From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 10:40:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1Fehua025442 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:40:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB1FebdP008645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:40:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB1Fbvfm084783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:37:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1Fb41c082384; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:37:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1FZbFn080670 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:36:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061201153536.UVVL25958.fep33.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:35:36 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.48]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061201153536.PIUP18380.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:35:36 +0100 Message-ID: <003101c7155e$5d08b7b0$3014a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061130201542.38109.qmail@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stranded Silk Floss Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:35:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.20.48] at Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:35:34 +0100 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 74a21770-6a76-49cd-b9ed-5bdb94749c06 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45704CF5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:40:43 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Dear Kathy, I am a big consumer of Eterna stranded silk floss. I have kg.s of it in boxes here. I have taken many greens, its always nice with sellections of greens for flower leaves. Also a lot of reds. A little les of blues. They dont have many yellows, so perhaps some of those would be nice, orange two. Some purples are also nice. Black, white and grey. What i dont use much of is browns. But wich collours of use in the different periods, you better ask somebody else. Another time i would be very interrested if we could share an order of the lawn. I got contakt to the lady who closed the embroidery shop, and she is sending me some of that fine linnen i was talking about. Many greetings Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Page" To: "Historical Costume List" Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] Stranded Silk Floss I am trying to sort out what colours to stock most of when I finally start ordering in floss stock from Eterna Silks - I plan on selling their line of stranded silk, and as demand sees fit, others in time. I thought originally to find a bunch of embroidery books and use them as my references (I plan on making up floss packs that one can buy a range of colours for a group price) but realised that if I compared to extant, I will be getting today's colours, which could be faded or otherwise altered by time. If people are wanting these flosses for reproduction work, they want it to look how it did when it was new. Does anyone out there have a decent book or two I can use as reference for colouring relative to historical dying of silk? I'd like to for example, have a pack for Norse, Tudor, Elizabethan, Byzantine, Heraldic, etc that covers the general colour tones one would expect to find in such periods and cultures. I have 575 colours to choose from, and as much as I would like to buy one of everything and just go to town, it's not a practical approach to efficient stocking. I'm hoping to get some stock in and at least try to get a bit of Christmas rush covered, but this issue is kind of hanging me up. On the topic of Kammerdug (which I did a little searching and it translates to lawn), I can get linen as fine as that here in North America, and if anyone wants it, I'll gather an order. The merchant that Kimiko mentioned I am betting is buying from the same company as I do, however theirs is the narrower Czech - nothing wrong with it, just a middle-high end grade. I have bolts of both and can compare. I have been getting the museum quality Belgian cambric from them, and it is so fine and lovely that angels fear to touch it. It's pricey, but oh-so-worth it. I can't afford to stock this item, I just act as the clearing house for gathered orders. They require a minimum purchase. Thanks Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 14:04:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1J4cWh031779 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:04:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB1J4Y7E003015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:04:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB1J32Im027291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:03:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1Iwcuv016969; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:59:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1FSLJ9072023 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:28:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061201152811.UJTV25958.fep33.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:28:11 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.48]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061201152811.PHLY1080.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:28:11 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01c7155d$51985cb0$3014a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061130204629.37757.qmail@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:28:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.20.48] at Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:28:06 +0100 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9dbfc179-f8bb-4c00-9fbf-8dc2490b6952 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45707CC2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:04:38 -0500 (EST) Status: RO What about try to look at the library? I know for instance the library at Museum of Decorative Arts in Copenhagen takes home all the fashion journals, and i think they have archived these. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's > Greetings everyone! > > I'm popping out of lurkdom after Worldcon and Loscon to ask for help while > setting up another group set of costumes for next year's Friday Night Fun. > Wonder of wonders, they are pulling me out of medieval era > clothing/costume and into making more early-to-mid 20th century stuff. > > The theme is "Mod" as in the mid 1960's. My tighter focus, at least in > theory, is going to be closer to the items worn by Diana Riggs in the > Avengers, or one of the other similar designers, but I am also finding > interesting comments about a couple of other designers. I'll share a few > of the ones I don't want for myself with some of the other folks doing the > theme who haven't chosen yet as well. > > So my request is help in finding photos of garments made by John Bates > (Jean Varon), Andre Courneges, or Paco Rabanne. I'll be trying to > determine a fiber which I can easily wear, as most of the polyester I > remember from that time (since I was well, very young then) makes me break > out in serious cases of the itchies now. > > My husband's first vote is for the immediately identifiable first season > Emma Peel leather catsuit, but I want to see a few other ideas before I > make up my mind. (*grin*) > > Then to find a nice pair of 1940's patterns for me- one for day and one > for evening! > > Thank you, > > Jonnalyhn Wolfcat aka Angharat > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc6050a8-abf4-41cf-9920-005241f061e9 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45708392.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:33:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO It's that oh so fashionable time of the year. Holiday parties, gifts, theater season, formal dress of all eras. Maybe even a New Years Eve ensemble What are you working on? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 14:52:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1JqIoh000726 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:52:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB1JqCFj010144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:52:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB1JoWCg034941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:50:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1Jnu8X078685; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:50:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1Jm01T076336 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:48:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 01 Dec 2006 19:47:48 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAL4VcEXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACMZQEBCQ4q Received: from 88-107-126-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.126.140]:3946 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GqEMO-000BQX-4d for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:47:48 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061201194541.0347f9f0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:47:50 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:52:18 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 18:58 01/12/2006, you wrote: >It's that oh so fashionable time of the year. Holiday parties, gifts, >theater season, formal dress of all eras. Maybe even a New Years Eve >ensemble What are you working on? >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com Mine is wearing padding, a shift, corset and pink check pocket hoops for a sacque I am making for a lady to wear at the Venice Carnival in February next year. There is a caraco jacket and petticoat to follow, plus three more suits, (I have made one) a waistcoat, and three shirts for her husband. Holiday, what holiday!? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 15:24:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1KOCGu001528 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:24:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB1KO8G7015076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:24:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB1KLTUJ042573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:21:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1KKONo013057; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1KFPLP007349 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:16:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0F8B157C for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:15:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45708D6F.8090702@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:15:43 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:24:12 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Cin wrote: > It's that oh so fashionable time of the year. Holiday parties, gifts, > theater season, formal dress of all eras. Maybe even a New Years Eve > ensemble What are you working on? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I've been seriously un-motivated for the past year. :( I saw a very nice embroidered (encrusted, more like it) silk jacket in a Heathrow shop last week, similar to one I planned to make back in, oh, maybe 1994. So I dug out the silk and fancy thread I bought at Vogue all those years ago, and have been looking at it with intent... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 15:29:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1KTPSc001688 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:29:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB1KTLq4006902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:29:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB1KQxHU043491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:26:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1KQKqU020425; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:26:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1KC9F3004026 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:13:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED979B1575 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:11:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45708CA1.3050207@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:12:17 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's References: <20061130204629.37757.qmail@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061130204629.37757.qmail@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b8ca8683-6fc9-4d0e-9e1e-f520e27b726a X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457090A1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:29:25 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Angharad ver' Reynulf wrote: > So my request is help in finding photos of garments made by John Bates (Jean Varon), Andre Courneges, or Paco Rabanne. I'll be trying to determine a fiber which I can easily wear, as most of the polyester I remember from that time (since I was well, very young then) makes me break out in serious cases of the itchies now. > The V&A is currently running a 60's exhibit. They may have photos on their website, or books of interest to you. http://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/fashion/1960s/sixtiesfashion/index.html Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 15:34:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1KY59u001850 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:34:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB1KY16Q011536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:34:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB1KVHWb044228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:31:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1KUiVD025899; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:31:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1KU3u2024930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:30:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id DF31DD4156; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBE0D3FC1; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:29:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: <18cWoman@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:29:50 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <001501c71587$763dac30$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: 1812Civilian@yahoogroups.com, 19cWoman@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Remaining patterns reduced to 60% X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc2dac43-9b9f-40d5-98e5-37c85becdea4 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457091B9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:34:05 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kB1KY59u001850 Status: RO Please forgive the cross-posts, but I'm trying to move the remaining 133 patterns. I've decided to reduce these to the great savings of 60% discount. We still have stock in the following patterns lines: * Attic Copies - Edwardian and Vintage (3 children's patterns left) * DL Designs - two vintage hat patterns left * Eagle's View - Buckskinning * Folkwear - Ethnic, Victorian * Heirloom - Victorian and Amish style bonnets * Missouri River - buckskinning and native * Northwest Traders - buckskinning and native * Past Patterns - Victorian, Edwardian and Vintage - some great wedding gowns * Patterns of History - Edwardian wedding gown left * Pegee - Gone with the Wind and 18th century * Period Impressions - 18th century, American Civil War, Victorian * Rocking Horse Farm - 18th century, Victorian, Vintage * Smoke and Fire - men's 18th century cap pattern left * At these prices you can't go wrong, even with some of the lines which are best left to costume; use perhaps as examples of good, better, best patterns for those of you teaching units, etc., or for those wanting costume. There are still some decent patterns left in Period Impressions, mostly American Civil War (early/mid Victorian). Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 15:42:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1KgDjm002117 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:42:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB1Kg9cr018926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:42:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB1KfSnc046056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:41:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1KeqhS037974; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:41:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1KakbR032972 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:37:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1457.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.179]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A14319C94 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:35:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4570922E.6050708@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:35:58 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:42:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi, Mine is wearing my 1860 dress that I am improving and made a day bodice for. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Victorian/jurk.jpg I am going to wear it 9 December at an Anton Piek fair. And there is still so much that I need to do... http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Victorian/Victorian.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 15:57:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1Kvj1d002514 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:57:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB1KvdRX007119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:57:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB1Kusog048540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:56:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1KuHgq056260; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:56:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts20.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1Ksg2Q054299 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:55:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from smtp1.sympatico.ca ([209.226.175.62]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20061201205350.QNPS24907.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:53:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.6.6 (webedge20-101-174-112-20020617)" From: Sheridan To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:57:45 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At the moment she's wearing nothing but a partially constructed habotai silk gomlek (turkish shirt), but I just divested her of these: http://spohl.photosite.com/Costumes/ She's also had a couple of dance costumes that were in need of minor repairs, and will soon be wearing a lovely ruffled petal skirt (viole(n)t purple satin and black chiffon overlay) that is sewn but needs to be marked for a waistband. Sheridan P. > > From: Cin > Date: 2006/12/01 Fri PM 01:58:45 EST > To: h-cost > Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? > > It's that oh so fashionable time of the year. Holiday parties, gifts, > theater season, formal dress of all eras. Maybe even a New Years Eve > ensemble What are you working on? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 17:06:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1M6diF004552 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:06:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB1M6Z4g017471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:06:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB1M0Qcn058104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:00:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1LxZxF027780; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:00:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1Lws2R026858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:59:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kB1LwmK1020414 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:58:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:58:48 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <39388.65.117.156.5.1165010328.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <44043.65.117.156.5.1165001708.squirrel@webmail.io.com> References: <44043.65.117.156.5.1165001708.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:58:48 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:06:39 -0500 (EST) Status: RO A box ... still not unpacked. On Fri, December 1, 2006 12:58 pm, Cin said: > It's that oh so fashionable time of the year. Holiday parties, > gifts, > theater season, formal dress of all eras. Maybe even a New Years Eve > ensemble What are you working on? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 17:16:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1MG5YK006539 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:16:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB1MG13H019825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:16:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB1MDP9o060238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:13:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1MCwOo042317; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:13:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB1MAmt3039878 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:11:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 8BEDD2E8109 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:09:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 6CB192E80C7 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:09:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12332 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:10:32 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:10:00 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's Thread-Index: AccVe06KrQgVp50XTtGtoBWLMpuKcQAFto8w From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=54% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kB1MAmt3039878 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b636412-8263-4a5c-9bee-165cca01aa34 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4570A9A1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:16:05 -0500 (EST) Status: RO One: Google the designers you mentioned and don't forget Mary Quant, Biba(the store), or Ozzie Clark. The Brit invasion (of their designers) had probably a bigger impact on what most people wore than most European fashion houses. Two: If you can find one of the Dover published "Fashions of the 1960's as pictured in the Sears Catalog" that is a pretty good source as to what people wore. Three: Any book featuring color pics of fashions from the '60's and if you can lay your hands on some Harper's Bazaar, Vogue, Elle, or Seventeen and Glamour mags those are really valuable sources. Or take a look at what Mattel came up for Barbie and gang, especially for Barbie's "Mod-ern cousin, Francie and British cousin Stacie dolls. Mattel did a Twiggy doll too and the fashions Mattel did at this time are just a time capsule of Mod fashion in doll scale. There are at least two books covering the Barbie Mattel line and those fashions. I myself wore a Carnaby street knock-off from the Sears catalog--a royal blue mini dress with white shirt-style collar and cuffs. From the collar was a faux man's four-in-hand tie in shocking pink with little white dots. Completing the look, I also had shocking pink knee-high socks, black Mary Jane shoes and the royal blue Dutch boy cap that came with the dress. I was ten and it is the first outfit I remember that 1)was the latest style, 2)all the pieces matched, and 3)didn't include a hand-me-down from my older cousins, or wasn't mother or grandmother made. In the 60's an all store-bought outfit in the mod style was a status symbol in my neighborhood. Fortunately, I was young and thin enough to wear a mini and look "cute" without Dad hitting the ceiling. Older girls in my neighborhood had to "fight" parents to wear minis and school rules that actually measured girl's skirt lengths to make sure we weren't "indecent" Ah, youth!! Have fun researching!! Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:28 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's What about try to look at the library? I know for instance the library at Museum of Decorative Arts in Copenhagen takes home all the fashion journals, and i think they have archived these. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's > Greetings everyone! > > I'm popping out of lurkdom after Worldcon and Loscon to ask for help while > setting up another group set of costumes for next year's Friday Night Fun. > Wonder of wonders, they are pulling me out of medieval era > clothing/costume and into making more early-to-mid 20th century stuff. > > The theme is "Mod" as in the mid 1960's. My tighter focus, at least in > theory, is going to be closer to the items worn by Diana Riggs in the > Avengers, or one of the other similar designers, but I am also finding > interesting comments about a couple of other designers. I'll share a few > of the ones I don't want for myself with some of the other folks doing the > theme who haven't chosen yet as well. > > So my request is help in finding photos of garments made by John Bates > (Jean Varon), Andre Courneges, or Paco Rabanne. I'll be trying to > determine a fiber which I can easily wear, as most of the polyester I > remember from that time (since I was well, very young then) makes me break > out in serious cases of the itchies now. > > My husband's first vote is for the immediately identifiable first season > Emma Peel leather catsuit, but I want to see a few other ideas before I > make up my mind. (*grin*) > > Then to find a nice pair of 1940's patterns for me- one for day and one > for evening! > > Thank you, > > Jonnalyhn Wolfcat aka Angharat > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:35:24 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <45708D6F.8090702@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <45708D6F.8090702@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200612011935.24272.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1cb2776e-f967-4e8a-af9c-245662f4c472 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4570C957.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:31:22 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Lots and lots of Viking apron dresses. I've made about 5 so far this year. Now to make the tunics and smocks to wear with them. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 19:54:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB20sE7X010208 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:54:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB20sAZX016925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:54:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB20rInh085357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:53:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB20r9N4090525; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:53:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.153]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB1IumIV014463 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:57:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 11869 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2006 18:56:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=eXXlAusaDPFT3VGEmGWHkbagd25UIkyPe0DO5ka1Hd+WPVfkXx8aA5sUB1/kPmJ/r4U0Wj9hRy9UB/A5S9XZWjwE3lF4jdGsX2yN2FiBJU9H82jyxr2RgIw3Avc1jSBbn/v+LF+ZW8CexpD6AdSmT86e5vnvpHaVRfpQByGxCRo=; Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:56:27 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:56:27 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for pictures of bum rolls To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <006301c7144b$23074450$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <698540.10409.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d22e721-b608-43ca-9448-8545c1466cb1 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4570CEB2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:54:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO That's my impression as well. Especially here: http://homepage.mac.com/muzette/Eng.File/Art/Gallery_pages/Gallery_bal.html The curve at the skirt is very sharp - as if there was a wheel farthingale. A bumroll would make a much more rounded look. Also the bend of the skirt is kind of too far from the waist, this would mean that the bumroll must have been quite large, but then it would make quite a round shape... "Sharon at Collierfam.com" wrote: It seems to be that the women are wearing wheel farthingales, not bumrolls alone. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:31 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for pictures of bum rolls ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for pictures of bum rolls > > Following up my own post (below): Here's one of the images: > > http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000057470.html > > The presence of rolls is very clear, particularly on the woman in the > right foreground, but on some others as well. > > It does seem to be at the Louvre, as I was remembering. I probably have > some photos of it and its mate, but I haven't gotten around to indexing > all of the 500 or so slides I took in Paris ... a few years ago ... yeesh, > I will never get them all straight. > > --Robin > Aha! I found another http://homepage.mac.com/muzette/Eng.File/Art/Gallery_pages/Gallery_bal.html it's not that big but this is the one I was thinking of. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:56:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Matilda (I love naming my forms!) was wearing my mom's bunad (Norwegian National costume, but she's naked *grin* at the moment. Coming up soon, though, is a burgundy and black natural form gown for Christmas! Quia Christus perpetuo regnat, Elisabeth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:59 AM To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? It's that oh so fashionable time of the year. Holiday parties, gifts, theater season, formal dress of all eras. Maybe even a New Years Eve ensemble What are you working on? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.2/560 - Release Date: 11/30/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.2/560 - Release Date: 11/30/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 19:56:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB20uu51010268 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:56:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB20uqjh024905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:56:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB20uQbQ085846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB20uP7K093279; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:56:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB1LVbcD097271 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:32:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58729 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2006 21:31:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=qQkbdhTzdW0C7VSrIEasYqDYmnEpvFNsihG7f+CanI2jje1mSEiJyiYr/P85x14zdYGP12K3Qzs3YZQX8OdjLG0eiDfD2g+a/YudZPKnwY+bhjLLNMqjwLwudC+tqT1JLl8PTrKRUr3fhjZOjEsqYfSIpG1jiEeUb9xJnNhmzhc=; X-YMail-OSG: ZnvktLkVM1kRM.vqmzeiihL..CCAiYyQIkjz4rCGoECDMtsOsIyhXUXV3buqpbpiUIl8IdZWqB_brqeNcJcJcNeMlsPGom_8riIg5Aot659bdtLBJJ53a3qgVKzPoTfLLGbZoSslyK2TpwdSBJHSQHrm1RxkE6SPbQ-- Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:31:32 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:31:32 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <186094.58193.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6bb0e09b-b75b-4cb6-8263-558c7da56f47 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4570CF54.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:56:56 -0500 (EST) Status: RO My dummy currently has a Henrician kirtle on it, hung over the top since it won't actually fit the dress form, and the straps aren't finished on it anyway. I am working on the gown now, with a big skirt with train, my first train on any dress, and I am procrastinating, and not wanting to work on it so I am writing on here instead. I am almost done, too. Just don't want to sew the final panels of the skirt for some reason. But I do need to finish it. Yule for my local SCA Barony is next week, and it must get done, along with a winter partlet so I don't freeze my upper half. Kimiko Cin wrote: It's that oh so fashionable time of the year. Holiday parties, gifts, theater season, formal dress of all eras. Maybe even a New Years Eve ensemble What are you working on? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 19:58:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB20w0d7010285 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:58:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB20vuaW008340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:58:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB20vLjd086004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:57:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB20vK2l094064; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:57:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.225]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB20LTRw066034 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:21:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id m7so1643141nzf for ; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:21:29 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=EMvrmpwlpkiLkypeohbmsBexC8zhFQqeV3Ftr5YZfNBBFmMwNhON568xFZ26b84FGnSkJrDz74KU5Oiu/ztfLwlYd4mvUwCiLbTadmqzlmeO+CxzZZmmM8N+HCiCYYOEYGL5lA+SdjoaX7RSzkAsmrJsuN2Ehmjfjyw+3gpSKVc= Received: by 10.65.251.2 with SMTP id d2mr7879323qbs.1165018889321; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.160.14 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:21:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:21:28 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d5f66a4-2091-41ed-9835-3c1a083a2fac X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4570CF95.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:58:00 -0500 (EST) Status: RO You're in luck! The V&A London is doing "Carnaby Street" as their winter show. Lots of Mod, Mary Quant, & one Rabanne. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's To: Historical Costume So my request is help in finding photos of garments made by John Bates (Jean Varon), Andre Courneges, or Paco Rabanne. I'll be trying to determine a fiber which I can easily wear, as most of the polyester I remember from that time (since I was well, very young then) makes me break out in serious cases of the itchies now. Jonnalyhn Wolfcat aka Angharat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 19:59:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB20x1u6010296 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:59:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB20wv7i026302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:59:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB20vXWh086028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:57:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB20vW6D094240; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:57:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39504.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39504.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.88]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB20YHxJ075931 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:34:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sarah_nucci@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2204 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2006 00:34:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=RH7LkOWAf/ciPlMB7DGC2z/k/WVUYDN60G1iSe1gYmkVfaVDQfLn5EAJzJQqVvftOsUiG2sN9iwKsRZ3/caGrscIk/YNpG3akl5LSBE5FTIPxNcX61JP8Ao5daAWjkq4yclORo/TVSarnNP6eHipf43Vt75pJM/HClvd3svd3f0=; X-YMail-OSG: 2CAyb.cVM1kqUI.7Apx56Ajj8l0mifgBz7sQVpCMrmGL7taGw56gzSFDiZJs.U7SNg-- Received: from [24.241.253.77] by web39504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:34:12 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:34:12 -0800 (PST) From: Sarah Nucci To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200611282324.kASNOGO3096089@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <166304.1815.qm@web39504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dawn - need contact, don't have you're off list address X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6ed1a48f-c51e-475c-86f2-f6217c423d8e X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4570CFD1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 20:05:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB215eYR010439 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:05:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB215amn013340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:05:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB2154Vo086828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:05:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB2150iv099392; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:05:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB214swv099265 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:04:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id m7so1646846nzf for ; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:04:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=suG2WQO+sRHumO6FMD8DG61c3auk1SZYI7oJTm9zJJEXhcebsWbUZ/EwvDNbRBr5OXi0jwIDR0ikXp0nYyFYjFl1t/XQo+2kVrtLvClRiuVPhTphE6f4GrPgr5w+/1rLOxqtWRmyc8BOwJuaSJ/XOyg/k2240UUcAbinP9A4VRg= Received: by 10.65.219.14 with SMTP id w14mr8712040qbq.1165021488487; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:04:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.160.14 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:04:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:04:48 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fbead697-3e12-4f57-b729-1c9801fb6f61 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4570D160.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:05:40 -0500 (EST) Status: RO >What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? The sewing machine has a cute navy mid-1920s (repro) beaded dance frock in navy silk chiffon over navy peau de soie. It's being remodeled (as in reduced to flat & start over). A friend gifted me with the destroyed dress after it went thru the wash. I'm trying to rebuild it. Euphrosnia is wearing parts of the perpetually unfinished Eleanor of Toledo dress that goes with the red velvet chopines. She's hoping I'll mark the bodice closures soon. Adonis is as all Adonises should be: nekkid as a jaybird! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 21:00:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB220IBx012204 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:00:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB220EZ8012472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:00:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB21xHuH093617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:59:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB21wogh036419; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:58:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB21wfSP036239 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:58:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.bc1.671825f (40522) for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:58:34 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:58:32 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:00:18 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Right now all but one are shamefully naked. That one (male) is wearing a partially made 126th century fencing doublet (leather). Another (male) has just got rid of a red C15th doublet. And a female one is about to model succession of frilly victorian concoctions. And the little one (kid) has just got rid of padded jack, and is about to be tudor. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 21:02:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB222pNX012290 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:02:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB222lPj028339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:02:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB222JGp093892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:02:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB221ZfA038520; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:02:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB220bsv037825 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.bc5.65979cf (40522) for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:00:28 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:00:26 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:08:10 -0500 (EST) Status: RO "a partially made 126th century fencing doublet" I'd like to see that... (couldn't help myself, sorry) Laurie _________________________________________________________________ Stay up-to-date with your friends through the Windows Live Spaces friends list. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 21:13:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB22D39O012465 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:13:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB22CwAY002820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:13:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB22ASgQ094662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:10:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB229sOn044940; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:10:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB229Kv1044564 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:09:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TTXI73Y5j8CJEoSUH6AzFPJmFoCpJN+M8xhv9dyvAJBnzde2AytL34iz9mkfSH2n; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.6.72] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GqKJc-0002XK-9Q for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:09:20 -0500 Message-ID: <015c01c715b6$e518d6f0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061201194541.0347f9f0@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:13:03 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > At 18:58 01/12/2006, you wrote: >>It's that oh so fashionable time of the year. Holiday parties, gifts, >>theater season, formal dress of all eras. Maybe even a New Years Eve >>ensemble What are you working on? >>--cin >>Cynthia Barnes >>CinBarnes@gmail.com > Mine is wearing padding, a shift, corset and pink check pocket hoops for a > sacque I am making for a lady to wear at the Venice Carnival in February > next year. There is a caraco jacket and petticoat to follow, plus three > more suits, (I have made one) a waistcoat, and three shirts for her > husband. Holiday, what holiday!? > > Suzi I'm with you, Suzi. This is my busiest season, with most of my clients wanting things for 12th Night, or Mardi Gras. Right now, Yasmine is wearing pink striped fabric that is to be a new cover for her if I ever get a minute to make it up. Over that is draped a royal blue wool cassock that needs to go out the door next Thurs. Next up is an early 17th cen. court suit in slate blue and red, trimmed in gold, made from a silk sari supplied by the customer. Not correct for the period, but it is going to look nice. I'm also trying to get a forest green trimmed with royal blue 17th cen. suit done for my husband, in my copious spare time. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 21:44:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB22iUfx013159 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:44:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB22iQ2J005054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:44:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB22hvfc097905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:43:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB22hsiU066230; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:43:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB22hoEo066200 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:43:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m180.in-tch.com [216.166.191.180]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id kB22VI503919 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:31:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000401c715bc$e3892780$b4bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:52:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b5373b80-fe12-4f38-9323-1c4c168a038e X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4570E88A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:44:30 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I don't have a dressmaker's dummy, unless it's me . My costume/clothing project du jour, though, is an interpretation of a 12th? century depiction of Philosophy. She wears a mid-calf outer gown with a fabric patterned in diamond shapes; it has modestly-wide, full-length sleeves, and does not have very full skirts. Trim bands on the sleeve hands and hem (can't tell about the neckline--it's covered by the veil.) Her inner gown has tight, wrinkled sleeves, and a hem long enough to puddle on the floor. From the wrinkles, it's much more full than the outer garment, and probably made of a fabric with a softer hand as well. I'm guessing that the original outer garment was some sort of fancy wool, or perhaps a silk brocade, and of a distinctly heavier weight than the under layer. I found some red/gold upholstery fabric that will work well as the outer garment, although it's not from authentic materials. I'd intended the under layer to be royal blue silk, but the stuff I ordered, although lovely, is a shade or so off from what I'd envisioned. So I'm not sure if I'm going to use the silk anyway, or just some lightweight, royal-blue linen that I have. I'll be wearing a standard, mid-calf, plain linen shift and wool hose with garters underneath. And turnshoes (black). The veil is hemmed, and I intend to play with it this weekend, since I've not worn many of them. I need to get my act together, though--the SCA event at which I want to wear it is in exactly two weeks! Eeek! After the Christmas rush, I'm going to have time to go back to practicing my crochet stitches for my "Mrs Weasley" cardigan. ;o) I've just *got* to have a HP outfit (suitable robes and all, although I'm far past the age where I'd make a believable Hogwarts student, so instead, I'm a graduate who currently has a shop in Diagon Alley). --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? > It's that oh so fashionable time of the year. Holiday parties, gifts, > theater season, formal dress of all eras. Maybe even a New Years Eve > ensemble What are you working on? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 21:46:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB22kShD013217 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:46:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB22kPmI006243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:46:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB22k5VZ098106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:46:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB22k0n0067504; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:46:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB22jsgd067452 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:45:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m180.in-tch.com [216.166.191.180]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id kB22XN504338 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:33:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001701c715bd$2df23a00$b4bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <45708D6F.8090702@reddawn.net> <200612011935.24272.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:54:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 813197a3-40ca-4c4a-9058-95751cca03a3 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4570E901.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:46:28 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I've been making those, too, this year. Have a few in a big pile of linen and wool on my kitchen table, as a matter of fact. Ahh, the advantages of living alone! ;o) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? > Lots and lots of Viking apron dresses. I've made about 5 so far this year. > > Now to make the tunics and smocks to wear with them. :-) > > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point > of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 22:04:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB234gPv013594 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:04:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB234cAT004562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:04:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB2340hI099916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:04:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB233tE4078244; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:03:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB233pVs078207 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:03:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m180.in-tch.com [216.166.191.180]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id kB22pK507959 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:51:21 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <007401c715bf$affa45e0$b4bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <054401c714c1$bca67e20$eb00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Madame de Canaples by Jean Clouet--need better image Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:12:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 935185df-0638-4913-857d-151b8a064e9e X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4570ED46.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:04:42 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Now, that is one *seriously* cool portrait, and not one I've seen before! Those undersleeves *rock!* I like the hint of an undergown in the corners of her neckline.... It'd definitely be a fun outfit to do, if I ever get back to the 16th century.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] Madame de Canaples by Jean Clouet--need better image > Does anyone have a larger/higher resolution version of this painting? > http://nationalgalleries.org/collections/artist_search.php?objectId=4764 > > I'm especially interested in the sleeves, but also the neckline and the headwear. > > -E House > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 22:17:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB23Hvs4013847 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:17:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB23HsnL013389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:17:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB23GuxO001430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:16:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB23GrIG086316; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:16:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB23Gmq4086235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:16:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:19885 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GqLN0-0004bq-0T for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:16:54 -0600 Message-ID: <05ff01c715c0$4a887730$eb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <054401c714c1$bca67e20$eb00a8c0@compaqub> <007401c715bf$affa45e0$b4bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Madame de Canaples by Jean Clouet--need better image Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:16:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3770394b-7cf5-4799-bc26-10c3b844ddf2 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4570F062.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:17:57 -0500 (EST) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" > Now, that is one *seriously* cool portrait, and not one I've seen before! > Those undersleeves *rock!* > I like the hint of an undergown in the corners of her neckline.... See, this is why I love this particular stretch of time so much--they come up with so many weird variations, before settling on the 'Tudor' style... -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 22:49:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB23niqR014604 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:49:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB23nejW012392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:49:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB22095h093744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:00:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB21xw5i037377; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:00:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB21xqCl037231 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:59:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c67.69d8430 (40522) for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:59:44 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:59:42 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a508b3e-6493-4072-afaa-85c003aa1b36 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4570F7D4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:49:43 -0500 (EST) Status: RO PS Oh, and one is about to wear a succession of (modern) clothes for flogging on ebay, with proceeds to go into weedding fund! Sadly - nothing for me as always..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 23:20:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB24K5ee015299 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 23:20:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB24K1ae021390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 23:20:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB24EobF008357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:14:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB24Eisp021133; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:14:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB24Eduf021091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:14:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1GqMHK-0002oO-Q0 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:15:08 -0600 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:15:06 -0600 (CST) From: Cat Dancer X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? In-Reply-To: <001701c715bd$2df23a00$b4bfa6d8@pavilion> Message-ID: References: <45708D6F.8090702@reddawn.net> <200612011935.24272.cathy@thyrsus.com> <001701c715bd$2df23a00$b4bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1649c5c-6e46-4a83-95da-bd2be084a920 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4570FEF1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:20:05 -0500 (EST) Status: RO If I had one, she'd be wearing a late 13th c. gown in a dark yellow wool that needs its sleeves re-done so they're properly tight, and new trim added. Over that, either a purple wool sleeveless gown or a red blanket wool sleeveless overgown that may have to become a detached-sleeve overgown. Both of those are in various stages of unfinished. I'd like to get the red one done before the end of next week but that's highly unlikely. I may have to settle for getting it done before 12th Night, with or without a fur-lined hood. /pixel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 23:36:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB24aeXo015667 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 23:36:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB24abvD031563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 23:36:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB24Z4lW010616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:35:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB24Z2N1032431; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB24YwXM032323 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:35:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (200.birmingham-05rh15-16rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.176.200]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <200612020434521110092md7e>; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 04:34:52 +0000 Message-ID: <005101c715cb$30c1cc60$c8b04a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:34:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 865281dc-2731-41b6-9455-aed18b59ff58 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457102D5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:36:40 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Well she's not here yet. Santa promised me one that will fit my Queen sized figure. Margaret Decker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 1 23:59:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB24xcYr016262 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 23:59:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB24xZ67012706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 23:59:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB24x6QM013796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:59:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB24x4s3047425; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:59:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB24x0HR047385 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:59:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m45.in-tch.com [216.166.191.45]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id kB24kT501048 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:46:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000c01c715cf$c5bf2340$2dbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <054401c714c1$bca67e20$eb00a8c0@compaqub><007401c715bf$affa45e0$b4bfa6d8@pavilion> <05ff01c715c0$4a887730$eb00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Madame de Canaples by Jean Clouet--need better image Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:07:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9e30cb7e-8314-4911-a78b-cc4d6bf28cda X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45710837.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:59:38 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I never quite thought of it that way, but you're right! I just really grooved with the 16th century because it was there that I found that I could make clothing that looked good on me (sort of a major revelation), plus, I got into monochrome embroidery in a very major way. It's what I'm mostly known for in the SCA (at least, I think so! ;o) And of course, when I started down the slippery slope of historical costuming, a couple of decades ago, most of what I could find for good sources on pre 17th-century clothing were are later stuff. Now, though, I've been tempted into earlier paths. I've kind of turned into a pan-european/medieval clothing and fiber geek. Most of what I'm doing is much earlier, and then there's the eventual 14th century wardrobe ;o), and the 16th century Venetian outfit to go with the blackworked camicia.... Never mind fibery pursuits like wanting to weave my own fabric for historical clothing.... Geez, I think I need to win the lottery! ;o) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Madame de Canaples by Jean Clouet--need better image > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Clemenger" > > Now, that is one *seriously* cool portrait, and not one I've seen before! > > Those undersleeves *rock!* > > I like the hint of an undergown in the corners of her neckline.... > > See, this is why I love this particular stretch of time so much--they come > up with so many weird variations, before settling on the 'Tudor' style... > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 2 00:18:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB25ITR6016794 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 00:18:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB25IPjc002590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 00:18:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB25HmiW016108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:17:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB25HhVL057842; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:17:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.133]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB25He2Q057784 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 97849 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2006 05:17:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20061202051734.97847.qmail@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CxWFgdfWqoyeI8Wipoxu9HGYiZU732oPqXP4Rjcp1U0gb7QaIY8UClqYnIUptlj6RRud6nWJE/F2uY2VBIkcWIPJoYCoGuc1Q5WnyadzYvX+xW1wWZOxAvDAKHH0CMFBuVu1XLgDUAmZ/dkBWGci4VJxf69dDudnxHwrC3zb37s=; X-YMail-OSG: vb5t8OEVM1l.JIW6TwpwJDf5wpG_xNVpSXtYkMVGZQ.RiiDrSkvlZhhRlH8UfhaxBfrLukNVbYMlWhKbUI7KhXegYehqKp6Z7P43BZqt2hYvKdpf8R3X50ZWpsSQNZfXOKtdDS7SFrgEHVGOuC9yNEENjFQnorf3UQ-- Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:17:34 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:17:34 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Dec 2006 00:18:29 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Be careful what you wish for, or more like, be specific. I got a Queen sized dress dummy from my DH (a MyDouble from Hancock's) a couple of years ago. But she goes in where I go out, and is bigger than I am in certain areas even at the smallest size. I had to make a brown tape dummy of me to find this out, as it won't fit my Queen sized dress form in those odd places. Now I am wishing for a different dress form, but my body is changing so I am going to wait till I stabilize. Kimiko margaret wrote: Well she's not here yet. Santa promised me one that will fit my Queen sized figure. Margaret Decker --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 2 01:10:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB26ABFk018099 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 01:10:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB26A5xd024720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 01:10:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB269Opq022086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 23:09:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB269LbG087026; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 23:09:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB269Ekq086965 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 23:09:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1GqO3l0l1i-0003sx; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 01:09:14 -0500 Message-ID: <008b01c715d8$61871370$6500a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4570922E.6050708@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 01:08:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=32% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5410086e-59bf-416c-9739-ea7759f245cc X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457118BD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Dec 2006 01:10:11 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Never thought about naming my little ladies. That could be fun. Thank you for the clever idea. During photographing sessions, I use the dressforms to wear original costumes in the university's fashion collection. Maybe the dressforms names could change to popular names from the period dress they are wearing. My youngest lady is a child's dressform for 19th and early 20th centuries costumes. She is wearing a beautiful red/green tartan plaid bodice and skirt from the bustle era. This was a recent donation. I had her all decked out in her full costume and photographed it. I needed to do the documentation and measurements on her, then one of the other teachers kidnapped her. My tartan lady is now in the display case with other red dresses. Maybe they are having a Red Cross Ball in the display window. Here she is: http://www.costumegallery.com/VCU/Photos/bustle/P1040081lg.jpg Another lady has on a c. 1910s white shirtwaist. The same person donated the shirtwaist. It has beautiful lace collar and bib. Here is this lady: http://www.costumegallery.com/VCU/Photos/1910/P1040106lg.jpg My third lady is naked. I have been photographing hats, so I have been playing with wig-stands instead of dressforms. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 2 01:52:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB26qDl2019108 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 01:52:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB26q9i7018387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 01:52:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB26pPMw026417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 23:51:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB26pLG4008907; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 23:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB26pGmS008803 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 23:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c64.69d91ed (40523) for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 01:51:06 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 01:51:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9fdbd2ce-bcf2-4281-afbe-c0780e66b49c X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45712299.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Dec 2006 01:52:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Alas, one just has a thrift-store silk scarf, and the other has a modern shirt of my husband's (picked up off the floor). I promised myself no sewing until I got my current writing project done. I AM, though, trying to make a baby cap for a friend's baby, due next week. But of course that doesn't need a form. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 2 09:06:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB2E6N7h000345 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 09:06:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB2E6J9j009952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 09:06:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB2E57rr077873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 07:05:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB2E4qSr076767; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 07:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB2E4mtD076609 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 07:04:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 09:08:26 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7161B.55AE2E75" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Dec 2006 09:06:23 -0500 (EST) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7161B.55AE2E75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I rather like the idea of a weeding fund - what should we weed?=20 =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Debloughcostumes@aol.com Sent: Fri 12/1/2006 9:00 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Dec 2006 10:40:34 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: > Another lady has on a c. 1910s white shirtwaist. The same person > donated the shirtwaist. It has beautiful lace collar and bib. Here is > this lady: http://www.costumegallery.com/VCU/Photos/1910/P1040106lg.jpg > How does this shirt close? Up the front or the back? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 2 12:22:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB2HMa9s005932 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 12:22:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB2HMW2N003090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 12:22:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB2HLg91007674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 10:21:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB2HLQpV036322; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 10:21:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB2HLMRJ036203 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 10:21:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.140.17]) by bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 09:21:17 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 09:21:17 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY135-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 17:21:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:22:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Right now, it's a dress from Janet Arnold's book, 1030's era with a fishtail ruffle down the back. I was mid ruffle when my husband emailed from sea to tell me the party went from formal to casual...haven't worked on it since. It may now become a short coctail dress, with the ruffle ending at the back 'V'. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? > It's that oh so fashionable time of the year. Holiday parties, gifts, > theater season, formal dress of all eras. Maybe even a New Years Eve > ensemble What are you working on? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 2 12:29:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB2HThkj006133 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 12:29:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB2HTdL0009128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 12:29:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB2HSxbm008608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 10:28:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB2HSjJK042043; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 10:28:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52104.mail.yahoo.com (web52104.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.107]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kASG0vUB032245 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 89027 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2006 15:54:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iP4VYpOznE0t39OhxPaIeQEumM2NFZTwapBNMamcKqNHGkgMzGDD7GV6bLpE+h22DrMY80WGH4AUFzjlCnd+gFDqhIm0ObTNfXbHiW/8MKdzmULE+x7An2m7y1Eh15VZ9ZTAJcN55ovbStVt5/sZYrA6fAvfL/Ia5npqON3irjQ= ; Message-ID: <20061128155409.89025.qmail@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:54:09 PST Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:54:08 -0800 (PST) From: Kathy Page Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 10:28:25 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7cd62c13-988e-46fa-b167-715895694890 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4571B803.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:29:43 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kB2HThkj006133 Status: RO Hi Kimiko and Bjarne, I am very familiar with this linen, I am betting my boots this is the same supplier I use. 2.8 oz is about as fine as you are going to get it. I have bolts of both the Czech linen (which is what this Draper is selling) and the Belgian, which is much wider but also *much* finer quality. This largely competes with the Italian, but better priced. (Belgian is running at about $36.00 CAD cost, Italian is about $100.00 per yard at COST- eek!) Kammerdug, I understand translates to lawm or lawn, which I believe is a shade heavier than cambric. The yardage that Kimiko showed is lighter yet than Kammerdug. Doing a little looking around, lawm tends to be placed into a similar category as organdy. You will find Batiste and voile in this family of weaves as well. Between the two (Czech and Belgian) Czech is good, but as you mentioned, crisper. By comparison, the flaws are a little more noticable as well. There is some slubbiness to it. The Belgian doesn't have a slub larger than a pin head in the entire yardage. The Belgian is also qualified as "museum quality" and restoration shops use it for their work. (I found this out because my first order from the supplier was erroneously redirected to one of them!) Something else I have found out in my pursuit of the perfect linen: the price. YIKES! It's shot up! I was told the reason for this was because the flax seed and oil industry is more lucrative than the linen textile, and because they cannot harvest both the stalk and the seed and reap the income from both, many farmers have opted to follow their pocket books and not let the stalks mature into useable plants for the textile industry. This of course creates a supply and demand problem, quickly filtering down to the end user. I can get this linen for you, I have a wholesale account. I just need to gather orders because I just can't keep this stuff in stock and they require a minimum purchase. But, if you want to keep some in stock for yourself, this is definitely the way to go. I may in time start stocking it, but I have to get some income rolling in another easier to sell department - I have a wholesale account for Eterna Silks as well. I will be selling their stranded silk flosses, other lines as the demand sees fit. Kathy We are searching for that elusive fine linen. However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine 2.8 oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35” wide, $14.50/yd. I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug (very fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that this no longer is made. I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 ----- Original Message ---- From: "h-costume-request@indra.com" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:59:10 AM Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 744 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: kyoto stays again (AlbertCat@aol.com) 2. WildThang2005 has invited you to FREE 3D avatar chat on IMVU (WildThang2005) 3. Re: Holbein exhibit (Dawn) 4. Re: a question about museums (Bjarne og Leif Drews) 5. kammerdug/linnen (Bjarne og Leif Drews) 6. RE: a question about museums (Wanda Pease) 7. Re: Holbein exhibit (Suzi Clarke) 8. RE: Holbein exhibit (Anne Moeller) 9. Re: kammerdug/linnen (Kimiko Small) 10. Re: kammerdug/linnen (Sue Clemenger) 11. RE: Holbein exhibit/London shows (Suzi Clarke) 12. Re: kammerdug/linnen (Tania Gruning) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:56:55 EST From: AlbertCat@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] kyoto stays again To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 11/25/2006 8:43:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com writes: First off, yup, I agree with you, they are a bit too big around the bust. I think you could take them in along the side front curve and that would work nicely. It may also push her breasts together a bit, giving her more cleavage. I have a question though...Is she wearing them with a bra in that photo? If she is, it will throw off your fitting entirely. She should have a chemise to wear underneath, that's all, then the stays can do their own work. This may also be why she believes they fit her. ********************************************* Greetings....I hope everyone had a great holiday....those who had holidays....hell, and those who didn't! Beautiful stays, of course, Bjarne. I would take in the bust area in bits at several places, At the side AND the CF....and even somewhere in-between if possible, but that would require re-cutting the whole front after altering the pattern. And the decolletage may need to be lowered an inch or so. And a fitting sans bra may release and free her bust to fill the front of the corset more. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:22:49 -0800 From: "WildThang2005" Subject: [h-cost] WildThang2005 has invited you to FREE 3D avatar chat on IMVU To: "h-costume@indra.com" Message-ID: <200611272022.kARKMn9K016144@AF001122.prod.imvu.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" WildThang2005 (wildthangstreasures@yahoo.com) has sent you this invitation to chat in 3D. Hi, I just downloaded IMVU 3D messenger, the cool new instant messaging software with 3D animated avatars. Let's try it out together. Basic membership is free, and it takes about a minute to create your own custom 3D avatar. IMVU is a FREE 3D instant messaging software download. It's an easy way to chat with friends and meet new people. Build a customized, animated 3D identity from over 200,000 user created options. Decorate your Avatar home page with stickers and powerful editing tools. 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You are receiving this email because someone who knows you sent you an invitation to join them on imvu.com.  If you want to prevent any future e-mail from IMVU, you can remove yourself from by pointing your web browser to http://www.imvu.com/catalog/web_nonregisteredoptout.php?code=33c1d5&email=h-costume@indra.com.  Your opt-out confirmation code is 33c1d5 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:47:54 -0600 From: Dawn Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <456B792A.1010706@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Kimiko Small wrote: > Thank you Janet for sharing this. > > I see that there is a book on the collection, Holbein in England. Has anyone here seen the book, and is it worth getting for those rarely seen images, like the ones that for copyright restriction is not on the website? > I saw the exhibit this weekend, and got this book. I agree with Suzi, it has excellent images, many full-page and very clearly reproduced. It has all the images (I think) and yes, there are a bunch of sketches and some portraits not usually reproduced in other books. There's also a good selection of non-portrait works, designs for jewelry and covered cups and such. > And looking at Amazon.com, I see the author, Susan Foister, has another book that is thicker > Holbein and England (Paul Mellon Centre for Studies) > Does anyone know of any details on this book? It's like the catalogue, but I believe it covers all of Holbein, not just his years in England. It's at least two inches thick. I thought about getting it, but it was expensive and I thought it might put me over my luggage weight limit (no kidding!). Dawn ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:58:07 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: Re: [h-cost] a question about museums To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <000401c7125e$5cd99e60$8e14a150@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi, Yes you are right, i went to the museums website and they do have a photographer there, but i would have to pay him, and that would be expensive. Perhaps i could travel to Gotland for the same money. I got the feeling that the museum would not mind me photographing the stays. These stays are some of the most beautifull i have seen, very plain, but beautifull craftmanship. Grey linnen with blue tiny tapes at the seams. And besides this is very unusual dated from 1760-80 because it has a boatshaped neckline, with tied shoulderstraps off the shoulders. I have ben thinking i would send Ian the staymaker a copy of the photo from the book, because it is so beautifull. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] a question about museums >A lot of times it's pricey because they don't have a professional > photographer on staff and to have one come in and do a set-up just for > one object costs them a lot. > > Kate > 609-570-3584 > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:19 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] a question about museums > > Museums are kinda weird this way. The Phoenix Art Museum for instance > has > no photograph what so ever of the portrait of the dress I am > recreating......you'd think they'd photograph everything just for > insurance > purposes. > > I'd contact the museum. Often, they will photograph the article if you > are > willing to pay for it. It can be pricey. The Norton Simon Museum > offered > to do this for me on a particular portrait. They wanted $100 6 years > ago. > > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:59:21 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen To: Message-ID: <000e01c71277$ae5a2520$2de73f50@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi, I just wondered if some of you have had the same experienses. I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug (very fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that this no longer is made. I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. The only substitute they have is a linnen with 14 threads pr. centimeter, but thats not as fine as the old kammerdug. Blast! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:17:47 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" Subject: RE: [h-cost] a question about museums To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Goodness Gracious but I seem to be putting out a lot of grumpy posts lately. Museums and many "collections" make the money to allow them to be open at all from public donations, a tax stipend, or ticket sales. All of these come out of the public pocket. Those who will not allow a member of that public to take their own pictures without paying the high prices of a "professional" strike me as a bit "dog in the manger" types (sorry Bjarne, it's one of the Aesop tales - I'm sure it's familiar to you with different wording). When I took pictures in the Museum of Munich of the various garments on display the only thing that they required is that I not utilize a tripod or a flash. The guard in each room asked me to demonstrate that I had the flash "off" before I could take pictures in his room. That way the pieces were not being exposed to any more light than they ever were. I had two cameras with me. One was a regular Pentax camera with 1600 ASA film, but no flash attachment (he seemed to be a bit puzzled by that, I'm not sure he'd seen a film camera before) and a 5Megabyte Sony (?). I knew how to turn the flash on and off, something that too many idiot tourists didn't, or couldn't see why THEY should be restricted by such rules. Something I doubt that any on this list would give them a hassle about. My non flash pictures with the film camera came out better than I could actually see the items, which were kept in fairly dim rooms. I know that someone is going to point out that the money the museum earns from photographic reprints is a large part of their budget. This is all very well, but the pictures and other works of art and history are not THEIRS. They are caring for them for the people. Well, I'm one of the people too! If it weren't for me and people like me the items would be used to cover cabbages to keep them from frost. Civil Servant (I'm One) does not equate to Civil Master. The things in museums are financed with your money! Therefore it is not unreasonable for you to be allowed to photograph an item very carefully so that possibly hundreds of people could share your information and not just the few that manage to come through "their museum" every year! On the other hand I have been able to make arrangements with museums and libraries in Germany and England and have them fall all over themselves to help me get exactly what I wanted and allowed me to distribute as many copies as I wanted (free, of course) as long as I mentioned them, and gave their address. Wanda > > Hi, > Yes you are right, i went to the museums website and they do have a > photographer there, but i would have to pay him, and that would be > expensive. Perhaps i could travel to Gotland for the same money. > I got the > feeling that the museum would not mind me photographing the stays. > These stays are some of the most beautifull i have seen, very plain, but > beautifull craftmanship. Grey linnen with blue tiny tapes at the > seams. And > besides this is very unusual dated from 1760-80 because it has a > boatshaped > neckline, with tied shoulderstraps off the shoulders. > I have ben thinking i would send Ian the staymaker a copy of the > photo from > the book, because it is so beautifull. > > Bjarne > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:18:00 +0000 From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061128001625.033e09a0@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 23:47 27/11/2006, you wrote: >Kimiko Small wrote: >>Thank you Janet for sharing this. >> I see that there is a book on the collection, Holbein in >> England. Has anyone here seen the book, and is it worth getting >> for those rarely seen images, like the ones that for copyright >> restriction is not on the website? >> > >I saw the exhibit this weekend, and got this book. I agree with >Suzi, it has excellent images, many full-page and very clearly >reproduced. It has all the images (I think) and yes, there are a >bunch of sketches and some portraits not usually reproduced in other >books. There's also a good selection of non-portrait works, designs >for jewelry and covered cups and such. > >> And looking at Amazon.com, I see the author, Susan Foister, has >> another book that is thicker >> Holbein and England (Paul Mellon Centre for Studies) >> Does anyone know of any details on this book? > >It's like the catalogue, but I believe it covers all of Holbein, not >just his years in England. It's at least two inches thick. I thought >about getting it, but it was expensive and I thought it might put me >over my luggage weight limit (no kidding!). Glad you got to see the exhibit. Did you take as long as us, or were you able to drag yourself away? I just love those drawings - so much detail, and so much more "real" than the oil paintings. Suzi ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:26:59 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-ID: <009f01c7129d$10911ee0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" WAAAAAH!!!!! I didn't get to go:( Is the book on the collection really good? Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:18 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit At 23:47 27/11/2006, you wrote: >Kimiko Small wrote: >>Thank you Janet for sharing this. >> I see that there is a book on the collection, Holbein in >> England. Has anyone here seen the book, and is it worth getting >> for those rarely seen images, like the ones that for copyright >> restriction is not on the website? >> > >I saw the exhibit this weekend, and got this book. I agree with >Suzi, it has excellent images, many full-page and very clearly >reproduced. It has all the images (I think) and yes, there are a >bunch of sketches and some portraits not usually reproduced in other >books. There's also a good selection of non-portrait works, designs >for jewelry and covered cups and such. > >> And looking at Amazon.com, I see the author, Susan Foister, has >> another book that is thicker >> Holbein and England (Paul Mellon Centre for Studies) >> Does anyone know of any details on this book? > >It's like the catalogue, but I believe it covers all of Holbein, not >just his years in England. It's at least two inches thick. I thought >about getting it, but it was expensive and I thought it might put me >over my luggage weight limit (no kidding!). Glad you got to see the exhibit. Did you take as long as us, or were you able to drag yourself away? I just love those drawings - so much detail, and so much more "real" than the oil paintings. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:50:52 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <970960.68830.qm@web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Bjarne, I have been chatting with others on a different list on fine linen recently, so your news is rather sad to hear. We are searching for that elusive fine linen. However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine 2.8 oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35” wide, $14.50/yd. WLG 112 Please specify white (below) or off-white He claims it "is some of the finest commercially produced today. At 55 threads to the inch it is also tightly woven." (~ 22 threads per cm, if my math is right.) He also calls it cambric. I don't know how fine your kammerdug was, but does this come close? He does send swatches upon request, as he just sent me 4 of different types of fine linen. The linen to my hand is a bit crisp, and not as soft as other handkerchief weights I have samples of, but it feels smooth. However, I am no expert on linens, so I don't know how fine they can get. I am still learning. It may be worth a look for you. Kimiko Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, I just wondered if some of you have had the same experienses. I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug (very fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that this no longer is made. I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. The only substitute they have is a linnen with 14 threads pr. centimeter, but thats not as fine as the old kammerdug. Blast! Bjarne --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:27:34 -0700 From: "Sue Clemenger" Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <003a01c712b6$4b466180$c1bfa6d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have the remnants (carefully hoarded) of two bolts of a cotton/linen blend that has a thread count of roughly 60/inch. Better, it's evenweave, same count in both directions. It is, too date (after almost 20 years in the SCA) the finest linen or linen approximation I have personally seen for sale. *sigh* --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen > Hi Bjarne, > > I have been chatting with others on a different list on fine linen recently, so your news is rather sad to hear. We are searching for that elusive fine linen. > > However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine 2.8 oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. > http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm > 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35" wide, $14.50/yd. > WLG 112 Please specify white (below) or off-white > > He claims it "is some of the finest commercially produced today. At 55 threads to the inch it is also tightly woven." (~ 22 threads per cm, if my math is right.) He also calls it cambric. I don't know how fine your kammerdug was, but does this come close? He does send swatches upon request, as he just sent me 4 of different types of fine linen. > > The linen to my hand is a bit crisp, and not as soft as other handkerchief weights I have samples of, but it feels smooth. However, I am no expert on linens, so I don't know how fine they can get. I am still learning. > > It may be worth a look for you. > > Kimiko > > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I just wondered if some of you have had the same experienses. > I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug (very > fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that > this no longer is made. > I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown > with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. > The only substitute they have is a linnen with 14 threads pr. centimeter, > but thats not as fine as the old kammerdug. > Blast! > > Bjarne > > > > --------------------------------- > Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:38:34 +0000 From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit/London shows To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061128073348.033fadd8@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:26 28/11/2006, you wrote: >WAAAAAH!!!!! I didn't get to go:( > >Is the book on the collection really good? It's terrific - do you want me to get you one? I got you postcards! The book was a bit heavy to carry with me through the Velasquez exhibition we did on the same day, especially as I had one for me! You will know a lot of the pictures, but there are some that are not readily available on the Internet. If anyone is coming to London in the next few months there are several new exhibitions due - one I am particularly looking forward to is "Canaletto in England" (I think) at the Dulwich Picture Gallery. I can check the others if anyone is interested. Suzi ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 03:57:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <20061128115732.23507.qmail@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Bjarne. Why don't you talk to the nice woman who used to run Broderi Antik in Copenhagen. She had the most amazing "kammerdug" of which I had a meter. Still do. Afraid ot even look at it. She might be able to help you. Her email is elmbak@broderiantik.com Tania Kimiko Small wrote: Hi Bjarne, I have been chatting with others on a different list on fine linen recently, so your news is rather sad to hear. We are searching for that elusive fine linen. However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine 2.8 oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35” wide, $14.50/yd. WLG 112 Please specify white (below) or off-white He claims it "is some of the finest commercially produced today. At 55 threads to the inch it is also tightly woven." (~ 22 threads per cm, if my math is right.) He also calls it cambric. I don't know how fine your kammerdug was, but does this come close? He does send swatches upon request, as he just sent me 4 of different types of fine linen. The linen to my hand is a bit crisp, and not as soft as other handkerchief weights I have samples of, but it feels smooth. However, I am no expert on linens, so I don't know how fine they can get. I am still learning. It may be worth a look for you. Kimiko Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, I just wondered if some of you have had the same experienses. I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug (very fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that this no longer is made. I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. The only substitute they have is a linnen with 14 threads pr. centimeter, but thats not as fine as the old kammerdug. Blast! Bjarne --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Dec 2006 14:27:40 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I have some very fine linen that I got years ago at an estate sale. I have to wonder if it's the same stuff that's being discussed. It's so sheer that I can read through it when it's laid on a page. It has *no* slubs and has a crisp body. I did burn and bleach tests on it and it's 100% linen. The 4 yard piece has a single stamp. It's a circular with words that are Scandinavian (I think). The only thing that I could wish is that it was white instead of cream. But it was an incredible price - only $4 for the piece. It's safely tucked away (read: I was so clever at tucking it away, I cannot lay my hands on it right now!) waiting for me to decide what to do with it. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Page" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen Hi Kimiko and Bjarne, I am very familiar with this linen, I am betting my boots this is the same supplier I use. 2.8 oz is about as fine as you are going to get it. I have bolts of both the Czech linen (which is what this Draper is selling) and the Belgian, which is much wider but also *much* finer quality. This largely competes with the Italian, but better priced. (Belgian is running at about $36.00 CAD cost, Italian is about $100.00 per yard at COST- eek!) Kammerdug, I understand translates to lawm or lawn, which I believe is a shade heavier than cambric. The yardage that Kimiko showed is lighter yet than Kammerdug. Doing a little looking around, lawm tends to be placed into a similar category as organdy. You will find Batiste and voile in this family of weaves as well. Between the two (Czech and Belgian) Czech is good, but as you mentioned, crisper. By comparison, the flaws are a little more noticable as well. There is some slubbiness to it. The Belgian doesn't have a slub larger than a pin head in the entire yardage. The Belgian is also qualified as "museum quality" and restoration shops use it for their work. (I found this out because my first order from the supplier was erroneously redirected to one of them!) Something else I have found out in my pursuit of the perfect linen: the price. YIKES! It's shot up! I was told the reason for this was because the flax seed and oil industry is more lucrative than the linen textile, and because they cannot harvest both the stalk and the seed and reap the income from both, many farmers have opted to follow their pocket books and not let the stalks mature into useable plants for the textile industry. This of course creates a supply and demand problem, quickly filtering down to the end user. I can get this linen for you, I have a wholesale account. I just need to gather orders because I just can't keep this stuff in stock and they require a minimum purchase. But, if you want to keep some in stock for yourself, this is definitely the way to go. I may in time start stocking it, but I have to get some income rolling in another easier to sell department - I have a wholesale account for Eterna Silks as well. I will be selling their stranded silk flosses, other lines as the demand sees fit. Kathy We are searching for that elusive fine linen. However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine 2.8 oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35” wide, $14.50/yd. I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug (very fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that this no longer is made. I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 ----- Original Message ---- From: "h-costume-request@indra.com" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:59:10 AM Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 744 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: kyoto stays again (AlbertCat@aol.com) 2. WildThang2005 has invited you to FREE 3D avatar chat on IMVU (WildThang2005) 3. Re: Holbein exhibit (Dawn) 4. Re: a question about museums (Bjarne og Leif Drews) 5. kammerdug/linnen (Bjarne og Leif Drews) 6. RE: a question about museums (Wanda Pease) 7. Re: Holbein exhibit (Suzi Clarke) 8. RE: Holbein exhibit (Anne Moeller) 9. Re: kammerdug/linnen (Kimiko Small) 10. Re: kammerdug/linnen (Sue Clemenger) 11. RE: Holbein exhibit/London shows (Suzi Clarke) 12. Re: kammerdug/linnen (Tania Gruning) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:56:55 EST From: AlbertCat@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] kyoto stays again To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 11/25/2006 8:43:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com writes: First off, yup, I agree with you, they are a bit too big around the bust. I think you could take them in along the side front curve and that would work nicely. It may also push her breasts together a bit, giving her more cleavage. I have a question though...Is she wearing them with a bra in that photo? If she is, it will throw off your fitting entirely. She should have a chemise to wear underneath, that's all, then the stays can do their own work. This may also be why she believes they fit her. ********************************************* Greetings....I hope everyone had a great holiday....those who had holidays....hell, and those who didn't! Beautiful stays, of course, Bjarne. I would take in the bust area in bits at several places, At the side AND the CF....and even somewhere in-between if possible, but that would require re-cutting the whole front after altering the pattern. And the decolletage may need to be lowered an inch or so. And a fitting sans bra may release and free her bust to fill the front of the corset more. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:22:49 -0800 From: "WildThang2005" Subject: [h-cost] WildThang2005 has invited you to FREE 3D avatar chat on IMVU To: "h-costume@indra.com" Message-ID: <200611272022.kARKMn9K016144@AF001122.prod.imvu.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" WildThang2005 (wildthangstreasures@yahoo.com) has sent you this invitation to chat in 3D. Hi, I just downloaded IMVU 3D messenger, the cool new instant messaging software with 3D animated avatars. Let's try it out together. Basic membership is free, and it takes about a minute to create your own custom 3D avatar. IMVU is a FREE 3D instant messaging software download. It's an easy way to chat with friends and meet new people. Build a customized, animated 3D identity from over 200,000 user created options. Decorate your Avatar home page with stickers and powerful editing tools. 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You are receiving this email because someone who knows you sent you an invitation to join them on imvu.com.  If you want to prevent any future e-mail from IMVU, you can remove yourself from by pointing your web browser to http://www.imvu.com/catalog/web_nonregisteredoptout.php?code=33c1d5&email=h-costume@indra.com.  Your opt-out confirmation code is 33c1d5 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:47:54 -0600 From: Dawn Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <456B792A.1010706@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Kimiko Small wrote: > Thank you Janet for sharing this. > > I see that there is a book on the collection, Holbein in England. Has > anyone here seen the book, and is it worth getting for those rarely seen > images, like the ones that for copyright restriction is not on the > website? > I saw the exhibit this weekend, and got this book. I agree with Suzi, it has excellent images, many full-page and very clearly reproduced. It has all the images (I think) and yes, there are a bunch of sketches and some portraits not usually reproduced in other books. There's also a good selection of non-portrait works, designs for jewelry and covered cups and such. > And looking at Amazon.com, I see the author, Susan Foister, has another > book that is thicker > Holbein and England (Paul Mellon Centre for Studies) > Does anyone know of any details on this book? It's like the catalogue, but I believe it covers all of Holbein, not just his years in England. It's at least two inches thick. I thought about getting it, but it was expensive and I thought it might put me over my luggage weight limit (no kidding!). Dawn ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:58:07 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: Re: [h-cost] a question about museums To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <000401c7125e$5cd99e60$8e14a150@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi, Yes you are right, i went to the museums website and they do have a photographer there, but i would have to pay him, and that would be expensive. Perhaps i could travel to Gotland for the same money. I got the feeling that the museum would not mind me photographing the stays. These stays are some of the most beautifull i have seen, very plain, but beautifull craftmanship. Grey linnen with blue tiny tapes at the seams. And besides this is very unusual dated from 1760-80 because it has a boatshaped neckline, with tied shoulderstraps off the shoulders. I have ben thinking i would send Ian the staymaker a copy of the photo from the book, because it is so beautifull. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] a question about museums >A lot of times it's pricey because they don't have a professional > photographer on staff and to have one come in and do a set-up just for > one object costs them a lot. > > Kate > 609-570-3584 > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:19 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] a question about museums > > Museums are kinda weird this way. The Phoenix Art Museum for instance > has > no photograph what so ever of the portrait of the dress I am > recreating......you'd think they'd photograph everything just for > insurance > purposes. > > I'd contact the museum. Often, they will photograph the article if you > are > willing to pay for it. It can be pricey. The Norton Simon Museum > offered > to do this for me on a particular portrait. They wanted $100 6 years > ago. > > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:59:21 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen To: Message-ID: <000e01c71277$ae5a2520$2de73f50@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi, I just wondered if some of you have had the same experienses. I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug (very fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that this no longer is made. I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. The only substitute they have is a linnen with 14 threads pr. centimeter, but thats not as fine as the old kammerdug. Blast! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:17:47 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" Subject: RE: [h-cost] a question about museums To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Goodness Gracious but I seem to be putting out a lot of grumpy posts lately. Museums and many "collections" make the money to allow them to be open at all from public donations, a tax stipend, or ticket sales. All of these come out of the public pocket. Those who will not allow a member of that public to take their own pictures without paying the high prices of a "professional" strike me as a bit "dog in the manger" types (sorry Bjarne, it's one of the Aesop tales - I'm sure it's familiar to you with different wording). When I took pictures in the Museum of Munich of the various garments on display the only thing that they required is that I not utilize a tripod or a flash. The guard in each room asked me to demonstrate that I had the flash "off" before I could take pictures in his room. That way the pieces were not being exposed to any more light than they ever were. I had two cameras with me. One was a regular Pentax camera with 1600 ASA film, but no flash attachment (he seemed to be a bit puzzled by that, I'm not sure he'd seen a film camera before) and a 5Megabyte Sony (?). I knew how to turn the flash on and off, something that too many idiot tourists didn't, or couldn't see why THEY should be restricted by such rules. Something I doubt that any on this list would give them a hassle about. My non flash pictures with the film camera came out better than I could actually see the items, which were kept in fairly dim rooms. I know that someone is going to point out that the money the museum earns from photographic reprints is a large part of their budget. This is all very well, but the pictures and other works of art and history are not THEIRS. They are caring for them for the people. Well, I'm one of the people too! If it weren't for me and people like me the items would be used to cover cabbages to keep them from frost. Civil Servant (I'm One) does not equate to Civil Master. The things in museums are financed with your money! Therefore it is not unreasonable for you to be allowed to photograph an item very carefully so that possibly hundreds of people could share your information and not just the few that manage to come through "their museum" every year! On the other hand I have been able to make arrangements with museums and libraries in Germany and England and have them fall all over themselves to help me get exactly what I wanted and allowed me to distribute as many copies as I wanted (free, of course) as long as I mentioned them, and gave their address. Wanda > > Hi, > Yes you are right, i went to the museums website and they do have a > photographer there, but i would have to pay him, and that would be > expensive. Perhaps i could travel to Gotland for the same money. > I got the > feeling that the museum would not mind me photographing the stays. > These stays are some of the most beautifull i have seen, very plain, but > beautifull craftmanship. Grey linnen with blue tiny tapes at the > seams. And > besides this is very unusual dated from 1760-80 because it has a > boatshaped > neckline, with tied shoulderstraps off the shoulders. > I have ben thinking i would send Ian the staymaker a copy of the > photo from > the book, because it is so beautifull. > > Bjarne > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:18:00 +0000 From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061128001625.033e09a0@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 23:47 27/11/2006, you wrote: >Kimiko Small wrote: >>Thank you Janet for sharing this. >> I see that there is a book on the collection, Holbein in >> England. Has anyone here seen the book, and is it worth getting >> for those rarely seen images, like the ones that for copyright >> restriction is not on the website? >> > >I saw the exhibit this weekend, and got this book. I agree with >Suzi, it has excellent images, many full-page and very clearly >reproduced. It has all the images (I think) and yes, there are a >bunch of sketches and some portraits not usually reproduced in other >books. There's also a good selection of non-portrait works, designs >for jewelry and covered cups and such. > >> And looking at Amazon.com, I see the author, Susan Foister, has >> another book that is thicker >> Holbein and England (Paul Mellon Centre for Studies) >> Does anyone know of any details on this book? > >It's like the catalogue, but I believe it covers all of Holbein, not >just his years in England. It's at least two inches thick. I thought >about getting it, but it was expensive and I thought it might put me >over my luggage weight limit (no kidding!). Glad you got to see the exhibit. Did you take as long as us, or were you able to drag yourself away? I just love those drawings - so much detail, and so much more "real" than the oil paintings. Suzi ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:26:59 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-ID: <009f01c7129d$10911ee0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" WAAAAAH!!!!! I didn't get to go:( Is the book on the collection really good? Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:18 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit At 23:47 27/11/2006, you wrote: >Kimiko Small wrote: >>Thank you Janet for sharing this. >> I see that there is a book on the collection, Holbein in >> England. Has anyone here seen the book, and is it worth getting >> for those rarely seen images, like the ones that for copyright >> restriction is not on the website? >> > >I saw the exhibit this weekend, and got this book. I agree with >Suzi, it has excellent images, many full-page and very clearly >reproduced. It has all the images (I think) and yes, there are a >bunch of sketches and some portraits not usually reproduced in other >books. There's also a good selection of non-portrait works, designs >for jewelry and covered cups and such. > >> And looking at Amazon.com, I see the author, Susan Foister, has >> another book that is thicker >> Holbein and England (Paul Mellon Centre for Studies) >> Does anyone know of any details on this book? > >It's like the catalogue, but I believe it covers all of Holbein, not >just his years in England. It's at least two inches thick. I thought >about getting it, but it was expensive and I thought it might put me >over my luggage weight limit (no kidding!). Glad you got to see the exhibit. Did you take as long as us, or were you able to drag yourself away? I just love those drawings - so much detail, and so much more "real" than the oil paintings. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:50:52 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <970960.68830.qm@web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Bjarne, I have been chatting with others on a different list on fine linen recently, so your news is rather sad to hear. We are searching for that elusive fine linen. However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine 2.8 oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35” wide, $14.50/yd. WLG 112 Please specify white (below) or off-white He claims it "is some of the finest commercially produced today. At 55 threads to the inch it is also tightly woven." (~ 22 threads per cm, if my math is right.) He also calls it cambric. I don't know how fine your kammerdug was, but does this come close? He does send swatches upon request, as he just sent me 4 of different types of fine linen. The linen to my hand is a bit crisp, and not as soft as other handkerchief weights I have samples of, but it feels smooth. However, I am no expert on linens, so I don't know how fine they can get. I am still learning. It may be worth a look for you. Kimiko Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, I just wondered if some of you have had the same experienses. I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug (very fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that this no longer is made. I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. The only substitute they have is a linnen with 14 threads pr. centimeter, but thats not as fine as the old kammerdug. Blast! Bjarne --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:27:34 -0700 From: "Sue Clemenger" Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <003a01c712b6$4b466180$c1bfa6d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have the remnants (carefully hoarded) of two bolts of a cotton/linen blend that has a thread count of roughly 60/inch. Better, it's evenweave, same count in both directions. It is, too date (after almost 20 years in the SCA) the finest linen or linen approximation I have personally seen for sale. *sigh* --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen > Hi Bjarne, > > I have been chatting with others on a different list on fine linen recently, so your news is rather sad to hear. We are searching for that elusive fine linen. > > However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine 2.8 oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. > http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm > 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35" wide, $14.50/yd. > WLG 112 Please specify white (below) or off-white > > He claims it "is some of the finest commercially produced today. At 55 threads to the inch it is also tightly woven." (~ 22 threads per cm, if my math is right.) He also calls it cambric. I don't know how fine your kammerdug was, but does this come close? He does send swatches upon request, as he just sent me 4 of different types of fine linen. > > The linen to my hand is a bit crisp, and not as soft as other handkerchief weights I have samples of, but it feels smooth. However, I am no expert on linens, so I don't know how fine they can get. I am still learning. > > It may be worth a look for you. > > Kimiko > > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I just wondered if some of you have had the same experienses. > I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug (very > fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that > this no longer is made. > I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown > with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. > The only substitute they have is a linnen with 14 threads pr. centimeter, > but thats not as fine as the old kammerdug. > Blast! > > Bjarne > > > > --------------------------------- > Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:38:34 +0000 From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit/London shows To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061128073348.033fadd8@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:26 28/11/2006, you wrote: >WAAAAAH!!!!! I didn't get to go:( > >Is the book on the collection really good? It's terrific - do you want me to get you one? I got you postcards! The book was a bit heavy to carry with me through the Velasquez exhibition we did on the same day, especially as I had one for me! You will know a lot of the pictures, but there are some that are not readily available on the Internet. If anyone is coming to London in the next few months there are several new exhibitions due - one I am particularly looking forward to is "Canaletto in England" (I think) at the Dulwich Picture Gallery. I can check the others if anyone is interested. Suzi ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 03:57:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <20061128115732.23507.qmail@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Bjarne. Why don't you talk to the nice woman who used to run Broderi Antik in Copenhagen. She had the most amazing "kammerdug" of which I had a meter. Still do. Afraid ot even look at it. She might be able to help you. Her email is elmbak@broderiantik.com Tania Kimiko Small wrote: Hi Bjarne, I have been chatting with others on a different list on fine linen recently, so your news is rather sad to hear. We are searching for that elusive fine linen. However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine 2.8 oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35” wide, $14.50/yd. WLG 112 Please specify white (below) or off-white He claims it "is some of the finest commercially produced today. At 55 threads to the inch it is also tightly woven." (~ 22 threads per cm, if my math is right.) He also calls it cambric. I don't know how fine your kammerdug was, but does this come close? He does send swatches upon request, as he just sent me 4 of different types of fine linen. The linen to my hand is a bit crisp, and not as soft as other handkerchief weights I have samples of, but it feels smooth. However, I am no expert on linens, so I don't know how fine they can get. I am still learning. It may be worth a look for you. Kimiko Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, I just wondered if some of you have had the same experienses. I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug (very fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that this no longer is made. I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. The only substitute they have is a linnen with 14 threads pr. centimeter, but thats not as fine as the old kammerdug. Blast! Bjarne --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 2 16:21:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB2LLTjw014242 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 16:21:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB2LLPxY006405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 16:21:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB2LKL8k050451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 14:20:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB2LKKDf023891; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 14:20:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB2LKH0x023771 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 14:20:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 46217 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2006 21:20:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.245.45 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2006 21:20:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Z1Tvn74VM1mXzmvGUCqmKtuE3pCms4RXSSzFm8b_AdgDC79XPg5cNlkhlMH4jPkMREVqFiHpZc_dyaLJJ9oaZcWe9U_vGjJFXAEzmvxUuzJEMtqDaCnoRIA- Message-ID: <005901c71657$a1106300$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002c01c7079c$d47e2d40$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <455A08AE.30601@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questionable color Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 16:19:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1d8b50ee-8c89-40d2-9061-480c3cf49793 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4571EE55.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Dec 2006 16:21:29 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I don't think so...with an organdy collar. Have a lot of mags from this period. I will stry to do some mor checking. Kathleen----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questionable color > Penny Ladnier wrote: > >> I am working on a 1916 designers' fashion catalog. I am not sure if >> something is a color or not. Please read the following ladies' dress >> description and let me know if you think porpoise is a color or what. >> The color "dove" is not capitalized when used as a color name. But the >> word "Porpoise" is. >> >> DESCRIPTION: >> "Dove" colored gabardine, with trimmings of navy blue. "Porpoise" skin >> silk. Vest and collar of white organdy. Smoke pearl buttons and buckle. >> Coat of navy blue "Porpoise" skin silk. Collar and cuffs of "dove" >> gabardine. > > My first thought was that it sounded like a type or texture of silk... but > my gut tells me it's some kind of waterproofed outer wear fabric that's > being used for this coat. Like Goretex. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 2 16:21:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB2LLYki014249 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 16:21:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB2LLUdt001960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 16:21:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB2LIWsW050184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 14:18:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB2LIDtt022330; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 14:18:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB2LI8AS022189 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 14:18:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061202211802.WRLC25958.fep33.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 22:18:02 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.74]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061202211800.PWRN20909.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 22:18:00 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c71657$60312db0$4a14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061128155409.89025.qmail@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> <00ea01c71647$ba4176d0$0202a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 22:18:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.20.74] at Sat, 2 Dec 2006 22:17:58 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b9a34dd7-456d-41eb-a7d0-52134f1acd2e X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4571EE5A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Dec 2006 16:21:34 -0500 (EST) Status: RO It really seems you have the same quality then. Mine is white though. Its also that skirt in revolution of fashion with the embroidered border that is haunting me........... Want to make that! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen >I have some very fine linen that I got years ago at an estate sale. I have >to wonder if it's the same stuff that's being discussed. > > It's so sheer that I can read through it when it's laid on a page. It has > *no* slubs and has a crisp body. I did burn and bleach tests on it and > it's 100% linen. The 4 yard piece has a single stamp. It's a circular with > words that are Scandinavian (I think). > > The only thing that I could wish is that it was white instead of cream. > But it was an incredible price - only $4 for the piece. It's safely > tucked away (read: I was so clever at tucking it away, I cannot lay my > hands on it right now!) waiting for me to decide what to do with it. > > kate > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Page" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:54 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen > > > Hi Kimiko and Bjarne, > > I am very familiar with this linen, I am betting my boots this is the same > supplier I use. > > 2.8 oz is about as fine as you are going to get it. I have bolts of both > the Czech linen (which is what this Draper is selling) and the Belgian, > which is much wider but also *much* finer quality. This largely competes > with the Italian, but better priced. (Belgian is running at about $36.00 > CAD cost, Italian is about $100.00 per yard at COST- eek!) > > Kammerdug, I understand translates to lawm or lawn, which I believe is a > shade heavier than cambric. The yardage that Kimiko showed is lighter yet > than Kammerdug. Doing a little looking around, lawm tends to be placed > into a similar category as organdy. You will find Batiste and voile in > this family of weaves as well. > > Between the two (Czech and Belgian) Czech is good, but as you mentioned, > crisper. By comparison, the flaws are a little more noticable as well. > There is some slubbiness to it. The Belgian doesn't have a slub larger > than a pin head in the entire yardage. The Belgian is also qualified as > "museum quality" and restoration shops use it for their work. (I found > this out because my first order from the supplier was erroneously > redirected to one of them!) > > Something else I have found out in my pursuit of the perfect linen: the > price. YIKES! It's shot up! I was told the reason for this was because the > flax seed and oil industry is more lucrative than the linen textile, and > because they cannot harvest both the stalk and the seed and reap the > income from both, many farmers have opted to follow their pocket books and > not let the stalks mature into useable plants for the textile industry. > This of course creates a supply and demand problem, quickly filtering down > to the end user. > > I can get this linen for you, I have a wholesale account. I just need to > gather orders because I just can't keep this stuff in stock and they > require a minimum purchase. But, if you want to keep some in stock for > yourself, this is definitely the way to go. I may in time start stocking > it, but I have to get some income rolling in another easier to sell > department - I have a wholesale account for Eterna Silks as well. I will > be selling their stranded silk flosses, other lines as the demand sees > fit. > > Kathy > > > We are searching for that > elusive fine linen. > > However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine 2.8 > oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. > http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm > 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35” wide, $14.50/yd. > > > I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug > (very > fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that > this no longer is made. > I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown > with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. > > > Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a > rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert > (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. > > It’s never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. > http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "h-costume-request@indra.com" > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:59:10 AM > Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 744 > > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: kyoto stays again (AlbertCat@aol.com) > 2. WildThang2005 has invited you to FREE 3D avatar chat on IMVU > (WildThang2005) > 3. Re: Holbein exhibit (Dawn) > 4. Re: a question about museums (Bjarne og Leif Drews) > 5. kammerdug/linnen (Bjarne og Leif Drews) > 6. RE: a question about museums (Wanda Pease) > 7. Re: Holbein exhibit (Suzi Clarke) > 8. RE: Holbein exhibit (Anne Moeller) > 9. Re: kammerdug/linnen (Kimiko Small) > 10. Re: kammerdug/linnen (Sue Clemenger) > 11. RE: Holbein exhibit/London shows (Suzi Clarke) > 12. Re: kammerdug/linnen (Tania Gruning) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:56:55 EST > From: AlbertCat@aol.