From: owner-h-costume-digest (H-Costume Digest) To: h-costume-digest@lunch.engr.sgi.com Subject: H-Costume Digest V3 #261 Reply-To: h-costume Sender: owner-h-costume-digest@lunch.engr.sgi.com Errors-To: owner-h-costume-digest@lunch.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk H-Costume Digest Tuesday, November 28 1995 Volume 3, Number 261 Compilation copyright (C) 1995 Diane Barlow Close and Gretchen Miller Use in whole prohibited. Individual articles are the property of the author. Seek permission from that author before reprinting or quoting elsewhere. Important Addresses: Send submissions to: h-costume@lunch.engr.sgi.com (or reply to this message). Adds/drops/archives: majordomo@lunch.engr.sgi.com Real, live person: h-costume-request@andrew.cmu.edu Topics: Re: footcloths Corset Homepage Re: Hook and eye tape La Lame address Public TV Idea Re: Hook and eye tape hook and eye tape English Reinactment groups in the US hook & eye tape Re: Authentic Green Specs 19th Century Costume Balls 1860's Children's Clothing Raiments re: hook and eye tape Tea Re: Tea Age of Innocence Tea Age of Innocence Tea Re: Hook and eye tape Re: footcloths Re-Hook and Eye tape Raiments >>> AlterYears Late 1870's Clothing (was: Re: Age of Innocence Tea) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 11:35:49 -0500 From: reaves@tuvok.marian.edu Subject: Re: footcloths Lrp@westol.com wrote: > I know the Russian use footcloths, and have done so for a very long time. The >GErman and Austrian armies used them in WWI. They are almost as comfortable as >regular socks, depending on the material that you use. I've worn them and know >that they work. > > What my posting was about, was when and where did the idea originate? Is it >earlier than socks, or something that came later? I'm looking for whatever >hard >data there is historically on this subject. Anything you can contribute? The earliest surviving socks date back to the early Coptic period, made with nalbindung, while knitted socks survive from about the eighth century. No doubt leg and foot wraps are older. Check articles about the Swiss/Italian glacier man. I think I recall that his legs and feet were wrapped, but I could be wrong (that material isn't on campus with me). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:04:24 -0500 (EST) From: Drea Leed Subject: Corset Homepage Everyone, Just wanted to mention that the page on elizabethan corsets is up, albeit under severe construction (I still haven't done the page on how to make a pattern from measurements, or the pages on how to make different kinds of corsets from the pattern--tabbed, strapped/strapless, etc.). I do have the page on materials up, instructions on wearing a corset, and a link to an online corset-selling company (modern, alas, but there is some stuff there). Due to a sudden increase in my already slavish workload, I'm going to have to stop work on the page for a few weeks; so I figured I'd give you what I had so far, rather than making you wait. Remember, it /is/ under a lot of construction. the address is: http://nickel.ucs.indiana.edu/~aleed/corsets/ have fun! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 10:27:12 -0800 From: Margo Glenn-Lewis Subject: Re: Hook and eye tape >I was wondering if any of you in the San Francisco Bay Area know where to buy >hook and eye "tape". I have found it in package form at the Yardage shop in Sacramento. You might try calling yardage shops.... I have not been able to locate it other than pre-packaged since the local chain fabric store stopped carrying it altogether. I used to see it in one of the mail-order catlogs, but no more. If anyone knows of a source, please let me know! I love this stuff - I us it in my dance costumes! Doesn't gap, doesn't pop out, and can be manipulated by very nervous fingers. Margo Margo Glenn-Lewis Opal Sun Softweare "The truth is rarely pure, and never simple." Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 12:03:00 PST From: "Tobey, Pam" Subject: La Lame address Gail, I finally remembered to check a theatrical sourcebook for NY I have and found the La Lame info. I hope it isn't too late for your use. (I'll also post it to the list so others who are interested can note it.) My book is copyright 1990, so I can't guarantee they are still in the same location. La Lame 250 West 39th St. 5th floor NY, NY 10018 (212) 921-9770 located between 7th and 8th Avenues open Mon.-Fri., 9a.m.-5p.m. If you or anyone reading the group needs info about NY sources, I can look it up in my little book. They list all kinds of things the costumer and theater professional might need, like props, curtains, notions, fabrics, millinary, all kinds of rentals, etc. I have found most of these places are still in the same locations. Except the book. I think the publisher went out of business in 1991 or 92. Pam Tobey Tobeyp@washpost.