From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 08:29:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05286 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:29:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02932; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:43:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28261 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:41:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28247 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:41:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07404 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA06767 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:41:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:41:57 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST:Necklines below bust In-Reply-To: <009701bef444$184e7120$adc3fea9@gunsafes> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: aleed I haven't seen the actual pattern...but from the looks of the pattern cover, yes, that should work. Drea On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Michelle wrote: > > -Poster: "Michelle" > > Then, it should work to use the new Elizabeth, Simplicity, without the slope > in the breast area to make the corset in the Janet arnold book, right? (The > one with the boning absent where the breasts would be) > Michelle > -----Original Message----- > From: aleed > To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Monday, August 30, 1999 9:16 AM > Subject: Re: H-COST:Necklines below bust > > > > > >-Poster: aleed > > > > > >> Similar to the Tudor bodice right? > > > >yup. > > > > > >> So what you are saying is that it is pretty much the equivalent of > >> wearing two bodices, instead of a corset and bodice? You wouldn't wear a > >> corset, a petticoat bodice and a bodice on the outside, right? 2 or 2, > not > >> 3 > > > > > >I don't know how they wore them back then--I myself wear it with a kirtle > >and gown usually, without a corset. I have worn it over a corset when I'm > >wearing fancy Elizabethan court dress. > > > > > >Drea > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 08:56:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05307 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:56:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05253; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:09:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02671 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:08:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02649 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:08:33 -0600 (MDT) From: DRGurley@aol.com Received: from DRGurley@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6XKQa05147 (4234) for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:07:52 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Gypsy pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: DRGurley@aol.com In a message dated 8/31/99 5:36:26 PM Central Daylight Time, sarah_and_pooh@yahoo.com writes: > Ebay is bad... I have discovered this *grin* Advice from a serious ebay addict: get out while you can! :-) Seriously, I have found some wonderful deals on costume pieces and patterns within the last six months...from boots to a Pendragon bodice that I desperately wanted to corset kits. It's definitely a place to keep an eye on for additions to your garb wardrobe. (BTW--If anyone on this list is responsible for selling me any of the items I've purchased, THANK YOU!) DaniG _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 09:02:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05319 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:02:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05828; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:15:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03861 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:14:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03847 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:14:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.149] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11MB9m-0006A2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:14:35 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 07:13:06 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: WAS: Re: H-COST: Gypsy pattern, NOW: EBay In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" So where in the EBay site does one discover 'period' [whatever period] garments, please? I was looking through the fabric pages... . Thank you. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 09:10:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05339 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:10:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06518; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:23:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05435 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:22:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05427 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:22:29 -0600 (MDT) From: DRGurley@aol.com Received: from DRGurley@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6UVJa07549 (4234) for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:21:51 EDT Subject: Re: WAS: Re: H-COST: Gypsy pattern, NOW: EBay To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: DRGurley@aol.com In a message dated 9/1/99 9:15:32 AM Central Daylight Time, cjcannon@greymists.com writes: > So where in the EBay site does one discover 'period' [whatever period] > garments, please? I was looking through the fabric pages... . Thank you. > Carol Carol, it's mostly a luck thing. I search on things like "renaissance", "costume", "garb", "corset", etc. Some of the "custom made costumes" are not quite up to my standards (no offense meant to anyone on this list who sells on ebay) but there are a couple of people clearing out their costume closets for whatever reason. I think there is also a section on patterns and historical clothing. Good luck, but it's addictive. :-) Dani G _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 09:26:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05383 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:26:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08780; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09016 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:38:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09009; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909011438.IAA09009@net.indra.com> To: Costume list From: Karalee Larsen Pugmire Subject: H-COST: Got beets, now what? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Karalee Larsen Pugmire A friend has had an over abundance of beets grow in her garden this year and she has a question. She's heard that beets were used for dying. If that is true, where would we look for information on mordants, and all the other stuff needed to dye and fix a peice of cloth? Karalee Larsen Pugmire karalee.larsen@usa.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 10:29:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05522 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:29:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18695; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24655 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:41:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24632 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pounce.excite.com ([199.172.152.99]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <19990901154029.OEIB2517.gigi@pounce.excite.com> for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:40:29 -0700 From: "StitchWitch" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: WAS: Re: H-COST: Gypsy pattern, NOW: EBay Message-Id: <936200429.11992.494@excite.com> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:40:29 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.163.130.106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "StitchWitch" > > So where in the EBay site does one discover 'period' [whatever period] > > garments, please? I was looking through the fabric pages... . Thank you. > > Carol I've had some luck going to the antiques section of the main menu, then to the fabrics sub-section. There are a lot of linens and such, but every now and then, a costume treasure. Kate ---- StitchWitch Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim. - Santayana, Life of Reason, 1905 ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 10:48:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05544 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:48:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21535; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:01:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19456 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:00:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19438 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA16715.; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:05:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:59:18 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:58:59 +0100 From: "KATE M BUNTING" To: Subject: H-COST: Re. Christening gown Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id KAA19448 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" I second Kat's comments about the Edward V! Prayer Book - nothing to do with the king's own baptism! It's my understanding that, once the practice of swaddling had died out, very young babies (of the wealthier classes, at least) were dressed in very long clothes for everyday wear, so the Christening gown would simply be a "best" version of this. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 11:52:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05615 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:52:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16707; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:33:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21985 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:31:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21970 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p9.directcon.net [206.170.184.58]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19647 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909011530.IAA19647@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST:Necklines below bust Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson At 11:31 PM 08/31/1999 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Michelle" > >Then, it should work to use the new Elizabeth, Simplicity, without the slope >in the breast area to make the corset in the Janet arnold book, right? (The >one with the boning absent where the breasts would be) If you're a B-cup or less, yes, it should work. More than that and you will probably need to change the angle of the shoulder strap. Also, the neckline will need to be lowered several inches. Margo Anderson "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 12:07:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05645 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:07:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02254; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:11:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07096 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:09:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07090 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:09:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p4.directcon.net [206.170.184.53]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02436 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909011708.KAA02436@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: WAS: Re: H-COST: Gypsy pattern, NOW: EBay Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson At 07:13 AM 09/01/1999 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" > > So where in the EBay site does one discover 'period' [whatever period] >garments, please? I was looking through the fabric pages... . Thank you. > Carol There is no specific costume category on Ebay, although there ought to be. If you search on "costume" alone you'll get thousands of hits for costume jewelry. I've seen costumes in the vintage sections, regular clothing, bridal, and collectibles. You really have to search on things like "rennaissance costume" , and expect to see some really wonky examples thereof. Pricing can range from very good to outrageous, depending on how many people are bidding. I find that the prices on any fabric I would want tend to be ridiculous, and costume patterns that you can get at JoAnne's $.99 sale are selling for up to $20. Also be warned that Ebay buying is a case of caveat emptor. I have seen "medieval" costumes that would make an SCA newbie blush, and on the other hand, I've seen 1840's lingerie labeled 1950's. You have to know about what you're buying, or just not care. Margo Anderson "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 12:25:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05656 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:25:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05742; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13078 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:34:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bigred.unl.edu (00217146@bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13071 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:34:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA10981 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:39:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:39:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Hiring servants, was Re: H-COST: elizabethans hanging things from their belts In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19990831201452.3b37abbe@mail2.quiknet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> Wow! I'm sold! Where do you live? Emma > Now, now, not so fast, Margo. Maybe we need to bid on David's services. > There are several of us who could use a sturdy groom. And Michealmas hiring > day is coming soon! > > Master David, I would pay thee two pounds a year plus livery [see, I *did* > keep it costume-related! ] plus full board & lodging and will provide > thee a horse with its yearly keeping since I must travel with the Queen > where e're she goes. What say you? > Joan Jurancich > aka Mistress Blanche Parry, chief Gentlewoman to the Queen [RPFN] > joanj@quiknet.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 12:25:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05660 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:25:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05739; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:36:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13103 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:35:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from luna.worldonline.nl (luna.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.131]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13093 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:35:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by luna.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04445 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:35:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp233-239.worldonline.nl [195.241.233.239]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00291 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:34:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909011734.TAA00291@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Wardrobe Place Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:45:24 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi, Karen wrote: > I was in London just this last February and much to my dismay, I found > that Wardrobe Place is in the middle of being redeveloped. The lovely and > picturesque courtyard which I found on my first few trips to London is > now being torn down and built up with what I expect will be nasty modern > buildings. You can't even really go into the courtyard because it is a > construction site and you need permission and safety gear. Oh no, they did it again. St. > Andrews-by-Wardrobe, a church just next door, had a photographic display > of some of the urban archeology which was done just as the 17th-18th > century buildings were being torn down and which show some of the remains > of the old Wardrobe which were found under them. All that is probably > covered up with modern excressences by now. The Old City is still worth a > look-see if you want a flavor of Old London. They haven't ruined > everything....yet........ Last time I was there was in 1991 and it still was the same as the first time in 1968: the Youth Hostel, the Breakfast Place opposite, manned by loud Italians, the little shops and offices. Are you telling me they have gone too. What about the beautiful pub at the head of Carter Lane near Blackfriars? Shame, Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 14:11:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05946 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:11:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23802; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:24:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06877 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:21:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06871 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:21:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02063 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-89.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.89]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20236 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00f601bef4b0$07e4a900$cdadfea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Gypsy pattern Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:27:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" Sarah, There are a couple of pages of patterns for sale in the AlterYears catalog. (I don't really recommend ordering from them if you don't have a couple of months to wait for your order.) I think there are some in the Amazon Dry Goods catalog too. Michelle > >-Poster: Sarah Toney >I found a BEAUTIFUL gypsy costume on eBay today... so >now I must find the pattern for one... does anyone >know where I could find a pattern for the really >frouffy (is that a word?) gypsy dancer outfits? >Please? > >Sarah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 14:22:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05965 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:22:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26363; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09506 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:33:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09478 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06658 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-89.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.89]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27860 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <012701bef4b1$a1c6c660$cdadfea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: WAS: Re: H-COST: Gypsy pattern, NOW: EBay Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:38:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" I have been thinking about this. People tend to make more costumes as their shape or size changes. Which means, they end up with a box or closet full of stuff they wont or can't use. Why don't more people swap? I think it would be fun. I have given away a few of my things but, I would have rather traded. (Not that I didn't enjoy helping the new-to-fair people...) I have noticed that on both the SCA garb and H-Cost list, when someone mentions having anything that doesn't fit them anymore, there seems to be at least 2 people that ask about it. However, there is that 'standards' problem. > >Carol, it's mostly a luck thing. I search on things like "renaissance", >"costume", "garb", "corset", etc. Some of the "custom made costumes" are not >quite up to my standards (no offense meant to anyone on this list who sells >on ebay) but there are a couple of people clearing out their costume closets >for whatever reason. > >I think there is also a section on patterns and historical clothing. > >Good luck, but it's addictive. :-) >Dani G > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 14:37:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06010 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:37:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29613; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:50:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12543 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:46:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12522 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:46:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from H59013.iastate.edu (costumes.center.iastate.edu [129.186.127.4]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA19297 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:46:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990901142611.009484e0@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> X-Sender: djnash@djnash.mail.iastate.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:46:41 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Doris J Nash Subject: H-COST: Lacing with buttons Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Doris J Nash Hello List! I hope someone has a solution to a problem I'm having. I'm making a version of the Shinrone Gown to wear this weekend and I'm using buttons to lace up the front of the bodice. After getting the 2-dozen little buggers on last night, I discovered that the cording slips off the buttons rather easily. The buttons are 3/8" shank buttons in silver-toned metal. The buttons would pull over, and the cord slipped off. I then tried to "crimp" the shanks, squeezing gently with pliers. That helped a bit, but I was hoping someone on the list could give me a tip or 3 on the subject. Would one type or size of cording work better than another? Or is there something else I can do to the buttons to make this more secure in closing? Thanks for any suggestions! Doris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 14:38:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06017 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:38:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29784; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:51:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13053 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:48:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13038 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:48:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13485 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-89.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.89]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08683 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <013201bef4b3$d565e260$cdadfea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Got beets, now what? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:54:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" I think warming with vinegar in your beet-water mixture should set the color well enough. Every year, when I decorate Easter eggs, I use onion skins. This is how I do it: Simmer skins in water (enough to cover) until skins are transparant, take out skins. Put new skins in, again simmer until transparant. Doing it in stages allows for a darker dye (smaller amount of water, otherwise you dilute the color). Add one quarter to one half a cup of vinegar to the pot. You can simmer the eggs with the color or cook them and let them sit in the cool water. (You can put a leaf, flower, papercut against the shell and wrap it tightly with a piece of nylon stocking to hold it in position. This makes a pretty decoration. Just make sure the plant pieces are edible. Don't poison yourself.) I took a class on cooking for children. During the class we had a special unit on Easter egg dying naturally. You can color them with carots, beets, etc. too. There were a list of veggies and these were on it. No matter which veggie you used, it pretty much works the same way as I described above. If it colors eggs, why wouldn't it work for your fabric? > >-Poster: Karalee Larsen Pugmire > >A friend has had an over abundance of beets grow in her garden this year >and she has a question. She's heard that beets were used for dying. If that >is true, where would we look for information on mordants, and all the other >stuff needed to dye and fix a peice of cloth? > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 14:46:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06059 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:46:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01346; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14766 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:57:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14755 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id MAA29480; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37CD857E.3C820BB6@serv.net> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:58:55 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing with buttons References: <4.1.19990901142611.009484e0@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > After getting the 2-dozen little buggers > on last night, I discovered that the cording slips off the buttons rather > easily. The buttons are 3/8" shank buttons in silver-toned metal. The > buttons would pull over, and the cord slipped off. [snip] Or is there > something else I can do to the buttons to make this more secure in closing? Well, in elizabethan period some men's doublets had lacing eyelets with buttons sewn next to them. So there would be the look of lots of beautiful expensive buttons but the doublet would be laced closed. You could add a row of eyelets and lace in a similar fashion. I can't think of any way to make buttons work except to use buttons that have no shank, flat, round, not-period buttons. But you could use wood, metal, or bone buttons maybe at least they aren't plastic. They would just have to be buttons that lie flat against the fabric and don't wobble. Why did you opt for buttons and not lacing? Merouda -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 15:05:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06113 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:05:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07358; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:18:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19349 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:15:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19335 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:15:09 -0600 (MDT) From: sustre@pixelations.com Received: from [209.244.224.216] (dialup-209.244.227.235.Boston2.Level3.net [209.244.227.235]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14546 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:15:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: amanda@pixelations.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:19:26 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing with buttons Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: sustre@pixelations.com I've heard of lacing through the shanks, after dropping them through they eyelets. I want to try this sometime when I have a lot of nice buttons. BTW, does anyone know how authentic/inauthentic it woulkd be if the buttons werent' all the same, but of similar type? Any period knowledge welcome... -Amanda _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 15:23:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06124 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:23:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11302; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:36:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28558 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:33:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA28543 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:33:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 56193 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1999 20:33:15 -0000 Received: from 207-229-148-185.d.enteract.com (HELO lynnx.enteract.com) (207.229.148.185) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 20:33:15 -0000 Message-ID: <37CDB1C4.2BF2@enteract.com> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:07:48 -0700 From: lynnx X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: ebay gypsy costume? References: <199909010629.AAA28361@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: lynnx AArrrrgghhh, don't keep me in suspense like this!! ;-) Can you find the ebay pic and copy/past the url to it (whole thang) into a post? Thanks Heather (who might be able to help you out if I could see the one you're looking at) > I found a BEAUTIFUL gypsy costume on eBay today... so > now I must find the pattern for one... does anyone > know where I could find a pattern for the really > frouffy (is that a word?) gypsy dancer outfits? > Please? > > Sarah > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 15:38:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06131 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:38:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14234; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02317 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:49:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02305 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:49:14 -0600 (MDT) From: DRGurley@aol.com Received: from DRGurley@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6UEIa22962 (4540) for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <773f66bd.24feeb03@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:48:03 EDT Subject: H-COST: EBay To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: DRGurley@aol.com In a message dated 9/1/99 2:35:43 PM Central Daylight Time, mandrake@mypad.com writes: > Why don't more people swap? I think it would be fun. Michelle~ I agree completely! People who participate regularly in events requiring costume/garb tend to make several pieces for variety (myself included). I do have a friend that I swap pieces with to keep from wearing the same outfit every day of our 18 day run or at other faires that may call for a different time period. Are you suggesting a costume swap via list? How do you propose to do so? I think it's a *fantastic* idea if it can be accomplished. Not only do I change sizes, my children are growing. What do I do with outgrown costumes that are not worth the effort of altering them? >However, there is that 'standards' problem. I truly did not mean my comment to be offensive. I have been doing faire and making costumes for myself, my husband and my children for eight years. While I am by no means a professional seamstress, I do try to stay period and pay attention to things like color and fabric. Some of the things I have seen on ebay have been in bright, shiny gold, trimmed in fur, have zippers, or are poly-rayon blends that look like poly-rayon. Those types of things would not be acceptable at our faire. That's all I meant by "standards." I like to look like I know what I'm doing. I apologize if I've stepped on any toes. DaniG _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 15:43:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06138 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:43:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14978; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03538 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:54:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx2.io.com (IDENT:root@mx2.io.com [199.170.88.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03530; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:54:20 -0600 (MDT) From: ches@io.com Received: from fnord.io.com (IDENT:ches@fnord.io.com [199.170.88.12]) by mx2.io.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23035; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:54:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (ches@localhost) by fnord.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA28552; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:54:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: fnord.io.com: ches owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:54:19 -0500 (CDT) To: h-costume@indra.com cc: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: ebay gypsy costume? In-Reply-To: <37CDB1C4.2BF2@enteract.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: ches@io.com Well there are several on there so please list the one you saw, here are the ones I saw http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=wethree3 Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, lynnx wrote: > Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:07:48 -0700 > From: lynnx > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > To: h-costume-digest@indra.com > Subject: H-COST: ebay gypsy costume? > > > -Poster: lynnx > > AArrrrgghhh, don't keep me in suspense like this!! ;-) Can you find the > ebay pic and copy/past the url to it (whole thang) into a post? > > Thanks > Heather > (who might be able to help you out if I could see the one you're looking > at) > > > I found a BEAUTIFUL gypsy costume on eBay today... so > > now I must find the pattern for one... does anyone > > know where I could find a pattern for the really > > frouffy (is that a word?) gypsy dancer outfits? > > Please? > > > > Sarah > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 15:46:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06145 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:46:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07655; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:19:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21215 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:16:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx2.io.com (IDENT:root@mx2.io.com [199.170.88.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21163 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:16:53 -0600 (MDT) From: ches@io.com Received: from fnord.io.com (IDENT:ches@fnord.io.com [199.170.88.12]) by mx2.io.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA21167 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:16:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (ches@localhost) by fnord.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA26506 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:16:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: fnord.io.com: ches owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:16:50 -0500 (CDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing with buttons In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990901142611.009484e0@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: ches@io.com Well, my suggestion is to make loops on the cording if you have enough of it and just loop them on the buttons, kinda like lassos. You can tie loops or just loop and twist as you go. Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Doris J Nash wrote: > Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:46:41 -0500 > From: Doris J Nash > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: H-COST: Lacing with buttons > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 15:49:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06149 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:49:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15650; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:02:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04811 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:59:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04803 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:59:54 -0600 (MDT) From: DRGurley@aol.com Received: from DRGurley@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6OWKa01404 (4540) for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:58:36 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: ebay gypsy costume? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: DRGurley@aol.com > AArrrrgghhh, don't keep me in suspense like this!! ;-) Can you find the > ebay pic and copy/past the url to it (whole thang) into a post? Heather, I don't know if this is the one Sarah was looking at, but I found a neat outfit at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=156092882 I went to misc/clothing/women and searched on gypsy. There were 53 items listed. Is that the one, Sarah? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 16:31:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06176 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:31:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20934; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:44:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14437 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:41:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14421 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:41:35 -0600 (MDT) From: DzMzLzy@aol.com Received: from DzMzLzy@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6WSAa13743 (4258) for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:41:03 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing with buttons To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: DzMzLzy@aol.com I've done something that looks like lacing with buttons but isn't really. The trick is to put an O-ring or a d-ring on so that the button is holding the ring and then you lace through the ring. Ta-da! I did this on a dress I laced in front with some flat woven braid and it allowed me to keep the braid flat. Important! The ring has to be smaller than the button AND it's best if the rings are solid welded closed. If there is an opening in the ring the lacing will either get caught, or slip out. Really irritating. Liz Gerds _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 16:50:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06217 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:50:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23646; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:04:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18763 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:01:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18752 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:01:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from H59013.iastate.edu (costumes.center.iastate.edu [129.186.127.4]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA14383 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:01:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990901163854.0091a900@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> X-Sender: djnash@djnash.mail.iastate.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:01:12 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Doris J Nash Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing with buttons In-Reply-To: <37CD857E.3C820BB6@serv.net> References: <4.1.19990901142611.009484e0@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Doris J Nash At 12:58 PM 9/1/99 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > >> After getting the 2-dozen little buggers >> on last night, I discovered that the cording slips off the buttons rather >> easily. The buttons are 3/8" shank buttons in silver-toned metal. The >> buttons would pull over, and the cord slipped off. [snip] Or is there >> something else I can do to the buttons to make this more secure in closing? > >Well, in elizabethan period some men's doublets had lacing eyelets with buttons >sewn next to them. So there would be the look of lots of beautiful expensive >buttons but the doublet would be laced closed. You could add a row of eyelets >and lace in a similar fashion. I can't think of any way to make buttons work >except to use buttons that have no shank, flat, round, not-period buttons. But >you could use wood, metal, or bone buttons maybe at least they aren't plastic. >They would just have to be buttons that lie flat against the fabric and don't >wobble. Why did you opt for buttons and not lacing? > I've had the buttons for a long time, and this seemed a good way to use them. Also I read (Can't site the source offhand, sorry!) that buttons were occasioonally used in place of eyelets in that period. >Merouda >-- >Cynthia Long >Merouda the True of Bornover >Barony of Madrone >Kingdom of An Tir Thanks for the suggestion! Doris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 17:03:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06238 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:03:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25653; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21656 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:13:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21646 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:13:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id PAA05025; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37CDA58F.6CDDFFC2@serv.net> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:15:44 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing with buttons References: <4.1.19990901142611.009484e0@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> <4.1.19990901163854.0091a900@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > I've had the buttons for a long time, and this seemed a good way to use > them. Also I read (Can't site the source offhand, sorry!) that buttons > were occasioonally used in place of eyelets in that period. But doubtful on the Shinrone dress. But you've got lots of great ideas. Just remember that just because something is period in one place at one time doesn't make it period in another place even in the same time. I thought the idea about sewing little metal rings next to the buttons to be particularly inspired. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 17:16:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06260 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:16:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27332; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24327 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:26:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA24314 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:26:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990901222657.17040.rocketmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.250.3.247] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:26:57 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:26:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Toney Subject: Re: H-COST: ebay gypsy costume? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sarah Toney Here you go... it took some work to find 'cuz the auction is over, but I found it. ;-) I'm still drooling... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150803941 Sarah > AArrrrgghhh, don't keep me in suspense like this!! > ;-) Can you find the > ebay pic and copy/past the url to it (whole thang) > into a post? > > Thanks > Heather > (who might be able to help you out if I could see > the one you're looking > at) > > > I found a BEAUTIFUL gypsy costume on eBay today... > so > > now I must find the pattern for one... does anyone > > know where I could find a pattern for the really > > frouffy (is that a word?) gypsy dancer outfits? > > Please? > > > > Sarah > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 17:20:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06266 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:20:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27950; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:33:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25300 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:30:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA25292 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990901223049.25694.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.250.3.247] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:30:49 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:30:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Toney Subject: Re: H-COST: ebay gypsy costume? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sarah Toney Nope... but is is neat... I'm looking for a bit more flamboyant... something to rival my auburn flaming hair... ;-) Sarah http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=156092882 > > I went to misc/clothing/women and searched on gypsy. > There were 53 items > listed. > > Is that the one, Sarah? > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 18:09:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06306 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:09:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04265; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05706 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:20:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05695 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.140] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11MJLX-00073m-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:59:15 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:41:45 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: H-COST: NOW: Recycling clothing 'outgrown'/&c. WAS: EBay -- ATTN: Grania esp. In-Reply-To: <012701bef4b1$a1c6c660$cdadfea9@gunsafes> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 12:38 PM 9/1/99, "Michelle" wrote: >I have been thinking about this. People tend to make more costumes as their >shape or size changes. Which means, they end up with a box or closet full >of stuff they wont or can't use. Why don't more people swap? I think it >would be fun. I have given away a few of my things but, I would have rather >traded. (Not that I didn't enjoy helping the new-to-fair people...) I have >noticed that on both the SCA garb and H-Cost list, when someone mentions >having anything that doesn't fit them anymore, there seems to be at least 2 >people that ask about it. > However, there is that 'standards' problem. It seems to me that in this case--this might also be the answer to part of the FAQ for newcomers to the SCA, inc. "Where do I find clothes, if I can't sew and don't know anyone who will?" Gold Key has loaner garb and is at most Kingdom level events, and some Principality/Local events have their own Gold Keys, too. I highly recommend donating attire you've outgrown or just don't want anymore to them. It's a good cause and they always need the help! -- Gra/inne _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 18:11:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06312 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:11:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04738; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:25:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06055 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:21:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06044 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:21:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.140] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11MJLd-00073m-00; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:59:22 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:57:53 -0700 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: H-COST: Kilts, Regimental & Piercing... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" I wrote to a friend of mine, as I felt he could speak with some authority on the topics under discussion. Here is his response: >You may quote me, Carol. You may quote Aryeh J.S. Nusbacher, Senior Lecturer, >Royal Military Academy, Sandhurst, late 48th Highlanders of Canada, as saying >"there is not the merest scintilla of evidence to suggest that body piercing was >ever required or permitted as part of wearing kilts by any Highland, Lowland, >Scottish or Irish regiments of HM British or Commonwealth forces." > >Carol J. Bell Cannon [aka: Gra/inne ingen Domnaill Ilda/naig] wrote: > >> So--what is the military requirement about what one wears under the >> kilt--don't I recall you saying you were allowed some kind of underpinnings? > >You do not. By convention, male highlanders do not wear anything under their >kilts. > >I do know, however, know precisely when the practice of being naked under the >kilt began. It might have been during Queen Victoria's reign -- she ordered >military kilts to be made from a lighter-weight fabric because of discomfort to >the soldiers. I do know that the custom was in place as early as the First >World War. > >You may quote me on that as well. > >Best, > >Aryk > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 18:12:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06316 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:12:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04813; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:25:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06232 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:22:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06220 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:22:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.140] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11MJLb-00073m-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:59:20 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:50:30 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing with buttons In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 04:19 PM 9/1/99, Amanda wrote: I've heard of lacing through the shanks, after dropping them through the eyelets. I want to try this sometime when I have a lot of nice buttons. I would fear that the tension on the shanks would pull them apart and cause the buttons to be more easily lost. I would love to know what those who have tried that technique have found to be the case. -- Gra/inne _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 18:24:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06337 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:24:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08007; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:38:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08678 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:35:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08672 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:35:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id QAA08337; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37CDB8B8.8E97AC3C@serv.net> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:37:28 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing with buttons References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > I would fear that the tension on the shanks would pull them > apart and cause the buttons to be more easily lost. I would love to know > what those who have tried that technique have found to be the case. -- Front what I can tell, in England, from the 13th to the 18th centuries this was a common way of attaching buttons. Make little eyelets, stick the shanks through the eyelets, use a string to connect all the shanks, knot the string. Voila, removable buttons. This was a sensible practice in times when buttons were extremely expensive. And in times when royalty was using button with precious stones, a very parctical solution. Remember the diamond buttons in "Three Musketeers". Why keep buttons in a box? Because you only temporarily attached buttons to garments so that you could have diamond buttons on all your clothing but only one set of buttons. In the Thames digs, they found eyelet strips with absolutely *no* tension marks on them at all. They suspect this was because buttons were attached in this corded manner. Which tells me, that if this is so, then the buttons should be fine. If the buttons are having enough tension put on them to break them then the garment is *way* too tight and no matter how you attach them, they're going to bust. Or your buttons aren't sturdy enough to do their job. Any other ideas? Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 18:47:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06379 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:47:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11205; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:01:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12851 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:58:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12836 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:58:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p19.directcon.net [206.170.184.68]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA22744 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909012357.QAA22744@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing with buttons Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson Also I read (Can't site the source offhand, sorry!) that buttons >> were occasioonally used in place of eyelets in that period. > >But doubtful on the Shinrone dress. Why? The description of Irish women's dress by Luke Gernon in the 1620's says: . On the forepart of those bodyes they have a sett of broad silver buttons of goldsmiths worke sett round about. Margo Anderson "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 19:24:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06424 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:24:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14789; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:38:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18609 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:35:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18599 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:35:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lindo (p53.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.181]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19816 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909020035.UAA19816@mail1.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 20:35:17 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: H-COST: Saffron shirts In-Reply-To: <199908301318_MC2-82E8-3075@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kevin + Mara Riley At 01:17 PM 08/30/1999 -0400, you wrote: >As far as I have been able to asetain, saffron was not avaliable to the >majority of the saffron shirt wearers in the earlier period. However a >bright yellow can be achieved very easily with several plants, onion skins >particularly springs to mind. However this dosen';t answer the question of >why they were called saffron shirts as opposed to onion skin shirts or >whatever :), unless the describers were familiar with the more expensive >saffron as a dyestuff and described it such ? Like we say orange for a >colour & a fruit , what can first the colour or the fruit ? Anyone know ? > >Mel Mel, the dye used was weld. -- Mara ------------------------------------------- "I tried to contain myself... but I escaped." http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Textiles_Page.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 19:37:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06445 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:37:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15867; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:48:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20235 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:45:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20226 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:45:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-86-70.s70.tnt6.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.86.70]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA24260 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01eb01bef4dc$1d95eda0$4656accf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" References: Subject: Re: H-COST: Recycling clothing 'outgrown'/&c. Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:42:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" LOL, theatre shops and museums loan all the time. Theatre shops swap or loan with one another, and museums loan to other museums. Later... Penny ************************************ Deadline for entries to the Online Costume Ball is Sept. 21st. http://www.costumegallery.com/Costume_Ball/99/attend.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 1 20:30:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06621 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:30:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21926; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29046 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:40:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29036 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:40:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-86-70.s70.tnt6.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.86.70]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA23930 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <021801bef4e3$e12e1600$4656accf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Neat History Website Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:38:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Spy Letters of the American Revolution (website), http://www.si.umich.edu/spies/ Looks interesting!!! 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Penny ************************************ Deadline for entries to the Online Costume Ball is Sept. 21st. http://www.costumegallery.com/Costume_Ball/99/attend.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 01:21:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07032 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:21:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18705; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:35:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08991 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:32:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08984 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:32:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21086 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-58.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.58]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07213 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008301bef50d$c2db8960$8b73fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing with buttons Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:38:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" . I thought the idea about >sewing little metal rings next to the buttons to be particularly inspired. > >Cynthia I, also, thought that idea was cool. Another idea, along the same line with the rings: If you have eyelets, you can use shank buttons. Put a jump/split (like key rings but small, I can't remember their proper name) through the shank after inserting the shank in the eyelet. This puts the ring on the inside of the garment and the button flat on the outside. You can then, lace through the rings. (This is a way to cover those dumb, unperiod grommets too) Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 01:36:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07041 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:36:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19234; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:50:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10279 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:48:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10273 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:47:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25064 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-58.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.58]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13944 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008c01bef50f$e9624a40$8b73fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: EBay Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:53:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" --> >Michelle~ > >Are you suggesting a costume swap via list? How do you propose to do so? I >think it's a *fantastic* idea if it can be accomplished. Not only do I change >sizes, my children are growing. What do I do with outgrown costumes that are >not worth the effort of altering them? I have all of the dresses my daughter has worn to faire since her birth. She is now eight. I just keep them... I have also changed sizes. I didn't mean 'exactly' via list. I would have to think about that. It would seem that pictures, descriptions and sizes/measurements, would have to be posted somewhere. Hmm...maybe a swaping website? I will work on this idea and see what I can come up with. I figured when I made the comment to the list that something like that would have to be more localized. Now, I am thinking it might be possible. Got any suggestions? > >>However, there is that 'standards' problem. What I meant by this, is... people couldn't be extremely picky. For something like this to work there would have to be some flexibility in costuming standards. No matter how bad something is, someone spent time and effort to do it. That should be respected. Trades should be of equal value and quality, periodness included. >I truly did not mean my comment to be offensive. >DaniG What comment? There was absolutely nothing directed at you or any one else on the list. I hope I clarified my thought better now. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 01:56:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07054 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:56:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20119; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:10:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12363 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:07:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12358 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:07:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29418 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-58.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.58]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA21939 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000a01bef512$a5c01d00$8b73fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: NOW: Recycling clothing 'outgrown'/&c. WAS: EBay -- ATTN: Grania esp. Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:13:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" Carol, Most of the garb I make is for everyone else. I end up doing it for nothing. Once, I charged my nephews girlfriend $20 for each piece (she got an overdress, underskirt and chemise=$60. I was so thrilled, I bought myself one of those mini sergers with the money). If someone comes to me and needs help, I usually do it for them. Consequently, I never seem to get around to making anything for myself. I am under the impression that most of us do things like this. This is why swapping sounded nice. I wasn't aware of the Gold Key. Where is it? I am in CAID (Fresno). Can you email me privately with more info on who directs this aspect? Michelle > >-Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" > It seems to me that in this case--this might also be >the answer to part of the FAQ for newcomers to the SCA, inc. "Where do I >find clothes, if I can't sew and don't know anyone who will?" Gold Key >has loaner garb and is at most Kingdom level events, and some >Principality/Local events have their own Gold Keys, too. I highly >recommend donating attire you've outgrown or just don't want anymore to >them. It's a good cause and they always need the help! -- Gra/inne > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 06:24:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03767 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:24:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA00923; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 05:37:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23893 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 05:34:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.26]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23887 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 05:34:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sharp-9070- - 208.253.11.48 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 04:34:08 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Got beets, now what? Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:48:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bef538$5a6e3be0$300bfdd0@sharp-9070-> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <013201bef4b3$d565e260$cdadfea9@gunsafes> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" You can cut them like potatoes and printing with them. Cut in half, and the carve a shape out of the flat part. Makes lovely designs on white tissue paper to use for gift wrap. Did it myself once, and I was quite pleased with the results. They create their own ink. Hope H. Dunlap > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Michelle > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 3:55 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: Got beets, now what? > > > > -Poster: "Michelle" > > I think warming with vinegar in your beet-water mixture > should set the color > well enough. Every year, when I decorate Easter eggs, I use > onion skins. > This is how I do it: Simmer skins in water (enough to cover) > until skins > are transparant, take out skins. Put new skins in, again simmer until > transparant. Doing it in stages allows for a darker dye > (smaller amount of > water, otherwise you dilute the color). Add one quarter to > one half a cup of > vinegar to the pot. You can simmer the eggs with the color > or cook them > and let them sit in the cool water. (You can put a leaf, > flower, papercut > against the shell and wrap it tightly with a piece of nylon > stocking to hold > it in position. This makes a pretty decoration. Just make > sure the plant > pieces are edible. Don't poison yourself.) > I took a class on cooking for children. During the class we had a > special unit on Easter egg dying naturally. You can color > them with carots, > beets, etc. too. There were a list of veggies and these were on it. No > matter which veggie you used, it pretty much works the same way as I > described above. If it colors eggs, why wouldn't it work for > your fabric? > > > > > >-Poster: Karalee Larsen Pugmire > > > >A friend has had an over abundance of beets grow in her > garden this year > >and she has a question. She's heard that beets were used for > dying. If that > >is true, where would we look for information on mordants, > and all the other > >stuff needed to dye and fix a peice of cloth? > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ _____ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 06:24:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03771 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:24:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA00984; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 05:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23942 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 05:35:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com [207.46.181.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23937 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 05:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sharp-9070- - 208.253.11.48 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 04:34:43 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Lacing with buttons Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:41:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bef538$7756bf20$300bfdd0@sharp-9070-> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37CDA58F.6CDDFFC2@serv.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" There is a tradition in Ireland of using jeweled clasps to hold the front of a dress closed. In the 18th century, you can ID an Irish woman compared to an English woman by this. It was an old, old custom at the time. How did the claps fasten? I don't know, but am eager to find out. There are so many in portraits, that there must be some in Irish museums. Sets of them were rather Renaissance in appearance in the 18th Century, and commonly passed down from relative to relative, surviving generations. Mairead Dunleavy reports lots of self-fabric covered buttons on wool garments in Irish history, and decoratively used where buttons are not needed, like fron wrist to shoulder on the back of a man's coat sleeve, etc. I can't remember what she says about the Shinrone gown on this point, and the book went back to ILL long time ago. I wouldn't rule out buttons on the Shinrone dress, myself. Hope H. Dunlap > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Merouda the True of Bornover > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 6:16 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing with buttons > > > > -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > > > I've had the buttons for a long time, and this > seemed a good way to use > > them. Also I read (Can't site the source offhand, sorry!) > that buttons > > were occasioonally used in place of eyelets in that period. > > But doubtful on the Shinrone dress. But you've got lots of > great ideas. Just > remember that just because something is period in one place > at one time doesn't > make it period in another place even in the same time. I > thought the idea about > sewing little metal rings next to the buttons to be > particularly inspired. > > Cynthia > -- > Cynthia Long > Merouda the True of Bornover > Barony of Madrone > Kingdom of An Tir > > > ____________________________________________________________ _____ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 06:24:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03775 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:24:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA00931; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 05:38:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23932 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 05:35:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com [207.46.181.