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] kyoto stays again > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 11/25/2006 8:43:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com writes: > > First off, yup, I agree with you, they are a bit too big around the bust. > I > > think you could take them in along the side front curve and that would > work > nicely. It may also push her breasts together a bit, giving her more > cleavage. > > I have a question though...Is she wearing them with a bra in that photo? > If > she is, it will throw off your fitting entirely. She should have a > chemise > to wear underneath, that's all, then the stays can do their own work. > This > may also be why she believes they fit her. > > > > > ********************************************* > > Greetings....I hope everyone had a great holiday....those who had > holidays....hell, and those who didn't! > > Beautiful stays, of course, Bjarne. I would take in the bust area in bits > at > several places, At the side AND the CF....and even somewhere in-between if > possible, but that would require re-cutting the whole front after altering > the > pattern. And the decolletage may need to be lowered an inch or so. > And a fitting sans bra may release and free her bust to fill the front of > the corset more. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:22:49 -0800 > From: "WildThang2005" > Subject: [h-cost] WildThang2005 has invited you to FREE 3D avatar chat > on IMVU > To: "h-costume@indra.com" > Message-ID: <200611272022.kARKMn9K016144@AF001122.prod.imvu.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > WildThang2005 (wildthangstreasures@yahoo.com) has sent you this > invitation to chat in 3D. Hi, I just downloaded IMVU 3D messenger, the > cool new instant messaging software with 3D animated avatars. Let's try it > out together. Basic membership is free, and it takes about a minute to > create your own custom 3D avatar. IMVU is a FREE 3D instant > messaging software download. It's an easy way to chat with friends and > meet new people. Build a customized, animated 3D identity from over > 200,000 user created options. Decorate your Avatar home page with > stickers and powerful editing tools. Have fun exploring cool 3D locations > and animating your avatar! It's free, and doesn't take long to set > up. Sign up now! If you have questions about IMVU or would like to > contact us, please visit our website http://www.imvu.com > Your buddy WildThang2005 (wildthangstreasures@yahoo.com) has invited you > to chat in 3D! > ! > > IMVU is the worlds greatest 3D instant messenger! Get IMVU now! You are > receiving this email because someone who knows you sent you an invitation > to join them on imvu.com.  If you want to prevent any future e-mail > from IMVU, you can remove yourself from by pointing your web browser to > http://www.imvu.com/catalog/web_nonregisteredoptout.php?code=33c1d5&email=h-costume@indra.com.  > Your opt-out confirmation code is 33c1d5 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:47:54 -0600 > From: Dawn > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <456B792A.1010706@reddawn.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Kimiko Small wrote: >> Thank you Janet for sharing this. >> >> I see that there is a book on the collection, Holbein in England. Has >> anyone here seen the book, and is it worth getting for those rarely seen >> images, like the ones that for copyright restriction is not on the >> website? >> > > I saw the exhibit this weekend, and got this book. I agree with Suzi, it > has excellent images, many full-page and very clearly reproduced. It has > all the images (I think) and yes, there are a bunch of sketches and some > portraits not usually reproduced in other books. There's also a good > selection of non-portrait works, designs for jewelry and covered cups > and such. > >> And looking at Amazon.com, I see the author, Susan Foister, has another >> book that is thicker >> Holbein and England (Paul Mellon Centre for Studies) >> Does anyone know of any details on this book? > > It's like the catalogue, but I believe it covers all of Holbein, not > just his years in England. It's at least two inches thick. I thought > about getting it, but it was expensive and I thought it might put me > over my luggage weight limit (no kidding!). > > > > Dawn > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:58:07 +0100 > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] a question about museums > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <000401c7125e$5cd99e60$8e14a150@CPQ21932199711> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, > Yes you are right, i went to the museums website and they do have a > photographer there, but i would have to pay him, and that would be > expensive. Perhaps i could travel to Gotland for the same money. I got > the > feeling that the museum would not mind me photographing the stays. > These stays are some of the most beautifull i have seen, very plain, but > beautifull craftmanship. Grey linnen with blue tiny tapes at the seams. > And > besides this is very unusual dated from 1760-80 because it has a > boatshaped > neckline, with tied shoulderstraps off the shoulders. > I have ben thinking i would send Ian the staymaker a copy of the photo > from > the book, because it is so beautifull. > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kate Pinner" > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:04 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] a question about museums > > >>A lot of times it's pricey because they don't have a professional >> photographer on staff and to have one come in and do a set-up just for >> one object costs them a lot. >> >> Kate >> 609-570-3584 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] >> On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf >> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:19 AM >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Subject: RE: [h-cost] a question about museums >> >> Museums are kinda weird this way. The Phoenix Art Museum for instance >> has >> no photograph what so ever of the portrait of the dress I am >> recreating......you'd think they'd photograph everything just for >> insurance >> purposes. >> >> I'd contact the museum. Often, they will photograph the article if you >> are >> willing to pay for it. It can be pricey. The Norton Simon Museum >> offered >> to do this for me on a particular portrait. They wanted $100 6 years >> ago. >> >> >> Sg >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:59:21 +0100 > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Subject: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen > To: > Message-ID: <000e01c71277$ae5a2520$2de73f50@CPQ21932199711> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, > I just wondered if some of you have had the same experienses. > I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug > (very > fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that > this no longer is made. > I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown > with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. > The only substitute they have is a linnen with 14 threads pr. centimeter, > but thats not as fine as the old kammerdug. > Blast! > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:17:47 -0800 > From: "Wanda Pease" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] a question about museums > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Goodness Gracious but I seem to be putting out a lot of grumpy posts > lately. > > Museums and many "collections" make the money to allow them to be open at > all from public donations, a tax stipend, or ticket sales. All of these > come out of the public pocket. Those who will not allow a member of that > public to take their own pictures without paying the high prices of a > "professional" strike me as a bit "dog in the manger" types (sorry Bjarne, > it's one of the Aesop tales - I'm sure it's familiar to you with different > wording). When I took pictures in the Museum of Munich of the various > garments on display the only thing that they required is that I not > utilize > a tripod or a flash. The guard in each room asked me to demonstrate that > I > had the flash "off" before I could take pictures in his room. That way > the > pieces were not being exposed to any more light than they ever were. I > had > two cameras with me. One was a regular Pentax camera with 1600 ASA film, > but no flash attachment (he seemed to be a bit puzzled by that, I'm not > sure > he'd seen a film camera before) and a 5Megabyte Sony (?). I knew how to > turn the flash on and off, something that too many idiot tourists didn't, > or > couldn't see why THEY should be restricted by such rules. Something I > doubt > that any on this list would give them a hassle about. > > My non flash pictures with the film camera came out better than I could > actually see the items, which were kept in fairly dim rooms. > > I know that someone is going to point out that the money the museum earns > from photographic reprints is a large part of their budget. This is all > very well, but the pictures and other works of art and history are not > THEIRS. They are caring for them for the people. Well, I'm one of the > people too! If it weren't for me and people like me the items would be > used > to cover cabbages to keep them from frost. > > Civil Servant (I'm One) does not equate to Civil Master. The things in > museums are financed with your money! Therefore it is not unreasonable > for > you to be allowed to photograph an item very carefully so that possibly > hundreds of people could share your information and not just the few that > manage to come through "their museum" every year! > > On the other hand I have been able to make arrangements with museums and > libraries in Germany and England and have them fall all over themselves to > help me get exactly what I wanted and allowed me to distribute as many > copies as I wanted (free, of course) as long as I mentioned them, and gave > their address. > > Wanda >> >> Hi, >> Yes you are right, i went to the museums website and they do have a >> photographer there, but i would have to pay him, and that would be >> expensive. Perhaps i could travel to Gotland for the same money. >> I got the >> feeling that the museum would not mind me photographing the stays. >> These stays are some of the most beautifull i have seen, very plain, but >> beautifull craftmanship. Grey linnen with blue tiny tapes at the >> seams. And >> besides this is very unusual dated from 1760-80 because it has a >> boatshaped >> neckline, with tied shoulderstraps off the shoulders. >> I have ben thinking i would send Ian the staymaker a copy of the >> photo from >> the book, because it is so beautifull. >> >> Bjarne >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:18:00 +0000 > From: Suzi Clarke > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061128001625.033e09a0@suziclarke.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 23:47 27/11/2006, you wrote: >>Kimiko Small wrote: >>>Thank you Janet for sharing this. >>> I see that there is a book on the collection, Holbein in >>> England. Has anyone here seen the book, and is it worth getting >>> for those rarely seen images, like the ones that for copyright >>> restriction is not on the website? >>> >> >>I saw the exhibit this weekend, and got this book. I agree with >>Suzi, it has excellent images, many full-page and very clearly >>reproduced. It has all the images (I think) and yes, there are a >>bunch of sketches and some portraits not usually reproduced in other >>books. There's also a good selection of non-portrait works, designs >>for jewelry and covered cups and such. >> >>> And looking at Amazon.com, I see the author, Susan Foister, has >>> another book that is thicker >>> Holbein and England (Paul Mellon Centre for Studies) >>> Does anyone know of any details on this book? >> >>It's like the catalogue, but I believe it covers all of Holbein, not >>just his years in England. It's at least two inches thick. I thought >>about getting it, but it was expensive and I thought it might put me >>over my luggage weight limit (no kidding!). > > Glad you got to see the exhibit. Did you take as long as us, or were > you able to drag yourself away? I just love those drawings - so much > detail, and so much more "real" than the oil paintings. > > Suzi > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:26:59 -0500 > From: "Anne Moeller" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Message-ID: <009f01c7129d$10911ee0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > WAAAAAH!!!!! I didn't get to go:( > > Is the book on the collection really good? > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Suzi Clarke > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:18 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit > > At 23:47 27/11/2006, you wrote: >>Kimiko Small wrote: >>>Thank you Janet for sharing this. >>> I see that there is a book on the collection, Holbein in >>> England. Has anyone here seen the book, and is it worth getting >>> for those rarely seen images, like the ones that for copyright >>> restriction is not on the website? >>> >> >>I saw the exhibit this weekend, and got this book. I agree with >>Suzi, it has excellent images, many full-page and very clearly >>reproduced. It has all the images (I think) and yes, there are a >>bunch of sketches and some portraits not usually reproduced in other >>books. There's also a good selection of non-portrait works, designs >>for jewelry and covered cups and such. >> >>> And looking at Amazon.com, I see the author, Susan Foister, has >>> another book that is thicker >>> Holbein and England (Paul Mellon Centre for Studies) >>> Does anyone know of any details on this book? >> >>It's like the catalogue, but I believe it covers all of Holbein, not >>just his years in England. It's at least two inches thick. I thought >>about getting it, but it was expensive and I thought it might put me >>over my luggage weight limit (no kidding!). > > Glad you got to see the exhibit. Did you take as long as us, or were > you able to drag yourself away? I just love those drawings - so much > detail, and so much more "real" than the oil paintings. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: > 11/27/2006 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/555 - Release Date: > 11/27/2006 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:50:52 -0800 (PST) > From: Kimiko Small > Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <970960.68830.qm@web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Bjarne, > > I have been chatting with others on a different list on fine linen > recently, so your news is rather sad to hear. We are searching for that > elusive fine linen. > > However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine 2.8 > oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. > http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm > 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35” wide, $14.50/yd. > WLG 112 Please specify white (below) or off-white > > He claims it "is some of the finest commercially produced today. At 55 > threads to the inch it is also tightly woven." (~ 22 threads per cm, if my > math is right.) He also calls it cambric. I don't know how fine your > kammerdug was, but does this come close? He does send swatches upon > request, as he just sent me 4 of different types of fine linen. > > The linen to my hand is a bit crisp, and not as soft as other > handkerchief weights I have samples of, but it feels smooth. However, I am > no expert on linens, so I don't know how fine they can get. I am still > learning. > > It may be worth a look for you. > > Kimiko > > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I just wondered if some of you have had the same experienses. > I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug > (very > fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that > this no longer is made. > I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown > with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. > The only substitute they have is a linnen with 14 threads pr. centimeter, > but thats not as fine as the old kammerdug. > Blast! > > Bjarne > > > > --------------------------------- > Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and > get things done faster. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:27:34 -0700 > From: "Sue Clemenger" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <003a01c712b6$4b466180$c1bfa6d8@pavilion> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have the remnants (carefully hoarded) of two bolts of a cotton/linen > blend > that has a thread count of roughly 60/inch. Better, it's evenweave, same > count in both directions. It is, too date (after almost 20 years in the > SCA) the finest linen or linen approximation I have personally seen for > sale. *sigh* > --Sue > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kimiko Small" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen > > >> Hi Bjarne, >> >> I have been chatting with others on a different list on fine linen > recently, so your news is rather sad to hear. We are searching for that > elusive fine linen. >> >> However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine > 2.8 oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. >> http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm >> 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35" wide, $14.50/yd. >> WLG 112 Please specify white (below) or off-white >> >> He claims it "is some of the finest commercially produced today. At 55 > threads to the inch it is also tightly woven." (~ 22 threads per cm, if my > math is right.) He also calls it cambric. I don't know how fine your > kammerdug was, but does this come close? He does send swatches upon > request, > as he just sent me 4 of different types of fine linen. >> >> The linen to my hand is a bit crisp, and not as soft as other > handkerchief weights I have samples of, but it feels smooth. However, I am > no expert on linens, so I don't know how fine they can get. I am still > learning. >> >> It may be worth a look for you. >> >> Kimiko >> >> >> Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> Hi, >> I just wondered if some of you have had the same experienses. >> I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug > (very >> fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that >> this no longer is made. >> I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown >> with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. >> The only substitute they have is a linnen with 14 threads pr. centimeter, >> but thats not as fine as the old kammerdug. >> Blast! >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email >> and > get things done faster. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:38:34 +0000 > From: Suzi Clarke > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Holbein exhibit/London shows > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061128073348.033fadd8@suziclarke.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 03:26 28/11/2006, you wrote: >>WAAAAAH!!!!! I didn't get to go:( >> >>Is the book on the collection really good? > > It's terrific - do you want me to get you one? I got you postcards! > The book was a bit heavy to carry with me through the Velasquez > exhibition we did on the same day, especially as I had one for me! > You will know a lot of the pictures, but there are some that are not > readily available on the Internet. > > If anyone is coming to London in the next few months there are > several new exhibitions due - one I am particularly looking forward > to is "Canaletto in England" (I think) at the Dulwich Picture > Gallery. I can check the others if anyone is interested. > > Suzi > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 03:57:32 -0800 (PST) > From: Tania Gruning > Subject: Re: [h-cost] kammerdug/linnen > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <20061128115732.23507.qmail@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Bjarne. > > Why don't you talk to the nice woman who used to run Broderi Antik in > Copenhagen. > She had the most amazing "kammerdug" of which I had a meter. Still do. > Afraid ot even look at it. She might be able to help you. > Her email is elmbak@broderiantik.com > > > Tania > > Kimiko Small wrote: > Hi Bjarne, > > I have been chatting with others on a different list on fine linen > recently, so your news is rather sad to hear. We are searching for that > elusive fine linen. > > However, there is at least one site I know of a draper who sells fine 2.8 > oz (~ 79.38 grams) linen. > http://wmboothdraper.com/Linen/linens_index.htm > 100% white handkerchief linen, 2.8 oz., 35” wide, $14.50/yd. > WLG 112 Please specify white (below) or off-white > > He claims it "is some of the finest commercially produced today. At 55 > threads to the inch it is also tightly woven." (~ 22 threads per cm, if my > math is right.) He also calls it cambric. I don't know how fine your > kammerdug was, but does this come close? He does send swatches upon > request, as he just sent me 4 of different types of fine linen. > > The linen to my hand is a bit crisp, and not as soft as other handkerchief > weights I have samples of, but it feels smooth. However, I am no expert on > linens, so I don't know how fine they can get. I am still learning. > > It may be worth a look for you. > > Kimiko > > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I just wondered if some of you have had the same experienses. > I contakted the danish handicraft guild to enquire to their kammerdug > (very > fine handkerchief linnen) and was quite surprised to hear from them that > this no longer is made. > I had baught from them about 10 years ago when i made a christening gown > with bobbin lace. And i wanted more for a gentlemans shirt. > The only substitute they have is a linnen with 14 threads pr. centimeter, > but thats not as fine as the old kammerdug. > Blast! > > Bjarne > > > > --------------------------------- > Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and > get things done faster. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Cheap Talk? 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Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 2 22:30:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB33Un4o024782 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 22:30:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB33Ujlb026791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 22:30:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB33UOQ9000169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 20:30:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB33UMev069632; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 20:30:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB33UIJZ069536 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 20:30:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0J9O002EDHQ9FGG1@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 22:30:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 22:29:59 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] striped skirt In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5f971c6b-b7e9-49bb-b865-181c15956bc2 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457244E5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Dec 2006 22:30:49 -0500 (EST) Status: RO People wore stripes and checks during the 16th C. Check out the paintings of Sofanisba Angiusola (sp) Monica (Catriona in SCA) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of TeaRoseS@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:18 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] striped skirt _http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Dance1565.jpg_ (http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Dance1565.jpg) Just an idle question here -- in the image above, the woman with her back turned to us has a skirt that appears to be striped. Would this be a brocaded or patterned fabric of some sort, or an embellishment like embroidery or couching? Or is it artistic license? I haven't seen a skirt like that on a realistic 16th century person before (only allegorical or "foreigners"), but then these seem to be Italians, and I don't do Italian (not yet, anyway). Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 2 23:13:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB34D6VW025874 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 23:13:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB34D25V019337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 23:13:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB34CDjI005485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB34CB15093978; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB34C7FL093917 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1Gqihx2xZi-0003yT; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 23:12:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c71691$2b633760$6500a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002c01c7079c$d47e2d40$6400a8c0@momlaptop><455A08AE.30601@reddawn.net> <005901c71657$a1106300$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questionable color Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 23:11:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=33% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7eeaf006-c1ca-4d1f-990e-a8ebba9fea5c X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45724ECE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 2 23:21:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB34LLwC026036 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 23:21:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB34LHhR002704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 23:21:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB34KXsH006571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:20:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB34KUIj098972; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:20:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB34KQ73098871 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:20:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.ce3.4a62102 (42808) for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 23:20:18 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 23:20:15 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 3 00:13:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB35D6db027384 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 00:13:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB35D2Kk012483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 00:13:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB35CVmE013361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Dec 2006 22:12:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB35CUbd029831; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 22:12:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.mx.voyager.net (mail2.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB35CQ0L029791 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 22:12:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mdcarey@compuserve.com) Received: from mdcarey (d6.as0.cntn.oh.core.com [216.196.3.7]) by mail2.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id kB35BVcB064480 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 00:12:27 -0500 (EST) From: mdcarey@compuserve.com To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 00:10:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <457215FC.23667.2A34C1A@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200612022118.kB2LIEIW022340@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Description: Mail message body X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: kammerdug/linnen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7dc3179e-6d02-4722-9b50-4d3cf8b4932a X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45725CDE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Maria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 3 03:37:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB38bKVj001252 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 03:37:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB38bGlO001837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 03:37:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB38ZIpL039286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 01:35:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB38ZCAq042275; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 01:35:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB38Z6Pj042144 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 01:35:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 14005 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2006 08:35:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=klXAMogthEOvauk0Ynjx+hkWSZbruYSpC0ikHdWnTSknLCk74i/GLrNfqu0v49D9IbEQzsUJtMHXQzPZ+P7Tq/ag87mX6IEXb+1w340rg4nFtkBqzHEIb6ubrlk10C/ajOUylDng8ecyREI35XBmJfoveGT50Oi+hQ/LRoNT7vc= ; Message-ID: <20061203083500.14003.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.28.159.170] by web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Dec 2006 00:35:00 PST Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 00:35:00 -0800 (PST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] striped skirt To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5b8e27ba-79b5-4f8a-9a18-ac93cbe6aaf5 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45728CBC.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Dec 2006 03:37:20 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kB38bKVj001252 Status: RO ----- Original Message ---- From: "TeaRoseS@aol.com" To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Sunday, 3 December, 2006 1:48:04 PM Subject: [h-cost] striped skirt _http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Dance1565.jpg_ (http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Dance1565.jpg) Just an idle question here -- in the image above, the woman with her back turned to us has a skirt that appears to be striped. Would this be a brocaded or patterned fabric of some sort, or an embellishment like embroidery or couching? Or is it artistic license? I haven't seen a skirt like that on a realistic 16th century person before (only allegorical or "foreigners"), but then these seem to be Italians, and I don't do Italian (not yet, anyway). Tea Rose<<<<<<<< I believe those particular stripes to be brocaded/woven in. These... http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/LadyWithHeron.jpg ....are barely visible, but I believe that they too are woven in. Then there is this... http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Veronese1560.jpg The stripes there could be either woven in or applied, but my guess is woven in. However these stripes.... http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG ...although they could very well be woven-in, look much more like they are applied. These next are definitely woven-in I think.... http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/ForniGirolamoVicenza.jpg ...as are the next...almost looks like corduroy, but is probably a voided velvet..... http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Marietta1580-90.jpg Hope that helps some. Bella The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 3 10:55:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB3Fta0X026322 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 10:55:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB3FtS9X001266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 10:55:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB3Frnw7057180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 08:53:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB3FqWmg021926; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 08:53:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB3FpPo3021001 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 08:52:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m82.in-tch.com [216.166.191.82]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id kB3Fcq514416 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 08:38:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002701c716f4$143e3180$52bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] striped skirt Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 08:59:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bd8d9081-4904-4348-a391-1467acc66503 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4572F370.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Dec 2006 10:55:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Boy, those are really narrow stripes, aren't they? I've never seen such a nice, large image of this painting before, so I've never noticed them. I've seen stripes show up occasionally in other Italian dresses in the 16th century, and even earlier, so they're definitely not unknown, and not all are allegorical. The ones I'm able to recall this a.m., though, were all wider, and looked almost pieced (solid areas of contrasting color, and not especially patterned), but then, I'm just an Italian dabbler, and by no means an expert. Style-wise, I couldn't tell you...you might be able to cross-reference the painting with the nationality of the painter and the region in which it was painted, and come up with some similar examples. There was so very much going on in Italy during this time period, politically and economically and culturally, that it's hard to say what was and wasn't "foreign," especially since Italy was still a collection of city-states and not a single "Italy" until much, much later. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] striped skirt > > _http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Dance1565.jpg_ > (http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Dance1565.jpg) > Just an idle question here -- in the image above, the woman with her back > turned to us has a skirt that appears to be striped. Would this be a brocaded or > patterned fabric of some sort, or an embellishment like embroidery or > couching? Or is it artistic license? I haven't seen a skirt like that on a > realistic 16th century person before (only allegorical or "foreigners"), but then > these seem to be Italians, and I don't do Italian (not yet, anyway). > > Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 3 10:56:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB3FuFJU026348 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 10:56:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB3FuBJ1014011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 10:56:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB3Ftap7057486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 08:55:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB3FsW43023728; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 08:55:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB3FrVUL022818 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 08:54:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m82.in-tch.com [216.166.191.82]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id kB3Fex514936 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 08:40:59 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003401c716f4$5fde8b80$52bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Dec 2006 10:56:15 -0500 (EST) Status: RO The fishes did , but not the clothing afaik! --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? > > In a message dated 12/2/2006 12:22:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com writes: > > , 1030's era with a fishtail > ruffle down the back. > > > And an evil response to what I assume is a typo--did they do fishtails in > the 1000s? > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 3 15:53:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB3KrRdG003848 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 15:53:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB3KrNKo020438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 15:53:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB3Kn1wK014737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 13:49:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB3Kmsnd091670; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 13:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB3Kmmjw091496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 13:48:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:24002 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GqyGU-0006OV-Sp for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 03 Dec 2006 14:48:48 -0600 Message-ID: <065a01c7171c$6a0516b0$eb00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061203083500.14003.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] striped skirt Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 14:48:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 10c1885f-6270-40a7-84cd-4f7e65cbd91c X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45733943.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:53:27 -0500 (EST) Status: RO ----- Original Message ---- From: "TeaRoseS@aol.com" > http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Dance1565.jpg You know, it looks to me like the dress in question has a sheer overlay on the skirt--look at the bottom there. What's more, it kind of looks like the stripe might be in the overlay itself: a sheer purple and white stripe overlaying a gold-colored skirt. Or, a gold-colored skirt with a purple overlay that's pleated in such a way that where it folds over, you get several layers of the sheer purple at regular intervals and therefore the effect of a stripe. (Not that I don't think they used stripes, as stripes are pretty easy to find elsewhere.) Is it just me, or does anyone else see that? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 3 17:37:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB3MbQMV006542 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 17:37:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB3MbMnt004487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 17:37:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB3MZ8D9029942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 15:35:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB3MZ302075218; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 15:35:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.238]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB3MYuqE075026 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 15:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.140.15]) by bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 14:34:50 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 14:34:50 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY135-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 03 Dec 2006 22:34:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Dec 2006 17:37:26 -0500 (EST) Status: RO ooopsie! Yup, I meant 1930's Kelly > > In a message dated 12/2/2006 12:22:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com writes: > > , 1030's era with a fishtail > ruffle down the back. > > > And an evil response to what I assume is a typo--did they do fishtails in > the 1000s? > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 3 22:02:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB432mxp013866 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB432iTf003284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:02:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB42xBrG066377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 19:59:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB42wxem062230; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 19:59:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB42wqLM062155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 19:58:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1Gr43A-0000n3-Qe for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 03 Dec 2006 20:59:24 -0600 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 20:59:24 -0600 (CST) From: Cat Dancer X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Dec 2006 22:02:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO If I had one (a brown tape one is on the project list somewhere) she'd be wearing either a mid-13th c. gown in gold wool twill that needs the sleeves tightened up and new trim put on, a 13th c. sleeveless gown in a lovely dark purple wool twill that needs hems, or a 13th c. sleeveless gown in red wool melton (it's for winter events) that needs some alterations, hem finishing and I think detached sleeves. The gold and the red are hand-sewn, so the purple is likely to get finished first. ;-) The veils I'm hemming are in my project basket. :-) pixel in cold but almost entirely un-snowy MN _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 3 22:20:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB43KjGM014341 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:20:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB43Kfj8028482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:20:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB43Jlbm069342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 20:19:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB43JkaR076346; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 20:19:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB43JfH8076302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 20:19:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kB43KShR024142 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:20:29 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Dec 2006 22:20:45 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Sunday 03 December 2006 9:59 pm, Cat Dancer wrote: > If I had one (a brown tape one is on the project list somewhere) she'd be > wearing either a mid-13th c. gown in gold wool twill that needs the > sleeves tightened up and new trim put on, a 13th c. sleeveless gown in a > lovely dark purple wool twill that needs hems, or a 13th c. sleeveless > gown in red wool melton (it's for winter events) that needs some > alterations, hem finishing and I think detached sleeves. The gold and the > red are hand-sewn, so the purple is likely to get finished first. ;-) Those all sound lovely! I'm jealous. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 4 01:41:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB46f5YY019663 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 01:41:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB46f1V3032238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 01:41:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB46Wu4o092740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:32:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB46Woxx096057; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:32:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB46WkgE095985 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:32:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AF809AF04D4; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 06:26:08 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:32:55 -0800 Message-ID: <007601c7176e$0893bdd0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <002c01c7155d$51985cb0$3014a150@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 01:41:05 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Re the 40's patterns-what size are you interested in? I ask because a friend gave me a bunch of patterns from her mom, who used to be a seamstress. I think I noticed some 40's stuff in the quick look I've taken. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:28 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's What about try to look at the library? I know for instance the library at Museum of Decorative Arts in Copenhagen takes home all the fashion journals, and i think they have archived these. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's > Greetings everyone! > > I'm popping out of lurkdom after Worldcon and Loscon to ask for help while > setting up another group set of costumes for next year's Friday Night Fun. > Wonder of wonders, they are pulling me out of medieval era > clothing/costume and into making more early-to-mid 20th century stuff. > > The theme is "Mod" as in the mid 1960's. My tighter focus, at least in > theory, is going to be closer to the items worn by Diana Riggs in the > Avengers, or one of the other similar designers, but I am also finding > interesting comments about a couple of other designers. I'll share a few > of the ones I don't want for myself with some of the other folks doing the > theme who haven't chosen yet as well. > > So my request is help in finding photos of garments made by John Bates > (Jean Varon), Andre Courneges, or Paco Rabanne. I'll be trying to > determine a fiber which I can easily wear, as most of the polyester I > remember from that time (since I was well, very young then) makes me break > out in serious cases of the itchies now. > > My husband's first vote is for the immediately identifiable first season > Emma Peel leather catsuit, but I want to see a few other ideas before I > make up my mind. (*grin*) > > Then to find a nice pair of 1940's patterns for me- one for day and one > for evening! > > Thank you, > > Jonnalyhn Wolfcat aka Angharat > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 4 01:45:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB46jNml019771 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 01:45:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB46jKxE032579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 01:45:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB46flmo093743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:41:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB46flj8001262; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:41:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB46fhki001217 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:41:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A19A2E6503A2; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 06:35:06 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:41:54 -0800 Message-ID: <007801c7176f$4980b950$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <45719E3E.1050704@reddawn.net> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 01:45:23 -0500 (EST) Status: RO The one I made closed up the front. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:40 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? Penny Ladnier wrote: > Another lady has on a c. 1910s white shirtwaist. The same person > donated the shirtwaist. It has beautiful lace collar and bib. Here is > this lady: http://www.costumegallery.com/VCU/Photos/1910/P1040106lg.jpg > How does this shirt close? Up the front or the back? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 4 02:00:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4703ku020191 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 02:00:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB46xv8v001545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 02:00:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB46xTVG095532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:59:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB46xRgq011509; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:59:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB46xGBW011391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:59:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-213-13-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.213.13]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB46xE3q001826 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:59:15 +1100 Message-ID: <002301c71771$b49b7a20$0dd5f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007701c7176e$c5113870$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for pictures of bum rolls Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:59:11 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/2274/Mon Dec 4 10:09:03 2006 on mail8.tpgi.com.au X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=42% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85a4f332-d323-4b70-9a27-36c9bb7b4f76 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4573C76D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 02:00:03 -0500 (EST) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for pictures of bum rolls >I wear a bumroll with my Ren Faire costume and it doesn't stick out as far > as in that painting. Also, the style of the clothing (especially the very > long pointed fronts) is from the late 1500's, when wheel farthingales were > worn. Bumrolls, worn alone, were earlier. > but if you made one as large as this http://www.geocities.com/technically_naked/grueso8.jpg it would stick out that far. What is your evidence for bumrolls worn alone prior to last decade or two of the 16th century? Prior to the fashion for the 'body on a platter' look a set of petticoats or a Spanish Farthingale would be all the skirt support I would suspect. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 4 02:34:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB47YNRl021196 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 02:34:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB47YJ4Z003341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 02:34:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB47Xguq099250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 00:33:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB47XbBf032750; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 00:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB47XWtv032707 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 00:33:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ADC0BF00418; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 07:26:56 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for pictures of bum rolls Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:33:43 -0800 Message-ID: <008701c71776$86be32a0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <002301c71771$b49b7a20$0dd5f5dc@user4712b7d135> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kB47XWtv032707 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e25327fe-758d-4364-863e-fff62a0dcf2c X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4573CF7B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 02:34:23 -0500 (EST) Status: RO My costume book, Lucy Barton's "Historic Costume fro the Stage", calls this a bolster type farthingale. There is also a drawing on the same page of a cart wheel farthingale. She uses drawings, many of actual paintings, to illustrate the book. We wear hoops to give the correct silhouette, but also use a bumroll to get the "shelf" at the sides and back (but not the front), for gowns of the 1570's or so. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:59 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for pictures of bum rolls ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for pictures of bum rolls >I wear a bumroll with my Ren Faire costume and it doesn't stick out as far > as in that painting. Also, the style of the clothing (especially the very > long pointed fronts) is from the late 1500's, when wheel farthingales were > worn. Bumrolls, worn alone, were earlier. > but if you made one as large as this http://www.geocities.com/technically_naked/grueso8.jpg it would stick out that far. What is your evidence for bumrolls worn alone prior to last decade or two of the 16th century? Prior to the fashion for the 'body on a platter' look a set of petticoats or a Spanish Farthingale would be all the skirt support I would suspect. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 4 03:00:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB480Fu0021899 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 03:00:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB480BoA021371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 03:00:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB46c6q8093270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:38:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB46c4Yc098969; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:38:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB46c1aa098921 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2006 23:38:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A0BC22904FC; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 06:31:24 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for pictures of bum rolls Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:38:12 -0800 Message-ID: <007701c7176e$c5113870$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <698540.10409.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 03:00:15 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I wear a bumroll with my Ren Faire costume and it doesn't stick out as far as in that painting. Also, the style of the clothing (especially the very long pointed fronts) is from the late 1500's, when wheel farthingales were worn. Bumrolls, worn alone, were earlier. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:56 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for pictures of bum rolls That's my impression as well. Especially here: http://homepage.mac.com/muzette/Eng.File/Art/Gallery_pages/Gallery_bal.html The curve at the skirt is very sharp - as if there was a wheel farthingale. A bumroll would make a much more rounded look. Also the bend of the skirt is kind of too far from the waist, this would mean that the bumroll must have been quite large, but then it would make quite a round shape... "Sharon at Collierfam.com" wrote: It seems to be that the women are wearing wheel farthingales, not bumrolls alone. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:31 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for pictures of bum rolls ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for pictures of bum rolls > > Following up my own post (below): Here's one of the images: > > http://www.insecula.com/oeuvre/photo_ME0000057470.html > > The presence of rolls is very clear, particularly on the woman in the > right foreground, but on some others as well. > > It does seem to be at the Louvre, as I was remembering. I probably have > some photos of it and its mate, but I haven't gotten around to indexing > all of the 500 or so slides I took in Paris ... a few years ago ... yeesh, > I will never get them all straight. > > --Robin > Aha! I found another http://homepage.mac.com/muzette/Eng.File/Art/Gallery_pages/Gallery_bal.html it's not that big but this is the one I was thinking of. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:26:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I got one too Astrid -------------- Original message -------------- From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net > I just got an auto email regarding emails bouncing, and I have no idea why.. and > I've just noticed that I haven't gotten any emails from the list since I got the > auto membership reminder email on December 1. I've not made any changes to my > membership and fear that this is a phishing scam. Has anyone else gotten one of > these? > > The body of the message is pasted below: > > Your membership in the mailing list h-costume has been disabled due to > excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated > 26-Nov-2006. You will not get any more messages from this list until > you re-enable your membership. You will receive 2 more reminders like > this before your membership in the list is deleted. > > To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message > (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 4 10:53:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4FrUlZ004247 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:53:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB4FrQuQ030819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:53:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB4FpTCq069162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 08:51:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4Fnqw4016881; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 08:50:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.94] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4Fioix011882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 08:45:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kB4FIInd047804 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:18:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:18:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45342.65.117.156.5.1165245498.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <120420061349.18780.457427530008F6790000495C22007348300809070E029D0E0A 0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> References: <120420061349.18780.457427530008F6790000495C22007348300809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:18:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] bounce confirmation? From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 205f83ca-21a5-43e0-a979-9b5121343728 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45744476.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:53:30 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Actually ... it is because Comcast have recently been purchased by Time Warner and is forcing all of us to migrate to the new servers by bouncing your emails. Go into what you thought was spam from Comcast and read it concering your new service. Ours was titled: Welcome to Road Runner High Speed from Time Warner Cable. Here in the DFW area it is tx.rr.net now instead of comcast.net It goes through instructions on how to do the migration. Chiara Francesca On Mon, December 4, 2006 7:49 am, elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net said: > I just got an auto email regarding emails bouncing, and I have no > idea why.. and I've just noticed that I haven't gotten any emails > from the list since I got the auto membership reminder email on > December 1. I've not made any changes to my membership and fear > that this is a phishing scam. Has anyone else gotten one of these? > > The body of the message is pasted below: > > Your membership in the mailing list h-costume has been disabled due > to > excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated > 26-Nov-2006. You will not get any more messages from this list > until > you re-enable your membership. You will receive 2 more reminders > like > this before your membership in the list is deleted. > > To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message > (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page > at > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 4 11:37:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4GbE7V005349 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:37:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB4Gb8TP007984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:37:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB4GXNUJ078528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:33:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4GWm5H066776; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:33:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4GAOJw040168 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:10:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from M311@aol.com) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c82.957fe6a (42805) for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:03:52 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:03:49 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e9184ca4-41a0-4e63-aadb-4cc76a02c70a X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45744EB4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:37:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Mine is wearing an original flapper dress. It was given to my husband's grandmother as payment for work that she did for an elderly women (Marta McCracken) who had worn it. There are no tags in it and I know nothing much about it. It is a dove gray with lots of beading on it, an evening dress with a metal bag that goes with it and a pewter leaf necklace to match. There is a silk wrap that goes with it but it is so fine and fragile that I have it in a box. Marta was well to do and got lots of gifts from her sister who was also well to do--this dress was from her sister. Kelly m311@aol.com www.mysensaria.com/time2spa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 4 13:10:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4IAWP3008459 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:10:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB4IAS5H020418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:10:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB4I3uvs001163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:03:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4I383L075493; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:03:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4HpJV8060455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:52:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 1061C84AB4; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69ACA84A9D for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:21:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:21:32 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000101c717c8$a745dc60$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70=0.027, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Green Valley X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca2a609e-ab6d-4468-893f-523062351e38 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45746494.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:10:32 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kB4IAWP3008459 Status: RO I don't know if any of you are following TVO's presentation of the BBC series that follows the lives of several archaeologists/experts who are recreating life in the 16th century. Unlike most reality shows, this one is not set up for conflict, rather for discovery, hence the reason they chose people who were knowledgeable of, and experienced with recreating, the period in question. The costuming is wonderful, right down to the torn shirt of one of the fellows, frayed hems, grotty nails and all. They're eating real period food, doing real period tasks, with knowledge and in some cases with additional expertise. There's no whining and whinging and secret caches of modern items. They are completely and utterly dedicated to their year in the 16th century. It has been an interesting journey and I look forward to further instalments. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 4 13:42:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4Ig8rc009325 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:42:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB4Ig4Pa022903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:42:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB4IdW3Q009271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:39:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4IcxmK017988; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:39:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.192.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4IcRLe017170 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:38:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter75.comcast.net ([204.127.197.157]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20061204183821m1400c58oqe>; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 18:38:21 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter75.comcast.net; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 18:38:21 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bounce confirmation? Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 18:38:21 +0000 Message-Id: <120420061838.7312.45746B1D0001CE6100001C9022064246130809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cbd6aa36-d419-4e8e-bca1-410ec1b1e180 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45746BFC.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:42:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Shucks! I *did* think it was spamming and deleted it already. But went ahead and re-subscribed to h-costume list anyways. No wonder I was starting to get cranky. I hadn't had my daily H-list fix! Thanks to all of you who contacted me! Gia/Elena -------------- Original message -------------- From: dshoover@comcast.net > I got one too Astrid > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net > > > I just got an auto email regarding emails bouncing, and I have no idea why.. > and > > I've just noticed that I haven't gotten any emails from the list since I got > the > > auto membership reminder email on December 1. I've not made any changes to my > > membership and fear that this is a phishing scam. Has anyone else gotten one > of > > these? > > > > The body of the message is pasted below: > > > > Your membership in the mailing list h-costume has been disabled due to > > excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated > > 26-Nov-2006. You will not get any more messages from this list until > > you re-enable your membership. You will receive 2 more reminders like > > this before your membership in the list is deleted. > > > > To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message > > (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 4 13:59:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4IxO67009721 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:59:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB4IxLer008176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:59:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB4IrURY012707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4IquqJ035161; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:53:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [216.148.227.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4IqKHv034360 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:52:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20061204185212m15000ajs6e>; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 18:52:12 +0000 In-Reply-To: <000101c717c8$a745dc60$6400a8c0@MAIN> References: <000101c717c8$a745dc60$6400a8c0@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Green Valley Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:52:11 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c9632870-529c-4cf1-a0ff-3cf590488511 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45747009.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:59:24 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Oh, LORD, this is JUST what I have wished and wished they would do, except of course that I wanted them to invite ME along. But I'm not finding it on US TV yet. PBS doesn't have a listing for it. Has anybody found it here south of the border? Lauren On Dec 4, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote: > I don't know if any of you are following TVO's > presentation of > the BBC series that follows the lives of several archaeologists/ > experts who > are recreating life in the 16th century. Unlike most reality shows, > this one > is not set up for conflict, rather for discovery, hence the reason > they > chose people who were knowledgeable of, and experienced with > recreating, the > period in question. > > > > The costuming is wonderful, right down to the torn > shirt of one > of the fellows, frayed hems, grotty nails and all. They're eating real > period food, doing real period tasks, with knowledge and in some > cases with > additional expertise. There's no whining and whinging and secret > caches of > modern items. They are completely and utterly dedicated to their > year in the > 16th century. It has been an interesting journey and I look forward to > further instalments. > > > > Regards, > > Lorina > > Five Rivers Chapmanry > > purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted > cooperage, > re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 4 14:35:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4JZ1eH010658 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:35:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB4JYvp9006730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:35:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB4JVsYx021658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:31:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4JVe73082252; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:31:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4JQYtu076264 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:27:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 04 Dec 2006 19:22:10 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAI4FdEXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACMbQEJDio Received: from 88-107-126-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.126.140]:2399 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GrJLx-000Psi-Qw for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:19:49 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061204191340.034272b0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:16:13 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Green Valley/Tales from the Green Valley In-Reply-To: References: <000101c717c8$a745dc60$6400a8c0@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dbfbdcd0-976c-4a91-b338-a2625aa7525d X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45747861.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:35:01 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 18:52 04/12/2006, you wrote: >Oh, LORD, this is JUST what I have wished and wished they would do, >except of course that I wanted them to invite ME along. But I'm not >finding it on US TV yet. PBS doesn't have a listing for it. Has >anybody found it here south of the border? >Lauren This is actually called "Tales from the Green Valley" - maybe different in the U.S. There is a web site here http://www.petersommer.com/tv_tales.html and a DVD is available. Suzi who loved every authentic minute! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 4 14:47:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4JlJ5T011007 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:47:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB4JlFvt024077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:47:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB4JiAfH025096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:44:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4JhrPU098030; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:43:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu [169.147.4.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4JhWIB097438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:43:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id kB4JIKi70694 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:18:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 04 Dec 2006 13:18:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:18:28 -0600 References: <200612041903.kB4J2pdX047634@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:18:15 -0600 Message-ID: <45742020.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200612041903.kB4J2pdX047634@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: The Green Valley X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4131144b-5112-4f46-98e7-8fb7cf6d1517 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45747B43.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 4 15:06:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4K6Dgr011486 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:06:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB4K67Xf012495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:06:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB4K2ul8030435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:02:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4K2mCi021345; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:02:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB4K2ZMV020935 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65371 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Dec 2006 20:02:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RLrCIMmiomQ3mcUfmMgPVgxJeQa2ycjgOY1ex4Aewy7uNQZh/M/JrU0tY+0cbTAFHY3VW8VeNsf9sRiCiMUFYZXeh8vSElru3EQTeYfV/0ORgEOClZzNYIgfoAXycNsBYvSQcxVhbBRAVWeX0hUZnRKYC3/D0f/Y7IZz85BwZ4Q= ; Message-ID: <20061204200228.65369.qmail@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.37.25.87] by web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:02:28 PST Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:02:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kB4K2ZMV020935 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bb9f4f63-3bcf-45c6-b1ff-ff205a8b657d X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45747FB0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:06:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Many thanks to all who have given some input on this. There are about 14 of us getting together and doing this grouping, so some of the designers/looks were requested by the others, but sending the information on links for those their way is still very helpful. My library has two books with fashion in the 1960's, and yes, they are on hold already. I'm also thinking of what TV shows or movies would be best to look at (aside from the aforementioned Avengers) for some ideas as well. I'm amused at the way this particular group of fen are influencing me to doing a bit more modern/retro costuming. Some of them are doing a USO type show, hence the 1940's pattern search as well. :-) Jonnalyhn Wolfcat / Angharat ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:12:12 -0500 (EST) Status: RO It was absolute bliss, utterly fascinating - and in Scotland they decided to take it off after 9 episodes, so we had to get the DVD to see the last 3 months, grrr! I learned so much that you just don't think of - not specifics, but general things, like, spring is not a time of plenty, spring is the lean time while you wait for new stuff to grow. And what tools and structures are permanent, and which are temporary or disposable, made new when you need them. Wonderful series. Jean Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote > I don't know if any of you are following TVO's presentation of >the BBC series that follows the lives of several archaeologists/experts who >are recreating life in the 16th century. Unlike most reality shows, this one >is not set up for conflict, rather for discovery, hence the reason they >chose people who were knowledgeable of, and experienced with recreating, the >period in question. > > > > The costuming is wonderful, right down to the torn shirt of one >of the fellows, frayed hems, grotty nails and all. They're eating real >period food, doing real period tasks, with knowledge and in some cases with >additional expertise. There's no whining and whinging and secret caches of >modern items. They are completely and utterly dedicated to their year in the >16th century. It has been an interesting journey and I look forward to >further instalments. > > > >Regards, > >Lorina > >Five Rivers Chapmanry > >purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, >re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > >519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 4 17:26:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4MQHsr014998 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:26:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB4MQDvn005764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:26:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB4MN4CT064444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:23:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4MMwg9091939; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:23:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4MMnp6091760 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:22:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE2B2E2B02EE; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 22:16:11 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Green Valley Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:22:58 -0800 Message-ID: <003801c717f2$c2d0d960$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <000101c717c8$a745dc60$6400a8c0@MAIN> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:26:17 -0500 (EST) Status: RO What is TVO? Is there an online site for this? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Five Rivers Chapmanry Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:22 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] The Green Valley I don't know if any of you are following TVO's presentation of the BBC series that follows the lives of several archaeologists/experts who are recreating life in the 16th century. Unlike most reality shows, this one is not set up for conflict, rather for discovery, hence the reason they chose people who were knowledgeable of, and experienced with recreating, the period in question. The costuming is wonderful, right down to the torn shirt of one of the fellows, frayed hems, grotty nails and all. They're eating real period food, doing real period tasks, with knowledge and in some cases with additional expertise. There's no whining and whinging and secret caches of modern items. They are completely and utterly dedicated to their year in the 16th century. It has been an interesting journey and I look forward to further instalments. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 4 17:54:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4MsQqS015634 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:54:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB4MsMYj008799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:54:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB4Mokve070917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:50:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4MohKl020824; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:50:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.225]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB4Mod1W020747 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:50:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i7so1750195wra for ; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:50:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nH8aq57cQDQt4to94fZioBThi4BH6i+jopvnXYoYXl3hSxAHgTBvq0B6bYumGkt4WX6GH/3AAvioRznCgZkMRPL/SxMEnL0+sHG+mDF1YPyJaKW11wDinSlIdiNsVjYTo7hyFaRpuGAT/ix1md2/r7Rsddp7/Xo0xMosSHn6Abs= Received: by 10.90.89.5 with SMTP id m5mr8806030agb.1165272638988; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:50:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.71.20 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:50:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0612041450r3d05878bh81832469a8a8a2ee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:50:38 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's In-Reply-To: <20061204200228.65369.qmail@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061204200228.65369.qmail@web37312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1141bd9c-f3db-4170-8981-6a13f51e127a X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4574A71E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:54:26 -0500 (EST) Status: RO For top of the Pops or Op - if you're trying for really Mod, try to find Man from UNCLE, Girl from UNCLE, That Girl, Hulabalu!, Honey West. Go**! I'm dating myself. Also check out Hard Day's Night and Help for British pop clothing. Best of luck, LynnD Hoping we get to see pictures! On 12/4/06, Angharad ver' Reynulf wrote: > Many thanks to all who have given some input on this. There are about 14 of us getting together and doing this grouping, so some of the designers/looks were requested by the others, but sending the information on links for those their way is still very helpful. > > My library has two books with fashion in the 1960's, and yes, they are on hold already. I'm also thinking of what TV shows or movies would be best to look at (aside from the aforementioned Avengers) for some ideas as well. > > I'm amused at the way this particular group of fen are influencing me to doing a bit more modern/retro costuming. Some of them are doing a USO type show, hence the 1940's pattern search as well. :-) > > Jonnalyhn Wolfcat / Angharat > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! 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Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.6/567 - Release Date: 12/4/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 02:13:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB57DVOd026013 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 02:13:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB57DR3D027698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 02:13:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB57CDkh054861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 00:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB57C80Y030033; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 00:12:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB57C4DC029943 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 00:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09811 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 01:56:58 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 01:56:58 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b8cb980b-d559-4f4f-9486-d7721deae698 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45751C17.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:13:31 -0500 (EST) Status: RO My 10-year-old son, who is far more musically inclined than I am, just had his first experience at a medieval costumed event, where he went for the sole purpose of finding the opportunity to play early music with other like-minded souls. He intends to do more of this. He has a suitable costume (c. 1300 in style, roughly Luttrell Psalter working-class). However, he could use a way to carry his recorder safely and conveniently. Ideally, it should be something that hangs from his body, as he has the habit of putting things down and forgetting them. I have never had the need to research period instrument cases, and I don't really want to start now. But given the number of minstrel-types doing re-enactment, I'm betting someone else has already devoted energy to this subject. Can anyone point me to a webpage or other source for guidance? If I don't find any hard documentation, I figure I'll take some quilted fabric and make a recorder-sized tube, and then cover that with some wool -- or else just use batting between two layers to create a padded tube. The end could close with a foldover that can be fastened (latchet or button), or maybe with a drawstring. It would also need a strap that would let him carry it on his back. (He does wear a belt, but he's small for his age, and even a soprano recorder would end up knocking around his knees if he hung it from a belt.) If anyone has advice to improve on that scheme, I'm all ears. I have ruled out stuffing it down his hood liripipe primarily because he'd probably end up sitting on it. But believe me, I was tempted. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 02:44:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB57iuap026672 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 02:44:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB57iqVO026022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 02:44:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB57gSbx058382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 00:42:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB57gQUX053241; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 00:42:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4j.socket.net [216.106.88.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB57gL0k053167 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 00:42:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 56FB83746C for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 01:42:21 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 01:42:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=18% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca9390d3-12c8-4280-b56d-3a61630e8641 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45752374.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:44:56 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Robin, I'm sending this to the Calonlist as I know there are musicians there but I think you are pretty much on track with a tubular pouch but probably a tie flap and not a drawstring. Basically, make the tube about 2 1/2"-3" longer so that it folds below the mouth/opening and you can have a 1 1/2" flap that ties to the body of the tube. Having the fold below the mouth of the tub closes it and with wool or water proofing stuff protects it from most elements. lucet cords, braided, that goes over the shoulder and under the arm should work. Though I don't have proof of the practice, you or when he is old and wants to learn, could embroider a design on the case. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 07:39:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Cdkmf001990 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 07:39:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5CdexB020290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 07:39:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5Cb6nW002245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 05:37:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Cb0nH076933; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 05:37:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5CasPx076848 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 05:36:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kathysmassmail@verizon.net) Received: from vms170.mailsrvcs.net ([192.168.1.1]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0J9S00I45WCX9I31@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:36:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from 70.110.196.183 ([70.110.196.183]) by vms170.mailsrvcs.net (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:36:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:36:32 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re:[h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:39:46 -0500 (EST) Status: RO >I think you are pretty much on track with a tubular pouch but probably a tie flap and not a drawstring. This is completely NON period, but I would take a piece of pvc and put it in the pouch. This way, even if he sits on it, it would be protected. Completely covered inside and out, it wouldn't even be that noticeable. --Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 07:55:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5CtNEC002380 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 07:55:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5CtKoN023603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 07:55:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5CrsCk006044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 05:53:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5CrrES089554; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 05:53:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail02.unl.edu (webmail02.unl.edu [129.93.1.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5CrlDi089448 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 05:53:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail02.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id kB5CrkH24762 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 06:53:46 -0600 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re:[h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? Message-ID: <1165323226.45756bdaa9944@webmail02.unl.edu> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:53:46 -0600 (CST) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: <13755467.6574951165322193101.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> In-Reply-To: <13755467.6574951165322193101.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 647eff27-bd5f-49eb-a078-deeae0389f38 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45756C38.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:55:23 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > This is completely NON period, but I would take a piece of pvc and put > it in the pouch. This way, even if he sits on it, it would be protected. > Completely covered inside and out, it wouldn't even be that > noticeable. My first thought was of some of the scabbards in the Museum of London book, _Knives and scabbards_. They are (if memory serves) hardened leather tube-ish cases. It wouldn't be too hard to make a leather case hardened (over appropriately-sized PVC, perhaps) in boiling water or hot wax. Ask the armourers in your vicinity. The result might not be what was done in period, but would at least use period techniques and materials and produce a result that looks right. Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 09:33:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5EX2CI005689 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:33:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5EWsjm031593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:33:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5EV2Pc026667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 07:31:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5EUsta077617; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 07:30:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5D5DTV098205 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 06:05:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10542 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 07:50:09 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 07:50:09 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re:[h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? In-Reply-To: <1165323226.45756bdaa9944@webmail02.unl.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 372525b4-feab-457e-81a6-9c7be1d1a5f6 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45758316.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:33:02 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Kathy wrote: > This is completely NON period, but I would take a piece of pvc and put > it in the pouch. This way, even if he sits on it, it would be > protected. Completely covered inside and out, it wouldn't even be that > noticeable. Emma added: > My first thought was of some of the scabbards in the Museum of London > book, _Knives and scabbards_. They are (if memory serves) hardened > leather tube-ish cases. It wouldn't be too hard to make a leather > case hardened (over appropriately-sized PVC, perhaps) in boiling water > or hot wax. Ask the armourers in your vicinity. The result might not > be what was done in period, but would at least use period techniques > and materials and produce a result that looks right. Both of these are good thoughts. The idea of leather rather than fabric struck me after I wrote my note, but I'm not in contact with local re-enactors and I don't do much leatherwork, though I might be able to sew some heavy pieces together. Maybe a combination, with leather on the outside, PVC for stiffness, and I could get away without hardening it that way. Bonus: My son could help with putting the leather together. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 10:41:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5FfEnj008120 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:41:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5FfA6I011804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:41:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5Fb595041133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 08:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Fb00u049867; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 08:37:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5FasBe049760 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 08:36:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.16849682; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:36:26 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id kB5FaL903895.; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:36:25 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:36:21 +0000 Message-Id: <457591E602000014000C6AA1@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:36:06 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200612041905.kB4J2pda047634@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200612041905.kB4J2pda047634@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Green Valley X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: df924819-ce4e-4575-ab6d-3469df449163 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45759317.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:41:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Lorina wrote: > I don't know if any of you are following TVO's presentation of >the BBC series that follows the lives of several archaeologists/experts who >are recreating life in the 16th century. Unlike most reality shows, this one >is not set up for conflict, rather for discovery, hence the reason they >chose people who were knowledgeable of, and experienced with recreating, the >period in question. Yes, I posted a similar comment when the series was shown in the UK last year. After it had finished, an article by Stuart Peachey was published in the magazine of my reenactment society explaining how things hadn't happened quite as they appeared on TV - one of the young men was only there for part of the year but the company cleverly edited the footage to make it look as though he was in the team throughout. A great series, though, and much enjoyed by reenactors over here. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 11:17:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5GHme9009430 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:17:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5GHhDx018676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:17:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5GFStu049524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:15:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5GFJRH091307; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:15:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5GFECr091118 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:15:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so2784523pyb for ; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 08:15:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FEnzoHZO9HjhDoQ/KlLqZgQuA6wMWKBAuYC9hf/kfKJcuGHqAg9EbzZBd9Fgg+miwkrVNPkNBj3A3NhiMZoqX4M3bQobBTPsyh+hbqZ0LcqkL/RCZa6a7J2nTmMC7RF2/WU+0ZI4saj8RRMbhzU1fW9q1n++Vt6OBVtpf+v0kGs= Received: by 10.35.21.1 with SMTP id y1mr1359241pyi.1165335309219; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 08:15:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.51.11 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 08:15:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590612050815p33d24d1bw50d7ffd49b043565@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:15:09 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1165323226.45756bdaa9944@webmail02.unl.edu> X-DCC-Servercave-Metrics: net.indra.com 1183; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 965f086d-2783-4c83-96f5-e16fcc5d164d X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45759BA8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:17:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > Both of these are good thoughts. The idea of leather rather than fabric > struck me after I wrote my note, but I'm not in contact with local > re-enactors and I don't do much leatherwork, though I might be able to sew > some heavy pieces together. Maybe a combination, with leather on the > outside, PVC for stiffness, and I could get away without hardening it that > way. Bonus: My son could help with putting the leather together. > > --Robin My hint for working with the leather if you plan on sewing by hand is to run it through the sewing machine first without thread and using the heavy duty needle, ideally a leather needle. It is a lot less demanding on your hands to be able to stitch through leather that is already pre-punched, and the holes will be perfectly even so your stitching will look even better. That and use the smallest needle you can deal with and have a small pair of needlenose pliers on hand. Sometimes pulling the needle through the leather is contingent on being about to grasp the needle and the pliers help a lot. It's either that or use a bit of spray adhesive on the pvc and just wrap the leather around, holes drilled through the top to allow the lacing through, could go really quick. The bottom could be capped with a circle that is "gathered" up over the end, the inside glued and the outside wrapped with a leather strip. depends on the look that you're going for. alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 11:26:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5GQES7009710 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:26:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5GQ9bU028130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:26:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5GLwsV051182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:21:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5GLsRw098859; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:21:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5GLmUD098733 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:21:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=lTPsMAlV7/pUnR/drJ3yiVNEAHM3JKChtCMgTpY4zv0k7eKSdFP7dOkdlWVOt1sa; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.30] (helo=mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Grd3D-00047L-Bj for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:21:47 -0500 Received: from 12.39.252.225 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:21:44 -0500 Message-ID: <25165599.1165335704758.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:21:44 -0500 (EST) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:26:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I've read all the interesting suggestions posted so far. What occurs to me, particularly because you want him to be able to wear it on his back, is a modified quiver. You could even play the jest all the way and put a few dummy arrows in there along with the recorder--maybe make a rigid tie-down lid for the quiver and mount a clutch of feathered arrow-tops on that? Sorry--I've been reading an awful lot (an awful LOT or an AWFUL lot? I think I mean it both ways...) of freshman essays and am taking refuge in whimsy! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Robin Netherton >Sent: Dec 5, 2006 2:56 AM >To: Historic Costume List >Subject: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? > > >My 10-year-old son, who is far more musically inclined than I am, just had >his first experience at a medieval costumed event, where he went for the >sole purpose of finding the opportunity to play early music with other >like-minded souls. He intends to do more of this. > >He has a suitable costume (c. 1300 in style, roughly Luttrell Psalter >working-class). However, he could use a way to carry his recorder safely >and conveniently. Ideally, it should be something that hangs from his >body, as he has the habit of putting things down and forgetting them. > >I have never had the need to research period instrument cases, and I don't >really want to start now. But given the number of minstrel-types doing >re-enactment, I'm betting someone else has already devoted energy to this >subject. Can anyone point me to a webpage or other source for guidance? > >If I don't find any hard documentation, I figure I'll take some quilted >fabric and make a recorder-sized tube, and then cover that with some wool >-- or else just use batting between two layers to create a padded tube. >The end could close with a foldover that can be fastened (latchet or >button), or maybe with a drawstring. It would also need a strap that would >let him carry it on his back. (He does wear a belt, but he's small for his >age, and even a soprano recorder would end up knocking around his knees if >he hung it from a belt.) If anyone has advice to improve on that scheme, >I'm all ears. > >I have ruled out stuffing it down his hood liripipe primarily because he'd >probably end up sitting on it. But believe me, I was tempted. > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 12:01:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5H1lEJ010957 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:01:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5H1fet027683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:01:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5Gw6pC059674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:58:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Gvrr4038703; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:57:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.90.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB5Gvkjr038507 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:57:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28413 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2006 16:57:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V/xjd47Sra8ibXD8T7WGF9qIHlr2bIxUXC4mgsaSnQnll06yr/VL7OLJUBV08iiIkqTerWPFdUf9FXC/HX+ryMS0sygHVuWp60/RCpsWPooZZdalOvIsrwwaG/nfe4ncpiqnAAPGs80rQZC7/DgDNpeYsTLCMGmQJjwjiSfQf2s= ; Message-ID: <20061205165741.28411.qmail@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.37.25.87] by web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 08:57:41 PST Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 08:57:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kB5Gvkjr038507 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11279fcb-2e95-48e8-8b47-59d78da798fe X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4575A5F5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:01:47 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I have Hard Day's Night and Help, as well as Modesty Blaise on the list to go to the library today to pick up my holds. I'd forgotten about the Man from UNCLE, thank you! Pics? Judging by the number of pics we had taken as a group with this years fun of Space Cadet Girl Scouts I can guarantee that there will be pictures. Jonnalyhn Wolfcat / Angharat ----- Original Message ---- From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Sent: Monday, December 4, 2006 2:50:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's For top of the Pops or Op - if you're trying for really Mod, try to find Man from UNCLE, Girl from UNCLE, That Girl, Hulabalu!, Honey West. Go**! I'm dating myself. Also check out Hard Day's Night and Help for British pop clothing. 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Music Unlimited. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 12:51:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Hp6Hr012631 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:51:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5Hp2IY001072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:51:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5HldSX071253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:47:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5HlYvF094421; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:47:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5HlOLV094239 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:47:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.16861180; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:47:08 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id kB5Hl3o25820.; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:47:08 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:47:03 +0000 Message-Id: <4575B08B02000014000C6B0E@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:46:51 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200612051617.kB5GGAwN092277@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200612051617.kB5GGAwN092277@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Research on medieval instrument cases? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 25140837-59d5-460e-ae82-3b81c3254bef X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4575B186.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:51:06 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Robin, have you seen the instrument cases in the "Triumph of Maximilian" series of engravings? e.g. http://www.thinker.org/imagebase_zoom.asp?rec=3328201308440055 ? Some years ago when I was portraying a 17th century military drummer and wanted to carry a wind instrument hanging from my belt, I made a canvas tube, stiffened with plastic and lined with soft fabric. I couldn't reproduce the top of the cases in the Max. picture (anyway, I was on foot!) so I made a flap to cover the top. It's good to hear that your son is so keen at only ten years old! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 13:05:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5I5UGi013140 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:05:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5I5OMv020040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:05:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5I0YFk074004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:00:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Hxptt008454; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:59:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5HxkWp008309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:59:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.136] (209-148-118-136.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.136]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kB5HxghX017871 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:59:43 -0800 Message-ID: <4575B390.7040809@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:59:44 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning References: <20061205172901.96306.qmail@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061205172901.96306.qmail@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c86df53b-75c1-48b4-85c0-47ec0ac505b8 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4575B4E4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:05:30 -0500 (EST) Status: RO The more you tight lace/squish in, the more you need steel. If you are looking for a period silhouette without tight lacing, plastic works just fine. When I make corsets, I use plastic corset boning for everything except a busk, as I am not overweight, have an average bust size, and have no desire to change my size. Plastic is easy to cut and otherwise deal with, and there is no danger of a coating rubbing off and therefore rust getting onto the corset. You can easily slide the manufacturer's fabric cover off if desired. I have not bothered with trying cable ties and such, since the regular boning works just fine for me. Also, I buy certain standard supplies in bulk, because I hate shopping in the middle of a project; so I already have a big roll of plastic corset boning around. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hi, > > I've a question for all corset makers here: which kind of boning (steel or plastic) would you use for a victorian - style corset (if not a real whalebone)? And generally, what experiences do you have when using steel or plastic boning? Do you mix them as well? > I'd really like to hear some experiences:-)) > > Zuzana > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 13:08:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5I8X3u013220 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:08:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5I8TU6023061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:08:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5I5hGg075319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:05:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5I5dLu015516; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:05:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5I5Umf015312 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:05:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11150 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:50:28 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:50:28 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Research on medieval instrument cases? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:08:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Kate M Bunting wrote: > Robin, have you seen the instrument cases in the "Triumph of > Maximilian" series of engravings? e.g. > http://www.thinker.org/imagebase_zoom.asp?rec=3328201308440055 ? Thank you! I would never have known about this. I can come up with any number of ways to make a functional case (including the good ideas that have been discussed here already) but ideally I'd like to make something that replicates a look known to be period. The period I'm aiming for is rather early than Maximilian, but anything medieval would be better than a wild guess. So, I'm hoping there are people (like you) who have already gone a-hunting for images of these and can share. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 13:13:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5IDU3U013380 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:13:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5IDQBs028280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:13:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5I9iwT076449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:09:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5I9XNO020039; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:09:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5I9QQA019802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:09:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:10176 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GrejN-0004Pw-Cz for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:09:26 -0600 Message-ID: <00ce01c71898$7cb76d80$ac00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061205172901.96306.qmail@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:09:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b02f7c3-90b1-431d-a204-0093d2a70713 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4575B6C6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:13:30 -0500 (EST) Status: RO What style of Victorian corset do you plan to make? Do you have a pattern/image picked out? How regularly do you plan to wear the corset--will it be a daily thing, on the weekends, a few times a year, or only once? -E House PS-- you might want to join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Historical_Corsets _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 13:29:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5ITDkX014002 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:29:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5IT9Sk015819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:29:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5IRnE7080598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5IRkc9040884; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Gg7iZ021158 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:42:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1457.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.179]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE9A319724 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:42:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4575A15E.9000309@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:42:06 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? References: <25165599.1165335704758.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <25165599.1165335704758.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=18% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eaa86869-dcf1-49ce-b214-904a7f789e65 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4575BA75.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:29:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Mmm I don't think back quivers are medieval. Altough I love them. Greetings, Deredere ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > I've read all the interesting suggestions posted so far. What occurs to me, particularly because you want him to be able to wear it on his back, is a modified quiver. You could even play the jest all the way and put a few dummy arrows in there along with the recorder--maybe make a rigid tie-down lid for the quiver and mount a clutch of feathered arrow-tops on that? > Sorry--I've been reading an awful lot (an awful LOT or an AWFUL lot? I think I mean it both ways...) of freshman essays and am taking refuge in whimsy! > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Robin Netherton >> Sent: Dec 5, 2006 2:56 AM >> To: Historic Costume List >> Subject: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? >> >> >> My 10-year-old son, who is far more musically inclined than I am, just had >> his first experience at a medieval costumed event, where he went for the >> sole purpose of finding the opportunity to play early music with other >> like-minded souls. He intends to do more of this. >> >> He has a suitable costume (c. 1300 in style, roughly Luttrell Psalter >> working-class). However, he could use a way to carry his recorder safely >> and conveniently. Ideally, it should be something that hangs from his >> body, as he has the habit of putting things down and forgetting them. >> >> I have never had the need to research period instrument cases, and I don't >> really want to start now. But given the number of minstrel-types doing >> re-enactment, I'm betting someone else has already devoted energy to this >> subject. Can anyone point me to a webpage or other source for guidance? >> >> If I don't find any hard documentation, I figure I'll take some quilted >> fabric and make a recorder-sized tube, and then cover that with some wool >> -- or else just use batting between two layers to create a padded tube. >> The end could close with a foldover that can be fastened (latchet or >> button), or maybe with a drawstring. It would also need a strap that would >> let him carry it on his back. (He does wear a belt, but he's small for his >> age, and even a soprano recorder would end up knocking around his knees if >> he hung it from a belt.) If anyone has advice to improve on that scheme, >> I'm all ears. >> >> I have ruled out stuffing it down his hood liripipe primarily because he'd >> probably end up sitting on it. But believe me, I was tempted. >> >> --Robin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 13:31:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5IVf66014066 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:31:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5IVUeJ006608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:31:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5ITgIT081083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:29:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5ITcWJ042998; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:29:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5ISIrP041426 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:28:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.bd3.a1a2bb0 (60470) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d24 (mblk-d24.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.16]) by ciaaol-m02.mx.aol.com (v114.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM023-ec364575ba33143; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:28:04 -0500 References: <200612031903.kB3J1rMF097564@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:28:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200612031903.kB3J1rMF097564@net.indra.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: tearoses@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 22250 Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d24.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.16) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:28:04 -0500 Message-Id: <8C8E6B23CC71EB4-8EC-BF24@mblk-d24.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.16 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9fe400c8-41d4-4aec-a708-3b36504d8abd X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4575BB02.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:31:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Wow, thanks for the info, guys. So, Bella, are those images all Italians? Are stripes ever found anywhere outside of Italy? I usually do English/Flemish, and my friend Dawn (of DawnPages, who posts on this list) pointed out that you never see woven-in stripes in northern Europe. I noticed some stripes in some Brueghel paintings (sermon of John the Baptist is one, I think) but they're always in paintings that are supposed to be in the Holy Land. So I was kind of wondering if stripes could be considered a Middle Eastern or Mediterranean influence. TR ======================================================== Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 22:18:04 EST From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Subject: [h-cost] striped skirt _http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Dance1565.jpg_ (http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Dance1565.jpg) Just an idle question here -- in the image above, the woman with her back turned to us has a skirt that appears to be striped. Would this be a brocaded or patterned fabric of some sort, or an embellishment like embroidery or couching? Tea Rose Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 00:35:00 -0800 (PST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] striped skirt I believe those particular stripes to be brocaded/woven in. These... http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/LadyWithHeron.jpg ....are barely visible, but I believe that they too are woven in. Then there is this... http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Veronese1560.jpg The stripes there could be either woven in or applied, but my guess is woven in. However these stripes.... http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Fasolo.JPG ...although they could very well be woven-in, look much more like they are applied. These next are definitely woven-in I think.... http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/ForniGirolamoVicenza.jpg ...as are the next...almost looks like corduroy, but is probably a voided velvet..... http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Marietta1580-90.jpg Hope that helps some. Bella The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/ ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:59:06 -0500 (EST) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: > Are stripes ever found anywhere outside of Italy? If you want to crossdress, there are plenty of 15th & early 16thC Franco-Flemish & German males wearing stripes! Especially striped hosen, which is an interesting effect. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 14:03:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5J36cH015241 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:03:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5J31E0010212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:03:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5Ix5XN087585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:59:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5IwwXR075359; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:58:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5IwkSB074960 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:58:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 05 Dec 2006 18:54:25 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAOdPdUXUSnInh2dsb2JhbACNAgEBCQ4q Received: from 88-107-104-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.104.136]:1225 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GrfQt-000OLJ-VP for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:54:24 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061205185059.0344ac50@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:54:21 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning In-Reply-To: <00ce01c71898$7cb76d80$ac00a8c0@compaqub> References: <20061205172901.96306.qmail@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00ce01c71898$7cb76d80$ac00a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b141e15e-67dc-4859-a2e1-c3211f0cd20e X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4575C265.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:03:06 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 18:09 05/12/2006, you wrote: >What style of Victorian corset do you plan to make? Do you have a >pattern/image picked out? How regularly do you plan to wear the >corset--will it be a daily thing, on the weekends, a few times a >year, or only once? > >-E House I use spiral steel for all Victorian era corsets, with straight steels either side the lacing holes, and a steel busk in the centre front if required. I would never use plastic boning for this period - where whalebone was not used, most times, as far as I know, spiral steel was used. To my mind, no matter what size the customer, the plastic stuff doesn't work for the period - I use it for earlier stuff though - I don't like cable ties. My original Victorian corsets have either whalebone or spirals. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 14:08:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5J89Eq015435 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:08:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5J853C014815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:08:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5J077X087837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:00:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Ixln0076478; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:59:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from arkroyal.concentric.com (arkroyal.concentric.com [207.155.252.