From: Gretchen Miller <grm+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Wed,  5 Oct 1994 16:41:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: H-Costume Digest, Volume 158, 10/5/94

The Historic Costume List Digest, Volume 158, October 5, 1994

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Topics:
Question and answers: Slang "Yellow = cowardice"
Question and answers:Historical American Costume
Ellis Island Museum Address

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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 14:54:20 -0700
From: Alison Kondo <kondoa@ucs.orst.edu>
Subject: slang question

 I'm not sure if this is actually a costuming question, but I was
wondering if the connection between the colour (or word) "yellow" &
cowardice had its origins in a clothing source.  I remember hearing
"yellow-bellied coward" or "you're a coward with a yellow stripe down
your back" as a child, I haven't found an explanation in the slang
dictionaries.

   Alison

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From: Cyberpumpkin <selting@ucsub.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: re: slang question
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:16:42 -0600 (MDT)

Alison asked about yellow coming from clothing?
I don't know about that, or where it fits in the timeline, but in
Shakespeare's "twelth night or what you will" they talk a guy into
wearing his hose "yellow and cross-gartered" which was the 
mark of an idiot, or at least a crazy fool.....
*shrug*
-terri

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Listen to the silence of the breaking of my heart -the mission

I'll bring you flowers, and place them on your grave -the mission

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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 10:36:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "K.C. Kozminski" <kkozmins@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
Subject: Yellow question

 This may be really reaching, but I've been reading Corson's "Fashions
in Make-up".  He cites yellow ochre as a fashionable body-make-up in
ancient times (ie Egyptian, Summerian, Babylonian), but only for women,
men usually (not always) wore a deeper rust-colored make-up.  Maybe
yellow-tinted skin was considered femine, therefore, to their thinking,
cowardly?  We've come a long way baby!
 Like I said, this reference is probably too obscure, but it was a thought.

 KC

Don't think of it as aging, think of it as "Attaining Mythic Stature"
kc/Roen who is, herself

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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 10:45:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: (Resent, and address got lost)
Subject: American Historic Costume

Hello!
I'm a member of CSA and an associate proffesor of Mukogawa Women's
University in Japan. I'm researching historic costume, especially that
of America from 17th century to 19th century. My particular concerns are
as follows. How the colonists, who were not so rich, got materials
oftheir clothings and how they made them? What was the characteristics
of the costumes of New Netherland and New York colony? I'm wrinting a
paper on this thesis.

I would like to get informations about books, dissertations and
photographs on above theses. 

Lastly I would like to know the address of the   Ellis Island Museum"
close to Statute of Liberty.

   I look foward to receive useful informations and advices.  And I'll
appreciate you for your kindness.

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Subject: Re: slang question 
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 08:33:46 PDT
From: Walter Nelson <Walter_Nelson@rand.org>

-- Your message was:   (from "Cyberpumpkin")
  Alison asked about yellow coming from clothing?
  I don't know about that, or where it fits in the timeline, but in
  Shakespeare's "twelth night or what you will" they talk a guy into
  wearing his hose "yellow and cross-gartered" which was the 
  mark of an idiot, or at least a crazy fool.....
 
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I think the yellow hose are not specifically the mark of an idiot, they
are just the garish attire of a devil-may-care bachelor.  There is a
song from the same era, called "Bring me my yellow hose again", in which
the singer complains about his shrewish wife, and wishes he were free
again.

In the context of the play however, the yellow hose of the young gallant
on an old curmugeon like Malvolio, do mark him for a fool.  The cross
garterings are simply a silly and impractical fashion which Olivia
particularly despises, and which therefore add to the overall effect of
foolishness.

As to the term "yellow" meaning cowardice, I can only speculate.  I
think it is an Americanism.  Any English folks on the net encounter it
in a British context?

Wild and unsubstantiated speculations follow:

Yellow: A term for a person of mixed race (e.g. The yellow rose of Texas).

