From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 1 03:40:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k318ee8Z032763 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 03:40:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k318eqQY001392; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 03:40:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k318dwqM034238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 01:39:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k318dpTO040705; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 01:39:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k318dBBm040521 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 01:39:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB061668034C; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 08:34:14 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Clothes fitting Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 00:39:25 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c65567$c8760cd0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <72adc2660603311029m6c673652pf3d18a470037d29b@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO A friend of mine works at Levi and says they have MANY more sizes available, which you can try, and then they will tweak the closest fit for you and keep the info, so that whenever you want another pair, you just phone and have them sent. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Marie Stewart Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:30 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting Yeup... and I thought seriously about trying a pair... but in the end found another maker of jeans that fit - sigh - well enough, although I am always wanting the denim to be of a heavier weight. On 3/31/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > Mari, do you know of the custom fit jeans available from Levis? Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Marie Stewart > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:39 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting > > > Thank you for that article... very interesting. > > Now what the retailers are missing is the opportunity to expand, and > raise their sales. > > Imagine... A large chain adopts the Fitlogic system. Inside their > stores, they create separate boutiques, or even a small independent > entity. One for each body type. Stock the items that flatter that > body type the most in their respective sections. In larger chains you > could even have different stock for a particular body type in > different stores. If a customer finds something they like in one > section, but it is not their body type, allow them to order (or > request from another store) that item in the fit they want. This > wouldn't be anything revolutionary, major chains already swap > clothing around between stores. > > How many women would love to have a store that they knew the items > would be a better fit. You see it already, women have brand loyalty, > if a line provides better fit. > > Oooooh, just think about it... stores might actually have to sell > more items on style and quality if they took out the fit roulette. > > Mari - still irked that Banana Republic stopped making "the perfect > fitting jean" in 1992. > > >Clothes That Fit the Woman, Not the Store > > By MICHAEL BARBARO > > Published: March 31, 2006 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 1 09:55:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31EtuQw016050 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:55:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k31Eu8PA027125; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:56:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31EtThp085704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:55:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31EtSt8077424; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:55:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31E0fmN041738 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:00:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.297.880c720 (16099) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID113-3ee3442e877e3c6; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:00:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <000001c65567$c8760cd0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> References: <000001c65567$c8760cd0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:00:27 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:56:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442E9489.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k31EtuQw016050 Status: RO Sharon, That is great news! How do we go about fitting ourselves for the "MANY more sizes"? Who do we contact? Any idea of the cost? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 1, 2006, at 3:39 AM, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > A friend of mine works at Levi and says they have MANY more sizes > available, > which you can try, and then they will tweak the closest fit for you > and keep > the info, so that whenever you want another pair, you just phone and > have > them sent. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > Behalf Of Marie Stewart > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:30 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting > > > Yeup... and I thought seriously about trying a pair... but in the end > found > another maker of jeans that fit - sigh - well enough, although I am > always > wanting the denim to be of a heavier weight. > > On 3/31/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: >> Mari, do you know of the custom fit jeans available from Levis? Sharon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] >> On Behalf Of Marie Stewart >> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:39 AM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting >> >> >> Thank you for that article... very interesting. >> >> Now what the retailers are missing is the opportunity to expand, and >> raise their sales. >> >> Imagine... A large chain adopts the Fitlogic system. Inside their >> stores, they create separate boutiques, or even a small independent >> entity. One for each body type. Stock the items that flatter that >> body type the most in their respective sections. In larger chains you >> could even have different stock for a particular body type in >> different stores. If a customer finds something they like in one >> section, but it is not their body type, allow them to order (or >> request from another store) that item in the fit they want. This >> wouldn't be anything revolutionary, major chains already swap >> clothing around between stores. >> >> How many women would love to have a store that they knew the items >> would be a better fit. You see it already, women have brand loyalty, >> if a line provides better fit. >> >> Oooooh, just think about it... stores might actually have to sell >> more items on style and quality if they took out the fit roulette. >> >> Mari - still irked that Banana Republic stopped making "the perfect >> fitting jean" in 1992. >> >>> Clothes That Fit the Woman, Not the Store >>> By MICHAEL BARBARO >>> Published: March 31, 2006 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 1 11:08:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31G8j9C017367 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:08:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k31G8vVg020357; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:09:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31G8ZeD091274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:08:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31G8Vo5024078; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:08:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31G8AxR023910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:08:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:24355 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FPie6-0001u7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 10:08:14 -0600 Message-ID: <042e01c655a6$780a4970$e100a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <442D476E.20602@reddawn.net><7fde55ee665d4070cfe708855f643bda@aol.com> <442D6FC2.2060302@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] droolworthy victorian Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 10:08:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 11:09:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442EA599.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sigh, if only I had a horse! (And had ridden more recently than 16 or 17 years ago.) I can shoot and I can sew... -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 1 18:36:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31NajgX029296 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:36:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k31Nav0w016565; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:37:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31NaWKM036050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:36:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31NaG5T020181; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:36:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31NaC6k020025 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:36:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IX200E3AHJZ5ORW@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:36:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:35:55 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:37:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F0E99.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Though the article /link is still not available for some reason, this is something that I have dealt with MANY times in my fashion classes with my students. The problem is that many stores have a fit model and makes everything to fit that one person or dressform. The other problem is that there are economic considerations. Large sizes cost more to make and more time to sew. So, stores come up with an "image" that they work with in conjunction with their fit--- think of Abercrombie and Fitch. Where many stores or clothing lines start trying to service many sizes, but when it doesn't fit the image they drop the sizes. For instance, the Limited does not sell men's pants larger than size 36. It seems to me that there is an awfully large market for clothes for those of us who are not "perfect"... Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Susan Data-Samtak Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:57 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Fwd: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere << > From: "Marie Stewart" > Date: March 31, 2006 1:25:19 PM EST > To: "Susan Data-Samtak" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere > > Great Idea! Thank you! Mari > > On 3/31/06, Susan Data-Samtak wrote: >> I only replied to you. Shall I forward your reply to me, back to the >> list? >> >> We can start with articulate people who know sewing and fit, to get >> the >> ball rolling. >> >> Susan >> >> "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel >> too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark >> Trail" by Louis L'Amour >> >> On Mar 31, 2006, at 10:06 AM, Marie Stewart wrote: >> >>> That's an excellent question... Let me think about this a bit. >>> >>> Right off the top of my head I say Write to them. You know most of >>> the big chain department stores, Macy's, Hechts, Belk's, Ivy's, >>> Nordstrom's have websites. Let's write to them. Letters always >>> seem to carry more weight, but more people are willing to dash off a >>> 30 second email. >>> >>> Also, let's focus. If we scatter our efforts we dilute our impact. >>> Let's choose one or two chains that are densely packed regionally. >>> That will facilitate women getting to the stores, and the stores >>> swapping garments. Also, I would guess focus on the mid-range to >>> mid-upper range stores. Especially stores that cater to the >>> professional woman - Talbot's perhaps, or a similar chain. Stores >>> catering to the lower income people might not feel that their >>> clientel >>> want or value fit as much. >>> >>> Also, let's get more articles about this system - out there. >>> Magazines, web sites, newspaper articles. Letters to the editors. >>> The more people who know, the more women who value fit will be >>> interested in seeing this system implemented. >>> >>> Emphasize the time saving strategy of this way of shopping, not just >>> the better fit. Personal note... If I knew I could pick up 3 pairs >>> of >>> pants that I liked the look of and that they would fit, and not have >>> to try all three pairs on... you have just save me 10-15 minutes in >>> the dressing room. I have more time to shop. >>> >>> Stores follow the money, and the primary way the consumer makes an >>> impact is by withholding the money. >>> >>> Now that we know this system is out there... have people ask for it. >>> Word of mouth. Every time they walk into a store. "Where are the >>> FitLogic clothes?"... "Do you carry FitLogic clothes?" >>> >>> Educate the sales people, who will tell their managers, who will >>> tell >>> their supeervisors, who will talk to the director.... and up and >>> so >>> on. >>> >>> That's off the top of my head. Other ideas? >>> >>> On 3/31/06, Susan Data-Samtak wrote: >>>> So, Marie, how do we tell THEM how we feel? >>>> >>>> Susan >>>> >>>> "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel >>>> too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark >>>> Trail" by Louis L'Amour >>>> >>>> On Mar 31, 2006, at 9:39 AM, Marie Stewart wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you for that article... very interesting. >>>>> >>>>> Now what the retailers are missing is the opportunity to expand, >>>>> and >>>>> raise their sales. >>>>> >>>>> Imagine... A large chain adopts the Fitlogic system. Inside >>>>> their >>>>> stores, they create separate boutiques, or even a small >>>>> independent >>>>> entity. One for each body type. Stock the items that flatter that >>>>> body type the most in their respective sections. In larger chains >>>>> you >>>>> could even have different stock for a particular body type in >>>>> different stores. If a customer finds something they like in one >>>>> section, but it is not their body type, allow them to order (or >>>>> request from another store) that item in the fit they want. This >>>>> wouldn't be anything revolutionary, major chains already swap >>>>> clothing around between stores. >>>>> >>>>> How many women would love to have a store that they knew the items >>>>> would be a better fit. You see it already, women have brand >>>>> loyalty, >>>>> if a line provides better fit. >>>>> >>>>> Oooooh, just think about it... stores might actually have to sell >>>>> more items on style and quality if they took out the fit roulette. >>>>> >>>>> Mari - still irked that Banana Republic stopped making "the >>>>> perfect >>>>> fitting jean" in 1992. >>>>> >>>>>> Clothes That Fit the Woman, Not the Store >>>>>> By MICHAEL BARBARO >>>>>> Published: March 31, 2006 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> h-costume mailing list >>>>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>>> >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 1 18:46:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31Nk7vN029439 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:46:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k31NkK6J019278; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:46:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31Nk41Y036724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:46:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31Nk3D5027055; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:46:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31NjwiC026967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:46:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 3082 invoked by uid 507); 2 Apr 2006 09:45:56 +1000 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 09:45:56 +1000 Message-ID: <0e6701c655e6$624ab4e0$0202a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:45:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:46:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F10CC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You mean that somewhere in the world there's someone that might sell size 30 pants as standard? Both my husband and older son (and my younger son's heading that way) are this size, and they mostly have to end up in 32s with a belt (or in my 16yo's case, size 32 around his hips with his underpants showing, but that style can't be worn forever!) There are about one pair of size 30s here in a blue moon. We're heading off to the UK for a month in a week or so, I'm hoping they have some there. I've already got to go shopping for warm women's clothing (and jeans with a decent range of leg lengths) - Our midwinter averages are still 3-4 celcius above the UK Spring averages, and the local shops just don't have anything useful at all in their autumn collections. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 1 19:54:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k320s6j1031123 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:54:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k320sJMS011838; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:54:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k320rWwU044190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k320rJVa071337; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k320rG6x071239 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:53:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.250.91f38ab (16097) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-3ee1442f20717; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:53:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <042e01c655a6$780a4970$e100a8c0@compaqub> References: <442D476E.20602@reddawn.net><7fde55ee665d4070cfe708855f643bda@aol.com> <442D6FC2.2060302@reddawn.net> <042e01c655a6$780a4970$e100a8c0@compaqub> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] droolworthy victorian Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:53:04 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:54:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F20BB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k320s6j1031123 Status: RO You don't need a horse. This is Action Shooting, not Mounted Shooting.Go for it! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 1, 2006, at 11:08 AM, E House wrote: > Sigh, if only I had a horse! (And had ridden more recently than 16 or > 17 years ago.) I can shoot and I can sew... > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 1 20:17:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k321HkKA031310 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:17:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k321HxwR019963; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:18:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k321HiNk046899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:17:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k321Hhrg086812; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:17:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k321HdwO086735 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IX2009MEM9AVR8P@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.34] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.63.71]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:17:34 -0500 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:17:34 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: RE: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:18:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F2647.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I quite agree - I am a very strange shaped person, the upper half of my body can fit in a boys 18-20 fairly well, the lower half needs a ladies 10 short rise 32" inseam (or a Petite sz 10 with extra leg length). I need boy's shirts because they have 4 extra inches in the torso, 3 extra inches across the shoulders, and 2" longer sleeve length. The distance from my hip bone to my natural waist is only 3" - most comercially made jeans have a 5-6" distance. And I won't tell you about my scooped back, protrouding tummy, and extra long torso. BTW I am a 40 yr old 5' 6" woman!!! Once I joined the SCA I found out that I have the skills to create simple dresses made to *MY* measurements. Too bad I can't find anything off-the-rack to fit me.... If anyone can tell me where to find cheap jeans for a men's 48x30 I would apopreciate it. Katheryne From: monica spence The problem is that many stores have a fit model and makes everything to fit that one person or dressform. Where many stores or clothing lines start trying to service many sizes, but when it doesn't fit the image they drop the sizes. For instance, the Limited does not sell men's pants larger than size 36. It seems to me that there is an awfully large market for clothes for those of us who are not "perfect"... Monica Spence _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 1 21:45:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k322jDBZ000425 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:45:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k322jQvb017736; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:45:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k322j1YN054180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:45:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k322isos042222; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:44:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k322ipVP042144 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:44:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.249.9ae585b (15703) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:44:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID54-3d57442f3a99326; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:44:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <0e6701c655e6$624ab4e0$0202a8c0@mycomputer> References: <0e6701c655e6$624ab4e0$0202a8c0@mycomputer> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:44:40 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:45:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F3AC6.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k322jDBZ000425 Status: RO An observation that I thought interesting- We live in NJ. It is easy to find inseam lengths for men that are 36 inches. VERY difficult to find 28 or 30 inch inseams. Years ago, we took a vacation to Hawaii. We stopped by the Alamoana Mall's Sears store. Lo and behold- LOTS of 28 inseam men's pants! My husband says it's time to go back! He needs more 28 inseam pants. We think that many of the Oriental men are short, so Sears stocks inseams that they can actually SELL to their clients. WHat do you think? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 1, 2006, at 6:45 PM, Glenda Robinson wrote: > You mean that somewhere in the world there's someone that might sell > size 30 pants as standard? Both my husband and older son (and my > younger son's heading that way) are this size, and they mostly have to > end up in 32s with a belt (or in my 16yo's case, size 32 around his > hips with his underpants showing, but that style can't be worn > forever!) There are about one pair of size 30s here in a blue moon. > > We're heading off to the UK for a month in a week or so, I'm hoping > they have some there. I've already got to go shopping for warm women's > clothing (and jeans with a decent range of leg lengths) - Our > midwinter averages are still 3-4 celcius above the UK Spring averages, > and the local shops just don't have anything useful at all in their > autumn collections. > > Glenda. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 01:02:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3262VFZ003365 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:02:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3262iOC022326; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:02:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3262Gmu069938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:02:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3262BAD063897; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:02:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32626gp063862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:02:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-221-52-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.221.52]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k32623ZT013972 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 16:02:05 +1000 Message-ID: <000501c6561a$f7f9a7b0$34ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 16:02:03 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:02:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F6904.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi everyone, I'm helping a friend to fit an early 16th century Venetian bodice (what's often referred to as the 'Italian ren' style) and I want it to support her bust without a bra so I'm basically working from Robin's worksheets to get an idea of how to do that (though it's obviously somewhat different to suit the different style of bodice). My question is about the point after the lining is fitted and you've now got a shape you can trace to cut a second layer, or even a new bodice. If you're tracing that shape onto a piece of paper (so you don't have to go through the fitting process again next time) do you have to wait a while for the fabric to shrink back into it's normal cold shape or can you trace the pieces as soon as you take it off? I also thought that maybe you need to take it a step further and put it through the wash (after finishing the edges of course) to get it back to it's normal size. I've made this style of bodice for myself but I forgot to trace my final pieces onto a paper pattern to re-use them later so this wasn't an issue. thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 01:36:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k326a82G003812 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:36:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k326aLLh000438; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:36:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k326a6er071596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:36:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k326a49a082755; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:36:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k326a1L2082724 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:36:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AFA8E70506; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:31:04 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 22:36:00 -0800 Message-ID: <003401c6561f$b5646bb0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k326a1L2082724 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:36:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F70E5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Phone Sears and ask them to send shorter jeans to your local store. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Data-Samtak Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 6:45 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere An observation that I thought interesting- We live in NJ. It is easy to find inseam lengths for men that are 36 inches. VERY difficult to find 28 or 30 inch inseams. Years ago, we took a vacation to Hawaii. We stopped by the Alamoana Mall's Sears store. Lo and behold- LOTS of 28 inseam men's pants! My husband says it's time to go back! He needs more 28 inseam pants. We think that many of the Oriental men are short, so Sears stocks inseams that they can actually SELL to their clients. WHat do you think? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 1, 2006, at 6:45 PM, Glenda Robinson wrote: > You mean that somewhere in the world there's someone that might sell > size 30 pants as standard? Both my husband and older son (and my > younger son's heading that way) are this size, and they mostly have to > end up in 32s with a belt (or in my 16yo's case, size 32 around his > hips with his underpants showing, but that style can't be worn > forever!) There are about one pair of size 30s here in a blue moon. > > We're heading off to the UK for a month in a week or so, I'm hoping > they have some there. I've already got to go shopping for warm women's > clothing (and jeans with a decent range of leg lengths) - Our > midwinter averages are still 3-4 celcius above the UK Spring averages, > and the local shops just don't have anything useful at all in their > autumn collections. > > Glenda. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 01:38:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k326cFO2003848 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:38:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k326cSnP006174; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:38:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k326cHA2071736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:38:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k326cH4I084037; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:38:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k326cD1x083942 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:38:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11651 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:10:51 -0600 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:10:50 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper In-Reply-To: <000501c6561a$f7f9a7b0$34ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:38:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F7164.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sun, 2 Apr 2006, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > ... My question is about the point after the lining is fitted and > you've now got a shape you can trace to cut a second layer, or even a > new bodice. If you're tracing that shape onto a piece of paper (so you > don't have to go through the fitting process again next time) do you > have to wait a while for the fabric to shrink back into it's normal > cold shape or can you trace the pieces as soon as you take it off? I can't help you there, as I never transfer to paper. I keep the original linen pieces. When I use them as a template, I iron them out and straighten out the grain lines, and match them to the grain lines on the new fabric. I think I generally distrust the ability of paper to capture the nuances of what fabric does; if you're off a little bit when you trace (because of the fabric being a bit warped, stretched whatever) that's what gets preserved on the paper, and you lose the information of grain lines. I scribble all over my templates with a sharpie, labeling pieces, marking waist and hip, etc. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 03:34:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k327Y08Q004643 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 03:34:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k327YDOT018159; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 03:34:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k327XJDw076319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:33:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k327XFl0014914; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:33:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k327X8D7014793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:33:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-221-52-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.221.52]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k327X6RZ020514 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 17:33:07 +1000 Message-ID: <002b01c65627$afa09d90$34ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 17:33:06 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 03:34:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F7E75.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I can't help you there, as I never transfer to paper. I keep the original > linen pieces. When I use them as a template, I iron them out and > straighten out the grain lines, and match them to the grain lines on the > new fabric. > --Robin Gee, that was fast. But if you're using the pieces that you've fitted as the lining of your final dress then you've just lost your pattern and you've got to start the fitting process again from scratch next time you want to recreate that dress. Re-doing it from scratch makes sense from a medieval point of view when you've got a household/neighbourhood full of women who all know how to sew and how to do this sort of fitting (especially given the cost of paper). But in a modern re-enactor's world where it's often hard to find somebody who knows how to sew & is willing to try this unfamiliar technique it makes sense to have something that is almost right and requires only the sort of minor fitting that you can get a non-sewer or a modern only sewer to do for you while you give them instructions. Or are you suggesting that you keep the original pieces permanently instead of using them as a lining? I'll pass on your ideas on ironing the pieces to straighten out the grain lines. thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 09:05:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32D5QCk022282 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:05:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32D5d2R008299; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:05:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32D54kh026392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:05:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32D4xwo000582; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:04:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32D4uHa000510 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:04:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.246.9bfbd2d (15886) for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e442fcbee108; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:04:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <003401c6561f$b5646bb0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> References: <003401c6561f$b5646bb0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Message-Id: <4dde411f81b0ce2ebfa6538a758ef94b@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:04:44 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:05:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442FCC23.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k32D5QCk022282 Status: RO Thanks. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 2, 2006, at 1:36 AM, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > Phone Sears and ask them to send shorter jeans to your local store. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > Behalf Of Susan Data-Samtak > Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 6:45 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere > > > An observation that I thought interesting- We live in NJ. It is easy > to find inseam lengths for men that are 36 inches. VERY difficult to > find 28 or 30 inch inseams. Years ago, we took a vacation to Hawaii. > We stopped by the Alamoana Mall's Sears store. Lo and behold- LOTS of > 28 inseam men's pants! My husband says it's time to go back! He needs > more 28 inseam pants. > > We think that many of the Oriental men are short, so Sears stocks > inseams that they can actually SELL to their clients. WHat do you > think? > > Susan > > "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel > too > fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" > by > Louis L'Amour > > On Apr 1, 2006, at 6:45 PM, Glenda Robinson wrote: > >> You mean that somewhere in the world there's someone that might sell >> size 30 pants as standard? Both my husband and older son (and my >> younger son's heading that way) are this size, and they mostly have to >> end up in 32s with a belt (or in my 16yo's case, size 32 around his >> hips with his underpants showing, but that style can't be worn >> forever!) There are about one pair of size 30s here in a blue moon. >> >> We're heading off to the UK for a month in a week or so, I'm hoping >> they have some there. I've already got to go shopping for warm women's >> clothing (and jeans with a decent range of leg lengths) - Our >> midwinter averages are still 3-4 celcius above the UK Spring averages, >> and the local shops just don't have anything useful at all in their >> autumn collections. >> >> Glenda. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 09:30:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32DUTfP022676 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:30:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32DUhW3016280; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:30:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32DUSBW028580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:30:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32DURP7014737; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:30:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k32DUNbj014612 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:30:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCC9WRGAURW8R2 for (sender ); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 06:30:14 -0700 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LLX3SYA3; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:30:06 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 06:29:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20060402.062946.3084.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,6-7,12-16 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 4:6:2423904214 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgtlAnYYoyFtbdIFJjlW7Jdo= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Netherton lectures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:30:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442FD203.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Welcome back, Robin! Thanks again for coming to our neck of the woods and presenting a fascinating and inspiring lecture series. :-) One of the ladies in my music group is now working on a Gothic fitted dress for herself and a friend, and hopes to outfit all of us in Musica Draconis, our local women's consort. I'm tickled to pieces to know how to finally correctly construct a sideless surcoat! :D Even for a non-costumer like myself, this series is great! It's wonderful to gain not only construction information but contextual insights into clothing. There was a lot of stuff which never quite made sense before and does now. You're an excellent researcher and presenter--keep up the good work! :-) Arlys in Dragon's Mist _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 10:20:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EKQUl023323 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:20:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32EKdRQ000799; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:20:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EKKjT032140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:20:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EKIeI043629; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EKFF7043606 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:20:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 9so1437443nzo for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:20:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=YXGW/Gz3g7rk2cijLvPhv0OsHSt0HVPjX8hhV33hCvBMCLVA0UXvpoFpJlKAo6bPa81rpMrq8V1Q6OLJMQSEe/UZBmD6yl7x/XFK/X9Vbyxp0I4SczQArhei+fEblbJq2+QpDEgwvM2bwUOHPAWXIqK9FqLVtJNm725jr3lAUQs= Received: by 10.35.109.2 with SMTP id l2mr722288pym; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.18.8 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070604020720t4c744c66w459174469ffae03c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:20:15 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k32EKFF7043606 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] regency dress closures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 10:20:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442FDDB7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO An early 19th c. simple day dress just finished on ebay which shows the bodice lining and the overlayer with drawstring waist, might shed some light on dress closures. No visible hooks or anything. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8400391523&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT Katy -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 10:39:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EdmSD023600 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:39:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32Ee1c7007438; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:40:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EdZPh033866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:39:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EdYXi055853; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EdVvn055767 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:39:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AA9A663D for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:39:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <442FE237.80507@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:39:51 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere References: <0e6701c655e6$624ab4e0$0202a8c0@mycomputer> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 10:40:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442FE241.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > > We think that many of the Oriental men are short, so Sears stocks > inseams that they can actually SELL to their clients. WHat do you think? > I think there are lots of size 28 people where you live and not in Hawaii. Thus, that size is always sold out. At least that's how it works when I need pants. We should definitely go to Hawaii to confirm this theory though. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 10:49:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32En6Kd023719 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:49:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32EnJdB011103; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:49:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32En3la034525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:49:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32En1GN061657; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:49:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EmwIV061589 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:49:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m35.in-tch.com [216.166.191.35]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k32EdoA05764 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000601c65665$9849d920$23bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c6561a$f7f9a7b0$34ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:56:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 10:49:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442FE46F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO For my ItalianRen bodices, I just made them extra snug, and they held me up just fine (and I'm a BIG girl, that way). I've never used a fragile fabric, though (usually cotton or linen, as they were intended for summer/camping use), and always did a good, sturdy interlining, often with a heavy-weight linen. On my linen gowns, I did lace into them, wait for the fabric to warm up, and then pull them snug, but that was about it.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 12:02 AM Subject: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper > Hi everyone, > I'm helping a friend to fit an early 16th century Venetian bodice (what's > often referred to as the 'Italian ren' style) and I want it to support her > bust without a bra so I'm basically working from Robin's worksheets to get > an idea of how to do that (though it's obviously somewhat different to suit > the different style of bodice). My question is about the point after the > lining is fitted and you've now got a shape you can trace to cut a second > layer, or even a new bodice. If you're tracing that shape onto a piece of > paper (so you don't have to go through the fitting process again next time) > do you have to wait a while for the fabric to shrink back into it's normal > cold shape or can you trace the pieces as soon as you take it off? I also > thought that maybe you need to take it a step further and put it through the > wash (after finishing the edges of course) to get it back to it's normal > size. > I've made this style of bodice for myself but I forgot to trace my final > pieces onto a paper pattern to re-use them later so this wasn't an issue. > thanks > Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 10:51:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EpI2c023759 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:51:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32EpW4p002829; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:51:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EpGPa034640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EpGfo063072; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51302.mail.yahoo.com (web51302.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.168]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k32EpD1x062971 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 7800 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 2006 14:51:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Xyq2EB/HiOItA0w1qupk1tP8wbtrADCallfEogn/1xyOsFiktHUozVf9zaIhKpSzFwtI4vRUF/wLGaO25bedUyWDNDbi4qTx6BVKB7w+z+hWWqwk46fne3lypu6G2xLHPxBfDM/N+viSW+jYGjK6Ow8XCsFWa/+MKpG+TIvo25w= ; Message-ID: <20060402145106.7798.qmail@web51302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.135.74] by web51302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:51:06 PDT Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:51:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] regency dress closures To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3586f5070604020720t4c744c66w459174469ffae03c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 10:51:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442FE4F4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks, Katy, That is a neat dress. Ann in CT --- Katy Bishop wrote: > An early 19th c. simple day dress just finished on > ebay which shows the bodice lining and the overlayer > with drawstring waist, might shed some light on dress > closures. No visible hooks or anything. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8400391523&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT > > Katy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 11:08:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32F8sMH023991 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:08:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32F97IZ019036; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:09:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32F8p6J036250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:08:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32F8n6k073937; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:08:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32F8j0u073894 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:08:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m35.in-tch.com [216.166.191.35]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k32ExbA09220 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:59:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002401c65668$5c0d4980$23bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002b01c65627$afa09d90$34ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:16:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:09:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442FE913.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That's what I did with my "shell" pieces (made from heavy-weight linen) from a workshop Robin held a few years back....Sort of a compromise between doing-it-from-scratch and having an actual pattern. Got the notes scribbled on it, etc. Unfortunately, I put it "somewhere safe" when I moved, and now it's gone AWOL....grrrrrr..... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper > > Or are you suggesting that you keep the original pieces permanently instead > of using them as a lining? > I'll pass on your ideas on ironing the pieces to straighten out the grain > lines. > thanks > Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 12:47:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32GlD5o025826 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:47:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32GlPee021771; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:47:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32Gl1Qn047046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32GkvOF037904; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:46:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32Gkqd6037829 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16149 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:19:35 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:19:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper In-Reply-To: <002b01c65627$afa09d90$34ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 12:47:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4430001E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I wrote: > > I can't help you there, as I never transfer to paper. I keep the original > > linen pieces. When I use them as a template, I iron them out and > > straighten out the grain lines, and match them to the grain lines on the > > new fabric. Elizabeth replied: > But if you're using the pieces that you've fitted as the lining of > your final dress then you've just lost your pattern and you've got to > start the fitting process again from scratch next time you want to > recreate that dress. If I intend to make only one dress for a person, I cut and fit the lining, and it goes into the dress, and that's that. If I intend to make more than one dress, I fit a linen template using the same sort of fabric as the lining. I fit with panels that go about to mid-thigh (long enough to fit all the necessary bits, and to mark the angle of flare on the pieces for purposes of cutting out full-length ones later). I use these then as a guide to cutting a full-length lining, which I can then assemble and tweak, and in turn use that to cut the outer fabric. Note that the template is not a pattern -- it's a starting point, and you have to check (and if necessary adjust) the fit on everything you cut based on it. You can use a full dress as a starting point as well, though it's not as convenient. > Re-doing it from scratch makes sense from a medieval point of view > when you've got a household/neighbourhood full of women who all know > how to sew and how to do this sort of fitting (especially given the > cost of paper). But in a modern re-enactor's world where it's often > hard to find somebody who knows how to sew & is willing to try this > unfamiliar technique it makes sense to have something that is almost > right and requires only the sort of minor fitting that you can get a > non-sewer or a modern only sewer to do for you while you give them > instructions. Yes, this is one of many differences between our situation and that of the medieval woman. If this was simply "the way clothes were made," it would have been a standard approach that everyone who sewed had experience with. A modern re-enactor learns many techniques for different styles/periods -- but the medieval person lived in one place and time and would learn only the methods that were common at that place and time. When you do it a lot, you get really quite good at it. When I'm not teaching, I can do a fitting pretty quickly, because I can make a lot of the fitting decisions by sight and feel, skipping some of the preliminary steps that I have to teach to someone who is not so experienced. (Think of the stories of Korean or Vietnamese tailors who can look at you when you walk in the shop, and then produce a suit that fits you a week later.) Consider also: Most medieval women would not have had more than one fitted gown, so there would not be the issue of needing to reproduce the dress many times. For a second dress or a replacement, you would use your old one as your model. If you had changed size or shape, you could probably guess at the adjustment based on what you had originally. Or (say in the case of a growing girl who's just developed a new figure) you could try on dresses belonging to sisters, cousins, or friends till you found one close to your size, and adjust that as necessary. In other words, the use of the template is a modern solution to a modern problem of "I want lots of these dresses." It preserves most of the benefits of on-the-body fitting without turning it into a modern paper-pattern approach. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 13:00:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32H07HM026214 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:00:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32H0KEI026401; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:00:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32H00fR049622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:00:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32GxwQm049224; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:59:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32Gxsdk049126 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:59:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16285 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:32:40 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:32:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Netherton lectures In-Reply-To: <20060402.062946.3084.3.Cley@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:00:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44300324.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sun, 2 Apr 2006, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > Welcome back, Robin! Thanks again for coming to our neck of the woods > and presenting a fascinating and inspiring lecture series. :-) I have to say the Portland area produced an incredible audience. There was a lot of energy and excitement in that room, and I had a blast :-) > Even for a non-costumer like myself... You've been on h-cost so long, it astonished me when you told me you don't sew. > this series is great! It's wonderful to gain not only construction > information but contextual insights into clothing. There was a lot of > stuff which never quite made sense before and does now. You're an > excellent researcher and presenter--keep up the good work! :-) It should be obvious by now that my lectures are really all just "research methods" classes in disguise. Talking about sewing the clothing is a very minor part of them -- it's all about looking at art, documents, artifacts, etc. to determine social context, aesthetic sensibility, and development of a style. The mechanics are only one small part of that understanding. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 13:09:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32H9mpA026423 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:09:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32H9xoO029715; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:10:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32H9kHm050413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32H9jQV055872; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32H9fcX055756 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:09:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.20e.149446f6 (2612) for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:09:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <20e.149446f6.31615f41@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:09:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] droolworthy victorian To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:10:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44300567.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 3/31/2006 1:17:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pasovasz@aol.com writes: My husband can shoot off his back. *********************************** If he does that, where will you put the saddle??? Badda bing! sorry....I couldn't resist. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 14:40:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32IeImD027784 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 14:40:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32IeVPG031923; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 14:40:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32Ie92P059517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:40:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32Ie7EB015523; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:40:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32Ie3wF015490 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:40:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lherr@rightwaybusiness.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.111.172.120]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IX300FTBYIMEC73@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:40:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:39:58 -0700 From: Lorraine Herr To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-id: <44301A7E.9080605@rightwaybusiness.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) Subject: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 14:40:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44301A9F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Robin and all, The most recent bits about creating linen "template" pieces is extremely helpful. I am the lady Arlys referred to (digest 310, message 11) who is making all those GFDs..... I recently wrote you and Tasha personally with some fit questions which your most recent post here has answered beautifully. Thank you! And may I echo Arlys's remarks regarding your lecture last weekend! It was truly inspiring! (Enough to inspire 7 GFDs on assorted body shapes and sizes- ;-) ) The only thing I still need some advice on is the shape of the front and rear gores. There seems to be some issues with bias to bias seams and the possibility of these stretching. If anyone has any thoughts on this matter, I would be grateful to hear them BEFORE I get too far on all 7 of these GFDs. Obviously, each dress will have its own unique shape of gores, panels, etc., but I am curious as to whether the center front and rear gores are symmetrical or "right angle" shaped. Thanks! Laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 15:59:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32Jx20D000621 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:59:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32JxEVo030610; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:59:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32JwYUd065956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:58:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32JwUO2067137; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:58:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32JwQot067083 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:58:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17905; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:31:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:31:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. In-Reply-To: <44301A7E.9080605@rightwaybusiness.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 15:59:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44302D12.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sun, 2 Apr 2006, Lorraine Herr wrote: > I recently wrote you and Tasha personally with some fit questions > which your most recent post here has answered beautifully ... Sorry I haven't caught up on all my personal e-mail -- I'm way snowed under. Quick notes to the list are easy to knock off, but your gores question required a longer answer, so I hadn't gotten to it yet. But since you have asked again on the list, I'll answer on the list, picking up parts of your earlier message so I get it all. > The only thing I still need some advice on is the shape of the front > and rear gores. There seems to be some issues with bias to bias seams > and the possibility of these stretching. OK. First off, it seems that a lot of people have gotten the idea that bias should ideally be placed next to straight grain. Some of this has no doubt come from some comments made in various costume books about the Greenland gowns, for example in the Museum of London book, which refers to "some seams on the straight grain of the fabric and others on a partial bias." It adds, "The justaposition of bias and straight edges would give an elegant movement to the garment in wear." There are several problems with using this as the basis of a "bias to straight" rule. To begin with, it's not clear from the statement that the author means bias meets straight on a single seam -- it sounds more like the author is saying some seams are straight/straight and some are on a slight slant ("partial bias") -- which makes sense given that the narrowness of the panels in this dress mean that the slant is only about 15 degrees -- nowhere near true "bias." However, it is true that at least some of the seams in this dress are slant-to-stright, for the simple mathematical fact that of the 32 edges that meet in the 16 seams, 20 are on the straight and 12 are on a slant. So not all of the seams can be evenly matched. This does not mean, however, that it's desirable to mix edges when you don't have to. The third problem, of course, is that this is a dress from Greenland, and anyone who's heard me talk about this knows that it doesn't have a whole lot of relevance for the construction of the GFD. So, let's drop the unsupported assumption that "medieval people preferred to put bias against grain." As far as I'm concerned, there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with putting bias to bias in the 14th and 15th centuries. (This probably changed by the 16th c. and different needs involved in skirt construction.) In fact I prefer to match grain angles, because I want the two sides of the seam to drape equally. When you put slant against straight, you run the risk of the slanted side sagging against the seam -- very unattractive. And in the GFD, you can choose to place those stretchable seams where you want the dress to mold over curves -- say, over the sides of the waist and hips. Putting a straight grain there prevents the fabric from stretching and adapting -- remember what I said in the lecture about using stretch as a tool and not trying to prevent it. Sure, some of the hem will sag. So let the dress hang overnight and try it on, and mark the hem. And when you do, on your first pass, mark the saggy bits a little long. Then cut it off and check it, and trim more only if you need. Sometimes the weight of the fabric before the hem is cut stretches the length out a bit, and you don't want it to spring back too far once you've cut off the excess. > I am curious as to whether the center front and rear gores are > symmetrical or "right angle" shaped. Remember that you want two gores in the center front, and two in the center back. Add the gore to the panel, and then treat the resulting piece as one large flared panel, as though the seam that attaches gore-to-panel is now invisible. This leaves a single long seam down the center front; you'll be putting eyelets down that front center, and some of those eyelets will fall in the gore portion. Your side gores can be singles or pairs. If you happen to create your gores by folding a piece vertically and cutting a single diagonal, you'll get one double-size isoceles triangle that's on the fold, and two right triangles that are the remaining pieces. You can use the right triangles as the center front gores and the isoceles triangle as a side gore. Then repeat to create the two back gores and the larger single gore for the other side. Going back to your earlier note to me for anything I've missed so far (I'm hoping you won't mind if I repeat this in public even though it came in a private e-mail!): > Re: the gores. Looking at some of the line drawings on some of the web > sites, it looks as if the body pattern pieces flare out at the side > seams to begin to produce the beautiful flared skirt. So, > * Is there a gore that is INSET into that side seam in addition to > the flared out front and back panels? In my case, typically the gore is part of what creates that flared piece. You can also flare the body piece if you like, but I like to put the straight grain of the gore against the straight of the body panel, in essence extending the fabric and maintaining the grain structure across the seam. But I've done it lots of ways. In any case, the flare typically starts in the body panel and shoots right off the edge of that panel, which is where the gore takes over to supply more width to the piece. And I think I've answered the rest of your questions already. Hope this helps, Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 20:41:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k330fi1o006180 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:41:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k330fvtA029697; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:42:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k330fQXP094011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:41:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k330fDt1045850; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:41:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k330f43A045684 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:41:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.194]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060403004057.DRVQ9053.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 12:40:57 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.186.105]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060403004057.XDCW18193.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 12:40:57 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.385 [268.3.4/299]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 12:41:03 +1200 Message-ID: <002f01c656b7$493f58d0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 12:41:03 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:42:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44306F55.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > So, let's drop the unsupported assumption that "medieval people preferred > to put bias against grain." As far as I'm concerned, there's ABSOLUTELY > NOTHING WRONG with putting bias to bias in the 14th and 15th centuries. Wasn't the golden gown made from four shaped pieces? The side seams at least were cut on a slope. While it too is from rather far north in Europe it does show there was at least one gown that was cut with the sides on angles. Regardless of how fitted it was, there will still be the same stretching on those skirt seams. > (This probably changed by the 16th c. and different needs involved in > skirt construction.) While there are other different needs for tairloring in general, none of the skirts in PoF or the Alcega book bother about straight to bias. The only instances where this happens seems to be in shirt construction and the farthingale pattern of Alcega. In the shirt patterns I can see why it's helpful. Difficult to explain though;) Basically helpful in cutting without waste and getting an even hem. What you do see is a lot of piecing straight to straight to extend pieces (and then smaller pieces cut from whatever fabric is there) but the skirt shapes are generally cut on a slant at the sides so you get slant to slant in the side seams. Straight to straight usually in the back seams (or the back is cut on the fold etc.) I've never had a problem with the stretching of those seams. If I have a train it's often not noticeable if the seams stretch a bit and if I've got a skirt that clears the ground then I will leave it to hang for a while and clip it to shape after. Usually I have fabrics that are woven firmly enough so as not to worry. Later 19thC skirts through often go straight to slant. I suspect this has a lot to do with aesthetic appeal as you can see it looks neater when you have stripes;) There is a perfect example of it in PoF 2 of the early 1870s. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 31/03/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 20:58:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k330wj8x007600 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:58:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k330wwQm002988; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:59:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k330whIG097012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:58:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k330wgKd056943; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:58:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k330wdhb056751 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:58:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEC23B624 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:58:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:59:04 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] lace question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:59:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44307352.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? www.reddawn.net/temp/lace.jpg I looked in my book on the history of lace, but all the pictures started to look alike to me. :( Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 21:06:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3316eFE008911 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:06:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3316riB005670; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:06:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3316aci098145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:06:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3316Z4v062364; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:06:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav8.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3316SAJ062281 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:06:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:06:28 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:06:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002f01c656b7$493f58d0$0301010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:06:23 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2006 01:06:28.0544 (UTC) FILETIME=[D645C400:01C656BA] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:06:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4430752D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Actually, by putting bias to straight in the mid 19thC they created a hoop that would balance itself, and a skirt that would flow away from the legs when walking. Pretty cool. A lot of our modern clothing construction method were developed in the 19thC. Some seriously inovative cutting to upholster the body. Kelly > Later 19thC skirts through often go straight to slant. I suspect this has > a > lot to do with aesthetic appeal as you can see it looks neater when you > have > stripes;) There is a perfect example of it in PoF 2 of the early 1870s. > > michaela de bruce > http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 21:17:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k331HbGO009465 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:17:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k331HoPR009879; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:17:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k331HUeO099114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:17:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k331HTDt068753; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:17:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.225]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k331HRCL068734 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:17:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from msberard@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so902287wra for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:17:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RPi4753Z81uOpR3igabC4lGtrJPdxIDWTPtUzcJ3s2zWo+TPMfqTRm+8V/VZsHzCmwEy426rGsl0dYX7MUJYzRlqJ/aDHquB9InxB8QufG+QlIaBFd/1t5628PdANiNrDAm9jKMOiAGgO50S8osrhBXmQDiFmrL4gSpiqsUFPnM= Received: by 10.54.109.6 with SMTP id h6mr2432003wrc; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.128.7 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:17:27 -0500 From: "Onaree Berard" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k331HRCL068734 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: lace question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:17:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 443077BE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Not enough detail to know for sure. Did you scan this? If so could you scan a very small section at a high res (like 200-250) so that we could see the path the the thread(s) take. I could tell if I know how the threads are moving. Onaree On 4/2/06, Dawn wrote: > Can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? > > www.reddawn.net/temp/lace.jpg > > > I looked in my book on the history of lace, but all the pictures started > to look alike to me. :( > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 22:20:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k332KEab011278 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:20:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k332KRBw032277; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:20:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k332K5ab005392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:20:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k332K20K008171; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:20:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k332JwGt008101 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:20:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5244020474; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 02:15:00 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:19:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c656c5$1a579010$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k332JwGt008101 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:20:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4430866B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Please excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean "creates a hoop"? How? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of kelly grant Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:06 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. Actually, by putting bias to straight in the mid 19thC they created a hoop that would balance itself, and a skirt that would flow away from the legs when walking. Pretty cool. A lot of our modern clothing construction method were developed in the 19thC. Some seriously inovative cutting to upholster the body. Kelly > Later 19thC skirts through often go straight to slant. I suspect this > has > a > lot to do with aesthetic appeal as you can see it looks neater when you > have > stripes;) There is a perfect example of it in PoF 2 of the early 1870s. > > michaela de bruce > http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 23:27:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333RlsZ012265 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:27:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k333S0ON023995; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:28:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333RFL0012313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:27:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333RBRP049996; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:27:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k331VQsU077344 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4CDA684C for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:31:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44307B09.8070906@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:31:53 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: lace question References: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:28:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44309640.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Onaree Berard wrote: > Not enough detail to know for sure. > > Did you scan this? > > If so could you scan a very small section at a high res (like 200-250) > so that we could see the path the the thread(s) take. > > I could tell if I know how the threads are moving. > It's a photo. There's a 1600x1200 (450k) image at www.reddawn.net/temp/biglace.jpg Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 23:36:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333aRIY012374 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:36:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k333aeTb027351; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:36:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333aSoU013140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333aR8M055899; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mail.arcomputers.net [216.106.88.20] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333aL3E055805 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D39E537FD3 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:36:20 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: lace question Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:36:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:36:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44309848.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Possibly Milanese http://www.gulliver-pp.com/pages/milanese-pix.htm or Irish crochet http://www.irishlacemuseum.com/Museum/Crochetpg.html http://lacismuseum.org/exhibit/Irish%20Crochet%20Lace.pdf http://www.mendes.co.uk/19thc.lace.html#IRISH%20%20CROCHET De -----Original Message----- On 4/2/06, Dawn wrote: > Can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? > > www.reddawn.net/temp/lace.jpg > > > I looked in my book on the history of lace, but all the pictures started > to look alike to me. :( > > > > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 23:54:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333sYRA012593 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:54:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k333sltl001659; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:54:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333sSMo014755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:54:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333sQJE067063; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:54:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333sNJX067042 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:54:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from msberard@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so916009wra for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:54:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Thk3qK66Bs3vJMhLwx/lM0J1358bqGFFiA47b9FToEKqGs2zAb8QRCKIgsVlvTXPfoxIYxjDaeOe5ub+EElMOF2Wt7ZdzGL504T3PydG8ljIGA5gsMD/CiudtT7um7RwbpcifRGHU0kob87N8EE9nwJd18FtKKL4I+PWR0mZyDw= Received: by 10.54.150.3 with SMTP id x3mr2527577wrd; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.128.7 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:54:22 -0500 From: "Onaree Berard" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k333sNJX067042 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: lace question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:54:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44309C87.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Not irish crochet, looks like some form crochet or possibly bobbin lace. The type of ground and tallys are commonly seen in bobbin lace, but crochet has been used to copy every type of lace known so that wouldn't rule out crochet. I'm favouring crochet as it looks like round motifs joined together, and the tally's (diamond shaped leaves) don't look woven as you would see in bobbin lace. They look more like they were done in two rounds. But the 'starburst' centres, for lack of a better term, look strange and I can't figure out how they were done. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Usually I can at least figure out what type of technique. Onaree On 4/2/06, otsisto wrote: > Possibly Milanese > http://www.gulliver-pp.com/pages/milanese-pix.htm > or > Irish crochet > http://www.irishlacemuseum.com/Museum/Crochetpg.html > http://lacismuseum.org/exhibit/Irish%20Crochet%20Lace.pdf > http://www.mendes.co.uk/19thc.lace.html#IRISH%20%20CROCHET > > De > > -----Original Message----- > On 4/2/06, Dawn wrote: > > Can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? > > > > www.reddawn.net/temp/lace.jpg > > > > > > I looked in my book on the history of lace, but all the pictures started > > to look alike to me. :( > > > > > > > > Dawn -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 01:39:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k335dJFR014063 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 01:39:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k335dWMn003013; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 01:39:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k335d5a5025843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:39:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k335d2nY035277; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:39:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k335cxxo035221 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:39:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCDBPGTAXQNHRA for (sender ); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:38:25 -0700 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LLZS6S3N; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:37:45 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:26:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Netherton lectures Message-ID: <20060402.223727.1528.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,6-7,10-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 8:4:1547215089 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgkq03jhAuPlt8Ixnn9pKLCU= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:39:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4430B514.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > You've been on h-cost so long, it astonished me when you told me you > don't sew. I made the mistake of being a female and a Laurel (music stuff). Getting constantly bombarded with costuming questions made me determined to learn as much about it as possible without sewing which I don't have time for--see aforementioned music stuff. ;) The historian and researcher in me wants to know and understand both conceptual and practical approaches. I've learned a lot from a number of Ithra classes and tons of good info from this list. :-) > It should be obvious by now that my lectures are really all just > "research > methods" classes in disguise. Talking about sewing the clothing is a > very > minor part of them -- it's all about looking at art, documents, > artifacts, > etc. to determine social context, aesthetic sensibility, and > development > of a style. The mechanics are only one small part of that > understanding. You're singing my song, Sister! :-) Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 06:32:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33AW8xF001357 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:32:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33AWLZE003835; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:32:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33AVri0053042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 04:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33AVnl0006294; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 04:31:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav10.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33AVjIu006231 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 04:31:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 03:31:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 10:31:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c656c5$1a579010$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:31:35 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2006 10:31:41.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBFE7150:01C65709] Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hoops, was GFD fittings, etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 06:32:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4430F9B5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO The Spanish farthingale is similar in that it balances, but uses a series of rectangles that you adjust to the wearer. In the 19thC, the full fabric crinolines were often drafted with shaped pieces. By putting the piece with more bias to the one with less, the straighter piece pulls the hoop backwards, balancing it. Did I make better sense this time? There are days when language escapes me! Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 11:19 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. > Please excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean "creates a hoop"? How? > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of kelly grant > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:06 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. > > > Actually, by putting bias to straight in the mid 19thC they created a hoop > that would balance itself, and a skirt that would flow away from the legs > when walking. Pretty cool. > > A lot of our modern clothing construction method were developed in the > 19thC. Some seriously inovative cutting to upholster the body. > > Kelly > >> Later 19thC skirts through often go straight to slant. I suspect this >> has >> a >> lot to do with aesthetic appeal as you can see it looks neater when you >> have >> stripes;) There is a perfect example of it in PoF 2 of the early 1870s. >> >> michaela de bruce >> http://glittersweet.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 07:34:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33BYeLE016756 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:34:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33BYraK024621; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:34:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33BYH7j069140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 05:34:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33BYB04047026; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 05:34:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33BY6tg046921 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 05:34:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 04:34:00 -0700 Message-ID: <44310835.6030104@msn.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:34:13 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2006 11:34:00.0402 (UTC) FILETIME=[80875B20:01C65712] Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Turcopoliers-what they wore X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 07:34:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4431085D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi all, I have been asked to do some research on what Turcopoliers wore in the 11th and 12th centuries. I have gone through Worldcat, and of course nothing comes up about them directly. I am sure I will have to start in some general arms/armour book and was wondering if anyone on the list could point me to a good one. Turcopoliers were supposedly a mixed breed Greek/Turk or Saracen who sometimes fought for the crusaders. When I looke in the OED to find out what they were, I was surprised to find that the term only went back as far as the 15th century...not sure how that could be, but. Here is the the link to that. http://tinyurl.com/gxjls Thanks for any pointers! Sg* * _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 08:08:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33C8nUP019393 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:08:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33C92p6005071; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:09:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33C8VXA079122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:08:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33C8Udb070506; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:08:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33C8O9u070464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:08:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-215-17-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.17]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k33C8MtM013622 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:08:23 +1000 Message-ID: <00b101c65717$4dc3cde0$11d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c6561a$f7f9a7b0$34ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <000601c65665$9849d920$23bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:08:21 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:09:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4431105E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper > For my ItalianRen bodices, I just made them extra snug, and they held me > up > just fine (and I'm a BIG girl, that way). I've never used a fragile > fabric, > though (usually cotton or linen, as they were intended for summer/camping > use), and always did a good, sturdy interlining, often with a heavy-weight > linen. On my linen gowns, I did lace into them, wait for the fabric to > warm > up, and then pull them snug, but that was about it.... > --Sue Well that's roughly what we're doing tomorrow night (at our regular meeting) I'm starting from a commercial pattern cutting an inch outside the lines and then fitting it. But I thought that as I'm doing this on somebody else I might try out Robin's techniques given that they work so well in a similar situation (i.e. making an unboned dress that supports the bust) and that this style evolved out of the style Robin is recreating. I'm also interested in maybe one day making a GFD for myself so if I can experiment with the style that my friend wants I'm happy to get the experience so I can find out how Robin's techniques work. In reality making your bodices 'extra snug' is not that dissimilar to Robin's basic concept, stopping your boobs from falling down by making the bodice tight below the bust, and that's roughly what I'm trying to achieve at this fitting session. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 08:19:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33CJfDj019545 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:19:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33CJtIP008832; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:19:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33CIPNw079887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:18:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33CIOB6076948; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:18:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33CIMOV076920 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:18:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 9so1782020nzo for ; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 05:18:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QdWHH9Bd+S3iRsqEZxUo1/EH0rC3PmHKXTPtsyxavRHzQm1zVhvZGVLY95uBtu12HdSopUFU0ng3c7FyLKR2rAGDoZtL9kIK5qaUhzdIeg+17a4MliHIBETJBmjWH3U7IOieO2HCesxnZNT/5Jd6jUZCPd0K23piIg1o/Yrzldw= Received: by 10.35.8.1 with SMTP id l1mr1079641pyi; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 05:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.18.8 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 05:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070604030518h49cff448y9808efd2d4cd987a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:18:22 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] lace question In-Reply-To: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k33CIMOV076920 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:19:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 443112EB.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO It looks like a rayon chemical lace, where the embroidery is done on cloth then the cloth is eaten away by chemicals leaving the embroidered lace pattern. Chemical lace techniques achieved very good imitations of handmade lace styles in the 19th century. I can't place what type of lace this style is trying to replicate, if any, but the feel is late 19th early 20th century to me, with a crochet or tatted feel. One of my favorite lace identification books is Guide to lace and Linens by Elizabeth M. Kurella, isbn 0-930625-89-7 (1989). It is very well organized, with lots of pictures, and has sections on stitches, parts of lace and names. And also anything by Pat Earnshaw. Katy On 4/2/06, Dawn wrote: > Can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? > > www.reddawn.net/temp/lace.jpg > > > I looked in my book on the history of lace, but all the pictures started > to look alike to me. :( > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 08:45:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33Cjo2p020006 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:45:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33Ck3ND018017; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:46:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33Ciu7H082109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:44:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33CimKd095043; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:44:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33Cij11095008 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:44:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.144.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.144]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FQOQF-0005Mz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:44:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7410FEBA-C310-11DA-B66E-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: lace question Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:50:39 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:46:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4431190B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO To me it looks like very elaborate bobbin lace. Those "starburst" centers are called, in my books, "spiders." I have a lace insert saved from one of my aunt's blouses that is this complex. I admit the leaves look denser than bobbin-lace leaves I've seen generally, but the work itself is very dense and the thread seems to lend itself to a dense look. As for period, I wouldn't hazard a guess. Bjarne would be the best authority on this question, I think. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner gypsy scholar and amateur costumer On Apr 2, 2006, at 11:54 PM, Onaree Berard wrote: > Not irish crochet, looks like some form crochet or possibly bobbin > lace. The type of ground and tallys are commonly seen in bobbin lace, > but crochet has been used to copy every type of lace known so that > wouldn't rule out crochet. > > I'm favouring crochet as it looks like round motifs joined together, > and the tally's (diamond shaped leaves) don't look woven as you would > see in bobbin lace. They look more like they were done in two rounds. > > But the 'starburst' centres, for lack of a better term, look strange > and I can't figure out how they were done. > > Sorry I couldn't be more help. Usually I can at least figure out what > type of technique. > > Onaree > > > On 4/2/06, otsisto wrote: >> Possibly Milanese >> http://www.gulliver-pp.com/pages/milanese-pix.htm >> or >> Irish crochet >> http://www.irishlacemuseum.com/Museum/Crochetpg.html >> http://lacismuseum.org/exhibit/Irish%20Crochet%20Lace.pdf >> http://www.mendes.co.uk/19thc.lace.html#IRISH%20%20CROCHET >> >> De >> >> -----Original Message----- >> On 4/2/06, Dawn wrote: >>> Can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? >>> >>> www.reddawn.net/temp/lace.jpg >>> >>> >>> I looked in my book on the history of lace, but all the pictures >>> started >>> to look alike to me. :( >>> >>> >>> >>> Dawn > -- > Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 09:48:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33DmY2V020905 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:48:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33Dmm8g012120; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:48:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33Dlpxk091838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:47:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33DlkHY045263; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:47:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33DlfHs045147 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:47:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5546.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.70]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 598D6FAC032 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:47:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000601c65725$4411c6e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lace question Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:48:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 09:48:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 443127C0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi, I tryed several times but the picture wont upload on my monitor. Tryed this morning, and now several hours later, no luck, so i cant be of any help! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:59 AM Subject: [h-cost] lace question > Can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? > > www.reddawn.net/temp/lace.jpg > > > I looked in my book on the history of lace, but all the pictures started > to look alike to me. :( > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 16:05:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33K5A2K028826 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:05:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33K5NNn014078; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:05:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33K4tCw049909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:04:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33K4hAi004802; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:04:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33K4c4f004570 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:04:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2ea.4d9a462 (15700) for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MBLK-R05 (mblk-r05.mblk.aol.com [152.163.211.196]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d5444317fca220; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:04:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:04:26 -0400 Message-Id: <8C82570F1904FA6-1318-B362@MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.196) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:04:26 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17114 Subject: Re: [h-cost] lace question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.196 X-Spam-Flag: NO Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:05:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44318003.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO not truely sure the center looks like crochet but the outer edge looks like a tatted picot edge. And I think I have been told neither are SCA time frame. But it is very pretty theresa -----Original Message----- From: Dawn To: Historical Costume Sent: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:59:04 -0500 Subject: [h-cost] lace question Can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? www.reddawn.net/temp/lace.jpg I looked in my book on the history of lace, but all the pictures started to look alike to me. :( Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 16:18:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33KIwA3029170 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:18:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33KJBps027600; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:19:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33HCJHM023346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:12:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33HCHsr037396; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:12:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net ([63.240.77.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33HC9La035963 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:12:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from smailcenter67.comcast.net ([204.127.205.167]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006040317104401400c6100e>; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:10:44 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by smailcenter67.comcast.net; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:10:43 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Turcopoliers-what they wore Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:10:43 +0000 Message-Id: <040320061710.6997.443157130006EEE500001B5522070215739C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:19:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4431833F.010 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Sorry, Sg, I went through all of my books but could not find anything except for what I have mentioned in my previous message. I'll keep looking though. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: WickedFrau > Hi all, I have been asked to do some research on what Turcopoliers wore > in the 11th and 12th centuries. I have gone through Worldcat, and of > course nothing comes up about them directly. I am sure I will have to > start in some general arms/armour book and was wondering if anyone on > the list could point me to a good one. > > Turcopoliers were supposedly a mixed breed Greek/Turk or Saracen who > sometimes fought for the crusaders. When I looke in the OED to find out > what they were, I was surprised to find that the term only went back as > far as the 15th century...not sure how that could be, but. Here is the > the link to that. > > http://tinyurl.com/gxjls > > Thanks for any pointers! > > Sg* > * > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 16:18:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33KIwA5029170 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:18:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33KJBpu027600; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:19:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33H3lmK022264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:03:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33H3YXW029704; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:03:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33H3UZd028944 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:03:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from smailcenter67.comcast.net ([204.127.205.167]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2006040317025001300etq9he>; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:02:50 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by smailcenter67.comcast.net; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:02:49 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Turcopoliers-what they wore Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:02:49 +0000 Message-Id: <040320061702.23622.4431553900067C4500005C4622070215739C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:19:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4431833F.010 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Sg, I did a Google and found that the Turcopoliers were mounted archers who assisted the Crusaders during the 11th and 12th centuries. Let me see if I can find anything in my books on the Crusades. I have quite a few books on arms and armour. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: WickedFrau > Hi all, I have been asked to do some research on what Turcopoliers wore > in the 11th and 12th centuries. I have gone through Worldcat, and of > course nothing comes up about them directly. I am sure I will have to > start in some general arms/armour book and was wondering if anyone on > the list could point me to a good one. > > Turcopoliers were supposedly a mixed breed Greek/Turk or Saracen who > sometimes fought for the crusaders. When I looke in the OED to find out > what they were, I was surprised to find that the term only went back as > far as the 15th century...not sure how that could be, but. Here is the > the link to that. > > http://tinyurl.com/gxjls > > Thanks for any pointers! > > Sg* > * > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 16:31:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33KVVKU029411 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:31:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33KVjX0007071; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:31:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33KUnTv054371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:30:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33KUlH1031516; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:30:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33KUhfG031371 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:30:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C411A6871 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:30:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44318618.2090100@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:31:20 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lace question References: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> <8C82570F1904FA6-1318-B362@MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C82570F1904FA6-1318-B362@MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:31:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44318631.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > not truely sure the center looks like crochet but the outer edge looks > like a tatted picot edge. And I think I have been told neither are SCA > time frame. But it is very pretty theresa > The jury seems be be out for this one. I was hoping to find out what it was before I put it on an 18th century shirt. I know it's probably not right for that timeframe, but it *is* pretty, as you say, and it was practically free as a remnant. Thanks to everyone who took a stab at it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 18:46:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33MkxkT032544 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:46:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33Ml9T3015235; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:47:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33MkfqW076055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:46:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33MkXdI060464; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:46:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33MkTat060397 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:46:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5546.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.70]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E8AF0FAC025 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 00:46:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c65770$7485fe90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 00:46:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th century stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:47:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4431A5ED.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi, These are rather interresting: http://tinyurl.com/makg8 Notice the tape at the waist inside, and also the small triangular piece in the linning that holds the bulged out front. Excatly that type of stays i am going to make soon! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 21:46:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k341kJX1005859 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 21:46:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k341kWfb010639; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 21:46:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k341jvkV099296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:45:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k341jgsk003622; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:45:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k341jdMX003553 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:45:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE9910AB01DA; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 01:40:41 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hoops, was GFD fittings, etc. Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:45:40 -0700 Message-ID: <009001c65789$7b06b110$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Do you have a picture/illustration? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of kelly grant Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:32 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Hoops, was GFD fittings, etc. The Spanish farthingale is similar in that it balances, but uses a series of rectangles that you adjust to the wearer. In the 19thC, the full fabric crinolines were often drafted with shaped pieces. By putting the piece with more bias to the one with less, the straighter piece pulls the hoop backwards, balancing it. Did I make better sense this time? There are days when language escapes me! Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 11:19 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. > Please excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean "creates a hoop"? > How? Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of kelly grant > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:06 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. > > > Actually, by putting bias to straight in the mid 19thC they created a > hoop that would balance itself, and a skirt that would flow away from > the legs when walking. Pretty cool. > > A lot of our modern clothing construction method were developed in the > 19thC. Some seriously inovative cutting to upholster the body. > > Kelly > >> Later 19thC skirts through often go straight to slant. I suspect this >> has a >> lot to do with aesthetic appeal as you can see it looks neater when you >> have >> stripes;) There is a perfect example of it in PoF 2 of the early 1870s. >> >> michaela de bruce >> http://glittersweet.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 4 05:10:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k349Ab8T018007 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 05:10:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k349Ap1s030400; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 05:10:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k349AEHK054548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Apr 2006 03:10:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k349A48p008488; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 03:10:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3499wxF008406 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 03:10:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A6BC15DE00CE; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:05:00 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Clothes fitting Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 02:10:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c657c7$8d98d630$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3499wxF008406 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 04 Apr 2006 05:10:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4432381B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO When I asked about it a couple of years ago, the cost was about $60. Which isn't bad for custom jeans. I think you can just call Levi Strauss in San Francisco. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Data-Samtak Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 6:00 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting Sharon, That is great news! How do we go about fitting ourselves for the "MANY more sizes"? Who do we contact? Any idea of the cost? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 1, 2006, at 3:39 AM, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > A friend of mine works at Levi and says they have MANY more sizes > available, which you can try, and then they will tweak the closest fit > for you and keep > the info, so that whenever you want another pair, you just phone and > have > them sent. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > Behalf Of Marie Stewart > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:30 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting > > > Yeup... and I thought seriously about trying a pair... but in the end > found another maker of jeans that fit - sigh - well enough, although > I am always > wanting the denim to be of a heavier weight. > > On 3/31/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: >> Mari, do you know of the custom fit jeans available from Levis? >> Sharon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >> [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] >> On Behalf Of Marie Stewart >> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:39 AM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting >> >> >> Thank you for that article... very interesting. >> >> Now what the retailers are missing is the opportunity to expand, and >> raise their sales. >> >> Imagine... A large chain adopts the Fitlogic system. Inside their >> stores, they create separate boutiques, or even a small independent >> entity. One for each body type. Stock the items that flatter that >> body type the most in their respective sections. In larger chains >> you could even have different stock for a particular body type in >> different stores. If a customer finds something they like in one >> section, but it is not their body type, allow them to order (or >> request from another store) that item in the fit they want. This >> wouldn't be anything revolutionary, major chains already swap >> clothing around between stores. >> >> How many women would love to have a store that they knew the items >> would be a better fit. You see it already, women have brand loyalty, >> if a line provides better fit. >> >> Oooooh, just think about it... stores might actually have to sell >> more items on style and quality if they took out the fit roulette. >> >> Mari - still irked that Banana Republic stopped making "the perfect >> fitting jean" in 1992. >> >>> Clothes That Fit the Woman, Not the Store >>> By MICHAEL BARBARO >>> Published: March 31, 2006 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 4 10:51:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k34EpSHB001240 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:51:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k34Epgra001729; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:51:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k34Ep6nc001268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:51:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k34Eoucv052237; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:50:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k34Eoqqb052061 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:50:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2f3.2c488c2 (16930) for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:50:40 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2f3.2c488c2.3163e1c0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:50:40 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hoops, was GFD fittings, etc. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:51:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443287FE.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/3/2006 9:47:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: In the 19thC, the full fabric crinolines were often drafted with shaped pieces. By putting the piece with more bias to the one with less, the straighter piece pulls the hoop backwards, balancing it. ********************** Only in the mid 1860s to the end of the era before it goes into bustle. The effect of cutting a gore with the front edge on the straight and the back on some kind of bias is to push the fullness to the back because the straight will fall vertically and the bias will give way. [You see this construction, w/out hoops of course, in 1890s and 1900s fashion skirts as well....the effect pushing the fullness to the back] But it was also achieved with just a cage....by adding extra vertical tapes at strategic places in the back part of the cage crinoline. And cage or petticoat, these shaped hoops almost always used a pad at the back to keep them balanced. Remember the early hoops were used to relieve the wearer of the multitude of petticoats worn to get the dome shape of the 1830s, 40s and 50s. They were often small....a little more than a stride...and the hoops started at about knee level. Throw one or two petticoats over these and you have the same shape as just 5 or 6 petticoats. Looked at from above, the shape was basically a circle with the wearer in the center. Of course some small pad or wadding might be added to the petticoat or even the skirt to give the back more bulk. These early hoops were not meant to change the silhouette. But later, as the hoop comes into its own, it and its cut actually determine the silhouette and you get the hoop which sweeps to the back....looking from above, an egg shape with the small end at the back and the wearer in the center of the widest part. The dome shape gives way to a more triangular silhouette achieved by flat pleating the skirt to the waist, as opposed to gathers or cartridge pleats. I suppose you could use one of the earlier hoops as a farthingale and get away with it. But a real farthingale would not be of watch spring steel. Cane, rather, and not as flexible or light. And farthingales usually have hoops that start higher than knee level. And the farthingale look is triangular. In Janet Arnold there are flat pleated skirts in many of the Renaissance gowns. And some are gored, not just straight panels, to get that triangular silhouette. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 4 17:40:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k34LeJdx022517 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:40:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k34Le8NB011030; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:40:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k34LdhCG077949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:39:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k34LdTjk051212; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k34LdK6x051081 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:39:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 30833 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 14:39:20 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 30812, pid: 30820, t: 1.6411s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:36/d:1361 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.126) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 14:39:18 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404135305.022a6430@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:39:08 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.0.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:40:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4432E7B8.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived in today's mail. Yippee! I've only glanced through it, but I like the fact that the photographed models look like real people, not skinny models. This will be some nice reading (and re-reading) in the evenings. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Tuesday 04 April 2006 5:39 pm, Joan Jurancich wrote: > My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived in today's mail. Yippee! I've > only glanced through it, but I like the fact that the photographed > models look like real people, not skinny models. This will be some > nice reading (and re-reading) in the evenings. Joan, where do you live? I'm wondering how soon I'll get mine. I live in the US, near Philadelphia. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 4 23:25:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k353PFGs010653 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:25:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k353P7cf026498; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:25:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k353OrEO023173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:24:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k353Oq07030883; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:24:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k353Omwo030830 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:24:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 28210 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 20:24:47 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 28192, pid: 28205, t: 0.7084s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:36/d:1361 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.126) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 20:24:47 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404202415.0236dcb0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:24:35 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 08:23 PM 4/4/2006, you wrote: >On Tuesday 04 April 2006 5:39 pm, Joan Jurancich wrote: > > My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived in today's mail. Yippee! I've > > only glanced through it, but I like the fact that the photographed > > models look like real people, not skinny models. This will be some > > nice reading (and re-reading) in the evenings. > >Joan, where do you live? I'm wondering how soon I'll get mine. I >live in the >US, near Philadelphia. > >-- >Cathy Raymond > >"I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." >--General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) I'm in Sacramento, CA. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Quoting Catherine Olanich Raymond : > On Tuesday 04 April 2006 5:39 pm, Joan Jurancich wrote: >> My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived in today's mail. Yippee! I've >> only glanced through it, but I like the fact that the photographed >> models look like real people, not skinny models. This will be some >> nice reading (and re-reading) in the evenings. > > Joan, where do you live? I'm wondering how soon I'll get mine. I > live in the > US, near Philadelphia. > I don't remember if it was on this list or another one. Ninya shipped *all* the US books to her mother *somewhere* in California. All the books that I've seen across my various lists arrived today in California. I'm figuring *maybe* Saturday -- probably first of Next Week for the eastern US. The book also covers both Henry 8 and Elizabeth I Jerusha, waiting patiently ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 00:22:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k354Mnrp013554 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:22:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k354Mebq032267; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:22:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k354H51C030476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:17:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k354H43n070570; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:17:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k354GxdC070442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:17:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3563GEb017374 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 02:03:17 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Tuesday 04 April 2006 11:30 pm, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Quoting Catherine Olanich Raymond : > > On Tuesday 04 April 2006 5:39 pm, Joan Jurancich wrote: > >> My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived in today's mail. Yippee! I've > >> only glanced through it, but I like the fact that the photographed > >> models look like real people, not skinny models. This will be some > >> nice reading (and re-reading) in the evenings. > > > > Joan, where do you live? I'm wondering how soon I'll get mine. I > > live in the > > US, near Philadelphia. > > I don't remember if it was on this list or another one. Ninya shipped > *all* the US books to her mother *somewhere* in California. All the > books that I've seen across my various lists arrived today in > California. I'm figuring *maybe* Saturday -- probably first of Next > Week for the eastern US. Ah, now *that* answers my next question! So those of us in the Eastern US will probably get ours last. Now I know! Thanks. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 07:20:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35BKQeB030087 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:20:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35BK7mR012208; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:20:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35BJXBE076892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:19:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35BJRx5018269; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:19:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav4.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35BJNhw018169 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 04:19:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:19:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404135305.022a6430@surewest.net><200604042323.54976.cathy@thyrsus.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060404202415.0236dcb0@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I'm near Harrisburg. I'm hoping to find someone close to chech in with about Ren dress making. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! > At 08:23 PM 4/4/2006, you wrote: >>On Tuesday 04 April 2006 5:39 pm, Joan Jurancich wrote: >> > My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived in today's mail. Yippee! I've >> > only glanced through it, but I like the fact that the photographed >> > models look like real people, not skinny models. This will be some >> > nice reading (and re-reading) in the evenings. >> >>Joan, where do you live? I'm wondering how soon I'll get mine. I live in >>the >>US, near Philadelphia. >> >>-- >>Cathy Raymond >> >>"I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." >>--General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) > > I'm in Sacramento, CA. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 07:41:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35BfCHl002895 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:41:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35Bf4NW024629; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:41:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Bdw8S080893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:39:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35BcsV0029557; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35BcpKa029482 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:38:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.332.1a1439f (39954) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Chindora@aol.com Message-ID: <332.1a1439f.31650644@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:38:44 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 07:41:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4433ACD0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I received my copy two days ago, and have already thumbed through it on multiple occasions. I have to say that it is wonderful, beautifully illustrated and richly detailed. The documentation brought a smile, and I was thrilled to see so many examples of common folk clothes, as opposed to just high fashion. Portraits are great as are extant examples of clothing. I would highly recommend this book to anyone attempting to recreate 16th century clothing. Clothing, not costumes, yay! :) ~Kimberley Jacksonville, Florida _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 11:40:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Fe3m5016971 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:40:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35FdtCA028569; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:39:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Fd9uG034814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:39:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Fd1rq021837; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:39:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35FcvBW021697 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1389.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.111]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C7031937B for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:38:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:38:50 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060405153851.22C7031937B@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:39:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4433E4CB.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 12:00:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35G0IGq018124 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:00:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35G0AD1013217; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:00:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35FrDCL038907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:53:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Fr6e0035331; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:53:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav8.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35FqvKk035163 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:53:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:52:53 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:52:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060405153851.22C7031937B@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:52:47 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2006 15:52:53.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[00189680:01C658C9] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:00:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4433E98A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO That looks fabulous! Just what I imagined bliaut to look like in person! Very cool Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut > Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. > Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool > http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 12:04:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35G4nH3018173 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:04:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35G4fZ2016850; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:04:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35G4NlS042135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:04:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35G4LZV046607; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:04:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35G4H7L046505 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:04:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5583.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.131]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C2EB8FAC024 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:04:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002501c658ca$9834c0f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060405153851.22C7031937B@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:04:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:04:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4433EA99.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Congratulations Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut > Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. > Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool > http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 12:08:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35G8i4O018253 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:08:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35G8aVk019833; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:08:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35G8F3G043118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:08:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35G8EGa050523; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp109.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp109.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k35G89e8050254 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:08:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 58310 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 16:08:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fMjaQmapmmequoYw8ye75jlIPlNYewm2lL5KYA1rrI4JCHxzOpBOlrouaFvNFiRSMIFdmc1V6gFkchxYoVraQnthPY4QhWbTrcM3FIMOkfIcDWSt1KYCTx0ixnXWqP3dfbWTplZS5nCAlINtF3OvSWXWzGca1VjRNYDrB5it9GQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.27.127.33?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Greetings-- Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. > Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool > http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg Very spiff! You've definitely got "the look" down. Which construction method did you use? (For the uninitiated, there are several theories of bliaut construction, including simple side lacing, side lacing with added length through the body to get the folds across the belly, bias-cut, separate skirt piece, and various types of pleating/smocking--not to mention the largely discredited "corselet" cut). Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 12:55:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35GtWY3019904 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:55:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35GtNpx024023; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:55:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35GsdWk056065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:54:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35GsVZ2096130; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:54:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35GsRAm095983 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:54:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1389.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.111]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCC63195C2 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:54:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:54:22 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut References: <20060405153851.22C7031937B@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> <4433EB6C.8030909@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <4433EB6C.8030909@rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060405165422.1CCC63195C2@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:55:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4433F67B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO It is the very basic construction. with gores to make the skirt wider and side lacing with added lengt. The pleating is done by moisting the silk, pleat and let it dry for a day. Here is the rest of the website. It is in Dutch http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/Bliaut.html Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > Greetings-- > > Deredere Galbraith wrote: > >> Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. >> Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool >> http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg > > Very spiff! You've definitely got "the look" down. Which > construction method did you use? (For the uninitiated, there are > several theories of bliaut construction, including simple side lacing, > side lacing with added length through the body to get the folds across > the belly, bias-cut, separate skirt piece, and various types of > pleating/smocking--not to mention the largely discredited "corselet" > cut). > > > > Susan > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 13:42:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35HggAY023160 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:42:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35HgYGo032338; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:42:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Hg2fY066160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Hfxcg040112; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:42:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.247] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35HftPI039940 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:41:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1475C1D0005 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26934-08 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 93F131D0008 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01ce01c658d8$40ed6dc0$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404135305.022a6430@surewest.net><200604042323.54976.cathy@thyrsus.com><7.0.1.0.2.20060404202415.0236dcb0@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! > I'm near Harrisburg. I'm hoping to find someone close to chech in with > about Ren dress making. Hi Becky--I live near Harrisburg, in York. I'd be more than happy to help you drool over the book! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 14:03:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35I3dWg024344 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:03:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35I3VlA018461; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:03:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35I37Cs070876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:03:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35I34Qu060987; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35I2w8F060840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:03:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:16198 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FRCL1-0006fA-Oc; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:02:40 -0500 Message-ID: <019a01c658db$1fa46f30$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: , Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:02:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pilgrim shoes (x-post) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:03:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44340673.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k35I3dWg024344 Status: RO Does anyone know if Pilgrim Shoes is still in business/taking orders? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 16:02:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35K2j7g031042 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:02:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35K2aCO026700; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:02:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35K1ksD094030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:01:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35K1gVi072581; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:01:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35K1boK072511 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:01:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FREC8-000Nz5-7w for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:01:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:00:30 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut References: <20060405153851.22C7031937B@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> <4433EB6C.8030909@rogers.com> <20060405165422.1CCC63195C2@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <20060405165422.1CCC63195C2@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<$9$N+Zj34zdmaF4tqRmTWmYY0u>) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:02:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434225C.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO You really have got the look, it's lovely. Some time I will take the time to read through your site with my Dutch dictionary. But I do like the picture of the dress all twisted up - it looks as if it would go through a wedding ring, like a Christening shawl was meant to do! Jean Deredere Galbraith wrote >It is the very basic construction. with gores to make the skirt wider >and side lacing with added lengt. >The pleating is done by moisting the silk, pleat and let it dry for a day. >Here is the rest of the website. >It is in Dutch >http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/Bliaut.html > >Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > >> Greetings-- >> >> Deredere Galbraith wrote: >> >>> Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. >>> Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool >>> http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg >> >> Very spiff! You've definitely got "the look" down. Which >>construction method did you use? (For the uninitiated, there are >>several theories of bliaut construction, including simple side lacing, >>side lacing with added length through the body to get the folds across >>the belly, bias-cut, separate skirt piece, and various types of >>pleating/smocking--not to mention the largely discredited "corselet" cut). >> >> >> >> Susan >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 16:10:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35KAFHS031505 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:10:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35KA7TN000830; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:10:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35K9pMQ095555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:09:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35K9iaB080324; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35K9dt1080154 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from smailcenter71.comcast.net ([204.127.205.171]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006040520093401100lbq5ge>; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:09:34 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by smailcenter71.comcast.net; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:09:32 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:09:32 +0000 Message-Id: <040520062009.26378.443423FC000B2A560000670A22007636929C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:10:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434241F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO It is a lovely dress. I wish I could read Dutch so I could make a dress just like this. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Deredere Galbraith > Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. > Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool > http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 16:58:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35KwhTf001691 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:58:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35KwZs2006832; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:58:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Kvx9V003853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Kvv9j025936; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:57:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k35KvrBS025758 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:57:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCDJM3XAZK3FTS for (sender ); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:57:25 -0700 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LL8LJ7Z2; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:56:53 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:46:05 -0700 Message-ID: <20060405.135621.2432.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-30 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 11:5:78731205 X-MAIL-INFO: 08bc9d31a8bc051128a911a81818b139b881952df981583de11dcd584139f905ada5ed81bc359981693dad2861a10d09ace9ecace5196ce9e5b12868f14db118714d8961f1e815612d1509688d1cc11509a1f10df90d8ce5fc25780db1bdc961a155e95500cc7c78fce50141c92149212d3c58f92cbddc8d81b898 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgk7ivMdQv5fC6LrrPdd+f2U= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Set Editor wanted X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:58:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44342F7B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO While in Angers recently I saw a great statue of a woman wearing a bliaut. The picture I took shows the lacing on the side. Since this isn't my time period, I don't know is this is well known statue or not. If people are interested, please let me know. Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 17:15:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LFoLt003444 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:15:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35LFgVJ019728; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:15:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LFFRH007366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:15:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LF9ft044051; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:15:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LEq6h043691 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:14:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IX9002G4POL40KC@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:14:43 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut In-reply-to: <31d.1ac1a50.31658b27@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:15:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434337E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi Nancy-- Do you have a photo? Regards Monica (Catriona) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of MaddNancy@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:06 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut While in Angers recently I saw a great statue of a woman wearing a bliaut. The picture I took shows the lacing on the side. Since this isn't my time period, I don't know is this is well known statue or not. If people are interested, please let me know. Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 17:18:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LIEhp003597 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:18:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35LI5HT021613; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:18:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LHsVG007847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:17:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LHl0h047003; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:17:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k35LHf27046846 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:17:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 3163 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 21:17:31 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:17:31 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <61265.162.119.64.110.1144271900.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060322182149.01d7f328@127.0.0.1> References: <870801590603211210p668a38cbrb3fa192c4c90af8f@mail.gmail.com> <000601c64d26$1feb5410$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <870801590603211245v52bf459fvc681427579cf5792@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c64d33$3de2ea70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <870801590603211616y70e4725frb09c32c22e84099d@mail.gmail.com> <20060321200006.qvk7vumvreu8kgg0@www.goldsword.com> <20060321200246.ov91aczjovwgsokw@www.goldsword.com> <001601c64d8d$96827f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <20060322081055.mcgvhn467eo0sokw@www.goldsword.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060322135856.01d8c628@127.0.0.1> <870801590603220619p2b42eer8474462c401ae1f0@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060322182149.01d7f328@127.0.0.1> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:18:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Visiting Washington DC soon take II... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:18:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434340D.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I forgot to mention that I will also be visiting Colonial Williamsburg....does anybody know how I can get in to take a look at their costume collection up close? Thanks! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 17:21:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LLodo003719 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:21:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35LLfDL024297; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:21:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LG04u007477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:16:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LFweu045019; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:15:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k35LFiSg044706 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 2743 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 21:15:24 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:15:24 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <45873.162.119.64.110.1144271774.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <31d.1ac1a50.31658b27@aol.com> References: <31d.1ac1a50.31658b27@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Visiting Washington DC soon.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:21:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443434E6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hello all, I will be traveling to Washington DC soon and wanted to hear recommendations from folks on the list about what to see. My interests are existing costumes from Europe 1100-1890 and paintings of the Renaissance & Baroque periods. Thanks! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 18:23:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MNnn2008705 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:23:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35MNefm029069; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:23:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MN4aS021864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:23:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MN0cQ007997; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:23:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MMuNQ007868 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:22:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2dd.52b75bf (16335) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:22:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2dd.52b75bf.31659d39@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:22:49 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:23:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434436C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/5/06 7:02:05 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > I've only glanced through it, but I like the fact that the photographed > models look like real people, not skinny models. That's cos they are real people (including lots of UK re-enactors!!), but I agree. Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 18:26:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MQkki008867 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:26:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35MQcN4030598; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:26:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MQ9hV022456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:26:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MQ89t010696; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:26:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web27312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web27312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k35MQ3Lk010517 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:26:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 43164 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2006 22:25:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6QK04ZccUdWPxAA6Nn9OZpBBQbtBeCORa+r0PLUqudBSGaEg+Jn52fYHouRRTT3RUKIwwqa6ggpI3jNPE6TmYc3sFRxsGapqteuLYfqB9HtOFaaCqAPPwrLfTeC/bmckBY3UYGv6mLADGoUS1nbjj/KmWyGLp0940DXUCD58Bhw= ; Message-ID: <20060405222558.43162.qmail@web27312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.100.197] by web27312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:25:58 BST Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:25:58 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:26:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434441E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi! I would like to make the 1569 Elizabethan dress (or something near as possible!) that is illustrated on page 63 (the one in the middle of the group) of 'Patterns for Women's Dress 1500-1800 for my nearly four year daughter. Yes, I'm being very ambitious here! The thing is, how would scale the pattern (on page 68 onwards) to fit her? Am I being a bit too ambitious?! All the best! Jayne --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 18:54:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MsHxc011377 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:54:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35Ms9kT014212; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:54:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Mrfwv027184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:53:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MrdXa035154; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:53:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MrZdJ035094 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sherylnd@kc.rr.com) Received: from sherylnd.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-96-190.kc.res.rr.com [65.30.96.190]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k35MrVoC013463 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:53:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060405175109.02348260@kc.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:53:30 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: Subject: [h-cost] book on Stuart costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:54:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44344A91.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO The following book review was in a recent Library Journal. I thought some of the list members might be interested. The book just came out. Sheryl N-D Ribeiro, Aileen. Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart England. Yale Univ. in assoc. with the Paul Mellon Centre for Studies in British Art. 2006. 387p. photogs. bibliog. index. ISBN 0-300-10999-7. $65. FINE ARTS Fashion books are often large, but Ribeiro's (history of art, Courtauld Inst. of Art, Univ. of London; The Art of Dress: Fashion in England and France, 1750-1820) is also otherwise substantial. Flipping through the pages is a treat enough, with their sumptuous reproductions of 17th-century English paintings, etchings, costume plates, clothing receipts, and fabric. But Ribeiro's clear text is a refreshing companion, deftly interweaving poetry, theater, philosophy, politics, and art into a generalized but engaging chronological survey of how dress can reflect society, literally becoming a part of its language and economy. This book delivers its evidence with humor and historical empathy, reveling in its discussion of the importance of men's garters and the close connection between emotion (particularly melancholy) and states of dress (or undress). Despite the author's scholarly background, the art historical potency of the works is sometimes subsumed by their role as illustration of fact. However, Ribeiro presents a banquet of fascinating images, from the most famous Anthony van Dyck royal portraits to the shockingly modern still life of Wenceslaus Hollar, and her book is not to be put down lightly. Recommended. ~~~~~~~~ By Prudence Peiffer, Cambridge, MA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 19:09:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35N93uY014035 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:09:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35N8sTQ024121; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:08:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35N8Ki8030010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35N865d048036; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35N81jv047989 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:08:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E37116CE for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060405160302.0365a388@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:07:54 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Henry VIII movie question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:08:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44344E07.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hey all, I am thinking of getting a movie, A Man For All Seasons (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060665/), to watch while I am working on my Henrician gown. Our Henry VIII faires are often set during the marriage question. But I have never seen the movie. Is it worth getting? How is the storyline? How good/bad are the costumes? Is my money better spent on a different movie of a similar time frame? Thanks for any thoughts on this. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 19:20:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35NKVGL016400 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:20:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35NKMN5030861; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:20:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35NISAn032119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:18:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35NIR3v056488; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:18:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav16.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.88]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35NIO9w056364 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:18:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:18:18 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY101-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:18:18 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060405222558.43162.qmail@web27312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Dress Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:18:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2006 23:18:18.0806 (UTC) FILETIME=[39539560:01C65907] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:20:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443450B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I have that book and will look at it again. I have LOTS of patterns from various sources and see if I have one like it. Enlarging a book pattern: Copy it on a xerox. Draw a grid on it to make an enlarging system. Measure something such as the front seam of a bodice- write it down on the copy. I good way to make it simpler it to put 10 squares on top of the pattern piece. If it's 2 inches, put 10. If it's 1 inch put 10. It's easier to multiply a number by 10. Then measure your own body where the pattern will fit. Compare the numbers.( I'm trying to put it into words and am finding it difficult) If your body part area is 12 inches then each square will be 1.2 inches for the enlarged pattern. It doesn't matter how big the copy squares are.. they are just a starting point. They are for placement. The enlargement pattern is where the inches counts. Either way, enlarging a pattern in such a way takes time. I hope that helps. Feel free to ask me if you need more help. Sorry I can't explain it better. I'm a visual person and putting things in words is sometimes harder. I can draw a picture if you'd like.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jayne Thomas" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Dress > Hi! > > I would like to make the 1569 Elizabethan dress (or something near as > possible!) that is illustrated on page 63 (the one in the middle of the > group) of 'Patterns for Women's Dress 1500-1800 for my nearly four year > daughter. Yes, I'm being very ambitious here! The thing is, how would > scale the pattern (on page 68 onwards) to fit her? Am I being a bit too > ambitious?! > > All the best! > Jayne > > > --------------------------------- > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new > Yahoo! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/5/2006 6:26:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk writes: I would like to make the 1569 Elizabethan dress (or something near as possible!) that is illustrated on page 63 (the one in the middle of the group) of 'Patterns for Women's Dress 1500-1800 for my nearly four year daughter. Yes, I'm being very ambitious here! The thing is, how would scale the pattern (on page 68 onwards) to fit her? Am I being a bit too ambitious?! One technique that might work is to use a different size square, rather than 1", to enlarge the pattern--start with, say, her chest measurement and decide how big it needs to be, then use squares of that size--does that make sense? I'm imagining more like 3/4" rather than 1". However, keep in mind that a 4 year old's body shape is different from a grown woman's, so you would have to make some other modifications. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 20:34:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k360Xxwg022129 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:33:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k360XpVi009377; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:33:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k360XH5e046331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k360XEcD019478; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:33:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k360XA4r019433 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:33:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 9596 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2006 00:36:21 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:36:21 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <18374.162.119.64.110.1144283630.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060405160302.0365a388@64.87.54.245> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060405160302.0365a388@64.87.54.245> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII movie question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:33:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443461EF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > Hey all, > > I am thinking of getting a movie, A Man For All Seasons > (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060665/), to watch while I am working on my > Henrician gown. Our Henry VIII faires are often set during the marriage > question. But I have never seen the movie. Is it worth getting? How is the > storyline? How good/bad are the costumes? Is my money better spent on a > different movie of a similar time frame? One of my early favorites is "Anne of the Thousand Days". The costumes are pretty good, the story is entertaining if it isn't strictly true. This has been a favorite of mine for years. Then I tried to watch "A Man for All Seasons" and didn't like it much. Another great Tudor style movie is "Lady Jane". AWESOME costumes if not a little later than you are portraying. Early Helena Bonham Carter and Cary Elwes. Also has Patrick Stewart. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 20:44:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k360iQgU022588 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:44:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k360iIk5015845; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:44:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k360ctnu047375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:38:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k360csOH023353; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k360cPUE023012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:38:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-212-23-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.212.23]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k360cNmE013564 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:38:24 +1000 Message-ID: <009701c65912$68a03110$17d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060405222558.43162.qmail@web27312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Dress Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:38:20 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:44:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44346462.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jayne Thomas" To: Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:25 AM Subject: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Dress > Hi! > > I would like to make the 1569 Elizabethan dress (or something near as > possible!) that is illustrated on page 63 (the one in the middle of the > group) of 'Patterns for Women's Dress 1500-1800 for my nearly four year > daughter. Yes, I'm being very ambitious here! The thing is, how would > scale the pattern (on page 68 onwards) to fit her? Am I being a bit too > ambitious?! > > All the best! > Jayne > Would that be the pattern based on this portrait http://tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg ? The best way might be to take a pattern that's fitted to her measurements and then re-draw some of the seams to make it look like the pattern you're trying to recreate. Look through the regular pattern catalogues for something with a fairly fitted bodice, a waist seam, and a high neckline (so it's easy to cut down to the square neckline of the mid 16th century) then trace this pattern onto tissue paper and copy the lines you see in the book onto your full sized pattern. Fortunately you don't have to deal with removing darts/princess seams as people who try to do this with adult patterns do. The other option would be to copy it onto an overhead transparency and blow it up using an overhead projector, then you just pick one measurement (e.g. the centre front) blow it up to that size trace off the pattern and adjust the rest of the pattern to match her measurements (you'll almost certainly need to reduce the difference between the bust and the waist for a child) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 22:34:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k362YYMJ027542 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:34:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k362YQrW020652; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:34:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k362Y0Vp063742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:34:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k362XuW8006126; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:33:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k362Xk16005947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:33:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k364K878020839 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 00:20:09 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:40:25 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404135305.022a6430@surewest.net> <01ce01c658d8$40ed6dc0$154d4e40@Stuckis> In-Reply-To: <01ce01c658d8$40ed6dc0$154d4e40@Stuckis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604052240.25555.cathy@thyrsus.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:34:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44347E32.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Wednesday 05 April 2006 1:42 pm, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Becky" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:19 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! > > > I'm near Harrisburg. I'm hoping to find someone close to chech in with > > about Ren dress making. > > Hi Becky--I live near Harrisburg, in York. I'd be more than happy to help > you drool over the book! I'm about 2 hours east of Harrisburg; Dianne is definitely closer. But for what it's worth, my copy arrived today. It truly is droolworthy--even though my real love is the Viking era! What spurred me to buy the book was the hope of enabling the authors' proposed next project--The Stuart Tailor. People able and willing to prepare works like these are to be encouraged. Viva Ninya and Jane, and their whole team! -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 22:40:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k362ei82027798 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:40:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k362eaBi024369; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:40:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k362eOD2064390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:40:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k362eNXS010685; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:40:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k362eKFd010581 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IXA00LO94QW3F20@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.34] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.174.157]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:40:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:40:08 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Cc: Subject: [h-cost] need help with dress... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:40:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44347FA4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Here is my problem: I have a GFD but want to put another layer on over top. Would it be appropriate to have something like a semi-fitted T-tunic dress over it? I am looking for something knee-length or longer with 'flowy' mid forearm length sleeves. Is there anything appropriate that I can make? I want to stay more in the same time period to the form-fitted GFD. Thanks Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 23:17:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363HY3k029406 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:17:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k363HQvo014591; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:17:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363HFS3067909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:17:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363HB90035910; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:17:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363H6gV035740 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:17:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.333.1abce5c (25711) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:16:51 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <333.1abce5c.3165e222@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:16:50 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Visiting Washington DC soon take II... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:17:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44348846.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I just got back from DC. This has nothing to do with costume, but there is a Grant Wood exhibit at the Renwick Gallery... diagonally across the street from the White House. It's not a big all day thing, so if you have an hour or so, see if you can catch it. It's full of wonderful stuff....his "craft" works...like iron gates and a wonderful "corn cob" chandelier. "American Gothic" is there on loan from the Chicago Art Inst. It a masterpiece, quite amazing in person no matter how many times you've seen it printed or spoofed somewhere. And other great paintings as well like his portrait of members of the DAR and "The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere" and "Parson Weem's Fable". It's there until July I think. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 23:32:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363WIGN030089 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:32:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k363WA7f023163; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:32:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363VoWg069184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:31:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363VmN7045927; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:31:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav4.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363VkVm045885 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:31:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:31:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.59.198 by BAY106-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 03:31:43 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.59.198] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <31d.1ac1a50.31658b27@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:31:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:31:48 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2006 03:31:45.0887 (UTC) FILETIME=[A173FEF0:01C6592A] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:32:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44348BBA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k363WIGN030089 Status: RO Yes, we are always interested in more bliaut pictures! Especially if it shows the lacing! Could you post it somewhere? Do you have a date? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: MaddNancy@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut While in Angers recently I saw a great statue of a woman wearing a bliaut. The picture I took shows the lacing on the side. Since this isn't my time period, I don't know is this is well known statue or not. If people are interested, please let me know. Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 23:52:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363q8Y6031171 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:52:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k363q0nO001611; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:52:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363peCb072105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:51:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363pYiZ060384; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:51:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363pT9r060319 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:51:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22942 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:24:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:24:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] need help with dress... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:52:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44349060.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 purplkat@optonline.net wrote: > I have a GFD but want to put another layer on over top. > > Would it be appropriate to have something like a semi-fitted T-tunic > dress over it? I am looking for something knee-length or longer with > 'flowy' mid forearm length sleeves. > > Is there anything appropriate that I can make? I want to stay more in > the same time period to the form-fitted GFD. The Gothic fitted dress existed in some from from roughly 1350 to 1450, and there are a variety of overdresses to choose from in that period. To my knowledge they are all full-length, so I wouldn't suggest going shorter. The body could be fitted (like the underdress), seen throughout this period (though details of the fitted silhouette change). It might be rather looser, as a basic gown -- rather like you describe above; this is not often seen in art, but it does show up in the 1380s or so, in English brasses. By the end of the 1300s that loose gown had morphed into the houppelande, which is very very full in the body (flaring from a closer fit at the shoulder). Sleeves range as well, usually tight with the tight bodies, and wide or bagged with the houppelandes, but sometimes done otherwise. The rare instances when you see the loose mid-width gown, it often has semi-wide sleeves that look rather like a modern blazer's in width and length, with the cuffs of the long underdress sleeves showing at the wrists. So yes, if you hunt, you can find some examples of a semi-fitted tunic-style gown with sleeves that come just a bit short of the wrist. But it's rare. One example I'm looking at is the brass of Marion Grevel, c. 1386, in Margaret Scott's _Visual History of Costume: The 14th and 15th centuries_. This one already has the high collar of the houppelande, and really looks like an early houppelande. I suspect you can find more examples of these mid-sized bodies and looser sleeves on middle-class rather than upper-class women. I don't have time to go hunting for you right now, but I would suggest you look at the health handbooks (Tacuinum Sanitatus); these are Lombardic with French influence. You might have a shot of finding "flowy" sleeves there too. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 01:13:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k365D5Sg002726 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 01:13:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k365Cv6L012874; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 01:13:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k365COrm080386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:12:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k365C7Ht014558; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:12:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k365C2PE014517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-212-23-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.212.23]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k365C0v9012495 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:12:02 +1000 Message-ID: <007501c65938$a256dc80$17d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:11:58 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Picture of Queen Mary I X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 01:13:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434A359.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi everyone, I've just come across a new picture the central portrait at the top of this page http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Documents/the_marriage_of_queen_mary.htm I'm interested because it's a side view of a French hood (and more portraits are always good) but I can't find a larger picture, has anybody else seen this portrait before and know where I can find a better picture of it? This website doesn't provide any details on where it is or who painted it, and from what I've read elsewhere on this site I think the images are all taken from the web so there's no chance of looking it up in a book. thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 03:14:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k367EQSH022129 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:14:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k367EIQF009201; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:14:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k367DxRA090314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 01:13:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k367DsHF093967; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 01:13:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web27306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web27306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k367DoNl093901 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 01:13:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 70031 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2006 07:13:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SuAGdNsDE1hNnjkJreLBDI00IjVTE/TcDHricDgcBMoZJSEsnU8fmvgdCBGvxRHUWTTxmP3jKaPbP43/8bjWYuqtMZlHNNA0MoDCUGBGhGk/pv037Nm9oVrvbNJqmc4vxw0ZRDPWlbbut6fWfIXOsjr77WFvtKP2LN+5W178Y78= ; Message-ID: <20060406071345.70029.qmail@web27306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.117.11] by web27306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:13:45 BST Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:13:45 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Jean Hunnisett Dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 03:14:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434BFCA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi! Just to say 'Thanks' for all the suggestions for scaling the Elizabethan dress! I will certainly have a go! I can see the costume in my mind, black velvet with a pearl trim(I have seen a fabric for the contrast in the skirt, white with a black Elizabethan style pattern), white parlet, white ruff with a black edging (with more pearls!), and a black hat with a white feather! Better get on with it....! All the Best Jayne PS No doubt I'll be posting more questions! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 05:10:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369AMT1016443 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:10:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k369AB0N011060; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:10:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3699jBH099459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3699gmv065580; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:09:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3699d1R065543 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A9A848970076; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:04:40 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 02:09:46 -0700 Message-ID: <002201c65959$d9f08da0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <200604052240.25555.cathy@thyrsus.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3699d1R065543 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:10:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434DAF3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Oh, yes, a whole series.........sign me up! Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:40 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! On Wednesday 05 April 2006 1:42 pm, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Becky" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:19 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! > > > I'm near Harrisburg. I'm hoping to find someone close to chech in > > with about Ren dress making. > > Hi Becky--I live near Harrisburg, in York. I'd be more than happy to > help you drool over the book! I'm about 2 hours east of Harrisburg; Dianne is definitely closer. But for what it's worth, my copy arrived today. It truly is droolworthy--even though my real love is the Viking era! What spurred me to buy the book was the hope of enabling the authors' proposed next project--The Stuart Tailor. People able and willing to prepare works like these are to be encouraged. Viva Ninya and Jane, and their whole team! -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 05:12:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369C2hj016821 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:12:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k369BsXR025610; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:11:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369Bg0j099641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:11:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369BfAM066790; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:11:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369Bc3k066748 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:11:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A9D948A30076; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:05:29 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] need help with dress... Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 02:10:35 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c65959$f70243c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:11:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434DB5A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO What's a GFD? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of purplkat@optonline.net Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:40 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] need help with dress... Here is my problem: I have a GFD but want to put another layer on over top. Would it be appropriate to have something like a semi-fitted T-tunic dress over it? I am looking for something knee-length or longer with 'flowy' mid forearm length sleeves. Is there anything appropriate that I can make? I want to stay more in the same time period to the form-fitted GFD. Thanks Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 05:33:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369XDXW021976 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:33:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k369X49x023643; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:33:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369WSSU001234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:32:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369WPaD079737; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:32:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369WM5U079661 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:32:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k369WFZ24644.; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:32:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:32:15 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:31:58 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] book on Stuart costumes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k369WM5U079661 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:33:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434E050.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Sounds fantastic! Must look out for it. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> sherylnd@kc.rr.com 05/04/2006 23:53 >>> The following book review was in a recent Library Journal. I thought some of the list members might be interested. The book just came out. Sheryl N-D Ribeiro, Aileen. Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart England. Yale Univ. in assoc. with the Paul Mellon Centre for Studies in British Art. 2006. 387p. photogs. bibliog. index. ISBN 0-300-10999-7. $65. FINE ARTS _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 07:18:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36BITcj013748 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:18:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36BIKZO011796; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:18:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36BHmZ3009826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:17:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36BHfDx042564; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:17:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav16.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.88]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36BHaf2042532 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 04:17:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY101-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:17:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404135305.022a6430@surewest.net><01ce01c658d8$40ed6dc0$154d4e40@Stuckis> <200604052240.25555.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I'm well underway into making my first Renaissance garb. My daughter has chosen the portrait of Princess Elizabeth in the pink/orange dress. I'll post a diary somewhere when it's done. I have paid way more than I should have to gather all the correct fabrics and assessories. I plan on her wearing it for quite a while, too. When hers is done, I'll have to make myself one so we are in the same time frame. Since I'll be taking her with me at the same time, makes sense to me to be within reason on our garments. One thing about having to pay so much for all this stuff... I buy in bulk when I can. I'm all set to make a whole wardrobe one day. Now, How do I organize it all so I can find something. that is the next major task I need to get done one day soon. Any one able to come help me do that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! > On Wednesday 05 April 2006 1:42 pm, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Becky" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! >> >> > I'm near Harrisburg. I'm hoping to find someone close to chech in with >> > about Ren dress making. >> >> Hi Becky--I live near Harrisburg, in York. I'd be more than happy to help >> you drool over the book! > > I'm about 2 hours east of Harrisburg; Dianne is definitely closer. > > But for what it's worth, my copy arrived today. It truly is > droolworthy--even > though my real love is the Viking era! What spurred me to buy the book > was > the hope of enabling the authors' proposed next project--The Stuart > Tailor. > People able and willing to prepare works like these are to be encouraged. > Viva Ninya and Jane, and their whole team! > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." > --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 08:12:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36CCFjL022219 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:12:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36CC4fT007197; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:12:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36CBf1d014056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 06:11:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36CBdX5077846; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 06:11:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36CBX1E077777 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 06:11:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.168] (pm5-168.eos.net [205.133.149.168]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k36CBVhB012089 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:11:31 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:59:03 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200604060039.k360cxXS023422@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: bliaut X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:12:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44350594.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Derdere: It looks great in the photo. Also, although I don't read Dutch, I had no trouble following the site and understanding what you did. I do have one practical question. The silk you used seems to be very light. Do you think that the bliauts of the time were made of such light silk? Would it have been warm enough for clothing when there was no central heating? Is the skirt heavy enough to stay down, or does it "float" up? But I am not criticizing! It looks great, and you look great in it! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 09:53:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36Dr0e5027318 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:53:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36DqqxG014131; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:52:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36Dq2JW041784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36DptLE049667; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:51:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net (smtp5.suscom.net [64.78.83.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36DpnkW049503 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:51:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102B05100FA for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21210-01-9 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5922B5100FE for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006b01c65981$8125f700$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404135305.022a6430@surewest.net><01ce01c658d8$40ed6dc0$154d4e40@Stuckis><200604052240.25555.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! > I'm well underway into making my first Renaissance garb. My daughter has > chosen the portrait of Princess Elizabeth in the pink/orange dress. I'll > post a diary somewhere when it's done. I have paid way more than I should > have to gather all the correct fabrics and assessories. I plan on her > wearing it for quite a while, too. When hers is done, I'll have to make > myself one so we are in the same time frame. Since I'll be taking her with > me at the same time, makes sense to me to be within reason on our > garments. > One thing about having to pay so much for all this stuff... I buy in bulk > when I can. I'm all set to make a whole wardrobe one day. Now, How do I > organize it all so I can find something. that is the next major task I > need to get done one day soon. > Any one able to come help me do that? Organize? ORGANIZE? (runs away screaming) Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 09:54:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36DsOX7027362 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:54:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36DsFYC012524; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:54:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36DrdVW042119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:53:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36Drc5a051060; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:53:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36DrXXH051002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:53:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-212-23-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.212.23]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k36DrVkQ031992 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:53:32 +1000 Message-ID: <004501c65981$7ecd6100$17d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404135305.022a6430@surewest.net><01ce01c658d8$40ed6dc0$154d4e40@Stuckis><200604052240.25555.cathy@thyrsus.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:53:32 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Organising the fabric stash (was Re: My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:54:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44351D87.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I'm all set to make a whole wardrobe one day. Now, How do I > organize it all so I can find something. that is the next major task I > need to get done one day soon. > Any one able to come help me do that? try http://seworganized.com/index.shtml I know there's another page out there written by a guy in the SCA about how he organised his fabric stash but I can't find it so I'll summarise. Basically he put all his fabric in boxes and had index cards with a sample of the fabric, and it's details (e.g. how much of the fabric there was, fibre content, price, if it was intended for a specific project etc) in a separate box so he could put his fabric in storage but still know what he had and where to find it without going through his entire stash. Aha! A search through the H-cost archives turned up this message http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/index.cgi?l=ALL&s=stash&Cmd=Match+9 and although the link in that message seems to be broken a web search for the author's name turned up this http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/Fnd-Tme-2-Sew-art.rtf Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 10:08:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36E8PSu027770 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:08:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36E8HhL026550; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:08:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36E7mAc043782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:07:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36E7lK3063357; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:07:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36E7hF6063285 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:07:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m232.in-tch.com [216.166.191.232]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k36DwXA08853 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003401c65984$7f2f4fc0$e8bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002301c65959$f70243c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] need help with dress... 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Gothic Fitted Gown (or, alternately, "GFD," for Gothic Fitted Dress)....that ubiquitous dress found, uhm, roughly from late 13th century through the 15th on many European women (that's a REALLY rough time frame). They tend to have a snug fit from the shoulders to the hips, at which point they widen into full skirts. Necklines vary with time and style. Sleeves often close-fitting. If done properly, these gowns can actually function admirably as a support for one's, uhm, feminine charms ;o). Even work with a very large bust (personal experience--I'm REALLY large chested, and the girls don't *move* in one of them AND I can still breathe...it's amazing). Most often made in a good, flexible wool fabric like gabardine, and lined with a sturdy linen, but other fashion fabrics have been used. Wool and linen just make a marvelous team for them... Often known as "cotehardies" in costuming texts, but they're really, more properly, only the first of one's outer layers. (Think shift, then gown, and then another layer--another gown, or a surcoat, or a houpelande.) In the original post, the author's asking about appropriate outer layers to go over her gown. Does that help? or just confuse? Fitted gowns are an off-and-on again topic on the list, not in the least because we've got Robin, who's done a lot of research on them, and a lot of teaching and lecturing on them as well. --Sue, in "will it ever stop raining, yes I KNOW it's April" Montana ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:10 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] need help with dress... > What's a GFD? > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of purplkat@optonline.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:40 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] need help with dress... > > > Here is my problem: > > I have a GFD but want to put another layer on over top. > > Would it be appropriate to have something like a semi-fitted T-tunic dress > over it? I am looking for something knee-length or longer with 'flowy' mid > forearm length sleeves. > > Is there anything appropriate that I can make? I want to stay more in the > same time period to the form-fitted GFD. > > Thanks > Katheryne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 10:24:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EOjB5028289 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:24:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36EObwF007842; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:24:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EOFG5045777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:24:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EOBpi078055; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:24:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EO8NM077983 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:24:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=lVF5oidtQKxY6dGhb6BhvXjlEzH7EuIbRH1hdrHJHzjGpa8N43HjqJYZHGVeZ6KM; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.57.31] (helo=HELENPINTO) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FRVP3-0006EU-Pd for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:24:07 -0400 Message-ID: <006101c65985$bc5cf950$1f399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007501c65938$a256dc80$17d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of Queen Mary I Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:23:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b71e4c5b06cac567df70b0782981fbb9a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.31 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:24:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443524A5.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Elizabeth wrote: > I've just come across a new picture the central portrait at the top of > this page > http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Documents/the_marriage_of_queen_mary.htm I'm > interested because it's a side view of a French hood (and more portraits > are always good) but I can't find a larger picture, has anybody else seen > this portrait before and know where I can find a better picture of it? > This website doesn't provide any details on where it is or who painted it, > and from what I've read elsewhere on this site I think the images are all > taken from the web so there's no chance of looking it up in a book. This is a small panel portrait by an anonymous artist of the English school held at the Denver Art Museum in the Berger Collection. A somewhat larger version can be found here: http://www.bridgeman.co.uk/search/view_image2.asp?image_id=119972 This link will take you directly to the image in the museum collection: http://www.bergercollection.org/artwork_detail.php?i=37 You can enlarge it, but the resolution is very fuzzy. Good luck, -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 10:39:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EdxUb028745 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:39:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36EdpSa023437; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:39:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EbhNa047553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:37:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EbfXt090598; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:37:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EbbiE090461 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:37:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1389.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.111]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AA1319124 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:37:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:37:32 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bliaut References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060406143731.B5AA1319124@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:39:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44352837.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO The silk is very thin but it is warmer than I expected. I don't think it will float up. It tends to kling a bit to the underdress probably because of the pleating. On 17 April I will be wearing the dress. It should be spring but the weather is still cold so I will find out if the dress will be warm enough... Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >Derdere: > >It looks great in the photo. Also, although I don't read Dutch, I had no >trouble following the site and understanding what you did. > >I do have one practical question. The silk you used seems to be very light. >Do you think that the bliauts of the time were made of such light silk? >Would it have been warm enough for clothing when there was no central >heating? Is the skirt heavy enough to stay down, or does it "float" up? > >But I am not criticizing! It looks great, and you look great in it! > >Gail Finke > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 10:42:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36Eg4ps028790 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:42:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36Efu3a017487; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:41:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EfZdN048176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:41:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EfXX2094176; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:41:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EfO9s094027 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:41:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=NsyR9GVdeu7iR1f5GmL1DghDCfvYZhM19P5YDqaLA7M+P13APWJIPZAbsgH5pJJC; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.30] (helo=mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FRVfn-0003AH-UE for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:41:24 -0400 Message-ID: <19326335.1144334483906.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:41:23 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII movie question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a464876e473fbe94f9282bea8df71845552601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.30 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:41:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443528B4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I saw the film of A Man for All Seasons when it first came out; subsequently I was in a production of the play, at my college, in the role of Lady Alice More. Then, a few years later, I saw the film again. I found the film enormously moving (both times) and the play even more so. I saw the film long before I had much idea of genuine period clothing, but I remember the costuming as rich, textured, and appropriate to the characters. I haven't seen the film in many years so can't update that impression. Paul Scofield was, I thought, great; opposite Wendy Hiller (Alice), who could ask for anything more. Was this the film where Vanessa Redgrave played Anne Boleyn? She is forevermore my image of Anne--that eagerness in her face is still with me. What the play has that the film lacks is a character called The Common Man--a protean who takes a number of the small roles and also narrates to the audience. In his minor roles he greases the wheels of the catastrophe in the course of protecting his own interests: hence the chill of his last line to the audience, "Remember me." What the film has that the play lacks is gorgeous, gorgeous scenery. (and of course Scofield!) This is a play by one of England's great latter-20th-c playwrights, Robert Bolt. The text is drawn partly from More's writings and is uniformly vivid in its use of language, as well as thought-provoking and reasonably responsible historically. I would say that the film is DEFINITELY worth seeing, even though, as I suggest above, I can't vouch for the historical accuracy of the costuming beyond saying that More's family's clothing in the Holbein portraits matches my recollection of More's family's clothing in the film. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Diana Habra >Sent: Apr 5, 2006 8:33 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII movie question > > >> Hey all, >> >> I am thinking of getting a movie, A Man For All Seasons >> (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060665/), to watch while I am working on my >> Henrician gown. Our Henry VIII faires are often set during the marriage >> question. But I have never seen the movie. Is it worth getting? How is the >> storyline? How good/bad are the costumes? Is my money better spent on a >> different movie of a similar time frame? > >One of my early favorites is "Anne of the Thousand Days". The costumes >are pretty good, the story is entertaining if it isn't strictly true. > >This has been a favorite of mine for years. Then I tried to watch "A Man >for All Seasons" and didn't like it much. > >Another great Tudor style movie is "Lady Jane". AWESOME costumes if not a >little later than you are portraying. Early Helena Bonham Carter and Cary >Elwes. Also has Patrick Stewart. > >Diana > >www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >"Everything for the Costumer" > >"Become the change you want to see in the world." >--Ghandi > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 11:17:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36FHrWt029767 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:17:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36FHjG5000833; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:17:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36FH15S053172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:17:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36FGt58028552; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:16:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36FGnsZ028351 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:16:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2af.158a941 (15974) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r12 (mblk-r12.mblk.aol.com [152.163.211.203]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID101-3e66443530d93ac; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:16:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:16:45 -0400 Message-Id: <8C827A4408AB4B2-1E2C-24F9@mblk-r12.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <040520062009.26378.443423FC000B2A560000670A22007636929C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by mblk-r12.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.203) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:16:45 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <040520062009.26378.443423FC000B2A560000670A22007636929C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17114 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.203 X-Spam-Flag: NO Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:17:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44353119.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I agree with you it is just fantastic. theresa -----Original Message----- From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Sent: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:09:32 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut It is a lovely dress. I wish I could read Dutch so I could make a dress just like this. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Deredere Galbraith > Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. > Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool > http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 11:19:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36FJXDi029798 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:19:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36FJPIa021647; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:19:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36FIwj5053385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:18:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36FItJ6030494; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:18:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36FIn4x030308 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:18:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.141.58f3edf6 (16111) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r12 (mblk-r12.mblk.aol.com [152.163.211.203]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID123-3eef4435314c11a; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:18:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:18:39 -0400 Message-Id: <8C827A484B1F442-1E2C-2523@mblk-r12.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <31d.1ac1a50.31658b27@aol.com> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by mblk-r12.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.203) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:18:39 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <31d.1ac1a50.31658b27@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17114 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.203 X-Spam-Flag: NO Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:19:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4435317D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Nancy would you please post the picture I am very much interested in seeing it. thanks theresa -----Original Message----- From: MaddNancy@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:05:43 EDT Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut While in Angers recently I saw a great statue of a woman wearing a bliaut. The picture I took shows the lacing on the side. Since this isn't my time period, I don't know is this is well known statue or not. If people are interested, please let me know. Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 14:05:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36I5QDY002453 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:05:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36I5HdV002995; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:05:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36I48j9077836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:04:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36I41u5088544; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:04:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36I3rFf088325 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:03:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1bb.17c244f (4539) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:02:49 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <1bb.17c244f.3166b1c9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:02:49 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:05:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4435585D.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I have uploaded the pictures to an album named bliaut. I hope they help. Most of the cathedral was built in the 12th and 13th centuries. If you ever get the chance, I really recommend visiting Angers. The cathedral is very nice, and the chateau is really lovely. It also has the wonderful Apocalypse Tapestry! http://pictures.aol.com/ap/myAlbums.do?albumId=48138.968.1144345462753.1 Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 15:12:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36JCmDD004157 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:12:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36JCeBp023730; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:12:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36JBmTN089184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36JBhME052693; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:11:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36JBabm052544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:11:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FRZtE-0004w5-8e; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:11:32 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:11:32 -0400 Message-ID: <20060406151132.2b2al0jn8cscocow@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:11:32 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Quoting MaddNancy@aol.com: > I have uploaded the pictures to an album named bliaut. I hope they help. > Most of the cathedral was built in the 12th and 13th centuries. > > If you ever get the chance, I really recommend visiting Angers. The > cathedral is very nice, and the chateau is really lovely. It also > has the wonderful > Apocalypse Tapestry! > > http://pictures.aol.com/ap/myAlbums.do?albumId=48138.968.1144345462753.1 It tells me I have to log on to see them. Am I just *special* today? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 15:43:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36JhvmK004908 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:43:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36JhmWe016047; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:43:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36JfAca093574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:41:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36Jf8v4078804; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:41:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.unr.edu (gw2.unr.edu [134.197.1.109]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36Jf4K8078734 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:41:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from daniel@fenwick.sparks.nv.us) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.unr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F66140320 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.unr.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gw2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16983-01-98 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wrb2006alaptop (wrb2006a-laptop.ed.unr.edu [134.197.92.150]) by smtp.unr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5269A140362 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:38:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel Fenwick" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:40:40 -0700 Message-ID: <002a01c659b1$fcdcf3a0$965cc586@unr.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060406151132.2b2al0jn8cscocow@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Thread-Index: AcZZrgIJPEhe8zqSS7K1PSCMC4uZvwAA9j2w X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at mailserver.unr.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:43:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44356F74.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > > I have uploaded the pictures to an album named bliaut. I > hope they help. > > Most of the cathedral was built in the 12th and 13th centuries. > > > > If you ever get the chance, I really recommend visiting > Angers. The > > cathedral is very nice, and the chateau is really lovely. > It also has > > the wonderful Apocalypse Tapestry! > > > > > http://pictures.aol.com/ap/myAlbums.do?albumId=48138.968.1144345462753 > > .1 > > It tells me I have to log on to see them. Am I just *special* today? Susan, No, I'm in the same boat. And once you log in (assuming you have some kind of AOL sign-on) it will take you to your own album space rather than hers. I haven't found a way to find the images on AOL's system. Dan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 20:54:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k370sZEC013046 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:54:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k370sR8w020469; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:54:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k370rhFD046844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:53:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k370rWIx054658; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k370rPIm054567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-216-176-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.216.176]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k370rFM0021690 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:53:24 +1000 Message-ID: <008601c659dd$ab716e20$b0d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007501c65938$a256dc80$17d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> <006101c65985$bc5cf950$1f399b04@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of Queen Mary I Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:53:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:54:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4435B843.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > This is a small panel portrait by an anonymous artist of the English > school held at the Denver Art Museum in the Berger Collection. A somewhat > larger version can be found here: > http://www.bridgeman.co.uk/search/view_image2.asp?image_id=119972 > > This link will take you directly to the image in the museum collection: > http://www.bergercollection.org/artwork_detail.php?i=37 You can enlarge > it, but the resolution is very fuzzy. > > Good luck, > > -Helen/Aidan Thanks for that, especially the second one (I didn't get any problems with fuzziness, though you've got to give it a few moments to clear up when you zoom) That French hood is certainly interesting, if you zoom in to the area at the bottom of her ear you can see that the black band at the front is laid over an 'ordinary' French Hood coz you can just see the end of her jewelled blimmet sticking out from the bottom plus you can also see a white band going underneath her jaw. The other interesting point is I think the back blimmet might curve under at the back of her neck, which makes me wonder how far it extends towards the back of her neck and whether perhaps it helps to keep it on and maybe it extends all the way across. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 21:53:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k371rhta016362 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:53:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k371rZbB019260; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:53:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k371r6AM052514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:53:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k371r5eo097535; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:53:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k371r19Y097480 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:53:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A4D1244D02CC; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 01:48:01 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] need help with dress... 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k371r19Y097480 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:53:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4435C61F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Thanks. In college, our costume teacher made one on the bias. She had the actress lay down on the fabric and traced around her. I wish I'd examined it more closely. Would bias have been period, or was it just theatrical license? The dress moved beautifully. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:15 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] need help with dress... Gothic Fitted Gown (or, alternately, "GFD," for Gothic Fitted Dress)....that ubiquitous dress found, uhm, roughly from late 13th century through the 15th on many European women (that's a REALLY rough time frame). They tend to have a snug fit from the shoulders to the hips, at which point they widen into full skirts. Necklines vary with time and style. Sleeves often close-fitting. If done properly, these gowns can actually function admirably as a support for one's, uhm, feminine charms ;o). Even work with a very large bust (personal experience--I'm REALLY large chested, and the girls don't *move* in one of them AND I can still breathe...it's amazing). Most often made in a good, flexible wool fabric like gabardine, and lined with a sturdy linen, but other fashion fabrics have been used. Wool and linen just make a marvelous team for them... Often known as "cotehardies" in costuming texts, but they're really, more properly, only the first of one's outer layers. (Think shift, then gown, and then another layer--another gown, or a surcoat, or a houpelande.) In the original post, the author's asking about appropriate outer layers to go over her gown. Does that help? or just confuse? Fitted gowns are an off-and-on again topic on the list, not in the least because we've got Robin, who's done a lot of research on them, and a lot of teaching and lecturing on them as well. --Sue, in "will it ever stop raining, yes I KNOW it's April" Montana ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:10 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] need help with dress... > What's a GFD? > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of purplkat@optonline.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:40 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] need help with dress... > > > Here is my problem: > > I have a GFD but want to put another layer on over top. > > Would it be appropriate to have something like a semi-fitted T-tunic > dress over it? I am looking for something knee-length or longer with > 'flowy' mid forearm length sleeves. > > Is there anything appropriate that I can make? I want to stay more in > the same time period to the form-fitted GFD. > > Thanks > Katheryne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 21:58:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k371waGM016471 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:58:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k371wS2I021865; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:58:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k371vwmH053023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:57:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k371vtYY001505; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:57:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k371vqNX001455 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:57:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5F498B043A; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 01:52:52 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Picture of Queen Mary I Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:57:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c659e6$b26a5120$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008601c659dd$ab716e20$b0d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k371vqNX001455 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:58:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4435C744.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I find it interesting that you can clearly see a cord/tie that goes under her chin to keep it on. I always thought they just balanced. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:53 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of Queen Mary I > This is a small panel portrait by an anonymous artist of the English > school held at the Denver Art Museum in the Berger Collection. A somewhat > larger version can be found here: > http://www.bridgeman.co.uk/search/view_image2.asp?image_id=119972 > > This link will take you directly to the image in the museum collection: > http://www.bergercollection.org/artwork_detail.php?i=37 You can enlarge > it, but the resolution is very fuzzy. > > Good luck, > > -Helen/Aidan Thanks for that, especially the second one (I didn't get any problems with fuzziness, though you've got to give it a few moments to clear up when you zoom) That French hood is certainly interesting, if you zoom in to the area at the bottom of her ear you can see that the black band at the front is laid over an 'ordinary' French Hood coz you can just see the end of her jewelled blimmet sticking out from the bottom plus you can also see a white band going underneath her jaw. The other interesting point is I think the back blimmet might curve under at the back of her neck, which makes me wonder how far it extends towards the back of her neck and whether perhaps it helps to keep it on and maybe it extends all the way across. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 22:07:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3727gYS016677 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:07:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3727Ysb027068; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:07:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3727GMw053911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:07:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3727FJe009140; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:07:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3727CM0009055 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01485 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:40:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:40:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000001c659e6$057df9d0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Subject: [h-cost] GFD, was: need help with dress... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:07:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4435C967.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > Thanks. In college, our costume teacher made one on the bias. She had > the actress lay down on the fabric and traced around her. I wish I'd > examined it more closely. Would bias have been period, or was it just > theatrical license? The dress moved beautifully. Definitely theatrical license. I've seen absolutely no evidence for that sort of cut in the Middle Ages. Plus, if you want the dress actually to support you and manipulate your figure (rather than just clinging to what's already there) you need the strength of straight grain at crucial points. There's some information about this dress, including likely constructions, on my not-quite-a-webpage: http://www.netherton.net/robin . Look for the .pdf "FAQ" and the collection of previous h-cost posts. Sue saved me a lot of work by answering your earlier question! Only one slight fix to her excellent summary: > Gothic Fitted Gown (or, alternately, "GFD," for Gothic Fitted > Dress)....that ubiquitous dress found, uhm, roughly from late 13th > century through the 15th on many European women (that's a REALLY rough > time frame). More like mid-14th to mid-15th centuries, I'd say. I think I'm to blame for the term "gothic fitted dress," which was a generic I came up with to deal with the terminology problem (there are many terms used for this general category of dress in the period, varying by time and place, and the terms used by modern costumers are often not the ones used in the period). It coincides with the style art historians call "International Gothic," its key feature is that it's fitted, and it's a dress. It was people on this list who began abbreviating it as GFD, which I would never have anticipated! It was at the Chicago CostumeCon that someone from this list came up to me while I was in costume, and said "A GFD! It's a BFD!" Fortunately she was grinning. (For our non-American readers, "BFD" is an abbreviation for a phrase that begins with "big" and ends with "deal.") --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 7 00:13:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k374DavD019401 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:13:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k374DSE0027222; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:13:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k374CcPV068028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:12:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k374CUxo000207; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:12:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k374CPoB099958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:12:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k375wqRp028879 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 01:58:53 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Thursday 06 April 2006 7:17 am, Becky wrote: > I'm well underway into making my first Renaissance garb. My daughter has > chosen the portrait of Princess Elizabeth in the pink/orange dress. I'll > post a diary somewhere when it's done. I have paid way more than I should > have to gather all the correct fabrics and assessories. I plan on her > wearing it for quite a while, too. When hers is done, I'll have to make > myself one so we are in the same time frame. Since I'll be taking her with > me at the same time, makes sense to me to be within reason on our garments. > One thing about having to pay so much for all this stuff... I buy in bulk > when I can. I'm all set to make a whole wardrobe one day. Now, How do I > organize it all so I can find something. that is the next major task I need > to get done one day soon. > Any one able to come help me do that? Ah, Becky, if I could only organize my *own* stuff, I'd be ahead of the game. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 7 11:47:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37Fl3QI004059 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:47:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k37Fkt46025223; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:46:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37FjiWW046817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:45:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37FjNAl093152; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:45:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37FjHet092959 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.31a.20aea12 (16111) for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r21 (mblk-r21.mblk.aol.com [152.163.211.212]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID123-3eef4436890258; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:45:06 -0400 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:45:09 -0400 Message-Id: <8C8287162CFE5BA-18A4-6162@mblk-r21.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <1bb.17c244f.3166b1c9@aol.com> <20060406151132.2b2al0jn8cscocow@www.goldsword.com> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by mblk-r21.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.212) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:45:09 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <20060406151132.2b2al0jn8cscocow@www.goldsword.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17114 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.212 X-Spam-Flag: NO Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:46:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4436896F.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO No Susan it tells me I have no pictures in aol theresa -----Original Message----- From: Susan B. Farmer To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:11:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut Quoting MaddNancy@aol.com: > I have uploaded the pictures to an album named bliaut. I hope they help. > Most of the cathedral was built in the 12th and 13th centuries. > > If you ever get the chance, I really recommend visiting Angers. The > cathedral is very nice, and the chateau is really lovely. It also > has the wonderful > Apocalypse Tapestry! > > http://pictures.aol.com/ap/myAlbums.do?albumId=48138.968.1144345462753.1 It tells me I have to log on to see them. Am I just *special* today? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 7 12:45:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37GjLLQ005202 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:45:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k37GjDQv014075; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:45:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37GgPSb055261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:42:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37Gg4PL038899; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37GfnsQ038620 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:41:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm26.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CD03FD08 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:41:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20060407094147.6D80EDCE@resin01.mta.everyone.net> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:41:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joannah Hansen" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO <---zeartiste@hotmail.com wrote: < Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37Md8xe012359 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:39:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k37Md0n6021737; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:39:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37MbPfv015748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:37:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37MbIdP035936; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:37:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav2.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37MbEqA035818 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:37:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:37:09 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 22:37:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404135305.022a6430@surewest.net><01ce01c658d8$40ed6dc0$154d4e40@Stuckis> <200604052240.25555.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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Status: RO Today I recieved a lesser quality made dress-up gown of Elizabethan era. My daughter tried it on at the fair last year and wanted it so badly. I had no more money then so we didn't get it. I found the same thing online and ordered it when I did get the money. It's a velour type fabric with attached collar that stands up. She'll love playing dress-up in it until I can finish her Princess Elizabeth costume. I cut the pin fabric tomorrow!!!!! I am waiting to cut the velvet sleeves until I can make a mock-up of it BEFORE cuutting that fabaulour fabric I found. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! > On Wednesday 05 April 2006 1:42 pm, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Becky" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! >> >> > I'm near Harrisburg. I'm hoping to find someone close to chech in with >> > about Ren dress making. >> >> Hi Becky--I live near Harrisburg, in York. I'd be more than happy to help >> you drool over the book! > > I'm about 2 hours east of Harrisburg; Dianne is definitely closer. > > But for what it's worth, my copy arrived today. It truly is > droolworthy--even > though my real love is the Viking era! What spurred me to buy the book > was > the hope of enabling the authors' proposed next project--The Stuart > Tailor. > People able and willing to prepare works like these are to be encouraged. > Viva Ninya and Jane, and their whole team! > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." > --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:33:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NXn94014276 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:33:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38NXfs0008440; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:33:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NX647088731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:33:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NWol5046347; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:32:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36HOXP1051625 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:24:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29518 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:57:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:57:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "Patterns of Fashion" award X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:33:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44384855.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Someone mentioned this to me: http://www.costumesociety.org.uk/newstuff/Awards/patterns.html Deadline April 30, but there are so many people here who use these books, the winning piece might be in an h-costumer's closet already. The hitch: If I read this right you have to be a student in a costume/fashion-related line of study (full or part time). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:35:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NZj9E014305 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:35:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38NZbDT024498; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:35:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NZQSr089092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:35:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NZPk6048250; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:35:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36JH7k5057341 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:17:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58CBCA684C for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:16:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4435693B.9030401@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:17:15 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut References: <1bb.17c244f.3166b1c9@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1bb.17c244f.3166b1c9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:35:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443848C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO MaddNancy@aol.com wrote: > I have uploaded the pictures to an album named bliaut. I hope they help. > Most of the cathedral was built in the 12th and 13th centuries. > > > http://pictures.aol.com/ap/myAlbums.do?albumId=48138.968.1144345462753.1 I don't think AOL is allowing that album to be shared. I even logged in with my AOL account and it won't let me see them. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:36:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NaK6f014312 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:36:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38NaCFf009751; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:36:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38Na0d2089257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:36:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38Na0aZ048764; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:36:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36MqgvC056570 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:52:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.13f.279d2e52 (15699) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-D11 (fwm-d11.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.203]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID51-3d5344359bb01c4; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:52:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:52:34 -0400 Message-Id: <8C827E3ED781CA1-144C-7BE1@FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200604061408.k36E7lFa063365@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.203) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:52:34 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200604061408.k36E7lFa063365@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17114 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.160.203 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: organizing (was: My copy of the Tudor Tailor arrived!) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:36:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443848EC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'll come help organize your stash if you come help organize mine! :) Tea Rose Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:17:32 -0400 From: "Becky" Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! To: "Historical Costume" Now, How do I organize it all so I can find something. that is the next major task I need to get done one day soon. Any one able to come help me do that? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:36:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38Nar0G014324 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:36:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38Najfw002288; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:36:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NaVWC089377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:36:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NaUYD049274; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:36:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k373En1d057713 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:14:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m10.in-tch.com [216.166.191.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3735dA02663 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:05:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001001c659f2$74192340$0abfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD, was: need help with dress... 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Status: RO I went early on that, thinking of those gowns in the Manesse Codex, which I think are early 14th? late 13th? I seem to have tagged them in my own mind as sort of proto-GFD's because of the sleeves, but of course, the gowns themselves not very close-fitting.... --Sue, pulling out the old "blame it on a lack of caffeine" excuse ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] GFD, was: need help with dress... > Sue saved me a lot of work by answering your earlier question! Only one > slight fix to her excellent summary: > > > Gothic Fitted Gown (or, alternately, "GFD," for Gothic Fitted > > Dress)....that ubiquitous dress found, uhm, roughly from late 13th > > century through the 15th on many European women (that's a REALLY rough > > time frame). > > More like mid-14th to mid-15th centuries, I'd say. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:37:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38Nb8ZZ014330 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:37:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38Nb0UW019323; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:37:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NaD6v089314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:36:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NaB9e048969; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:36:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k371B6SJ067558 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:11:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from galadrielfinwe@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 30773 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2006 01:10:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dYQ3hRs/fqzTSgDaG2V3WfIbNqPZ0nv68bkTrVo2mWnQfuDr57a9K9Py+iAaBEr/nifcaIoEdGbaoGyftN/128lETaPWlB65u+kf0NI0XvgrkxcjoU/RyzJm0VvSBrToTOZ9kWVgdpddPSTrTC2Y1zA7lsDQHgNHBuT3kE+t1dA= ; Message-ID: <20060407011057.30771.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.85.5.212] by web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:10:57 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:10:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Galadriel Lothlorien To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200604050152.k351qpTc064393@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Wool Disaster!