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5IxZqV076192 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:59:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by arkroyal.concentric.com id NAA21301; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:59:31 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200612051859.NAA21301@arkroyal.concentric.com> Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.252.115) with Concentric Web Mail; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:59:31 -0800 (PST) From: Julie To: Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:59:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200612020609.kB269NLo087037@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kB5IxZqV076192 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker dummy wearing and sewing affliction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2478a50a-3d41-4dd8-9678-d3cf593a681e X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4575C395.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:08:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Well, my dummy is naked, but my sewing machine and work table are wearing pieces of the medieval dress with big bell sleeves that I've taken apart so I can remake it to fit me. When I bought it I thought it would just need hemming. Once I got into it I found it was going to be much more complicated. I ended up taking it apart almost to flat fabric. The neckline in it was cut so wide that I've had to create a contrast yoke instead of just an overlay. I've also bought an Elizabethan that's worked out the same way. Loved the fabric. I thought it would be a quick fix...but I was wrong. I got the front of the bodice to fit well but I had a 3" gap at the back lacing! The bodice and forepart are the same fabric so I'll be salvaging from there to remake the bodice. Why is nothing ever as easy as it first appears? A friend of mine commented that most seamstresses he knows buy fabric to make costumes but I buy costumes and make fabric . I've thought about that a lot. I think I have a severe fear of making that initial cut into "virgin" fabric. Anyone else suffer from this? Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 14:10:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5JAHwO015541 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:10:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5JAE9e023737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:10:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5J8DBw089701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:08:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5J88FW086327; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:08:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5J824q086209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:08:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.136] (209-148-118-136.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.136]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kB5J8071011342 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:08:01 -0800 Message-ID: <4575C392.80808@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:08:02 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning References: <20061205172901.96306.qmail@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00ce01c71898$7cb76d80$ac00a8c0@compaqub> <7.0.1.0.2.20061205185059.0344ac50@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061205185059.0344ac50@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ea97aff-979a-4f80-94de-a42fb361d1fb X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4575C416.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:10:17 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Whalebone is now illegal, but the support and flexibility of the old stuff are pretty similar to modern plastic boning. Fran > > I use spiral steel for all Victorian era corsets, with straight steels > either side the lacing holes, and a steel busk in the centre front if > required. I would never use plastic boning for this period - where > whalebone was not used, most times, as far as I know, spiral steel was > used. To my mind, no matter what size the customer, the plastic stuff > doesn't work for the period - I use it for earlier stuff though - I > don't like cable ties. My original Victorian corsets have either > whalebone or spirals. > > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 14:56:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Junml017734 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:56:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5JujTL004242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:56:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5JmIWY098733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:48:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5JmDO5029733; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:48:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Jm6Mg029624 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:48:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=FZVt4y6L5VzzFOP+zHWp1vVEKUc5IDyVCjKVYQK9HpL027PAaRjFUeHlp38QYRV3; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.30] (helo=mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GrgGs-0001Qn-Hr for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:48:06 -0500 Received: from 72.10.108.2 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:48:06 -0500 Message-ID: <12110358.1165348086397.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:48:06 -0500 (EST) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a453db4af09fa662d6ca23d64e601fc3cb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.30 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bf11d4ea-a687-414b-ada7-636f321fa45c X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4575CEFD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:56:49 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Oh, dear, so much for Robin Hood (and his band of merry men!)! --Ruth Anne -----Original Message----- >From: Deredere Galbraith >Sent: Dec 5, 2006 11:42 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? > >Mmm I don't think back quivers are medieval. >Altough I love them. > >Greetings, > Deredere > >ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: >> I've read all the interesting suggestions posted so far. What occurs to me, particularly because you want him to be able to wear it on his back, is a modified quiver. You could even play the jest all the way and put a few dummy arrows in there along with the recorder--maybe make a rigid tie-down lid for the quiver and mount a clutch of feathered arrow-tops on that? >> Sorry--I've been reading an awful lot (an awful LOT or an AWFUL lot? I think I mean it both ways...) of freshman essays and am taking refuge in whimsy! >> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner >> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Robin Netherton >>> Sent: Dec 5, 2006 2:56 AM >>> To: Historic Costume List >>> Subject: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? >>> >>> >>> My 10-year-old son, who is far more musically inclined than I am, just had >>> his first experience at a medieval costumed event, where he went for the >>> sole purpose of finding the opportunity to play early music with other >>> like-minded souls. He intends to do more of this. >>> >>> He has a suitable costume (c. 1300 in style, roughly Luttrell Psalter >>> working-class). However, he could use a way to carry his recorder safely >>> and conveniently. Ideally, it should be something that hangs from his >>> body, as he has the habit of putting things down and forgetting them. >>> >>> I have never had the need to research period instrument cases, and I don't >>> really want to start now. But given the number of minstrel-types doing >>> re-enactment, I'm betting someone else has already devoted energy to this >>> subject. Can anyone point me to a webpage or other source for guidance? >>> >>> If I don't find any hard documentation, I figure I'll take some quilted >>> fabric and make a recorder-sized tube, and then cover that with some wool >>> -- or else just use batting between two layers to create a padded tube. >>> The end could close with a foldover that can be fastened (latchet or >>> button), or maybe with a drawstring. It would also need a strap that would >>> let him carry it on his back. (He does wear a belt, but he's small for his >>> age, and even a soprano recorder would end up knocking around his knees if >>> he hung it from a belt.) If anyone has advice to improve on that scheme, >>> I'm all ears. >>> >>> I have ruled out stuffing it down his hood liripipe primarily because he'd >>> probably end up sitting on it. But believe me, I was tempted. >>> >>> --Robin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 14:57:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5JvwIk017808 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:57:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5JvsWZ005319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:57:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5JuB23000643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:56:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Ju5kd038256; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:56:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Jtg7F037737 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:55:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c55.8af45ca (32913) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:55:32 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:55:30 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 758 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dfe51d04-0947-4091-844a-5e4e1fe61390 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4575CF42.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:57:58 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 05/12/2006 16:18:35 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > > It was absolute bliss, utterly fascinating - and in Scotland they > decided to take it off after 9 episodes, so we had to get the DVD to see > the last 3 months, grrr! I learned so much that you just don't think of > - not specifics, but general things, like, spring is not a time of > plenty, spring is the lean time while you wait for new stuff to grow. > And what tools and structures are permanent, and which are temporary or > disposable, made new when you need them. Wonderful series. > > Jean It was very good. Although Stuart's grinning about EVERYTHING got on my nerves :o) But with Ruth Goodman (font of 16th / 17th C knowledge that she is!) so involved it could hardly be anything but good. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 15:02:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5K2X9h018026 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:02:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5K2ThI010055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:02:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5JxgPL001446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:59:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Jxcks042465; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:59:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5JxQ1t042112 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:59:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 05 Dec 2006 19:54:39 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAABZedUXUSnIwh2dsb2JhbACMfwEBCQ4q Received: from 88-107-104-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.104.136]:1480 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GrgLL-0007KY-LS for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:52:43 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061205195107.03425040@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:54:36 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning In-Reply-To: <4575C392.80808@lavoltapress.com> References: <20061205172901.96306.qmail@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00ce01c71898$7cb76d80$ac00a8c0@compaqub> <7.0.1.0.2.20061205185059.0344ac50@suziclarke.co.uk> <4575C392.80808@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f27c7992-7e55-4163-9bfd-03d9e100de40 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4575D055.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:02:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 19:08 05/12/2006, you wrote: >Whalebone is now illegal, but the support and flexibility of the old >stuff are pretty similar to modern plastic boning. > >Fran > >>I use spiral steel for all Victorian era corsets, with straight >>steels either side the lacing holes, and a steel busk in the centre >>front if required. I would never use plastic boning for this period >>- where whalebone was not used, most times, as far as I know, >>spiral steel was used. To my mind, no matter what size the >>customer, the plastic stuff doesn't work for the period - I use it >>for earlier stuff though - I don't like cable ties. My original >>Victorian corsets have either whalebone or spirals. >>Suzi You can actually purchase whalebone legally from Inuit traders. This was on a discussion list I was looking at last week. I have a bundle of genuine corset whalebone inherited from an elderly corsetiere, ands while it is flexible like modern plastic boning, which I like for other periods, there is just a little more rigidity in the whalebone - and not because it is aged and dried out. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 15:04:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5K4Kos018116 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:04:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5K4GNV011807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:04:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5K1fBI001927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:01:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5K1bEg044723; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:01:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5K1XNX044568 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:01:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.ce7.31dcf1a (32913) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:01:24 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:01:21 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:corset boning X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a199b2ad-43cb-4bde-8fc4-6b9beb56066d X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4575D0C0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:04:20 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 05/12/2006 19:04:35 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > I use spiral steel for all Victorian era corsets, with straight > steels either side the lacing holes, and a steel busk in the centre > front if required. I would never use plastic boning for this period - > where whalebone was not used, most times, as far as I know, spiral > steel was used. To my mind, no matter what size the customer, the > plastic stuff doesn't work for the period - I use it for earlier > stuff though - I don't like cable ties. My original Victorian corsets > have either whalebone or spirals. > > Suzi I agree. I hate plastic boning in general (don't use it even on modern stuff. Never tried cable ties, but with steels being so cheap these days dpn't really see the point. As with Suzi, I use a combo of straight and spiral steel and steel busks. I use bolt cutters to cut the steels, and use metal endcaps. Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 15:06:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5K6bwo018248 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:06:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5K6Y7u013844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:06:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5K3ghQ002525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:03:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5K3ebf047036; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:03:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5K3ZIj046845 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:03:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cae.4abc6fb (32913) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:03:28 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:03:26 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] h-cost] What's your dressmaker dummy wearing and sewing affliction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78bae1d1-0739-4e18-940a-1556852516c8 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4575D14A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:06:37 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kB5K6bwo018248 Status: RO In a message dated 05/12/2006 19:04:35 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > I've thought about that a lot. I think I have a severe fear of making that > initial cut into "virgin" fabric. Anyone else suffer from this? completely - with expensive or hard to get fabric. imagine what I'll be like in a few weeks with the silk doublet I have to make. the silk's £70+ per metre!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 15:10:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5KAUTB018475 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:10:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5KAQ47007554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:10:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5K88Ae003696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:08:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5K86OW051784; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:08:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5K83nR051732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:08:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.136] (209-148-118-136.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.136]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kB5K816q012134 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:08:02 -0800 Message-ID: <4575D1A3.8080509@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:08:03 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning References: <20061205172901.96306.qmail@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00ce01c71898$7cb76d80$ac00a8c0@compaqub> <7.0.1.0.2.20061205185059.0344ac50@suziclarke.co.uk> <4575C392.80808@lavoltapress.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061205195107.03425040@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061205195107.03425040@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a707f846-d777-48dd-a723-c47c2e0dedce X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4575D233.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:10:30 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > > You can actually purchase whalebone legally from Inuit traders. This was > on a discussion list I was looking at last week. I have a bundle of > genuine corset whalebone inherited from an elderly corsetiere, ands > while it is flexible like modern plastic boning, which I like for other > periods, there is just a little more rigidity in the whalebone - and not > because it is aged and dried out. Whalebone does get brittle with age. I would not buy whalebone even legally because I think preserving the whale population is more important than "total accuracy." Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 15:24:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5KO5n0019160 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:24:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5KO1J2013452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:24:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5KLsBn007837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:21:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5KLmpA066957; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:21:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4j.socket.net [216.106.88.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5KLcoc066808 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:21:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B529D37484 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:21:37 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:21:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <00f401c7189e$90d11770$ac00a8c0@compaqub> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=22% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 782e719f-e950-4ff5-88f3-6192a75ad2d0 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4575D561.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:24:05 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Yes, You can find stripes in Germanic men and women's outfits. Men http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Robert_Campin_001.jpg women this one you kind o' miss, the woman in yellow has a brocade [diagonal?] stripes, monochromatic http://tinyurl.com/ylxjrk http://tinyurl.com/yjqfsv De -----Original Message----- If you want to crossdress, there are plenty of 15th & early 16thC Franco-Flemish & German males wearing stripes! Especially striped hosen, which is an interesting effect. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 15:28:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5KSgTf019356 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:28:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5KScUl017342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:28:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5KRuY9009424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:27:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5KRsJh073632; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:27:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.150]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB5KRpU6073454 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:27:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 25386 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2006 20:27:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VM9mStHV4TMe93r1HjG1EM0+FrsvbGRrXoei66x0C/fcomkE6KUYMXiP7SdO1cGdb39JAo5q/uXl4F33MO9IQsqMfjBdPfxmqFQBL6cqN4WVfRXCtq7AScCRNt6W8tKjV0jrXGrREF/3qySZz05Ms4s88LKnku944+nnW2sLhNg=; X-YMail-OSG: A.8iy.EVM1m.0rHakjfm._bD8rGwB8digj94sYDEt34NXpbaVEVrq18sodbT4l5X.foNKY7TlzxKSEvPtC4ochbGvlLeMZ36tbstBPpSIYvRNf2Wt8PMHw8PEbAalLiIPxn2ZJE5LCBqBYc- Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:27:45 PST Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:27:45 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00ce01c71898$7cb76d80$ac00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <948047.25160.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b805d311-b0ce-475d-8f80-bf5774eef053 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4575D676.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:28:42 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I haven't picked out any exact pattern or image, I don't know exactly how the corset is going to look like yet. The basic idea is of a corset without gussets (or with as little as possible), with rather vertical seams. I got a very special (and very funny, too) order from a man who bet with someone that he would live and behave like a woman for two days, which includes, of course, him being dressed as a lady. I think the point is that no one may recognize him, but I'm not sure, anyway, it's none of my business. The thing is, he wants me to make him a corset which would form his body to resemble a woman figure. This means to squeeze the waist. I thought some corset of the victorian style might be good for that, but the intention is not to be authentic, but to form the body. And as I've only done corsets for myself (using plastic boning), I wasn't sure about what kind of boning should I use in this case. I don't like plastic boning much because it's quite thick, so I started wondering about some steel. And repeating what I said above, the corset will be worn for two days without a break (except for sleeping). But I think I'll recommend the man to wear it some time before, to get used to it. E House wrote: What style of Victorian corset do you plan to make? Do you have a pattern/image picked out? How regularly do you plan to wear the corset--will it be a daily thing, on the weekends, a few times a year, or only once? -E House PS-- you might want to join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Historical_Corsets _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 15:41:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5KfmsU020019 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:41:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5KfivA029735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:41:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5Kd4rl011479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:39:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Kd1SQ085399; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:39:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Kcuif085199 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:38:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061205203850.BEUS13558.fep33.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:38:50 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.178]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061205203850.SDNL15028.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:38:50 +0100 Message-ID: <001c01c718ad$6d36b860$b214a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061205172901.96306.qmail@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com><00ce01c71898$7cb76d80$ac00a8c0@compaqub><7.0.1.0.2.20061205185059.0344ac50@suziclarke.co.uk><4575C392.80808@lavoltapress.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061205195107.03425040@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:39:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.20.178] at Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:38:48 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5206c12b-a51c-4323-ae6f-9fc3b47388a9 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4575D988.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:41:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi Suzi, Yes it is, and i also dont wonder any more, how they could make the big panniers that light and delicate, and still have the strenght to hold all the heavy fabric on the dresses. Plastic is all right, but really not the same. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning > At 19:08 05/12/2006, you wrote: >>Whalebone is now illegal, but the support and flexibility of the old stuff >>are pretty similar to modern plastic boning. >> >>Fran >> >>>I use spiral steel for all Victorian era corsets, with straight steels >>>either side the lacing holes, and a steel busk in the centre front if >>>required. I would never use plastic boning for this period - where >>>whalebone was not used, most times, as far as I know, spiral steel was >>>used. To my mind, no matter what size the customer, the plastic stuff >>>doesn't work for the period - I use it for earlier stuff though - I don't >>>like cable ties. My original Victorian corsets have either whalebone or >>>spirals. >>>Suzi > > You can actually purchase whalebone legally from Inuit traders. This was > on a discussion list I was looking at last week. I have a bundle of > genuine corset whalebone inherited from an elderly corsetiere, ands while > it is flexible like modern plastic boning, which I like for other periods, > there is just a little more rigidity in the whalebone - and not because it > is aged and dried out. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 16:27:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5LRGb4022019 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:27:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5LRCJO011794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:27:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5LPBQs021315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:25:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5LP0uC037064; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:25:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5LOnEX036780 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:24:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061205212440.DWHD22159.fep30.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:24:40 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.178]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061205212440.SEBV1080.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:24:40 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01c718b3$d5fd5330$b214a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <948047.25160.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:25:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.20.178] at Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:24:38 +0100 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2d9a8a60-19c5-4c87-9f75-eb247463a651 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4575E430.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:27:16 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi, I would not use a victorian corset for a man. It would be two uncomfortable for him to wear with the hourglass figure. Many years ago i made a costume for myself from the painting of Henry III of france, he has a very slim waist in the portrait, broad shoulders and a big ruff. I made a corset for myself to have that figure and i just rounded off the front part at the bottom and made 4 pieces in all with boning. Sorry i dont have any pictures, but it was when i was very young and slim, i really got the figure from the painting. He could always just wear a padding for the bust over the corset, not under. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning >I haven't picked out any exact pattern or image, I don't know exactly how >the corset is going to look like yet. The basic idea is of a corset without >gussets (or with as little as possible), with rather vertical seams. > I got a very special (and very funny, too) order from a man who bet with > someone that he would live and behave like a woman for two days, which > includes, of course, him being dressed as a lady. I think the point is > that no one may recognize him, but I'm not sure, anyway, it's none of my > business. The thing is, he wants me to make him a corset which would form > his body to resemble a woman figure. This means to squeeze the waist. I > thought some corset of the victorian style might be good for that, but the > intention is not to be authentic, but to form the body. And as I've only > done corsets for myself (using plastic boning), I wasn't sure about what > kind of boning should I use in this case. I don't like plastic boning much > because it's quite thick, so I started wondering about some steel. > And repeating what I said above, the corset will be worn for two days > without a break (except for sleeping). But I think I'll recommend the man > to wear it some time before, to get used to it. > > > > > E House wrote: > What style of Victorian corset do you plan to make? Do you have a > pattern/image picked out? How regularly do you plan to wear the > corset--will > it be a daily thing, on the weekends, a few times a year, or only once? > > -E House > > PS-- you might want to join > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Historical_Corsets > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Any questions? 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Try it now. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 16:48:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5LmDmR022666 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:48:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5Lm77N022137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:48:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5LjNQo025456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:45:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5LjDW0060941; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:45:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5LimKT060358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:45:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:10763 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Gri5h-0003ng-7c for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 15:44:41 -0600 Message-ID: <011a01c718b6$8df533c0$ac00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <948047.25160.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:44:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3dbbde7c-91a6-42b4-971c-d0539e7d77b9 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4575E917.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:48:12 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Longer post w/pics later tonight cos I'm about to go run errands, but in the late victorian/edwardian era there are men's corsets--you might want to base the one you make on them, at least in terms of design & construction, if not shape. (They were generally marketed towards older military men, who wanted to look sharp in their uniforms despite a saggy middle!) It sounds like metal boning would fit the bill, but so would plastic. There are several types of plastic ties available at a low cost at Home Depot & Lowes, and one of them is thin & narrow--not at all bulky. You have to use quite a lot more, but the end result is incredibly comfortable (almost like a corded corset). The drawback is that plastic boning does a much better job of molding itself to the body, which in this case is not at all the goal! Also, there's no reason that you can't combine the two. A combination of steel boning and whalebone is very common in corsets of the era. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 16:48:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5LmHXb022672 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:48:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5LmD3k029152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:48:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5LjXLh025507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:45:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5LjSi6061214; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:45:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5LjDSv060849 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:45:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id m7so2221535nzf for ; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:45:07 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WpHVydmYL3r86vBitO1zXwyEHYVqoxll3YKMB+22PgBraxLvda9ojKsqiPiYwetWyUcxiX8jrZ0H2/wfMqe3pg1XYDDD+jBgKOyeBLg41XN/TsTILFs9IxCl5Nlvhd1wLoPxuDkBsmW9+p21aPxUY+F52Ix4ETp3Rb1m3TnLMCg= Received: by 10.35.70.17 with SMTP id x17mr18523409pyk.1165355107070; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:45:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.51.11 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:45:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590612051345l62f685f1m47454578a76789ac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:45:06 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-cost] What's your dressmaker dummy wearing and sewing affliction In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a18554cc-c403-44d4-b01a-c97b9c2d3c64 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4575E91E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:48:17 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > > I've thought about that a lot. I think I have a severe fear of making > that > > initial cut into "virgin" fabric. Anyone else suffer from this? > > completely - with expensive or hard to get fabric. I use to have that problem big time, but now, the more I use such fabrics, the less I am intimidated by them. Now, taking apart a garment to remake it... I can't go there, the garments got to be really, really wrong before I'll take something apart and remake it. I'll find "cheats around such things so I don't have to take it apart. Like that 3" gap, I'd get a "privacy" panel of like or same fabric and insert it behind the lacings. I have a gown that was pearled, with the "perfect" Elizabethan style woven patterned fabric, that got washed and shrunk. It's taken me four years to decide to take it apart, part of the way and remake it for my granddaughter. alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 17:18:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5MIlEl023411 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:18:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5MIf5B001988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:18:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5MF9TL031032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:15:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5MF5tu091411; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:15:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5MEsgU091231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:15:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.129] (209-148-118-129.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.129]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kB5MEqOD007074 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:14:53 -0800 Message-ID: <4575EF5E.3090505@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:14:54 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning References: <948047.25160.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <948047.25160.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e150cc5-032e-4fab-b4c9-ac8060c0d349 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4575F041.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:18:47 -0500 (EST) Status: RO If it as a modern woman, a Victorian corset is not the thing. Speaking as a resident of San Francisco, I can say that the things that really give away a transvestite are the size and shape of the hands and wrists, the size of the shoulders, and often the shape of the jaw. Fran > I haven't picked out any exact pattern or image, I don't know exactly how the corset is going to look like yet. The basic idea is of a corset without gussets (or with as little as possible), with rather vertical seams. > I got a very special (and very funny, too) order from a man who bet with someone that he would live and behave like a woman for two days, which includes, of course, him being dressed as a lady. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 17:49:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5MnGKW024242 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:49:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5MnCk7025880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:49:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5MiLwE037129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:44:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5MiGia023573; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:44:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB5Mi8Ms023310 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:44:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 43064 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2006 22:44:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=e429SDp8pvQ0MwDO5eVUlkeaJ5GQKEMqRwicosFhRfevXs1FI5w+dQ5KbBF+i1dj7JKhC1Bd2PZdOVAJR606LoNsUmDef8Zp4PCOCufoola+97LZkpCCpUXJYcRuJZYuV9UsctbNpVWuPzviQ4/jaZvPaBhKWKyZJZU3PxxrbIQ= ; Message-ID: <20061205224403.43062.qmail@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.28.159.167] by web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:44:02 PST Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:44:02 -0800 (PST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5be5e70a-4a15-4c3a-8106-d9bcdf89ece5 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4575F768.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:49:16 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kB5MnGKW024242 Status: RO ----- Original Message ---- From: "tearoses@aol.com" To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, 6 December, 2006 4:58:04 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt >>>>So, Bella, are those images all Italians?<<<< Much more specific than that - they are all Venetians - either from Venice itself or from cities under Venetian dominion. :-) >>>>Are stripes ever found anywhere outside of Italy?<<<< I'm not really the right person to answer that - I'm too focused on Venice and the rest of Italy to take much else in. :-) But I will say that I _cannot remember_ having seen stripes on any non-religious or non-allegorical person in any other SCA region/time frame. That's not saying much though, because my memory doesn't always co-operate. :-) Bella The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 17:59:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Mx0SA024488 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:59:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5MwurI000927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:58:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5MtIIr039134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:55:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5MtDu2034991; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:55:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Mt9FG034920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 15:55:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id kB5Mt5te002356 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:55:08 -0500 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:01:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <54222.72.13.239.193.1165359672.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061205195107.03425040@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <20061205172901.96306.qmail@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00ce01c71898$7cb76d80$ac00a8c0@compaqub> <7.0.1.0.2.20061205185059.0344ac50@suziclarke.co.uk> <4575C392.80808@lavoltapress.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061205195107.03425040@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:01:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b9b7df7-ebff-4a9b-a101-00009519e6d8 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4575F9B0.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:59:00 -0500 (EST) Status: RO When discussing plastic corset boning, remember there are several types of plastic available. There is a "featherboning" that is often sold with a fabric covering, Wissner that comes in a couple of widths and thicknesses (and is supposed to be similar to whalebone), and Rigiline. Rigiline is actually thick nylon strands woven into a tape. At least I think it's nylon! They all have different qualities, and it would help to be specific when discussing how well they work. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 18:27:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5NROAG025221 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:27:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5NRKGi003983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:27:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5NP79p045512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:25:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5NP4CV066421; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:25:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sheppard1.torfree.net (sheppard1.torfree.net [204.225.122.150]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5NOvI3066288 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:24:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from animedaddy@yahoo.ca) Received: from acer-684c9a655d.yahoo.ca (unknown [69.90.218.155]) by sheppard1.torfree.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE74914FB9 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:18:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061205175951.03def8a0@torfree.net> Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061205172404.05b06f68@torfree.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:00:55 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: animedaddy@yahoo.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Help Needed With Suit Extras X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ccffbc9-b161-4839-a61b-81b1823e4025 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45760058.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:27:24 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi I have come up against a problem with my proposed Fursuit and the "extra" things that I cannot seem to solve with the research that I have been doing into it. I am looking for some help in finding a pattern for the TUNIC ... in the artwork for the suit that I am building. Someone suggested that it is similar to 15th Century French Military uniforms, but I have not been able to find anything similar while searching through the library or the net. Hopefully someone here can give me a pointer to something I can use. Here is a link to the Artwork for the suit: http://www.geocities.com/kliah_ts/Chasseuse.jpg Thank you, Kliah Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 18:41:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Negdg025643 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:40:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5NecYU014277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:40:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5NawO0047754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:36:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5NatiW078480; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:36:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5NamXq078289 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:36:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 05 Dec 2006 23:36:43 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAOCRdUXUSnIwh2dsb2JhbACNLwEBCQ4q Received: from 88-107-104-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.104.136]:2150 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GrjoF-000O6c-LK for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:34:47 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061205233435.033d87a8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:36:39 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help Needed With Suit Extras In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061205175951.03def8a0@torfree.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061205175951.03def8a0@torfree.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d3499f11-6c69-43b1-9690-bc031a9c8d5c X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45760376.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:40:42 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 23:00 05/12/2006, you wrote: >Hi >I have come up against a problem with my proposed Fursuit and the >"extra" things that I cannot seem to solve with the research that I >have been doing into it. >I am looking for some help in finding a pattern for the TUNIC ... >in the artwork for the suit that I am building. Someone suggested >that it is similar to 15th Century French Military uniforms, but I >have not been able to find anything similar while searching through >the library or the net. Hopefully someone here can give me a pointer >to something I can use. >Here is a link to the Artwork for the >suit: http://www.geocities.com/kliah_ts/Chasseuse.jpg I suggest you Google "19th Century Uniforms". You will find hundreds of images, which should help. This is a popular fantasy uniform style, and seems to be based on 19th, not 15th century uniform. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 18:43:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5NhYVC025696 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:43:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB5NhUSr004390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:43:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB5NefqL048436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:40:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Nee4q082155; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:40:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB5Neatn081997 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:40:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c19.a90e51e (60438) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d24 (mblk-d24.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.16]) by ciaaol-d02.mail.aol.com (v114.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD023-ec1645760366390; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:40:22 -0500 References: <200612052146.kB5LjcFJ061405@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:40:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200612052146.kB5LjcFJ061405@net.indra.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: tearoses@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 22250 Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d24.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.16) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:40:22 -0500 Message-Id: <8C8E6DDDDC1BE5F-2B8-11C9@mblk-d24.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.16 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7babd963-b1fa-48db-96ef-8528875a7369 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45760423.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:43:34 -0500 (EST) Status: RO But, are the striped hosen woven that way, or are they pieced? I was thinking I had seen an English doublet somewhere that looked like one of Bella's examples, but I can't find it now. I thought the stripes were probably applied ribbon, rather than woven, anyway. Those pictures from Germany are a little earlier than my period of interest (1530-1600), so I hadn't seen them. They're interesting, though. So it isn't that they couldn't weave stripes or that they'd never seen them. But why were they so rare? Does it require a special loom technology to weave stripes? It seems like they are only appearing on brocade-type fabrics, but I would have thought you could make stripes on any loom. Were stripes just not fashionable for some reason? Or was it the practice in Europe to dye most fabrics after they were woven, making stripes impossible? Tea Rose, who isn't making an outfit, just being curious. Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:52:46 -0600 From: "E House" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt ----- Original Message ----- From: > Are stripes ever found anywhere outside of Italy? If you want to crossdress, there are plenty of 15th & early 16thC Franco-Flemish & German males wearing stripes! Especially striped hosen, which is an interesting effect. -E House Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:21:54 -0600 From: "otsisto" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Yes, You can find stripes in Germanic men and women's outfits. Men http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Robert_Campin_001.jpg women this one you kind o' miss, the woman in yellow has a brocade [diagonal?] stripes, monochromatic http://tinyurl.com/ylxjrk http://tinyurl.com/yjqfsv De ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 19:16:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB60GLn2026638 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:16:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB60GIDG013001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:16:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB60DqJa054934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:13:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB60DnUd014693; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:13:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB60Dgot014513 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:13:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (failure[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006120600133601100fki0ke>; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:13:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8C8E6DDDDC1BE5F-2B8-11C9@mblk-d24.sysops.aol.com> References: <200612052146.kB5LjcFJ061405@net.indra.com> <8C8E6DDDDC1BE5F-2B8-11C9@mblk-d24.sysops.aol.com> Message-Id: <71781BCC-98FA-4E2D-961E-92D6AF3F4E21@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:12:03 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5992ca9e-b641-44c0-b386-a07de11e8411 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45760BD2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:16:21 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Stripes are easy to weave, no special loom technology required. However, most pre-modern dyes were not fast in linen, so if you wove a striped linen over time it would fade to being monochrome, plus, linen wasn't used for outerwear that much, so why bother wasting dye? This leaves mainly wool, and throughout most of history, wool was woven with the intent of being fulled, a process that felts the fibers together, which would blur and obscure your stripes. And, yes, a lot of wool was dyed in the piece, after weaving. There's also a theory that stripes were not just unfashionable but regarded as somewhat unholy during some parts of the middle ages, but I've heard experts take both pro and con on whether that was really the case, as well as when and where it might have been the case if it were. Here's a book about the theory: http://www.amazon.com/Devils-Cloth-History-Stripes/dp/0743472578/ sr=1-9/qid=1165363714/ref=sr_1_9/002-1662157-1188053?ie=UTF8&s=books _The Devil's Cloth: A History of Stripes_ by Michel Pastoreau, translated by Jody Gladding Have fun. Lauren On Dec 5, 2006, at 6:40 PM, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > But, are the striped hosen woven that way, or are they pieced? I > was thinking I had seen an English doublet > > somewhere that looked like one of Bella's examples, but I can't > find it now. I thought the stripes were > > probably applied ribbon, rather than woven, anyway. > > > > Those pictures from Germany are a little earlier than my period of > interest (1530-1600), so I hadn't seen > > them. They're interesting, though. > > > > So it isn't that they couldn't weave stripes or that they'd never > seen them. But why were they so rare? > > Does it require a special loom technology to weave stripes? It > seems like they are only appearing on > > brocade-type fabrics, but I would have thought you could make > stripes on any loom. Were stripes just not > > fashionable for some reason? Or was it the practice in Europe to > dye most fabrics after they were woven, > > making stripes impossible? > > > > Tea Rose, who isn't making an outfit, just being curious. > > > > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:52:46 -0600 > > From: "E House" > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > >> Are stripes ever found anywhere outside of Italy? > > > > If you want to crossdress, there are plenty of 15th & early 16thC > > Franco-Flemish & German males wearing stripes! Especially striped > hosen, > > which is an interesting effect. > > > > -E House > > > > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:21:54 -0600 > From: "otsisto" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt > > Yes, You can find stripes in Germanic men and women's outfits. > Men > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Robert_Campin_001.jpg > > women > this one you kind o' miss, the woman in yellow has a brocade > [diagonal?] > stripes, monochromatic > http://tinyurl.com/ylxjrk > http://tinyurl.com/yjqfsv > > De > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 19:26:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB60QjR1026958 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:26:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB60QdEI007215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:26:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB60Q0X0057461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:26:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB60PwmN025502; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:25:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB60PrNe025333 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:25:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.132] (sjs-130-65-37-132.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.132]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB60PlLV006434 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:25:47 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061205233435.033d87a8@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061205175951.03def8a0@torfree.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20061205233435.033d87a8@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2E5B7402-9120-4321-9792-F623AEBFED4D@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help Needed With Suit Extras Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:25:46 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7119aa02-03a9-4765-b2df-3867c5df8376 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45760E40.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:26:45 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Dec 5, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 23:00 05/12/2006, you wrote: >> Hi >> I have come up against a problem with my proposed Fursuit and the >> "extra" things that I cannot seem to solve with the research that >> I have been doing into it. >> I am looking for some help in finding a pattern for the TUNIC ... >> in the artwork for the suit that I am building. Someone suggested >> that it is similar to 15th Century French Military uniforms, but I >> have not been able to find anything similar while searching >> through the library or the net. Hopefully someone here can give me >> a pointer to something I can use. >> Here is a link to the Artwork for the suit: http:// >> www.geocities.com/kliah_ts/Chasseuse.jpg > > I suggest you Google "19th Century Uniforms". You will find > hundreds of images, which should help. This is a popular fantasy > uniform style, and seems to be based on 19th, not 15th century > uniform. Yeah, that jacket isn't 15th century at all. It's just the tights/ riding breeches and boots that are misleading. I'd say late 19th century or even very early 20th century European would be a good bet. There's a *lot* of braid and buttons on that jacket, and there was a trend in uniform design across Europe that started in the mid-19th century and ended with the beginning of WWI (and the need for huge quantities of mass-produced uniforms) of uniforms getting more and more ornate. You're going to laugh when I suggest this, but look for modern marching band (or drum corps) uniforms. Some are similarly based on 19th century uniform designs and have the same sort of crazy trim. -- andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen - http://www.bovil.com/ San Jose, CA - '72 R75/5 '86 R100 (mine) - '92 K75sa '03 R1150R (Kevin's) "It's not pink, it's peach-colored. Pink is tacky." --Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel 2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right hand Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 21:34:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB62YSeg029973 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:34:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB62YOGo012327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:34:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB62Wjcb080681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:32:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB62Wf4t027376; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:32:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB62WbuK027260 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:32:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.35]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061206023232.JNVY24535.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:32:32 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.35]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061206023231.WTSX25313.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:32:31 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20061205202929.026a0a00@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:32:27 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d941577f-5e6e-4f96-81f1-c395ebbc9fa0 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45762C30.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:34:28 -0500 (EST) Status: RO For those awaiting (such as I am) "Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII", the publisher has informed me that the release date has been delayed to May 2007. Beth Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII by Maria Hayward. Maney Pub. (). Clothbound with full colour dustjacket, ca 384 pages with ca 150 b&w and 30 colour illustrations. ISBN 1904350704. http://www.maney.co.uk/search?fwaction=show&fwid=649 "Henry VIII used his wardrobe, and that of his family and household, as a way of expressing his wealth and magnificence. This book will encompass the first detailed study of male and female dress worn at the court of Henry VIII (1509-47) and will cover the dress of the king and his immediate family, the royal household and the broader court circle consisting of the nobility and clergy. Evidence will be drawn primarily from the Great Wardrobe accounts, wardrobe warrants, and inventories, and it will be interpreted using evidence from narrative sources, paintings, drawings and surviving garments. Key areas for consideration will include the cut and construction of garments, materials and colours, the function of livery and the hierarchy of dress amongst the social elite, and the network of craftsmen and merchants working for the court. " Maria Hayward (FSA, Reader in Textile Conservation, University of Southampton, UK) is also Assistant Editor of Costume - Journal of The Costume Society _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 21:47:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB62lELX030238 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:47:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB62lB5K013971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:47:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB62jTQa083010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:45:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB62jR1Q036386; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:45:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB62jNRO036329 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:45:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m183.in-tch.com [216.166.191.183]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id kB62Wn500553 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:32:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <007301c718e1$c50202a0$b7bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061205224403.43062.qmail@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:53:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 94f655fa-0501-4497-b1d3-6672fb52ddc1 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45762F2F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:47:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO What about the occasional stripes showing up in the Manesse Codex? There's also that picture of Beatrice Sforza, and it's clearly striped (black and white, IIRC). Okay, so she's Italian, but she wasn't Venetian. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bella" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt > > >>>>Are stripes ever found anywhere outside of Italy?<<<< > > > I'm not really the right person to answer that - I'm too focused on Venice and the rest of Italy to take much else in. :-) But I will say that I _cannot remember_ having seen stripes on any non-religious or non-allegorical person in any other SCA region/time frame. That's not saying much though, because my memory doesn't always co-operate. :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 21:58:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB62wFln030511 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:58:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB62wBlr028299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:58:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB62u7Hx085128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:56:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB62u3s6044084; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:56:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB62txed044023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:56:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1GrmxZ-0005hf-9G for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:56:37 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:56:37 -0600 (CST) From: Cat Dancer X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt In-Reply-To: <8C8E6DDDDC1BE5F-2B8-11C9@mblk-d24.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: References: <200612052146.kB5LjcFJ061405@net.indra.com> <8C8E6DDDDC1BE5F-2B8-11C9@mblk-d24.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6bee4c42-62e7-4d25-8673-e10d5a408475 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457631C3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:58:15 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I've just come off teaching a class on social distinctions in dress 1100-1500, and at least in the visual corpus, stripes are usually only seen on musicians or servants or people who are in some way social inferiors. There's at least one sumptuary law requiring prostitutes to wear rayed (striped) cloth*, for instance. [1351 London. Also 1351, in Castile, female 'companions' of the clergy required to wear striped cloth. That's all I've got in my sumptuary research about stripes.] In the Sachenspiegel (I know I probably butchered that spelling), a German law text of around the 13th century, parti-colour and stripes are used to denote the layers of feudalism. The top guy is in green or red, then his vassal is in parti-colour solids, then the vassal's vassal is in parti-colour one solid and one wide horizontal stripes, and lower than that is parti-colour with narrow stripes. [There's another class here somewhere about the perils of costume research using visual sources, that's next on the list.] I suspect that the woman in stripes in the third URL that De posted is Mary Magdalen, which would go along with the theory of using stripes to denote prostitutes. So we might be running up against an artistic convention regarding the use of stripes vs. actual use of stripes in everyday clothing. Pixel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 22:25:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB63PHEQ031079 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:25:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB63PE14015461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:25:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB63OM0O090073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:24:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB63OJqU065894; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:24:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB63OEna065809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:24:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-241-26-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.241.26]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB63OBgA031491 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:24:12 +1100 Message-ID: <005301c718e6$00930bd0$1af1f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-cost] What's your dressmaker dummy wearing and sewingaffliction Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:24:11 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=30% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 859e6cd5-55b8-48d9-ac68-9dfece14248d X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4576381A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:25:17 -0500 (EST) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:03 AM Subject: [h-cost] h-cost] What's your dressmaker dummy wearing and sewingaffliction In a message dated 05/12/2006 19:04:35 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: >> I've thought about that a lot. I think I have a severe fear of making >> that >> initial cut into "virgin" fabric. Anyone else suffer from this? >completely - with expensive or hard to get fabric. >imagine what I'll be like in a few weeks with the silk doublet I have to >make. the silk's £70+ per metre!! Oddly enough I get the same reaction to something that was a real bargain, it's all about the irreplaceable nature of the fabric, if it's really expensive or an incredible bargain because I think if I stuff this up I won't be able to afford to replace the fabric, I had those sort of fears with a $3 per metre brocade because I thought it's going to be essentially impossible to replace (this was heightened by the fact that I was using a new pattern and I hadn't really tested it 'in the field', so to speak). If I know it's something I'll be able to buy again next time it's in season or next time I go to the fabric shop for a similar price (which basically means linen, fustian or cotton) I don't have the same reaction. But, because stuff usually matures in my fabric stash for at least a few months before I end up using it, by the time I get around to using anything that runs in fashionable cycles (e.g. brocades) it's gone from the shops never to be seen again. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 22:29:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB63TtIA031173 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:29:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB63Tq8J024266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:29:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB63TBtw091151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:29:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB63TAUX069572; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:29:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (88.d2.1343.static.theplanet.com [67.19.210.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB63T6kE069512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:29:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GrnT4-00037G-6q; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:29:10 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:29:10 -0500 Message-ID: <20061205222910.9r6hntve208asko4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:29:10 -0500 From: "Susan B. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:29:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting Beth and Bob Matney : > For those awaiting (such as I am) "Dress at the Court of King Henry > VIII", the publisher has informed me that the release date has been > delayed to May 2007. Do you have any idea about how much it's going to cost? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 22:42:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB63g1Jw031444 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:42:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB63fvXZ001466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:42:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB63d0aR092790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:39:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB63cviE077298; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:38:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB63cs1B077168 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:38:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 5921 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2006 03:38:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wgb5TC1UAqmqbfPknECg4M+7cN96sqTROa32juGGy700C/ndcY5TTGMhjuaLgs20VIZlKV6fWcjwJEQ/YkDGfDqRU0lauaSx1j0W/WA19GOzICFDy7ZULHTCTtZ8e5J4Ju8Ojymp/7XJS1/WKFfSguk2PiCdxZEoCZOUUuft8Fw= ; Message-ID: <20061206033849.5919.qmail@web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.28.159.167] by web31503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:38:49 PST Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:38:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 84b7bdd6-d9ce-4ed2-80d8-30e5de1d5fbf X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45763C05.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:42:01 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kB63g1Jw031444 Status: RO You see what I mean about my memory Sue?! Yes, Beatrice d'Este is a very good example (I think most opinions I've heard say that the stripes are applied in that example, to relate this back to the original question). I have not studied the Manesse Codex and can't speak to that. And yes, she is another Italian example. I'm sure there are more out there, but as I said, anything not 16thc Venetian or Italian is not my forte. :-) Bella ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Clemenger mooncat@in-tch.com What about the occasional stripes showing up in the Manesse Codex? There's also that picture of Beatrice Sforza, and it's clearly striped (black and white, IIRC). Okay, so she's Italian, but she wasn't Venetian. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bella" bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au> > >>>>Are stripes ever found anywhere outside of Italy?<<<< > > > I'm not really the right person to answer that - I'm too focused on Venice and the rest of Italy to take much else in. :-) But I will say that I _cannot remember_ having seen stripes on any non-religious or non-allegorical person in any other SCA region/time frame. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:49:28 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kB63nSuc031631 Status: RO I’m gearing up to make a new dress, and was wondering if anybody on here has made up the 1878 dress from Janet Arnold’s Pattern of Fashion 2. (ha – rhetorical question – I’m sure somebody has!) I’m got a general idea of what I want out of the dress, and this seems to be closest to what I want. However, I want to shorten the skirt and remove the train, and let the main dress be split up the front to where it starts to button. I’ll wear an underskirt underneath it. Should I break down and buy a Truly Victorian pattern or something else like that? I’m 5’3” 32-26-35, corseted, and this dress looks a bit big for me. Not that resizing scares me, it’s just that the design of the pattern looks harder to get smaller by just fitting it down. Thanks! Quia Christus Perpetuo Regnat, Elisabeth -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.9/573 - Release Date: 12/5/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 5 23:11:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB64B0bB031963 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:11:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB64AvDH021289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:11:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB64AGOe097738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:10:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB64AEi4001482; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:10:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB64AAn4001373 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.35]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061206041005.ODNM24535.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:10:05 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.35]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061206041004.XVQM25313.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:10:04 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20061205213634.027ea230@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:09:59 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200612060324.kB63OKHv065915@net.indra.com> References: <200612060324.kB63OKHv065915@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kB64AAn4001373 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 198c572b-9207-41f1-babe-745277ad556e X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457642D1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:11:00 -0500 (EST) Status: RO There are existing striped Spanish (royal) garments from Museo de Telas Medievales. These are a bit earlier that those Italian being discussed (some back to the 13C). See: Vestiduras ricas : el Monasterio de las Huelgas y su época, 1170-1340 : del 16 de marzo al 19 de junio de 2005 Madrid: Patrimonio Nacional, [2005]. 293 p.: 66 colour plates and 71 colour il.; 29x24 cm. paperback ISBN 8471203839 Silk Textiles of Spain: Eighth to Fifteenth Century by Florence May. HISPANIC SOCIETY OF AMERICA (1957) Hardcover. 286 pages, 161 illustrations in black and white and 6 in full color. ISBN: 1399934503 Museo de Telas Medievales by C. HerreroCarretero. Monasterio de Santa Maria la Real de Huelgas, Madrid, 1988. ISBN 8471201275 I have not checked my copy of Hispanic costume, 1480-1530 by Ruth Matilda Anderson. New York: Hispanic Society of America, 1979. x, 293 p. : ill. ; 29 cm. hardcover ISBN 0875351263 to see if they were in later use. Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 00:16:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB65GcXu001189 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:16:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB65GYTC003140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:16:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB65FKD1006975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:15:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB65FHPE048091; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:15:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2a.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB65FDZU048041 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:15:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 749BB348D0 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:15:13 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:15:33 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f28c6070-2c43-4f36-b6fc-6efc7a739e4c X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45765232.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:16:38 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Diagonal stripes on a King. Horizontal on a musician http://tinyurl.com/y5qynw Various ranks http://tinyurl.com/y8avx6 A lord http://tinyurl.com/y3fqet Young man http://tinyurl.com/yy3cng Master http://tinyurl.com/wzam6 Armourer and apron? http://www.tempora-nostra.de/tempora-nostra/manesse.php?id=203&tfl=124 Various stripes, master and musicians http://www.tempora-nostra.de/tempora-nostra/manesse.php?id=203&tfl=130 woodsman? http://www.tempora-nostra.de/tempora-nostra/manesse.php?id=203&tfl=127 I know there are later period on women's striped garments but I do not have time right now to search for them. De -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Cat Dancer Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:57 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt I've just come off teaching a class on social distinctions in dress 1100-1500, and at least in the visual corpus, stripes are usually only seen on musicians or servants or people who are in some way social inferiors. There's at least one sumptuary law requiring prostitutes to wear rayed (striped) cloth*, for instance. [1351 London. Also 1351, in Castile, female 'companions' of the clergy required to wear striped cloth. That's all I've got in my sumptuary research about stripes.] In the Sachenspiegel (I know I probably butchered that spelling), a German law text of around the 13th century, parti-colour and stripes are used to denote the layers of feudalism. The top guy is in green or red, then his vassal is in parti-colour solids, then the vassal's vassal is in parti-colour one solid and one wide horizontal stripes, and lower than that is parti-colour with narrow stripes. [There's another class here somewhere about the perils of costume research using visual sources, that's next on the list.] I suspect that the woman in stripes in the third URL that De posted is Mary Magdalen, which would go along with the theory of using stripes to denote prostitutes. So we might be running up against an artistic convention regarding the use of stripes vs. actual use of stripes in everyday clothing. Pixel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 00:47:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB65leSk002077 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:47:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB65la6u004099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:47:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB65jsv2010792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB65jrR8069059; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:45:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB65jL28068548 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:45:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9114B3D for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:45:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204A91C247B for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:45:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.126]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:45:11 -0700 Received: from wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.72]) by wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:45:11 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] corset boning Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:45:09 -0700 Message-ID: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D96401E8D557@wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <200612051902.kB5J1HGr078530@net.indra.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] corset boning Thread-Index: AccYoGbT57Kg0bH8TpO0/+waeIdKBAAKIC+g From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2006 05:45:11.0941 (UTC) FILETIME=[B239E350:01C718F9] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kB65jL28068548 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b277a0b8-07ca-4811-b569-dc9080a8c2ed X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45765978.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:47:40 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > I've a question for all corset makers here: which kind of > boning (steel or plastic) would you use for a Victorian - > style corset (if not a real whalebone)? And generally, what > experiences do you have when using steel or plastic boning? > Do you mix them as well? > I'd really like to hear some experiences:-)) Here's my 2 cents on this subject: There are 6 options that I've heard of to replicate whale boning - I've only tried 4, and I've never bothered to mix plastic with metal as my initial experiences with plastic weren't positive. 1) spiral steel boning - this is what I most frequently use for mid-late Victorian. It's the most expensive option (apart from artificial whale bone), and a bit heavy, but it curves wonderfully well. If you're used to Tudor/Elizabethan corsets, this will be a revelation. My favorite corset supply on-line order place is Farthingales (mostly because I'm in northern Ohio, and they're just over the border in Canada so the shipping is very very quick): you can see their spiral boning at http://www.farthingales.on.ca/spiral_bones.php 2) Flat steel boning - I've used this alone for Elizabethan corsets, and mixed in judiciously with spiral steel boning to reduce the cost of Victorian corsets. Also, it allows for no torque, so if you find the spiral bone is twisting in the bone case, I've found that replacing the spiral with flat steel boning helps. You'll want the 1/4 inch for Victorian. Nothing wider. See farthingales for an example of flat steel boning: http://www.farthingales.on.ca/spring_steel_bones.php 3) Cording - this is most appropriate for early Victorian, and is very comfortable, though the most time consuming option to do, and can be hard on fingers/wrists if you have carpel tunnel problems. I have a corset made from the 1870s pattern in Waugh which mixes cording and some spiral and flat boning, and you'd never guess from how ridged it is how little metal is in the corset. Also, the affect of the stuffed cords (even when not decorative in design) is beautiful! 4) plastic strapping, generally used to tie boxes and stuff together at places like Home Depot. I've never tried this, though friends swear by it for Tudor/Elizabethan. I can't guess how well it would work for a curvy Victorian, but it can't be worse then the plastic boning you can buy at Jo-Anns, and it's hard to beat the price. 5) reed boning - I'd only suggest this if you were doing really early Victorian. It doesn't do curvy too well. I made a reasonably comfortable 18th cent. Corset out of it (it breathes very well) but isn't quite strong enough to keep me from trying to bend from the waist. Which cracked the boning. It's still functional as a corset, it just looks a little funny when it's off me, and the sound when I tried to bend was rather startling. I bought my reed from silly sisters: http://www.sillysisters.com/otheritems.htm 6) Fake Whale boning - it's a special type of plastic that's supposed to mimic whale bone. I've never used it. It's somewhat expensive. You can get it from farthingales (http://www.farthingales.on.ca/plastic_bones.php) Now that I've caught up on the further discussion that happened before I got back to writing this e-mail I don't know if this will be helpful... But it can't hurt :-) -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 00:47:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB65loGs002080 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:47:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB65lkjR004267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:47:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB65jUpT010719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:45:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB65jQL1068680; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:45:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB65jMC5068549 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:45:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E0A1F308 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:45:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423241C2478 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:45:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.126]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:45:11 -0700 Received: from wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.72]) by wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:45:11 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] corset boning Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:45:09 -0700 Message-ID: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D96401E8D557@wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <200612051902.kB5J1HGr078530@net.indra.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] corset boning Thread-Index: AccYoGbT57Kg0bH8TpO0/+waeIdKBAAKIC+g From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2006 05:45:11.0941 (UTC) FILETIME=[B239E350:01C718F9] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kB65jMC5068549 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9b0dd18-a38c-4343-aa36-8cdc32016196 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45765983.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:47:50 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > I've a question for all corset makers here: which kind of > boning (steel or plastic) would you use for a Victorian - > style corset (if not a real whalebone)? And generally, what > experiences do you have when using steel or plastic boning? > Do you mix them as well? > I'd really like to hear some experiences:-)) Here's my 2 cents on this subject: There are 6 options that I've heard of to replicate whale boning - I've only tried 4, and I've never bothered to mix plastic with metal as my initial experiences with plastic weren't positive. 1) spiral steel boning - this is what I most frequently use for mid-late Victorian. It's the most expensive option (apart from artificial whale bone), and a bit heavy, but it curves wonderfully well. If you're used to Tudor/Elizabethan corsets, this will be a revelation. My favorite corset supply on-line order place is Farthingales (mostly because I'm in northern Ohio, and they're just over the border in Canada so the shipping is very very quick): you can see their spiral boning at http://www.farthingales.on.ca/spiral_bones.php 2) Flat steel boning - I've used this alone for Elizabethan corsets, and mixed in judiciously with spiral steel boning to reduce the cost of Victorian corsets. Also, it allows for no torque, so if you find the spiral bone is twisting in the bone case, I've found that replacing the spiral with flat steel boning helps. You'll want the 1/4 inch for Victorian. Nothing wider. See farthingales for an example of flat steel boning: http://www.farthingales.on.ca/spring_steel_bones.php 3) Cording - this is most appropriate for early Victorian, and is very comfortable, though the most time consuming option to do, and can be hard on fingers/wrists if you have carpel tunnel problems. I have a corset made from the 1870s pattern in Waugh which mixes cording and some spiral and flat boning, and you'd never guess from how ridged it is how little metal is in the corset. Also, the affect of the stuffed cords (even when not decorative in design) is beautiful! 4) plastic strapping, generally used to tie boxes and stuff together at places like Home Depot. I've never tried this, though friends swear by it for Tudor/Elizabethan. I can't guess how well it would work for a curvy Victorian, but it can't be worse then the plastic boning you can buy at Jo-Anns, and it's hard to beat the price. 5) reed boning - I'd only suggest this if you were doing really early Victorian. It doesn't do curvy too well. I made a reasonably comfortable 18th cent. Corset out of it (it breathes very well) but isn't quite strong enough to keep me from trying to bend from the waist. Which cracked the boning. It's still functional as a corset, it just looks a little funny when it's off me, and the sound when I tried to bend was rather startling. I bought my reed from silly sisters: http://www.sillysisters.com/otheritems.htm 6) Fake Whale boning - it's a special type of plastic that's supposed to mimic whale bone. I've never used it. It's somewhat expensive. You can get it from farthingales (http://www.farthingales.on.ca/plastic_bones.php) Now that I've caught up on the further discussion that happened before I got back to writing this e-mail I don't know if this will be helpful... But it can't hurt :-) -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 00:53:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB65rAxe002185 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:53:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB65r6i6007813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:53:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB65ojjv011265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:50:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB65oinw072156; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:50:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB65odIU072100 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:50:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=KyquIAB5XDVUYjaGY3qtrwN4z9aVBn8L9+1DL2MlOFe5FxttmURE+iP3lZLymW6q; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.126.135.2] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Grpfy-0000Jt-An for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:50:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:56:12 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-cost] What's your dressmaker dummy wearing and sewing affliction Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c9df5139c9469d44679e861047755f20c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.126.135.2 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0216621-055b-42da-be1c-8472effd1078 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45765AC2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:53:10 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 3:03 PM -0500 12/5/06, Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 05/12/2006 19:04:35 GMT Standard Time, >h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > >> I've thought about that a lot. I think I have a severe fear of making that >> initial cut into "virgin" fabric. Anyone else suffer from this? > >completely - with expensive or hard to get fabric. I once shared a house with a friend who made her living as a seamstress. She said she got a lot of business from brides who started out intending to make their own dresses, but chickened out when it came to cutting the expensive fabric... -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 01:27:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB66R8kp002643 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 01:27:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB66R4GQ022125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 01:27:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB66PlK5015296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:25:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB66PiZL096689; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:25:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB66PdFJ096631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:25:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kB66Qc8Y020888 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 01:26:38 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-cost] What's your dressmaker dummy wearing and sewing =?iso-8859-1?q?=09affliction?= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 01:32:43 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200612060132.43771.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b55c8e1c-59fe-4545-955a-d82240a176d7 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457662B8.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 01:27:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tuesday 05 December 2006 9:56 pm, Chris Laning wrote: > At 3:03 PM -0500 12/5/06, Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 05/12/2006 19:04:35 GMT Standard Time, > > > >h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > >> I've thought about that a lot. I think I have a severe fear of making > >> that initial cut into "virgin" fabric. Anyone else suffer from this? > > > >completely - with expensive or hard to get fabric. > > I once shared a house with a friend who made her living as a > seamstress. She said she got a lot of business from brides who > started out intending to make their own dresses, but chickened out > when it came to cutting the expensive fabric... I believe it. Though I tend to be squeamish about making the first cuts, even if I'm using budget fabric. Guess it's just the irrevocability of the act; you can't really "uncut" fabric. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 03:05:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB685jPU003911 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 03:05:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB685fnl025746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 03:05:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6844ok027020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 01:04:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB683ttc066704; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 01:03:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB683prY066562 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 01:03:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c27.b577ea3 (40522) for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 03:03:40 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 03:03:37 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 761 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4fac2f8e-6e9e-448e-b5be-7ebb6fe840de X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457679D5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 03:05:45 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 06/12/2006 03:25:58 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > I use to have that problem big time, but now, the more I use such fabrics, > the less I am intimidated by them. oh I wish that would happen with me. over a decade of making stuff from expensive fabric (more than half of that full time) and I STILL have to mentally prepare myself!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 06:40:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6BeRc1009235 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:40:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6BeNBX023831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:40:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6BbUES057511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 04:37:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6BbNFk030094; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 04:37:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6BbJKO029927 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 04:37:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1457.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.179]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83005319969 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:37:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4576AB71.8070401@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:37:21 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning References: <948047.25160.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4575EF5E.3090505@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4575EF5E.3090505@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=19% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0d965f4a-18a2-4f6c-9e3d-588b7c93be6a X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4576AC27.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:40:27 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Maybe you could use the man's corset pattern from Laughing moon http://www.lafnmoon.com/113_underbust_corset.html One of the mistakes a lot of travesties make is that they use to much makeup. And colors that are too hard. Greetings, Deredere Lavolta Press wrote: > If it as a modern woman, a Victorian corset is not the thing. > > Speaking as a resident of San Francisco, I can say that the things > that really give away a transvestite are the size and shape of the > hands and wrists, the size of the shoulders, and often the shape of > the jaw. > > Fran > >> I haven't picked out any exact pattern or image, I don't know exactly >> how the corset is going to look like yet. The basic idea is of a >> corset without gussets (or with as little as possible), with rather >> vertical seams. I got a very special (and very funny, too) order >> from a man who bet with someone that he would live and behave like a >> woman for two days, which includes, of course, him being dressed as a >> lady. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 08:40:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6DeVxH011984 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:40:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6DeRIC032122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:40:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6DahLN075267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:36:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6Dad5Y030343; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:36:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB6DaY0I030210 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:36:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 63781 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2006 13:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.154.95 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2006 13:36:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pE90TpsVM1lgEL7C.YU05mRkY.7OEXCFy2T2sREZektVokhHnvBCRJTT5xyyrlXADs2LQJzwCaCXto.l0JPzoQzoIgav615FsJ5mEOvzkR76Eo6y4nF_B7I- Message-ID: <001f01c7193b$833aeb70$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <45763d5b.719c3b12.5799.ffff8efd@mx.google.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:36:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5473a8c8-bfd0-4275-a07c-f528ab325951 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4576C84B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:40:31 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I am not sure of the split skirt for this time... You might get a copy of Fran Gimble's fashions for the Gilded Age. It has a great deal of info and pattern shapes suitable for the period and the cost for the book is comparable to the pattern you are contemplating. Your size seems to be of the ordinary so that you could use any fitted bodice and/or skirt and duplicate any of the shapes in this book. I have used it a lot with some pleasant success. Kathleen From: "Elisabeth Doornink" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:47 PM Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) I’m gearing up to make a new dress, and was wondering if anybody on here has made up the 1878 dress from Janet Arnold’s Pattern of Fashion 2. (ha – rhetorical question – I’m sure somebody has!) I’m got a general idea of what I want out of the dress, and this seems to be closest to what I want. However, I want to shorten the skirt and remove the train, and let the main dress be split up the front to where it starts to button. I’ll wear an underskirt underneath it. Should I break down and buy a Truly Victorian pattern or something else like that? I’m 5’3” 32-26-35, corseted, and this dress looks a bit big for me. Not that resizing scares me, it’s just that the design of the pattern looks harder to get smaller by just fitting it down. Thanks! Quia Christus Perpetuo Regnat, Elisabeth -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.9/573 - Release Date: 12/5/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 08:58:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6DwxeW012589 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:58:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6Dwta5003356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:58:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6DuAeg078540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:56:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6Du9Qw048612; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:56:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6Du1sE048432 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:56:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c93.34ee2da (40521) for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:55:50 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:55:48 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] no title X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e7d2264-058b-4184-92e1-9a4ff6f7864e X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4576CCA0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:00:40 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 06/12/2006 13:38:52 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > My favorite corset supply on-line order place is Farthingales (mostly > because I'm in northern Ohio, and they're just over the border in Canada so the > shipping is very very quick): you can see their spiral boning at > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/spiral_bones.php and I'm in the UK, and have used farthingales many times - they're fabulous, and v quick. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 09:21:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6ELFRf013103 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:21:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6ELBwI008546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:21:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6E98Zv080449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:09:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6E96lp060744; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:09:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6E8fFP060411 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:09:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so152961ugc for ; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:08:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PtrMsgGFe8H5Yh+cIrSfOuQAp1EPSDVuF4+x++xMMcMyXBoGEmN66f+UiEb4K5LywwsRRkXXsnCu+LNVo/r693PMCxGXjiaYbAcdhcM986OZYXUic4U599U9wCDSxugo3HQ8YAEtELg/LdFYAXr0/Ejz1wFW4uV7AhuqbnngcnQ= Received: by 10.82.129.8 with SMTP id b8mr127874bud.1165414119840; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:08:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.177.7 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:08:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070612060608x122248d8md3991dee4b764d9e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:08:39 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-cost] What's your dressmaker dummy wearing and sewingaffliction In-Reply-To: <005301c718e6$00930bd0$1af1f4dc@user4712b7d135> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <005301c718e6$00930bd0$1af1f4dc@user4712b7d135> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kB6E8fFP060411 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3d897c4-7dbd-4f2c-b7cb-1bc4f4ea21a7 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4576D1D7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:21:15 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I have this beautiful piece of silk taffeta plaid, that I need to make a sash and overskirt for my 1860s gown for _this_ Saturday and I am worried about cutting into it and screwing up. The silk was a remnant, so it was inexpensive, but it has the right shades for my hard to match pink gown. I cut much more happily and confidently when I have 15 yards and only need 10. For this I have just enough (I hope). To get more of this I'll probably have to pay $50+ a yard if I can find it at all..... I did find the most wonderful tasseled trim (at retail unfortunately), a passementerie tassel fringe to compliment the plaid and the original dress, $50 a yard but I only needed 1/4 yard for enough tassels. I just hope they don't get impossibly tangled while dancing. I do hope I can get it done in time. I've started a page for it here: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/1860_pink_plaid.html Katy Katy On 12/5/06, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:03 AM > Subject: [h-cost] h-cost] What's your dressmaker dummy wearing and > sewingaffliction > > > In a message dated 05/12/2006 19:04:35 GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > > >> I've thought about that a lot. I think I have a severe fear of making > >> that > >> initial cut into "virgin" fabric. Anyone else suffer from this? > > >completely - with expensive or hard to get fabric. > > >imagine what I'll be like in a few weeks with the silk doublet I have to > >make. the silk's £70+ per metre!! > > Oddly enough I get the same reaction to something that was a real bargain, > it's all about the irreplaceable nature of the fabric, if it's really > expensive or an incredible bargain because I think if I stuff this up I > won't be able to afford to replace the fabric, I had those sort of fears > with a $3 per metre brocade because I thought it's going to be essentially > impossible to replace (this was heightened by the fact that I was using a > new pattern and I hadn't really tested it 'in the field', so to speak). If I > know it's something I'll be able to buy again next time it's in season or > next time I go to the fabric shop for a similar price (which basically means > linen, fustian or cotton) I don't have the same reaction. But, because stuff > usually matures in my fabric stash for at least a few months before I end up > using it, by the time I get around to using anything that runs in > fashionable cycles (e.g. brocades) it's gone from the shops never to be seen > again. > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 09:37:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6EbUIb013490 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:37:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6EbQ7k027585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:37:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6EYElY085748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:34:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6EYBTC087510; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:34:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6EY4K0087324 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:34:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4A75C97 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:33:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25593146C6F for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:33:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:33:57 -0700 Received: from wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.72]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:33:57 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:33:56 -0700 Message-ID: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D96401EE3C45@wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <200612061337.kB6Dajrb030449@net.indra.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 1878 Janet Arnold dress Thread-Index: AccZPAIQEMD8rvbgSty8WAmMc5DUagABSRWg From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2006 14:33:57.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[900C31D0:01C71943] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kB6EY4K0087324 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: 1878 Janet Arnold dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 14d0fd0d-dc06-4d8e-977f-bebf0a90d9dc X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4576D5A6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:37:30 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > I'm gearing up to make a new dress, and was wondering if > anybody on here has made up the 1878 dress from Janet > Arnold's Pattern of Fashion 2. (ha - rhetorical question - > I'm sure somebody has!) I'm got a general idea of what I want > out of the dress, and this seems to be closest to what I want. > However, I want to shorten the skirt and remove the train, > and let the main dress be split up the front to where it > starts to button. I'll wear an underskirt underneath it. > > Should I break down and buy a Truly Victorian pattern or > something else like that? I'm 5'3" 32-26-35, corseted, and > this dress looks a bit big for me. > Not that resizing scares me, it's just that the design of the > pattern looks harder to get smaller by just fitting it down. I have not made the 1878 Janet Arnold dress, but I recently made a variation on the 1870-1 one... And I did find it easier/faster to start from the Truly Victorian patterns and alter from there... They didn't have a peplum, so that required lots of fussing, but starting with a skirt and bodice that fit me and then altering them to the peculiarities of the dress Arnold documented was easier for me then trying to scale up the pattern to my size. Also, Victorian bodices are generally pretty standard in their cut - mid-late bodices almost always have 2 darts to fit the waist and bosom to either side of CF, a center back funky shaped piece and either a center front or center back opening (from my perusal of vintage fashions center front is more common, but if you look at fashion plates and high fashion center back seems equally common). Now that I look at the 1878 dress, I don't think it would be easier to start from a Truly Victorian pattern - their princess style dress (the 1882 tea gown http://trulyvictorian.netfirms.com/catalog/432.html) does not have the horizontal side-waist dart, nor the bustled back option, nor does the back have a large dart but is actually made of separate pieces. That said, the princess style tea gown goes together very easily/quickly - even if you're fitting yourself in the mirror rather then having a friend fit you :-) From your description, the way the TV pattern looks may be closer to what you want then the Arnold pattern. -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 09:58:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6EwPxS013990 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:58:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6EwLuG013774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:58:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6EuD6g088864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:56:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6Eu7VP009335; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:56:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6Eu26X009189 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:56:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.88]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061206145556.EFBM23383.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:55:56 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.88]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061206145556.EEQN21592.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:55:56 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20061206085407.028e9cf0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:55:51 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200612061336.kB6Dajra030449@net.indra.com> References: <200612061336.kB6Dajra030449@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6a4ccbda-305d-4e0c-8452-9df5d7840724 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4576DA8D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:58:25 -0500 (EST) Status: RO They have told me that the price has not been set yet. Hopefully, they will realize that there is quite a market if the price is reasonable. Beth At 07:36 AM 12/6/2006, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:29:10 -0500 >From: "Susan B. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:32:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Applied? Really? I hadn't ever thought of that as an option--figured it was either woven in, or fabric sewn in strips, like the later one of Lucretia? (green/gold with stripes of varying widths), which is definitely religious. I wonder if it was a regional style or something.... --Sue, who thinks maybe her memory is out partying somewhere with Bella's, 'cuz it's certainly not here at home where she can use it! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bella" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt > You see what I mean about my memory Sue?! Yes, Beatrice d'Este is a very good example (I think most opinions I've heard say that the stripes are applied in that example, to relate this back to the original question). I have not studied the Manesse Codex and can't speak to that. And yes, she is another Italian example. I'm sure there are more out there, but as I said, anything not 16thc Venetian or Italian is not my forte. :-) > > > Bella > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sue Clemenger mooncat@in-tch.com > > What about the occasional stripes showing up in the Manesse Codex? > There's also that picture of Beatrice Sforza, and it's clearly striped > (black and white, IIRC). Okay, so she's Italian, but she wasn't Venetian. > --Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bella" bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au> > > >>>>Are stripes ever found anywhere outside of Italy?<<<< > > > > > > I'm not really the right person to answer that - I'm too focused on Venice > and the rest of Italy to take much else in. :-) But I will say that I > _cannot remember_ having seen stripes on any non-religious or > non-allegorical person in any other SCA region/time frame. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:18:01 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting Beth and Bob Matney : > They have told me that the price has not been set yet. Hopefully, they > will realize that there is quite a market if the price is reasonable. One can hope that they'll examine the sales of the Tudor Tailor ..... susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 12:38:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6HcUa2017344 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:38:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6HcBpw012511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:38:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6HXk95019956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:33:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6HXPaH087549; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:33:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6HWf0n086640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:33:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.177] (209-148-118-177.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kB6HWchJ032714 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:32:40 -0800 Message-ID: <4576FEB9.7070005@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:32:41 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning References: <948047.25160.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4575EF5E.3090505@lavoltapress.com> <4576AB71.8070401@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <4576AB71.8070401@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45770004.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:38:30 -0500 (EST) Status: RO There seem to be a couple ways to wear drag. One is as a serious attempt by a male to look like a female; the other is camp, or essentially a costume joke. I still remember the team of (all genuine) ex-Marines in miniskirts who had an act goose-stepping balletically together down Market Street. Then there was the nun group, the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. (Of course, there was, on the other end, the guy who wore a pair of chaps, some sort of footwear which I forget, and nothing else.) So in some cases the excessive makeup is not meant to be convincing. I used to see guys in low-cut evening gowns in the Castro who didn't even shave off their beards or their chest hair. However, to judge from same, the primary ticket to a modern female figure is to get a bust. Those guys looked like they were wearing padded push-up bras, possibly the same kind the woman who feels underendowed buys at a department store. I'm hardly an expert; there must be tons of websites and egroups that give tips on how to wear drag, convincing or otherwise. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Deredere Galbraith wrote: > > One of the mistakes a lot of travesties make is that they use to much > makeup. > And colors that are too hard. > > Greetings, > Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 12:56:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6HuBwY017647 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:56:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6Hu8G8030549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:56:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6Hqcoj023518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:52:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6HqaPA011107; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:52:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.192.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6Hph0t009885 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:51:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20061206175137m1200s9r9ke>; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:51:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: h-costume h-costume Message-Id: <638C3F33-6F93-4B93-825D-BB4D648B28BF@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:51:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A visit from your English major X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45770438.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:56:11 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Deredere Galbraith wrote: > One of the mistakes a lot of travesties make is that they use to > much makeup. > And colors that are too hard. > Greetings, > Deredere I hope I am not being dense about a deliberate pun, but I think we are talking about "transvestites" here, not "travesties". Though of course camp is itself something of a good-natured sort of travesty. Best, Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 12:58:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6HwSsu017670 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:58:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6HwP7l032570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:58:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6HpvxT023368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:51:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6Hpg3d009986; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6HpZhE009706 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:51:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.88]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061206175129.QSZT23383.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:51:29 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.88]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061206175129.HINE21592.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:51:29 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20061206114824.02b8b090@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:51:24 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200612061733.kB6HXTwQ087641@net.indra.com> References: <200612061733.kB6HXTwQ087641@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457704C1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:58:28 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Cindy, I included the link in my original post. Sometimes things don't go through, so here it is again: http://www.maney.co.uk/search?fwaction=show&fwid=649 Beth At 11:33 AM 12/6/2006, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:08:54 -0600 >From: "Abel, Cynthia" > >Who is the publisher? If they have a website, we can check for >publication date and price as the publication date nears. This would be >a dream book for me if the price isn't too high. > >Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 13:09:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6I9Smv017872 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:09:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6I9OdB010422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:09:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6I3nRF025532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:03:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6I3S9R024082; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:03:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6I3HMY023739 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:03:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.88]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061206180310.RLPZ23383.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:03:10 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.88]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061206180310.FWNS25313.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:03:10 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20061206115231.02be1ca0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:03:02 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Journals X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45770755.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:09:28 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Living in a rural area, one of things that I do not have access to are back issues of certain journals. If any of you have back issues of the following that they would like to sell, please contact me. 1) Costume: Journal of the Costume Society 2) Textile History 3) Archaeological Textiles Newsletter It would be much appreciated. Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 13:29:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6ITWkD018243 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:29:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6ITS81005911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:29:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6IQ8dW029191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:26:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6IQ6Zf051806; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:26:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6IPvRY051584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:26:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.177] (209-148-118-177.