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23925 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 05:35:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sharp-9070- - 208.253.11.48 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 04:34:37 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Lacing with buttons Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:32:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bef538$738ac300$300bfdd0@sharp-9070-> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990901142611.009484e0@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" In Janet Arnold's *Patterns of Fashion 3,* dealing 1550-1660, there's a discussion of lacing and buttons. The lacings never go around the button, but through eyelets in the fabric or itty bitty rings sewn on to the garment. The buttons are sewn on in a decorative fashion only, typically next to each ring, for a very tight spacing, but not always. I don't have the book at home, but I think this is the general gist of it. Hope H. Dunlap > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Doris J Nash > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 3:47 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: H-COST: Lacing with buttons > > > > -Poster: Doris J Nash > > Hello List! > > I hope someone has a solution to a problem I'm having. I'm making a > version of the Shinrone Gown to wear this weekend and I'm > using buttons to > lace up the front of the bodice. After getting the 2-dozen > little buggers > on last night, I discovered that the cording slips off the > buttons rather > easily. The buttons are 3/8" shank buttons in silver-toned > metal. The > buttons would pull over, and the cord slipped off. I then > tried to "crimp" > the shanks, squeezing gently with pliers. That helped a bit, > but I was > hoping someone on the list could give me a tip or 3 on the > subject. Would > one type or size of cording work better than another? Or is there > something else I can do to the buttons to make this more > secure in closing? > > Thanks for any suggestions! > Doris > > > ____________________________________________________________ _____ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 08:53:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03922 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:53:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12822; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:06:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11350 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:03:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from spdmgaae.compuserve.com (ds-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.206.138]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11343 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:03:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.3) id KAA06794 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:02:35 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Saffron Shirts To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199909021002_MC2-8350-BFEC@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id IAA11344 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Melanie Wilson >Mel, the dye used was weld. Mara, weld is rare in Scotland ,esp the highlands. I canna speak for Eire. Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 08:59:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03934 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:59:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13476; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12410 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:09:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12396 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:09:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from H59013.iastate.edu (costumes.center.iastate.edu [129.186.127.4]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09654 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:09:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990902090827.00947b30@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> X-Sender: djnash@djnash.mail.iastate.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:09:48 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Doris J Nash Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing with buttons In-Reply-To: <199909012357.QAA22744@zeus.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Doris J Nash At 04:57 PM 9/1/99 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: Margo Anderson > > Also I read (Can't site the source offhand, sorry!) that buttons >>> were occasioonally used in place of eyelets in that period. >> >>But doubtful on the Shinrone dress. > >Why? > >The description of Irish women's dress by Luke Gernon in the 1620's says: > >. On the forepart of those bodyes they have a sett of broad silver buttons >of goldsmiths worke sett round about. > >Margo Anderson >"One Tough Costumer" >http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm > Yes! Thank you, Margo! That was the quotation I read, just couldn't remember where, only that it was in relation to the Shinrone Gown. Thanks again! Doris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 10:11:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04072 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:11:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23493; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:24:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28462 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:21:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28450 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:21:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA11852.; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:26:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:20:32 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:20:04 +0100 From: "KATE M BUNTING" To: Subject: H-COST: Diamonds in "Three Musketeers" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id JAA28455 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" Cynthia mentioned diamond buttons in "The Three Musketeers". I happened to re-read it in French recently and the term Dumas actually used is 'des ferrets en diamants'. According to my dictionary 'ferrets' are tags for putting on the ends of ribbons or laces. Presumably Buckingham was wearing a knot of ribbons stitched to his doublet with the diamonds on the ends when one was stolen. In English versions the jewels are usually described as buttons or a necklace, to get round the difficulty of literal translation. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 10:17:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04079 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:17:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24571; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:31:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00500 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:28:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00488 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:28:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id IAA13618; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37CE9814.B09A5FA1@serv.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 08:30:29 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing with buttons References: <4.1.19990902090827.00947b30@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > > Also I read (Can't site the source offhand, sorry!) that buttons > >>> were occasioonally used in place of eyelets in that period. > >>But doubtful on the Shinrone dress. > >Why? > >The description of Irish women's dress by Luke Gernon in the 1620's says: > > Yes! Thank you, Margo! That was the quotation I read, just couldn't > remember where, only that it was in relation to the Shinrone Gown. Really? Buttons on the Shinrone Gown? I didn't say buttons weren't on Irish gowns, just not that I heard on the Shinrone gown. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 11:13:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04132 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:13:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03068; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:26:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14345 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:24:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14338 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:24:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p19.directcon.net [206.170.184.68]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18720 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909021623.JAA18720@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing with buttons Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson >Yes! Thank you, Margo! That was the quotation I read, just couldn't >remember where, only that it was in relation to the Shinrone Gown. You can find the rest of the quote at: http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/fenians/Shinrone/Shinrone.htm The description matches the Shinrone gown quite closely, except that the Shinrone gown lacks any kind of closure or any sign that buttons, lacing eyes, etc, were ever attached. Why is a mystery..although I like Maggirose's theory that the maker got so sick and frustrated with the darn thing that she wadded it up and threw it in the bog! Margo Anderson "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 11:15:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04136 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:15:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03381; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14685 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:25:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14663 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:25:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from H59013.iastate.edu (costumes.center.iastate.edu [129.186.127.4]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA08870 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:25:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990902111233.0092cbe0@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> X-Sender: djnash@djnash.mail.iastate.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:25:21 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Doris J Nash Subject: H-COST: Button lacing/Shinrone Gown/etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Doris J Nash Hello again! First, I want to thank everyone for your input on my problem. I started thinking, "Where would be the best place to look for little rings--hardware or craft dept.? Or, how about hooks? I could sew them to the underside of the CF edge and... or how about EYES!" So that's what I did, I used #6 black eyes, which are roughly triangular with the loops for sewing on, and placed one under each button, so now the buttons are purely decorative. As for the Shinrone Gown, no, they didn't use buttons, because there was no pulling or fabric displacement at the edge. Actually, I'm not sure they know how the Shinrone Gown was closed/fastened, but I was using the DeHeere source as a way to place the buttons in that time and place, as a possibility for a closure. I was chuckling to myself last night, as I was sewing the eyes on, "And I didn't think I had time to do worked eyelets! Just goes to show you!" I'm a theatre costumer myself, so my aesthetics are less strict with regard to authenticity than others'. I've used grommets before, but wanted something different on this dress. (But I am machine-stitching the hem--sorry!) :-) Again, thanks everyone! Doris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 11:42:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04176 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:42:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08088; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21210 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:53:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21196 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p19.directcon.net [206.170.184.68]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22102 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909021652.JAA22102@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Button lacing/Shinrone Gown/etc. Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson At 11:25 AM 09/02/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >-Poster: Doris J Nash > >Hello again! > >First, I want to thank everyone for your input on my problem. I started >thinking, "Where would be the best place to look for little rings--hardware >or craft dept.? I just made the bodice to my Flemish gown using Roman shade drapery rings. I got them at JoAnes's, where they were hidden in the drapery hardware department. they're made of brass, about 1/2" in diameter, $2.50 for 40. I doubled them, sewing two on as one, for extra strength, although that may not be neccesary. They look great! Margo Anderson "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 13:17:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04348 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:17:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23070; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:31:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14630 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:28:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f38.hotmail.com [207.82.250.49]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA14487 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:27:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13166 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 1999 18:27:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19990902182715.13165.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 12.21.110.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:27:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [12.21.110.240] From: "Karie Mitchell" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing with buttons Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:27:06 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Karie Mitchell" >Another idea, along the same line with the rings: If you have >eyelets, >you can use shank buttons. Put a jump/split (like key >rings but small, I >can't remember their proper name) through the >shank after inserting the >shank in the eyelet. This puts the ring on >the inside of the garment and >the button flat on the outside. You >can then, lace through the rings. >(This is a way to cover those >dumb, unperiod grommets too) OK. I've been watching this thread really closely, but I still don't understand. Are we talking about making a front closure to a bodice? If so, what method are we using, laces or buttons or both? Exactly how are the buttons supposed to be fastened? Currently what I see is a bodice that has holes or rings on the front edge which are laced with a ribbon. _Somehow_ the buttons are also attached and possibly cover the holes the lace goes through. Please let me know if I got the clue bus and if not how to get on. Also, pictures are worth... well you know. I appreciate any clarification on this interesting topic. Allessandre "Those who give up a little liberty for safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Ben Franklin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 13:40:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04397 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:40:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26276; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:53:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20168 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:50:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20162 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:50:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id LAA21670; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37CEC77D.F1F8842F@serv.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:52:46 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing with buttons References: <19990902182715.13165.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > OK. I've been watching this thread really closely, but I still don't > understand. Are we talking about making a front closure to a bodice? If > so, what method are we using, laces or buttons or both? Exactly how are the > buttons supposed to be fastened? You must have missed the first post. The poster sewed shank buttons to the front of a bodice in order to lace around the button shank. It was not successful. The rest of the posts have been attempts to find solutions to the problem. > Currently what I see is a bodice that has holes or rings on the front edge > which are laced with a ribbon. _Somehow_ the buttons are also attached and > possibly cover the holes the lace goes through. Sounds like you've got it. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 16:52:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04667 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:52:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25696; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:05:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07153 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:02:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (relay20.smtp.psi.net [38.8.20.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07131 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:02:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.119.75.41] (helo=kdp.tiac.net) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for h-costume@indra.com id 11Mevn-0006fH-00; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:02:07 -0400 From: "John Page" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: NOW: Recycling clothing 'outgrown'/&c. WAS: EBay -- ATTN: Grania esp. Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:47:19 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "John Page" In the Barony (Carolingia) where I live we also have semi-regular meetings where people will teach everything one needs to know about making garb, including how to use a sewing machine and look for fabric. Helping out, even just attending has taught me a lot. Kristin Page > Gold Key. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 19:59:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04913 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:59:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16324; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:12:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13386 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:08:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f174.hotmail.com [207.82.251.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA13371 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:08:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 82607 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 1999 01:07:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19990903010755.82606.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.156.3.51 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:07:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.156.3.51] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: I'm b-a-a-a-ck! Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:07:54 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Flame shields up! No, seriously, guys, I have been away from a computer for almost five months now. Missed you all. Jason & I are busily working on wonderful fall clothes and settling down to domestic life. The kids are wonderful...Hope you all haven't quit talking about corsets... ;-D Love, Susannah Susannah Eanes, Mantua Maker "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 20:09:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04927 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:09:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17424; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14926 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:19:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14917 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:19:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jkidder-home ([63.21.224.249]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990903011834.VWK21390@jkidder-home> for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:18:34 +0000 From: "Sharon Kidder" To: Subject: H-COST: Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:11:40 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990903011834.VWK21390@jkidder-home> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Sharon Kidder" Has anybody else noticed that Amazon UK is accepting orders for "Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince" by Stella Mary Newton? The price is 15.99 pounds. Are they really going to republish it? Anybody know anything further? Thanks, Oriana of Myrtlewood (who normally just lurks) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 20:34:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04964 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:34:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20213; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:48:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18625 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:45:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.31]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18610 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:45:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sharp-9070- - 208.253.11.8 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:44:19 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Button lacing/Shinrone Gown/etc. Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:52:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bef5af$2ab8f940$080bfdd0@sharp-9070-> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990902111233.0092cbe0@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion 3 shows tiny rings, say 1/4 inch or less. They are a jewelry item in craft stores, less than a dollar for scads, but test strength before purchasing so they don't deform from the lacings. They also have to be continuous circles, not with a gap, which will only open further when stressed. I'm quite sure they were treated with something to get black and white. The desired look was that they not show. Hope H. Dunlap > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Doris J Nash > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 12:25 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: H-COST: Button lacing/Shinrone Gown/etc. > > > > -Poster: Doris J Nash > > Hello again! > > First, I want to thank everyone for your input on my problem. > I started > thinking, "Where would be the best place to look for little > rings--hardware > or craft dept.? Or, how about hooks? I could sew them to > the underside of > the CF edge and... or how about > EYES!" So > that's what I did, I used #6 black eyes, which are roughly > triangular with > the loops for sewing on, and placed one under each button, so now the > buttons are purely decorative. > > As for the Shinrone Gown, no, they didn't use buttons, > because there was no > pulling or fabric displacement at the edge. Actually, I'm > not sure they > know how the Shinrone Gown was closed/fastened, but I was > using the DeHeere > source as a way to place the buttons in that time and place, as a > possibility for a closure. I was chuckling to myself last > night, as I was > sewing the eyes on, "And I didn't think I had time to do > worked eyelets! > Just goes to show you!" I'm a theatre costumer myself, so my > aesthetics > are less strict with regard to authenticity than others'. I've used > grommets before, but wanted something different on this > dress. (But I am > machine-stitching the hem--sorry!) :-) > > Again, thanks everyone! > Doris > > > ____________________________________________________________ _____ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 20:39:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04985 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:39:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20755; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:53:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19452 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:50:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from komarr.local.thibault.org (adsl-151-197-16-76.bellatlantic.net [151.197.16.76]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19443 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thibault.org (weatherwax.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.16]) by komarr.local.thibault.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15024 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:49:55 -0400 Message-ID: <37CF2946.2C735411@thibault.org> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:51:25 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue Organization: Virtue Ventures http://www.virtue.to X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince References: <19990903011834.VWK21390@jkidder-home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Cynthia Virtue Yes, it's true. Green Duck Designs also says it will be out this month. > Has anybody else noticed that Amazon UK is accepting orders for "Fashion in > the Age of the Black Prince" by Stella Mary Newton? The price is 15.99 > pounds. Are they really going to republish it? Anybody know anything > further? -- You need height to prove that you have Leadership; you need money to communicate your views to the voters by means of TV commercials that have the subtlety of a Teletubbies episode, but less intellectual content. -- Dave Barry _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 21:03:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05056 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:03:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23430; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:17:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22931 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:14:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.26]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22922 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:14:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sharp-9070- - 208.253.11.200 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:13:28 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Saffron Shirts Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:21:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bef5b3$3ca5c300$080bfdd0@sharp-9070-> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199909021002_MC2-8350-BFEC@compuserve.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" I've read that the saffron color could have been obtained from lichens and other plants in Ireland and Scotland. Can't be specific on a source book, however, or more specific about the actual variety of plant. Do yellow lichens produce yellow leines? Hope H. Dunlap > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Melanie Wilson > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:03 AM > To: INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com > Subject: H-COST: Saffron Shirts > > > > -Poster: Melanie Wilson > > >Mel, the dye used was weld. > > Mara, weld is rare in Scotland ,esp the highlands. I canna > speak for Eire. > > Mel > ____________________________________________________________ _____ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 21:18:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05089 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:18:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24800; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:31:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25125 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:29:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from eclipse.pacifier.com (eclipse.pacifier.com [199.2.117.78]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25115 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:29:01 -0600 (MDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: from grendal2 (ip225.van23.pacifier.com [216.65.138.225]) by eclipse.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.3pop) with SMTP id TAA16105 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909030228.TAA16105@eclipse.pacifier.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:32:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: H-COST: Saffron Shirts Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000401bef5b3$3ca5c300$080bfdd0@sharp-9070-> References: <199909021002_MC2-8350-BFEC@compuserve.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > I've read that the saffron color could have been obtained > from lichens and other plants in Ireland and Scotland. > Can't be specific on a source book, however, or more > specific about the actual variety of plant. Do yellow > lichens produce yellow leines? While weld was not grown in Scotland, it was available as a commercial dyestuff, as was indigo (which some people thought was a mineral because it came in lump form. It's a semitropical plant so there's no way it would have grown in Scotland.) There are a number of dyestuffs available in Scotland for dyeing. Alder, ash, bearberry, birch, bog myrtle, broom, corn marigold, cow parsley, crab apple, Crottle Evernia Prunastri (a lichen), dock, elder, heather, knapweed, marsh marigold, marsh woundwort, meadow sweet, nettles, Polyganum hydropiper, Polyganum persicaria, poplar, ragwort, whin, weld and yarrow are all listed as Scottish traditional dyes for yellow according to _Traditional Scottish Dyes_ by Jean Fraser (ISBN 0 86241 108 4). Frankly, I suspect that Broom is the dyestuff used for the "saffron shirts." I've used it to make a fast, vibrant yellow (just not quite as mellow as the more expensive saffron.) It's relatively common in the British Isles (and is quite a weed if you aren't careful!) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 21:33:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05123 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:33:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26301; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:47:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27363 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:44:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27357 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:44:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-79-59.s59.tnt5.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.79.59]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA27866 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d301bef5b5$f1f985a0$3b4faccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <19990903011834.VWK21390@jkidder-home> Subject: Re: H-COST: Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:42:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Yes, it is true. One of their reprep contacted me yesterday. It will be available in the States late September for $35.00. I think it is being republished in the UK. Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com > Has anybody else noticed that Amazon UK is accepting orders for "Fashion in > the Age of the Black Prince" by Stella Mary Newton? The price is 15.99 > pounds. Are they really going to republish it? Anybody know anything > further? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 22:30:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05218 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:30:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03588; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:44:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05499 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:40:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05489 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:40:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-79-59.s59.tnt5.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.79.59]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA17780; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00f501bef5bd$d0597420$3b4faccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Cc: "Kelly Rinne" , "Kaye Boyer" Subject: H-COST: Empires of Industry: Textiles: Birth of an American Industry. Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:38:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Earlier today the History Channel had the following program on: Empires of Industry: Textiles: Birth of an American Industry. Cloth-making, America's first developed industry, helped weave freedom from England; now, it's on the economic endangered list with threats from international competition. Chronicled: U.S. textiles' birth; creation of Lowell, Massachusetts, our first industrial city; labor unrest; and possible future. I watched the show. It was really good history of the textile industry in the U.S. It started out with the first successful textile mill owned by Samuel Slater. The museum of the mill located in Rhode Island looked very impressive. Then they discussed the Boston Associates who backed the Lowell Mills. They discussed and showed models of how the factories were laid out. Labor issues were discussed including use of children, young women, and immigrants as workers. Each job, such as spinners and weavers, were described and footage was shown. The development and impact of rayon were detailed. Then they discussed the impact of the Burlington Mills in North and South Carolina on the 20th Century. My grandmother moved into the city to become a spinner during 1900 in one of these mills. I often wondered about the conditions under which she worked. I have a written family history letter from her sister-in-law, who also worked at the same mill, describing the long hours. This is part of their "History in the Classroom" series. Online they have an overview of the program, with vocabulary words and discussion questions for the educators to use. I did see at the end of the show that a video of the show is available for sale via the History Channel. So if you are interested in purchasing it, go to the History Channel's website, http://www.historychannel.com, go to their store, and type in the keyword "textile". The cost is $19.95. Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 22:40:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05227 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:40:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05092; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:54:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07011 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:51:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07001 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:51:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990903035115.NIEO1639.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:51:15 -0700 Message-ID: <37CF45C1.AAD3E1D4@home.com> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:51:29 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Button lacing/Shinrone Gown/etc. References: <000101bef5af$2ab8f940$080bfdd0@sharp-9070-> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kat & Kent Try using a split ring rather than a jump ring...less likely to lose lacing that way. Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 2 23:26:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05269 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:26:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09223; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:40:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14026 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:37:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bigred.unl.edu (00217146@bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14017 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:37:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA20887 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:41:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:41:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: costuming giggles Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> Just got back from the movie "The 13th Warrior," based on the book "Eaters of the Dead," a re-telling (with many liberties) of Beowolf. The armor was particularly amusing in it's inappropriateness. Emma _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 3 02:17:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16756 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 02:17:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18482; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:24:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01417 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:21:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from spdmgaae.compuserve.com (ds-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.206.138]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01404 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:21:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.3) id DAA11643 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 03:20:15 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Saffron To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199909030320_MC2-8379-B4AA@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id BAA01405 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Melanie Wilson >I've read that the saffron color could have been obtained from lichens and other plants in Ireland and Scotland. Can't be specific on a source book, however, or more specific about the actual variety of plant. Do yellow lichens produce yellow leines? Lichens are not my area as they are endangered, but I know opf a few coomon scottish plants producing yellows, which are used & can be documented for use, unfortunatly much of the dye lore is by word of mouth so how far back it goes it debatable, however we do know what grew to a certain extent in a certain area, from pollen analysis etc Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 3 07:11:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02220 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:11:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02108; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 06:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17702 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 06:23:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA17692 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 06:23:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990903122310.19069.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.247.217.34] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 03 Sep 1999 05:23:10 PDT Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 05:23:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Toney Subject: Re: H-COST: Empires of Industry: Textiles: Birth of an American Industry. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sarah Toney > international competition. Chronicled: U.S. > textiles' birth; creation of > Lowell, Massachusetts, our first industrial city; > labor unrest; and possible Woo-hoo! I love it when they talk about my city! ;-) Lowell has some facinating history and loves to share it... if any of you are ever in the area, the textile mill is well worth the trip... Sarah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 3 08:11:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02288 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:11:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05848; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:25:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24845 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:22:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from exchange.aiken.sc.edu (aiken.sc.edu [129.252.188.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24834 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:22:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.252.178.234] (129.252.178.234 [129.252.178.234]) by exchange.aiken.sc.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id SBYJWM72; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:12:55 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990903122310.19069.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:18:05 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Josh Webb Subject: Re: H-COST: Empires of Industry: Textiles: Birth of an American Industry. Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Josh Webb I've been to the textile museum in Lowell, and you're right it is fantastic. I'm currently living in South Carolina in an old textile town (Formerly home of the Graniteville Company now Avondale). In fact the home I purchased a couple of years ago is an old company house from the 20's. My neighbor worked for the company from before WWII until the early 90's and he bought his home from them for about $2900. Not bad, everything I hear from him is that it was a pretty good place to work, but the south has such a history of poverty that I get the impression that he was just thankful to have a job. J. Webb _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 3 09:26:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02496 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:26:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12656; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:39:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08208 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:36:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08197; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:36:53 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:36:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909031436.IAA08197@net.indra.com> From: "Wilson, Brad" To: "'H-COST'" Subject: H-COST: Venetians/Trunkhose Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Wilson, Brad" Does anyone know of something online or have any suggestions on how to make a set of venetians or trunkhose ? I need to make a set for an event next weekend and would like any help/suggestions that you have. I am approximatley 5'11" and 200 lbs. Thanks, Brad Wilson Carrollton, GA _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 3 09:43:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02558 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:43:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14951; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:57:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12659 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:55:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from Mackie.com (mackie1.mackie.com [209.168.18.190]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA12649 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:55:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Mackie-Message_Server by Mackie.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 03 Sep 1999 07:59:17 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 07:58:57 -0700 From: "Colleen McDonald Hinrichs" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id IAA12651 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Colleen McDonald Hinrichs" Boydell and Brewer is re-releasing this title and it can be ordered directly from them - $35 US plus postage. I just found out yesterday that it will probably be October or November before it is released. The original publication date was supposed to be September. Normally, Amazon's books are discounted from the publisher's price, but this time - no discount. Colleen McDonald Hinrichs aka Cainder nic Sheanlaoich _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 3 09:53:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02605 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:53:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16225; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:06:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14931 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:05:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14918 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:05:43 -0600 (MDT) From: SAQUEEN@aol.com Received: from SAQUEEN@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6IUAu.BSb_ (3960) for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <715dab2f.25013da5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:05:09 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Empires of Industry: Textiles: Birth of an AmericanIndustry. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com Hi, All, The American History Textile Museum moved its fabulous textile collection -- both finished goods and equipment to an old mill in Lowell, Massachusetts. They began adding costumes to show the complete cycle of cloth. Their second floor includes a wonderful exhibit of historic fashions and a loom room with the 19th century looms still producing fabric that they sell in their museum shop. Worth a trip if you are on the East Coast. Check February 1999 in Historic Fashions of Women & Children calendar for pictures and more information. Sally Costume Calendar Series http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 3 10:58:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02788 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:58:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24192; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:10:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01693 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:07:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01683 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:07:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.167.66.181] (sdts11-181.znet.net [207.167.66.181]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id JAA03317 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909031436.IAA08197@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:44:54 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: H-COST: Venetians/Trunkhose Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Julie Adams >-Poster: "Wilson, Brad" > > > >Does anyone know of something online or have any suggestions on how to make >a set of venetians or trunkhose ? I need to make a set for an event next >weekend and would like any help/suggestions that you have. I am >approximatley 5'11" and 200 lbs. > >Thanks, > >Brad Wilson >Carrollton, GA Expand the trunkhose and venetian patterns up for your size in Patterns of Fashion, 1550-1650 by Janet Arnold. The venetians are not too complex. If you don't have it, ask around, most 16th c re-enactors or costumers have it... I find they come out really nice pinked in those nice X patterns all over if done on a light felted wool flannel worn over a light denim weight lining. Good Luck, Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 3 11:33:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02825 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:33:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29292; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:47:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10904 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:44:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10888 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:44:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p9.directcon.net [206.170.184.58]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01016 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909031642.JAA01016@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: Michelle & Elizabethan corsets Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson Sorry for the waste of bandwidth, folks, but this lady is on a heavy deadline ands sounds desperate. 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Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 3 14:45:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03099 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:45:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01915; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:58:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13086 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:55:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13067 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA20091 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA20206 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:55:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Simplicity Pattern Sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: aleed Just thought I'd let y'all know...I went to Jo-Ann's today, and they're having a sale on all of their simplicity patterns. Including the "Shakespeare in Love" one. I got two at $1.99 each! Drea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 3 16:19:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03259 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:19:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13439; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03276 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:28:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03251 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:28:09 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6FIOa01400 (4446) for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45a6f21c.2501973f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:27:27 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Empires of Industry: Textiles: Birth of anAmericanIndustry. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com I visited the new home of the American Textile History Museum. Interestingly, the building was not a textile mill but rather, I think, one that made machinery. They have a huge amount of stuff that isn't on display. I was very lucky the day I went to encounter a volunteer who took me behind the scenes and showed me some of it. I concur that it is worth a visit. Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 3 17:10:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03306 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:10:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20627; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:24:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13943 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:21:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13926 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:21:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990903222121.LYTP22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:21:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 15:24:40 -0700 Subject: H-COST: new email address From: "R.L. Shep" To: "h-costume" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990903222121.LYTP22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "R.L. Shep" For those of you who email me off the list I have a new email address effective immediately. rlshep@home.com This is a *cable ready* system and is instaneous. My old server was always kicking me off line when I was in the middle of doing research. This will not be a problem now. BUT it was absolute hell getting it set up. And I mean many days of hell and it not working. Looking back on it I wonder that I ever managed to go ahead with it. But here I am. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 3 18:19:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com ([204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03416 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:19:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27917; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:32:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26057 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:29:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26039 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from slave (BayArea56k424.NetWiz.Net [208.164.208.24]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.9.2/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA17742 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D0590D.787D@netwiz.net> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 16:26:05 -0700 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Eurocentric complaint References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Susan Fatemi Emma Elizabeth Lehman wrote: > > -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> > > Just got back from the movie "The 13th Warrior," based on the book "Eaters > of the Dead," a re-telling (with many liberties) of Beowolf. The armor > was particularly amusing in it's inappropriateness. > > Emma > Excuuuuse meeee :-) While it may have *bits* of Beowolf (pun intended) it is based on a *true* story. This came up on the very serious, academic Medieval middle east list. In the 10th century, the Caliph at Baghdad sent Ibn Fadlan as an envoy to the Bulgars. In the tradition of many other Islamic travellers, he wrote it all down. Unfortunately, it has been translated into every language except English. Somehow Crichton got ahold of the basic story and embellished it (extensively) But he did such a good job, that at least one scholar thought he had somehow found the missing part of Ibn Fadlan's MS!! I read Eaters of the Dead years ago and had forgotten it was a Crichton story. So I'm looking forward to seeing the movie this weekend. Is it any good at all?? Susan Fatemi -- susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 3 21:01:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03579 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:00:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12871; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:14:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16850 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:11:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16828 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:11:22 -0600 (MDT) From: trekona@erols.com Received: from erols.com (207-172-135-98.s257.tnt4.col.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.135.98]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id WAA13023 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:11:16 -0400 (EDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Eurocentric complaint Date: Sat, 04 Sep 99 02:11:20 GMT Message-ID: References: <37D0590D.787D@netwiz.net> X-Mailer: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: trekona@erols.com > -Poster: Susan Fatemi > Excuuuuse meeee :-) While it may have *bits* of Beowolf (pun intended) > it is based on a *true* story. uh, actually it's not based on a *true* story, it's based on a true *story*, if you see the difference. Chrichton's _Eater's of the Dead_ is indeed a story (that part is true), but from what I've heard, the movie is only "based" on it and doesn't follow it very well. However, it's not exactly a *true* story. The book was written very well in its attempt to combine just enough bits of the *true* Ibn Fadlan account of the Rus with the story of Beowulf to make it seem authentic. Yes, it is supposed to be Beowulf - Crichton had made a bet whether anyone could write a book based on Beowulf and get it on the best sellers list, so he did. The current movie version, "13th Warrior" has undergone many test showings and many re-writes, and a few different names (like "The Last Viking"). > This came up on the very serious, academic Medieval middle east list. In the > 10th century, the Caliph at Baghdad sent Ibn Fadlan as an envoy to the > Bulgars. The Rus, they were Swedish. Now he may also have gone to the Bulgars, I don't know all his travels, but in this case he is known for his write-up on the Rus. > In the tradition of many other Islamic travellers, he wrote it all down. > Unfortunately, it has been translated into every language except English. unfortunately true. > Somehow Crichton got ahold of the basic story and embellished > it (extensively) But he did such a good job, that at least one > scholar thought he had somehow found the missing part of Ibn Fadlan's > MS!! well, that's in part because Crichton made that claim. > I read Eaters of the Dead years ago and had forgotten it was a > Crichton story. So I'm looking forward to seeing the movie this > weekend. Is it any good at all?? A man from oldnorsenet wrote a review on it that was pretty scathing. He mentioned (and here's the costume part of the message!) something about while there weren't any horns on the helmets of the good guys (I guess there are on the bad guys), he was sure he saw a Roman Gladitorial helmet on one of the vikings, as well as a 16th cent Spanish helmet on another! The weapons were wrong, the armor was wrong, and they spent most of the movie being drunk, inarticulate, and vomiting. If you like *really* schlocky viking movies, and Animal House type of humour, you might like the movie. Personally, I'd rather sew on a costume and put the money towards fabric. -Judy Mitchell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 3 22:05:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03727 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:05:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18445; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:19:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24139 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:16:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24128 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:16:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from slave (BayArea56k431.NetWiz.Net [208.164.208.31]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.9.2/8.9.1a) with SMTP id UAA17728 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D08E4F.47B6@netwiz.net> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 20:13:19 -0700 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Eurocentric complaint References: <37D0590D.787D@netwiz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Susan Fatemi trekona@erols.com wrote: > ... > enough bits of the *true* Ibn Fadlan account of the Rus with the story of > Beowulf to make it seem authentic. Yes, it is supposed to be Beowulf - Rats. Sounds like they practically ignore the Ibn Fadlan connection. Which was the main reason I wanted to see it. There are so many good stories waiting to be made, why do they waste gazillions of $$$ on junk? (rhetorical question) > inarticulate, and vomiting. If you like *really* schlocky viking movies, and > Animal House type of humour, you might like the movie. Personally, I'd rather > sew on a costume and put the money towards fabric. Not normally, no. But this was going to be a "treat". Maybe we'll go see 6th Sense, instead. sigh. Susan -- susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 3 23:57:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03828 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:57:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29037; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:11:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06910 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:09:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vcn.bc.ca (vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06905 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (izzie@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA02450 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:09:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Peggy A. Stonnell" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Eurocentric complaint In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Peggy A. Stonnell" On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 trekona@erols.com wrote: > > -Poster: trekona@erols.com > > > -Poster: Susan Fatemi > > > Excuuuuse meeee :-) While it may have *bits* of Beowolf (pun intended) > > it is based on a *true* story. > uh, actually it's not based on a *true* story, it's based on a true > *story*, if you see the difference. Chrichton's _Eater's of the Dead_ is indeed > a story (that part is true), but from what I've heard, the movie is only > "based" on it and doesn't follow it very well. However, it's not exactly a > *true* story. The book was written very well in its attempt to combine just > enough bits of the *true* Ibn Fadlan account of the Rus with the story of > Beowulf to make it seem authentic. Yes, it is supposed to be Beowulf - Crichton > had made a bet whether anyone could write a book based on Beowulf and get it on > the best sellers list, so he did. The current movie version, "13th Warrior" has > undergone many test showings and many re-writes, and a few different names > (like "The Last Viking"). > > > This came up on the very serious, academic Medieval middle east list. In the > > 10th century, the Caliph at Baghdad sent Ibn Fadlan as an envoy to the > > Bulgars. > The Rus, they were Swedish. Now he may also have gone to the Bulgars, I > don't know all his travels, but in this case he is known for his write-up on > the Rus. He was sent to the Bulgars, didn't get there, ran into the Rus on the way. > > > In the tradition of many other Islamic travellers, he wrote it all down. > > Unfortunately, it has been translated into every language except English. > unfortunately true. > > > Somehow Crichton got ahold of the basic story and embellished > > it (extensively) But he did such a good job, that at least one > > scholar thought he had somehow found the missing part of Ibn Fadlan's > > MS!! > well, that's in part because Crichton made that claim. The latest release of the book (renamed to match the movie for the tie in sales) has at the very back an article by Crichton explaining why he wrote the book and where he got things and such. In that article he says the first three chapters are from the genuine Ibn Fadlan's account, the remainder is from Crichton's imagination. > > > I read Eaters of the Dead years ago and had forgotten it was a > > Crichton story. So I'm looking forward to seeing the movie this > > weekend. Is it any good at all?? > A man from oldnorsenet wrote a review on it that was pretty scathing. He > mentioned (and here's the costume part of the message!) something about while > there weren't any horns on the helmets of the good guys (I guess there are on > the bad guys), he was sure he saw a Roman Gladitorial helmet on one of the > vikings, as well as a 16th cent Spanish helmet on another! The weapons were > wrong, the armor was wrong, and they spent most of the movie being drunk, > inarticulate, and vomiting. If you like *really* schlocky viking movies, and Gee, he must have been at a different movie than I was. The only vomiting was by "Ibn Fadlan" after viewing a particularly gory sight. And they spent most of the movie travelling or fighting. There was a lot of drinking implied at the funeral feast but that would be expected. > Animal House type of humour, you might like the movie. Personally, I'd rather > sew on a costume and put the money towards fabric. > > -Judy Mitchell Peggy Stonnell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 4 02:41:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA32741 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 02:41:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08828; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 01:55:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20759 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 01:54:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mb06.swip.net (mb06.swip.net [193.12.122.210]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20752 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 01:54:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nina (d212-151-173-85.swipnet.se [212.151.173.85]) by mb06.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA11589 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:54:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990904095523.009052e0@olga.swip.net> X-Sender: mo25111@olga.swip.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 09:55:23 +0200 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Nina Marcks v W Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Pattern Sale In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id BAA20755 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Nina Marcks v W Hi, What number are the Shakespear in Love one? I have tried I find the new ones at Simplicitys homepage but failed. Simplicity patterns are not for sale here in Sweden so I need to know the exact number and than ask someone to buy them for me. Which one should I get if I want an Elisabethan dress as good as possible. Nina in Sweden At 15:55 1999-09-03 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: aleed > > >Just thought I'd let y'all know...I went to Jo-Ann's today, and they're >having a sale on all of their simplicity patterns. Including the >"Shakespeare in Love" one. I got two at $1.99 each! > >Drea > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _____________________________________________________ Nina Marcks v W Höganäsgatan 1 B S-753 30 Uppsala tel +46-(0)18 - 10 12 86 _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 4 06:37:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00489 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:37:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA18036; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 05:51:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03084 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 05:50:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (pop1.cyberhighway.net [209.161.0.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA03078 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 05:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909041150.FAA03078@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 29164 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1999 05:50:01 -0600 Received: from ts26-31.boi.cyberhighway.net (HELO kathy) (209.161.8.145) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 1999 05:50:01 -0600 From: "K & J Hopkins" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Eurocentric complaint Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 05:56:19 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "K & J Hopkins" Definitely, see Sixth Sense!!!!! I know that this isn't the 'Movie Review' list, but I can't help myself! Sixth Sense is a very (to me, but I am easy) spooky movie that will have you thinking about it days after. Kathlene ---------- > From: Susan Fatemi > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: Eurocentric complaint > Date: Friday, September 03, 1999 9:13 PM > > > -Poster: Susan Fatemi > > trekona@erols.com wrote: > > > ... > > enough bits of the *true* Ibn Fadlan account of the Rus with the story of > > Beowulf to make it seem authentic. Yes, it is supposed to be Beowulf - > > Rats. Sounds like they practically ignore the Ibn Fadlan > connection. Which was the main reason I wanted to see it. > There are so many good stories waiting to be made, why > do they waste gazillions of $$$ on junk? (rhetorical question) > > > inarticulate, and vomiting. If you like *really* schlocky viking movies, and > > Animal House type of humour, you might like the movie. Personally, I'd rather > > sew on a costume and put the money towards fabric. > > Not normally, no. But this was going to be a "treat". > Maybe we'll go see 6th Sense, instead. > > sigh. > > Susan > > -- > susanf@netwiz.net > http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 4 08:18:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00570 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:18:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22573; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:32:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11372 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:31:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11365 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:30:59 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6DQYa06614 (4251) for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:30:17 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Eurocentric complaint To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 09/04/1999 1:11:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, izzie@vcn.bc.ca writes: << The latest release of the book (renamed to match the movie for the tie in sales) has at the very back an article by Crichton explaining why he wrote the book and where he got things and such. In that article he says the first three chapters are from the genuine Ibn Fadlan's account, the remainder is from Crichton's imagination. >> Also, when I read the book [years ago] in the into, Crichton relates how the book started on a bet he couldn't make Beowulf interesting to a modern audience. So it based on both. Too bad someone didn't bet the film makers they could make it interesting. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 4 08:37:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00579 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:37:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23538; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13094 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:50:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13086 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:50:29 -0600 (MDT) From: Fopdejour1@aol.com Received: from Fopdejour1@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6AEBa07437 (4409) for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <333558a1.25027d7d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:49:49 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Pattern Sale To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Fopdejour1@aol.com In a message dated 9/4/99 7:55:36 AM !!!First Boot!!!, nina.marcks@swipnet.se writes: << Hi, What number are the Shakespear in Love one? I have tried I find the new ones at Simplicitys homepage but failed. Simplicity patterns are not for sale here in Sweden so I need to know the exact number and than ask someone to buy them for me. Which one should I get if I want an Elisabethan dress as good as possible. Nina in Sweden >> The patern number for the Simplicity Shakespeare in Love Elizabethan dress is 8881. My Joanns fabric store didn't even have it put out yet...I went digging through boxes in the back to find it for 1.99 I would do that. Charles _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 4 08:39:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00583 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:39:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23687; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:54:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13387 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:52:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.31]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13380 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:52:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.254.114.161] (ts33-10.homenet.ohio-state.edu [140.254.114.161]) by mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27344 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909041352.JAA27344@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 09:52:20 -0400 Subject: H-COST: Blade DVD From: "Leta Hendricks" To: "h-costume@indra.com" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3019283540_380397_MIME_Part" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Leta Hendricks" > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3019283540_380397_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Howdy! The new Wesley Snipes "Blade" movie/computer DVD is WONDERFUL! This Warner - New Line Platinum DVD features: the film, audio commentary, isolated score, alternate film endings, vampire folklore, film production highlights, and FOUR! featurettes. In addition the "Blade" DVD computer disk features: original screenplay, access to every screen shot within screenplay, highlights from ComicCon '98, weblinks, and MORE (e.g., costume design)!! This marvel (pun intended) of technology is a great information resource for costume artists, film historians, scholars of popular culture, and chip heads. Also, I have my G3 - DVD computer connected to my home entertainment system -- The digital surround-sound (G3 + stereo sub-woofer) and pix image (G3 + RCA connection to TV) blows me away. A must experience "The software box said Windows '98 or better, ... so I bought a MAC." from garage.com. *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ Leta Hendricks Assistant Professor Head, EHS Systems EHS Library The Ohio State University 110 Sullivant Hall 1813 Neil Avenue Columbus, Ohio 43210 614.292.2075 hendricks.3@osu.edu http://www.hec.ohio-state.edu/hendrick/index.htm http://www.lib.ohio-state.edu/OSU_profile/ehsweb/ --MS_Mac_OE_3019283540_380397_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Blade DVD Howdy!