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 20:17:42 -0500 From: horseman@together.net (Ken Horseman) Subject: Public TV Idea I am the Executive Producer of Mountain Lake Public Television. We are researching an idea for a series of short fillers on how various individuals who lived at various times in history would get dressed. How might a "flapper girl" have dressed? What would the well dressed southern belle have worn? We're interested in sources of costumes as well as expertise for the idea. Any ideas? Thanks. Ken Horseman Mountain Lake Public TV One Sesame Street Plattsburgh, NY 12901 518-563-9770 EMail: horseman@together.net OR horseman@nylink.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:08:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tracy Miller Subject: Re: Hook and eye tape Try Britex in San Francisco or Lacis in Berkeley. Between the two, they have just about anything. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:58:28 -0500 From: Gaelscot@aol.com Subject: hook and eye tape I have used hook and eye tape on a Victorian ballgown bodice, and it worked wonderfully. Much easier to sew, particularly if you're in a hurry. In Cincinnati, Ohio, you can buy it at just about any fabric store, although at some stores it's ridiculously expensive. Shop around. Sometimes it's in the bridal section. I would just ask the salesperson, he or she should know just where the stuff is kept. Gail Finke gaelscot@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 14:51:29 PST From: Stacey_Weinberger@wadsworth.com Subject: English Reinactment groups in the US Does anyone know of groups in the San Francisco Bay area that do reinacting of mid 19th century England (1830s-1860s) year 'round? I'd like to pursue my anglophilia more than once a year than at Dickens! Thank you very much, Stacey Stacey_Weinberger@Wadsworth.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:56:11 -0800 From: erin1@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Erin Harvey Moody) Subject: hook & eye tape There are several types of hook and eye tape. If you are looking for the standard stuff on the roll (that usually comes with hooks that have white epoxy over them) in the Bay area try: Poppy's in Oakland, Stone Mountain & Daughter in Berkeley, and Britex in SF. Lacis in Berkeley carries it without the epoxy finish. However, the stuff you probably want is the LARGE hook and eye tape which is better used for costuming (i.e. bodice closures) that is much stronger and easier to use. You have to order that from Richard the Thread. Perhaps someone on the list can post the info, I dont have it with me here...... Erin Moody ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 12:38:42 HST From: 00dc@pnet16.navy.mil (Et2 Warthen) Subject: Re: Authentic Green Specs cwood@primenet.com (Ysabeau) was looking for info on authentic specs. My father lives in Taiwan and visits regularly. His next visit is in December. The last time he came, he brought me two pair of 19th century sunglasses he had acquired in China. They are cast bronze, with a hinge in the middle of the earpiece. They don't curve around the ear, but rest on top, with a round flat piece that keeps them from sliding off. The are thick green glass, one with oval lenses, one with round. They don't have nosepieces, just kinda rest there. They are not very light, and (more than) slightly uncomfortable. If you are interested in a pair, e-mail me and I will see what I can do. If he can get a couple of pair to bring with him, I will have him do so if you desire. Stephanie INET: 00dc@pnet16.navy.mil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:35:12 -0700 From: cwood@primenet.com Subject: 19th Century Costume Balls By accident I nuked the message from the person in New Mexico looking for info on costume balls. If you are still out there could you e-mail me off list? I have a friend who is putting together a costume ball at Fort Verde, Arizona in the Spring and she wanted to get in contact with your organization. Thanks Cynthia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:57:07 -0800 From: Joan Broneske Subject: 1860's Children's Clothing Once again, I need your collective expertise: What would a boy of 7 wear during the first half of the 1860's? I have = seen a boy in a Zouave jacket and pants in one book (the pants kind of = looked like bullfighter's pants, they came sort of tight into just below = the knee). Is this proper? I have also been told that they would have = dressed like little men. Would they have worn a frock coat and = waistcoat like the