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kB6IPsLA000311 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:25:55 -0800 Message-ID: <45770B35.6090007@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:25:57 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning References: <20061206154236.38236.qmail@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061206154236.38236.qmail@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35a053df-8778-4d74-a3d7-8411d207c1a8 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45770C08.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:29:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO The thing is--the modern costuming community is subject to trends and fads. Plastic corset boning isn't currently trendy, though almost any other kind is. It is, however, incorrect to assume that a corset needs bones like something you'd use to support the Golden Gate Bridge. The period way to get more rigidity is to put more bones in, closer together. However, whalehone, like plastic, adapts to the body shape over time; and I have some old instructions about turning the bones over when that happens. Fran Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > I like Vena cava design - I can actually order only from the UK companies, as the American or Canadian have too expensive shipping to Europe. I think VC design have everything necessary, including the spiral steel bones or many sorts of plastic and steel boning. > > Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 06/12/2006 13:38:52 GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 13:42:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6IgFaZ018452 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:42:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6IgCUl001014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:42:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6IcbFo031337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:38:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6IcRDt066636; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:38:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6IcGwp066437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:38:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.177] (209-148-118-177.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kB6IcE1P012404 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:38:15 -0800 Message-ID: <45770E19.90100@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:38:17 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A visit from your English major References: <638C3F33-6F93-4B93-825D-BB4D648B28BF@comcast.net> <45770993.3020400@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <45770993.3020400@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45770F04.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:42:15 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In English, the words "travesty" and "transvestite" are closely related. In older theatrical performances (Baroque, I know for sure; I haven't traced the whole history of the word), a travesty is a performance where the performers dress as members of the opposite gender. King Louis XIV, for example, is famous for performing the role of a washerwoman, in, if I recall correctly, the same ballet where he performed the role of Apollo, the Sun King. Fran Deredere Galbraith wrote: > OOps :-[ > English is not my native language. > So I hope I didn't offended anyone because it was certainly not my > intention. > In Dutch it is called a "travestiet" > Didn't know that you write it different in English. > :-) > Greetings, > Deredere > > Lauren Walker wrote: > >> Deredere Galbraith wrote: >> >> >>> One of the mistakes a lot of travesties make is that they use to much >>> makeup. >>> And colors that are too hard. >>> Greetings, >>> Deredere >> >> >> >> I hope I am not being dense about a deliberate pun, but I think we are >> talking about "transvestites" here, not "travesties". Though of course >> camp is itself something of a good-natured sort of travesty. >> Best, >> Lauren >> Lauren M. Walker >> lauren.walker@comcast.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 13:55:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6ItdN1018683 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:55:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6ItZ1w006845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:55:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6Ipts9034153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:51:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6IpROD082862; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:51:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6Io5vY081195 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:50:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.113.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.113]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gs1qB-0002ot-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:50:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <45770993.3020400@kabelfoon.nl> References: <638C3F33-6F93-4B93-825D-BB4D648B28BF@comcast.net> <45770993.3020400@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] A visit from your English major Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:49:55 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1d50305a-3be7-4bbb-9d24-cbfd53bcdb48 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45771228.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:55:39 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I could send pages and pages of the same sort of error made by native English speakers (alas, my COLLEGE students!), and many of them, like this one, are wonderfully funny (and sometimes weirdly appropriate). Here's one, from an essay about a man who took broken stained-glass windows from mausoleums: "As a gesture of good faith Casamassima brought Christmas wreaths and placed them over every Moslem he stole from." Another student described a patient in a coma as being in a "vegetarian state." One said some guidelines proposed by the Air Force Academy would still "allow non-secretarial prayer at certain ceremonies." And, for us costumers, one student mentioned that "Madame Trousseau's Waxed Museum" was an interesting place to visit. So, Deredere, thank you for a much-needed moment of pleasure, and congratulations on writing English like a native! ; } --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Dec 6, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > OOps :-[ > English is not my native language. > So I hope I didn't offended anyone because it was certainly not my > intention. > In Dutch it is called a "travestiet" > Didn't know that you write it different in English. > :-) > Greetings, > Deredere > > Lauren Walker wrote: >> Deredere Galbraith wrote: >> >> >>> One of the mistakes a lot of travesties make is that they use to >>> much makeup. >>> And colors that are too hard. >>> Greetings, >>> Deredere >> >> >> I hope I am not being dense about a deliberate pun, but I think we >> are talking about "transvestites" here, not "travesties". Though >> of course camp is itself something of a good-natured sort of >> travesty. >> Best, >> Lauren >> Lauren M. Walker >> lauren.walker@comcast.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 16:38:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6LcmwU021363 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:38:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6LbxFW005977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:38:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6LYhOo064224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:34:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6LYcu5076441; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:34:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6LYW68076244 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:34:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.bf5.b4d7e0d (41812) for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:29:06 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:29:05 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] A visit from your English major To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3cf2dfe-0ad9-4879-aa79-e445a09ad98e X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45773837.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:38:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 12/6/2006 1:45:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: a travesty is a performance where the performers dress as members of the opposite gender. King Louis XIV, for example, is famous for performing the role of a washerwoman, in, if I recall correctly, the same ballet where he performed the role of Apollo, the Sun King. ************** The Opera National de Paris has some wonderful versions of Rameau operas [on DVD] they've been reviving. These were written in the mid 1700s. They all have a travesty role...a man in a woman's role. Usually a supernatural being. My fave is Bellona, the goddess of war, from "Les Indes Gallantes". In "Platee", the title character, Platee, is a swamp nymph resembling a frog who thinks she's beautiful. It is a "role a travesty". These are great shows! Check them out! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 16:46:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6LkgFR021494 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:46:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6Lkdr8012482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:46:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6IJEnT028040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:19:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6IJ3SN043287; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:19:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6IIwBQ043049 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:19:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1457.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.179]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF8D319B7E for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:18:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45770993.3020400@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:18:59 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A visit from your English major References: <638C3F33-6F93-4B93-825D-BB4D648B28BF@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <638C3F33-6F93-4B93-825D-BB4D648B28BF@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ac0a39ba-8e77-496f-81be-7a64cf3a6bad X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45773A3F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:46:43 -0500 (EST) Status: RO OOps :-[ English is not my native language. So I hope I didn't offended anyone because it was certainly not my intention. In Dutch it is called a "travestiet" Didn't know that you write it different in English. :-) Greetings, Deredere Lauren Walker wrote: > Deredere Galbraith wrote: > > >> One of the mistakes a lot of travesties make is that they use to much >> makeup. >> And colors that are too hard. >> Greetings, >> Deredere > > > I hope I am not being dense about a deliberate pun, but I think we are > talking about "transvestites" here, not "travesties". Though of course > camp is itself something of a good-natured sort of travesty. > Best, > Lauren > Lauren M. Walker > lauren.walker@comcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 17:18:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6MIhBJ022016 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:18:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6MIZpw007095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:18:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6MBItx073916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:11:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6MBAN2022939; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:11:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6MB0qL022706 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:11:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m55.in-tch.com [216.166.191.55]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id kB6LwF525388 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:58:15 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001901c71984$94fc7920$37bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <638C3F33-6F93-4B93-825D-BB4D648B28BF@comcast.net> <45770993.3020400@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A visit from your English major Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:19:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f5520866-c90f-4a7b-b746-0e686c81d53f X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457741BB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:18:43 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Not offended at all! Some of us native English speakers assumed it was a pun--a play on words, exploring the similar spellings/sounds and different meanings between the two words "transvestite" and "travesty." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] A visit from your English major > OOps :-[ > English is not my native language. > So I hope I didn't offended anyone because it was certainly not my > intention. > In Dutch it is called a "travestiet" > Didn't know that you write it different in English. > :-) > Greetings, > Deredere > > Lauren Walker wrote: > > Deredere Galbraith wrote: > > > > > >> One of the mistakes a lot of travesties make is that they use to much > >> makeup. > >> And colors that are too hard. > >> Greetings, > >> Deredere > > > > > > I hope I am not being dense about a deliberate pun, but I think we are > > talking about "transvestites" here, not "travesties". Though of course > > camp is itself something of a good-natured sort of travesty. > > Best, > > Lauren > > Lauren M. Walker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 17:24:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6MOTLX022150 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:24:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6MOIdt012374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:24:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6MLuZb076319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:21:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6MLmGc036039; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:21:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6F0MAZ013556 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:00:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061206150014.ZHIR5355.fep35.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:00:14 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.65]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061206150014.SQNF1080.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:00:14 +0100 Message-ID: <005901c71947$3d515020$4143a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:00:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.67.65] at Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:00:13 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Janet Arnold X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45774312.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I am awaiting it impatiently Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 17:27:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6MRxuR022194 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:27:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6MRnR2017834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:27:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6MQ1pP077446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:26:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6MPvbx041268; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:25:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52103.mail.yahoo.com (web52103.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.106]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB6Iwbw4091542 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:58:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 12588 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2006 18:58:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DBpsPM6hlAtzeFA/PWSreAFXWr5WfucwUdCOlMn/zQ8bCh0MGXDJfvM00mI522aG4+ZZRGhYTPrDhvUbCrFolSqYtY35z8LSmxLvAZVPDf/N2Cc3f6BOO+TTI5SXBCVzLMlvrQQO4s7mYF2qWT7wAR95BHP+YHzwIR6UbXDBM1A= ; Message-ID: <20061206185827.12586.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:58:27 PST Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:58:27 -0800 (PST) From: Kathy Page Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Servercave-Metrics: net.indra.com 1183; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 01f2b6df-1693-4757-82f4-7dc6a10fd499 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457743E5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I am awaiting it impatiently Bjarne Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 17:28:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6MSfMR022205 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:28:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6MScxK016103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:28:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6MNB20076668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:23:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6MN7AP037726; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:23:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6F9XON023558 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:09:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 629772E8242 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:08:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 3F8622E8222 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:08:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24658 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:09:32 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:08:54 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII Thread-Index: AccY5p9GNP0v1MMxTeeI37SQ189XqwAYYH9g From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=53% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kB6F9XON023558 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45774416.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:28:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Who is the publisher? If they have a website, we can check for publication date and price as the publication date nears. This would be a dream book for me if the price isn't too high. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:29 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII Quoting Beth and Bob Matney : > For those awaiting (such as I am) "Dress at the Court of King Henry > VIII", the publisher has informed me that the release date has been > delayed to May 2007. Do you have any idea about how much it's going to cost? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 17:34:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6MYGHB022301 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:34:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB6MYB4a020409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:34:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6MXFpV079200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:33:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6MWYoS049180; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:33:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6Klccu020420 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:47:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cb4.586b5d9 (52321) for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from MBLK-M41 (mblk-m41.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.85]) by ciaaol-d02.mail.aol.com (v114.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD027-cc6145772c5d3bd; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:47:25 -0500 References: <638C3F33-6F93-4B93-825D-BB4D648B28BF@comcast.net> <45770993.3020400@kabelfoon.nl> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A visit from your English major Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:47:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: chindora@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 22250 Received: from 70.43.19.138 by MBLK-M41.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.85) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:47:25 -0500 Message-Id: <8C8E78EDE9FEC74-C2C-397@MBLK-M41.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.85 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45774564.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:34:16 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Ha, thanks to all of the contributions to this post. I am laughing even more now than I was when I read the original. Very cool info that we would not have had shared if a *mistake* had not been made. :) ~Kimberley (who really, really needed at least something to smile about today!) -----Original Message----- From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] A visit from your English major I could send pages and pages of the same sort of error made by native English speakers (alas, my COLLEGE students!), and many of them, like this one, are wonderfully funny (and sometimes weirdly appropriate). Here's one, from an essay about a man who took broken stained-glass windows from mausoleums: "As a gesture of good faith Casamassima brought Christmas wreaths and placed them over every Moslem he stole from." Another student described a patient in a coma as being in a "vegetarian state." One said some guidelines proposed by the Air Force Academy would still "allow non-secretarial prayer at certain ceremonies." And, for us costumers, one student mentioned that "Madame Trousseau's Waxed Museum" was an interesting place to visit. So, Deredere, thank you for a much-needed moment of pleasure, and congratulations on writing English like a native! ; } --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Dec 6, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > OOps :-[ > English is not my native language. > So I hope I didn't offended anyone because it was certainly not my > intention. > In Dutch it is called a "travestiet" > Didn't know that you write it different in English. > :-) > Greetings, > Deredere > > Lauren Walker wrote: >> Deredere Galbraith wrote: >> >> >>> One of the mistakes a lot of travesties make is that they use to >>> much makeup. >>> And colors that are too hard. >>> Greetings, >>> Deredere >> >> >> I hope I am not being dense about a deliberate pun, but I think we >> are talking about "transvestites" here, not "travesties". Though >> of course camp is itself something of a good-natured sort of >> travesty. >> Best, >> Lauren >> Lauren M. Walker >> lauren.walker@comcast.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 19:09:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB709QXd023762 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:09:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB706O7m026913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:09:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB703qjW099325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:03:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB703kMn048244; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:03:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB703cs8048107 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:03:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05236 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:48:33 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:48:33 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:09:26 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Cat Dancer wrote: > The Castilian law specifies types of cloth (which I will have to look > up when I get home) but the London law just says 'rayed cloth'. [I > highly recommend /Governance of the consuming passions : a history of > sumptuary law/ by Alan Hunt, if you want to dig deeper.] The rayed > cloth of the London law is probably woven-in stripes, stripes being > what you, the weaver, do if you have leftover yarns but not enough of > any one color to do anything useful with. I want to say that cloth > woven of dyed wool is going to be cheaper than cloth that is woven and > then dyed, but I don't have enough knowledge of the medieval textile > industry to be saying that. [Here is where someone who does, steps in > and corrects me. ;-)] Certainly the comments in the inventories and > accounts are specific that rayed cloth is for the members of the > household fairly far down on the social scale--the valets and such. I've just finished editing an article by John Munro that will appear in the next volume of Medieval Clothing & Textiles (vol. 3, to be released in spring 2007). He is discussing color trends in Flemish woollens from 1300-1550, based on a variety of accounts, mostly purchases of woollens for city officials in Bruges and Mechelen. His focus is not specifically on rayed cloth, but he discusses their appearance along with many other types of cloth. Among the points he makes is that some scarlets (the most valuable, expensive woolens) were rayed, and their price was equivalent to other scarlets (indicating they were considered of equal value to solid cloths). The bulk of the article describes shifts in color preferences in the 14th and 15th centuries, and he notes that the introduction of cheaper heavyweight woollens (I'm summarizing a lot here) in the late 14th century, combined with a fashionable shift away from multicolored cloths in general, accounts for the disappearance of rayed cloths from the purchases for the highest echelons of Bruges city officials in the 1380s; even so, in Ghent, where local industry specialized in striped woollens (including expensive striped scarlets), these striped cloths continue to appear in local accounts well into the 16th century. It's much more complicated than that, but the take-home points for our purposes is that stripes were clearly being worn at the top levels for some of this period, and that the fashions were different even from city to city, in part as a reflection of industrial and economic factors. In other words, there's a huge amount of variability in the use (and class significance) of stripes from one time and place to another. A side note: Given that the high-end Ghent industry specialized in rayed clothes, including rayed scarlets, that suggests that rayed clothes were deliberately woven that way, not just made from leftover wools, at least in that time and place. As to the economics and mechanics of weaving wool before or after dyeing: this is touched on both in Munro's article and in another in the volume (the latter being a paper by John Oldland on wool finishing methods for the same period). Apparently one consideration was the specific colors being used, as mordanted dyes made for more trouble in the weaving process, so weaving was typically done with undyed wools or wools dyed in woad, which did not require mordants. Not true everywhere, of course. > What we've found, in going over some amazingly huge number of > illuminations, frescos, panel paintings, book illustrations, etc., is > that when someone is portrayed in stripes and/or parti-colour, that > person is somehow a social inferior to at least one of the other > people in the artwork. So we see stripes (and sometimes plaids) on > musicians and on the people that my consort refers to as > "minions"--the various servants, lackeys, etc. that tend to hang > around important people in the art. Clearly we need to remember that symbolic conventions in visual art don't always reflect reality! > Except in the Manesse Codex, where I suspect that stripes indicate > someone who is a fop or otherwise on the edge of fashion. Note that > that's only a hypothesis--it hasn't made it to theory yet. ;-) Aren't many of the "heroes" profiled in the Manesse Codes supposed to be warrior-troubadours or troubadour-kings? The stripes may be used here to indicate which ones are the musicians (in addition to whatever else they may be). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 19:56:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB70uq4U024648 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:56:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB70uL4P005729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:56:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB70sBsk006588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:54:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB70s537092344; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:54:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51308.mail.yahoo.com (web51308.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB70s3qn092197 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:54:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 23217 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2006 00:53:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=o7PAOMOaUkhBrCQE3qHaJpb0DtfSWGY+ODtkGOsMZjEbSmRCKIzeslW2axRC+gPmQMTFXppG4J/Wmm+2Gh4fYkhZpIusWJqmaD7cfhfpmHqo92XFgFWB9yn+K9hsle63y0JM/ULzu9KQqi6Hjm3pXI7DKBSDst9ANtW84B4ZAJo=; X-YMail-OSG: gycJgh8VM1nLVHMDh1ix5q6wHOC3p_esaOAzxmW7Prtg0cvnmMmE.2G009ND_SdnJXyeygvLSOlJ4Z9L0lh6W9o9Klv7t5semay6Q7Vigyo7gucf5ueCdEiQcUzv2516AVQfSb8FyDZcdQc- Received: from [69.177.224.102] by web51308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:53:54 PST Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:53:54 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3586f5070612060608x122248d8md3991dee4b764d9e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <654033.23176.qm@web51308.mail.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The dreaded cutting of fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dcc7295f-758b-482d-90cb-951661443827 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457766B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:56:51 -0500 (EST) Status: RO You can do it, Katy--I've seen what you can sew. :) I look forward to seeing the pictures when you are done. And the Strawberry Moose is twisted. Ann in CT --- Katy Bishop wrote: > I have this beautiful piece of silk taffeta plaid, > that I need to make > a sash and overskirt for my 1860s gown for _this_ > Saturday and I am > worried about cutting into it and screwing up. The > silk was a > remnant, so it was inexpensive, but it has the right > shades for my > hard to match pink gown. I cut much more happily > and confidently when > I have 15 yards and only need 10. For this I have > just enough. > > I do hope I can get it done in time. I've started a > page for it here: > > http://www.vintagevictorian.com/1860_pink_plaid.html > > Katy ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 19:58:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB70w5Ci024675 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:58:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB70vpIg024280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:58:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6MRJ8p077819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:27:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6MRFFb042858; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:27:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.238]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6JdmrI042520 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:39:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id m7so208143nzf for ; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:39:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=VNn/oF1jSzeA8/zO6SfV60EMvJWtYFEPARX4mmknZBlvssDL/hYjpihagts+ILndclg66NTCPkGl88fnBgjFxiHMPDoYnnSWGsBu3trSeJfcgoT7vzGGO2S9TgO7QV8Ky0oPxEqfBykj+I9rt5EU9Msngil+6OVqKGqX3BQ0RC8= Received: by 10.65.137.15 with SMTP id p15mr1884645qbn.1165433988056; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.160.14 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:39:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:39:47 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] A visit from your English major MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45776719.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:58:05 -0500 (EST) Status: RO That was a brilliant bi-lingual pun. It's only a pity the rest of us had to have it explained and thereby missed the essense of your wit. Brava! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com > OOps :-[ > English is not my native language. > So I hope I didn't offended anyone because it was certainly not my > intention. > In Dutch it is called a "travestiet" > Didn't know that you write it different in English. > :-) > Greetings, > Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 20:01:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB711hXN024724 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:01:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB710dot026167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:01:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6MSKLr078167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:28:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6MSGNr044146; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:28:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB6KD5fE081181 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:13:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 30560 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2006 20:12:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5gq9cehFY3of6IkAEkZwrGmijJIBfT2O/0U4hiVRw6p0Oyn/PEr5MC/b8/wdNwZusLMJ0gOm/APaueJugVBtRPZr1p7eBlfNgKcED0ez88G6l2hnaY7+JH8sSEN0d2bDllDNEc1Wm/0Tnqc8RgaVEZj4XUh62PRIX2UCio3dm/k=; X-YMail-OSG: mlYR_8UVM1kMO9.6tXcI5NU5MCwrCkne47KOCcyIDeVfcGubpJYPdlXUC6Wd7FoBHy1yhs3jg7cUTE3xHwlI90imCKJxh7jaU_IKfuVpSPlk_Ej8J4IkAY4j8gpACRpiWaKPUMFzlx0QaX4- Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:12:59 PST Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:12:59 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <45770B35.6090007@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <439742.30014.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=21% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457767F3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:01:43 -0500 (EST) Status: RO "However, whalehone, like plastic, adapts to the body shape over time; and I have some old instructions about turning the bones over when that happens." That's why I thought about combinating plastic and metal. At least for the back and the front of the corset I'd use something like spring steel and for the rest either plastic or spiral steel. I don't have any experiences with spiral steel boning, so I don't know which one (spiral steel or plastic) will be better for my purpose. The spiral steel is probably good for very curvy seams, but I think a man's figure will never get very curvy, so I don't know whether that would be necessary. What do you think? --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 20:33:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB71WnqK025490 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:32:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB71UJDC008217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:32:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6Mw4Sf086176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:58:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6Mvset078334; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:57:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6Mvg4G078031 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:57:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 06 Dec 2006 22:49:04 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAMfZdkXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACNNwEBCQ4q Received: from 88-107-104-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.104.136]:3395 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Gs5ZY-0004Lt-7q for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:49:04 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061206224448.033e7410@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:49:03 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold In-Reply-To: <20061206185827.12586.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061206185827.12586.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be5bf8d3-d7d4-46ae-8eab-73e2d67580da X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:32:49 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 18:58 06/12/2006, you wrote: >If you're talking about the shirts book, I kind of do. It's still >hung up in legal issues - estate, copyright, permissions... the >typical yadda yadda for publishing a book of this nature. It happens >that my research crosses over hers, a couple of the shirts in the >Met collection are included in this book. But because hers is far >more diverse, the chances of my publishing first are greater than >her estate beating me to it. I am to understand her estate has >enough material to publish 4 more books. It's just a matter of >sifting through it all and assembling it appropriately. Kathy >hi, Does any of you know any news about the last Arnold Book wich >was supposed to be published? I am awaiting it impatiently Bjarne The last I heard, the completion of the book(s) had been handed over from the original literary executors to another person. This, of course, will have caused a delay, not counting the time lost immediately after her death. She told me, only a few weeks before she died, that she had completed the fourth draft of the first book. Unfortunately it never occurred to me to ask which she meant by the "first" book. I know she was planning the shirts/ruffs/supportasses book as one unit, and the "other" one, I understood, was to have included more men's costumes. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 20:33:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB71WnqM025490 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:33:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB71UJDE008217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:33:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6MNtKF076883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:23:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6MNqfB038598; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:23:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6FWFE9048006 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c00.99981e0 (45777) for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d18 (mblk-d18.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.10]) by ciaaol-r02.mx.aol.com (v114.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLR025-b2d14576e27629b; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:32:06 -0500 References: <200612060324.kB63OKHw065915@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:32:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200612060324.kB63OKHw065915@net.indra.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: tearoses@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 22250 Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.10) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:32:05 -0500 Message-Id: <8C8E762D1E27E17-C84-3152@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.10 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a4afd524-05f7-4d6b-a320-d83e03bbbe31 X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:33:07 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Ooo, a whole book about it! Thanks! Pixel, is there any way of knowing if the sumptuary laws meant woven-in stripes, applied stripes or pieced stripes? That painting with Mary Magdalen looked like they might be applied. Thanks to everyone who responded! I love this kind of conversation with you guys! Tea Rose Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:12:03 -0500 From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Here's a book about the theory: http://www.amazon.com/Devils-Cloth-History-Stripes/dp/0743472578/ sr=1-9/qid=1165363714/ref=sr_1_9/002-1662157-1188053?ie=UTF8&s=books _The Devil's Cloth: A History of Stripes_ by Michel Pastoreau, translated by Jody Gladding Have fun. Lauren --------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:56:37 -0600 (CST) From: Cat Dancer Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt I've just come off teaching a class on social distinctions in dress 1100-1500, and at least in the visual corpus, stripes are usually only seen on musicians or servants or people who are in some way social inferiors. There's at least one sumptuary law requiring prostitutes to wear rayed (striped) cloth*, for instance. [1351 London. Also 1351, in Castile, female 'companions' of the clergy required to wear striped cloth. That's all I've got in my sumptuary research about stripes.] Pixel ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 20:33:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB71WnqO025490 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:33:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB71UJDG008217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:33:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6N67eu088283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:06:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6N646j087768; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:06:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6N5wrH087644 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:06:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=p+Gp8z69EMJjE/UhgdnAAYas8SQUWx5n8GGGVS4NBybxCCvwC404Ei/EvNRQmfKn; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.6.72] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Gs5ps-0001TK-1F for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:05:56 -0500 Message-ID: <01c801c7198b$31bc96e0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061206185827.12586.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061206224448.033e7410@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:06:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd484c6f02c553df2d667d180b8837b9699c667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.6.72 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92baa8c6-7810-4142-8480-324979e294aa X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:33:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > At 18:58 06/12/2006, you wrote: >>If you're talking about the shirts book, I kind of do. It's still hung up >>in legal issues - estate, copyright, permissions... the typical yadda >>yadda for publishing a book of this nature. It happens that my research >>crosses over hers, a couple of the shirts in the Met collection are >>included in this book. But because hers is far more diverse, the chances >>of my publishing first are greater than her estate beating me to it. I am >>to understand her estate has enough material to publish 4 more books. It's >>just a matter of sifting through it all and assembling it appropriately. >>Kathy > > > >>hi, Does any of you know any news about the last Arnold Book wich was >>supposed to be published? I am awaiting it impatiently Bjarne > > > The last I heard, the completion of the book(s) had been handed over from > the original literary executors to another person. This, of course, will > have caused a delay, not counting the time lost immediately after her > death. She told me, only a few weeks before she died, that she had > completed the fourth draft of the first book. Unfortunately it never > occurred to me to ask which she meant by the "first" book. I know she was > planning the shirts/ruffs/supportasses book as one unit, and the "other" > one, I understood, was to have included more men's costumes. > > Suzi I had heard something about one of them being the "missing" book for the period between 1620 and 1660. Do any of you know anything about that? Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 20:40:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB71eCCR025746 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:40:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB71e8th006994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:40:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6N89u2088787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:08:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6N84aJ090018; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:08:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep02.xtra.co.nz (fep02.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6N7XoM089344 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from michaela ([125.238.123.100]) by fep02.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20061206230727.ULUB20709.fep02.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:07:27 +1300 Message-ID: <005e01c7198b$4eec0e30$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <439742.30014.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset boning Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:07:30 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457770F8.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:40:12 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > "However, whalehone, like plastic, adapts to the body shape > over time; and I have some old instructions about turning the bones > over when that happens." Firstly thanks to Fran for bring this up. It's been told tiem and time again to communities where there is a negative attitude to plastic boning. In fact at one stage weren't there commercial steamers to make the baleen form into curves before the corset was even worn? And though t's been cut off, yes you need to treat the plastic as if it is baleen. SO when you look at extant 18thC corsets and see just how solidly boned they are, or when you look at 19thC corsets and the number of steel and baeleen strips used you start to get a feel for how to use the plastic without it warping too much. Even if it did happen anyway;) <> Yes! This is what I have done for my 1880s corset. I am very curvy, not very overweight but my waist laces down very far, so the plastic is perfect for getting into the sides of the waist to produce the hourglass effect. But they do need some support in the form of the materials and fit of the corset in the first place and I also find a steel down he centre fronts and centre backs to support the lacing and create vertical tension which helps support the plastic. Michaela de Bruce _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 20:40:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB71eCCT025746 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:40:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB71e8tj006994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:40:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6N8Z1B088910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:08:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6N8XQ7090622; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:08:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6N87jD090081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:08:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1Gs5sD-0001V8-VE for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:08:21 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:08:21 -0600 (CST) From: Cat Dancer X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt In-Reply-To: <8C8E762D1E27E17-C84-3152@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: References: <200612060324.kB63OKHw065915@net.indra.com> <8C8E762D1E27E17-C84-3152@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457770F8.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:40:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Ooo, a whole book about it! Thanks! I don't remember where I found my copy. It's a fascinating book even if some of his theories are off-the-wall. :-) The one thing it did do was to get us to look critically at portrayals and look for themes and such. > > Pixel, is there any way of knowing if the sumptuary laws meant woven-in stripes, applied stripes or pieced stripes? > > That painting with Mary Magdalen looked like they might be applied. The Castilian law specifies types of cloth (which I will have to look up when I get home) but the London law just says 'rayed cloth'. [I highly recommend /Governance of the consuming passions : a history of sumptuary law/ by Alan Hunt, if you want to dig deeper.] The rayed cloth of the London law is probably woven-in stripes, stripes being what you, the weaver, do if you have leftover yarns but not enough of any one color to do anything useful with. I want to say that cloth woven of dyed wool is going to be cheaper than cloth that is woven and then dyed, but I don't have enough knowledge of the medieval textile industry to be saying that. [Here is where someone who does, steps in and corrects me. ;-)] Certainly the comments in the inventories and accounts are specific that rayed cloth is for the members of the household fairly far down on the social scale--the valets and such. What we've found, in going over some amazingly huge number of illuminations, frescos, panel paintings, book illustrations, etc., is that when someone is portrayed in stripes and/or parti-colour, that person is somehow a social inferior to at least one of the other people in the artwork. So we see stripes (and sometimes plaids) on musicians and on the people that my consort refers to as "minions"--the various servants, lackeys, etc. that tend to hang around important people in the art. Except in the Manesse Codex, where I suspect that stripes indicate someone who is a fop or otherwise on the edge of fashion. Note that that's only a hypothesis--it hasn't made it to theory yet. ;-) > > Thanks to everyone who responded! I love this kind of conversation with you guys! > > Tea Rose Anything to geek about stuff that isn't work! Pixel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 21:06:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB726bAP026501 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:06:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB726XLJ004829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:06:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB6NXdHZ094595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:33:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6NWOSG016303; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:32:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB6NV2GM015029 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:31:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 06 Dec 2006 23:30:51 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAPvhdkXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACNNwEBCQ4q Received: from 88-107-104-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.104.136]:3507 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Gs6Dz-000B1y-CY for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:30:51 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061206232534.03443850@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:30:38 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Janet Arnold In-Reply-To: <01c801c7198b$31bc96e0$0300a8c0@boris> References: <20061206185827.12586.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061206224448.033e7410@suziclarke.co.uk> <01c801c7198b$31bc96e0$0300a8c0@boris> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 14a64616-094f-471a-b48e-f13e4886c4f4 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45777729.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:06:37 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 23:06 06/12/2006, you wrote: >>At 18:58 06/12/2006, you wrote: >>>If you're talking about the shirts book, I kind of do. It's still >>>hung up in legal issues - estate, copyright, permissions... the >>>typical yadda yadda for publishing a book of this nature. It >>>happens that my research crosses over hers, a couple of the shirts >>>in the Met collection are included in this book. But because hers >>>is far more diverse, the chances of my publishing first are >>>greater than her estate beating me to it. I am to understand her >>>estate has enough material to publish 4 more books. It's just a >>>matter of sifting through it all and assembling it appropriately. Kathy >> >> >> >>>hi, Does any of you know any news about the last Arnold Book wich >>>was supposed to be published? I am awaiting it impatiently Bjarne >> >> >>The last I heard, the completion of the book(s) had been handed >>over from the original literary executors to another person. This, >>of course, will have caused a delay, not counting the time lost >>immediately after her death. She told me, only a few weeks before >>she died, that she had completed the fourth draft of the first >>book. Unfortunately it never occurred to me to ask which she meant >>by the "first" book. I know she was planning the >>shirts/ruffs/supportasses book as one unit, and the "other" one, I >>understood, was to have included more men's costumes. >> >>Suzi > >I had heard something about one of them being the "missing" book for >the period between 1620 and 1660. Do any of you know anything about that? That was what Janet was talking about - she said she had some men's suits to add - I think from the Isham collection, which are transitional. There is a beautiful coat which is very fragile, I seem to remember. I don't remember if she had any earlier women's clothes - maybe I was making a man's costume at the time - I am sorry not to have a clearer memory. I had expected the books to come out sooner after her death, and didn't think I needed to remember that precisely at the time. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 21:06:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB726r7n026509 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:06:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB726ooJ022796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:06:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB725AFM018292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:05:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7257vh054670; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:05:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc11.comcast.net (alnrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.225.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB725114054493 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:05:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc11) with SMTP id <20061207020455b1100ep77se>; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 02:04:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:04:55 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4577773A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 23:23:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB74NKLa028918 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:23:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB74NH8x016167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:23:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB74Ls8W037922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:21:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB74Li3S073883; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:21:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB74LPjp073633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:21:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kB74MTO7011742 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:22:30 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:28:35 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200612061336.kB6Dajra030449@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20061206085407.028e9cf0@mail.alltel.net> <20061206111523.3tzjq49zpjb4k44w@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20061206111523.3tzjq49zpjb4k44w@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200612062328.35718.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0633adc-fd4f-45d2-8b62-24bdfa1f98e8 X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:23:20 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Wednesday 06 December 2006 11:15 am, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Quoting Beth and Bob Matney : > > They have told me that the price has not been set yet. Hopefully, they > > will realize that there is quite a market if the price is reasonable. > > One can hope that they'll examine the sales of the Tudor Tailor ..... I hope they *don't*--if they do they may consider raising the price, :-( -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 23:33:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB74X5Rf029069 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:33:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB74X2g3027895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:33:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB74WfMe039359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:32:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB74Wd8B082945; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:32:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (88.d2.1343.static.theplanet.com [67.19.210.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB74WaLk082883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GsAw4-0002Ps-4N; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:32:40 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:32:40 -0500 Message-ID: <20061206233240.y645idmlq6m8k888@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:32:40 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII References: <200612061336.kB6Dajra030449@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20061206085407.028e9cf0@mail.alltel.net> <20061206111523.3tzjq49zpjb4k44w@www.goldsword.com> <200612062328.35718.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200612062328.35718.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4577997E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:33:05 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting Catherine Olanich Raymond : > On Wednesday 06 December 2006 11:15 am, Susan B. Farmer wrote: >> Quoting Beth and Bob Matney : >> > They have told me that the price has not been set yet. Hopefully, they >> > will realize that there is quite a market if the price is reasonable. >> >> One can hope that they'll examine the sales of the Tudor Tailor ..... > > I hope they *don't*--if they do they may consider raising the price, :-( That would be insane! They should look at the sales and see how well something like that does at a reasonable price! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 6 23:55:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB74tSbv029443 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:55:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB74tOeh003988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:55:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB74rViZ042454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:53:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB74rTHU000153; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:53:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB74rPBr099977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 21:53:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kB74sTGB012837 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:54:29 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pricing of Scholarly Tomes (was Re: Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 00:00:34 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200612061336.kB6Dajra030449@net.indra.com> <200612062328.35718.cathy@thyrsus.com> <20061206233240.y645idmlq6m8k888@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20061206233240.y645idmlq6m8k888@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200612070000.34951.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 52b6c64f-2ff7-4419-b837-ce874441e6c9 X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:55:28 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Wednesday 06 December 2006 11:32 pm, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Quoting Catherine Olanich Raymond : > > On Wednesday 06 December 2006 11:15 am, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > >> Quoting Beth and Bob Matney : > >> > They have told me that the price has not been set yet. Hopefully, > >> > they will realize that there is quite a market if the price is > >> > reasonable. > >> > >> One can hope that they'll examine the sales of the Tudor Tailor ..... > > > > I hope they *don't*--if they do they may consider raising the price, :-( > > That would be insane! They should look at the sales and see how well > something like that does at a reasonable price! I agree, but they may well figure if there's that much demand they would get more $$ with a higher price. I'm not convinced that the publishers of such scholarly works have a good idea of how to price their works to capture the reenactor/costumer market as well. Recently, I learned from a Swedish friend on another costume list that the University of Umea, which had published Margareta Nockert's book on the Hogom find, had only three copies left. Because she knew that another friend on the list and I were interested, she called the university and asked them for the price. That price? 68 Swedish Kroner--about $9.00 USD! Even with postage from Sweden, the book didn't quite cost me $20--a fraction of what I would have paid to get it. On the other hand, the Oseberg textile book is not only expensive (possibly justifiable depending on the quality of the photographs) but it's like pulling teeth to get the publisher to accept the common forms of payment. :-( -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 7 00:23:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB75N2D9029927 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 00:23:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB75MxTZ006820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 00:23:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB737SC4027704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:07:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB737PNk012904; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:07:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB737Lrs012799 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:07:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.239.205b9ccd (30738) for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:07:12 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <239.205b9ccd.32a8df5e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:07:10 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] The dreaded cutting of fabric To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 988a2a39-41c0-465f-b03d-93d62d2191ed X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4577A533.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Dec 2006 00:23:02 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Coraggio! Just check and double check before you cut. Remember to match the plaid where you can. And if that's impossible, make sure the mismatch looks deliberate and not like you just barely got it "off". And let us see the beautiful results! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 7 00:23:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB75N2DB029927 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 00:23:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB75MxTb006820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 00:23:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB73IIqo029139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:18:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB73IGJF021739; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:18:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB73IDe2021696 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:18:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.18] (acty1018.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.18]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305EC5CEC0 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:18:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <457787F2.1010009@dandy.net> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:18:10 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Query about Mod and the mid-1960's References: <20061205165741.28411.qmail@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061205165741.28411.qmail@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8ebc087-467e-4a3d-949a-117922b9fce2 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4577A533.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Dec 2006 00:23:03 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi. Haven't been following the thread, but did anyone suggest the "original" Casino Royale with Peter Sellers, David Niven and Ursula Andress? The female spies are all wearing the latest Carnaby Street type fashions...Cheers, Mike T. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 7 02:34:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB77YXvT032307 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 02:34:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB77YLk5006712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 02:34:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB77XB1N061531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 00:33:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB77X3QU016202; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 00:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB77Wu0Q015976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 00:33:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:14655 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GsDkP-0001Dz-Mc for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:32:50 -0600 Message-ID: <01d901c719d1$e705ba40$ac00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 01:32:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Anglo-Saxon clothing book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4577C3FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:34:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Not my era, but Amazon just sent me this and it sounded like it might pique someone's interest: --------------- We've noticed that customers who have expressed interest in Knives and Scabbards (Medieval Finds from Excavations in London) by J. Cowgill have also ordered Cloth And Clothing in Early Anglo-Saxon England, AD 450-700 (CBA Research Reports) by Penelope Rogers. For this reason, you might like to know that Penelope Rogers's Cloth And Clothing in Early Anglo-Saxon England, AD 450-700 (CBA Research Reports) will be released on December 20, 2006. Cloth And Clothing in Early Anglo-Saxon England, AD 450-700 (CBA Research Reports) (Paperback) by Penelope Rogers Paperback: 250 pages Publisher: Council for British Archaeology (December 20, 2006) Language: English ISBN: 1902771540 ---------------- -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 7 13:09:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7I9QOI027646 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:09:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB7I93TW007942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:09:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB7I5P1C073657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7I4xv6045103; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:05:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7I3qBb043495 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:04:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so559831ugc for ; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 10:03:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bCPcvCJEp/wzj1i845ibFLBiTl3ktYH/H2hs5dZFlpfPS4L0mUhR3lECcWF/qj2hlKTXOOoEyd9NmVeoBeXuXcSn3TA1uTnMu7Rg2Vz66N2TwBSMAJFHzeQM6LSGZWNjzvZRFz/Mw2LNgyKQf4hjJgIRwwWWeXHkQ1ESnSmi9pg= Received: by 10.82.111.8 with SMTP id j8mr787204buc.1165514620590; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 10:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.177.7 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 10:03:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070612071003y10ff45d7w7276859c2db673d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:03:40 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] The dreaded cutting of fabric In-Reply-To: <239.205b9ccd.32a8df5e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <239.205b9ccd.32a8df5e@aol.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO Thanks. I got the muslin cut, now to try it on and adjust the fit. Katy On 12/6/06, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Coraggio! > > Just check and double check before you cut. Remember to match the plaid > where you can. And if that's impossible, make sure the mismatch looks deliberate > and not like you just barely got it "off". > > And let us see the beautiful results! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 7 13:13:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7IDE1C027983 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:13:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB7IDBh1021369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:13:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB7IA4V8074778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:10:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7I9vZe052511; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:10:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.233]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7DUwH7026673 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 06:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.87]) by bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 05:30:53 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 05:30:52 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.138.123 by by133fd.bay133.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:30:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 06:30:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2006 13:30:52.0960 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAC8CA00:01C71A03] X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Silk Gazar? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:13:15 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Can any of you tell me how this compares to an Organza? I've never had a chance to handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 7 13:23:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7INV7u031363 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:23:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB7INSc1024645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:23:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB7ILHm6076917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:21:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7IKW7W068924; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:20:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7HIMmq087887 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 10:18:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=ZIvCCt610f743KLpi8AEt7/37yj+wDruvIzUMNPDcBQ3I6UgqmJM6ILwtX/5pmm3; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.26] (helo=mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GsMt4-0004sy-8U for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 12:18:22 -0500 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:18:21 -0500 Message-ID: <5369700.1165511901960.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 09:18:21 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The dreaded cutting of fabric Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c25aadb755b64646da00b2afbb1a6e95c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.26 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:23:31 -0500 (EST) Status: RO >Coraggio! > >Just check and double check before you cut. Remember to match the plaid >where you can. And if that's impossible, make sure the mismatch looks deliberate >and not like you just barely got it "off". To paraphrase Martin Luther, "If you're going to sin, sin boldly!" ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 7 13:35:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7IZXlk000550 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:35:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB7IZQxV026674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:35:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB7IVa6g078837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:31:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7IUxMH082612; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7IUp2M082349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:30:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:15328 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GsO13-0006RK-HU for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 12:30:42 -0600 Message-ID: <01f201c71a2d$caacef10$ac00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Gazar? Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:30:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:35:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" > Can any of you tell me how this compares to an Organza? I've never had a > chance to handle it. It's heavier and (at least what I've handled) more slippery. Picture satin-backed organza. I think there were some posts about it on here a few months back--you might want to see if you can find it in the archives. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 7 14:27:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7JRt3R016759 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:27:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB7JRHA1004453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:27:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB7JMSQm088816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:22:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7JMGrZ046138; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:22:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-36.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7JM4XO045872 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:22:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52750B29D2 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:22:03 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <457869E6.7010006@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:22:14 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] anybody going to the British Museum? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO I have a request for anyone who is going to be in London this month. Some of the photos I took when I went in November did not come out, and there is one beautiful south american jacket photo I particularly want to replace. If you're going and would be willing to hunt it down for me (I know roughly where it is, but I don't have detailed enough info to ask the museum for a slide), please email me. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 7 15:01:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7K1iN3017503 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:01:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB7K1fd7025913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:01:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB7JvPkK095782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:57:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7JvIh9087512; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:57:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail02.unl.edu (webmail02.unl.edu [129.93.1.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7Jv7Ct087208 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:57:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail02.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id kB7Jv3l23609 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:57:03 -0600 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] anybody going to the British Museum? Message-ID: <1165521423.4578720f0ff6b@webmail02.unl.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:57:03 -0600 (CST) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: <457869E6.7010006@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <457869E6.7010006@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:01:45 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Ooh, yes! And is there anything else I should look for while I'm there? > I have a request for anyone who is going to be in London this month. > Some of the photos I took when I went in November did not come out, and > > there is one beautiful south american jacket photo I particularly want > > to replace. If you're going and would be willing to hunt it down for me > > (I know roughly where it is, but I don't have detailed enough info to > ask the museum for a slide), please email me. :) > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > http://anvil.unl.edu/emma http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 7 15:14:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7KErVH017822 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:14:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB7KEkvj018905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:14:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB7KCemM098639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:12:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7KCVD8006243; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:12:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7KCJ88005815 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:12:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.4]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061207201200.KMRU4563.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:12:00 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.4]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061207201200.PFDY4808.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:12:00 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20061207140611.02891160@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:11:54 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200612071900.kB7J0AQv018916@net.indra.com> References: <200612071900.kB7J0AQv018916@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Anglo-Saxon clothing book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:14:53 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I've had this on pre-order since April of 2005. Yes, 20 months! It has been delayed so many times that I was waiting until I had my copy before posting any more about it. David Brown Books (Oxbow) is discounting it for pre-orders. Beth At 01:00 PM 12/7/2006, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 01:32:48 -0600 >From: "E House" > >Not my era, but Amazon just sent me this and it sounded like it might pique >someone's interest: > >--------------- >We've noticed that customers who have expressed interest in Knives and >Scabbards (Medieval Finds from Excavations in London) by J. Cowgill have >also ordered Cloth And Clothing in Early Anglo-Saxon England, AD 450-700 >(CBA Research Reports) by Penelope Rogers. For this reason, you might like >to know that Penelope Rogers's Cloth And Clothing in Early Anglo-Saxon >England, AD 450-700 (CBA Research Reports) will be released on December 20, >2006. > >Cloth And Clothing in Early Anglo-Saxon England, AD 450-700 (CBA Research >Reports) (Paperback) >by Penelope Rogers >Paperback: 250 pages >Publisher: Council for British Archaeology (December 20, 2006) >Language: English >ISBN: 1902771540 >---------------- > >-E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 7 15:29:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7KTw5a018160 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:29:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB7KTp7o029390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:29:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB7KSEMw001591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:28:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7KS9e5025769; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:28:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7KS1Yi025502 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:28:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C2EB2A11 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:27:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45787957.20704@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:28:07 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] anybody going to the British Museum? References: <457869E6.7010006@reddawn.net> <1165521423.4578720f0ff6b@webmail02.unl.edu> In-Reply-To: <1165521423.4578720f0ff6b@webmail02.unl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Status: RO 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > Ooh, yes! And is there anything else I should look for while I'm there? > > >>I have a request for anyone who is going to be in London this month. >>Some of the photos I took when I went in November did not come out, and There is a ton of amazingly good stuff at the British Museum. Too much, really. What time periods are you interested in? And don't forget to leave yourself an hour for the bookshop. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 7 18:44:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7NhwfO023317 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:44:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB7Nhtl3028611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:43:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB7NdEgo038685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:39:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7Nd7SL047820; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:39:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB7Ncxs4047548 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:39:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061207230148.WHEL13558.fep33.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 00:01:48 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.27]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061207230148.TVKE13466.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 00:01:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c71a53$abfa8c00$1be73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Gazar? Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 00:01:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.63.231.27] at Fri, 8 Dec 2006 00:01:41 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4fd2a38a-9a74-4244-9415-ac54a7d97df0 Status: RO Hi, Dont know it but i found this: http://vox.popula.com/vintage/texlib/smnet.html Bjarne Time to say godnight now ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: [h-cost] Silk Gazar? > Can any of you tell me how this compares to an Organza? I've never had a > chance to handle it. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 7 19:21:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB80L1xN024136 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:21:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB80Krqe026596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:21:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB80JLQe045993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB80JJJG088600; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:19:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB80JEvZ088493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:19:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kB80KMS4031759 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:20:23 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Anglo-Saxon clothing book Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:26:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200612071900.kB7J0AQv018916@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20061207140611.02891160@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20061207140611.02891160@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200612071926.28125.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc71d8cc-6797-481f-85fc-871d66a42824 X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:21:01 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Thursday 07 December 2006 3:11 pm, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > I've had this on pre-order since April of 2005. Yes, 20 months! It has been > delayed so many times that I was waiting until I had my copy before posting > any more about it. > > David Brown Books (Oxbow) is discounting it for pre-orders. Me too. I can't remember any more how many times the publication date has been moved. :-( -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 8 04:21:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB89LMA8001980 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 04:21:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB89LJL9012281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Dec 2006 04:21:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB89Jq0K025954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Dec 2006 02:19:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB89Jlj4007059; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 02:19:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kB89Jhfu006953 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 02:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 16228 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2006 09:19:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=I8gaSpvUl7W3JlmppOrKnyZozptIBBaqtDaaIfCLQQOSeSldeVlA495pq7Ze22czJky3ToMeBWOaM4ctH/bGNctXiFCjKWSOnADAVTrZgLkUiXsjD1WuPtP24rxZjKSYqwa98hwTxqHU8Y119Baw0mS+Oe+6PYKbb9ASbYQBeTs= ; Message-ID: <20061208091938.16226.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.28.159.168] by web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 01:19:38 PST Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 01:19:38 -0800 (PST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d547f269-9231-4daa-b2b9-3f949b595cec X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Dec 2006 04:21:22 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kB89LMA8001980 Status: RO ----- Original Message ---- From: Bella To: Historical Costume Sent: Wednesday, 6 December, 2006 2:08:48 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt >>>>> And yes, she is another Italian example. I'm sure there are more out there, but as I said, anything not 16thc Venetian or Italian is not my forte. :-)<<<< And it has been demostrated that even the Italian examples I forget about! Hence the Beatrice d'Este example already given and discussed, and now I present to you this lovely example of stripes by Sofonisba Anguissola that I was just reminded about.... http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Sofonisba_Anguissola_001.jpg Woven in I think. :-) Bella Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 8 08:06:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB8D6MLR008062 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:06:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kB8D5u1v019601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:06:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kB8D4dSQ054677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Dec 2006 06:04:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB8D4Zmm071456; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 06:04:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB83u4q2073029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 20:56:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:17230 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GsWqI-0007mY-32 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:56:10 -0600 Message-ID: <44bd01c71a7c$c6714f50$ac00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000401c71a53$abfa8c00$1be73f50@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Gazar? Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:55:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8c8c5371-fba8-4099-ad2f-5f96bbf9e6bf Status: RO I have a feeling it's going to depend on who's selling it; the silk gazar being sold by Fashion Fabrics Club, for example, doesn't really seem to match perfectly the descriptions I've read; it's more like what I'd expect from satin-backed organza (which I've actually never handled). Here's what I posted last time about my experience with it: --------------- Picture a heavy organza that's shiny/satiny on one side, at least when purchased from FFC. I got some of their gazar, and though it was absolutely GORGEOUS, it was also a nightmare to sew. If I hadn't been making the dress for a client who loved the fabric, I would have thrown it out. Or better yet, had a bonfire. It catches and runs and is so slippery you think you're going insane, and the dye job doesn't quite go all the way through--if the fabric gets creased you can iron it out, but you'll have a pale line where the crease was. But it is gorgeous. --------------- [search the archives around 11/13 for the topic 'Fabric Question' for more] I should add that it has a very papery texture. In the future, I'd consider using it as a utility fabric for interlining/stiffening of a small area, but never again shall I try to use it as a fashion fabric layer for an entire garment. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 19:07:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB07ifQ019914 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:07:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB07fLw019290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:07:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB0756n032472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:07:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB06uZ9022577; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:06:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB8FNr48004053 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:23:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0J9Y002R1O3K6HV0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 10:23:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 10:23:28 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1cba1567-41dd-42b0-8db6-a4bdc145cb8b X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457CA14D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:07:44 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I've read "The Devil's Cloth" and I agree that there are some interesting-- and sometimes far fetched -- ideas presented there. I remember seeing a painting right after I read the book. It was John the Baptist baptizing Jesus. Jesus is wearing a striped undergarment. Somehow I doubt that He would not be wearing something that was questionable-- even if it is a painting. Just as a side note. I made the Beatrice dress. IMO the stripes have to be spliced in or applied. I remember the stripes doing domething funky around the shoulders. Remember too, that this is a postumous picture of her-- she died in childbed (the baby she lost is kneeling next to her in the picture)-- so she wouldn't be posing in the dress, anyway. As for stripes themselves-- everything woven would have to be yarn dyed, unless there are two different fibers used. Then two chemically different dyes, formulated to work with one of the fibers, could be dumped into the same pot. This is a modern dye method and I am not sure how far back it goes. But wasn't there laws about mixing two fibers in a cloth? Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Cat Dancer Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:08 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Ooo, a whole book about it! Thanks! I don't remember where I found my copy. It's a fascinating book even if some of his theories are off-the-wall. :-) The one thing it did do was to get us to look critically at portrayals and look for themes and such. > > Pixel, is there any way of knowing if the sumptuary laws meant woven-in stripes, applied stripes or pieced stripes? > > That painting with Mary Magdalen looked like they might be applied. The Castilian law specifies types of cloth (which I will have to look up when I get home) but the London law just says 'rayed cloth'. [I highly recommend /Governance of the consuming passions : a history of sumptuary law/ by Alan Hunt, if you want to dig deeper.] The rayed cloth of the London law is probably woven-in stripes, stripes being what you, the weaver, do if you have leftover yarns but not enough of any one color to do anything useful with. I want to say that cloth woven of dyed wool is going to be cheaper than cloth that is woven and then dyed, but I don't have enough knowledge of the medieval textile industry to be saying that. [Here is where someone who does, steps in and corrects me. ;-)] Certainly the comments in the inventories and accounts are specific that rayed cloth is for the members of the household fairly far down on the social scale--the valets and such. What we've found, in going over some amazingly huge number of illuminations, frescos, panel paintings, book illustrations, etc., is that when someone is portrayed in stripes and/or parti-colour, that person is somehow a social inferior to at least one of the other people in the artwork. So we see stripes (and sometimes plaids) on musicians and on the people that my consort refers to as "minions"--the various servants, lackeys, etc. that tend to hang around important people in the art. Except in the Manesse Codex, where I suspect that stripes indicate someone who is a fop or otherwise on the edge of fashion. Note that that's only a hypothesis--it hasn't made it to theory yet. ;-) > > Thanks to everyone who responded! I love this kind of conversation with you guys! > > Tea Rose Anything to geek about stuff that isn't work! Pixel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 19:09:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB096JC019952 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:09:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB091CX003477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:09:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB08Y8W032787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:08:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB08VwP024109; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:08:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB8G0iJk046806 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:00:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.37.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.37] helo=faucet.net) by pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gsi9T-0006gA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 11:00:44 -0500 Message-ID: <45799A2C.3070505@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 11:00:28 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt References: <20061208091938.16226.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 16976b8a-856f-4d25-997d-f5d79d146606 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CA19D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:09:07 -0500 (EST) Status: RO What a fascinating portrait! I haven't seen that one before. Two things in particular are very interesting to me: the cut of the sleeves on the right-hand girl, which you see in the tailor's manuals but not so much in the portraits, and the colored ties that loop through the corners of the partlet collars to hold them in place and then are tied and tucked into the chemise. Neat! Thanks, Melanie Bella wrote: > > And it has been demostrated that even the Italian examples I forget > about! Hence the Beatrice d'Este example already given and discussed, > and now I present to you this lovely example of stripes by Sofonisba > Anguissola that I was just reminded about.... > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Sofonisba_Anguissola_001.jpg > > Woven in I think. :-) > > > Bella _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 19:14:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0DoCb020072 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:13:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB0DlA5023152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:13:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB0DCvt034397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:13:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0D4Ov030038; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:13:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB937FDa016377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 20:07:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id kB9378YY000914; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 19:07:12 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Tudortailor" , "Tudortailor" , "Sca-Laurels" , "Katherine Barich" , "H-Costume" , "Tudortalk" , , , "rivers-laurels" Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 19:07:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Inventories of Henry VIII and More just for YOU X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: abd2afe9-0569-481b-89e3-997ab20e14cf X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457CA2BB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Well, He's friendly until the end of his post where he hit me with this: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/47314/Location/DBBC The fact that I had just received a "Christmas Present" large enough to make such a purchase possible... but I think that The Luttrell Psalter: A Facsimile at $650 may have to stay on their shelves. However, I certainly hope that any of you who have libraries that will order such a thing for their collection, probably colleges, will give your librarian a good strong nudge about this one before they take it to Kalamazoo and flog it there! With friends like Ian I will always have something to read. By the way, I don't work for them, I couldn't afford it. I just am a very happy customer. Wanda Pease "All I want is a warm bed, a kind word and unlimited power" "Yes, I am an Agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 19:17:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0HFql020153 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:17:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB0HCJV032053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:17:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB0GsYr035840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:16:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0GqLN035090; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:16:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB9EdSER053900 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 07:39:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so1211935nfe for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2006 06:39:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=eKiCB9fmVNLi5whKKNHBgVncvVXJLEaVxHaJ3jpd+x9QNTeKVk03LvxsWjLM/BOAgguttIzyQctpLjnyddZ0QabpFZzFp0tYWUgZLixlLhWhikUqatL+uOE8eGg+taz3q23WYfIsZKoAFjgmIMngzqsKbqsLYW3SJc7C7pZJVmI= Received: by 10.82.182.8 with SMTP id e8mr675888buf.1165675177774; Sat, 09 Dec 2006 06:39:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.177.7 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 06:39:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070612090639j29580b7dy13c605ecbff26cac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:39:37 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] not getting mail X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 876de546-afe4-4fe5-ae53-6d08f9425b5f X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457CA388.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I am not getting any h-costume mail, got almost none yesterday (just one at 4AM), just testing to see if I get this. Katy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 19:19:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0JbkH020221 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:19:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB0JYF2010024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:19:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB0JBt0036660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:19:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0J9eR038026; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:19:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB9KjPNt085643 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 13:45:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14140 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 15:30:26 -0600 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 15:30:26 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Forgive me, for I have sinned... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f76e41d-05e4-4e8b-82ab-256d011bb17f X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CA416.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:19:37 -0500 (EST) Status: RO My h-cost gift exchange package has not yet gone out. It was supposed to be out yesterday. It is all ready and packed and will be in the mail Monday. Bet I'm not the only one. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 19:21:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0LNVK020263 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:21:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB0LKG7011457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:21:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB0Kv7A037147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:20:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0Ku4d040057; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:20:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBA4CcXp025761 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 21:12:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (80.birmingham-06rh15rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.177.80]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <20061210041232113003fttfe>; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 04:12:32 +0000 Message-ID: <005001c71c11$66481410$50b14a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 22:12:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many rep=14% Subject: [h-cost] Am I Missing something?? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4886635e-bb08-4c0a-9311-dc421e7436f8 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CA480.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:21:23 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I haven't heard anything from the list in two days. Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 19:24:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0OmNM020339 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:24:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB0OicR013905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:24:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB0ORLs038240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0ORxc044108; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s3.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s3.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBAFAZMB064725 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:10:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.21]) by bay0-omc1-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:10:30 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:10:30 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY133-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:10:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000401c71a53$abfa8c00$1be73f50@CPQ21932199711> <44bd01c71a7c$c6714f50$ac00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Gazar? Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:10:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:10:41 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2006 15:10:30.0465 (UTC) FILETIME=[54E4EB10:01C71C6D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e1841785-da95-4bbb-8178-d8e1a254a643 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CA54C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:24:48 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kBB0OmNM020339 Status: RO Thanks-very descriptive. I have ordered a sample....didn't want to buy a whole bunch (its for a ruff) if it is a nightmare to sew with. Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: E House To: Historical Costume Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Gazar? I have a feeling it's going to depend on who's selling it; the silk gazar being sold by Fashion Fabrics Club, for example, doesn't really seem to match perfectly the descriptions I've read; it's more like what I'd expect from satin-backed organza (which I've actually never handled). Here's what I posted last time about my experience with it: --------------- Picture a heavy organza that's shiny/satiny on one side, at least when purchased from FFC. I got some of their gazar, and though it was absolutely GORGEOUS, it was also a nightmare to sew. If I hadn't been making the dress for a client who loved the fabric, I would have thrown it out. Or better yet, had a bonfire. It catches and runs and is so slippery you think you're going insane, and the dye job doesn't quite go all the way through--if the fabric gets creased you can iron it out, but you'll have a pale line where the crease was. But it is gorgeous. --------------- [search the archives around 11/13 for the topic 'Fabric Question' for more] I should add that it has a very papery texture. In the future, I'd consider using it as a utility fabric for interlining/stiffening of a small area, but never again shall I try to use it as a fashion fabric layer for an entire garment. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 19:24:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0Ow9O020345 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:24:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB0OtWw029187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:24:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB0OGtt038185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:24:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0OEPS043883; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:24:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBAEeUO8041089 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:40:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2006121009402426959 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:40:24 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBAEeLBs007968 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:40:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801c71c69$2178b0d0$51a810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <01d901c719d1$e705ba40$ac00a8c0@compaqub> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:40:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] German 1830's-40's lower classes? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35e35f5a-399d-4905-96e5-970bd980fa38 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457CA557.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:24:58 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Any body know where I can look for images of German (or surrounding areas) lower to middle classes -- also military and mental wards? Doing a production of "Woyzeck" by Beuchner (died 1836) and the director would like to use this time frame but we seem to find mostly upper class. Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 19:32:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0WOia020532 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:32:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB0WKGJ019500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:32:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB0QqNU039019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:26:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0Qo84046774; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBAL8NhP071091 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:08:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061210210815.XCXU22159.fep30.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:08:15 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.195]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061210210815.VMFW15028.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:08:15 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c71c9f$520d0030$c36ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:08:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.164.110.195] at Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:07:58 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] question about a book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d29a5703-a95a-438e-a213-0c4f19e12cea X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CA714.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:32:24 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Found this book. Its rather expensive, and it doesnt say much about the book. Do any here know it? Survey Of Historic Costume: A History Of Western Dress by Phyllis G. Tortora and Keith Eubank (Hardcover - Jun 30, 2005) Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 19:54:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0sjf3020957 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:54:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB0sfXI018227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:54:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB0qPA3043561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:52:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0qOD4068271; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:52:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0qJG1068197 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:52:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17659 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:37:35 -0600 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:37:35 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] not getting mail In-Reply-To: <3586f5070612090639j29580b7dy13c605ecbff26cac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ae7654c-0d31-4041-9c50-04bad43c1fd4 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457CAC51.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:54:45 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Sat, 9 Dec 2006, Katy Bishop wrote: > I am not getting any h-costume mail, got almost none yesterday (just > one at 4AM), just testing to see if I get this. I just got a huge dump of mail going back to Friday, so I expect a bunch of other people were experiencing the same holdup. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 19:56:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0unaB021006 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:56:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB0ukDE003658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:56:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB0pWKs043369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:51:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0pUro067519; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:51:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0pRLm067453 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:51:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17633 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:36:42 -0600 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:36:42 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <452201c71aee$5f830870$ac00a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] MC&T3 (was: striped skirt) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e03f59b-946a-4962-a270-d8446e50983c X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CACCE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:56:49 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Fri, 8 Dec 2006, E House wrote: > > On Dec 6, 2006, at 7:48 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > >> I've just finished editing an article by John Munro that will > >> appear in > >> the next volume of Medieval Clothing & Textiles (vol. 3, to be > >> released in > >> spring 2007). > > Want it now! Hurryhurry! =} The proofs are on my desk right now, and I'm working as fast as I can! > Can you tell us what else is planned for the volume? Well, since you ask: 1. Elizabeth Coatsworth, on Anglo-Saxon domestic textiles (cushions, bedocverings, etc.) 2. Sarah Larratt Keefer, on Anglo-Saxon church vestments 3. Susan Leibacher Ward, on the use of saints in opus anglicanum embroidery in 13th and 14th century church vestments 4. John Munro, on color preferences in Flemish luxury woollens, 1300-1550 (with a bunch of tables showing primary data on prices, number of purchases, and colors) 5. John Oldland, on finishing processes for English woollens, 1300-1550 6. Lesley K. Twomey, on the symbolism of clothing descriptions in a 15th century Spanish story of Mary 7. Elizabeth Benns, on a 15th-century manual for fingerloop braiding 8. Lois Swales and Heather Blatt, on woven and fingerlooped bookmarkers (lots of analysis of extant pieces in this one!) 9. h-cost's own Melanie Schuessler, on references to children's clothing in the Lisle Letters, 1553-40 All that is listed here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832917.HTM Pre-orders welcome there, or via Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Medieval-Clothing-Textiles/dp/1843832917 Right now the prices is the same in both places, so if you are pre-ordering and it doesn't matter which source you use, please use Boydell; they get the numbers that way, whereas they don't know how many people pre-order elsewhere. --Robin ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 20:30:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB1UZr9021631 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:30:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB1UV6o008262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:30:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB1TpfZ050417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:29:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB1TmMq098880; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB1Tiux098771 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:29:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JA3006BU5H44840@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:29:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.200] (Forwarded-For: 4.250.57.80, [10.240.3.200]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:29:28 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:29:28 +0000 (GMT) From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forgive me, for I have sinned... 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:30:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Same here -- I thought I was the only one who was late.. I hope to get it out by Tuesday.. Mon is busy for us. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Netherton > > My h-cost gift exchange package has not yet gone out. It was > supposed to be out yesterday. It is all ready and packed and will be in the mail > Monday. > > Bet I'm not the only one. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 20:32:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB1W6LX021651 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:32:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB1W3r0027946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:32:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB1VhVe050789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:31:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB1Vhim000730; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:31:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (88.d2.1343.static.theplanet.com [67.19.210.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB1Vd5j000666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:31:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Gta18-00075D-QL; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:31:42 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:31:42 -0500 Message-ID: <20061210203142.nhkgablxwvcososo@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:31:42 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fdfce198-2c79-4d44-9040-9a02e6d689a8 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CB513.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:32:06 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting otsisto : > Don't know if this was posted here. > German > http://pics.livejournal.com/jillwheezul/pic/0003sk8k > Far right, probably applied or strips stitched together. *wow* I love that! Is there any additional information on that work? I've never seen it before! I'll have to pop over to her LJ and ask ..... susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 20:33:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB1XWQ4021666 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:33:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB1XSwE009880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:33:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB1W9E5050840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:32:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB1W9oi001102; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:32:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB1W5kK000950 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:32:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cc0.5e5de4c (41812) for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:31:58 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:31:55 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=4% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 768 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2ed55e5-95cd-4514-b25b-00986857861f X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457CB568.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:33:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO tsk, tsk - mine went ages ago ;o) but only cos bought it at the re-enactor's market and didn't want it to disappear into the tardis that is our house In a message dated 11/12/2006 00:25:24 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > My h-cost gift exchange package has not yet gone out. It was supposed to > be out yesterday. It is all ready and packed and will be in the mail > Monday. > > Bet I'm not the only one. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 20:39:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB1duCI021768 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:39:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB1dqqd000322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:39:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB1bgC9051578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:37:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB1begm005272; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:37:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB1bXaj005196 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:37:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from camelothorse@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=L+WJbosIageUrGRcfFRVWbbdMKyWwAo1ii+11OW/7gcDp45NGNbwrQpqRNK09Rsj; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Organization:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-reply-to:Thread-Index:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.231.158.49] (helo=camelot01) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Gta6m-00054Y-Kg for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:37:33 -0500 From: "Diane Maynard" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Forgive me, for I have sinned... Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:37:27 -0600 Organization: Camelot Horse Center Message-ID: <002801c71cc4$ed828470$319ee704@camelot01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-reply-to: Thread-Index: Acccuh46zeH5UXxVTLCDvsq/BrsYCwACpxKQ X-ELNK-Trace: 7d3e56efc2551607917237dadff7bf594d2b10475b571120d491a7d9cf0a6753de05c3fba2076b424afa1d9ffb2ba57f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.231.158.49 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb6b3a36-2189-4f4a-b4b4-f5c2f89d7556 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CB6E8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:39:56 -0500 (EST) Status: RO You are not the only one--Mine is also packaged and ready to go but, not in the mail yet. Diane -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 3:30 PM To: Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Forgive me, for I have sinned... My h-cost gift exchange package has not yet gone out. It was supposed to be out yesterday. It is all ready and packed and will be in the mail Monday. Bet I'm not the only one. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 20:46:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB1kOSD021898 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:46:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB1kKwa012593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:46:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB1hZvb052420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:43:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB1hXoF009991; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:43:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB1hT0r009824 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:43:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c41.a98c77d (39331) for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:43:15 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:43:13 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about a book To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a3e4da70-3d24-4b67-af5f-f5d78055235e X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457CB86C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 12/10/2006 7:27:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Found this book. Its rather expensive, and it doesnt say much about the book. Do any here know it? This is one of the standard history of costume texts used here in the U.S. I haven't seen the latest edition--I have the last one. It is just that, a very general survey. I'm not sure, Bjarne, whether you would find it very useful. I would say that, if you do not have any of the general survey books, you ought to have at least one. How expensive is it? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 21:28:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB2StRe022803 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:28:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB2SpoW001347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:28:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB2SLhB059858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:28:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB2SKKf047587; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:28:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB9MJuiU068134 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 15:19:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.200.219]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JA1008B21ZE6B26@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Dec 2006 16:19:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 17:18:45 -0500 From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <00cf01c71be0$076f7e00$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: da05fdba-7b42-4aac-a4e5-bd8098611efe X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457CC263.