The new Wesley Snipes "Blade" movie/= computer DVD is WONDERFUL!
 
This Warner - New Line Platinum DVD features: the film, audio commentary, i= solated score, alternate film  endings, vampire folklore, film producti= on highlights, and FOUR! featurettes.  In addition the "Blade" DVD computer disk features: original screenplay, access to every sc= reen shot within screenplay, highlights from ComicCon '98, weblinks, and MOR= E (e.g., costume design)!!
This marvel (pun intended) of technology is a great information resource fo= r costume artists, film historians, scholars of popular culture, and chip he= ads.

Also, I have my G3 - DVD computer connected to my home entertainment system= --
The digital surround-sound (G3 + stereo sub-woofer) and pix image (G3 + RCA= connection to TV) blows me away.

A must experience

"The software box said Windows '98 or better, ... so I bought a MAC.&q= uot;  from garage.com.
 
*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
Leta Hendricks
Assistant Professor
Head, EHS Systems
EHS Library
The Ohio State University
110 Sullivant Hall
1813 Neil Avenue
Columbus, Ohio  43210

614.292.2075
hendricks.3@osu.edu
http://www.hec.ohio-state.edu/hendrick/index.htm
http://www.lib.ohio-state.edu/OSU_profile/ehsweb/


--MS_Mac_OE_3019283540_380397_MIME_Part-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 4 08:59:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00593 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:59:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24553; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14927 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:11:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14917 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:11:21 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6XRA0C1OZQ (4251) for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <28379039.25028266@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:10:46 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Blade DVD To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 09/04/1999 9:53:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hendricks.3@osu.edu writes: << The new Wesley Snipes "Blade" movie/computer DVD is WONDERFUL! >> And this [stupid, "not more of this"] movie has WHAT to do with H-costume? I certainly don't mind talking movies here if there is some costume related reason...but Blade?? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 4 09:35:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00615 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:35:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27337; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:49:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18239 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:48:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.31]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18229 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:48:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.254.114.161] (ts33-10.homenet.ohio-state.edu [140.254.114.161]) by mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01103 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909041448.KAA01103@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 10:47:29 -0400 Subject: Re: H-COST: Blade DVD From: "Leta Hendricks" To: "h-costume@indra.com" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Leta Hendricks" I, as an African-American, educator, librarian, and technologist, find the "Blade" DVD a valuable resource for studying costume design in modern film genres, and developing multimedia rom products for teaching and instruction. "Blade," is one of the first multimedia DVD products. This DVD multimedia package offers more than entertainmnet -- information on film costume design and related subjects are presented on the disk. If this DVD is a huge commercial success, more multimedia DVDs will be developed for entertainment, education, and (hopefully) costume study use. Also, please define <<>> ASANTE/PEACE ---------- >From: AlbertCat@aol.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: Blade DVD >Date: Sat, Sep 4, 1999, 10:10 AM > > > -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > > In a message dated 09/04/1999 9:53:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > hendricks.3@osu.edu writes: > > << The new Wesley Snipes "Blade" movie/computer DVD is WONDERFUL! >> > > And this [stupid, "not more of this"] movie has WHAT to do with H-costume? > > I certainly don't mind talking movies here if there is some costume related > reason...but Blade?? > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 4 09:44:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00622 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:44:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27978; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:58:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19129 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:57:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from viper.columbus.rr.com (viper.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.254]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19115 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc.columbus.rr.com (dhcp31161186.columbus.rr.com [24.31.161.186]) by viper.columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA10149 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007401bef6e5$f979b800$baa11f18@dsc.columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Blade DVD Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:58:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >I, as an African-American, educator, librarian, and technologist, find the >"Blade" DVD a valuable resource for studying costume design in modern film >genres, and developing multimedia rom products for teaching and instruction. Cool (I hope more movies put out multimedia DVDs with costume info in the future), but I suspect the objection is in the fact that "Blade" isn't a "historical" film, and so really isn't the main interest of this list, although that could have been stated better. We do talk about film costuming a fair bit, but it's almost always in connection to a movie that's set sometime in the past. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 4 10:26:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00657 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:26:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00594; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23668 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:39:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (ha1.rdc2.mi.home.com [24.2.68.68]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23661 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:39:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990904153929.OZJI7576.mail.rdc2.mi.home.com@c59303a> for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:39:29 -0700 Message-ID: <007a01bef6eb$8b981560$ac350418@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: H-COST: hair stull Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:33:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" here is an article about a hairdresser and how she finds things in places like home depot to fix up long hair! http://www.sltrib.com/96/FEB/04/tbz/04431571.htm Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas motto: Numquam scribae ridente fide _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 4 10:57:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00674 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:57:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02644; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:11:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26928 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:10:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (ha1.rdc2.mi.home.com [24.2.68.68]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26918 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:10:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303a ([24.4.53.172]) by mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990904160957.PIPW7576.mail.rdc2.mi.home.com@c59303a> for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:09:57 -0700 Message-ID: <00a601bef6ef$cd5a0cc0$ac350418@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Franchesca Havas" To: Subject: H-COST: three french ladies Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:05:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Franchesca Havas" Myself and two friends will be dressing alike at our next 12th night. We are going to be French. The hoop skirt that once was online that I want to make is no longer there. The ones we want to make are the side hoops, the ones that are in two pieces and tied on at the waist. Does anyone know what I am talking about? I need the periods they were used and some reference material. I have books but just do not know where to start as they seem to jump periods quite a bit with the same design. Help! Sincerely, F. Havas Dallas, Texas motto: Numquam scribae ridente fide _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 4 11:29:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00714 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:29:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05340; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:43:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00708 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:42:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00700 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:42:23 -0600 (MDT) From: ErrickII@aol.com Received: from ErrickII@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6MWPa13743 (4185) for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:41:43 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Blade DVD To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: ErrickII@aol.com In a message dated 9/4/99 10:16:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > n a message dated 09/04/1999 9:53:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > hendricks.3@osu.edu writes: > > << The new Wesley Snipes "Blade" movie/computer DVD is WONDERFUL! >> > > And this [stupid, "not more of this"] movie has WHAT to do with H-costume? > > I certainly don't mind talking movies here if there is some costume related > reason...but Blade?? Lets see....Movies different flavors for different folks. Hollywood costume designer of the world. Movies source of costume design, historical or not. New technology, DVD stop action for costume design study. I can't sew very well, didn't care for the movie, but I still find this group useful and fun. I see a reasonable reason for that post. But that's only my .02 worth. Errick _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 4 14:40:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00842 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 14:40:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21338; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:53:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21768 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:51:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21757 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:51:46 -0600 (MDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6RWP0GJMZ3 (3890) for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <213b3241.2502d22f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:51:11 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: three french ladies To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com In a message dated 9/4/1999 09:10:44 Pacific Daylight Time, ches@io.com writes: << The hoop skirt that once was online that I want to make is no longer there. The ones we want to make are the side hoops, the ones that are in two pieces and tied on at the waist.>> +++I'm fairly certain you're speaking of "paniers, or panniers" They were used in 18th century French court dress. They began as a "stiff underskirt fitted with more or less circular (or dome- or cupola-shaped) boned hoops, worn under the robe volante. It was then divided and took the form of oblong paniers, spreading the fulness of court gowns on either side of the hips." Boucher +++++ Does anyone know what I am talking about? I need the periods they were used and some reference material. I have books but just do not know where to start as they seem to jump periods quite a bit with the same design. Help! >> If this is indeed, the hoop skirts of which you speak, then you can find them in ref books on 18th century France, for sure. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Costumes & Custom Clothing Theatrical Costume Design "As in a theater, the eyes of men, after a well-graced actor leaves the stage, are idly bent on him that enters next, thinking his prattle to be tedious." Richard II; V, ii - W. Shakespeare QUICK-LINK: http://come.to/costumes FULL URL: http://sj.znet.com/~thespian/angil/index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 4 14:42:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00847 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 14:42:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21482; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:55:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21983 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:54:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vega.utulsa.edu (vega.utulsa.edu [129.244.1.81]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21972 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mcfref55 (ref08.utulsa.edu) by vega.utulsa.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with SMTP id <0FHJ00FJ5WLLLS@vega.utulsa.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 14:53:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 15:01:13 -0500 From: Marc Carlson Subject: Re: H-COST: Eurocentric complaint (OT?) X-Sender: marc-carlson@pop.utulsa.edu To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3.0.6.32.19990904150113.007a7e00@pop.utulsa.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Marc Carlson Is it possible that, if indeed Crichton did base his material at least in part on Ibn Fadlan's record (I'm neither saying he did or did not - I haven't studied it in any depth), and the movie is then based, in part, on that book, the perceptions of the Rus are not intended to portray an accurate perception of the Rus, but rather a (at least) third hand interpretation from a "civilized" Moslem dealing with strange barbarians? Is it not surprising then that the details are flagrantly wrong (after all, why shouldn't they be)? Personally, I think that expecting "accuracy" in the cinema is like expecting politicians to be honest (it's not when it happens and should be encouraged at all costs, but it's a little naive to assume it's the standard). These people are *storytellers*, not historians. If they need to change something to get a particular effect in the story, they are going to. (If anyone objects to these opinions, please discuss it with me off-list) Marc Carlson marc-carlson@utulsa.edu _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 4 19:12:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01027 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 19:12:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10026; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18605 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:25:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18600 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:25:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6BAMa22755 (4262) for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:24:53 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: three french ladies To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Cheryldee@aol.com In a message dated 9/4/99 10:11:23 AM Mountain Daylight Time, ches@io.com writes: << Does anyone know what I am talking about? I need the periods they were used and some reference material. I have books but just do not know where to start as they seem to jump periods quite a bit with the same design. Help! >> They're called "panniers". Corsets and Crinolines has a very easy pattern. I've always used spring steel to hold them out. BTW I am a new subscriber to this list. My name is Cheryl Odom. I am a costume designer with an interest in social history and historic garments. I was on this list several years ago and then the address changes. Just found you again! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 4 22:44:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01267 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:44:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26231; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:59:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09430 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:57:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09425 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:57:08 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6ESEa00255 (4182) for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 23:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2560043d.250343d4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 23:56:04 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Blade DVD To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 09/04/1999 10:57:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nicolaa@columbus.rr.com writes: << "Blade" DVD a valuable resource for studying costume design in modern film >genres, and developing multimedia rom products for teaching and instruction. Cool (I hope more movies put out multimedia DVDs with costume info in the future), but I suspect the objection is in the fact that "Blade" isn't a "historical" film, >> Hmmmm I simply just don't remember anything in the film "Blade" that was definitive or even innovative or original for that matter. I found it purely imitative ....a bunch of bites from other "vampires among us"/ "tough guys in leather" film. Films like "Blade Runner" [ironic, huh?] or "Dark City" are more instructive as far as costume design....for dark futuristic films... than "Blade". [imho, of course] How about "Brazil"? Ok...all three have historical "roots" I suppose. How about "5th Element" or "The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover" for contemporary designs? I just don't see "Blade" as informative costume wise as these others. If it's the "behind the scenes" feature of the DVD that appeals to you, be warned...they're not so very accurate and are conceived as commercials for the film. But, please, don't be upset just because I didn't like "Blade". _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 4 22:44:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01271 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:44:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26239; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:59:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09519 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:57:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09513 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:57:57 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6KIA0CMbfX (4182) for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 23:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <393740cd.25034420@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 23:57:20 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Blade DVD To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 09/04/1999 12:43:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ErrickII@aol.com writes: << Lets see...Movies different flavors for different folks. Hollywood costume designer of the world. Movies source of costume design, historical or not. New technology, DVD stop action for costume design study. I can't sew very well, didn't care for the movie, but I still find this group useful and fun. I see a reasonable reason for that post. But that's only my .02 worth. >> All this I can agree with. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 5 09:37:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30771 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 09:37:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26687; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 08:52:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24088 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 08:50:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f84.hotmail.com [207.82.250.190]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA24082 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 08:50:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 55101 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 1999 14:49:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19990905144933.55100.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.156.3.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 07:49:33 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.156.3.66] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: 18th c. quilted petticoats Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 07:49:33 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" I want to make one of these. I have a really nice rosy taupe glazed cotton that would be nice for the outer shell, and plan to underline it with lightweight wool. I only know a couple of people who have actually made quilted petticoats, and only one who did it entirely by hand. Of course, now I have lost contact with all of these people so I can't go back and ask them for pointers. I remember the one who did it by hand started out with wide spaces between the quilting so she could start wearing it, and as she had time, would sit down and keep quilting more bands and rows closer together so eventually it was quite closely patterned. When I saw it, it was gorgeous and she only had a portion of the back (under her outer gown, and not seen) to finish. I have not had the opportunity to examine an original, and would like to know if it would be more advisable to leave the woolen underlining as is or actually sandwich it between the outer shell and an inner lining of glazed linen. Anyone have any input? Regards, Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 5 10:07:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30791 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 10:07:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28751; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 09:21:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27010 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 09:20:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27001 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 09:20:26 -0600 (MDT) From: SAQUEEN@aol.com Received: from SAQUEEN@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6OFYOfuL3_ (4552) for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <79410fb8.2503e415@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:19:49 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: 18th c. quilted petticoats To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com In a message dated 9/5/99 10:52:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, oh_susannah@hotmail.com writes: << I have not had the opportunity to examine an original, and would like to know if it would be more advisable to leave the woolen underlining as is or actually sandwich it between the outer shell and an inner lining of glazed linen. >> Susannah, 18th century quilted petticoats had 3 layers just like quilts as the batting was not as stable as today's battings can be. On the originals, the outer fabric ranged from china silk (did a reproduction of this one from the Colonial Williamsburg collection) to callimanco (modern polished cottons are a good imitation of this 18th century glazed wool) to wool satin. The batting was fairly thin and the backings were often shalloon (cheap glazed linen used for linings) or other cheaper fabrics with loose weave. Try a sample of the polished cotton to see that you can actually quilt through it -- some have such a high finish that it is difficult to get the needle through it! As to size, there was generally 4x waist measurement in petticoats. (If waist is 25", there is 100" in the skirt.) To minimize the bulk around the waist, some originals have an unquilted area of about 3" from the waistband. Have fun -- it's a great project. Sally Costume Calendar Series http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 5 12:13:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31025 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:13:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09723; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:27:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09691 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:26:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09686 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22281 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 10:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-214.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.214]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24551 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 10:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003c01bef7c4$99169fc0$7917fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Michelle & Elizabethan corsets Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 10:32:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" I have been using Friendly email. I have had problems with them. I can't view any attachments. When I have used the system on-line I get booted out while trying to compose messages, etc. I always download to my computer using the Express so the problems in the past hadn't bothered me. I just avoided them. This, however is a big problem. I had checked my mail 3 times in 24 hours, waiting for her response to my cry for help. At one point I had 25 emails. It was by no means full. Can someone please refer me to an email server that works?!? Michelle ->-Poster: Margo Anderson > >Sorry for the waste of bandwidth, folks, but this lady is on a heavy >deadline ands sounds desperate. > >Michelle: check your mailbox! I keep sending you the corset/bodice help, >and it's bouncing back with a "mailbox disk full" message. > >Margo _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 5 15:18:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00905 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:18:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24806; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:33:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28789 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:29:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (IDENT:root@sm0101.promedia.net [209.160.170.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28782 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from j9g8x8 (ppp-209-160-171-173.01.promedia.net [209.160.171.173]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA04295 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:29:43 -0700 Message-ID: <002101bef7dd$af557900$adaba0d1@j9g8x8> From: "Broneske" To: "H-Costume" Subject: H-COST: New and Improved website Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:31:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Broneske" I am pleased to announce that I have FINALLY gotten around to revamping my website. It is up and running (except for a few "under construction" parts) and I have actually started working on my "jumpdress" again. You can see updates of this at: http://www.softcom.net/users/unicorn/jmpdress.htm My website including "Gallery of Garb" and "How to Make A Victorian Corset" is at: http://www.softcom.net/users/unicorn/index.html Joan Broneske unicorn@softcom.net @-->---------------- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 5 15:29:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01088 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:29:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25932; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:44:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00180 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:42:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00175 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:42:54 -0600 (MDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6EBIa09417 (4228) for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:42:07 EDT Subject: H-COST: Website Up & running To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com Okay, so it's never going to be finished to my satisfaction, but I couldn't stand not sharing any longer, particularly after spending some time drooling at the goodies on Margo's site. Huzzah to her! Let me know if any links are broken or something really grabs you either way. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Costumes & Custom Clothing Theatrical Costume Design "Let me take you a buttonhole lower." Love's Labours Lost, V, ii - W. Shakespeare QUICK-LINK: http://come.to/costumes FULL URL: http://sj.znet.com/~thespian/angil/index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 5 15:31:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01109 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:31:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26069; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:46:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00397 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:44:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from falcon.canfield.com (falcon.canfield.com [206.191.139.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00388 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:44:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Leslie (u6-49.wa.net [206.191.135.113]) by falcon.canfield.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA21766 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:51:01 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990905131526.0358a750@mail.canfield.com> X-Sender: leslie@mail.canfield.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 13:44:02 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Leslie Helms Subject: H-COST: Hearsay and other tripe In-Reply-To: <199909041411.IAA14962@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Leslie Helms Perhaps some of you have seen a newspaper writeup about an event at which you were present, or that you know about from the inside, and you realize how distorted and downright untrue the news coverage is. It's also that inaccurate on the subjects you don't know about, of course, but that is harder to recognize. That's how I feel about the recent posts on 13th Warrior. Little or no substance, lots of irrelevant slander. I don't really care what anyone says about a movie (since I haven't worked on any myself) but the comments about this film make me question a lot of the other things I read on this list. If someone who hasn't even seen the movie feels comfortable reporting it as drunken, vomiting Viking schlock, then I really don't want to waste my attention on that person's comments about historical costuming! I see this kind of film as a great conversation-maker among costumers. (Extra points to everyone who recognized the gladiator's helmet!) Sorting out the silly bits (like plate armor) from the reasonable pieces is a good exercise to hone our own memories and skills. When inappropriate pieces are used in a movie like Elizabeth R, it's quite different from a hodgepodge of armor pieces used in what is clearly a fantasy movie. (And oh, don't I wish they'd had a continuity person in 13th Warrior! That sort of inaccuracy is even harder on me than the Tartars with spears... Spears! Hah!) On the other hand, if you didn't like this movie, it's entirely safe to just shut up about it. History remains intact and unviolated. My point is that it's just silly and mean-spirited to pick apart a film for its historical inaccuracy when there was no historical accuracy intended or attempted! However there is a wealth of ideas in it and things that worked, or almost worked, or didn't work, that were done on a vivid and intense scale. There was a particular jewelry piece made by an acquaintance of mine that I watched for and didn't see until my third viewing of the film. By then, believe me, I had made pretty accurate observations of most of the costuming. There was a lot of clothing that worked very well. Just the fact that people got dirty and stayed dirty was a massive improvement over much of what we see! Grumbly today, Leslie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 5 17:01:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01804 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:01:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04141; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:15:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09090 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:13:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from phantom.golden.net (phantom.golden.net [199.166.210.30]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09079 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.183.130.84] (AS52-12-84.cas-kit.golden.net [209.183.130.84]) by phantom.golden.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07584 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:13:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: lgsteph@pop.golden.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gary Stephens Subject: H-COST: early 18thc waistcoat Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Gary Stephens Dear List, I've run into a wee bit of a snag I wondered if any of you would be willing to assist me with? I'm launching into a new project for my embroidery frame, an early 18th century waistcoat, which will have an embroidered motif based upon one designed by Charles Germain St. Aubin for the occassion of the marriage of the Dauphin. It's a very exciting project, in that the design will all be fronds of gold bullion with delicate sprays of berries in shaded rose-colours and russets, all of this done on a gorgeous piece of royal blue saracenet (heavy silk twill) lined with royal blue striped silk jacquard. The embroidery is not my problem. It's the stupid pattern I'm working with! :-) And here is where I wondered if any you would be able to shed some light on the subject? It is a Harriet's TCS pattern with which I'm working, not the greatest as far as explanations go. I'm just fiddling up the muslin and lo, vague instructions and odd bits on the pattern. To be specific: I can find no documentation for patch pockets during that period. I've visited the Museum of Costume's website. Nothing with patch pockets. I've looked through my limited books. Nothing. Do any of you have reference for patch pockets during this period? My other difficulty is the side seams. Harriet has a small extension on the lower part of her side seam (which extends properly toward the back, not directly under the arm) which would lead one to believe this is perhaps for a miniscule box pleat. However, the extension is so small as to be useless. No problem. I could draft it larger. But, again, my problem is lack of documentation. I can find no visible examples of the sideseams of this style of waistcoat, and so I am unsure about going ahead and making the pleat. As well, I had always been under the assumption, likely mistakenly, this style of waistcoat had a back vent. Once more it seems all drawings and photos show the front, but not the sides or backs. Argh. Is this something any of you would know? Lorina Stephens -------------------------------------- Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, period furniture & fine hand-sewn garments ~ e-mail: lgsteph@golden.net ~ website: http://www.historicmerchants.com/fiverivers _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 5 20:05:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02001 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:05:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18730; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:19:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27577 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:15:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from MailAndNews.com (mailandnews.com [206.156.199.130]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27565 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.6.194.47] (rvoris@mailandnews.com); Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:13:31 -0400 X-WM-Posted-At: MailAndNews.com; Sun, 5 Sep 99 21:13:31 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990905211951.007b0ad0@mailandnews.com> X-Sender: rvoris@mailandnews.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 21:19:51 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Rebecca Voris Subject: Re: H-COST: looking for cheap cotton solids In-Reply-To: <199908261509.JAA23731@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Rebecca Voris At 09:09 AM 8/26/99 -0600, you wrote: >Since my favorite fabric merchant wasn't at Pennsic, I'm now looking >for a source of very cheap 100% cotton in solid basic colors like >white, red, green, yellow, blue, etc. I'm used to paying $1-2/yd, but >that may not be possible. Any help you can give me would be greatly >appreciated! 1. Watch the sales at Jo-Anns. They frequently have cotton at $2/yd. 2. Check out SewFisticated Fabrics, in Twin City Plaza near Lechemere. $2-ish a yard is their regular price for all-cotton solids. 3. Get it wholesale at American Quilting Supply in Pembroke (where the Waytes get their fabric for the livery). Off-the-bolt solids are in the $2-ish range, but you must buy at least 10 yards. Or you can buy a bag of remnants, each one 5-11 yards, six to ten pieces in each bag, at $1.50/yd. Tell them you're from the Barony of Carolingia. Since we've already bought from them, you don't have to worry about the initial minimum purchase. -- Godith Anyon Carolingia _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 5 20:37:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02033 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:36:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21637; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:50:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00978 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:48:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f63.hotmail.com [207.82.251.197]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA00969 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:48:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 59984 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 1999 01:48:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19990906014824.59983.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.156.3.68 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 18:48:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.156.3.68] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: early 18thc waistcoat Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 18:48:23 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Lorina, First, I must compliment you on your website. Lovely work! We, too, having researched extensively, have been unable to find an even half-way decent waistcoat pattern available on the market. This includes the JP Ryan pattern, and numerous others. The shoulders NEVER fit correctly (too square) and the bodies are usually MUCH too baggy in the chest & hip areas, and do not give the proper 18th century "pigeon-breasted" silhouette, having been drafted to fit more of the "modern" square-shouldered figure. We therefore, when undertaking to make a mid-18th c. waistcoat, have chosen to do one of two things: 1. use the pattern in Cut of Men's Clothing of a waistcoat worn by Thomas Worsley, c. 1770 or so. This drafts nicely on graph paper to about a modern chest 40 (American). 2. we have drafted smaller and larger sizes, based on a pattern of our own design, firmy based on not only the above but on examination of originals. In no case have we ever seen, or heard of, patch pockets either on the inside or outside of any men's waistcoat before 1840, and I am not sure they would be appropriate after that, either... that's just the limit of my knowledge on the subject. We also do not exactly follow the pleated section at the (back) side seam you referred to. Usually waistcoats of this period do not have pleats, but rather vents, usually one on either side of the center back vent (you are correct in your statement that this should be there. You could easily add one.)... Is it possible that the forepart just overlays the back sections, and is not actually pleated? This would follow most waistcoats of the era that we have studied. I would hesitate to draft any part larger to accomodate the alleged pleats unless you are certain that this would have been more correct. I would highly suggest examining the shape of the pattern mentioned above in the Cut of Men's Clothes, by Norah Waugh, available on ILL and thru Amazon, for a good pattern to start with. You may either draft it out on graph paper, or change Harriet's pattern shapes to coincide with what you see. But you seem an intellegent and highly capable person (your lovely embroidery projects would certainly bear testament to that!), and I am sure you would do fine with a graphed pattern. The results would really be most correct. Please let me know if I can be of any help. Regards, Susannah > >-Poster: Gary Stephens > >Dear List, > > I've run into a wee bit of a snag ... an early 18th century waistcoat, >which will have an >embroidered... > >It's the stupid pattern I'm >working with! :-) And here is where I wondered if any you would be able to >shed some light on the subject? > > It is a Harriet's TCS pattern... To be specific: I can find no >documentation for patch pockets >during that period. Do any >of you have reference for patch pockets during this period? > > My other difficulty is the side seams. Harriet has a small >extension on the lower part of her side seam (which extends properly toward >the back, not directly under the arm) which would lead one to believe this >is perhaps for a miniscule box pleat. However, the extension is so small as >to be useless. > As well, I had always been under the assumption, likely mistakenly, >this style of waistcoat had a back vent. Once more it seems all drawings >and photos show the front, but not the sides or backs. Argh. Is this >something any of you would know? > >Lorina Stephens > "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 5 22:05:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02140 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 22:05:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00882; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10042 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:18:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10031 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:18:25 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6CVWa23990 (4249) for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49ce7b86.25048c53@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:17:39 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: early 18thc waistcoat To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 09/05/1999 6:17:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lgsteph@golden.net writes: << I can find no documentation for patch pockets during that period. >> I've never seen them in a waistcoat. Indeed, the pocket flap's purpose is to cover the pocket "mouth"....the open whole that is ...when I do them...straight on top and curved on the bottom.....like a mouth. <> I've never seen this either. Usually the side seams of the waist coat are only sewn to a few inches below the waist....kinda like the coat. Perhaps you are to stop there & the little extra is just finished with the lining....like a little undrelap or something. <> Early waistcoats have long backs, as long as the fronts, which can come to the knee. As I said above, they are only sewn to a few inches below the waist. This is true of a CB seam too. Some waistcoats have backs that are shorter than the fronts but I think this is a later development. Early waistcoats are indeed very like coats. Many have [lace in] sleeves with embroidered cuffs a little smaller than the coat cuffs. They are often turned up over the coat cuffs. This is often misinterpreted in theatre as a coat with cuffs that match the waistcoat...but it's really the cuffs OF the waistcoat. I'm no historian but this has been my experience making 18th cen. men's things. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 6 00:37:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02248 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:37:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13931; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25121 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:49:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from falcon.canfield.com (falcon.canfield.com [206.191.139.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25115 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:49:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Leslie (u6-21.wa.net [206.191.135.85]) by falcon.canfield.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA21857 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 22:55:52 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990905224156.03589960@mail.canfield.com> X-Sender: leslie@mail.canfield.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 22:48:50 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Leslie Helms Subject: H-COST: Apology! In-Reply-To: <199909052030.OAA28854@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Leslie Helms I get the digest, so I haven't seen any messages yet since I posted earlier today. However, I expect some list members may be justifiably annoyed with me. As I look back at what I wrote, what I then thought was a bit grumpy now appears quite rude. What I MEANT to say was that hearsay isn't a good basis for conversation, especially on a list like this which concerns itself with trying to sort out fact from fiction. What I DID say was much more direct than that; I ask the original poster on this topic, particularly, not to take it as a personal insult. I really mustn't post when my arthritic hip is screaming loudly at me. Back to the ibuprofen bottle now, Leslie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 6 13:21:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31691 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:21:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05717; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16149 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:34:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16144 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:34:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from slave (BayArea56k506.NetWiz.Net [208.164.208.106]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.9.2/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA05621 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D40858.5008@netwiz.net> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 11:30:48 -0700 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: 13th warrior References: <4.1.19990905131526.0358a750@mail.canfield.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Susan Fatemi Leslie Helms wrote: > ... > That's how I feel about the recent posts on 13th Warrior. Little or no > substance, lots of irrelevant slander. I don't really care what anyone Well, I went to see it myself with my wannabe film-maker son. We really enjoyed it! Once you accept it as fantasy, the rest doesn't matter! > (Extra points to everyone who recognized the gladiator's helmet!) Me, me! And conquistador helmet/armor?? Don't know much about armor. I did groan when I.F. managed to fashion a scimitar out of a viking blade! Don't know much about Viking clothing either -- shirts, pants, cloaks looked ok, except for the plaid scarf on the guy with the Scots accent! Antonio's outfit was all wrong of course, looked like they re-cycled Omar Sharif's outfit fror Lawrence of Arabia, or maybe "the Sheik", i.e. Bedouin. Not 10th c. poet/scholar urban dweller. > of inaccuracy is even harder on me than the Tartars with spears... Good point. Should've been bows and arrows. Let's see, what other booboos... I was surprised to learn that redwoods grow in Scandinavia (kept expecting Ewoks to pop out of the woods), and at one point I.F. comments on the long summer evenings, when just a bit earlier, it had been pouring down rain and seemed cold. And the gore was not unbearable. Obviously violence was necessary, as it was a battle between good and evil! It was a ripping good, swashbucking yarn and worth seeing just for fun. Susan (After the movie I went next door to buy 2 of the Queen Amidala dolls. I didn't even know they were available, didn't anyone on the list mention them?? Not the $60 "collector's edition", just the regular ones.) -- susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 6 13:29:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31721 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:29:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06394; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:44:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16981 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:42:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16975 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:42:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from slave (BayArea56k506.NetWiz.Net [208.164.208.106]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.9.2/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA07058 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D40A72.8F5@netwiz.net> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 11:39:46 -0700 From: Susan Fatemi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: p.s.13th warrior References: <4.1.19990905131526.0358a750@mail.canfield.com> <37D40858.5008@netwiz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Susan Fatemi Susan Fatemi wrote: > Antonio's outfit was all wrong of course, looked like they > re-cycled Omar Sharif's outfit fror Lawrence of Arabia, or > maybe "the Sheik", i.e. Bedouin. Not 10th c. poet/scholar > urban dweller. Forgot to mention, Antonio's shirt had a zillion cute little buttons on it (nobody was using buttons in the 10th c, right?) And his jacket looked like late Ottoman, heavily embroidered and beaded. Still liked it! Susan -- Oh Noh! Kimonos! susanf@netwiz.net http://www.netwiz.net/~susanf _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 6 13:31:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31737 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:31:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06586; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:46:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17159 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:44:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17154 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:44:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p6.directcon.net [206.170.184.55]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28938 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909061843.LAA28938@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: corset and bodice videos Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson Has anyone seen the corset and bodice making videos advertised on this page: : http://www.augproductions.com or know who was involved with them? The name given is "Fashions through History". Margo Anderson "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 6 15:51:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31950 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:51:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22283; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00873 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:02:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00864 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:02:02 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6CCKa07446 (4258) for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3d470d5f.250585b4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:01:40 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: 13th warrior [OT] To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 09/06/1999 2:37:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, susanf@netwiz.net writes: << Once you accept it as fantasy, the rest doesn't matter! >> The irony is that one of the book's purposes was to interject reality into the myth of Beowulf. Now the film ignores reality & history to make it a mythic action flick....and we've come full circle [except Beowulf has more value culturally, yes' _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 6 15:54:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31967 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:54:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22823; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:10:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01235 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:06:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01229 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:06:16 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6ZQP0NLml0 (4258) for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:05:39 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: corset and bodice videos To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 09/06/1999 2:46:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, margo@directcon.net writes: << http://www.augproductions.com >> Cool! Except I don't like the corset or bodice pictured. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 6 16:21:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32085 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:21:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25870; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:36:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03999 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:34:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03989 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:34:32 -0600 (MDT) From: ErrickII@aol.com Received: from ErrickII@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6OVRa22756 (3861) for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <741fc8ad.25058d47@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:33:59 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: 13th warrior To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: ErrickII@aol.com In a message dated 9/6/99 2:39:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, susanf@netwiz.net writes: > Well, I went to see it myself with my wannabe film-maker son. > We really enjoyed it! Once you accept it as fantasy, the rest > doesn't matter! > > > (Extra points to everyone who recognized the gladiator's helmet!) Point! Historical not....Fun Yes. I even enjoyed finding errors. Errick _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 6 16:40:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32107 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:40:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27618; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:55:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11202 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:53:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from postal.grin.net (root@postal.grin.net [209.104.220.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11193 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:53:21 -0600 (MDT) From: lilinah@grin.net Received: from [208.225.99.193] (ppp193.creative.net [208.225.99.193]) by postal.grin.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04004 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:53:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: lilinah@mail.grin.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:01:48 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Looking For Commentary on Arnold... Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: lilinah@grin.net A few weeks ago i finally saw a booklet i'd heard about. It was written by a (former?) SCA member in the 1980's, IIRC, who criticized many of Arnold's costume drafts. The book is based on his practical experience, he made pieces by her directions then by his corrected method. The book includes extensive commentary, photographs and diagrams. The title is escaping me at the moment. I'd really like a copy. But it was one of those self-published, plastic-spiral bound thingies sold at SCA events. The author lived in St. Louis MO, i think. Any hints, clues, copies for sale, possible trades? Thanks Lilinah, SCA'ly known as Anahita _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 6 17:51:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32221 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:51:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05028; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:06:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18282 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:04:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from phantom.golden.net (phantom.golden.net [199.166.210.30]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18274 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.183.128.81] (AS52-02-81.cas-kit.golden.net [209.183.128.81]) by phantom.golden.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06903 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:04:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: lgsteph@pop.golden.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909062106.PAA01246@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Gary Stephens Subject: H-COST: Re: early 18thc waistcoat Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Gary Stephens Dear Susannah, et al, Many thanks for the information. I've since today found a little more primary source documentation to support my suspicions and yours, and spent the day drafting my own pattern and now have the left front embroidery pattern transfered. I'm so excited I'm twitching, but one needs be sensible. :-) I am indeed allowing the side extension to become a vent. And have modified for a back vent as well. Found no evidence of patch pockets so trashed Harriet's concept and went with the welt and flap. For any considering sewing patterns, I would hestitate to recommend the Harriet's long waistcoat pattern. The cover line drawing indicates a waistcoat c1740, when in fact on the pattern she indicates 1760. Completely different style. And you've already heard the other problems. Like many of you, seems drafting your own is the only way to go. However, there are two other long 18th c. waistcoat patterns available, which are allegedly very good: Tailor's Guide and Pegee of Williamsburg. I intend working with each before year end in order to attest to their accuracy when I offer mailorder historical sewing patterns for the general public. Again, many thanks for the assistance. regards Lorina Stephens -------------------------------------- Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, period furniture & fine hand-sewn garments ~ e-mail: lgsteph@golden.net ~ website: http://www.historicmerchants.com/fiverivers _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 6 18:53:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32350 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:53:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10459; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:07:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24012 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:05:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24003 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:05:29 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6MVMa07437 (4461) for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b494c56.2505b09f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:04:47 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: early 18thc waistcoat To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 09/06/1999 7:06:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lgsteph@golden.net writes: << and went with the welt and flap. >> Do they do that? I mean what we think of as a conventional welt & flap. On 18th century things I have always just made the open "mouth" in the front pieces, made the flap up as a separate thingie, then stab stitched it over mouth. The flap is not set into the top of the mouth, and the mouth does not have a welt but is finished with the pocket bag. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 6 20:00:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32388 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:00:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17685; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00766 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:13:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00758 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:13:02 -0600 (MDT) From: SAQUEEN@aol.com Received: from SAQUEEN@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6HMA09iJPq (3950) for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:12:04 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: early 18thc waistcoat To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com Albert and all -- Yes, you are correct, the pocket opening is generally curved opening and the pocket flap is attached over the opening, stab stitched to the body of the waistcoat. A slight curve to the flap, not stitched straight across is the period aesthetics. I am looking at waistcoat, circa 1700 - 1720 from Royal Ontario Museums (featured in January 2000 calendar, Historic Fashions Turning the Centuries). Sleeved waistcoat, quilted linen, embrodiered with silk and metallic threads, 22 buttons from neck to hem. The side view shows the "smiley" pocket flap beautifully. Primary sources always help get the details correct... Sally Costume Calendar Series http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 6 21:23:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32501 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:23:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26740; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:38:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08973 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:36:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1103.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.123]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08966 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990907023600.16566.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.229.150.83] by web1103.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Sep 1999 19:36:00 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:36:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Carol Mitchell Subject: H-COST: re:cheap cotton solids To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carol Mitchell I don't know if they have these stores where you live, but I noticed Hobby Lobby was advertising 100% cotton broadcloth for $2.25 a yard, in many colors. They also have the usual patterns, if your local fabric store happens to be out of stock. Carol Mitchell === Carol Mitchell President Chicagoland Costumer's Guild __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 6 23:09:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32664 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:09:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08709; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:24:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19857 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:21:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from MailAndNews.com (mailandnews.com [206.156.199.130]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19852 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:21:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.6.194.47] (rvoris@mailandnews.com); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:19:23 -0400 X-WM-Posted-At: MailAndNews.com; Tue, 7 Sep 99 00:19:23 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990907002536.007d52d0@mailandnews.com> X-Sender: rvoris@mailandnews.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 00:25:36 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Rebecca Voris Subject: Re: H-COST: looking for cheap cotton solids In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990905211951.007b0ad0@mailandnews.com> References: <199908261509.JAA23731@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Rebecca Voris At 09:19 PM 9/5/99 -0400, I wrote a message in reply to someone I know who had asked on h-costume about cheap cotton. I distinctly recall checking the To: field, and seeing that the message was set to go to my friend. I seem to have neglected to check to CC: field, however, for I see it has ended up on the list. This would be all right, if somewhat confusing for non-locals, except I included: >3. Get it wholesale at American Quilting Supply in Pembroke (where the >Waytes get their fabric for the livery). Off-the-bolt solids are in the >$2-ish range, but you must buy at least 10 yards. Or you can buy a bag of >remnants, each one 5-11 yards, six to ten pieces in each bag, at $1.50/yd. >Tell them you're from the Barony of Carolingia. Since we've already bought >from them, you don't have to worry about the initial minimum purchase. This offer was intended for a private individual, not a general audience. First, I apologize for my clumsiness in not setting my fields correctly. Secondly, I apologize if I have confused or misled anyone. -- Rebecca Voris Boston, MA _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 02:17:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11643 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:17:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19458; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 01:32:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04715 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 01:29:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.rma.edu (IDENT:root@smtp.rma.edu [207.0.141.48]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04709 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 01:29:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from josephru (USR1-182.rmaonline.net [207.48.171.182]) by smtp.rma.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA01533 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:29:28 -0400 Message-ID: <002001bef902$1f9594a0$b6ab30cf@josephru> From: "Joseph & Christine" To: "Historic Costume List" Subject: H-COST: Fw: Brown donation cloth Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:23:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Joseph & Christine" Forwarded at the request of the author. Please respond to her directly. Thanks, Joseph Ruckman Christine L. Malson-Ruckman ----- Original Message ----- From: Cathy Johnson To: <18cWoman@onelist.com>; revlist Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 8:29 PM Subject: [Revlist] Brown donation cloth > From: graphicart@epsi.net (Cathy Johnson) > > Dear esteemed lists, > > Please pardon the cross-posting, but I know there are people on the > 18th C woman list that are not on RevList. There are a number of > references to "brown donation cloth" being, obviously, perhaps, donated > for trousers/breeches (?) for some of the Highland regiments after a > period of time in the war. Does anyone know what that might have been, > or what the modern equivalent might be? Linen, wool? Tow? Hemp? > Anyone?? > > Thanking you in advance... > > Regards, > Kate > graphicart@epsi.net > Graphics/Fine Arts Press > Journal of the Middle Waters Frontier > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > RevList - http://www.meridian.com/revlist/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 10:07:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29555 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:07:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21221; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:22:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11181 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:19:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11164 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:19:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990907151947.5915.rocketmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.247.217.34] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 08:19:47 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:19:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Toney Subject: H-COST: The History of Costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sarah Toney I just bought Carl Koehler (sp?)'s "History of Costume"... so far I like it, but can someone explain to me about the diagrams? What do the numbers stand for... I assume that they are measurements, but in what unit, etc? Please help? Sarah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 10:55:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29797 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:55:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29038; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:10:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24887 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:08:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from inet16.us.oracle.com (inet16.us.oracle.com [209.246.15.50]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24882 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:08:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from usmail04 (usmail04.us.oracle.com [144.25.88.96]) by inet16.us.oracle.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA29709 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us.oracle.com by usmail04 with ESMTP (SMI-8.6/37.9) id JAA27785; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:08:01 -0700 Message-ID: <37D53649.50595F5D@us.oracle.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:59:06 -0400 From: Elizabeth Jones Organization: Oracle Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Videos Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------21A2A588585EB759BD7E9146" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Elizabeth Jones This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------21A2A588585EB759BD7E9146 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Margo Anderson wrote: "Has anyone seen the corset and bodice making videos advertised on this page: http://www.augproductions.com" I have not seen the videos themselves. But judging from the pictures, I wonder about accuracy. Where are the shoulder straps on the Elizabethan corset? I have made corsets like the one pictured, but always felt they were more costume than proper clothing. Has anyone ever found documentation for a corset/pair of bodies with no straps in the 16th-17th century timeframe? Not too much extant, but before I condemned the picture for accuracy, I thought to doublecheck my own knowledge base! Thanks, Liz Jones ljones@us.oracle.com Maestra Damiana Illaria d'Onde --------------21A2A588585EB759BD7E9146 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ljones.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Elizabeth Jones Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ljones.vcf" begin:vcard n:;Elizabeth Jones x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr;dom;quoted-printable:;;Oracle Corporation =0D=0A100 Summit Lake Drive;Valhalla;NY;10595; org:Global Networks version:2.1 email;internet:ljones@us.oracle.com title:Senior Project Manager tel;fax:203-267-5856 tel;work:914-773-8169 x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Elizabeth Jones end:vcard --------------21A2A588585EB759BD7E9146-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 11:56:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29863 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:56:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10726; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:11:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12250 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:08:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12238 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:08:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gia-g (dialup347.serv.net [207.207.70.240]) by mx.serv.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA03834 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <009f01bef953$b2da3800$f046cfcf@gia-g> From: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Looking For Commentary on Arnold... Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:06:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" The Annotated Arnold, but of course can't find my copy. By (I think) Howard Trump. Drafting & Constructing a Simple Doublet & Trunkhose of the Spanish Renaissance is by RW Trump. I found my copy of that one. Gia/Giacinta -----Original Message----- From: lilinah@grin.net To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Monday, September 06, 1999 2:57 PM Subject: H-COST: Looking For Commentary on Arnold... > >-Poster: lilinah@grin.net > >A few weeks ago i finally saw a booklet i'd heard about. It was written by >a (former?) SCA member in the 1980's, IIRC, who criticized many of Arnold's >costume drafts. The book is based on his practical experience, he made >pieces by her directions then by his corrected method. The book includes >extensive commentary, photographs and diagrams. The title is escaping me at >the moment. > >I'd really like a copy. But it was one of those self-published, >plastic-spiral bound thingies sold at SCA events. The author lived in St. >Louis MO, i think. > >Any hints, clues, copies for sale, possible trades? > >Thanks > >Lilinah, SCA'ly known as Anahita > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 12:03:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29879 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:03:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11627; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13346 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:12:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13335 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:12:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gia-g (dialup347.serv.net [207.207.70.240]) by mx.serv.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA04347 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00a401bef954$32e39fa0$f046cfcf@gia-g> From: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Looking For Commentary on Arnold... Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:12:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" Ah! I wrote that I *thought* RW Trump did the Annotated Arnold, and in reading the Introduction in the "Drafting & ...etc" that he says he wrote it. BTW, the "Drafting & ...etc" is based upon the Tailors Pattern Book of Juan de Alcega. Gia/Giacinta _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 12:22:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29916 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:22:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14538; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:29:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18414 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:27:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deliverator.io.com (root@deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18407 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:27:33 -0600 (MDT) From: ches@io.com Received: from eris.io.com (IDENT:ches@eris.io.com [199.170.88.11]) by deliverator.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18477 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:27:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (ches@localhost) by eris.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA12562 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:27:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: eris.io.com: ches owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:27:31 -0500 (CDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: must have costume books In-Reply-To: <00a401bef954$32e39fa0$f046cfcf@gia-g> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: ches@io.com Could you all send me these titles with isbn numbers please? server hiccup again, lost your emails, sigh. :( Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 12:53:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29978 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:53:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20813; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:07:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27682 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:05:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27669 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:05:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p3.directcon.net [206.170.184.52]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19948 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909071804.LAA19948@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Videos Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson At 11:59 AM 09/07/1999 -0400, you wrote: >Margo Anderson wrote: > >"Has anyone seen the corset and bodice making videos advertised on this >page: > http://www.augproductions.com" > >I have not seen the videos themselves. But judging from the pictures, I >wonder about accuracy. Where are the shoulder straps on the Elizabethan >corset? I have made corsets like the one pictured, but always felt they >were more costume than proper clothing. Yes, I wondered about that too. the strapless corset seems to be based on the "Elizabethan costume book" whose writers, in a conversation some years ago, made no bones (pun intended) about the fact that they extrapolated backwards from the 18th century. I think it's very likely that Elizabethan corsets were probably along the lines of the one in Janet Arnold: basically, a heavily boned bodice. They are more comfortable and the look better, because the shoulder straps pull the breasts forward instead on flattening them into the underarm, and the full back maintains a smoother line, rather than the upper back bulge that a strapless corset can give. What I really don't understand are the strange tab/extensions at the waist, with square cutouts between them. Aren't they too widely spaced to perform the usual function of tabs, i.e., transferring the pressure of the bones from the waist to the hips? And wouldn't hips with any excess fleash at all bulge out from between them in a really ugly and uncomfortable way? The bodice also seems to be cut much too long along the side seams, and the pink satin ribbon trim doesn't impress me, either. Margo Anderson "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 13:16:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30012 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:16:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24674; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:31:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03239 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:28:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from Mail.austin.rr.com (sm2.