gentlemen for dress? What would they have worn to play in, for travelling in or for day wear = (going into town with Mother). Thanks for all your help Joan Broneske ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:59:34 -0800 From: Joan Broneske Subject: Raiments I know that Gary from Raiments has posted on here a few times and I have = heard people talking back and forth about Raiments. I have an old = catalogue of theirs (a couple of years old) and there are some things I = would like to order, but am not sure if the price has gone up. Does = Raiments have an e-mail address or web page where they can be contacted, = or do they prefer by snail mail or phone? If anyone knows anything about this, please let me know. Thanks, Joan Broneske ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:05:32 -0800 (PST) From: Kimberly Smay Subject: re: hook and eye tape If you can't find hook and eye tape locally, Greenberg and Hammer in new york have it, including some with two rows of eyes. Kimberly Smay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:33:39 -0800 From: erin1@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Erin Harvey Moody) Subject: Tea Is anyone on the list attending the "Age of Innocence Tea" in San Francsico this weekend, and what are you wearing? I would like to meet any other list people who might be there.... Erin Moody P.S. Thanks Sally, I got my tickets already! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:37:50 -0800 From: erin1@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Erin Harvey Moody) Subject: Re: Tea I'll be wearing an Autumn tone paisley velveteen late 1870s with jet trim and rust colored walking skirt (last worn at Costume Con '94). My friend Lisa will be wearing an 1876 sky blue dress with a cobalt blue walking skirt from Harpers. Both of us picked up those shoes at Nordstroms I mentioned on the list while they were on sale. Perfect for late Victoria. Please be sure to introduce yourself if I don't see you first. Since it is tea, I assume hats and gloves are the thing..... Erin I'll be wearing a late > 1870's/early 1880's gown in dark blue brocade and satin I > made from a pattern in the book "The Evolution of Fashion". > What about you? > > Loren Dearborn > ldearborn@calacademy.org ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 95 16:54:09 -0800 From: "SNORTON.US.ORACLE.COM" Subject: Age of Innocence Tea I've been busy putting together a fashion show for the Cameron Stanford House in Oakland (1837-1917). So -- I haven't had a chance to make a bustle gown. I have the fabric and pattern. They occupy a place of honour on the floor! The costume period for the tea is 1870 - 1905. I might be the only Edwardian attending. I'll be in a blouse and walking skirt in a tiny poppy/blue print on an ecru background and a cream coloured hat. The tea has sold very well. We will certainly be elegant. Sally snorton@US.oracle.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:37:17 -0700 From: cwood@primenet.com Subject: Age of Innocence Tea >I'll be wearing an Autumn tone paisley velveteen late 1870s with jet trim >and rust colored walking skirt (last worn at Costume Con '94). My friend >Lisa will be wearing an 1876 sky blue dress with a cobalt blue walking >skirt from Harpers. Both of us picked up those shoes at Nordstroms I >mentioned on the list while they were on sale. Perfect for late Victoria. >Please be sure to introduce yourself if I don't see you first. Since it is >tea, I assume hats and gloves are the thing..... > >Erin > >I'll be wearing a late >> 1870's/early 1880's gown in dark blue brocade and satin I >> made from a pattern in the book "The Evolution of Fashion". >> What about you? >> >> Loren Dearborn >> ldearborn@calacademy.org > > Ahhhh...I wish I could go, but alas, here I am in Arizona too too far away. I am happy to see, though, that someone else is doing the late 70s and 80s. I am trying to get together clothes for that period, but I am having a hard time finding information on that time frame. If any of you ladies have any advice you could give me, I would be very grateful if you could contact me off list. Have a lovely time! Ysabeau cwood@primenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 20:42:14 -0500 From: ASchell576@aol.com Subject: Re: Hook and eye tape i believe "raiments" carries it and I know Amazon Dry Goods does as well as Richard the Thread.....I know Richard the Thread is in LA though I do not have their address. Raiments isin Pasadena. the phone number is (818)-797-2723 and Amazon Dry Goods is in Iowa @ 319-322-6800. Hope this helps....I love hook and Eye tape too it's great for costumes and lasts much longer than zippers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 