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In the process of (finally) unpacking my books, I've been finding things that could use a home other than mine. I have a Metropolitan Museum of Art Bulletin from back in the days when they sent members these glossy books every quarter. It's from the costume collection and contains large, high-quality pictures of garments from 1695 through the early 1950's, including microphotographs of some of the embroidered detail of the garments. It's nice to look at, but way past anything I'm really interested in. So... I will scan and send photos of anything that someone fancies, and the whole thing can belong to the first person who asks for it. (You have two weeks to ask for the pictures, then I'll mail it.) The highlights: - Complete embroidered woman's dress from 1695 - Four men's 18th c embroidered coats, one uncut, one with original embroidery cartoon, one with pants and vest - Men's banyans - Assorted women's 18c dresses, one with panniers, most sack-backed, all embroidered or hand-painted, 1740's - 1795 - Assorted women's 19c outfits, day dresses, evening wear, several from each decade - Assorted women's 20c outfits, evening wear, suits, etc, up to the 50's -Helen/Aidan - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 21:29:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB2TDJq022814 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:29:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB2T96t032685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:29:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB2SuAj060073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:28:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB2SrAL048071; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:28:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBAFJoYk072017 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:19:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.12]) by bay0-omc1-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:19:45 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:19:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY133-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:19:43 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:19:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:19:57 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2006 15:19:45.0342 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FA06DE0:01C71C6E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cockades-French vs Scottish? Instructions? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aa40b781-db3b-4f4e-bf94-41d12a10ef82 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CC275.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:29:13 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kBB2TDJq022814 Status: RO A friend asked me to find out about instructions for making a Scottish Cockade. In my internet search it appears that there may be a significant difference between the two types. http://www.appins.org/bonnet.htm This would appear to be the Scottish type? Any one have more knowledge about this? I did find a commercial pattern which appears to be Scottish in nature here: Supposedly it has a means of making a Cockade and a Toorie (what is that?). Thanks, in advance, Saragrace _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 21:30:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB2UFeE022843 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:30:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB2UBnD000982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:30:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB2Tpjl060294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:29:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB2Tn5F049059; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:29:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0GsaL035076 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:16:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31339) id <01MALNOWT1FK9ZR5S7@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:15:15 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31339) with ESMTP id <01MALNOWN8C29ZQTEG@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:15:15 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:16:42 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <457CA36A.30708@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b187b14-936a-4829-be47-2e05033de81d X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CC2B3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 21:33:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB2XoA4022913 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:33:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB2XkgO011146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:33:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB2XEQt061400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:33:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB2XD2l053051; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:33:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0lRRv064428 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:47:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.230.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.230]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GtZKI-0002jn-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:47:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <665BDDB2-FFC8-432D-BAE5-3345B3D456E5@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forgive me, for I have sinned... Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:47:24 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1282d28-bd69-44f0-b78c-1430ec910e7e X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457CC38A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:33:50 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I sent my gift recipient a card (by the deadline) to say SOON! -- meaning I'll be sending in the next week. The deadline of the 8th was just too hard for this Freshman Comp teacher as the semester cascades to a close. --Ruth Anne On Dec 9, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > > My h-cost gift exchange package has not yet gone out. It was > supposed to > be out yesterday. It is all ready and packed and will be in the mail > Monday. > > Bet I'm not the only one. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 21:34:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB2YFsw022932 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:34:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB2YB7U004151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:34:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB2XVvo061442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:33:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB2XUOp053322; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:33:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51305.mail.yahoo.com (web51305.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBB0tMxG070683 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:55:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15890 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2006 00:55:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LBGiIpiX9FIjP+kRaZAcsihWR+EyCqaZiQF3uhR3W38TKoZ3W/nn/CYDnYPSmmUlF3cyIfMLYxeRjciSpXPg0kBRUk35oYSEVSVWXpYQIS7X0fIPaL69nMPut54qRzcfCaQswuYbwvMaGEEboa+j6d5IlHT3EwS8pW4tmoHqPt8= ; Message-ID: <20061211005515.15888.qmail@web51305.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 0w.NVSEVM1k7xc2Vkhtq46ljPdK2n.XV_D8T6OfJbH323ZHcbJ6jT.y2Zbh6IHze4YDKG7OurczK4yYSO1JiCk.EyrgdCrNMhLRGCk1h4.liYAjb2wkCzTSrgVO426R2osoe7FZKRs58bSc- Received: from [69.177.224.102] by web51305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:55:15 PST Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:55:15 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001901c71ae1$8ce79720$1bbfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc663f5d-4875-4872-84dd-1e53d7e47564 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CC3A3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:34:15 -0500 (EST) Status: RO It's not a skirt, and it's plaid (rather a 'window-pane' check), not striped, but do remember, please, the cut-off cuff found in London, as published in the MOL Textiles & Clothing book. Tiny stripes (2 threads?) of dark intersecting stripes of medium & light threads, both verticallly and horizontally. One way had more threads than the other. Maybe 1300-1450--it's dated more precisely in the book. (Yes, it's from memory, but I'm being too lazy to look it up properly.) I'm guessing that stripes & or plaids were just not what artists were looking to paint. At least this group won't assume that any person in plaids/crossed stripes/etc. is Scottish. :) Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 21:34:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB2YZH3022938 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:34:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB2YVQ9004073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:34:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB2Y157061583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:34:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB2Y0aK053844; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:34:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (88.d2.1343.static.theplanet.com [67.19.210.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB1jQNS011518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:45:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GtaEU-0000rQ-5R; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:45:30 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:45:30 -0500 Message-ID: <20061210204530.ayixw4012pbksccg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:45:30 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forgive me, for I have sinned... 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Quoting Robin Netherton : > > My h-cost gift exchange package has not yet gone out. It was supposed to > be out yesterday. It is all ready and packed and will be in the mail > Monday. > > Bet I'm not the only one. No, no you're not. *sigh* Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 21:48:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB2mXKr023265 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:48:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB2mUiE010902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:48:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB08xt1032922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:08:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB08vgc024601; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:08:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2a.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB8G23ur048138 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:02:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D30E534641 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:02:02 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:02:06 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <20061208091938.16226.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b14e57a2-2989-4a2d-a5c7-85c512fdd706 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457CC6FE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Don't know if this was posted here. German http://pics.livejournal.com/jillwheezul/pic/0003sk8k Far right, probably applied or strips stitched together. De -----Original Message----- >>>>> And yes, she is another Italian example. I'm sure there are more out there, but as I said, anything not 16thc Venetian or Italian is not my forte. :-)<<<< And it has been demostrated that even the Italian examples I forget about! Hence the Beatrice d'Este example already given and discussed, and now I present to you this lovely example of stripes by Sofonisba Anguissola that I was just reminded about.... http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Sofonisba_Anguissola_001.jpg Woven in I think. :-) Bella _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 21:48:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB2mXKt023265 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:48:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB2mUiG010902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:48:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB0OStd038243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:24:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB0ORNY044118; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.225]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBAFN0Ar074493 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:23:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.25]) by bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:22:55 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:22:55 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY133-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:22:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:23:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:23:07 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2006 15:22:55.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[10D80A90:01C71C6F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Comparing silk sewing thread...grrrr X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31748f18-6067-4fce-a277-a3e0d14ab5c7 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457CC6FE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 21:48:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB2mXKv023265 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:48:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB2mUiI010902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:48:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB09pfH033215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:09:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB09khU025723; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:09:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB8HTGL9052433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:29:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:18977 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GsjX7-0000AT-QK for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Dec 2006 11:29:15 -0600 Message-ID: <452201c71aee$5f830870$ac00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 11:29:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 67d788ba-f0bf-4b62-9180-e124e83bdec2 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457CC6FE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > On Dec 6, 2006, at 7:48 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: >> I've just finished editing an article by John Munro that will >> appear in >> the next volume of Medieval Clothing & Textiles (vol. 3, to be >> released in >> spring 2007). Want it now! Hurryhurry! =} Can you tell us what else is planned for the volume? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 21:48:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB2mXKx023265 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:48:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB2mUiK010902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:48:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB086m1032695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:08:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB083T4023676; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:08:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB8Fmofb033400 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:48:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m27.in-tch.com [216.166.191.27]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id kB8FaD511127 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:36:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001901c71ae1$8ce79720$1bbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061208091938.16226.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:57:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f20bac7d-c388-4ee4-97ec-64312777e97b X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457CC6FE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Dang! Now *I'm* embarassed, because I've looked at my book on Sofonisba maybe a 1000 times, and I didn't even *think* of that one! I'm starting to wonder, though, since most of the examples we've found that are later-period (16th century, rather than the medieval examples) seem to be Spanish or Italian (region/fashion influence unknown or Venetian), if it's not a regional style? It'd be interesting to nail down the influences especially on the Italian stuff--so many other kingdoms were coming and going on the Italian peninsula in the 1500s, that I wonder if the striped style wouldn't have been known as distinctively "X" in nature. --Sue, who always wanted to write some grand paper exploring the connections between fashion and politics..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bella" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bella > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Wednesday, 6 December, 2006 2:08:48 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt > > >>>>> And yes, she is another Italian example. I'm sure there are more out there, but as I said, anything not 16thc Venetian or Italian is not my forte. :-)<<<< > > > > > And it has been demostrated that even the Italian examples I forget about! Hence the Beatrice d'Este example already given and discussed, and now I present to you this lovely example of stripes by Sofonisba Anguissola that I was just reminded about.... > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Sofonisba_Anguissola_001.jpg > > > Woven in I think. :-) > > > > Bella > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 22:10:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB3ABrh023804 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:10:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB3A26a027149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:10:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB39V1M067080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:09:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB39QC9081648; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:09:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (bc.sympatico.ca [209.226.175.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB39Lpw081596 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:09:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([64.231.207.63]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20061211030921.NMXA8030.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:09:21 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20061210220429.00cfae30@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:09:11 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Bjarne's book question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d23d2da-1fc6-461b-a7d7-412cb85e36f1 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CCC0A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:10:11 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Bjarne, you don't need this book. Survey Of Historic Costume: A History Of Western Dress by Phyllis G. Tortora and Keith Eubank This book is a required text book for a lot of college costume history classes. It gives a surface overview of western costume from ancient times to today. Quite frankly I think Francois Boucher does a better job with 20,000 Years of Fashion. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 22:49:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB3muTH024691 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:49:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB3mmQL017800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:48:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB3kknh072960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:46:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB3khPR011252; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:46:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB3kdAl011143 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:46:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JA300HDWBTJFHN0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:46:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:46:31 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt In-reply-to: <457CA36A.30708@paradise.net.nz> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 709bacc9-9da3-432f-96ab-302ffb2d5609 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457CD520.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:48:56 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I think there were laws about mixing fibers, that did not have to do with religion, as well. Can't think of where off the tp of my head, but if I find it I'll post it. monica/ Catriona -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Adele de Maisieres Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 7:17 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt monica spence wrote: > >But wasn't there laws about mixing two fibers in a cloth? > > Yes, if you're a very observant Jew. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 23:17:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB4HEWM025269 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:17:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB4H7ud032352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:17:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB4GdQ6077829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:16:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB4GaBt035394; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:16:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3j.socket.net [216.106.88.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB4GWXm035334 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:16:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D7EAD3D951 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:16:31 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:16:38 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20061210203142.nhkgablxwvcososo@www.goldsword.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e25b5314-4b48-4196-82d4-2aaca54dba04 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457CDBC3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:17:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I like it to. This lets you see the back and envision the front. De -----Original Message----- > Don't know if this was posted here. > German > http://pics.livejournal.com/jillwheezul/pic/0003sk8k > Far right, probably applied or strips stitched together. *wow* I love that! Is there any additional information on that work? I've never seen it before! I'll have to pop over to her LJ and ask ..... susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 10 23:26:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB4QaZO025393 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:26:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB4QW7C011615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:26:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB4QBoL079681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:26:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB4Q86N043810; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:26:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB4Q38e043731 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:26:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18211 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:11:19 -0600 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:11:19 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inventories of Henry VIII and More just for YOU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb3f9bce-f3bd-49aa-bf91-730f0971e50f X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CDDF8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Really. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 00:33:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB5WwTT026597 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:33:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB5Ws3Z005882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:32:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB5WAMS093957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:32:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB5W5RJ005588; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:32:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB5VrZ7005391 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:31:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m236.in-tch.com [216.166.191.236]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id kBB5JE501298 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:19:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000401c71ce6$dccb1120$ecbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forgive me, for I have sinned... Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:40:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7b55899-4d2a-4dd5-a09b-4ba2e6946a9d X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457CED86.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The thing I'm making for my secret person will be in the mail just as soon as I can possibly get it--and before the 25th, come hell or high water. --Sue, slinking off to go burn some midnight oil working on ??? ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: [h-cost] Forgive me, for I have sinned... > > My h-cost gift exchange package has not yet gone out. It was supposed to > be out yesterday. It is all ready and packed and will be in the mail > Monday. > > Bet I'm not the only one. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 00:37:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB5bcU2026704 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:37:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB5bYmR023842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:37:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB5Zqtc094946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:35:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB5ZoIc009365; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:35:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB5Zg3s009202 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:35:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m236.in-tch.com [216.166.191.236]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id kBB5N3502126 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:23:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002401c71ce7$6558f3e0$ecbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3586f5070612090639j29580b7dy13c605ecbff26cac@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] not getting mail Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:44:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: de6b2793-0590-40af-b173-49231da9ea74 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CEE9F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Must have been some sort of glitch, although I'd just figured it had been a quiet weekend.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: [h-cost] not getting mail > I am not getting any h-costume mail, got almost none yesterday (just > one at 4AM), just testing to see if I get this. > > Katy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 00:47:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB5l1Lk026854 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:47:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB5ktZ2029321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:47:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB5iRG0097688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:44:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB5iKAR018776; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:44:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB5iEhx018670 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:44:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m236.in-tch.com [216.166.191.236]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id kBB5Va504164 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:31:36 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004401c71ce8$96c2fce0$ecbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 768 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:52:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b90ebc96-faad-47a3-befd-c018c5e6a6dc X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CF0CF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:47:01 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Tardis? --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:31 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 768 > tsk, tsk - mine went ages ago > > ;o) > > but only cos bought it at the re-enactor's market and didn't want it to > disappear into the tardis that is our house _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 00:50:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB5opgn026931 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:50:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB5olYI031641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:50:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB5n9vb099354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:49:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB5n6RS023869; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:49:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s12.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s12.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB5n2e9023704 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:49:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.84]) by bay0-omc3-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:48:55 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:48:55 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.121.67.53 by BAY106-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 05:48:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.121.67.53] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061210203142.nhkgablxwvcososo@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:48:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:48:59 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2006 05:48:55.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B9E90C0:01C71CE8] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e70769f8-83bb-4044-bafd-afd889a3ec3e X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CF1B7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:50:51 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kBB5opgn026931 Status: RO If you find anything more, could you please post it here? Janet > Don't know if this was posted here. > German > http://pics.livejournal.com/jillwheezul/pic/0003sk8k > Far right, probably applied or strips stitched together. *wow* I love that! Is there any additional information on that work? I've never seen it before! I'll have to pop over to her LJ and ask ..... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 00:57:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB5vrnZ027047 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:57:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB5vnPY031212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:57:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB3kkie072961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:46:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB3khJ1011251; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:46:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB3kdAj011143 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:46:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JA300HDWBTJFHN0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:46:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:46:31 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] re: Bjarne's book question In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20061210220429.00cfae30@pop8.sympatico.ca> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 374a40db-afaf-4c74-96f7-d2f501488bb5 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457CF35D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I agree. I am, unfortunately, saddled with the Tortora book as the text forteaching my college-level Fashion History class. What is so much worse is the Instructor's interactive CD. OMG-- A bunch of High School kids could do better. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Dawn Luckham Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 10:09 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] re: Bjarne's book question Bjarne, you don't need this book. Survey Of Historic Costume: A History Of Western Dress by Phyllis G. Tortora and Keith Eubank This book is a required text book for a lot of college costume history classes. It gives a surface overview of western costume from ancient times to today. Quite frankly I think Francois Boucher does a better job with 20,000 Years of Fashion. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 00:59:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB5x49b027070 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:59:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB5x0TI018827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:59:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB5weje002388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:58:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB5wYDx034082; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:58:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB5wSgD033966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:58:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id kBB5wRhj011031 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:58:27 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 768 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:58:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <004401c71ce8$96c2fce0$ecbfa6d8@pavilion> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5f4c94de-afec-4cdd-98e8-927ff40d23cf X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457CF3A4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:59:04 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Dr. Who?.. or Fold Box from Glory Road Issue 768 > > > Tardis? > --Sue > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 01:01:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB61q7u027128 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:01:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB61mPo020040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:01:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB61Q4J003218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:01:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB61MpQ037118; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:01:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB61Ev9036950 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:01:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-120.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.120]) by ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBB61Cv8013742 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:01:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006601c71ce9$c2c38660$0202a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004401c71ce8$96c2fce0$ecbfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 768 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:01:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f97ca24-38ee-4d8f-a7db-ab684c47f695 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457CF44C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:01:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO It's a Dr. Who reference - the "spaceship" that he travels through time with. It has a chameleon circuit which allows it to take on any form so that it doesn't get much notice where it lands, only it's broken and is stuck - as a UK Police Box (but I think that they're different now...used to be blue are now red??). It's about the old US phone booth sized outside and *huge* on the inside. A friend of mine has a house like that; looks a bungalow outside, but is over 2000 sq ft inside (ranch-style, no upstairs!). And no, I haven't mailed my prezzie, either. The paint is still drying. :-) kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 768 > Tardis? > --Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:31 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 768 > > >> tsk, tsk - mine went ages ago >> >> ;o) >> >> but only cos bought it at the re-enactor's market and didn't want it to >> disappear into the tardis that is our house > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 01:38:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB6ceUG027820 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:38:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB6cYLQ025942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:38:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB6aJVs013302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:36:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB6ZrMe070973; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:35:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from server022.dfw.nationwide.net (server022.dfw.nationwide.net [206.123.129.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBB6Zk7A070846 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:35:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 8997 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2006 06:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO spamfilter.nationwide.net) (127.0.0.1) by server022.dfw.nationwide.net with SMTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 06:35:45 +0000 Received: from 67.174.246.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by spamfilter.nationwide.net with HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:35:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1051.67.174.246.110.1165818945.squirrel@spamfilter.nationwide.net> In-Reply-To: <000801c71c69$2178b0d0$51a810ac@Kate> References: <01d901c719d1$e705ba40$ac00a8c0@compaqub> <000801c71c69$2178b0d0$51a810ac@Kate> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:35:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] German 1830's-40's lower classes? From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=40% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f524ef96-cc7a-436e-be6a-e765f6292733 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457CFCEA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:38:40 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > Any body know where I can look for images of German (or surrounding areas) > lower to middle classes -- also military and mental wards? Doing a > production of "Woyzeck" by Beuchner (died 1836) and the director would > like > to use this time frame but we seem to find mostly upper class. Have you tried looking at the paintings of Bruegel? He painted some lovely peasant scenes. I think he is Dutch but it is in the surrounding area. Also, the woodcuts of Durer might have some ideas for you also (he was German). Good luck! Diana -- www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 02:19:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB7JboW002922 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 02:19:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB7JYZg022691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 02:19:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB7IuP8023763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:18:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB7ImD5012051; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB7IdK3011930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:18:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eva.andersson@comhem.se) Received: from c83-248-248-79.bredband.comhem.se ([83.248.248.79]:1745 helo=dator1) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GtfQs-0005gW-8w for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:18:39 +0100 From: "Eva Andersson" To: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:17:35 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c71cf4$75884010$4ff8f853@dator1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1GtfQs-0005gW-8w. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1GtfQs-0005gW-8w 2f5a2cb28b63e9213e1f2e7dca08361e X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=25% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] (fairly) new dissertation on medieval clothing in Scandinavia X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 756142ea-655a-4542-813f-5454b71fad5f X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457D0686.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 02:19:38 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kBB7JboW002922 Status: RO I have now done a reprint of my doctor's dissertation "Kläderna och människan i medeltidens Sverige och Norge" ("Clothing and the individual in medieval Sweden and Norway"). It's a survey of all clothing mentioned in wills and other types of documents from Norway and Sweden between 1200 and 1500. The clothes, and also fabric intended for clothes, are analysed in comparison with both preserved clothing and contemporary art. Social differences and the spread of fashion is adressed as well as how gender was expressed; and why it was expressed that way. The abstract can be read here: http://web.comhem.se/~u41200125/abstract.htm It's a rather large book, 376 pages , with c. 40 black and white pictures (not art book quality, but that's not needed for the purpose of the text) If you read a scandinavian language you may be interested in buying it. You can do that from Handelsgillet: http://www.handelsgillet.se/bocker.htm Since I don't have a publisher for an english version and I have no idea where to find one it is not likely there will be one. /Eva I Andersson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 02:31:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB7Vfuw007536 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 02:31:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB7VY01004499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 02:31:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB7VGmh026333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:31:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB7V8K2023357; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:31:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1b.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB7UvGS023195 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5810E38940 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:30:56 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:31:02 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 934d4172-b759-4860-bb3f-566335d8b4ba X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457D0956.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO This was posted on another list and pointing out something else when I saw the striped gown. I will keep a note for stripes when I see them. De -----Original Message----- If you find anything more, could you please post it here? Janet > Don't know if this was posted here. > German > http://pics.livejournal.com/jillwheezul/pic/0003sk8k > Far right, probably applied or strips stitched together. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 03:18:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB8Igbw021446 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:18:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBB8IYrU019843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:18:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBB8HoKo037276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:17:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB8HQBc066429; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:17:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBB8HDQu066198 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:17:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1GtgLN2USP-00044U; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:17:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c71cfc$bba77a40$6700a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c71c9f$520d0030$c36ea450@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about a book Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:17:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=30% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 48e04700-0299-4fe0-930a-e37910a4ef64 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457D145A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:18:42 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Our fashion dept. at the university use it as my class textbook for contemporized fashion history class. The newer versions are a lot better than the older ones. I purchased my newer version on eBay last month for $40. I used the older version 10 years ago when I was a student and it is good as an overview. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 07:31:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBCVs9D030779 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:31:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBCVkQg007498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:31:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBCUY0J095355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 05:30:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBCTx5i015235; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 05:30:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBCTlYH015033 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 05:29:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so1395308ugc for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:29:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=U6k+P7Ywzd+6Q3Kdjexp3JhM95ZMZXdCF+wy4Y8L3iyvZyfXq9RqTadnyvpqkRBQNO1ggIhdmNSJaesm3pgbwo6mvTuVgr5k4Jh2IS5mflM3Q9lDw97G+yFZcp67NfwMDCwq/oE83KRd8d4PiOynllOqOK7NZQ5gXlg/VtLMnNo= Received: by 10.82.118.2 with SMTP id q2mr317521buc.1165840184668; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:29:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.177.7 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:29:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070612110429x4db8930eo1b520609f74a3fc7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:29:44 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] not getting mail In-Reply-To: <002401c71ce7$6558f3e0$ecbfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3586f5070612090639j29580b7dy13c605ecbff26cac@mail.gmail.com> <002401c71ce7$6558f3e0$ecbfa6d8@pavilion> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfc2a3b3-d04d-416c-94f8-c1b1231373ea X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457D4FB2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:31:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thanks! I got a bunch last night too. Katy On 12/11/06, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I didn't get any all weekend, and then a whole bunch of them all this > evening (after 5 p.m.), starting back from Friday morning. Must have been > some sort of glitch, although I'd just figured it had been a quiet > weekend.... > --Sue > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katy Bishop" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 7:39 AM > Subject: [h-cost] not getting mail > > > > I am not getting any h-costume mail, got almost none yesterday (just > > one at 4AM), just testing to see if I get this. > > > > Katy > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > -- > > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 09:54:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBEsgQX001164 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:54:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBErwg5022931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:54:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBEoJIZ024831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:50:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBEnEMf061853; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:49:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBBE728S017094 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:07:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 20261 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2006 14:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.161.79 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2006 14:06:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UpljUmkVM1lZiJBna5CUZqq1KIWUaV8VkEXCj8L6nMAe9J8hv5HGpZs0tjAsI.w7VMZtVrR4fGz8..4U78c9cDfUZeDGbX1XnEH3vWasB9Lf3TGx4lImTIU- Message-ID: <00ac01c71d2d$95def820$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "H-Costume" Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:06:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a07d8f7-c864-4f9c-861b-a4fc46909c0f X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457D7106.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:54:42 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Two questions: Waugh suggests Swiss belts for some of the mid 19thC dresses. Any clue as to what these looked like? I am working out the problems of interpreting the Darnley Dress for my QEI 14" doll. At first, I thought I was looking at a sleeveless coat be set to give a cape effect. On closer examenation, I see that this is actually a hanging sleeve...born out by Waugh, Arnold, and Hunnisett. I have worked out the shape and cut but am having problems with the set. In order for the unity of the skirt , bodice and sleeve that bear the ornamentation, I can only achieve the look by inserting the hanging sleeve outside in. This means that the lining will actually be the outside fabric. Has anyone else attempted this dress "for real"? I have turned the backside of the shoulder area backwards so the gathers of the shoulder look like the painting...and will tack them downover the silk lining, but the lining is still exposed in all its plainess. I have been unable to find any explanation of how this was done. Or, might the error be at the end of the artist's brush? He chose to try to capture the total dazzle of the gown? Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 10:00:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBF09DV001288 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:00:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBExubT005184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:00:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBEuWV8025988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:56:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBEuFij069625; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:56:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pony.uvm.edu (pony.uvm.edu [132.198.101.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBEPOWl036135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:25:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.92.66] (ip092066.uvm.edu [132.198.92.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by pony.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.5) with ESMTP id kBBEPNcZ023189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:25:24 -0500 Message-ID: <457D6A53.8090402@uvm.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:25:23 -0500 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin References: <00cf01c71be0$076f7e00$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> In-Reply-To: <00cf01c71be0$076f7e00$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ceabdd1b-80f6-4814-8ce8-7e01c993b4ec X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457D726D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:00:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Helen Pinto wrote: > So... I will scan and send photos of anything that someone fancies, > and the whole thing can belong to the first person who asks for it. > (You have two weeks to ask for the pictures, then I'll mail it.) The > highlights: What a nice offer. I would love to see scans of anything from 1750-1850, especially 1800-1820. And if no one else claims it... - Hope -------------- hope.greenberg@uvm edu, Academic Computing, Uof Vermont _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 10:34:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBFYLrp002071 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:34:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBFYFwT026000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:34:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBFX3Cd032900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBFWwLD011344; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:32:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBFQVGI003549 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:27:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2006 15:17:47 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAJMHfUXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACNTwEBCQ4q Received: from 88-107-104-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.104.136]:1225 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GtmuZ-0005rn-2E for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:17:47 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061211151319.0349c5b0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:17:50 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves In-Reply-To: <00ac01c71d2d$95def820$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> References: <00ac01c71d2d$95def820$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e7758c0-3b61-4fd3-bb2a-92ee4e85f8bf X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457D7A77.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:34:21 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 14:06 11/12/2006, you wrote: >Two questions: >Waugh suggests Swiss belts for some of the mid 19thC dresses. Any >clue as to what these looked like? Could this be the same as I have heard called "Swiss Waists" in the U.S. That is a belt that is shaped to an upward and downward facing point at the centre front. >I am working out the problems of interpreting the Darnley Dress for >my QEI 14" doll. Do you mean the "Ditchley" dress? >At first, I thought I was looking at a sleeveless coat >be set to give a cape effect. On closer examenation, I see that >this is actually a hanging sleeve...born out by Waugh, Arnold, and >Hunnisett. I have worked out the shape and cut but am having >problems with the set. In order for the unity of the skirt , bodice >and sleeve that bear the ornamentation, I can only achieve the look >by inserting the hanging sleeve outside in. This means that the >lining will actually be the outside fabric. Hunnisett suggests that the armhole and the sleeves are both finished, (bound is easiest) and then the sleeves are whipped in by hand. That way you can put the hanging sleeve on first, and the dress sleeve inside it. I have done double sleeves like this and it works with no difficulty. >Has anyone else attempted this dress "for real"? I have turned the >backside of the shoulder area backwards so the gathers of the >shoulder look like the painting...and will tack them downover the >silk lining, but the lining is still exposed in all its plainess. I >have been unable to find any explanation of how this was done. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 10:42:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBFgBIS002241 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:42:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBFg02X000807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:42:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBFbqh4033875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:37:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBFbmVe017485; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:37:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBFbDPg016648 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:37:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.113]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061211153703.VQND10623.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:37:03 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.113]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061211153702.GVTT4808.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:37:02 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20061211093255.0281acb0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:36:35 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Subject: [h-cost] another delay: A-S Cloth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8dcfd77b-589d-43df-b5b1-e07c094e4d9f X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457D7C48.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 10:44:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBFiXP6002301 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:44:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBFiRQx003347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:44:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBFaUE2033599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:36:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBFaO7V015757; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr.tzo.com (omr.tzo.com [64.27.166.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBFZSWN014508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:36:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from [76.186.80.34] (helo=softwareinnovation.com) by omr.tzo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GtnBa-0007Fn-0O for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:35:22 -0500 Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:31:14 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 768 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:35:22 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <007001c71d39$f8cc2be0$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <006601c71ce9$c2c38660$0202a8c0@Duncan> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2757 Thread-Index: Accc6d6L7B2Rn9PcTKaez8sulObYXAAT/CLQ X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2006 15:31:14.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[64C28700:01C71D39] X-Antivirus-Scanner: ClamAV - No Detected Virus, though you should still use a Local Antivirus on your computer. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:44:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Also known to randomly rearrange the interior rooms in moments of crisis...(4/5th Doctors) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ailith Mackintosh Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:01 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 768 It's a Dr. Who reference - the "spaceship" that he travels through time with. It has a chameleon circuit which allows it to take on any form so that it doesn't get much notice where it lands, only it's broken and is stuck - as a UK Police Box (but I think that they're different now...used to be blue are now red??). It's about the old US phone booth sized outside and *huge* on the inside. tinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 10:47:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBFlY7a002375 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:47:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBFlUSP006129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:47:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBFcuIc034118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:38:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBFcpA5018865; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:38:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBBFcfkE018530 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:38:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail37.nyc.untd.com (webmail37.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.177]) by smtpout02.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCZ484VAEVPQAJ for (sender ); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:37:55 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7x7o2cIiz2X/fCVd/eC8bSVwIa5ZXNE+Ww== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail37.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L9BRNGKX; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:37:42 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail37.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:37:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:37:03 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20061211.073742.757.640606@webmail37.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:150024829 X-MAIL-INFO: 4321c47dc4301915301911391911c0d0f151fd342d9951d4759d2d6dd480f465d440ddb421d52189381145192139 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.177|webmail37.nyc.untd.com|webmail37.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cb336fb7-ef65-4530-84a9-51f8045d52df X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457D7D92.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:47:34 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kBBFlY7a002375 Status: RO I believe that Swiss belts in the mid-19th century were the ones that were wider in the front, often with a point at center front and frequently had a laced effect there mimicking the lacing on a bodice. Which portrait are you referring to for Queen E? The portrait I know as the Darnley Portrait is the one in gold and cream with the 'Polish' frog closures up the front of the doublet-bodice and no sign of hanging sleeves at all. Are you thinking of one of the Armada portraits? Karen Seamstrix -- "LLOYD MITCHELL" wrote: Two questions: Waugh suggests Swiss belts for some of the mid 19thC dresses. Any clue as to what these looked like? I am working out the problems of interpreting the Darnley Dress for my QEI 14" doll. At first, I thought I was looking at a sleeveless coat be set to give a cape effect. On closer examenation, I see that this is actually a hanging sleeve...born out by Waugh, Arnold, and Hunnisett. I have worked out the shape and cut but am having problems with the set. In order for the unity of the skirt , bodice and sleeve that bear the ornamentation, I can only achieve the look by inserting the hanging sleeve outside in. This means that the lining will actually be the outside fabric. Has anyone else attempted this dress "for real"? I have turned the backside of the shoulder area backwards so the gathers of the shoulder look like the painting...and will tack them downover the silk lining, but the lining is still exposed in all its plainess. I have been unable to find any explanation of how this was done. Or, might the error be at the end of the artist's brush? He chose to try to capture the total dazzle of the gown? Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 10:51:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBFpO8l002453 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:51:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBFpIIX008660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:51:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBFmMGp036372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:48:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBFko1S028269; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:47:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBFk7tY027132 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:46:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cf6.4505602 (41812) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:45:44 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:45:41 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 770 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc3ba903-b5a1-4fa0-aa91-47a1da8790f8 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457D7E76.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 11/12/2006 15:39:35 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Subject: Re: [h-cost] German 1830's-40's lower classes? > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > <1051.67.174.246.110.1165818945.squirrel@spamfilter.nationwide.net> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Any body know where I can look for images of German (or surrounding areas) > > lower to middle classes -- also military and mental wards? Doing a > > production of "Woyzeck" by Beuchner (died 1836) and the director would > > like > > to use this time frame but we seem to find mostly upper class. > > Have you tried looking at the paintings of Bruegel? He painted some > lovely peasant scenes. I think he is Dutch but it is in the surrounding > area. Also, the woodcuts of Durer might have some ideas for you also (he > was German). > > Good luck! > but breugal and durer are both much earlier _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 11:12:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBGBwvs002854 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:11:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBGBGPC031496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:11:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBG8TS3041082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:08:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBFv6Be040180; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:57:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (88.d2.1343.static.theplanet.com [67.19.210.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBFmPXj030024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GtnO4-0005vF-HL; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:48:16 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:48:16 -0500 Message-ID: <20061211104816.l8m9sjhm4pc8ocgs@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:48:16 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5995adc-f194-4dee-b06e-733893baee28 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457D8324.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(to go with my Pregnant Elizabethan's and my bi-colored Italian gowns ....) susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 11:26:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBGQhM0003143 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:26:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBGQA1l005786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:26:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBGOPRr044099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:24:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBGODgY074042; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:24:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBGNKH1072757 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006121116231101100pl4ane>; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:23:11 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: <50C0F26A-E6F6-4D7A-9C19-F7EEB8024CF6@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:23:13 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=1% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c0641c31-2e42-4073-9622-2bcda1e69141 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457D86A2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:26:43 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Depending on where and when, some of the guild and export regulations required specific fabrics to be unmixed; I'll dig out my Cambridge History of Western Textiles tonight and see if I can find some examples. Most of them were,if I'm remembering right, about not allowing worsted where woolen was expected, or not allowing wheel- spun fibers to be used in warp, only in weft, which today we would not even think of as mixing fibers. Lauren On Dec 10, 2006, at 10:46 PM, monica spence wrote: > I think there were laws about mixing fibers, that did not have to > do with > religion, as well. Can't think of where off the tp of my head, but > if I find > it I'll post it. > monica/ Catriona > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Adele de Maisieres > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 7:17 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt > > > monica spence wrote: > >> >> But wasn't there laws about mixing two fibers in a cloth? >> >> > > > Yes, if you're a very observant Jew. > > -- > Adele de Maisieres > > ----------------------------- > Habeo metrum - musicamque, > hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? > -Georgeus Gershwinus > ----------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 11:38:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBGcODI003420 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:38:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBGbeYj014893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:38:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBGXVUN045816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:33:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBGWGIx084254; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:32:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBGVF7o082934 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:32:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A3CB3E54 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:31:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <457D87ED.2010308@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:31:41 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin References: <00cf01c71be0$076f7e00$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> In-Reply-To: <00cf01c71be0$076f7e00$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba0a3be3-0f21-45c1-acf2-c92231c79753 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457D8955.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 11:45:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBGjA3x003566 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:45:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBGip4g024767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:45:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBGg5He047554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:42:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBGekUR094716; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:41:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBGcVfr091905 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:39:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.17423133; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:37:48 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id kBBGbmV05622.; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:37:48 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:37:47 +0000 Message-Id: <457D895202000014000C70C3@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:37:38 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200612111537.kBBFaX7m015914@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200612111537.kBBFaX7m015914@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tardis X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90e397e2-ad4f-4aa5-9889-9f57babf7762 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457D8B03.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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A few red ones still remain, most have been replaced with modern steel boxes, and of course mobile phones are making them become obsolete too... Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 11:59:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBGxGZf003884 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:59:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBGxCAK000740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:59:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBGuBEV050316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBGseM6011774; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:54:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBGrdXX010588 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:54:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 6A4B92E8074 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:52:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 477232E8158 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:52:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07493 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:53:28 -0600 (CST) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:53:29 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves Thread-Index: AccdOatiAE9lNzUzQU2iYFCOHIGplAAA0CMg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kBBGrdXX010588 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c58caf4c-47a1-42fe-ade4-fa814bda7c6d X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457D8E60.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:59:16 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Is this the closed bodice with a high neck for the Hunnisett book? Or is it the white Ditchley gown? I did a circa 1570's gown with hanging sleeves for a 22" doll I made about seven years ago. Allow extra seam allowances because you will be turning in those on the tops of the hanging sleeves and then joining them to your bodice/outer sleeves. I joined both lining and fabric on all the sides but the top of the hanging sleeves. I was sewing by hand so it was easy to avoid catching the trim on the main fabric to the lining. Turn right side out and press. Turn in the top seam allowances, but very carefully trim out any interlinings or trimmings closer to the seam allowance to eliminate bulk. Pin the turned in allowances and whipstitch closed. Then pin in place on bodice/outer sleeve. and tack or sew in place. You may want to pin in place both hanging sleeves to make sure the hang is correct on both sides before sewing. Adjust until the look is correct. If I remember correctly, I joined the hanging sleeve to the bodice upper armholes on my version based on the Darnley. I had to also figure out how to put in the shoulder wing, which in part had to be sewn in with the hanging sleeve to the bodice armhole. The inner gown sleeve was actually laced to the shoulder straps of the stays. The stomacher was whipstitched to the front of the stays and the same for the forepart to the petticoat/farthingale(combining both to one to avoid bulk and insure a smooth fit at the waist. The doll I made and dressed could take all the underpinnings because I left a bit of give in her stuffed body to allow for it. To this day, the stays have prevented gravity from shifting and dropping her torso stuffing And I stuff very firmly. Because this doll was in competition and would be undressed to check her workmanship,(I had to write down that the costuming was historically correct as to the doll lacking panties, bloomers, unmentionables to avoid shocking the judges!), I had to sew or lace together pieces that would have been pinned in place. The problem with doing research to dress a doll as historically correctly is that the more research you do, actually the harder your job becomes. Like trying to find the correct fabric in the correct colors, weight and scale for an Elizabethan doll. Buy or make? If you have a doll with a hard torso, can she take all the layers of chemise, stays, stomacher, and farthingale, petticoat and gown around the waist without looking fat? How to you draft patterns to avoid waist bulk but have enough gathering/pleating so the skirts hang correctly? Were upper class Elizabethan women all that corseted and flat-chested, or were they just painted that way? How do you thin and style a doll's rooted hair or wig to get the right look under various combinations of coifs, caps, hoods and hats? Do you fake an Elizabethan ruff if you want to do one, or go whole hog to attempt the "real" figure-eights ruff on a doll, including starching and shaping? And what was authentic then that is still pleasing to the eye today? Earlier this year, a traveling exhibition on Elizabeth I came to our city library and one of the programs was on Elizabethan costuming . A local professional costumer had made a full size version of the Ditchley ensemble about 10 years ago. Even with the fake gems, the cost was about $1,000.00. He said the most difficult part of the outfit was getting the hanging sleeves onto the huge outersleeves without the weight collapsing the inner sleeves, same as for Hunnisett. His theory was also that most of the parts on the original were pinned to each other, given the difficulty of sewing them together but for theater, TV, movie and teaching, it is too time-consuming and risky with all those pins(!)to put the Ditchley ensemble on the wearer without taking some shortcuts. Hope this helps and I would have loved to have had the Tudor Tailor in my possession years ago!! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 12:02:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBH22Cu003976 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:02:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBH1wE2024498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:02:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBH07wh051107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:00:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBH03uQ018222; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:00:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBGxRLM017660 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:59:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 4CDF42E8474 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:58:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id EEBDF2E8464 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:58:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12569 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:59:16 -0600 (CST) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Tardis X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:59:17 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: Tardis Thread-Index: AccdQzjJX53tZE4bRjiXzZKBjA0m9QAAdMUg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kBBGxRLM017660 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 101bdb5f-eb83-4252-adbc-3b6b97e22244 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457D8F06.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO -----Original Message----- Kind of sad the Police Boxes are disappearing, but they've worked that a bit into the new Doctor Who series where the Tardis stands out a lot more instead of being more anonymous. And the so-called historic costuming in episodes where it is called for, is just as much fun to pick apart as the original series. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 12:04:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBH4Ekd004019 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:04:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBH47mW005293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:04:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBH2Ilv051553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:02:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBH2B5L021001; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:02:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBH239Q020663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:02:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:28829 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GtoWz-0000FK-7h for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:01:33 -0600 Message-ID: <45ea01c71d46$0a594fd0$ac00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <50C0F26A-E6F6-4D7A-9C19-F7EEB8024CF6@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:01:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mixing fibers (was: Re: striped skirt) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ec72449-06a4-464f-89e1-6dca381a58c1 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457D8F87.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:04:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I couldn't quote you chapter and verse at the moment, but I've run across quite a few regulations/laws about mixing fibers & fiber content. From what I can remember, they all boiled down to either quality control, or truth in advertising, and a lot of them were pushed by whichever guild applied. The only source I can think of for examples at the moment is Mizzoui's cotton book, which I don't have, or possibly textiler hausrat, which ditto. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 12:14:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBHE8n2004177 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:14:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBHE3uD015328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:14:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBHAvEP053310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:10:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBH9pBB030601; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:10:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBH9hIB030317 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:09:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JA4004A2CZUKF10@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:09:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:09:30 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt In-reply-to: <50C0F26A-E6F6-4D7A-9C19-F7EEB8024CF6@comcast.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2855bd6-f08b-4d32-8004-cc508c9b439e X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457D91DB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:14:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Yup. Thanks for the post. That is the kind of thing I was remembering. Worsted vs woolen-- pretty funny, since both are wool. Worsted is just a fine spun wool. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Lauren Walker Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:23 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Depending on where and when, some of the guild and export regulations required specific fabrics to be unmixed; I'll dig out my Cambridge History of Western Textiles tonight and see if I can find some examples. Most of them were,if I'm remembering right, about not allowing worsted where woolen was expected, or not allowing wheel- spun fibers to be used in warp, only in weft, which today we would not even think of as mixing fibers. Lauren On Dec 10, 2006, at 10:46 PM, monica spence wrote: > I think there were laws about mixing fibers, that did not have to > do with > religion, as well. Can't think of where off the tp of my head, but > if I find > it I'll post it. > monica/ Catriona > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Adele de Maisieres > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 7:17 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt > > > monica spence wrote: > >> >> But wasn't there laws about mixing two fibers in a cloth? >> >> > > > Yes, if you're a very observant Jew. > > -- > Adele de Maisieres > > ----------------------------- > Habeo metrum - musicamque, > hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? > -Georgeus Gershwinus > ----------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 12:20:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBHKGSM004279 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:20:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBHK7sA018372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:20:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBHHaoQ054739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:17:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBHGmUa039374; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:16:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBBHFi88037883 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:16:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 14905 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2006 17:15:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=x514bQcedu1sgIytag16i269wpJyPL74vC+k+cp9ItquuLMYyZQd4h2OhOV2BL9782O4E0guM0Fy+qRXRHAzDjauEVadGQb08rxdMeUkY7f0+TZAVq/RHDZSzOlMQsSpX/S8OCfhw6gWeZyg5aZqNT5YxjDmYRbO0ENfwI5+X1Q=; X-YMail-OSG: AYjV2c0VM1kYbClFM2baffQz1QrP69adIBu2gTxbvwHPm0QH2JWv1v0xkjVyqB_Tk0s45XuLY8Bsjr64fXiHMGdUYwisY7eOIwMT40IqdMhHyd15wMTAp76jgds83gi89GGuRmq2yl3XK_g- Received: from [131.165.176.150] by web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:15:34 PST Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:15:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <45ea01c71d46$0a594fd0$ac00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <721870.14880.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fibers for paper X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 148496b0-b40a-4fee-bca7-9ee1e3aeb40a X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457D9347.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:20:16 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Those laws might also have somthing to do with paper production. Seem to remember a law, somewhere, probably england or denmark, where people were forbidden to be buried in linen and cotton. Wool cannot be used for paper and it would be a waste to put linen in with wool when the time came to reuse the fibers. As you get closer to the industrial revolution, the more the need for sources for paper increase, which is only made good by the invention of the woodpulp paper (I do bookbinding as a hobby too), which is by many still counted as inferior to ragpaper Tania (Denmark) E House wrote: I couldn't quote you chapter and verse at the moment, but I've run across quite a few regulations/laws about mixing fibers & fiber content. From what I can remember, they all boiled down to either quality control, or truth in advertising, and a lot of them were pushed by whichever guild applied. The only source I can think of for examples at the moment is Mizzoui's cotton book, which I don't have, or possibly textiler hausrat, which ditto. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! 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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:29:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e66b6525-8f7d-41bf-a507-e2064669163a X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457D9641.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:32:53 -0500 (EST) Status: RO He's about 250 years early for what I'm looking for Kate 609-570-3584 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Diana Habra Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:36 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] German 1830's-40's lower classes? > Any body know where I can look for images of German (or surrounding areas) > lower to middle classes -- also military and mental wards? Doing a > production of "Woyzeck" by Beuchner (died 1836) and the director would > like > to use this time frame but we seem to find mostly upper class. Have you tried looking at the paintings of Bruegel? He painted some lovely peasant scenes. I think he is Dutch but it is in the surrounding area. Also, the woodcuts of Durer might have some ideas for you also (he was German). Good luck! Diana -- www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 12:45:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBHj1D9004733 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:45:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBHiu8T005546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:45:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBHedkT060019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:40:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBHeW12070153; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:40:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBHdWBK068853 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:39:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1024337pyb for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:39:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Z5Pb+Il2nO/2a36gCIO0z3ZEzyFCSmRZIe8puTJRFqnX9i3kyOCvyuh1IcqouNnLtAYxeA1YFPXFcI7sn9BBuSpPQJ6sB3i79JcgK4qJ1+bh1lRbO+X756nisd71RLfrsLXw5xMifHAPRruE98En9JJUqOs6PY8DCcgXmQ2yO/A= Received: by 10.35.89.10 with SMTP id r10mr6334428pyl.1165858762512; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:39:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.51.11 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:39:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590612110939k22849d94mc593cd289d3e33a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:39:22 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 770 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8713c07f-d876-482d-b9bb-767ca19c3a3c X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457D9918.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:45:01 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I don't know, in my house it was my 8-year old granddaughter arguing with my 27 year old son whether it was red or blue... alex On 12/11/06, Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/12/2006 15:39:35 GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > > > Tardis? > > --Sue > > the police box from dr who (time and relative dimension in space - does > knowing that make me a dweeb??) > > as in seems to be much bigger inside than it looks from the outside - must > be > cos can never find anything...:o) > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 12:47:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBHltHi004803 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:47:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBHlL1U020176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:47:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBHec2V060018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:40:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBHdYs9069095; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:39:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23402.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23402.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBBHd6mn068460 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:39:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marquesate@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 9999 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2006 17:38:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4wNlf45WdXFsFqci7cIFuJbajynl6Ixo0RlmLbmOwiWt2LGyf/kVrposFAIK4DRd83LCm5j85ud8/X0zSwrzTjElXT5YkKEwwOJhf6/iAJ1VP9oOTyk7/cc9RL7sMdCL5/FAqTWJtkOO9GZdfx/ot68e4PbnoPDqm8AbdQz1l2Q= ; Message-ID: <20061211173851.9997.qmail@web23402.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [137.195.176.11] by web23402.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:38:51 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:38:51 +0000 (GMT) From: N Kipar Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tardis To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kBBHd6mn068460 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b964eaea-017f-43f6-9360-8c5207721383 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457D99A9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO If you miss the good old blue tardis, come to Edinburgh, there are oodles of them still around here. :-) Not in use, of course, except for those which serve coffee and soup. Nicole ----- Original Message ---- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: Historical Costume Sent: Monday, 11 December, 2006 4:59:17 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Tardis -----Original Message----- Kind of sad the Police Boxes are disappearing, but they've worked that a bit into the new Doctor Who series where the Tardis stands out a lot more instead of being more anonymous. And the so-called historic costuming in episodes where it is called for, is just as much fun to pick apart as the original series. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 12:55:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBHtUP3004971 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:55:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBHsxc9025445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:55:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBHqnkX062585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:52:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBHq3X0084880; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:52:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.53]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBBHpVOa084016 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:51:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 56225 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2006 17:51:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sk+XM4zClrcU81TgO3cgd1JNxZoD3alf23DgRNWM+ztB28L5+LcmwtOv56fCDqkyIkL8HCMExdm1qxqsMBISNXgRf/HOw+xF06U39nlStUlR5nWVqQJYOLV6R2/n9GO7EzINupGE+fIXM0lLFUzVNSR4YHLO/9IJ0oc8ovO7n0o=; X-YMail-OSG: 35GIBm8VM1kbzon_kzLYC4DgKqaNA7VMWwz4Ox98IhA2_X0Ov3d13x3tXr8H50V5L3c7ydsMppSaVS7HHKw1nitWZ4YSVXXMgmf6oCLUxrIF1_d0oiA_KWdotLqfgD4UowGAQfXgNzM- Received: from [82.112.141.35] by web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:51:13 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:51:13 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 768 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <902821.55430.qm@web23113.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a97d3c1-58aa-45a2-b732-fd304ebf3432 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457D9B73.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I much prefer the idea of the "fold box", from "Glory Road". Julian, in "old" Jersey. Wanda Pease wrote: Dr. Who?.. or Fold Box from Glory Road Issue 768 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 12:58:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBHwlvu005037 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:58:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBHwfqm018598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:58:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBHlhKG061514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:47:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBHlQaI078937; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:47:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBBHkUHK077599 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:47:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 40818 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2006 17:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.148.59 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2006 17:46:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: B3WKhPoVM1lBwMzn1ZHOhl3Cj97eIK0Qv2cgGg77R_mO.x.e8Z5MGmF9BNgE42Yfhx_b4tVn9aLyyQk6Xov4.nc_svNptZKNHe8Vh.pydXpqSxvsMoCL3lE- Message-ID: <006e01c71d4c$3f964080$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061211.073742.757.640606@webmail37.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:46:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 204e681a-b2e6-4012-818a-7a62f052dc4a X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457D9C51.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:58:47 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Ahah on the Swiss belt. I have severalbut did not know they had a name. And alas, I do mean the Ditchley" And thankyou Cindy for the notes on construction...even for a doll! I am still floundering about the "inside out/outside in." As illustrated in Arnold and elsewhere, I understand the the longer sleeves are an actual 'tube' in part. How does it hang for this gown so that it (1) contains the inner true sleeve and(2) also reveal the elaborate matching quality of the gown. According to the painting, this sleeve is as long as the skirt. I made the lining just as Cindy suggests but cannot get the right effect when the inner sleeve is inserted and there slis my problem. Another small query, what is the visible red one can see throught the space beneath the left arm? This was originally why I thought I was seeing this "Cape". Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves I believe that Swiss belts in the mid-19th century were the ones that were wider in the front, often with a point at center front and frequently had a laced effect there mimicking the lacing on a bodice. Which portrait are you referring to for Queen E? The portrait I know as the Darnley Portrait is the one in gold and cream with the 'Polish' frog closures up the front of the doublet-bodice and no sign of hanging sleeves at all. Are you thinking of one of the Armada portraits? Karen Seamstrix -- "LLOYD MITCHELL" wrote: Two questions: Waugh suggests Swiss belts for some of the mid 19thC dresses. Any clue as to what these looked like? I am working out the problems of interpreting the Darnley Dress for my QEI 14" doll. At first, I thought I was looking at a sleeveless coat be set to give a cape effect. On closer examenation, I see that this is actually a hanging sleeve...born out by Waugh, Arnold, and Hunnisett. I have worked out the shape and cut but am having problems with the set. In order for the unity of the skirt , bodice and sleeve that bear the ornamentation, I can only achieve the look by inserting the hanging sleeve outside in. This means that the lining will actually be the outside fabric. Has anyone else attempted this dress "for real"? I have turned the backside of the shoulder area backwards so the gathers of the shoulder look like the painting...and will tack them downover the silk lining, but the lining is still exposed in all its plainess. I have been unable to find any explanation of how this was done. Or, might the error be at the end of the artist's brush? He chose to try to capture the total dazzle of the gown? Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 13:10:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBIAnmx005306 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:10:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBIAjMT003092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:10:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBI4Tq2065018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:04:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBI2MaI097677; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:02:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBI1Fbt096207 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:02:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.158] (pm5-158.eos.net [205.133.149.158]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id kBBI1AWr023371 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:01:11 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:44:02 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200612111717.kBBHGnfA039392@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=83% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: fiber in paper X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 670e8682-2c67-42eb-9cf7-818b9bb5db09 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457D9F25.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Tania wrote: > As you get closer to the industrial revolution, the more the need for sources > for paper increase, which is only made good by the invention of the woodpulp > paper (I do bookbinding as a hobby too), which is by many still counted as > inferior to ragpaper > My husband and I own a printing company. Paper with fabric content is still superior to paper that's all wood pulp, or at least it's more expensive. Most paper is all wood pulp, or at least most paper that is produced in any quantity. 25% cotton paper is the most typical paper made in bulk for business use. There are all kinds of fun papers available in small quantities. A few years ago, a great little company made paper out of old blue jeans. Don't know if it's still around anymore... I remember the television program "Connections" from my youth saying that after the Black Plague paper production soared because of the huge quantities of linen available from dead people. I don't know if that's really true. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 13:15:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBIFfYV005402 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:15:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBIFCMH029838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:15:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBI7uME065645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBI7p04004921; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:07:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBI6Shx002856 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:07:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2006 17:57:59 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAABItfUXUSnIwnmdsb2JhbACNTwEBAgcOKg Received: from 88-107-104-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.104.136]:1530 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GtpNf-0002hD-Hp for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:55:59 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061211175511.034a4408@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:57:59 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves In-Reply-To: <006e01c71d4c$3f964080$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> References: <20061211.073742.757.640606@webmail37.nyc.untd.com> <006e01c71d4c$3f964080$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0931c27-6042-4d00-94db-13f5e8a53c58 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457DA031.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:15:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 17:46 11/12/2006, you wrote: >Ahah on the Swiss belt. I have severalbut did not know they had a name. > > > >And alas, I do mean the Ditchley" >And thankyou Cindy for the notes on construction...even for a doll! >I am still floundering about the "inside out/outside in." > > >As illustrated in Arnold and elsewhere, I understand the the longer >sleeves are an actual 'tube' in part. How does it hang for this >gown so that it (1) contains the inner true sleeve and(2) also >reveal the elaborate matching quality of the gown. According to the >painting, this sleeve is as long as the skirt. I made the lining >just as Cindy suggests but cannot get the right effect when the >inner sleeve is inserted and there slis my problem. > >Another small query, what is the visible red one can see throught >the space beneath the left arm? This was originally why I thought I >was seeing this "Cape". According to Hunnisett that is a second skirt, just showing at the back. I think there may be one or two, in Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe, but am away from it right now, so cannot confirm. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 13:29:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBITkGv005718 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:29:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBITcE0015540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:29:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBIPcjj069294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:25:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBIPSkk027819; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:25:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBIPJNb027507 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:25:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter89.comcast.net ([204.127.197.189]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20061211182513m1100mkvc2e>; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:25:13 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter89.comcast.net; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:25:12 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume , Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:25:12 +0000 Message-Id: <121120061825.28427.457DA2880006219A00006F0B22092246270809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: beda3fd5-67af-4015-9c3c-c0a4a5c6ea0c X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457DA392.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Yes, there were laws, but IIRC, the purpose was to keep unscrupulous weavers and merchants from selling cloth at a higher cost just because they could say it was "woven with "blank". They'd just leave out the 'percentage' that "blank". Just like the other guilds, they kept a close watch on their members, for fraud. I think that there might some examples of guild members being publicly punished, such as bakers, and other such folks. Queen Elizabeth, at the urging of different guilds, to do some proclamations, but nothing specific comes to mind. Drat! I seem to remember reading somewhere that one of the Italian city-state guilds had even instigated the use of color coding the selvedges, to keep track. I'm away from my books, so don't can't verify right now. And my memory may be playing me false! Anyone who can help with those vague memories or let me know that my memory might be out of kilter, please post! Well, back to work... Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: monica spence > I've read "The Devil's Cloth" and I agree that there are some interesting-- > and sometimes far fetched -- ideas presented there. I remember seeing a > painting right after I read the book. It was John the Baptist baptizing > Jesus. Jesus is wearing a striped undergarment. Somehow I doubt that He > would not be wearing something that was questionable-- even if it is a > painting. > > Just as a side note. I made the Beatrice dress. IMO the stripes have to be > spliced in or applied. I remember the stripes doing domething funky around > the shoulders. Remember too, that this is a postumous picture of her-- she > died in childbed (the baby she lost is kneeling next to her in the > picture)-- so she wouldn't be posing in the dress, anyway. > > As for stripes themselves-- everything woven would have to be yarn dyed, > unless there are two different fibers used. Then two chemically different > dyes, formulated to work with one of the fibers, could be dumped into the > same pot. This is a modern dye method and I am not sure how far back it > goes. > > But wasn't there laws about mixing two fibers in a cloth? > > Monica > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Cat Dancer > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:08 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt > > > On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 tearoses@aol.com wrote: > > > Ooo, a whole book about it! Thanks! > > I don't remember where I found my copy. It's a fascinating book even if > some of his theories are off-the-wall. :-) The one thing it did do was to > get us to look critically at portrayals and look for themes and such. > > > > > Pixel, is there any way of knowing if the sumptuary laws meant woven-in > stripes, applied stripes or pieced stripes? > > > > That painting with Mary Magdalen looked like they might be applied. > > The Castilian law specifies types of cloth (which I will have to look up > when I get home) but the London law just says 'rayed cloth'. [I highly > recommend /Governance of the consuming passions : a history of sumptuary > law/ by Alan Hunt, if you want to dig deeper.] The rayed cloth of the > London law is probably woven-in stripes, stripes being what you, the > weaver, do if you have leftover yarns but not enough of any one color to > do anything useful with. I want to say that cloth woven of dyed wool is > going to be cheaper than cloth that is woven and then dyed, but I don't > have enough knowledge of the medieval textile industry to be saying that. > [Here is where someone who does, steps in and corrects me. ;-)] Certainly > the comments in the inventories and accounts are specific that rayed cloth > is for the members of the household fairly far down on the social > scale--the valets and such. > > What we've found, in going over some amazingly huge number of > illuminations, frescos, panel paintings, book illustrations, etc., is that > when someone is portrayed in stripes and/or parti-colour, that person is > somehow a social inferior to at least one of the other people in the > artwork. So we see stripes (and sometimes plaids) on musicians and on the > people that my consort refers to as "minions"--the various servants, > lackeys, etc. that tend to hang around important people in the art. > > Except in the Manesse Codex, where I suspect that stripes indicate someone > who is a fop or otherwise on the edge of fashion. Note that that's only a > hypothesis--it hasn't made it to theory yet. ;-) > > > > > Thanks to everyone who responded! I love this kind of conversation with > you guys! > > > > Tea Rose > > Anything to geek about stuff that isn't work! > > Pixel > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 13:35:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBIZhir005849 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:35:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBIZXq1013416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:35:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBIVbHk070796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:31:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBIVXpX035664; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:31:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBIUrLS034682 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:31:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061211145612.OEGX12469.fep34.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:56:12 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.132]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061211145612.VYWM26664.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:56:12 +0100 Message-ID: <005701c71d34$86079fe0$8443a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00cf01c71be0$076f7e00$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:56:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.67.132] at Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:56:07 +0100 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 51aab962-cf5b-4939-bc8d-0b063863c3ae X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457DA4F6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:35:43 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Oh please think of me with the 1695 gown and all the 18th century things? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin > In the process of (finally) unpacking my books, I've been finding things > that could use a home other than mine. I have a Metropolitan Museum of > Art Bulletin from back in the days when they sent members these glossy > books every quarter. It's from the costume collection and contains large, > high-quality pictures of garments from 1695 through the early 1950's, > including microphotographs of some of the embroidered detail of the > garments. It's nice to look at, but way past anything I'm really > interested in. > So... I will scan and send photos of anything that someone fancies, and > the whole thing can belong to the first person who asks for it. (You have > two weeks to ask for the pictures, then I'll mail it.) The highlights: > > - Complete embroidered woman's dress from 1695 > - Four men's 18th c embroidered coats, one uncut, one with original > embroidery cartoon, one with pants and vest > - Men's banyans > - Assorted women's 18c dresses, one with panniers, most sack-backed, all > embroidered or hand-painted, 1740's - 1795 > - Assorted women's 19c outfits, day dresses, evening wear, several from > each decade > - Assorted women's 20c outfits, evening wear, suits, etc, up to the 50's > > -Helen/Aidan > > > - > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 13:43:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBIhVve006048 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:43:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBIhLBv019999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:43:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBId3Vv072595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:39:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBIcfJP045247; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBIcNPe044760 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:38:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.79]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061211183754.BPPD4563.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:37:54 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.79]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061211183753.HOXD7955.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:37:53 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20061211115747.0285d110@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:36:03 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200612111717.kBBHGnfA039392@net.indra.com> References: <200612111717.kBBHGnfA039392@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wool/worsted was Re: striped skirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f37a951-ab90-45ff-adb6-ed9521466b34 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457DA6CE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:43:31 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Not quite. It has to do with the fiber length and the way the fiber is prepared for spinning. Worsted was combed long staple and woolen was carded short staple that is spun to make thread. Because combing lays fibers along the length of the thread, it makes a stronger thread, but woolen can be fulled and a nap raised and sheared. The progression in history was combed (worsted...wasn't called that until much later), half worsted (combed warp, carded weft), then woolen. Like most generalities, this is over-simplified (Romans also had napped and sheared wool textiles). Early wheel spun thread was deemed too weak to take the stresses as warp, causing an inferior cloth. There were quite sensible reasons for the guild regulations: it has to do with reputation, market and getting premium prices. Since textile towns (and their guilds) lived or died.. quite literally.. based on the sales of their products, they were not inclined to take too many unnecessary risks. Beth At 11:17 AM 12/11/2006, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:09:30 -0500 >From: monica spence > >Worsted vs woolen-- pretty funny, since both are wool. Worsted is just a >fine spun wool. >Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 14:22:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBJMqB1007409 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:22:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBJMmd0020161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:22:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBHO9YR055894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBHNrtA047960; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBHN7Hq046846 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so1478487ugc for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:22:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CRC5reTgtwij3pFx1rN3j7AGicBqEDzGQc/0kc1hYyMGpyNjq60WWp0SlOI/IM9rzdQiQp0LtlFdnhtZnKIUnsD1OwAMpzItolqF3ZL8lBowEyLRuiq1vTywAsLBJajsvDzJhSmmZlCwTfYfl+doG6Pr9KzF2KNlrfO6mbDP4SQ= Received: by 10.82.139.17 with SMTP id m17mr627808bud.1165857778516; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.189.18 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:22:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660612110922t238b4ef3o100f05a76e0bae12@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:22:58 -0500 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mixing fibers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457DB008.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Aha... looks like the topic has headed in a direction that I am very interested and currently looking into. What I'm trying to find is evidence of when wool and silk might first have been spun together to form a thread or yarn. Not that I'm making copious headway at the moment, but it's one of those questions currently being pursued. Any have an answer? Thanks, Mari / Bridgette On 12/11/06, E House wrote: > I couldn't quote you chapter and verse at the moment, but I've run across > quite a few regulations/laws about mixing fibers & fiber content. From what > I can remember, they all boiled down to either quality control, or truth in > advertising, and a lot of them were pushed by whichever guild applied. The > only source I can think of for examples at the moment is Mizzoui's cotton > book, which I don't have, or possibly textiler hausrat, which ditto. > > -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 14:24:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBJOMBw007462 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:24:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBJOITj022341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:24:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBJMdH8081387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:22:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBJMW0b099845; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:22:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBJMPe8099652 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061211192215.OOQS7960.fep33.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:22:15 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.209]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061211192215.WFUG26664.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:22:15 +0100 Message-ID: <004801c71d59$b4126df0$d114a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:22:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.20.209] at Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:22:11 +0100 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] question about a book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457DB062.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Many thanks for your help Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 14:33:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBJX8Mn007785 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:33:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBJX4sa001487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:33:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBJU9Qe082706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:30:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBJU7rS008897; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:30:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBJTwM4008613 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:30:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.79]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061211192952.LSQN10623.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:29:52 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.79]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061211192951.ROCF14472.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20061211130642.0285d1e0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:29:46 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200612111838.kBBIchmH045285@net.indra.com> References: <200612111838.kBBIchmH045285@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] textiles was Re: striped skirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457DB270.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:33:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Many cities, not just the Italian ones used color coded selvages.. and there were cases of other cities counterfeiting them. I believe I read about these in various economic history books studying the wool trade, probably Carus-Wilson or Bridbury. Lead cloth seals were also used to mark the origin of the textiles. Lead cloth seals were used up to modern times. I got a bolt of cotton the other year with one on it! I know of no cases of mixing fibers in the thread in Medieval (or earlier) Europe (with the possible exception of dog/wool blends in the Greenland finds). Many cases of mixing threads in a cloth however (some quite famous): silk warp/cotton weft (mulham), linen warp/cotton weft (fustian), linen/woolen (linsey-woolsey) and silk/woolen come to mind. Beth At 12:38 PM 12/11/2006, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:25:12 +0000 >From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt > >Yes, there were laws, but IIRC, the purpose was to keep unscrupulous >weavers and merchants from selling cloth at a higher cost just because >they could say it was "woven with "blank". They'd just leave out the >'percentage' that "blank". Just like the other guilds, they kept a close >watch on their members, for fraud. I think that there might some examples >of guild members being publicly punished, such as bakers, and other such >folks. > >Queen Elizabeth, at the urging of different guilds, to do some >proclamations, but nothing specific comes to mind. Drat! > >I seem to remember reading somewhere that one of the Italian city-state >guilds had even instigated the use of color coding the selvedges, to keep >track. > >I'm away from my books, so don't can't verify right now. And my memory >may be playing me false! Anyone who can help with those vague memories or >let me know that my memory might be out of kilter, please post! > >Well, back to work... >Elena/Gia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 14:53:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBJrlXK008349 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:53:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBJrfC8016678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:53:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBJotwf087344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:50:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBJoo2T054470; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:50:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBJokiL054260 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:50:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JA400EK6KGGRL20@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:50:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.204] (Forwarded-For: 209.212.25.86, [10.240.3.204]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:50:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:50:40 +0000 (GMT) From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 770 In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457DB745.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:53:47 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I always loved the idea, it helped out the Set Production people. All you had to do is make sure that the 'outside' door was always on the same wall,, and VIOLA!! instant set changes without trying to figure out where to put the new room/ hallways/ pool/ art gallery/ wardrobe room.... without giving the floor plan people fits... Katheryne who still has her Dr. Who Fan Club of America t-shirt, and 36 VCR tapes of Dr Who Obligatory Historic Cotume note: I'm right now in the process of making a linen lined wool 12th Century Tunic.. Although being slightly alergic to wool is proving to be interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com > > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > > Tardis? > > --Sue > > the police box from dr who (time and relative dimension in space > - does knowing that make me a dweeb??) > > as in seems to be much bigger inside than it looks from the > outside - must be cos can never find anything...:o) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 15:01:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBK1aa9008608 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:01:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBK1AIs022218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:01:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBJsHM6088187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBJsEvD059048; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:54:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBJsAvN058871 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:54:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JA400EMNKLU5E30@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.204] (Forwarded-For: 209.212.25.86, [10.240.3.204]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:53:54 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:53:54 +0000 (GMT) From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 770 In-reply-to: <870801590612110939k22849d94mc593cd289d3e33a9@mail.gmail.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <870801590612110939k22849d94mc593cd289d3e33a9@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457DB906.