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:37:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4438491C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A cashmere(?) knit, silk-lined Valentino coat was brought into my shop today. A very sweet old lady's maid had tried to wash it for her. Suffice it to say, the coat is now 15" shorter than the lining!! It hasn't been dried, and is still damp. ANYONE have any suggestions? We were thinking of keeping it wet and trying to stretch it out as best we can using some weights (chain?). Obviously the garment is a loss if it doesn't work so we're welcome to try any method at all to make it any better... because we can't make it much worse! I'm just not sure if the fact that it's knit makes it any more possible to save. Thanks, --Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:40:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NeVQi014405 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:40:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38NeNYF011895; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:40:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NdgxH090188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:39:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NdfW9052159; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:39:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37LkwLI091881 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FRynB-0006Fj-6d for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:46:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:45:21 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of Queen Mary I References: <008601c659dd$ab716e20$b0d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> <000101c659e6$b26a5120$0200a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: <000101c659e6$b26a5120$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:40:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443849E7.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My research on gable hoods suggested that gables just balance, but french hoods usually tie. I didn't find any gables where you could clearly see a tie, but it's quite common with french hoods. I like that, when I looked at the small image I thought the hood seemed to have a round bag at the back, but with more detail you can see it is a falling veil, just painted a bit lighter than the part closest to her head. Jean Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote >I find it interesting that you can clearly see a cord/tie that goes under >her chin to keep it on. I always thought they just balanced. > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole >Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:53 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of Queen Mary I > > > >> This is a small panel portrait by an anonymous artist of the English >> school held at the Denver Art Museum in the Berger Collection. A somewhat > >> larger version can be found here: >> http://www.bridgeman.co.uk/search/view_image2.asp?image_id=119972 >> >> This link will take you directly to the image in the museum collection: >> http://www.bergercollection.org/artwork_detail.php?i=37 You can enlarge >> it, but the resolution is very fuzzy. >> >> Good luck, >> >> -Helen/Aidan > >Thanks for that, especially the second one (I didn't get any problems with >fuzziness, though you've got to give it a few moments to clear up when you >zoom) That French hood is certainly interesting, if you zoom in to the area >at the bottom of her ear you can see that the black band at the front is >laid over an 'ordinary' French Hood coz you can just see the end of her >jewelled blimmet sticking out from the bottom plus you can also see a white >band going underneath her jaw. The other interesting point is I think the >back blimmet might curve under at the back of her neck, which makes me >wonder how far it extends towards the back of her neck and whether perhaps >it helps to keep it on and maybe it extends all the way across. Elizabeth >-------------------------------------------- >Elizabeth Walpole >Canberra Australia >ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au >http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:41:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38Nf3UD014415 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:41:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38Netu0024912; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:40:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NdKKt090032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NdJdi051799; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:39:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37IBOjd015603 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:11:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EB051C16 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060407110913.03aac330@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:11:27 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Picture of Queen Mary I In-Reply-To: <000101c659e6$b26a5120$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <008601c659dd$ab716e20$b0d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> <000101c659e6$b26a5120$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:40:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44384A07.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 06:57 PM 4/6/2006, you wrote: >I find it interesting that you can clearly see a cord/tie that goes under >her chin to keep it on. I always thought they just balanced. There are several images of women wearing French hoods where you can see the ties. I have a number of images on my French hood research site http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/index.html I have a few of Queen Mary as well, and the ones on the coins clearly show the ties. I need to scan a few more of her from my books, but I have a number of images online, and they are broken down by decade so you can see the progression. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:41:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NfXn8014436 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:41:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38NfP6X004051; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:41:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38Nf9aw090555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:41:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38Nf9Y5053672; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:41:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38GOnVH047396 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:24:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93DB3B62B for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:24:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:25:03 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] curtains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:41:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44384A25.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Am I the only one who goes shopping for new curtains thinking, "And when I get tired of these I can use them for costumes!" ? LOL! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:41:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NfvHx014443 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:41:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38Nfo6J019623; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:41:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NfY3n090621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:41:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NfWsK054004; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:41:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38JRxWG085880 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:28:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.82]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060408192750.MKMD29276.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 14:27:50 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060408142713.028f1890@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:27:49 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:41:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44384A3E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My copy arrived here in Arkansas today. Excellent book! Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 20:55:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k390t5BM016157 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:55:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k390svNS019588; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:55:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k390scxg096857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:54:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k390sYGA099335; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:54:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k390sUsI099240 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:54:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.22d.99a6435 (16100) for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID114-3ee444385b3b15; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:54:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4435693B.9030401@reddawn.net> References: <1bb.17c244f.3166b1c9@aol.com> <4435693B.9030401@reddawn.net> Message-Id: <636ddc1a64a734994405010dd9e2f8a0@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:54:17 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:55:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44385B61.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO AOL is not letting me access your photos, either. Susan "My treasures do not clink together or glitter, they gleam in the sun and neigh in the night." Bedouin proverb On Apr 6, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Dawn wrote: > MaddNancy@aol.com wrote: > >> I have uploaded the pictures to an album named bliaut. I hope they >> help. Most of the cathedral was built in the 12th and 13th >> centuries. >> > >> >> http://pictures.aol.com/ap/myAlbums.do? >> albumId=48138.968.1144345462753.1 > > I don't think AOL is allowing that album to be shared. I even logged > in with my AOL account and it won't let me see them. > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 20:56:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k390uGub016181 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:56:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k390u8SU030436; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:56:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k390ttrD096931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:55:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k390tsrC000239; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:55:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k390tpP6000109 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.306.24873f5 (16111) for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID123-3eef44385b8c240; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:55:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net> References: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net> Message-Id: <9e852c493943447030433f3443b4fa27@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:55:38 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:56:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44385BA8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k390uGub016181 Status: RO NO ! Absolutely not! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 8, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Dawn wrote: > Am I the only one who goes shopping for new curtains thinking, "And > when I get tired of these I can use them for costumes!" ? > > LOL! > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 21:10:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391AiOC016454 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:10:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k391AaSY027931; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:10:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391ADXv098204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:10:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391AAGq009315; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391A7M2009216 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:10:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.36b.19a538e (29673) for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <36b.19a538e.3169b8e5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:09:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:10:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44385F0C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/8/2006 8:56:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pasovasz@aol.com writes: Am I the only one who goes shopping for new curtains thinking, "And > when I get tired of these I can use them for costumes!" I just buy curtains to make costumes in the first place--Indian cotton sheers make great Regency-era dresses. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 23:13:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k393DGHS019760 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:13:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k393D7c6023353; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:13:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k393CW7Q011735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:12:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k393COD0084629; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:12:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k393CLga084553 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:12:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5FD3B62B for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:12:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44387BB6.9030906@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:12:54 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains References: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net> <012301c65b75$ef787cf0$5df0f4dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <012301c65b75$ef787cf0$5df0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 23:13:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44387BC4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > > but it's really hard to get curtains without rubber backing (unless you > make them yourself but that's time you could be spending on garb) > Elizabeth Here in the US they come without rubber backings, and I saw quite a number of "velvets" and "brocades" at a home store Friday. Ended up with lovely (polyester) matelasse panels for the bedroom. No rubber backs. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 23:41:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k393fP5D020623 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:41:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k393fHH0005716; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:41:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k393eqOo013859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:40:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k393eovq001066; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:40:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k393ektN001035 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:40:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C71DA33EBB for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:40:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] curtains Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:40:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 23:41:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4438825D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO No, but if I go to the goodwill store or salvation army store I look for curtains thinking these might work well for a costume. The way my house looks inside and out, just doesn't work well with formal or fancy that could be used later for any costumes. 1970s style house. De -----Original Message----- Am I the only one who goes shopping for new curtains thinking, "And when I get tired of these I can use them for costumes!" ? LOL! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 00:23:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k394NJLO021895 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:23:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k394NBQL023948; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:23:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k394MnXj017113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:22:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k394MkDo025036; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:22:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k394MgPO024996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:22:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:27004 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FSRRt-0004Wq-0a for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 23:22:53 -0500 Message-ID: <010201c65b8d$3ddf2b70$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060407011057.30771.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wool Disaster!! 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Status: RO I don't have any particularly new advice to give you, but don't give up (yet)... I've successfully un-shrunken a nice wool cardigan, by stretching it every few minutes as it dried, though it hadn't shrunk that much--actually it wound up a bit bigger than when I started. Good luck! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 01:30:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k395UtJ1023217 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:30:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k395UlAj016915; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:30:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391a2Am001165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:36:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391a0ln025616; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:36:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391ZtoO025574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:35:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-240-93-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.240.93]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k391ZqCB021300 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:35:54 +1000 Message-ID: <012301c65b75$ef787cf0$5df0f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:35:49 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:30:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44389C07.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 2:25 AM Subject: [h-cost] curtains > Am I the only one who goes shopping for new curtains thinking, "And when I > get tired of these I can use them for costumes!" ? > > LOL! > Dawn > but it's really hard to get curtains without rubber backing (unless you make them yourself but that's time you could be spending on garb) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 01:31:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k395UtJ3023217 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:30:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k395UlAl016915; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:30:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391WGYA000946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:32:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391WFn1023417; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:32:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391WB3q023349 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:32:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A2EF195902C2; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:27:11 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Wool Disaster!! 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Status: RO Someone once told me that if you put a shrunken garment into crčme rinse, it will relax-but how much, I don't know. Sharon, who as a stupid teenager washed a cashmere sweater, which shrank in the body, in length and in the arms, in width, leaving me with a great sweater for an orangutan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Galadriel Lothlorien Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:11 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Wool Disaster!! A cashmere(?) knit, silk-lined Valentino coat was brought into my shop today. A very sweet old lady's maid had tried to wash it for her. Suffice it to say, the coat is now 15" shorter than the lining!! It hasn't been dried, and is still damp. ANYONE have any suggestions? We were thinking of keeping it wet and trying to stretch it out as best we can using some weights (chain?). Obviously the garment is a loss if it doesn't work so we're welcome to try any method at all to make it any better... because we can't make it much worse! I'm just not sure if the fact that it's knit makes it any more possible to save. Thanks, --Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 02:53:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k396rk1u024917 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 02:53:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k396rcgZ013713; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 02:53:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k396qIin029162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:52:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k396qEQJ013740; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:52:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k396q9Z0013685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:52:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-240-93-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.240.93]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k396q6IJ025196 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:52:08 +1000 Message-ID: <019401c65ba2$1d11e760$5df0f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:52:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 16th century term for cartridge pleats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 02:53:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4438AF72.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hiya everyone, I just read a bit of info that says the term cartridge pleats has it's roots in the late 19th century so what is the correct term for the 16th century. I know it was gauging in the mid 19th century but do we have a record of what it was called prior to that? Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 03:46:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k397kWI6026043 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 03:46:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k397kOAG031753; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 03:46:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k397kBOX033677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:46:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k397k9cS045180; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:46:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web27310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web27310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k397k5jh045102 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:46:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 61222 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2006 07:45:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Nqbx0TrzOOdeuRaMpKL30ywra6Fq1a3P4E22PXf86RpZQ09kkuXWeH04rx1VciLG+GvApK6pPvr6I5b9G9sjGuGXrb9wtYFOSNxTHO/ni1lheu1JiE0P+5csc50lJNNICA1QucLIl2oiF/zt3JZ41HYojBwiculsrVJsdh9ZDYg= ; Message-ID: <20060409074559.61220.qmail@web27310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.100.135] by web27310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:45:59 BST Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:45:59 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re:Curtains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 03:46:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4438BBD0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! Dawn I will put my hand up and admit that I am the same! I have even bought a pair of second hand curtains to make into an Elizabethan costume - I had little to spend on fabric, as Christmas was coming up. The same costume had what was a luxury bedding sheet as the skirt contrast! I have a pair of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I am dying to cut up, but I won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, though every so often when I open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I could make! All the best Jayne --------------------------------- Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. 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Status: RO In a message dated 4/9/2006 3:46:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk writes: I have a pair of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I am dying to cut up, but I won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, though every so often when I open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I could make! Shades of Scarlett O'Hara! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 06:44:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39Aieje011693 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:44:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39AiWVI000942; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:44:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39AhNl4048812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 04:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39AgkBv049885; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 04:42:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k39Agf2s049776 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 04:42:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 92443 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 10:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.92 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 10:42:35 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060409114148.01e04e08@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:42:47 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains In-Reply-To: <2f8.2b21d5d.316a3559@aol.com> References: <2f8.2b21d5d.316a3559@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:44:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4438E590.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:00 09/04/2006, you wrote: > >In a message dated 4/9/2006 3:46:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk writes: > >I have a pair of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I am dying to cut >up, but I won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, though every so often >when I open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I could make! > > > > >Shades of Scarlett O'Hara! I have green velvet curtains, but I don't have the tassels - and it would be a very "mini" Scarlett! (And I have the cock feathers for the hat!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 08:14:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CEb41013567 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:14:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39CETEs012582; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:14:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CEBNR056077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:14:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CE8kM004848; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:14:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k39CE5bW004780 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:14:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42588 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2006 12:13:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sSOVy3w+eMfCpRT5ZeWD0GcUBmSX5BRZJJCO5/qqjBx6bhOcq39moRarPVTGNXjmugGDWUSEgDxuy80zxo/G2un8K1vDrDD6U/txbFZXGi/7BwwWj25/m73hpq9C2FPHEslGE9LKmb+qQ9K+2v8FkWOysev5FCwymE4si12VvwI= ; Message-ID: <20060409121359.42586.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 05:13:59 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 05:13:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:14:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4438FAA5.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Nope. My curtains are a 100% cotton brocade with a period 16'th century design. Once I get tired of them, they are going to get dyed and made into a Tudor dress. Tania Dawn wrote: Am I the only one who goes shopping for new curtains thinking, "And when I get tired of these I can use them for costumes!" ? LOL! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2˘/min or less. --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 08:24:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CO290013781 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:24:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39CNsM0017160; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:23:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CNb4H056946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:23:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CNa5H010626; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:23:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CNXKW010561 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:23:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ACBC01E0; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:23:24 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 9 Apr 2006 08:23:12 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c65bd0$bb4c41e0$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <36b.19a538e.3169b8e5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:25:44 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:23:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4438FCDA.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What a great idea! I am always having trouble finding cotton shear enough! Dharma carries the right weight, but only in sarongs (72" lengths). Their other cottons are quite wonderful, but heavier than one needs for a nice Regency. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains > > In a message dated 4/8/2006 8:56:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > pasovasz@aol.com writes: > > Am I the only one who goes shopping for new curtains thinking, "And > > when I get tired of these I can use them for costumes!" > > > I just buy curtains to make costumes in the first place--Indian cotton > sheers make great Regency-era dresses. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 08:32:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CWH8e013997 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:32:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39CW95T021026; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:32:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CVoKE057759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:31:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CVm2D015804; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:31:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CVjKJ015703 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:31:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AEAB0250; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:31:39 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 9 Apr 2006 08:31:32 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c65bd1$e53fe460$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net><012301c65b75$ef787cf0$5df0f4dc@user4712b7d135> <44387BB6.9030906@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:34:05 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:32:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4438FEC9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have wanted to try these panels or coverlet for an 18thC petticoat. I have an older one cut (It was shabby and I suppose could have been used for a quilt batt) but this is a little heavier than the contemporary bedding/drapery. It will be somewhat bulky I anticipate... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains > Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > > > > > > but it's really hard to get curtains without rubber backing (unless you > > make them yourself but that's time you could be spending on garb) > > Elizabeth > > Here in the US they come without rubber backings, and I saw quite a > number of "velvets" and "brocades" at a home store Friday. Ended up with > lovely (polyester) matelasse panels for the bedroom. No rubber backs. :) > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 08:52:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CqPee014510 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:52:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39CqHhD030246; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:52:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39Cq4Ve059015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:52:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39Cq2aE027278; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CpwU0027187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:52:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F5E15005D for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24704-01-54 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FE86150059 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05c401c65bd4$a240fc00$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060409074559.61220.qmail@web27310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:53:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:52:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44390381.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Original Message ----- From: "Jayne Thomas" To: Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 3:45 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re:Curtains > Hi! Dawn > > I will put my hand up and admit that I am the same! I have even bought a > pair of second hand curtains to make into an Elizabethan costume - I had > little to spend on fabric, as Christmas was coming up. The same costume > had what was a luxury bedding sheet as the skirt contrast! I have a pair > of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I am dying to cut up, but I > won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, though every so often when I > open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I could make! > > All the best > Jayne I have a red velvet bedspread that's going to magically transform into a German gown! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 09:01:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39D1bvK014747 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:01:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39D1Tn4001935; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:01:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39D0t7V059772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 07:00:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39D0r8A032716; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 07:00:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39D0nR1032578 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 07:00:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:00:44 -0700 Message-ID: <44390576.3090101@msn.com> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:00:38 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Patterns of Fashion" award References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2006 13:00:44.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D0092E0:01C65BD5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:01:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443905A9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The Costume Society offers a number of different awards/grants. Some of which do not require being a student. Sg Robin Netherton wrote: >Someone mentioned this to me: > >http://www.costumesociety.org.uk/newstuff/Awards/patterns.html > >Deadline April 30, but there are so many people here who use these books, >the winning piece might be in an h-costumer's closet already. > >The hitch: If I read this right you have to be a student in a >costume/fashion-related line of study (full or part time). > >--Robin > >_ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 10:29:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39ETDGC016692 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:29:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39ET5KN009300; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:29:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39ERZms069049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39ERTD4088542; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:27:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39ERPJ3088461 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:27:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.30a.24a3f7a (15901) for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID94-3e1d443919c412a; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:27:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060409074559.61220.qmail@web27310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060409074559.61220.qmail@web27310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4addbe7c0380f55debab0b6e0e324785@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:27:14 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:29:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44391A31.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A friend had red curtains that were beginning to fade from the sun. She replaced them but couldn't part with the fabric. Opportunity knocked. She made a Wooden Soldier Costume for a Christmas Parade from them. As one of our members says-"Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness" Carol H. Susan On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:45 AM, Jayne Thomas wrote: > Hi! Dawn > > I will put my hand up and admit that I am the same! I have even > bought a pair of second hand curtains to make into an Elizabethan > costume - I had little to spend on fabric, as Christmas was coming up. > The same costume had what was a luxury bedding sheet as the skirt > contrast! I have a pair of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I > am dying to cut up, but I won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, > though every so often when I open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I > could make! > > All the best > Jayne > > > --------------------------------- > Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 10:49:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39EnJqC017122 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:49:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39EnBta019504; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:49:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39EmfQo070887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:48:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39EmewR002148; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:48:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39Embe4002065 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:48:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1bf.1c9195c (33856) for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:48:29 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1bf.1c9195c.316a78bc@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:48:28 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:49:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44391EE7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/9/2006 8:23:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: What a great idea! Restoration Hardware and Pier One both had really nice Indian cotton panels a few years ago--sheer with a heavier thread woven in. Four 84" panels were plenty for a Regency dress. They don't seem to carry them any more. Got a set from Target last year--they are okay, but not as good a quality as the others (of course, they were a lot cheaper, too). But I guess quality varied significantly during the era, too. Didn't Jane Austen complain in one of her letters that if you buy the cheap muslin, it falls apart in washing? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 10:57:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39EvANf017326 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:57:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39Ev2pR022935; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:57:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39EukkM071935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39EujDO007869; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k39EufgA007821 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:56:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 17444 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 14:56:26 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 07:56:26 -0700 Received: from 67.169.138.79 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 07:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1052.67.169.138.79.1144594632.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <019401c65ba2$1d11e760$5df0f4dc@user4712b7d135> References: <019401c65ba2$1d11e760$5df0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 07:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century term for cartridge pleats From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:57:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443920BE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Hiya everyone, > I just read a bit of info that says the term cartridge pleats has it's > roots > in the late 19th century so what is the correct term for the 16th century. > I > know it was gauging in the mid 19th century but do we have a record of > what > it was called prior to that? Have you tried looking at the Juan de Alcega book? There might be a clue in there. But my guess is that trying to name pleats is like trying to name historical dress styles. What we call a "Cranach" dress or a "gothic fitted dress" was most likely just called a "dress" at the time it was worn. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 11:01:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39F1Eop017422 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:01:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39F16wN024773; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:01:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39F0ere072247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:00:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39F0dh1010387; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:00:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39F0ZOU010345 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:00:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m249.in-tch.com [216.166.191.249]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k39EpLA01667 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002801c65be7$6181b020$f9bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2f8.2b21d5d.316a3559@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:07:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:01:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443921B2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh, man....suddenly, I'm overcome with the memory of watching a particular Carol Burnett sketch, many years ago.... (For those of you on other shores who may not be familiar with her, Carol is an *amazingly funny* American comedian, who used to have a sort of variety show on t.v., with a wonderful ensemble cast. At one point, they did a "Gone with the Wind" sendup, and Carol wore a spoof of Scarlett's curtain outfit....complete with curtain rod sticking out past her shoulder blades....) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains > > In a message dated 4/9/2006 3:46:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > I have a pair of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I am dying to cut > up, but I won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, though every so often > when I open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I could make! > > > > > Shades of Scarlett O'Hara! > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 12:13:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39GDmUC019909 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:13:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39GDeGl024536; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:13:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39GDI5p079465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:13:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39GDGLa056411; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:13:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay113-f22.bay113.hotmail.com [65.54.168.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39GDA7t056346 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:13:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marquesate@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:13:09 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:13:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [83.105.84.119] X-Originating-Email: [marquesate@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marquesate@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "N Kipar" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Patterns of Fashion" award Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:13:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2006 16:13:09.0575 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E4AD570:01C65BF0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:13:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443932B4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, you have to be a student and you have to be in Higher Education (not Further Education). Nicole -------------------- "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." >From: Robin Netherton >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historic Costume List >Subject: [h-cost] "Patterns of Fashion" award >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:57:32 -0500 (CDT) > > >Someone mentioned this to me: > >http://www.costumesociety.org.uk/newstuff/Awards/patterns.html > >Deadline April 30, but there are so many people here who use these books, >the winning piece might be in an h-costumer's closet already. > >The hitch: If I read this right you have to be a student in a >costume/fashion-related line of study (full or part time). > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 12:26:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39GQa2x020159 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:26:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39GQTjD029346; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:26:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39GQF7p084786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39GQDY4064368; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:26:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k39GQ8lx064267 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:26:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 36786 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 16:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.142.33.36 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 16:26:02 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060409171922.01dc0090@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:25:58 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Me and Washington (O.T.mostly) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:26:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443935B5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear All I am having a senior moment, and cannot find all my mail on visiting Washington. I have booked the Hotel Harrington, as recommended. We are planning a visit to the DAR Museum, as time is so limited. However, I have had correspondence with several of you, and cannot find all the replies. Doh! Could anyone who wrote, and hoped to be able to meet with us on Friday 23rd, and have supper at the hotel, please contact me off list to make firmer arrangements. If anyone else would like to visit too, please do get in touch. My husband and I will be happy to meet anyone from the list. We would love to be able to invite you as our guests, but I'm afraid it will be every person for him or herself. Thank you - I now return you to your scheduled programme. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 13:14:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39HEmFB021493 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:14:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39HEepM015520; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:14:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39H9HbD098482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:09:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39H9F9d092089; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:09:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39H9BZP092009 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:09:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2b0.1a6fa99 (58550) for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:08:57 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2b0.1a6fa99.316a99a9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:08:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:14:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44394100.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have 2 sets of silk curtains I got at the flea market just to make costumes. I don't know what palatial estate they came from but they are both silk lined with silk and HUGE...lots of yardage. One is a light coffee brown taffeta with a small orange and white stripe...lined in white. The other is a chrome yellow Jacquard with a large scrolling pattern of leaves and flowers...lined in off white. They've been in a box for years....I must take them out and take them apart and have the pieces dry cleaned. Then DO SOMETHING WITH THEM! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 13:34:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39HY6Le021915 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:34:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39HXx96023317; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:34:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39HXeMC003931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:33:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39HXcUC008171; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:33:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k39HXZma008107 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:33:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCDUTK7A252THS for (sender ); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:32:45 -0700 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LMJJFRYY; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:32:27 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:18:33 -0500 Message-ID: <20060409.121833.-1188455.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 2:2:1794619981 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn71GbKf+yaC7e12BuNjVFwHGea0NFmMUcCw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Question Regrading Houndstooth Check X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:34:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44394587.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was wondering how far back in history one can document the weaving/wearing of houndstooth check? Anybody have any information? Inquiring historical minds want to know! Karen Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 17:08:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39L8MnR030577 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 17:08:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39L8Ewh016902; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 17:08:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39L7qno024730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:07:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39L7hmu045444; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39L7cl0045394 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:07:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FSh8D-000GmC-8x for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:07:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:06:17 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains References: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net> <9e852c493943447030433f3443b4fa27@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <9e852c493943447030433f3443b4fa27@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:08:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443977BE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Never mind going shopping - it's sitting in restaurants, or town halls, thinking "would they notice if I made away with those curtains?" Jean Susan Data-Samtak wrote >NO ! Absolutely not! > >Susan > >"Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel >too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark >Trail" by Louis L'Amour > >On Apr 8, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Dawn wrote: > >> Am I the only one who goes shopping for new curtains thinking, "And >>when I get tired of these I can use them for costumes!" ? >> >> LOL! >> >> >> Dawn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 20:35:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A0Zaf9001686 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:35:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A0ZSYq031862; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:35:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A0Yufq044811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:34:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A0Ylqk068417; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A0Yicd068390 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:34:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.149] (pm5-149.eos.net [205.133.149.149]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3A0YghB019302 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:34:42 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:22:22 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200604091800.k39I0L6g025225@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Curtains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:35:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4439A850.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sue wrote: > Oh, man....suddenly, I'm overcome with the memory of watching a particular > Carol Burnett sketch, many years ago.... > (For those of you on other shores who may not be familiar with her, Carol is > an *amazingly funny* American comedian, who used to have a sort of variety > show on t.v., with a wonderful ensemble cast. At one point, they did a > "Gone with the Wind" sendup, and Carol wore a spoof of Scarlett's curtain > outfit....complete with curtain rod sticking out past her shoulder > blades....) And then she said, "I saw it in a window and I just couldn't resist." HA HA HA HA HA Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 21:41:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A1f18x002836 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:41:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A1er2e025835; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:40:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A1d4pT052721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:39:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A1d1aS007347; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:39:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A1cwPT007209 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:39:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k3A1cpq10268 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:38:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7106DA6B-0D10-47B5-AD0D-4F119DA6228C@alfalfapress.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:38:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:40:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4439B7A5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A friend and were traveling a couple years ago when we walked into our hotel room. We took one look at the curtains and looked at each other then at the curtains, then at each other. I asked her, "Are you thinking what I'm thinking, Pinky?" :D It was a gorgeous red velvet with a gold floating thread in the traditional pomegranate pattern. yum! Althea On Apr 9, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > Sue wrote: > >> Oh, man....suddenly, I'm overcome with the memory of watching a >> particular >> Carol Burnett sketch, many years ago.... >> (For those of you on other shores who may not be familiar with >> her, Carol is >> an *amazingly funny* American comedian, who used to have a sort of >> variety >> show on t.v., with a wonderful ensemble cast. At one point, they >> did a >> "Gone with the Wind" sendup, and Carol wore a spoof of Scarlett's >> curtain >> outfit....complete with curtain rod sticking out past her shoulder >> blades....) > > And then she said, "I saw it in a window and I just couldn't resist." > HA HA HA HA HA > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 23:04:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A34bju005201 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:04:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A34TWi028236; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:04:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A345BM062760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:04:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A33vNJ062642; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A33lx7062454 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:03:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.164]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060410030337.PWKR12807.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:03:37 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060409215517.0262a0f0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:03:32 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200604091800.k39I0L6g025225@net.indra.com> References: <200604091800.k39I0L6g025225@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question Regarding Houndstooth Check X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:04:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4439CB3D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If memory serves, I believe that houndstooth twill is in: North European Textiles Until AD 1000 by Lise Bender Jorgensen. Aarhus Univ Pr (1992), Hardcover ISBN 8772884169 I can check for you tomorrow if needed. Beth At 01:00 PM 4/9/2006, you wrote: >Message: 9 >Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:18:33 -0500 >From: Karen R Bergquist >Subject: [h-cost] Question Regrading Houndstooth Check >To: h-costume@indra.com >Message-ID: <20060409.121833.-1188455.0.penhalion@juno.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I was wondering how far back in history one can document the >weaving/wearing of houndstooth check? > >Anybody have any information? Inquiring historical minds want to know! > > >Karen >Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 23:20:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A3KNkN005466 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:20:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A3KFNx002145; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:20:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A3JpFT064702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:19:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A3JokX073072; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:19:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A3JYLq072836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3A56ID5022560 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:06:18 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Question Regarding Houndstooth Check Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:25:29 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200604091800.k39I0L6g025225@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060409215517.0262a0f0@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060409215517.0262a0f0@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604092225.29643.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:20:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4439CEEF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sunday 09 April 2006 11:03 pm, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > If memory serves, I believe that houndstooth twill is in: > North European Textiles Until AD 1000 by Lise Bender Jorgensen. Aarhus Univ > Pr (1992), Hardcover ISBN 8772884169 > > I can check for you tomorrow if needed. There's a nice picture of houndstooth in Margrethe Hald's "Ancient Danish Textiles" also. The picture looks as though the check is in a contrasting color (it's a black and white photo), but the text claims that the effect comes from using threads of different spin directions instead (a kind of shadow check effect, I suppose). -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 00:36:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A4a4CY006642 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:36:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A4Zup8031382; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:35:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A4ZEWY073968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:35:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A4Z4Ct020441; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:35:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A4YxEt020376 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:35:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FSo78-0003Jr-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:34:58 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060409232825.036d2160@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:30:16 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200604091800.k39I0L6g025225@net.indra.com> References: <200604091800.k39I0L6g025225@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Curtain Dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:35:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4439E0AC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And I believe it was designed by Bob Mackie, no less!! Sandy At 01:00 PM 4/9/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:07:53 -0600 >From: "Sue Clemenger" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains > >Oh, man....suddenly, I'm overcome with the memory of watching a particular >Carol Burnett sketch, many years ago....(For those of you on other >shores who may not be familiar with her, Carol is an *amazingly >funny* American comedian, who used to have a sort of variety show on >t.v., with a wonderful ensemble cast. At one point, they did a >"Gone with the Wind" sendup, and Carol wore a spoof of Scarlett's curtain >outfit....complete with curtain rod sticking out past her shoulder blades....) >--Sue "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 01:02:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A52hAQ007041 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:02:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A52ZBV009207; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:02:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A52K3b076862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A52JFP036290; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:02:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.133]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3A52F5X036205 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:02:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 76650 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2006 05:02:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Sh/o2b8eX9rXp0VDWQnerN/IhhsIHZnAc/niB/jK46x0eouxLNOkUtQB9firkKDyJqfXOLkL9UdlM0fcmSM/iOVnZtjVsBWCinDDZBoMmysVOP3aBn+2vkTC7HqI6v9HVFdEsGv3TkQR25+kzGHTSfFUot6c82+d/ZX2Z4eplkw= ; Message-ID: <20060410050210.76648.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.75.17.161] by web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:02:10 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:02:10 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Ruff directions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:02:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4439E6EB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I finally have all the materials for my son's Frobisher garb together. Does anybody have a tried and true method of making ruffs that they can recommend? I have found about 5 different methods at various sites online. The one I need to make should replicate the ruff in the portrait of Martin Frobisher found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Frobisher Any and all advice appreciated. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 01:35:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A5ZGPk007613 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:35:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A5Z7aX022652; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:35:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A5Yqp6079879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:34:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A5YoMv054588; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A5Yl9v054554 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:34:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AD4A1DE068C; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:29:46 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:Curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:34:48 -0700 Message-ID: <002801c65c60$7b7aa990$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <002801c65be7$6181b020$f9bfa6d8@pavilion> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO And her line was something like, "I saw them in the window and I just couldn't resist." -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 8:08 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains Oh, man....suddenly, I'm overcome with the memory of watching a particular Carol Burnett sketch, many years ago.... (For those of you on other shores who may not be familiar with her, Carol is an *amazingly funny* American comedian, who used to have a sort of variety show on t.v., with a wonderful ensemble cast. At one point, they did a "Gone with the Wind" sendup, and Carol wore a spoof of Scarlett's curtain outfit....complete with curtain rod sticking out past her shoulder blades....) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains > > In a message dated 4/9/2006 3:46:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > I have a pair of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I am dying to > cut up, but I won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, though > every so often > when I open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I could make! > > > > > Shades of Scarlett O'Hara! > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 02:55:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A6t2t0021219 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:55:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A6ssmv022537; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:54:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A6rMtN086861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:53:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A6rEHZ099448; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:53:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A6r8cs099371 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:53:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3A6r0bJ028884 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:53:00 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.93.1] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-93-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.93.1]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3A6qgRp120544 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:53:06 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060409232507.03af2088@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:31:28 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions In-Reply-To: <20060410050210.76648.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:54:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A013E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >The one I >need to make should replicate the ruff in the portrait >of Martin Frobisher found here: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Frobisher Where's the portrait? I couldn't find it on the wiki page. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 07:19:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABJDk5012791 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:19:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ABJ5QP004844; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:19:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABIWkV065187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:18:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABISwL061194; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:18:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A5KVB4046680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:20:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-8-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.8]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3A5KTMm020055 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:20:30 +1000 Message-ID: <01a101c65c5e$7c765990$08daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060405160302.0365a388@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII movie question Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:20:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:19:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A3F29.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: [h-cost] Henry VIII movie question > Hey all, > > I am thinking of getting a movie, A Man For All Seasons > (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060665/), to watch while I am working on my > Henrician gown. Our Henry VIII faires are often set during the marriage > question. But I have never seen the movie. Is it worth getting? How is the > storyline? How good/bad are the costumes? Is my money better spent on a > different movie of a similar time frame? > > Thanks for any thoughts on this. > > Kimiko Well I remember watching it a few years ago but I only remember bits (my friend who was watching it with me wasn't interested and distracted me) unfortunately it was before I started researching Tudor clothing so I can't give an opinion on the costumes. But an image search using the title turned up this page http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_product.asp?sku=149316&master_movie_id=2499&MGAID=U7JD1194 they seem to have got the overall lines right but you can't see the details. If you're interested in Tudor films I found a pretty comprehensive list here http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Documents/TudorsMoviesTV.htm Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 07:20:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABK97B012950 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:20:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ABJx2s031582; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:20:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABJnA4065317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABJmif062043; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:19:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing2.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A747Vh006217 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:04:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id AE40518001B3 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:04:02 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 10 Apr 2006 07:04:02 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C5030CA0AF; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:04:02 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:04:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Received: from [149.169.241.127] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:04:02 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 149.169.241.127 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060410070402.C5030CA0AF@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3A747Vh006217 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:20:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A3F5F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kathleen wrote: > > > What a great idea! I am always having trouble finding cotton shear enough! > Dharma carries the right weight, but only in sarongs (72" lengths). Their > other cottons are quite wonderful, but heavier than one needs for a nice > Regency. Have gotten a sample of their cotton lawn? It is not quite sheer enough to read through, but it isn't far off. -Katie -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 07:20:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABKBuA012961 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:20:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ABK3NL008996; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:20:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABJTnl065276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:19:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABJTWq061834; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:19:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A5X1cf053541 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ACE07F6046C; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:28:00 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:33:01 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c65c60$3c02a560$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1bf.1c9195c.316a78bc@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Cost Plus has nice cotton curtains. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 7:48 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains In a message dated 4/9/2006 8:23:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: What a great idea! Restoration Hardware and Pier One both had really nice Indian cotton panels a few years ago--sheer with a heavier thread woven in. Four 84" panels were plenty for a Regency dress. They don't seem to carry them any more. Got a set from Target last year--they are okay, but not as good a quality as the others (of course, they were a lot cheaper, too). But I guess quality varied significantly during the era, too. Didn't Jane Austen complain in one of her letters that if you buy the cheap muslin, it falls apart in washing? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 08:54:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ACsQgN016116 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:54:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ACsInj021964; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:54:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ACrk93075506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:53:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ACrhjq025051; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:53:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ACrd9D024964 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:53:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A54C0250; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:53:32 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.156 ([209.131.80.156] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Apr 2006 08:53:19 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01c65c9e$1b183fc0$9c5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060410070402.C5030CA0AF@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:55:52 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:54:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A557A.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have used this one. It was the best that I could find for the project. Bought the sarong at the same time and inquired how I might get a bolt of That fabric. The response was NA. Sigh... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:04 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains > Kathleen wrote: > > > > > > What a great idea! I am always having trouble finding cotton shear enough! > > Dharma carries the right weight, but only in sarongs (72" lengths). Their > > other cottons are quite wonderful, but heavier than one needs for a nice > > Regency. > > Have gotten a sample of their cotton lawn? It is not quite sheer enough to read through, but it isn't far off. > > -Katie > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 10:06:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AE6wBZ019466 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:06:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AE6oUZ006519; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:06:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AE6NnZ089887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:06:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AE6LtL082934; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:06:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:ya34FR+1IauHJhwWityQVj/JZqMJbLTN@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AE6H04082847 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:06:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.115] (206-124-5-115.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.115]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k3AE37w03859 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:03:08 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <01a101c65c5e$7c765990$08daf5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060405160302.0365a388@64.87.54.245> <01a101c65c5e$7c765990$08daf5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII movie question Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:07:12 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:06:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A667A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I loved the movie. It is well worth watching. Can't remember how the costumes were though. Sylrog On Apr 9, 2006, at 11:20 PM, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:07 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Henry VIII movie question > > >> Hey all, >> >> I am thinking of getting a movie, A Man For All Seasons >> (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060665/), to watch while I am working >> on my Henrician gown. Our Henry VIII faires are often set during the >> marriage question. But I have never seen the movie. Is it worth >> getting? How is the storyline? How good/bad are the costumes? Is my >> money better spent on a different movie of a similar time frame? >> >> Thanks for any thoughts on this. >> >> Kimiko > > Well I remember watching it a few years ago but I only remember bits > (my friend who was watching it with me wasn't interested and > distracted me) unfortunately it was before I started researching Tudor > clothing so I can't give an opinion on the costumes. But an image > search using the title turned up this page > http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_product.asp? > sku=149316&master_movie_id=2499&MGAID=U7JD1194 they seem to have got > the overall lines right but you can't see the details. > If you're interested in Tudor films I found a pretty comprehensive > list here http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Documents/TudorsMoviesTV.htm > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 10:18:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEIqkT019728 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:18:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AEIjDV014398; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:18:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEI98a091628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:18:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEI52O093007; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:18:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEHxwl092920 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:18:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c59so1197589pyc for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:17:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mQKQe5yO1a9hJIeNGcpNjjuUvOv6Oj1V46Y6AkhRKFSxojM2gVCsB527sNmr31CLtlM5G9C0dnPHEAHWI9nTuz0Iloj8VOjinvHpmsC5JcTz8pX7cuj8ZsupJYUwW9sfVeWZEo6a531Yuwm+BVxNkCC6KsoANny3OiM0bGbzwf4= Received: by 10.35.51.6 with SMTP id d6mr2373938pyk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.18.8 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070604100717o1d045818x87085db3d406049a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:17:56 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains In-Reply-To: <4addbe7c0380f55debab0b6e0e324785@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060409074559.61220.qmail@web27310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4addbe7c0380f55debab0b6e0e324785@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3AEHxwl092920 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:18:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A6945.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A few years ago when I needed a mermaid costume, I looked at my bedroom curtains, which needed replacing anyway, and had a Scarlett O'Hara moment. The fabric was blue with a fan shape pattern, which when turned upside down created a perfect fishscale motif. It became a very effective fish tail skirt.... Katy On 4/9/06, Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > A friend had red curtains that were beginning to fade from the sun. > She replaced them but couldn't part with the fabric. Opportunity > knocked. She made a Wooden Soldier Costume for a Christmas Parade from > them. > > As one of our members says-"Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle > Neatness" Carol H. > > Susan > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:45 AM, Jayne Thomas wrote: > > > Hi! Dawn > > > > I will put my hand up and admit that I am the same! I have even > > bought a pair of second hand curtains to make into an Elizabethan > > costume - I had little to spend on fabric, as Christmas was coming up. > > The same costume had what was a luxury bedding sheet as the skirt > > contrast! I have a pair of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I > > am dying to cut up, but I won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, > > though every so often when I open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I > > could make! > > > > All the best > > Jayne > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. 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Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 10:35:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEZDZr020290 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:35:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AEZ5In025320; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:35:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEYhEj094141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:34:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEYfV1007529; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:34:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEYbaw007453 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:34:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27138 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:34:34 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Dress Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:34:18 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Dress Thread-Index: AcZZABKIydS9O5h8R56+TrgdwKJsAADqJPRQ From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3AEYbaw007453 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:35:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A6D19.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Jame: When I did the Eleanor of Toledo dress in Janet Arnold for myself, I doubled the size of the pattern to 1/4" scale first. I only dress dolls, so this was a big project for me. Then I went to my fabric store, checked all the costumes to find one or more patterns with pattern piece(s) close to the Hunnisett diagrams. I then fitted the bodice pieces of the two commercial patterns to me and then using the Hunnisett diagrams as guide, altered and recut them using sew in interfacing(lies much nicer on fabric than the commerical tissue paper. In some cases, using commercial pattern pieces for fit, allowed me to keep some of the grainlines and notches/balance marks. You may have some luck in enlarging the Hunisett bodice diagram which is already larger than the usual 1/8=1" to roughly fit your daughter. I would put your daughter in all undergarments she is to wear first. However I did cheat on the Eleanor of Toledo dress(which I'm going to alter to make more accurate). Because our Nebraska/Iowa Renfaires can be hot and steamy and subject to sudden downpours, I built the Elizabethan corset right into the bodice. The original dress laces on the side backs, so this allows me to loosen/tighten the fit for weather and weight loss/gain. You could alter the 1569 dress bodice to allow for this. I worked all the eyelets by hand using large jewerly jump rings on either side of each hole made with an awl and covering rings and reinforcing each hole with a button hole stitch. Time consuming but worth it. But since your daughter is a growing girl, metal eyelets would work. Also put grow tucks in the skirt, and pleat it to the waistband deeply enough to allow for horizontal growth. Make the bodice separate and alter the shoulder straps so they can be extended for growth, if you wish. Elizabethan clothes are great as they were designed to be in pieces to mix and match. I hope this is a rewarding project for you both! Your daughter in bound to become quite a little expert in knowing how many pieces of clothing children "way back when" had to wear! Cindy Abel Hi! I would like to make the 1569 Elizabethan dress (or something near as possible!) that is illustrated on page 63 (the one in the middle of the group) of 'Patterns for Women's Dress 1500-1800 for my nearly four year daughter. Yes, I'm being very ambitious here! The thing is, how would scale the pattern (on page 68 onwards) to fit her? Am I being a bit too ambitious?! All the best! Jayne --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 10:35:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEZKHf020293 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:35:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AEZC5i018124; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:35:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEXAXO093858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:33:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEX8TN006160; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:33:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEX5SG006050 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:33:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2b8.8395e9b (32915) for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:32:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2b8.8395e9b.316bc692@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:32:50 EDT Subject: [h-cost] Re:Curtains To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:35:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A6D20.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My theatre studies exam costume was made out of two pairs of curtains from a charity shop. Brown velvet and yellow brocade. Cost three pounds a pair. (Got extra marks for being 'cost aware'). Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 11:50:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AFoWfc022383 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:50:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AFoOjL015850; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:50:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AFnifn007971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:49:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AFnepC080665; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.133]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3AFnc4I080533 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:49:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 15567 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2006 15:49:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=P83KvXiXnxjt+1cmVlhLc3pUwdGIskKfn1TlYfi7JGT+synF1OxX6NbSQURKwTz0UXDUCxosvzMC+yW3hVFi8YBt23y4oGD6k1ZWQ/6ST2Lf3dzjzqESYcw5IOB3Anoz/RS/gAuB91o+98S0dNPGJKoR8XqBgPk+lxyEcnn/zbA= ; Message-ID: <20060410154932.15565.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.75.17.161] by web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:49:32 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:49:32 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060409232507.03af2088@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:50:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A7EC0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Should be right on that page on the righthand side. He's wearing a buttery tan outfit. If for some reason it still doesn't come up you could try the Google image search. It is the only full length portrait of him. Rebecca --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >The one I > >need to make should replicate the ruff in the > portrait > >of Martin Frobisher found here: > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Frobisher > > Where's the portrait? I couldn't find it on the > wiki page. > > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > ///\\\\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > )(( <> ))( > * ) ( * > /----\ /---\ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 12:42:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AGgP4d024020 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:42:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AGgHH2016881; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:42:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AGfnqA017889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:41:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AGfTOg032657; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AGfFdd032209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:41:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3AGetFO001955 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:40:55 -0500 Message-ID: <443A5265.1000505@wideopenwest.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:41:09 -0400 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dharma Trading wants fabric suggestions! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:42:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A8AE9.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here's our chance, folks, to help Dharma Trading carry some really costume-worthy fabrics! Michelle "Expanding Our Fabric Collection Attention fabric lovers! We are continuing to expand our selection of fabrics aiming for a 'plethora' of fabrics instead of our current 'lots and lots'. To that end, we are asking you, our most valued and esteemed customers (who are also very intelligent and shockingly good looking, by the way) to weigh in on what new fabrics you would like to see us add. Wool fabrics? Bamboo fabrics? Fabrics woven from the back hair of a yeti, perhaps? Whatever! Please send any suggestions to the following e-mail address and we will consider all your ideas. fabricideas@dharmatrading.com" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 14:36:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AIaWS2027599 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:36:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AIaOYE021888; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:36:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AIZr4P037067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:35:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AIZiYq044755; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:35:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AIZQZ7044522 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:35:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3AIZWYA001939 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:35:33 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.93.1] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-93-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.93.1]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3AIZEEe017402 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:35:23 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060410111338.036788c8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:35:04 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions In-Reply-To: <20060410154932.15565.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20060409232507.03af2088@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:36:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443AA5A8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Should be right on that page on the righthand side. >He's wearing a buttery tan outfit. If for some reason >it still doesn't come up you could try the Google >image search. It is the only full length portrait of >him. With a gun in his hand, right? I've seen the portrait, but couldn't get to it by the wiki page. Conventional wisdom says to knife pleat the ruff material then like cartridge pleat it to the neck band piece. This produces a "mill wheel" ruff, like the ones in the 16th century and painted by folks like Reubens, but does not produce a ruff like Frobisher wears. The best example of Frobisher's kind of ruff is found in portraits of Mary, Queen of Scots. In some of these you can see the same ruff from the side as well as from straight on to the edge, since the shirt with the ruff on it is worn open at the neck. These Mary portraits show the ruff material gathered super-tightly at the inner edges and coaxed into the shape we recognize at the outer edges. The inner edge of these ruffs is narrow, and you can see this inner-edge narrowness in some other portraits showing ruff-wearers. Compare this inner-edge narrowness with the inner-edge thickness of the later ruffs and you'll see what I mean. Compare also the way the artist paints the inside of the pleats of the ruff. In the earlier ones the insides scrunch up to nothing, while in the later ones the insides make flat vertical pleats. Compare also the angle at which the two kinds of ruff sit relative to the body, especially at the wrists. The "mill-wheel" kinds sit perpendicular to their nearest body part, while the earlier ones sit at an angle to them. Try the two methods out in sample pieces and compare them. Also remember that these ruffs were held stiff as cardboard by the use of starch. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 16:20:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AKKUNY030679 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:20:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AKKMrk032304; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:20:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AKJcEA056751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:19:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AKJPWM051558; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:19:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50212.mail.yahoo.com (web50212.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3AKJM5m051428 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:19:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LizzieM@rocketmail.com) Received: (qmail 74763 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2006 20:19:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eNud/sLah7NWVLGEZUB+cS8UmNg4NP/hwZtZjJjqdWA3r1vxMfeeBTyqYItmpH2QD8k9gSyTvCwS1ifXH1Fp2uVbIjTJgzqPZkasKIZ8daD3kXN6oo4nsmGZzUja6gGo9l7mADZUarXAGWpLT8FomUjTPL3O5l2OokdC8Nj2dkU= ; Message-ID: <20060410201917.74761.qmail@web50212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.148.43.79] by web50212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:19:17 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:19:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Mundy To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200604071642.k37GgAIG039004@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wool Disaster!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:20:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443ABE06.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi. I had some luck with stretching out a wool knit sweater that had inadvertently gone through the washer and dryer. Put it in a bath of warm salt water, then stretch it out as best you can. Once it's stretched, block it and let it dry. When you're stretching it, remember to stretch for width as well as length. If you can find something suitable, put some sort of stretcher (tubular) in the sleeves so they get back their width during the stretch. Good luck! --Leslie > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:10:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Galadriel Lothlorien > > Subject: [h-cost] Wool Disaster!! > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: > <20060407011057.30771.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > A cashmere(?) knit, silk-lined Valentino coat was > brought into my shop today. A very sweet old lady's > maid had tried to wash it for her. Suffice it to > say, the coat is now 15" shorter than the lining!! > It hasn't been dried, and is still damp. > > ANYONE have any suggestions? We were thinking of > keeping it wet and trying to stretch it out as best > we can using some weights (chain?). Obviously the > garment is a loss if it doesn't work so we're > welcome to try any method at all to make it any > better... because we can't make it much worse! I'm > just not sure if the fact that it's knit makes it > any more possible to save. > > Thanks, > --Rachel > Leslie Mundy, DCC Office Hours: M-W-F Noon-5:00 John Carter Brown Library, Box 1894, Brown University Providence, RI Just think... "Somewhere a butterfly, dreaming that it is Chuang Chou, flutters its wings and creates a distant hurricane." http://NewMoon2000.tripod.com/oneway/indexnavigator.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 17:26:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ALQssY032667 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:26:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ALQk3Y005780; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:26:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ALQSwt066470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:26:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ALQHH4016390; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:26:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav15.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ALQBmh016269 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:26:07 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY101-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:26:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060410154932.15565.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:25:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2006 21:26:07.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[616D7F70:01C65CE5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:26:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443ACD96.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Is that the ruff with the inner layer and outter layer? We had a discussion some time ago about how to make that special ruff. We all came to the conclusion that it took at least 3 layers of fabric. 2 lighter weight outer layers and 1 thinker inner layer. Make the usual ruff, then mold the lighter weight outer layers inward to form the details inside the larger ruff loops. Pulling the lighter weight fabric edge to the center created the small heart shaped deep-inside loops. That is as best I can describe how to do it... if that is the same ruff we talked about earlier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions > Should be right on that page on the righthand side. > He's wearing a buttery tan outfit. If for some reason > it still doesn't come up you could try the Google > image search. It is the only full length portrait of > him. > Rebecca > > --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> >> >The one I >> >need to make should replicate the ruff in the >> portrait >> >of Martin Frobisher found here: >> > >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Frobisher >> >> Where's the portrait? I couldn't find it on the >> wiki page. >> >> >> CarolynKayta Barrows >> dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian >> www.FunStuft.com >> >> ///\\\\\ >> ////-@@\\\ >> (((( 7 ))) >> )(( <> ))( >> * ) ( * >> /----\ /---\ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 17:49:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ALnft2001078 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:49:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ALnX3a017045; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:49:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ALn6TQ070307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:49:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ALmHfR037848; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:48:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AGOEmW014641 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:24:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k3AGOBBR024037 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007a01c65cbb$339b3fd0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060410154932.15565.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:24:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:49:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443AD2ED.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It's here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Martin_Frobisher_by_Ketel.jpg When the page came up, there was no image, but there was a link. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions > Should be right on that page on the righthand side. > He's wearing a buttery tan outfit. If for some reason > it still doesn't come up you could try the Google > image search. It is the only full length portrait of > him. > Rebecca > > --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> >> >The one I >> >need to make should replicate the ruff in the >> portrait >> >of Martin Frobisher found here: >> > >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Frobisher >> >> Where's the portrait? I couldn't find it on the >> wiki page. >> >> >> CarolynKayta Barrows >> dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian >> www.FunStuft.com >> >> ///\\\\\ >> ////-@@\\\ >> (((( 7 ))) >> )(( <> ))( >> * ) ( * >> /----\ /---\ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 18:58:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AMwtwc003019 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:58:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AMwl7d016899; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:58:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AMwIdJ083531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:58:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AMw239003492; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:58:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AMvwXI003369 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:57:53 -0700 Message-ID: <443AE2FF.8060808@msn.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:58:07 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2006 22:57:53.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[33279170:01C65CF2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Welt pocket wonders X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:58:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443AE327.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you have ever been intimidated by making welt pockets, Threads issue 122 has a solution. I have tried many welt pocket techniques over the years, and this works beautifully. It uses a silk organza facing and fabric glue (yes....). Try it, you'll like it! It completely takes the mystery and challenge away! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 19:36:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ANa4Ss004280 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:36:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ANZuEo001844; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:35:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ANZfNJ088558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ANZd7S034753; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:35:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aardvark.edurostream.com (aardvark.edurostream.com [206.83.243.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ANZZ1b034695 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:35:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from D7W6QR21 (unverified [68.236.248.91]) by aardvark.edurostream.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.1.20) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:35:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c65cf7$75ddb760$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> From: "Sue" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060330184615.03567668@64.87.54.245> <000b01c6548a$9586d760$a0399b04@HELENPINTO> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:35:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] need roommate for Hartford Symposium X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:35:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443AEBDC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thank you, Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com 401 Fairview Ave. Frederick, MD 21701 www.victorianmillinery.com 301-694-8950 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 23:03:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B332X5010188 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:03:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B32stU002117; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:02:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B32TTi011585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:02:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B32MaN091180; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:02:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B32IrR091118 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB0D90E0554; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:57:17 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ruff directions Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:02:21 -0700 Message-ID: <004a01c65d14$5a41d230$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060410111338.036788c8@mail.frys.com> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO For a ruff that looks ok, but isn't made period, cartridge pleat grosgrain ribbon onto a flat neckband. The ribbon is stiff enough to hold shape. You may have to stitch the points where each loop touches another. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:35 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions >Should be right on that page on the righthand side. >He's wearing a buttery tan outfit. If for some reason >it still doesn't come up you could try the Google >image search. It is the only full length portrait of >him. With a gun in his hand, right? I've seen the portrait, but couldn't get to it by the wiki page. Conventional wisdom says to knife pleat the ruff material then like cartridge pleat it to the neck band piece. This produces a "mill wheel" ruff, like the ones in the 16th century and painted by folks like Reubens, but does not produce a ruff like Frobisher wears. The best example of Frobisher's kind of ruff is found in portraits of Mary, Queen of Scots. In some of these you can see the same ruff from the side as well as from straight on to the edge, since the shirt with the ruff on it is worn open at the neck. These Mary portraits show the ruff material gathered super-tightly at the inner edges and coaxed into the shape we recognize at the outer edges. The inner edge of these ruffs is narrow, and you can see this inner-edge narrowness in some other portraits showing ruff-wearers. Compare this inner-edge narrowness with the inner-edge thickness of the later ruffs and you'll see what I mean. Compare also the way the artist paints the inside of the pleats of the ruff. In the earlier ones the insides scrunch up to nothing, while in the later ones the insides make flat vertical pleats. Compare also the angle at which the two kinds of ruff sit relative to the body, especially at the wrists. The "mill-wheel" kinds sit perpendicular to their nearest body part, while the earlier ones sit at an angle to them. Try the two methods out in sample pieces and compare them. Also remember that these ruffs were held stiff as cardboard by the use of starch. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 23:04:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B34ms3010201 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:04:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B34eCM001418; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:04:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B34STi011751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:04:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B34SRg092687; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:04:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.126]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3B34PSV092595 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:04:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from susannaheanes@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90912 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2006 03:04:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xmtWMoxYH/AfP11/z6mnUPS85e6Ft23j6COuLNBz9uRtaPmkt5WprRBLC268wBefJGz3j7mF/0wZFWm7cQeOBD3DO8mzC6yg5D7yJo36xKcFAkTIQnz+8oZ7DkXuEj36tpHLO96cQ7m6h2eLM6NuyHaazNhtI4JjWSif3cjIIuY= ; Message-ID: <20060411030420.90910.qmail@web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.152.138.136] by web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:04:20 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: susannah eanes To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:04:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B1CC8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Recently we costumed for the play "A Little Princess." One of the characters is a young girl with a bit of a weight problem. She was superbly portrayed by a rather thin young girl. We stuffed a bodystocking with fiberfill at first during rehearsals but it was so hot she nearly passed out and became very flushed. So we tried having her wear three cotton teeshirts but that didn't work too well either. We finally just used the fiberfill & stuffed her blouse, a fitted Victorian high-collared style, after she put it on to fill out the necessary areas. That didn't work really either, because after every scene we had to readjust the fiberfill because it kept shifting & even falling out below the skirt. She left puff-bunnies all over backstage but fortunately none fell out on stage --although in one of the final scenes she suddenly developed a "hernia" on her left side. Please --we may do this play again for the lower schools. Can anyone give us any ideas on making a Mrs. Doubtfire-type removable bodyshape suit on a low budget that won't cause the young actress to expire with heat? Thanks for any & all suggestions. Blessings, Susannah --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2˘/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 23:15:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3FO87010519 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:15:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B3FGHd007450; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:15:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3F1hd012802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:15:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3Exei000682; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3B3Et3t000604 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:14:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 24607 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 03:14:42 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:14:42 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38107.162.119.64.110.1144725327.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20060411030420.90910.qmail@web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060411030420.90910.qmail@web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:15:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B1F44.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Recently we costumed for the play "A Little Princess." One of the > characters is a young girl with a bit of a weight problem. She was > superbly portrayed by a rather thin young girl. We stuffed a bodystocking > with fiberfill at first during rehearsals but it was so hot she nearly > passed out and became very flushed. So we tried having her wear three > cotton teeshirts but that didn't work too well either. We finally just > used the fiberfill & stuffed her blouse, a fitted Victorian high-collared > style, after she put it on to fill out the necessary areas. That didn't > work really either, because after every scene we had to readjust the > fiberfill because it kept shifting & even falling out below the skirt. > She left puff-bunnies all over backstage but fortunately none fell out on > stage --although in one of the final scenes she suddenly developed a > "hernia" on her left side. > > Please --we may do this play again for the lower schools. Can anyone > give us any ideas on making a Mrs. Doubtfire-type removable bodyshape > suit on a low budget that won't cause the young actress to expire with > heat? > > Thanks for any & all suggestions. > > Blessings, > Susannah > > > --------------------------------- > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just > 2˘/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 23:23:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3NeXe010553 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:23:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B3NWZO010647; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:23:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3NHnI013710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3NFQv006955; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3NCMu006914 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:23:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.243.90] (acty2090.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.90]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB445CA95 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <443B2116.3060704@dandy.net> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:23:02 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions References: <004a01c65d14$5a41d230$0200a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: <004a01c65d14$5a41d230$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:23:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B2134.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, All. For excellent ruff info, I regard Lisa Sinervo's site www.thrednedlestrete.com as being quite useful. She has done considerable research into creating a working setup for starching ruffs and has considerable knowledge as to their construction. I also know that Ninya and Jane have done so much work in the area that they would also be a great source for info. Between the two, I don't think you can go wrong...Cheers, Mike T. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 23:39:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3d544010721 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:39:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B3cv5f016655; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:39:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3ceGV015434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:38:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3ccaX018279; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3cZJM018236 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:38:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.243.90] (acty2090.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.90]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2F75C849 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <443B24B3.3010007@dandy.net> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:38:27 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress References: <20060411030420.90910.qmail@web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060411030420.90910.qmail@web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:39:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B24D1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi. Was the issue the weight or the breathability of the garment? If weight, you can get inflatable bags from your local stationary supply (Staples, etc.), used for shipping padding, and make a bodyform where the bags are taped in. If you do this make sure none of the plastic is on her skin, it gets hot and sweaty. If the heat is an issue, remember that insulation results where there is a place for air to accumulate and warm. You can probably find some modern materials that are good at wicking out moisture (sweat), but heat, esp. under theatrical lights, is another thing. Best to do is have her rehearse in it to become acclimatized, and make sure she is in it as little as necessary. Handheld or table fans while offstage are helpful, as are cooling cloths (alcohol evaporates faster than water, BTW) and keep her head uncovered if at all possible. Clothing should be light colored to avoid absorbing heat radiation and, of course, lightweight natural materials are better than synthetics that do not breathe. Anything more will probably require a complex, expensive cooling system unless you can make some sort of balloon suit with a fan in it that both swells out the body and cools it...sort of being inside a Macy's Thanksgiving Day balloon. Hmmm, this might be workable, something to think about....Cheers, Mike T. (now thinking about computer fans and DC power sources, hehehehehehe!) > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 23:42:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3gpl5010737 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:42:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B3ghKU018269; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:42:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3gSAf015841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:42:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3gRNj021321; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3gOJH021231 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:42:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IXJ00H25GYFKR10@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:42:14 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress In-reply-to: <38107.162.119.64.110.1144725327.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:42:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B25B3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is a tough one, but maybe cotton batting would work better because cotton breathes, polyester does not. If you "build" your shape using a cotton T-shirt as a base, layering your batting,to get the proper shape, it won't shift much and you can make it look very realistic. It will be flexible, also. Then tack all the together with large running stitches through all the layers. Then put another (larger ) T shirt over all the layers . tack again, and also stitch around arms, hem, neck to keep everything closed-- and you have a 1 piece garment that she can put on over her head. You could also split the back and add ties or hooks or velcro for closures... Just a thought. Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Diana Habra Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress > Recently we costumed for the play "A Little Princess." One of the > characters is a young girl with a bit of a weight problem. She was > superbly portrayed by a rather thin young girl. We stuffed a bodystocking > with fiberfill at first during rehearsals but it was so hot she nearly > passed out and became very flushed. So we tried having her wear three > cotton teeshirts but that didn't work too well either. We finally just > used the fiberfill & stuffed her blouse, a fitted Victorian high-collared > style, after she put it on to fill out the necessary areas. That didn't > work really either, because after every scene we had to readjust the > fiberfill because it kept shifting & even falling out below the skirt. > She left puff-bunnies all over backstage but fortunately none fell out on > stage --although in one of the final scenes she suddenly developed a > "hernia" on her left side. > > Please --we may do this play again for the lower schools. Can anyone > give us any ideas on making a Mrs. Doubtfire-type removable bodyshape > suit on a low budget that won't cause the young actress to expire with > heat? > > Thanks for any & all suggestions. > > Blessings, > Susannah > > > --------------------------------- > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just > 2˘/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 01:22:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B5Mu6V012275 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:22:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B5MmsO024323; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:22:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B5MAUx026463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:22:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B5M1Uc090701; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:22:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B5LxZB090620 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:22:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 3841F1800130 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:21:53 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 11 Apr 2006 05:21:53 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2AF373384B; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:21:53 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:21:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Received: from [149.169.241.80] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:21:53 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 149.169.241.80 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060411052153.2AF373384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3B5LxZB090620 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:22:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B3D28.