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.55]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03232 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:28:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PENNY ([24.93.63.192]) by Mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:22:59 -0500 From: rio@austin.rr.com (StrangeGirl) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Videos Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:21:29 GMT Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <37d8563e.130325681@smtp-server.austin.rr.com> References: <199909071804.LAA19948@zeus.directcon.net> In-Reply-To: <199909071804.LAA19948@zeus.directcon.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id MAA03233 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: rio@austin.rr.com (StrangeGirl) Well, I did some poking about on the site, and they are shown as having a 'Partners or vendors' relationship with AlterYears. Going to the AlterYears website further leads me to beleive that these are video demos of the construction of the AlterYears bodice and corset patterns/kits. THey are probably a side business from AlterYears, as thay have no other products. Margery "Do you have any files?" "We're the government, of course we have files." Millenium {*to reply take spambegone from my reply-to address*} _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 13:20:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30018 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:20:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24812; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:31:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03610 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:29:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03588 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:29:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mamabear from [207.13.31.71] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.405) with smtp for sender: id ; Tue, 7 Sep 99 13:29:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007e01bef95e$88dd5040$0200a8c0@mamabear.stormypetrel.com> From: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Videos Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:26:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" Actually this is the corset you can order from Alter Years. Which if you go to their vendors and partners link you will find there. So that is where they got it I suspect. Carol Ross >Yes, I wondered about that too. the strapless corset seems to be based on >the "Elizabethan costume book" whose writers, in a conversation some years >ago, made no bones (pun intended) about the fact that they extrapolated >backwards from the 18th century. > > I think it's very likely that Elizabethan corsets were probably along the >lines of the one in Janet Arnold: basically, a heavily boned bodice. They >are more comfortable and the look better, because the shoulder straps pull >the breasts forward instead on flattening them into the underarm, and the >full back maintains a smoother line, rather than the upper back bulge that a >strapless corset can give. > >What I really don't understand are the strange tab/extensions at the waist, >with square cutouts between them. Aren't they too widely spaced to perform >the usual function of tabs, i.e., transferring the pressure of the bones >from the waist to the hips? And wouldn't hips with any excess fleash at all >bulge out from between them in a really ugly and uncomfortable way? > >The bodice also seems to be cut much too long along the side seams, and the >pink satin ribbon trim doesn't impress me, either. > >Margo Anderson > >"One Tough Costumer" >http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 14:32:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30151 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:32:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06652; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:43:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18687 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:40:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deliverator.io.com (root@deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18671 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:40:41 -0600 (MDT) From: ches@io.com Received: from eris.io.com (IDENT:ches@eris.io.com [199.170.88.11]) by deliverator.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11615 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:40:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (ches@localhost) by eris.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18822 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:40:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: eris.io.com: ches owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:40:39 -0500 (CDT) To: Multiple recipients of list H-COSTUME Subject: H-COST: victorian manners book Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: ches@io.com Can anyone recommend a book that not out of print that teaches young girls about victorian manners? Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 15:03:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30250 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:03:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12438; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:17:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27180 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:15:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snip.net (mail.snip.net [209.204.64.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27169 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ouppc [209.204.81.91] by snip.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A14E16F70148; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:10:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bef96d$a8cb4d80$5b51ccd1@ouppc> From: "Vince Lyons" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: victorian manners book Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:14:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Vince Lyons" ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 3:40 PM > -Poster: ches@io.com > > Can anyone recommend a book that not out of print that teaches young girls > about victorian manners? > > Sincerely, > F. Havas > While not specifically for children "The Essential Handbook of Victorian Etiquette" by Thomas Hill is a decent guide to the manners and mores of the time but if you're looking for something more fun and appealing to a little one (about ages 6 - 10 or so) "What Do You Say, Dear?" and "What Do You Do, Dear" by Sesyle Joslin, with illustrations by Maurice Sendak, are absolutely adorable. They're not "Victorian" per se, but they manage to include most of the proper behaviours of the time. Hope these help! Kerrie :-D _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 15:20:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30270 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:20:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15544; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:35:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01467 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:33:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01454 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29528 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-125.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.125]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01670 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <009001bef971$1a0af920$80a7fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: victorian manners book Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:39:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" I saw a cute book. It was small and inexpensive. (only 10 dollars or so) I think it was called, "The Essential Guide to Victorian Etiquette." It was supposed to have been highlights of a book printed back then. Michelle -----Original Message----- From: ches@io.com To: Multiple recipients of list H-COSTUME Date: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 12:43 PM Subject: H-COST: victorian manners book > >-Poster: ches@io.com > >Can anyone recommend a book that not out of print that teaches young girls >about victorian manners? > >Sincerely, >F. Havas >ches@io.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 15:24:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30289 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:24:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16064; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:38:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02067 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:36:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snip.net (mail.snip.net [209.204.64.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02057 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:36:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ouppc [209.204.81.91] by snip.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A62F1B1A00EA; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:31:43 -0400 Message-ID: <001201bef970$9164ac60$5b51ccd1@ouppc> From: "Vince Lyons" To: References: <000b01bef96d$a8cb4d80$5b51ccd1@ouppc> Subject: Re: H-COST: victorian manners book Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:35:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Vince Lyons" Oops! Please forgive the multiple messages here. After I hit 'send' I realised that I should have mentioned one caveat in my endorsement of "What Do You Say, Dear?". The book was originally published sometime in the 1950's when "Cowboys and Indians" was a common childhood game and toy guns didn't carry the deadly implications that they do in these sad modern times. The manners are introduced to children through Sendak's fanciful drawings of imaginative situations in which a child might find herself. Most are charmingly silly, but I do recall one that bothered me enough to omit it when I read the book to my little boy. In it a "wild west" bad guy questions the child with "Would you like me to blow a hole in your head?" Much too graphic for me I'm afraid. Luckily I don't remember any similar offenses in the sequel book, or any more than that one in the original. Off again! Kerrie ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 4:14 PM > -Poster: "Vince Lyons" > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 3:40 PM > > -Poster: ches@io.com > > > > Can anyone recommend a book that not out of print that teaches young girls > > about victorian manners? > > > > Sincerely, > > F. Havas > > > > While not specifically for children "The Essential Handbook of Victorian > Etiquette" by Thomas Hill is a decent guide to the manners and mores of the > time but if you're looking for something more fun and appealing to a little > one (about ages 6 - 10 or so) "What Do You Say, Dear?" and "What Do You Do, > Dear" by Sesyle Joslin, with illustrations by Maurice Sendak, are absolutely > adorable. They're not "Victorian" per se, but they manage to include most > of the proper behaviours of the time. > > Hope these help! > Kerrie :-D > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 15:32:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30309 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:32:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17611; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:47:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04086 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:44:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04067 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:44:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11OS6f-0006da-0B for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:44:46 +0000 Message-ID: <+89bADA7jX13IwB2@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:43:39 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: H-COST: victorian manners book In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Jean Waddie I have one which is for women and girls of marriagable age, rather than young girls, but might help It's a reproduction of "Manners for women" by Mrs Humphry, a general manual for women, not only what we think of as manners, but also what to wear, how to arrange a dinner party, etiquette when bicycling, how to laugh prettily, all those things you need to know. It is very late 19th century, but it is just Victorian - there are various references to the Queen, and the menu from the Duchess of York's wedding breakfast, so maybe you can date it from that. This is produced by Pryor Publications, specialist in facsimile reproductions. ISBN 0 946014 71 5. The publishers are at: 75 Dargate Road, Yorkletts, Whitstable, Kent, England, tel & fax +44 227 274655 Jean In message , ches@io.com writes > >-Poster: ches@io.com > >Can anyone recommend a book that not out of print that teaches young girls >about victorian manners? > >Sincerely, >F. Havas >ches@io.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Jean Waddie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 15:53:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30366 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:53:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20623; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:07:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09094 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:04:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09079 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13161 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-125.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.125]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22705 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <012f01bef975$7cc30cc0$80a7fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: "costume list" Subject: H-COST: Eleonora of Toledo Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:10:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012C_01BEF93A.CF793880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012C_01BEF93A.CF793880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.southern.com/wm/paint/auth/bronzino/eleonora.jpg This dress was a topic of conversation a couple weeks ago on the = SCA-Garb list. I asked the list what they thought of the child's = clothing at her right. I got no response. I then forwarded the message = to H-Cost. I got no response. (Probably because of my wacky email = server...) I thought I would try again. The child seems to be wearing a simple = tunic over a fancier edged chemise. What does everyone think of that? As parents we may be working to hard to dress out kids. If someone = higher born is wearing a tunic, why don't more of us dress our kids this = way? It would be a lot easier to accumulate a few things for them to = wear if it was something easier to make.=20 MIchelle ------=_NextPart_000_012C_01BEF93A.CF793880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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   This dress was a topic = of=20 conversation a couple weeks ago on the SCA-Garb list.  I asked the = list=20 what they thought of the child's clothing at her right.  I got no=20 response.  I then forwarded the message to H-Cost.  I got no=20 response.  (Probably because = of my wacky=20 email server...)
    I thought I would = try=20 again.  The child seems to be wearing a simple tunic over a fancier = edged=20 chemise.  What does everyone think of that?
    As parents we may = be working=20 to hard to dress out kids.  If someone higher born is wearing a = tunic, why=20 don't more of us dress our kids this way?  It would be a lot easier = to=20 accumulate a few things for them to wear if it was something easier to = make.=20
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------=_NextPart_000_012C_01BEF93A.CF793880-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 15:55:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30373 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:55:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21070; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:10:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09957 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:07:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09937 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:07:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14485 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-125.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.125]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24910 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <015201bef975$f66a3d00$80a7fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: "costume list" Subject: H-COST: Fw: Re: Eleonora di Toledo Gown Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:14:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" Here is what I forwarded before...is it formiliar to anyone? I am wondering to what extent my email service has failed. -----Original Message----- From: Michelle To: SCA-GARB@LIST.UVM.EDU Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 4:45 PM Subject: Re: Eleonora di Toledo Gown >>snip >>> This winter I'm hoping to make either a direct "replica" or a gown >>> "inspired" by the gown worn by Eleonora da Toledo, Grand Duchess of >>> Tuscany by Bronzino circa 1540s - the portrait can be seen at: >>> http://www.southern.com/wm/paint/auth/bronzino/eleonora.jpg > > > > >The child in the picture with Eleonora of Toledo looks to be wearing a >simple T tunic and chemise with ruffled collar and neck. (almost looks like >a polo shirt! ;) ) I wanted to see what everyone thought of this. I have >learned fairly recently that children, of either sex, wore gowns like young >ladies until they were of potty training age. The pictures that I have seen >all apeared to be more elaborate and more fitted than this. > As fast as these kids grow, we could be doing ourselfs in, by trying to >keep up with the new costumes. It would be far easier to have some of these >and maybe one elaborate. With the blend of Engish and Spanish dress, such >as the partlet, I would think that we would see more of this type of dress. > Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 16:04:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30389 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:04:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22553; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:18:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12313 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:16:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12307 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA18638 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-125.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.125]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01028 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <019301bef977$2d331720$80a7fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Wow! Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:23:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" Ahhh, shucks! Auction is ended but, it never met the reserve. I had heard that one of the only costuming rental places here in town (Fresno, CA) has gone out of business. I wonder if their stuff will end up on E Bay too. > >-Poster: Sarah Toney > >I just have to share my awe and jealousy for a >moment... here I am... supposed to be working, but I >am playing on e-Bay instead... and I come across a >company selling their entire costume collection... >now, it is $200,000 and takes 3500 square feet of >space, but I thought ya'll might just get the >amusement out of looking that I did... > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=153740240 > >Sarah > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 16:06:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30397 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:06:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23145; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13174 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:19:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13148 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:19:47 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6TYFYYwmd_ (3996) for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f487142.2506db51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:19:13 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: victorian manners book To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 09/07/1999 4:37:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vjlyons@snip.net writes: << n it a "wild west" bad guy questions the child with "Would you like me to blow a hole in your head?" >> Of course the proper Victorian reply is: "Oh my goodness no! [curtsey] But thank you very much for asking." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 16:08:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30401 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:08:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23543; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:23:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13611 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:21:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deliverator.io.com (root@deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13588 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:21:30 -0600 (MDT) From: ches@io.com Received: from eris.io.com (IDENT:ches@eris.io.com [199.170.88.11]) by deliverator.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22903 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:21:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (ches@localhost) by eris.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24151 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:21:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: eris.io.com: ches owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:21:26 -0500 (CDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Wow! In-Reply-To: <019301bef977$2d331720$80a7fea9@gunsafes> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: ches@io.com Actually, they are selling the costumes off one at a time from their website. The Juliet costum for example is going for 250.00, I asked for elizabethan underpinnings but they either did not understand the question or they do not have any. Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, Michelle wrote: > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:23:05 -0700 > From: Michelle > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: Wow! > > > -Poster: "Michelle" > > Ahhh, shucks! Auction is ended but, it never met the reserve. > I had heard that one of the only costuming rental places here in town > (Fresno, CA) has gone out of business. I wonder if their stuff will end up > on E Bay too. > > > > >-Poster: Sarah Toney > > > >I just have to share my awe and jealousy for a > >moment... here I am... supposed to be working, but I > >am playing on e-Bay instead... and I come across a > >company selling their entire costume collection... > >now, it is $200,000 and takes 3500 square feet of > >space, but I thought ya'll might just get the > >amusement out of looking that I did... > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=153740240 > > > >Sarah > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 16:15:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30451 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:15:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24280; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:29:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14995 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:27:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailhost.neaccess.net (mailhost.neaccess.net [204.255.214.236]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14979 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dkenton (camb0410.capecod.net [209.244.245.156]) by mailhost.neaccess.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id RAA08956 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:27:18 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990907172645.00d072bc@neaccess.net> X-Sender: kenton@neaccess.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 17:26:45 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Donna Kenton Subject: Re: H-COST: victorian manners book In-Reply-To: <1f487142.2506db51@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Donna Kenton ><< n it a "wild west" bad guy questions the child with > "Would you like me to blow a hole in your head?" >> > >Of course the proper Victorian reply is: > >"Oh my goodness no! [curtsey] But thank you very much for asking." <::snort::> Not fair! Now I have to wipe Diet Pepsi off my monitor! Donna __________________________________________________ Visit my web page! http://www.dabbler.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 16:49:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30534 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:49:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29749; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:03:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23172 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:59:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from spamgaac.compuserve.com (as-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.217.146]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23049; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:59:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.5) id RAA21881; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:58:58 -0400 From: Margaret Bolger Subject: H-COST: UK - Antique Costume & Textiles Fair To: all Cc: all , all , all , all Message-ID: <199909071759_MC2-83E2-EC0E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id PAA23057 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margaret Bolger Hello all Just to let you know that my next 'Antique Costume & Textiles Fair' is fast approaching - Sunday 19th September in Manchester UK. Once again, the Fair is 'sold out', with nearly 80 dealers from all over the UK, and some from France and Belgium. Bonhams auctioneers will be giving free textile valuations, and Pat Earnshaw will be giving free lace valuations. The Fan Circle International, Slipknot Guild and the Knitting & Crochet Guild will also have information stands. Once again - if you can't make it to the Fair, let me know if there is anything you would like me to look for on your behalf. If you are planning to be there - don't forget to stop and say hello! Margaret antique costume & textiles http://www.artizania.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 18:06:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30638 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:06:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11023; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:19:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10732 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:14:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from komarr.local.thibault.org (adsl-151-197-16-76.bellatlantic.net [151.197.16.76]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10723 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:14:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thibault.org (weatherwax.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.16]) by komarr.local.thibault.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21404 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:13:58 -0400 Message-ID: <37D59C37.F80AAC08@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 19:14:21 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue Organization: Virtue Ventures http://www.virtue.to X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Eleonora of Toledo/child References: <012f01bef975$7cc30cc0$80a7fea9@gunsafes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Cynthia Virtue > I thought I would try again. The child seems to be wearing a > simple tunic over a fancier edged chemise. What does everyone think > of that? I'm not so certain it's a tunic, although this is not my period. Next to his hanging hand, the color of the surrounding area changes. If the kid had on a loosely fitted doublet over lighter pants, it would explain the color change. However, I think drawing conclusions from this picture might be difficult. The artist's attention was clearly on Eleonara and her dress; the child is possibly a symbolic prop "look how motherly she is" and in any case, it's not too surprising that the minute details of his costume were not all drawn in (aside from those blackwork edges, which set off his face and hands.) cv _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 18:21:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30653 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:21:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13255; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:33:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13439 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:28:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from phantom.golden.net (phantom.golden.net [199.166.210.30]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13430 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:28:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.183.134.40] (AS52-31-40.cas-kit.golden.net [209.183.134.40]) by phantom.golden.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20981 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:28:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: lgsteph@pop.golden.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gary Stephens Subject: H-COST: 18thc waistcoats - Harriet's reply Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Gary Stephens Many thanks to all of you for the information. I thought you might be interested to hear what the pattern-maker herself had to say on the subject. My bits are in brackets. --------------------------------------------------------------------- (In your cutting and sewing instructions it would appear you mean for the pockets to either be patch pockets, or to be self lined. If it's the former, I can find no documentation to support patch pockets. If it's the latter, the hand sewing will likely show very slightly on the outside, or is that not a problem?) Re: Pockets. My mistake; the pattern should read: (Cut 4). The inside of the pocket opening is reinforced w/ linen, the opening cut & pockets attached to the opening/flat edge of pocket. The pockets hang, once the 2 halves are sewn around. Then the flap is sewn on the outside. I have always lined my waistcoats, so they were never seen. **You could cut the pocket on a fold/top edge and then sew around the opening like a bound buttonhole or an 18th C. vest. Not as authentic, though-just a shortcut. (My other difficulty is the side seams. There is a small extension on the lower part of the side seam which would lead one to believe this is perhaps for a minuscule box pleat. Is this so, did you intend for it to be larger, as at the moment it isn't much of a box pleat.) This a small one-way pleat w/vent; since on this version there wasn't any back vent or pleat. (As well, I had always been under the assumption, likely mistakenly, this style of waistcoat had a back vent. Once more it seems all historical drawings and photos available to me show the front, but not the sides or backs. Argh. Is this something you would know?) I have found another original that has side & a back opening. No pleats etc., just a slash. So, it's really what you're reproducing, as to how you finish it. Early in the century; more full pleats w/openings. Mid century; less openings & just plain slashes & that evolved into a combination of the small pleat with or without all 3 openings. As with all styles, they come & go & then reappear in a new form. It's up to you to determine which is best for the article you're making. --------------------------------------------------- Lorina Stephens -------------------------------------- Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, period furniture & fine hand-sewn garments ~ e-mail: lgsteph@golden.net ~ website: http://www.historicmerchants.com/fiverivers _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 18:49:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30736 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:49:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18049; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:03:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19042 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:00:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snip.net (mail.snip.net [209.204.64.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19024 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ouppc [209.204.81.205] by snip.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A5F518D30148; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 19:55:33 -0400 Message-ID: <003801bef98d$0b73dc80$cd51ccd1@ouppc> From: "Vince Lyons" To: References: <1f487142.2506db51@aol.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: victorian manners book Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:59:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Vince Lyons" ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 5:19 PM > > -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > > In a message dated 09/07/1999 4:37:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > vjlyons@snip.net writes: > > << n it a "wild west" bad guy questions the child with > "Would you like me to blow a hole in your head?" >> > > Of course the proper Victorian reply is: > > "Oh my goodness no! [curtsey] But thank you very much for asking." > Actually...... that's quite close to the suggested reply in the book. ;-) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 19:10:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30769 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:10:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20555; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22605 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:20:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22593 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:20:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p42.directcon.net [206.170.184.141]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA04832 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909080018.RAA04832@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Eleonora of Toledo/child Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson At 07:14 PM 09/07/1999 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: Cynthia Virtue > > >> I thought I would try again. The child seems to be wearing a >> simple tunic over a fancier edged chemise. What does everyone think >> of that? > >I'm not so certain it's a tunic, although this is not my period. > >Next to his hanging hand, the color of the surrounding area changes. If >the kid had on a loosely fitted doublet over lighter pants, it would >explain the color change. I think it's more likely, given his apparent age, that it's a long coat-like garment. Boys were generally not breeched until five years old. For unbreeched boys, I generally go either with just a chemise, decorated or not as station requires, or with a chemise with a long coat/robe over it for more warmth or formality. Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 19:14:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30786 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:14:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20912; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:28:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20548 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:09:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20536 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:08:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.167.66.66] (sdts10-43.znet.net [207.167.66.43]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id RAA12840 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <012f01bef975$7cc30cc0$80a7fea9@gunsafes> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:05:57 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: H-COST: Children's costume Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Julie Adams > http://www.southern.com/wm/paint/auth/bronzino/eleonora.jpg > This dress was a topic of conversation a couple weeks ago on the >SCA-Garb list. I asked the list what they thought of the child's >clothing at her right. I got no response. I then forwarded the message >to H-Cost. I got no response. (Probably because of my wacky email >server...) I thought I would try again. The child seems to be >wearing a simple tunic over a fancier edged chemise. What does everyone >think of that? Michelle, It is really hard to see the details of the child's costume from that portrait, but from my research on small children's clothing, it is more typical that children are wearing loose fitting robelike clothing in the 16th c. Based on some Durer and other artists drawings of the time, there are plenty of examples that show people dressed up for church, court and special occasions, while normally dressing in much more functional clothing. I believe this is true for children as well. There are a number of German 16th c examples of children in short gowns (short white chemises) with loose wrap around gowns, waffenrocks, and tunics over the top. Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 19:23:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30803 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:23:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22276; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24538 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:33:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from eclipse.pacifier.com (eclipse.pacifier.com [199.2.117.78]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24528 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:33:25 -0600 (MDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by eclipse.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.3pop) id RAA12801 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909080033.RAA12801@eclipse.pacifier.com> Received: from ip99.van21.pacifier.com(216.65.138.99), claiming to be "grendal2" via SMTP by smtp.pacifier.com, id smtpdCAAbcaW2y; Tue Sep 7 17:33:20 1999 Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:37:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Looking For Commentary on Arnold... Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > A few weeks ago i finally saw a booklet i'd heard about. It was written by > a (former?) SCA member in the 1980's, IIRC, who criticized many of Arnold's > costume drafts. The book is based on his practical experience, he made > pieces by her directions then by his corrected method. The book includes > extensive commentary, photographs and diagrams. The title is escaping me at > the moment. > > I'd really like a copy. But it was one of those self-published, > plastic-spiral bound thingies sold at SCA events. The author lived in St. > Louis MO, i think. It's not in print. It's called The Annotated Arnold by Robert Trump, aka Robert Sartor von Paybas (RSVP). He is one of the top costumers at the St. Louis Opera. He didn't do it originally as a "criticism", so much as a way of making the book more useful. (That is until Ms. Arnold blasted him after he had sent her a courtesy copy.) As to getting a copy of it, good luck. You'll probably have to keep an eye out or be very lucky with a friend. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 19:24:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30807 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:24:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22273; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24544 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:33:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from eclipse.pacifier.com (eclipse.pacifier.com [199.2.117.78]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24536 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:33:27 -0600 (MDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by eclipse.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.3pop) id RAA12812 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909080033.RAA12812@eclipse.pacifier.com> Received: from ip99.van21.pacifier.com(216.65.138.99), claiming to be "grendal2" via SMTP by smtp.pacifier.com, id smtpdBAAacaW2y; Tue Sep 7 17:33:18 1999 Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:37:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Looking For Commentary on Arnold... Priority: normal In-reply-to: <009f01bef953$b2da3800$f046cfcf@gia-g> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > From: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" > To: > Subject: Re: H-COST: Looking For Commentary on Arnold... > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:06:37 -0700 > Reply-to: h-costume@indra.com > > -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" > > The Annotated Arnold, but of course can't find my copy. By (I think) > Howard Trump. > Drafting & Constructing a Simple Doublet & Trunkhose of the Spanish > Renaissance is by RW Trump. I found my copy of that one. > > Gia/Giacinta > -----Original Message----- > From: lilinah@grin.net > To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Monday, September 06, 1999 2:57 PM > Subject: H-COST: Looking For Commentary on Arnold... > > > > > >-Poster: lilinah@grin.net > > > >A few weeks ago i finally saw a booklet i'd heard about. It was written by > >a (former?) SCA member in the 1980's, IIRC, who criticized many of Arnold's > >costume drafts. The book is based on his practical experience, he made > >pieces by her directions then by his corrected method. The book includes > >extensive commentary, photographs and diagrams. The title is escaping me at > >the moment. > > > >I'd really like a copy. But it was one of those self-published, > >plastic-spiral bound thingies sold at SCA events. The author lived in St. > >Louis MO, i think. > > > >Any hints, clues, copies for sale, possible trades? > > > >Thanks > > > >Lilinah, SCA'ly known as Anahita > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 20:16:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30869 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:16:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27388; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02556 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:27:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02548 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:27:13 -0600 (MDT) From: CONNECT@aol.com Received: from CONNECT@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6UJUa22962 (4227) for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:26:19 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Eleonora of Toledo To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: CONNECT@aol.com In a message dated 9/7/1999 5:07:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mandrake@mypad.com writes: << The child seems to be wearing a simple tunic over a fancier edged chemise. What does everyone think of that? >> My viewing of the visual clues leads me to conclude it is not a tunic at all. My speculation is that the child is wearing either a doublet with poofy sort of pants, or a gown just like the adult is wearing. It would depend on what sex the child is which would apply. If I'm not mistaken, this hangs in the Detroit Institute of Art, as I seem to recall seeing in on a wall there. Yours, Pattie Rayl _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 20:56:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30914 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:56:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01233; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:11:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08753 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:09:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08745 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:09:04 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6DSRa05159 (4186) for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394925a2.25071f1f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:08:31 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: 18thc waistcoats - Harriet's reply To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 09/07/1999 7:32:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lgsteph@golden.net writes: << **You could cut the pocket on a fold/top edge and then sew around the opening like a bound buttonhole or an 18th C. vest. Not as authentic, though-just a shortcut. >> If you cut the pocket on the fold, why do you then have to buttonhole stitch the opening? Can one not match up the place where the mouth should be on the folded pocket to where the pocket mouth should be on the fronts, sew them right sides together, then cut open the mouth and turn the whole to-be-folded pocket to the inside...THEN fold & stitch the pocket bag? Or have I missed something? Did they not do this in the 18th century? Is this a sewing machine technique? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 21:17:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30980 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:17:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03518; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:31:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11868 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:28:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from relay4.hawaii.edu (relay4.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.12]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11847 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:28:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from uhunix1.its.hawaii.edu ([128.171.44.6]) by relay4.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <373757(1)>; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:28:36 -1000 Received: from localhost by uhunix1.its.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <135745(6)>; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:28:27 -1000 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:28:20 -1000 From: X-Sender: lisaleon@uhunix1 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/Elizabethan corsets In-Reply-To: <199909071804.LAA19948@zeus.directcon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: > I think it's very likely that Elizabethan corsets were probably along the > lines of the one in Janet Arnold: basically, a heavily boned bodice. They > are more comfortable and the look better, because the shoulder straps pull > the breasts forward instead on flattening them into the underarm, and the > full back maintains a smoother line, rather than the upper back bulge that a > strapless corset can give. This addresses the exact thing I'm currently trying to figure out. How do you keep the shoulder straps hidden when the neckline of the gown is very wide? I'm thinking about gowns such as the coral colored Tudor worn by Elizabeth when she was a teen aged princess or the one in the Pelican portrait. When the top edge of the bodice stretches almost from armpit to armpit was a strapless corset worn? In those portraits, the breasts do look more flattened than pulled forward. lisa _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 21:51:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31037 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:51:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08379; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:06:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16813 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:03:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f52.hotmail.com [207.82.250.63]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA16805 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:03:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 28685 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 1999 03:03:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19990908030324.28684.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.156.3.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:03:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.156.3.120] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 18thc waistcoats - Harriet's reply Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:03:23 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" >-Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com > >In a message dated 09/07/1999 7:32:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >lgsteph@golden.net writes: > ><< **You could cut the pocket on > a fold/top edge and then sew around the opening like a bound buttonhole >or > an 18th C. vest. Not as authentic, though-just a shortcut. >> > >If you cut the pocket on the fold, why do you then have to buttonhole >stitch >the opening? Can one not match up the place where the mouth should be on >the >folded pocket to where the pocket mouth should be on the fronts, sew them >right sides together, then cut open the mouth and turn the whole >to-be-folded >pocket to the inside...THEN fold & stitch the pocket bag? > >Or have I missed something? Did they not do this in the 18th century? Is >this >a sewing machine technique? Now I'm getting confused. Our method, for each pocket, is to cut two half-moon-shaped pieces, but deeper than a real half-moon. Not more than about 4" deep, though, for an average waistcoat pocket. The top curve is less deep than the bottom curve, of course. Looks something like the Cheshire cat's (or Garfield's) smile, but broader. Stitch these two pieces together around the bottom curve, and you have a little bag. Now, fold the top edges away from one another, about 1/4" to 3/8" (depending on how easily your fabric ravels & how thick it is), so you have a little bag with the top edges folded outwards. Press them with your fingernails. Slit the place on the waistcoat, from the outside, where your pocket will be. It may be placed underneath an existing pocket flap, or you may sew one over it later. Now, carefully push the edges of the slit to the inside, again pressing with your fingernails to make a crease. If it's wool, you'll have to iron it or hold it carefully as you sew. But, now it is very easy to slip the little pocket bag inside this slit, and handsew with tiny whipped stitches all around, enclosing the two folded edges against one another, inside (bag) to outside (slit body shell fabric). Voila! You've made an 18th c. pocket worthy of a museum piece. This is the method we observed on two originals: one in Charleston, SC and the other in the Museum of the Connecticut Historical Society. So it may or may not have been universal... it is not exactly what we moderns think of as a "bound" pocket mouth, being that the edges are bound to each other, and not covered with a "binding". The edges of the inside pocket bag may or may not show, depending on whether you press them to the complete inside of the pocket slit, or leave some of it to the outside. One of the originals was carelessly folded along one edge, probably from having a hand put into it from time to time, so that part of the mouth hung inside (more to the center) and the ends showed about 1/4" of the pocket bag fabric, looking almost like a "bound" pocket mouth. Just my 2c worth. Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 7 22:54:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31213 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:54:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16348; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:09:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26354 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:06:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26342 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:06:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p13.directcon.net [206.170.184.112]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA04277 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909080405.VAA04277@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/Elizabethan corsets Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson At 04:28 PM 09/07/1999 -1000, you wrote: > >-Poster: > >> I think it's very likely that Elizabethan corsets were probably along the >> lines of the one in Janet Arnold: basically, a heavily boned bodice. They >> are more comfortable and the look better, because the shoulder straps pull >> the breasts forward instead on flattening them into the underarm, and the >> full back maintains a smoother line, rather than the upper back bulge that a >> strapless corset can give. > > This addresses the exact thing I'm currently trying to figure out. >How do you keep the shoulder straps hidden when the neckline of the gown >is very wide? By cutting the corset straps the same way, and probably a fraction narrower than the strap covering them. Comparably, some bras meant for wearing with wide or plunging necklines, such as Frederick's of Hollywood's "Cadillac" bra, have the straps set to sit at the very outer edges of the shoulders: right where an armhole seam goes, as a matter of fact. Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 00:11:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31360 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:11:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24203; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:26:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06361 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:22:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail-gw6.pacbell.net (mail-gw6.pacbell.net [206.13.28.41]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06341 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:22:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-69-232.irvn11.pacbell.net [206.170.69.232]) by mail-gw6.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05828; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D58FFA.32ECA2F0@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 22:21:52 +0000 From: Dietmar Organization: Completely Disorganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com CC: SarahToney Subject: H-COST: Re: The History of Costume References: <19990907151947.5915.rocketmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, Sarah asked: > I just bought Carl Koehler (sp?)'s "History of Costume"... so far I like it, > but can someone explain to me about the diagrams? What do the numbers stand > for... I assume that they are measurements, but in what unit, etc? Please > help? They are measurements made in centimeters. (Not surprising as Koehler was German.) If you divide them by 2.5 (or multiply by 5 and divide by 2) you will get a good approximation of the measurement in inches. I've made up one of the garments this way and it worked wonderfully. Good luck, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 00:25:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31369 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:25:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25023; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:40:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08046 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:36:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08036 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:36:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip203-86.cc.interlog.com [207.34.203.86]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA05629 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990908012101.009b5300@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 01:21:01 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: Videos In-Reply-To: <37D53649.50595F5D@us.oracle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, >Where are the shoulder straps on the Elizabethan corset? I have made >corsets like the one pictured, but always felt they were more costume >than proper clothing. Has anyone ever found documentation for a >corset/pair of bodies with no straps in the 16th-17th century timeframe? >Not too much extant, but before I condemned the picture for accuracy, I >thought to doublecheck my own knowledge base! Never. I've never seen strapless bodices either since the "corset" was essential a boned bodice for 16th century England. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 00:25:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31373 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:25:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25012; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:40:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08057 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:36:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08051 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:36:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip203-86.cc.interlog.com [207.34.203.86]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA05640 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990908013657.009b5300@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 01:36:57 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/Elizabethan corsets In-Reply-To: References: <199909071804.LAA19948@zeus.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings > > This addresses the exact thing I'm currently trying to figure out. >How do you keep the shoulder straps hidden when the neckline of the gown >is very wide? I'm thinking about gowns such as the coral colored Tudor >worn by Elizabeth when she was a teen aged princess or the one in the >Pelican portrait. When the top edge of the bodice stretches almost from >armpit to armpit was a strapless corset worn? In those portraits, the >breasts do look more flattened than pulled forward. Actually, I seem to remember a post on H-Cost which suggested attaching the sleeve to the neckline edge of the strap thereby hiding said strap. Has anyone actually tried this? Also, with some of them I think it's a case of the stap being hidden by the billament. Besides which, there doesn't appear to be much evidence for a "corset" like garment until the second half of the 16th century. At that stage I believe they were still stiffening bodices with buckrahm. Just my two cents worth. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 07:03:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28232 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:03:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12120; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 06:18:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04789 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 06:14:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04778 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 06:14:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA05039 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:14:20 -0400 (EDT) From: GreyGoose To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/Elizabethan corsets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: GreyGoose Wow! A post I can actually contribute something to . Unlurking with a vengance. I reproduced this gown for my daughter for CostumeCon (mumble- too lazy to go look it up and the ol' brain cells are pretty sluggish this am). There was absolutely no way I could have put straps on her corset. It was partially designed to overcome the difficulty of my daughter being terribly short-waisted while the portrait shows Elizabeth as being somewhat long-waisted. It also had to perform some 'flattening' to achieve the same silhouette - since she had developed more than anticipated by the time she was 14/15 (similar to Elizabeth's age at the time of the portrait - about 13). It turned out pretty nicely, even if I do say to myself, but the shoulders of the gown were held up by a combination of fortuitous fitting and force of will. Fit was everything for this gown, and straps on the corset were not a part of the plan. I believe there may be a picture of this on the web somewhere - She was with the son of a friend of mine who was dressed as Prince Edward - and they went as The Children of Henry VIII. Since my experiment held up beautifully, even under a classic teen-aged sprawl on the ground (she got tired and bored waiting for her turn to practice on the stage), I would believe that strappless corsets were 'what was done'. Respectfully Joanna Dionne ggoose@radix.net On Tue, 7 Sep 1999 lisaleon@hawaii.edu wrote: > This addresses the exact thing I'm currently trying to figure out. > How do you keep the shoulder straps hidden when the neckline of the gown > is very wide? I'm thinking about gowns such as the coral colored Tudor > worn by Elizabeth when she was a teen aged princess or the one in the > Pelican portrait. When the top edge of the bodice stretches almost from > armpit to armpit was a strapless corset worn? In those portraits, the > breasts do look more flattened than pulled forward. > > lisa > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 09:22:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28402 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:22:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24141; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:37:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26146 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:35:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26128; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909081435.IAA26128@net.indra.com> From: "Wilson, Brad" To: "'H-COST'" Subject: H-COST: "The Annotated Arnold" by Robert Trump Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Wilson, Brad" Does anyone know where I can get a copy of "The Annotated Arnold" by Robert Trump ? I cannot find it on amazon or Barnes & Noble.... Brad Wilson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 09:24:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28406 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:24:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24439; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:38:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26519 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:36:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26507; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:36:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:36:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909081436.IAA26507@net.indra.com> From: SAQUEEN@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com Hi, All, I received a question concerning cotton or kid gloves. Susan wants them for regency period dress. Can anyone help her with where to purchase. Please email her directly at srichards@foleylaw.com. Thanks in advance for your help, Sally Queen Costume Calendar Series http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 11:28:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28536 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:28:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13200; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:43:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00461 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:39:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00455; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909081639.KAA00455@net.indra.com> From: "Wilson, Brad" To: "'H-COST'" Subject: H-COST: Creating patterns from books (Janet Arnold, etc.) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Wilson, Brad" I just thought I would send this suggestion about how I have created full size pattern easily and scaled them up. I work as a draftsman/designer, and have 10 years experience doing CAD (computer aided drafting). I just finished my first Janet Arnold doublet (I took the peascod one and trimmed the belly size down to fit my 'natural' padding). I scanned in the pattern on my scanner, which had to be scanned in two pieces since it only takes 8.5" x 14", not 11" x 17" (which is what the book is). Then, I imported the b/w drawing into AutoCAD. I then scaled up the scanned picture so that instead of it being an 11" x 17", it was now a full scale pattern in the computer. Since it also scaled the lines (turning a single line into about 6" wide), I had to use the cad program and trace over the pattern. Once that was done, I then deleted the scan (which took up a good bit of space/memory), and printed it out on a plotter that could plot 36" wide paper. For home use with any generic scanner and a normal letter size printer, I think any generic CAD program would work that could import a picture type that your scanner is capable of creating. Then you could draw a square box, like 8.5" x 11", and make a large grid of those boxes. Then, trace the pattern out, and plot it to the letter size paper and tape it together. I have done this for a cloak pattern, and it works great. Now, you could possibly take the drawing to a print/drafting company and have them print it for maybe $4-7, which gives you an exact pattern blown-up from the drawings. Just thought I would throw that idea out there and see if anyone has used this method.. Brad Wilson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 11:44:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28599 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:44:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16304; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:59:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06153 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:56:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx2.io.com (IDENT:root@mx2.io.com [199.170.88.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06122 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:56:56 -0600 (MDT) From: ches@io.com Received: from eris.io.com (IDENT:ches@eris.io.com [199.170.88.11]) by mx2.io.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA16600; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:56:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (ches@localhost) by eris.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA31216; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:56:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: eris.io.com: ches owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:56:34 -0500 (CDT) To: "'H-COST'" cc: SCA-GARB@LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: Re: H-COST: Creating patterns from books (Janet Arnold, etc.) In-Reply-To: <199909081639.KAA00455@net.indra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: ches@io.com you are great! this is what I have been playing with when New comers arrive at my door step and need patterns to go home with them, but I hand draw them from a projected image using a flash light and mirrors, (campfire girl trick). It is not the *exact* pattern that is in the book cause they want a different sleeve or neck like so it is never the same twice. That and my hand is not as steady as it used to me. :) Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Wilson, Brad wrote: > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:39:47 -0600 (MDT) > From: "Wilson, Brad" > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > To: 'H-COST' > Subject: H-COST: Creating patterns from books (Janet Arnold, etc.) > > > -Poster: "Wilson, Brad" > > > I just thought I would send this suggestion about how I have created full > size pattern easily and scaled them up. I work as a draftsman/designer, and > have 10 years experience doing CAD (computer aided drafting). I just > finished my first Janet Arnold doublet (I took the peascod one and trimmed > the belly size down to fit my 'natural' padding). I scanned in the pattern > on my scanner, which had to be scanned in two pieces since it only takes > 8.5" x 14", not 11" x 17" (which is what the book is). Then, I imported the > b/w drawing into AutoCAD. I then scaled up the scanned picture so that > instead of it being an 11" x 17", it was now a full scale pattern in the > computer. Since it also scaled the lines (turning a single line into about > 6" wide), I had to use the cad program and trace over the pattern. Once that > was done, I then deleted the scan (which took up a good bit of > space/memory), and printed it out on a plotter that could plot 36" wide > paper. > > For home use with any generic scanner and a normal letter size printer, I > think any generic CAD program would work that could import a picture type > that your scanner is capable of creating. Then you could draw a square box, > like 8.5" x 11", and make a large grid of those boxes. Then, trace the > pattern out, and plot it to the letter size paper and tape it together. I > have done this for a cloak pattern, and it works great. Now, you could > possibly take the drawing to a print/drafting company and have them print it > for maybe $4-7, which gives you an exact pattern blown-up from the drawings. > > Just thought I would throw that idea out there and see if anyone has used > this method.. > > Brad Wilson > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 11:44:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28603 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:44:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16390; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:59:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06416 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:57:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06400 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:57:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p42.directcon.net [206.170.184.91]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29589 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909081656.JAA29589@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: H-Cost: Looking for Wolf Dress Form Co Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson Does anyone have a phone number for the sales department of the Wolf dress form company? Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 11:57:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28614 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:57:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18680; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:12:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11354 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:09:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11336 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:09:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p34.directcon.net [206.170.184.83]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01065 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909081708.KAA01065@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Creating patterns from books (Janet Arnold, etc.) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson t I hand >draw them from a projected image using a flash light and mirrors, >(campfire girl trick). Oooh, please explain how to do this! Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 12:05:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28628 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:05:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20438; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:20:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15311 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:18:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deliverator.io.com (root@deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15282 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:18:38 -0600 (MDT) From: ches@io.com Received: from eris.io.com (IDENT:ches@eris.io.com [199.170.88.11]) by deliverator.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10201 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:18:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (ches@localhost) by eris.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA32388 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:18:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: eris.io.com: ches owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:18:37 -0500 (CDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Creating patterns from books (Janet Arnold, etc.) In-Reply-To: <199909081708.KAA01065@zeus.directcon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: ches@io.com You get a piece of glass, lay the think you want projected on it and turn on the light source underneath it. Place a mirror at an angle on top of the whole thing and just move it until it is the size you want it to be. We did this in campfire to project ghosts on the wall during those stormy story times in the great hall....;) Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Margo Anderson wrote: > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:08:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: Margo Anderson > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: Creating patterns from books (Janet Arnold, etc.) > > > -Poster: Margo Anderson > > t I hand > >draw them from a projected image using a flash light and mirrors, > >(campfire girl trick). > > Oooh, please explain how to do this! > > Margo > > "One Tough Costumer" > http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 12:24:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28677 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:24:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23016; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:39:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21042 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:37:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21030 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13768 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-37.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.37]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07801 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001601befa21$b6a230e0$ec96fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: "costume list" Subject: H-COST: Re: Pattern Area URL Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:43:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" >~Kyna >"The Pattern Person" Please email me with the addy for the pattern site. I don't seem to have it anymore. I sent email and all I get back is the password, etc. I have tried emailing again, and I got the same thing: password, etc. It doesn't help to have a password for somewhere you don't know how to get to. Michelle Sorry, now back to H-costume..... _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 12:28:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28684 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:28:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23645; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:43:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21991 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:40:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21980 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:40:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16136; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-37.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.37]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10645; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002001befa22$38819100$ec96fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: "costume list" , Subject: H-COST: email problems Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:47:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEF9E7.8B26F3E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEF9E7.8B26F3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I realize that several people have had problems sending me mail. I = am looking for a better server. In the meantime, I have opened a = temporary account. If mail bounces, please try sending it to=20 Mandrake@Ireland.com=20 =20 I will do my best to straighten this out (hopefully, before I get = booted from the list for bounced mail.) Sorry for all the trouble. Michelle ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEF9E7.8B26F3E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
   I realize that several = people have=20 had problems sending me mail.  I am looking for a better = server.  In=20 the meantime, I have opened a temporary account.  If mail bounces, = please=20 try sending it to
   Mandrake@Ireland.com =
  