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:01:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO The original one was BLUE - because at the time the production people got it out of a Junk Yard. At the time it was created all of the Police Boxes were being slowly phased out and red Phone Booths were being phased in. So NOW they are red, the original Tardis was blue and was blue through 5 Doctors. Katheryne Dr Who dweeb ----- Original Message ----- From: Alexandria Doyle > I don't know, in my house it was my 8-year old granddaughter > arguing with my 27 year old son whether it was red or blue... > > alex > > Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote:> > > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > > >Tardis? > > > --Sue > > > > the police box from dr who (time and relative dimension in > space - does knowing that make me a dweeb??) > > > > as in seems to be much bigger inside than it looks from the > outside - must be cos can never find anything...:o) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 16:02:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBL29KU010577 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:02:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBL25WV023546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:02:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBI7FUS065503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:07:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBI6Wq2003148; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:06:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBI5rFi002184 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:06:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.158] (pm5-158.eos.net [205.133.149.158]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id kBBI5iWr024117 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:05:44 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:48:36 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200612111717.kBBHGnfA039392@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=78% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: blue jean paper X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457DC74E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:02:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I checked it out, you can still buy it. But here's what I mean by expensive. This site: http://www.thepapermillstore.com/catalog/Blue-Jean-Bond-28-lb-Bond-paper-Rea m-p-9285.html sells the paper. I don't know what mill makes it, and the price given here is certainly not what I would pay wholeslae. But it's almost $42 for 500 sheets! Considering that you can buy office copy paper for about $4 for 500 sheets, that's an expensive ream of paper. Might be nice for all the sewers and costumers, though... Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 16:07:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBL7pHN010788 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:07:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBL7l2m011229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:07:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBL4CnF003728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:04:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBL444J046386; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:04:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBL3rlr046075 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:03:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.210] (sjs-130-65-37-210.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.210]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBL3kYa020009 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:03:46 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: tardis Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:03:44 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457DC8A3.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: >> Police telephone boxes no longer exist at all; they became obsolete >> when the police got personal radios. > > there's still a police box somewhere in wakefield (forget where > exactly) in > yorkshire - but it's brick built (looks a bit like a small signal > box). There's also one in London outside King's Cross Station. -- andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen - http://www.bovil.com/ Play Internet Argument-Losing Bingo! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 16:33:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBLXqPW011922 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:33:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBLXioV027688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:33:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBLWiRX009312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:32:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBLWecB080280; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:32:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBLWQMj079939 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:32:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c35.a60f51b (58435) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:31:55 -0500 (EST) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:31:53 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5032 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=4% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Costume coup happy dance! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a90c76a9-f7b4-490e-8b74-6e75a6c77bdd X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457DCEB8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:33:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Dear h-costumers, As I went about my Christmas shopping with my lists from my college age children who all want cds and dvds for gifts now, I was at Borders Bookstore and (having printed a few cupons from the internet from their site) I was ablel to get 25% savings on a book and a cd. Browsing about the boxed dvd sets my eyes happend upon "Elizabeth R" with Glenda Jackson -- the very one I have been longing for for ages!! I saw it years ago when it first came out, but with the price of either vhs or dvd, I couldn't afford my dream.I have been doing Reniassance faires for 15 years now and this was the gold standard for costuming. I especially liked the headgear. However, , this time I had a cupon for 40% off a boxed dvd set @ $70.00!! Yes, indeed, I bought it and told my husband "Thank you for my Christmas present!" I just had to spill it to folks I know would understand. Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Hats for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 16:54:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBLsfWo012464 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:54:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBLsbcW010369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:54:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBLrZsL013239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:53:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBLrRSF004369; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:53:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBLrHQu004134 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:53:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E89C681C0 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:53:11 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-96.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-96.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.96]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:53:11 +1100 Message-ID: <1165873991.457dd3477a297@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:53:11 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tardis References: <200612111537.kBBFaX7m015914@net.indra.com> <457D895202000014000C70C3@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <457D895202000014000C70C3@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5520e9c4-b308-49bd-a2c3-df8c62dc3058 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457DD39E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi, I am so happy. Finally I made my 1860 dress so that I really like it. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Victorian/Victorian.html I wore it at the Anton Pieck Parade in Haarlem (the Netherlands). We had so much fun. There are some more pictures here (click on galerij in the menu on the left) http://www.de_zwarte_zwaan.dds.nl/index2.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 18:08:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBN8Ikf015261 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:08:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBN8FNW027105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:08:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBN7Kbl028735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:07:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBN7FmC091212; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:07:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBBN6rIw090864 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:07:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 28302 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2006 15:06:52 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 28191, pid: 28261, t: 13.1950s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:41/d:2269 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 11 Dec 2006 15:06:39 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061211150416.0253aa48@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:06:19 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1860 dress In-Reply-To: <457DDCCF.2040709@kabelfoon.nl> References: <457DDCCF.2040709@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b58c7e5b-1f61-4905-b48b-7354648c6eb9 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457DE4DF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:08:19 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 02:33 PM 12/11/2006, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am so happy. >Finally I made my 1860 dress so that I really like it. >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Victorian/Victorian.html > >I wore it at the Anton Pieck Parade in Haarlem (the Netherlands). >We had so much fun. >There are some more pictures here (click on galerij in the menu on the left) >http://www.de_zwarte_zwaan.dds.nl/index2.html > >Greetings, > Deredere Very nice job on your dress, Deredere! The gentlemen looked good, too. ;-) Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 18:53:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBNrefW016254 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:53:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBBNrZTo003279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:53:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBBNqUo4039781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:52:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBNqRIU041784; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:52:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta16.adelphia.net (mta16.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.211]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBBMqKFH074045 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:52:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@adelphia.net) Received: from VAIO ([76.179.128.239]) by mta16.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20061211223601.FNEQ9721.mta16.adelphia.net@VAIO> for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:36:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c71d76$fa657cd0$020fa8c0@VAIO> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <457DDCCF.2040709@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1860 dress Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:52:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 930a2791-aaee-4bd5-b7dd-41561449be95 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457DEF80.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO It looks beautiful! Thank you for sharing! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net Creating a Circa 1798 - 1805 Empire Gown http://marjoriegilbert.net/album_30_028.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 5:33 PM Subject: [h-cost] 1860 dress > Hi, > > I am so happy. > Finally I made my 1860 dress so that I really like it. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Victorian/Victorian.html > > I wore it at the Anton Pieck Parade in Haarlem (the Netherlands). > We had so much fun. > There are some more pictures here (click on galerij in the menu on the > left) > http://www.de_zwarte_zwaan.dds.nl/index2.html > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 19:18:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC0IY4X016930 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:18:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC0ISr7011279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:18:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC0HPj3044880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:17:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC0HIvv068122; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:17:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC0H9m4067958 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:17:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.243.82] (acty2082.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.82]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C5A5DDAC for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:17:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <457DF4FE.7040601@dandy.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:17:02 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cockades-French vs Scottish? Instructions? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d61efc43-c053-416b-be67-5269827d17bd X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457DF554.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:18:34 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi. The unit website that you referenced is an old one (the unit, not the website) of mine, so I might perhaps chime in (as might Kathy and Dave if they so choose..) The Toorie is the tassel on the top of the bonnet, having nothing to do with the cockade. The history of the cockade is that of displaying ones unit or political affiliation on the front of the bonnet. Generally, the Scots cockade is of a cluster of ribbons in the color of the Regiment, Commander or Affiliation (say, for example, blue for Covenanter or Red for Royalist during the ECW period). The Scots cockade most commonly recognized now (worn on modern Scots Regimental headwear) is a single piece of black ribbon rutched in the middle, laid longways on the cap. This, I believe, comes from the final Scots uprising of the '45, where the troops loyal to Charles wore a white saltire cross ribbon (the saltire of Scotland), and the Government troops opposing them wore pretty much the opposite in, well, opposition. After the rebellion (or as I like to think of it, Restoration) was put down, all Government (loyal) Scots troops adopted the black cockade. The French version appears to be either in a single color (whichever color opposed the Monarchy, red, IIRC) or the tricolor, and appears to be circularly shaped as opposed to the bowtie shaped Scots version. It all depends on what period and what political affiliation is needed to create what you are looking to do. First, find out what period you are recreating. Please feel free to send me a note and perhaps I can be of some assistance. Cheers, Mike T. >A friend asked me to find out about instructions for making a Scottish Cockade. In my internet search it appears that there may be a significant difference between the two types. > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 19:47:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC0ldAr018025 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:47:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC0lSAW004788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:47:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC0fOga050372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC0fMdo094746; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:41:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31014.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31014.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBC0fK4t094611 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:41:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 76298 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2006 00:41:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=oIna2ZxSIAaSIAysrgW7CvBskH0/qITunNq34XQQRpYWBKaR/RXrkSyFkwjRvk8n6meGkt2fWeZq753p6E7G9Mw1zVL6S6sQlPCHCZXKPxdsYUc9wyy7E3Zg70lxOJVDzrojjd2uQ00XXHuUnd5yZoS2BwVX4C8YkZVEHpUhBpA=; X-YMail-OSG: l47Xd4YVM1lLwWq6aRaQ7ZtsdGY9P.N_h52BsLq1Gl3Z6.cjhDlTz.m2dSE7cRQfn3YZEQ3m7zoaWfgNma1X1euBhktGFw4Gl0GaKGXudvx2zRUXVzcIkBfEWPVkzaAQhYTwFeetKlIyejdryi3QEimgQt.Qx.csaQ-- Received: from [207.7.160.238] by web31014.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:41:14 PST Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:41:14 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1860 dress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <457DDCCF.2040709@kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <918162.74273.qm@web31014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d33cd63e-0247-4383-8f05-7eefe86bb3f9 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457DFC20.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Answers. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 19:54:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC0s2Ag018296 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:54:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC0rxxM002785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:54:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC0q6pu053298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:52:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC0q4NC007060; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:52:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC0psch006832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:52:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBC0rPdp000608 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:53:25 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] another delay: A-S Cloth Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:59:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <6.0.0.22.0.20061211093255.0281acb0@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20061211093255.0281acb0@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200612111959.31462.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 544abeac-a0db-438e-a2bb-90a7c5b268b0 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457DFDA7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:54:02 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Monday 11 December 2006 10:36 am, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > OK. Just got the word: Cloth and Clothing in Anglo-Saxon England, AD > 450-700 by Penelope Rogers has been delayed again.. now April 2007 release > date. I will only have had it on order for two years.... > Aw, nuts. And I was hoping finally to see it for Christmas..... :-( Thanks for the update; I was thinking of calling David Brown Book Company myself to check the status; now I don't have to. -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 19:55:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC0tlrL018383 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:55:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC0thQj011037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:55:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC0s00v053894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:54:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC0rvV5009348; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:53:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC0rrCx009262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:53:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBC0tOBx000733 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:55:24 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Costume coup happy dance! Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:01:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200612112001.31071.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8310d1ac-85b8-4f52-8408-ab733be8e0db X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457DFE0F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:55:47 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Monday 11 December 2006 4:31 pm, FyneHats2@aol.com wrote: > Dear h-costumers, > > As I went about my Christmas shopping with my lists from my college age > children who all want cds and dvds for gifts now, I was at Borders > Bookstore and (having printed a few cupons from the internet from their > site) I was ablel to get 25% savings on a book and a cd. Browsing about the > boxed dvd sets my eyes happend upon "Elizabeth R" with Glenda Jackson -- > the very one I have been longing for for ages!! I saw it years ago when it > first came out, but with the price of either vhs or dvd, I couldn't afford > my dream.I have been doing Reniassance faires for 15 years now and this > was the gold standard for costuming. I especially liked the headgear. > However, , this time I had a cupon for 40% off a boxed dvd set @ $70.00!! > Yes, indeed, I bought it and told my husband "Thank you for my Christmas > present!" > > I just had to spill it to folks I know would understand. Congratulations on your coup! -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 20:18:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC1Iipw019081 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:18:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC1IeGD025969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:18:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC1HsTb060228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:17:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC1HpEE034776; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:17:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avas3.coqui.net (avas3.coqui.net [196.28.61.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC1HgNo034504 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:17:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hagiosfenum@prtc.net) Received: from unknown (HELO MAQUINA) ([65.23.236.150]) by avas3.coqui.net with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2006 21:14:33 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAFOSfUVBF+yW/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,522,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="621741323:sNHT3131234015" From: "HAGIOS FENUM" To: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:15:30 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <200612111717.kBBHGmgQ039375@net.indra.com> Thread-Index: AccdSESn1pqCwfBHQPefz5roZRVrSwAQp0tA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 771 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 205d7504-c1a8-4fbd-8793-3558b3f77862 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457E0370.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Jose -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of h-costume-request@indra.com Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:17 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 771 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 20:26:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC1QW9l019273 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:26:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC1QS07025312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:26:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC1Pklk062286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:25:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC1Pink042861; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:25:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC1PfBo042686 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:25:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c81.8d01d49 (41811) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:25:32 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:25:30 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=4% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:tardis X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 794e0d70-f4c0-4702-91b2-3d36fb0f7fd6 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457E0544.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:28:17 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Has anyone yet made any of the patterns from the Tudor Tailor book yet? I'm currently making a pair of venetians and am struggling to figure out the pocket. Please feel free to email me off list. Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 21:34:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC2Ygok021561 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:34:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC2YcG8014127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:34:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC2Xvt8081310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:33:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC2XtBk013461; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:33:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBC2Xo5Z013279 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:33:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31227 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2006 02:33:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=L40lFv+ae7c3LR/fXaHN6A5XD/W5rXSu4tuIhz84kON2B5dm1nlUPW0dL1DzzuAcnSF1kCCb12JWL6wxpCP5Gg+VMFgq+1xILjKnFAzdF9AEN8c8fO8y6+ZqEit+e2h3Dc6S/lS+g9e9j+pLmy9OPqdBg6xiJMvehH7GqODBKEU=; X-YMail-OSG: lhWJsrUVM1mW9a0c69C0tw0nuCvD7l2aOb58eyHP4g8CXQKSpWJTAF5JNlEKFotHexNfIEK79TOUqWVuJMBeF9KLn_2yRnclBwJ_uAUwJLQviDqfcNqrWFMGOH7B_nl1_FaR_s1AbUV8DK8- Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:33:44 PST Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:33:44 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Any "Tudor Tailor"ers? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190612111826l49f99b31lcb931a5c171dfd55@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <926094.26948.qm@web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 324e5f00-3d28-47f4-835a-593de60344fc X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457E153F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi Allison, There is an unofficial yahoo group for readers of the book. Ninya is also on the list, and often gives answers. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tudor_Tailor_Reader/ And yes, I've just made a Henrician gown from some info in the book, and info from Hunnisett's book, too. Kimiko "A. Thurman" wrote: Has anyone yet made any of the patterns from the Tudor Tailor book yet? I'm currently making a pair of venetians and am struggling to figure out the pocket. Please feel free to email me off list. Allison T. _______________________________________________ --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 21:42:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC2gsVN021791 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:42:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC2godc007604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:42:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC2g5bS083591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:42:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC2g4QY021620; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:42:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC2g05j021547 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:42:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m70.in-tch.com [216.166.191.70]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id kBC2TL509362 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:29:21 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004901c71d98$4c0e7980$46bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:50:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0047fe2a-3999-48e9-98ce-9330b0926a76 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457E172A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:42:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Au contraire! There's a huge amount of difference between the two--just ask any skilled spinner, and many weavers and knitters as well. The original processing of the fiber is different, the spinning methods are different, the end results are different. Fineness has little to do with it--I'm actually in the middle of spinning some laceweight singles out of hand-carded targhee, and I'm deliberately spinning them with a woolen technique. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt > Yup. Thanks for the post. That is the kind of thing I was remembering. > > Worsted vs woolen-- pretty funny, since both are wool. Worsted is just a > fine spun wool. > Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 21:54:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC2s4Q7022085 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:54:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC2rvQT015430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:54:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC2rOOG086585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:53:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC2rNiW032681; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:53:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC2rGlR032589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBC2rEwb009403; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:53:15 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Sca-Laurels" , "SCA-GARB" , "H-Costume" Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:53:07 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mode di Firenzie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17cb2950-a57b-4625-8aee-ee113fd662fc X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457E19C5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:54:04 -0500 (EST) Status: RO You know that lovely Italian/English book that we all wanted because of the Eleonora of Toledo stuff? I suggested to Ian Stevens of David Brown Books that maybe they could get hold of it and distribute it. Michael Shamansky Art Books was the only place I managed to get mine a year ago. Here is what Ian has found out: By the way. The Inventories of Henry VIII (Starkey ed.) have been marked back down to $72 on their website. You don't want to know what new books they have though! Anyone want a nice facsimile edition of the Luttrell Psalter? At 12:28 AM 12/9/2006, you wrote: >Is there any way that Oxbow or David Brown could get hold of Moda a Firenze >1540-1580 from the Museum that publishes it? Hi Wanda, The publisher tells us that the book is out of print! So, buy one if you get the chance (whatever the cost!). Yikes! Best, Ian Ian Stevens Vice President The David Brown Book Company Box 511 (28 Main St) OAKVILLE, CT 06779 Tel: 860-945-9329 Fax: 860-945-9468 www.oxbowbooks.com The David Brown Book Company is the US arm of Oxbow Books. DBBC distributes and markets scholarly and specialist books to the North American academic community. The company has a strong focus on books in the following disciplines: Archaeology, Classics, the Ancient Near East, Ancient Egypt, Medieval Studies, Religion, Literary Studies & Linguistics, Food History and Genealogy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 22:15:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC3FIpE022901 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:15:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC3FEAO028932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:15:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC3Ebxi091772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC3EaeM053160; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:14:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc12.comcast.net (alnrmhc12.comcast.net [206.18.177.52]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC3EV33052992 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:14:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200612120314.kBC3EV33052992@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc12) with SMTP id <20061212031426b1200bnec6e>; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:14:26 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:15:41 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tardis In-Reply-To: <1165873991.457dd3477a297@webmail.netspace.net.au> References: <200612111537.kBBFaX7m015914@net.indra.com> <457D895202000014000C70C3@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> <1165873991.457dd3477a297@webmail.netspace.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e62a3ac-b43d-4254-86f8-c7c79680be44 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457E1EC2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 22:43:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC3h7sF024475 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:43:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC3h3Tl012190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:43:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC3gC9g096183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:42:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC3g93C077213; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:42:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC3g1uU077061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:42:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (70-56-113-200.desm.qwest.net [70.56.113.200]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC3flTB007889 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:41:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9FE2831B-3840-43FC-B52E-F4509072775D@cybermesa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: h-costume@indra.com From: Suzanne Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:41:47 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/2299/Thu Dec 7 00:36:50 2006 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] scans from MMA Bulletin X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c3e661fd-756a-4466-bfe0-7b68564b847f X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457E2547.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you for this generous offer! The women's 19th C. and 20th C. outfits, et al., might be useful for teaching purposes at the university where I work -- but I'm a librarian, not a Textiles & Clothing professor, so would you be willing to send scans to me and I can contact the right people? (Well, to be honest, we'd probably like to see everything! But I don't want to seem greedy.) If it's too much trouble then never mind.... Suzanne (You may use the address I'm posting from, OR slesar@iastate.edu) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin > In the process of (finally) unpacking my books, I've been finding > things that could use a home other than mine. I have a > Metropolitan Museum of Art Bulletin from back in the days when they > sent members these glossy books every quarter. It's from the > costume collection and contains large, high-quality pictures of > garments from 1695 through the early 1950's, including > microphotographs of some of the embroidered detail of the > garments. It's nice to look at, but way past anything I'm really > interested in. > So... I will scan and send photos of anything that someone > fancies, and the whole thing can belong to the first person who > asks for it. (You have two weeks to ask for the pictures, then > I'll mail it.) The highlights: > > - Complete embroidered woman's dress from 1695 > - Four men's 18th c embroidered coats, one uncut, one with original > embroidery cartoon, one with pants and vest > - Men's banyans > - Assorted women's 18c dresses, one with panniers, most sack- > backed, all embroidered or hand-painted, 1740's - 1795 > - Assorted women's 19c outfits, day dresses, evening wear, several > from each decade > - Assorted women's 20c outfits, evening wear, suits, etc, up to the > 50's > > -Helen/Aidan > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 22:51:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC3pZqP024997 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:51:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC3pVaD016559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:51:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC3ovnB097527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:50:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC3otv7084742; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:50:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc14.comcast.net (alnrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.225.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC3orWl084622 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:50:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (failure[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc14) with SMTP id <20061212035047b1400mlao1e>; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:50:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <76996f0c5a9889153e0c91a96a332604@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:50:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: TheCostumersManifesto@yahoogroups.com Subject: [h-cost] Costume history text X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb095fc4-f420-4ba0-b264-d8f6ee8a63e9 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457E2743.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:51:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I know we've discussed this before, but not in terms of cost. I will be teaching a costume history class at a community college next semester and would like to order textbooks for the students to buy. Cost is really a factor at community colleges, so I was wondering if any of you could recommend a good reasonably priced text. Has anyone used Doug Russell's book before? He was one of my first costume profs and I loved the way he taught. I have 2 of the books he wrote and am tempted to use one of them, as I like it and think it might be less expensive than some others, but I thought I'd get your opinions. Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 23:39:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC4dtg9026756 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:39:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC4dpfu007084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:39:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC4cqVb005704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:38:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC4chRP026941; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:38:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBC4ceXK026790 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:38:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33837 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2006 04:38:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ZPF0t0pRu10s3Bzwj7GaCMlkC9xwYvPFXenvWoulAamwBBa/tesoxwo+dLiJqEzqqXp9l4W4pyJ6YZbD1u2/YCIgOR07gWlapdseGBm51pwq9W6fl9RW7yo1GDonDy/F7bOy2J06M6NjkZP5nRXaA4KIVrAFDp7QzzSEGvvBl34=; X-YMail-OSG: 32lziyYVM1k5HVp4UovNcO45wCafzJTo.6GFoDM4j4TWiP.mTowvartwSszz8nH2S7X4g4EmO7LUOK.KcButMwnleCBveMST3jSrxH0BvxBc5vmDJbKQTLHgdu2VqRATLCL1QDuA9XWa2Qk- Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:38:35 PST Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:38:35 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mode di Firenzie To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <693780.33709.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 482202be-31c7-4a51-b95e-2138fe8b176e X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457E3297.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Small Business. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 11 23:52:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC4qOwL027145 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:52:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC4qK4F019927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:52:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC4pebL008354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:51:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC4paKm038778; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:51:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC4pVmQ038671 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:51:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1Gtzc20SxB-0005JO; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:51:31 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c71da9$2b5c5b60$6700a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <76996f0c5a9889153e0c91a96a332604@ntw.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume history text Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:51:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1c7edaba-a820-430c-94bf-df27325b19d8 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457E3584.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 00:36:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC5avMc028738 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:36:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC5armn009164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:36:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC5a22B027752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:36:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC5a0eV084717; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:36:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC5Zt9A084645 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:35:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1Gu0J01mZt-0005Kb; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:35:55 -0500 Message-ID: <009601c71daf$5f4d9230$6700a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about a book Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:35:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7813277-e9a4-461f-97c9-e10ea8afdd19 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457E3FF5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:36:57 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Ann, The newer addition is a lot better. In my class I just refer to certain pages in the book. My class starts in 1840 and ends at 1970. Those sections are good in the book for an overview. I just remembered that I bought the book used on Amazon not eBay. My book was used and was in perfect condition. When I was a student, I used my book for three costume history classes. So I got my money out of it. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about a book > > In a message dated 12/10/2006 7:27:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > Found this book. Its rather expensive, and it doesnt say much about the > book. > Do any here know it? > > > > > This is one of the standard history of costume texts used here in the > U.S. > I haven't seen the latest edition--I have the last one. It is just that, > a > very general survey. I'm not sure, Bjarne, whether you would find it > very > useful. I would say that, if you do not have any of the general survey > books, > you ought to have at least one. How expensive is it? > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 01:18:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC6IKSw030008 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:18:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC6IGL1002053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:18:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC6HWrO035414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:17:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC6HU6Z021081; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:17:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC6HP4S020947 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:17:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20061212061720013008tmpne>; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:17:20 +0000 Message-ID: <457E498B.40300@bovil.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:17:47 -0800 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tardis References: <200612111537.kBBFaX7m015914@net.indra.com> <457D895202000014000C70C3@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> <1165873991.457dd3477a297@webmail.netspace.net.au> <200612120314.kBC3EV33052992@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200612120314.kBC3EV33052992@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d0b5bf9-9241-4687-9b6b-65a6c86b50f9 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457E49A8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(and I know why at least one person would have a police box in their kitchen) andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 02:07:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC77NpR001273 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 02:07:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBC77E39029123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 02:07:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBC6rudo049614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:53:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC6rsin057484; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:53:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC6ro3Q057421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:53:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id kBC6rmsB012388 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:53:49 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mode di Firenzie Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:53:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <693780.33709.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: adef62e3-8cf9-4488-b60e-223dc044286b X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457E5522.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks > for the heads up. > > Kimiko > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 07:50:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCCo7gp005318 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:50:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCCo37s003183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:50:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCCmXbW004386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:48:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCCmQku054728; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:48:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCCmM77054664 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:48:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B7F130DCE for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:48:19 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-192.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-192.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.192]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:48:19 +1100 Message-ID: <1165927699.457ea5137970d@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:48:19 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <200612111537.kBBFaX7m015914@net.indra.com> <457D895202000014000C70C3@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> <1165873991.457dd3477a297@webmail.netspace.net.au> <200612120314.kBC3EV33052992@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200612120314.kBC3EV33052992@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tardis in garage X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11d68dac-4931-49e1-9ab1-3a655729358d X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457EA57B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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So there, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 07:53:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCCrVx7005411 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:53:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCCrR5N009176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:53:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCCqrCF005301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:52:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCCqp3H058947; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:52:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (lightning.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCCqlFx058879 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:52:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F683759D1 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:52:53 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-192.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-192.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.192]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:52:45 +1100 Message-ID: <1165927965.457ea61de1714@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:52:45 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <200612111537.kBBFaX7m015914@net.indra.com> <457D895202000014000C70C3@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> <1165873991.457dd3477a297@webmail.netspace.net.au> <200612120314.kBC3EV33052992@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200612120314.kBC3EV33052992@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tardis in garage 2 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0025aae-41d5-4a07-a287-5084798780d4 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457EA647.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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You know when you make a prop and store it because you know that one day it will come in useful but it never does...? -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 07:54:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCCseuJ005431 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:54:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCCsQDa009903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:54:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCCrPOl005388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:53:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCCrOdL059405; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:53:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCCrHo4059322 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:53:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so1754103ugc for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:53:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HbORF0HTQKi9nx0C765b76Su+S0shsmGR6GUD9bLqZOvUqRhFmOSFjlmnJ+DbGx4czm1c4pNCFNglzyW41NDi1uAc6J6wOYdFz7SXuQav+d9X7EjMgHTaeC6uesrUv2e0C/ijPjG0bf5lMnJXsk5AEbtrc8tl2Ycs2SdtfXyMDs= Received: by 10.82.169.4 with SMTP id r4mr1307162bue.1165927996370; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.184.5 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:53:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3586f5070612120453w5ba38c9fq641e240fa3fea368@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:53:16 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about a book In-Reply-To: <009601c71daf$5f4d9230$6700a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <009601c71daf$5f4d9230$6700a8c0@momlaptop> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3998b938-002e-4999-8e3d-881cc4b02b9c X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457EA682.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:54:40 -0500 (EST) Status: RO What is the year of the "newer" edition (mine is 1991 or 1992 I think) Katy On 12/12/06, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Ann, > > The newer addition is a lot better. In my class I just refer to certain > pages in the book. My class starts in 1840 and ends at 1970. Those sections > are good in the book for an overview. I just remembered that I bought the > book used on Amazon not eBay. My book was used and was in perfect > condition. When I was a student, I used my book for three costume history > classes. So I got my money out of it. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about a book > > > > > > In a message dated 12/10/2006 7:27:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > > > Found this book. Its rather expensive, and it doesnt say much about the > > book. > > Do any here know it? > > > > > > > > > > This is one of the standard history of costume texts used here in the > > U.S. > > I haven't seen the latest edition--I have the last one. It is just that, > > a > > very general survey. I'm not sure, Bjarne, whether you would find it > > very > > useful. I would say that, if you do not have any of the general survey > > books, > > you ought to have at least one. How expensive is it? > > > > Ann Wass > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 08:44:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCDiHUk006921 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:44:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCDi8gu014317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:44:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCDhnkg014333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:43:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCDhnYD006908; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:43:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBC4ob4T037815 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:50:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail41.nyc.untd.com (webmail41.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.181]) by smtpout04.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCZ6PJKAP7LTUS for (sender ); Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:50:17 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7x7o2cIiz2X/Z9ytsMFMg9MYHtJXQNdYGQ== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail41.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L9C6YDJT; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:49:33 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail41.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:49:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:49:12 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1860 dress X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20061211.204933.22531.880095@webmail41.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3952534401 X-MAIL-INFO: 301c1c9cc59cccec9c0d25acece97c71c159e995ddc1d9d938f1f8086148c5218969290ce10d8968698ccca5e13519cc551c7801b9ed3d75b9b9319dadad7c2895f578790849a81d4c180ca5298ded4898a5ed9999f559c14dc1f1e815f1e85d1ce85d58f5ed28a8a15cdd28f811ec5c61f8d548a9f888b5d859455971c55d91e8591c X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.181|webmail41.nyc.untd.com|webmail41.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: da708fac-5bcf-49ac-aad7-97aef3418654 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457EB228.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:44:17 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kBCDiHUk006921 Status: RO The dress is beautiful! I love that shade of red. All the details look just right. Karen Seamstrix -- Deredere Galbraith wrote: Hi, I am so happy. Finally I made my 1860 dress so that I really like it. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Victorian/Victorian.html I wore it at the Anton Pieck Parade in Haarlem (the Netherlands). We had so much fun. There are some more pictures here (click on galerij in the menu on the left) http://www.de_zwarte_zwaan.dds.nl/index2.html Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 08:44:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCDiIC5006922 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:44:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCDiBK0011025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:44:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCDhCEE014188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:43:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCDhAlq006222; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:43:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (88.d2.1343.static.theplanet.com [67.19.210.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC3lHkK081555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:47:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Gtybx-0003tJ-8z; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:47:21 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:47:21 -0500 Message-ID: <20061211224721.8rbs4ikhcz8coc8w@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:47:21 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mode di Firenzie References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e252a26d-6b80-4335-b7af-d414ac566c2c X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457EB22B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Yikes! > *ACK* My copy was supposed to have been here early in November and I've not seen hide nor hare of it yet. :-( Maybe there will be enough demand that they'll reprint it. *whimper* I want my book! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 08:45:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCDjJ0Y006978 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:45:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCDjGVh011919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:45:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCDiUD6014470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:44:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCDiUQo007605; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:44:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net (mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC5HFHd068002 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:17:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumeraz@qwest.net) Received: from mpls-pop-05.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-05.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.5]) by mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id E6B4162D502 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-68-41.phnx.qwest.net (HELO buddy) (130.13.68.41) by mpls-pop-05.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2006 05:17:14 -0000 From: "Laurie Taylor" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume history text Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:16:48 -0700 Message-ID: <004901c71dac$b9cae210$0201a8c0@buddy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <76996f0c5a9889153e0c91a96a332604@ntw.net> Thread-Index: AccdoQx/tPHslmcDRlSXs+vBb+HUMAAC0JTw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0bafa807-6951-4a10-ac62-c0cefe413d9f X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457EB26C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:45:19 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Sylrog, I too studied with Prof. Russell, just a very few years before he passed away. I love his book and use it as an additional reference in my costume history class. I use the book chosen by my department as our primary book, but the Russell text does so much more to make the connections between what people wore and why they wore it. Studying costume history with Prof. Russell and his book did so much to spark my interest in history in general. FWIW. Laurie T. Phoenix -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:50 PM To: Historical Costume Cc: TheCostumersManifesto@yahoogroups.com Subject: [h-cost] Costume history text I know we've discussed this before, but not in terms of cost. I will be teaching a costume history class at a community college next semester and would like to order textbooks for the students to buy. Cost is really a factor at community colleges, so I was wondering if any of you could recommend a good reasonably priced text. Has anyone used Doug Russell's book before? He was one of my first costume profs and I loved the way he taught. I have 2 of the books he wrote and am tempted to use one of them, as I like it and think it might be less expensive than some others, but I thought I'd get your opinions. Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 08:46:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCDkPUU007018 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:46:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCDkLub012726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:46:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCDjavU014699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:45:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCDjame008824; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:45:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC61rvm008343 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:02:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1Gu0i80nOo-0003rv; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:01:53 -0500 Message-ID: <00e501c71db3$0017a6d0$6700a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4570922E.6050708@kabelfoon.nl><008b01c715d8$61871370$6500a8c0@momlaptop> <45719E3E.1050704@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing? 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 08:54:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCDsIag007265 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:54:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCDsF1n018338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:54:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCDqu4k016404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCDqs5K017495; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:52:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.160]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCDkia4010000 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:46:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.229.35]) by bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:46:39 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:46:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.229.220 by by110fd.bay110.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:46:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.34] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1165927699.457ea5137970d@webmail.netspace.net.au> From: "Becky Rautine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tardis in garage Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:46:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2006 13:46:39.0271 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2E52370:01C71DF3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c3bed315-e629-4314-8499-51f727537c97 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457EB487.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: stilskin@netspace.net.au Reply-To: Historical Costume To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Tardis in garage Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:48:19 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by bay0-mc6-f17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:55:15 -0800 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCCoHCk004602(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK);Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:50:17 -0700 (MST)(envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCCmQkw054728;Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:49:58 -0700 (MST)(envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76])by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCCmM77054664for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:48:24 -0700 (MST)(envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166])by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B7F130DCEfor ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:48:19 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-192.VIC.netspace.net.au(220-253-122-192.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.192]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:48:19 +1100 X-Message-Info: txF49lGdW41hIyxNDODTLSzHjDa0oYIDg+AS5oriArs= References: <200612111537.kBBFaX7m015914@net.indra.com><457D895202000014000C70C3@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk><1165873991.457dd3477a297@webmail.netspace.net.au><200612120314.kBC3EV33052992@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Return-Path: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2006 12:55:15.0491 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4D1A730:01C71DEC] > At 04:53 PM 12/11/2006, you wrote: > >I have one in my garage (don't ask), > > > Now you KNOW we have to ask! I will no more tell why I have a tardis in the garage than I will tell why I have been excommunicated. So there, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ View Athlete’s Collections with Live Search http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 08:54:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCDsFjf007263 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:54:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCDs6nd021981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:54:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCDqQnC016322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:52:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCDqO23017018; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:52:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBCDRSwn090583 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:27:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2006121208271715295 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:27:17 -0500 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBCDRFWA021795 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:27:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004301c71df1$43d40240$51a810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200612111537.kBBFaX7m015914@net.indra.com><457D895202000014000C70C3@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk><1165873991.457dd3477a297@webmail.netspace.net.au><200612120314.kBC3EV33052992@net.indra.com> <1165927965.457ea61de1714@webmail.netspace.net.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tardis in garage 2 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:27:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fefbdaa3-a118-4a90-bac7-be3b617505ad X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457EB47E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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You know when you make a prop and store it because you know > that > one day it will come in useful but it never does...? > > -C. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 09:07:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCE71n1007618 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:07:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCE6vkH031648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:07:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCE6CmP018846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCE6A5L031145; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:06:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCE666E030903 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:06:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061212140557.THOA36.fep35.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:05:57 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.22]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061212140557.WUGO26664.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:05:57 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c71df6$ae3b2320$1643a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Costume coup happy dance! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:07:01 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi Congratulations with your DVD. I know excactly how you feel, i still think its the best ever made! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:31 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Costume coup happy dance! > Dear h-costumers, > > As I went about my Christmas shopping with my lists from my college age > children who all want cds and dvds for gifts now, I was at Borders > Bookstore and > (having printed a few cupons from the internet from their site) I was > ablel to > get 25% savings on a book and a cd. Browsing about the boxed dvd sets my > eyes happend upon "Elizabeth R" with Glenda Jackson -- the very one I > have been > longing for for ages!! I saw it years ago when it first came out, but > with > the price of either vhs or dvd, I couldn't afford my dream.I have been > doing > Reniassance faires for 15 years now and this was the gold standard for > costuming. I especially liked the headgear. However, , this time I had a > cupon for > 40% off a boxed dvd set @ $70.00!! Yes, indeed, I bought it and told my > husband "Thank you for my Christmas present!" > > I just had to spill it to folks I know would understand. > > Donna Scarfe > Fyne Hats By Felicity > Period Hats for Past Ages > www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 09:12:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCECD7n007757 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:12:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCEC98i028040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:12:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCEADOU019629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:10:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCEACIm035425; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCEA8wp035269 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.140.89]) by bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:10:03 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:10:03 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.140.123 by by135fd.bay135.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:10:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <004901c71dac$b9cae210$0201a8c0@buddy> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume history text Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:10:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2006 14:10:03.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[37B6E850:01C71DF7] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d2af556-6b90-4ce8-8bc3-41ee22dfd51d X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457EB8B9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Can you send out the titles and ISBN numbers for these books? I teach as well, and could really use a good text, sounds like this would be very much in keeping with how I teach costume history...the what/why sort of thing. Kelly An insolent reply from a polite person is a bad sign. Hippocrates (c.460-c.370 bc), Greek physician >From: "Laurie Taylor" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "'Historical Costume'" >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume history text >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:16:48 -0700 > >Sylrog, > >I too studied with Prof. Russell, just a very few years before he passed >away. I love his book and use it as an additional reference in my costume >history class. I use the book chosen by my department as our primary book, >but the Russell text does so much more to make the connections between what >people wore and why they wore it. Studying costume history with Prof. >Russell and his book did so much to spark my interest in history in >general. > >FWIW. > >Laurie T. >Phoenix > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:50 PM >To: Historical Costume >Cc: TheCostumersManifesto@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [h-cost] Costume history text > >I know we've discussed this before, but not in terms of cost. I will >be teaching a costume history class at a community college next >semester and would like to order textbooks for the students to buy. >Cost is really a factor at community colleges, so I was wondering if >any of you could recommend a good reasonably priced text. Has anyone >used Doug Russell's book before? He was one of my first costume profs >and I loved the way he taught. I have 2 of the books he wrote and am >tempted to use one of them, as I like it and think it might be less >expensive than some others, but I thought I'd get your opinions. > >Sylrog > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Not only does WindowsOff to school, going on a trip, or moving? Windows Live (MSN) Messenger lets you stay in touch with friends and family wherever you go. Click here to find out how to sign up! Live™ OneCare™ provide all-in-one PC care to keep your computer protected and well-maintained, but it also makes creating backup files a breeze. Try it today! http://www.telusmobility.com/msnxbox/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 10:05:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCF4vwM009319 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:05:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCF4p9e026591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:04:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCF1AjT027879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:01:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCF1439089085; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:01:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc15.comcast.net (sccrmhc15.comcast.net [63.240.77.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCF0kxt088609 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:00:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with SMTP id <20061212150034015006u7the>; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:00:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <004901c71dac$b9cae210$0201a8c0@buddy> References: <004901c71dac$b9cae210$0201a8c0@buddy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6166ff0874d96da87f57c71e24a492e6@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume history text Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:00:33 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 781969c4-ec9a-4a9d-96ef-ae404fb19f6c X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457EC513.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO That's exactly what I loved about studying costume history with Professor Russell. He really brought it to life by making those connections and putting it into perspective. I've never had another teacher who did that. I want to try to do that with the class I'm going to teach, but I feel I need to study so much history first in order to get to his level. So what book is your primary book? Sylrog On Dec 11, 2006, at 10:16 PM, Laurie Taylor wrote: > Sylrog, > > I too studied with Prof. Russell, just a very few years before he > passed > away. I love his book and use it as an additional reference in my > costume > history class. I use the book chosen by my department as our primary > book, > but the Russell text does so much more to make the connections between > what > people wore and why they wore it. Studying costume history with Prof. > Russell and his book did so much to spark my interest in history in > general. > > FWIW. > > Laurie T. > Phoenix > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:50 PM > To: Historical Costume > Cc: TheCostumersManifesto@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [h-cost] Costume history text > > I know we've discussed this before, but not in terms of cost. I will > be teaching a costume history class at a community college next > semester and would like to order textbooks for the students to buy. > Cost is really a factor at community colleges, so I was wondering if > any of you could recommend a good reasonably priced text. Has anyone > used Doug Russell's book before? He was one of my first costume profs > and I loved the way he taught. I have 2 of the books he wrote and am > tempted to use one of them, as I like it and think it might be less > expensive than some others, but I thought I'd get your opinions. > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 10:07:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCF78Ld009361 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:07:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCF75CS012976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:07:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCF2gKo028213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:02:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCF2fFe091019; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:02:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCF2cSd090855 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:02:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.114]) by bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:02:32 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:02:32 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:02:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [75.50.248.188] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1165927965.457ea61de1714@webmail.netspace.net.au> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tardis in garage 2 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:02:29 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2006 15:02:32.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CBEC640:01C71DFE] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 09dd8f04-fc6e-469e-b7d8-78e27c8dc334 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457EC599.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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You know when you make a prop and store it because you know >that >one day it will come in useful but it never does...? > >-C. > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live Spaces friends module. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 10:44:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCFiCfZ010355 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:44:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCFhjFi008785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:44:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCDiHoO014422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:44:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCDiFWK007361; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:44:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.107]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBC56u9R052336 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:06:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rosenau5@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 55118 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2006 05:06:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GjkevSSdhHhYnXHdHpuss4UZo7Vjfe18boq3oSTo8kdNqMG48RsGdljH0QRqAHKB+YzCs78iLojfm5UtI6eZ7bytwgOweJrVzBh9bVJA4BCHl/EBsG/qrCWskYRj3WalK4etVz0y6v1VqbJ/eSu6tV3JW32LrqeRKbQX5+6HfzE=; X-YMail-OSG: wOzntmkVM1mcSUapyN4_x40DTM5cTeytqQ9b5GHzkhhCR5F3aNoq0TYK7PlJQY2hCYp5uQv_IAdtH5I4oSH8i7X3gA6wKqm8iCvxaFO_ecy_6AYX0XaIUiMynI8Ul_fMl_YoOG0TIVWjfw-- Received: from [63.250.65.76] by web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:06:51 PST Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:06:51 -0800 (PST) From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <103564.54496.qm@web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Subject: [h-cost] Met magazine picture--Aiden/Helen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457ECE31.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 10:45:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCFiCfb010355 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:45:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCFhjFk008785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:45:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCDieoV014499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:44:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCDidlY007766; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:44:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.192.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBC5IQ2e069073 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:18:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20061212051820m1300iu2r4e>; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:18:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <001601c71da9$2b5c5b60$6700a8c0@momlaptop> References: <76996f0c5a9889153e0c91a96a332604@ntw.net> <001601c71da9$2b5c5b60$6700a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9fe15a7def445588e49d054daf2351ce@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume history text Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:18:19 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457ECE31.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:51 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Sylrog, > > What time period are you covering in the class? > > Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 11:47:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCGlTwV011955 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:47:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCGkhc4001131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:47:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCGgepk049181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:42:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCGgQh3014832; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:42:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCGfheK013901 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:42:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=SdmpNKT41CmxjvH4SFEwBqLpdwuxtJJb5tSERuRhz1DI9738PC8pJ9p4OAicx0Im; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.30] (helo=mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GuAhL-0000Mw-Fr for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:41:43 -0500 Received: from 72.10.108.2 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:41:42 -0500 Message-ID: <24765789.1165941703453.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:41:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: blue jean paper Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a47b628356e966ddc22f018e2d1b0d8eca350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.30 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9002cb80-1d9b-463e-8ede-fdcf6ea726ef X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457EDCF3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:47:29 -0500 (EST) Status: RO If you choose 24-lb instead of 28-lb, the ream price goes down to $29 something. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner gypsy scholar and amateur costumer AND creator of a room-size braided rug made of old blue jeans.... -----Original Message----- >From: Gail & Scott Finke >Sent: Dec 11, 2006 12:48 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Re: blue jean paper > > >I checked it out, you can still buy it. But here's what I mean by expensive. > >This site: > >http://www.thepapermillstore.com/catalog/Blue-Jean-Bond-28-lb-Bond-paper-Rea >m-p-9285.html > >sells the paper. I don't know what mill makes it, and the price given here >is certainly not what I would pay wholeslae. But it's almost $42 for 500 >sheets! Considering that you can buy office copy paper for about $4 for 500 >sheets, that's an expensive ream of paper. Might be nice for all the sewers >and costumers, though... > >Gail Finke > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 11:52:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCGqOsX012098 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:52:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCGq7SS004780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:52:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCGnO0d050403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:49:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCGnMHd023547; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:49:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.153]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCGmhg7022583 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:49:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20061212164837m1300iovhke>; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:48:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <24765789.1165941703453.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <24765789.1165941703453.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-Id: From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: blue jean paper Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:48:36 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=4% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 08c6b2ad-e784-4402-b4b1-b2908f5f171d X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457EDE40.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:52:24 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Yum. Can we see the rug? On Dec 12, 2006, at 11:41 AM, ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > If you choose 24-lb instead of 28-lb, the ream price goes down to > $29 something. > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > gypsy scholar and amateur costumer > AND creator of a room-size braided rug made of old blue jeans.... > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Gail & Scott Finke >> Sent: Dec 11, 2006 12:48 PM >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Subject: [h-cost] Re: blue jean paper >> >> >> I checked it out, you can still buy it. But here's what I mean by >> expensive. >> >> This site: >> >> http://www.thepapermillstore.com/catalog/Blue-Jean-Bond-28-lb-Bond- >> paper-Rea >> m-p-9285.html >> >> sells the paper. I don't know what mill makes it, and the price >> given here >> is certainly not what I would pay wholeslae. But it's almost $42 >> for 500 >> sheets! Considering that you can buy office copy paper for about >> $4 for 500 >> sheets, that's an expensive ream of paper. Might be nice for all >> the sewers >> and costumers, though... >> >> Gail Finke >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 11:59:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCGx9FA012301 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:59:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCGwfqd010748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:59:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCGueb9051731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:56:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCGubtP032637; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:56:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCGu0Y0031916 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:56:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=VG8XX7Tj5FetN2uayWlJJMcQYfmPiDBt3zn6Ir0etuabKIDKIbMi/G2oWQ8lsPpw; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.30] (helo=mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GuAvA-0006GI-92 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:56:00 -0500 Received: from 12.39.253.175 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:55:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3088312.1165942560229.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:55:59 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: blue jean paper Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a4a9218097e48b661f133626c1a0e36db6667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.30 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ab893b4d-64ad-4fe6-aee0-e700153810c7 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457EDFC1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:59:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Let me find a clear space in my house (evidently NOT a Tardis because although it's stuffed with stuff it refuses to expand) to lay it out, and I'll take its picture. In advance I have to confess having added a circuit or two of old nightgowns, just for color.... --Ruth Anne -----Original Message----- >From: Lauren Walker >Sent: Dec 12, 2006 11:48 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: blue jean paper > >Yum. Can we see the rug? > >On Dec 12, 2006, at 11:41 AM, ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > >> If you choose 24-lb instead of 28-lb, the ream price goes down to >> $29 something. >> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner >> gypsy scholar and amateur costumer >> AND creator of a room-size braided rug made of old blue jeans.... >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gail & Scott Finke >>> Sent: Dec 11, 2006 12:48 PM >>> To: h-costume@indra.com >>> Subject: [h-cost] Re: blue jean paper >>> >>> >>> I checked it out, you can still buy it. But here's what I mean by >>> expensive. >>> >>> This site: >>> >>> http://www.thepapermillstore.com/catalog/Blue-Jean-Bond-28-lb-Bond- >>> paper-Rea >>> m-p-9285.html >>> >>> sells the paper. I don't know what mill makes it, and the price >>> given here >>> is certainly not what I would pay wholeslae. But it's almost $42 >>> for 500 >>> sheets! Considering that you can buy office copy paper for about >>> $4 for 500 >>> sheets, that's an expensive ream of paper. Might be nice for all >>> the sewers >>> and costumers, though... >>> >>> Gail Finke >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >Lauren M. Walker >lauren.walker@comcast.net > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 12:31:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCHVrTn013228 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:31:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCHVjrO003274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:31:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCHUbe2058359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:30:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCHUH1Z075625; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:30:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (88.d2.1343.static.theplanet.com [67.19.210.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCHU5ip075301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:30:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GuBRQ-0008EV-Gm; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:29:20 -0600 Received: from 160.36.154.221 ([160.36.154.221]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:29:20 -0500 Message-ID: <20061212122920.h4501424r9lwwsc8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:29:20 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about a book References: <009601c71daf$5f4d9230$6700a8c0@momlaptop> <3586f5070612120453w5ba38c9fq641e240fa3fea368@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3586f5070612120453w5ba38c9fq641e240fa3fea368@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457EE781.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I just lucked onto one for $10.00 -- the 3rd ed is 2004 or 2005 (IIRC) susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 12:43:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCHhkGk013547 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:43:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCHheDT012643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:43:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCHe6LM060110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:40:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCHe3Hg088041; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:40:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCHdNex087040 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:40:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.17531716; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:39:12 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id kBCHdCd10554.; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:39:12 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:39:12 +0000 Message-Id: <457EE93202000014000C7299@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:38:58 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200612120118.kBC1HsEr034838@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200612120118.kBC1HsEr034838@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 773 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457EEA4D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 12:52:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCHq5d9013745 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:52:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCHpslH032472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:52:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCHoDLA062443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:50:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCHo7EV001634; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:50:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23111.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23111.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBCHo1FF001361 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:50:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 31258 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2006 17:49:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=N6xlsdeqagJCWe+aS0my9f+t2cL+bNqQqy0eY1w1ffQODXP12w5mLICRlsVT6YPI67OkSZMy4jR/P/bjIM/Umdfu0BAkS4jal8g3M2sQEouNm+/k2eOF6Vrh8fY6FTBDOuAVrn+07irmwgptLQSU1JxKdt5YTCmjtv4fksuOT9A=; X-YMail-OSG: o0liy6gVM1nGepD_rxpItKfkG18J5NDwkBqxEW1lmKAlOyb6Os34xw7rjegORH1XfZB5UGkm0dMEYIUD3ojuB7RDTlF7N1O.K39D6vFhwa7v8rQUHFuvJ9xLhfWJxXxdQaLXF2cRagCB Received: from [82.112.138.182] by web23111.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:49:54 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:49:54 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200612112001.31071.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2534.31232.qm@web23111.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "Sewing-machine coup" happy dance! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457EEC3A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Gentles all, I visited the local equivalent of a US "thrift Shop" two Friday's back, and came away with 2 in-table-mounted "Singer Stylist Model 457's" for £10GB each, and a clean and well-cared-for Singer Model 66K [ circa 1906-1920] hand-cranked, table-top machine, [the one with the lovely "Lotus" decals] - thrown in, for free. The local Sewing Machine Engineer is servicing them for me now. Both the "Stylists" came with original User manuals, and a full complement of accessories - various types of feet, spare bobbins, spare needles, original tools and oil bottles. These will be kept for use by novice re-enactors who wish to join either our established Companie of the Duke's Leopards, or the SCA-group we are trying to start in our little Isle - to make their own garb and equipment, and/ or tents. In Service to the Light, and our Dream, Matthew, in "old" Jersey. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 13:45:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCIjXil014994 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:45:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCIjRn7026526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:45:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCIi4hw071612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:44:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCIhpB3069298; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:43:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCIhZ6b068920 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:43:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24946 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:28:52 -0600 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:28:52 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Oh boy oh boy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8ee42e4f-d2c9-4685-ae41-0ac5c063365e X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457EF8C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I want it right now! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 13:51:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCIpmIc015156 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:51:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCIpY4J001101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:51:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCIneg5072734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:49:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCInLTx076312; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:49:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (88.d2.1343.static.theplanet.com [67.19.210.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCHgHFv090989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GuBdx-0003vv-KX; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:42:17 -0600 Received: from 160.36.154.221 ([160.36.154.221]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:42:17 -0500 Message-ID: <20061212124217.8lye50eo9oasg4sg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:42:17 -0500 From: "Susan B. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Quoting Kelly Grant : > Can you send out the titles and ISBN numbers for these books? I teach > as well, and could really use a good text, sounds like this would be > very much in keeping with how I teach costume history...the what/why > sort of thing. How about this ..... http://www.amazon.com/Costume-History-Style-Douglas-Russell/dp/0131812149 http://www.amazon.com/Survey-Historic-Costume-History-Western/dp/1563673452 susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 15:51:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCKpNjn029967 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:51:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCKpEGr016449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:51:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCKoPva095057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:50:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCKoABl024057; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:50:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCKnudx023664 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:50:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.210] (sjs-130-65-37-210.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.210]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCKnhYb009634 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:49:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <004301c71df1$43d40240$51a810ac@Kate> References: <200612111537.kBBFaX7m015914@net.indra.com><457D895202000014000C70C3@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk><1165873991.457dd3477a297@webmail.netspace.net.au><200612120314.kBC3EV33052992@net.indra.com> <1165927965.457ea61de1714@webmail.netspace.net.au> <004301c71df1$43d40240$51a810ac@Kate> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <985D371E-3CF4-4924-A9F8-AF44C6936697@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:49:49 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Props (was Re: Tardis in garage 2 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b659bd6a-bf6b-4201-81cd-c1ac41169fc1 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457F1642.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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If anyone is interested, I'll post more information as things solidify. -- andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen http://www.irlm.org/ - mailto:webmaster@irlm.org "Anybody who takes this seriously deserves to" -- Donna Barr _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 16:27:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCLRKTK031058 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:27:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCLRHqM018899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:27:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCLQfxK002143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:26:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCLQXpA066906; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:26:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCLOsOs064565 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:25:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061212192849.KPIL11369.fep32.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:28:49 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.113]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061212192849.XAYO13466.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:28:49 +0100 Message-ID: <007401c71e23$cb1b2170$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <457DDCCF.2040709@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1860 dress Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:29:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.164.110.113] at Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:28:45 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 52ae1ab0-4403-4306-b6a2-aa1e30a59ffa X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457F1EB5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: [h-cost] 1860 dress > Hi, > > I am so happy. > Finally I made my 1860 dress so that I really like it. > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Victorian/Victorian.html Hi Deredere, Very nice dress. At first sight i emediately thoaght about a book i had as a boy, a swedish book called something like Antie brown, antie green and antie purple. Its a book about some orphan children living at tree ladies house. They are all dressed in victorian clothing. "Tante brun tante grøn og tante lilla." Thanks for posting for us! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 16:48:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCLmlMH031679 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:48:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCLmYQL023715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:48:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCLluiD006302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:47:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCLlpMY093444; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:47:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCLlLUK092860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:47:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1GuF21-0003LI-Gy for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:19:21 -0600 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:19:21 -0600 (CST) From: Cat Dancer X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: striped skirt In-Reply-To: <20061211005515.15888.qmail@web51305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20061211005515.15888.qmail@web51305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4729e518-1cca-4f33-88f1-9184e214702f X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457F23B2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:48:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Sun, 10 Dec 2006, Ann Catelli wrote: > It's not a skirt, and it's plaid (rather a > 'window-pane' check), not striped, but do remember, > please, the cut-off cuff found in London, as published > in the MOL Textiles & Clothing book. Tiny stripes (2 > threads?) of dark intersecting stripes of medium & > light threads, both verticallly and horizontally. One > way had more threads than the other. > Maybe 1300-1450--it's dated more precisely in the > book. > (Yes, it's from memory, but I'm being too lazy to look > it up properly.) I'm home sick today so I've got nothing to do BUT look up stuff. ;-) Catalog No. 64, which is the partial sleeve that's on the back cover, is checks of madder-dyed and undyed wool, with two darker threads outlining the checks. There are 8 warp threads to 6 weft threads per check. It's dated 14Q2. There are other patterns on both twills and tabbies, both stripes and checks. Some of the stripes are bands of silk weft on wool warp. > > I'm guessing that stripes & or plaids were just not > what artists were looking to paint. > At least this group won't assume that any person in > plaids/crossed stripes/etc. is Scottish. :) > > Ann in CT Stripes +/or plaids probably have specific meanings in painterly contexts, ones that we no longer know. *sighs* Pixel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 17:17:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCMHkVr032541 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:17:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCMHevG012128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:17:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCMEdL9011827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCMEag5026190; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:14:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.227]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCMEYTR026146 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:14:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id m7so1132442nzf for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:14:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=laLSI2qFLNp+W1XBtnY8gTMGbpk5X8QV6JoGMFSGUyRHDRPTSW+eiTRCQuVRKOPMv6Uawoond5R5WCweFWBeLF6k6qijJk4NHFsaUJCI7UTAdfbS1dL3uGYsnLoZVo5AL+DntvxNuysoJdvVJo6+ymXw3O7uQG9Jb80Jw1W3PvU= Received: by 10.64.156.3 with SMTP id d3mr108787qbe.1165961673733; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:14:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.196.1 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:14:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:14:33 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c6b6f2f-1364-45bc-ab8c-4bce1512cba9 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457F2A85.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:17:47 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves >I am working out the problems of interpreting the Darnley Dress for my QEI >14" doll. At first, I thought I was looking at a sleeveless coat >be set to give a cape effect. On closer examenation, I see that this is >actually a hanging sleeve...born out by Waugh, Arnold, and Hunnisett. I >have worked out the shape and cut but am having problems with the set. In >order for the unity of the skirt , bodice and sleeve that bear the >ornamentation, I can only achieve the look by inserting the hanging sleeve >outside in. This means that the lining will actually be the outside fabric. Kathleen, Yes, I have done something very much like the Ditchely dress, with a whole lot less beading. The specific gown I was copying was the Eleanor Powis portrait at Powis castle. I believe what you are seeing in the Ditchley portrait is two garments. One is a dress (bodice & skirt) in the French style. Over it, is an open robe or loose gown. See the Isham or Verney open gowns for styling, cut & construction. If you get out the National Portrait Gallery catalog (or peruse the web for a big color version) you'll see that the "background" visible between Elizabeth's underarm, bodice & sleeve are white like the gown & sleeves, not blue-gray like the left-half sky or black like the right-half sky. >Another small query, what is the visible red one can see throught >the space beneath the left arm? This was originally why I thought I >was seeing this "Cape". My guess, and I'm no expert, the "red" with all the pleating is the back of the skirt seen in shadow, while the white/gray triangle above the red is the interior of an open robe. When I drape my open robe over the drum I get a bit of squnch back there that looks like pooling water instead of rayed pleats. Admittedly, I'm looking at a 6x9" color photo, not the real portrait. Some contemporary portraits with the open robe: Eleanor Herbert Lady Powis - unknown artist - Castle Powis Pregnant lady in White - Marcus Gheerarts c1595 Sarah Blount, Countess Leicester Unknown Lady - W Segar 1595 Some contemporary garments -- open robe: V&A museum Isham gown The Verney gown (JArnold PoF) I also think that there are drum farthingale-style gowns with the double sleeve; dont get me wrong. The main dancing lady in the Bal for the Duc de Joyeuse is wearing just such a gown. See also Elizabeth I by John Bettes. >Has anyone else attempted this dress "for real"? I have turned the backside >of the shoulder area backwards so the gathers of the shoulder look like the >painting...and will tack them downover the silk lining, but the lining is >still exposed in all its plainess. I have been unable to find any >explanation of how this was done. When I did my "tawney sarceonet" gown for a drum farthingale I chose to make my sleeves removeable & interchangeable. Then I made the open robe separately. The sleeves on the robe are also removeable. I can wear two sleeves laced together into one armseye. (There's lacings & eyelets in a band that goes halfway 'round the armseye (e.g. from the pectoral, over the shoulder to the shoulder blade). My hanging sleeves are shorter like Pfaltzgrafin Dorothea so I can sit at dinner & not have boorish men stepping on my sleeve. This seems like a ridiculous amount of work for so tiny a doll, but for me, and I'm a little taller, it worked pretty well and I can wear the robe, several gowns and lots of sleeves, foreparts & stomachers in a variety of ways. Think of it as an Elizabethan cruisewear emsemble. To get the Ditchley look, I would unlace & remove the sleeves from the open robe. I'd lace the "Phoenix" style sleeve and hanging sleeve pairs onto the bodice. Put on the drum, forepart, skirt & bodice. Pin up skirt ruffles. Toss open robe over the top & pull sleeves gentle thru the armseyes of the robe. Sweep the body of the coat backwards over the skirt. Mine is overly heavy. I'd skip the lining or use a lighter weight silk satin next time. Heh, like I'll redo it. There's so many more gowns to make. My interpretation can be found here: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hysteria95126/my_photos You should be able to find the two garments shown separately. The album is: Costume Brag Book This is the detailed link as Yahoo sends it out. http://new.photos.yahoo.com/album?c=hysteria95126&aid=576460762366662489&pid=&wtok=TbrHsiVpa7SfF7Kkcus0iw--&ts=1165960865&.src=ph Look for the Ivory robe & giant square supportasse. Your doll sounds like it will be a work of art. Cant wait to see photos! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 17:18:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCMIK5f032564 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:18:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCMIGDN015614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:18:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCMH34s012295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:17:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCMH0q7029252; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:17:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCMGmwx029017 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:16:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id m7so1132793nzf for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:16:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CKOKRS67eaK3AzwwGcrYjd9hnfKsOYP7nKw/+1P8z937J++unmzIcsSsedL3o8FzijX15VP85AZhk/13VXjtei4MdSPoPfuClqi+MHhc/s0B6ureqSxwSCGWRUNjE7Rs2qHzXoCU+ZeGX50CyINRu2lnzgWFevE+IH8c7eeA/a8= Received: by 10.65.159.2 with SMTP id l2mr156792qbo.1165961807769; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.196.1 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:16:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:16:47 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: gift exchange X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 116b3776-70ab-423b-9274-786319b49f67 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457F2AA8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Happy holiday everything, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 18:02:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCN26rZ001302 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:02:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCN22d8012726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:02:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCN117t020549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:01:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCN0vQ3080561; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:00:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCN0qBo080378 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:00:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.26]) by bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:00:47 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:00:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY133-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:00:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:00:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:00:47 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2006 23:00:47.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C166EB0:01C71E41] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa2f14a4-31fb-4883-a661-fd2e333f5713 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457F34EA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:02:06 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kBCN26rZ001302 Status: RO I just sat down to start drafting the underpinnings for this gown http://www.saragrace.us/images/GoldenAge/PAM_PICS/Overall.JPG and all of a sudden realized the gown does not seem symmetrically round. Doesn't this seem much further out in the front than everywhere else? Do you think she is pregnant? Seems a little low for pregnancy. Thanks! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 18:08:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCN8eAl001475 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:08:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCN8awV010187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:08:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCN8Axi022739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:08:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCN86Rh089361; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:08:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCN82up089199 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:08:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.12]) by bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:07:57 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:07:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY133-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:07:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00cf01c71be0$076f7e00$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> <005701c71d34$86079fe0$8443a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:07:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:07:55 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2006 23:07:57.0135 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C775DF0:01C71E42] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: efe5f6a3-4ffd-48ef-a918-cadc75c6d38e X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457F3674.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kBCN8eAl001475 Status: RO Ditto for me! Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews To: Historical Costume Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin Oh please think of me with the 1695 gown and all the 18th century things? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 18:10:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCNAiGZ001534 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:10:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCNAe8d018076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:10:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCNACH5023519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:10:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCNACIN091780; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:10:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCNA7hn091573 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:10:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.25]) by bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:10:01 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:10:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY133-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:10:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:10:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:10:01 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2006 23:10:01.0405 (UTC) FILETIME=[A68976D0:01C71E42] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a32ce720-efcf-43d0-b92b-f535955441cd X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457F36F0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:10:44 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kBCNAiGZ001534 Status: RO Sorry about the link....msn repeats it for what ever reason. Please copy cut and paste! ----- Original Message ----- From: Saragrace Knauf To: h-costume Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! I just sat down to start drafting the underpinnings for this gown http://www.saragrace.us/images/GoldenAge/PAM_PICS/Overall.JPG> and all of a sudden realized the gown does not seem symmetrically round. Doesn't this seem much further out in the front than everywhere else? Do you think she is pregnant? Seems a little low for pregnancy. Thanks! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 18:20:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCNK9Oi001805 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:20:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCNK36P023749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:20:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCNJQfm026426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:19:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCNJOJf002664; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:19:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23414.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23414.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.99]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBCNJEKB002425 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:19:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marquesate@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 53498 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2006 23:19:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bK+xBwHslAwcNinoGZoXKr4HL5Yrccw2H0qqDxG2Sv9cVw3xowkEq4sF0GXNZZTj765O9sqhtSxnM5dZ1XSDAFf1QzBAy/i4+XiLZrstHbWn4giazwzKib5USkat2lgUewFfaIyDyyAv+DI+QbExtu3BvVGGI7fYMpY+CgrakMs= ; Message-ID: <20061212231908.53496.qmail@web23414.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [83.105.84.119] by web23414.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:19:08 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:19:08 +0000 (GMT) From: N Kipar Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kBCNJEKB002425 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b7a22f3-a7ff-4228-bd21-1a67b074d106 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457F3923.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:20:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I don't think she is, unless every other woman of this period who wears her fashionable clothes in the same way, is pregnant on portraits. I have many examples amongst my files that look just like this one. Nicole ----- Original Message ---- From: Saragrace Knauf To: h-costume Sent: Tuesday, 12 December, 2006 11:00:47 PM Subject: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! I just sat down to start drafting the underpinnings for this gown http://www.saragrace.us/images/GoldenAge/PAM_PICS/Overall.JPG and all of a sudden realized the gown does not seem symmetrically round. Doesn't this seem much further out in the front than everywhere else? Do you think she is pregnant? Seems a little low for pregnancy. Thanks! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 18:26:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCNQGo8001982 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:26:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCNQDhg030927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:26:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCNPndN028198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:25:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCNPlRL009621; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:25:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCNPiOA009481 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:25:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BFEB470F for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:25:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <457F3A99.7070704@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:26:17 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85e0ce33-269e-423c-92ca-467dd2b82bdc X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457F3A95.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:26:16 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I just sat down to start drafting the underpinnings for this gown http://www.saragrace.us/images/GoldenAge/PAM_PICS/Overall.JPG > and all of a sudden realized the gown does not seem symmetrically round. > > Doesn't this seem much further out in the front than everywhere else? > > Do you think she is pregnant? > Seems a little low for pregnancy. The feet don't seem to be in the right place either, to connect her legs to the top half of her body, so I am inclined to think the distortion is an effect of the painter's lack of skill in doing 3/4 portraits. The bump on the sitter's right seems to be her hip. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 18:33:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCNXC6h002172 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:33:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBCNX9RM022393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:33:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBCNWT2Z029839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:32:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBCNWQ7n016518; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBCNWMgn016420 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:32:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 26488 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2006 15:27:48 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 26383, pid: 26468, t: 4.4045s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:41/d:2269 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2006 15:27:44 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061212153045.0263fbc8@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:32:03 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp4.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, MANY_EXCLAMATIONS,PLING_QUERY autolearn=no version=3.0.3 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f6204e87-1539-4b81-9cdf-d93aef2d20e5 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457F3C35.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 03:00 PM 12/12/2006, you wrote: >I just sat down to start drafting the underpinnings for this gown >http://www.saragrace.us/images/GoldenAge/PAM_PICS/Overall.JPG >and all of a sudden realized the gown does not seem symmetrically round. > >Doesn't this seem much further out in the front than everywhere else? > >Do you think she is pregnant? >Seems a little low for pregnancy. > >Thanks! > >Sg She does look pregnant. Not only the enlarged belly, but the posture reminds me of pregnant friends. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 19:09:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD09Bh8003134 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:09:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD097I6024590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:09:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD08cmV037151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:08:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD08XOs054007; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:08:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2a.