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kathleen wrote: > Bought the sarong at the same time and inquired how I might get a bolt of > That fabric. The response was NA. Sigh... Coincidentally, I just got an email from Dharma asking for suggestions about what new fabrics people want to see, so it might be worthwhile to email them. -Katie -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 05:34:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B9Y2pC020375 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:34:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B9Xr5Y013872; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:33:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B9XNSf061455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:33:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B9XIri047982; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3B9XE8c047908 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:33:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 6665 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 09:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.142.33.36 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 09:33:08 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060411103014.01e03e78@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:33:08 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <7410FEBA-C310-11DA-B66E-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> References: <7410FEBA-C310-11DA-B66E-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Steam Iron source X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:33:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B7801.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a steam iron with a separate reservoir in the U.S. She says she has not been able to find one. Also, if there is a source, any recommendations as to brand. I have a Tefal bought here in the U.K. and it *loves* ironing linen (which is more than I do!) Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate machining!!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 05:36:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B9afUS021025 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:36:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B9aXNv014980; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:36:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B9aPc5062213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B9aOXL049855; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B9aLXQ049810 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:36:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247ef.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.239]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 312D4A50029 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:36:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:36:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:36:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B78A1.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Im trying to make the stays with the laced stomacher 1740-50. I found a lovely silk brocade for this in a period collour. The pattern has not laced shouder pieces. Do you think they were just sewn finished? Anyway here´s a link: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 06:09:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BA8uD3028611 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:08:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BA8mK5028042; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:08:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BA8VTt070146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:08:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BA8Unm069791; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:08:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3BA8PhD069697 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:08:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 5194 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 10:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.142.33.36 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 10:08:20 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060411110629.01e18a50@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:08:20 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. In-Reply-To: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3BA8PhD069697 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:08:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B8030.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 10:36 11/04/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >Im trying to make the stays with the laced >stomacher 1740-50. I found a lovely silk brocade for this in a period collour. >The pattern has not laced shouder pieces. Do you >think they were just sewn finished? >Anyway here´s a link: >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm > >Bjarne These stays work fine if they are laced. See the ones on my web site from the same pattern. I don't know about these particular ones in real life, but all the other stays I have looked at are laced. http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=1750_corset.jpg Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 06:19:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BAJjGH029579 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:19:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BAJcL5032103; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:19:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BAJNK4071207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:19:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BAJL52076466; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:19:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav10.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BAJHTM076429 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:19:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:19:16 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY107-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:19:14 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:19:15 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2006 10:19:16.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[633F1310:01C65D51] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:19:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B82BA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It's difficult to tell from the line drawing. Do you have access to a photo of the original stays? I would hazzard to guess, that with the rounded tip to the strap, that the artist was looking at a laced strap, just didn't draw in the eyelet. By the way, it looks fabulous! Where do you get the wiessner boning? I'd love to try some for my next stays. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. > Hi, > Im trying to make the stays with the laced stomacher 1740-50. I found a > lovely silk brocade for this in a period collour. > The pattern has not laced shouder pieces. Do you think they were just sewn > finished? > Anyway here´s a link: > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 08:09:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BC9eie015101 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:09:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BC9XRY014845; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:09:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BC8v7G080996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BC8mTu045851; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BC8jtx045728 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:08:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AC4501EC; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:08:37 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 11 Apr 2006 08:08:34 -0400 Message-ID: <005001c65d61$05c14180$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7410FEBA-C310-11DA-B66E-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060411103014.01e03e78@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:11:09 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:09:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B9C7D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Rowena used to have a small iron with a removable reservoir. I know Greenberg and Hammer carry the commercial steamer. Also other 'Shop'supplies. If she goes online she will find more sources than she has time to search. Perhaps starting with eBay?... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:33 AM Subject: [h-cost] Steam Iron source > > Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a steam iron with a > separate reservoir in the U.S. She says she has not been able to find > one. Also, if there is a source, any recommendations as to brand. I > have a Tefal bought here in the U.K. and it *loves* ironing linen > (which is more than I do!) > > Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate > machining!!) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 08:57:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCvKxX015433 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:57:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BCvCHA005899; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:57:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCuprV085194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:56:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCui2k078322; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCuf7n078214 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:56:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.31f.242fbdb (15703) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r15 (mblk-r15.mblk.aol.com [152.163.211.206]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID54-3d57443ba780218; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:56:32 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:56:35 -0400 Message-Id: <8C82B7E800C1135-5E4-19B@mblk-r15.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <7410FEBA-C310-11DA-B66E-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060411103014.01e03e78@127.0.0.1> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by mblk-r15.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.206) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:56:35 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060411103014.01e03e78@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17281 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.206 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:57:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443BA7A8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There were 2 or 3 models advertised a couple of years ago in one of my quilting magazines, but for the life of me I can't remember at the moment which one. But check Quilting Today that one seems to stick in my head. Hope this helps. theresa -----Original Message----- From: Suzi Clarke To: Historical Costume Sent: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:33:08 +0100 Subject: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a steam iron with a separate reservoir in the U.S. She says she has not been able to find one. Also, if there is a source, any recommendations as to brand. I have a Tefal bought here in the U.K. and it *loves* ironing linen (which is more than I do!) Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate machining!!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 08:58:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCw32X015440 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:58:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BCvtCg020710; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:57:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCvh6i085293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:57:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCvhHH079122; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:57:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav5.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BADplQ073287 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:13:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:13:50 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY107-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:13:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7410FEBA-C310-11DA-B66E-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060411103014.01e03e78@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:13:49 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2006 10:13:50.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[A104EFE0:01C65D50] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:57:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443BA7D3.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Greenberg and Hammer in New York city carry all kinds of tailoring equipment like irons and such. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:33 AM Subject: [h-cost] Steam Iron source > > Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a steam iron with a > separate reservoir in the U.S. She says she has not been able to find one. > Also, if there is a source, any recommendations as to brand. I have a > Tefal bought here in the U.K. and it *loves* ironing linen (which is more > than I do!) > > Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate > machining!!) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 08:58:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCwNfk015449 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:58:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BCwG5N009122; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:58:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCw0mD085332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCvxA1079379; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BC3O7T042390 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:03:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AB050244; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:03:17 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 11 Apr 2006 08:03:04 -0400 Message-ID: <004801c65d60$40de6c80$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060411052153.2AF373384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:05:38 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:58:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443BA7E8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I got it too, but haven't had time to reply.Can do it later today! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains > Kathleen wrote: > > > Bought the sarong at the same time and inquired how I might get a bolt of > > That fabric. The response was NA. Sigh... > > Coincidentally, I just got an email from Dharma asking for suggestions about what new fabrics people want to see, so it might be worthwhile to email them. > > -Katie > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 08:58:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCwY8D015455 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:58:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BCwRcq027830; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:58:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCwAHJ085366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:58:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCwAAb079533; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:58:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCrwcw076255 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:54:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.306.28ab294 (16097) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r15 (mblk-r15.mblk.aol.com [152.163.211.206]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-3ee1443ba6d5237; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:53:41 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:53:45 -0400 Message-Id: <8C82B7E1A99CBD7-5E4-16B@mblk-r15.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <20060411052153.2AF373384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by mblk-r15.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.206) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:53:45 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <20060411052153.2AF373384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17281 Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.206 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:58:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443BA7F3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Went to the Daarma site yesterday and asked for light weight wool, had to go to Hancocks to pick up tapestry needles for some needlepoint I was working on and they had some really nice 100% light weight wool, only a couple of pieces that could be period but since I hadn't bought new fabric in almost a month bought all they had that was period. Talk about luck theresa -----Original Message----- From: Katie Lewis To: Historical Costume Sent: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:21:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Kathleen wrote: > Bought the sarong at the same time and inquired how I might get a bolt of > That fabric. The response was NA. Sigh... Coincidentally, I just got an email from Dharma asking for suggestions about what new fabrics people want to see, so it might be worthwhile to email them. -Katie -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default. asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 09:45:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BDji73015836 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:45:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BDjamV031864; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:45:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BDj81d089796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:45:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BDj2in013628; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:45:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BDiwW9013565 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:45:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 53732402 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:27:14 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:45:14 -0500 Message-ID: <02d701c65d6e$2930d650$6701a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060411103014.01e03e78@127.0.0.1> Thread-Index: AcZdSzkvC/i7eo2EQVicAbVYxgWNgAAItO5g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 129, in=186, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:45:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443BB300.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have a very nice Euro-Pro with separate reservoir. I got it at Jo-Anne Fabrics. I've also seen them on line. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:33 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a steam iron with a separate reservoir in the U.S. She says she has not been able to find one. Also, if there is a source, any recommendations as to brand. I have a Tefal bought here in the U.K. and it *loves* ironing linen (which is more than I do!) Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate machining!!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 10:10:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BEAu1q016059 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:10:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BEAm4a013126; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:10:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BEAW47093025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:10:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BEATcX034704; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:10:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BEAQiR034649 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:10:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5529.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.41]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0434EA5002D for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:10:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000a01c65d71$b5f94e20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. > It's difficult to tell from the line drawing. Do you have access to a > photo of the original stays? I would hazzard to guess, that with the > rounded tip to the strap, that the artist was looking at a laced strap, > just didn't draw in the eyelet. > > By the way, it looks fabulous! Where do you get the wiessner boning? I'd > love to try some for my next stays. > > Kelly Hi Kelly, Well i ordered directly from the firm in Germany. You got to take 250 meters of it, but i wouldnt mind because i use it a lot. I have heard that there are usa importers, but i dont know who, sorry..... Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 10:20:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BEKmru016128 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:20:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BEKeDV019436; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:20:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BEKIdZ094629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BEKHCn043396; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:20:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BEKDW0043339 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5529.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.41]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 024C1FAC051 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:20:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002301c65d73$156d61b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060411110629.01e18a50@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. 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Status: RO Hi Suzi, How nice to see it live! Thanks for posting it, yours is very nice, lovely collours two. Do you like the shape it gives? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. > At 10:36 11/04/2006, you wrote: >>Hi, >>Im trying to make the stays with the laced stomacher 1740-50. I found a >>lovely silk brocade for this in a period collour. >>The pattern has not laced shouder pieces. Do you think they were just sewn >>finished? >>Anyway here´s a link: >>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm >> >>Bjarne > > > > These stays work fine if they are laced. See the ones on my web site from > the same pattern. I don't know about these particular ones in real life, > but all the other stays I have looked at are laced. > > http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=1750_corset.jpg > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 10:29:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BETfGi016209 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:29:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BETYHi025122; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:29:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BET2uB096048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:29:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BET06Z050930; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:29:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3BESrbf050787 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:28:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 67209 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 14:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.142.33.36 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 14:28:46 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060411152634.01e0bdf8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:28:48 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. 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Status: RO At 15:20 11/04/2006, you wrote: >Hi Suzi, >How nice to see it live! >Thanks for posting it, yours is very nice, lovely collours two. >Do you like the shape it gives? It works very well for the period. But it is very period specific and would not be suitable for all 18th century stuff. You can of course make it either with or without the separate stomacher.. I have a Hunnisett version of the pattern which is what I used, (not exactly as in her book,) and which is without the separate stomacher. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 14:44:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BIiBj7019805 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:44:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BIi4vM025941; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:44:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BIhLoe049715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:43:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BIhCM7086500; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:43:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BIfdiA085445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:42:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3BIfUs3018939 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:41:38 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52751.72.13.239.193.1144780898.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:44:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443BF8F4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi Bjarne, I'm trying to remember if I've seen any extant 18thC stays, with straps, that were not tied. Tying them seems to be the normal thing to do. Has anyone seen originals with solid straps? The pattern looks to me like it's two different pieces where the strap meets the front, not sewn together. I think they just did not bother to draw in the eyelets for the lacing. Also it seems that when stays have lacing in the front and back, women in the 18thC would lace the back when putting them on, and the front would stay as is. But that's not the way we do it today, because if we have the convenience of the front lacing we want to use it! Here is why the straps work better when laced: Generally we put the stays on and they hang from the shoulders as we lace them up. But then I discover the shoulder straps are loose. So I think the purpose of the lacing on the straps was to snug them to a better fit once the stays are laced. The best way to wear them is to loosen the straps a bit, lace the stays, and then tighten the straps. And be sure the lady puts on shoes and does her hair before putting on stays! So definitely make the straps with a lacing, and a length that does allows for some adjustment as Suzi did them. -Carol > Hi, > Im trying to make the stays with the laced stomacher 1740-50. I found a > lovely silk brocade for this in a period collour. > The pattern has not laced shouder pieces. Do you think they were just sewn > finished? > Anyway here´s a link: > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 14:55:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BItdWw020040 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:55:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BItWY1001314; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:55:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BIoD9N051149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:50:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BIo7ii092864; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:50:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BIo1q5092729 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:50:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55e1.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.225]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id ACBA0FAC081 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:49:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c65d98$bcf5b7f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <52751.72.13.239.193.1144780898.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:50:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:55:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443BFBA4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hello Carol, Many thanks for your informations, ill keep this in mind, and ill pass along the tips to my client. Oh yes i had another question. Do you think i should use a linnen binding for the tabs and the bustline, straps? Thanks again. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. > Hi Bjarne, > > I'm trying to remember if I've seen any extant 18thC stays, with > straps, that were not tied. Tying them seems to be the normal thing > to do. Has anyone seen originals with solid straps? > > The pattern looks to me like it's two different pieces where the > strap meets the front, not sewn together. I think they just did not > bother to draw in the eyelets for the lacing. > > Also it seems that when stays have lacing in the front and back, > women in the 18thC would lace the back when putting them on, and the > front would stay as is. But that's not the way we do it today, > because if we have the convenience of the front lacing we want to use > it! > > Here is why the straps work better when laced: Generally we put the > stays on and they hang from the shoulders as we lace them up. But > then I discover the shoulder straps are loose. So I think the > purpose of the lacing on the straps was to snug them to a better fit > once the stays are laced. The best way to wear them is to loosen the > straps a bit, lace the stays, and then tighten the straps. And be > sure the lady puts on shoes and does her hair before putting on > stays! > > So definitely make the straps with a lacing, and a length that does > allows for some adjustment as Suzi did them. > > -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 15:08:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BJ81fO020357 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:08:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BJ7rri009287; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:07:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BJ7Cab054494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:07:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BJ79FB009568; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:07:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BJ6qEn009348 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:06:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.147]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060411190641.DSNP12807.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:06:41 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060411135813.02610a30@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:06:38 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Henry VIII book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:07:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443BFE89.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO There is a new book coming out later this year that sounds pretty good. Beth Matney Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII by Maria Hayward. Maney Pub. (2006). Clothbound with full colour dustjacket, ca 384 pages with ca 150 b&w and 30 colour illustrations. ISBN 1 904350 70 4. http://www.maney.co.uk/search?fwaction=show&fwid=649 "Henry VIII used his wardrobe, and that of his family and household, as a way of expressing his wealth and magnificence. This book will encompass the first detailed study of male and female dress worn at the court of Henry VIII (1509-47) and will cover the dress of the king and his immediate family, the royal household and the broader court circle consisting of the nobility and clergy. Evidence will be drawn primarily from the Great Wardrobe accounts, wardrobe warrants, and inventories, and it will be interpreted using evidence from narrative sources, paintings, drawings and surviving garments. Key areas for consideration will include the cut and construction of garments, materials and colours, the function of livery and the hierarchy of dress amongst the social elite, and the network of craftsmen and merchants working for the court. " Maria Hayward (FSA, Reader in Textile Conservation, University of Southampton, UK) is also Assistant Editor of Costume - Journal of The Costume Society _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 15:18:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BJI5sV020804 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:18:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BJHvYB016374; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:18:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BJGRRc056282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:16:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BJGOSt018773; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:16:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BJGJ3c018659 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:16:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55e1.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.225]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EEDAE262878 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:16:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001d01c65d9c$6b519d70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:16:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] spiral lacing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:18:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C00E5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi, Have any of you ever seen extra tapes sewed to the top and bottom center backs, for tying on if you use spiral lacing? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 17:34:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BLYJTE023471 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:34:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BLYA0w000744; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:34:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BLSLYO077986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:28:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BLS8we042528; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:28:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52103.mail.yahoo.com (web52103.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.106]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3BKaEkq093365 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:36:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 35461 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2006 20:35:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WewXq0DpkQ2faxYyeyKWMz8ilhxQ2G3XD5U86/KWpqatCkdbQpP70VobyLKs1nSBO9S7G1E95W3jyHwHqJ4TDmKgPBd+UWGSOseaDUaaCu9LHJJEVl9D2EJTfGZASBJJ0/2OmVGKq2K/p1jOredAgJwmZt0Aj3U8QQkW6odbERY= ; Message-ID: <20060411203543.35458.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:35:43 EDT Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:35:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Subject: [h-cost] Wanting some pix X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:34:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C20D2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Greetings, I am gathering together information for a new project that some photography would greatly benefit from. I was hoping some sympathetic soul somewhere close to Manchester Square, London would be willing to do a quick (of course, if allowed) photo tour of the Wallace Collection for a particular cast collar. I have emailed Hertford House, and received no response to my request for more information regarding this item. I am at this point assuming the object (The "Archer's Guild Collar" is the object of my interest) is still in their collection and on display at Hertford House. If anyone in the London UK area is willing to take a few photos, email me offlist, and I will give you more details. Thanks, Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On ebay: http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=premiereprops5 Includes items from Chicago, Dracula, Gangs of New York, Shakespeare in Love, and more. Unfortunately a lot of it ends tonight, but you should be able to search completed auctions for items from this seller. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 19:05:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BN5NfH025574 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:05:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BN5FWR009772; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:05:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BN4hxJ093186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:04:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BN4WDu028791; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:04:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51704.mail.yahoo.com (web51704.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.222]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3BN4UA5028669 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:04:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from delasue@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 67241 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2006 23:04:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ST0Qm5gCb5o/ojhohkUJvJ757ckXL4783gkdNu/1X010UWCnS7ROp+bw0noh0IsBGbEe59CftrL22YD9yrhgLjlzHUNUqZawlCL4L81eASRqhx/u30CiAIDT798k+YlbCu2k3oReQ9PA6MOa0RLBl6fpu8rKHG4keJZVaOpQyoU= ; Message-ID: <20060411230425.67239.qmail@web51704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.227.201.252] by web51704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:04:25 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:04:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Kay Shelton To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] steam iron source in US X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:05:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C362B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I bought my EuroPro, which has a separate steam reservoir, at Tuesday Morning. I like it a lot! Kay Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a steam iron with a separate reservoir in the U.S. She says she has not been able to find one. Also, if there is a source, any recommendations as to brand. I have a Tefal bought here in the U.K. and it *loves* ironing linen (which is more than I do!) Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate machining!!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 19:12:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNCPYL026031 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:12:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BNCIGG012819; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:12:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNBlDi094321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNBi08034923; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:11:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3BNBenE034784 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:11:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 84633 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 23:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.142.33.36 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 23:11:34 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060412000905.01e06258@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:11:36 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wanting some pix In-Reply-To: <20060411203543.35458.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060411203543.35458.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:12:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C37D2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 21:35 11/04/2006, you wrote: >Greetings, > >I am gathering together information for a new project >that some photography would greatly benefit from. > >I was hoping some sympathetic soul somewhere close to >Manchester Square, London would be willing to do a >quick (of course, if allowed) photo tour of the >Wallace Collection for a particular cast collar. I >have emailed Hertford House, and received no response >to my request for more information regarding this >item. I am at this point assuming the object (The >"Archer's Guild Collar" is the object of my interest) >is still in their collection and on display at >Hertford House. > >If anyone in the London UK area is willing to take a >few photos, email me offlist, and I will give you more >details. > >Thanks, > >Kathy Kathy The Wallace Collection does not allow photographs to be taken in any of its collection. If it is Arms and Armour, you should contact the specific department. The curator was of A and A (may still be) David Edge, but I only have a personal address for him - sorry. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 19:14:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNE1au026058 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:14:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BNDrOu013423; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:13:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNDZcx094551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNDXB6036418; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:13:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3BNDSe0036275 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:13:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 68344 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 23:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.142.33.36 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 23:13:23 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060412001227.01e0b7a0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:13:25 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] spiral lacing In-Reply-To: <001d01c65d9c$6b519d70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001d01c65d9c$6b519d70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:13:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C3831.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 20:16 11/04/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >Have any of you ever seen extra tapes sewed to the top and bottom >center backs, for tying on if you use spiral lacing? > >Bjarne Not in any extant corsets I've seen - certainly in museums they don't usually even bother to lace them properly. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 19:18:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNIbKY026149 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:18:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BNIUDj015691; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:18:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNHsgn095143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:17:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNHovE039804; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:17:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNHbFu039654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:17:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3BJMYTx020697 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:22:37 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53144.72.13.239.193.1144783357.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <000501c65d98$bcf5b7f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <52751.72.13.239.193.1144780898.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <000501c65d98$bcf5b7f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:18:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C3946.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > Oh yes i had another question. Do you think i should use a linnen binding > for the tabs and the bustline, straps? > Thanks again. I think fully boned stays in such an elegant fabric deserve white kid leather for a binding. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 19:55:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNtMWo027083 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:55:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BNtEhl001098; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:55:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNshEj099642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:54:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNsd44069308; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:54:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNsMMA069141 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:54:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.36.22]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXL0050D123SF19@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:54:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:53:36 -0400 From: "Jeanine E. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO May be if every one on the list sent a similar request they'll think about it. Jeanine Lloyd Mitchell wrote: >I got it too, but haven't had time to reply.Can do it later today! >Kathleen >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Katie Lewis" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:21 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains > > > > >>Kathleen wrote: >> >> >> >>>Bought the sarong at the same time and inquired how I might get a bolt >>> >>> >of > > >>>That fabric. The response was NA. Sigh... >>> >>> >>Coincidentally, I just got an email from Dharma asking for suggestions >> >> >about what new fabrics people want to see, so it might be worthwhile to >email them. > > >>-Katie >> >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow >> >> >Pages > > >> >> >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 20:11:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C0BcgL027356 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:11:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3C0BUqX008411; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:11:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C0AjOs002753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:10:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C0Ag09081525; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:10:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from thog.systems.wvu.edu (thog.systems.wvu.edu [157.182.232.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C0Abtx081381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:10:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by thog.systems.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3C0AWMp009697 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:10:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:10:32 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:10:04 -0400 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3C0Abtx081381 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:11:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C45B2.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Susannah, My Masters Thesis in Theatre Costume in Dec. 2000 was "The Emperor's New Clothes," set in ancient China, for children's theatre. We made a fat suit of foam sheeting for the actor who played the Emperor. It was actually built by Kent Parker, who was the manager of the Costume Shop at that time. He had lots of experience in making fantasy characters. If you'd like to take a look at the process and some pictures, my thesis is online. I'm going to give you rather convoluted instructions on how to get there. You can also get to it through UMI, but they make you email the pdf to yourself. It is 28 Mb since there are so many pictures. If you can pull it up, the instructions below might actually be easier. Go to: http://www.libraries.wvu.edu click on MountainLynx Catalog in the top right corner search by author: Hoover, Kathleen M. click the link in the record click again on the next record click the web link at the bottom of the page click "Access Document" click "Hoover_Kathleen.pdf the section on the Fat Suit starts on page 253 (there are some messages about missing fonts, but if you just click OK, it'll come up) There are embedded pictures in the text or you can scroll to all the pictures in the appendix at the end. *I realize we used a regular-sized college-age male actor, who could better withstand the heat than a young, thin girl, but here's what we did to help him. He wore a cotton flannel "jumpsuit" as the innermost layer, and, since the fat suit was meant to make him look quite LARGE, there was some air space between the flannel and the foam. We also had water and electric fans ready backstage whenever he came off. He had costume changes to go over the fat suit, and of course he appeared (nearly) naked in the last scene. And while it *was* hot to wear, it wasn't unbearable. I hope this helps you, Kathy Hoover >>> susannaheanes@yahoo.com 04/10/06 11:04 PM >>> Recently we costumed for the play "A Little Princess." One of the characters is a young girl with a bit of a weight problem. She was superbly portrayed by a rather thin young girl. We stuffed a bodystocking with fiberfill at first during rehearsals but it was so hot she nearly passed out and became very flushed. So we tried having her wear three cotton teeshirts but that didn't work too well either. We finally just used the fiberfill & stuffed her blouse, a fitted Victorian high-collared style, after she put it on to fill out the necessary areas. That didn't work really either, because after every scene we had to readjust the fiberfill because it kept shifting & even falling out below the skirt. She left puff-bunnies all over backstage but fortunately none fell out on stage --although in one of the final scenes she suddenly developed a "hernia" on her left side. Please --we may do this play again for the lower schools. Can anyone give us any ideas on making a Mrs. Doubtfire-type removable bodyshape suit on a low budget that won't cause the young actress to expire with heat? Thanks for any & all suggestions. Blessings, Susannah --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2˘/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 21:20:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C1KwK1029001 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:20:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3C1KoZG008070; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:20:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C1KKkb014320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:20:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C1KHGT032604; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:20:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C1KDEM032520 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.314.29e9ee0 (4418) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:20:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <314.29e9ee0.316dafc0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:20:00 EDT Subject: [h-cost] Steam Iron source To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:20:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C55F2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate machining!!) ps - meant glad it's not just me that feels like that :-))) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 22:02:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C22rQe029783 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:02:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3C22jQs028616; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:02:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C227mo022972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:02:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C225I6063240; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:02:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C223PG063197 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:02:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7A65E303 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060411183740.03970950@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:00:54 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060411103014.01e03e78@127.0.0.1> References: <7410FEBA-C310-11DA-B66E-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060411103014.01e03e78@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:02:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C5FC5.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 02:33 AM 4/11/2006, you wrote: >Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a steam iron with a >separate reservoir in the U.S. She says she has not been able to find one. >Also, if there is a source, any recommendations as to brand. I have a >Tefal bought here in the U.K. and it *loves* ironing linen (which is more >than I do!) > >Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate >machining!!) I have heard of Euro-Pro and Rowenta that carries a separate tank. I plan on getting the Rowenta, as I have heard better reviews on that particular brand from a few of my friends and fiber arts teachers. Doing a google search, I am finding two different model numbers: ROWENTA DG-980 Expert Steam Generator Rowenta DG-580 Steam Generator ("Does not have the removable water tank for refilling while ironing like the Rowenta DG-980 does.") Looking at Allbrands site, they have several different steam irons with tanks at different price marks and quality, from home use to pro use. http://www.allbrands.com/products/abc0083.html hth, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 22:30:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C2UDmS030350 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:30:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3C2U5hT010244; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:30:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C2TRxZ029531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C2TPtR083810; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C2TLNN083761 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:29:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805F310EB8 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IXL00JKS88WHA@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 02:29:20 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: Re: [h-cost] steam iron source in US In-reply-to: <20060411230425.67239.qmail@web51704.mail.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <443C6600.8040906@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051226) References: <20060411230425.67239.qmail@web51704.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:30:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C662D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO JoAnn's? Sometimes Hancock's? They carry the Rowenta version. http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=95070&PRODID=70935&source=search Right now it's on sale. I don't have one of those yet, and am not really considering it right now, so cannot comment on how well it works. Roger Kay Shelton wrote: >I bought my EuroPro, which has a separate steam >reservoir, at Tuesday Morning. I like it a lot! >Kay > > >Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a >steam iron with a separate reservoir in the U.S. She >says she has not >been able to find one. Also, if there is a source, any >recommendations >as to brand. I have a Tefal bought here in the U.K. >and it *loves* >ironing linen (which is more than I do!) > >Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate >ironing, and I hate >machining!!) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 05:44:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C9iaOR022689 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:44:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3C9iSHU030827; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:44:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C9i1eO007687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:44:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C9huWu079571; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:43:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C9hqUf079493 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:43:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AAAA7C50656; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:38:50 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to anactress Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 02:43:57 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c65e15$9ef13590$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060411030420.90910.qmail@web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3C9hqUf079493 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:44:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443CCBFC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO You could use those air filled plastic bladders they use as filler for packages. They are very lightweight, and if you keep a layer of cotton between the body and the bladders, it should be ok. I just got some today in my box from Amazon. You could blow up zip lock bags and get the same effect-more sizes, too. They're so lightweight you can just use gaffers tape to hold them in place. Plus they're super cheap. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of susannah eanes Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:04 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to anactress Recently we costumed for the play "A Little Princess." One of the characters is a young girl with a bit of a weight problem. She was superbly portrayed by a rather thin young girl. We stuffed a bodystocking with fiberfill at first during rehearsals but it was so hot she nearly passed out and became very flushed. So we tried having her wear three cotton teeshirts but that didn't work too well either. We finally just used the fiberfill & stuffed her blouse, a fitted Victorian high-collared style, after she put it on to fill out the necessary areas. That didn't work really either, because after every scene we had to readjust the fiberfill because it kept shifting & even falling out below the skirt. She left puff-bunnies all over backstage but fortunately none fell out on stage --although in one of the final scenes she suddenly developed a "hernia" on her left side. Please --we may do this play again for the lower schools. Can anyone give us any ideas on making a Mrs. Doubtfire-type removable bodyshape suit on a low budget that won't cause the young actress to expire with heat? Thanks for any & all suggestions. Blessings, Susannah --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2˘/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 08:03:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CC3BSF017794 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:03:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CC34Rp017908; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:03:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CC2ddq028581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CC2ZDg065395; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:02:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C9Avfd059366 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:10:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247dd.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.221]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3968726286D for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:10:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c65e11$0470bcb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:11:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] kid skin X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:03:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443CEC78.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi, Carol suggested me to use kid skin on the binding of the stays i make. Only i dont know what that is. Is it goat skin? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 08:04:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CC43jd017834 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:04:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CC3ukM016466; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:03:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CC3NHK028677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:03:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CC3ML9065925; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:03:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C9wFbn087985 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:58:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.38b.317d9f (3699) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:58:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <38b.317d9f.316e2930@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:58:08 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:03:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443CECAC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/11/2006 8:11:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, khoover@wvu.edu writes: We made a fat suit of foam sheeting for the actor who played the Emperor. When I worked at the Washington Shakespeare Theatre, we also made a foam suit for Falstaff. I didn't mention it originally because the poster said she needed something cheap, and the foam isn't! It is the dark gray foam generally used, I believe, for HVAC purposes, and it was something like $100 a sheet then, over 10 years ago. I also can't attest to how comfortable it was for the actor to wear, but I know it is very lightweight. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 08:48:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CCmceG020741 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:48:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CCmVnA009154; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:48:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CCmEqQ032887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:48:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CCmBRL098338; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:48:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CCm70R098259 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:48:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7647D0BD for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:48:05 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-115.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-115.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.115]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:48:05 +1000 Message-ID: <1144846085.443cf705891d5@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:48:05 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin References: <000501c65e11$0470bcb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000501c65e11$0470bcb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:48:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443CF71F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Kid skin is very soft, very supple, has a little stretch. You get it from children, -C. kid skin > i dont know what that is. > Is it goat skin? ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 09:08:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CD8xJh021850 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:08:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CD8pdr021235; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:08:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CD7vBk034830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:07:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CD7sVS012775; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:07:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CD7oKG012712 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:07:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247dd.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.221]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E550AA5006A for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:07:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001201c65e32$1ddaeba0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c65e11$0470bcb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1144846085.443cf705891d5@webmail.netspace.net.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:07:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:08:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443CFBE4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Gosh if that is the case, ill have to skip it dont i? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin > Kid skin is very soft, very supple, has a little stretch. You get it from > children, > > -C. > > kid skin >> i dont know what that is. >> Is it goat skin? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 09:10:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDA7um021912 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:10:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CDA0I3031994; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:10:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CD9b0w035036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:09:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CD9Zwo014053; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:09:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CD9XKQ013960 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:09:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter77.comcast.net ([204.127.197.177]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060412130927m12003pe30e>; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:09:27 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter77.comcast.net; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:09:27 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:09:27 +0000 Message-Id: <041220061309.23964.443CFC070001046D00005D9C22007510900809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:10:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443CFC28.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com > > Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate > machining!!) > > ps - meant glad it's not just me that feels like that :-))) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 09:10:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDAtqF021957 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:10:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CDAluJ014106; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:10:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDAMjx035139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:10:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDAME5014625; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:10:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDAJ88014588 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:10:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247dd.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.221]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D5B2262894 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:10:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001e01c65e32$7ac5ffd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:10:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] kid scin X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:10:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443CFC57.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 09:16:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDGdhs022490 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:16:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CDGW5f025903; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:16:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDGFn3035860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:16:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDGEVE019063; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:16:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDG9tV018949 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:16:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IXM008OE26PKZMC@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:15:59 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Steam Iron source In-reply-to: <6.2.1.2.0.20060411183740.03970950@64.87.54.245> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:16:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443CFDB0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I use the Rowenta iron with the separate reservoir and it is fabulous! Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kimiko Small Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:01 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source At 02:33 AM 4/11/2006, you wrote: >Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a steam iron with a >separate reservoir in the U.S. She says she has not been able to find one. >Also, if there is a source, any recommendations as to brand. I have a >Tefal bought here in the U.K. and it *loves* ironing linen (which is more >than I do!) > >Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate >machining!!) I have heard of Euro-Pro and Rowenta that carries a separate tank. I plan on getting the Rowenta, as I have heard better reviews on that particular brand from a few of my friends and fiber arts teachers. Doing a google search, I am finding two different model numbers: ROWENTA DG-980 Expert Steam Generator Rowenta DG-580 Steam Generator ("Does not have the removable water tank for refilling while ironing like the Rowenta DG-980 does.") Looking at Allbrands site, they have several different steam irons with tanks at different price marks and quality, from home use to pro use. http://www.allbrands.com/products/abc0083.html hth, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 09:26:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDQvYK023026 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:26:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CDQoaI032107; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:26:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDQZAR037224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:26:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDQXlk027734; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:26:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDQSUC027572 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:26:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k3CDQKK01637.; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:26:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:26:20 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:26:12 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3CDQSUC027572 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:26:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D001A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO "Kid gloves" were commonly worn with smart clothing in the 19th century. A kid is a young goat. We also have a saying "to handle something/someone with kid gloves" meaning very carefully or tactfully, kid gloves being thinner and more supple than ordinary leather ones. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 09:36:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDa2xE023575 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:36:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CDZsgF005187; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:35:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDZYsK038087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:35:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDZVkX034383; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:35:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3CDZQ8d034228 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:35:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27809 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 13:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.198.202 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 13:35:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060412143133.01e13630@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:34:56 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin In-Reply-To: <001201c65e32$1ddaeba0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c65e11$0470bcb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1144846085.443cf705891d5@webmail.netspace.net.au> <001201c65e32$1ddaeba0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:35:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D023A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 14:07 12/04/2006, you wrote: >Gosh if that is the case, ill have to skip it dont i? > >Bjarne > > >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:48 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin > > >>Kid skin is very soft, very supple, has a little stretch. You get it from >>children, >> >>-C. Bjarne Many extant corsets use chamois leather, like the leather you can use to wash a car with. There is often a small piece, about an inch deep inside and out, (sort of crescent shaped) under the arm towards the front armscye, to prevent chafing. The 178-0s corset from Hunnisett had this, and it made a lot of difference - no rubbing. Once upon a time that corset fitted me, and was soooo comfortable! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 09:39:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDdoVh023774 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:39:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CDdh9F007443; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:39:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDdTwe038441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:39:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDdJ10037637; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDdDWd037565 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:39:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m198.in-tch.com [216.166.191.198]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3CDTvA28877 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:29:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003501c65e37$83578100$c6bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c65e11$0470bcb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><1144846085.443cf705891d5@webmail.netspace.net.au> <001201c65e32$1ddaeba0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:46:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:39:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D031F.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO *sigh* Bjarne, the original poster was either teasing you or ignorant, and my bet's on the teasing. "Kid skin" is the skin of young, immature goats. A reasonable substitute might be chamois, if you can find it. We can buy it here in the US in the automotive care section of some stores, since it's used as a "cloth" with which to dry or polish cars. It's a thin, flexible, and relatively inexpensive leather. I've got some in my stash for the binding of a 16th century corset, and for a trial pair of gloves, if I ever get my head out of the 14th century and back to the 16th..... --Sue in Montana (it's Spring!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin > Gosh if that is the case, ill have to skip it dont i? > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin > > > > Kid skin is very soft, very supple, has a little stretch. You get it from > > children, > > > > -C. > > > > kid skin > >> i dont know what that is. > >> Is it goat skin? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 10:26:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CEQQ5p026863 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:26:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CEQF23003603; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:26:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CEPnMJ045137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:25:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CEPhSM078040; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:25:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CEPHdm077590 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:25:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1fa.1d2f3bfb (16633) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:25:08 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:25:07 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:26:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D0E07.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/12/2006 9:36:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: Many extant corsets use chamois leather, like the leather you can use to wash a car with. There is often a small piece, about an inch deep inside and out, (sort of crescent shaped) under the arm towards the front armscye, to prevent chafing. *************** I've also seen an early 19th century waistcoat with a strip of chamois [about maybe 3/4 of an inch wide] lining the bottom of the fronts. The shirt Daniel Day-Lewis wears in "Last of the Mohicans" is of chamois leather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 10:49:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CEniiS028542 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:49:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CEnaQ6019305; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:49:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CEkTK7048070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:46:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CEkRIf097451; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:46:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CEkNCq097317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:46:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FTgbr-0006M9-BU; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:46:19 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:46:19 -0400 Message-ID: <20060412104619.0qml4zxsoc40g0gc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:46:19 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Quoting "Sharon at Collierfam.com" : > You could use those air filled plastic bladders they use as filler for > packages. They are very lightweight, and if you keep a layer of cotton > between the body and the bladders, it should be ok. I just got some today in > my box from Amazon. You could blow up zip lock bags and get the same > effect-more sizes, too. They're so lightweight you can just use gaffers tape > to hold them in place. Plus they're super cheap. But wouldn't all that plastic be rather *hot*? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 11:10:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CFAxrg029689 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:10:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CFAqhh001559; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:10:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CF9iJW052044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CF90Sw019014; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CF8b5b018552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:08:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3CF8R4d008873 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:08:30 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> References: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:10:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D187C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > In a message dated 4/12/2006 9:36:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > > Many extant corsets use chamois leather, like the leather you can use > to wash a car with. There is often a small piece, about an inch deep > inside and out, (sort of crescent shaped) under the arm towards the > front armscye, to prevent chafing. I've heard about using a wider piece of leather under the arms, although I haven't seen the originals with it. The extant stays I've seen have a thin white leather for binding, with a smooth surface. The chamois that I've seen is yellow, and has a suede-like surface. I know people like to use chamois because they can find it easily and it's thin (nicer for hand stitching). But I would like to hear more about the extant stays that use chamois leather for binding, and also those with the underarm reinforcement. Where are they? How often do those features show up in extant stays? Or do you mean something different for chamois - is it available white and with a smooth surface? -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 12:24:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGOQQq002596 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:24:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CGOJeq015137; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:24:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGNoEt063943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:23:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGNZuD089345; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:23:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGNG6g089035 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:23:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23675 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:00:56 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:00:49 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir Thread-Index: AcZduCn4P/DUe/i7RfuBOp2hRes2AwAjiXwg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3CGNG6g089035 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:24:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D29B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Oh, darn "Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII" yet another book from the other side of the pond I just have to have! And Amazon.uk doesn't even list it yet on their site! Double darn! Just got from Amazon.uk, my preordered copy of Innocent Traitor, the first novel by Alison Weir. It is based on the life of Lady Jane Grey, Nine Days' Queen of England. No U.S. publication date as yet for us Tudor fanatics on the west side of the pond. I only have read the first two chapters. So far it is by multiple narrators recording in first person present tense. So far the narrators are Jane herself, her mother, Frances Brandon, and Queen Jane Seymour. Interesting format. It will be interesting to see how Weir as a historian sticks to history. On the cover is a photograph of a girl dressed in a close approximation of the ensemble worn by young Princess Elizabeth(crimson gown portrait). We purists may be quick to spot that the girl has blonde, not auburn hair, and the sleeves of her gown,(all layers)are less structured and more droopy at worst, and seem more earlier 16th century at best, but at least it is serious cover art, including an overprint of Jane's actual handwriting, rather than the historical romance cover art which is often snicker-worthy! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 12:27:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGQvLn002745 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CGQowq016613; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGPC6R064160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGOWoe090310; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:24:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3CGOK99090024 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:24:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 89798 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 16:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.198.202 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 16:24:12 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060412172126.01e14a78@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:24:15 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin In-Reply-To: <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.ne t> References: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D2A4A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 16:08 12/04/2006, you wrote: > > In a message dated 4/12/2006 9:36:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > > > > Many extant corsets use chamois leather, like the leather you can use > > to wash a car with. There is often a small piece, about an inch deep > > inside and out, (sort of crescent shaped) under the arm towards the > > front armscye, to prevent chafing. > > > I've heard about using a wider piece of leather under the arms, >although I haven't seen the originals with it. The extant stays I've >seen have a thin white leather for binding, with a smooth surface. >The chamois that I've seen is yellow, and has a suede-like surface. >I know people like to use chamois because they can find it easily and >it's thin (nicer for hand stitching). But I would like to hear more >about the extant stays that use chamois leather for binding, and also >those with the underarm reinforcement. Where are they? How often do >those features show up in extant stays? > > Or do you mean something different for chamois - is it available >white and with a smooth surface? The stays that I wore belonged to Jean Hunnisett and were sold some years ago. If I had realised they were for sale I might have bid for them. I will look through my photos of originals and see whether the chamois shows up in any of them. Probably that chamois ones will be the ones I couldn't photo! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 12:42:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGgdvS003608 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:42:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CGgW7m025922; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:42:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGgAlh066953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:42:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGg4bj008432; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:42:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGfvov008212 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:41:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.32c.26abb1a (15865) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r39 (mblk-r39.mblk.aol.com [152.163.179.38]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df9443d2dca1cb; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:41:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:41:49 -0400 Message-Id: <8C82C672172CFB0-1BB8-1C02@mblk-r39.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <38b.317d9f.316e2930@aol.com> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by mblk-r39.sysops.aol.com (152.163.179.38) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:41:49 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <38b.317d9f.316e2930@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17325 Subject: Re: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.179.38 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:42:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D2DF8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO what about theexpandingspray foam 1 can would be more than enough and it can be shaped and molded to be most anything you need theresa -----Original Message----- From: AnnBWass@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:58:08 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress In a message dated 4/11/2006 8:11:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, khoover@wvu.edu writes: We made a fat suit of foam sheeting for the actor who played the Emperor. When I worked at the Washington Shakespeare Theatre, we also made a foam suit for Falstaff. I didn't mention it originally because the poster said she needed something cheap, and the foam isn't! It is the dark gray foam generally used, I believe, for HVAC purposes, and it was something like $100 a sheet then, over 10 years ago. I also can't attest to how comfortable it was for the actor to wear, but I know it is very lightweight. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 12:57:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGvZAR004673 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:57:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CGvS8q002459; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:57:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGq1H9068517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGpqjl018278; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:51:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGplAO018062 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:51:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.31a.2953fae (16097) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r39 (mblk-r39.mblk.aol.com [152.163.179.38]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-3ee1443d30121e6; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:51:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:51:10 -0400 Message-Id: <8C82C686F479BF2-1BB8-1D05@mblk-r39.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <314.29e9ee0.316dafc0@aol.com> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by mblk-r39.sysops.aol.com (152.163.179.38) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:51:09 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <314.29e9ee0.316dafc0@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17325 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.179.38 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:57:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D3178.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I can feel for you it has only been in the last year or so that I have had to admit if I'm going to sew I have to iron , seams open, and all that other stuff that makes your work look right. but I still don't iron anything that is complete it goes to the professionals, or at least the lady down the street that seems to like to iron. I think she is a bit weird but then I dress up funny and shoot a bow and arrow so who am I to say who is weird. theresa -----Original Message----- From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:20:00 EDT Subject: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate machining!!) ps - meant glad it's not just me that feels like that :-))) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 13:28:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CHSejC006434 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:28:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CHSWQ5023445; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:28:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CHQhf2074015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:26:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CHQbBG051912; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:26:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CHQXDd051765 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:26:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.341.24c24e3 (17079) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:26:23 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:26:22 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:28:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D38C0.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I have posted my pictures of the statue with the bliaut from Angers to Flickr as well as some from Chartres, also with bliaut. Additionally in the Chartres set are pictures I took of the St. Louis shirt in Notre Dame. There is also a set of pictures from the Costume Museum in Bath. http://www.flickr.com/photos/maddnancyphotos/ Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 14:00:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CI0TWx008462 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:00:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CI0LbV012225; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:00:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CHxRCr078501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:59:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CHwm6S082326; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:59:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CHwd62082114 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:58:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D3B1336AD8 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:58:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:58:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:00:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D4035.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Just recently a friend came up to me and asked how the girdle was made with a bliaut as she was going to make it for her daughter. She was not meaning the belt but the section of horizontal lines between the hips and just under the breast. Her two sources for this being a separate piece from the dress/bliaut is "The Encyclopedia of historic costume" and a manuscript showing it in a different color. When I tried to inform her that usually that area is a part of the dress she promptly said well I'm not trying to be an authenticity nazi my daughter likes it and she's of an age that she wants to show off her figure. So my question, just for my knowledge, is there docs on the horizontal lines on the bliaut ever being a separate piece from the garment? -----Original Message----- http://www.flickr.com/photos/maddnancyphotos/ Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 14:20:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIK0H9009569 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:20:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CIJpL4025211; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:19:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIJZAm082313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:19:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIJUDW002191; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:19:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIJQBY002136 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:19:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so1394099nzd for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:19:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=boFcMpXz0GaHMHJf9FphFk82DxM4VklvtGY68T8k98+oNfH98IM9LIVD4AgAgMJPwkCgrW+gzY0ighPXLymk6NOIOc/B1UBlbD3LPknUphMBldkjMUmBVCJLkR1YREHJjkqynv3q6f2R3hPxPQzOUMgRDfiaEEBbEOL865yLLQw= Received: by 10.65.206.5 with SMTP id i5mr1672594qbq; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.6 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660604121119ka31f4cdn3a95761f3b1a5125@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:19:25 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3CIJQBY002136 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:19:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D44C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO There are many, many theories about bliauts. I have a few myself. However just to stick with the question... is there docs on the horizontal lines on the bliaut ever being a separate piece from the garment? Some say yes. Some say no. I used to be in the "probably no, but it is vaguely possible" camp... until Nancy's photos showed me something new. look at the photo called PDRM0061in the Chartres collection. Look at the belt knot, then look just above the belt knot. There you will see a repeating decorative pattern, that resembles trim, either woven or embroidered. Now... notice that the "trim" appears to lie flat and follow the curve of the body, lines above it run in the horizontal direction, lines below it run vertically. To me this is really starting to suggest a separate layer. Could be. Can I be positive, not yet, but I am intrigued. Could this be the "corsetum" mentioned in the English inventories of the early 1300s, which was fashionably "behind the times" - or an ancestor of that garment? Are the two even linked at all? Some folks might postulate that the trim is a product or a decoration to highlight construction of the garment. Covering the joining of a bodice to a skirt... Personally I find that theory to be too speculative for me, and not in keeping with examples of garment shaping of the day. But some people do advocate that style of construction. I'm going to go back to pondering this question... but I am considering a move to the "possible, quite possible" camp on this question. Mari / Bridgette > http://www.flickr.com/photos/maddnancyphotos/ > > Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 14:27:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIRxNr010037 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:27:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CIRqKh030268; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:27:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIRCx4084028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:27:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIR7WW010644; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:27:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3CIR3A7010477 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:27:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 2459 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 18:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Quoting otsisto : > Just recently a friend came up to me and asked how the girdle was made with > a bliaut as she was going to make it for her daughter. She was not meaning > the belt but the section of horizontal lines between the hips and just under > the breast. Her two sources for this being a separate piece from the > dress/bliaut is "The Encyclopedia of historic costume" and a manuscript > showing it in a different color. Do you have any additional information on The Manuscript? I'd *really* like to see that (as would a number of other folks, I"m sure!) Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 14:44:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIiHbR011193 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:44:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CIi9SN008851; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:44:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIhTkM087543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:43:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIhN1g028045; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:43:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIgn0V027436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:43:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FTkIg-0005do-Ez; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:42:46 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:42:46 -0400 Message-ID: <20060412144246.qygkdp4rw4w40g44@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:42:46 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos References: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> <72adc2660604121119ka31f4cdn3a95761f3b1a5125@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <72adc2660604121119ka31f4cdn3a95761f3b1a5125@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:44:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D4A79.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Quoting Marie Stewart : > There are many, many theories about bliauts. I have a few myself. > However just to stick with the question... is there docs on the > horizontal lines on the bliaut ever being a separate piece from the > garment? > > Some say yes. Some say no. I used to be in the "probably no, but it > is vaguely possible" camp... until Nancy's photos showed me something > new. > > look at the photo called PDRM0061in the Chartres collection. Look at > the belt knot, then look just above the belt knot. There you will see > a repeating decorative pattern, that resembles trim, either woven or > embroidered. Now... notice that the "trim" appears to lie flat and > follow the curve of the body, lines above it run in the horizontal > direction, lines below it run vertically. You can also see this line of trip just above the belt on some statues from St. Loup de Naud. This is a large scan (ca. 1 MB in size) so that you can see the details quite nicely. http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/stLoupDeNaud_LeftPortal-detai2l.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/6qse5 The other thing that is telling to me is the "knife-pleats." Look at how they disappear behind the neckline trim ... look at how they "reappear" out from under the wide trim above the belt. IMO, this is the source of the garments that we see in later symbolic art where the woman has on a hip-length "vest" or "corsage" or whatever you want to call it. > > To me this is really starting to suggest a separate layer. Could be. > Can I be positive, not yet, but I am intrigued. > > Could this be the "corsetum" mentioned in the English inventories of > the early 1300s, which was fashionably "behind the times" - or an > ancestor of that garment? Are the two even linked at all? Well, wasn't France leading the Fashion World (tm) at that time? I don't have a problem with the English lagging behind. > > Some folks might postulate that the trim is a product or a decoration > to highlight construction of the garment. Covering the joining of a > bodice to a skirt... Personally I find that theory to be too > speculative for me, and not in keeping with examples of garment > shaping of the day. But some people do advocate that style of > construction. Yeah, I think that's a little too sketchy for me too. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 14:50:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIo5S2011419 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:50:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CInwRW012308; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:50:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIiElg087789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:44:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIiAfA029083; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:44:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIi4Zr028966 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 45FF536948 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:43:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:43:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <72adc2660604121119ka31f4cdn3a95761f3b1a5125@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:50:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D4BD6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO After I sent the email I found the Chartres statue you speak of and remembered that when I was once, long ago researching bliauts I came across this statue and saw the "corset/girdle". Old timers strikes again. :P De -----Original Message----- There are many, many theories about bliauts. I have a few myself. However just to stick with the question... is there docs on the horizontal lines on the bliaut ever being a separate piece from the garment? Some say yes. Some say no. I used to be in the "probably no, but it is vaguely possible" camp... until Nancy's photos showed me something new. look at the photo called PDRM0061in the Chartres collection. Look at the belt knot, then look just above the belt knot. There you will see a repeating decorative pattern, that resembles trim, either woven or embroidered. Now... notice that the "trim" appears to lie flat and follow the curve of the body, lines above it run in the horizontal direction, lines below it run vertically. snip I'm going to go back to pondering this question... but I am considering a move to the "possible, quite possible" camp on this question. Mari / Bridgette > http://www.flickr.com/photos/maddnancyphotos/ > > Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 15:25:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJOx3I012819 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:24:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CJOpXI005387; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:24:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJNntR094442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJNcQp069757; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJNV4Y069596 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:23:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 58B6E36AD9 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:23:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:23:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20060412144246.qygkdp4rw4w40g44@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:24:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D5403.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO This one seems a bit different from the Chartres. In the Chartres it seems to stops under the bust but in this one it looks as if it is a bodice that goes to the hips and the skirt is a part of the garment you see at the neck. A sort of "jacket" over the gathered garment and laced to creat the horizonatl lines at the waist. De -----Original Message----- You can also see this line of trip just above the belt on some statues from St. Loup de Naud. This is a large scan (ca. 1 MB in size) so that you can see the details quite nicely. http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/stLoupDeNaud_LeftPortal-deta i2l.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/6qse5 The other thing that is telling to me is the "knife-pleats." Look at how they disappear behind the neckline trim ... look at how they "reappear" out from under the wide trim above the belt. IMO, this is the source of the garments that we see in later symbolic art where the woman has on a hip-length "vest" or "corsage" or whatever you want to call it. Susan ----- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 15:45:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJj2N9014145 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:45:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CJimSd018948; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:44:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJiNRo098315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:44:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJiIa3090728; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:44:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJiB31090608 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:44:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A70F18000532; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:37:51 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight toanactress Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:42:59 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c65e69$4db93c00$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060412104619.0qml4zxsoc40g0gc@www.goldsword.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:44:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D58B0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO That's why you line with cotton, so the plastic doesn't touch the skin. Better than foam, or polyfill, which is , after all, plastic too. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:46 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight toanactress Quoting "Sharon at Collierfam.com" : > You could use those air filled plastic bladders they use as filler for > packages. They are very lightweight, and if you keep a layer of cotton > between the body and the bladders, it should be ok. I just got some > today in my box from Amazon. You could blow up zip lock bags and get > the same effect-more sizes, too. They're so lightweight you can just > use gaffers tape to hold them in place. Plus they're super cheap. But wouldn't all that plastic be rather *hot*? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 16:03:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CK3owQ015373 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:03:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CK3glG031139; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:03:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CK3VV9002666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:03:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CK3HWD010607; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:03:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CK33o4010333 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:03:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ABA67BC05F4; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:57:26 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:02:33 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c65e6c$09dff930$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060412144246.qygkdp4rw4w40g44@www.goldsword.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Any possibility that the line of trim is what we would call a waistband, attached to the vertical pleated skirt, the whole worn over the horizontally pleated underdress? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:43 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Quoting Marie Stewart : > There are many, many theories about bliauts. I have a few myself. > However just to stick with the question... is there docs on the > horizontal lines on the bliaut ever being a separate piece from the > garment? > > Some say yes. Some say no. I used to be in the "probably no, but it > is vaguely possible" camp... until Nancy's photos showed me something > new. > > look at the photo called PDRM0061in the Chartres collection. Look at > the belt knot, then look just above the belt knot. There you will see > a repeating decorative pattern, that resembles trim, either woven or > embroidered. Now... notice that the "trim" appears to lie flat and > follow the curve of the body, lines above it run in the horizontal > direction, lines below it run vertically. You can also see this line of trip just above the belt on some statues from St. Loup de Naud. This is a large scan (ca. 1 MB in size) so that you can see the details quite nicely. http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/stLoupDeNaud_LeftPortal-deta i2l.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/6qse5 The other thing that is telling to me is the "knife-pleats." Look at how they disappear behind the neckline trim ... look at how they "reappear" out from under the wide trim above the belt. IMO, this is the source of the garments that we see in later symbolic art where the woman has on a hip-length "vest" or "corsage" or whatever you want to call it. > > To me this is really starting to suggest a separate layer. Could be. > Can I be positive, not yet, but I am intrigued. > > Could this be the "corsetum" mentioned in the English inventories of > the early 1300s, which was fashionably "behind the times" - or an > ancestor of that garment? Are the two even linked at all? Well, wasn't France leading the Fashion World (tm) at that time? I don't have a problem with the English lagging behind. > > Some folks might postulate that the trim is a product or a decoration > to highlight construction of the garment. Covering the joining of a > bodice to a skirt... Personally I find that theory to be too > speculative for me, and not in keeping with examples of garment > shaping of the day. But some people do advocate that style of > construction. Yeah, I think that's a little too sketchy for me too. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 16:33:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CKXkWT016976 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:33:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CKXd8L017556; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:33:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CKWxIC007070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:32:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CKWgs6036524; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:32:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav8.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CKHn85022680 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:17:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:17:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.53.126 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:17:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.53.126] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:17:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:17:45 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2006 20:17:45.0178 (UTC) FILETIME=[28DF63A0:01C65E6E] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:33:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D6423.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3CKXkWT016976 Status: RO Nancy, thank you for going to the trouble of finding a way to post your photos. The statue from Angers is very interesting and I appreciate your nice sharp detail shots. Janet I have posted my pictures of the statue with the bliaut from Angers to Flickr as well as some from Chartres, also with bliaut. Additionally in the Chartres set are pictures I took of the St. Louis shirt in Notre Dame. There is also a set of pictures from the Costume Museum in Bath. http://www.flickr.com/photos/maddnancyphotos/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 16:35:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CKZ0g4017056 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:35:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CKYrms002422; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:34:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CKYX67007307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:34:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CKYSDm038289; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:34:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CKYF6R037970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:34:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FTm2V-0008Pq-Sx; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:34:11 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:34:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:34:11 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Quoting "Sharon at Collierfam.com" : > Any possibility that the line of trim is what we would call a waistband, > attached to the vertical pleated skirt, the whole worn over the horizontally > pleated underdress? It's *always* possible. But a couple of Garb Laurels that I know point out that the waist seam is such a useful thing, why would it appear *briefly* here in the 12th century and then disappear until the 15th century (I think I"m getting my centuries straight). You don't see it again (other than in Italian garb) until Tudor fashion IIRC. I'd just *love* to have a Time Mschine if for no other reason than to answer this very question! Their line of thinking is that you have to draw on what was before and what comes after -- since fashion, back then, didn't change just because The Great Design Houses issued their new fall collection. It sort of oozed between styles. Everything before and after the bliaut is a simple tunic-type garment (yeah, the fit and support are different between the 11th and the later garments), but they're still 2 or 4 panel garments (unless you count some of the Herjolfernes garments [and I sure hope I spelled that correctly!]). It's easier for me to see a shorter overgarment (we do see shorter tunics -- maybe only a foot or so, but they're shorter over-tunics) than a waist seam appear out of nowhere just to disappear again. It's also possible that the trip is some sort of stabilizer on a single piece gown to keep the shirring caused by the lacing in place. However, there's definately 2 layers at the neck (well, as definate as one can be from looking at a piece of stone .....) Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 17:23:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLN7HZ019814 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:23:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CLN0nJ012855; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:23:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLMdf0015192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:22:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLMaPV084111; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:22:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLMWKp084039 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:22:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3CLMeYA004209 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:22:40 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.78.122] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-78-122.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.78.122]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLMNj9161602 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:22:30 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060412140939.0267b138@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:13:21 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos In-Reply-To: References: <20060412144246.qygkdp4rw4w40g44@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:23:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D6FB4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >In the Chartres it seems to stops under the bust Some of the pleating on this one goes across the line which delineates the lower edge of the bust. Look closely to find the exact pleats which do this. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 17:23:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLND8n019815 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:23:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CLN5gk015276; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:23:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLMdef015193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:22:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLMZGH084093; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:22:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLMU4F084006 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:22:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3CLMcYA004148 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:22:38 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.78.122] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-78-122.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.78.122]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLMNj7161602 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:22:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060412140437.025c44f0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:05:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos In-Reply-To: <72adc2660604121119ka31f4cdn3a95761f3b1a5125@mail.gmail.com > References: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:23:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D6FB9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >look at the photo called PDRM0061in the Chartres collection. Look at >the belt knot, then look just above the belt knot. There you will see >a repeating decorative pattern, that resembles trim, either woven or >embroidered. Now... notice that the "trim" appears to lie flat and >follow the curve of the body, lines above it run in the horizontal >direction, lines below it run vertically. PDRM0062 shows the same trim-like decoration at the neck of the outermost garment. I'm ready to stand corrected. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 17:28:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLSv7k020225 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:28:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CLSn4W015577; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:28:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLSV9p016123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:28:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLSQA6089573; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:28:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLSBCH089301 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:28:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-72-225-255-212.nyc.res.rr.com [72.225.255.212]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k3CLPbhX011800 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:25:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:28:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200604121627.k3CGQdDN092270@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re. leather and stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:28:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D7112.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO The leather that I've seen binding the edges of 18th century stays is smooth on the outside and rough on the reverse - like a pair of dressy gloves. (as mentioned -kid gloves) This looks to be the same leather that was also used on 19th century corsets I've seen. Though I can't swear to their animal origins, I suspect kid. That was definitely called "wash leather" in the 19th century. If you want to see the crescent pad under the arm go to the Kent State site. Two of the ones there have this feature, though it's easier to see on one than the other. http://dept.kent.edu/museum/costume/bonc/4subjectsearch/lingerie/lingerie18t h/lingerie18.html on the first stays - "colonial brown quilted" - you can see it best in the profile view. It's quite small and looks to be twisted. on the sixth stays you can see it best (the ones right after the busk.) The Museum of the City of New York has a set of stays with this underarm shield made up of several layers of linen rather than leather. My question - does anyone know the proper name for this underarm piece? Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 18:12:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMCk8O022446 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:12:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CMCcWs002973; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:12:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMCOMn022425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:12:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMCJFW029111; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:12:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3CMCEIu028904 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:12:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 28461 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 22:12:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oaPtr51cgwZPYJcRZZTGxsDFLxu6lmAYJtziB9Knm4GMCVeIsJV/ev0luXXTEUZw/fpqlQtEuGcoI0KXwDpNt+7JqgvVUQGZj9GnHx92LS39014MpytvHS/xPfQhLJlpaLsbCIsskLdzhycr/P1HmP4JbTenWq9HlPGcR+SJ//U= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.27.127.33?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@70.27.127.33 with plain) by smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 22:12:08 -0000 Message-ID: <443D7B42.9060801@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:12:18 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos References: <002401c65e6c$09dff930$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:12:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D7B56.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Greetings-- Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Their line of thinking is that you have to draw on what was before and > what comes after -- since fashion, back then, didn't change just > because The Great Design Houses issued their new fall collection. It > sort of oozed between styles. Everything before and after the bliaut > is a simple tunic-type garment (yeah, the fit and support are different > between the 11th and the later garments), but they're still 2 or 4 panel > garments (unless you count some of the Herjolfernes garments [and I sure > hope I spelled that correctly!]). It's easier for me to see a shorter > overgarment (we do see shorter tunics -- maybe only a foot or so, but > they're shorter over-tunics) than a waist seam appear out of nowhere > just to disappear again. This is generally my line of thought as well, and illustrates one of the problems of using statuary as a source for clothing history. Statuary is *always* a secondary source, as the detail is subject to artistic interpretation--although it's also often one of the best sources we've got. Statues are not photographs, any more than paintings are, even when there is a fair degree of realism. Sculptors likely did not have live models posing for them as they chipped away at the stone; even when they are being realistic, there was always the challenge of representing what the fabric does in stone, a very different medium. Just as we know painters "got it wrong", it is possible that so did sculptors. This is where trying to verify what you see in the statues with other sources--extant garments, cutting techniques, literary sources, and other visual sources--leads to a more complete picture. We can't take any of these sources in the twelfth century in isolation to understand what's going on. The problem, of course, is that we lack an extant "bliaut", so theories are going to remain theories unless someone unearths a big trove of bliauts somewhere. And I suspect even then there would be questions..... Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 18:18:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMIEej022757 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:18:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CMI7il005391; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:18:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMHid3023191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:17:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMHbw1033811; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMHUVj033713 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:17:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3CMHRag014715 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:17:27 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.78.122] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-78-122.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.78.122]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMHONH284402 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:17:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060412151614.026c46b8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:17:27 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos In-Reply-To: <443D7B42.9060801@rogers.com> References: <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> <002401c65e6c$09dff930$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:18:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D7C9F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >Sculptors likely did not have live models posing for them as they chipped >away at the stone; even when they are being realistic, there was always >the challenge of representing what the fabric does in stone, a very >different medium. At least they were closer to the real thing than we are. And, presumably, they saw a real one at some point. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 18:37:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMbPTp023617 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:37:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CMbHSm014160; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:37:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMaR46025811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMaMHp050108; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:36:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMaHwx050021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:36:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:25747 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FTnwm-0007Go-Vt for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:36:25 -0500 Message-ID: <028801c65e81$83aad180$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. leather and stays Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:36:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:37:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D811D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO By the way, I've seen kidskin for sale as a bookbinding supply--in fact, at the moment there's some up for sale on ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/LEATHER-OUTLET (click on kid skins under the store categories on the left) It's about the same cost as buying a similar amount of chamois. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 18:50:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMoXqX024214 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:50:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CMoQit020032; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:50:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMo0wJ027710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:50:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMnwhg061885; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:49:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMnqxI061804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:49:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3CMnmj7008220 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:49:51 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <60454.72.13.239.193.1144882191.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <028801c65e81$83aad180$ab00a8c0@compaqub> References: <028801c65e81$83aad180$ab00a8c0@compaqub> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. leather and stays From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:50:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D8432.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Oooh, check out those metallics!! I didn't see any white, but then again I didn't look past the first page. It would be worth contacting the seller to find out how thin the kid leather is. At one point, the Silly Sisters (18thC clothing makers & merchants) had stay binding leather available in a 1/2" strip, sold by the foot. I'm not sure if it was kid, but it was definitely thin enough to sew. I hate the idea of cutting up antiques, but there are kid leather gloves around where the hand is about 2" across and they would only fit ET. Or if you can find them as single gloves (unpaired) or damaged. -Carol > By the way, I've seen kidskin for sale as a bookbinding supply--in fact, > at the moment there's some up for sale on ebay: > http://stores.ebay.com/LEATHER-OUTLET > (click on kid skins under the store categories on the left) > It's about the same cost as buying a similar amount of chamois. > > -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 20:05:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05UDm024986 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:05:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D05M9W019937; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:05:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D04lsM036369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:04:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D04igi019803; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:04:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIHEeR099818 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:17:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3CIHNYA032417 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:17:23 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.93.1] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-93-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.93.1]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIGvH0210852 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:17:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060412111401.026c1f00@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:15:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos In-Reply-To: References: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:05:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D95C2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >So my question, just for my knowledge, is there docs on the horizontal lines >on the bliaut ever being a separate piece from the garment? SCA people sometimes make this as a separate garment, but that's partly because of bad reproductions of the original image. The carving shows this as part of a single garment. BTW, you can tell your friends that Nazi's haven't been invented yet, so she can stop calling you one. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 20:05:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05wI1024993 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:05:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D05odl013825; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:05:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05ZYt036574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05XNr020510; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIjEJK030174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:24432 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FTkL9-0007ns-2n for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:45:19 -0500 Message-ID: <025201c65e61$3c43e900$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> <72adc2660604121119ka31f4cdn3a95761f3b1a5125@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:45:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:05:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D95DE.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I'd love to see the image where the 'girdle' section is a different color from the rest of the gown--I'm in the collecting-all-theories-and-evidence-so-I-can-make-test-garments-someday camp! -E House PS--thanks for the great photos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 20:06:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D06O6A024998 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:06:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D06GU7006679; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:06:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05iuq036615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05hAe020694; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJQwFj073219 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f557a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.122]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0CEF1FAC017 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:26:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004301c65e67$17d957c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:27:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] kid leather X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:06:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D95F9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi, Thanks for all your help with this question. I would try to find some of this stuf and i hope not it is difficult to sew with, as i hate binding for the guts of my heart. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 20:06:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D06v84025004 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:06:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D06ogO002580; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:06:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05RVL036547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05PcJ020379; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIi517028970 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ABD2836AE2 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:43:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:43:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20060412142755.87315xv7k0cocwg8@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:06:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D961A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Well.....she may get me the info which makes me wonder if it isn't a SCA award scroll. I have asked as I am interested as well. De -----Original Message----- Do you have any additional information on The Manuscript? I'd *really* like to see that (as would a number of other folks, I"m sure!) Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 20:16:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0GgiP025105 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:16:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D0GZdT024584; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:16:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0GIC0037796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:16:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0GGMi028470; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:16:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0GCJs028401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:16:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:26130 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FTpVV-0000Z7-5Z for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:16:22 -0500 Message-ID: <029301c65e8f$791632b0$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <028801c65e81$83aad180$ab00a8c0@compaqub> <60454.72.13.239.193.1144882191.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. leather and stays Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:16:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:16:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D9863.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I looked around a bit more on ebay, and there's several other sellers offering it--do a search for kid skin, and be sure to check the stores as well as the normal listings. There's a shoeseller who's retiring from the business and is selling off his inventory (id: parkridge101) who has a cream colored hide and a partial white hide, both big enough to get several stays worth of binding. It's a pity that I don't seem likely to have time anyday soon to make 18thC stays--I'm all in the mood, now! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 20:18:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0IWhW025131 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:18:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D0IPT0016156; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:18:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05Ijl036521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05HKF020270; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3CIUklA014548 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:30:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 94920 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 18:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Is it like washing leather? > > Bjarne > Possibly, if "washing leather" is what one uses to wash surfaces that one does not want scratched. Gosh, what a tortured sentence! liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 20:36:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0aV8f026055 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:36:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D0aNfY032551; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:36:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0Zitd039698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:35:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0ZgIW041332; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:35:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0ZbYb041264 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:35:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF167D1B3 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:35:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-254.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-254.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.254]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:35:35 +1000 Message-ID: <1144888535.443d9cd750ee8@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:35:35 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. leather and stays References: <028801c65e81$83aad180$ab00a8c0@compaqub> <60454.72.13.239.193.1144882191.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <029301c65e8f$791632b0$ab00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <029301c65e8f$791632b0$ab00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:36:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D9D07.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO well as the normal listings. There's a shoeseller who's retiring from the > business and is selling off his inventory (id: parkridge101) Mmm, I wish I was there! A few years ago, a shoe making factory here inMmelbourne closed down and all was being sold. People walked out with great machinery and tools and many businesses bought up a lot of the leather stock before auction they thought may be useful. At the bottom of the leather racks, unpurchased until I came along, was all the stock they thought would never be of use...1960s and '70s fashion leathers in pretty good condition: hot pink patents, '70s muscle-car-purples, maroons, crazy lizard prints, bright orange, flame effects, blue suedes... You get the picture. I still have some but I am never using it because it is mine, mine, ALL MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 20:57:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0va0u026723 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:57:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D0vSqt008270; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:57:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0uSqV042260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:56:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0uQZN055939; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:56:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0uM31055833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:56:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3D2hLYu030858 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:43:21 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:02:33 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <4.3.1.2.20060412140437.025c44f0@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060412140437.025c44f0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604122002.33600.cathy@thyrsus.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:57:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DA1F8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Wednesday 12 April 2006 5:05 pm, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >look at the photo called PDRM0061in the Chartres collection. Look at > >the belt knot, then look just above the belt knot. There you will see > >a repeating decorative pattern, that resembles trim, either woven or > >embroidered. Now... notice that the "trim" appears to lie flat and > >follow the curve of the body, lines above it run in the horizontal > >direction, lines below it run vertically. > > PDRM0062 shows the same trim-like decoration at the neck of the outermost > garment. I'm ready to stand corrected. Or both could be the same pattern of tablet woven trim--sewn on at the neck, used as a belt below. I'm not convinced.... -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 21:10:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1AkIg027183 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:10:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D1Adnh013769; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:10:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1AIRw043950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:10:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1AFo7065754; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:10:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3D1A49h065589 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:10:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 72033 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 01:09:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Nj5O1QU8gjBXpUaGIE88gTNjpcC42xhz0Bgis2V5012SwoTLAL5qw3OBr+b43DJrtRISDxgYd6ZVDzvqZ1iHsF9gvKuYCaCbEQwQu+DY2svywkC7xx9TiJR4g8ZM/QJhCTrCFUSCp6zko2cX/W/4vVAU0+/tQqKcsV6F9BfHitw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.27.127.33?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@70.27.127.33 with plain) by smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 01:09:59 -0000 Message-ID: <443DA4F1.4080805@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:10:09 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos References: <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> <002401c65e6c$09dff930$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> <4.3.1.2.20060412151614.026c46b8@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060412151614.026c46b8@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:10:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DA50F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Greetings-- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >> Sculptors likely did not have live models posing for them as they >> chipped away at the stone; even when they are being realistic, there >> was always the challenge of representing what the fabric does in >> stone, a very different medium. > > At least they were closer to the real thing than we are. And, > presumably, they saw a real one at some point. That's why sculpture does have its attractions as a source. You just have to know and work with the caveats, as you would any source, and never assume they're being photographic-perfect in their representations. Most of the twelfth century sculptures have a fair bit of stylization, so you have to ask yourself what's accurate, what's stylized, and what is limited by the limits of the medium itself. One of the things I find fascinating about a lot of medieval sculpture (and apparently, a fair bit of the classical stuff as well) is that it was painted! I have no idea of whether these particular examples were painted, but boy, wouldn't that have added an interesting layer of detail.... Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 21:27:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1RnCp027658 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:27:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D1RfKM021203; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:27:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1R6fc045525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:27:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1R4Dh076806; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:27:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1R1fo076673 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:27:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:26:49 -0700 Message-ID: <443DA8DA.9000208@msn.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:26:50 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] spiral lacing References: <001d01c65d9c$6b519d70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001d01c65d9c$6b519d70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 01:26:49.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[561790B0:01C65E99] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:27:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DA90D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Do you mean for where you start and end the lacing? Like-an "extra" lace to tie off to? Hmmm, I wonder why it would be necessary? When we spiral lace we just tie off in the last hole...... Sg Curious in Buckwheat, AZ Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Have any of you ever seen extra tapes sewed to the top and bottom > center backs, for tying on if you use spiral lacing? > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 21:40:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1eluc028163 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:40:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D1edWM026402; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:40:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1dwfr046869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:39:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1dtdY084924; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:39:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1doRL084856 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:39:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:39:45 -0700 Message-ID: <443DABE1.4020609@msn.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:39:45 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid scin References: <001e01c65e32$7ac5ffd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001e01c65e32$7ac5ffd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 01:39:45.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[2473F9C0:01C65E9B] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:40:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DAC17.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Oooh Ahhh, are you in for a treat. http://www.hidehouse.com/ You can request a catalog, though I can't believe they don't have something comperable in Europe. (Probably better, I mean after all, there is where it all started!) This is where I bought my "lipstick red" lambskin for the corset I made for the "Suitable Gown for Her Majesty" http://www.saragrace.us/3E_4_QEW_Corset.html While there in Napa, I also bought the most wonderful "celery green" hide....It comes in a number of lovely colors. Also, deer skin is very soft and supple. (my hubby lets me have his hides he hunts) It is perfect for edging the corsets. I have found also, that ultrasuede lite, works beautifully, but you must cut it as a facing rather than a binding....does that make sense? This is awesome stuff for leather guards on the bottom of gowns....it washes beautifully! Sg P.S. Let me know if you have any trouble getting what you want. I can order it and send it to you.... Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Is it like washing leather? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 21:44:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1iINh028314 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:44:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D1iB89031224; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:44:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1i0Lb047153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1hwUr087410; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1hsxc087288 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:43:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:43:45 -0700 Message-ID: <443DACD2.40909@msn.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:43:46 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source References: <02d701c65d6e$2930d650$6701a8c0@anteckim> In-Reply-To: <02d701c65d6e$2930d650$6701a8c0@anteckim> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 01:43:45.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3FBE710:01C65E9B] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:44:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DACEB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Research the stuff on Rowenta - I have one for everyday ironing and it is okay, but as they age they spit etc. The commercial ones that Greenberg and Hammer offer are awesome...pricey.... but awesome. I have heard good things about the Euro-pro, but have not used those myself. Kim Baird wrote: >I have a very nice Euro-Pro with separate reservoir. I got it at Jo-Anne >Fabrics. I've also seen them on line. > >Kim > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 22:32:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D2WQLx029425 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:32:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D2WJDX013628; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:32:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D2Vs8j057440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D2VqKD019217; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D2VoIq019140 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:31:44 -0700 Message-ID: <443DB811.40409@msn.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:31:45 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 02:31:44.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[68024550:01C65EA2] Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Missed the original post- was Photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:32:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DB833.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Nancy, thank you so much for posting these pictures. I am sorry I missed the original post. Can you explain again the information on the white linen garment (from Chartres?) and the last colored picture http://www.flickr.com/photos/maddnancyphotos/127491641/? Thanks, Sg MaddNancy@aol.com wrote: >I have posted my pictures of the statue with the bliaut from Angers to >Flickr as well as some from Chartres, also with bliaut. Additionally in the >Chartres set are pictures I took of the St. Louis shirt in Notre Dame. There is >also a set of pictures from the Costume Museum in Bath. > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/maddnancyphotos/ > >Nancy >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 22:40:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D2eewj029551 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:40:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D2eXCA016685; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:40:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D2eDn6059423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:40:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D2eC9M024864; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:40:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D2e9Gn024771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:40:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3D4R90Z000808 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:27:09 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:46:20 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> <4.3.1.2.20060412151614.026c46b8@mail.frys.com> <443DA4F1.4080805@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <443DA4F1.4080805@rogers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604122146.20878.cathy@thyrsus.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:40:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DBA21.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Wednesday 12 April 2006 9:10 pm, Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > Greetings-- > > Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> Sculptors likely did not have live models posing for them as they > >> chipped away at the stone; even when they are being realistic, there > >> was always the challenge of representing what the fabric does in > >> stone, a very different medium. > > > > At least they were closer to the real thing than we are. And, > > presumably, they saw a real one at some point. > > That's why sculpture does have its attractions as a source. You just > have to know and work with the caveats, as you would any source, and > never assume they're being photographic-perfect in their > representations. Most of the twelfth century sculptures have a fair bit > of stylization, so you have to ask yourself what's accurate, what's > stylized, and what is limited by the limits of the medium itself. > > One of the things I find fascinating about a lot of medieval sculpture > (and apparently, a fair bit of the classical stuff as well) is that it > was painted! Yes, indeed. The Philadelphia Museum of Art is built on the model of an ancient Greek temple, complete with sculptures in friezes around the walls, just under the roof eaves. Their sculptures are painted--bright primary colors--reds, blues. Flesh tones. It's a very different aesthetic than we're accustomed to, knowing only the paintless statues as they've come down to us, but once you get used to the idea, it seems quite natural. I've seen a number of medieval sculptures that still retained noticeable amounts of pigment. The main surprise about the sculptures I've seen is that the favorite color for the Virgin Mary's tunic is red, usually with a dark blue mantle (that scheme shows up in minatures and paintings of the period as well, now that I think about it). > I have no idea of whether these particular examples were > painted, but boy, wouldn't that have added an interesting layer of > detail.... Yes, it would. Of course, there would still be art interpretation issues, much as there are for miniatures (e.g., was this color chosen for its symbolism? or because it was an easily available paint pigment? or because people actually wore it?) But I always prefer more information to less, even when the new information raises more questions than it answers. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 23:16:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D3GLFL029929 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:16:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D3GEDX030499; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:16:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D3Flgt066803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:15:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D3FiAK048827; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D3FeGI048716 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:15:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2ce.6d7e9e3 (48552) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:15:31 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <2ce.6d7e9e3.316f1c53@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:15:31 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 331 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:16:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DC27E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/12/2006 9:41:32 P.M. EST, Susan wrote: One of the things I find fascinating about a lot of medieval sculpture (and apparently, a fair bit of the classical stuff as well) is that it was painted! I have no idea of whether these particular examples were painted, but boy, wouldn't that have added an interesting layer of detail.... I took some pictures of statues in various museums that were painted. I mainly took the pictures because they were painted and, we're so unused to that idea. The one I remember off the top of my head had bright blue, red, and yellow robes. In addition to the statues, the walls might also be brightly painted. One of the rooms in one of the buildings at the Tower of London is currently in the process of being painted as it might have been at the time it was constructed. It looks likes a whitewash with a painted pattern on it. It's very attractive and really brightens up the room. Nancy (Maddalena) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 00:22:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D4MZk4030811 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:22:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D4MSPv019827; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:22:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D4M1tn073476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:22:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D4Lwao091283; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:21:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D4LniA091201 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:21:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31713 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:55:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:55:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos In-Reply-To: <002401c65e6c$09dff930$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:22:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DD204.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > Any possibility that the line of trim is what we would call a > waistband, attached to the vertical pleated skirt, the whole worn over > the horizontally pleated underdress? One of the more believable theories I've heard for this is that the line of trim (which is indeed distinct from the double-looped belt, and is visible on several statues that I know of) is the waistband of a decorative apron, and everything visible below that line is the apron itself, forming a layer that goes over the full dress layer. That at least would give us another alternative to the options of "waistband seam" and "corselet." Me, I frankly think the "bliaut problem" (meaning specifically how to interpret the lines in the statuary in terms of specific garments and construction) is fundamentally unsolvable given the present body of data. People can argue about this till the cows come home, and there is still no theory I've heard yet that's anything better than speculation and is consistent with what we know of garments at this time from other media and documents. It's also important to recognize that the Chartres-style statues are not a good set of sources to base any construction theories on. They're all from a very small time/place slice, in a single medium. The mysterious lines do not seem to occur in any other medium or locale at this time (at least that I know of -- I'd be glad to see examples.) Plus, as far as I know, every one of them is of an allegorical or historical figure. This raises the very real possibility that what we are looking at is not an attempt to reproduce real garments as worn by real women, but might be simply a style for artistic representation unique to sculptors from a single artistic school in this small part of France. When we see the same details popping up in other media or over a broader area, then I'll be more willing to speculate. But as it stands, I'm staying out of it; the chances are far too good that this is all a blind alley for costume evidence. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 00:41:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D4fdCr031033 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:41:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D4fV5H026548; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:41:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D4ZZj8074520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:35:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D4ZXcV099571; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:35:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D4ZUSs099523 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:35:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm26.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9604020F for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:35:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20060412213528.6D84B9E1@resin04.mta.everyone.net> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:35:28 -0700 (PDT) From: " Lalah" To: X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nREPdUQr5n66AEAAAAB,7587c69fe22e221966cb4a36efb3aa46 X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.70] Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Two questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:41:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DD67B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO First: Can anyone tell me how to stretch a cotton/rayon "cowboy" hat from a size 6 3/4 to a size 7? Second: A friend of mine (same guy that has the hat) has purchased an antique mini revolver called a Velo-dogs pistol. It is a tiny gun made to fit in a vest pocket of a bike rider circa 1890 (plus or minus ten years). Apparently it was customary for ladies and gentlemen of the day to go riding in the country and at times they would be set upon by packs of wild dogs. The little gun was loaded with something akin to shotgun shells, but finer (like sand) that would sting and scare the dogs off without injuring them. What would the bike riding vest look like and how would the pocket be made so that the little gun could slip in and out easily? Anyone have a clue about this? 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Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 01:46:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D5kwCD031964 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:46:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D5kouj016407; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:46:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D5k1QY081494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:46:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D5jxGb041588; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:45:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D5jumZ041492 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:45:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.311.2c4388f (30739) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:45:47 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <311.2c4388f.316f3f8a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:45:46 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two questions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:46:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DE5CA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/13/2006 12:36:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, lalahcatlady@netscape.com writes: Can anyone tell me how to stretch a cotton/rayon "cowboy" hat from a size 6 3/4 to a size 7? Does it have an interior band? If so, you may have to remove it. If not, just try steaming, steaming, with a teakettle if you don't have a proper steamer, then putting it on the right size form (or maybe even the head will work). However, sounds like said hat is cheap enough not to bother, nor might that steaming will even work. But you aren't out much if it doesn't. There are lots of sources for cheap cowboy hats out there. On-line, try Shepler's. Around here, the Latino stores stock straw ones--not felt, so much. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 02:57:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6vf7r014150 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:57:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D6vYw7008910; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:57:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6q0va087634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:52:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6pwrR083051; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:51:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6ptit083006 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:51:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3D6pCbi007594 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:51:14 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.60.2] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-60-2.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.60.2]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6pai7128538 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:51:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060412234914.025ab070@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:50:37 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos In-Reply-To: <200604122146.20878.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <443DA4F1.4080805@rogers.com> <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> <4.3.1.2.20060412151614.026c46b8@mail.frys.com> <443DA4F1.4080805@rogers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:57:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DF65E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >Of course, there would still be art interpretation issues, >much as there are for miniatures (e.g., was this color chosen for its >symbolism? or because it was an easily available paint pigment? or because >people actually wore it?) There's always a difference between dyestuff, for fabric, and paint pigment. And what's good for one isn't necessarily good for the other. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 02:59:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6xb2A014631 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:59:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D6xUgd013288; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:59:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6w6Ic088082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:58:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6vtr2087002; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:57:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6vpDn086966 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:57:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k3D6vnKM024504 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901c65ec7$9389eaf0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:57:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:59:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DF6D2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I found the link in a friend's blog - fabric made from corn. Really! http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12225701/site/newsweek/ Wonder how much it truly costs... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 03:06:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D76wSf016405 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:06:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D76pZ0012505; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:06:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D76STc088861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:06:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D76QrU092850; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:06:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D76MKv092784 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:06:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3D76PBd003361 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:06:25 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.60.2] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-60-2.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.60.2]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D76AMX096202 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:06:17 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060413000431.0260db68@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:06:00 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? In-Reply-To: <000901c65ec7$9389eaf0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:06:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DF88B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >I found the link in a friend's blog - fabric made from corn. Really! There are knitting yarns made of this already, and yarns made of milk. In, I believe, the 1880s, the new fiber was one made of wood (Rayon). CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 05:08:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D98UFm007598 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:08:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D98NQh030510; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:08:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D984Da018846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:08:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D982Gv068207; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:08:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3D97wn0068092 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:07:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31457 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2006 09:07:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=arUa26Ri8R3VI0QHD1gcUaDvqcfvB3Ye/qPsXjex+MBk1zNzNAGLBD9fJo1HWxwYFwzbVA1gDIZOcI07I+w7GZpmf3evbRSe4fKISxYsnK/S7XflFLAxNPA7BNp4/zKIHrYPeaOQwzk10HlpPYQDYtN0aJskEa4Vf5mA7JLj4k4= ; Message-ID: <20060413090753.31455.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:07:53 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:07:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. leather and stays To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <028801c65e81$83aad180$ab00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:08:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E1507.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I would not use those for binding corsets. I do bookbinding as a hobby and those skins are vegetable tanned and very stiff and non stretchy as that is the qualities useful in bookbinding. I believe washing skins are alumtanned or something like that. At least they are much softer and pliable that bookbinding skins Tania E House wrote: By the way, I've seen kidskin for sale as a bookbinding supply--in fact, at the moment there's some up for sale on ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/LEATHER-OUTLET (click on kid skins under the store categories on the left) It's about the same cost as buying a similar amount of chamois. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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References: <4.3.1.2.20060413000431.0260db68@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060413000431.0260db68@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 10:18:00.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AC8CB40:01C65EE3] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:18:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E257A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Milk??? Hmmm, now I have heard of textiles made from the cellulose in soy, but milk? I can't remember right now which product, but either "Silk" soy milk, or "Vitasoy" has a little history of all the textile stuff that Henry Ford tried to use soy for. Some of my spinner friends don't particularly like spinning with soy silk, but then I suppose it is all what you get used to and what you have access to. Funny, when I tried to google on soy silk, I got this: Soy Silk and Ingeo Corn Fiber Soy Silk is made of left-overs from the tofu manufacturing process. ... Blending 75% Soy Silk with 25% fine wool adds memory and bounce while maintaining ...www.earthguild.com/products/spinning/spsoycor.htm - 4k - But when I clicked on it, I couldn't find anything else about the Inego.....I wonder how long it has been around? Bummer that it can melt when it gets ironed...I wonder how bad it is....thanks for sharing! Sg Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> I found the link in a friend's blog - fabric made from corn. Really! > > > There are knitting yarns made of this already, and yarns made of > milk. In, I believe, the 1880s, the new fiber was one made of wood > (Rayon). > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 07:05:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DB58wP001859 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:05:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DB506a014902; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:05:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DB4b5Q027072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:04:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DB4ZtX037921; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:04:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DB4VaS037798 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:04:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.3b7.10fc7a (29679) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:04:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3b7.10fc7a.316f8a34@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:04:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:05:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E305C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/13/2006 6:18:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@msn.com writes: now I have heard of textiles made from the cellulose in soy, but milk? Actually, these are regenerated PROTEIN fibers, as rayon is a regenerated cellulose fiber. Milk protein fabrics were big in the 1930s. So the milk and soy fibers are akin to silk and wool, as rayon is akin to cotton. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 07:37:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DBboij007861 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:37:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DBbgwx029465; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:37:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DBb9av029724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:37:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DBb4i4056786; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:37:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DBb0b7056733 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:37:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.210.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.210] helo=faucet.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FU08B-0004Ue-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:36:59 -0400 Message-ID: <443E4570.6080501@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:34:56 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos References: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> <72adc2660604121119ka31f4cdn3a95761f3b1a5125@mail.gmail.com> <20060412144246.qygkdp4rw4w40g44@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:37:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E3806.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > You can also see this line of trip just above the belt on some statues > from St. Loup de Naud. This is a large scan (ca. 1 MB in size) so that > you can see the details quite nicely. > > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/stLoupDeNaud_LeftPortal-detai2l.jpg This is very interesting--where is St. Loup de Naud, and is it known when the statuary was done? Thanks, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 08:11:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DCBZTE008627 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:11:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DCBRhr013982; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:11:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DCAru5032317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:10:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DCAmiM078327; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:10:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DCAj78078280 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:10:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02506 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:44:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:44:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos In-Reply-To: <443E4570.6080501@faucet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:11:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E3FEF.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > > > You can also see this line of trip just above the belt on some statues > > from St. Loup de Naud. This is a large scan (ca. 1 MB in size) so that > > you can see the details quite nicely. > > > > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/stLoupDeNaud_LeftPortal-detai2l.jpg > > This is very interesting--where is St. Loup de Naud, and is it known > when the statuary was done? It's by Provins -- e.g. not far from Paris or Chartres. The portals are 12th c. See http://perso.magic.fr/relet/StLoup/Saint_Loup_de_Naud/Saint_Loup_de_Naud.htm for some discussion of the portals For the French-impaired, that's http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://perso.magic.fr/relet/StLoup/Saint_Loup_de_Naud/Saint_Loup_de_Naud.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3DLoup%2Bde%2BNaud%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dgooglet but as usual this is a little cockeyed! First time I've seen "Moyen Age" (Middle Ages) translated as "the Average Age" ;-) The page says that the portal is not precisely dateable, but probably is around 1160, when the church received a major relic. The female figure is probably the Queen of Sheba (biblical, royal, foreign). There's a Queen of Sheba image in some costume books -- I think it's in Payne, among others, or maybe it was Davenport? -- but I don't know if it's the same one. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 08:26:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DCPw57008930 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:25:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DCPoaj021773; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:25:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DCPIND033413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:25:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DCPHIY087622; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3DCPEff087535 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:25:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pioneercynthia@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54521 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2006 12:25:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L4G+MKcwmHQiiBgfzFxMb7k096x9rT9q8KItKsXCL5TPzIy4/VCcHnfoNem/sxXJtlQ44Cc2vs8VMXk4548X7twnT4arjzDgyhuaNqqt1l9jYPY33s5MTxEHowfbhPwWAbeF4FiLqn6BIybajjR6gPuBm8txEXhhaCYl+KF/Oac= ; Message-ID: <20060413122509.54519.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.50.247.165] by web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:25:09 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:25:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Cynthia Schrage To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Arrowhead Reinforcement? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:25:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E434E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Dear All, Long time, no write. Sorry. I'm looking for information on how to make something I think is called Arrowhead Reinforcement. It's a finishing technique where the top of a slit (usually on shirt tails, I think) is reinforced at the end by a hand stitched arrowhead style design. Does anyone have information on how to make these? Thanks a bunch, Cynthia __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 09:02:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DD24vU010161 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:02:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DD1ugW014272; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:01:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DD1BNI037050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DD16Pl012707; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:01:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DD10tQ012588 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:01:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IXN00B15W5CRC70@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:00:45 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 331 In-reply-to: <2ce.6d7e9e3.316f1c53@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:02:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E4BC5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi Nancy-- Yes I've heard that classical statues were painted. Does anyone know if any survived with the paint intact? I know that we have both seen tons of medieval painted statues in the Met. Your comment about walls with a painted pattern reminded me of one. In Florence there is a room in the Palazzo Vecchio called the "Sala dei Gigli (Room of Lilies-- lilies/ fleur de lis being the symbol of the city of Florence) The walls are painted deep blue and there are gold fleur de lis all over it. Looks like wallpaper. Monica (Catriona) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of MaddNancy@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:16 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 331 In a message dated 4/12/2006 9:41:32 P.M. EST, Susan wrote: One of the things I find fascinating about a lot of medieval sculpture (and apparently, a fair bit of the classical stuff as well) is that it was painted! I have no idea of whether these particular examples were painted, but boy, wouldn't that have added an interesting layer of detail.... I took some pictures of statues in various museums that were painted. I mainly took the pictures because they were painted and, we're so unused to that idea. The one I remember off the top of my head had bright blue, red, and yellow robes. In addition to the statues, the walls might also be brightly painted. One of the rooms in one of the buildings at the Tower of London is currently in the process of being painted as it might have been at the time it was constructed. It looks likes a whitewash with a painted pattern on it. It's very attractive and really brightens up the room. Nancy (Maddalena) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 09:58:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DDwiiq011862 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:58:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DDwbWc018481; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:58:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DDwAUt042322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:58:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DDw8kI054227; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:58:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DDw3DQ054126 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:58:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 915669627 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:57:57 -0500 Message-ID: <049001c65f02$49d99f50$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin and arrowheads Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:57:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:58:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E590D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > The chamois that I've seen is yellow, and has a suede-like surface. > I know people like to use chamois because they can find it easily and > it's thin (nicer for hand stitching). > > Or do you mean something different for chamois - is it available > white and with a smooth surface? I think the identity problem is with manufacturers taking a name for a specific thing and using it for a wide variety of other, similar things. Unless I'm mistaken, a "true" Chamois is fine, absorbent leather made from the skin of a kind of mountain goat (with the same name, I think) and it's usually very light cream colored (and very expensive). People didn't buy them to polish their Chevy, they used them on their Lamborghini. :-) The yellow leather chamois polishing pieces sold in mass-market stores are inexpensive because they are not Chamois -- they are similar in use to Chamois: polishing your Ford. Absorbent chamois with a small "c" I suppose. ---------------------- >> I'm looking for information on how to make something I think is called Arrowhead Reinforcement. It's a finishing technique where the top of a slit (usually on shirt tails, I think) is reinforced at the end by a hand stitched arrowhead style design. = I've seen these on western shirts at each end of a breast pocket. Sometimes they are machine embroidered (simple straight lines with the wide end over edge of the slit) but usually they are small triangles of felt or leather that are machine stitched over each end of the slit. hope that helps Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 10:25:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEPn19012517 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:25:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DEPfqi004507; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:25:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEOuEj045728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:24:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEOrHl076814; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:24:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEOmCo076748 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:24:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m108.in-tch.com [216.166.191.108]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3DEFVA02408 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:15:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003d01c65f07$0cee6e40$6cbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c65ec7$9389eaf0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:32:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:25:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E5F66.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Ingeo? It's been around for a few years now, at least for the spinning and knitting communities. They're also making fiber for spinning/weaving/knitting out of soy. They're apparently similar to silk in the handle. Very inventive, but I've got enough on my plate just working with wool and silk and linen! ;o) Heck, you can even get yarn/fiber made from bamboo! --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:57 AM Subject: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? > I found the link in a friend's blog - fabric made from corn. Really! > > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12225701/site/newsweek/ > > Wonder how much it truly costs... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 10:47:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DElK1Z013320 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:47:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DElDKQ018424; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:47:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEkdUB048545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:46:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEkXH3095787; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:46:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEkSQK095596 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:46:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.3ac.1b9f1f (25711) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:46:19 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:46:19 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:47:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E6471.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/12/2006 8:06:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: as i hate binding for the guts of my heart. ************************ Hahahaha! Yes! Oh yes! I doubt you would need a leather needle to sew Kid, but you might get one just in case....for the machine I mean. And since it stretches a bit, if you have a walking foot...one with "feed dogs" to move the fabric on top as well as underneath, you might find that helpful. This assuming you're doing it by machine. If you plan to bind it by hand....never mind... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 10:58:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEwSiv013558 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:58:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DEwKm5025750; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:58:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEw2Pa049839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:58:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEvwC7006197; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-36.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEvqQp006097 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:57:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE683B624 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:57:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <443E66F5.7010201@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:57:57 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Portugal clothing in the 15th century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:58:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E670C.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I've been asked to help find sources for costumes for a school play... I believe they are doing the Columbus story. My information on Portugese clothing of that time is very thin... would it be safe to use Spanish sources? English? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 12:05:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DG5n80015785 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:05:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DG5gPG007778; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:05:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DG5B1i059298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:05:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DG4jhD065456; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:04:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DG4KaC065107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:04:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3DG45RF018681 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:04:12 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:05:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E76D6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > I doubt you would need a leather needle to sew Kid, but you might get one > just in case....for the machine I mean. And since it stretches a bit, if > you have a walking foot...one with "feed dogs" to move the fabric on top > as well as underneath, you might find that helpful. This assuming you're > doing it by machine. > If you plan to bind it by hand....never mind... There is that small matter of the boning... I did do a binding on lightly boned stays by machine - stitch for two inches, skip the 1/4 inch over the bone, stitch another 2"... then I went back and hand-stitched where the bones were. The idea, of course, is to enclose the end of the bone in leather, otherwise it will wear and poke through just below the leather. I suppose with light plastic boning you can sew right through it, but the Wissner is a harder plastic. I'm not sure you could put a needle through it without breaking the plastic, even if you have an industrial machine that could sew through it! By the way, some original stays have a single stitch through each bone (whalebone) about an inch from the top and an inch from the bottom to anchor it in the channel and keep it from sliding. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 12:10:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGA3tH015868 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:10:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DG9uX4010245; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:09:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DG9cQ2060046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:09:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DG9Pxt069699; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:09:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DG99LT069498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:09:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:27920 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FU4Nd-0006aA-JS for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:09:14 -0500 Message-ID: <031c01c65f14$99136e90$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <443E66F5.7010201@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portugal clothing in the 15th century Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:09:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:09:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E77D4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" > I've been asked to help find sources for costumes for a school play... I > believe they are doing the Columbus story. My information on Portugese > clothing of that time is very thin... would it be safe to use Spanish > sources? English? >From what I've seen, they look a lot closer to Spanish than anything else--you might want to look through http://jessamynscloset.com/ which has a collection of Spanish and Portuguese images. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 12:20:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGKWgI016127 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:20:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DGKO85016489; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:20:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGK0Xe061174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:20:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGJlVQ077516; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:19:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGCwGV072415 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:13:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.399.4060f3 (4468) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:12:31 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <399.4060f3.316fd26f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:12:31 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 332 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:20:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E7A48.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Wicked Frau writes: I am sorry I missed the original post. Can you explain again the information on the white linen garment (from Chartres?) and the last colored picture http://www.flickr.com/photos/maddnancyphotos/127491641/? Thanks, The white linen garment is the St. Louis tunic that is in the Treasury at Notre Dame. The colored picture is from the choir of Notre Dame. I have more info on it on my other computer. I included it because I always like to see examples of striped clothing. Nancy (Maddalena) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 12:39:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGd8Dk016656 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:39:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DGcwXF026807; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:39:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGc3pC063693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:38:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGbm6p092036; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:37:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3DGbZxP091720 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:37:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 67109 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 16:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.198.202 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 16:37:29 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060413173610.01dff038@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:37:35 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men query/clarification In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060413171919.01da9178@127.0.0.1> References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> <61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060413171919.01da9178@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:39:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E7EA3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 17:32 13/04/2006, you wrote: >O.K. I give up! I have searched all the usual suspects, Arnold, >Mikhaila, Waugh, Tudor Images, Costume in the Western World, >Davenport, Ashelford etc., the costume books edited by James Laver, >a beautiful Czech book I have and so on. I cannot find an image of a >gentleman in breeches and skirted doublet for about 1560-80. > >It is for my husband to wear to an SCA event we have been invited to >in the summer. I have all the garb for me for gentry, and my husband >has a pair of wool breeches and a pair of slightly non-authentic >boots that will have to do. However, as he is only going to be >wearing this doublet once, and i am totally tight for time, I need >something simple and thought that a plain but rich wool skirted >doublet would be ideal. He has his own peascod belly so won't need >padding, but the only images I can find are of upper class servants, >or peasants, and my husband would not have been a peasant!! >(Me? marry a peasant? - bah!) Sorry, I should have made it clear that I can easily find images of the doublet with trunk hose or plain hose, but not with breeches. That is what I need. >I may have to go with what I want rather than what is strictly >authentic, but any advice or images would be most welcome. > >Suzi > >http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://vassun.vassar.edu/~jasaeger/img/maps/hoefnagel_1024x-2g.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://vassun.vassar.edu/~jasaeger/img/maps/london-a.html&h=768&w=973&sz=166&tbnid=5x31pXSylFzxVM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=148&hl=en&start=14&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHoefnagel%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG > >The young man on the left is wearing the kind of doublet I mean. >(Sorry I don't know how to compress the url.) >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 13:59:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DHxXw6018923 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:59:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DHxPs2007004; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:59:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DHx7Jt076355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:59:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DHx0mH062952; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:59:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DHwuII062872 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:58:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so1576580wra for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:58:55 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=L5nlJV0c2MeUcU260JNkWb9ZBnnl95hK+GX9n9m2OINCGmEdjWc9Ewrv1fV8Y8Rblhkc3/iF+2xSsunZ27UcRadhPwrHUhh8dBxdgn8gQyJ3sP6SK5kRkPNSNh/rjdd7jz1lgg7/yQBzg9MQOKjdxmFBuZYDl51bDMMyVo3u7U4= Received: by 10.54.147.19 with SMTP id u19mr676412wrd; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.135.15 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:58:55 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3DHwuII062872 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Museo de Traje X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:59:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E917D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO H-costumers, A friend just came back from a trip to Spain & reported .a new costume museum in Madrid; it just opened in 2004. There's very very little from before the 18th c, but what there is, is new & interesting. museodeltraje.mcu.es On the side bar click: indumentaria histórica Noodle around and you will find an unusual sleeveless woman's doublet (jubon femenino) circa 1590-1620. I've never seen this particular garment before. The stripey skirtings are really fun. It reminded me of the red & white arches of Seville cathedral. There's also an early pocket, I think, under the "joyeria" (jewelry) section with what may be couched silver thread. Pretty, but a very small picture. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 14:08:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DI8fPQ019377 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:08:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DI8YAq012206; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:08:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DI8IZs077576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:08:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DI8DCq070258; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:08:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DI86Fj070152 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:08:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F40433E7D for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:06:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Arrowhead Reinforcement? Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:06:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 In-Reply-To: <20060413122509.54519.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:08:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E93A2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I only know of two types that have been call "Arrowhead". One is embroidery in which you embroider a triangle shape at the top of the slit uses either split stitch, darning stitch or a stitch that I can't remember what its called. The other method was taking triangular piece of the same material as the garment or item to be "arrowheaded", fold in a bit of the tips, then the sides. Stitch down the turned under sides with a point facing up and a side going across the top of the slit. Think of the slit as the shaft of an arrow and the triangular piece the arrowhead and that is how it should look in alignment. You will want to stitch the interior of the arrowhead, this I have seen artistic license as from simple triangle within triangle to initials to geometrics. There is the option of satin stitching instead of hemming the triangle for less bulk. This is my understanding of Arrowhead and may not be what you are looking for or the "real" arrowhead for slits. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 14:17:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIHWTJ019573 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:17:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DIHPVN017076; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:17:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIH3gP079295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:17:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIH1Im079279; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:17:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIGtkx079177 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:16:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F1D8A33E34 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:16:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:17:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 In-Reply-To: <399.4060f3.316fd26f@aol.com> Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Subject heading was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 332 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:17:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E95B5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thank you, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 14:29:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DITVlP020109 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:29:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DITNxf023954; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:29:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIDbkd078687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:28:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGWqNv087700; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3DGWa1A087359 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:32:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 14655 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 16:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.198.202 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 16:32:18 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060413171919.01da9178@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:32:23 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.ne t> References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> <61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 16th century men query X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:29:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E9883.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO O.K. I give up! I have searched all the usual suspects, Arnold, Mikhaila, Waugh, Tudor Images, Costume in the Western World, Davenport, Ashelford etc., the costume books edited by James Laver, a beautiful Czech book I have and so on. I cannot find an image of a gentleman in breeches and skirted doublet for about 1560-80. It is for my husband to wear to an SCA event we have been invited to in the summer. I have all the garb for me for gentry, and my husband has a pair of wool breeches and a pair of slightly non-authentic boots that will have to do. However, as he is only going to be wearing this doublet once, and i am totally tight for time, I need something simple and thought that a plain but rich wool skirted doublet would be ideal. He has his own peascod belly so won't need padding, but the only images I can find are of upper class servants, or peasants, and my husband would not have been a peasant!! (Me? marry a peasant? - bah!) I may have to go with what I want rather than what is strictly authentic, but any advice or images would be most welcome. Suzi http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://vassun.vassar.edu/~jasaeger/img/maps/hoefnagel_1024x-2g.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://vassun.vassar.edu/~jasaeger/img/maps/london-a.html&h=768&w=973&sz=166&tbnid=5x31pXSylFzxVM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=148&hl=en&start=14&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHoefnagel%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG The young man on the left is wearing the kind of doublet I mean. (Sorry I don't know how to compress the url.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 14:55:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DItA1p020665 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:55:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DIt2WN007101; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:55:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIslaj084093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:54:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIsfrR014920; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:54:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIsY61014742 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:54:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5578.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.120]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F336262845 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:54:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000f01c65f2b$b54a0f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com><57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <049001c65f02$49d99f50$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin and arrowheads Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:54:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:55:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E9E86.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Arrowheads are very beautifull when made by hand. These are usually worked with the same buttonhole thread as the buttonholes. There must be a place they show it online, but i dont know where. My Burda Sewing book has very nice instruktions to make them. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin and arrowheads >> The chamois that I've seen is yellow, and has a suede-like surface. >> I know people like to use chamois because they can find it easily and >> it's thin (nicer for hand stitching). >> >> Or do you mean something different for chamois - is it available >> white and with a smooth surface? > > I think the identity problem is with manufacturers taking a name for a > specific thing and using it for a wide variety of other, similar things. > Unless I'm mistaken, a "true" Chamois is fine, absorbent leather made from > the skin of a kind of mountain goat (with the same name, I think) and it's > usually very light cream colored (and very expensive). People didn't buy > them to polish their Chevy, they used them on their Lamborghini. :-) The > yellow leather chamois polishing pieces sold in mass-market stores are > inexpensive because they are not Chamois -- they are similar in use to > Chamois: polishing your Ford. Absorbent chamois with a small "c" I > suppose. > > ---------------------- >>> I'm looking for information on how to make something I > think is called Arrowhead Reinforcement. It's a > finishing technique where the top of a slit (usually > on shirt tails, I think) is reinforced at the end by a > hand stitched arrowhead style design. > > = > I've seen these on western shirts at each end of a breast pocket. > Sometimes they are machine embroidered (simple straight lines with the > wide end over edge of the slit) but usually they are small triangles of > felt or leather that are machine stitched over each end of the slit. > > > hope that helps > Denise > Iowa > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 15:11:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJBpDY021258 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:11:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DJBhuU017691; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:11:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJB9Lf086298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:11:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJB0sa030511; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:11:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJAqSt030366 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:10:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5578.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.120]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 266DEFAC026 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:10:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005801c65f2d$f4ee41e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> <61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:10:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:11:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443EA26F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi Carol. Thanks for your informations. I didnt know that some bones were anchored to the channels. Wiessner boning is hard plastic, but you actually can sew trough it with a strong sewing needle on the machine. But i plan to bind all the edges by hand, i also sewed all the sections together by hand. I cant do it on a machine, because i use bones in all the channels of the tabs, and it s very difficult to control the sewingmachine on top of the bones. Its a comission and i think i just want to bind the edges with ivory silk taffeta i have. I dont have the time to find kid, and i think i would have to praktise a lot with it before i use it on a pair of stays. But thanks all for helping me with the questions i had about kid skin. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays >> I doubt you would need a leather needle to sew Kid, but you might get one >> just in case....for the machine I mean. And since it stretches a bit, if >> you have a walking foot...one with "feed dogs" to move the fabric on top >> as well as underneath, you might find that helpful. This assuming you're >> doing it by machine. >> If you plan to bind it by hand....never mind... > > There is that small matter of the boning... > > I did do a binding on lightly boned stays by machine - stitch for two > inches, skip the 1/4 inch over the bone, stitch another 2"... then I > went back and hand-stitched where the bones were. > > The idea, of course, is to enclose the end of the bone in leather, > otherwise it will wear and poke through just below the leather. > > I suppose with light plastic boning you can sew right through it, but > the Wissner is a harder plastic. I'm not sure you could put a needle > through it without breaking the plastic, even if you have an > industrial machine that could sew through it! > > By the way, some original stays have a single stitch through each > bone (whalebone) about an inch from the top and an inch from the > bottom to anchor it in the channel and keep it from sliding. > > -Carol > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 15:40:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJe1Sw022017 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:40:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DJdrxJ004244; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:39:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJdTEK090500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:39:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJdPTg055219; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:39:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJdExA055014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:39:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:29110 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FU7ev-00037N-Nk for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:39:18 -0500 Message-ID: <034a01c65f31$f0871a60$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:39:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:39:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443EA909.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Wow, they have some really interesting 18thC stuff that I've never seen before! By the way, there's an English version of the site--on the front page, near the middle, you'll see a link that says 'Welcome' which will lead you to it. Also, you have to go to Gallery under Collections before you can get to the indumentaria histórica/ historical dress section, and you may want to go straight to the catalog section (under Collections) where you can search for images. Unfortunately, there's no English version of the search engine. -E House USED to be a fluent Spanish-speaker... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 15:51:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJpGJO022282 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:51:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DJp93E010700; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:51:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJoIGH092120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:50:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJoBM7064005; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:50:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJo2CI063857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:50:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3DJnwBY007498 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:50:01 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <63688.72.13.239.193.1144957801.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <005801c65f2d$f4ee41e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> <61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <005801c65f2d$f4ee41e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:51:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443EABAD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Glad I could help! I've seen the Wissner in a thicker weight (probably for hoops rather than boning) which I can't imagine sewing through. If the standard weight can be sewn, all the better! I would suggest a nice cotton or linen tape for binding rather than silk. Silk has poor abrasion resistance, and the edges of stays will get a lot of wear. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 16:19:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DKJfp5023009 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:19:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DKJYCe025953; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:19:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DKE4m8094943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:17:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJsYEf067625; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:54:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJrvY6067099 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:54:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5578.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.120]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F789262835 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:53:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001101c65f34$08d12460$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <034a01c65f31$f0871a60$ab00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:54:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:19:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443EB256.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ahh, Would someone please send the URL again? Clumsy Bjarne who delited it! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje > Wow, they have some really interesting 18thC stuff that I've never seen > before! > > By the way, there's an English version of the site--on the front page, > near the middle, you'll see a link that says 'Welcome' which will lead you > to it. Also, you have to go to Gallery under Collections before you can > get to the indumentaria histórica/ historical dress section, and you may > want to go straight to the catalog section (under Collections) where you > can search for images. Unfortunately, there's no English version of the > search engine. > > -E House USED to be a fluent Spanish-speaker... > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 17:07:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DL7QPv024493 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:07:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DL7IEq016819; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:07:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DL6S2r099916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:06:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DL58qR022721; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:06:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav22.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DKmBGf008070 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:52:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:48:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.32.242.61 by BAY106-DAV22.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:48:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.32.242.61] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com><61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <005801c65f2d$f4ee41e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:48:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0026.0800 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:48:18 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 20:48:05.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[908F08C0:01C65F3B] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:07:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443EBD86.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3DL7QPv024493 Status: RO Bjarne, this place is local for me, but they mail order. They have a nice supply of kid leather in their bridal/specialty department. It's reasonable as well: Mill End Retail Fabric Store (503) 786-1234 9701 SE McLoughlin Blvd Portland, OR 97222 www.millendstore.com HTH-- LuAnn in Washington _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 18:10:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DMAORO026341 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:10:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DMAHVr013766; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:10:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DM9ijr008779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DM9eOg079696; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DM9aFf079568 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:09:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.37e.678a32 (25711) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:09:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <37e.678a32.31702617@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:09:27 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:10:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443ECC49.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/13/2006 3:40:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, formfunc@formfunction.org writes: Wow, they have some really interesting 18thC ******************* Yes, that beautiful embroidered 1740 woman's jacket! And the very BLUE man's suit from the 1760s. And the woman's jerkin is really beautiful [ like "cinbarnes" said] What fun! Let's all go! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 18:39:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DMdNgR027035 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:39:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DMdGOj026663; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:39:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DMcueM012095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:38:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DMckaK005177; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:38:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DMcaFr004973 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.30e.2dd6c30 (25711) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:38:25 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <30e.2dd6c30.31702ce0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:38:24 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:39:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443ED314.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/13/2006 2:00:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cinbarnes@gmail.com writes: museodeltraje.mcu.es ***************** there ya go, Bjarne. BTW....check out the wonderful stuff under "Popular Costume" [Indumentaria popular] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 21:07:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E17dIu000475 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:07:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E17Ujr023267; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:07:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E16k71027193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E16iVE019425; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:06:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E16eWo019381 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A47221B0066; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:01:38 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16th century men query Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:06:49 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c65f5f$b5bd4610$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060413171919.01da9178@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO The new book, "The Tudor Tailor" has a line drawing of almost exactly what you want, on page 63. You would just have to make the hanging sleeves. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:32 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 16th century men query O.K. I give up! I have searched all the usual suspects, Arnold, Mikhaila, Waugh, Tudor Images, Costume in the Western World, Davenport, Ashelford etc., the costume books edited by James Laver, a beautiful Czech book I have and so on. I cannot find an image of a gentleman in breeches and skirted doublet for about 1560-80. It is for my husband to wear to an SCA event we have been invited to in the summer. I have all the garb for me for gentry, and my husband has a pair of wool breeches and a pair of slightly non-authentic boots that will have to do. However, as he is only going to be wearing this doublet once, and i am totally tight for time, I need something simple and thought that a plain but rich wool skirted doublet would be ideal. He has his own peascod belly so won't need padding, but the only images I can find are of upper class servants, or peasants, and my husband would not have been a peasant!! (Me? marry a peasant? - bah!) I may have to go with what I want rather than what is strictly authentic, but any advice or images would be most welcome. Suzi http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://vassun.vassar.edu/~jasaeger/ img/maps/hoefnagel_1024x-2g.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://vassun.vassar.edu/~jasaege r/img/maps/london-a.html&h=768&w=973&sz=166&tbnid=5x31pXSylFzxVM:&tbnh=116&t bnw=148&hl=en&start=14&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHoefnagel%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%2 6lr%3D%26sa%3DG The young man on the left is wearing the kind of doublet I mean. (Sorry I don't know how to compress the url.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 22:14:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2E9Uv003261 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:14:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E2E1Eo017809; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:14:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2DgsF035398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:13:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2DdXI069689; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:13:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2DaKB069572 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:13:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2f0.3d7229e (32913) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2f0.3d7229e.31705f49@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:13:29 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men query To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:14:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F0569.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/13/2006 9:07:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: The new book, "The Tudor Tailor" has a line drawing of almost exactly what you want, on page 63. You would just have to make the hanging sleeves. ************** I don't see any breeches on page 63. I thought her dilemma was she cannot find a pictorial reference to a doublet with long skirts worn with "breeches"....by which I think she means Venetians. There is a rendering of a man in a skirted doublet [one looks like a jerkin] with paned hosen that come to just above the knee on pages 11, 15 and 19. The paintings these details are from are "The Fete at Bermondsey" by Joris Hoefnagel c1570 [page 11] "The Embarkation at Dover" in the Royal Collection [page 15] and "The Field of the Cloth of Gold", also in the Royal Collection [Page 19] The whole paintings [I think] are on the "Contents" page....but get your magnifying glass out. But that's the problem isn't it? Most renderings of a doublet with Venetians are of the later short doublet with tassets. And again, these men all appear to be servants of some kind holding arms or something. But some are just dancing or socializing so you cannot really tell. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 22:32:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2W98I003895 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:32:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E2W2hn024916; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:32:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2VOed036853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2VLoi084312; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:31:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEKjBc073377 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:20:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm25.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE4940632 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:20:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20060413072038.6D8A646D@resin07.mta.everyone.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:20:38 -0700 (PDT) From: " Lalah" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nREPl421gZ7RgEAAAAB,314c6ce35ffefc3675c771cf08d9bde1 X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.70] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:32:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F09A2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Corn - the new peanut. Sounds like they are trying to make corn into everything from clothes to gas. However, thin, not stretcy fabric sounds good and the dress in the picture looks floaty enough for anyone. Hope they don't use all the corn up - I like eating it. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 22:33:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2XsOO003974 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:33:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E2XlWG002666; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:33:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2XRnC037180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2XR0w086204; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIuYOT016698 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:56:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5578.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.120]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 98A90FAC028 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:56:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001a01c65f2b$ffe10fd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <443E66F5.7010201@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portugal clothing in the 15th century Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:56:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:33:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F0A0B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Dawn, I think that a little later, portugal was ruled by a spanish king, so i would guess they not only are very close together regionally, but also fashionable. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] Portugal clothing in the 15th century > I've been asked to help find sources for costumes for a school play... I > believe they are doing the Columbus story. My information on Portugese > clothing of that time is very thin... would it be safe to use Spanish > sources? English? > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 22:34:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2Y9e6003987 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E2Y263023611; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2Xpnr037272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2Xo5G086548; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJtq1E068454 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:55:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5578.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.120]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C538262860 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:55:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001601c65f34$4d7e0380$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com><61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net><005801c65f2d$f4ee41e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <63688.72.13.239.193.1144957801.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:56:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F0A1A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Carol, Yes i know it would be best with cotton or linnen, but really for reenacting will it really be worned this much? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays > > Glad I could help! I've seen the Wissner in a thicker weight > (probably for hoops rather than boning) which I can't imagine sewing > through. If the standard weight can be sewn, all the better! > > I would suggest a nice cotton or linen tape for binding rather than > silk. Silk has poor abrasion resistance, and the edges of stays will > get a lot of wear. > > -Carol > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 22:34:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2YBIu003988 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E2Y3Yk008360; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2XaWc037209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2XZMO086333; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJXGHH049907 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1fa.1d530518 (32913) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:32:59 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1fa.1d530518.3170016b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:32:59 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F0A1B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3E2YBIu003988 Status: RO In a message dated 4/13/2006 2:01:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cinbarnes@gmail.com writes: On the side bar click: indumentaria histórica Thanks for the lead, but I didn't see this on the initial sidebar. Can you tell us what heading it is under? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 22:34:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2YJhu003993 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E2YC9O025694; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2XgJV037241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2Xg4Z086459; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3DJmHHl062289 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:48:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 47381 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 19:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.198.202 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 19:48:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060413204555.01e06b80@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:48:16 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje In-Reply-To: <034a01c65f31$f0871a60$ab00a8c0@compaqub> References: <034a01c65f31$f0871a60$ab00a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3DJmHHl062289 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F0A24.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 20:39 13/04/2006, you wrote: >Wow, they have some really interesting 18thC >stuff that I've never seen before! > >By the way, there's an English version of the >site--on the front page, near the middle, you'll >see a link that says 'Welcome' which will lead >you to it. Also, you have to go to Gallery under >Collections before you can get to the >indumentaria histórica/ historical dress >section, and you may want to go straight to the >catalog section (under Collections) where you >can search for images. Unfortunately, there's >no English version of the search engine. > >-E House USED to be a fluent Spanish-speaker... I wish I'd known when I was in Madrid last year. I only managed two days at the Prado, one at the Borne Misza and two exhibitions in the Palacio Real during my 6 days there. I could have had another museum day! Seriously, I do wish I'd known. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 22:34:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2YNVE004000 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E2YGPA028975; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2Y0JM037296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:34:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2Xxoh086691; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DKcuEm001135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:43:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:29226 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FU8ai-0000ja-3K for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:39:00 -0500 Message-ID: <035c01c65f3a$476d38c0$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <034a01c65f31$f0871a60$ab00a8c0@compaqub> <001101c65f34$08d12460$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:38:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F0A28.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" <> http://museodeltraje.mcu.es -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 22:39:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2dFhq004140 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:39:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E2d8Oq027641; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:39:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2ctfA037773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:38:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2crTH090711; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2cnWM090616 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:38:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fBTEYw0ShK8KI8qpMX20usWDdqwBpCcr6vBwh843K/cXaaXxPNgVN5xTkfJIvzIV; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.7.105] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FUECv-00069Q-AR for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:38:49 -0400 Message-ID: <048401c65f6c$c4ca0b40$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:40:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd489723e3c1ee21a58d6a9f65106cd8026a3d22eb99cf5c6dcb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.7.105 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Boise, Idaho, USA X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:39:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F0B4C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3E2dFhq004140 Status: RO I find myself going to Boise the end of next month, and I'm wondering if there's anything of interest to costumers there? I know the University of Idaho is there, but I have no idea what kind of library or museum they might have, or if there's anything else in town. I'll be there on a weekday, and have most of the day to myself. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 23:02:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E32ccr004818 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:02:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E32VVc004044; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:02:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E326dE040126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:02:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E324ft008496; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E320hw008384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:02:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3E4n5VP004420 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:49:06 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:08:17 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <443DA4F1.4080805@rogers.com> <4.3.1.2.20060412234914.025ab070@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060412234914.025ab070@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604132208.17997.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:02:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F10C7.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thursday 13 April 2006 2:50 am, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >Of course, there would still be art interpretation issues, > >much as there are for miniatures (e.g., was this color chosen for its > >symbolism? or because it was an easily available paint pigment? or > > because people actually wore it?) > > There's always a difference between dyestuff, for fabric, and paint > pigment. And what's good for one isn't necessarily good for the other. That's true. But I was thinking more along the lines of "certain shades are possible in paint that may not be possible in textile dyes, and vice versa." -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 23:15:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3FfBJ005273 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:15:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E3FYXa008472; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:15:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3F9Lx041594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:15:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3F6up017836; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:15:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3F359017792 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:15:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 862DA36A42 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:15:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Portugal clothing in the 15th century Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:15:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001a01c65f2b$ffe10fd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:15:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F13D6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO During the 1500s I do believe that Portugal and Spain did not get along with each other. Said to be like siblings trying to one up the other. Then in 1580, Philip of Spain invaded and conquered Portugal. It was not many years after this that you get the Jewish exodus from Spain and Portugal. I think sometime after Holland became free of the Spanish rule as many of the refugees went there. I was told by someone who has research the 1500s Spain and Portugal but not the 1400s said that the fashions were similar but there were differences. Probably not much help but maybe something. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 23:17:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3Huts005342 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:17:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E3Hntd009261; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:17:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3Hdqg041778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:17:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3Hcv3019768; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (thunder.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3HXtu019673 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:17:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1F94B702 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:17:31 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-90.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-90.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.90]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:17:30 +1000 Message-ID: <1144984650.443f144aeca9d@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:17:30 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <049001c65f02$49d99f50$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <049001c65f02$49d99f50$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Naming kids X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:17:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F145D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > I think the identity problem is with Yes, the problem we will always have here is different names used by manufacturers and across national borders. Here on the correct side of the Pacific, for instance, a bang, cotton, and a fringe have different meanings than are usual in North America. When I go to the dealers to buy kid (leather, not half-built people) I expect a thinner, soft leather with a little bit of stretch to it. A skin will be around 6 square feet in size and come from a young goat. One side is shiney in the traditional leather look, the reverse is more fibrous like suede. Colours can be standards like brown and black through to outrageous hot ones, all depending upon what has been done at the tannery. If you get lucky enough, you will find some that has been printed or stamped with a pattern. Chamois is another kind of kid skin to my thinking, sometimes used for binding of clothing, often for gloves and so forth, but most commonly used for cleaning gooey bits of kangaroo off the grill of the Ford Falcon. It was marketed as "shammee" for many years. Unfortunately, these are available in synthetics now. Fake chamois can be bought for cleaning purposes, it is somewhere between a loosely woven soft cloth and felt. Upholsterers have been using fake leathers for some time now including very soft vinyl they claim to be as close as kid as you can get -- of course, they can never show a kid skin with criss-cross fibres just under the surface! Yeah, I know, all this is boring for most but we are all gonna keep an eye on language differences or we will be like the five blind men trying to describe an elephant. By the way, kangaroo? Did I say kangaroo? If you like kid you will love kangaroo hide! -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 23:42:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3g1st006011 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:42:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E3frv7017488; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:41:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3eFkC043660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:40:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3eEkt035354; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3eATi035235 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:40:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 3445C1800125 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:40:53 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 14 Apr 2006 03:31:30 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 72B5BCA0AF; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:40:54 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:40:54 -0500 Received: from [149.169.241.166] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:40:54 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 149.169.241.166 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060414034054.72B5BCA0AF@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3E3eATi035235 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Sari for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:41:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F1A02.