    I will do my best = to=20 straighten this out (hopefully, before I get booted from the list for = bounced=20 mail.)   Sorry for all the trouble.
   = Michelle
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BEF9E7.8B26F3E0-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 12:53:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28801 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:53:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27832; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:08:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28137 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:06:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28124 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cc1010062a ([24.3.134.203]) by mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990908180634.UMLB9848.mail.rdc1.nj.home.com@cc1010062a> for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:06:34 -0700 Message-ID: <023c01befa22$e27b0e20$cb860318@avnl1.nj.home.com> From: "Kyna Grannd" To: References: <001601befa21$b6a230e0$ec96fea9@gunsafes> Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Pattern Area URL Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:52:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Kyna Grannd" To Michelle and anyone that is interested: ::grins:: ya...I realized after your emails that if it's going to autorespond that it should be with the User Name, Password *AND* the URL! I've changed it so that it does just that. URL to the Pattern Area: http://UnicornCastle.net/wardrobe/patterns/index.html The password agreement can be received by sending email to: password@unicorncastle.net The message board is fully functional and in an non-password protected area for convenience: http://UnicornCastle.net/board/index.html (FYI you can type these URLs in any way you want with or without the "www" and with or with out the Capitol Letters in the domain name.) ~Kyna Grannd "The Pattern Person" pattern_person@unicorncastle.net ---- Kyna Grannd Grannd Garb Historic Clothing, Supplies and Accessories http://GranndGarb.com ICQ#12859312 http://TheMarketSquare.com COMING SOON!! Ask for details about your selling space now. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle To: costume list Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 1:43 PM Subject: H-COST: Re: Pattern Area URL > > -Poster: "Michelle" > > > >~Kyna > >"The Pattern Person" > Please email me with the addy for the pattern site. I don't seem to > have it anymore. I sent email and all I get back is the password, etc. I > have tried emailing again, and I got the same thing: password, etc. It > doesn't help to have a password for somewhere you don't know how to get to. > Michelle > Sorry, now back to H-costume..... _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 13:58:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29058 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:58:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07147; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12784 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:10:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12772 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:10:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p29.directcon.net [206.170.184.128]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA15426 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909081908.MAA15426@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST:How many list members? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson I'm doing some market research. Can someone tell me how many members this list has? Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 14:47:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29209 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:47:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17645; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:01:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24934 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:58:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f221.hotmail.com [207.82.251.112]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA24918 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:58:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 19363 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 1999 19:58:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19990908195812.19362.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 12.21.110.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:58:12 PDT X-Originating-IP: [12.21.110.240] From: "Karie Mitchell" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Eleonora of Toledo/child Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:58:12 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Karie Mitchell" >>I thought I would try again. The child seems to be wearing a >>simple tunic over a fancier edged chemise. What does everyone think of >>that? >I'm not so certain it's a tunic, although this is not my period. Hello, Not that this is the last word by any means, but I recall an article from TI regarding the tradition of having children of both sexes wear a long tunic/dress until they were more "in control" of their bodily functions. (Sort of the 'anti-diaper') When a boy child could be taught control, he was given his first pair of pants. So it would seem to me, by virtue of the age of the child in the painting, that he would be wearing a long tunic or dress. Allessandre Desiderio Ansteorra "Those who give up a little liberty for safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Ben Franklin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 15:35:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29249 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:35:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26614; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:50:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06392 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:47:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06386 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:47:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11OodE-000DBk-0C for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:47:52 +0000 Message-ID: <238pSDA8rs13Iwwr@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:45:48 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: H-COST: Creating patterns from books (Janet Arnold, etc.) In-Reply-To: <199909081639.KAA00455@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Jean Waddie My husband has used a similar method (though perhaps less expertly) to scale up the patterns for medieval shoes in the Museum of London book. He scales it up to somewhere near full size, and then cuts it out and adjusts the fine detail on his foot, first with the paper and then heavy fabric, before going into leather. Jean In message <199909081639.KAA00455@net.indra.com>, "Wilson, Brad" writes > >-Poster: "Wilson, Brad" > > >I just thought I would send this suggestion about how I have created full >size pattern easily and scaled them up. I work as a draftsman/designer, and >have 10 years experience doing CAD (computer aided drafting). I just >finished my first Janet Arnold doublet (I took the peascod one and trimmed >the belly size down to fit my 'natural' padding). I scanned in the pattern >on my scanner, which had to be scanned in two pieces since it only takes >8.5" x 14", not 11" x 17" (which is what the book is). Then, I imported the >b/w drawing into AutoCAD. I then scaled up the scanned picture so that >instead of it being an 11" x 17", it was now a full scale pattern in the >computer. Since it also scaled the lines (turning a single line into about >6" wide), I had to use the cad program and trace over the pattern. Once that >was done, I then deleted the scan (which took up a good bit of >space/memory), and printed it out on a plotter that could plot 36" wide >paper. > >For home use with any generic scanner and a normal letter size printer, I >think any generic CAD program would work that could import a picture type >that your scanner is capable of creating. Then you could draw a square box, >like 8.5" x 11", and make a large grid of those boxes. Then, trace the >pattern out, and plot it to the letter size paper and tape it together. I >have done this for a cloak pattern, and it works great. Now, you could >possibly take the drawing to a print/drafting company and have them print it >for maybe $4-7, which gives you an exact pattern blown-up from the drawings. > >Just thought I would throw that idea out there and see if anyone has used >this method.. > >Brad Wilson > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Jean Waddie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 15:43:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29267 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:43:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27870; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:58:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08480 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:56:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08474; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:56:07 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:56:07 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear Message-Id: <199909082056.OAA08474@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Elizabeth Lear Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29273 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:45:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28198; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:59:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08855 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:57:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08839; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:57:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:57:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909082057.OAA08839@net.indra.com> From: "Wilson, Brad" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Creating patterns from books (Janet Arnold, etc.) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Wilson, Brad" > you are great! this is what I have been playing with when New comers > arrive at my door step and need patterns to go home with them, but I hand Another option is if you know a relative who has scanner/computer/plotter access, they may be able to do it for you. Be warned, when I plotted out the venetian pattern for the peascod belly out of Janet Arnold's book, it was a llloooonnggg plot! I did try to arrange the pieces to make the most use of the paper. It took about 4-5 hours of time to trace it out, but it came our great... What you can do is plot out the large pattern, keep track of what you did to 'make it fit' you, then go back in and change the cad drawing to reflect the changes. Then to scale a drawing up, no matter what size, just put the new drawing over the old one's pieces and 'adjust it' till it's about the right size. I haven't tried that one yet, but it sounds like a good plan. Brad Wilson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 16:07:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29308 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:07:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01483; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14559 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:20:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail-gw6.pacbell.net (mail-gw6.pacbell.net [206.13.28.41]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14526 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:20:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-69-250.irvn11.pacbell.net [206.170.69.250]) by mail-gw6.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21688; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D67194.3424B344@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 14:24:22 +0000 From: Dietmar Organization: Completely Disorganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com CC: SarahToney Subject: H-COST: Re: The History of Costume References: <19990907151947.5915.rocketmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> <37D58FFA.32ECA2F0@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, Sarah asked about the numbers in Carl Kohler's "History of Costume". I had written: > They are measurements made in centimeters. If you divide them by 2.5 > (or multiply by 5 and divide by 2) you will get a good approximation > of the measurement in inches. Obviously, you should multiply by 2 and divide by 5. (I can do calculus and physics...it's the simple stuff that trips me up.) Regards, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 16:09:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29312 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:09:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01692; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:24:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14880 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:22:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14870 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:22:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p6.directcon.net [206.170.184.55]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00818 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909082120.OAA00818@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: RE: H-COST: Creating patterns from books (Janet Arnold, etc.) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson Check out wildginger.com for their "symmetry" pattern drafting software package....it was designed by theatrcial costumers. Part of their copy says: "Theatrical costumers will be interested in Symmetry's ability to work with 1/8th scale patterns. Eighth scale patterns may be digitized, saved in Symmetry, and scaled up to full size instantly." Sounds to me as if they wrote it specifically for working with Janet Arnold's books. Now, if I can only figure out a way to afford it... Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 18:03:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29704 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:03:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17529; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:18:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08653 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:10:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from relay4.hawaii.edu (relay4.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.12]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA08619 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:10:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from uhunix1.its.hawaii.edu ([128.171.44.6]) by relay4.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <373949(9)>; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:10:41 -1000 Received: from localhost by uhunix1.its.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <135742(6)>; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:10:23 -1000 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:10:18 -1000 From: lisaleon@hawaii.edu X-Sender: lisaleon@uhunix1 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/Elizabethan corsets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: lisaleon@hawaii.edu On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, GreyGoose wrote: > > was absolutely no way I could have put straps on her corset. It was > partially designed to overcome the difficulty of my daughter being > terribly short-waisted while the portrait shows Elizabeth as being somewhat > long-waisted. It also had to perform some 'flattening' to achieve the > same silhouette - since she had developed more than anticipated by the This is my problem too, although I'm small busted and don't need much flattening. However, the corset dropped my waistline by more than an inch which helped. > the shoulders of the gown were held up by a combination of fortuitous > fitting and force of will. Fit was everything for this gown, and straps on > the corset were not a part of the plan. The shoulders of my gown stay on and like you, it was a matter of the bodice fitting well. I don't think there's any way I could have gotten corset straps under there either, as the shoulder straps and sleeve heads were right at the ends of my shoulders. I'm going to try and do something along the lines of the gown in QE's Pelican portrait next and would like to try a corset with straps, as I need more of my body parts pulled to the front rather than flattened to the sides. It appears that the sleeve heads are also right at the end of the shoulders so I'm wondering how I'm going to hide the straps. Would a possible method be to have the backs of the straps start closer to the center back than usual and have them sort of roll out and around (rather than right over the top) of the shoulder? Or maybe on my figure it wouldn't really make much difference? And as an aside, it was somewhat flattering to see an altered version of my .sig castle show up in someone else's .sig line recently :) Or if it's just an incredible coincidence, great minds must think alike! Lisa Leong * <| lisaleon@hawaii.edu .^. * * .=.=.=. * * <| ^V V V^ <| \^ ^ ^/ | | \^ ^ ^/ | |^^^^| |^^^^| | | [] [] [] | | ":":":":...:":":":" | ~~~|________[oIo]________|~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 18:21:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29725 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:21:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20419; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:36:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12820 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:34:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA12808 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:34:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990908233456.19196.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.254.160.206] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:34:56 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:34:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Toney Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sarah Toney WoW! Okay, all you out there that aren't talking need to speak up more! ;-) It seems like it is always the same people (myself included)... not that this is a bad thing since if we weren't talking there wouldn't be a reason for this, huh? *grin* Sarah --- Elizabeth Lear wrote: > > -Poster: Elizabeth Lear > > > how many members this > > 630 > ...eliz, list admin > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 18:26:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29735 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:26:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21275; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:42:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13846 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:40:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13827 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:40:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p6.directcon.net [206.170.184.55]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA17290 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909082338.QAA17290@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/Elizabethan corsets Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson >> the shoulders of the gown were held up by a combination of fortuitous >> fitting and force of will. Fit was everything for this gown, and straps on >> the corset were not a part of the plan. > > The shoulders of my gown stay on and like you, it was a matter of >the bodice fitting well. I don't think there's any way I could have >gotten corset straps under there either, as the shoulder straps and sleeve >heads were right at the ends of my shoulders. I don't understand. If you could make the gown's shoulder straps stay up, why not a corset's straps as well, especially considering that they pinned so many garments? Pin the two layes togehter and they'll behave as one. > I'm going to try and do something along the lines of the gown in >QE's Pelican portrait next and would like to try a corset with straps, as >I need more of my body parts pulled to the front rather than flattened to >the sides. It appears that the sleeve heads are also right at the end of >the shoulders so I'm wondering how I'm going to hide the straps. Would a >possible method be to have the backs of the straps start closer to the >center back than usual and have them sort of roll out and around (rather >than right over the top) of the shoulder? Some Victorian corset straps did just this, for wear with very wide evening necklines. Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 18:41:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29756 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:41:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23205; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:56:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16334 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:54:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16324 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:54:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ggoose (p35.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.35]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA07180 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990908194513.00a47a30@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: ggoose@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 19:53:14 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: dionne Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/Elizabethan corsets In-Reply-To: <199909082338.QAA17290@zeus.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: dionne > >I don't understand. If you could make the gown's shoulder straps stay up, >why not a corset's straps as well, especially considering that they pinned >so many garments? Pin the two layes togehter and they'll behave as one. > Well - since the entire gown didn't *need* the corset to have straps to fit and reproduce the appearance of the portrait, and they would have added extra bulk that would have been even more uncomfortable (I was dressing a 14 year old after all) I saw no reason to add them in. Also, the strapless version allowed more freedom of movement - the corset stayed where it was around her torso, when straps would have made it ride up as she moved around (quite vigorously too). It has been a couple of years since I did the research for this - my main period is Viking but the girl just looked so *right* for the part. But what I recall off the top of my head is various bodies without straps for that time period. Of course, with a memory like a steel sieve, I may be mistaken. Joanna Dionne _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 19:03:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29807 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:03:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25374; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:18:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19810 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:16:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19791 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:16:01 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6MUH02bvZt (3997) for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2a868db1.2508561c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:15:24 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/Elizabethan & 18th century corsets To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com All this reminds me of those [rare] gowns from about mid 18th century ....found only in France I think.... that are all but off the shoulder. Where do the corset straps go for these lovelies? Of course with straps that tie to the bodies at either front or back, it's easy to see how one could get rid of them or tuck them away from sight. Perhaps Elizabethan women did the same for those special gowns of theirs. Still some straps can get very narrow...3/4 of an inch. And the tying of them makes them adjustable for the longer off the shoulder measurement. BTW...if you want to see one, both Glenn Close & Swoozie Kurtz have one of these off the shoulder gowns in Dangerous Liaisons. The only ones I've ever seen on a moving, breathing person. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 19:10:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29817 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:10:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26110; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:25:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20868 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:22:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20859 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:22:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-61-222.s222.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.222]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA12880 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010201befa59$19076160$de3daccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <19990908233456.19196.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:20:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Are our lurkers introverts???? >From the webpage article, Revenge of the Introverts : "Yet, silent as they may be, introverts can have a lot to say given the right forum. They've found that the internet can help them communicate in their preferred manner; a written dialogue with time to pause for thought and analysis. " Alright, introverts, stop pausing, and start talking. Let's make Thursday, 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day. We stop talking for ONE day, and let the introverts speak! We are listening now, its your forum! Later... Penny (One of the Extros, along with Margo, Charlene , R.L. Shep, Sally, Sarah, Albert Cat, Jennie, Drea, Fran, gee, if I left any of you extros out, I'm sorry. This is the last you will hear from me until 9/10/99) http://www.costumegallery.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah Toney To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 7:34 PM Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? > > -Poster: Sarah Toney > > WoW! Okay, all you out there that aren't talking need > to speak up more! ;-) It seems like it is always the > same people (myself included)... not that this is a > bad thing since if we weren't talking there wouldn't > be a reason for this, huh? > > *grin* > > Sarah > > > --- Elizabeth Lear wrote: > > > > -Poster: Elizabeth Lear > > > > > > > how many members this > > > > > 630 > > ...eliz, list admin > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > > majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 19:23:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29840 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:23:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27950; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:38:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22998 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:36:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22986 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:36:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p35.directcon.net [206.170.184.84]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA24146 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909090034.RAA24146@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson >Alright, introverts, stop pausing, and start talking. Let's make Thursday, >9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day. We stop talking for ONE day, and let the >introverts speak! We are listening now, its your forum! > >Later... Penny (One of the Extros, along with Margo, Charlene , >R.L. Shep, Sally, Sarah, Albert Cat, Jennie, Drea, Fran, gee, if I left any >of you extros out, I'm sorry. This is the last you will hear from me until >9/10/99) I'm in...but it's going to be HARD and I can't go cold turkey. I'll sign off at midnight, okay? Margo > "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 19:38:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29876 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:38:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29825; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:53:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25501 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:51:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from exchange.acer.edu.au (exchange.acer.edu.au [203.2.133.26]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25493 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:51:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by exchange.acer.edu.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:47:11 +1000 Message-ID: From: Harvey Georgia To: "'H-costume'" Subject: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep! Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:47:11 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Harvey Georgia meep. No, really. I usually only post when I have something *specific* to say. That, or time to say it. Georgia back to mostly lurking. when I start making my vict. corset, you'll hear from me all right. actually... on that note.... I was planning to buy the pattern that Laughing Moon sell. Does anyone have experience with this? http:www.lafnmoon.com (I think... please correct if I'm wrong) G _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 19:50:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29891 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:50:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01209; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27266 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:03:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27258 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:03:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (216-164-48-126.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com [216.164.48.126]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA06296 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007c01befa5f$9fdab420$0200a8c0@pavilion> From: "Megan McHugh" To: Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:06:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Megan McHugh" Hey! I'm lurking and learning. I thought I was doing pretty well as I've only been dabbling in medieval/ren costuming for a couple years, and SCA for even less time, until I got to this list and found out how much I do not know. So I read and learn (and buy the recommended books, of course!) -----Original Message----- From: Penny Ladnier To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 8:24 PM Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? > >-Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > >Are our lurkers introverts???? > >From the webpage article, Revenge of the Introverts >: >"Yet, silent as they may be, introverts can have a lot to say given the >right forum. They've found that the internet can help them communicate in >their preferred manner; a written dialogue with time to pause for thought >and analysis. " > >Alright, introverts, stop pausing, and start talking. Let's make Thursday, >9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day. We stop talking for ONE day, and let the >introverts speak! We are listening now, its your forum! > >Later... Penny (One of the Extros, along with Margo, Charlene , >R.L. Shep, Sally, Sarah, Albert Cat, Jennie, Drea, Fran, gee, if I left any >of you extros out, I'm sorry. This is the last you will hear from me until >9/10/99) >http://www.costumegallery.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Sarah Toney >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 7:34 PM >Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? > > >> >> -Poster: Sarah Toney >> >> WoW! Okay, all you out there that aren't talking need >> to speak up more! ;-) It seems like it is always the >> same people (myself included)... not that this is a >> bad thing since if we weren't talking there wouldn't >> be a reason for this, huh? >> >> *grin* >> >> Sarah >> >> >> --- Elizabeth Lear wrote: >> > >> > -Poster: Elizabeth Lear >> > >> > >> > > > how many members this >> > > > >> > 630 >> > ...eliz, list admin >> > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ >> > To leave this mailing list, send mail to >> > majordomo@indra.com >> > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME >> > >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 19:52:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29895 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:52:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01695; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27525 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:05:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27520 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:05:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (216-164-48-126.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com [216.164.48.126]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA07769 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008101befa5f$f5f40640$0200a8c0@pavilion> From: "Megan McHugh" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep! Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:09:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Megan McHugh" >actually... on that note.... I was planning to buy the pattern that Laughing >Moon sell. Does anyone have experience with this? I just bought the pattern and am planning on getting around to it soon. Does anyone have a good source for the busk closure pictured on the pattern envelope? Greenberg and Hammer show one in their catalog, but say they have only 4 hooks. The one pictured has at least 6 (pattern is not in front of me at the moment). _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 20:06:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29909 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:06:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03174; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:21:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29650 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:19:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f201.hotmail.com [207.82.251.92]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29633 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 75158 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 1999 01:18:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19990909011853.75157.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 166.90.40.87 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 18:18:52 PDT X-Originating-IP: [166.90.40.87] From: "L.L. Johnson" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Rule of Toyota; Ya want, ya get/Re: H-COST:How many list members? Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 18:18:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "L.L. Johnson" Hi I just joined this list day before yesterday. Haven't really had a chance to get acclimated yet but just wanted to let you know I'm here. Have some good news on the costume book front. Amazon.com now has the new Dover editions of Herbert Norris' Costume and Fashion series. Ancient Europe, vol 1, and the last to be reprinted will be available in October. Now back to lurking, until I can think of something else to say. :-) Lonna (SKA, Enyd) ______________________________________________________________________ >From: "Penny Ladnier" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:20:15 -0400 > > >-Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > >Are our lurkers introverts???? > >From the webpage article, Revenge of the Introverts >: >"Yet, silent as they may be, introverts can have a lot to say given the >right forum. They've found that the internet can help them communicate in >their preferred manner; a written dialogue with time to pause for thought >and analysis. " > >Alright, introverts, stop pausing, and start talking. Let's make Thursday, >9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day. We stop talking for ONE day, and let the >introverts speak! We are listening now, its your forum! > >Later... Penny (One of the Extros, along with Margo, Charlene you>, >R.L. Shep, Sally, Sarah, Albert Cat, Jennie, Drea, Fran, gee, if I left any >of you extros out, I'm sorry. This is the last you will hear from me until >9/10/99) >http://www.costumegallery.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Sarah Toney >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 7:34 PM >Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? > > > > > > -Poster: Sarah Toney > > > > WoW! Okay, all you out there that aren't talking need > > to speak up more! ;-) It seems like it is always the > > same people (myself included)... not that this is a > > bad thing since if we weren't talking there wouldn't > > be a reason for this, huh? > > > > *grin* > > > > Sarah > > > > > > --- Elizabeth Lear wrote: > > > > > > -Poster: Elizabeth Lear > > > > > > > > > > > how many members this > > > > > > > > 630 > > > ...eliz, list admin > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > > > majordomo@indra.com > > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 20:06:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29913 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:06:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03233; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:22:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29742 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:20:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29736 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gia-g (dialup320.serv.net [207.207.70.213]) by mx.serv.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA00532 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005601befa61$7d2c9cc0$d546cfcf@gia-g> From: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" To: Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:17:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" What about us semi-introverts? I really *like* just lurking and getting all the great emails from you guys...I've learned *so* much! My posting are mostly just questions. *sigh* Gia/Giacinta -----Original Message----- From: Penny Ladnier To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 5:27 PM Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? > >-Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > >Are our lurkers introverts???? > >>From the webpage article, Revenge of the Introverts >: >"Yet, silent as they may be, introverts can have a lot to say given the >right forum. They've found that the internet can help them communicate in >their preferred manner; a written dialogue with time to pause for thought >and analysis. " > >Alright, introverts, stop pausing, and start talking. Let's make Thursday, >9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day. We stop talking for ONE day, and let the >introverts speak! We are listening now, its your forum! > >Later... Penny (One of the Extros, along with Margo, Charlene , >R.L. Shep, Sally, Sarah, Albert Cat, Jennie, Drea, Fran, gee, if I left any >of you extros out, I'm sorry. This is the last you will hear from me until >9/10/99) >http://www.costumegallery.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Sarah Toney >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 7:34 PM >Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? > > >> >> -Poster: Sarah Toney >> >> WoW! Okay, all you out there that aren't talking need >> to speak up more! ;-) It seems like it is always the >> same people (myself included)... not that this is a >> bad thing since if we weren't talking there wouldn't >> be a reason for this, huh? >> >> *grin* >> >> Sarah >> >> >> --- Elizabeth Lear wrote: >> > >> > -Poster: Elizabeth Lear >> > >> > >> > > > how many members this >> > > > >> > 630 >> > ...eliz, list admin >> > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ >> > To leave this mailing list, send mail to >> > majordomo@indra.com >> > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME >> > >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 20:15:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29928 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:15:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03935; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:30:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00976 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:27:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00970 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:27:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Jujenkai@aol.com Received: from Jujenkai@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6HZEMjUe6_ (3971) for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4f7772b.250866f4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:27:16 EDT Subject: H-COST: questions for a friend To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Jujenkai@aol.com Hello, I am trying to help a friend of mine document an article of clothing and I was wondering if anyone could help me. I am needing patterns, pictures, documentation, and sources for the following 14th to 16th century garb that was worn in moorish spain and is from Morocco, Syria, Saudi Arabia. Some of these words are interchangeable: Merodan, Woniya, Shillahat, Baalto, gumbaz, zibun, sirwaal, syah, kaftan, thawb, jubba, furmilaaya, saaya, damir, cote, also formerly called The al ardah al nejdiah. if someone could help me it would be a BIG help Respectfully, Brooks D. Barnes _____________________________________________________________________ Brooks D. Barnes 506 Greensboro Street Starkville, Ms 39759 U.S.A. Tel (662) 323-5799 e-mail jujenkai@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 20:41:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29960 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:41:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06915; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:56:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04782 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:54:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from viper.columbus.rr.com (viper.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.254]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04775 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:54:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc.columbus.rr.com (dhcp31161186.columbus.rr.com [24.31.161.186]) by viper.columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA09223 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002c01befa66$7a41e6a0$baa11f18@dsc.columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/Elizabethan corsets Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:56:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! > But what I recall off the top of my head is >various bodies without straps for that time period. Of course, with a >memory like a steel sieve, I may be mistaken. All the bodies I've seen have straps (of course, I haven't seen all the extant garments...and none of them were Tudor). Since almost by definition "a pair of bodies" implies that both "bodice" and "corset" are cut on similar lines, can we postulate a strapless bodice for the Tudor period to correlate with a strapless "corset"? I'm not sure myself. I'm guessing the straps are there; they're just tiny like those on the outer bodice. And I'm betting they fit very snugly, using the bias properties; the same thing goes for the bodice itself--otherwise, you'd have the things drooping off one's shoulders. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 21:00:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29988 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:00:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09124; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:15:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07562 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:13:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA07557 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:13:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990909021409.29925.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.254.160.27] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 19:14:09 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:14:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Toney Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sarah Toney I wasn't trying to be critical... it just hit me as funny that I was under the impression that there were 40 of us or so on the list... ;-) Actually, most lists are like this... and I tend to "lurk" on most of them.. . just not this one for some reason. ;-) Sarah --- Megan McHugh wrote: > > -Poster: "Megan McHugh" > > Hey! I'm lurking and learning. I thought I was > doing pretty well as I've > only been dabbling in medieval/ren costuming for a > couple years, and SCA for > even less time, until I got to this list and found > out how much I do not > know. So I read and learn (and buy the recommended > books, of course!) > -----Original Message----- > From: Penny Ladnier > > To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 8:24 PM > Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? > > > > > >-Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > > > > >Are our lurkers introverts???? > > > >From the webpage article, Revenge of the Introverts > >: > >"Yet, silent as they may be, introverts can have a > lot to say given the > >right forum. They've found that the internet can > help them communicate in > >their preferred manner; a written dialogue with > time to pause for thought > >and analysis. " > > > >Alright, introverts, stop pausing, and start > talking. Let's make Thursday, > >9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day. We stop talking > for ONE day, and let the > >introverts speak! We are listening now, its your > forum! > > > >Later... Penny (One of the Extros, along with > Margo, Charlene you>, > >R.L. Shep, Sally, Sarah, Albert Cat, Jennie, Drea, > Fran, gee, if I left any > >of you extros out, I'm sorry. This is the last you > will hear from me until > >9/10/99) > >http://www.costumegallery.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Sarah Toney > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 7:34 PM > >Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? > > > > > >> > >> -Poster: Sarah Toney > >> > >> WoW! Okay, all you out there that aren't talking > need > >> to speak up more! ;-) It seems like it is always > the > >> same people (myself included)... not that this is > a > >> bad thing since if we weren't talking there > wouldn't > >> be a reason for this, huh? > >> > >> *grin* > >> > >> Sarah > >> > >> > >> --- Elizabeth Lear wrote: > >> > > >> > -Poster: Elizabeth Lear > >> > > >> > > >> > tell me > >> > how many members this > >> > >> > > >> > 630 > >> > ...eliz, list admin > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > >> > majordomo@indra.com > >> > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > >> > > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Bid and sell for free at > http://auctions.yahoo.com > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 21:19:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30010 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:19:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11175; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:34:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09979 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:32:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09967 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id MAA31846 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:01:35 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA04596; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:09:19 +0930 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:09:12 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? In-Reply-To: <010201befa59$19076160$de3daccf@e4c2n6> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Alright, introverts, stop pausing, and start talking. Let's make Thursday, > 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day. We stop talking for ONE day, and let the > introverts speak! We are listening now, its your forum! > > Later... Penny (One of the Extros, along with Margo, Charlene , > R.L. Shep, Sally, Sarah, Albert Cat, Jennie, Drea, Fran, gee, if I left any > of you extros out, I'm sorry. This is the last you will hear from me until > 9/10/99) But the 9/10 is halfway over here. Oh you mean the 10/9...whoops. *grin* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 21:21:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30016 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:21:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11447; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:36:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10448 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:34:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10436 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.176] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11Ou2W-0000Ww-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:34:20 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 19:32:31 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? In-Reply-To: <19990909021409.29925.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" As I am not at the level of expertise most others seem to be. I read, I try, I learn...I lurk...thus, am I ... Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 22:05:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30088 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:05:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16634; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:21:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17494 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:19:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from relay4.hawaii.edu (relay4.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.12]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17483 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from uhunix1.its.hawaii.edu ([128.171.44.6]) by relay4.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <373621(2)>; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:18:53 -1000 Received: from localhost by uhunix1.its.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <135745(4)>; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:18:47 -1000 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:18:45 -1000 From: X-Sender: lisaleon@uhunix1 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/Elizabethan corsets In-Reply-To: <199909082338.QAA17290@zeus.directcon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: > I don't understand. If you could make the gown's shoulder straps stay up, > why not a corset's straps as well, especially considering that they pinned > so many garments? Pin the two layes togehter and they'll behave as one. Err, I don't quite know how to explain this but I'll give it a try. The gown wasn't being held up by the straps. The bust and torso areas fit well enough to hold the bodice up and the neckline in the back is high enough that the shoulders won't fall. The straps lie comfortably on my shoulders but if I tilt one down the strap will stay up without my shoulder touching it. So I could probably make a corset where the straps could be pinned and hidden...but I don't know if the straps would actually be supporting anything. I'll fiddle with the one I have and see if I can make something work. You've given me some ideas. Thanks! Lisa Leong * <| lisaleon@hawaii.edu .^. * * .=.=.=. * * <| ^V V V^ <| \^ ^ ^/ | | \^ ^ ^/ | |^^^^| |^^^^| | | [] [] [] | | ":":":":...:":":":" | ~~~|________[oIo]________|~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 22:34:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30137 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:34:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18906; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:49:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21554 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:47:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21544 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:47:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990909034710.THJO22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:47:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:50:35 -0700 Subject: H-COST: 9/9/99 From: "R.L. Shep" To: "h-costume" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990909034710.THJO22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "R.L. Shep" Let the lurkers begin...... Frankly I think I lurk a lot more than I speak, but obviously Penny does not think so..... so there! ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 22:41:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30151 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:41:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19944; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22530 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:54:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22524 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:54:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.142]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA17506 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37D7300B.262F371F@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:56:59 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Laughing Moon Corset References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Janice Dallas This was the pattern We used at Costume College July '98. Also at U.S. Institute of Theatre Technology's Convention in Long Beach, CA earlier that summer. Both teachers thought it was the best for fitting most people. I had major surgery after and found it didn't fit me as well this year when we did "cuirasse bodice" over it. I never got it completely made but it has a busk and boning channels. Being tall I had to get a longer busk and, if I remember correctly, I found one at Costume College at either "Enhancements" booth or "Alteryears", most probably the former. They have a catalog but I think it's mostly for period hat supplies. Janice -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 22:51:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30165 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:51:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20874; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:07:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23825 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:04:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f260.hotmail.com [207.82.251.151]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA23810 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:04:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 85514 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 1999 04:04:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19990909040409.85513.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.12.82.76 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:04:08 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.12.82.76] From: "kris .." To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep! Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:04:08 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "kris .." >-Poster: "Megan McHugh" > > >actually... on that note.... I was planning to buy the pattern that >Laughing > >Moon sell. Does anyone have experience with this? > > >I just bought the pattern and am planning on getting around to it soon. >Does anyone have a good source for the busk closure pictured on the pattern >envelope? Greenberg and Hammer show one in their catalog, but say they >have >only 4 hooks. The one pictured has at least 6 (pattern is not in front of >me at the moment). http://farthingales.on.ca has spoon busks & reg. hook-and-eye type busks. They also sell the pattern as a corset kit. I'm considering getting it, but it includes the german plastic boning. The lady I emailed said that it was much better than Rigilene, but I'm very wary.. Anyone have any experience with German plastic stuff? Kris delurking... :] oh, and they hav pics of the corset made up on their site. They're lovely patterns. :] http://farthingales.on.ca/patterns.htm#patterns for teh exact URL.. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 23:05:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30179 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:05:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21932; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25629 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:18:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25622 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:18:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA05062 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:18:41 -0700 Received: from ip-55-009.sna.primenet.com(207.218.55.9), claiming to be "pavilion" via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpde.ZSaa; Wed Sep 8 21:18:36 1999 Message-Id: <4.1.19990908212353.073582a0@pop.primenet.com> X-Sender: kittykat@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:24:18 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Svanhildr Valdimarsdottir Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? In-Reply-To: References: <19990909021409.29925.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Svanhildr Valdimarsdottir At 07:32 PM 09/08/1999 , you wrote: > >-Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" > > As I am not at the level of expertise most others seem to be. I >read, I try, I learn...I lurk...thus, am I ... Carol What she said! :-> Svanny Svanhildr Valdimarsdottir )O( Barony of Gyldenholt, Kingdom of Caid kittykat@primenet.com ICQ: 12691776 (NyteRaevyn) AIM: SvanhildrV _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 23:12:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30188 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:12:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22458; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25398 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:16:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.mts.net (smtp1.mts.net [205.200.16.74]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25392 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:16:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mb.sympatico.ca (wnpgas04-p20.mts.net [205.200.53.178]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04264 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:16:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37D734B3.EFDF1AA6@mb.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:16:51 -0500 From: Dianne Kristoff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Dressed & out of the closet! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dianne Kristoff Such pressure on us lurkers....but a great opportunity to stumble into the list. At the tender age of 52 years I have just begun grad school. My focus is undergarments of the 18th and 19th century. At the moment my knowledge is general but not without background. Since I love the idea of fun, I'm hoping to do some specific work on the boudoir of some dazzling beauties of that time frame. Even better than fun, I love suggestions! Whew....I did it. Dianne _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 23:16:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30195 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:16:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23248; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:32:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26965 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:30:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (ogopogo.flash.net [209.30.6.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26958 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:30:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flash.net (p187.amax19.dialup.hou1.flash.net [209.30.68.187]) by ogopogo.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05773 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:30:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37D73777.F0138A0F@flash.net> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:28:39 -0500 From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? References: <19990908233456.19196.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> <010201befa59$19076160$de3daccf@e4c2n6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Charlene Charette Penny Ladnier wrote: > Alright, introverts, stop pausing, and start talking. Let's make Thursday, > 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day. We stop talking for ONE day, and let the > introverts speak! We are listening now, its your forum! > > Later... Penny (One of the Extros, along with Margo, Charlene , > R.L. Shep, Sally, Sarah, Albert Cat, Jennie, Drea, Fran, gee, if I left any > of you extros out, I'm sorry. This is the last you will hear from me until > 9/10/99) Actually, I don't post very often to this list. I think you're confusing me from the h-needlework list. :-) OK, so I'll wait until after Sep 10th to tell you about the letter I received from Vienna when I asked about the bliaut. --Charlene -- If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 23:24:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30219 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:24:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24344; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27874 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:38:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from alpha.pbc.adelphia.net (alpha.pbc.adelphia.net [24.48.21.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27865 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from antiquity.pbc.adelphia.net (surf12-151-182.pbc.adelphia.net [24.48.151.182]) by alpha.pbc.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA23931 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00a901befa7d$2fabd940$b6973018@pbc.adelphia.net> From: "Erica Pence" To: References: <19990909034710.THJO22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Subject: Re: H-COST: 9/9/99 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:38:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A6_01BEFA5B.A7860A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Erica Pence" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01BEFA5B.A7860A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, I confess, I am a lurker. What now? Forced to talk, you say. = What is this world coming to? Penny asked if the lurkers were introverts. I would have to say not = necessarily. I am primarily a lurker (with an occasional post) and am = actually quite the extrovert. By the time I have hit the keyboard at = the end of a long day, I am simply too tired to join in the many = interesting conversations on this list, as well as other lists I lurk. = Therefore, I have become perfectly content with reading. I enjoy the = questions, the answers, the informative posts, and admittedly even the = occasional argument. Hey, Jerry Springer is just too much for me. I = will settle with a good costuming debate any day. Margo mentioned that it would be tough for her not to post for "Lurkers = Speak Out Day" or whatever this is called. I am sure that many of us = lurkers would sooner enjoy reading your posts than trying to come up = with something to say. Hang in there, Margo, its just one day.=20 And finally, R.L. Shep wrote: <
Okay, I confess, I am a lurker.  What = now?  Forced=20 to talk, you say.  What is this world coming to?
 