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD08R8x053928 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:08:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DF51B34A9E for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:08:26 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:08:39 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <457F3A99.7070704@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: efbe278b-da54-4445-a01a-6f0729bd5485 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457F44A3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:09:11 -0500 (EST) Status: RO -----Original Message----- > Doesn't this seem much further out in the front than everywhere else? > > Do you think she is pregnant? > Seems a little low for pregnancy. <<>> And her arms seem to be a bit long _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 19:09:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD09hDO003157 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:09:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD09ea3019166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:09:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD09CsS037274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:09:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD09Bkc054645; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:09:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD098hN054585 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:09:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835AC68083 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:09:06 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-12.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-12.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.12]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:09:09 +1100 Message-ID: <1165968549.457f44a522d7e@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:09:09 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tardis in garage 2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d01796f2-473a-4355-90ff-91b7ee159728 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457F44C4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:09:43 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting zelda crusher : > okay, now how about the excommunication..... Neverrrrrrr....bwa-ha-haaa! -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 19:11:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD0BVq1003213 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:11:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD0BS5e026073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:11:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD0B2Ww037587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:11:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD0B1EQ056247; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:11:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD0Au9F056179 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:10:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C059680BB for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:10:56 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-12.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-12.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.12]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:10:59 +1100 Message-ID: <1165968659.457f451382793@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:10:59 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tardis in garage References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68a1cddf-4ff1-45ea-b187-840a9fd9062f X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457F4530.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:11:31 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Yep, Dr Who, -C. > Do you mean one of those mystical boxes Dr. Who had? Or something else? ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 19:26:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD0QfGo003608 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:26:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD0QWLF001352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:26:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD0Pu1N039706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:25:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD0PjKG070132; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:25:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD0Pf6p070020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:25:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:13457 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GuHwO-0003LI-2L for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:25:45 -0600 Message-ID: <471f01c71e4d$3518eed0$ac00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061212124217.8lye50eo9oasg4sg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:25:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Shoulder-strap-less Tudors? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d93afb6e-ddd2-441d-8916-5a9fd0bcbe8c X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457F48B8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:26:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I'm almost positive someone posted a link about this on here, sometime in the past year or so.... Someone made or was in the process of planning an early/mid 16thC gown (probably c1540s) with a neckline so wide that they just eliminated the shoulder strap part of the bodice entirely. Can anyone remember the topic/link? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 19:34:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD0Ya3X003805 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:34:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD0YR1F000769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:34:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD0Xc6n041072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:33:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD0XaqZ077317; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:33:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep06.xtra.co.nz (fep06.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.240]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD0XU5I077006 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:33:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from michaela ([125.238.123.100]) by fep06.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20061213003317.ZLMM29801.fep06.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:33:17 +1300 Message-ID: <006a01c71e4e$4961d860$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:33:12 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=18% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39441628-87e1-491a-9372-46191e4f4380 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457F4A93.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:34:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO <> Not unless she's carrying the baby around groin level! Many portraits of this time show the same effect. SG the problem with the links is that I suspect you have your email set to html/rich text not plain text and all urls are thus automatically turned into links. You should be able to fix the settings, we can in hotmail for instance and hotmail is part of MSN. Plain text is the format most mailing lists prefer anyway. Michaela http://glittersweet.com (I'd give a guide to changing the format but I don't have an msn email address so I'm not sure if the layout is the same for hotmail. You should be able to see when you reply/create an email an option to turn off rich text editing though. I think it would be near the top.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 19:37:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD0b8G4003875 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:37:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD0b2Qp006570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:37:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD0aOmZ041442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD0aOaI079775; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51307.mail.yahoo.com (web51307.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBD0aKjE079640 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:36:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 51535 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2006 00:36:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Nk+Rff8u4oXSQOA2CugadXCgttTOmPekosdDS4liQRogdppi5alOUZ7f0CsQ0uLRtKf6Z122uhjdYpEZ6wOuIIJp8g3hUvWxwhWFstQvLssr9I08DmmrgwGli0N9VuplLr1lw84CGnP59JrZCDHPJ6GB4enin2/XCHq/IEuE+Ac= ; Message-ID: <20061213003614.51533.qmail@web51307.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7Qbkp0sVM1nXH_bUDbz7widctluKA5bB7d0GLchptwBf1oFxaMjLUppzx3aI5fxJheXupKBSIxA1BcZvSNldiMcbmJa9tC5D2O0ZHHHZw183ZqCirF4HojXPEY1IrVEGS83tQv0SBSZfDek- Received: from [69.177.224.102] by web51307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:36:14 PST Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:36:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Is she pregnant or not? opinions! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7ff3d96-4782-4f7f-b6d0-92390e993fd1 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457F4B2E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:37:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I vote not pregnant/ There's a famous self-portrait of 'the artist and his wife' of the same time period, where the lower corset does the exact same thing, but after a trim waist. And can I find the thing? None of these are it, but here are pictures showing the style: "Sir Anthony Van Dyck -- Double Portrait of the Painter Frans Snyders and his Wife" and another where the bodice matches the skirts "Portrait of a Married Couple" and: "HALS, Frans Portrait of a Woman c. 1611" and: "RUBENS, Pieter Pauwel Portrait of Marchesa Brigida Spinola Doria 1606" These were all found trawling the Web Gallery of Art, searching on text of portrait, with the dates 1601-1650, and medium of painting. Ann in CT --- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I just sat down to start drafting the underpinnings > for this gown > http://www.saragrace.us/images/GoldenAge/PAM_PICS/Overall.JPG > and all of a sudden realized the gown does not seem > symmetrically round. > > Doesn't this seem much further out in the front than > everywhere else? > > Do you think she is pregnant? > Seems a little low for pregnancy. > > Thanks! > > Sg ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? 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Try it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 19:39:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD0dhE9003950 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:39:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD0dcI4018825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:39:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD0dAjQ042036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:39:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD0d6S9082407; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:39:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBD0d064082179 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:39:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 62792 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2006 00:38:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.161.113 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2006 00:38:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mxs5qEIVM1mbGo9XWOuWH2Xc01Tj.26ld184fSL8g.TXchAz_SXiNTy6TDfiMXIbRTSyqnn5pqL7Idjm1pTU5doCrmx48uE9faWibO9P9eY1alajiy9rWGY- Message-ID: <003601c71e4f$0c75e0d0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:38:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 108568ce-c20b-4d09-af7c-3d29d7263483 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457F4BCA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I spent a space of time this AM trying again to grapple with the problem...with QEWU and Hunnisette open before me...and the doll/maninqin with the garment pieces . I understand what you suggest about the idea of an open sleeveless robe. This was my first idea. After reading Hunnisette and her design for the film with Glenda Jackson, I see that her design was compromised by reason of budget.And that she holds the interpretation of the "red" to be an additional skirt incorperating the gold tissue as is described by Arnold in QEWU. Very confusing! My interpretation begins with an interesting bolt of ribbonweave fabric from the 1950s. The weave is in an appropriate scale for the doll size. I have made the components of the style using Hunnisette drawings, as well as Arnold and Waugh. I made both the Hunnisette farthingale and supportingbum-roll I edged all these pieces including the long hanging sleeves with tiny bonded rope pearls. After sewing a few rosettes directly on the gown, decided that appliques of jeweled rosettes would be more effective. For the purpose, I sprayed a piece of vintage itallian lace gold and jeweled these for the focal pieces with tiny freshwater pearls and ruby crystal beads...to be alternated in placement on the outward face of the gown. So far, so good...as soon as I can make the final decisions about the plague-d hanging sleeve. All instruction ideas so far favor the gown sleeve to be set into the hanging sleeve, and inserted into the bodice. This seems to be what Hunnisette did. To do otherwise will probably be a variant as to the painting evidence. I am intrigued with your comments about the 'whiteness' of the "real background".... KSM ---- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves > Subject: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves > >>I am working out the problems of interpreting the Darnley Dress for my QEI >>14" doll. At first, I thought I was looking at a sleeveless coat >>be set to give a cape effect. On closer examenation, I see that this is >>actually a hanging sleeve...born out by Waugh, Arnold, and Hunnisett. I >>have worked out the shape and cut but am having problems with the set. In >>order for the unity of the skirt , bodice and sleeve that bear the >>ornamentation, I can only achieve the look by inserting the hanging sleeve >>outside in. This means that the lining will actually be the outside >>fabric. > > Kathleen, > Yes, I have done something very much like the Ditchely dress, with a > whole lot less beading. The specific gown I was copying was the > Eleanor Powis portrait at Powis castle. I believe what you are seeing > in the Ditchley portrait is two garments. One is a dress (bodice & > skirt) in the French style. Over it, is an open robe or loose gown. > See the Isham or Verney open gowns for styling, cut & construction. > > If you get out the National Portrait Gallery catalog (or peruse the > web for a big color version) you'll see that the "background" visible > between Elizabeth's underarm, bodice & sleeve are white like the gown > & sleeves, not blue-gray like the left-half sky or black like the > right-half sky. > >>Another small query, what is the visible red one can see throught >>the space beneath the left arm? This was originally why I thought I >>was seeing this "Cape". > > My guess, and I'm no expert, the "red" with all the pleating is the > back of the skirt seen in shadow, while the white/gray triangle above > the red is the interior of an open robe. When I drape my open robe > over the drum I get a bit of squnch back there that looks like pooling > water instead of rayed pleats. Admittedly, I'm looking at a 6x9" color > photo, not the real portrait. > > Some contemporary portraits with the open robe: > Eleanor Herbert Lady Powis - unknown artist - Castle Powis > Pregnant lady in White - Marcus Gheerarts c1595 > Sarah Blount, Countess Leicester > Unknown Lady - W Segar 1595 > > Some contemporary garments -- open robe: > V&A museum Isham gown > The Verney gown (JArnold PoF) > > I also think that there are drum farthingale-style gowns with the > double sleeve; dont get me wrong. The main dancing lady in the Bal > for the Duc de Joyeuse is wearing just such a gown. See also > Elizabeth I by John Bettes. > >>Has anyone else attempted this dress "for real"? I have turned the >>backside >>of the shoulder area backwards so the gathers of the shoulder look like >>the >>painting...and will tack them downover the silk lining, but the lining is >>still exposed in all its plainess. I have been unable to find any >>explanation of how this was done. > > When I did my "tawney sarceonet" gown for a drum farthingale I chose > to make my sleeves removeable & interchangeable. Then I made the open > robe separately. The sleeves on the robe are also removeable. I can > wear two sleeves laced together into one armseye. (There's lacings & > eyelets in a band that goes halfway 'round the armseye (e.g. from the > pectoral, over the shoulder to the shoulder blade). My hanging > sleeves are shorter like Pfaltzgrafin Dorothea so I can sit at dinner > & not have boorish men stepping on my sleeve. > > This seems like a ridiculous amount of work for so tiny a doll, but > for me, and I'm a little taller, it worked pretty well and I can wear > the robe, several gowns and lots of sleeves, foreparts & stomachers in > a variety of ways. > > Think of it as an Elizabethan cruisewear emsemble. > > To get the Ditchley look, I would unlace & remove the sleeves from the > open robe. I'd lace the "Phoenix" style sleeve and hanging sleeve > pairs onto the bodice. Put on the drum, forepart, skirt & bodice. > Pin up skirt ruffles. Toss open robe over the top & pull sleeves > gentle thru the armseyes of the robe. Sweep the body of the coat > backwards over the skirt. Mine is overly heavy. I'd skip the lining > or use a lighter weight silk satin next time. Heh, like I'll redo it. > There's so many more gowns to make. > > My interpretation can be found here: > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hysteria95126/my_photos > You should be able to find the two garments shown separately. > The album is: Costume Brag Book > This is the detailed link as Yahoo sends it out. > http://new.photos.yahoo.com/album?c=hysteria95126&aid=576460762366662489&pid=&wtok=TbrHsiVpa7SfF7Kkcus0iw--&ts=1165960865&.src=ph > Look for the Ivory robe & giant square supportasse. > > Your doll sounds like it will be a work of art. Cant wait to see photos! > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 20:41:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD1fEk3005721 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:41:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD1fA2B006267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:41:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD1eTqg051299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:40:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD1eN2q038292; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:40:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD1eKBt038242 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:40:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1GuJ6Y3V6M-0005JO; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:40:20 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c71e57$a0ac8f80$6700a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <009601c71daf$5f4d9230$6700a8c0@momlaptop><3586f5070612120453w5ba38c9fq641e240fa3fea368@mail.gmail.com> <20061212122920.h4501424r9lwwsc8@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about a book Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:40:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=30% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b9c041e9-5f65-4f42-8744-eaa5ef907fb0 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457F5A36.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:41:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Susan, My book is the 2005- fourth edition and has a white cover. When I first it was our textbook title last spring, I thought "Oh. no!" Why even make the students buy it. I would have had to supplement the older editions a lot. Then I went through newer edition and found a lot more references to events in fashion history and designers. I really think the book is worth the price if they are going to take more than one costume history class. I can understand in a community college setting not paying that high of price for a textbook. Others who are teaching costume or fashion history... what level is your class taught? Mine is a 300 level. I ask because I earned an AA Fashion degree in what was now a community college. When I transferred to a senior college, some of my fashion classes wouldn't transfer because they needed to be taken at a senior college 300 & 400 level. I had this happen at the university where I teach at and University of New Mexico. I even had to repeat a consumerism class taken at UNM because it wasn't taken at the proper level. It was such a pain in the butt taking classes over because they weren't taken at the proper level... and the waste of money. Susan, what are you doing at Uof T? Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 20:42:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD1gKT0005748 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:42:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD1gHqr011549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:42:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD1g1tZ051608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:42:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD1g0OC039683; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:42:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD1fuHx039572 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:41:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c05.bf94cac (14501) for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:41:45 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:41:42 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=4% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 96d26764-789c-4887-9ad5-ebc822c447d3 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457F5A79.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 13/12/2006 00:13:53 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > > Doesn't this seem much further out in the front than everywhere else? > > > > Do you think she is pregnant? > > Seems a little low for pregnancy. It's hard to say. The shaping is incredibly common in other portraits of the same time. Hip padding was around at the time - so it could be that, continued over the belly. But then again, it is perfectly possible that it's the painting just isn't very well drawn. It's also quite likely that she would be pregnant (thank the lord I'm alive now!!). It's also possible that she's trying to look as though she were pregnant - it's been fashionable more than once or twice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 20:50:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD1oaXD006175 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:50:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD1oW4h013050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:50:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD1o3ap052821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:50:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD1o1l6046049; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:50:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (88.d2.1343.static.theplanet.com [67.19.210.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD1nvEo045957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:49:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GuJFv-0007y5-QD; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:50:00 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:49:59 -0500 Message-ID: <20061212204959.4c1bkizh4p28k4gk@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:49:59 -0500 From: "Susan B. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 11:25 AM Subject: [h-cost] Shoulder-strap-less Tudors? > I'm almost positive someone posted a link about this on here, sometime in > the past year or so.... Someone made or was in the process of planning an > early/mid 16thC gown (probably c1540s) with a neckline so wide that they > just eliminated the shoulder strap part of the bodice entirely. Can > anyone remember the topic/link? > > -E House This webiste http://photos.ladybrooke.com/sca/gowns/velvetgown/gettingstarted.htm is a strapless Tudor gown, it is not an uncommon theory on Tudor construction her finished product does look good except for the bumroll under the skirt which just doesn't fit with the smooth Tudor look. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 21:13:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD2DcNI006692 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:13:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD2DZMp024298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:13:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD2DB7i055908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:13:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD2D5hQ064323; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:13:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD2CDUb063609 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JA60057MWS5YZC0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:12:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:12:03 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] question about a book In-reply-to: <001201c71e57$a0ac8f80$6700a8c0@momlaptop> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c539c482-0c64-4632-bd0c-8a44dba545d5 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457F61CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:13:38 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I am teaching Fashion History I in an AA program. I realy dislike the Totura book and its CD. When I showed one of the CD sections to my students one pipes up "There are no costume pictures in this." I can't remember the chapter, but several were like that. I found that I would prep 15 to 20 hours per week to do my own Powerpoint the first time I taught the class. It was a pain, but worth it. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:40 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about a book Susan, My book is the 2005- fourth edition and has a white cover. When I first it was our textbook title last spring, I thought "Oh. no!" Why even make the students buy it. I would have had to supplement the older editions a lot. Then I went through newer edition and found a lot more references to events in fashion history and designers. I really think the book is worth the price if they are going to take more than one costume history class. I can understand in a community college setting not paying that high of price for a textbook. Others who are teaching costume or fashion history... what level is your class taught? Mine is a 300 level. I ask because I earned an AA Fashion degree in what was now a community college. When I transferred to a senior college, some of my fashion classes wouldn't transfer because they needed to be taken at a senior college 300 & 400 level. I had this happen at the university where I teach at and University of New Mexico. I even had to repeat a consumerism class taken at UNM because it wasn't taken at the proper level. It was such a pain in the butt taking classes over because they weren't taken at the proper level... and the waste of money. Susan, what are you doing at Uof T? Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 21:16:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD2GvYa006774 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:16:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD2Gsh1026188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:16:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD2GPxG056303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:16:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD2GObF066923; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:16:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD2GKb9066808 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:16:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.d0d.47aa960 (32915) for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:16:10 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:16:08 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about a book To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 rep=5% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0452b12c-0354-47cd-b957-a6e8248914a3 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457F6296.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:16:57 -0500 (EST) Status: RO It is a shame that Russell is out of print, but it has its flaws, too. IMHO, there is no one really good history of costume text out there. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 21:32:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD2WCeP007140 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:32:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD2W9hG002804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:32:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD2VS4d058149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:31:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD2VQ2D078148; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:31:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD2VMT5078025 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:31:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m115.in-tch.com [216.166.191.115]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id kBD2IT516733 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:18:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002b01c71e5f$f3134040$73bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oh boy oh boy Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:39:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5f9e76ca-9af9-41c4-96d3-2556a5d1fe5c X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457F6629.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:32:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Which "that" sound is it making? And Happy Chanukah, by the way....When my gift arrives, I'm going to save it until the 21st (Yule). --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:28 PM Subject: [h-cost] Oh boy oh boy > > My holiday exchange gift just arrived. I haven't yet opened it, but I know > roughly what it is -- only one thing in the world makes *that* sound when > you shake it. > > Friday is the first night of Chanukah, which is my family's holiday, so > I'm going to open it then, so there. I want it right now! > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 22:18:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3HxIY008365 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:18:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD3HtoN032098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:17:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD3HBgY064153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:17:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3H1JC013691; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:17:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3Go23013489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:14189 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GuKc3-00009B-TA for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:16:56 -0600 Message-ID: <472b01c71e65$1e9b1a80$ac00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061212124217.8lye50eo9oasg4sg@www.goldsword.com><471f01c71e4d$3518eed0$ac00a8c0@compaqub> <009701c71e5a$47b56a70$5fddf4dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shoulder-strap-less Tudors? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:18:00 -0500 (EST) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" > http://photos.ladybrooke.com/sca/gowns/velvetgown/gettingstarted.htm is a > strapless Tudor gown, it is not an uncommon theory on Tudor construction > her finished product does look good except for the bumroll under the skirt > which just doesn't fit with the smooth Tudor look. Thank you! That's the site I was thinking of. I'm planning to make this: http://www.nationalgalleries.org/collections/artist_search.php?objectId=4764 and am flirting with the idea of a strapless design. I have plenty of evidence of gowns from this era with shoulder straps, with a much lower incidence of gowns that look strapless, but this one definitely falls into the strapless camp. If only all my lovely back-view shots weren't of the strapped version.... (Or, maybe the strapless versions look strapped from behind! Hrm.) -E "Ooo! lots of pleating!" House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 22:27:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3RPmD008602 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:27:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD3RGYf005247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:27:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD3QixU065458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:26:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3QgRt021255; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:26:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.107]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3QdtU021134 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:26:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.92]) by bay0-omc1-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:26:33 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:26:33 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.138.123 by by133fd.bay133.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:26:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com In-Reply-To: <20061212231908.53496.qmail@web23414.mail.ird.yahoo.com> From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:26:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2006 03:26:33.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D0B79B0:01C71E66] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a724e47f-27bb-4ca5-a21d-c6a501d0e39f X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457F7314.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:27:20 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Okay, maybe I am not understanding. Yes, the "bumper pads" all the way around don't seem unusual. i.e. this is a "French Farthingale" - no rigid frame, but like the infamous characature of the women about masks and farthingales. Maybe I am not understanding the comments, (not just Nicole's) but this one appears like she is protruding extremely in the front but not at the hips....who knows what's going on with her backside...... Am I missing what you are saying? Sg >From: N Kipar >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your >opinions! >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:19:08 +0000 (GMT) > >I don't think she is, unless every other woman of this period who wears her >fashionable clothes in the same way, is pregnant on portraits. I have many >examples amongst my files that look just like this one. > >Nicole > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Saragrace Knauf >To: h-costume >Sent: Tuesday, 12 December, 2006 11:00:47 PM >Subject: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! > > >I just sat down to start drafting the underpinnings for this gown >http://www.saragrace.us/images/GoldenAge/PAM_PICS/Overall.JPG >and all of a sudden realized the gown does not seem symmetrically round. > >Doesn't this seem much further out in the front than everywhere else? > >Do you think she is pregnant? >Seems a little low for pregnancy. > >Thanks! > >Sg >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 22:35:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3ZlvN008834 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:35:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD3ZhIY009968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:35:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD3ZEUb066366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:35:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3ZCBd027266; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:35:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3Z8rO027214 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:35:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1GuKtd2qrA-0005J0; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:35:06 -0500 Message-ID: <004501c71e67$a94d03d0$6700a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <009601c71daf$5f4d9230$6700a8c0@momlaptop><3586f5070612120453w5ba38c9fq641e240fa3fea368@mail.gmail.com><20061212122920.h4501424r9lwwsc8@www.goldsword.com><001201c71e57$a0ac8f80$6700a8c0@momlaptop> <20061212204959.4c1bkizh4p28k4gk@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about a book Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=29% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c66e6d2-5323-4629-9633-9eb288609f33 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457F750F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 22:38:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3cStW008905 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:38:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD3cNYF012498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:38:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD3c51v066805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:38:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3c4K5029269; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:38:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3c1rg029217 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:38:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1GuKwS0UcH-0000In; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:38:01 -0500 Message-ID: <004901c71e68$11972a60$6700a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about a book Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:37:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=29% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8f99812-cf9e-4f9e-bc99-6afe4cde07a9 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457F75AF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 22:42:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3gMts009006 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:42:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD3gJOM029189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:42:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD3fo1U067443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:41:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3fmrO032102; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:41:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (88.d2.1343.static.theplanet.com [67.19.210.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3fibd032046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:41:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GuL08-00055z-SV; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:41:48 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:41:48 -0500 Message-ID: <20061212224148.ychv39qz0hwg0cs8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:41:48 -0500 From: "Susan B. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Quoting Penny Ladnier : > Susan, > > Kudos for you! WOW! What work! > > I am trying to remember if you are the person I am thinking of... did > you used to work at a small museum in North Carolina? I remember a > lady on the list that used to be there and told me about the wagon > train trails. I am doing some research into the textile mills in SC in > the next county. This person was just across the state line. > > Was that you? 'Fraid not. I've never lived in NC -- although I am putting in for some jobs there ..... Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 22:51:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3pjW0009266 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:51:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD3pfvk019026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:51:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD3pEP6068794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:51:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3pCeQ039053; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:51:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD3p9QN038998 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:51:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1GuL9A2BKz-0005HE; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:51:09 -0500 Message-ID: <005701c71e69$e735ca90$6700a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <009601c71daf$5f4d9230$6700a8c0@momlaptop><3586f5070612120453w5ba38c9fq641e240fa3fea368@mail.gmail.com><20061212122920.h4501424r9lwwsc8@www.goldsword.com><001201c71e57$a0ac8f80$6700a8c0@momlaptop><20061212204959.4c1bkizh4p28k4gk@www.goldsword.com><004501c71e67$a94d03d0$6700a8c0@momlaptop> <20061212224148.ychv39qz0hwg0cs8@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about a book Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:50:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=29% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a29614f2-a0bf-4b43-a674-edc79462304d X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457F78CD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:51:45 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Susan, Oh, well. I remember that you have been on the list a long time. Good luck with your job hunting. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 23:02:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD42QFd009592 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:02:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD42NCi024416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:02:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD42215070131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:02:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD4209v046858; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:02:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (88.d2.1343.static.theplanet.com [67.19.210.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD41vnE046821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:01:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GuLJi-0003KC-3f; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:02:02 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:02:02 -0500 Message-ID: <20061212230202.2khapo1awc00488g@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:02:02 -0500 From: "Susan B. 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Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 23:26:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD4Qr5n010198 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:26:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD4Qo89004837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:26:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD4QCHh073234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:26:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD4QAod063457; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:26:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4k.socket.net [216.106.88.209]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD4Q62l063409 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:26:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D7653373FD for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:26:05 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:26:19 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] construction ? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0aafe34e-7433-437b-a028-bccb63239e63 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 457F810A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:26:53 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Anyone have an idea as to how the blue on the plastron is constructed? Is it a section on material that has a wee bit of gather in the center and clipped on the sides? http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/l/p-liotard2.htm De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 23:34:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD4Yk1x010429 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:34:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD4YgFO009450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:34:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD4YDqN074230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:34:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD4YCSK068735; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:34:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (88.d2.1343.static.theplanet.com [67.19.210.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD4Y7pC068664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:34:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GuLon-0001EK-U7; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:09 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:34:09 -0500 Message-ID: <20061212233409.r3omcni3580o44kk@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:34:09 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] construction ? 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She's wearing a Mickey Mouse Watch ....." *blink* going to bed now. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 12 23:55:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD4tIxp010941 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:55:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD4tEoa022156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:55:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD4sfa8076217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:54:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD4sbIq081922; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:54:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD4sYe0081836 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:54:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.229.49]) by bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:54:28 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:54:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.229.220 by by110fd.bay110.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:54:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.254.119.34] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20061212233409.r3omcni3580o44kk@www.goldsword.com> From: "Becky Rautine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] construction ? Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:54:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2006 04:54:28.0433 (UTC) FILETIME=[C50BAC10:01C71E72] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ded009f5-1ea6-488b-bfbf-e123a6e52d25 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457F87B2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:55:18 -0500 (EST) Status: RO It looks similar to the lacing of a Venetian costume of earlier period. The ribbon would have been silk during this period. SO... I think it looks like a wide silk ribbon has been woven through some kind of small loop, then folded back over it to the other side. The width of the ribbon seems to be wide at the turn then narrow where it comes to the side, then wider back across. Just a guess but it looks like that to me. Very similar to how silk roses are folded. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: "Susan B. Farmer" Reply-To: Historical Costume To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] construction ? Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:34:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by bay0-mc6-f17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:35:19 -0800 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD4YNvP074252(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK);Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:34:24 -0700 (MST)(envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD4YCSM068735;Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:34:15 -0700 (MST)(envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (88.d2.1343.static.theplanet.com[67.19.210.136])by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD4Y7pC068664(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT)for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:34:11 -0700 (MST)(envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52)id 1GuLon-0001EK-U7; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:09 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (HordeMIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:34:09 -0500 X-Message-Info: txF49lGdW43OLNgW/qhd6pCQAbk/e6+iWWSOdmmmYwM= References: User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse,please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php/usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Return-Path: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2006 04:35:19.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[1883A6C0:01C71E70] Quoting otsisto : >Anyone have an idea as to how the blue on the plastron is constructed? >Is it a section on material that has a wee bit of gather in the center and >clipped on the sides? >http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/l/p-liotard2.htm > You know it's *really* late when you look at that painting and the *first* thought that goes through your brain is, "Oh, look. She's wearing a Mickey Mouse Watch ....." *blink* going to bed now. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601&tcode=wlmtagline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 00:10:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD5A5iU011292 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:10:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD5A2BL031717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:10:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD59P5v077789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:09:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD59Mfs091745; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:09:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD59IQu091635 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:09:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C78DB47D3 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:08:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <457F8B04.7010000@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:09:24 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 53a57649-60f2-4f62-8cbb-483fbf841af4 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457F8B2A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Cin wrote: > >> Another small query, what is the visible red one can see throught >> the space beneath the left arm? This was originally why I thought I >> was seeing this "Cape". > > > My guess, and I'm no expert, the "red" with all the pleating is the > back of the skirt seen in shadow, while the white/gray triangle above > the red is the interior of an open robe. When I drape my open robe > over the drum I get a bit of squnch back there that looks like pooling > water instead of rayed pleats. Admittedly, I'm looking at a 6x9" color > photo, not the real portrait. I disagree, I don't think there is an open robe over the gown. What I see in QEWU and the online images is a white gown with an open red overgown. (Pardon me if my terms are wrong). If you look at the bottom of the hanging sleeve on the viewer's left you can see the red which is also visible under the left arm, this is what's on the "back" of the sleeve. The same red is visible on the right of the bodice, just behind the pearls, and it's visible as a red overskirt in the space under her arms. Or maybe I should say she is wearing a red gown with an elaborate white stomacher and petticoat which match her sleeves and the lining of her oversleeves. If you look at the copies of the Ditchley portrait which are on the following pages (44-47) in QEWU you can see it even better. The grey background under her arms looks like the same grey that is used above her head, but then my image sources may not be color-tuned correctly. The red is very clear to me though. Sorry, I can't help you with the set of the sleeves. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 01:43:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD6hWLO013631 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:43:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD6hSBd001822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:43:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD6gibw088186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:42:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD6gdYW063918; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:42:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nlpi001.sbcis.sbc.com (nlpi001.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD6gSxC063749 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:42:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) X-ORBL: [69.107.85.153] Received: from [192.168.1.102] (adsl-69-107-85-153.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.85.153]) by nlpi001.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD6fx2K017016 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:42:04 -0600 Message-ID: <457FA0C5.4080401@frys.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:42:13 -0800 From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2c68953-0ad2-45c3-89d0-85b4eda3ced9 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457FA110.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >> Do you think she is pregnant? >> Seems a little low for pregnancy. I'd say she wasn't. Most of the images of these dresses show women in the same shape as this one, and I don't believe every one of them was painted during pregnancy. BTW, I made one of these once. In mine I looked pretty much like she does in hers, and I wasn't the least bit pregnant at the time. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 04:57:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD9vStn023280 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:57:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBD9vLsV012528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:57:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBD9u8wu015794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 02:56:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD9u3sN017527; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 02:56:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD9u0G6017479 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 02:56:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.223.230]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JA700A59I8NAKA6@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:55:53 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:55:31 -0500 From: "Helen Pinto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <027401c71e9c$d504edf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00cf01c71be0$076f7e00$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> <005701c71d34$86079fe0$8443a150@CPQ21932199711> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1651e9e-6ba4-43ff-9338-e5eb0db250d9 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457FCE82.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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You'll just have to have all the pictures... -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 05:16:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDAGH89027187 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:16:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDAGEZs019881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:16:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDAFWvD018457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:15:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDAFVft032840; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:15:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr.tzo.com (omr.tzo.com [64.27.166.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDAFRnu032716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from [76.186.80.34] (helo=softwareinnovation.com) by omr.tzo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GuR90-0001UR-71 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:15:22 -0500 Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:11:18 -0600 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] construction ? Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:15:21 -0600 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <008101c71e9f$9906c6e0$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2757 In-Reply-To: <20061212233409.r3omcni3580o44kk@www.goldsword.com> Thread-Index: AccecIPQCJhRRjogSz+cI1lRoMr52QALomuw X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2006 10:11:18.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[07E8D040:01C71E9F] X-Antivirus-Scanner: ClamAV - No Detected Virus, though you should still use a Local Antivirus on your computer. X-Scanned-By: Tzolkin-Scanner X-Scan-Server: CH3-LNX2 X-Tzolkin-OMR-Domain: softwareinnovation.com X-Tzolkin-OMR-IP: 76.186.80.34 X-Tzolkin-Update: 1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a68cb565-6cdb-41af-9d01-b2d9165758bc X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 457FD2EE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Had a quick peek- looks like the blue front is a wide ribbon tracing an ascending "figure 8" path, with a bit of ease to make it look puffy, or maybe it is lightly stuffed after/as it is sewn down? Mostly a guess on my part- this dress is _so_ not my period. HTH, Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:34 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] construction ? Quoting otsisto : > Anyone have an idea as to how the blue on the plastron is constructed? > Is it a section on material that has a wee bit of gather in the center and > clipped on the sides? > http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/l/p-liotard2.htm > You know it's *really* late when you look at that painting and the *first* thought that goes through your brain is, "Oh, look. She's wearing a Mickey Mouse Watch ....." *blink* going to bed now. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 07:00:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDC0Ddp017837 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:00:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDC09am026203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:00:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDBxRbH033966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:59:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDBxN5I022478; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:59:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDBxJic022349 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:59:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.140.96]) by bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:59:14 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:59:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.140.123 by by135fd.bay135.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:59:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:59:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2006 11:59:13.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B89D8B0:01C71EAE] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4cf6f06f-7c66-420d-8dc7-ac3770ba883e X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 457FEB49.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:00:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO She has the same shape my dolly does when i have the wheel farthingale and outfit on her. I think it's just the style of the underpinnings Kelly An insolent reply from a polite person is a bad sign. Hippocrates (c.460-c.370 bc), Greek physician >From: "Saragrace Knauf" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "h-costume" >Subject: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:00:47 -0700 > >I just sat down to start drafting the underpinnings for this gown >http://www.saragrace.us/images/GoldenAge/PAM_PICS/Overall.JPG >and all of a sudden realized the gown does not seem symmetrically round. > >Doesn't this seem much further out in the front than everywhere else? > >Do you think she is pregnant? >Seems a little low for pregnancy. > >Thanks! > >Sg >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Enter the "Telus Mobility Xbox a Day" contest for your chance to WIN! Telus Mobility is giving away an Microsoft Xbox® 360 every day from November 20 to December 31, 2006! Just download Windows Live (MSN) Messenger to your IM-capable TELUS mobile phone, and you could be a winner! http://www.telusmobility.com/msnxbox/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 08:42:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDDgWuf022881 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:42:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDDgQ0n027335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:42:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDDfc0a050711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:41:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDDfXAQ009582; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:41:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBD65qCW037679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:05:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id kBD65g7G008379 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:05:49 -0500 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:12:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <62548.72.13.239.193.1165990360.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:12:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] construction ? From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8aa21c15-4c03-40ba-99bd-e03c84f26590 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45800342.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:42:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO It looks to me like a stomacher, with the blue ribbon as an applied decoration. The ribbon is not functional. The gown closes by pinning it to the stomacher, and the ruching would hide the pins nicely. So to construct it, make a stomacher and noodle around with the ribbon until it looks nice. I've seen stomachers with ribbon applied criss-cross (faux lacing), and this just looks like a much fatter ribbon being used. -Carol > Anyone have an idea as to how the blue on the plastron is constructed? > Is it a section on material that has a wee bit of gather in the center and > clipped on the sides? > http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/l/p-liotard2.htm > > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 09:01:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDE1oFS023521 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:01:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDE1l58010497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:01:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDE0xTb053958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDE0vCT027965; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:00:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta16.adelphia.net (mta16.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.211]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDE0rsG027827 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:00:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@adelphia.net) Received: from VAIO ([76.179.128.239]) by mta16.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20061213134429.SZYY9721.mta16.adelphia.net@VAIO> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:44:29 -0500 Message-ID: <004901c71ebf$0dc3c8b0$020fa8c0@VAIO> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00cf01c71be0$076f7e00$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO><005701c71d34$86079fe0$8443a150@CPQ21932199711> <027401c71e9c$d504edf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:00:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 14116686-e42f-44b9-b89c-0a78f3882650 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 458007CB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:01:50 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Dear Helen/Aidan, I would love any scans of the early 1800's. I am sorry for your computer problems. I had a bout myself what with Norton stashing emails in a previously undiscovered folder, and an ink cartridge that insists that it's been improperly installed. Computers...they should all be consigned to the deep. Thank you! Do you need postage? Marjorie PS. You might want my address. It's PO Box 31, East Poland, Maine 04230 Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net Creating a Circa 1798 - 1805 Empire Gown http://marjoriegilbert.net/album_30_028.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin > Trying to send the scans took down Outlook and crashed the computer > (Microsoft is blaming Norton, who's blaming Verizon, who's blaming > Microsoft, and so on). Everything is restored except for a few e-mails. > > We're going to do this the old-fashioned way. If you want the scans, send > me your mailing address and I'll send you one of the CD's I made > while on perpetual hold with customer support tonight. You'll just have > to have all the pictures... > > -Helen/Aidan > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 09:49:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDEnbgG024941 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:49:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDEnUe9022380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:49:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDEld9E062942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:47:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDElZOw075008; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:47:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDElRYl074790 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:47:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061213144721.UHIQ6996.fep34.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:47:21 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.113]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061213144721.XQIQ26664.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:47:21 +0100 Message-ID: <004501c71ec5$96777430$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:47:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.164.110.113] at Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:47:15 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] is she pregnant or what X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf592182-3ac7-499e-b401-113893d76771 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 458012FA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO She is not pregnant, as Kipar says, i have also seen many many fotos with this fashion. It is simply the look wich was fashionable then. Bjarne I just sat down to start drafting the underpinnings for this gown http://www.saragrace.us/images/GoldenAge/PAM_PICS/Overall.JPG> and all of a sudden realized the gown does not seem symmetrically round. Doesn't this seem much further out in the front than everywhere else? Do you think she is pregnant? Seems a little low for pregnancy. Thanks! Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 09:54:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDEsaIN025118 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:54:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDEsVHv017194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:54:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDErXQA063674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:53:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDErWDc080877; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (88.d2.1343.static.theplanet.com [67.19.210.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDErNoG080741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:53:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GuVU0-0005Ym-Gf; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:53:20 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:53:20 -0500 Message-ID: <20061213095320.r17wfoxzmo004cso@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:53:20 -0500 From: "Susan B. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:54:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting Carolyn Kayta Barrows : >>> Do you think she is pregnant? >>> Seems a little low for pregnancy. > > I'd say she wasn't. Since it might be useful to compare to a pregnant woman ..... Here's a painting that's just a tad earlier where Margharite *is* pregnant http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/gonzalez_MargheritaAustria.jpg jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 09:57:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDEva5D025206 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:57:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDEvRZq027465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:57:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDEpVxJ063450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:51:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDEpUXr078924; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:51:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDEowr3078311 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:51:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061213145052.UFIT18132.fep30.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:50:52 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.113]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061213145052.XQED18380.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:50:52 +0100 Message-ID: <005601c71ec6$17104a90$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gack! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi, Its the stomacher wich is unususually in shape, its longated with shaping to lie over a padded roll wich goes all way round the waist. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! > In a message dated 13/12/2006 00:13:53 GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > >> >> > Doesn't this seem much further out in the front than everywhere else? >> > >> > Do you think she is pregnant? >> > Seems a little low for pregnancy. > > It's hard to say. > > The shaping is incredibly common in other portraits of the same time. > > Hip padding was around at the time - so it could be that, continued over > the > belly. > > But then again, it is perfectly possible that it's the painting just isn't > very well drawn. > > It's also quite likely that she would be pregnant (thank the lord I'm > alive > now!!). > > It's also possible that she's trying to look as though she were pregnant - > it's been fashionable more than once or twice. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 10:03:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDF3tlM025429 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:03:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDF3l79024609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:03:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDF2XTN065375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:02:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDF2UFt090387; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:02:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDF2KtG090162 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061213150215.UPGA7960.fep33.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:02:15 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.113]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061213150214.XQJR18380.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:02:14 +0100 Message-ID: <008201c71ec7$ad8554b0$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <62548.72.13.239.193.1165990360.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] construction ? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:03:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi I think its just the ribbon wich has ben cut to pieces, then the ends is turned back and its stitched in the middle of the ribbon to the stomacher. Interresting with that blue collour! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] construction ? > It looks to me like a stomacher, with the blue ribbon as an applied > decoration. The ribbon is not functional. The gown closes by > pinning it to the stomacher, and the ruching would hide the pins > nicely. > > So to construct it, make a stomacher and noodle around with the > ribbon until it looks nice. > > I've seen stomachers with ribbon applied criss-cross (faux lacing), > and this just looks like a much fatter ribbon being used. > > -Carol > > >> Anyone have an idea as to how the blue on the plastron is constructed? >> Is it a section on material that has a wee bit of gather in the center >> and >> clipped on the sides? >> http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/l/p-liotard2.htm >> >> De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 10:53:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDFqnIV026942 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:52:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDFqh6T028236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:52:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDFniN2073744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:49:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDFncge040914; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:49:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDFnTeo040695 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:49:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 8CB552E8188 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:48:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 3812B2E8325 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:48:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02113 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:49:27 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:49:25 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! Thread-Index: AccexvB3XOfhaNpoQnmdXguNRQbM0QABZoAg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=48% Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kBDFnTeo040695 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b57fb551-ee90-4f86-954b-c04af317b476 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 458021CB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO It could be that the wearer is pregnant and it looks like the stomacher and maybe the bodice is cut to allow this. Probably laced so, which the surcoat would cover any gaps in the stomacher/bodice lacing. Or it could be she is wearing the latest fad in stomachers. During the 15th century, there are portraits, brasses, and drawings where high-waisted gowns not only made women look pregnant(see the Antirfoni{sorry spelling!))Marriage but women are often depicted posed as if they were. Pregnancy was a desirable state to be painted in as most women who could afford to be painted were pregnant. Since women couldn't just whip out to the mall or buy a prepproduced pattern, they adapted what they had in their wardrobes. Colonial Williamsburg has a three-piece ensemble that could be worn before, during and after pregnancy with drawstrings and adjustable lacing. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 12:13:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDHDMPc028978 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:13:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDHDIIA008897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:13:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDHBL6O089325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:11:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDHB92I042192; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:11:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.239]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDHB5xi042017 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:11:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i7so148206wra for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:10:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qKOl5q1LCCXcDQlW+vOvf0NlCp6FGXaF8fAxvQSFZtqJQOEsWrgiJzgaJUPnSH9lGsjGqR3aniX6updjyiKpC+vl0rd/Vuvp3CeC+07+xbWgvEB/1D5Kj3kBklz8EA6F5hwpE/SCEpytgXFtuWh1Wnsib21L9z8bHd+335iCDx8= Received: by 10.90.72.10 with SMTP id u10mr965891aga.1166029859026; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:10:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.51.6 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:10:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0612130910u162ce6b3ma24c89217f3fe4f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:10:58 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin In-Reply-To: <004901c71ebf$0dc3c8b0$020fa8c0@VAIO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00cf01c71be0$076f7e00$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> <005701c71d34$86079fe0$8443a150@CPQ21932199711> <027401c71e9c$d504edf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> <004901c71ebf$0dc3c8b0$020fa8c0@VAIO> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4c08ed1e-223d-4ee2-ac07-04a87ff5d324 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 458034AE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:13:22 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi Helen/Aiden, Yes, I agree with Marjorie on the computer stuff. Working from one platform to another is often frustrating. My first question when I read your message was, does she need postage. Do you? My address: Lynn Downward 442-48th Street #B Oakland, CA 94609 On 12/13/06, Gilbert wrote: > Dear Helen/Aidan, > > I would love any scans of the early 1800's. > > I am sorry for your computer problems. I had a bout myself what with Norton > stashing emails in a previously undiscovered folder, and an ink cartridge > that insists that it's been improperly installed. Computers...they should > all be consigned to the deep. > > Thank you! Do you need postage? > > Marjorie > > PS. You might want my address. It's PO Box 31, East Poland, Maine 04230 > Marjorie Gilbert > author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England > www.marjoriegilbert.net > Creating a Circa 1798 - 1805 Empire Gown > http://marjoriegilbert.net/album_30_028.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Helen Pinto" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:55 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Met Museum Bulletin > > > > Trying to send the scans took down Outlook and crashed the computer > > (Microsoft is blaming Norton, who's blaming Verizon, who's blaming > > Microsoft, and so on). Everything is restored except for a few e-mails. > > > > We're going to do this the old-fashioned way. If you want the scans, send > > me your mailing address and I'll send you one of the CD's I made > > while on perpetual hold with customer support tonight. You'll just have > > to have all the pictures... > > > > -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 12:30:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDHUCMT029438 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:30:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDHU7Js025204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:30:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDHS5YU092898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:28:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDHS094063248; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:28:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2a.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDHRobH062967 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:27:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 43AF433E45 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:27:48 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] construction ? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Thank you, everyone. I had a brain f@rt and said plastron and not stomacher. :P I think the ribbon in figure eights is what it probably is. Bjarne, here is a painting of the woman's husband in the same blue. http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/l/p-liotard3.htm They're Swiss, so the watch humor was even more humorous to me. :) Thank you, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 13:35:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDIZtfi031308 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:35:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDIZpvk006519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:35:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDIYV5r004792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:34:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDIWSEm042454; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:32:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao02.charter.net (mtao02.charter.net [209.225.8.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDIVBgY040492 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:32:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fox3785@charter.net) Received: from aa03.charter.net ([10.20.200.155]) by mtao02.charter.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061213183041.BFLZ1323.mtao02.charter.net@aa03.charter.net> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:30:41 -0500 Received: from familyroom ([71.10.244.96]) by aa03.charter.net with ESMTP id <20061213183041.GCUD22789.aa03.charter.net@familyroom> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:30:41 -0500 From: "The Foxes" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:30:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c71ee4$cc5e5720$0302a8c0@familyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f828943b-5740-4f6c-a1c6-16c7197b50da X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45804807.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Just my 2 cents :) -annette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 14:25:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDJP8Fl032352 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:25:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDJP4Ze009468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:25:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDJIl29011786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:18:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDJIilL000821; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:18:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDJIZer000470 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:18:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061213191829.FDIU26394.fep31.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:18:29 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.113]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061213191828.XWEK119.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:18:28 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c71eeb$78fd6a10$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] construction ? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:25:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi again, His shirt buttons are even more interresting to me. Its dorset buttons ( linnen thread buttons). Wich i have on mine two. Could this collour be a trick for the pastel collours. Its just the same blue as the wifes, and its a very vivid blue. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 6:28 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] construction ? > Thank you, everyone. I had a brain f@rt and said plastron and not > stomacher. > :P I think the ribbon in figure eights is what it probably is. > Bjarne, here is a painting of the woman's husband in the same blue. > http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/l/p-liotard3.htm > They're Swiss, so the watch humor was even more humorous to me. :) > > Thank you, > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 14:38:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDJbvQL032608 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:38:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDJbpcY008756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:37:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDJZuWg015400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:35:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDJZnJi022964; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:35:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDJZYLh022491 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:35:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061213193529.LUTP18132.fep30.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:35:29 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.113]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061213193528.XVYP10241.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:35:28 +0100 Message-ID: <001901c71eed$dd6191f0$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gack! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Another portrait, similar in style, but a little later, She has the same kind of bodice-peplum and stomacher, but the roll is not as big as the other one posted. This is a replika from a larger portrait, where she is with 3 of her daughters and a son, the girls wear same type of dress as the mother. It is Kirsten Munk, the wife of Christian IV of Denmark. http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/asp/person/BigPicPage.asp?PersonID=25&countryID=1&PersonTypeID=6 Painted 1620ies. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! > > It could be that the wearer is pregnant and it looks like the stomacher > and maybe the bodice is cut to allow this. Probably laced so, which the > surcoat would cover any gaps in the stomacher/bodice lacing. Or it could > be she is wearing the latest fad in stomachers. During the 15th century, > there are portraits, brasses, and drawings where high-waisted gowns not > only made women look pregnant(see the Antirfoni{sorry > spelling!))Marriage but women are often depicted posed as if they were. > Pregnancy was a desirable state to be painted in as most women who could > afford to be painted were pregnant. > > Since women couldn't just whip out to the mall or buy a prepproduced > pattern, they adapted what they had in their wardrobes. Colonial > Williamsburg has a three-piece ensemble that could be worn before, > during and after pregnancy with drawstrings and adjustable lacing. > > Cindy Abel > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 15:01:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDK15Ta000677 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:01:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDK12Q8006839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:01:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDJspYe018485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:54:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDJsiJ0046988; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:54:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDJsNfL046472 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:54:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so147898nzf for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:54:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=sF9KUBJ9mUgMCBRnowAa8Xc0nqGj6nz6avwdz/PkaA5QSrDw7tuPauhcL2oCaUrYg2VcmAmRpirqGUHWqp7LdFN1sYIscEN71XeTO4IjiPOzOIM5sdc9475OP8E8EGNs+gTKzmuRr/pAxY6JycziKQ/TZQQBL6DEJyPC6w6vKvw= Received: by 10.35.91.10 with SMTP id t10mr2384901pyl.1166039679673; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:54:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.51.11 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:54:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590612131154t22758d0dgb3fcf6e989a3646b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:54:39 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Christian IV of Denmark was: Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e09f538-1938-4c71-974b-f368494732af X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45805BFE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:01:06 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On 12/13/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Another portrait, similar in style, but a little later, She has the same > kind of bodice-peplum and stomacher, but the roll is not as big as the > other > one posted. This is a replika from a larger portrait, where she is with 3 > of > her daughters and a son, the girls wear same type of dress as the mother. Bjarne, I know I could probably find this if I dug, but I thought you might know or can get this info a little easier... Do you know the names of the daughters and approx year of birth? There is a doll reported to have belong to one of these girls and I was wondering if it might be possible to get a better guess which one it was... thanks alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 15:47:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDKloe1001703 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:47:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDKlk55018456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:47:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDKkgFR025999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:46:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDKkdF4010043; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:46:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDKkZ6q009971 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:46:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so156871pyb for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:46:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XXwrEFN49BdZS9SrW6CYlzslEMyrTwdUraB8jdWDuoomvy1sTeZF/8UmMbhLzluc9+ujENg/DBjU3S8T8yn0KXzx55iJIEY49rHJGp7YzHAj0JcloMgXRMoAnOSfKBx2uOviMI0cvI3NJS3BQRTk3SFEAYRMB/NEbJXXS4KCQNY= Received: by 10.35.129.19 with SMTP id g19mr39185pyn.1166042795126; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.51.11 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:46:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590612131246t2c2414f2n5b219302be3d4165@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:46:35 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian IV of Denmark was: Gack! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO It wasn't a painting that I was thinking of, but the so called fashion doll in QEWU that I was thinking to be credited to one of Christian's daughters, dated about 1598 iirc. I'll have to go look at that again, because if this portrait is dated to 1620, then it's not these girl's toy... Maybe Christian's sister? Did he have one or more sisters? thanks alex On 12/13/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi Alex > Are you sure its the same picture? > I know a certain portrait from same period where the girls are holding > dolls > in their hands, but its not the same portrait. > In this portrait they have no dolls. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/kirstenmunk.htm > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexandria Doyle" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:54 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Christian IV of Denmark was: Gack! Is she pregnant or > isshe not? Need your opinions! > > > > On 12/13/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> > >> Another portrait, similar in style, but a little later, She has the > same > >> kind of bodice-peplum and stomacher, but the roll is not as big as the > >> other > >> one posted. This is a replika from a larger portrait, where she is with > 3 > >> of > >> her daughters and a son, the girls wear same type of dress as the > mother. > > > > > > Bjarne, > > > > I know I could probably find this if I dug, but I thought you might know > > or > > can get this info a little easier... Do you know the names of the > > daughters > > and approx year of birth? There is a doll reported to have belong to > one > > of > > these girls and I was wondering if it might be possible to get a better > > guess which one it was... > > > > thanks > > alex > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 15:51:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDKpNUH001802 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:51:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDKpKVL020641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:51:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDKePs3024990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:40:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDKeKjP002622; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:40:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDKeEZf002426 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:40:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061213204008.OWAR7960.fep33.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:40:08 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.113]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061213204008.XXOV20909.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:40:08 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c71ef6$e21084f0$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <870801590612131154t22758d0dgb3fcf6e989a3646b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian IV of Denmark was: Gack! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi Alex Are you sure its the same picture? I know a certain portrait from same period where the girls are holding dolls in their hands, but its not the same portrait. In this portrait they have no dolls. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/kirstenmunk.htm Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] Christian IV of Denmark was: Gack! Is she pregnant or isshe not? Need your opinions! > On 12/13/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >> Another portrait, similar in style, but a little later, She has the same >> kind of bodice-peplum and stomacher, but the roll is not as big as the >> other >> one posted. This is a replika from a larger portrait, where she is with 3 >> of >> her daughters and a son, the girls wear same type of dress as the mother. > > > Bjarne, > > I know I could probably find this if I dug, but I thought you might know > or > can get this info a little easier... Do you know the names of the > daughters > and approx year of birth? There is a doll reported to have belong to one > of > these girls and I was wondering if it might be possible to get a better > guess which one it was... > > thanks > alex > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 17:49:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDMnE04004632 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:49:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBDMnAxi023237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:49:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBDMmRZu044100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:48:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDMmInC052980; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:48:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBDMmArL052851 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:48:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so172914nzf for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:48:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Vqr37CtOaMsz4LWApv+G0/9ECp9IND0J5hOyWchxdYbJ0RTti3+6vdHKVyYHEPvxA98JwYFE3clgeyKNzIFolny2rHkKjhvfV+hFoxMNrfL1JcWFd46qmb+m0R8xh2xnqS5R0niZmo7cumdqM4/ouveQNeB1OeaROMIXXC+Ie3o= Received: by 10.65.236.18 with SMTP id n18mr215763qbr.1166050089293; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.196.1 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:48:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:48:08 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8643fabb-4e34-49d2-b828-2838158ed1c9 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45808366.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >I spent a space of time this AM trying again to grapple with the >problem...with QEWU and Hunnisette open before me...and the doll/maninqin >with the garment pieces . I understand what you suggest about the idea of >an open sleeveless robe. This was my first idea. After reading Hunnisette >and her design for the film with Glenda Jackson, I see that her design was >compromised by reason of budget.And that she holds the interpretation of the >"red" to be an additional skirt incorperating the gold tissue as is >described by Arnold in QEWU. Very confusing! Kathleen, That's sad to see what is supposed to be an outrageously cool dress cut back for budget reasons. Second skirt *that* far back on the body? In one of the few pictures with multiple views, Bal at the court of Henri III, 1581, you can see that there are only single layered skirts. Yeah, yeah, different country, I'm off by a few years, yadda, yadda... but the Ditchley is allegorical. And in allegory anythng is fair game. Sure lots of other ladies had openings in the skirt front, but they arent wearing them *that* far open in the portraits. It seems almost lewd to do so. (Oh dear, the closet Victorian has gotten out!) It's an interesting possibility, and an excellent excuse for a more elaborate or even scenic forepart. I'll be on the lookout for something that indicates a wider gap, but for now, all the really wide foreparts seem to be wide because they were added onto in later periods (e.g. the 18th c) and reused. For the shape of the hanging sleeve, have you looked at some of the transparent, probably gauze, sleeves. I find it easier to see the cut since you can see the back edge & gathers thru the front of the sleeve. There's a c1600 unknown lady hanging at the NY Met. "Portrait of a noblewoman" is the unhelpful title. Her sleeve is very ruffled. These hanging sleeves extend pass the lower edge of the 3/4 portrait. There's another Unknown Lady by an unknown artist, c.1603, at Cowdray Park. I think JArnold shows here in QEWU (I dont have it handy) and it's in "The Embroiderer's Art". She's got pyramids or obelisks embroidered on the border of her skirt. Her gauze or lace sleeves hang to the floor. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 21:49:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBE2np7C009782 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:49:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBE2nlSG007277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:49:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBE2mtXX079539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:48:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBE2mkhL079859; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:48:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBE2mgPO079735 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:48:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JA8000YKT4W44O0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:48:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:48:31 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] question about a book In-reply-to: <004901c71e68$11972a60$6700a8c0@momlaptop> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 67f02190-e27d-4289-9961-01e789d8bbf2 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4580BBCB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi Penny-- If you contact the publisher (Fairchild) and you are using the book as a class text, they will send you the instructors CD and Quiz book. Most people don't know about them, but I am here in NYC the "Land of Fashion". Periodically the publishers do a book fair at our school. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:38 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about a book Monica, What is on the CD? My book didn't come with the CD. I guess the previous owner kept it. 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Isn't that a miniature (portrait)? --Ruth Anne -----Original Message----- >From: otsisto >Sent: Dec 13, 2006 12:28 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: RE: [h-cost] construction ? > >Thank you, everyone. I had a brain f@rt and said plastron and not stomacher. >:P I think the ribbon in figure eights is what it probably is. >Bjarne, here is a painting of the woman's husband in the same blue. >http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/l/p-liotard3.htm >They're Swiss, so the watch humor was even more humorous to me. :) > >Thank you, >De > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Dec 13 22:18:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBE3Iefo010736 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:18:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBE3IbAb017481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:18:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBE3I8Wd084182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:18:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBE3I7oG005793; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:18:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBE14TsL089703 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:04:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 83227 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2006 01:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.245.25 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2006 01:04:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: k83NaToVM1mFQVyR8g2QiL4SIIkRErsyfREAi7pFVZuspphVLhpv5zf48qwjIX_3D_lKUg9SLJPO.S6ezavMSWO74ID93KoSM3aty4oLwq_CZElUHa0_aCg- Message-ID: <006501c71f1b$c62d63f0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <457F8B04.7010000@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:04:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2304611b-f270-4e8d-a39e-ef9dbdeff448 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4580C28D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:18:40 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Re the possible use of a white gown (or parts) over red, Hunnisette does give this as one explanation in her discussion of making this gown up for ERI. For myself. I haven't seen any color copy that has the proper resolution to make this same theory. I have been working with all the photos I can find, including*pages 44-47 in QEWU. After fiddling around with my little mock-ups, I have had some further success by following Cindy Able's directions . Not 100%, but better. Thank you all for your inputs. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves > Cin wrote: > >> >>> Another small query, what is the visible red one can see throught >>> the space beneath the left arm? This was originally why I thought I >>> was seeing this "Cape". >> >> >> My guess, and I'm no expert, the "red" with all the pleating is the >> back of the skirt seen in shadow, while the white/gray triangle above >> the red is the interior of an open robe. When I drape my open robe >> over the drum I get a bit of squnch back there that looks like pooling >> water instead of rayed pleats. Admittedly, I'm looking at a 6x9" color >> photo, not the real portrait. > > I disagree, I don't think there is an open robe over the gown. What I see > in QEWU and the online images is a white gown with an open red overgown. > (Pardon me if my terms are wrong). > > If you look at the bottom of the hanging sleeve on the viewer's left you > can see the red which is also visible under the left arm, this is what's > on the "back" of the sleeve. The same red is visible on the right of the > bodice, just behind the pearls, and it's visible as a red overskirt in the > space under her arms. > > Or maybe I should say she is wearing a red gown with an elaborate white > stomacher and petticoat which match her sleeves and the lining of her > oversleeves. If you look at the copies of the Ditchley portrait which are > on the following pages (44-47) in QEWU you can see it even better. > > The grey background under her arms looks like the same grey that is used > above her head, but then my image sources may not be color-tuned > correctly. The red is very clear to me though. > > > Sorry, I can't help you with the set of the sleeves. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 14 00:14:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBE5E1Rb013876 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:14:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBE5DtCa018892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:14:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBE5D3wd000277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:13:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBE5D0Sg003651; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:13:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2a.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBE5CtTj003578 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:12:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 102CC33E2C for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 23:12:55 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] construction ? 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Isn't that a miniature (portrait)? --Ruth Anne -----Original Message----- >They're Swiss, so the watch humor was even more humorous to me. :) > >Thank you, >De > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 14 00:33:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBE5XgFA014339 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:33:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBE5Xcln019372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:33:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBE5X89O002300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:33:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBE5X7EY018731; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:33:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2a.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBE5Wx1i018632 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:33:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C9140342B9 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 23:32:58 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] construction ? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO The period is just a passing interest so I don't know much about it but I think I have seen this bright of blue in either an embroidery piece or a piece of material from roughly that period but I can't remember where or when. I have been focusing on ceramics of late and when searching the web I come across these sort of things and file them in my mind. I am planning on modifying Simplicity 4092, the gold dress "A". I periodically look for ideas for the stomacher area and liked the blue design in the picture. De -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 1:18 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] construction ? Hi again, His shirt buttons are even more interresting to me. Its dorset buttons ( linnen thread buttons). Wich i have on mine two. Could this collour be a trick for the pastel collours. Its just the same blue as the wifes, and its a very vivid blue. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 6:28 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] construction ? > Thank you, everyone. I had a brain f@rt and said plastron and not > stomacher. > :P I think the ribbon in figure eights is what it probably is. > Bjarne, here is a painting of the woman's husband in the same blue. > http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/l/p-liotard3.htm > They're Swiss, so the watch humor was even more humorous to me. :) > > Thank you, > De > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 14 07:59:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBECxmP1024206 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:59:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBECxgm4013177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:59:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBECwYJQ057502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 05:58:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBECwTLt070945; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 05:58:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.mx.voyager.net (mail1.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBECvp07070457 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 05:58:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mdcarey@compuserve.com) Received: from mdcarey (d150.as0.cntn.oh.core.com [216.196.3.151]) by mail1.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id kBECuTPt085662 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:57:50 -0500 (EST) From: mdcarey@compuserve.com To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:52:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <458102CF.24763.18B9AB91@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200612111717.kBBHGnfB039392@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Blue police boxes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 701906d8-3caf-4286-bc6c-c816af0aa720 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45814ABE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:59:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Kate Bunting said: > Police telephone boxes no longer exist at all;... They may no longer be using them, but as of my 2002 trip to London, there were still a few around. I was utterly delighted to find that there was one on the sidewalk at the spot where Astral Tours told me to await my ride for my Stonehenge tour! Smiling at the memory, Maria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 14 08:43:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBEDh1jW025825 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:43:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBEDgwWg016082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:43:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBEDdbtq062830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:39:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBEDdXN7007646; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:39:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBEDd3eE007128 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:39:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.150.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.150]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Guqne-0006ms-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:39:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] construction ? Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:39:02 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2fe728b4-82df-40ee-8443-495a297a4574 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 458154E2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Thanks--the Mickey Mouse remark was in an e-mail I had skipped over. I reacted that fast because when I directed and costumed The Rivals, my Lydia Languish wore her lover's miniature on a chain around her neck and tucked into the bosom of her gown (in one scene she takes it off and throws it at said lover, with appropriate remarks)--and when I saw the miniature on this lady's wrist I thought, "Dang, that would have looked cool on Lydia!" By the way, I'm so glad both of these portraits were posted. They look like kind people and a very happy couple, don't they? --Ruth Anne On Dec 14, 2006, at 12:13 AM, otsisto wrote: > Someone mentioned that they knew they were tired when they thought > the portrait bracelet was a Mickey Mouse watch. > De > > -----Original Message----- > Watch? Isn't that a miniature (portrait)? > --Ruth Anne > > -----Original Message----- >> They're Swiss, so the watch humor was even more humorous to me. :) >> >> Thank you, >> De >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 14 14:16:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBEJGg2K008970 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:16:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBEJGa34007004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:16:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBEJDSg3023112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:13:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBEJDG5E000397; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:13:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBEJD89k099984 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:13:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061214191300.DONQ11369.fep32.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:13:00 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.113]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061214191300.YPWZ10241.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:13:00 +0100 Message-ID: <003501c71fb3$e3b0a480$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:13:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.164.110.113] at Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:12:58 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Blanche Payne X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f3ccd68-03e1-446e-beb9-2b1e763c3770 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4581A314.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 14 14:21:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBEJLM2T009134 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:21:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBEJLJTC013539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:21:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBEJIDx1023747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:18:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBEJI9hM005617; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:18:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBEJI38G005338 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:18:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061214191757.LRYQ7960.fep33.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:17:57 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.113]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061214191757.YQVL18380.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:17:57 +0100 Message-ID: <003901c71fb4$95086c40$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:18:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.164.110.113] at Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:17:55 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] V&A weddingdress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6ac1fce-3ea5-460e-84d2-fbc3537317a3 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4581A42F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:21:22 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi, Many of you may know the white satin weddingdress wich is in Norah Waughs Cut of Womens Clothes. A Robe Francaise with intricate puffs pleatings as decoration in the under and overskirt. This dress has tape ties in the back section with the watteau pleats. I just wondered if any here have seen any pictures where a francaise dress is lifted up in the back with these tapes? I am just wondering because i am starting a new projekt in the new year with a francaise dress, and my client would like to have this opportunity to lift up the train. I dont recall to have seen any pictures where this is shown. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 14 14:44:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBEJirtD009624 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:44:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBEJinZE029472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:44:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBEJc9uI027959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:38:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBEJc5m8030337; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:38:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBEJbw4T030161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:38:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id kBEJb9Pa000402 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:37:12 -0500 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:44:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50146.72.13.239.193.1166125452.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <003901c71fb4$95086c40$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> References: <003901c71fb4$95086c40$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:44:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] V&A weddingdress From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b351c49-a2a1-4ac3-aa83-5189307af669 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4581A9B1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi Bjarne, We're talking about an 18thC gown, right? I remember talking about this on 18cWoman quite a while back. After much searching, I think someone found one picture of a robe Francaise that was worn this way. Sounds like it was rare, and understandable since it changes the line of the gown. You may want to ask on that list, or e-mail Sue Felshin who has stored all the archives and has a fast searching method on it. -Carol > Hi, > Many of you may know the white satin weddingdress wich is in Norah Waughs > Cut of Womens Clothes. A Robe Francaise with intricate puffs pleatings as > decoration in the under and overskirt. > This dress has tape ties in the back section with the watteau pleats. > I just wondered if any here have seen any pictures where a francaise dress > is lifted up in the back with these tapes? > I am just wondering because i am starting a new projekt in the new year > with a francaise dress, and my client would like to have this opportunity to > lift up the train. > I dont recall to have seen any pictures where this is shown. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 14 18:34:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBENYmk5015732 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:34:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBENYdJT015627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:34:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBENV0Sx067478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:31:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBENUkqO093878; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:30:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1b.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBENUbcm093730 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:30:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 653DB38B5F for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:30:36 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] construction ? Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:30:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ef84b16-6a20-45a1-8d60-49e1301fc8e9 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4581DF8F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Both have personality. His is laid back with a twinkle of mischief. De -----Original Message----- By the way, I'm so glad both of these portraits were posted. They look like kind people and a very happy couple, don't they? --Ruth Anne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 14 19:36:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF0anNN016962 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:36:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBF0ajWN016679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:36:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBF0XJnA079696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:33:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF0XF69055544; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:33:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF0XBde055489 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from msberard@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so689245ugc for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:33:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BIySb4CF5jZMNuWPf16CM3LqsBuzTnrqCwLB3l+k7cdYBDZd3yjzRI/r8gWVPzBjBSzeJpJ8Ty9tkeVDAdvQai7wllJot1x+/78koiNS4DxLSj6cCaxyl6CyCnD42jDBvuuvYQcZgFFiDRpjZ+pr4KyfoZVXzgkTYF+0NAlXvXM= Received: by 10.67.106.3 with SMTP id i3mr200042ugm.1166142790797; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.27.1 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:33:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:33:10 -0600 From: "Onaree Berard" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: fiber in paper In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200612111717.kBBHGnfA039392@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ec6a350-e9be-41cb-8a47-98e73af94f40 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4581EE1D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:36:49 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On 12/11/06, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > I remember the television program "Connections" from my youth saying that > after the Black Plague paper production soared because of the huge > quantities of linen available from dead people. I don't know if that's > really true. > > Gail Finke Actually it was the survivors spending their inheritace and when they (the linen) wore out it was perfect for the printing industry thus the bone man became the rag and bone man or something to that effect. Onaree -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 14 19:56:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF0uetv017480 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:56:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBF0uaHA016666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:56:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBF0qpZ8084276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:52:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF0qoxD076027; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:52:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBEFVXpT019858 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:31:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061214153127.RDZZ26394.fep31.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:31:27 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.113]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061214153127.YLXJ18380.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:31:27 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c71f94$edf07c50$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <870801590612131154t22758d0dgb3fcf6e989a3646b@mail.gmail.com><000401c71ef6$e21084f0$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> <870801590612131246t2c2414f2n5b219302be3d4165@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian IV of Denmark was: Gack! Is she pregnant orisshe not? Need your opinions! Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:31:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.164.110.113] at Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:31:25 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d5d65efa-686e-4b0b-8eb0-76349541bacb X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4581F2C4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:56:40 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi, It could still be a daughter to Christian IV, he was married before with a lady from Germany, her name was Anne Cathrine, she died early in 1604 i think but had 2 sons and 2 daughters with the king, but only one of the boys survived childhood. Is it the doll from Livrustkammaren in QEWU ? that is a swedish doll, not danish. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian IV of Denmark was: Gack! Is she pregnant orisshe not? Need your opinions! > It wasn't a painting that I was thinking of, but the so called fashion > doll > in QEWU that I was thinking to be credited to one of Christian's > daughters, > dated about 1598 iirc. I'll have to go look at that again, because if > this > portrait is dated to 1620, then it's not these girl's toy... Maybe > Christian's sister? Did he have one or more sisters? > > thanks > alex > > On 12/13/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >> Hi Alex >> Are you sure its the same picture? >> I know a certain portrait from same period where the girls are holding >> dolls >> in their hands, but its not the same portrait. >> In this portrait they have no dolls. >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/kirstenmunk.htm >> >> Bjarne >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alexandria Doyle" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:54 PM >> Subject: [h-cost] Christian IV of Denmark was: Gack! Is she pregnant or >> isshe not? Need your opinions! >> >> >> > On 12/13/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >> >> >> Another portrait, similar in style, but a little later, She has the >> same >> >> kind of bodice-peplum and stomacher, but the roll is not as big as the >> >> other >> >> one posted. This is a replika from a larger portrait, where she is >> >> with >> 3 >> >> of >> >> her daughters and a son, the girls wear same type of dress as the >> mother. >> > >> > >> > Bjarne, >> > >> > I know I could probably find this if I dug, but I thought you might >> > know >> > or >> > can get this info a little easier... Do you know the names of the >> > daughters >> > and approx year of birth? There is a doll reported to have belong to >> one >> > of >> > these girls and I was wondering if it might be possible to get a better >> > guess which one it was... >> > >> > thanks >> > alex >> > _______________________________________________ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 14 19:59:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF0wxqN017526 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:58:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBF0wubW029497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:58:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBF0si2a085064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:54:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF0sh5x078535; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:54:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBEJnBPk043578 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:49:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.117]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061214194901.SWLF4563.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:49:01 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.117]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061214194900.LSRJ4808.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:49:00 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20061214134458.030089c0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:48:01 -0600 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Subject: [h-cost] New book 14th C Italy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e81bff76-1f0d-4b6d-8bc7-19f6f4d589e1 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4581F350.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:59:00 -0500 (EST) Status: RO After all the talk about books that are delayed in publication, I thought that I'd mention one that I've just got in today. Has anyone else seen it? Beth Gilding the Market: Luxury and Fashion in Fourteenth-Century Italy by Susan Mosher Stuard 336 pages | 6 1/8 x 9 1/4 | 14 color, 10 b/w illus. Cloth Dec 2005 | ISBN 0812239008 http://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/14208.html "In the fourteenth century, garish ornaments, bright colors, gilt, and military effects helped usher in the age of fashion in Italy. Over a short span of years important matters began to turn on the cut of a sleeve. Fashion influenced consumption and provided a stimulus that drove demand for goods and turned wealthy townspeople into enthusiastic consumers. Making wise decisions about the alarmingly expensive goods that composed a fashionable wardrobe became a matter of pressing concern, especially when the market caught on and became awash in cheaper editions of luxury wares. Focusing on the luxury trade in fashionable wear and accessories in Venice, Florence, and other towns in Italy, Gilding the Market investigates a major shift in patterns of consumption at the height of medieval prosperity, which, more remarkably, continued through the subsequent era of plague, return of plague, and increased warfare. A fine sensitivity to the demands of "le pompe," that is, the public display of private wealth, infected town life. The quest for luxuries affected markets by enlarging exchange activity and encouraging retail trades. As both consumers and tradesmen, local goldsmiths, long-distance traders, bankers, and money changers played important roles in creating this new age of fashion. In response to a greater public display of luxury goods, civic sumptuary laws were written to curb spending and extreme fashion, but these were aimed at women, youth, and children, leaving townsmen largely unrestricted in their consumption. With erudition, grace, and an evocative selection of illustrations, some reproduced in full color, Susan Mosher Stuard explores the arrival of fashion in European history." ============================================= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 14 20:00:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF10Pix017570 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:00:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBF10Moe030436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:00:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBF0v0kM085829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:57:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF0uwgN081303; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:56:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF0usYh081136 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:56:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.210] (sjs-130-65-37-210.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.210]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBF0ulYa010285 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:56:48 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <200612111717.kBBHGnfA039392@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8082100A-A20C-41F1-AE29-5AAD48598D68@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: fiber in paper Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:56:45 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 036a9a4a-87f3-4e3b-988d-fe22daad8189 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4581F3A6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:00:25 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Dec 14, 2006, at 4:33 PM, Onaree Berard wrote: > On 12/11/06, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >> I remember the television program "Connections" from my youth >> saying that >> after the Black Plague paper production soared because of the huge >> quantities of linen available from dead people. I don't know if >> that's >> really true. >> >> Gail Finke > > Actually it was the survivors spending their inheritace and when they > (the linen) wore out it was perfect for the printing industry thus the > bone man became the rag and bone man or something to that effect. On the other side of the equation, mummy wrappings were (for a time) a popular source of cloth for rag paper. 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Hoaxes & Urban Legends: http://urbanlegends.about.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 14 20:55:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF1tXJE019005 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:55:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBF1tPtf028074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:55:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBF1phi8098180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:51:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF1pbq9033611; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:51:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF1pQGB033454 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:51:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.177.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.177] helo=faucet.net) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gv2EP-0006lt-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:51:26 -0500 Message-ID: <45820D89.1040400@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:50:49 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] V&A weddingdress References: <003901c71fb4$95086c40$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=19% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 09fc338a-266c-4ccd-8e2e-4aff9fe09c20 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4582008D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:55:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi Bjarne, There are robes a la Francaise that are shown tucked up polonaise-style into the pockets, like http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/his/CoreArt/art/resources/bou_lat.jpg Tapes would give a similar effect, just more formal. Melanie Schuessler Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Many of you may know the white satin weddingdress wich is in Norah > Waughs Cut of Womens Clothes. A Robe Francaise with intricate puffs > pleatings as decoration in the under and overskirt. > This dress has tape ties in the back section with the watteau pleats. > I just wondered if any here have seen any pictures where a francaise > dress is lifted up in the back with these tapes? > I am just wondering because i am starting a new projekt in the new year > with a francaise dress, and my client would like to have this > opportunity to lift up the train. > I dont recall to have seen any pictures where this is shown. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Dec 14 23:58:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF4w2jf023969 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:58:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBF4vxuF021426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:58:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBF4uYJH025923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:56:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF4uHdg079471; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:56:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF4uEjY079440 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:56:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01210 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:41:48 -0600 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:41:48 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book 14th C Italy In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20061214134458.030089c0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e779cdc4-e83e-46df-856d-839c78823006 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45822B57.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:58:03 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > After all the talk about books that are delayed in publication, I thought > that I'd mention one that I've just got in today. Has anyone else seen it? > > Beth > > Gilding the Market: Luxury and Fashion in Fourteenth-Century Italy by Susan > Mosher Stuard 336 pages | 6 1/8 x 9 1/4 | 14 color, 10 b/w illus. Cloth Dec > 2005 | ISBN 0812239008 > http://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/14208.html We have a review of it in our upcoming volume of MC&T. Our reviewer liked it. It apparently has a social/economic focus but uses everything from sumptuary laws to visual arts as sources. Yet another great resource for people studying Italian clothing ... after Moda i Firenze, Dressing Renaissance Florence, and so many others. I picked the wrong part of Europe to focus on, apparently. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 01:19:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF6J75u025990 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:19:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBF6IxuE018983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:19:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBF6Gxr7036060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF6GoQ0036921; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:16:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.239]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF6Gh73036825 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so387975nzf for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:16:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=nS2n3CYaqwCq/Apbvzl3hjAhpq6U7UfvCcW1CtW7GMq+GYJ0lNxQOVsvh12FjmOda/fnk+leC+uRQ990rTA9PSqe5E4jvwBD4eQajqSYhCCuHOTRrkk++Tx4O7gnUYI4TQasrSlIurOkQpUQkmIcKMIn2ANkJ70ht9oZmt6egT8= Received: by 10.64.185.7 with SMTP id i7mr618244qbf.1166163401481; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.196.1 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:16:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:16:30 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 06be35e3-0406-4610-8561-326e61704d0f X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45823E53.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >> My guess, and I'm no expert, the "red" with all the pleating is the >> back of the skirt seen in shadow, while the white/gray triangle above >> the red is the interior of an open robe. When I drape my open robe >> over the drum I get a bit of squnch back there that looks like pooling >> water instead of rayed pleats. Admittedly, I'm looking at a 6x9" color >> photo, not the real portrait. > If you look at the bottom of the hanging sleeve on the viewer's left you > can see the red which is also visible under the left arm, this is what's > on the "back" of the sleeve. The same red is visible on the right of the > bodice, just behind the pearls, and it's visible as a red overskirt in the > space under her arms. > Dawn Funny, I see this same red as the shadow of the sleeve, robe, etc, not as a second skirt. I needed another reason to go back to the UK! Dawn, arent you going soon? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 03:17:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF8GvdM019265 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 03:17:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBF8GrJa029916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 03:16:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBF8EgY9050498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF8EbFs022571; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF8EVU7022479 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:14:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A7D2228E0490; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:07:46 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] V&A weddingdress Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:14:28 -0800 Message-ID: <00ef01c72021$0a7926b0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <003901c71fb4$95086c40$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kBF8EVU7022479 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc8b38c2-6e3d-4f76-844e-cfabbc20ee59 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 458259F5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I remember seeing a gown that could be tied up as you describe. It was online, being sold last(?) year. There was some discussion on this site that it wasn't completely authentic, that it had been perhaps re-made or altered. Sorry, that's all I remember. Maybe someone saved the picture. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:18 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] V&A weddingdress Hi, Many of you may know the white satin weddingdress wich is in Norah Waughs Cut of Womens Clothes. A Robe Francaise with intricate puffs pleatings as decoration in the under and overskirt. This dress has tape ties in the back section with the watteau pleats. I just wondered if any here have seen any pictures where a francaise dress is lifted up in the back with these tapes? I am just wondering because i am starting a new projekt in the new year with a francaise dress, and my client would like to have this opportunity to lift up the train. I dont recall to have seen any pictures where this is shown. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 03:30:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF8UZN9022306 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 03:30:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBF8UVB5030423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 03:30:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBF8ToYG052644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:29:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF8Tmdt034572; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF8Ti6b034525 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:29:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB6734400506; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:23:03 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] V&A weddingdress Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:29:44 -0800 Message-ID: <00f001c72023$2ce13790$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <003901c71fb4$95086c40$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kBF8Ti6b034525 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a3d6f3a-5452-44b5-ba17-375d020e6a23 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45825D28.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 03:30:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Turns out I saved it. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_238.htm I don't know if this is what you're talking about, but it may help. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:18 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] V&A weddingdress Hi, Many of you may know the white satin weddingdress wich is in Norah Waughs Cut of Womens Clothes. A Robe Francaise with intricate puffs pleatings as decoration in the under and overskirt. This dress has tape ties in the back section with the watteau pleats. I just wondered if any here have seen any pictures where a francaise dress is lifted up in the back with these tapes? I am just wondering because i am starting a new projekt in the new year with a francaise dress, and my client would like to have this opportunity to lift up the train. I dont recall to have seen any pictures where this is shown. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 04:06:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF95w1k025092 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 04:05:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBF95rCn018390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 04:05:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBF95LKd057696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:05:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF95J04059970; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:05:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBF95Fpd059922 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:05:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.17780997; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:05:01 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id kBF94uD12129.; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:05:01 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:04:56 +0000 Message-Id: <4582652702000014000C75D8@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:04:39 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200612150050.kBF0nLWh072075@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200612150050.kBF0nLWh072075@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 781 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ee26937-e4f2-4118-8384-a8eba01d8292 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45826571.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Ruth anne wrote: >Thanks--the Mickey Mouse remark was in an e-mail I had skipped over. >I reacted that fast because when I directed and costumed The Rivals, >my Lydia Languish wore her lover's miniature on a chain around her >neck and tucked into the bosom of her gown (in one scene she takes it >off and throws it at said lover, with appropriate remarks)--and when >I saw the miniature on this lady's wrist I thought, "Dang, that would >have looked cool on Lydia!" A similar bracelet is shown in this Joseph Wright painting which hangs here in Derby - http://www.derby.gov.uk/LeisureCulture/MuseumsGalleries/Sarah_Carver_and_her_daughter_Sarah.htm Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 09:29:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFETYWI005455 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:29:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBFETVW8003007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:29:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBFEQAHe098887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 07:26:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFEQ088004259; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 07:26:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFEPu5M004188 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 07:25:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.176.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.176]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GvE0Z-0001PP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:25:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <8082100A-A20C-41F1-AE29-5AAD48598D68@bovil.com> References: <200612111717.kBBHGnfA039392@net.indra.com> <8082100A-A20C-41F1-AE29-5AAD48598D68@bovil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: fiber in paper Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:25:56 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0d783572-b50a-42b0-b5bb-126ce6ea8c54 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4582B14B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.6, clamav-milter version 0.88.6 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO And the way I remember it, he attributed to rise in paper production to the increased popularity of underwear, esp underbreeches, which meant a lot of discarded soiled linen--with the chamberlye already in, so to speak. --Ruth Anne On Dec 14, 2006, at 7:56 PM, Andrew T Trembley wrote: > On Dec 14, 2006, at 4:33 PM, Onaree Berard wrote: >> On 12/11/06, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >>> I remember the television program "Connections" from my youth >>> saying that >>> after the Black Plague paper production soared because of the huge >>> quantities of linen available from dead people. I don't know if >>> that's >>> really true. >>> >>> Gail Finke >> >> Actually it was the survivors spending their inheritace and when they >> (the linen) wore out it was perfect for the printing industry thus >> the >> bone man became the rag and bone man or something to that effect. > > On the other side of the equation, mummy wrappings were (for a > time) a popular source of cloth for rag paper. At one point, a food- > borne illness outbreak was tracked to butchers using unbleached rag- > paper from mummy wrappings to wrap meat. > > -- > andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen - http://www.bovil.com/ > San Jose, CA - '72 R75/5 '86 R100 (mine) - '92 K75sa '03 R1150R > (Kevin's) > "It's not pink, it's peach-colored. Pink is tacky." > --Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel > > read the FAQ... Ridicule: http://www.idiots-r-us.org/ > read the FAQ... IBMWR: http://www.ibmwr.org/faq-files/ > read the FAQ... AirList: http://www.airheads.org/faq.html > read the FAQ... Hoaxes & Urban Legends: http://urbanlegends.about.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 11:19:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFGJZ2l007792 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:19:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBFGJVTB027935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:19:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBFGG7h8017809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:16:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFGG2Jr019369; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:16:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxv2.wvu.edu (mxv2.wvu.edu [157.182.140.123]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFGFtB3019235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:15:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxv2.wvu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFGFs5r002213 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:15:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:15:54 -0500 Message-Id: <45825F55.6B5F.00A5.0@mail.wvu.edu> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:15:36 -0500 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] H-Cost: Fwd: New Google Patent Search X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f8b26ff-ed5e-461b-b6b7-a19e2bfdeefd X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4582CB13.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hey guys, Try this! There is a new Google search of Patents that is in Beta. I guess they're only U.S patents, but I'm not sure. Anyway, I searched on "corset" and got 835 hits with full technical drawings and many with text descriptions as well! I also tried "Stays"--it got a lot of hits, but not all were dress related. But one was interesting--how to process rawhide into dress stays. Kathy Hoover http://www.google.com/patents _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 11:39:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFGd2Vx008201 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:39:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBFGcvOa021692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:39:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBFGRijQ020045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:27:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFGRfZD032988; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:27:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-36.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFGRPOF032692 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:27:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8060B52BC for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:27:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4582CCFA.5000803@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:27:38 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a3952b5-fbd0-42c9-be4a-50a62a8dc8f8 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4582CFA1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:39:03 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Cin wrote: > > Funny, I see this same red as the shadow of the sleeve, robe, etc, not as a > second skirt. I needed another reason to go back to the UK! Here's some of the copies. What do you think? http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Eliza32.jpg http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Eliza29.jpg http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Elizathanksgiving.jpg > Dawn, arent you going soon? I was there over Thanksgiving. I could use a good excuse to go back, too. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 12:27:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFHR3DC009288 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:27:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBFHQvIN022139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:27:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBFHOji0032875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:24:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFHO9xw099487; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:24:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFFYoRD072978 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:34:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061215153440.ETAO19525.fep33.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:34:40 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.15]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061215153440.ZFZD15028.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:34:40 +0100 Message-ID: <004301c7205e$8cd54430$0f43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00f001c72023$2ce13790$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] V&A weddingdress Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:34:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.67.15] at Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:34:39 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44cd5800-5b7d-4846-9bf2-d190b6dac666 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4582DAE1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:27:03 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi Sharon, Thanks for your help, but this is not the same way i ment to tuck up the skirt in the sides. I just ment its strange that no portrait or painting shows a lady wearing her francaise dress with lifted up back train as in the wedding dress from V&A. It has lift up tapes in the back like a polonaise dress would have, only it is a watteau pleated back. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:29 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] V&A weddingdress > Turns out I saved it. > http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_238.htm > I don't know if this is what you're talking about, but it may help. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:18 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] V&A weddingdress > > > Hi, > Many of you may know the white satin weddingdress wich is in Norah Waughs > Cut of Womens Clothes. A Robe Francaise with intricate puffs pleatings as > decoration in the under and overskirt. > This dress has tape ties in the back section with the watteau pleats. > I just wondered if any here have seen any pictures where a francaise dress > is lifted up in the back with these tapes? > I am just wondering because i am starting a new projekt in the new year > with > > a francaise dress, and my client would like to have this opportunity to > lift > > up the train. > I dont recall to have seen any pictures where this is shown. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 14:41:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFJfSkQ011933 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:41:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBFJfK4A002343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:41:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBFJd8s3055399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:39:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFJcOEY065841; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:38:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep53.mail.dk (fep53.mail.dk [80.160.77.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFJcAdm065572 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:38:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061215172450.LIJT17832.fep34.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:24:50 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.15]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061215172449.ZIGC26664.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:24:49 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c7206d$edfd6800$0f43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4582CCFA.5000803@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:24:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.67.15] at Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:24:45 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 753cd513-e43c-41f6-b3ed-c636ad38861c X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4582FA60.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I could use a good excuse to go back, too. > :) > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 14:44:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFJiwmW012013 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:44:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBFJitHj024657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:44:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBFJd8RN055398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:39:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFJcfG6066137; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai05.charter.net (mtai05.charter.net [209.225.8.185]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFJccTi065996 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:38:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fox3785@charter.net) Received: from aa02.charter.net ([10.20.200.154]) by mtai05.charter.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061215193832.YSHE1323.mtai05.charter.net@aa02.charter.net> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:38:32 -0500 Received: from familyroom ([71.10.244.96]) by aa02.charter.net with ESMTP id <20061215193832.PKHY1463.aa02.charter.net@familyroom> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:38:32 -0500 From: "The Foxes" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:38:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c72080$9ced7960$0302a8c0@familyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <45825F55.6B5F.00A5.0@mail.wvu.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Silk Flowers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: df0e9f1c-53c8-4e9b-8e07-75dcf3402744 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4582FB37.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi, Does anyone know the history of fabric/paper flowers. How early they were made? Thanks if you have any information. Or ideas of how to look to find what I want. Happy Holidays :) -annette _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 14:47:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFJlHr9012082 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:47:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBFJlEY5006107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:47:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBFJjLCF056381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:45:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFJjJoX073647; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:45:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFJjD0x073434 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20061215194507.WVBQ8347.fep35.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:45:07 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.15]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061215194507.ZJHM10241.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:45:07 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c72081$8f3f9f90$0f43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c72080$9ced7960$0302a8c0@familyroom> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Flowers Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:45:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.67.15] at Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:45:05 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1c1dd5a-a59c-4b45-805e-ba91141032c4 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4582FBC2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Or ideas of how to look to find > what I want. > > Happy Holidays :) > > -annette > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 15:08:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFK8vB4012437 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:08:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBFK8rpt006106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:08:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBFK7Olh060293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:07:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFK7JMd099776; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:07:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.90.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBFK79wM099450 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 32107 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2006 20:07:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NuEz1OitV0LmF3b2y448eOK2WM9cQKOgTYbKNbWpi6uaWt9WscSZ0MqAfhv6nSZ66TQB2u5BP8kRs+XC+MLwY3FPvlJNVaxl9bnvlOQpH7pkBfL6xrVlYVYLpthFNZJSY9ezYG3fxJksmYiCqf1qPWzA7g7jqJvdJUu3trrxcCw= ; Message-ID: <20061215200703.32105.qmail@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.212.24.220] by web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:07:03 PST Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:07:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kBFK79wM099450 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2027702d-1f0f-4b50-8410-0a3f3100deac X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 458300D5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO It's been a bit dampish here lately...(mocking grin) and I'm ever so glad that Nick and I went into debt on getting a new roof this year with the wind and rainstorms we've been having. My son has 4 staples in his head from the weather causing an accident at school, but is otherwise ok-and I'll have lots of fence/yard repairs to do, but otherwise we're ok. I have to do this at work, as I have no contact with the outer world at home other than my cell phone. Between that and the problems my baking has been giving me this week, I've come *THIS* close to opening up my pretty purple package from the gift exchange (which arrived 11/23!) instead of waiting until the 23rd for our Yule (Teren goes to his dad's on Xmas Eve for 4 days--we celebrate early instead). Hoping that everyone is fine and enjoying the holidays--I have my Mod books in from the library, and hope to read them on the 25th. Jonnalyhn Wolfcat/ Angharat (very glad she's a SCAdian, and thus has heating and cooking equipment!) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 15:51:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFKp6mf013130 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:51:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBFKp2xn019463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:51:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBFKnAct066339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:49:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFKn3qv046886; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:49:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFKmsxV046689 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:48:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from missdoornink@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so913042wxc for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:48:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:message-id; b=gcvjCe81pv4XH9manBjNQ//3ni8dRmwFKOKvNrHkOMsYsqq5fl9AQ9C/IjBTHjGxOqa06mpTqSbhVmXU0LjPpwVjQV5VYSZOa2bQbfbm1fwdrp3uk/wdJyXq58ZtCoYOsLkB5f9WK2MX/Z9gMYcuZupOkV4F+UHoBpnAyDDTzPk= Received: by 10.70.29.2 with SMTP id c2mr1733394wxc.1166215733348; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:48:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from doorninklaptop ( [71.54.200.155]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i35sm5144356wxd.2006.12.15.12.48.52; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:48:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Elisabeth Doornink" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:48:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AccghSP+To+vGmBvSzee8psL9Zwn0AABKYTg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <20061215200703.32105.qmail@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45830a34.4e2e9338.3c0c.463d@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0045d36c-772b-47c6-8244-4e91e6f4ac51 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45830AB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:51:06 -0500 (EST) Status: RO We had a large rotten maple tree fall on a row boat owned by my cousin, and our power was out for about 30 minutes. But the tree is going to be a huge mess to clean up. We stayed up for hours watching the light show of transformers - and were very thankful that ours is on the ground and we live on a highway that has a main powerline. We were a bit worried, though, because both our septic field and well are uphill from us...water becomes an issue. Yes, we have a creek and the bay in front of us...but still. Very thankful in Poulsbo for power and praying for those who don't! (Your comment about being a SCAdian made me laugh - we're set because my dad kayaks and has tons of gear!) Quia Christus Perpetuo Regnat, Elisabeth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Angharad ver' Reynulf Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) It's been a bit dampish here lately...(mocking grin) and I'm ever so glad that Nick and I went into debt on getting a new roof this year with the wind and rainstorms we've been having. My son has 4 staples in his head from the weather causing an accident at school, but is otherwise ok-and I'll have lots of fence/yard repairs to do, but otherwise we're ok. I have to do this at work, as I have no contact with the outer world at home other than my cell phone. Between that and the problems my baking has been giving me this week, I've come *THIS* close to opening up my pretty purple package from the gift exchange (which arrived 11/23!) instead of waiting until the 23rd for our Yule (Teren goes to his dad's on Xmas Eve for 4 days--we celebrate early instead). Hoping that everyone is fine and enjoying the holidays--I have my Mod books in from the library, and hope to read them on the 25th. Jonnalyhn Wolfcat/ Angharat (very glad she's a SCAdian, and thus has heating and cooking equipment!) ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 12/14/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 18:46:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFNk1VI015739 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:46:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBFNjvc6021709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:46:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBFNhfgF003446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:43:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFNhSEH032607; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:43:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFNhQIp032575 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:43:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so496147nzf for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:43:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=PBkroQ5KxpNlf/sM2glz9XF4t6eA4+2QePLEmnQEiqi4fQR0B/+4kvaIxD6ecJnwxJwo9DREfkmYzPXCN41WnWW4GbtZOiidZr3QO7VYSeBcnmDbHh6NDeBGdtfdg4x8jdKyzHK4uvoJulaIEob1ht1zUUfscSrf9ncaKSeP6UA= Received: by 10.65.147.1 with SMTP id z1mr1870802qbn.1166226206441; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:43:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.196.1 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:43:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:43:26 -0800 From: Cin To: Dawn , h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ba1d1ba-31ff-43a6-99b2-b82852ea877f X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 458333B5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:46:01 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Dawn wrote: >> Funny, I see this same red as the shadow of the sleeve, robe, etc, not as a >> second skirt. I needed another reason to go back to the UK! >Here's some of the copies. What do you think? >http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Eliza32.jpg >http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Eliza29.jpg >http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Elizathanksgiving.jpg I'm looking at the Ditchley portrait, the allegory of Elizabeth and therefore England standing over the world. This is explicitly what Kathleen asked about. I think we're looking a different pictures all of which are painted by Mannerists, which means they are explicitly not "photo-perfect" copies of what the painter saw. (Especially since in Elizabeth's case the painter almost never saw Elizabeth herself. As I understand it, he usually saw a Lady of the court modelling Liz's gown & jewels plus an official portrait of Liz from which to model her face & hands.) In your examples, I dont see open robes, and yes, in your illustrations, the overskirt exposes a huge swath of forepart. When I challenged someone to find a large forepart, I meant a large *extant* example rather than a picture. I do not know of any in the Manchester, V&A, NYMet or Harwick collections that could ever be as wide as those illustrated. The only exceptions I know of are those widened in a later period, and my knowledge is far from encyclopedic. This is fun! Thanks for challenging my views & implementations. Certainly we'll never know the right answer and I'm more than happy with my interchangeable ensemble solution. I'm not making these ridiculously complex clothes for political ends as Liz was. My aim is much more social. I wanted to prove I could dance in that get up! There's video proving I can. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 20:10:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG1ANsn016964 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:10:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBG1AG9n015415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:10:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBG193cX014102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:09:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG18t8s006551; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:08:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG18pGr006445 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:08:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.95]) by bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:08:46 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:08:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.36.99.166 by BAY106-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 01:08:43 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.36.99.166] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <45830a34.4e2e9338.3c0c.463d@mx.google.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:09:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:09:49 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2006 01:08:46.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCB8E260:01C720AE] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 80ecda55-b3f8-4f5e-ae04-a55cf4ec2410 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45834778.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kBG1ANsn016964 Status: RO Oil lamps and candle lanterns were the order of the day for us as well, or should I say the night. Most of our county (Clark) lost power at some point, but we were only down about three hours. Our first year in the Pacific Northwest about 12 years back, we had a nasty February ice storm that toppled big trees in our neighborhood and left us without power for five days. When it came time to buy the house, I made sure there were NO BIG TREES close enough to fall on us. What I gave up in ambience more than pays off in peace of mind. LuAnn in Vancouver ----- Original Message ----- From: Elisabeth Doornink To: 'Historical Costume' Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) We had a large rotten maple tree fall on a row boat owned by my cousin, and our power was out for about 30 minutes. But the tree is going to be a huge mess to clean up. We stayed up for hours watching the light show of transformers - and were very thankful that ours is on the ground and we live on a highway that has a main powerline. We were a bit worried, though, because both our septic field and well are uphill from us...water becomes an issue. Yes, we have a creek and the bay in front of us...but still. Very thankful in Poulsbo for power and praying for those who don't! (Your comment about being a SCAdian made me laugh - we're set because my dad kayaks and has tons of gear!) Quia Christus Perpetuo Regnat, Elisabeth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Angharad ver' Reynulf Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) It's been a bit dampish here lately...(mocking grin) and I'm ever so glad that Nick and I went into debt on getting a new roof this year with the wind and rainstorms we've been having. My son has 4 staples in his head from the weather causing an accident at school, but is otherwise ok-and I'll have lots of fence/yard repairs to do, but otherwise we're ok. I have to do this at work, as I have no contact with the outer world at home other than my cell phone. Between that and the problems my baking has been giving me this week, I've come *THIS* close to opening up my pretty purple package from the gift exchange (which arrived 11/23!) instead of waiting until the 23rd for our Yule (Teren goes to his dad's on Xmas Eve for 4 days--we celebrate early instead). Hoping that everyone is fine and enjoying the holidays--I have my Mod books in from the library, and hope to read them on the 25th. Jonnalyhn Wolfcat/ Angharat (very glad she's a SCAdian, and thus has heating and cooking equipment!) ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 12/14/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 20:12:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG1Cnkw017018 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:12:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBG1CkWw026417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:12:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBG1Bi4n014359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:11:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG1Bh77008325; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4m.socket.net [216.106.88.217]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG1BeH7008270 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:11:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DF74436ACF for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:11:39 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:12:02 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many rep=16% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a4bbcba1-1158-497d-9a48-164f2f8c88db X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4583480E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:12:49 -0500 (EST) Status: RO http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Thebes/4260/ditchley.html De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 23:39:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG4djxX020933 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:39:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBG4dfiA024791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:39:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBG4cxTL035657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:38:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG4co89042907; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:38:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBFL9kEO069841 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:09:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JAC00L562RYPXE0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:09:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:09:31 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] New book 14th C Italy In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a70a8673-4c56-4d20-b676-ac2e1fd4e719 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4583788D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Robin wrote: ..."after Moda i Firenze, Dressing Renaissance Florence, and so many others. I picked the wrong part of Europe to focus on, apparently." No, it is just that Italy was ignored for so long! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:42 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book 14th C Italy On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > After all the talk about books that are delayed in publication, I thought > that I'd mention one that I've just got in today. Has anyone else seen it? > > Beth > > Gilding the Market: Luxury and Fashion in Fourteenth-Century Italy by Susan > Mosher Stuard 336 pages | 6 1/8 x 9 1/4 | 14 color, 10 b/w illus. Cloth Dec > 2005 | ISBN 0812239008 > http://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/14208.html We have a review of it in our upcoming volume of MC&T. Our reviewer liked it. It apparently has a social/economic focus but uses everything from sumptuary laws to visual arts as sources. Yet another great resource for people studying Italian clothing ... after Moda i Firenze, Dressing Renaissance Florence, and so many others. I picked the wrong part of Europe to focus on, apparently. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 23:41:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG4fQZ9020981 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:41:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBG4fMFd025473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:41:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBG4eKmu035913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:40:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG4eKbf044094; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:40:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2a.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG4D0Sd026725 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:13:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CB173439A for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:13:00 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:13:22 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Subject: [h-cost] FW: Mushrooms!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b1817c10-be64-4df7-9afe-eccdbc1b92f6 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 458378F2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >From another list. I wonder if this is a lost art. De -----Original Message----- Natural dying with mushrooms: http://www.sonic.net/~dbeebee/web_mush-history.htm Look at those fantastic colours. Old technique re-discovered? Gullveig. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 23:43:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG4hFi1021014 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:43:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBG4hCw2019757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:43:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBG4e3kX035808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:40:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG4e2VV043796; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:40:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.228]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG1KLKG014161 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:20:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from missdoornink@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so968143wxc for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:20:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:message-id; b=ds/xlVCGHAe2Bb4e6Dy7VqnZDjDj1ayyxHACLw4mwtzhGlx8in+iL8hSK+Yz6YYZYAtcx15BYnPzlZEx/xIfto+0CHB25+aXlYAnJjBodUIK+5mIMiJa6gzKWhCQWvLjqZIONIR4ls5wDZ0XaocXNTCBBa2XWBb1d8Q9wEu7784= Received: by 10.70.59.20 with SMTP id h20mr2246863wxa.1166232021164; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:20:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from doorninklaptop ( [71.54.201.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id h37sm5547857wxd.2006.12.15.17.20.20; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:20:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Elisabeth Doornink" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:20:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Accgrw6emYESiR+TSMixduZIUSmW5QAAMnwA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <458349d4.0f8f2c8c.3cd5.7892@mx.google.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2a2e32c3-507f-4ce4-a298-211f464829ef X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45837960.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:43:15 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Would that have been 1990? Because I was 3 months old during that storm (can you believe it!) and we moved out of the house we were renting for a week to my Grandmother's - we were loosing 5 degrees an hour inside and pack up when the cat's water froze. INSIDE. My grandparents had a stove that the water was plumbed into and the water was gravity fed, so they had it pretty good, even though the transformer blew. Our friends, on the other hand, were housebound for a week due to huge trees. They had a stick penetrate their roof - my dad's picture of it is really amazing. There is just a stick straight through their roof to the inside. It gives me a huge respect for the families that moved here, especially from places like Norway and Finland, where my ancestors lived. They moved here (to the land we live on now) sometime around 1895. To brave the wet and rain and dry in the summer to farm for a living in this rocky soil...amazing. Quia Christus Perpetuo Regnat, Elisabeth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of LuAnn Mason Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 5:10 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) Oil lamps and candle lanterns were the order of the day for us as well, or should I say the night. Most of our county (Clark) lost power at some point, but we were only down about three hours. Our first year in the Pacific Northwest about 12 years back, we had a nasty February ice storm that toppled big trees in our neighborhood and left us without power for five days. When it came time to buy the house, I made sure there were NO BIG TREES close enough to fall on us. What I gave up in ambience more than pays off in peace of mind. LuAnn in Vancouver ----- Original Message ----- From: Elisabeth Doornink To: 'Historical Costume' Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) We had a large rotten maple tree fall on a row boat owned by my cousin, and our power was out for about 30 minutes. But the tree is going to be a huge mess to clean up. We stayed up for hours watching the light show of transformers - and were very thankful that ours is on the ground and we live on a highway that has a main powerline. We were a bit worried, though, because both our septic field and well are uphill from us...water becomes an issue. Yes, we have a creek and the bay in front of us...but still. Very thankful in Poulsbo for power and praying for those who don't! (Your comment about being a SCAdian made me laugh - we're set because my dad kayaks and has tons of gear!) Quia Christus Perpetuo Regnat, Elisabeth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Angharad ver' Reynulf Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) It's been a bit dampish here lately...(mocking grin) and I'm ever so glad that Nick and I went into debt on getting a new roof this year with the wind and rainstorms we've been having. My son has 4 staples in his head from the weather causing an accident at school, but is otherwise ok-and I'll have lots of fence/yard repairs to do, but otherwise we're ok. I have to do this at work, as I have no contact with the outer world at home other than my cell phone. Between that and the problems my baking has been giving me this week, I've come *THIS* close to opening up my pretty purple package from the gift exchange (which arrived 11/23!) instead of waiting until the 23rd for our Yule (Teren goes to his dad's on Xmas Eve for 4 days--we celebrate early instead). Hoping that everyone is fine and enjoying the holidays--I have my Mod books in from the library, and hope to read them on the 25th. Jonnalyhn Wolfcat/ Angharat (very glad she's a SCAdian, and thus has heating and cooking equipment!) ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.21/589 - Release Date: 12/15/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Dec 15 23:49:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG4nFwi021158 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:49:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBG4nCNj028842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:49:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBG4mhUn036521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:48:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG4mglV049309; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:48:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBG4mdtN049207 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:48:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.85]) by bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:48:34 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:48:33 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.36.99.166 by BAY106-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 04:48:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.36.99.166] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <458349d4.0f8f2c8c.3cd5.7892@mx.google.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:49:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:49:40 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2006 04:48:33.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[70FBE790:01C720CD] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 522bf38a-64ee-45cd-9173-b005c9499c8c X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45837AC8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kBG4nFwi021158 Status: RO If my memory serves, it would have been January or February of 1996. My daughter was born in December of 1991, and we moved here when she was 3 1/2, in the summer of 1995. We only lived at the house in Tigard for a year, so it had to be the winter of 1995/96, and I remember it was after Christmas. Eek, it's hard to get old.... LuAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: Elisabeth Doornink To: 'Historical Costume' Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) Would that have been 1990? Because I was 3 months old during that storm (can you believe it!) and we moved out of the house we were renting for a week to my Grandmother's - we were loosing 5 degrees an hour inside and pack up when the cat's water froze. INSIDE. My grandparents had a stove that the water was plumbed into and the water was gravity fed, so they had it pretty good, even though the transformer blew. Our friends, on the other hand, were housebound for a week due to huge trees. They had a stick penetrate their roof - my dad's picture of it is really amazing. There is just a stick straight through their roof to the inside. It gives me a huge respect for the families that moved here, especially from places like Norway and Finland, where my ancestors lived. They moved here (to the land we live on now) sometime around 1895. To brave the wet and rain and dry in the summer to farm for a living in this rocky soil...amazing. Quia Christus Perpetuo Regnat, Elisabeth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of LuAnn Mason Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 5:10 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) Oil lamps and candle lanterns were the order of the day for us as well, or should I say the night. Most of our county (Clark) lost power at some point, but we were only down about three hours. Our first year in the Pacific Northwest about 12 years back, we had a nasty February ice storm that toppled big trees in our neighborhood and left us without power for five days. When it came time to buy the house, I made sure there were NO BIG TREES close enough to fall on us. What I gave up in ambience more than pays off in peace of mind. LuAnn in Vancouver ----- Original Message ----- From: Elisabeth Doornink> To: 'Historical Costume'> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) We had a large rotten maple tree fall on a row boat owned by my cousin, and our power was out for about 30 minutes. But the tree is going to be a huge mess to clean up. We stayed up for hours watching the light show of transformers - and were very thankful that ours is on the ground and we live on a highway that has a main powerline. We were a bit worried, though, because both our septic field and well are uphill from us...water becomes an issue. Yes, we have a creek and the bay in front of us...but still. Very thankful in Poulsbo for power and praying for those who don't! (Your comment about being a SCAdian made me laugh - we're set because my dad kayaks and has tons of gear!) Quia Christus Perpetuo Regnat, Elisabeth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com> [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Angharad ver' Reynulf Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) It's been a bit dampish here lately...(mocking grin) and I'm ever so glad that Nick and I went into debt on getting a new roof this year with the wind and rainstorms we've been having. My son has 4 staples in his head from the weather causing an accident at school, but is otherwise ok-and I'll have lots of fence/yard repairs to do, but otherwise we're ok. I have to do this at work, as I have no contact with the outer world at home other than my cell phone. Between that and the problems my baking has been giving me this week, I've come *THIS* close to opening up my pretty purple package from the gift exchange (which arrived 11/23!) instead of waiting until the 23rd for our Yule (Teren goes to his dad's on Xmas Eve for 4 days--we celebrate early instead). Hoping that everyone is fine and enjoying the holidays--I have my Mod books in from the library, and hope to read them on the 25th. Jonnalyhn Wolfcat/ Angharat (very glad she's a SCAdian, and thus has heating and cooking equipment!) ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume an/listinfo/h-costume> -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <782846.57303.qm@web32210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d34d6df-d532-4a58-b230-c5468f2e01a8 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 458388E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:49:29 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I vaguely remember something about mushroom dyeing with the Scots (16th century or so), but I may be mistaken. I know they did lichen dyes back then (they did purples with lichens), and there is some work on that in modern times. But this is cool. Thanks for sharing. Kimiko otsisto wrote: >From another list. I wonder if this is a lost art. De -----Original Message----- Natural dying with mushrooms: http://www.sonic.net/~dbeebee/web_mush-history.htm Look at those fantastic colours. Old technique re-discovered? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 16 05:43:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBGAhhKQ009722 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 05:43:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBGAheVD028321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 05:43:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBGAh1ac068710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 03:43:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBGAgtVR059810; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 03:42:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBGAgpq9059709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 03:42:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:28055 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GvX0B-0003AI-8x for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 04:42:47 -0600 Message-ID: <484301c720fe$ed6acd10$ac00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <45825F55.6B5F.00A5.0@mail.wvu.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Cost: Fwd: New Google Patent Search Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 04:42:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a3bc9adb-181b-4c66-ac20-f2336a713dff X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4583CDDC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Be sure to check the advanced search option--you can search by date range as well. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 16 09:14:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBGEE9nB030170 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:14:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBGEE5Eo013023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:14:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBGECb6p001688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 07:12:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBGECVF7016375; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 07:12:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBGECMLg016218 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 07:12:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 65909 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2006 14:12:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.163.24 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2006 14:12:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sgmlvjUVM1nkqPN2odAtR_DgIIUwdP5KAzce5yNyQauyNInB.T0mTRmYzGE4NRWNuqR76QHUvkePmClXxJxL.AuosqQrwZnFjj.3QKpDGFS_a86Yc7kucak- Message-ID: <003301c7211c$2c2c7360$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:12:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bae39c98-44e3-4b1f-893c-7ea0a54c0e89 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4583FF2D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:14:10 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Dancing in the "get up" sounds like a challenge.! I have been searching out every picture/portrait of QE1 I can find and minutely looking for further clues as interpreted in the discussion. I've made my way in the local theater world with 40 years of interpreting historical costumes from such resources; I have made a certain reputation by being able to translate the look (at least) into a reacognizable 3D garment. This particular Era has been quite familiar in past production design...but never to the scale or historicity I am now attempting in miniature. Thank you all for giving me new eyesight with which to solve the design problem I have set for myself. Progress! The sleeve sets are installed in the bodice and I am happily at work making tiny beaded gold lace rosettes to be applied to the whole gown in its many parts! The edges of all are souched with tiny pearls. By counting the numbers as they appear on the hanging sleeve, I have been able to work out the approximate scale for the placement of the roessetts. I am making an attempt to follow the *repeat of three* which I believe Hunnisett worked out for her Ditchely Gown. The major demarkation from the Portraits is that my background fabric is already textured...it being a 1950's 1/8th" woven ribbon fabric. LA!! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "Dawn" ; "h-cost" Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves > Dawn wrote: >>> Funny, I see this same red as the shadow of the sleeve, robe, etc, not >>> as a >>> second skirt. I needed another reason to go back to the UK! >>Here's some of the copies. What do you think? >>http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Eliza32.jpg >>http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Eliza29.jpg >>http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Elizathanksgiving.jpg > > I'm looking at the Ditchley portrait, the allegory of Elizabeth and > therefore England standing over the world. This is explicitly what > Kathleen asked about. > I think we're looking a different pictures all of which are painted by > Mannerists, which means they are explicitly not "photo-perfect" copies > of what the painter saw. (Especially since in Elizabeth's case the > painter almost never saw Elizabeth herself. As I understand it, he > usually saw a Lady of the court modelling Liz's gown & jewels plus an > official portrait of Liz from which to model her face & hands.) > > In your examples, I dont see open robes, and yes, in your > illustrations, the overskirt exposes a huge swath of forepart. When I > challenged someone to find a large forepart, I meant a large *extant* > example rather than a picture. I do not know of any in the > Manchester, V&A, NYMet or Harwick collections that could ever be as > wide as those illustrated. The only exceptions I know of are those > widened in a later period, and my knowledge is far from encyclopedic. > > This is fun! Thanks for challenging my views & implementations. > Certainly we'll never know the right answer and I'm more than happy > with my interchangeable ensemble solution. I'm not making these > ridiculously complex clothes for political ends as Liz was. My aim is > much more social. I wanted to prove I could dance in that get up! > There's video proving I can. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 16 09:26:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBGEQfvk030470 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:26:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBGEQbVA003619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:26:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBGEOSgC004393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 07:24:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBGEORbg026951; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 07:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBGEOPGa026922 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 07:24:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so631044pyb for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 06:24:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=geFOTB3iXKmgIiNC5qpJKyaf0if8F/QnNfgRawzelGPZIKPQyLFnAEVeXuaHpMajgMa1wikTvT9EUeJuN/Fr16US67Dsu5MlIzihqr26YS/JczIfknB/nuFf2sgqisLOYqwWdFkOTJlM8XczP65v3seBD+LdsBupAJRng2wq4ZA= Received: by 10.64.184.14 with SMTP id h14mr2300390qbf.1166279065293; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 06:24:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.54.3 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 06:24:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <870801590612160624h7acc2920h175812cce07cfffd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:24:25 -0600 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian IV of Denmark was: Gack! Is she pregnant orisshe not? Need your opinions! In-Reply-To: <001001c71f94$edf07c50$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <870801590612131154t22758d0dgb3fcf6e989a3646b@mail.gmail.com> <000401c71ef6$e21084f0$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> <870801590612131246t2c2414f2n5b219302be3d4165@mail.gmail.com> <001001c71f94$edf07c50$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb9c7e61-1125-4d3b-8dcb-c14f7734de8c X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4584021D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:26:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Sorry, I guess I just picked up on the name, and skipped over the country. I know that the doll is swedish, not danish. By the way, Bjarne, last year I received from you the embroidered purse. I don't remember if I managed to thank you for it with all the crazy things that were happeneding at this time last year. It is beautiful and I love it. Thanks again Alex On 12/14/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi, > It could still be a daughter to Christian IV, he was married before with a > lady from Germany, her name was Anne Cathrine, she died early in 1604 i > think but had 2 sons and 2 daughters with the king, but only one of the > boys > survived childhood. > Is it the doll from Livrustkammaren in QEWU ? that is a swedish doll, not > danish. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexandria Doyle" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian IV of Denmark was: Gack! Is she pregnant > orisshe not? Need your opinions! > > > > It wasn't a painting that I was thinking of, but the so called fashion > > doll > > in QEWU that I was thinking to be credited to one of Christian's > > daughters, > > dated about 1598 iirc. I'll have to go look at that again, because if > > this > > portrait is dated to 1620, then it's not these girl's toy... Maybe > > Christian's sister? Did he have one or more sisters? > > > > thanks > > alex > > > > On 12/13/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> > >> Hi Alex > >> Are you sure its the same picture? > >> I know a certain portrait from same period where the girls are holding > >> dolls > >> in their hands, but its not the same portrait. > >> In this portrait they have no dolls. > >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/kirstenmunk.htm > >> > >> Bjarne > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Alexandria Doyle" > >> To: "Historical Costume" > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:54 PM > >> Subject: [h-cost] Christian IV of Denmark was: Gack! Is she pregnant or > >> isshe not? Need your opinions! > >> > >> > >> > On 12/13/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Another portrait, similar in style, but a little later, She has the > >> same > >> >> kind of bodice-peplum and stomacher, but the roll is not as big as > the > >> >> other > >> >> one posted. This is a replika from a larger portrait, where she is > >> >> with > >> 3 > >> >> of > >> >> her daughters and a son, the girls wear same type of dress as the > >> mother. > >> > > >> > > >> > Bjarne, > >> > > >> > I know I could probably find this if I dug, but I thought you might > >> > know > >> > or > >> > can get this info a little easier... Do you know the names of the > >> > daughters > >> > and approx year of birth? There is a doll reported to have belong to > >> one > >> > of > >> > these girls and I was wondering if it might be possible to get a > better > >> > guess which one it was... > >> > > >> > thanks > >> > alex > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > h-costume mailing list > >> > h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 16 11:10:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBGGA7fe032678 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:10:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBGG9wfJ030560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:10:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBGG8ltA023895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:08:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBGG8fVV022891; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:08:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBGG8XxG022710 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:08:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 71818 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2006 16:08:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20061216160828.71816.qmail@web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=pfQl4uj8Hlhr/W+jvdZ1a+vCrq86WrOAskHGNNQwFLssP2KBEKb6Vue1GGZYp0tp+NdhRl7R+ex0+fCm+ObIC8E/6ZX5swGXK/qfWqg778KfcT8eavNg+tSW7wxJpQukhSGYMoh3754aGGpFwtuVfOS6v3PQ5ImD/GUa8/WZ2/I=; X-YMail-OSG: 5zS8SeIVM1mnHO7AziD0dJoOA6iDGnQEzb817aKpyQnIhg_7dP34KW6ER3nufLjMFjGyvuZ3PyM.3Tl4mb.UhxWtOgBhPvN.ZWE.HcOqdi4B1qUASBMN9oiN.eqpYeAIauQkxmaYOIQryUk- Received: from [71.121.190.166] by web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:08:28 PST Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:08:28 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200612160413.kBG4D6F0026793@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a6b658ad-0aac-4a63-b637-f0676e6f4d56 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45841A56.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Wet??!! November unofficial measurement at our house was 8 1/2 inches before the 2 feet of snow. We got it pretty bad with the first storm this year. Fortunately power not out at both houses at the same time (still remodeling and moving!) Not so bad this last one, just a few blinks of the lights, but you folks in the Seattle area sure got pounded. Still, more branches to pick up out of the yeard. Driving home from shopping during the second - not so bad - storm with MIL we got to see this bright blue glowing ball of light hang over the road ahead for several seconds - not the typical transformer flash - it was very strange. Big storm about 12 years ago? Would that have been 11? Winter of 95-96 left 3' of snow in my yard for weeks. The following year not as much snow but very wet and heavy brought down a lot of barn rooves. Hope everyone is safe and sound now. Annette T in very soggy Bellingham original message Message: 10 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:20:15 -0800 From: "Elisabeth Doornink" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) Would that have been 1990? Because I was 3 months old during that storm (can you believe it!) and we moved out of the house we were renting for a week to my Grandmother's - we were loosing 5 degrees an hour inside and pack up when the cat's water froze. INSIDE. My grandparents had a stove that the water was plumbed into and the water was gravity fed, so they had it pretty good, even though the transformer blew. Our friends, on the other hand, were housebound for a week due to huge trees. They had a stick penetrate their roof - my dad's picture of it is really amazing. There is just a stick straight through their roof to the inside. It gives me a huge respect for the families that moved here, especially from places like Norway and Finland, where my ancestors lived. They moved here (to the land we live on now) sometime around 1895. To brave the wet and rain and dry in the summer to farm for a living in this rocky soil...amazing. Quia Christus Perpetuo Regnat, Elisabeth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of LuAnn Mason Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 5:10 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) Oil lamps and candle lanterns were the order of the day for us as well, or should I say the night. Most of our county (Clark) lost power at some point, but we were only down about three hours. Our first year in the Pacific Northwest about 12 years back, we had a nasty February ice storm that toppled big trees in our neighborhood and left us without power for five days. When it came time to buy the house, I made sure there were NO BIG TREES close enough to fall on us. What I gave up in ambience more than pays off in peace of mind. LuAnn in Vancouver ----- Original Message ----- From: Elisabeth Doornink To: 'Historical Costume' Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) We had a large rotten maple tree fall on a row boat owned by my cousin, and our power was out for about 30 minutes. But the tree is going to be a huge mess to clean up. We stayed up for hours watching the light show of transformers - and were very thankful that ours is on the ground and we live on a highway that has a main powerline. We were a bit worried, though, because both our septic field and well are uphill from us...water becomes an issue. Yes, we have a creek and the bay in front of us...but still. Very thankful in Poulsbo for power and praying for those who don't! (Your comment about being a SCAdian made me laugh - we're set because my dad kayaks and has tons of gear!) Quia Christus Perpetuo Regnat, Elisabeth -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Angharad ver' Reynulf Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] OT: Checking in from the Pacific NorthWET (and Windy) It's been a bit dampish here lately...(mocking grin) and I'm ever so glad that Nick and I went into debt on getting a new roof this year with the wind and rainstorms we've been having. My son has 4 staples in his head from the weather causing an accident at school, but is otherwise ok-and I'll have lots of fence/yard repairs to do, but otherwise we're ok. I have to do this at work, as I have no contact with the outer world at home other than my cell phone. Between that and the problems my baking has been giving me this week, I've come *THIS* close to opening up my pretty purple package from the gift exchange (which arrived 11/23!) instead of waiting until the 23rd for our Yule (Teren goes to his dad's on Xmas Eve for 4 days--we celebrate early instead). Hoping that everyone is fine and enjoying the holidays--I have my Mod books in from the library, and hope to read them on the 25th. Jonnalyhn Wolfcat/ Angharat (very glad she's a SCAdian, and thus has heating and cooking equipment!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 16 17:06:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBGM6OEs007380 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:06:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBGM6KYM020688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:06:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBGM5Y7H075196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:05:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBGM5UTp017094; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:05:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBGLv2pF010935 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 14:57:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.82]) by bay0-omc1-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:56:57 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:56:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.24.118 by BAY106-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:56:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.24.118] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book 14th C Italy Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:57:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:57:02 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2006 21:56:57.0272 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B0ADB80:01C7215D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 99885ce8-b8f4-47a0-99ea-9a7c337a0e62 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45846DDC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:06:24 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kBGM6OEs007380 Status: RO Actually, there still isn't anything available to introduce this style to the person who just wants to make clothes, as opposed to doing in-depth research. The artwork shows a number of styles and variations, many of them simple to construct and wear and Italian styles are extremely popular at SCA events. A book that explains the different styles and gives some guidance as to how to do it RIGHT really needs to be written. Janet Robin wrote: ..."after Moda i Firenze, Dressing Renaissance Florence, and so many others. I picked the wrong part of Europe to focus on, apparently." No, it is just that Italy was ignored for so long! Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Dec 16 19:35:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBH0ZnVW010238 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:35:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBH0Zf8T007921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:35:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBH0XLOO093865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:33:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBH0XIni036279; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:33:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBH0XBh6036157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:33:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBH0Z80Q011546 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:35:09 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book 14th C Italy Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:40:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200612161940.57227.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 88123bf4-23c5-4601-98ba-49681ba9bdaf X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 458490DD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:35:49 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Saturday 16 December 2006 4:57 pm, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > Actually, there still isn't anything available to introduce this style to > the person who just wants to make clothes, as opposed to doing in-depth > research. The artwork shows a number of styles and variations, many of > them simple to construct and wear and Italian styles are extremely popular > at SCA events. A book that explains the different styles and gives some > guidance as to how to do it RIGHT really needs to be written. There may not be books, but there are websites. I don't know how these would pass muster with you from a historical accuracy perspective (Italian Ren is not my primary area) but the following sites look pretty good to me from the perspective of "just making clothes": http://homepages.wmich.edu/~rowen/renbk/rendressbook.html http://ilaria.veltri.tripod.com/italiandress.html These are actually late 15th century, though. For 14th, aren't you just in the so-called "cotehardie" or "Gothic fitted dress" era (especially in Italy where simpler styles tended to prevail during that period)? There are good sites for that too: http://www.cottesimple.com/ http://www.netherton.net/robin/ (the fourth link from the top of the page is to a PDF with useful information) http://www.maybe.org/~rodmur/sca/Cotehardie.html (all about how to alter a particular commercial pattern into a plausible period garment) Of course, the would-be seamstress/seamster will have to decide which if any of these methods works with their level of skill/desired level of authenticity.... -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 17 03:09:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBH897dP018323 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 03:09:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBH891Om027178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 03:09:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBH88PXm044151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:08:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBH88Kmf065557; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:08:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBH88AJS065364 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:08:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2006 08:08:04 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAHKJhEXUSnInh2dsb2JhbACNbQEBCQ4q Received: from 88-107-104-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.104.136]:1063 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Gvr40-0003a7-Ls for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 08:08:04 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061217080448.035823b8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 08:08:08 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book 14th C Italy In-Reply-To: <200612161940.57227.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <200612161940.57227.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 81f886ad-6369-4345-a2ad-bf5fdb213eeb X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4584FB1D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 00:40 17/12/2006, you wrote: >On Saturday 16 December 2006 4:57 pm, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > > Actually, there still isn't anything available to introduce this style to > > the person who just wants to make clothes, as opposed to doing in-depth > > research. The artwork shows a number of styles and variations, many of > > them simple to construct and wear and Italian styles are extremely popular > > at SCA events. A book that explains the different styles and gives some > > guidance as to how to do it RIGHT really needs to be written. > >There may not be books, but there are websites. I don't know how these would >pass muster with you from a historical accuracy perspective (Italian Ren is >not my primary area) but the following sites look pretty good to me from the >perspective of "just making clothes": > >http://homepages.wmich.edu/~rowen/renbk/rendressbook.html >http://ilaria.veltri.tripod.com/italiandress.html > >These are actually late 15th century, though. For 14th, aren't you just in >the so-called "cotehardie" or "Gothic fitted dress" era (especially in Italy >where simpler styles tended to prevail during that period)? There are good >sites for that too: > >http://www.cottesimple.com/ >http://www.netherton.net/robin/ (the fourth link from the top of the page is >to a PDF with useful information) >http://www.maybe.org/~rodmur/sca/Cotehardie.html (all about how to alter a >particular commercial pattern into a plausible period garment) > >Of course, the would-be seamstress/seamster will have to decide which if any >of these methods works with their level of skill/desired level of >authenticity.... And Jean Hunnisett has a few patterns in her "Period Costume for Stage and Screen Medieval to 1500". Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 17 03:47:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBH8lQ4D019054 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 03:47:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBH8lMPe016013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 03:47:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBH8kqdo048254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:46:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBH8koqN091068; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:46:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBH8klRU091022 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:46:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A2653B520410; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 08:40:05 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW: Mushrooms!! 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Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 17 14:24:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBHJO6iM013601 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:24:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBHJO11U009380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:24:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBHJM2pM040381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:22:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBHJLvAK009936; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:21:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBHJLoP0009751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:21:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 3841AD4310; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF06D4050 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:21:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:21:49 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000c01c72210$9a09c0a0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200612171900.kBHJ03pP088843@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:question re: floss silks for embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a98734b3-41d0-467a-a76d-50305a0f68a3 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45859951.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Silk flosses have been found back into ancient Persia and China, BC. As to sources, well, there are tons. What period and region are you interested in? Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 17 17:58:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBHMw5wS018752 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:58:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBHMw15v010096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:58:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBHMthfI073236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:55:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBHMtZqL092162; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:55:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBHMtWSk092064 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:55:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE1CB57D0 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:55:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4585CAE8.4030109@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:55:36 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] costume pictures and keeping track of them X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6409b414-c844-4106-bf0f-9dcb194840a7 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4585CB79.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:58:05 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I know a lot of folks here have collections of images taken from web gallery sites, to use as inspiration or reference help with their costuming. I'd like to share a little program my husband has written to help himself keep track of images, and to display them as desktop wallpaper. First, let me say he's not selling anything, this is a freebie he developed in his spare time. The program, PixAddix Image Collector, makes a database to keep track of the location of each image, it's size, and where the image was downloaded from. When you import or download an image the program will automatically find a directory and save the image to that directory. If there is another image with the same name it will automatically rename the image for you. Since these tasks are all automated you need do nothing but indicate what you want in your collection. This makes it much faster and easier than clicking, navigating to a directory, creating one for that web page if you haven't done it before, then saving it. There is also a desktop wallpaper changer program that displays your collection on your monitor. There is a screen saver program to display images while your computer is idle. A gallery generator program is in the works to make your collection into a web gallery. I thought costumers might like to try this. Many of us save images for our own use, and then have them scattered all over the hard drive, with no way to keep track of where they came from. My husband, Jay, has set up a google group and FAQ here: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/PixAddix If you think you'd like to try it, or have questions, please ask in the PixAddix group, as I really don't know the technical details. I just thought this sounded useful. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Dec 17 18:31:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBHNV9nx019462 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:31:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBHNV4Pl028562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:31:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBHNTIpx079162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:29:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBHNTHtG017500; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:29:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52107.mail.yahoo.com (web52107.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.110]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBHNTEM9017409 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 7703 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2006 23:29:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gGJfMUCm0zHY4QefXDnY3z5hE8qRPE/HOERLB4YMDkpA7BvXd/07Vw9RbqdhrRIY3Gu45CNmi8GBbHWCqMQm1vv4IwtI3egHmudC1RhkGtwS1U2DfRVV/58EAJreLTpRYdYSwPy14COa6N519alHtiBEijxR6bwknE1b3HffN+o= ; Message-ID: <20061217232909.7701.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:29:09 PST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:29:09 -0800 (PST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: question re: floss silks for embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 25afed56-617a-4021-b469-55fc9f7f21c0 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4585D338.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:31:10 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kBHNV9nx019462 Status: RO Arlys, I can happily confirm they go back *at least* as far as the sixteenth century in Sicily, having had first hand experience with stranded floss silks in use. They sewed garments and made lace with them, in my experience. I can even help you find some to experiment with. ;-) The store exists, but is not ready yet for orders. email me off list if you are interested. Kathy Page ~New Stranded Floss Embroidery Silk Enabler~ www.outoftheattic.biz/store Might even delve into spiffy cambric linens, as well one day soon... Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 Hi all. I'm researching embroidery materials and keep bumping into references that mention floss silks. Might anyone know how early these were used and/or have some possible sources they could point me to? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 18 01:22:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBI6MYrs027105 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:22:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBI6MVo4021472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:22:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBI6L8Mj035481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 23:21:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBI6L3lr019142; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 23:21:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBI6L0AB019052 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 23:21:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABC2NN3AAEHUNEA for (sender ); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:20:16 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgtoenAAE6yonpfm/99W5hc4= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L9USJNSC; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:20:12 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:20:06 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: question re: floss silks for embroidery Message-ID: <20061217.222008.2696.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-8,12-17,20-21 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 7:3:1494356086 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11876867-0ff9-4257-b6db-16614fce5e52 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 458633A7.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:22:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:29:09 -0800 (PST) Kathy Page writes: > Arlys, > > I can happily confirm they go back *at least* as far as the > sixteenth century in Sicily, having had first hand experience with > stranded floss silks in use. They sewed garments and made lace with > them, in my experience. Very nice! They also appear in the Hardwick (Elizabeth of Shrewsbury) inventories, as polychrome floss silks used for cushion covers (_Elizabethan Treasures the Hardwick Hall Embroideries by Santina Levey, pg 47_). > I can even help you find some to experiment with. ;-) The store > exists, but is not ready yet for orders. email me off list if you > are interested. thank you. I've been working in floss silk for years--it's loverly stuff for a lot of things, incl. blackwork. I'm trying to trace its history a bit. :-) Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 18 02:07:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBI77fjp030444 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:07:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBI77YB1013654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:07:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBI6L8qp035480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 23:21:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBI6L3ke019141; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 23:21:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBI6L0bW019050 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 23:21:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABC2NN3AADCV8HS for (sender ); Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:20:16 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgtoenAAE6yoncQgyKMd+aW4= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L9USJNR9; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:20:12 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:12:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:question re: floss silks for embroidery Message-ID: <20061217.222008.2696.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 8:4:372359139 X-MAIL-INFO: 508dbd41bd1da5f91da539e1a5394decc525cc9955b125450ded5565457c6d78452d01fc8da88d292c390ca58de1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6c63d4b5-1805-4425-8094-6a003f1c7b99 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45863E36.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:07:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Europe, roughly 800-1600. Co-teaching a survey of needlework class next fall, trying to get a leg up on fibers. Thank you all for your help! :-) Arlys On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:21:49 -0500 "Five Rivers Chapmanry" writes: > Silk flosses have been found back into ancient Persia and > China, BC. > As to sources, well, there are tons. What period and region are you > interested in? > > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted > cooperage, > re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 18 11:38:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBIGcE3L002833 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:38:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBIGcAbP023771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:38:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBIGZrEd016249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:35:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBIGZeOX037088; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:35:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBIGZZHl037002 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:35:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so1856104ugc for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:35:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ebXDyK7I8inco2Osnuofmnr1BUXrXcuPrf/GQ6bCDAythfWsFiMQKB0SjbZsS6hd5NfQWXONuh+q2PoMOQiMbJqFi0+sxomuo42zk4HgyPnzXH3bY/9l8+htJBYVealX6MmDXBH1256d04TSokxShjHnPLZbEYc5zFqCscz82Fg= Received: by 10.67.19.17 with SMTP id w17mr6812166ugi.1166459734505; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:35:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.22.3 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:35:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:35:34 -0500 From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-Servercave-Metrics: net.indra.com 1183; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Messages history X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 67b9d0cb-d21d-4656-b121-7cc7fcbf2bc5 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4586C3F2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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There are some things I know were discussed in the past and I would like to look at them again without hashing it all out over again. -- Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 18 11:55:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBIGtRkV003158 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:55:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBIGtOWc026902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:55:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBIGprpU018343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:51:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBIGpnmp054504; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail02.unl.edu (webmail02.unl.edu [129.93.1.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBIGpXhp054262 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:51:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail02.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id kBIGpWm03442 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:51:32 -0600 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Messages history Message-ID: <1166460692.4586c714a63e4@webmail02.unl.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:51:32 -0600 (CST) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c3b4d4fa-514f-4b17-96f2-6fee74436bc7 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4586C7FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:55:28 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Try the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/ Or, for older conversations, the other archives http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/ (If there are more, please let me know!) Emma Quoting Bonnie Booker : > Is there any way to get message history. There are some things I know > were discussed in the past and I would like to look at them again > without hashing it all out over again. > > -- > Aspasia Moonwind > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > http://anvil.unl.edu/emma http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 18 12:16:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBIHG1LU003660 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:16:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBIHFtAj017760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:16:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBIHECIE021636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:14:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBIHDblm078068; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:13:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBIHDNJ9077830 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:13:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11954 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:59:10 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:59:10 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Messages history In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28d72d29-ef64-45f6-8128-590b5c974b80 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4586CCCB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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To find recent individual posts, try http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.studies.history.costume (since about June 2005 I think) Another option for recent posts: http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/index.html#03702 (since about the same time). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 18 13:59:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBIIx1rG006154 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:59:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBIIwpKO014960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:59:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBIIuRis038777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:56:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBIIuJYE096125; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:56:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBIHRXEt093014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:27:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBIHRRNu019198 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:27:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:27:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <2620.65.117.156.5.1166462847.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:27:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Messages history From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=7.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dc1df1c5-7be5-4889-8471-af7886c2c077 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4586E4EB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:59:01 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Please note that Eric did tell us that he edited the posts that are on his archive. Older archives are at ... ftp://ftp.io.com/pub/usr/ches/index.html On Mon, December 18, 2006 11:59 am, Robin Netherton said: > > On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Bonnie Booker wrote: > >> Is there any way to get message history. There are some things I >> know >> were discussed in the past and I would like to look at them again >> without hashing it all out over again. > > For older posts, go to Eric's collection of past posts, kept in text > files > month by month, at http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/ . > > To find recent individual posts, try > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.studies.history.costume (since > about > June 2005 I think) > > Another option for recent posts: > http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/index.html#03702 > (since about the same time). > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Dec 18 14:30:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBIJUS8J006926 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:30:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBIJUOHI005846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:30:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBIJSWdR043830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:28:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBIJSQB3032888; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:28:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBIJSHpT032724 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:28:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12451 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:14:07 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:14:07 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Messages history In-Reply-To: <2620.65.117.156.5.1166462847.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92d61e34-bf69-43b3-a521-ff978f84c659 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4586EC50.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Chiara Francesca wrote: > Please note that Eric did tell us that he edited the posts that are > on his archive. > > Older archives are at ... ftp://ftp.io.com/pub/usr/ches/index.html Thanks! I'd lost that site, and couldn't find it. Glad to have it again. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 19 05:08:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBJA8eqV030890 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:08:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBJA8bDX018575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:08:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBJA7qKS051677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 03:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBJA7eUH086130; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 03:07:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBJA7XCG086027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 03:07:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id D010D853C9; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:07:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79CC8524A for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:07:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:07:37 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000801c72355$82cace70$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200612181900.kBIJ0KQ2000995@net.indra.com> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id kBJA7XCG086027 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: question re: floss silks for embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 02c2c3c9-b11a-48a5-9b17-17242efbaec6 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4587BA25.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:08:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Well, if you're looking for the period 800-1600, certainly I would highly recommend the tome written by Schuette and someone or other (memory fails me) called The Art of Embroidery. You can get it through inter-library loan, although I did so often I finally broke down and spent an entire year's book budget on my own copy. It is considered a rare book and you will likely have to use it in-house. It is also considered an extremely well-researched and scholarly book, with detailed provenance and technical background which is still considered accurate. There are examples in the book dating to ancient China and Persia, but for your purposes there are some exquisite examples of Opus Anglicanum (mantle of St. Cuthbert, c. 800AD to the peerless Burgundian Vestments, c. 16th century), all of which not only use copious amounts of silk thread, but gold, my own personal passion. Interesting, btw, you're teaching a class on this. I give several lectures, as well as teach several classes, on various aspects of historical embroidery, one of which is a history of embroidery. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 19 05:51:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBJAp0JJ007219 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:51:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBJAovaM009175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:51:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBJAmYgd055535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 03:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBJAmXdu018071; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 03:48:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBJAmHmf017846 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 03:48:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 19 Dec 2006 10:48:07 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAGpSh0XUSnInh2dsb2JhbACNdAEBCQ4q Received: from 88-107-104-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.104.136]:1914 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GwcVy-000GaJ-Pt for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:48:06 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061219104650.035787c0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:48:05 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: question re: floss silks for embroidery In-Reply-To: <000801c72355$82cace70$6400a8c0@MAIN> References: <200612181900.kBIJ0KQ2000995@net.indra.com> <000801c72355$82cace70$6400a8c0@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4ead1d1b-48f0-452f-8c38-1a88ac9cafe0 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4587C411.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:51:00 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 10:07 19/12/2006, you wrote: > Well, if you're looking for the period 800-1600, certainly I would >highly recommend the tome written by Schuette and someone or other (memory >fails me) called The Art of Embroidery. You can get it through inter-library >loan, although I did so often I finally broke down and spent an entire >year's book budget on my own copy. It is considered a rare book and you will >likely have to use it in-house. It is also considered an extremely >well-researched and scholarly book, with detailed provenance and technical >background which is still considered accurate. There are examples in the >book dating to ancient China and Persia, but for your purposes there are >some exquisite examples of Opus Anglicanum (mantle of St. Cuthbert, c. 800AD >to the peerless Burgundian Vestments, c. 16th century), all of which not >only use copious amounts of silk thread, but gold, my own personal passion. > > Interesting, btw, you're teaching a class on this. I give several >lectures, as well as teach several classes, on various aspects of historical >embroidery, one of which is a history of embroidery. Or you buy a much cheaper, but very useful small book by a former curator of the Museum of London, called "Embroiderers" which also has information about Opus Anglicorum. http://www.alibris.com/search/books/author/Staniland,%20Kay Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 19 10:05:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBJF4vKZ000368 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:04:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBJF4sv9026047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:04:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBJF23ha086075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:02:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBJF1u2c042290; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:01:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.224]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBJF1m9F042134 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:01:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so760385nzf for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 07:01:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=raltmt5D0CjnQW0syFsJXxaqFyuqWwv6Nr35kc2d5rzYd5tGBwyHEKpt6QZMoDg92X89xk75Fbi2Ne6HcHX5lBhFU9zF5nAgfUu0C7OFhkrC9t3cgk6ljAWbvfNj3AhHo6MdZjG6QCHW+PsmxZHctQW+Wg2aqV8h/W6Mii+Geks= Received: by 10.64.184.14 with SMTP id h14mr7290856qbf.1166540508103; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 07:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.196.1 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 07:01:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:01:47 -0500 From: Cin To: Dawn , h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] costume pictures and keeping track of them MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3a74ca8f-3233-4c75-83e9-3f31e4bb92b3 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4587FF96.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:04:58 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thank-you, Jay! Yes I do collect... or rather amass pictures. This sounds really useful! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] costume pictures and keeping track of them To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <4585CAE8.4030109@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I thought costumers might like to try this. Many of us save images for our own use, and then have them scattered all over the hard drive, with no way to keep track of where they came from. My husband, Jay, has set up a google group and FAQ here: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/PixAddix Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 19 13:14:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBJIEM0i004635 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:14:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBJIEHQW000599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:14:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBJI9Uuu013652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBJI9Kus053507; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:09:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBJI9ACn053246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:09:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:12928 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GwjOn-0000Xv-KL for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:09:10 -0600 Message-ID: <48a201c72398$c47a50a0$ac00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:08:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT--Fashion Fabrics now ships int'l X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b271b7e4-c590-45bd-a28a-6a3c0c4efd67 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45882BF9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:14:23 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id kBJIEM0i004635 Status: RO Sorry for the commercial crassness... I know the matter has been discussed here, though, and I'm very excited that the policy has now changed! I just got official permission from the owner to announce that Fashion Fabrics Club will now ship to Canada and western Europe (yay!). The website isn't set up for it yet--and with the delays we've had, it'll be a while--but if you call in an order you'll be able to request it. If the person who takes your order isn't aware of this, have them ask the owner, Tom. Australia/NZ wasn't mentioned, but it's worth asking about. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Dec 19 15:09:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBJK9BaB007268 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:09:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBJK979T005012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:09:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBJK4pag029739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBJK4UPe086207; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:04:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBJFZrW6076958 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:35:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABC2SBXTAPGSAWA for (sender ); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 07:35:13 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhghxvgL2hj5NOCnrSixc9RN0= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L9YCMQ23; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 07:34:10 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 07:15:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: question re: floss silks for embroidery Message-ID: <20061219.073330.4028.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Ju