From: Gretchen Miller Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 18:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: H-Costume Digest, Volume 335, 7/7/95 The Historic Costume List Digest, Volume 335, July 7, 1995 Send items for the list to h-costume@andrew.cmu.edu (or reply to this message). Send subscription/deletion requests and inquiries to h-costume-request@andrew.cmu.edu Enjoy! ------------------------------ Topics: Question and answer: Body forms for the beginning artist Costume Technician wanter, Sonoma State U Question: Painted armor Woad's effects Elizabethan fan idea Braveheart costumes Question and answer: Info on 16th C beadwork ISO: Amazon Drygoods address/phone ISO: Period behavior manual ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Jul 95 22:02 WET From: bach@lava.net (Terry A. Bach) Subject: body forms I was wondering if anybody out there could help me. I will be designing for two plays soon, and although my pattern making and sewing skills are excellent, my drawing is terrible! I need to present renderings to the director. I wondered if anybody knew of a book with body forms ( men and ladies, plus- size ladies as well), that I could use as a base for my sketches. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Laura Bach bach@lava.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 11:25:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Katherine L. Rodman" Subject: Re: drawing skills Re: body forms Terry: Like you, my drawing skills are lacking. Two basic suggestions, get a good anatomy book, there is one based on Da Vinci's work that I have, and secondly take a life drawing class. Even though I rarely draw people in the nude, I have found that this class helped alot. One other suggestion that I use, instead of trying to draw your rendering with clothes to begin with, draw a stick figure of your pose, then add flesh, then draw your clothing onto your fleshed out body. This has made all the difference in the world to me. I hope this helps. Kat Rodman On Sat, 1 Jul 1995, Terry A. Bach wrote: > I was wondering if anybody out there could help me. I will be designing for > two plays soon, and although my pattern making and sewing skills are > excellent, my drawing is terrible! I need to present renderings to the > director. I wondered if anybody knew of a book with body forms ( men and > ladies, plus- size ladies as well), that I could use as a base for my > sketches. Any help would be greatly appreciated! > Laura Bach > bach@lava.net > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 11:01:47 +0000 From: "GILLIAN RICHARDS (02) 716 3712" Subject: Re : Types of lacings Actually, if one has to ask the question, then the chances are that it would be of interest to others as well, and you are the only one brave enough to speak out! I would like to know, too. Gillian P.S. "The only stupid question is the one you don't ask." G. Bray, CSN Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 19:50:49 -0700 From: fishcat@hooked.net (Trystan L. Bass) Subject: Re: body forms bach@lava.net (Terry A. Bach) asked: >I was wondering if anybody out there could help me. I will be designing for >two plays soon, and although my pattern making and sewing skills are >excellent, my drawing is terrible! I need to present renderings to the >director. I wondered if anybody knew of a book with body forms ( men and >ladies, plus- size ladies as well), that I could use as a base for my >sketches. Any help would be greatly appreciated! >Laura Bach >bach@lava.net There are some good body forms in the Whole Costumer's Catalog. There's a set of "average" male & female body forms & a set of "high-fashion" male & female forms. I use these a lot! Here's the contact info: Whole Costumer's Catalog Box 207, Main Street Beallsville, PA 15313 (412) 632-3242 Compuserve: 71620,2247 fishcat@hooked.net @->->-- Trystan L. Bass --<-<-@ TrystBass@aol.com http://www.hooked.net/users/fishcat/ ------------------------------ From: LarryKin@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 23:47:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Creative Jobs for Creative People In a message dated 95-07-02 13:28:02 EDT, you write: > >This morning's Santa Rosa Press-Democrat carried, among its classifieds, >the following two job openings. I thought of you guys, and your friends, >and your friends' friends: > >COSTUME TECHNICIAN. Center for Performing Arts, Sonoma State >University. Part-time salary $13.20-$15.80/hour. Cutter/draper. >Review will begin with resumes received by 7/12 and continue until >position is filled. Send resume to: Human Services, PO37, SSU, 1801 E. >Cotati Avenue, Rohnert Park, CA 94928. from ann to larry to h-costume. l kincaid ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 95 10:28:37 BST From: Alan Braggins Subject: Re: H-Costume Digest, Volume 332, 6/30/95 > Apologies if this has already been covered. Oh, by the way--judging from > this film, nothing comes between a Scotsman and his kilt. Nothing. Hence the old joke "Is anything worn under the kilt? No, its all in perfect order." Anyway, talk of Scotland reminds me of something I saw this weekend - a painting of two knights who had been killed "doing their duty in Scotland". Foolishly, I didn't make a note of their names or the dates, but what interested me was that they were shown with their arms painted on their breastplates (not on a surcoat). (One of them did have a shield, but its inside was towards the viewer, so I've no idea whether it was painted too). The whole thing was pretty stylised, and the arms were quartered enough that they looked more designed to show the family tree than to provide identification in battle, but was it ever customary to paint armour? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 07:04:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Judy Gerjuoy Subject: Re: H-Costume Digest, Volume 332, 6/30/95 On Mon, 3 Jul 1995, Alan Braggins wrote: > > Anyway, talk of Scotland reminds me of something I saw this weekend - a > painting of two knights who had been killed "doing their duty in Scotland". > Foolishly, I didn't make a note of their names or the dates, but what > interested me was that they were shown with their arms painted on their > breastplates (not on a surcoat). (One of them did have a shield, but its > inside was towards the viewer, so I've no idea whether it was painted too). > > The whole thing was pretty stylised, and the arms were quartered enough > that they looked more designed to show the family tree than to provide > identification in battle, but was it ever customary to paint armour? I would like to know the dates and where those knights were supposed to be from. I would especially like to know when the pictures was done! I do costuming and heraldry, and collect pictures of people wearing their heraldry. A quick run through my pictures and what little I have in the way of books on armour shows no pictures of men wearing their arms painted directly on their breastplates. They were it on tabards/surcoats yes, but not directly on their armour. There are a couple of pictures that look that way at first glance, but closer inspection shows what to be inaccurate. However, just because I don't know of any examples, doesn't mean it's didn't happen - just that I don't know of any! Jaelle jaelle@access.digex.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 07:56:46 -0500 (EST) From: andrea ruth leed Subject: Re: Woad Warrior Woad is also a hallucinogenic drug when ingested. Who knows, enough smeared on your skin would probably have the same effect. No wonder the celts were so scary in battle...thousands of naked, tripping berserkers would not be a fun thing to face. Drea ============================= aleed@ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 07:58:13 -0500 (EST) From: andrea ruth leed Subject: Re: Late 16th cen, fans I've no idea if this is period, but the easiest solution I see would be to make the wooden handle and use a drill to drill holes along the top to glue the feathers in. Drea On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, dbrowne wrote: > I am looking for good instructions on constructing a tuft fan. > The kind with a solid handle and feathers emerging from it. Any > nibbles? How about you Elizabethian folk? > Katrinn > Kathy B > > ============================= aleed@ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 12:36:25 -0400 From: Beth Stegenga Subject: COSTUME: Braveheart -Reply >>> Christina Cary 06/26/95 01:52pm >>> > For one, the bridal gown is ivory and gold. I thought that white/ivory bridal gowns weren't popular until Queen Victoria, who married about 1840 or so. Was white/ivory also worn before that, or was this done to cue modern audiences that she was the bride in the scene? I have not seen Braveheart (YET), but I can comment on this. Brides did not wear white in the Middle Ages. And yes, white dresses came into fashion during the Victorian Age. In medieval times, the bride wore her best dress, and this tradition carried up until the late 1800's. However, popular patterns for bridal dresses came and went, such as the plaid faze that happened in America during the 1860's. As for Braveheart, I would think the costumers did this to clue the audience in. If they had her wearing a more authentic dress, many people would comment about why she was not wearing white, was she not pure, etc. I have heard, however, that queens about to be crowned wore white. All and all, in period films, they usually mess up weddings. For instance, they portray them as being inside the church, but this did not start to happen until the 15th c (or late 14th). Until then, the actual ceremony was performed outside at the chapel doors, then all went inside for prayer. That does spoil the effect, however, of the bride coming down the aisle. Beth nobam@huber.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 11:42:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Gwyndlyn J Ferguson Subject: Re: body forms On Sat, 1 Jul 1995, Terry A. Bach wrote: > I was wondering if anybody out there could help me. I will be designing for > two plays soon, and although my pattern making and sewing skills are > excellent, my drawing is terrible! I need to present renderings to the > director. I wondered if anybody knew of a book with body forms ( men and > ladies, plus- size ladies as well), that I could use as a base for my > sketches. Any help would be greatly appreciated! > Laura Bach > bach@lava.net > Laura, Since it looks like you are at a University, try the library in the fashion design area (it's the "TX" area in Lib.Congress, I think). There are several books available about fashion drawing, and most give blank body forms for women, men and children. I know 'cause I can't draw either!