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am selling a cotton ikat sari, approximately 5.5 yards long. If interested please email me off list. -Katie -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 02:57:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E6vDaL031571 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:57:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E6v5HU021609; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:57:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E6u7Fi070561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E6u2gx072846; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:56:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3E6twkr072736 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:56:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 86585 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 06:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.198.202 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 06:55:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060414074821.01e10e40@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 07:54:06 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men query In-Reply-To: <2f0.3d7229e.31705f49@aol.com> References: <2f0.3d7229e.31705f49@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:57:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F47C1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > >The new book, "The Tudor Tailor" has a line drawing of almost exactly what >you want, on page 63. You would just have to make the hanging sleeves. > > > >************** >I don't see any breeches on page 63. > >I thought her dilemma was she cannot find a pictorial reference to a doublet >with long skirts worn with "breeches"....by which I think she means >Venetians. That is precisely it - and they are breeches that we have. (My husband used them for "any" period when required by the Royal Shakespeare Company for whom he worked.) They have a button fly, which I want to hide with the doublet. >There is a rendering of a man in a skirted doublet [one looks like a >jerkin] with paned hosen that come to just above the knee on pages >11, 15 and 19. >The paintings these details are from are > >"The Fete at Bermondsey" by Joris Hoefnagel c1570 [page 11] >"The Embarkation at Dover" in the Royal Collection [page 15] >and >"The Field of the Cloth of Gold", also in the Royal Collection [Page 19] > >The whole paintings [I think] are on the "Contents" page....but get your >magnifying glass out. I have done this with all the paintings!! I have detailed blow up pictures of the two Henry Vlll paintings, but they are really too early. > >But that's the problem isn't it? Most renderings of a doublet with Venetians >are of the later short doublet with tassets. Exactly. > >And again, these men all appear to be servants of some kind holding arms or >something. But some are just dancing or socializing so you cannot >really tell. Like I said - me consort with a servant? I understand it's a very posh do we are invited to. Ah well, someone somewhere must have worn them sometimes. Lack of evidence is not lack of fact, and there were an *awful lot* of people who were not painted. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 03:36:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E7aiDa006866 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:36:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E7abLf002715; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:36:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E7aQxH072069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:36:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E7YpdT091655; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E7Ym8T091615 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:34:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AF69350D00E0; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 07:29:45 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16th century men query Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:34:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c65f95$ee29f210$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <2f0.3d7229e.31705f49@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Sorry, thought she needed a doublet. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:13 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men query In a message dated 4/13/2006 9:07:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: The new book, "The Tudor Tailor" has a line drawing of almost exactly what you want, on page 63. You would just have to make the hanging sleeves. ************** I don't see any breeches on page 63. I thought her dilemma was she cannot find a pictorial reference to a doublet with long skirts worn with "breeches"....by which I think she means Venetians. There is a rendering of a man in a skirted doublet [one looks like a jerkin] with paned hosen that come to just above the knee on pages 11, 15 and 19. The paintings these details are from are "The Fete at Bermondsey" by Joris Hoefnagel c1570 [page 11] "The Embarkation at Dover" in the Royal Collection [page 15] and "The Field of the Cloth of Gold", also in the Royal Collection [Page 19] The whole paintings [I think] are on the "Contents" page....but get your magnifying glass out. But that's the problem isn't it? Most renderings of a doublet with Venetians are of the later short doublet with tassets. And again, these men all appear to be servants of some kind holding arms or something. But some are just dancing or socializing so you cannot really tell. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 03:44:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E7iOcO007547 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:44:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E7iHpI005545; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:44:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E7hb0O073125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E7KwI2084987; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:22:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E7KH8n084721 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4FC5DC17 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060414001425.038d7190@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:20:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men query In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060413171919.01da9178@127.0.0.1> References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> <61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060413171919.01da9178@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:44:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F52D1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 09:32 AM 4/13/2006, you wrote: >I cannot find an image of a gentleman in breeches and skirted doublet for >about 1560-80. When in doubt, I check Norris for leads. I know he redraws, but its a redraw from something original, even if it is partly made up or modified. In this case, Charles IX by Francois Clouet, 1569. http://tinyurl.com/hnlo7 There are a lot of his images. Go down just a little bit, and images #9 and #10 should do you right. Seems that style is not much in fashion at that time, because it was the only one with such long skirts that I could find. Norris does show a Scottish nobleman, 1567 with skirts almost as long, but I don't know where the original image would be located to confirm. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 05:54:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E9slvV002241 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:54:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E9seKr021736; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:54:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E9sKcD098369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:54:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E9sIfi079158; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:54:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E9sEKR079021 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3a3.58f2ba (17377) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:54:01 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3a3.58f2ba.3170cb39@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:54:01 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:54:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F7160.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/13/2006 10:33:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: I could have had another museum day! Seriously, I do wish I'd known. Well, now we all have another excuse to go back to Madrid! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 06:46:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EAkA9h015812 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:46:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3EAk3uV008395; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:46:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EAjDjs001983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:45:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EAjBss015811; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:45:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3EAj6PI015687 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 19062 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 10:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.198.202 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 10:45:01 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060414114154.01db5d50@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:43:23 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men query In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060414001425.038d7190@64.87.54.245> References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> <61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060413171919.01da9178@127.0.0.1> <6.2.1.2.0.20060414001425.038d7190@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:46:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F7D6B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 08:20 14/04/2006, you wrote: >At 09:32 AM 4/13/2006, you wrote: >>I cannot find an image of a gentleman in breeches and skirted >>doublet for about 1560-80. > > >When in doubt, I check Norris for leads. I know he redraws, but its >a redraw from something original, even if it is partly made up or modified. > >In this case, Charles IX by Francois Clouet, 1569. > >http://tinyurl.com/hnlo7 > >There are a lot of his images. Go down just a little bit, and images >#9 and #10 should do you right. > >Seems that style is not much in fashion at that time, because it was >the only one with such long skirts that I could find. Norris does >show a Scottish nobleman, 1567 with skirts almost as long, but I >don't know where the original image would be located to confirm. > >Kimiko Thanks Kimiko, but I don't think it's quite what I am after - I trawled the Clouets already. I have a picture of a shorter doublet and Venetians which I may have to go with. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 10:59:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EEx8EK023232 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:59:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3EEx0LV027857; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:59:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EEwL4G027963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:58:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EEwFVw000130; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:58:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EEw8Ii099932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:58:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3EEw0BJ003227 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:58:07 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51443.72.13.239.193.1145026687.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <001601c65f34$4d7e0380$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com><61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net><005801c65f2d$f4ee41e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <63688.72.13.239.193.1144957801.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <001601c65f34$4d7e0380$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:59:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443FB8B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Hi Carol, > Yes i know it would be best with cotton or linnen, but really for > reenacting will it really be worned this much? > > Bjarne I haven't reenacted much lately, but three years back I was wearing the stays I made 15 and 20 years ago. With the older set, I reinforced the binding under the arms and repaired them a few times. Yes, we wear them quite a lot! I don't know how much your client will be wearing her stays. A dance once a year, or 30 weekends per year, or somewhere in-between? I've seen originals bound in linen tape (late 18thC) but I have not seen any bound with silk. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 13:56:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EHuKSm029870 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:56:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3EHuCKF012053; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:56:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EHtYq4062191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:55:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EHrLup048970; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:55:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EHY1GR034783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (209-148-120-20.arc15.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.120.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3EHEOdD020057 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:14:27 -0700 Message-ID: <443FD872.9010701@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:14:26 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? 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Status: RO Did you ever read a graphic novel called "Motel of the Mysteries," featuring the archaelogical discovery of a 20th-century motel? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > I'm imagining the reenactor of the future doing light research about > people in the early 21stC wearing corn. They will do extensive > experiments with spinning and weaving the corn silk - we must have > l _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 14:52:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EIqeq5031649 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:52:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3EIqW23006945; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:52:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EIpchh068169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:52:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EH1E2w007871; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:01:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EH0rK5007493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:01:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3EH0WqF002941 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:00:39 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51947.72.13.239.193.1145034039.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <20060413072038.6D8A646D@resin07.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060413072038.6D8A646D@resin07.mta.everyone.net> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:52:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443FEF70.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm imagining the reenactor of the future doing light research about people in the early 21stC wearing corn. They will do extensive experiments with spinning and weaving the corn silk - we must have lost that technology! And then someone will find a corn-husk doll and understand that it was a realistic representation of dress. But did people wear giant corn husks, or make "feathered" garments with them? What base fabric did they use? Can anyone help me with this research, someone said they did not grow corn as large as we do today, but then I saw this movie called "Sleeper" where obviously they did... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 15:09:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EJ9XFY032374 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:09:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3EJ9PqT014743; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:09:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EJ8wli070124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:08:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EJ8qFj007005; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:08:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EJ8eA3006785 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:08:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24719.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.25]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A9BC2262832 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:08:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001201c65ff6$dec67760$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:08:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] off topic pyramids X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:09:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443FF365.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Have you seen the news about they want to find out the mystery of the new pyramids in Bosnia made 2000 years ago? Pyramids in Europe? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 15:13:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EJDIS8032498 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:13:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3EJDBpU016403; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:13:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EJCvKF070734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:12:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EJCpAL010527; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:12:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EJCGgB009855 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:12:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.399.66b1af (29672) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:12:08 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <399.66b1af.31714e07@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:12:07 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic pyramids To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:13:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443FF447.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/14/2006 3:10:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Pyramids in Europe? **************** well they've got 'em in South and Central America too, y'know. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 17:40:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ELevQr005008 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:40:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ELeneg010839; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:40:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ELeQVN091111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:40:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ELeHZ5036843; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:Oex6vfVrNWYFw3vUbQdsu+0W3QaZo7n2@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ELeAWg036720 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.88] (206-124-5-88.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.88]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k3ELatk05414 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:36:56 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <311.2c4388f.316f3f8a@aol.com> References: <311.2c4388f.316f3f8a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <624697af09ccc669ddd6df3f9e9ffe7b@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two questions Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:41:19 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:40:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 444016E1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking of stretching hats, is there any way to stretch out a leather cowboy hat? I left mine in the back of my car on a hot summer day and it shrank. to where it won't fit any more. Sylrog On Apr 12, 2006, at 11:45 PM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/13/2006 12:36:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, > lalahcatlady@netscape.com writes: > > Can anyone tell me how to stretch a cotton/rayon "cowboy" hat from a > size 6 > 3/4 to a size 7? > > > > Does it have an interior band? If so, you may have to remove it. If > not, > just try steaming, steaming, with a teakettle if you don't have a > proper > steamer, then putting it on the right size form (or maybe even the > head will > work). However, sounds like said hat is cheap enough not to bother, > nor might > that steaming will even work. But you aren't out much if it doesn't. > There are > lots of sources for cheap cowboy hats out there. On-line, try > Shepler's. > Around here, the Latino stores stock straw ones--not felt, so much. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 18:22:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EMMJ4W006045 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:22:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3EMMCHS025840; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:22:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EMGWYZ095499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EMGUhU065666; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EMGQCF065525 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.3a5.6a30f0 (29672) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:16:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3a5.6a30f0.3171792e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:16:14 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two questions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:22:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44402094.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/14/2006 5:44:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: Speaking of stretching hats, is there any way to stretch out a leather cowboy hat? *********************** I'm sure you can do that. They stretch gloves and shoes. You need to make the leather supple. I'm sure a shoe repair place [that stretches shoes] can help you with what product will do that. Then you need some kind of form to stretch the hat on. Are there no places that blocks hats in your area? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 18:40:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EMepG9006835 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:40:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3EMeiKT032325; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:40:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EMeOle098037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:40:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EMeK5u082972; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:s/eLDFyfFMa0cdLYW81SUjZegULFMzTO@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EMeFcu082902 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:40:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.88] (206-124-5-88.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.88]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k3EMb3k09018 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:37:03 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <3a5.6a30f0.3171792e@aol.com> References: <3a5.6a30f0.3171792e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3e9d0b25ecf135f7b2cb17a0f702321a@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two questions Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:41:26 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:40:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 444024EC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I live in the Denver area and haven't come across any such place. Maybe I'll check a shoe repair shop. On Apr 14, 2006, at 4:16 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/14/2006 5:44:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > sylvia@ntw.net writes: > > Speaking of stretching hats, is there any way to stretch out a leather > cowboy hat? > *********************** > > I'm sure you can do that. They stretch gloves and shoes. You need to > make > the leather supple. I'm sure a shoe repair place [that stretches > shoes] can help > you with what product will do that. Then you need some kind of form to > stretch the hat on. Are there no places that blocks hats in your area? > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 19:10:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ENAD2b007775 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:10:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ENA5X1009543; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:10:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EN9ioH001390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EN9emv004258; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tonnant.concentric.com (tonnant.concentric.com [207.155.248.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EN9Tw1004143 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:09:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from julie (66-105-235-16.sd-02.cvx.algx.net [66.105.235.16]) by tonnant.concentric.com id TAA20168; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:09:22 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] From: "Julie Tamura" To: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:09:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c66018$7a934030$10eb6942@julie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: <200604141814.k3EI8LfO060986@net.indra.com> Thread-Index: AcZf74PRQlwq7Hq3QD2re2CDEoypjgAKE14g X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT- reenacting was new fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:10:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44402BCD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of h-costume-request@indra.com Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 11:14 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 335 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to Is that the one where they discover a toilet and decide it must have been an altar for worship...gave lots of interesting reasons, one of them being its important location in the house. I think about that when we're all discussing some artifact that we have absolutely no clue what it might have been used for and wonder just how much our ancient ancestors must be laughing at how far off we are Julie ***************** Did you ever read a graphic novel called "Motel of the Mysteries," featuring the archaelogical discovery of a 20th-century motel? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > I'm imagining the reenactor of the future doing light research about > people in the early 21stC wearing corn. They will do extensive > experiments with spinning and weaving the corn silk - we must have > l _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 19:38:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ENcFnG008705 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:38:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ENc8cs019887; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:38:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ENbqQU004033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:37:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ENbj2a023307; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:37:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ENbfDe023184 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.39b.6b6841 (4418) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:37:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <39b.6b6841.31718c3a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:37:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? 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Status: RO In a message dated 4/14/2006 3:30:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: Did you ever read a graphic novel called "Motel of the Mysteries," featuring the archaelogical discovery of a 20th-century motel? Rather OT, but required reading for all historians! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 20:36:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F0ar4a010298 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:36:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3F0akQ9009220; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:36:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F0aHC6009424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:36:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F0aFHd061122; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:36:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.csee.siteprotect.com (smtpauth01.csee.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F0aChh061074 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:36:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from genteelarts (unknown [67.77.25.18]) by smtpauth01.csee.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8955132C01D for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:36:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Two questions Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:35:47 -0400 Organization: Genteel Arts Message-ID: <001001c66024$90c13c70$0700a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <624697af09ccc669ddd6df3f9e9ffe7b@ntw.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:36:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4440401E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 5:41 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two questions You can use a hat stretcher like this one: http://www.benderhats.com/hatstretcher.html I would try using just the stretcher first before adding a softener like Lexol. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 1-4, 2007 Speaking of stretching hats, is there any way to stretch out a leather cowboy hat? I left mine in the back of my car on a hot summer day and it shrank. to where it won't fit any more. Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 15 04:55:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F8tMbX028561 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 04:55:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3F8tCkv023963; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 04:55:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F8sH4R048386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:54:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F8sGHY058785; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F8sDOn058758 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5506.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.6]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D191262801 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:54:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000601c6606a$3212ca90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001201c65ff6$dec67760$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic pyramids Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:54:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 04:55:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4440B4F0.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi again, Its a small town in Bosnia where the mountain outside has the shape of a pyramid. They found out they have long cave paths to other pyramids. Now they want to examin those for real. I really dont believe it, because that mountain (wich i saw in the tele) is huge, and it would be the worlds biggest pyramid then. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] off topic pyramids > Hi, > Have you seen the news about they want to find out the mystery of the new > pyramids in Bosnia made 2000 years ago? Pyramids in Europe? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 15 08:46:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FCkSd8022279 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:46:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3FCkK2M011857; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:46:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FCjssi082139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FCjrdj096150; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:45:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F3feXU075989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:41:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3EIUUTD000839 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:30:35 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52543.72.13.239.193.1145039435.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <443FD872.9010701@lavoltapress.com> References: <20060413072038.6D8A646D@resin07.mta.everyone.net> <51947.72.13.239.193.1145034039.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <443FD872.9010701@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:46:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4440EB1C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes. Does it show? :-D I especially liked the ceremonial collar. (See, I knew it had some costume content!) -Carol > Did you ever read a graphic novel called "Motel of the Mysteries," > featuring the archaelogical discovery of a 20th-century motel? > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: >> I'm imagining the reenactor of the future doing light research >> about >> people in the early 21stC wearing corn. They will do extensive >> experiments with spinning and weaving the corn silk - we must have >> l _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 15 08:48:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FCmgwq022323 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:48:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3FCmYpd012602; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:48:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FCmF72082401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:48:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FCmBFv097841; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:48:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FCm83B097720 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:48:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 05:48:02 -0700 Message-ID: <4440EB89.5070708@msn.com> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 05:48:09 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2006 12:48:02.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[D568DB10:01C6608A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dyed fur-history? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:48:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4440EBA3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Have you seen any references to dying fur, not just the leather, in anything from 1100-1600? I've only seen one reference to fur of purple, but I am not sure it was dyed. I figured they dyed leather, hair, and cloth...you'd think someone would have thought of it.... Thanks, Sg I've asked this before (a few years ago) and not gotten any leads, but I know there are new people on the list whose experiences and reading might have come across this. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 15 13:06:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FH6Djh027129 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:06:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3FH65el012830; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:06:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FH4LSD015510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:04:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FH4JNl074145; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:04:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.211]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3FH4FZ8074035 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:04:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 94865 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 17:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Status: RO my (almost) local hat store will stretch hats. liz young (near sacramento) Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I live in the Denver area and haven't come across any such place. Maybe > I'll check a shoe repair shop. > > On Apr 14, 2006, at 4:16 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/14/2006 5:44:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> sylvia@ntw.net writes: >> >> Speaking of stretching hats, is there any way to stretch out a leather >> cowboy hat? >> *********************** >> >> I'm sure you can do that. They stretch gloves and shoes. You need to make >> the leather supple. I'm sure a shoe repair place [that stretches >> shoes] can help >> you with what product will do that. Then you need some kind of form to >> stretch the hat on. Are there no places that blocks hats in your area? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 15 13:33:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FHXqix027656 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:33:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3FHXj1E023434; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:33:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FHWnPa018228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:32:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FHWL2w092914; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:32:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FHVn6i092501 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:31:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ADF502A8; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:31:33 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 15 Apr 2006 13:31:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c660b2$c8a5ebc0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3a5.6a30f0.3171792e@aol.com><3e9d0b25ecf135f7b2cb17a0f702321a@ntw.net> <4441278A.8060601@fenris.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two questions Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:33:58 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:33:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44412E79.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Curious...when we were in Austin, TX. in the '90s, I was amazed to see as many shoe/hat reconditioning/ cleaning establishments as Cleaners! Or so it seemed. I made the assumption that this might be typical of most Western states. Once or twice I have seen discreet signs where one might be buying Stetsons, of a hat cleaning service available... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Young" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two questions > my (almost) local hat store will stretch hats. > > liz young (near sacramento) > > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > > I live in the Denver area and haven't come across any such place. Maybe > > I'll check a shoe repair shop. > > > > On Apr 14, 2006, at 4:16 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > > >> In a message dated 4/14/2006 5:44:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >> sylvia@ntw.net writes: > >> > >> Speaking of stretching hats, is there any way to stretch out a leather > >> cowboy hat? > >> *********************** > >> > >> I'm sure you can do that. They stretch gloves and shoes. You need to make > >> the leather supple. I'm sure a shoe repair place [that stretches > >> shoes] can help > >> you with what product will do that. Then you need some kind of form to > >> stretch the hat on. Are there no places that blocks hats in your area? > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 15 18:39:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FMdmxA002218 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:39:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3FMdfco007971; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:39:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FMbtE4044503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:37:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FMbsSS093877; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:37:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3FMboft093776 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:37:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCEC7M6ALCR4NA for (sender ); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LM2H7ZWY; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:36:04 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:13:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Question Regarding Houndstooth Check Message-ID: <20060415.161346.-146670533.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-8,10-39 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 14:7:7516733 X-MAIL-INFO: 074d09a509441095441090641090ddb5411174ad349d11b9390034a1b9f06079b9050dc14d504dd5cd9081104d64 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn723Ph9LtvGSVTst/sFUQiPERIZ8NhVWoww== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:39:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4441762D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Okay, following on from that information, was houndstooth check used during the 18th century? Karen Seamstrix On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:25:29 -0400 Catherine Olanich Raymond writes: > On Sunday 09 April 2006 11:03 pm, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > If memory serves, I believe that houndstooth twill is in: > > North European Textiles Until AD 1000 by Lise Bender Jorgensen. > Aarhus Univ > > Pr (1992), Hardcover ISBN 8772884169 > > > > I can check for you tomorrow if needed. > > There's a nice picture of houndstooth in Margrethe Hald's "Ancient > Danish > Textiles" also. The picture looks as though the check is in a > contrasting > color (it's a black and white photo), but the text claims that the > effect > comes from using threads of different spin directions instead (a > kind of > shadow check effect, I suppose). > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." > --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 15 22:53:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3G2rIna008939 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:53:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3G2rAeZ003345; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:53:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3G2qoX9074992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 20:52:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3G2qmRu064526; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 20:52:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.mx.voyager.net (mail2.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3G2qjnC064479; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 20:52:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mdcarey@compuserve.com) Received: from u3d3u0 (d185.as0.cntn.oh.core.com [216.196.3.186]) by mail2.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id k3G2qi5B070987; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:52:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "M+D: Mary and Doug Piero Carey" To: h-costume-request@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:53:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4441795C.4977.44D71B25@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200604131226.k3DCPUF3087810@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Arrowhead Reinforcement X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:53:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4441B196.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There are clear diagrams and instructions for arrowheads in these: The New Butterick Dressmaker by Jacques Worth, Butterick Publishing Co. 1927 on pages 204-5 Sewing Made Easy by Mary Lynch & Dorothy Sara Garden City Books 1950, 1952 & 1960 page 247 Almost every sewing book that I've seen pubbed in the 1st half of the 20th century has these. They may be hidden away in some obscure & unlikely spot, but they are usually there. Sometimes in the embroidery section, sometimes in with the pockets (to reinforce the ends of the slit), sometimes in with the weird little things to do with darts. If you can't find good instructions, let me know, & I'll send photocopies. Yours, Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 09:34:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GDYldI005997 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:34:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GDYeLX000789; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:34:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GDY3at044753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:34:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GDY0Bj022750; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:34:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GDXuMC022699 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:33:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.143.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.143] helo=faucet.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FV7Nz-0006iq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:33:56 -0400 Message-ID: <44425542.50705@faucet.net> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:31:30 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:34:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444247F0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Greetings, Would someone in the US who's received their copy of the Tudor Tailor and is willing to share information please contact me offlist? Mine has been "delayed," and I need to check on something... Many thanks, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 13:20:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GHKEBJ012139 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:20:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GHK5tQ021503; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:20:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GHJaRR064988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:19:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GHJX0Z062926; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:19:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GHJVfn062831 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:19:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.323.2378a71 (39329) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:19:22 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:19:22 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:20:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44427CC5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't mean to be a stick in the mud but: All this oooing and ahhhing over this book has me stumped. I find it a mediocre affair. Not awful or anything, but certainly not great. All the info can be had elsewhere without much effort. And, though the men's things look pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They look costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because everything looks like it's hot off the sewing machine. Maybe it's what to me looks like skimpy yardages... especially in the French Farthingale gowns department. Maybe it's the store bought trim on the Henry VIII doublet. I find the patterns basic at best. Very unsophisticated. I could have drafted most of the men's stuff by looking at paintings. And the women's patterns can just about all be found in Janet Arnold [plus some of the men's] or Jean Hunnisette. I think if you can understand such patterns, you are to a point where you don't need instructions to put the things together. And speaking of instructions, they are very uneven. You get complete pictorial directions for fitting men's hose [the best thing in the book....very very helpful!!!] but their instructions for making a ruff are: "Starch ruff using preferred method. Set pleats using curling tongs". Geee...thanks! Ok ok...some praise. Like the men's hose section, the headdress section is very inclusive and helpful for the most part. But, again, I find the Gable hood pictured not convincing at all. It stands away from the head too much and the crossed, striped pieces over the forehead look nothing like paintings. Some other problems...like I mentioned, the French Farthingale gowns look skimpy in the skirts....and on top of that the whole ensembles look unruly. This can be because we modern folk just don't have it down when it comes to pinning and tacking these complicated contraptions together....a daily chore in the period. And the back view of the early Tudor gown on page 110....look at it. The side back pieces are not cut symmetrically. That bold pattern is off by what must be 1/2 an inch or more! To sum up this rant: The book has some very useful info in it, especially concerning men's hose and ladies' head gear. And it's convenient to have it all in one place....men and women. But it's very basic and uneven. Honnisette's book has better instructions for what are practically identical patterns....which if you can understand from this book, you probably don't need instructions. Examples in the book look costume-y and have skimpy yardages and even cutt ing boo-boos. It's well worth having the book. But it's not my favorite by a long shot. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 13:50:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GHo2QM012772 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:50:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GHntV6027472; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:49:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GHlRP8067149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:47:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GHlQqM079567; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:47:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.239]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GHlORV079544 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:47:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i32so336098wra for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:47:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cSarPuwC90b6fWo6Pzkptty8CeRTQcrAlo0Oa5GhCRhWffqpT6mP4UhwVXhNtAxuizxeRxHqTuVxxnbsPxQu7st7lMIeCs7CQ45586pVY+Gl2pnmCJqz6iX/hL3SCiK9KqyYKIT7+TdXkj9EkwKSy3eeU4igBhNe8F61ZjMrv3k= Received: by 10.65.189.13 with SMTP id r13mr255769qbp; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.6 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660604161047p38294aabp23570355c13401b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:47:23 -0500 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review In-Reply-To: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3GHlORV079544 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:49:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444283C3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I agree. ;> The book does however, just cover that area of teaching that I needed it to cover, the "I'm curious and want to look right(er), but I don't really want to learn the skills to make it" personality that I occaisionally run across. I'll use it as a teaching tool.... Mari / Bridgette On 4/16/06, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > I don't mean to be a stick in the mud but: > The book has some very useful info in it, especially concerning men's hose > and ladies' head gear. And it's convenient to have it all in one place....men > and women. > But it's very basic and uneven. Honnisette's book has better instructions > for what are practically identical patterns....which if you can understand from > this book, you probably don't need instructions. > Examples in the book look costume-y and have skimpy yardages and even cutt > ing boo-boos. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 14:08:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GI8fOu013144 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:08:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GI8YfG031729; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:08:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GI8MeK068622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:08:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GI8Kgm091860; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GI8Guh091759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:08:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:18400 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FVBfU-0005xt-LA for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:08:17 -0500 Message-ID: <06f501c66180$b86542f0$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:08:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:08:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44428822.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I haven't received my copy yet--I've been having really bad luck with pre-orders lately!--but I want to make a few comments anyway, particularly on the skimpy yardage issue. I think we have a false idea of how much yardage they did use; this might not be surprising, considering how lush many paintings make dresses look, but if you examine the yardage given in inventories and in the few survivng pattern books, you might find those very skimpy indeed, in terms of the modern yardage used to make the same styles. In other words, I think Ninya et al have research to back up the skimpiness. Speaking of which, there's certainly a lot of evidence to back up mismatched patterns on fabric as well! The headwear, though, based on what I've seen of their work in general, I do have serious reservations about. I fall into the French-hoods-lay-flat-or-at-least-flattER camp, and though I have seen one or two paintings/images of hoods that stand up a bit (like the recent profile portrait of Mary that was discussed here a few weeks back), it's generally like nails on a chalkboard for me to see an otherwise accurate recreation of a style spoiled by a hood that stands up like that, especially when it clearly doesn't in the original. Also, I am bothered by the whatchamacallits, the striped and crossed strips 'padding' on the gable headdresses. I have yet to see a recreation of those that looked RIGHT to me, and it's frustrating, since I don't have any bright ideas for how to make them look right, either, apart from actually stuffing them in some complicated way to make them puffy but not TOO puffy. But I'm still very much looking forward to finally getting the book! And I'm a bit relieved that I'm not the only one who has yet to receive her pre-ordered copy--anyone else not have theirs yet? I just sent a slightly panicky email to Ninya because I couldn't find any record of the order in my Paypal account! -E House PS--I don't have my pre-ordered new Geoff Egan book, either. Talked to Amazon, and it turns out that they basically put the non-preorders ahead of the pre-orders in line, because the pre-orders had been bought at a discounted price. Then they ran out before they got around to filling all the pre-orders. Infuriating! So now my book, pre-ordered sometime around the beginning of Dec 2005, will arrive at the earliest by the middle of May 2006. I don't think I'm going to bother to pre-order anymore. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 14:30:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GIUA6B013504 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:30:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GIU3IY003760; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:30:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GITkU9070388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:29:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GITjXn004997; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:29:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GITfQ3004899 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:29:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2cf.70a693e (39332) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:29:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2cf.70a693e.3173e70d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:29:33 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:30:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44428D2B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/16/2006 2:09:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, formfunc@formfunction.org writes: In other words, I think Ninya et al have research to back up the skimpiness. Speaking of which, there's certainly a lot of evidence to back up mismatched patterns on fabric as well! ***************** I will agree with you wholeheartedly. But, accurate or not...it still looks bad. What about the way it looks? Doesn't that matter to reenactors too? And there's no excuse for a 1/2 inch miss-match unless you're cutting from scraps....and they weren't. [I have been guilty of it too] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 15:08:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJ8ESO014269 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:08:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GJ87UA012294; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:08:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJ6c4f073682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:06:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJ6a7P027621; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJ6Weh027558 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:06:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03974 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:40:21 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:40:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review In-Reply-To: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:08:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44429617.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO OK, now I'm curious. I haven't seen the book, and the descriptions I've seen range so far that it's hard to figure out that they're all talking about the same thing. So. In terms of approach (not subject matter), is this book closer to Janet Arnold, e.g. "here's detailed, strictly documented information on specific existing pieces of clothing, which may or may not be representative, and which may or may not work for you in practice, depending on your understanding of period techniques"? Or is it closer to Sarah Thursfield, e.g. "here's how to make various style of period clothing, based on what I understand of period practice, but with some gaps filled in for purposes of the modern costumer"? Or something else? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 15:26:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJQeSM014527 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:26:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GJQX2E016205; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:26:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJQFvc075034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJQCua039070; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:26:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJQ9gx039048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:26:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:18478 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FVCsx-00030Z-TX for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:26:16 -0500 Message-ID: <071e01c6618b$9d022630$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2cf.70a693e.3173e70d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:26:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:26:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44429A69.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: > But, accurate or not...it still looks bad. What about the way it looks? > Doesn't that matter to reenactors too? > > And there's no excuse for a 1/2 inch miss-match unless you're cutting from > scraps....and they weren't. [I have been guilty of it too] Well, I definitely prefer the fuller look myself! But I want to at least know what the skimpy-but-accurate look actually looks like before I go on to try to get a 9yd+ hem out of 5 yds fabric. =} I also go to great lengths to match patterns on fabric, sigh. I wonder if they got a hunk of fabric like the one I am saving for a special project, where the pattern is off-center on the cloth by two or three inches? If I were to double it over and cut both right and left at once, I'd wind up very off-kilter, unless I remembered to waste that 2 or 3 inches by not folding the cloth exactly in half. I hate matching patterns. Hate. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 15:48:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJmehZ015589 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:48:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GJmXkP021354; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:48:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJm3aZ078004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:48:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJm13U052597; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:48:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from glatton.concentric.com (glatton.concentric.com [207.155.248.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJlwbc052565 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:48:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from julie (66-105-235-11.sd-02.cvx.algx.net [66.105.235.11]) by glatton.concentric.com id PAA27134; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:47:56 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] From: "Julie Tamura" To: Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:47:54 -0700 Message-ID: <002901c6618e$a97d0170$0beb6942@julie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 thread-index: AcZhf8wfYW1sNAlLSemx4b6PIWGSagADRNlA In-Reply-To: <200604161800.k3GI09El087040@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:48:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44429F91.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- **No relations here, but my comments below** All this oooing and ahhhing over this book has me stumped. I find it a mediocre affair. Not awful or anything, but certainly not great. **I find it clear with good diagrams and lots of color pictures** I find the patterns basic at best. Very unsophisticated. I could have drafted most of the men's stuff by looking at paintings. And the women's patterns can just about all be found in Janet Arnold [plus some of the men's] or Jean Hunnisette. **Maybe -you- can draft them, I can't. I own Hunnisette, Arnold, QEWU, Medieval Tailor's Assistant, and several others. I've been looking back and forth among them to finally understand what I want to make and how to go about it. I'm finding the Tudor Tailor much friendlier to a novice costumer.** I think if you can understand such patterns, you are to a point where you don't need instructions to put the things together. **I wish** And speaking of instructions, they are very uneven. You get complete pictorial directions for fitting men's hose [the best thing in the book....very very helpful!!!] but their instructions for making a ruff are: "Starch ruff using preferred method. Set pleats using curling tongs". Geee...thanks! **I have to admit to disappointment with the ruff instructions and I have discussed this with the author. I'm on the Tudor Tailor-specific Yahoo group, which has been also very informative.** Ok ok...some praise. Like the men's hose section, the headdress section is very inclusive and helpful for the most part. But, again, I find the Gable hood pictured not convincing at all. It stands away from the head too much and the crossed, striped pieces over the forehead look nothing like paintings. It's well worth having the book. But it's not my favorite by a long shot. **I'm thrilled with it. I preordered, and wasn't disappointed.** ------------------------------ The book does however, just cover that area of teaching that I needed it to cover, the "I'm curious and want to look right(er), but I don't really want to learn the skills to make it" personality that I occaisionally run across. I'll use it as a teaching tool.... **If we could get our group to look this good we'd be better than most of what I'm seeing out there.** Julie in San Diego (Melanie - I have mine and I'll share info) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 15:58:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJwDUm015758 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:58:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GJw6NH023566; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:58:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJopef078280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:50:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJop7x054497; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:50:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJokUS054462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:50:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (209-148-124-46.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.46]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3GJohEr031797 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:50:45 -0700 Message-ID: <4442A017.8040107@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:50:47 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? References: <20060413072038.6D8A646D@resin07.mta.everyone.net> <51947.72.13.239.193.1145034039.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <443FD872.9010701@lavoltapress.com> <52543.72.13.239.193.1145039435.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <52543.72.13.239.193.1145039435.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:58:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442A1CE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What I liked was the toothbrush earrings. That book is priceless. Fran aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > Yes. Does it show? :-D > > I especially liked the ceremonial collar. (See, I knew it had some > costume content!) > > -Carol > > >>Did you ever read a graphic novel called "Motel of the Mysteries," >>featuring the archaelogical discovery of a 20th-century motel? >> >>Fran >>Lavolta Press >>http://www.lavoltapress.com >> >>aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: >> >>> I'm imagining the reenactor of the future doing light research >>>about >>>people in the early 21stC wearing corn. They will do extensive >>>experiments with spinning and weaving the corn silk - we must have >>>l > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 16:26:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKQRL7016407 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:26:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GKQKcx029975; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:26:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKQ4Gg081701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:26:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKPpK9075899; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:25:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKPkKF075820 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:25:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m129.in-tch.com [216.166.191.129]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3GKGMA17001 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:16:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:32:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:26:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442A86C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I think, closer to Thursfield from your description (although I've not actually heard of Thursfield before?), given what I saw of the book (haven't ordered my copy yet). They were definitely assuming some basic sewing knowledge, so it's not as basic as, say, Winter and Savoy, but it's not the archaeological/historical text that Arnold is, either. I didn't spend more than 5 or 10 minutes looking at my friend's copy, but these are the impressions I got: --At cursory glance, the people and outfits looked pretty good--at least like really good theatrical stuff without the shortcuts --It was particularly nice to see clothing that was not entirely royal/upper class, and of both genders --They covered a good part of Tudor/Elizabethan clothing --It seemed, at cursory glance, to be skimpy in the juicy details. Almost more like a coffee table costuming book than a down-and-dirty-in-the-sewing room how-to book --I will definitely purchase one, but I wouldn't rely on it as my sole source for 16th century English clothing by any means --I don't recall seeing an extensive bibliography or list of sources, but it may have been in there and I just didn't catch it. If not, it would have been nice to see--say, available articles on knitting one's own stockings, or sources for fabrics, etc., as well as primary sources (extant garments, portraiture, etc.) --I also thought "dang, but it's a shame we don't have something like this for earlier time periods. ;o)" --Sue's two pence worth (handily fueled by Dove chocolate eggs and Easter brunch....mmm....lamb...mmmm) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review > > OK, now I'm curious. I haven't seen the book, and the descriptions I've > seen range so far that it's hard to figure out that they're all talking > about the same thing. > > So. In terms of approach (not subject matter), is this book closer to > Janet Arnold, e.g. "here's detailed, strictly documented information on > specific existing pieces of clothing, which may or may not be > representative, and which may or may not work for you in practice, > depending on your understanding of period techniques"? Or is it closer to > Sarah Thursfield, e.g. "here's how to make various style of period > clothing, based on what I understand of period practice, but with some > gaps filled in for purposes of the modern costumer"? Or something else? > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 16:32:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKW9kv016592 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:32:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GKW2Bu031480; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:32:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKVgVK082158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKVdtg079355; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:31:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKVa2B079282 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:31:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2ce.73cc002 (39332) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:31:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2ce.73cc002.31740398@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:31:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:32:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442A9C2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/16/2006 3:48:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jtknits@jtknits.cts.com writes: I think if you can understand such patterns, you are to a point where you don't need instructions to put the things together. **I wish** ******************** I'm sure you are greatly underestimating your abilities! I remember when I was learning in school. I used to think how complicated and overwhelming these strange and elaborate ensembles were. And in a way they certainly are. But, it's just like when a student asked the designer of "Nutcracker" there at the time: 'How do you design this monster?" She said "Well how do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time." It was a great help to me when I started thinking in terms of [what the Brits like to call] "bits". You do each little bit of a costume, then assemble the whole thing out of finished [or almost finished] bits. The sleeve, the bodice, the skirt...all bits you can usually tackle like each was a solo project. [especially in this period] But they aren't solo projects so that's why the design needs to be rendered and worked out before hand. We've all seen the results of not thinking it through. But don't misunderstand my picky criticism of the "The Tudor Tailor". It is a genuinely helpful volume that will be a gold mine to many. It's just a lot of it was old hat to me. All these volumes, Arnold, Hunnisett, and so on compliment each other and I recommend consulting all of them if you can. Everyone works differently and will glean different things from a combination of great and helpful sources. Now...stop knocking your sewing skills and cut that gown out! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 16:53:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKrWjC016963 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:53:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GKrPau004208; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:53:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKr9iv083751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:53:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKr7x9092109; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:53:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKr2DQ092020 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:53:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04730 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:26:50 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:26:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review In-Reply-To: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:53:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442AEC5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sun, 16 Apr 2006, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I think, closer to Thursfield from your description (although I've not > actually heard of Thursfield before?), The Medieval Tailor's Assistant. > --I also thought "dang, but it's a shame we don't have something like this > for earlier time periods. ;o)" That would be Thursfield. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 17:55:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GLttnM018321 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:55:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GLtmi2021661; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:55:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GLs52W088663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:54:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GLs33L029766; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:54:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GLrxRA029691 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:54:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m129.in-tch.com [216.166.191.129]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3GLibA00859 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:44:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <004801c661a1$4baa03a0$81bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:01:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:55:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442BD64.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ahh...thanks. That's one I've heard of, but not seen/purchased. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review > > On Sun, 16 Apr 2006, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > I think, closer to Thursfield from your description (although I've not > > actually heard of Thursfield before?), > > The Medieval Tailor's Assistant. > > > --I also thought "dang, but it's a shame we don't have something like this > > for earlier time periods. ;o)" > > That would be Thursfield. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 18:02:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GM240J018485 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:02:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GM1vKl023330; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:02:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GM1SXi089299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:01:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GM1QOW034485; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:01:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GM1NYb034404 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:01:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:01:18 -0700 Message-ID: <4442BEB8.8020007@msn.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:01:28 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review References: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2006 22:01:18.0594 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A026E20:01C661A1] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:02:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442BED5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO These are interesting comments - I got my copy and am happy with it. I don't think it was meant to be a scholarly book, nor a step by step guide to how to make these articles of clothing. I don't think you can convey all the things you need to make excellent garments in a book. Even Margo's patterns, which have detailed instructions, will not get you a great fitting, beautiful garment. I have all of the books mentioned before, but what it really takes is lots of practice, lots of fiddling, and/or a skilled person to study with to produce excellent garments. What I like about the book is that it is inspiring. It is another example (I am thinking of Drea, and Margo here) of someone starting out where we all do, and then moving to a different level. It is a great example of how hard work can get you, doing for a living, what you love to do and how self publishing really is attainable for the 'average' guy. I don't need the book to help me figure what to do out anymore, but am very happy to have it in my collection as a reference to how other people "do it." Are the gowns absolutely perfect? No, but I can find faults with lots of other reconstructions - even the goddess Arnold's - the question may be, can I do them any better? Further more, Ninya is generous, encouraging, and lacks some of the snoberism I have detected in some other people who have moved "up a notch" in the historical reconstruction world. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 18:51:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMp6Qg019274 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GMoxoh002322; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMol1o093778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMoiUv063970; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:50:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMocC5063901 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:50:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFA1ABF9 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060416151329.03736850@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:17:16 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review In-Reply-To: References: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442CA53.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:40 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote: >Or is it closer to >Sarah Thursfield, e.g. "here's how to make various style of period >clothing, based on what I understand of period practice, but with some >gaps filled in for purposes of the modern costumer"? Hi Robin, It's closer to Sarah Thursfield recreation of a garment based on what we know, and that appears rather extensive on what they know. Not perfect, as some garments cannot be made from extent garments that don't exist (or are hiding really well). But they did do their research, and not just looking at paintings or illuminations, but effigies, letters, and wills as well. Not perfect, but a damn site better than Winter/Savoy for beginners in making up garments that look truer to the period. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 18:51:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMpBZE019275 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GMp4Tx012072; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMolRK093779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMoi8B063971; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:50:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMobsA063892 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:50:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0369ABEA for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060416150932.0367f0a0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:10:43 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review In-Reply-To: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> References: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442CA58.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 01:32 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote: >--I don't recall seeing an extensive bibliography or list of sources, but it >may have been in there and I just didn't catch it. If not, it would have >been nice to see--say, available articles on knitting one's own stockings, >or sources for fabrics, etc., as well as primary sources (extant garments, >portraiture, etc.) There is a very extensive bibliography in the back, several pages that follow along with the noted numbers in the front sections. Even the various redrawn images have notes as to where they originated from. There is even some sources for where to get supplies, both UK and US based. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 18:51:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMpjbO019286 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GMpcP4002293; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMpCdt093837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:51:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMpB47064262; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:51:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMocmg063903 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:50:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6DDABFA for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060416151832.036802a8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:50:34 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review In-Reply-To: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> References: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442CA7A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, It's ok that you have a negative perspective on the book, and I thank you for sharing that as we all needed a critical and honest look. I actually was rather pleased with the book. At 10:19 AM 4/16/2006, you wrote: >> >pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They >look >costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because >everything looks like it's hot off the sewing machine. They look like clothes to me, compared to the many costume-y garments I see at various faires in my area. And reading the book, there is a lot of hand sewing going on in the directions. About the only machine sewing I am reading (and I am by no means done reading) is the side and back seams, the lining is noted as going in by hand. > I find the patterns basic at best. Very unsophisticated. I could have >drafted most of the men's stuff by looking at paintings. To my perspective, all patterns at it's root during this time are basic. Rectangles, form fitting shapes, draped sleeves based again on rectangles. Looking at Bruegel recently I noted a number of rectangles and basic patterns at the root of the peasant's garments. >And the women's patterns >can just about all be found in Janet Arnold [plus some of the men's] or Jean >Hunnisette. Agreed. Which is a good thing to my mind as I would be a bit concerned if her patterns didn't look similar. >I think if you can understand such patterns, you are to a point where you >don't need instructions to put the things together. Perhaps for some of us who have done this for awhile, but I see this as a good book for beginners to learn from as well. >> but their instructions for making a ruff are: "Starch ruff using >preferred method. Set pleats using curling tongs". Geee...thanks! They also include a picture of a woman setting a ruff, which helps more than just words can sometimes do. But that last part was at the end of basic instructions for how to make the ruff to begin with. >>But, again, I find the Gable >hood pictured not convincing at all. It stands away from the head too >much and >the crossed, striped pieces over the forehead look nothing like paintings. That is the gable hood without the "undercap front", which is why it looks odd. I think they did that to show the bound hair crossed over the head, which is one theory of what those striped pieces were supposed to be, covered or just with a ribbon binding. Her directions actually call for striped silk for the hair casings. > Some other problems...like I mentioned, the French Farthingale gowns look >skimpy in the skirts....and on top of that the whole ensembles look >unruly. This > can be because we modern folk just don't have it down when it comes to >pinning and tacking these complicated contraptions together....a daily >chore in >the period. Could be. A friend made up the Hunnisett gown, and it looked just as unruly, and skimpy in some ways. >And the back view of the early Tudor gown on page 110....look at it. The >side back pieces are not cut symmetrically. That bold pattern is off by what >must be 1/2 an inch or more! Wouldn't that be for the seam allowance for the back and side back pieces? Although I understand where that arrangement of pattern pieces comes from, I personally don't understand what they are supposed to do to the garment. > To sum up this rant: >The book has some very useful info in it, especially concerning men's hose >and ladies' head gear. And it's convenient to have it all in one >place....men >and women. Agreed. It also has a lot of background info all in one place, along with the patterns, which is great if you don't have Arnold or Hunnisett in your library already (which Hunnisett's books are getting harder and more expensive to buy, especially if you are new). >But it's very basic and uneven. Honnisette's book has better instructions >for what are practically identical patterns....which if you can understand >from >this book, you probably don't need instructions. While I have had a couple of items that I found confusing, for the most part I have been able to easily follow the directions in the book. The question is, how easy would beginners find the instructions? That I can't answer. >Examples in the book look costume-y and have skimpy yardages and even cutt >ing boo-boos. I don't agree, as at least in my area, if we could create and wear garments to this level, the look of the events would greatly increase. Perhaps it is the perspective of the areas we live and work for. >It's well worth having the book. But it's not my favorite by a long shot. >_______________________________________________ For me, it has become a favorite for many reasons. A big part is the decent price and updated info all in one book. There is a quote from the book that explains the writers' aim with this book. "There is an identifiable hierarchy of activities: replication, reconstruction and re-creation. The first is an attempt to duplicate an extant item exactly; the second involves some justifiable speculation; and the third uses guesswork and imagination. This book is primarily concerned with reconstruction." I think they succeeded in their aim. No, it isn't perfect, but it is a darn site better than most books available to the beginning to intermediate costumer, which either can be overwhelming in the amount of info, too expensive to buy unless you are serious, or feeds you wrong information in the guise of helping you to just get started. I have learned a bit more than I already did, and that is always a good thing. Just my perspective. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 19:22:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GNMfNJ019735 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:22:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GNMY0j009555; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:22:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GNMBMf096646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:22:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GNM92g082686; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:22:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GNM5cB082661 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:22:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m115.in-tch.com [216.166.191.115]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3GNCjA14151 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:12:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000901c661ad$9b3c61e0$73bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> <6.2.1.2.0.20060416150932.0367f0a0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:29:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:22:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442D1BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for pointing that out! I'll be looking forward to seeing it when I get to order my own copy! (Guess that's what I get for not getting to do an in-depth look at the one my friend has, huh? ) --Sue, who sometimes thinks that biblios are the best parts of books ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review > At 01:32 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote: > >--I don't recall seeing an extensive bibliography or list of sources, but it > >may have been in there and I just didn't catch it. If not, it would have > >been nice to see--say, available articles on knitting one's own stockings, > >or sources for fabrics, etc., as well as primary sources (extant garments, > >portraiture, etc.) > > > There is a very extensive bibliography in the back, several pages that > follow along with the noted numbers in the front sections. Even the various > redrawn images have notes as to where they originated from. There is even > some sources for where to get supplies, both UK and US based. > > Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 22:34:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H2Xxee022783 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:34:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3H2XqUF024852; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:33:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H2XYaa014032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:33:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H2XWHk099478; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:33:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H2XQeW099342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:33:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3H4Kl68031332 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:20:47 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:40:00 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604162140.00132.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:33:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442FE90.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sunday 16 April 2006 4:32 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: [snip] > --I don't recall seeing an extensive bibliography or list of sources, but > it may have been in there and I just didn't catch it. The formally named "Bibliography" is short but the authors say that most of their sources are cited in full in the endnotes, of which there are nearly 3 pages, written three columns to a page in very small type. (pages 156-158 inclusive). -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 22:42:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H2gq89022895 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:42:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3H2gj4E027466; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:42:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H2gVMH014682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:42:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H2gSRU005262; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:42:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H2gPvc005183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3H4Tkut031561 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:29:46 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:48:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20060416151832.036802a8@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060416151832.036802a8@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604162148.58912.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:42:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444300A5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sunday 16 April 2006 6:50 pm, Kimiko Small wrote: [snip] > At 10:19 AM 4/16/2006, you [AlbertCat] wrote: > >> > >pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They > >look > >costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because > >everything looks like it's hot off the sewing machine. > > They look like clothes to me, compared to the many costume-y garments I see > at various faires in my area. And reading the book, there is a lot of hand > sewing going on in the directions. About the only machine sewing I am > reading (and I am by no means done reading) is the side and back seams, the > lining is noted as going in by hand. I agree with Kimiko here. The few outfits where I disagree I believe the problem can be attributed to a less than optimal fabric choice. I would like to see more information about how to choose fabrics that are likely to look and behave appropriate in the next edition (assuming there is one!). [snip] > >>But, again, I find the Gable > >hood pictured not convincing at all. It stands away from the head too > >much and > >the crossed, striped pieces over the forehead look nothing like > > paintings. > > That is the gable hood without the "undercap front", which is why it looks > odd. I think they did that to show the bound hair crossed over the head, > which is one theory of what those striped pieces were supposed to be, > covered or just with a ribbon binding. Her directions actually call for > striped silk for the hair casings. The biggest problem I found so far is that the comments in the text on French hoods appear to disagree with directions given in the back for making the French hood. The text says, for example, at page 28 that the foundation of all hoods was a separate linen undercap "which could be washed." The French hood pattern makes a hood with an integral "bag cap" and implies that the "bag cap" part could be used to make a separate "undercap" instead. I'm also wondering what the evidence is for the "separate undercap" interpretation (though it seems rational enough) but it's possible it's included in the endnotes, which are written in teensy print which I haven't yet tried to read. > > Some other problems...like I mentioned, the French Farthingale gowns > > look skimpy in the skirts....and on top of that the whole ensembles look > > unruly. This > > can be because we modern folk just don't have it down when it comes to > >pinning and tacking these complicated contraptions together....a daily > >chore in the period. I agree, but I also suspect it's a fabric choice problem. > No, it isn't perfect, but it is a darn site better than most books > available to the beginning to intermediate costumer, which either can be > overwhelming in the amount of info, too expensive to buy unless you are > serious, or feeds you wrong information in the guise of helping you to just > get started. I have learned a bit more than I already did, and that is > always a good thing. I agree with this opinion also. No one book is, or should be, the be-all and end-all on any area of historic costume. That doesn't mean that some books aren't worthy of praise for trying to support the efforts of those of us interested in reconstructing period costume. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 23:41:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H3fRZS023793 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:41:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3H3fK0D011528; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:41:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H3elBk019167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:40:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H3ekdC040651; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:40:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52203.mail.yahoo.com (web52203.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.126]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3H3eeqs040511 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:40:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 27547 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2006 03:40:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=w6O7yPXCVw8Sc0H/12+CkNj51FsjdTjCPJD8ReJhlIx9FRjGhUVYjay6O9Kp1VksUxeGqtZk1leVTM+Zz5HSV6qbUw1Wm9fYjzOFCGta821qqE1g5NLaBNzEIj+6qcOp18P/gOckRaDO+2CXkEMgNNG4A+9IGleYosobOrEcB1w= ; Message-ID: <20060417034010.27545.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.216.226.32] by web52203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:40:10 EDT Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:40:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <06f501c66180$b86542f0$ab00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:41:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44430E60.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Amazon just keeps giving me a longer estimated date of delivery for Tudor Tailor. After going thru my previous orders with Amazon I found out I had never received a book with estimated time of delivery date May 17 2002 -July 2 2002. This book is still offered on their site?? and now it's cheaper than what I paid 4 yrs. ago. I plan to cancel the order as soon as I get an explanation of why it wasn't shipped sometime in the last 4 yrs.. So far all I've got is past the buck and standard form returns. Now I'm worried about getting this book so I email often. Brin Kendall E House wrote: I haven't received my copy yet--I've been having really bad luck with pre-orders lately!--but I want to make a few comments anyway, particularly on the skimpy yardage issue. I think we have a false idea of how much yardage they did use; this might not be surprising, considering how lush many paintings make dresses look, but if you examine the yardage given in inventories and in the few survivng pattern books, you might find those very skimpy indeed, in terms of the modern yardage used to make the same styles. In other words, I think Ninya et al have research to back up the skimpiness. Speaking of which, there's certainly a lot of evidence to back up mismatched patterns on fabric as well! The headwear, though, based on what I've seen of their work in general, I do have serious reservations about. I fall into the French-hoods-lay-flat-or-at-least-flattER camp, and though I have seen one or two paintings/images of hoods that stand up a bit (like the recent profile portrait of Mary that was discussed here a few weeks back), it's generally like nails on a chalkboard for me to see an otherwise accurate recreation of a style spoiled by a hood that stands up like that, especially when it clearly doesn't in the original. Also, I am bothered by the whatchamacallits, the striped and crossed strips 'padding' on the gable headdresses. I have yet to see a recreation of those that looked RIGHT to me, and it's frustrating, since I don't have any bright ideas for how to make them look right, either, apart from actually stuffing them in some complicated way to make them puffy but not TOO puffy. But I'm still very much looking forward to finally getting the book! And I'm a bit relieved that I'm not the only one who has yet to receive her pre-ordered copy--anyone else not have theirs yet? I just sent a slightly panicky email to Ninya because I couldn't find any record of the order in my Paypal account! -E House PS--I don't have my pre-ordered new Geoff Egan book, either. Talked to Amazon, and it turns out that they basically put the non-preorders ahead of the pre-orders in line, because the pre-orders had been bought at a discounted price. Then they ran out before they got around to filling all the pre-orders. Infuriating! So now my book, pre-ordered sometime around the beginning of Dec 2005, will arrive at the earliest by the middle of May 2006. I don't think I'm going to bother to pre-order anymore. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Enrich your life at Yahoo! Canada Finance --------------------------------- Make Yahoo! Canada your Homepage Yahoo! Canada Homepage _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 03:07:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H77nOH017158 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 03:07:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3H77fDJ000859; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 03:07:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H76kut034810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 01:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H76hdE061084; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 01:06:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H76d5u060994 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 01:06:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:06:33 -0700 Message-ID: <44433E84.3090308@msn.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:06:44 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2006 07:06:33.0643 (UTC) FILETIME=[75B2BFB0:01C661ED] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Unruly Skirts-was Tudor Tailor....a review X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 03:07:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44433EBD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I overlooked this in my original response, and I am not exactly sure which items you mean, but... When researching my late Elizabethan, and trying to make a decieison on how to attach the skirt, I found that there were some gowns which had "highly regulated" pleated attachment, (with the pleats arranged very neatly, and consicely) (*http://tinyurl.com/hcceb)*, and others where the skirt appeared to simply be gathered, or arranged in varying sized pleats (though usually symetrically arranged), with the pinning done almost "free form." (*http://tinyurl.com/hqvss )* This was a surprise to me when I really started looking hard at them. In my mind, the "icon" had been only those with highly regulated pleating. And depending on what you mean by "French Farthingale gowns" for yardage, there are examples of statuary with prettty small skirts (I mean if you compared the diameters of the "circles.") On some, with a woman's arm next to them, their fingers would just reach the end of the skirt top, if they had their elbows right at their sides. There are others, where if you compare the skirt top to the brim of hat, they only appear to be ~ six inches wide or so. As I recall we used 11 yards of fabric for the inner gown (there were a total 44 in the entire ensemble), At least-3 went into the bodice and sleeves, but that was a pretty big dang skirt. *http://tinyurl.com/me7tq* I also had thought the drum farthingale was alway symetrically round. Clearly this is not the case, though there is one gown on her site http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/Siobhan.html (and her book) where the flat side of the farthingale apears to be in back which I have never seen in portraiture....but then it wouldn't surprise me if they did that. They had to get to the flat panier style of the late 1700's some how and it makes sense to me that the transition started by just whacking off the front and backs of the cartwheel farthingales, because they wanted to put their arms down, or be able to sit in a chair with a back on it! Sg AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >Some other problems...like I mentioned, the French Farthingale gowns look >skimpy in the skirts....and on top of that the whole ensembles look unruly. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 08:58:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HCweXG001583 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:58:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HCwXnW005549; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:58:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HCuegs065657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:56:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HCudiY080619; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:56:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H0Zutu026452 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:35:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.31e.2e00e7a (57317) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:35:45 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <31e.2e00e7a.31743ce1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:35:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:58:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444390F9.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/16/2006 6:01:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@msn.com writes: and lacks some of the snoberism I have detected in some other people who have moved "up a notch" in the historical reconstruction world. **************** Now that I can agree with. The book is not unapproachable. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 08:58:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HCwmx1001584 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:58:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HCwfI7003653; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:58:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HCu0Ek065617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:56:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HCtxsG080096; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:55:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H0MiAq018705 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:22:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AFCD0240; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:22:37 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 16 Apr 2006 20:22:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c661b5$62e83dc0$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2cf.70a693e.3173e70d@aol.com> <071e01c6618b$9d022630$ab00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:25:07 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:58:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44439101.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have to add that after examining extant 18th C garments, I am amazed at all the piecing that was used to get the whole costume out of a given fabric yardage.Lots!! Matching patterns, never mind grain, did not seem to be a high priority. Using today's fabric widths often prompts wider skirts or fuller sleeves because our aesthetic consciousness allows for an opulence that may never have been possible in times past. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > But, accurate or not...it still looks bad. What about the way it looks? > > Doesn't that matter to reenactors too? > > > > And there's no excuse for a 1/2 inch miss-match unless you're cutting from > > scraps....and they weren't. [I have been guilty of it too] > > Well, I definitely prefer the fuller look myself! But I want to at least > know what the skimpy-but-accurate look actually looks like before I go on to > try to get a 9yd+ hem out of 5 yds fabric. =} I also go to great lengths to > match patterns on fabric, sigh. I wonder if they got a hunk of fabric like > the one I am saving for a special project, where the pattern is off-center > on the cloth by two or three inches? If I were to double it over and cut > both right and left at once, I'd wind up very off-kilter, unless I > remembered to waste that 2 or 3 inches by not folding the cloth exactly in > half. I hate matching patterns. Hate. > > -E House > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 10:29:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HETGLH004280 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:29:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HET8i8014763; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:29:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HESLfJ074746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:28:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HESILF053798; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HESEdt053731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:28:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:22118 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FVUi9-00040V-EU for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:28:18 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c6622b$28cbf9d0$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060417034010.27545.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:28:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:29:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443A634.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edith Reardon" > So far all I've got is past the buck and standard form returns. Now I'm > worried about getting this book so I email often. >> You might try calling, as someone suggested on here for my problem a while back. The number is 1-800-201-7575, and I got through with no waiting. The person I talked to was helpful, and upgraded my shipping to 2-day mail. Of course I'm still a bit fussed at Amazon for being kind of underhanded, but it was definitely worth calling--they never would have (hopefully) fixed the problem if I hadn't. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 10:29:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HETpku004301 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:29:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HETiWE010831; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:29:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HETKFd074863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:29:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HETHs6054656; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:29:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HETExD054534 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from contessaisabel@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (ool-44c1a9d8.dyn.optonline.net [68.193.169.216]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IXV00JH3EVG0J29@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:28:27 -0400 From: Elizabeth Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-topic: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Thread-index: AcZiKzDjb5XTaM4eEdqUVgAUUQ//cg== User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:29:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443A658.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO "Further more, Ninya is generous, encouraging, and lacks some of the snoberism I have detected in some other people who have moved "up a notch" in the historical reconstruction world." Well said. Elizabeth On 4/16/06 6:01 PM, "WickedFrau" wrote: > These are interesting comments - I got my copy and am happy with it. I > don't think it was meant to be a scholarly book, nor a step by step > guide to how to make these articles of clothing. I don't think you can > convey all the things you need to make excellent garments in a book. > Even Margo's patterns, which have detailed instructions, will not get > you a great fitting, beautiful garment. I have all of the books > mentioned before, but what it really takes is lots of practice, lots of > fiddling, and/or a skilled person to study with to produce excellent > garments. > > What I like about the book is that it is inspiring. It is another > example (I am thinking of Drea, and Margo here) of someone starting out > where we all do, and then moving to a different level. It is a great > example of how hard work can get you, doing for a living, what you love > to do and how self publishing really is attainable for the 'average' guy. > > I don't need the book to help me figure what to do out anymore, but am > very happy to have it in my collection as a reference to how other > people "do it." Are the gowns absolutely perfect? No, but I can find > faults with lots of other reconstructions - even the goddess Arnold's - > the question may be, can I do them any better? > > Further more, Ninya is generous, encouraging, and lacks some of the > snoberism I have detected in some other people who have moved "up a > notch" in the historical reconstruction world. > > Sg > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 12:12:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGClXj007654 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:12:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HGCdTu029129; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:12:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGBYMQ098547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:11:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGBIbh054047; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:11:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGBDhq053851 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:11:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.337.2cccf62 (57293) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:10:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <337.2cccf62.31751810@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:10:56 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:12:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443BE77.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/17/2006 8:57:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: Matching patterns, never mind grain, did not seem to be a high priority. ********************* I disagree. Just look at the 1st gowns in the Kyoto book. And there are period written accounts about the skills of tailors matching fabrics. Of course lots of piecing goes on....especially if the gown is cut from another gown [and I'll bet the original gown matched], but I bet a lot of effort went into disguising piecing and matching things up whenever possible. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 12:31:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGVe00008732 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:31:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HGVWt7004422; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:31:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGUWaA004619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:30:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGUDHC071846; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:30:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGU3RG071669 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:30:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09365 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:30:02 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:30:01 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Thread-Index: AcZiHsHkIdY2nKbAQIC4oEfwhf2NdgAHE8wg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3HGU3RG071669 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:31:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443C2E4.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, the Fashion in Detail digrams in the 17th-18th volume and 19th volume, detail that a lot of piecing was necessary whether a new garment or one remodled or made from an older one. Fabric was very expensive and labor was cheap which is the opposite of today. Every little bit of fabric possible was used when needed and fashions, of course, changed much more slowly than today. I find often that the given yardage in today's patterns is often very generous and I can often cut a garment for a doll or the rare times when I sew for myself(where the fabric will work for a doll too)with enough yardage to spare for said doll. If you are 5'4" or less, you often need less yardage, a rare benefit for us shorties out there! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 12:35:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGZ67I008807 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:35:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HGYxbd005778; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:35:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGX6Hx005627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:33:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGWvVT074831; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGWnVZ074581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:32:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k3HGWip85936 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:32:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 17 Apr 2006 11:32:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:32:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:32:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudor Tailor....a review X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:35:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443C3B3.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO "Further more, Ninya is generous, encouraging, and lacks some of the snoberism I have detected in some other people who have moved "up a notch" in the historical reconstruction world." Well said. Elizabeth =================================== Jane too :). Catherine who is still waiting for her copy too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 12:40:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGeqdI008924 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:40:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HGejmT008233; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:40:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGdr5n008256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:39:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGdMKX080962; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:39:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGdDR3080690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:39:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k3HGd0Q16593 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:39:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 17 Apr 2006 11:39:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:39:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:38:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Help identifying something X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:40:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443C50D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Is anyone familiar with this painting: http://www.joslyn.org/permcol/euro/pages/veronese.html or have access to a larger or more detailed image? I am trying to identify what that is dangling under her left arm. My initial guess is part of a chemise, since she appears to have shrugged off a loose gown and there is no other layer in site. Also, other portraits of Venus around this time tend to have a chemise lying around if she is nude :). Any ideas? Thanks, Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 12:50:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGoACo009406 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:50:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HGo0IF011624; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:50:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGnTUE012394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:49:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGnMdl090620; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:49:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGnDlu090450 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:49:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aoghann@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x37so435467nfc for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:49:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hTnQDlY0XsG9nKiULN7yElDOAxbRXuMcb4JWDvX0JL67XipBOzEwxh6lDhxO6GxsHl/lqcyK0zoT6L0fL9MwRmdExehTgYAz4UjkD+mE+/fvGY8rThlvPFW4WFJD6owbH5xHa6jxouDmiNFftUyBUqwKihIoimts15uNFoCSP40= Received: by 10.49.58.1 with SMTP id l1mr2630504nfk; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.255.3 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:49:12 -0400 From: "Lonnie D. Harvel" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3HGnDlu090450 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:50:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443C738.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Perhaps for some of us who have done this for awhile, but I see this as a > good book for beginners to learn from as well. First, let me say that I am thoroughly enjoying my copy of the book. But, I would never put it in the hands of a beginner. Well, let me be careful, that would be based on what you mean by a beginner. If it is a competent costumer who has not worked in the Tudor period, I would have no problem at all. However, If you are talking about a competent sewer, who has never worked in period costuming (or someone who has never done much sewing at all), then this book would be a problem for them. There are many assumptions about technique and terminology that would completely lose a non-costumer. Things like "grown-in" collars and such. More importantly, there is no clear indication of what patterns go with what instructions and with what pictures of actual clothing. Experienced costumers can sort it out, but beginners would be absolutely lost. For example, there is a picture of a man wearing a jerkin over a doublet and hose that are slashed at the knee. The jerkin has a collar, but the jerkin pattern does not. Also, the jerkin has puffed sleeve caps, which the pattern also lacks. The doublet pattern is a little easier to connect with the image. In both cases, you will need to figure out which instructions apply to what. And so on. The text does not even give hints as to which figure/diagram the instruction applies to. If I was going to hand a doublet/jerkin pattern to a beginner, it would probably be Simplicity 5574. The pattern is identical to what is in the Tudor Tailer (and the Janet Arnold) but with most of the guess work (and therefore some of the fit) taken out. In fact, out of curiosity, I took the doublet I cut from the TT and laid it on top of my copy of 5574 (which was real fun digging out of my boxes, found lots of other neat stuff I had forgotton was in there). Anyway, they lined up almost exactly. Aoghann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 13:00:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HH075U009607 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:00:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HH006c015434; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:00:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGo4DD012650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:56:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CHF0KG040763; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3CHDeIL039509 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 9370 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 17:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.198.202 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 17:13:35 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060412181008.01da1b70@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:13:39 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin In-Reply-To: <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.ne t> References: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:00:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443C990.