Yellow:  The branch of service color of the US Cavalry from the Civil
War on--a group which the infantry thought did not do their fair share
of fighting ("I ain't never seen a dead cavalryman")

Cheers,

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Walter Nelson                  |   INSERT PITHY WITTICISM HERE
RAND                           |
walter_nelson@rand.org         |
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:51:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: Helen Mayo <mayo@medcat.library.swmed.edu>
Subject: Re: slang question 

For me, this is neat...something a librarian can contribute to. :)

On Tue, 27 Sep 1994, Walter Nelson wrote:

> As to the term "yellow" meaning cowardice, I can only speculate.  I think
> it is an Americanism.  Any English folks on the net encounter it in a
> British context?
> 
> Wild and unsubstantiated speculations follow:
> 
> Yellow: A term for a person of mixed race (e.g. The yellow rose of Texas).
> 
> Yellow:  The branch of service color of the US Cavalry from the Civil
> War on--a group which the infantry thought did not do their fair share of
> fighting ("I ain't never seen a dead cavalryman")
> 

I checked in the Oxford English Diectionary, which cites the earliest
use of words, and found the use of the term "yeller-bellies" from 1856 :
"I've a mighty puncheon, as the Frenchman say, to hev a crack at them
yeller-bellies." and then adds the footnote that says Yellow Belly was a
name given by Western hunters and soldiers of the U.S. A. to Mexicans.
The Dictionary of Americanisms also cites a phrase froma book from P.T.
Barnum equating "yellow" with cowardice. It sounds like this connotation
is American in origin. 

It was interesting that the OED cited yellow, and yellow hose as
associated with jealousy during the early 1600's, such as in 1607 a
quote "Jealous men are eyther Knaues or Coxcomes, bee you neither: you
weare yellow hose without cause." (Although to me, the cite could as
easily 
mean the yellow is for Coxcombs) and there's a cite from Fatal Dowry in
1632 that says that "If my Lord Bee now growne yellow" means grown
jealous.

Well, back to medical reference questions, but the clothing one was fun.

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From: JLIEDL@nickel.laurentian.ca
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 17:26:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Yellow's significance

Well, in the sixteenth century they were still following medieval colour
theory (from armorial bearings/i.e. family crests/shields).  Almost all
of the colours, thus, had positive spins.  So as a 1583 English
publication, _A Rare True and Proper Blazon of Coloures and Ensignes
Military with theyr Peculiar Signification_ is quoted in Jane
Ashelford's _Dress in the Age of Elizabeth I_ for colour theory then. 
An excerpt:  "yellow, hope, joy, magnanimity; russet, prudence;
yellow-red, deception; green, love joy. . . ." [pg 102]  Notice that
non-heraldic colours (such as yellow-red) could be assigned less stellar
qualities as they wouldn't appear in anyone's 
arms and thus p*** them off at the herald.

Perhaps the significance of yellow for cowardice might be more recent.
According to my Compact OED the term "Yellow-belly" applied to people
originated in the 19th c. American west--an epithet applied by US
soldiers and hunters to Mexicans.  Perhaps they wanted to downplay or
attack the Mexicans' "manhood" as well and "Yellow-belly" took on a
second meaning of cowardice (in addition to mere identification).

'Nough of the pontificating.  Back to your regularly scheduled costuming.

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  Janice Liedl, Dept. of History  "History is the fiction we invent to
  jliedl@nickel.laurentian.ca     persuade ourselves that events are
  Laurentian University           knowable and that life has order and
  Sudbury, Ontario                direction." -- Calvin and Hobbes
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 17:08:34 -0700
From: Alison Kondo <kondoa@ucs.orst.edu>
Subject: Hist.American Costume

 I don't know if this will help, but "Rural Pennsylvania Clothing" a
Study of the Wearing Apparel of the German and English Inhabitants, both
Men and Women who resided in Pennsylvania in the Late 18th and Early
19th Century. by Ellen J. Gehret George Shumway Publisher, York,
Pennsylvania, 1976, has an extensive bibliography of colonial sources
plus photos & construction notes about
original period garments in Pennsylvania museums.  (It also includes
scale patterns & sewing notes for costumed docents at historic sites, or
historical re-enactors.).  Most of the garments shown are middle class
or rural wear, not the formal town styles.  I'd recommend this one for
its sources because they are specific to the area, rather than general
historic clothing texts.

 Alison

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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 17:10:57 -0700
From: Alison Kondo <kondoa@ucs.orst.edu>
Subject: slang thanks

 Thanks for the replies to my "yellow" question.  It's been interesting
reading.  I hadn't realized the variety of applications of that colour
through history.

 Alison

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From: "Lassman, Linda" <LASSMAN@bldgdafoe.lan1.umanitoba.ca>
Subject: Re:  Yellow
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 10:50:00 PDT

Well, checking the OED, the A.2. meaning for "yellow" means "Affected
with jealousy, jealous (Cf. Jaundiced 3.)  Also in allusive phrases, as
_to wear yellow hose_ = to be jealous.  _Obs._", with citations from
1602 - 1858. Then in the supplement in the back, it adds A.2.b.,
"yellow" meaning 
"cowardly" dating from 1896.