> gf *Gwyn Ferguson***Western Illinois University *SCA: Lady Gwyndlyn Caer Vyrddin***Lochmorrow-Midrealm *Internet: mugjf@bgu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 1995 11:11:07 -0800 From: "Karen Lovejoy" Subject: Beadwork Subject: Time:10:58 OFFICE MEMO Beadwork Date:7/3/95 Hello, I am new to this network so I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this or not but anyway, here goes. I am seeking sources of information about the techniques used in application of beads to cloth as it was practised in the Middle Ages, most particularly in the 16th century. If you know of any books or articles or anything else that would be of any help in my quest, I would be most appreciative if you would send an answer my way. Also, I found an address for a beadwork network in Bead And Button Magazine but it doesn't work. Does anyone know of one that does? My e-mail address is klovejoy@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 15:37:08 -0500 (EST) From: andrea ruth leed Subject: Amazon dry goods? I /know/ I'm going to get flamed for this (and justifiably), but does anyone have the address and phone of Amazon Dry goods? I had it in three different places on my account, but they're not there anymore. neither is anything else, for that matter. (Core Dumps are such nasty things.) Please email me privately at aleed@indiana.edu if you have it to hand. Drea Leed ============================= aleed@ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 20:01:03 -0600 (MDT) From: "Carol E. Newby" Subject: Re: body forms In my costume design courses last year our instructor had us use period paper doll books as a source for figures. We would trace them onto tracing paper, then use a light box or well lit window to trace them onto the drawing paper. I also discovered that our local Kinkos could photocopy my drawings onto a nice rag paper that was easy to paint. Carol On Sat, 1 Jul 1995, Terry A. Bach wrote: > I was wondering if anybody out there could help me. I will be designing for > two plays soon, and although my pattern making and sewing skills are > excellent, my drawing is terrible! I need to present renderings to the > director. I wondered if anybody knew of a book with body forms ( men and > ladies, plus- size ladies as well), that I could use as a base for my > sketches. Any help would be greatly appreciated! > Laura Bach > bach@lava.net > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Unless you are the lead dog, /\_/\ The view is always the same." > < > ^ ^ < source: bumper sticker >(_o_)< U ------------------------------ From: LarryKin@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 22:30:44 -0400 Subject: costume technition > >COSTUME TECHNICIAN. Center for Performing Arts, Sonoma State >University. Part-time salary $13.20-$15.80/hour. Cutter/draper. >Review will begin with resumes received by 7/12 and continue until >position is filled. Send resume to: Human Services, PO37, SSU, 1801 E. >Cotati Avenue, Rohnert Park, CA 94928. from ann to larry to h-costume. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 08:41:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Judy Gerjuoy Subject: Re: Beadwork DRESS ACCESSORIES, by Geoff Egan & Frances Pritchard, London HMSO, Produced by the Musuem of London, 1991, ISBN 0-11-290444-0. Is a book about medieval finds from excavations in London, 1150-1450. It has a chapter on beads. It deals with what they were made of, and how they were made. The book isn't cheap - my copy is listed at 40 pounds. I got it here in the states from Poison Pen Press, 627 E. 8th Street, Brooklyn, NY 11218. There are 3 other books (to date) in the series. TEXTILES & CLOTHING by Elisabeth Crowfoot, Frances Pritchard & Kay Staniland, has a chapter on sewing and tailoring techniques. While the chapter does not address beading per say, it does deal with sewing on buttons and trim, and should be useful. Jaelle jaelle@access.digex.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 13:34:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Katherine L. Rodman" Subject: Re: body forms Carol: The only problem with using this method is that you do not get very much life in your drawings. Your renderings will "sell" better to your director if there is more movement (i.e. line variation and poses). Terry, for your first designs, I think your director and your design proffesor? would probably be much happier with free drawn figures than with traced figures. Carol, the only reason I suggest this is I got burned in a portfolio review with a director who said he was tired of seeing the same old poses over and over again. Good Luck! Katherine Rodman ------------------------------ Subject: Woad Date: Tue, 04 Jul 1995 13:36:14 -0400 From: Zachary Kessin >I think the "blue paint" is supposed to be woad, derived from a plant also >used for dying. If the actors used the real stuff, they were "braver of >heart" that we realize, because it was supposed to be particularly, uh..., >"pungent". One theory was that they wore it in hunting and in battle >because it covered the "scent" of fear. I have seen real woad. It does not smell that bad. There is a touch of oder but nothing awfull. I dont think wearing it would overwelm you with smell. --Zach (No Idea if the Picts or anyone else ever *DID* wear it but it dosn't smell that bad) ------------------------------ From: TheaG@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 13:48:44 -0400 Subject: Period Behavior Sorry to be so behind on the discussion... I seem to remember hearing about at least one etiquette manual written in the 16th century...maybe aimed specifically at courtiers? If you know of a reprint of such a beast, please post or e-mail the reference. I would prefer Italian or French manners (if I have a choice) but, alas, need the text in English. Thanks Thea (TheaG@aol.com) ------------------------------ End of Volume 335 -----------------------