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 16:08 12/04/2006, you wrote: > > In a message dated 4/12/2006 9:36:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > > > > Many extant corsets use chamois leather, like the leather you can use > > to wash a car with. There is often a small piece, about an inch deep > > inside and out, (sort of crescent shaped) under the arm towards the > > front armscye, to prevent chafing. > > > I've heard about using a wider piece of leather under the arms, >although I haven't seen the originals with it. The extant stays I've >seen have a thin white leather for binding, with a smooth surface. >The chamois that I've seen is yellow, and has a suede-like surface. >I know people like to use chamois because they can find it easily and >it's thin (nicer for hand stitching). But I would like to hear more >about the extant stays that use chamois leather for binding, and also >those with the underarm reinforcement. Where are they? How often do >those features show up in extant stays? > > Or do you mean something different for chamois - is it available >white and with a smooth surface? I have found 5 photos of corsets that show the underarm piece I referred to. (Two are of the same corset.) As they are research photos, I cannot post them on a photo site, but am happy to send a jpeg to anyone who contacts me off list. One is probably chamois, one may be chamois, one appears black in the photo, and one is ? They were mostly taken in museums with poor lighting so the colour is no guide. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 13:30:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHUQWV010470 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:30:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HHUIbu027464; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:30:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHTu2c022752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHTk7j030693; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHTYED030372 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:29:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.60.68512c5f (57293) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:29:16 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <60.68512c5f.31752a6c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:29:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:30:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443D0AA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/17/2006 12:58:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: Oh, darn "Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII" yet another book from the other side of the pond I just have to have! ********************* Is this the period du jour or what! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 13:46:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHkZYR011049 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:46:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HHkSLA001052; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:46:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHk07J025182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:46:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHjlS5046426; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHjgIj046329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3HHjboq024412 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:45:40 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <59220.72.13.239.193.1145295940.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060412181008.01da1b70@127.0.0.1> References: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060412181008.01da1b70@127.0.0.1> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:45:40 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18thC stays crescent, was: kid skin X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:46:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443D474.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I have found 5 photos of corsets that show the underarm piece I > referred to. (Two are of the same corset.) As they are research > photos, I cannot post them on a photo site, but am happy to send a > jpeg to anyone who contacts me off list. > > One is probably chamois, one may be chamois, one appears black in the > photo, and one is ? They were mostly taken in museums with poor > lighting so the colour is no guide. Hi Suzi, We were talking about this underarm crescent on Historic Corsets. Martha mentioned two that used a plush fabirc, one that was quilted linen, and one that was quilted chamois. (Is that right, Martha?) Also I noticed on the Bisonette page the crescent was at the back of the armscey, not center and forward where you would place a sweat sheild. Plus they do not cover the edge of the stays, so it does not offer extra reinforcement to the binding. So what was it for? I wonder if the plush or suede side leather was to hold the gown fabric in that area? Is there ever a bagging of the fabric there? Also, was it perhaps to compensate for a bit of back/arm flab? Were these particular stays large? (Although a small person can have flab, too.) Is there anything else about the stays that would indicate a customization? Alterations for better fit, or were they higher quality stays? -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 13:59:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHxSV5011289 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:59:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HHxKat005771; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:59:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHvxHv027160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHvZmX058707; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:57:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHvOPK058402 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:57:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.27b.7f69f6a (57293) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:57:11 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <27b.7f69f6a.317530f6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:57:10 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor...possitive stuff To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:59:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443D779.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It's me again. Was looking at my book this AM. Just to drive home that I do not hate this book or anything, and having gotten over the disappointments I had about it, I thought I'd point out some [more] things I like, beside those great pictorial instructions for men's hose. Remember the dress with the annoyingly just off, miss-matched back? [pg. 110] Looking at it this morning, I find it one of the most convincing costumes in the book. [Hey...the veil covers the back anyway] The scale and proportions are harmonious and the yardages seem fine. The fabrics are OK [but almost a little too curtain-like....a real problem for designers these days. I once heard a criticism of "Dangerous Liaisons" that "they all looked like they were wearing curtains."]. And one thing I admire is how these girls really get that Henry VIII female silhouette right. Not an easy silhouette either. The man's costume that looks the most real to me is on page 103...the white doublet with the red paned hosen. Very good work [though I don't like that brown lining to the hosen]. Not a fancy garment but again good proportions and it looks livable. Much better than the fancy-schmancy outfit on page 98, with it's sloppy canions and sagging jerkin. Oops! got negative there for a minute. Sorry. Being someone who has worked on period films and in lots of theatres, as well as made things out of the dinning room for community events, I'd definitely keep this book around the shop. If you had experienced people [even moderately so] they could pick this volume up and churn out a very nice garment for that costume they just added at the last minute....right from the book. And even for that gown you have 3 week to do, this book is a good place to start. Most of my complaints have to do with personal taste, and simply changing fabrics, or adding yardage fixes most of those. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 14:21:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HILlxm012066 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:21:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HILdFV014500; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:21:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HILQDY030763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:21:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HILJ0E082699; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:21:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HILCXg082393 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:21:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAC56D2E for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:20:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC5A14783B for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:20:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:20:49 -0600 Received: from wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.72]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:20:48 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:20:47 -0600 Message-ID: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D9645B5A18@wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Portugal clothing in the 15th century Thread-Index: AcZfYCO7E1x4CeagRxa9O9prRsEkQAC5IQ6A From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2006 18:20:48.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6CADDE0:01C6624B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3HILCXg082393 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Portugal clothing in the 15th century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:21:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443DCB3.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is a rather late response, but I would recommend _Hispanic Costume: 1480-1530_ by Ruth M. Anderson. It covers both Spanish and Portuguese fashion, apparently at the time they weren't very different. (And besides the appropriateness of the subject, the book's organization and detail pictures are amazing, _and_ it's in print for $29.00!) One caveat: it does focus on upper class garb; it works a lot with royal inventories as well as the pictorial sources. -s _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 14:24:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HIOQox012133 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:24:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HIOJYl015453; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:24:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HIO2bk031206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:24:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HINno7085056; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3HINhTo084810 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 52036 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2006 18:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.125 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2006 18:23:35 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060417191843.01da5460@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:23:30 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18thC stays crescent, was: kid skin In-Reply-To: <59220.72.13.239.193.1145295940.squirrel@webmail.patriot.ne t> References: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060412181008.01da1b70@127.0.0.1> <59220.72.13.239.193.1145295940.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:24:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443DD53.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 18:45 17/04/2006, you wrote: > > I have found 5 photos of corsets that show the underarm piece I > > referred to. (Two are of the same corset.) As they are research > > photos, I cannot post them on a photo site, but am happy to send a > > jpeg to anyone who contacts me off list. > > > > One is probably chamois, one may be chamois, one appears black in the > > photo, and one is ? They were mostly taken in museums with poor > > lighting so the colour is no guide. > >Hi Suzi, > > We were talking about this underarm crescent on Historic Corsets. >Martha mentioned two that used a plush fabirc, one that was quilted >linen, and one that was quilted chamois. (Is that right, Martha?) >Also I noticed on the Bisonette page the crescent was at the back of >the armscey, not center and forward where you would place a sweat >sheild. Plus they do not cover the edge of the stays, so it does not >offer extra reinforcement to the binding. > > So what was it for? > > I wonder if the plush or suede side leather was to hold the gown >fabric in that area? Is there ever a bagging of the fabric there? > > Also, was it perhaps to compensate for a bit of back/arm flab? Were >these particular stays large? (Although a small person can have >flab, too.) > > Is there anything else about the stays that would indicate a >customization? Alterations for better fit, or were they higher >quality stays? All the corsets that I have photos of, including the one I am wearing, have the crescent in the front armscye, which to my mind would stop any chafing. I don't believe they are sweat shields - that never occurred to me - but to protect against rubbing, and the possibility of whalebone poking through, as the leather type ones are tougher than the linen. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 14:24:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HIOcOL012137 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:24:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HIOVcl008663; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:24:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HINwnB031198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:23:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HINlMQ085030; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HIG2Qj077385 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03280 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:16:00 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir Thread-Index: AcZiRTE6ecjl7r+BS3ettjeWMC6XzgABOqPg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3HIG2Qj077385 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:24:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443DD5F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Is this the period du jour or what! I think so! HBO(which I don't subscribe to) is airing a miniseries about the latter part of the reign of Elizabeth I, starring Helen Mirren, this Saturday Has this been seen in the UK yet? Also novelist Philippa Gregory has a novel coming out in Sept in the UK(The Last Boleyn)about a relative of the Boleyns during the time of Elizabeth I(not Lettice Knollys)whom I'm not sure is based on a real Boleyn descendant or not. This book will be published later in the US as "The Boleyn Legacy" There is always some Tudor book or whatever in the pipeline somewhere and I've bought or read most of them I think! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 15:12:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HJClrZ013737 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:12:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HJCcHQ001000; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:12:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HJC0as037984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:12:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HJBpRW027517; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:11:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HJBkxV027324 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3057A5508 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:11:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4443E8A1.7040807@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:12:33 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help identifying something References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:12:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443E8A6.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Catherine Kinsey wrote: > Is anyone familiar with this painting: > http://www.joslyn.org/permcol/euro/pages/veronese.html > > or have access to a larger or more detailed image? > > I am trying to identify what that is dangling under her left arm. My > initial guess is part of a chemise, since she appears to have shrugged > off a loose gown and there is no other layer in site. Also, other > portraits of Venus around this time tend to have a chemise lying around > if she is nude :). It doesn't seem as if there is enough fabric for a chemise, but the image is so dark it's hard to make out how much might be in the shadow there. I enlarged it and lightened it, and can't quite tell. My guess would be it's a veil and some ribbons attached to her hair, if it's not just some random draping added for artistic value. I want to know what the round thing under her left foot is. She seems to be standing on it. It looks like the ball foot of a chair, but the position she is in makes that impossible... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 16:00:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HK0pq6014575 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:00:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HK0i3k018744; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:00:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HJtJiD044913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HJtCYl063150; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:55:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HJt1nI062878 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:55:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BB3A4AAE for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:23:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4443EB68.10905@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:24:24 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor...possitive stuff References: <27b.7f69f6a.317530f6@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <27b.7f69f6a.317530f6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:00:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443F3EC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > It's me again. > > Was looking at my book this AM. Just to drive home that I do not hate this > book or anything, and having gotten over the disappointments I had about it, I > thought I'd point out some [more] things I like, beside those great pictorial > instructions for men's hose. Thanks for posting your review. You brought up a number of points about the book, and so did the others in the discussion, that it's helped me get a good feel for the content. It's nice to know what we're getting, and not getting, before we spend money. I was hoping for something new, some as-yet unknown secrets of costuming this period, so I think if I had bought it I'd have been disappointed too. I'll probably end up with the book eventually, but now that I know what's really in it, it's farther down my list. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 17:18:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HLIL5N016810 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:18:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HLIEgw010954; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:18:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HLHg4v060610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:17:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HLHTLA039574; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:17:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3HLHJaa039308 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:17:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 406 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2006 21:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.125 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2006 21:10:34 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060417220557.01e19988@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:09:29 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:18:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44440616.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 19:15 17/04/2006, you wrote: > > > Is this the period du jour or what! > > >I think so! HBO(which I don't subscribe to) is airing a miniseries about >the latter part of the reign of Elizabeth I, starring Helen Mirren, this >Saturday Has this been seen in the UK yet? Yes, but my comments are unprintable, as liberties, as usual, were taken with the facts. And I like my historical films about real people, if purporting to be the real thing, to at least look something like the portraits, even if it doesn't matter to other viewers. >Also novelist Philippa Gregory has a novel coming out in Sept in the >UK(The Last Boleyn)about a relative of the Boleyns during the time of >Elizabeth I(not Lettice Knollys)whom I'm not sure is based on a real >Boleyn descendant or not. This book will be published later in the US >as "The Boleyn Legacy" I am reading her book on Elizabeth "The Virgin's Lover". I suppose it's not bad, as a work of fiction, but i am not keen on her view of history. >There is always some Tudor book or whatever in the pipeline somewhere >and I've bought or read most of them I think! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 18:13:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HMD0Rg017939 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:13:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HMCrS1028672; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:12:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HMBMpX071673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:11:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HMBFHc089942; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:11:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HMB8Mn089851 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:11:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17055 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:11:08 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:11:16 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir Thread-Index: AcZiZIzqHzEp/2TgT1qgoYKh0XRo5gABq5wg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3HMB8Mn089851 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:12:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444412E5.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, Suzi, I like my historic novels to stick to the facts when they exist and not ignore them and the characters not to speak and think in today's slang and psycho-babble. While I applaud Gregory and others for taking a new slant on what-might-have-been, they go to far for us historic purists in assigning today's "ripped from the headlines" attitudes and thought processes. But you gotta sell those novels and appeal to as broad an audience as possible to make a living, I suppose. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 4:09 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir At 19:15 17/04/2006, you wrote: > > > Is this the period du jour or what! > > >I think so! HBO(which I don't subscribe to) is airing a miniseries >about the latter part of the reign of Elizabeth I, starring Helen >Mirren, this Saturday Has this been seen in the UK yet? Yes, but my comments are unprintable, as liberties, as usual, were taken with the facts. And I like my historical films about real people, if purporting to be the real thing, to at least look something like the portraits, even if it doesn't matter to other viewers. >Also novelist Philippa Gregory has a novel coming out in Sept in the >UK(The Last Boleyn)about a relative of the Boleyns during the time of >Elizabeth I(not Lettice Knollys)whom I'm not sure is based on a real >Boleyn descendant or not. This book will be published later in the US >as "The Boleyn Legacy" I am reading her book on Elizabeth "The Virgin's Lover". I suppose it's not bad, as a work of fiction, but i am not keen on her view of history. >There is always some Tudor book or whatever in the pipeline somewhere >and I've bought or read most of them I think! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 21:02:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3I12Ltg022113 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:02:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3I12BF7017785; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:02:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3I11rLT094335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:01:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3I11fj6031899; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:01:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3I11b5W031821 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:01:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so665802wra for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:01:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ixNGssWHhhG7c+VrKInpGZZ7rvaLft7TUStx3kUiT4AsOBgYVHIfEYN2MlTtN1QXW9cgTQrb7BZXD12QjeUBTfKEJj5nKOX2Q8dz9f5H6eZr4/eRLv9pKDHyYdHG7s1Xe+TB99kp7XXc9PaOYa0gF36F4MZ6gJO462/1SftwAF8= Received: by 10.54.128.5 with SMTP id a5mr1127950wrd; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.135.15 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:01:33 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3I11b5W031821 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Motel of the Mysteries/ the Nacirema X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:02:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44443A93.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I especially liked the ceremonial collar. (See, I knew it had some > costume content!) > > -Carol Sounds very much like the old "Body Ritual Among the Nacirema" an old 50s article spoofing Anthropology. http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~thompsoc/Body.html --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 22:33:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3I2XJ6d024296 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:33:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3I2XCeg015332; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:33:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3I2WdDJ004587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:32:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3I2WYEJ001648; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:32:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3I2WVEO001517 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:32:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.394.cc0610 (15901) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID94-3e1d44444fb213d; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:32:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7a6547718b60a118de2ef6bd05e17dcc@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Motel of the Mysteries/ the Nacirema Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:32:15 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:33:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44444FE8.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3I2XJ6d024296 Status: RO That was great! I never saw that one. Thanks, Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 17, 2006, at 9:01 PM, Cin wrote: >> I especially liked the ceremonial collar. (See, I knew it had some >> costume content!) >> >> -Carol > Sounds very much like the old "Body Ritual Among the Nacirema" an old > 50s article spoofing Anthropology. > http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~thompsoc/Body.html > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 08:14:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ICExbA002798 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:14:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ICEpmD027411; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:14:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ICEQg2075347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 06:14:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ICEH1E088929; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 06:14:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ICEB53088840 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 06:14:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2ce.767e3a6 (4468) for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:13:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2ce.767e3a6.317631fe@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:13:50 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 337 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:14:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4444D83B.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/16/06 7:01:53 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > And, though the men's things look > pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They > look > costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because > everything looks like it's hot off the sewing machine. Maybe it's what to me > looks > like skimpy yardages... Although I agree that an awful lot of people who buy the book may not have need of the patterns (I myself don't), but I do know of quite a lot of people who have used the patterns to date, who don't have the ability to cut patterns from scratch using only paintings, etc (not everybody has that kind of 'spatial' (for want of a better word) awareness - for them it has been helpful. As to the above statement - this is harsh to say the least - not to mention fairly unfounded. Ninya Mikhaila is one of the best historical costumers in the UK, if not the world (and no, she's not a friend - I have never met her). And having seen several of the costumes 'in the flesh' I can attest that the fabric has not been skimped on (at least not in the outfits I've seen). They may be machine made (I didn't look closely enough to pull the seams apart), but I believe they are, like all of Ninya's clothing, hand finished (if this is incorrect, no doubt someone will put me right). Debbie. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 08:48:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ICmRj5003504 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:48:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ICmK4p008973; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:48:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ICluAW078413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 06:47:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ICltsf012705; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 06:47:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IClmZM012582 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 06:47:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1389.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.111]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7CD319378 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:47:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:47:47 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060418124742.BE7CD319378@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bliaut X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:48:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4444E014.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here the picture of me while I am wearing it at the open air museum. And an other one with my friend. http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/Bliautaf.jpg http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/Benf.jpg Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 10:34:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IEYTdH005475 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:34:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3IEYIR4028502; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:34:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IESWG4089746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:28:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IESFAJ092728; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:28:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IES74M092524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:28:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FVrBB-0002Nd-FW; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:27:45 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:27:45 -0400 Message-ID: <20060418102745.uxcnv6njksc0ck0k@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:27:45 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 337 References: <2ce.767e3a6.317631fe@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2ce.767e3a6.317631fe@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:34:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4444F8EA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > In a message dated 4/16/06 7:01:53 PM GMT Daylight Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > >> And, though the men's things look >> pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They >> look >> costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because >> everything looks like it's hot off the sewing machine. Maybe it's what to me >> looks >> like skimpy yardages... > I don't think I saw this original mesage -- ah well. Anyway, I find it interesting that somebody would think that the clothes are make from "skimpy yardage." I don't know who made the original post or what their experience is, but many of the gowns that I see at SCA events (and I'm only picking on us) or in Dress Diaries on the web -- to my eyes at least -- use way too *much* fabric. If you look at Juan de Alcega (and similar books), you can see how much yardage is generally required for various types of gowns. I saw a mid-16th century Italian Gown once (it *might* have been a Bronzino replication) -- it was a *beautifully* done gown, but it looked like the wearer had on Civil War Hoops underneath, the skirt was so full. Based on what I see -- particularly us as Americans in the SCA -- think that all medieval/renaissance gowns need 10+ yards of fabric, and they don't. just my $0.02 Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 10:52:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IEqiso005803 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:52:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3IEqY9M005761; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:52:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IEkJv9092158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IEk711008410; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:46:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IEjq79008095 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.370.289336b (30737) for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:45:40 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <370.289336b.31765591@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:45:37 EDT Subject: Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Di... 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Status: RO In a message dated 4/18/2006 10:30:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: If you look at Juan de Alcega (and similar books), you can see how much yardage is generally required for various types of gowns. ***************** Well, you get Juan's idea of what yardages should be. And, accurate or not, if it's skimpy, it's skimpy. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 12:12:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IGCNqY007447 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:12:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3IGCDPE012456; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:12:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IG4I7q004683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:04:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IG2pOh080113; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IG271v079373 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:02:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AD7402E8; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:01:56 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 18 Apr 2006 12:01:52 -0400 Message-ID: <001701c66301$c841a420$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2ce.767e3a6.317631fe@aol.com> <20060418102745.uxcnv6njksc0ck0k@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re:h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 337 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:04:31 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:12:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44450FDD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This has been my take on the subject too. Years ago when I first connected with the idea of historical costuming, I tended to use the yardages quoted in novels and inventories in trying to construct, say a mid nineteenth Century gown, which was often 10 yards. It wasn't until I had opportunity to view antique garments and to learn more about fabric production, that I finally put it together that with average widths of 26/28", that the garments in reconstruction would only be 5/6 yards of contemporary widths. This made a huge impression on my research and craft. The CW garments that I have, or have examined, average 4/5 yards around the bottom, which is about 3 1/2 or four panels of 45" fabric. With another yard and a half or two, depending on the sleeve style, one can easily do the project with 5 1/2 or six yards. The same principle applies for some other historical periods. Once the shaping became the'cut 'and not the 'fit'does one need to allow for more yardages...and expect to have a fair 'waste' pile. This idea tells us something about the availability of fabric in any width as well as something about the wealth of the wearer. I think the idea of 'skimpy' reflects perhaps some of the present aesthetic view that revels in the volume of the drape. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re:h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 337 > > > In a message dated 4/16/06 7:01:53 PM GMT Daylight Time, > > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > > >> And, though the men's things look > >> pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They > >> look > >> costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because > >> everything looks like it's hot off the sewing machine. Maybe it's what to me > >> looks > >> like skimpy yardages... > > > > I don't think I saw this original mesage -- ah well. > > Anyway, I find it interesting that somebody would think that the clothes > are make from "skimpy yardage." I don't know who made the original post > or what their experience is, but many of the gowns that I see at SCA > events (and I'm only picking on us) or in Dress Diaries on the web -- > to my eyes at least -- use way too *much* fabric. If you look at Juan > de Alcega (and similar books), you can see how much yardage is > generally required for various types of gowns. I saw a mid-16th > century Italian Gown once (it *might* have been a Bronzino replication) > -- it was a *beautifully* done gown, but it looked like the wearer had > on Civil War Hoops underneath, the skirt was so full. > > Based on what I see -- particularly us as Americans in the SCA -- think > that all medieval/renaissance gowns need 10+ yards of fabric, and they > don't. > > just my $0.02 > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 12:41:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IGflj0007963 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:41:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3IGfclv024552; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:41:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IGea8m011815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:40:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IGeUYj015364; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:40:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IGeQ9x015173 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:40:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.362.2dacc67 (30737) for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:40:06 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <362.2dacc67.31767064@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:40:04 EDT Subject: Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re:h-costume Dig... 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Status: RO In a message dated 4/18/2006 12:10:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: The CW garments that I have, or have examined, average 4/5 yards around the bottom, which is about 3 1/2 or four panels of 45" fabric. ******************* 1830's skirts will have a mere 3 1/2 yard hem sometimes. This looks right if in proportion with the top...huge sleeves and such. It depends on the scale and balance of the whole garment. When I make an 1860s gown, 3, 45" panels are usually plenty for a skirt. But then the hoop underneath has to be the right scale. [interestingly, sometimes an 1840s or 50s gown requires more to look right] Bustle gown regularly suffer from too full a drape or ruffle. There is something more realistic about skimpier ruffles sometimes. I've seen lots of garments [usually on stage] that are too full. It's balance and proportion....of the WHOLE OUTFIT that can make the difference. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 14:52:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IIqakQ010723 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:52:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3IIqSx0015044; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:52:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IIpjJZ033504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:51:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IIpbaZ041253; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:51:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IIpW6U041152 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:51:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f555c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.92]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 18828262828 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:51:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000701c66319$1b92de20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:51:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor tailor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:52:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4445356C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I can understand from the many posts about this new book, that many are making this period. May i ask you, have you considered to make something new from the book? Is it going to be another style, than you normally do? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 14:56:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IIumHI010799 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:56:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3IIue8f016808; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:56:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IIrnrT033858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:53:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IIrmUs043389; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:53:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IIrhPA043320 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:53:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f555c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.92]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DDC226284A for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:53:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003301c66319$6b576660$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:53:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] crescent shaped leather on 18th century stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:56:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44453668.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO One thing i also wonder about this, is why did Diderot not show this in his encyklopedia? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 15:25:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IJPJ61011412 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:25:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3IJPA6u028489; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:25:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IJOLJT038624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:24:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IJOFLB073647; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:24:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IJO9uP073454 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:24:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ACD00328; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:24:00 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.157 ([209.131.80.157] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 18 Apr 2006 15:23:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c6631d$fdb2e940$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <362.2dacc67.31767064@aol.com> Subject: Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost]Re:h-costume Dig... Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:26:26 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:25:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44453D16.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have an antique hoop from family that I use and my skirts re about 3 panels. It fits just right. Proportion says it all! One of the problems I have with the 'new' patterns is that the bodice is usually for a modern fit and is too long for the proportions viewed in Godey's and Peterson's. The two extant whole gowns I own are slightly short waisted for me (re modern fit) but perfect for 19thC wear. In making Plus Size gowns, etc. for customers, it is sometimes a little dicey getting the right proportion for the period. For waisted gowns they usually think their waist is somewhere ...(male or female)below the navel. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost]Re:h-costume Dig... > > In a message dated 4/18/2006 12:10:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: > > The CW garments that I > have, or have examined, average 4/5 yards around the bottom, which is about > 3 1/2 or four panels of 45" fabric. > > > ******************* > 1830's skirts will have a mere 3 1/2 yard hem sometimes. This looks right if > in proportion with the top...huge sleeves and such. > It depends on the scale and balance of the whole garment. > When I make an 1860s gown, 3, 45" panels are usually plenty for a skirt. > But then the hoop underneath has to be the right scale. [interestingly, > sometimes an 1840s or 50s gown requires more to look right] > Bustle gown regularly suffer from too full a drape or ruffle. There is > something more realistic about skimpier ruffles sometimes. > > I've seen lots of garments [usually on stage] that are too full. > > It's balance and proportion....of the WHOLE OUTFIT that can make the > difference. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 17:33:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ILX9W6013897 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:33:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ILX1oo011913; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:33:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ILWATf057676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:32:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ILVuPd095742; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:31:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ILVlAk095583 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25883 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:05:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:05:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Quick lace question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:33:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44455B0D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm out of my period on this one. Can anyone give me a rough date/place for when lace appears -- meaning something that would be recognized by a modern person as "lace"? (I mean the trimming, not lacing cord or points.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 17:54:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ILsraY014319 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:54:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ILsjHC019646; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:54:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ILsMTw060953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:54:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ILsJ5d016109; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:54:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ILsDtL016013 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f555c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.92]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 382C3A50031 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:54:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002001c66332$a378b7b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:54:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:54:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44456025.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Robin, If you look in the archives, i have posted a coupple of times about the first written proof of bobbin lace. Dont remember the year and date for it. It was an italian letter and the lace worked on had 6 pairs of bobbins. Bjarne Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:05 AM Subject: [h-cost] Quick lace question > > I'm out of my period on this one. Can anyone give me a rough date/place > for when lace appears -- meaning something that would be recognized by a > modern person as "lace"? (I mean the trimming, not lacing cord or points.) > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 18:23:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IMNI3p014934 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:23:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3IMNAfH029040; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:23:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IMMud3064914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:22:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IMMjVG041397; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:22:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.225]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IMMUcl041201 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:22:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so902064wra for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:22:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WK/Bj2dRceoRl1oK7qehe5mzsVYhb0X9FcjDi3g1xnae7KWaoOsqt9pAxNDpyfRy/anPGJ06CDxyrep/0FZRay3nDkPkdex1mlc66E0INCHihWphUHZXMlapuK5cX0BMNILKYO6zpv0hFs0ZPwdts1+gddw8ahWTosEQT3+SDYg= Received: by 10.64.179.4 with SMTP id b4mr166592qbf; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.6 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660604181522h75029a45xb383bca87a41ce7a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:22:29 -0500 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3IMMUcl041201 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:23:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444566CE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hey there Robin... There are two main ways to make lace... start with cloth and put holes into it to form the lace (punti tagliati, hedebo work, cut work, embroidered lace) and the other way is to form lace from string by forming a repetitive pattern that becomes the body of the work (bobbin lace, tatting, knitted, knotwork) All can create lace... cloth with a pattern of holes in it. Woven techniques are perhaps the oldest. So can you give a little more information of what you are looking for... I'll dig through the library. Bridgette On 4/18/06, Robin Netherton wrote: > > I'm out of my period on this one. Can anyone give me a rough date/place > for when lace appears -- meaning something that would be recognized by a > modern person as "lace"? (I mean the trimming, not lacing cord or points.) > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 19:51:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3INppLh016559 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:51:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3INphRb022046; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:51:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3INouFZ075966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:50:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3INolgR010722; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:50:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3INohwP010630 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:50:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26795 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:24:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:24:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question In-Reply-To: <72adc2660604181522h75029a45xb383bca87a41ce7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:51:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44457B8F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Marie Stewart wrote: > There are two main ways to make lace... start with cloth and put > holes into it to form the lace (punti tagliati, hedebo work, cut work, > embroidered lace) and the other way is to form lace from string by > forming a repetitive pattern that becomes the body of the work (bobbin > lace, tatting, knitted, knotwork) > > All can create lace... cloth with a pattern of holes in it. Woven > techniques are perhaps the oldest. So can you give a little > more information of what you are looking for... I'll dig through the > library. No library digging needed for this one, I think; I suspect you can give me enough for my purposes off the top of your head! Here's the situation: I'm editing an article that refers to depictions of the Virgin in 14th and 15th century European paintings as showing clothes decorated with such rich ornamentations as "ermine, jewels, and pure gold lace." I'm quite familiar with the paintings of this period, and I've never seen anything in them that could reliably be called "gold lace," so I suspect that the author (not being a costume person) is misapplying a modern term to another type of decoration. She probably just means trim borders or embroidery, but I can't put words into her mouth. In asking her exactly what it is she's trying to call attention to, I need to explain that the wording she's used won't work, because lace (as readers would interpret the term) wasn't used yet. I'd like to be on firm ground when I say that, and it would help if I could say that "what is commonly thought of as lace trim on clothing doesn't appear until X period; I suspect you're describing something else." So, I don't need a specific date for the technique, just a ballpark half-century or quarter-century in which something visibly recognizable as "lace" became commonly used as clothing decoration. I know I see recognizable lace all over Elizabethan art, and I don't see it in 14th century art. But I don't have a sense for when exactly it starts cropping up as a typical feature in depictions of clothing. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 20:22:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0MuJL017154 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:22:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J0Mmfs031090; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:22:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0MOsE079136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:22:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0MLrw033448; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:22:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0MGte033391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:22:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.243] (pool180-131.patriot.net [209.249.180.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3J0MBdd023709 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:22:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:22:08 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:22:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444582D8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >So, I don't need a specific date for the technique, just a ballpark >half-century or quarter-century in which something visibly >recognizable as "lace" became commonly used as clothing decoration. >I know I see recognizable lace all over Elizabethan art, and I don't >see it in 14th century art. But I don't have a sense for when >exactly it starts cropping up as a typical feature in depictions of >clothing. In the 18th century, lace was also a woven tape that could be used around buttonholes and worked into patterns on some military coats. There are also the laces that go through eyelets to fasten things. I know what you mean, though, if the author means something like that, readers will be looking for string & holes. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 20:33:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0X7ve017353 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:33:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J0WxIi001526; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:33:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0QvgR079656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:26:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0Qu4U036376; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:26:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.239]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0QrJU036341 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:26:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i22so805929wra for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Rq0w3xQvLfQVLY5uUrEjt1CHRoqOtsvFfAX3lsy2c4bZaPCDumGbR1BaI3rUt9z6A6XVS4pUpqRkYOmA8q0IU7eOoVIzvwQ406w72giYZJavsCiHVtfXkFDr44vVICVUmElsL1F6upWLxvYZesz0lnO9HFkH7MmizXf+Dmc/jPo= Received: by 10.65.73.11 with SMTP id a11mr3002527qbl; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.6 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660604181726t2b0246e2sb3f94b7e68af1d30@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:26:52 -0500 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <72adc2660604181522h75029a45xb383bca87a41ce7a@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3J0QrJU036341 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:33:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4445853B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > No library digging needed for this one, I think; I suspect you can give me > enough for my purposes off the top of your head! Thanks... wow. > > Here's the situation: I'm editing an article that refers to depictions of > the Virgin in 14th and 15th century European paintings as showing clothes > decorated with such rich ornamentations as "ermine, jewels, and pure gold > lace." I'm quite familiar with the paintings of this period, and I've > never seen anything in them that could reliably be called "gold lace," I agree with you about the "gold lace" probably being a misapplication or a misinterpretation of the term. As far as is known lace evolved in the realm of linen fibers, not in the metalics. Bone lace, or bobbin lace, didn't show up until mid or near the end of the 16th century. And that was the breakthrough that led to metalic threads first being formed into patterns of lace and applied to clothing. The first records of the bone laces all seem to refer to linen fibers, but are soon filled out with laces in gold, silver and copper. Prior to that... there is all types of embroidered work, both in and above the cloth. Passamentiere work can be mistaken for lace in some cases. Now there is plenty of woven metalic edgings and ribbons that could have a pattern that appeared to be lacey. A pattern in the ribbon worked in gold on a ground of the same color as the garment... that's possible, maybe. Hope that's good enough... I don't have my Levy right next to me and I'm working from memory. BTW... an aside and a small rant... If this author is talking about or referring to the Prague exhibit in any way... they might be falling vicitim to some errors I saw in the exhibit information. There was one chausible, lovely thing, all 14th century embroidery, but the card next to it failed to mention that the orphrey (?) had been remounted sometime in the 16th or 17th century. Because there on the chausible all about the edge was a bobbin lace border of gold and silver thread.... so, just FYI. Bridgette so > I suspect that the author (not being a costume person) is misapplying a > modern term to another type of decoration. She probably just means trim > borders or embroidery, but I can't put words into her mouth. In asking her > exactly what it is she's trying to call attention to, I need to explain > that the wording she's used won't work, because lace (as readers would > interpret the term) wasn't used yet. I'd like to be on firm ground when I > say that, and it would help if I could say that "what is commonly thought > of as lace trim on clothing doesn't appear until X period; I suspect > you're describing something else." > > So, I don't need a specific date for the technique, just a ballpark > half-century or quarter-century in which something visibly recognizable as > "lace" became commonly used as clothing decoration. I know I see > recognizable lace all over Elizabethan art, and I don't see it in 14th > century art. But I don't have a sense for when exactly it starts cropping > up as a typical feature in depictions of clothing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 20:57:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0vE6X017974 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:57:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J0v6pu008489; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:57:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0pkv2083029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:51:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0pegY057139; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:51:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0ou2n056337 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:51:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27215 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:24:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:24:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:57:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44458AE2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Carol Kocian wrote: > In the 18th century, lace was also a woven tape that could be > used around buttonholes and worked into patterns on some military > coats. There are also the laces that go through eyelets to fasten > things. > > I know what you mean, though, if the author means something like > that, readers will be looking for string & holes. Yes, this is not meant to be complicated. As I said earlier, she's talking about a decoration (not lacings) and didn't know the right term. In other words: Non-costume person looks at 14th c. art and says, "Oh, see the pretty gold lace." I'm saying, "Whatever you're looking at is not lace, which wasn't invented till XXX. Tell me what you're seeing and I'll help you find the right word." I need "XXX." --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 21:30:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J1UG46018774 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:30:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J1U895017327; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:30:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J1SPRH087679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:28:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J1SOIx087129; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:28:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J1SK00087049 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CEAA5509 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:28:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44459274.2040206@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:29:24 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question References: <44458D53.1070000@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <44458D53.1070000@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:30:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444592A0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dawn wrote: > Robin Netherton wrote: > > >> So, I don't need a specific date for the technique, just a ballpark >> half-century or quarter-century in which something visibly >> recognizable as >> "lace" became commonly used as clothing decoration. I know I see >> recognizable lace all over Elizabethan art, and I don't see it in 14th >> century art. But I don't have a sense for when exactly it starts cropping >> up as a typical feature in depictions of clothing. > > > The documentation I have (an SCA handout with pictures) shows drawn and > cutwork "lace" as early as the 1400's and thread-and-bobbin lace > mentioned in 1493, and a pattern book published in 1524. I would say > "late 15th century" is a safe guess. > > I should clarify my last statement, as late 15th century being a date for the earliest kinds of work we'd recognize today, and give "early 16th century" as a better date for common useage (at least among european nobility). Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 21:51:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J1pRal019436 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:51:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J1pJ4u023638; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:51:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J1oa3W090760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:50:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J1oYkc003058; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:50:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (m02.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3J1oTcY002944 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:50:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCEMF3SASUJ2AA for (sender ); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LNALFS9A; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:49:12 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:46:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help identifying something Message-ID: <20060418.204849.1404.0.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12,15-16 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3844204095 X-MAIL-INFO: 4c002d8d2d8d1df9bd413c4ca5f99991b1fc19e1257819e92db13d7d6578756dd5016de5012dad08a53c1d X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7twZMlPK9oCuyE7MM4Cu+iuhQalWMXsz2w== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m02.lax.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:51:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44459797.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Is anyone familiar with this painting: > http://www.joslyn.org/permcol/euro/pages/veronese.html > or have access to a larger or more detailed image? > > I am trying to identify what that is dangling under her left arm. > My > initial guess is part of a chemise, since she appears to have > shrugged > off a loose gown and there is no other layer in site. Also, other > portraits of Venus around this time tend to have a chemise lying > around > if she is nude :). Do you need this information in a hurry? I can run down to the Joslyn and look at the painting ... but between overtime at work and helping out a friend whose mother just died, it ain't gonna be this week. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 23:07:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J37r3d021921 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:07:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J37jIi011725; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:07:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J37NtS000807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:07:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J37IVu056887; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:07:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J37ETa056846 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:07:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=g9eSzhs38WwfyP1VGf5OuYtfQdmTIgm/scwky+zq/rMv7ZuUbD+prBt+K7DJKFy+; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.125.110.36] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FW329-0006X4-Vz for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:07:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:06:56 -0700 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c646c8d40e9a891f37c44d4508ee23206350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.125.110.36 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:07:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4445A981.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Being the first to have the book handy and a few minutes to type..... the very first sentence of Chapter 1 of THE classic reference, Santina Levey's _Lace: A History_, says: "During the two decades 1560 to 1580, lace became an increasingly important feature of fashionable dress in most European countries, and this development can be traced in contemporary records and in the portraits of the period." She goes on to say that decorative "crimped and goffered EDGES" appear in the _15th_ century, in the same places we would expect to find lace some decades later -- but they are merely a "laundry technique" and not needlework of any kind. In the late 15th and early 16th centuries we can see "decorative edges" that _do_ involve needlework of some kind on the edges of veils, and at the necks and wrists of smocks and shirts. These edges were created with embroidery (oversewing and buttonhole stitch), beads, seed pearls or applied cords. "Many of these edge decorations were carried out in colored silk or metal thread, a fact which has tended to obscure their links with later linen laces." The earliest record of some sort of trimming made with bobbins is 1476, by the ladies of the household of Eleanor d'Este, but it's almost certainly a cord, since the account book says "...cordella facto a piombino...". "There was no moment," she says, "at which any of the above techniques either changed into or were replaced by lace. Gradually, however, during the second quarter of the sixteenth century, changing tastes in trimmings and embroidery resulted in the exaggeration of certain effects: in particular, greater emphasis was placed on decorated seams and edgings.... Needle and bobbin lace began to emerge in response to these demands, but it was a long time before they were seen to have become separated from the older techniques... Indeed, one of the clearest indications of the newness of lace is its lack of a name that is wholly its own." As for possible early dates for metallic lace, "...Although, therefore, fifteenth-century references to 'lace', such as the mantle lace worn by Richard III at his coronation in 1485, really refer to cords and braids, it is possible that some of the later references to 'passementerie' may refer to early bobbin lace....The 'Pasmens of gold' and 'passmeyn riband' worn respectively by Mary I and Edward VI were certainly braids, but the more explicitly described 'Passmeyn lace of bone work of gold' mentioned in the Lord Chamberlain's Accounts for 1553 was bobbin lace." (She gives a footnote for this conclusion, but doesn't justify it further. She goes on to describe a "white silver bone lace" of 1560 and "6 white smocks edged with white needle lace" in 1558-9.) That help? -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 23:35:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J3ZPwh022817 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:35:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J3ZHbK019250; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:35:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J3YwV0003761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:34:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J3YuGq076109; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J3YnCR076006 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:34:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28361 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:08:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:08:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:35:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4445AFF5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Chris Laning wrote: > That help? Yes! Thank you for typing it all in. (Dollars to donuts my author came up with "gold lace" by quoting some art book or museum description, whose author had no clue about any of these techniques.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 00:58:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J4wJnQ025296 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:58:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J4wAHt009455; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:58:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J4vmP6014113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J4vf8L029399; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:57:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J4vanN029338 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:57:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=V/phOIGxbIMb6Mm8KwoFzU61612xqV/wVvHjHZP2fydlUCshMMov/zHgn+CiZR7X; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.3.232.70] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FW4kx-00016h-Vx for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:57:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <06CC08F7-38A1-47C4-8DC1-1D55F92EA3C1@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:57:35 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4789de090ecffd5a97546adc4e6b8cde8f4150883e088895fd9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.232.70 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:58:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4445C363.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:24 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > Here's the situation: I'm editing an article that refers to > depictions of > the Virgin in 14th and 15th century European paintings as showing > clothes > decorated with such rich ornamentations as "ermine, jewels, and > pure gold > lace." I'm quite familiar with the paintings of this period, and I've > never seen anything in them that could reliably be called "gold > lace," so > I suspect that the author (not being a costume person) is > misapplying a > modern term to another type of decoration. She probably just means > trim > borders or embroidery, but I can't put words into her mouth. In > asking her > exactly what it is she's trying to call attention to, I need to > explain > that the wording she's used won't work, because lace (as readers would > interpret the term) wasn't used yet. I'd like to be on firm ground > when I > say that, and it would help if I could say that "what is commonly > thought > of as lace trim on clothing doesn't appear until X period; I suspect > you're describing something else." Something is twigging my memory. There's a number of paintings of the Virgin from roughly that period from eastern Europe that feature veils edged with some sort of decorative edging depicted in gold that I could easily see someone describing as "lace" for want of a better word. The paintings are fairly stylized and it's hard to tell whether the motifs are intended to depict an actual decorative threadwork technique or what. But what it appears to be is an edging made either of gold thread or gold in some other form that stands out from the edge of the veil in open designs, often with little pendant bits. I'm describing this very badly -- I wish I could find an example on the web to point to. My memory is telling me that there are several examples in Sronkova's "Gothic Woman's Fashion", but alas I don't own a copy of that book. But what I'm wondering is whether the author is trying to describe something of this sort and accidentally evoking a later style of "lace". Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 01:07:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J57vSp025581 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:07:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J57nRG012077; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:07:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J57WVO015191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:07:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J57WDI035586; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:07:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J57S39035548 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:07:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB56349E5 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060418214910.03753978@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:51:46 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small In-Reply-To: <000701c6631d$fdb2e940$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <362.2dacc67.31767064@aol.com> <000701c6631d$fdb2e940$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Victorian proportions for plus sizes (was yardage required) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:07:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4445C5A5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:26 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >In making Plus Size gowns, > etc. for customers, it is sometimes a little dicey getting the right >proportion for the period. Hi Kathleen, As a plus sized woman who later this summer will, I promise, *will* make a Victorian outfit for our County Sesquicentennial (I think I have that right... 150 year anniversary), any suggestions or tips on getting that right proportion? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 01:13:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J5DPHx025707 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:13:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J5DHNY013571; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:13:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J5Cgxb015912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:12:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J5CevM038766; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:12:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J5CaaS038728 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:12:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28938 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:46:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:46:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question In-Reply-To: <06CC08F7-38A1-47C4-8DC1-1D55F92EA3C1@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:13:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4445C6ED.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > But what I'm wondering is whether the author is trying to describe > something of this sort and accidentally evoking a later style of "lace". Since she's describing clothes and not veils, probably not. Fortunately I don't have to guess; I'll ask her what she's looking at and help her find the right word, once I've explained why "lace" won't do. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 01:29:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J5TSjW026302 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:29:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J5TKDC017535; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:29:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J5T2Qf017921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:29:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J5T1uU048783; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:29:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J5SuBD048686 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:28:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.318.34d4581 (16112) for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID124-3ef04445ca9033e; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:28:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060418214910.03753978@64.87.54.245> References: <362.2dacc67.31767064@aol.com> <000701c6631d$fdb2e940$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> <6.2.1.2.0.20060418214910.03753978@64.87.54.245> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian proportions for plus sizes (was yardage required) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:28:45 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:29:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4445CAB0.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3J5TSjW026302 Status: RO Me, too! Plus size and only 5' 2" tall. I can use all the help I can get. Thanks. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:51 AM, Kimiko Small wrote: > At 12:26 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >> In making Plus Size gowns, >> etc. for customers, it is sometimes a little dicey getting the right >> proportion for the period. > > > Hi Kathleen, > > As a plus sized woman who later this summer will, I promise, *will* > make a Victorian outfit for our County Sesquicentennial (I think I > have that right... 150 year anniversary), any suggestions or tips on > getting that right proportion? > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 08:14:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JCEVxt008945 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:14:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3JCEMYf031176; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:14:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JCDsRU075570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:13:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JCDow6091403; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:13:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0uWDL062241 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:56:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27267 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:30:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:30:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question In-Reply-To: <72adc2660604181726t2b0246e2sb3f94b7e68af1d30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:14:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4446299E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Marie Stewart wrote: > I agree with you about the "gold lace" probably being a misapplication > or a misinterpretation of the term. As far as is known lace evolved > in the realm of linen fibers, not in the metalics. Bone lace, or > bobbin lace, didn't show up until mid or near the end of the 16th > century. And that was the breakthrough that led to metalic threads > first being formed into patterns of lace and applied to clothing. > The first records of the bone laces all seem to refer to linen fibers, > but are soon filled out with laces in gold, silver and copper. And we have a winner! I don't need to precisely identify the specific thing she's looking at -- she's talking about a category of paintings, not a certain one. I just needed to be able to say why I know for sure it is not "lace." And that is because lace (as she would understand it) wasn't made till the mid-to-late 16th c. Now I can figure out, with her, whether she means "embroidery" or "borders" or "goldwork" or some other general category. Thanks for the verification, and thanks to Bjarne, too, who was the first one to step up with an answer. > BTW... an aside and a small rant... If this author is talking about or > referring to the Prague exhibit in any way... they might be falling > vicitim to some errors I saw in the exhibit information. There was > one chausible, lovely thing, all 14th century embroidery, but the card > next to it failed to mention that the orphrey (?) had been remounted > sometime in the 16th or 17th century. Because there on the chausible > all about the edge was a bobbin lace border of gold and silver > thread.... so, just FYI. Nope. Not artifacts at all in this case. European paintings. But yeah ... about the museum card, gah. Too often the people who write those generally are not the specialists who can tell you the details. So, I hope this served as the entertainment for the day... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 15:08:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJ8f3E000652 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:08:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3JJ8XMA014222; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:08:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJ7jSu039155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:07:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJ6eWO057695; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (mxo1.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJ6Msa057294 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:06:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E24B38A8EE for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200604191808.k3JI7xsN001326@net.indra.com> References: <200604191808.k3JI7xsN001326@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:06:05 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Subject: Re: [h-cost] proportions for plus sizes (was yardage required) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-SpamScore: sss X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:08:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44468AB1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO HI So in the 15th, 16th, 17th century, how did the tailors handle larger sizes? Did the skirts get wider? Or did they keep the same bottom edge circumference from size to size? (I know this is phased badly, hopefully the meaning struggles thru!) Thanks Carol--befuddled sorta by the later period fashions... -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 15:13:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJDDqG000942 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:13:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3JJD5NO016134; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:13:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJCr8X039813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:12:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJCmbf063453; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJCWnh063246 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:12:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.39c.ea073d (32915) for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:12:24 -0400 (EDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <39c.ea073d.3177e598@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:12:24 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "lace" (Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 344) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:13:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44468BC1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There's a number of paintings of the Virgin from roughly that period from eastern Europe that feature veils edged with some sort of decorative edging depicted in gold that I could easily see someone describing as "lace" for want of a better word. The paintings are fairly stylized and it's hard to tell whether the motifs are intended to depict an actual decorative threadwork technique or what. But what it appears to be is an edging made either of gold thread or gold in some other form that stands out from the edge of the veil in open designs, often with little pendant bits. This could be needlelace, comparable to what we know today as "oya". An aside: it would appear that the invention of bobbin lace in the 1500s caused the final demise of brocaded tablet weaving as a grament trim. Nancy Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) "But if by 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by 'Liberal', then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 15:37:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJbarV001982 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:37:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3JJbS4T026775; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:37:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJbHw6043503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:37:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJb7Cc085577; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:37:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.238]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJaf2G085108 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:36:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so1117155wra for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:36:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ajzNv6fjORIESOw2O9IEZaVZsT7Hoyg9kNr9wAtEmhOUv5jjBWfWtdc2JncuvDd0TabmO1SAweauePII2EtqSer+sgTHRduzSEPlzpUJb4m+CBmT3C+3y0lP88G1YYm47fcGB8/7tlurewtsdMVOsDMAMzP8NVRP+atGGuqq+mc= Received: by 10.54.125.17 with SMTP id x17mr1217296wrc; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.135.15 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:36:40 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3JJaf2G085108 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Tudor tailor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:37:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44469178.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I can understand from the many posts about this new book, that many are >making this period. >May i ask you, have you considered to make something new from the book? >Is it going to be another style, than you normally do? >Bjarne I got the book as a gift, partly because I've already made several gowns in the "Holbein" and drum farthingale styles. I've also done a few doublets, trunkhose, venetian & hats. Like everyone else, I have a few comments on the book, ifi you'll allow me. It's a good book that I'd loan or recommend to any intermediate sewer. It's light on clear date ranges for specific garments & styles. Of the recreations, some are better than others. In many cases it's the lack of surface decoration that makes the resulting garment look theatrical. However, the clean surfaces make it clearer how the pattern shapes become the finished garment. There are few compare & contrast illustrations. I found the orange (tawney p. 130) drum farthingale recreation to be completely evocative of the Mary Fitch and Eleanor Herbert (Lady Powis) portraits. To show the source picture & the recreation would really have enhanced the book. On the other hand, the extant hose & finished recreation serve admirably to validate Ms Mikhaila's methods. >From the name, I was expecting Tudor tailoring techniques, of which very little is presented. There is plenty on structure, pad stitching, interlinings, etc, but it's all modern techniques. (see the machine stitched linen buckram in the bodice on p.65) One enjoyable feature of the book is the recreated accessories. I'm particularly fond of the repro busks. The Square rigged ship brooch (p.98) is delish! Tudor Tailor is among the new group of costume books that like to show patterns, research material, original garments and/or garments from the patterns. (Hurray for that! ) It's not quite up to the high standards of "Costume Close-Up" (Baumgarten) with it's patterns and tailoring techniques, and inside views of original garments from the Williamsburg garment collection. Neither does it stoop to the "trust me" croquis & psuedo-pattern layouts of so many like "Medieval Tailor's Assistant", "Evolution of Fashion". Tudor Tailor is, for intermediate sewers, tailors & cutters a much better buy than any of the patterns out there. If you can work from Linda Baumgarten's, Blanche Payne's or Norah Waugh's books, this one will suit your style. For advanced 16th tailors & cutters who can glance at a painting or Patterns of Fashion and "rock of eye" start patterning, dont bother with this book. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 15:54:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJs0Uo002843 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:54:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3JJrqHx001945; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:53:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJrcYZ046341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:53:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJrYJa099877; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJrRYS099665 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:53:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A52B0340; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:53:15 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 19 Apr 2006 15:53:12 -0400 Message-ID: <007d01c663eb$44519720$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:55:52 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fw: Colonial Gentlemen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:53:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44469550.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Heads up for you folk in Virginia. The following 'shoot' will be in your neck of the woods and mayhap some of you might like to respond to Mary, at Paladin. I assisted this group in February, and they were great folk to work with. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: Colonial Gentlemen Hi,Kathleen, Thanks very much for your help on this. We are having a very difficult time casting these roles, so any assistance you could provide would be fantastic. Here are the specs for what we need. You can just cut and paste this into an email. Thanks again to you and all of your contacts who help us spread the word! Mary Paladin Communications, producer of "When the Forest Ran Red" and "George Washington's First War," is seeking gentlemen who could portray burgesses/congressmen in "Gentleman Warrior: George Washington," a new feature documentary. "Gentleman Warrior" explores the hidden side of Washington--the inner conflicts of the man who would forge a nation. Here we see his military and political career, and also the personal story of his involvement with Sally Fairfax and Martha Custis. And as a nation, we begin to understand his growth of character from a hot-headed youth to a man capable of winning a revolution. Paladin will present for the first time on screen the real George Washington--not an icon, not the perfect American, but a flesh-and-blood human being who became the greatest hero of all. We are seeking gentleman who: 1. Have their own appropriate 18th century wardrobe. 2. Are available to be on location at the College of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia on May 23 or 24 (one or both days). Other information about the portrayals: * These are non-speaking roles. * Compensation is, at minimum, $100. * Lunch will be provided. * You can find more information on Paladin Communications and the production at http://www.paladincom.com/gentlemanwarrior.shtml * Contact Mary Matzen at mmatzen@paladincom.com or 866-831-4840. Thank you for your interest in being part of this ground-breaking documentary! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 06:43:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KAhcaa001287 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:43:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KAhTir010875; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:43:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KAh3Ax039934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:43:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KAgx1M042318; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:42:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay02.mail-hub.dodo.com.au (relay02.mail-hub.dodo.com.au [202.136.32.45]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KAgsmZ042279 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:42:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@dodo.com.au) Received: from [61.68.232.164] (helo=GILGAMESH) by relay02.mail-hub.dodo.com.au with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FWWce-0003bH-M9 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:42:53 +1000 Message-ID: <002f01c66467$2d22c3e0$6feb443d@GILGAMESH> From: "Purple Elephant" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:12:17 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mouldy linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:43:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444765D2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3KAhcaa001287 Status: RO Hi all, I wore my favourite lower class chemise for cooking a feast a few weeks ago and flung it in the laundry basket. Since the weather's been rather rainy here lately it stayed there a while, and it must have had something wet up against it. Anyway, the other day I took it out and put it in the wash and didn't notice until I hung it out that it was mouldy - it has big patches of black red and yellow speckles all over the back. Obviously washing hasn't done anything. Any suggestions for getting rid of the mould, or am I just going to have to make a new chemise? The chemise is actually a linen-cotton blend, a fairly sturdy fabric. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 06:46:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KAkSbb002080 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:46:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KAkKdk011694; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:46:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KAjjkA040043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KAjjPK043922; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KAjf6p043810 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:45:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3a7.fdb870 (4402) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:45:32 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3a7.fdb870.3178c04c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:45:32 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:46:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4447667C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:44:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, angharad@dodo.com.au writes: Any suggestions for getting rid of the mould, or am I just going to have to make a new chemise? Chlorine bleach is effective against most mold. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 08:31:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KCUuj5006719 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:31:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KCUl5B011933; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:30:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KCTw9b063287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:29:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KCTq3L008851; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:29:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KCTlcJ008732 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:29:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.359.318a57d (58550) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:29:40 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <359.318a57d.3178d8b4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:29:40 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:30:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44477EF8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:46:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: Chlorine bleach is effective against most mold. Yes. Maybe boil it on the stove. Or try color/ stain remover from a dye company like Ritt or Tintex. Those you don't actually boil, but simmer on the stove. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 09:56:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KDuN6F009378 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:56:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KDuEDP016799; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:56:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KDtMJ0075179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KDtBot072734; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:55:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3KDt7N1072658 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 20670 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 14:00:24 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:00:24 -0700 Received: from 67.174.246.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1187.67.174.246.110.1145541328.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <359.318a57d.3178d8b4@aol.com> References: <359.318a57d.3178d8b4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:56:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444792FE.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:46:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > > Chlorine bleach is effective against most mold. But be careful because bleach eats the fibres and weakens them which can cause holes later in its life. Don't leave it on your chemise for any longer than you have to. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 10:15:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KEFCrv009992 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:15:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KEF42w024968; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:15:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KEESrD077380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:14:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KEEOTK088644; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:14:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KEEGRc088437 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:14:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.5]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IY0004T3Y6MO9D1@mta01.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:13:34 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-137-68-3.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([24.137.68.3]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:14:01 -0300 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:13:58 -0300 From: SPaterson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen To: Historical Costume Message-id: <001401c66484$aadf7630$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <359.318a57d.3178d8b4@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:15:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44479768.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I tend to agree with trying other methods than bleach - do you have access to a bar of plain lye soap? I once got charcoal from a wash puddle on my wool petticoat with crewel work around the hem. I thought it was a goner but I spot washed it with some home-made lye soap and it was out - mold colourations are tough to remove, tho if you must use bleach try spot cleaning vs soaking the whole garment - in other words, see if it will budge the mold before you soak the whole thing as it can weaken the fibres. Sarah Paterson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen > > In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:46:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > > Chlorine bleach is effective against most mold. > > > > Yes. > > Maybe boil it on the stove. Or try color/ stain remover from a dye company > like Ritt or Tintex. Those you don't actually boil, but simmer on the > stove. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 10:35:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KEZ4qm010644 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:35:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KEYuWR001323; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:34:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KEXEJg079753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:33:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KEXAZX004667; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:33:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KEX4G9004593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:33:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWaB8-0001nJ-1O for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:30:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:30:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Cat Dancer X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen In-Reply-To: <1187.67.174.246.110.1145541328.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Message-ID: References: <359.318a57d.3178d8b4@aol.com> <1187.67.174.246.110.1145541328.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:34:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44479C10.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > >> >> In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:46:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> AnnBWass@aol.com writes: >> >> Chlorine bleach is effective against most mold. > > But be careful because bleach eats the fibres and weakens them which can > cause holes later in its life. Don't leave it on your chemise for any > longer than you have to. > > Diana You can get stuff to neutralize the chlorine at pet stores that sell fish supplies--I think I read about it here at some point. I wish I'd known about it earlier, though. Margaret/Pixel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 11:16:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KFGTgR011871 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:16:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KFGLtx019697; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:16:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KFFsBt085986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:15:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KFFjXG042062; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:15:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f18.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KFFc9C041889 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:15:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:15:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:15:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <002f01c66467$2d22c3e0$6feb443d@GILGAMESH> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mouldy linen Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:15:30 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2006 15:15:33.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[449C2D10:01C6648D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:16:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4447A5C5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If it's a lower class chemise, why not cut out the mouldy bits and patch them. Adds character! Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: "Purple Elephant" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: [h-cost] Mouldy linen >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:12:17 +0930 > >Hi all, > I wore my favourite lower class chemise for cooking a feast a few >weeks ago and flung it in the laundry basket. Since the weather's been >rather rainy here lately it stayed there a while, and it must have had >something wet up against it. Anyway, the other day I took it out and >put it in the wash and didn't notice until I hung it out that it was mouldy > - it has big patches of black red and yellow speckles all over the >back. > >Obviously washing hasn't done anything. Any suggestions for >getting rid of the mould, or am I just going to have to make a new chemise? >The chemise is actually a linen-cotton blend, a fairly sturdy fabric. > >Claire >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 12:02:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KG24n8013275 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:02:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KG1uKZ006990; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:01:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KG1But093295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KG04M8081815; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:01:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KFwGer080213 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:59:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA19AA5509 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:58:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4447AF9E.1000209@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:58:22 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen References: <359.318a57d.3178d8b4@aol.com> <1187.67.174.246.110.1145541328.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1187.67.174.246.110.1145541328.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:01:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4447B074.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Diana Habra wrote: >>In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:46:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>AnnBWass@aol.com writes: >> >>Chlorine bleach is effective against most mold. > > > But be careful because bleach eats the fibres and weakens them which can > cause holes later in its life. Don't leave it on your chemise for any > longer than you have to. Hydrogen peroxide also has bleaching properties and is much more mild than straight bleach. Dab some on the spots and leave it in the sun. 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Status: RO Did this book ever get printed? Our library had it listed as "on order" and now I don't see it anywhere. Thanks, --Charlene -- The price one pays for pursuing any profession or calling is an intimate knowledge of its ugly side. -- James Baldwin, US author (1924-1987) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Status: RO <--- angharad@dodo.com.au wrote: < Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KI4nfL019067 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:04:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KI4fga023746; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:04:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KHvTdT014051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:04:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KGivaJ023569; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:44:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KGijLQ023316 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:44:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from guenievre@erminespot.com) Received: from JS (nsc69.38.51-209.newsouth.net [69.38.51.209]) by randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D23EE671 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:44:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Guenievre de Monmarche" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Plucked, Shaved and Braided Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:43:42 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01c66499$95e0a820$8101a8c0@tereckoffice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZkmOLUv17p5EY9QAaapqii348zlwAAJgHw In-Reply-To: <4447B348.4000505@earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3KGijLQ023316 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:04:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4447CD39.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The publisher went out of business; I don't believe any other publisher picked up the book. I'd love to hear otherwise... Gueničvre > Did this book ever get printed? Our library had it listed as "on order" > and now I don't see it anywhere. > > Thanks, > --Charlene _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 14:44:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KIi26S021310 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:44:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KIhsL6010784; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:43:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KIhX2V021090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:43:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KIhQ4a033604; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:43:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from linda-5.paradise.net.nz (bm-5a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KIhHMt033429 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:43:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-5.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IY100596AO3BQ@linda-5.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:43:15 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (210-246-24-179.paradise.net.nz [210.246.24.179]) by smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF200721596 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:43:14 +1200 (NZST) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:43:14 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4447D642.9070509@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:43:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4447D66A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kelly Grant wrote: > If it's a lower class chemise, why not cut out the mouldy bits and > patch them. Adds character! Because it's garment abuse. Patches are what you apply when something _wears_ through. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 16:13:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KKDOHu026199 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:13:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KKDEgJ017379; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:13:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KKCejq033772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:12:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KKCUBf014195; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:12:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KKCNa9013937 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:12:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.323.29e0f30 (3699) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:11:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <323.29e0f30.3179450c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:11:56 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:13:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4447EB5A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 2:44:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ladyadele@paradise.net.nz writes: Because it's garment abuse. Patches are what you apply when something _wears_ through. ***************** You'd go ape in theatre or film where costumes just made are regularly "distressed " [theatre term] or "teched" [film term]. I can't tell you how many brand new garments I've taken cheese graters and palm sanders to! Not to mention the painting and spatter dying. I remember for a Brecht play we had this real WWI uniform that looked brand new. We needed to make it look like it had been through the trenches for a long time. It wouldn't distress! It was the toughest thing I've ever had to mess with. Well, it was made to go through a real war, after all. Stabbing it with scissors and scraping it with razor blades and a generous amount of paint finally did the trick. I love distressing. I always volunteer to do it. It's like make-up for clothes. You can tell a story with teching. What has she had to walk through? What weather has he had to endure? What kind of work have they been doing? And of course [especially in film] there's the progression....like in a chase film where no one looks like they change clothes, but in reality there are like 4 or 5 duplicate outfits each a little more teched according to whatever is happening in the script. This all has to be worked out beforehand, since things are rarely filmed in order. And it's not always to make things look old or abused. Sometimes it has to be subtle...just enough so that things don't look brand new...just worn a couple of times. Rarely does anything go on without some kind of teching. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 17:32:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLWAxI029476 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:32:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KLVvLP013041; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:32:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLUJVR043836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:30:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLU8SA080362; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:30:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLTtPY080217 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:30:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AC21F740258; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:24:49 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mouldy linen Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:30:18 -0700 Message-ID: <003301c664c1$9f1706f0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <323.29e0f30.3179450c@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3KLTtPY080217 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:32:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4447FDCD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sounds fun! How do I get into that? Sharon, who started out as a theatre techie -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:12 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen In a message dated 4/20/2006 2:44:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ladyadele@paradise.net.nz writes: Because it's garment abuse. Patches are what you apply when something _wears_ through. ***************** You'd go ape in theatre or film where costumes just made are regularly "distressed " [theatre term] or "teched" [film term]. I can't tell you how many brand new garments I've taken cheese graters and palm sanders to! Not to mention the painting and spatter dying. I remember for a Brecht play we had this real WWI uniform that looked brand new. We needed to make it look like it had been through the trenches for a long time. It wouldn't distress! It was the toughest thing I've ever had to mess with. Well, it was made to go through a real war, after all. Stabbing it with scissors and scraping it with razor blades and a generous amount of paint finally did the trick. I love distressing. I always volunteer to do it. It's like make-up for clothes. You can tell a story with teching. What has she had to walk through? What weather has he had to endure? What kind of work have they been doing? And of course [especially in film] there's the progression....like in a chase film where no one looks like they change clothes, but in reality there are like 4 or 5 duplicate outfits each a little more teched according to whatever is happening in the script. This all has to be worked out beforehand, since things are rarely filmed in order. And it's not always to make things look old or abused. Sometimes it has to be subtle...just enough so that things don't look brand new...just worn a couple of times. Rarely does anything go on without some kind of teching. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 17:33:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLXUl9029517 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:33:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KLXLFg029031; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:33:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLWmON044200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:32:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLWbJv082506; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:32:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLWJ30082254 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:32:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AC9FF840258; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:26:55 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mouldy linen Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:32:25 -0700 Message-ID: <003401c664c1$ea8e7c30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <002f01c66467$2d22c3e0$6feb443d@GILGAMESH> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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I've had some luck getting rid of rust stains with that. Also, putting it out in the sun with the lemon and salt might help. Or just lemon and sun. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Purple Elephant Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:42 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Mouldy linen Hi all, I wore my favourite lower class chemise for cooking a feast a few weeks ago and flung it in the laundry basket. Since the weather's been rather rainy here lately it stayed there a while, and it must have had something wet up against it. Anyway, the other day I took it out and put it in the wash and didn't notice until I hung it out that it was mouldy - it has big patches of black red and yellow speckles all over the back. Obviously washing hasn't done anything. Any suggestions for getting rid of the mould, or am I just going to have to make a new chemise? The chemise is actually a linen-cotton blend, a fairly sturdy fabric. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 17:42:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLg9vb030103 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:42:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KLg1tK016232; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:42:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLfbFC045503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:41:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLfUMo089706; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:41:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLfKRe089516 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:41:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01M1IK13XEE8AKDJR3@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:40:44 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) with ESMTP id <01M1IK1O9GT69ULVSG@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:41:11 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:41:12 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen In-reply-to: <323.29e0f30.3179450c@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4447FFF8.6010000@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <323.29e0f30.3179450c@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:42:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44480029.