Penny asked if the lurkers were introverts.  I = would have=20 to say not necessarily.  I am primarily a lurker (with an = occasional post)=20 and am actually quite the extrovert.  By the time I have hit the = keyboard=20 at the end of a long day, I am simply too tired to join in the many = interesting=20 conversations on this list, as well as other lists I lurk.  = Therefore, I=20 have become perfectly content with reading.  I enjoy the questions, = the=20 answers, the informative posts, and admittedly even the occasional=20 argument.  Hey, Jerry Springer is just too much for me.  I = will settle=20 with a good costuming debate any day.
 
Margo mentioned that it would be tough for her not = to post for=20 "Lurkers Speak Out Day" or whatever this is called.  I am sure that = many of=20 us lurkers would sooner enjoy reading your posts than trying to come up = with=20 something to say.  Hang in there, Margo, its just one day. =
 
And finally, R.L. Shep wrote:
<<Frankly I think I lurk a lot more than I = speak, but=20 obviously Penny does not
think so..... so there!
I think Penny may think you speak more than lurk = simply=20 because you and your site are often mentioned by satisfied costumers and = researchers. Take it as a compliment.  You are a popular = lurker on=20 this list.
 
Well, I for one, am now returning to my = lurking. =20 Actually I am going to bed early...it's only 12:30am.  = Yippee!
 
Happy Lurkers Day and all that other good = stuff!!
 
Erica Pence
Robes of Antiquity
www.robesofantiquity.com
= Online=20 store coming soon!
------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01BEFA5B.A7860A20-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 23:33:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30229 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:33:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25535; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:48:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28821 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:46:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1-1.bctel.ca (mail1.bctel.ca [207.194.28.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28810 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:46:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bc.sympatico.ca (clwk01m01-54.bctel.ca [209.52.192.54]) by mail1-1.bctel.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA05969 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D73BA0.6C6C6B53@bc.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:46:24 -0700 From: Marilyn Warren Organization: Crone's Sewing Circle and Terrorist Society X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Marilyn Warren I am a costuming newbie though I have been sewing for tens of years. I have made simple clothing, but nothing elaborate. I want to tackle a tougher project though. I think I need challenge to go forward. I am daunted by those on the list with soooooo much experience. Half the time I do not know what they are even talking about, but I look up the words and am getting better. I am learning all the time and have the courage to try a fancy gown, though still rather a simple one. I am in the process, taking my first baby steps. Alas, I still tear out as much as I sew, but when I get through removing stitches and re-sewing, it looks great. I aspire to doing it once and having it right. Sigh. One can dream. Sounds like Carol and I are at the same stage. We can commiserate with one another. Marilyn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 23:40:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30235 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:40:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26280; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:57:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29787 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:54:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vega.utulsa.edu (vega.utulsa.edu [129.244.1.81]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29781 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from utulsa.edu (Rppp2-76.net.utulsa.edu) by vega.utulsa.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with ESMTP id <0FHS000S60A5NX@vega.utulsa.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:54:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:52:30 -0500 From: Marc Carlson Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <37D73D0E.62B28B99@utulsa.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199909090234.UAA10480@net.indra.com> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Marc Carlson Both I and my wife are on the list. I tend to lurk since there are only a few topics I am disposed to share on, and she because she doesn't have much time to contribute. Marc (and Jennifer) Carlson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 23:44:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30240 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:44:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26607; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:00:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00433 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:58:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00427 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:58:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Morses3@aol.com Received: from Morses3@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6ZJIa01400 (4532) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6074c459.25089843@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:57:39 EDT Subject: H-COST: Lurking doesn't mean "not learning" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Morses3@aol.com I have "lurked" for about a year on this list, originally to pick up some inspiration for when I could start to really learn to sew, instead of jabbing at it like I had been. Along with inspiration, I've learned a huge amount from all the posters here, especially about methods of experimenting with patterns, sources for hard to find supplies, the best costume book reviews I've seen, to ALWAYS make a muslin first before cutting good fabric, and even how to get the cat smell out of that great chair I got at an auction! We may be lurkers, but I bet I'm not the only one with boxes full of patterns, shelves full of books, a sketchbook of plans, drawers full of fabric and lots of questions once I get started..... Watch out, we'll take over the list someday :-) Perry Morse _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 23:46:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30247 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:46:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26788; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:02:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00708 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:00:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from alpha.pbc.adelphia.net (alpha.pbc.adelphia.net [24.48.21.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00699 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from antiquity.pbc.adelphia.net (surf12-151-182.pbc.adelphia.net [24.48.151.182]) by alpha.pbc.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id BAA20397 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00ba01befa80$489f2620$b6973018@pbc.adelphia.net> From: "Erica Pence" To: References: <37D734B3.EFDF1AA6@mb.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: H-COST: Dressed & out of the closet! Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:00:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B7_01BEFA5E.C0C41BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Erica Pence" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01BEFA5E.C0C41BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, I had to comment on this one before I am off to bed. Dianne wrote: < Good for you!=20 That reminds me of an unanswered question that a few of us were = discussing on another list awhile back (can't remember which one). The = question was something to the effect of did women of late 1800's (1880's = or 90's) tuck their chemise into their drawers, or leave them out? One = poster insisted that they left them out, although I saw a picture of a = chemise tucked into the drawers in one of my books. Was it the option = of the wearer or was there a trend? The poster with the question wanted = actual documentation. I am interested to know the answer to this from = someone with more expertise on the subject. Don't mean to put you on the = spot, Dianne. This question is open to anyone with a comment. =20 Thanks! =20 Erica Pence Robes of Antiquity www.robesofantiquity.com Online store coming soon! ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01BEFA5E.C0C41BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh, I had to comment on this one before I am off to=20 bed.
 
Dianne wrote:
<<At the tender age of 52 years I have just = begun grad=20 school.  My focus
is undergarments of the 18th and 19th = century. =20 At the moment my
knowledge is general but not without background=20 <snip>
 
Good for you! 
 
 That reminds me of an unanswered question that = a few of=20 us were discussing on another list awhile back (can't remember which = one). =20 The question was something to the effect of did women of late 1800's = (1880's or=20 90's) tuck their chemise into their drawers, or leave them out?  = One poster=20 insisted that they left them out, although I saw a picture of a = chemise=20 tucked into the drawers in one of my books.  Was it the option of = the=20 wearer or was there a trend?  The poster with the question wanted = actual=20 documentation.   I am interested to know the answer to = this from=20 someone with more expertise on the subject. Don't mean to put you on the = spot,=20 Dianne.  This question is open to anyone with a comment. =20
 
Thanks! 
 
