From: Gretchen Miller Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 18:27:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: H-Costume Digest, Volume 266, 3/30/95 The Historic Costume List Digest, Volume 266, March 30, 1995 Send items for the list to h-costume@andrew.cmu.edu (or reply to this message). Send subscription/deletion requests and inquiries to h-costume-request@andrew.cmu.edu Enjoy! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics: Is there a CD-ROM/Web page on costumes? Pantyhose history What would you like to see on a costume CD-ROM/Web Page? Kilt patterns source Wigs and wiglets Leg painting ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:28:36 +0800 (WST) From: Luana Lisandro Subject: RE: CD-ROM of Costumes??? Hi, Just wondering if anyone knows if there is a CD-ROM of clothing costume? Any information would be greatly appreciated... and if there isn't one, could someone (being these multinational corporations!) please look into making one... Just think... wouldn't it be wonderful to be able to go to costuming museums around the world, and click on a reference library of illustrations from particular eras, dictionary of terms with photographs etc, historical patterns etc... Thanks in advance for any info... Luana ++++++ Luana Lisandro ++++++++++++ email: luana@yarrow.wt.com.au | Perth, Western Australia | ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ From: longwave@uunorth.north.net (E. Cheung) Subject: Re: Pantyhose, stockings, etc. Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 20:36:35 -0600 In addition to the two other possible reasons I gave for the growth of pantyhose is that the 1960s was also a time of great industrial development for synthetics such as plastic and nylon with the recent discovery of polymers. I believe it was the Dupont corporation that was the first in this area. Ed. /\ /\ /\ / \ / \ / \ / | / | / | The longwave continues . . . / | / | / | / | / | / | From: Edward Cheung / | / | / longwave@mail.north.net / | / | / / |/ |/ ------------------------------ From: jeff.sargent@hmg.com Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 17:44:36 Subject: Re[2]: CD-ROM of Costumes??? I'm working on it, I'm working on it, awready! Gimme a break! I had a consultant, but she turned out to be something other than helpful (other than truthful, other than responsible - and a great many _other_ others), so I'm starting all over. Anyone else what to give it a stab? I have virtually no background in costume, but I do know CD ROM authoring and have a strong grounding in history. You know, move the little pointer down the timeline, pick a spot on the globe, and... ta-dum! You can tour the clothing of that region, that time, sort by class, or material. Postscript patterns, waiting for output on a plotter. Consider the possibilities of 600+ megabytes of storage and retrieval. Must fly - they really do expect me to do some work around here, once in a while. Ta- -Jeff __________________________________________________________________________ Jeffery Linden Sargent (510) 601-0900 x310 Sr. MultiMedia Animator jsargent@HMG.COM The HyperMedia Group 5900 Hollis Ste O Emeryville, CA 94608 _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:47:42 +0800 (WST) From: Luana Lisandro Subject: Re: Re[2]: CD-ROM of Costumes??? On Wed, 22 Mar 1995 jeff.sargent@hmg.com wrote: > I'm working on it, I'm working on it, awready! Gimme a break! > I had a consultant, but she turned out to be something other > than helpful (other than truthful, other than responsible - > and a great many _other_ others), so I'm starting all over. > > Anyone else what to give it a stab? [material deleted] Can we open it up for discussion on the mailing list? What features would people want on such a CD-ROM? What are the important points? Will it be in a series format (i.e. a separate CD-ROM for each era and other topics)? How do you get museums to participate in the production process? Copyright laws? How much are people prepared to pay for such a product? As an aside, does the mailing list have a Web Page? And could it be used to set up a Costume database that could be a visual reference library of costumes? Where people could upload/download gifs and graphics etc? Just trying to generate ideas... Luana PS Willing to help with processing a list of features that people want... ++++++ Luana Lisandro ++++++++++++ email: luana@yarrow.wt.com.au | Perth, Western Australia | ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ From: RJRowoldt@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 08:45:42 -0500 Subject: kilt making I have made a kilt, but not by using the Folkwear pattern. Threads magazine (February/March1991; Number 33, ppgs 54-60) featured an article on kiltmaking by a professional kiltmaker which included a number of drawings which explained some of the hard to explain steps involved. The method is basically the same as the Folkwear pattern (a misnomer--there is nor real pattern to kiltmaking because so much depends on the pattern of the fabric and the wearer's body), but the drawings may help explain things a little better. Contact "Threads" Magazine, The Taunton Press, Inc., 63 S Main St., PO Box 5506, Newtown, CT 06470-5506 to see if copies of this back issue are available. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:01:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Hope A. Greenberg" Subject: Re: Re[2]: CD-ROM of Costumes??? > As an aside, does the mailing list have a Web Page? And could it be used > to set up a Costume database that could be a visual reference > library of costumes? Where people could upload/download gifs and graphics > etc? I recently sent a message asking if anyone was interested in a Web site of costumes constructed by members of this group. My idea was that it would be easier to see construction details and designs in pictures. I'd be happy to broaden that to a Web page that encompasses the entire subject of historic costuming. But first, two questions: 1) Is there enough interest in seeing a Web page devoted to historic costuming? 2) Are the members ready and willing to send me materials, pictures, descriptions, book lists, suggestions....you tell me... - Hope ----------------- Hope Greenberg Hope.Greenberg@uvm.edu Academic Computing http://moose.uvm.edu/~hag Univ. of Vermont Come visit The Hall's latest addition: Burlington, VT 05405 The Ovid Project ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 08:17:32 CST From: donna parker Subject: Wigs and Wiglets I can remember about 1970 in southern Kentucky my soon-to-be sister-in-law wearing a wiglet to church and at her wedding. Her normal hair-do was a simple flip, but when whe donned her hairpiece the flip turned into an elegant cascade of curls (or so we thought then) down back of her head. I usually wore by hair parted in the middle, long and straight (with the help of mother's iron and ironing board) but at times wore a short frosted wig. I don't remember other girls at my highschool wearing wigs, though I didn't ever feel like I stood out so it must have been accepted. I do remember my older sister (8 years older) is the one who talked my into buying it. My most vivid memory with this wig is bending over the oven to remove my morning toast and singeing (melting) the bangs. Donna Parker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:00:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Deb Subject: Re: Re[2]: CD-ROM of Costumes??? Oooh, oooh, oooh!!! If votes will help, put me down as a hearty Yes, Please !!!! for a CDrom of costumes. I've even got a CD drive on back order. It's BOUND to be here by the time you publish your CDrom. I hope. Deb <===========================================================================> Deb Baddorf Fermilab, MS220 Arthurian,Inkling,&Regency buff Baddorf@fnal.gov PO Box 500 Costumer, RevWar re-enactor Baddorf@fnal.bitnet Batavia, IL 60510 MAC Q605 w/ IIe emulator & FPU ------------------------------ From: KTRuby@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 10:26:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Leg Painting We used flesh-colored (tanned) leg makeup in high school to wear with shorts so we didn't have pasty white legs. We also painted little tattoo-looking designs on our knees and ankles. I remember the advertisements for painting legs in a lot wilder patterns, but I never saw anyone actually do it -- other than maybe at a slumber party, and wash it off before going out in public; however, the little ones on ankles and knees were acceptable. I also remember my mother telling me that during the war, when nylon/silk stockings were hard to come by, the girls wore leg makeup and also painted a brown line up the back of their legs to look like seamed stockings. ------------------------------ From: KTRuby@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 10:34:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Wiglets I had, at one time, 5 or 6 hair pieces in the late 60's -- a fall, a cascade (a large, elongated wiglet, which was curly), several wiglets, and switch (custom blended). Sometimes I wore the fall, and a cascade at the same time. They were a pain to wear (it got pretty itchy and sweaty in the summer), but the hair styles were fantastic, and impossible with normal hair. I still use switches for costuming. Jose Eber's Secret Hair reminds me of the sausge curls we had in the 70's. They were individual ringlets attached to bobby pins. We pinned them in our hair for instant curly tendrils over our ears, at the nape of the neck, and forehead for a gibson girl look (using a chignon (or switch) at the top of our hair, which we had ratted up and pulled together in a top-knot. ------------------------------ From: Kimberly Subject: Anglo-Saxon books... Thankyou! Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 10:55:57 -0500 (EST) Thank you everyone that gave me suggestions for books! My library just received a couple of them and I'm having a very hard time concentrating on my homework with the books sitting on my bed. It looks like I'll be taking a lot of LONG study breaks today. *grin* From the little bit that I have looked at the books, they look great. Now I get to start doing some sewing... (If only this could be turned in as homework....) Kimberly kjwegner@mtu.edu ------------------------------ From: "Lassman, Linda" Subject: pantyhose Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 10:50:00 PST My mother brought home some pairs of stockings that were somewhere in-between. They came in two pieces, but required no garters to wear. Instead, they attached at the waist, front and back (with snaps, I think). They must have come out near the same time as pantyhose,or maybe a little after, because I remember that having the separate legs meant you didn't have to throw away a whole pair of pantyhose because one leg had run. They were interchangable. Does any one else remember this peculiar invention, or know why it didn't catch on? Mary Wood MPW@gml.lib.uwm.edu Yes, I remember seeing them, but I recall them being somewhat more expensive than pantyhose, and also remember wondering what you did if you ended up with 12 left legs and no right legs. Maybe those 2 reasons were why they didn't last. - Linda Lassman Winnipeg, Manitoba ------------------------------ From: Willie Peloquin Subject: Re: Re[2]: CD-ROM of Costumes??? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 11:13:09 -0500 (EST) >> As an aside, does the mailing list have a Web Page? And could it be used >> to set up a Costume database that could be a visual reference >> library of costumes? Where people could upload/download gifs and graphics >> etc? > > >I recently sent a message asking if anyone was interested in a Web site >of costumes constructed by members of this group. My idea was that it >would be easier to see construction details and designs in pictures. > >I'd be happy to broaden that to a Web page that encompasses the entire >subject of historic costuming. But first, two questions: > >1) Is there enough interest in seeing a Web page devoted to historic >costuming? > >2) Are the members ready and willing to send me materials, pictures, >descriptions, book lists, suggestions....you tell me... I would be very interested in a historic costuming Web page. I have several images I could contribute. I am very interested in Landsknecht and Viking costumes. I would also contribute information on actually building costumes as I figure it out myself. I am not very good at making costumes, but I am trying. Such a site would be of great use to me, and I will share the things I am learning at this time. I will forward this message to my SCA group's mailing list and see if I can stir up some interest in digitizing some costumes made by members of my group. Willie ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Willie Peloquin PP-ASEL | I'm not a kid anymore, but this ain't no wpeloqui@medar.com | midlife crisis, because whiskey and women | have always been my vices! Bocephus ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:49:46 -0700 (MST) From: "Carol E. Newby" Subject: Re: kilt making On Thu, 23 Mar 1995 RJRowoldt@aol.com wrote: > better. Contact "Threads" Magazine, The Taunton Press, Inc., 63 S Main St., > PO Box 5506, Newtown, CT 06470-5506 to see if copies of this back issue are > available. This article is available via Inter-Library Loan. I have used this set of instructions for several kilts, and am getting ready to make one for my five yr. old son (found some decent weight wool for $5 a yd. at a shop here locally). The "Threads" article gives instruction for the modern "Litttle" kilt. If you are looking for info and good illustrations on how to wear a "Great" kilt there are some in a book titled "So You're Going to Wear The Kilt" by J. Charles Thompson. ISBN # 0 86228 017 6. Carol * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Unless you are the lead dog, /\_/\ The view is always the same." > < > ^ ^ < source: bumper sticker >(_o_)< U ------------------------------ From: "Lassman, Linda" Subject: Stockings & wiglets Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 17:01:00 PST THe 1960's magazines also seemed to use at least one hairpiece or wiglet (up to 3 or 4 for fancy hairstyles) in everything they showed. How many people really wore wigs & wiglets that often? I remember my mom having one wig, which she only wore to parties & she didn't like it because it was hot & itchy (but she liked the look of the "perfect hairdo"). Alison I remember that a friend of mine who had very short hair in high school bought a slightly-longer-than-shoulder-length fall, and while on the one hand I was horribly jealous because it was such a cool thing, it really looked ratty after the first time she wore it because it was synthetic and never really recovered from its first experience with the wind. I also remember that one of my aunts had a wig--not because I remember seeing her wear it, but because she told us she didn't wear it any more because she made the mistake of wearing it when she was taking something out of the oven and the front melted (fortunately, not to her!)