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >Because it's garment abuse. Patches are what you apply when something >_wears_ through. > > > >***************** > >You'd go ape in theatre or film where costumes just made are regularly >"distressed " [theatre term] or "teched" [film term]. I can't tell you how many >brand new garments I've taken cheese graters and palm sanders to! Not to mention > the painting and spatter dying. > > No, actually, in a theatre environment, it wouldn't bother me at all-- there's a motivation there for trying to create "aged" clothes in a short amount of time. For SCA wear, though, what I prioduce is not a theatre costume-- it's clothes. They will wear out in their own time without anyone chopping random holes in them and sewing patches on. And the person who asked the question was asking how to save her mouldy chemise, not how to hasten it's demise. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 17:47:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLlYMg030269 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:47:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KLlQVf018029; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:47:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLkke4046348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:46:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLkgZn093858; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:46:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLkZwi093693 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:46:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tudorldy@aol.com) Received: from Tudorldy@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 7.392.128e2ff (3940) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:46:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Tudorldy@aol.com Message-ID: <392.128e2ff.31795b2b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:46:19 EDT To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Mildew and leather X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:47:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448016E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'd like to tap your collective wisdom here... I have a couple of leather articles (not garments) which have become affected with mildew. This was totally my fault, due to neglect. I'm really embarrassed. Any suggestions how I can safely get rid of the stuff without ruining the finish on the leather? I *have* found another, better place to store the stuff so this won't happen again. Thanks in advance, Meagn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 18:18:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMIXnl031610 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:18:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KMIOvn027839; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:18:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMEwvZ050556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:14:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMElNK018019; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:14:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMEY7B017841 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:14:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2479a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.154]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C7D65A50030 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:14:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:14:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:18:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444808B1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi I found this, and http://www.marieantoinette-lefilm.com/ Didnt they use wrong music for this? Or is it the new, that they want young people to get an interrest in history, and make it with rock music? I think i am getting old.................... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 18:33:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMXXuU032102 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:33:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KMXPNv031966; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:33:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMWqCK053075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMWkRr033943; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:32:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMWft5033810 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.389.12443b6 (3699) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:32:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <389.12443b6.317965ff@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:32:31 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:33:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44480C35.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 5:31:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: Sounds fun! How do I get into that? Sharon, who started out as a theatre techie ***************** I was taught to do it when I was working in the dye dept. of the local Shakespeare Rep. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 18:42:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMg2KK032674 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:42:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KMfonl001877; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:41:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMfP56054474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:41:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMfKBR041199; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:41:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMfGsj041058 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:41:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.39c.112096a (3699) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:40:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <39c.112096a.317967fa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:40:58 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:41:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44480E2E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:16:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Hi I found this, and http://www.marieantoinette-lefilm.com/ Didnt they use wrong music for this? Or is it the new, that they want young people to get an interrest in history, and make it with rock music? I think i am getting old.................... **************** Hahahaha.... Well, they'll probably try to make her out to just be the misunderstood Paris Hilton of the French Court...all that running around and lying in the grass and stuff. Y'know, like Mozart was just a Classical rock star! :-P The clothes look 30-fold times better than "Amadeus" I must say. They look right good. I noticed several different styles. I wonder if they follow the time line or are just scattered throughout? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 18:43:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMhxHE032751 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:43:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KMhoGd017674; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:43:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMhY4J054783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:43:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMhT1I043017; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:43:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMhN7e042826 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:43:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.383.1314224 (3858) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:43:14 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <383.1314224.31796881@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:43:13 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mildew and leather To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:43:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44480EA6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 5:47:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Tudorldy@aol.com writes: Any suggestions how I can safely get rid of the stuff without ruining the finish on the leather? I *have* found another, better place to store the stuff so this won't happen again. When we moved to Mississippi, many of my shoes and all the leather bindings on my encyclopias molded. I wiped everything down with rubbing alcohol, put them out in the sun, and then made sure I ran the air conditioner through the humid weather! I would spot test with the alcohol to make sure it didn't damage your items, but mine came through fine. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 19:46:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KNk36S002936 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:46:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KNjtGu020088; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:45:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KNjZ40063529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:45:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KNjSZn091973; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:45:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KNjN0V091847 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:45:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3F3A550A for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:45:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44481D18.4010104@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:45:28 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:45:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44481D33.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi > I found this, and > http://www.marieantoinette-lefilm.com/ > Didnt they use wrong music for this? > Or is it the new, that they want young people to get an interrest in > history, and make it with rock music? > I think i am getting old.................... Does anybody know who performs the music they're playing in this teaser? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 20:16:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L0Gfw4004120 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:16:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L0GXgf029351; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:16:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L0GJqM066580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:16:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L0GHZC013434; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:16:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L0GB4f013336 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:16:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carynsobel@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bf2KYIoDttURgrJWeMAT9RX8YxzJGEFlHW4yCBiq01yCWI2mxt+n2jBSiwBXNwTG; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.156.153.38] (helo=SobelWriting) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FWjJg-0004EX-8f for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:16:08 -0400 Message-ID: <003801c664d9$0c55d3b0$26999c04@SobelWriting> From: "Caryn Sobel" To: "Historical Costume" References: <392.128e2ff.31795b2b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mildew and leather Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:17:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: 251666aee31a72c3c5fbd2bc086b8747239a348a220c2609df37edd9d649291098d2ccf6ecacc462666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.156.153.38 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:16:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44482461.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Meagn said: My husband is a leatherworker, and seconded Ann's sunny day option. He said it may take several days of sun and dry air, but eventually, the mildew will clear. He also said to remember to re-condition the leather if you do use alcohol or another drying agent. Caryn P.S. I have been lurking for months, just learning. I am happy to finally have something definite to contribute! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 22:06:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L26eBk008187 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:06:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L26VxG029367; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:06:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L26BPM077984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:06:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2636g084315; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3K6D0rf078577 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:13:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.37a.11067c6 (4552) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 02:12:51 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <37a.11067c6.31788063@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 02:12:51 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] proportions for plus sizes (was yardage required) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:06:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44483E27.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/19/2006 3:10:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cahuff@clearviewcatv.net writes: So in the 15th, 16th, 17th century, how did the tailors handle larger sizes? Did the skirts get wider? ********************** You're sorta assuming there's some kind of standard. Just like today, it most likely depended on the client... with much prodding from the tailor. But if you need more yardage, you have to have more yardage. With fabric being more costly back then, and fabric widths being usually narrower than today, this was more than likely a "bigger" decision. [no pun intended]. And then there's the problem of gowns being restyled from old gowns. You must use what you've got. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 22:08:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L28nVN008264 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:08:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L28fcQ009462; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:08:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L27wLE078357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L27sWt085866; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:07:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KCpQdO024626 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:51:20 -0700 Message-ID: <444783C8.5020102@msn.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:51:20 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2006 12:51:20.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F8BE4C0:01C66479] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: drea@shell.siscom.net Subject: [h-cost] [Fwd: Elizabethan costume page has moved] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:08:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44483EA9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Drea asked me to pass this along. Sg -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Elizabethan costume page has moved Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:35:50 -0500 (EST) From: Drea Leed To: WickedFrau References: <20060417111954.J57120@shell.siscom.net> Saragrace, As I'm not on h-costume any more, would you mind posting a message there that the Elizabethan Costuming Page has moved from http://costume.dm.net to http://www.elizabethancostume.net? My ISP up and quit on me, and I had to find a new one. :P Hopefully, now that I bit the bullet and bought a domain name, the next transition will be easier than this one... Thanks, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 22:10:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2AUlh008340 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:10:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L2AM4f030875; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:10:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L29t6a078690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:09:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L29r8K087494; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:09:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KHiUmk078956 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:44:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.340.332acbd (62976) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:44:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <340.332acbd.3179226f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:44:15 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:10:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44483F0E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 10:37:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dch@inreach.com writes: Chlorine bleach is effective against most mold. But be careful because bleach eats the fibres and weakens them which can cause holes later in its life. Don't leave it on your chemise for any longer than you have to. I'm not necessarily advocating soaking it in pure bleach--often just washing in the usual dilute bleach solution can be effective. Another alternative, since it won't show, is to wear it anyway. However, if it is truly un wearable as it is, you do have to decide a trade-off between potential weakening of fibers vs the spots. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 22:12:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2CMaw008417 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:12:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L2CE75010772; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:12:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2BwTr079072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2Bu7N089176; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:11:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3L1UB34061181 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:30:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 3491 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 01:29:55 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:29:55 -0700 Received: from 67.174.246.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:12:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44483F7E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Hi > I found this, and > http://www.marieantoinette-lefilm.com/ > Didnt they use wrong music for this? > Or is it the new, that they want young people to get an interrest in > history, and make it with rock music? > I think i am getting old.................... They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally out of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). It would have been great without the rock music and some of the questionable clothing.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 22:19:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2JZOe008866 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:19:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L2JRPQ001236; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:19:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2HuGf079820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:17:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2HnMK093343; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:17:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2HjuO093244 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from axejudge@accessus.net) X-AUS-Server: EMAIL Received: from [207.206.137.2] (HELO accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.9) with ESMTP id 388926268 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:17:40 -0500 Message-ID: <44484114.9030402@accessus.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:19:00 -0500 From: Karen Heim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020318 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <44481D18.4010104@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:19:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448412F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It won't play on my home computer, but IIRC from listening to it at work, it's New Order. Karen Dawn wrote: > > > Does anybody know who performs the music they're playing in this teaser? > > > > Dawn > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 22:45:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2jtMi009869 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:45:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L2jlD1009107; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:45:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2jSA3083120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:45:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2jQ8r011955; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:45:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2jLMV011882 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:45:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 935553493 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:45:17 -0500 Message-ID: <03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:45:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Knight's Tale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:45:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448475B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun > characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally out > of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). > > It would have been great without the rock music and some of the > questionable clothing.... Now, see I thought the music and the "medieval punk" really MADE the movie. It would have been boring w/o it, IMO. Different strokes. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 22:53:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2rWVV010249 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:53:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L2rOMr011345; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:53:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2qjL0084037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:52:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2qfHN016791; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:52:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2qOA5016639 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:52:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01M1IUVRRKJ4AKDJR3@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:51:47 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) with ESMTP id <01M1IUWC8VSC9VRW7M@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:52:15 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:52:15 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale In-reply-to: <03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <444848DF.1010500@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:53:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44484924.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > >> They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun >> characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally >> out >> of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). > > > > Now, see I thought the music and the "medieval punk" really MADE the > movie. It would have been boring w/o it, IMO. > Snerf. I thought they might as well have kept the jousting, plumped for a modern setting and achieved less net total anachronism. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 23:16:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L3GlUe011519 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:16:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L3GcE2017616; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:16:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L3G6Xg087212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L3G1UM034419; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L3FwB5034362 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:15:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mylaar@gmail.com) Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c59so430583pyc for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:15:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hyh5AJ4CvzZLrzVaAXIXFAOnRrDqOiVw8EnEQf6/Jq/tPGyz4ezZsdahROwhRyISic3MPtEkuf4JibVlGwVjcH1Bx4NCjDUcdHSat+Hfs+xcDylIIdFpodteXkTSRtoYp65KqluY2LwrsKA0tFfx4SzuQtupaWyeo0+WQCjImiQ= Received: by 10.35.60.15 with SMTP id n15mr1938063pyk; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.94.11 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1e6527830604202015t6f643733x6ff9568f89c26aea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:15:57 -0500 From: "jordana robinson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette In-Reply-To: <44481D18.4010104@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <44481D18.4010104@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:16:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44484E96.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3L3GlUe011519 Status: RO new order (band) "age of consent" (song title) as a fan of both new order and 18th century costume/movies, i don't know yet how i feel about the pairing :) i'm waiting for the movie to come out. (and i really should have seen at least one of sofia coppola's films by now but somehow haven't.) there is definitely some intentional anachronistic juxtaposition thing going on, as the film's logo is so very jamie reid, the guy who made the posters and visuals for the sex pistols... -jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 01:22:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L5MpLG016318 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:22:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L5Mh66018651; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:22:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L5MKbS002501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:22:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L5MELF022186; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:22:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from twonetom18.sge.net (twonetom18.sge.net [152.91.2.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L5M94L022095 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:22:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Annette.Wilson@deh.gov.au) Received: from twonetvs10.sge.net (twonetvs-om [152.91.2.17]) by twonetom18.sge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DFEB837 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:21:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from twonetvs10.sge.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F0838FC9 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:21:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from twonetim2.sge.net (twonetim-vs.sge.net [152.91.2.9]) by twonetvs10.sge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBAD358C6 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:21:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from iceberg.bar.gwy (iceberg.sge.net [152.91.9.131]) by twonetim2.sge.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A840BE06 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:21:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from proxy.ea.gov.au (mail-in.deh.bar.gwy [155.187.160.31]) by iceberg.bar.gwy with ESMTP id k3L5Ltdm017533 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:21:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from act01excfelb1a.internal.govt ([155.187.66.20]) by proxy.ea.gov.au (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k3L5Lkkb028527 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:21:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from act02mf01.internal.govt ([155.187.12.21]) by act01excfelb1a.internal.govt with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:23:09 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" x-classification-classification: 1 - SEC=UNCLASSIFIED X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 x-classification-fullclassification: SEC=UNCLASSIFIED: #:# x-classification-level1: SEC=UNCLASSIFIED x-classification-level2: x-titus-version: 2.41.0.1 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:23:03 +1000 Message-ID: <19FFF895B5F1524999BFB8C0ACCEA3CF255CFB@act02mf01.internal.govt> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Elizabethan shirt - toggle closure wrist cuffs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Thread-Index: AcZlA6hbhHbWUeYLTfaH20JjjLSjsQ== From: "Wilson, Annette" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2006 05:23:09.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD89BBF0:01C66503] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3L5M94L022095 Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan shirt - toggle closure wrist cuffs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:22:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44486C23.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi everyone. I had a chance to look at a copy of the Tudor Tailor over Easter and near the front was a photograph of a wristband of a shirt dated about 1580 in the Museum of London. The closure was an eyelet and "threadwork" toggle - sort of like half a cufflink. Has anyone any further details of this, or a more detailed photo? I have never seen anything like it before and think it would be much easier to manage than lacing though two "buttonholes". As for my thoughts after a brief look at the book - I will buy a copy, both to use as a teaching aid, and for the odd bits of extra info like the toggle just mentioned. Good solid work in general, without being as intimidating as Arnold's publications are for most of the novices I know. Annette Wilson (Canberra, Australia) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 08:39:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LCdjTG001443 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:39:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LCda9i002774; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:39:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LCdAlh057680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:39:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LCcx4d081605; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LCctRC081517 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:38:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:38:50 -0700 Message-ID: <4448D25B.4080900@msn.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:38:51 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Plucked, Shaved and Braided References: <002d01c66499$95e0a820$8101a8c0@tereckoffice.local> In-Reply-To: <002d01c66499$95e0a820$8101a8c0@tereckoffice.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2006 12:38:50.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A682070:01C66540] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:39:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448D288.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Apparently the publisher went bankrupt and the rights to the book are now in legal limbo....may be awhile before we see this one. Sg Guenievre de Monmarche wrote: >The publisher went out of business; I don't believe any other publisher >picked up the book. I'd love to hear otherwise... > >Gueničvre > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 09:38:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LDcs0w004763 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:38:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LDcj0S025156; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:38:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LDcJdJ062961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:38:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LDcHPw023288; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:38:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LAkXV7011101 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:46:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA591D0008 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12946-02 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B8C631D0009 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012801c66530$8bd75b20$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:44:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:38:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448E065.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:45 PM Subject: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > >> They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun >> characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally out >> of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). >> >> It would have been great without the rock music and some of the >> questionable clothing.... I loved that movie. But I wasn't expecting authenticity, I was expecting FUN, and I got that. The characters were enjoyable, and the story was classic "poor boy makes good", which is timeless. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 10:08:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LE88Ft006267 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:08:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LE7xbw004922; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:08:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LE7btQ066359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:07:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LE7Z0H046371; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:07:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LE7W0o046231 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:07:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.38c.1449b5b (4230) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:07:18 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <38c.1449b5b.317a4116@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:07:18 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:08:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448E740.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 10:53:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ladyadele@paradise.net.nz writes: They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun >> characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally >> out >> of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). > > > > Now, see I thought the music and the "medieval punk" really MADE the > movie. It would have been boring w/o it, IMO. > Snerf. I thought they might as well have kept the jousting, plumped for a modern setting and achieved less net total anachronism. *********************** And I thought it so mixed up and vapid as to not even be worth the effort of hating it...or ever thinking about it again. Different strokes indeed. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 10:24:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEOALL007232 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:24:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LEO2rr011942; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:24:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LENkbJ068316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LENh2i060068; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay113-f11.bay113.hotmail.com [65.54.168.21]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LENdr8059998 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:23:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marquesate@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:23:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:23:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.195.176.12] X-Originating-Email: [marquesate@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marquesate@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <012801c66530$8bd75b20$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "N Kipar" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:23:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2006 14:23:39.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F566250:01C6654F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fascinating: oldest evidence for needle binding X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:24:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448EB02.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi All, I am going to a series of lectures at Edinburgh Unversity entitled "European Mummies and Bog Bodies" and while they are fascinating to start with, I couldn't believe my eyes and ears this week. It seems that the oldest surviving piece of clothing made in needle binding technique (and in one continuous piece of yarn) is from the Tamir peoples, in the Takamaklen (sp) desert, in China along the Silk Route. The most intriguing bit is that the Tamir are Caucasian, and that this chap's burial (mummified, owing to environmental conditions), is from appr. 1000 BC and contained a beret made in needle binding (nalbinding) technique. A 3000 years old beret that looks like a modern one! Thought I'd share, perhaps someone on here is as fascinated by this as I was. :-) Nicole -------------------- "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 10:34:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEYLVJ007815 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:34:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LEYC5H016134; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:34:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEXaZd069476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:33:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEXWjj067947; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:33:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEXRSm067779 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:33:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.325.2b3c994 (4230) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:33:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <325.2b3c994.317a4724@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:33:08 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:34:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448ED65.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 11:16:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mylaar@gmail.com writes: as a fan of both new order and 18th century costume/movies, i don't know yet how i feel about the pairing :) i'm waiting for the movie to come out. ***************** Just wait 'til they issue the "study guide" for teachers to use in class! Oy! It looks like the film makers have ignored the rigor and rigidity of the protocols of the French Court to an extent. Oh well....it might be fun. We'll see. And I saw a full page ad in the New Yorker for the HBO "Elizabeth I". It is a beautiful photo of Helen Mirren and Jeremy Irons....in bed. The tag line is "The hardest thing to govern is the heart" Yuck! [I guess it won't be until 1912 that mankind learns "the heart will go on."] He looks very good in a lovely doublet with some very un-Elizabethan looking embroidery around the armseye....????????...never seen that before. Still, it's lov-er-ly. The Queen...that's the Queen mind you... is in her Dorothea corset....no doubt fresh from "The Tudor Tailor" :-) and chemise. Uh huh. And earrings. The Queen wears her corset and earring to bed? I love advertising! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 10:42:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEg6LK008186 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LEfwV5019274; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEfhI3070497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:41:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEfdU6074520; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEfZ2m074368 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:41:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 55042632 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:26:09 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fascinating: oldest evidence for needle binding Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:40:37 -0500 Message-ID: <011c01c66551$8e4a2ce0$6701a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcZlT2NVejRAfppHQZG6OLcPUpzC2gAAf4sA X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 142, in=204, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448EF36.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Nicole-- There is a whole book on the subject of the mummies and their clothing: The Mummies of Urumchi by Elizabeth Wayland Barber If you haven't read it, you should immediately. It's available in paperback. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of N Kipar Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 9:24 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Fascinating: oldest evidence for needle binding Hi All, I am going to a series of lectures at Edinburgh Unversity entitled "European Mummies and Bog Bodies" and while they are fascinating to start with, I couldn't believe my eyes and ears this week. It seems that the oldest surviving piece of clothing made in needle binding technique (and in one continuous piece of yarn) is from the Tamir peoples, in the Takamaklen (sp) desert, in China along the Silk Route. The most intriguing bit is that the Tamir are Caucasian, and that this chap's burial (mummified, owing to environmental conditions), is from appr. 1000 BC and contained a beret made in needle binding (nalbinding) technique. A 3000 years old beret that looks like a modern one! Thought I'd share, perhaps someone on here is as fascinated by this as I was. :-) Nicole -------------------- "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 11:03:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LF3DY2009400 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:03:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LF35bf028713; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:03:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LF2nwo076115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:02:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LF2kuB094065; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:02:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3LF2fQN093915 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:02:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 23616 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 15:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MAX.sbcglobal.net) (maggie.gene@sbcglobal.net@65.125.64.176 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 15:02:36 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060421100020.01944918@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:02:23 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale In-Reply-To: <012801c66530$8bd75b20$154d4e40@Stuckis> References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> <012801c66530$8bd75b20$154d4e40@Stuckis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:03:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448F429.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >> >>>They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun >>>characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally out >>>of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). >>> >>>It would have been great without the rock music and some of the >>>questionable clothing.... > >I loved that movie. But I wasn't expecting authenticity, I was >expecting FUN, and I got that. The characters were enjoyable, and >the story was classic "poor boy makes good", which is timeless. I couldn't stop laughing through the whole movie. I thought it was hilarious. Bought it, and listened to the commentary by the director and... the guy who plays Chaucer... and they mocked themselves the whole way through. The director kept saying stuff like, "No one told me they didn't do that back then." I considered it a great joke Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 11:10:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFAmmo009842 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:10:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LFAeXQ032076; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:10:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFA961077152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFA3US000667; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:10:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LF9xYw000509 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:10:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.364.31dbea5 (3924) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:09:45 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <364.31dbea5.317a4fb9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:09:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:10:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448F5F0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was looking through the November 1799 "Lady's Monthly Museum" for something else, and came across this: "To take Mildew out of Linen. Take soap, and rub it very well; then scrape some fine chalk, and rub that also in the linen: lay it on the grass; as it dries, wet it a little. It will come out at twice doing." Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 11:35:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFZRlI011566 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:35:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LFZI3J010707; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:35:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFYrK0080588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:34:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFYn9U022925; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:34:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFYiTv022851 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:34:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08684 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:34:44 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:34:42 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Dangerous Liasions book Thread-Index: AcZlT2NVejRAfppHQZG6OLcPUpzC2gAAf4sAAAFuJiA= From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3LFYiTv022851 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dangerous Liasions book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:35:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448FBB7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Two years ago the Metropolitan Museum of Art had an exibition "Dangerous Liasions: Fashion and Furniture in the 18th century" and a companion book was promised. Now the book is out, published by the Met in tandem with Yale University Press. I locked in the price of my copy at $13.95 preordered from Amazon.com last year and it is here! For all of you 18th fashion lovers, the book is a visual feast of mannikins posed in 18th clothes in recreated rooms, living la vie l'amour in various stages from awaiting a love letter to flirtation to very close encounters of the sexual kind. Drool worthy fashions and settings with the added addition of tie-in artwork from the Met's collection and essays documenting the stages of love in each room at different times of the day. The book was actualized in hardcover, instead of paperback at a higher price now, but for those awaitng the Marie Antoinette film, even if we can just critique it to death for what they got wrong, this is the real deal. Best price is at Amazon.com There is a stunning, ombre woven dress in the book where the original fabric could walk down the runway today in a modern designed outfit and look stunning! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 11:41:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFf9Q0011943 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:41:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LFf1Sw013325; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:41:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFe9vo081262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:40:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFdvSu027694; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:39:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFdf8J027438 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:39:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so375749wra for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:39:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JSxeMPVp0PRo3CpK97Eot5WDY7kzzWXqkrQ5KCPIcpCwHzdlmOI1CXnumIoLYAIZ7n4betr5/F2pj0pb8Ls2iA1Cvy1N5rHDHIZVEuHLqwTtXVTQ6Oy86bVFta7cjKHGWUrysMsIJXUEurmGZdvV3S/OgeOy5JfqZCNzjN/bJ+o= Received: by 10.54.91.15 with SMTP id o15mr415410wrb; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.128.12 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590604210839p2b0c3700y96aeda8a6f25dd7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:39:41 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060421100020.01944918@justinanimator.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> <012801c66530$8bd75b20$154d4e40@Stuckis> <7.0.0.16.0.20060421100020.01944918@justinanimator.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:41:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448FD0D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3LFf9Q0011943 Status: RO > >I loved that movie. But I wasn't expecting authenticity, I was > >expecting FUN, and I got that. The characters were enjoyable, and > >the story was classic "poor boy makes good", which is timeless. > > I couldn't stop laughing through the whole movie. I thought it was > hilarious. Bought it, and listened to the commentary by the director > and... the guy who plays Chaucer... and they mocked themselves the > whole way through. The director kept saying stuff like, "No one told > me they didn't do that back then." I enjoyed the movie as well, since I wasn't expecting authenticity either. I however would have like to have seen the leading lady in costumes more appropriate to the setting. That was too jarring, when everyone else around her was wearing something closer to the correct stuff. I try to enjoy movies for their entertainment value, the story, etc. it's just when they try to tell you that the film is historically correct that I get upset over the details that are just so wrong... alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 11:41:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFfCn6011945 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:41:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LFf3Rl015896; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:41:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFeR3H081325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:40:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFeKT8028136; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:40:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3LFeGIt027935 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:40:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1805 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 15:39:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XIsAD/5VPShfvzn33dG77ced2Ci9pUCupC5wTvR9h9dKBmqK17ZUx91xHZGAew6B/wA17WQtGNqz89GVhzs2RgkpVmB3oxGpIB+oqs0s8AO74Xh3ugymGyBqkoxXE5mYPE1jMRRsW+fNrKCvOcVITXV1QKFYGFPei3ZAui+XDK8= ; Message-ID: <20060421153959.1803.qmail@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.37.220.190] by web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:39:59 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fascinating: oldest evidence for needle binding To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <011c01c66551$8e4a2ce0$6701a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:41:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448FD0F.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Morning :) NOVA also has a 1-hour video/DVD on it too. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/chinamum/taklamakan.html Chris G. Kim Baird wrote: Nicole-- There is a whole book on the subject of the mummies and their clothing: The Mummies of Urumchi by Elizabeth Wayland Barber If you haven't read it, you should immediately. It's available in paperback. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of N Kipar Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 9:24 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Fascinating: oldest evidence for needle binding Hi All, I am going to a series of lectures at Edinburgh Unversity entitled "European Mummies and Bog Bodies" and while they are fascinating to start with, I couldn't believe my eyes and ears this week. It seems that the oldest surviving piece of clothing made in needle binding technique (and in one continuous piece of yarn) is from the Tamir peoples, in the Takamaklen (sp) desert, in China along the Silk Route. The most intriguing bit is that the Tamir are Caucasian, and that this chap's burial (mummified, owing to environmental conditions), is from appr. 1000 BC and contained a beret made in needle binding (nalbinding) technique. A 3000 years old beret that looks like a modern one! Thought I'd share, perhaps someone on here is as fascinated by this as I was. :-) Nicole -------------------- "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2˘/min or less. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 11:44:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFivMb012168 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:44:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LFinrj014978; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:44:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFi5Vd082022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFi18d031487; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:44:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3LFhoFP031294 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:43:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54132 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 15:43:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vsTmU4FseQnZ8ZrRyfNmgCtXJIRlh6HK8n3hDfLkAHTWpeviJCH6CJJ6IPAc0QN41EIdXYZpx2vtVJax9AOhVfr3vmaa2s6JK8FyzAhxgIRWDr7bCua9SdW8FEtaOZzf8fDxgPzr0Og+mqxVL+nAG2F0gzYF6uK7QQQCapxjVhQ= ; Message-ID: <20060421154342.54130.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.37.220.190] by web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:43:42 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:43:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fascinating: oldest evidence for needle binding To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:44:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448FDF1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Forgot...I was completely blown away by the plaids they've found as well...reminds me of the Stewart 'hunting' plaid, but regardless, it's absolutely BEAUTIFUL!!! Wait until you see it! Chris G. N Kipar wrote: Hi All, I am going to a series of lectures at Edinburgh Unversity entitled "European Mummies and Bog Bodies" and while they are fascinating to start with, I couldn't believe my eyes and ears this week. It seems that the oldest surviving piece of clothing made in needle binding technique (and in one continuous piece of yarn) is from the Tamir peoples, in the Takamaklen (sp) desert, in China along the Silk Route. The most intriguing bit is that the Tamir are Caucasian, and that this chap's burial (mummified, owing to environmental conditions), is from appr. 1000 BC and contained a beret made in needle binding (nalbinding) technique. A 3000 years old beret that looks like a modern one! Thought I'd share, perhaps someone on here is as fascinated by this as I was. :-) Nicole -------------------- "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2˘/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 13:18:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LHIVJo018982 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:18:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LHIKHW018811; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:18:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LHHA7U093269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:17:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LHG7ae007095; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:17:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.134]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3LHFCac006320 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:15:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 54562 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 17:15:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VJSFNTBiPR4sU3pz0r3nRGEBtTMqVlnk12W/zLxAayN0OtOSa4op+GSUCfErTDgO8Xm5YVTqIcSuzEinVrFYdGWixI0rThWSKQSl+gZSmJ2LVYuhA1Y9mH3rLkgjb6PrG+z5/Za0B96fCBCyRefKkH4nOzHf+Gxt1NISwWv8/ZE= ; Message-ID: <20060421171504.54560.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.254.13.195] by web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:15:04 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:15:04 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <38c.1449b5b.317a4116@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:18:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444913DC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, I loved it. But then I'm really fond of alternative fairy tales too. I like it when you look at things from a different perspective. Plus, it reminded me of my first season with a rep company back in the early 80's doing a punk/biker/new age version of King Lear. Every year we did one show with a student director from UC-Irvine - usually not as out there as this guy, but always interesting. The first night we had a full house and by intermission we were down to spouses and family members. What fun. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 13:30:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LHUBGB019825 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:30:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LHU3hg023307; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:30:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LHTZlZ094574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:29:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LHSQai016792; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:29:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LHR0BG015706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:27:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3LHQq1o054908 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:26:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:26:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <12311.65.117.156.5.1145640412.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <20060421171504.54560.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <38c.1449b5b.317a4116@aol.com> <20060421171504.54560.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:26:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:30:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4449169B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This sound track is actually on my desktop right now, cd case staring at me with that beautiful blond curly haired man .... I digress. I do have to say that I really loved the scene where they are having to decide rather quickly what he would be wearing the dinner so that the lady could make certain she would not clash with it. They even described the buttons that he would be wearing with it all the while fingering the pavilion and its toggles. It was very cool to see sewing from that point of vew. :) Chiara On Fri, April 21, 2006 12:15 pm, REBECCA BURCH said: > Well, I loved it. But then I'm really fond of > alternative fairy tales too. I like it when you look > at things from a different perspective. > > Plus, it reminded me of my first season with a rep > company back in the early 80's doing a punk/biker/new > age version of King Lear. Every year we did one show > with a student director from UC-Irvine - usually not > as out there as this guy, but always interesting. > > The first night we had a full house and by > intermission we were down to spouses and family > members. What fun. > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 14:19:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIJhqr022146 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LIJYae010860; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIJ44o099284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:19:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIHUK7053995; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:17:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIHL2k053749 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.39c.1306507 (4230) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:06:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <39c.1306507.317a792b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:06:35 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44492236.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/21/2006 1:20:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net writes: The first night we had a full house and by intermission we were down to spouses and family members. What fun. ******************* Hahahaha...oh no! Yes...well I will not condemn "giving it a try". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 14:20:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIKBZ1022168 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:20:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LIK2Yx012404; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:20:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIJe35099466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:19:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIIYxj055075; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:18:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIHuXb054451 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:18:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.95.201] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FX0CX-0008Lj-PS for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:17:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <444848DF.1010500@paradise.net.nz> References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> <444848DF.1010500@paradise.net.nz> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:17:42 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 2:52 PM +1200 4/21/06, Adele de Maisieres wrote: >>>They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun >>>characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally out >>>of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). >> >>Now, see I thought the music and the "medieval punk" really MADE >>the movie. It would have been boring w/o it, IMO. > >Snerf. I thought they might as well have kept the jousting, plumped >for a modern setting and achieved less net total anachronism. I confess I prefer it when historically inspired movies include such anachronisms as obviously modern rock music -- it helps the audience keep in mind that they are watching fiction, and that they shouldn't believe what they're seeing is real after the reel ends. So anachronism, especially deliberate anachronism, in movies is fine with me as long as the movie isn't trying to fool people into believing it isn't anachronism -- I'll take A Knight's Tale and Shakespeare In Love over Elizabeth or That Film Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered any day! Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 14:23:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LINNZ0022298 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:23:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LINFAG012484; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:23:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIMjVg099754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:22:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LILga7058001; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:22:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imr-d04.mx.aol.com (imr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIItaE055289 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mail.aol.com [172.18.157.196]) by imr-d04.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN5-6444921f6e4; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:18:40 -0400 Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3c8.c6a6b8 (4230) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:03:03 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3c8.c6a6b8.317a7856@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:03:02 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dangerous Liasions book To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 172.18.157.196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:23:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44492313.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/21/2006 11:35:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: Two years ago the Metropolitan Museum of Art had an exibition "Dangerous Liasions: Fashion and Furniture in the 18th century" and a companion book was promised. **************************** I saw that! I thought this was great and very clever. The Costume Institute's space has been greatly reduced by the new uber-cafeteria at the Met [great food!]. So how clever was it of them to combine two related Museum departments and space to show both the furniture and the clothes in their "natural habitat". I remember a woman getting her hair dressed in the morning light [the lighting of the rooms was exceptional!] and a woman fainting in the candle lit evening salon. I remember an amorous encounter you see thru a half open door to the bed chamber while others cheat at cards in the front room. I remember an unwanted pass at a lady, with the dog jumping up and upsetting a table...a vase broken on the floor [I wonder if it was real...probably]. A great show. I think I'll get the book. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 14:39:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIdDFj023122 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:39:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LId56n019181; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:39:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIcoA2001982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:38:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIcQDs072805; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:38:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIXpHY068866 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:34:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12838 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:33:46 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dangerous Liasions book Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:33:44 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dangerous Liasions book Thread-Index: AcZlcL3WPeSaeSuBSouZNl7K8VXdAAAAN65A From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3LIXpHY068866 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:39:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444926C9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, all the scenes you described are in the book. I also wondered if the vase was real(a clever way to use something that is broken and of the era!)or a museum gift shop facsimile that was broken. A pity the Costume Institute's space was reduced by the new cafeteria, but maybe it will make enough money for expansion for the Costume Institute. Cindy I saw that! I thought this was great and very clever. The Costume Institute's space has been greatly reduced by the new uber-cafeteria at the Met [great food!]. So how clever was it of them to combine two related Museum departments and space to show both the furniture and the clothes in their "natural habitat". I remember a woman getting her hair dressed in the morning light [the lighting of the rooms was exceptional!] and a woman fainting in the candle lit evening salon. I remember an amorous encounter you see thru a half open door to the bed chamber while others cheat at cards in the front room. I remember an unwanted pass at a lady, with the dog jumping up and upsetting a table...a vase broken on the floor [I wonder if it was real...probably]. A great show. I think I'll get the book. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 14:45:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIjU4L023483 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:45:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LIjL6D022103; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:45:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIj1Id002875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:45:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIijxh078639; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIiXZH078425 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:44:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm65aec.bellsouth.net ([192.168.16.253]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060421184425.UEWU625.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm65aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:44:25 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([192.168.16.253]) by ibm65aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20060421184424.GIPQ10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:44:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:44:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060421184424.GIPQ10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] HBO's Elizabeth I (was Marie Antoinette) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:45:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44492841.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO HBO actually has a website dedicated to the upcoming Elizabeth I with Jeremy Irons & Helen Mirren and some pictures - take a look. http://www.hbo.com/films/elizabeth/?ntrack_para1=leftnav_category5_show0 Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 15:07:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LJ7Klk024685 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:07:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LJ7Bfu031320; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:07:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIvidS004894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:01:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LGdGPG078054; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:39:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3LGcnYg077648 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:38:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 4798 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 16:38:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=B/C0tUgGnc0yBojSIJQxZq9e3EU4U8nW2QbiGV2Wz9M3uJkVK5JU1ulFix6zav1TEZmeDdVmQ79EkAXgIaBBjYK3FyJ5CkvUqv34okS4Gqwj++BmTGZZmQHwKGcJGOAY8FQAKsa7U3+Cw5q53IdOZaedkKoT/a4aKcpiv77jjzw= ; Message-ID: <20060421163837.4796.qmail@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:38:37 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:38:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200604210253.k3L2rCJS017236@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Marie Antoinette/Knight's Tale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:07:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44492D5F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Snicker - I would expect that this will turn out to be silly and campy, (intended or not) and rarely presenting historical fact, although the costumes did look nice. (Or if it is good enough and popular may spur a trend in modern fashion?) The other possibility, although not likely, is that the music was provided with the trailer simply as an attention getter, and is not an essential part of the movie. I don't know anything about Sofia Coppola's directing style, but didn't she win some awards for Lost in Translation? I refused to watch A Knight's Tale for years because it was set to rock music. When I finally did see it I was pleasantly surprised that it was fun, and didn't take its self seriously. But the female lead's headdresses and hairstyles were freakish at times. Certainly not very accurate, but for nothing else to do on a rainy afternoon, provides a nice bit of fluff - or good background noise while cooking dinner or cleaning house. Annette M ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:14:30 +0200 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette Hi I found this, and http://www.marieantoinette-lefilm.com/ Didnt they use wrong music for this? Or is it the new, that they want young people to get an interrest in history, and make it with rock music? I think i am getting old.................... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:40:58 EDT From: AlbertCat@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:16:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Hahahaha.... Well, they'll probably try to make her out to just be the misunderstood Paris Hilton of the French Court...all that running around and lying in the grass and stuff. Y'know, like Mozart was just a Classical rock star! :-P The clothes look 30-fold times better than "Amadeus" I must say. They look right good. I noticed several different styles. I wonder if they follow the time line or are just scattered throughout? ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:30:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Diana Habra" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally out of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). It would have been great without the rock music and some of the questionable clothing.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:19:00 -0500 From: Karen Heim Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette It won't play on my home computer, but IIRC from listening to it at work, it's New Order. Karen Dawn wrote: > > > Does anybody know who performs the music they're playing in this teaser? > > > > Dawn ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:45:27 -0500 From: "Land of Oz" Subject: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun > characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally out > of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). > > It would have been great without the rock music and some of the > questionable clothing.... Now, see I thought the music and the "medieval punk" really MADE the movie. It would have been boring w/o it, IMO. Different strokes. Denise Iowa ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:52:15 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale >> They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun >> characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally >> out >> of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). > > > > Now, see I thought the music and the "medieval punk" really MADE the > movie. It would have been boring w/o it, IMO. > Snerf. I thought they might as well have kept the jousting, plumped for a modern setting and achieved less net total anachronism. -- Adele de Maisieres --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 15:18:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LJImMF025358 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:18:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LJIe6e003489; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:18:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LJD2ra007112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:13:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LJCpcc003388; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:12:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound4.mail.tds.net (outbound4.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LJCiJ8003273 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:12:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from outaamta01.mail.tds.net (outaamta01.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.31]) by outbound4.mail.tds.net (8.13.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id k3LHtenT001642 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:55:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from host ([69.21.250.162]) by outaamta01.mail.tds.net with SMTP id <20060421175540.MMKB31057.outaamta01.mail.tds.net@host> for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:55:40 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c6656c$5b629ae0$0400a8c0@domain> From: "bobd2" To: References: <200604211544.k3LFi2mh031521@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:52:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:18:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44493010.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have an "absolute desperation/last ditch/end of your rope" solution to mouldy linen. My Mom and I came across this in a Hints from Heloise (we think, it could have just been something in the local paper) We had some white linen, with white embroidery table runners, that were in awful condition, but they were made by a family member, and tried everything to get the stains out. We used this, since the other option was to throw them out, which would have been bad. If this is sewn with silk thread..don't do this. We washed the pieces in an enzyme detergent, at the time that was "Era" Shout might be the same thing now. Wash it a few times, and rinse *very* well. Then, take a plastic tub, fill it with warm water and throw in a few Efferdent denture cleaning tablets (get the plain ones, not the ones with listerine in them) then toss in the linen, and swirl and let it sit overnight, just like a pair of dentures. Rinse *very* well again, and let it hang dry. That got out ninety percent of the mold and mildew stains. We did it a second time, and I couldn't see any stain remaining after that. But this was severely moldy (had been in a damp basement for 30 years) Caveat: I don't know what this does to the longevity of the fibers, I suspect that it's fairly destructive. But, we're gentle with the table runners now, we keep them packed in acid free boxes with acid free paper when they're not in use. But...we also expect to keep them for at least another 30 years. I don't expect that a smock/chemise will be kept that long. Hopefully one of the other methods will work for you, as I said this is a last ditch method. In service, Robert of Stonemarche _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 16:39:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LKdF4Y030521 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:39:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LKd7Cm003282; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:39:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LKcgDE019151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:38:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LKcYsh079065; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from linda-4.paradise.net.nz (bm-4a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LKcL66078822 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:38:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-4.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IY3004UWAMQBP@linda-4.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:37:38 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (210-246-27-151.paradise.net.nz [210.246.27.151]) by smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66EDE2DE91C for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:37:30 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:37:22 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale In-reply-to: <12311.65.117.156.5.1145640412.squirrel@webmail.io.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <44494282.6060300@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) References: <38c.1449b5b.317a4116@aol.com> <20060421171504.54560.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <12311.65.117.156.5.1145640412.squirrel@webmail.io.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:39:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444942EB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: > I do have to say that I really loved the scene where they are having > to decide rather quickly what he would be wearing the dinner so that > the lady could make certain she would not clash with it. Not that it helped. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 17:24:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLOiv4000924 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:24:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LLOZrY019766; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:24:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLNFWE026358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLNAAB016875; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:23:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3LKouh3089277 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 34638 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 20:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.140.162.133 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 20:50:50 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060421205919.01e0f490@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:50:50 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20060421184424.GIPQ10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bells outh.net> References: <20060421184424.GIPQ10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor pregnant images X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:24:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44494D93.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I know that recently there was a discussion on images of Tudor ladies in "pregnant gowns" but I read and dismissed it as interesting not relevant. Well, it's come back to bite me!! Did anyone keep a file of the images that they could share please? It is only images that I need, not the text. Thanks suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 17:25:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLP2d2000936 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:25:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LLOoUF020066; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:24:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLMFUM026089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:22:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLM7uM015943; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:22:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from liberty3.libertyactivist.org (libertyactivist.org [199.227.219.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LGhEi5080906 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:43:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from raelee@rachelsampsel.com) Received: from localhost (liberty3 [127.0.0.1]) by liberty3.libertyactivist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFB562A3D for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:38:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from liberty3.libertyactivist.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (liberty3 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17714-02 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by liberty3.libertyactivist.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id 5784762A39; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 199.31.3.198 (SquirrelMail authenticated user raelee) by www.libertyactivist.org with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <11750.199.31.3.198.1145637499.squirrel@www.libertyactivist.org> In-Reply-To: <200604201623.k3KGMZQO003022@net.indra.com> References: <200604201623.k3KGMZQO003022@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:38:19 -0600 (MDT) From: "Rachel Sampsel" To: h-costume@indra.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at libertyactivist.org X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mouldy linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:24:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44494DA2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Have you tried soaking the garment in Vodka or other similar alcohol overnight (even rubbing alcohol might work). We used to do that with some theatre garments that came from of our more "fragrant" actors and when washing didn't work to remove the scent. Since it can kill bacteria that causes scent, perhaps it would work on mold as well? Patches _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 17:25:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLPj5B000999 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:25:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LLPbNb007716; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:25:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLNIKL026370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:23:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLNEvc016934; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIuoqG089793 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24739.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.57]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C951A50052 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:56:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002b01c66575$5cc6cfb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dangerous Liasions book Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:56:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=23% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:25:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44494DD1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Cindy, Thanks for your rewiev. I have oredered mine, and i am waiting inpatiently. Because i ordered a book about Toille de Joy also, i had to waite till it get there, to get the museum catalogue. Wished i had the chance to see the exhibition for real! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: [h-cost] Dangerous Liasions book > Two years ago the Metropolitan Museum of Art had an exibition "Dangerous > Liasions: Fashion and Furniture in the 18th century" and a companion > book was promised. > > Now the book is out, published by the Met in tandem with Yale University > Press. I locked in the price of my copy at $13.95 preordered from > Amazon.com last year and it is here! For all of you 18th fashion > lovers, the book is a visual feast of mannikins posed in 18th clothes in > recreated rooms, living la vie l'amour in various stages from awaiting a > love letter to flirtation to very close encounters of the sexual kind. > Drool worthy fashions and settings with the added addition of tie-in > artwork from the Met's collection and essays documenting the stages of > love in each room at different times of the day. > > The book was actualized in hardcover, instead of paperback at a higher > price now, but for those awaitng the Marie Antoinette film, even if we > can just critique it to death for what they got wrong, this is the real > deal. Best price is at Amazon.com > > There is a stunning, ombre woven dress in the book where the original > fabric could walk down the runway today in a modern designed outfit and > look stunning! > > Cindy Abel > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 17:27:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLR3U6001073 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:27:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LLQt1Y020718; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:26:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLO8Me026530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:24:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLO3wH017645; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:24:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from linda-1.paradise.net.nz (bm-1a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LKYI7P075525 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:34:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-1.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IY30099BAGWLB@linda-1.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:34:08 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (210-246-27-151.paradise.net.nz [210.246.27.151]) by smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206B41008527 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:33:54 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:33:25 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale In-reply-to: <38c.1449b5b.317a4116@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <44494195.1050805@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) References: <38c.1449b5b.317a4116@aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:26:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44494E1F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Snerf. I thought they might as well have kept the jousting, plumped for > a modern setting and achieved less net total anachronism. > > > > *********************** > > And I thought it so mixed up and vapid as to not even be worth the effort of > hating it...or ever thinking about it again. > To tell you the truth, I mainly remember it because I was away from home and saw it at the then partially-restored Embassy Theatre in Wellington (the one where they later had the Lord of the Rings premiere) -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 17:29:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLT2sq001139 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:29:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LLSs8c021707; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:28:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLRorD027026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:28:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LKPtY1068611; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:25:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LKP8SA067953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BED15005C for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10297-01-36 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E77F2150062 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <025301c66581$59d69720$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db><444848DF.1010500@paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:22:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:28:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44494E96.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon L. Krossa" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > So anachronism, especially deliberate anachronism, in movies is fine > with me as long as the movie isn't trying to fool people into > believing it isn't anachronism -- I'll take A Knight's Tale and > Shakespeare In Love over Elizabeth or That Film Whose Name Shall Not > Be Uttered any day! > > Sharon lol...I have never yet seen That Movie. And I have no desire to do so! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 17:41:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLfVSf001821 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:41:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LLfMJQ025956; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:41:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLexlE029122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:40:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLesUS032345; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:40:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLemJe032218 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:40:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=eJgTae8BQa6Zq8LQY8f08g9w+4ShWoI4lh9BWn1lzw23A/Z/fF3XjW0Mr5C+6XJb; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.7.105] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FX3Mt-0003TA-NF for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:40:48 -0400 Message-ID: <02a501c6658c$5524f4f0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060421184424.GIPQ10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060421205919.01e0f490@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor pregnant images Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:41:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48150ba5c0a5d462921e9cc2f1c527581ef83aa984341be17f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.7.105 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:41:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44495182.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] Tudor pregnant images > > I know that recently there was a discussion on images of Tudor ladies in > "pregnant gowns" but I read and dismissed it as interesting not relevant. > Well, it's come back to bite me!! Did anyone keep a file of the images > that they could share please? It is only images that I need, not the text. > > Thanks > > suzi I've got some Jacobean pregnant ladies, but I don't think any of them are early than 1600. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 17:44:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLiFTr001985 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:44:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LLi72g026918; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:44:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLhYij029401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:43:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLhT93034546; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:43:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLhMPb034337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:43:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3LLhFsW080196 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:43:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:43:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <43099.65.117.156.5.1145655795.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <025301c66581$59d69720$154d4e40@Stuckis> References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db><444848DF.1010500@paradise.net.nz> <025301c66581$59d69720$154d4e40@Stuckis> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:43:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:44:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44495227.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Jesus folks .. the snarking really needs to end. Sigh. On Fri, April 21, 2006 3:22 pm, Dianne & Greg Stucki said: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon L. Krossa" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:17 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > > >> So anachronism, especially deliberate anachronism, in movies is >> fine >> with me as long as the movie isn't trying to fool people into >> believing it isn't anachronism -- I'll take A Knight's Tale and >> Shakespeare In Love over Elizabeth or That Film Whose Name Shall >> Not >> Be Uttered any day! >> >> Sharon > > > lol...I have never yet seen That Movie. And I have no desire to do > so! > > Dianne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 17:49:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLnuMM002323 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:49:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LLnmKt028979; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:49:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLnK8J030068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:49:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLn84M039384; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLmiP1039013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:49:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:11595 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FX3Ug-0005N2-Rj for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:48:51 -0500 Message-ID: <021c01c6658d$5c330740$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db><444848DF.1010500@paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:48:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:49:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4449537C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I loved Knight's Tale. It has such a sense of humor about itself, which I'll take any day over a movie that takes itself too seriously. It was supposed to give modern-day, non-historians a feel for how jousting was regarded in its heyday--an exciting, hip sporting event, complete with rabid fans and regional rivalries--and I think that the anachronisms added to that rather than taking away from it. By the way, the commentary for the DVD is pretty darn funny, and full of the director making straight-faced comments such as how surprised he'd been to find out that David Bowie was not, in fact, a medieval bard. (He also explains what 'fong' means.) AKT is one of the very few movies I actually liked well enough to buy on DVD, which for me is saying a lot. Besides, I'm a huge Alan Tudyk fan. (The red-headed, frog-faced guy who played Wat and wanted to fong everyone.) -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 18:07:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LM7NJQ003304 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:07:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LM7FE8002808; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:07:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LM6kGo032523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LM6eE1054419; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:06:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3LM6aCQ054271 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:06:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 42334 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 22:06:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xejL4aLqd5Je/B0RbA3fqbg71urOYeWY8L52ps2CWVR1d3OQq7/YNc1ibCoc1KtUNBY7Np+YM/mZUQA2KODGWbjmeFKDPjkdtNADGCF9bgm8WSOKRRIGURtz1WsaBb+VK+CviT2RQCJuUA7YmE5XN29Lu/+TPIy/GkjraUj4ucs= ; Message-ID: <20060421220631.42332.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.254.13.195] by web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:06:31 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:06:31 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <021c01c6658d$5c330740$9400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:07:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44495793.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking of Alan Tudyk brings to mind another odd/wonderful costume display - Firefly & Serenity. Not your "normal" sci fi outing but really fun. I love the blend of cultural influences - it must have been a blast to work on that series. And Wash was one of my favorites. --- E House wrote: > I loved Knight's Tale. It has such a sense of humor > about itself, which > I'll take any day over a movie that takes itself too > seriously. It was > supposed to give modern-day, non-historians a feel > for how jousting was > regarded in its heyday--an exciting, hip sporting > event, complete with rabid > fans and regional rivalries--and I think that the > anachronisms added to that > rather than taking away from it. > > By the way, the commentary for the DVD is pretty > darn funny, and full of the > director making straight-faced comments such as how > surprised he'd been to > find out that David Bowie was not, in fact, a > medieval bard. (He also > explains what 'fong' means.) AKT is one of the very > few movies I actually > liked well enough to buy on DVD, which for me is > saying a lot. > > Besides, I'm a huge Alan Tudyk fan. (The red-headed, > frog-faced guy who > played Wat and wanted to fong everyone.) > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 18:15:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMFAO0003730 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:15:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LMF2XQ005332; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:15:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMD7am033381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:13:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMD2Qb059794; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:13:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMCvW4059719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:13:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (209-148-127-208.arc16.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.127.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3LLj3tC016613 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:45:04 -0700 Message-ID: <44495272.4020206@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:45:22 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Possibly little known costume film X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:15:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44495966.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO "The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp," produced in England in 1943 in early Technicolor (which here comes off looking painterly rather than crude). This film is a rather mild, understanding, even sentimental satire of the Victorian/Edwardian school of gentlemanly war, and indeed of that style of gentleman. However, due to the war effort the film came under a great deal of criticism at the time, and Churchill was among those who felt it should not even be released. With historical hindsight, its political points seem quite true, rather than inflammatory. But it's not entirely a war flick; in fact, it's in large part a romance. It starts in 1901 or 1902 (I forget which) and continues up to the early 1940s. As far as costumes, settings, etc. go it's quite lavish for its period. It's a good thing this film has been re-released. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 18:22:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMM65v004241 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:22:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LMLwwj007820; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:22:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMLmUZ034434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:21:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMLjRT067362; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:21:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32914.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32914.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3LMLfcD067219 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:21:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kelley_gerl@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 11049 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 22:21:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IMUpJSA1f5zYn+u9SUyosDGORaeFJkB2FWCDdkV9NNJ4bwWEvS4tRaUazsq3MvI1by5ehCh2VL2eihlNv8kzkmJ9o1ME27Z8+K+cgL+cEBSx+jPwse+Awy/9409lrBLpRmURpHo2DEyzeEKRuHLDbr4x4ouMPdIxPUx6i7GraOY= ; Message-ID: <20060421222135.11047.qmail@web32914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.86.81.152] by web32914.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:21:35 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:21:35 -0700 (PDT) From: S Kelley To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Please remove me from h-costume mailing list X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:22:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44495B06.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Please remove me from the h-costume mailing list. Thank you, Sharon Kelley --------------------------------- Celebrate Earth Day everyday! Discover 10 things you can do to help slow climate change. Yahoo! Earth Day _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 18:39:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMd3i7005245 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:39:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LMctde013240; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:38:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMch9U036879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:38:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMcesm080481; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:38:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMcWKE080364 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247cf.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.207]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A0C4A26282D for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:38:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000301c66594$56c87220$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:38:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] =?iso-8859-1?q?J=2EP=2ERyan=B4s_gentlemans_jacket_1770_?= X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:38:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44495EFF.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Have any here, tryed out the J.P. Ryan´s Gentlemans Jacket 1770? I have ordered this pattern, and would ask if there is something i should notice? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 18:45:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMjhF0005752 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:45:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LMjZXN015374; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:45:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMjGVA037672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMjDrY085894; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:45:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay109-f2.bay109.hotmail.com [64.4.19.12]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMj78k085814 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:45:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.19.200 by by109fd.bay109.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:45:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [86.143.157.73] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200604212151.k3LLo3Vc040200@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:45:05 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2006 22:45:06.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C85C510:01C66595] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pregnant Tudors X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:45:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4449608F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This pregnant Tudor lady is currently on show at the Tate Britain... http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=27365&searchid=22478 >Message: 11 >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:50:50 +0100 >From: Suzi Clarke >Subject: [h-cost] Tudor pregnant images >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060421205919.01e0f490@127.0.0.1> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > >I know that recently there was a discussion on images of Tudor ladies >in "pregnant gowns" but I read and dismissed it as interesting not >relevant. Well, it's come back to bite me!! Did anyone keep a file of >the images that they could share please? It is only images that I >need, not the text. > >Thanks > >suzi > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 18:49:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMnKMx005957 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:49:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LMnDDg016256; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:49:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMm2Ew037951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:48:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMm1cd088025; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:48:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMlt27087958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:47:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3LMlpoO018100 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:47:54 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64103.72.13.239.193.1145659674.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <20060421220631.42332.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <021c01c6658d$5c330740$9400a8c0@compaqub> <20060421220631.42332.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:47:54 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Movies, was: Knight's Tale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:49:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44496169.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Plunkett and MacLean was an 18thC movie that used some modern music. On the one hand it was odd, but we expect background music in movies. What struck me as odd was that the movie was set mid-century (I think it said 1740 or 1750 on screen), and a fashion-forward character was dressed in 1790s style. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 18:51:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMp0ds006055 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:51:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LMoqkq015349; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:50:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMocnt038208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:50:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMoZQ3090058; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:50:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMoVeM089898 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:50:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3de.82b4a (58550) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:50:22 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3de.82b4a.317abbad@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:50:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dangerous Liasions book To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5303 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:50:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444961CC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/21/2006 5:24:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: I have oredered mine, and i am waiting inpatiently. Because i ordered a book about Toille de Joy also, i had to waite till it get there, to get the museum catalogue. I ordered two books from Amazon--the said DL, and the 19th c. Fashion in Detail. Amazon shipped the latter when it was available, and the DL book just last week, but still didn't charge me the shipping charge. So you may get your books separately, Bjarne. Ann Wass P.S. Two things about the DL book--first, the page numbers are microscopic. Second, while the pictures are to drool over (and I saw the exhibit, too), I find the text almost too fey and precious. Maybe ALL the French aristocrats carried on like that--after all, there was a revolution--but weren't ANY of them devoted family types who stayed home, tended their estates, and raised their families? (Oh, I know, that sounds so veddy English!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 18:54:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMsuE3006325 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:54:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LMsmT6017849; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:54:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMsbCq038720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:54:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMsav8093134; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:54:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMsW20093054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:54:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:11758 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FX4WO-00035j-Rf for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:54:41 -0500 Message-ID: <026801c66596$8e35d430$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060421220631.42332.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:54:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:54:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444962B8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Shiny! =} Ob costume comment--Inara has some pretty darn spiffy outfits, and I made my husband a suede browncoat. -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" > Speaking of Alan Tudyk brings to mind another > odd/wonderful costume display - Firefly & Serenity. > Not your "normal" sci fi outing but really fun. I > love the blend of cultural influences - it must have > been a blast to work on that series. And Wash was one > of my favorites. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 20:15:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M0Fj4T012054 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:15:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3M0Fa73008698; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:15:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M0FEwc046952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M0FATi056308; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:15:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M0F7pv056222 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:15:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3df.aa47d (4552) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3df.aa47d.317acf80@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:14:56 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:15:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444975A8.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/21/2006 5:44:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, chiara@io.com writes: Jesus folks .. the snarking really needs to end. Sigh. *************** Why is that? It's only a movie. Those of us who don't like it certainly don't extend such feelings to the people who do like it. A little snarking can be fun....and sometimes start a good discussion. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 20:35:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M0Zpoe013137 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:35:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3M0Zhdx014011; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:35:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M0ZGCJ049174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:35:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M0ZFUp070723; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:35:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M0ZBU7070609 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:35:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.322.2c54991 (4552) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:35:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <322.2c54991.317ad434@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:35:00 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies, was: Knight's Tale To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:35:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44497A5F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/21/2006 6:48:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, aquazoo@patriot.net writes: What struck me as odd was that the movie was set mid-century (I think it said 1740 or 1750 on screen), and a fashion-forward character was dressed in 1790s style. ****************** Designers often use styles from the whole century all at once without following the time line. They seem to do this more in the 18th century than any other. Perhaps because the changes aren't a drastic as they are in the 19th century. Although, I can't tell you how many 1840s and 1850s dresses get used in Civil War epics! I once worked for an LA designer who mainly did TV. He and his assistant were snotty to us hayseeds [they thought] here in NC. His assistant with his nose in the air gave me a speech on how carefully they had researched and how the designer was a stickler for accuracy. Then he handed me to alter for the engenue: a wool plaid dress, closing CB with hooks & eyes, the bodice gathered a la verge at the deep CF point, horizontal decolatage, with longish manchions and long bias-cut tight sleeves. The skirt was cartridge pleated all the way round...even down and around the point. The film took place in 1863. Yeah....a stickler for accuracy alright. [For those who's period is not the mid 1800s, all those details scream....and I mean scream... 1840s] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 21:32:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1WV9l016625 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:32:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3M1WN1j029684; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:32:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1VOLt054816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1VKL8010496; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1VGT9010388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:31:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FX6xw-0007lj-V9; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:31:16 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:31:16 -0400 Message-ID: <20060421213116.sexntoaes80swg4w@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:31:16 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor pregnant images References: <20060421184424.GIPQ10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060421205919.01e0f490@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060421205919.01e0f490@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:32:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444987A7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Suzi Clarke : > > I know that recently there was a discussion on images of Tudor ladies > in "pregnant gowns" but I read and dismissed it as interesting not > relevant. Well, it's come back to bite me!! Did anyone keep a file of > the images that they could share please? It is only images that I > need, not the text. > Suzi, here's the list I've collected The tinyurl is the link to the same page ..... Well, it's definately Eleanora (I found this one on the web somewhere, and seem to have misplaced the information. If it's yours, please let me know) just look at that pregnant face ... http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/bronzinoFollower_EleanorToledo.j pg http://tinyurl.com/9fn48 and she certainly looks pregnant to me! Bianca Capello -- found this one on the web too http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/unNoted_BiancaCapello.jpg http://tinyurl.com/css6h Wife of John Thynne -- found this one on the web as well http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/english_WifeJohnThynne-euh02108.jpg http://tinyurl.com/b8vw9 Maegherita of Austria http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/gonzalez_MargheritaAustria.jpg http://tinyurl.com/8rqty The 2 by Marcus gheeraerts, I found here http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ArtistWorks?cgroupid=999999961&artistid=206 The Pearly Queen http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T07/T07699_9.jpg and protrait of a woman in red http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T03/T03456_9.jpg That last one is from 1620. http://www.weissgallery.com/detail.asp?id=26&category=current I may have another one, I'm not sure. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 21:51:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1p1OU017564 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:51:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3M1oqRa002193; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:50:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1oLEe056323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:50:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1oJJL023607; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:50:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1oFAX023546 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:50:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AAA343D0388; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:45:07 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:50:40 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01c665af$28b4fd70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <870801590604210839p2b0c3700y96aeda8a6f25dd7@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO I agree- the leading lady was SO out of period. I kept thinking one hat looked more like it belonged in "Breakfast at Tiffany's". The costumes bothered me more than the music. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 8:40 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > >I loved that movie. But I wasn't expecting authenticity, I was > >expecting FUN, and I got that. The characters were enjoyable, and > >the story was classic "poor boy makes good", which is timeless. > > I couldn't stop laughing through the whole movie. I thought it was > hilarious. Bought it, and listened to the commentary by the director > and... the guy who plays Chaucer... and they mocked themselves the > whole way through. The director kept saying stuff like, "No one told > me they didn't do that back then." I enjoyed the movie as well, since I wasn't expecting authenticity either. I however would have like to have seen the leading lady in costumes more appropriate to the setting. That was too jarring, when everyone else around her was wearing something closer to the correct stuff. I try to enjoy movies for their entertainment value, the story, etc. it's just when they try to tell you that the film is historically correct that I get upset over the details that are just so wrong... alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 21:53:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1rgp0017677 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:53:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3M1rYQR002884; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:53:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1rI0U056604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:53:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1rIdK025684; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:53:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1rGKL025649 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:53:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB5A5B5039A; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:48:10 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:53:43 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c665af$95d0d050$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:53:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44498C9E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Do you mean "Macbeth"? (hee-hee) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon L. Krossa Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:18 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale At 2:52 PM +1200 4/21/06, Adele de Maisieres wrote: >>>They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun >>>characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally >>>out of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). >> >>Now, see I thought the music and the "medieval punk" really MADE the >>movie. It would have been boring w/o it, IMO. > >Snerf. I thought they might as well have kept the jousting, plumped >for a modern setting and achieved less net total anachronism. I confess I prefer it when historically inspired movies include such anachronisms as obviously modern rock music -- it helps the audience keep in mind that they are watching fiction, and that they shouldn't believe what they're seeing is real after the reel ends. So anachronism, especially deliberate anachronism, in movies is fine with me as long as the movie isn't trying to fool people into believing it isn't anachronism -- I'll take A Knight's