Given the association with jaundiced, I would suspect it has something
to do with the 4 humours.  (Is yellow bile?  I'm not up on these!)

- Linda Lassman
  Winnipeg, Manitoba

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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 09:18:41 +0800 (WST)
From: Anne Casey <anneca@dcd.wa.gov.au>
Subject: Re: slang question 

Yellow has a connotation in Australia of cowardice; I've never thought
of it as an Americanism, so it must have come into Australia very early,
possibly during the Gold Rush (i.e. 1860's - 1880's).  A lot of American
miners (and Chinese) came here then.  This leads me to the other (mostly
outdated or illegal) connotation - the 'Yellow Peril' or the 'Yellow
Hordes'. 

You only have to look at Australia's position on the map to realise why
early this century WASP Australians started to get paranoid about Asia. 
Gravity and all that - there are very silly looking political cartoons
from the period of hordes of monstrous looking Asians literally falling
out of Asia onto Australia.

Regarding Malvolio - I've always seen him as a fashion victim - the
modern equivalent would be a middle aged guy wearing 12" high platform
sneakers to attract a much younger woman - trying to look trendy, but
failing utterly!

/anne.......

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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:52:57 -0700
From: "Sarah E. Goodman -- unless it's Clint Bigglestone"
<goodston@well.sf.ca.us>
Subject: Re:  Yellow

Can anyone push the information back on this a step and determine WHY
Mexican soldiers were called "yellow bellied"?   I have a strong
suspicion that this ties in to their uniforms, but all we've only got
information on U.S. Uniforms of the period here.

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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 07:41:15 CST
From: SANDY STAEBELL <staebsl@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU>
Subject: ELLIS ISLAND ADDRESS

The 1993 directory for the American Association of Museums lists the
address of the Ellis Island Museum as Liberty Island, New York, NY
10004; 212/363-7620.  It also  lists the curator of collections as
Felice Ciccone.
SLS 

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Subject: Re: Yellow 
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 08:32:10 PDT
From: Walter Nelson <Walter_Nelson@rand.org>

-- Your message was:   (from ""Sarah E. Goodman -- unless it's Clint Biggleston
e"")
  Can anyone push the information back on this a step and determine WHY
  Mexican soldiers were called "yellow bellied"?   I have a strong suspicion
  that this ties in to their uniforms, but all we've only got information on
  U.S. Uniforms of the period here.

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Mexican uniforms were patterned on the French Napoleonic model, and
therefore were predominately blue.  Some units also wore white fatigue
uniforms or green coats.  There were some interesting local uniforms,
but I am unaware of any that were actually yellow.

I think the term is primarily racial.  "Yellow" was a term used to refer
to mulatos, and it is not surprising that our enlightened and racially
tolerant ancestors used the same epithet to apply to Mexicans.

The Mexican Army, BTW, had performed rather poorly in the Mexican War,
due primarily to incompetent leadership, but it is therefore very
plausible that "yellow" and "coward" should be linked--most likely by
those who never actually had to fight.

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Walter Nelson                  |   INSERT PITHY WITTICISM HERE
RAND                           |
walter_nelson@rand.org         |
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 12:22:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "K.C. Kozminski" <kkozmins@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>
Subject: Re: American Historic Costume

Don't think of it as aging, think of it as "Attaining Mythic Stature" kc/Roen
who is, herself

On Tue, 27 Sep 1994, Gretchen Miller wrote:

 What was the characteristics
> of the costumes of New Netherland and New York colony? I'm wrinting a
> paper on this thesis.
> 
 Try to contact the Staten Island historical society, and the
Richmondtown Restoration on Staten Island, NY (You can find their
address via gopher)  Many Ellis Island era imigrants edded up in Staten
Island, because that is where the hospital for those not healthy enough
to pass customs was located.  There was a large Dutch colony (the name
was actually Staaten Island) established in Staten Island that I belive
dates back to the 18th century, later people from the Netherlands
resided there as well (including my husband's direct ancestors).
 Bingo! I just found the address you're looking for (I've been purusing
magazines while posting this):
  Diana Pardue, Cheif of Museum Services
  Statue of Liberty National Monument,
  Liberty Island, New York, NY  10004

 This Address is from the time when Ellis Island was under repairs, but
I'm sure they can forward your inquiries to the right person if they no
longer handle Ellis Island'd mail.
 I hope this helps!
  KC 
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