Erica Pence
Robes of Antiquity
www.robesofantiquity.com
= Online=20 store coming soon!
------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01BEFA5E.C0C41BA0-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 23:52:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30257 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:52:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27452; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:09:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01728 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:07:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01719 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:07:30 -0600 (MDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6YXHa02400 (4227) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:06:29 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Lurking doesn't mean "not learning" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com In a message dated 9/8/1999 21:59:03 Pacific Daylight Time, Morses3@aol.com writes: << We may be lurkers, but I bet I'm not the only one with boxes full of patterns, shelves full of books, a sketchbook of plans, drawers full of fabric and lots of questions once I get started..... Watch out, we'll take over the list someday :-) >> This is delightful! what a chorus of unheard from souls.... all responding to a teensy little challenge to be heard. Well done, Penny! Now if we can get them to contribute more often. Stories of what you all do with those shelves of books, sketchbooks and drawers of fabric Angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Costumes & Custom Clothing Theatrical Costume Design "If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumbered here, while these visions did appear." A Midsummer Night's Dream; V, ii - W. Shakespeare QUICK-LINK: http://come.to/costumes FULL URL: http://sj.znet.com/~thespian/angil/index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 23:57:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30262 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:57:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27977; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:14:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02187 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:12:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from boomer.brightok.net (boomer.brightok.net [206.30.97.13]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02177 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:11:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.brightok.net (springer1p44.cld.brightok.net [206.30.113.44]) by boomer.brightok.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11652 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:11:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37D743F8.424A9ED@mail.brightok.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:22:01 -0500 From: The Mulders X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? References: <199909090234.UAA10480@net.indra.com> <37D73D0E.62B28B99@utulsa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: The Mulders I'd like to introduce myself to the list and admit I'm a lurker. I work for the national park service as a ranger. I'm also an artist (environmental art mostly in oils) and a historic costumer. I've designed and made garments for my own business and as a house fashion designer. I have a degree in biology and chemistry with a recent background in microbiology research. I have two grown boys and a cowboy husband. I read most of the list but not all, no extra time. I do have a request, does anyone know of someone [N. Texas or Oklahoma] who has an useable sidesaddle to "loan" for a living history program in December? Thanks, Ninya _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Wed Sep 8 23:58:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30266 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:58:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28189; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:15:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02375 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:13:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA02367 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:13:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 90407 invoked from network); 9 Sep 1999 05:13:28 -0000 Received: from 207-229-148-184.d.enteract.com (HELO lynnx.enteract.com) (207.229.148.184) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 05:13:28 -0000 Message-ID: <37D76682.1FA4@enteract.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:49:22 -0700 From: lynnx X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #542 References: <199909090500.XAA00731@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: lynnx > Actually, I don't post very often to this list. I think you're confusing me > from the h-needlework list. :-) OK, so I'll wait until after Sep 10th to tell > you about the letter I received from Vienna when I asked about the bliaut. Hey, did it have any info the rest of us could use? (I don't care if it's in Italian, I can always get a dictionary :-) Heather ( on-and-off extro, whether I know anything or not) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 00:05:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30280 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:05:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28682; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:21:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03181 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:19:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03165; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:19:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id OAA00559; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:49:34 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA04610; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:57:18 +0930 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:57:10 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #542 In-Reply-To: <37D76682.1FA4@enteract.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, lynnx wrote: > > -Poster: lynnx > > > Actually, I don't post very often to this list. I think you're confusing me > > from the h-needlework list. :-) OK, so I'll wait until after Sep 10th to tell > > you about the letter I received from Vienna when I asked about the bliaut. > > Hey, did it have any info the rest of us could use? (I don't care if > it's in Italian, I can always get a dictionary :-) > If it came from Vienna wouldn't it be in German? Claire (always a pedant :-) PS Never mind extrovert or not - tell us about that letter!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 00:11:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30286 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:11:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29068; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:27:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03779 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:25:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from eagle.sac.verio.net (root@eagle.sac.verio.net [207.159.5.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03770 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:25:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.159.15.75] (pm03-09.rose.sac.verio.net [207.159.15.75]) by eagle.sac.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA12389 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:25:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: kworley@mail.ns.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909090500.XAA00731@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:24:42 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Katrina Worley Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #542 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Katrina Worley > That reminds me of an unanswered question that a few of us were = >discussing on another list awhile back (can't remember which one). The = >question was something to the effect of did women of late 1800's (1880's = >or 90's) tuck their chemise into their drawers, or leave them out? One = >poster insisted that they left them out, although I saw a picture of a = >chemise tucked into the drawers in one of my books. Was it the option = >of the wearer or was there a trend? The poster with the question wanted = >actual documentation. I am interested to know the answer to this from = >someone with more expertise on the subject. My research indicates that it depends on the relationship between the length of the chemise and the width legs/length of the crotch on the drawers. IOW, early in the century, when the chemises tended to be long and the drawers narrow, they were generally worn untucked. By the end of the century as the chemises became shorter and the drawers wider with a longer crotch, they tended to be tucked in. In between, it depended on personal preference, and the cut of the individual undergarments. I'd put the 1880-90 time period towards the end of the "personal preference" range. The "combination" undergarment of the turn of the century is in effect a "tucked-in" chemise and drawers sewn together into one garment. Katrina (returning to lurk mode) Katrina in Loomis, CA kworley@ns.net *************** History: what special people were doing in special places at special times; Anthropology: what everyone else was doing the rest of the time. **K. Worley, 1997** _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 00:24:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30296 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:24:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29619; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:37:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04934 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:35:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04928 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:35:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.180] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11Owrl-0006Z8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:35:25 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 22:33:37 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990908212353.073582a0@pop.primenet.com> References: <19990909021409.29925.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 09:24 PM 09/08/1999 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: Svanhildr Valdimarsdottir >What she said! :-> > >Svanny Bless you, Svanny--there do seem to be a fair number of us, don't there! Gra/inne / Carol [living in the Province of Golden Rivers, working in the Shire of Windy Meads, Principality of Cynagua, Kingdom of the West--but usually encamped with the Shire of Crosston, Principality of the Mists, &c.] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 00:27:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30300 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:27:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29922; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:42:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05374 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:40:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05364 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:40:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.180] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11OwwO-0006sy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:40:12 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 22:38:22 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? In-Reply-To: <37D73777.F0138A0F@flash.net> References: <19990908233456.19196.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> <010201befa59$19076160$de3daccf@e4c2n6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 11:28 PM 09/08/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >-Poster: Charlene Charette >Actually, I don't post very often to this list. I think you're confusing me >from the h-needlework list. :-) OK, so I'll wait until after Sep 10th to tell >you about the letter I received from Vienna when I asked about the bliaut. > >--Charlene Aah...noooo. Write it now, and let me be your guineapig...then you can fwd. it to the list... {grin} Carol / Gra/inne _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 00:35:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30321 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:35:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00737; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06394 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:50:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.196]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06388 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EK26QSAJ; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 01:49:31 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? Message-ID: <19990908.212547.4791.1.cley@juno.com> References: <19990909021409.29925.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.19990908212353.073582a0@pop.primenet.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-12 From: cynthia j ley Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 01:49:31 EDT Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: cynthia j ley What they said! :-) Arlys >> As I am not at the level of expertise most others seem to be. I >>read, I try, I learn...I lurk...thus, am I ... Carol > >What she said! :-> > >Svanny ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 00:35:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30325 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:35:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00801; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:52:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06453 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:50:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hpdmgaaa.compuserve.com (dh-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.131]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06448 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:50:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.8) id BAA18645 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:49:34 -0400 From: Cat Devereaux Subject: H-COST: Unlurking for 9-9-99 - long To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Message-ID: <199909090149_MC2-8418-E5B5@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id XAA06449 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Cat Devereaux I'll have to pop up a day early, because I'll be one of those computer nerds baby-sitting the computers tomorrow for 9-9-99... Actualy have a few things to respond to on the current list anyway. RE: Steel Busk with more than 4 hooks: I think it just the length of the busk that determins how many hooks. I've got two from AlterYears, the longer one has 5 hooks. You can contact them at sales@alteryears.com or 626-585-2994. (Don't use the older CompuserServe e-mail address or I'll just end up forwarding it to the ladies at the store... and that will delay the order.) RE: Laughing moon pattern: I've used the instructions to make another corset, since they're that clear. (Used it as a base for a straight front 1900 corset.) People who've made that pattern and a number of the other Victorian corsets, swear by the comfort of the longer Laughing Moon pattern. It''s a later period than most, too. Re: Sizing a pattern up from the grids: Even a perfect enlargement takes a lot of adjustment. Our bodies are such differnet sizes than the historical garments. I've found it faster to "Sketch" it on gridded pattern paper. When I start, I know what size I need for waist, length, etc. and mark out some of those main points on the big paper. I do the match on how many squares I'm using vs. how many the drawing is using. Get out my calculated, figgure out the the percentage increase. (I'm bigger, what can I say.) Then I sketch in the details counts squares and adding the percentage. Sometimes pieces of a regular pattern get added in to fix curve, figure ease, change necklines, etc. After the base sketch, I check it lightly on the body and then start the muslin process. If I'm not sure at all, I don't even cut the paper out, I trace a muslin from it for the areas where I'm not sure the sizing when and then check the muslins on the body... changes go back to the pattern piecies. LARGE ERASER! When done, ink in the final lines. Date it and note the person it was fit on AND their weight and measurements at that time. Will save a lot of time later and there's only one big piece of paper to roll up later. I've found sizing up from grids better for Hunnisett since she lists the basic size the grid is for... so the ease is already built in. Example: Hunisett's victorina petticoat with circular ruffle: say the person the patern being made for is two inches shorter and the waist is 25% more. Don't add the number of inches to the waist. Count how many squares the top two waist points cover. Make a dot on the paper where the waist should start. Make the other dot the number of squares over on the picture grid PLUS 25 % more squares. Mark that dot. Sketch in the same waist line. For the hem line, start on the "straight". Mark the bottom MINUS the two inches differnet in heigth. (This is a straight line, the inches= squares.) Lightly mark where the original "dot" would be for the other bottom corner. Now do two bits of math. Move the dot out 25% more (to make up for the waist expansion) then calculate how high up to come. Here you need to know what percentage the 2" was of the original lengh becuase this subtraction of length must be a percentage. Calculate the percentage and mark your 4th dot!!! Use a ruler to draw in the line from the waist and sketch the hem. (You may need to check the square count to figure out exactly how to get the clean curve there.) Basic petticoat is done! Then need to adjust the circle ruffle the same way. That line you drew from waist to floor in the back adjusted the width of the circle. OK, are you confused yet. Don't worry. Just use your high school math. Remeber diagramming one square over, two up... put a dot. It can be done. My sister made her first pattern this way crawling around on the grid paper on the kitchen floor... while training her body for her wedding by wearing the straight front corset (I was taking about in the 1st part of the post)... while I was fussing with expanding the details on an Arnold 1901 bodice. (Seriously.... deadly seriously.) OK, back into lurk mode. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 00:38:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30332 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:38:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01034; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:55:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06672 for h-costume-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:53:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06665 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.180] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11Ox93-0007nr-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:53:18 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 22:51:28 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? In-Reply-To: <37D73BA0.6C6C6B53@bc.sympatico.ca> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 09:46 PM 09/08/1999 -0700, you wrote: -Poster: Marilyn Warren I aspire >to doing it once and having it right. Sigh. One can dream. Sounds >like Carol and I are at the same stage. We can commiserate with one >another. There seem to be a fair number of us out here. By all means, let us proceed! My next project is an Italian Renaissance 'camisa {spelling?], undergown, and overgown. I have med.-dk. blue cotton velveteen [easy to work with, natural fiber, &c.] for the overgown. I intend to make the chemise of the finest linen I can find. Anyone care to suggest an appropriate fabric for the undergown and appropriate trim? I was thinking possibly of a cream color...maybe brocade? When did moire became fashionable--not until much later, did it? And might be too lightweight? I live in an area known for getting up to 110 degrees F. in the summer sometimes [it's now in the 90's daily], and down as far as the 60's-70's evenings. Or in the wintertime between [degrees F. again] 40's - freezing. For any suggestions, thank you in advance for lending your expertise to my cause. -- Carol / Gra/inne _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 02:13:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06055 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 02:13:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05520; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:30:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15270 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:28:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA15265 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:28:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by shared1-mail.whowhere.com; Thu Sep 9 00:27:38 1999 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:27:38 -0700 From: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? X-Sender-Ip: 199.44.36.156 Organization: email.women.com (http://www.emailwomen.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" lol well I really don't fall into the intro/extro catagories. I have just felt so far that I had nothing really worth while to add tot he conversation. I'm fairly new at the actual construction of historic costume. I've been a small time collector/big time admirer since I was 11 or 12. From then on it's been a big part of my life...a main interest if you will. saw this list and felt that I should join because it would be a wonderful chance to learn. I'm planning on getting married in the not TOO terribly distant future and would love to have a vintage looking dress, what better way to get exactly what I want than to make it myself, right? So I'm here to observe and to learn. I've found a designer in the UK that makes very elaborate dresses (wedding/special ocassion) if I can't manage to make one myself I'll resort back to her I suppose. Her dresses are beautiful but you know there is always one thng about a dress that just doesn't seem right, whether it be colour or fabric, o! r a button you don't like. For perfection (at least in your own eyes) it's best to do it yourself :) lol then you have noone else to blame. Well there, I contributed! Oh I have a question... I remember reading in ...Victoria I think it was, that there was a museum in New England ...Rochester (although I can't remember if it was NY or MA)of costume and that they rented some of their dresses for weddings etc. Does anyone know of this museum or if they still do this? Ginn --- Ginnaphure ICQ# 41340093 "Last time we mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the stake." On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:09:12 The Purple Elephant wrote: > >-Poster: The Purple Elephant > >On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Penny Ladnier wrote: > >> >> Alright, introverts, stop pausing, and start talking. Let's make Thursday, >> 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day. We stop talking for ONE day, and let the >> introverts speak! We are listening now, its your forum! >> >> Later... Penny (One of the Extros, along with Margo, Charlene , >> R.L. Shep, Sally, Sarah, Albert Cat, Jennie, Drea, Fran, gee, if I left any >> of you extros out, I'm sorry. This is the last you will hear from me until >> 9/10/99) >But the 9/10 is halfway over here. Oh you mean the 10/9...whoops. >*grin* >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, >Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" >and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson >friendly substance. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 04:12:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26935 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 04:12:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10308; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 03:29:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18157 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 03:26:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (mc-qout4.whowhere.com [209.185.123.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA18047 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 03:26:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by my-deja.com; Thu Sep 9 02:25:45 1999 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 02:25:45 -0700 From: "Mary HInton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: H-COST: Tudor/18C stays and shoulder straps X-Sender-Ip: 194.168.5.49 Organization: My Deja Email (http://www.my-deja.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Mary HInton" Re Tudor stays and the teenager who didn't like the shoulder straps. I think both N Waugh and Cunnington state that the shoulder straps also serve to narrow the back and expand the chest - this is more than just keeping the stays in place. I am sure a present day teenager might find this a bit uncomfortable. I have seen pictures of 18C stays where the shoulder strap goes from the high boned back, forward and down over the shoulder and fastens quite a way back under the arm. I am not sure if this was to give the wide neckline, and/or to pull the shoulders back. ---Mary --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 05:59:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA27004 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:59:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14668; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:16:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24560 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:14:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sand.global.net.uk (sand.global.net.uk [195.147.248.109] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA24554 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pecs05a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.229.237] helo=WAL-LHIGGINS) by sand.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11P29M-0001WA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:13:56 +0100 X-Sender: duchess@mail.globalnet.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:59:51 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Elizabeth Higgins Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? In-Reply-To: <010201befa59$19076160$de3daccf@e4c2n6> References: <19990908233456.19196.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Elizabeth Higgins At 20:20 08/09/99 -0400, you wrote: >Are our lurkers introverts???? In no way am I an introvert! If you said that to any of my friends they would have a laughing fit. It's just that at the moment I have very little to offer. My house is far too small to do any dressmaking in, so I shall be buying a new and bigger place in a few months. Then I shall set up my sewing machine (unused so far) and start to learn what all you good people take for granted. All I can say is watch out for a whole mess of questions when that happens, you may regret asking people to crawl out of the woodwork . In the meantime I lurk and read with great interest, particularly the postings related to the late Victorian era, which is my main period of interest. Lissa (well I hate Liz) aka The Duchess (well I did say I was an extrovert ) People are always blaming their circumstances for what they are. I don't believe in circumstances. The people who get on in this world are the people who get up and look for the circumstances they want, and, if they can't find them, make them. -- George Bernard Shaw, "Mrs. Warren's Profession," 1893 _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 06:06:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27025 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:06:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14875; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:23:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25176 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:21:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snip.net (mail.snip.net [209.204.64.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25170 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:21:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ouppc [209.204.82.96] by snip.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A72A208700CE; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 07:16:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01befab5$6660d840$6052ccd1@ouppc> From: "Vince Lyons" To: References: <19990908233456.19196.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> <010201befa59$19076160$de3daccf@e4c2n6> Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:21:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Vince Lyons" ----- Original Message ----- > -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > > Alright, introverts, stop pausing, and start talking. Let's make Thursday, > 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day. We stop talking for ONE day, and let the > introverts speak! We are listening now, its your forum! > > Later... Penny (One of the Extros, along with Margo, Charlene , > R.L. Shep, Sally, Sarah, Albert Cat, Jennie, Drea, Fran, gee, if I left any > of you extros out, I'm sorry. This is the last you will hear from me until > 9/10/99) Gracious! I've woken up to 52 messages in my inbox this morning, SOMEONE certainly must be speaking out! Hmm, I think that in the year or so I've been on this list I've made at *least* 8 posts, and this doesn't qualify me as an extro!? ;-) Keep having fun and dispensing the wonderful information everyone, I'm sliding back into the shadows now. :-D Kerrie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 06:33:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27044 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:33:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15919; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:50:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27551 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:48:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.zrz.tu-berlin.de (mail.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.4.15]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA27543 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:48:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from coal.bg.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.43.192]) by mail.zrz.tu-berlin.de with smtp (EXIM-3.03) for id 11P2gd-00038n-00; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:48:19 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990909134602.00949340@130.149.12.212> X-Sender: barbara@130.149.12.212 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:46:02 +0200 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Barbara Maren Winkler Subject: H-COST: Thursday, 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day In-Reply-To: <199909090926.DAA19913@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id FAA27547 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Barbara Maren Winkler I have posted twice in the last two months, do I count as an introvert? I am currently writing up my Ph.D. thesis (which is in _mining_, not _costuming_) and don't have much _time_. I still have in my mind, when all this is over and I'm awaiting my baby, to take up the idea again of a new FAQ list. Things I haven't said: People always contend that there were no buttons in the middle ages. I don't know what kinds of buttons you mean, but when I was in the Danish Nationalmuseet in Kopenhagen in May, they had two complete outfits on display from the medieval period in Denmark (which began later than elsewhere, around 1000). These outfits were obviously replicas of dresses found at excavations or in bogs. And the sleeves did have buttons, a long row of small fabric-covered buttons all down the outside of the underarm, to get the narrow sleeve closed. I just don't find my notes on it. It was 11th or 12th century. When I was in the Berlin National Gallery the other day, I noticed that in the early 1500 paintings, everybody had sleeves not sewn closed, but pinned around the arm, and sometime the detail was elaborate: so, sometimes, they were obviously closed with little straps, and sometimes with little buttons as well. On many paintings from the 1500s and 1600s, I noticed slashes in people's clothes through which the undergarment showed. These slashes were sometimes decorative (as for sleeves), but more often functional, to allow for ease without shaping tight garments around the knee, elbow, the knuckles of gloves, the hip, one time even the codpiece. Nowwhere was there an indication that the edges of these slashes were cared for in any way (so as not to fray). My theory is that outer garments were made of fulled wool, which doesn't fray. For those of you who read German and are interested in Victorian/Edwardian undergarments, there is a book I can recommend: "Das Buch der Wäsche." by Brigitta Hochfelden and Marie Niedner (reprint), hardback, ISBN: 3887460812, Price DEM 49.00 or EUR 25.05, available e.g. from amazon.de (www.amazon.de . Or try www.buchhandel.de). The original from around 1900 (no year given :-( ) is about all aspects of undergarments and household linen, construction, embroidery, signing, whitework, care, washing, etc., with many drawings/etchings and 5 pattern sheets. A beautiful reprint edition from 1988. There you are! Happy 9/9/99 to all! Hope your computers and databases will make it! Barbara Maren -- Barbara Maren Winkler barbara@math.tu-berlin.de _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 06:57:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27074 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:57:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17748; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29732 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:12:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (pop1.cyberhighway.net [209.161.0.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA29725 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:12:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909091212.GAA29725@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 8845 invoked from network); 9 Sep 1999 06:12:10 -0600 Received: from ts26-17.boi.cyberhighway.net (HELO kathy) (209.161.8.131) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 06:12:10 -0600 From: "K & J Hopkins" To: Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:17:48 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "K & J Hopkins" Whoa! > Actually, I don't post very often to this list. I think you're confusing me > from the h-needlework list. :-) > --Charlene > > -- > If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. H-needlework list? Please tell me more! Kathlene _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 07:23:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27110 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:23:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19340; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:40:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02400 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:37:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA02393 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:37:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mamabear from [207.13.31.71] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.405) with smtp for sender: id ; Thu, 9 Sep 99 07:37:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <014401befabf$aff948c0$0200a8c0@mamabear.stormypetrel.com> From: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" To: Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:34:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" Yes, for the most part I am a lurker. I do this for many reasons...time, learning what other people think, not much to contribute....but I do post an occasional response when I feel it is necessary. I do that on all the lists that I am a member of. Carol Ross _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 07:57:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27150 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:57:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21372; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:14:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06199 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:11:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06194 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:11:49 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6BJNa00255 (3864) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:11:10 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Thursday, 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbraKat@aol.com Happy Inrovert's Day --as well, from another 'lurker'. Actually I've been doing costumning for almost 28 years, mostly 16th century, with side ventures into the Regency, the Georgian, and Edwardian periods.With my busy work and teaching schedule,I , too, often don't have the energy to post very much. And just when someone puts out a plea for help--and my fingers get itchy to reply , I notice the Extroverts jump right in. Which is fine--just as long as those questions get taken care of by someone. Anyway, I've enjoyed reading the discussions--and found them informative, as well as sometimes entertaining:) Cheers to all-- albra _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 08:04:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27188 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:04:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21907; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:21:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07182 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:18:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bert.acesag.auburn.edu (bert.acesag.auburn.edu [131.204.46.47]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07176 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:18:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from aces153.acesag.auburn.edu (aces153.acesag.auburn.edu [131.204.46.153]) by bert.acesag.auburn.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA29386; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:18:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:20:03 -0500 () From: "A. Benton" To: h-costume@indra.com cc: "A. Benton" Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: abenton@bert.acesag.auburn.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "A. Benton" Greetings to all fellow lurkers!! My name is Andrea, and I also lurk the corridors of the list. And like many, I am in the SCA...and have started taking more of an interest in making my garb more...."presentable" :-) I speak up every so often.... (now, back into lurking mode!) Andrea in Alabama _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 08:04:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27192 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:04:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21926; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:21:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07150 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:18:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07143 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:18:45 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6CMZa06251 (4569) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2f7c6728.25090d8d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:18:05 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Thursday, 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AnnBWass@aol.com In a message dated 9/9/1999 9:12:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, AlbraKat@aol.com writes: > and my fingers get itchy to reply > , I notice the Extroverts jump right in. Which is fine--just as long as > those > questions get taken care of by someone. But please, be sure you jump in if you see some misinformation in reply! Unfortunately, there seems to be some of that on this list. (I don't count myself as a lurker--I chime in rather often, if the inquiry is in my area of interest/expertise.) Ann Wass _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 08:07:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27235 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:07:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22283; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:24:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07673 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:22:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07668 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:22:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cc1010062a ([24.3.134.203]) by mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990909132230.HAQD9848.mail.rdc1.nj.home.com@cc1010062a> for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:22:30 -0700 Message-ID: <01a701befac4$5c3713c0$cb860318@avnl1.nj.home.com> From: "Kyna Grannd" To: References: <19990909021409.29925.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.19990908212353.073582a0@pop.primenet.com> Subject: H-COST: Wool Question Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:08:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Kyna Grannd" I don't know if I'm an "in" or an "ex" but I have a question just the same. Before I send back this wool that I thought was at least 13 oz. Does anyone know of any uses in medieval/renaissance periods of a lightweight wool such as a gabardine? It's really lovely material and if I was inclined to make myself a dress suit, it would be of this material. As it turns, I was intending to make some capes and trews from it and wanted a heavier weight. Thanks in advance. ~Kyna (who sometimes lurks...sometimes saves posts to read later and sometimes even butts into the conversation) ---- ICQ#12859312 Grannd Garb Historic Clothing, Supplies and Accessories http://GranndGarb.com http://TheMarketSquare.com COMING SOON!! Ask for details about your selling space now. ----- Original Message ----- From: Svanhildr Valdimarsdottir To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 12:24 AM Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? > > -Poster: Svanhildr Valdimarsdottir > > At 07:32 PM 09/08/1999 , you wrote: > > > >-Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" > > > > As I am not at the level of expertise most others seem to be. I > >read, I try, I learn...I lurk...thus, am I ... Carol > > What she said! :-> > > Svanny > > > Svanhildr Valdimarsdottir )O( > Barony of Gyldenholt, Kingdom of Caid > kittykat@primenet.com > ICQ: 12691776 (NyteRaevyn) > AIM: SvanhildrV > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 08:16:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27285 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:16:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23027; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:33:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08948 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:31:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08935 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (209-122-238-163.s163.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.238.163]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00161 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003101befac8$e114ea00$a3ee7ad1@pavilion> From: "Andrea Gideon" To: References: <19990909021409.29925.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.19990908212353.073582a0@pop.primenet.com> <01a701befac4$5c3713c0$cb860318@avnl1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Wool Question Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:40:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Andrea Gideon" > Does anyone know of any uses in medieval/renaissance periods of a > lightweight wool such as a gabardine? It's really lovely material and if I > was inclined to make myself a dress suit, it would be of this material. As > it turns, I was intending to make some capes and trews from it and wanted a > heavier weight. > > Thanks in advance. > > ~Kyna (who sometimes lurks...sometimes saves posts to read later and > sometimes even butts into the conversation) You could make a cotehardie (14th cent) or Elizabethan. How much do you have? If you have enough, it could make a beautiful houppleande. Andrea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 08:16:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27289 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:16:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23071; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:33:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09011 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:31:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lib.uttyl.edu (lib.uttyl.edu [192.88.13.225]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA09005 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:31:23 -0600 (MDT) From: VICKI@lib.uttyl.edu Received: by lib.uttyl.edu for H-COSTUME@indra.com; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 8:33:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 8:33:20 -0500 To: H-COSTUME@indra.com Message-Id: <990909083320.15a4@lib.uttyl.edu> Subject: Re: H-COST: Thursday, 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: VICKI@lib.uttyl.edu Another lurker timidly raises her hand.....My name is Vicki Betts, and although I'm a frequent poster on cw-reenactors, I only occasionally post a question on h-costume. I mostly do American Civil War era clothing, and my current research interest is Confederate homespun dresses. In fact, week after next I have another research trip to Georgia and Tennessee (after Chickamauga) to see dresses at Brenau University, Tallulah Gorge State Park, Museum of Appala- chia, and a dress in private hands. This will all go towards a slide show/ talk for a conference in Athens, GA, next summer. When I'm not doing Civil War, I range from the Texas War of Independence (1836) to Wild West (1889). My main problem is that I tend to research too much and sew too little! Vicki Betts vbetts@gower.net vicki@lib.uttyl.edu _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 08:31:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27351 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:31:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24455; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:47:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10887 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:45:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10879 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip204.an1-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.12.204]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17906 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D7BA65.82521907@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:47:18 -0400 From: Laurel Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03C-NSCP (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: meep! References: <199908112032.OAA24942@email.boisestate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Laurel Wilson >From a (mostly) lurker: I lurk because--I guess I have to come out of the closet about this--I don't sew! [gasp]. So I never have anything to contribute to the technical discussions. I'm a grad student (same age as you, Dianne, and I'd love to hear from you off the list), working on the birth of fashion in the fourteenth century. I get tremendously valuable information from all of you, and contribute when I can, but it's rare that I have something to say that you guys don't already know! Lauri _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 08:32:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27367 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:32:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24721; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:49:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11188 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:47:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chupacabras.flash.net (chupacabras.flash.net [209.30.6.16]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11180 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:47:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flash.net (p175.amax34.dialup.hou1.flash.net [209.30.71.175]) by chupacabras.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18812 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:47:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37D7BBAB.3764A7A6@flash.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 08:52:43 -0500 From: "V. Renee Bedford" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep! References: <199909090234.UAA10480@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "V. Renee Bedford" Carol, love it..."I lurk; therefore, I am!" So here's my delurking question: Can anyone refer me to (especially men's) Tudor commercial patterns? I'm no historian, and certainly don't have the huevos to call myself a costumer, but am under the impression that most available are Elizabethan. Specifically, I haven't found a pattern for the low-neck skirted jerkin worn over a doublet, a la Henry's VIII's Holbein portrait. There, that wasn't so hard! Thanks, Renée (on digest) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 08:35:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27381 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:35:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24941; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:51:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11459 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:48:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11454 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:48:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cc1010062a ([24.3.134.203]) by mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990909134843.HJPA9848.mail.rdc1.nj.home.com@cc1010062a> for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:48:43 -0700 Message-ID: <01f301befac8$06107e60$cb860318@avnl1.nj.home.com> From: "Kyna Grannd" To: References: <19990909021409.29925.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.19990908212353.073582a0@pop.primenet.com> <01a701befac4$5c3713c0$cb860318@avnl1.nj.home.com> <003101befac8$e114ea00$a3ee7ad1@pavilion> Subject: Re: H-COST: Wool Question Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:34:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Kyna Grannd" > -Poster: "Andrea Gideon" > You could make a cotehardie (14th cent) or Elizabethan. How much do you > have? If you have enough, it could make a beautiful houppleande. > Andrea > I have 25 yards of charcoal gray and 25 of coco brown. So I know I have more than enough. I was just so hesitant due to the weight. When compared to heavy weight wools, this gabardine looks modern to me :\ ~Kyna _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 08:36:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27385 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:36:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA25286; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:53:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11853 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:51:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chupacabras.flash.net (chupacabras.flash.net [209.30.6.16]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11839 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:51:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flash.net (p175.amax34.dialup.hou1.flash.net [209.30.71.175]) by chupacabras.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25559 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:51:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37D7BCAD.A9556B42@flash.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 08:57:01 -0500 From: "V. Renee Bedford" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Busks References: <199909090234.UAA10480@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "V. Renee Bedford" Megan, have you tried http://www.farthingales.on.ca/clasps.htm#busks ? HTH, Renée (delurking for 2nd time today!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 09:03:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27439 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:03:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28137; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:19:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16659 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:17:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16644 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:17:33 -0600 (MDT) From: DRGurley@aol.com Received: from DRGurley@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6UOP0t2Mjt (4530) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:15:39 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: 9/9/99 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: DRGurley@aol.com In a message dated 9/8/99 11:38:59 PM Central Daylight Time, antiquity@adelphia.net writes: > Penny asked if the lurkers were introverts. I would have to say not > necessarily. I am primarily a lurker (with an occasional post) and am > actually quite the extrovert. I am also a constant lurker who enjoys the various conversations and information I have gathered. The few posts I have made have received the most thoughtful, informative answers--thanks! As for being an introvert, HA! I am one of the most over-the-top extroverts you'd ever meet. I often just don't feel qualified or experienced enough to contribute much. We lurkers may be quiet, but I, for one, love this list! Dani G _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 09:06:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27443 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:06:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28472; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:23:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17344 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:20:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17338 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:20:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.163] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11P54B-0001Fs-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:20:47 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 07:18:58 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep! In-Reply-To: <37D7BBAB.3764A7A6@flash.net> References: <199909090234.UAA10480@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id IAA17339 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 08:52 AM 09/09/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >-Poster: "V. Renee Bedford" > >Carol, love it..."I lurk; therefore, I am!" Well, nearly...it was what I was playing on. :-) >So here's my delurking question: Can anyone refer me to (especially men's) Tudor >commercial patterns? Check the Green Duck on-line catalog. www.theducks.com. I vouch for Jania and Derek...they're good businesspeople and also very helpful--esp. Jania. Good luck! >There, that wasn't so hard! Thanks, Renée (on digest) Good to meet you...Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 09:08:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27447 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:08:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28651; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:24:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17674 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:22:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17661 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:22:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.163] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11P55r-0001Mm-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:22:31 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 07:20:41 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Wool Question In-Reply-To: <01f301befac8$06107e60$cb860318@avnl1.nj.home.com> References: <19990909021409.29925.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.19990908212353.073582a0@pop.primenet.com> <01a701befac4$5c3713c0$cb860318@avnl1.nj.home.com> <003101befac8$e114ea00$a3ee7ad1@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 09:34 AM 09/09/1999 -0400, you wrote: -Poster: "Kyna Grannd" >I have 25 yards of charcoal gray and 25 of coco brown. So I know I have more >than enough. I was just so hesitant due to the weight. When compared to >heavy weight wools, this gabardine looks modern to me :\ It does, because that's the setting we are used to seeing it in--but it drapes and hangs like a dream--I chose gabardine for my first houppelande and have been very happy with it overall. Gra/inne / Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 09:13:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27456 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:13:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29293; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:30:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18820 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:28:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (relay20.smtp.psi.net [38.8.20.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18813 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:28:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.60.242.74] (helo=wer.tiac.net) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for h-costume@indra.com id 11P5Ba-0004s0-00; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:28:26 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990909102740.0081c9f0@pop.tiac.net> X-Sender: wer@pop.tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:27:40 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Wayne&Bernice Subject: Re: H-COST: 9/9/99 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Wayne&Bernice We lurkers may be quiet, but I, for one, love this list! Dani And that goes for me also...Bernice _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 09:14:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27460 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:14:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29380; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:31:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18975 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:29:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web1301.mail.yahoo.com (web1301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.151]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA18967 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:29:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990909143128.21951.rocketmail@web1301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.54.226.52] by web1301.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 07:31:28 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:31:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Megan Irvine Subject: Re: H-COST: Laughing Moon corset (was OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep!) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Megan Irvine I guess I am one of the quiet ones here. Anyway, I bought the Laughing Moon pattern and I'm happy with it so far, but I'm used to having to make adjustments. I made the Dore style corset, the one without the bust gores, and I started with my size--20. I shortened the pattern pieces by 1" (because I am petite) and I ended up taking it in 2" because I wanted to be able to lace it tighter. The finished product gave me a nice silhouette, but I still want to make more adjustments. When laced up, there is a bigger gap in the lacing at the bottom of the corset (at my hips), because I found that if I lace it too tight in the hips, it cuts off my circulation. It maybe could be a wee bit tighter in the waist, too. I don't think it will be that hard to make these adjustments. I found the pattern to be easy to work with. I also recently made the chemise, and it worked out fine in my size without having to make any adjustments. I think I would eventually like to put together an 1870s gown, but for what purpose, I don't know. I don't belong to a costumers guild or anything like that. I'm just curious about this period (and many others). My husband thinks it's weird that I go through all the effort to make something that I end up wearing around the house. Meep. --- Harvey Georgia wrote: > > -Poster: Harvey Georgia > > meep. > > No, really. I usually only post when I have > something *specific* to say. > That, or time to say it. > > Georgia > back to mostly lurking. when I start making my vict. > corset, you'll hear > from me all right. > > actually... on that note.... I was planning to buy > the pattern that Laughing > Moon sell. Does anyone have experience with this? > > http:www.lafnmoon.com (I think... please correct if > I'm wrong) > G > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > === Megan Irvine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 09:15:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27464 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:15:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29452; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19050 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:29:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19041 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:29:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990909142946.RZXY16271.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:29:46 -0700 Message-ID: <37D7C461.FA1AFB9@home.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:29:53 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST:Men's Tudor (was OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep! References: <199909090234.UAA10480@net.indra.com> <37D7BBAB.3764A7A6@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kat & Kent "V. Renee Bedford" wrote: > > So here's my delurking question: Can anyone refer me to (especially > men's) Tudor commercial patterns? I'm no historian, and certainly > don't have the huevos to call myself a costumer, but am under the > impression that most available are Elizabethan. > Specifically, I haven't found a pattern for the low-neck skirted > jerkin worn over a doublet, a la Henry's VIII's Holbein portrait. There are none by the Big Three yet but there *is* a Medieval Miscellania pattern. Check with Alter Years & Renaissance Times...I've also see it elsewhere but can't remember offhand and I'm right in the middle of sewing a Girl Scout leader uniform, making brownie name tags and assorted other things while trying to find all the lost items around the house and figuring out how to pay for two root canals! If you can size up at all it's also in Holkeboer's book but you'll have to tweak the pattern more depending on the person for whom you are fitting it. Kat the exhausted! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 09:20:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27474 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:20:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29977; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20174 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:34:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web1303.mail.yahoo.com (web1303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.153]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA20162 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:34:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990909143632.3252.rocketmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.54.226.52] by web1303.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 07:36:32 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:36:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Megan Irvine Subject: Re: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Megan Irvine I bought the busk for my Laughing Moon corset at Greenberg and Hammer and I think it's a 12" busk. They also had 14". I think that the pattern might call for 13" and I couldn't find that anywhere. 12" works ok for me because I am petite and I shortened the pattern anyway. I am not at home to check dimensions on things so I THINK that's what I used. Farthingale's seems to have a bigger selection: http://www.farthingales.on.ca/clasps.htm#busks but I've never ordered from them. --- Megan McHugh wrote: > > -Poster: "Megan McHugh" > > >actually... on that note.... I was planning to buy > the pattern that > Laughing > >Moon sell. Does anyone have experience with this? > > > I just bought the pattern and am planning on getting > around to it soon. > Does anyone have a good source for the busk closure > pictured on the pattern > envelope? Greenberg and Hammer show one in their > catalog, but say they have > only 4 hooks. The one pictured has at least 6 > (pattern is not in front of > me at the moment). > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > === Megan Irvine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 09:46:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27490 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:46:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03321; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:03:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26304 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:00:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26290 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:00:53 -0600 (MDT) From: BlueMoonYD@aol.com Received: from BlueMoonYD@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6RAP_Fw3X_ (3935) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:00:18 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 52 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: BlueMoonYD@aol.com Um, hi, my name's Yvonne, and I'm a lurker. Last time I did the personality test I was almost evenly balanced between introvert and extrovert. I'm trying to stop making costumes to sell and actually make things for me, but I've discovered through this list that I have a lot to learn about accuracy. I do have a question, though. When I was in London this summer, I was told the Museum of London had just found the burial site of a noble Roman woman circa 2nd century AD in Spitalfields. Has anyone heard anything more about this? Thanks for all the wonderful information! Yvonne _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 10:03:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27512 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:03:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05348; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:19:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00741 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:17:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00724 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:17:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id IAA22601; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D7CFF9.C1DE7230@serv.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 08:19:22 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Wool Question References: <19990909021409.29925.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.19990908212353.073582a0@pop.primenet.com> <01a701befac4$5c3713c0$cb860318@avnl1.nj.home.com> <003101befac8$e114ea00$a3ee7ad1@pavilion> <01f301befac8$06107e60$cb860318@avnl1.nj.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > I have 25 yards of charcoal gray and 25 of coco brown. So I know I have more > than enough. I was just so hesitant due to the weight. When compared to > heavy weight wools, this gabardine looks modern to me :\ Actually in medieval through elizabethan times, fine wool was very much the norm for the higher classes. Heavy rough wool is the figment of the imagination of Hollywood etc... If I had that much I would make a cotehardie, a houppeland, and elizabethan, two light cloaks for warmer weather, some trews, and a blanket or two for my bed. heh heh. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 10:35:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27558 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:35:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10510; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:52:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09968 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:50:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (IDENT:root@sm0101.promedia.net [209.160.170.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09959 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from j9g8x8 (ppp-209-160-171-76.01.promedia.net [209.160.171.76]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA12977 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:50:01 -0700 Message-ID: <005501befadb$4a43ed20$4caba0d1@j9g8x8> From: "Broneske" To: "H-Costume" Subject: H-COST: Delurking Day Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:52:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Broneske" Well, I delurk sometimes, mostly to ask questions. I don't generally answer them because at lot of them have to do with Medieval, Renaissance and Elizabethan and I don't know enough about those times periods to help anyone. I'm more of a Jack-of-all-Trades, Master-of-None. I have an interest in all time periods, but I'm not an expert in any one. I'm currently working on a reproduction of the Titanic Jump Dress, which I hope to finish by Christmas time so I can wear it to my husband's company party. I have to admit, though, I was getting a bit obsessive the other day when I couldn't find the EXACT buttons that I needed and I was on the Internet for hours and driving around to every store with buttons that I could find, so I decided to make them from some buttons that were close. Glad I did too, because they are exactly what I wanted. I have been making costumes, probably since I was 10, with varying degrees of authenticity :) I have made everything from Egyptian (when I was 10, not very historically accurate) to Xanadu (from the movie) to Grease (our high school used to have an annual 50's dance), so a little bit of historical, a little bit of Hollywood. I've also done 1850s and 1870-1880s stuff too. Now, if I can only find some red, satin ankle boots........ Joan Broneske unicorn@softcom.net @-->---------------- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 10:47:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27568 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:47:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12130; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:03:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12500 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:01:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from public.ndh.com (public.ndh.net [194.97.97.21]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12430 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:00:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Andrea (port008.koeln.ndh.net [195.94.92.8]) by public.ndh.com (8.8.7/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA20437 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:00:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37D54492.8CC866FD@ndh.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 19:00:03 +0200 From: Andrea Clef X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: Back again X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5D76B077645BA7C9C81F587D" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Andrea Clef --------------5D76B077645BA7C9C81F587D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello ! > http://farthingales.on.ca has spoon busks & reg. hook-and-eye type busks. > They also sell the pattern as a corset kit. I'm considering getting it, but > it includes the german plastic boning. The lady I emailed said that it was > much better than Rigilene, but I'm very wary.. Anyone have any experience > with German plastic stuff? > > Kris > delurking... :] > Well, this question gives me the opportunity to participate here again after a break andcontribute something hopefully helpful ;-). Yes, I have experiences with the German plastic boning, not surprisingly, as I am in Germany ;-). We used this for 18th century corset boning and it worked really well. It`s easy to cut if you have a cutter that`s sharp enough and it has got a smooth surface and can be well inserted into the sewn tunnels. It`s much more rigid than Rigilene and makes the corset look more period because the plastic isn`t seen on the outside or inside the corset. We tried to use it as a panier boning during our little baroque costume workshop over here as well, but for that purpose it`s too flexible and we had to take steel instead. So I would recommend it for corsets. Hope this helps, many greetings, Diana --------------5D76B077645BA7C9C81F587D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello !
  