20:22:27 -0600 From: "Mike O'Toole" Subject: Re: footcloths On 27 Nov 95 at 11:35, reaves@tuvok.marian.edu ,who is a wonderful human being said; > The earliest surviving socks date back to the early Coptic period, made > with nalbindung, while knitted socks survive from about the eighth century. What exactly is 'nalbindung'? I have seen it used in conjunction with a pattern for making Viking footware (it was spelled nailbinding) on the web. Thanks for any help. Mike O'Toole @ Regina, SK Canada @ motoole@ucomnet.unibase.com @ Listen to Realtime on CBC Stereo Saturday evening 7-12 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 21:32:38 -0700 (MST) From: Uncle Peach & Costume Witch Subject: Re-Hook and Eye tape Here's the address and phone # for RICHARD THE THREAD 8320 Melrose Ave. West Hollywood, CA 90069 800-473-4997 or 213-8524997, FAX:213-852-1604 They carry all kinds of fasteners and I'm sure they offer hook and eye tape. Good luck Roxanne Roxanne's Creations Portales, NM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 04:13:43 EST From: bglickman@eckert.acadcomp.monroecc.edu Subject: Raiments >>> AlterYears According to an ad on p. 92 of the new _Threads_ (Dec'95-Jan'96), Raiments has changed names to AlterYears. They advertise patterns, books and supplies, "accessories and underpinnings". 160 p catalog $5; Also states "visit our new store": 3749 E. Colorado Blvd. Pasadena CA 91107 phone (818) 585-2994, Fax (818) 432-4530 "The usual disclaimers, etc."; just passing on info. TTFN, Bonnie G. B) - -------------------------------------------------|=|=|-------- Bonnie Glickman =|=|= Bio. Dept.; Monroe Comm. Coll. |=|=| Rochester, NY 14623 (716) 292-2725 =|=|= email: bglickman@eckert.acadcomp.monroecc.edu |=|=| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:26:29 -0500 (EST) From: TC Carstensen Subject: Late 1870's Clothing (was: Re: Age of Innocence Tea) On Mon, 27 Nov 1995 cwood@primenet.com wrote: > I am happy to see, though, that someone else is doing the late 70s and 80s. > I am trying to get together clothes for that period, but I am having a hard > time finding information on that time frame. Aggravating, isn't it? I get especially frustrated with the historical pattern companies since all the gown patterns I've seen seem to skip directly from 1876 to 1883, completely overlooking the cuirass form era. At least The Mantua Maker makes patterns for underwear appropriate to that time. Raiments carries that line of patterns. > If any of you ladies have any > advice you could give me, I would be very grateful if you could contact me > off list. Or on the list, too - I'm sure that there are others of us who would be interested as well. :) The best resource I've found for that era is a bunch of old Harper's Bazars and a copy of Frank Leslie's Ladies' Magazine that I picked up. Not only do they show pictures of the gowns, they give advice on appropriate hairstyles, accessories, and even underwear. They are a fairly complete guide to fashion back then. The ads in the back contain some useful tidbits,too, like approximately when coiled springs came into use as corset stays. I will be scanning these and setting up a web page for them as soon as I can find the time. In the meanwhile, you should get your hands on Stella Blum's book on fashions from Harper's Bazar that Dover puts out. Her book covers most of the second half of the 19th century, and it has a nice chapter on the cuirass form era. Another source is old novels. I just read Edith Wharton's _The Buccaneers_, and picked up a couple interesting bits of information. At one point in the novel, an older female character frets about the closer fitting fashions of 1880 or so. She is concerned that far too much of a woman's legs is revealed by not having several layers of petticoats and crinolines between her and the world. She is further shocked by the suggestion of one her daughters that modern young women dispensed with petticoats entirely in order to reduce bulk under their skirts. Since Edith Wharton was a young woman herself during that time period, I assume she knew what she was talking about. Good luck! TC Carstensen ******************************************************************** It's a good thing I wasn't around in 1885 when women wore such exaggerated bustles that they looked like little centaurs. I would have had a hard time not whinnying while wearing one. :) ------------------------------ End of H-Costume Digest V3 #261 ******************************* A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, send the command lines: unsubscribe h-costume-digest subscribe h-costume end in the body of a message to majordomo@lunch.engr.sgi.com. Thanks and enjoy the list!