! When I was at university in the early '70s, I had very long hair and so bought a short wig just to have something different, but only wore it a few times because it was _so_ scratchy! I did have the wonderfully satisfying experience of shocking all my friends, who thought I actually had cut my hair off! - Linda Lassman Winnipeg, Manitoba ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:34:21 -0800 From: Alison Kondo Subject: Leg painting, WW2 Mom also had the same story about leg painting during WW2, & commented that she got pretty fast slapping it on, but it was hard to get the painted "seam" straight. She laughs (now) at the lengths women went to just to look like they were wearing stockings. I wonder if the leg paint smudged off on things (clothing, chairs, etc) or if it was pretty stable. (Mom was in England & she says the clothing ration- ing was much worse there & started earlier than in the US. How much was clothing rationed in the US during the War, aside from nylons?) Alison ------------------------------ From: dianeg@orion.csd.sgi.com (Diane Grason) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 10:23:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Re[2]: CD-ROM of Costumes??? On Mar 23, 9:01am, Hope A. Greenberg wrote: > Subject: Re: Re[2]: CD-ROM of Costumes??? > > I recently sent a message asking if anyone was interested in a Web site > of costumes constructed by members of this group. My idea was that it > would be easier to see construction details and designs in pictures. > >1) Is there enough interest in seeing a Web page devoted to historic >costuming? I'm very interested in this idea and would be willing to contribute. I created a local home page and included pictures of some of my "creations" which I would love to share and I'd also like to see what others have been working on. I have used the web crawler in search of other historical/vintage garment home pages, but have found virtually nothing of interest. Any efforts at setting something up would be much appreciated. dianeg -- _______________________________ | | | Diane M. Grason | | dianeg@csd.sgi.com | | System Admin, ESS/CSD | | (415) 390-1473 | "But now I'm safe in the eye | (415) 254-9279 (pager) | of the tornado..." |_______________________________| D. Mustaine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 13:11:06 -0600 (CST) From: Helen Mayo Subject: Re: Leg painting, WW2 Ditto on the Mom story here. From what my Mom has said, it was streaky and hard to apply evenly. When the artifical tanning stuff came out in the mid 60's I remember my Mom telling me stories of how she *hated* painting her legs, and couldn't see why anyone would do it in order to not have to wear stockings, when they were so cheap and available...and in her mind, an easier way to have fashionably colored legs. (I have to agree. I remember a friend of mine, more adventerous than I, ending up with orangy legs that had what looked like streaks of brownish orange paint running down one side where she hadn't gotten the QT evenly distributed...and it had to *wear off* in the days before we were allowed to wear pants to school.) Oh the pangs of adolescence. :( On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Alison Kondo wrote: > > Mom also had the same story about leg painting during WW2, > & commented that she got pretty fast slapping it on, but it was hard > to get the painted "seam" straight. She laughs (now) at the lengths > women went to just to look like they were wearing stockings. I wonder > if the leg paint smudged off on things (clothing, chairs, etc) or if it > was pretty stable. (Mom was in England & she says the clothing ration- > ing was much worse there & started earlier than in the US. How much > was clothing rationed in the US during the War, aside from nylons?) > > Alison > > ------------------------------ From: alana_guy@broder.com Date: Thu, 23 Mar 95 11:09:37 Subject: CD-ROM of Costumes "That would be so cool if you could print out the patterns, even as on online service that idea has a lot of potential." - Gary H. ...A helpful comment from a costume-loving co-worker. There might be copyright problems involved - I'm no lawyer. However, since a lot of the cost of patterns is the printing and cutting of paper, why not pass that cost on to the end-user? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 11:32:12 -0800 From: delarorm@sce.com (Ruby de la Rosa) Subject: Re: Re[2]: CD-ROM of Costumes??? >On Wed, 22 Mar 1995 jeff.sargent@hmg.com wrote: > >> I'm working on it, I'm working on it, awready! Gimme a break! >> I had a consultant, but she turned out to be something other >[material deleted] ON WEDNESDAY 3/22 LUANA LISANDRO WORTE: >Can we open it up for discussion on the mailing list? What features >would people want on such a CD-ROM? What are the important points? REPLY: opps, forgot the caps!! sorry, I think this is a wonderful idea, to have it open to us! I would love to help, yet i am not very good on a computer yet much less know my way around a cd-rom!! keep me posted!!. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 11:35:10 -0800 From: delarorm@sce.com (Ruby de la Rosa) Subject: Re: Re[2]: CD-ROM of Costumes??? >I recently sent a message asking if anyone was interested in a Web site >of costumes constructed by members of this group. My idea was that it >would be easier to see construction details and designs in pictures. > >----------------- >Hope Greenberg Hope.Greenberg@uvm.edu >Academic Computing http://moose.uvm.edu/~hag >Univ. of Vermont Come visit The Hall's latest addition: >Burlington, VT 05405 The Ovid Project reply: it sound wonderful, however i am learning and new to this "historic costume" my new hobby really. I would be willing to help if I could in any way possible.. ------------------------------ End of Volume 266 -----------------------