http://farthingales.on.ca has spoon busks & reg. hook-and-eye type busks. 
They also sell the pattern as a corset kit. I'm considering getting it, but
it includes the german plastic boning. The lady I emailed said that it was 
much better than Rigilene, but I'm very wary.. Anyone have any experience 
with German plastic stuff?

Kris
delurking... :]
Well, this question gives me the opportunity to participate here again after a break andcontribute something hopefully helpful ;-).
Yes, I have experiences with the German plastic boning, not surprisingly, as I am in
Germany ;-).
We used this for 18th century corset boning and it worked really well.
It`s easy to cut if you have a cutter that`s sharp enough and it has got a smooth surface
and can be well inserted into the sewn tunnels.
It`s much more rigid than Rigilene and makes the corset look more period because the
plastic isn`t seen on the outside or inside the corset.
We tried to use it as a panier boning during our little baroque costume workshop over
here as well, but for that purpose it`s too flexible and we had to take steel instead.
So I would recommend it for corsets.

Hope this helps,
many greetings,
Diana
  --------------5D76B077645BA7C9C81F587D-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 11:42:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27638 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:42:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23192; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:58:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27355 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:56:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from falcon.canfield.com (falcon.canfield.com [206.191.139.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27344 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:56:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Leslie (u6-57.wa.net [206.191.135.121]) by falcon.canfield.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA25460 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:02:54 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990909094702.035bad40@mail.canfield.com> X-Sender: leslie@mail.canfield.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:55:54 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Leslie Helms Subject: H-COST: Wool gabardine/Lurkfest 9.9.99 In-Reply-To: <199909091348.HAA11479@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Leslie Helms Kyna, the lightweight wool you have sounds to me like a wonderful fabric for cotehardies, houppelandes, Burgundians, Tudor, Flemish, and Elizabethan. The weave is not out of time for those, although what exact documentation exists for those garments in that weave is beyond my knowledge. I do know that our modern wools are, on average, heavier and fuzzier than is right for many garments. I'd say you have an asset rather than a liability! It's fun to hear from the quieter list members. In particular, the birth of fashion in the 14th century sounds like a great topic, Lauri. Tell us more! Leslie "Yeah, you know, Flemish. From Flemland." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 11:51:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27674 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:51:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25246; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29348 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:04:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29336 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:03:58 -0600 (MDT) From: MargEvaPor@aol.com Received: from MargEvaPor@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6XVIa20496 (3861) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4633c458.25094254@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:03:16 EDT Subject: H-COST: Lurking & Learning, 9/9/99 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: MargEvaPor@aol.com In solidarity with the other so-called "introverts", I shall speak out today. I am a very satisfied member of this listserve. Although I can claim significant historical knowledge of costume--my very first costume book was James Laver's "Concise History" of, purchased at Williamsburg when I was about 10 yrs old--I must admit a shameful ignorance of sewing. During my years of theatre training I studied costume design, but was too lazy to participate in costume construction. Nowadays, as writer and social historian, my focus is British and Celtic cultures, roughly from the Elizabethan through the Victorian eras. I concentrated primarily on fashion and jewellery, until research for my 10th historical romance novel forced me into some rather intensive study of textile manufacture [printed linen, late 18th century]. I suspect my most recent post to this list was close to a year ago, when I needed info about how to access items in storage at the V&A in London. [My experiences while there, and at Bath, far exceeded my highest expectations.] I've never belonged to SCA. I occasionally attend Regency or Georgian era costume balls, mostly in connection with writers' conferences, and I have a little experience in period dancing. Because I can't make my own costumes, I create a design and a costumer takes it from there. Also, I purchase books from R.L. Shep, and am really jazzed to see that name pop up on the list from time to time. Many thanks for the shared wisdom and knowledge here, which I find entirely fascinating and extremely useful! Cheers, Margaret Evans Porter http://members.aol.com/MargEvaPor/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 11:59:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27728 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:59:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26980; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:15:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02066 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:13:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02047 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:13:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08669 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:13:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp228-183.worldonline.nl [195.241.228.183]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03102 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:13:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909091713.TAA03102@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: victorian manners book Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:35:45 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands > ><< n it a "wild west" bad guy questions the child with > > "Would you like me to blow a hole in your head?" >> > > > >Of course the proper Victorian reply is: > > > >"Oh my goodness no! [curtsey] But thank you very much for asking." > > > <::snort::> Not fair! Now I have to wipe Diet Pepsi off my monitor! > OK, but wasn't it worth the chuckle. Thanks, Albert, for making me laugh after a stressful day, Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 12:00:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27734 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:00:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27222; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:16:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02393 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:14:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m10.boston.juno.com (m10.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.195]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02378 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:14:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from annetteallen@juno.com) by m10.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EK4DSSBG; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:12:11 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:01:39 +0000 Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? Message-ID: <19990909.101015.-403639.1.AnnetteAllen@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,10-40 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Annette M Allen Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Annette M Allen Maybe we don't feel as qualified to speak on many of the issues as some of you... I enjoy my "morning mail", but usually by the time I think I might reply to something, someone else already has... (Hey, maybe that introverted "pause for thought" DOES have something to do with it.... Hmmm...) -Annette On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:20:15 -0400 "Penny Ladnier" writes: > > -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > > Are our lurkers introverts???? > > From the webpage article, Revenge of the Introverts > : > "Yet, silent as they may be, introverts can have a lot to say given > the > right forum. They've found that the internet can help them > communicate in > their preferred manner; a written dialogue with time to pause for > thought > and analysis. " > > Alright, introverts, stop pausing, and start talking. Let's make > Thursday, > 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day. We stop talking for ONE day, and > let the > introverts speak! We are listening now, its your forum! > > Later... Penny (One of the Extros, along with Margo, Charlene of you>, > R.L. Shep, Sally, Sarah, Albert Cat, Jennie, Drea, Fran, gee, if I > left any > of you extros out, I'm sorry. This is the last you will hear from > me until > 9/10/99) > http://www.costumegallery.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 12:07:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27771 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:07:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28359; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:23:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03992 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:21:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.nj.home.com [24.3.128.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03983 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:21:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cc1010062a ([24.3.134.203]) by mail.rdc1.nj.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990909172126.KCYS9848.mail.rdc1.nj.home.com@cc1010062a>; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:21:26 -0700 Message-ID: <025101befae5$bd970b40$cb860318@avnl1.nj.home.com> From: "Kyna Grannd" To: , References: <4.1.19990909094702.035bad40@mail.canfield.com> Subject: H-COST: Thank You WAS Re: Wool Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:07:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Kyna Grannd" Thanks to everyone that's been responding! Sheesh...I've been going by what I see at fairs and reenactments. I guess that considering the fact that the wool blends which are heavier, are also less expensive, it's no surprise that it is the choice of many other merchants. I'm *REALLY* excited about this wool now. I have a total of 75 yards including the black watch plaid worsted gabardine. I'm thinking along the lines of a few cotehardies and houpelandes and possibly an Elizabethan for myself (I'm in dire need of new garb but I keep putting it off until "after this next fair" or "after the Christmas rush" etc. ::sighs::) I'll let everyone know how these come out. I can see how with the drapability of this fabrice that the houpelands and cotehardies will be especially nice. ~Kyna _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 12:28:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27795 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:28:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24036; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:01:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28249 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:59:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.zebra.net (mail.zebra.net [209.12.13.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28226 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:59:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zebra.net ([209.12.238.2]) by mail.zebra.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:55:01 -0500 Message-ID: <37D7E77D.C66B6B9@zebra.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:59:41 -0500 From: Meribeth McCombs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Confederate Uniform Braid References: <005501befadb$4a43ed20$4caba0d1@j9g8x8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Meribeth McCombs Hi all... I'm defering to the greater knowledge of the list to help this lurker out of a jam. My husband needs his officer's frock coat finished by Wednesday and I have no idea as to the type and width of the braid used in the Austrian Knots on the Confederate frock coats. Can someone help me out? Also, how was the stuff attached to the coats? Thanks.... MeriBeth _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 12:30:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27804 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:30:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02882; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:46:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09603 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:43:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from alchemyweb.greateralchemy.net ([209.186.228.137]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA09558 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:43:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ELEMENTAL (unverified [209.30.236.168]) by alchemyweb.greateralchemy.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 12:53:16 -0500 Received: by ELEMENTAL with Microsoft Mail id <01BEFAC0.BAA394A0@ELEMENTAL>; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:42:08 -0500 Message-ID: <01BEFAC0.BAA394A0@ELEMENTAL> From: Carrie Veenstra To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Wool Question Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:13:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BEFAC0.BAA394A0" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carrie Veenstra ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEFAC0.BAA394A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I too, was just now fantasizing about having that much wonderful wool to play with...is there a support group? ;-> Carrie -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > I have 25 yards of charcoal gray and 25 of coco brown. So I know I have more > than enough. I was just so hesitant due to the weight. When compared to > heavy weight wools, this gabardine looks modern to me :\ Actually in medieval through elizabethan times, fine wool was very much the norm for the higher classes. Heavy rough wool is the figment of the imagination of Hollywood etc... If I had that much I would make a cotehardie, a houppeland, and elizabethan, two light cloaks for warmer weather, some trews, and a blanket or two for my bed. heh heh. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEFAC0.BAA394A0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IggRAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAoAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAARQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAGgtY29zdHVtZUBpbmRy YS5jb20AU01UUABoLWNvc3R1bWVAaW5kcmEuY29tAAAAAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAD MAEAAAAUAAAAaC1jb3N0dW1lQGluZHJhLmNvbQADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAWAAAA J2gtY29zdHVtZUBpbmRyYS5jb20nAAAAAgELMAEAAAAZAAAAU01UUDpILUNPU1RVTUVASU5EUkEu Q09NAAAAAAMAADkAAAAACwBAOgEAAAAeAPZfAQAAABQAAABoLWNvc3R1bWVAaW5kcmEuY29tAAIB 918BAAAARQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAGgtY29zdHVtZUBpbmRyYS5jb20AU01U UABoLWNvc3R1bWVAaW5kcmEuY29tAAAAAAMA/V8BAAAAAwD/XwAAAAACAfYPAQAAAAQAAAAAAAAC 2VQBBIABABoAAABSRTogSC1DT1NUOiBXb29sIFF1ZXN0aW9uABIIAQWAAwAOAAAAzwcJAAkADAAN ACAABAAlAQEggAMADgAAAM8HCQAJAAwACwAVAAQAGAEBCYABACEAAABCM0ZDNjVBMUFDNjZEMzEx OEMxQTAwQTAyNDkwMUFGNAAdBwEDkAYAzAYAACEAAAALAAIAAQAAAAsAIwAAAAAAAwAmAAAAAAAL ACkAAAAAAAMALgAAAAAAAwA2AAAAAABAADkAgDLepOb6vgEeAHAAAQAAABoAAABSRTogSC1DT1NU OiBXb29sIFF1ZXN0aW9uAAAAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAb765qTNoWX8tGasEdOMGgCgJJAa9AAAHgAe DAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABoAAABjYXJyaWVAZ3JlYXRlcmFsY2hlbXkubmV0AAAA AwAGEMhF/qEDAAcQ4wIAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAAElUT08sV0FTSlVTVE5PV0ZBTlRBU0laSU5HQUJP VVRIQVZJTkdUSEFUTVVDSFdPTkRFUkZVTFdPT0xUT1BMQVlXSVRISVNUSEVSRUFTVVBQT1JUR1JP VVA/Oy1DQVJSSUUtUE8AAAAAAgEJEAEAAACmAwAAogMAAB8FAABMWkZ11USNOAMACgByY3BnMTI1 FjIA+Atgbg4QMDMznQH3IAKkA+MCAGNoCsBgc2V0MCAHEwKAfbMKgAjIIDsJbw4wNQKAGQqBdWMA UAsDbGkzijYBQGMAQXVsbgIgAmULpiBJIHRvbxAsIHdhBCBqdXN3BUAVwAfgZgBwAZAAkHp5C4Bn IAGgCGAFQBEAdq0YUnQRAAVAbRRwaBbwewIgBIFmFaAZ8QbwFqEg1QtReRbwaRlgLhuwBAALGVEE kGUYgCBzdXAacAkRIAnACGBwPyC5EsAtPgqiCoQKgEMKwK8IgR3KFVEBQHADYHQFkLEFQC1Qbxdg BJA6BdAbBJAIYGQccBwRIFRywQpQIG9mIEIFsBXAAnYEkCA8a2VsdEUHMEARMHJ2LhXgdD0duz4W gRjxHFAOMCB5/wsRBCAiERDyBaAHQB0BG0EtAHBkJSIlwm8FoCBicQNgd24uBgAbABaQa/8XkiTF BGAJcCRGGWEDoAnw3QhgZxugFoEXB3MbABwg5wCQAZACMCBkIeEa8SGCqHdlaSqQdCgQVxwg+wOg BaBtCrEJgBahJEYcIO8ZABtRLQMak3MW4BlgG+E+ZwGgCxELgBxQCQBva58EIARlGvEHgB1wOlwy cNUd2UEgQHUHQGwbUAuA8zIRMNBldiZRGWAdISqQ+ypAFQB6AaARQCoSIxAHgf0W4GYw4hqjFwIi kRtQGbPzIYIVwHJtHcQCEAXAIYL3MEAqkCKhYwtgBBAHkCgQfCBILwM0xBqjG+Q2QWefB4AsESIR IYIHcGFnC4DdGYBpAiAiAR3ESAbwM7C3GqEm8BFAYxuxHXBJIiDfJMIuMRl3KtEIYGwm8ADA/yLg HGEFoCAgEQE0MRbgHHDaaB0xcCLwJtEsHcQm0v81KTARGgAxEC9zOaAmQDFR/ziyFwA4MCKhLPAZ gBwhFuDrK4AyIXQJcHcwASbSHHD3AmAAcCLgdB3EOMJEQTiy9m0bUDVwZDoRHCAZ4EmxWi4dy3kC MDBAYR3ELdItSpsgTAIgZx3EIQ97IhkdxEIKwAIgG1AiEU3XP3BPoR7VSxhRZANwIgKeQQOgB2BP FR3KIF9TP+9UT1VfVjtSxVREUS8BLGH/MEIAwAMQGFIVABdgRmEJ8GdAogMRMfJhagWwUTFv5kAL gFBAYS4twVLFG3IbTdMHgXM80BxQVU5TAFVCU0NSSUJFATowLUNPU1RVTRZFHcQR8QBe4AAAAwAQ EAAAAAADABEQAAAAAAMAgBD/////QAAHMMAPTFbm+r4BQAAIMMAPTFbm+r4BCwAAgAggBgAAAAAA wAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAA4UAAAAAAAADAASACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABShQAAtw0AAB4ABYAI IAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFSFAAABAAAABAAAADguMAADAAaACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAA AAABhQAAAAAAAAsAD4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAA6FAAAAAAAAAwAQgAggBgAAAAAAwAAA AAAAAEYAAAAAEIUAAAAAAAADABGACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAARhQAAAAAAAAMAFIAIIAYA AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABiFAAAAAAAAHgAkgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAANoUAAAEAAAAB AAAAAAAAAB4AJYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADeFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeACaACCAGAAAA AADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA4hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA9AAEAAAAFAAAAUkU6IAAAAAADAA00/TcA AGWY ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEFAC0.BAA394A0-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 12:48:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27876 for ; 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charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Thank you to all who sent suggestions on the corset "redistribution" problem, both personally and to the list. I have several things to try now. I have another question for when I get past that and finally start working on the Pelican gown. What method would you all suggest for the slashes in the sleeve head? I understand they were sometimes cut and waxed but I'm leaning toward facing each one. Even if some of them are slightly on the bias they look too long to just cut and leave as is. thanks, lisa Lisa Leong * <| lisaleon@hawaii.edu .^. * * .=.=.=. * * <| ^V V V^ <| \^ ^ ^/ | | \^ ^ ^/ | |^^^^| |^^^^| | | [] [] [] | | ":":":":...:":":":" | ~~~|________[oIo]________|~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 13:06:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27923 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:06:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09510; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:22:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18243 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:20:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx2.io.com (IDENT:root@mx2.io.com [199.170.88.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18235 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:20:11 -0600 (MDT) From: ches@io.com Received: from fnord.io.com (IDENT:ches@fnord.io.com [199.170.88.12]) by mx2.io.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA26822 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:20:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (ches@localhost) by fnord.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA07835 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:20:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: fnord.io.com: ches owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:20:06 -0500 (CDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Confederate Uniform Braid In-Reply-To: <37D7E77D.C66B6B9@zebra.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: ches@io.com My confederate buddie needs to know what rank your husband is. Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Meribeth McCombs wrote: > Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:59:41 -0500 > From: Meribeth McCombs > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: H-COST: Confederate Uniform Braid > > > -Poster: Meribeth McCombs > > Hi all... > > I'm defering to the greater knowledge of the list to help this lurker > out of a jam. My husband needs his officer's frock coat finished by > Wednesday and I have no idea as to the type and width of the braid used > in the Austrian Knots on the Confederate frock coats. Can someone help > me out? Also, how was the stuff attached to the coats? > > Thanks.... > > MeriBeth > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 13:13:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27941 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:13:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10728; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:29:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20015 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:27:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail3.anet.net (mail3.anet.net [216.2.98.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19995 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:27:09 -0600 (MDT) From: rima@anet.net Received: from [216.2.96.19] (216.2.96.210) by mail3.anet.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:34:13 -0800 X-Sender: rima@mail.anet.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909090500.XAA00731@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:58:37 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #542 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: rima@anet.net someone asked: >Does anyone have a good source for the busk closure pictured on the pattern >envelope? The most extensive collection of corset stuff I've EVER seen is at Richard the Thread. Floor to ceiling busks. check 'em out at http://richardthethread.com They also have the only Restoration era patterns I've ever seen. Rima _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 13:13:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27945 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:13:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10733; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:29:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20029 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:27:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail3.anet.net (mail3.anet.net [216.2.98.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20023 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:27:15 -0600 (MDT) From: rima@anet.net Received: from [216.2.96.19] (216.2.96.210) by mail3.anet.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:34:13 -0800 X-Sender: rima@mail.anet.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909090926.DAA19913@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:16:00 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #543 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: rima@anet.net >My next project is an Italian Renaissance 'camisa {spelling?], undergown, and overgown. I have med.-dk. blue cotton velveteen [easy to >work with, natural fiber, &c.] for the overgown. I intend to make the chemise of the finest linen I can find. Anyone care to suggest an >appropriate fabric for the undergown and appropriate trim? I was thinking possibly of a cream color...maybe brocade? When did moire became >fashionable--not until much later, did it? And might be too lightweight? I live in an area known for getting up to 110 degrees F. in the summer >sometimes [it's now in the 90's daily], and down as far as the 60's-70's evenings. Or in the wintertime between [degrees F. again] 40's - freezing. > For any suggestions, thank you in advance for lending your expertise to >my cause. -- Carol / Gra/inne I've done a bunch of Italian Renaissance gowns with tie-on sleeves, so you can lose 'em in the summer. If you can find really fine linen for the undergown, you won't roast too badly. I've also been toying with doing two sets of sleeves for the same gown - one with full length lace-up sleeves, and the other with the segemented sleeves, which might be cooler, even if they're long. Might work for you, Carol! Rima _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 13:15:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27952 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:15:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11324; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:31:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20553 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:29:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ptlsjlab1.phoenix.com (ms3.phoenix.com [134.122.1.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA20539 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:29:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cbarnes by ptlsjlab1.phoenix.com via 134.122.3.107 with SMTP-TCP; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:33:10 -0700 From: "Cynthia Barnes" To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: H-COST: Corsets w/ straps, 1886 bustle Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:28:30 -0700 Message-ID: <000001befaf1$1f954090$6b037a86@cbarnes.phoenix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Cynthia Barnes" Just joined the list yesterday - back again after a many years hiatus - only to find it's de-lurk day. >What's next? The 1886 mega-bustle gown. For dancing, of course. Here's the question. Having looked at "Corsets & Crinolines", Cunnington's Brief History, and other books on unmentionables, I see no bustle specifically for the "chicken butt" look. Here's the question: What makes the upward pointy bit? Is it a mound of draping that's part of the dress? An extra appliance or padding added to the typical bustle? Some arcane bustle contraption that is so atypical that surveys dont include it? I have an vintage 1886 pattern and "the mound of draping" answer is not allowed for in the cut/layout/hang. Your helpful hints on books, pics, mags & lit to reference graciously accepted. >Corsets w/ straps The straps are there in the early corset as the corsets are built in the flat & are short waisted. The straps help them stay up where they should be, doing the job they should be doing. 19th c corsets, w/ curves & waistlines dont tend to ride up or down - no strap needed. If your 19th c corset does shift, chances are it doesnt fit or there is an imbalance in the way it's tied.) Likely I'm repeating something somebody said earlier, before I was on the digest list. --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 13:17:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27967 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:17:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11710; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:33:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20854 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:31:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sisscoe.sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us (sisscoe.sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us [198.189.71.12]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20843 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brown (jackson3 [198.189.103.3]) by sisscoe.sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us (8.8.8/(Not!)) with SMTP id LAA01109 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990909113026.007b1860@sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us> X-Sender: cbrown@sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:30:26 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Cindy Brown Subject: H-COST: Happy List Member Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Cindy Brown Hello... I've asked a number of questions during the past 2 years and have always been dazzled by the brilliant answers and suggestions. A lurker? Yes. An active list user? That, too. Thanks to all of you. I read the messages daily! Cindy Brown Costume Mistress Siskiyou Performing Arts Center _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 13:24:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27995 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:24:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13068; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:40:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22476 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:37:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22469 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:37:57 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnoraK@aol.com Received: from AnnoraK@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6EAFa07546 (4339) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3aee1306.25095853@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:37:07 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep!/Laughing Moon To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AnnoraK@aol.com In keeping with today's theme, another introvert ventures out with a comment. :-) Re: Georgia's question about the Laughing Moon corset pattern -- I built my first corset last month using this pattern. I made the Dore Straight Seam out of coutil, with an outside layer of moire. I followed their suggestions of making a muslin and doing two test fittings. I had to trim back the underarm areas about 1/2" - 3/4", but other than that, it went together smoothly and easily, even with feline interference. But, then I was sorta paranoid about screwing the whole thing up, so did everything by the rules, tracing out all lines and markings and all the other stuff that I usually don't do with the rest of my projects. One suggestion, though -- trace out the pattern onto butcher paper, if you weren't planning to already. --Jen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 13:24:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27999 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:24:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13233; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22682 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:38:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.zebra.net (mail.zebra.net [209.12.13.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22670 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:38:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zebra.net ([209.12.15.97]) by mail.zebra.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with ESMTP id net; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:34:10 -0500 Message-ID: <37D7FEBB.334D830F@zebra.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:38:51 -0500 From: Meribeth McCombs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com, ches@io.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Confederate Uniform Braid References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Meribeth McCombs Hi... he's a colonel. MeriBeth ches@io.com wrote: > > -Poster: ches@io.com > > My confederate buddie needs to know what rank your husband is. > > Sincerely, > F. Havas > ches@io.com > > On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Meribeth McCombs wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:59:41 -0500 > > From: Meribeth McCombs > > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > Subject: H-COST: Confederate Uniform Braid > > > > > > -Poster: Meribeth McCombs > > > > Hi all... > > > > I'm defering to the greater knowledge of the list to help this lurker > > out of a jam. My husband needs his officer's frock coat finished by > > Wednesday and I have no idea as to the type and width of the braid used > > in the Austrian Knots on the Confederate frock coats. Can someone help > > me out? Also, how was the stuff attached to the coats? > > > > Thanks.... > > > > MeriBeth > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 13:29:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28007 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:29:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14479; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:46:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23907 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:44:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23895 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:44:08 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnoraK@aol.com Received: from AnnoraK@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6UPMa28691 (4339) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2158ba6a.250959c6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:43:18 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep!/Laughing Moon To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AnnoraK@aol.com Supplies! Duh! *smacks head* I knew I forgot something! I got my supplies from Farthingale's. Busk (6 hook to answer Megan's question), bones, coutil, everything. I faxed the order out one evening, and Linda, the owner, called the next morning to let me know that one item was out of stock and to suggest alternatives. She then shipped it out that day and I had it in less than a week, start to finish. She's in Canada, so at first glance, the prices seem higher than other places, but for US customers, expect about a 30% discount off of what's listed because of the exchange rate. No affiliation, just a very satisfied customer, --Jen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 13:39:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28024 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:39:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16996; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:56:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26433 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:54:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.vci.net (smtp.vci.net [207.162.160.12]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26417 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:54:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vci.net (ppp-169-82.vci.net [207.162.169.82]) by smtp.vci.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA22331 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: <37D802F4.C622B502@vci.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:56:52 -0500 From: "schuck@vci.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-FR,de,ru,es-AR,sv MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #546 References: <199909091831.MAA20874@net.indra.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------34B77FF0E4AE2301DB74B51B" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "schuck@vci.net" --------------34B77FF0E4AE2301DB74B51B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone had any experience with Richard the Threads patterns? It's quite hard to tell from the drawings what the finished product is supposed to look like (at least to me). I want to make sure that the patterns I buy are as historically accurate as possible, since I don't yet know enough to alter patterns for accuracy. Thanks for your help, folks! Julie schuck@vci.net The most extensive collection of corset stuff I've EVER seen is at Richard the Thread. Floor to ceiling busks. check 'em out at http://richardthethread.com They also have the only Restoration era patterns I've ever seen. --------------34B77FF0E4AE2301DB74B51B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone had any experience with Richard the Threads patterns? It's quite hard to tell from the drawings what the finished product is supposed to look like (at least to me). I want to make sure that the patterns I buy are as historically accurate as possible, since I don't yet know enough to alter patterns for accuracy. Thanks for your help, folks!

Julie
schuck@vci.net

The most extensive collection of corset stuff I've EVER seen is at Richard
the Thread.   Floor to ceiling busks.

check 'em out at http://richardthethread.com

They also have the only Restoration era patterns I've ever seen. --------------34B77FF0E4AE2301DB74B51B-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 13:41:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28031 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:41:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17633; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26908 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:56:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26884 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:56:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mamabear from [207.13.31.71] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.405) with smtp for sender: id ; Thu, 9 Sep 99 13:56:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <016401befaf4$86fc52c0$0200a8c0@mamabear.stormypetrel.com> From: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep! Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:52:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" Well, I have made that type of skirted jerkin and it is easy....god forbid I should state this but the jerkin pattern in the tudor medieval miscalliany is pretty good. Just don't bother with the instructions. As for the doublets in this era they are basically the same as a later period doublet but without the skirting or tabs on the bottom. Although, skirting comes in with the transitional clothes. If this is not enough information let me know. Carol Ross -----Original Message----- From: V. Renee Bedford To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 8:50 AM Subject: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep! -Poster: "V. Renee Bedford" Carol, love it..."I lurk; therefore, I am!" So here's my delurking question: Can anyone refer me to (especially men's) Tudor commercial patterns? I'm no historian, and certainly don't have the huevos to call myself a costumer, but am under the impression that most available are Elizabethan. Specifically, I haven't found a pattern for the low-neck skirted jerkin worn over a doublet, a la Henry's VIII's Holbein portrait. There, that wasn't so hard! Thanks, Renée (on digest) _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 13:46:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28039 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:46:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18544; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27730 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:59:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27723 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:59:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (tnt-1-73.easynet.co.uk [195.40.206.73]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BB647B2FE for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:59:44 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990909195700.007a5e80@pop-3.ukonline.co.uk> X-Sender: gj.hadfield@pop-3.ukonline.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:57:00 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Graham Hadfield Subject: Re: H-COST: Thursday, 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day In-Reply-To: <990909083320.15a4@lib.uttyl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Graham Hadfield Another one delurking Although I don't post questions, I don't think I am much of an introvert. I once travelled to London from the North East of England in full 17th Century kit, with my 20 year old son who's a musketeer - on the bus - (didn't have time to change when we got there) nobody turned a hair - just like the English - they just pretend that you're normal. The following year we used the train, it was faster. It's fun wandering round the Tower in kit and watching the faces of the tourists. Jill Sir Thomas Tyldesley's Regiment of Foote Kings Army English Civil War Society _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 13:46:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28046 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:46:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18847; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:03:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28023 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:00:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from olympus.cs.uwyo.edu (olympus.cs.uwyo.edu [129.72.216.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28013 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:00:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (hill@localhost) by olympus.cs.uwyo.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA23996 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:00:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:00:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Robin Hill X-Sender: hill@olympus.cs.uwyo.edu To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Another lurker outed. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Robin Hill I never post to H-COSTUME because I never make historical costume (unlike the other Robin, who contributes her expertise here). Saving that for retirement, or free time, or carriage to a higher plane, whichever comes first. But I sew extensively and sure enjoy hearing about historical details and techniques. I did sew my own doctoral hood, after drafting my own pattern, after doing weeks of absorbing research on academic regalia. I still make the pattern available to anyone who wants to pay the cost of copying and postage. --- Robin Hill hill@uwyo.edu (307)766-5289 Department of Computer Science, University of Wyoming _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 13:51:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28059 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:51:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20125; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:07:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29118 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:05:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29107 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:05:27 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnoraK@aol.com Received: from AnnoraK@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6HTWa01404 (4339) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <324ebbc8.25095ec5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:04:37 EDT Subject: H-COST: Med Misc/Period Patts for Guys To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AnnoraK@aol.com Oh, my! My third post in one day! The discussion of the MM/PP Tudor pattern made me remember a question I have. How are the MM/PP men's patterns for fit? Are they as bad as the women's? Specifically, I'm looking for input on the cotehardie pattern. My blossoming garb-sl*t of a fiance picked the thing up at VA Ren Faire and would like one for fall. Thanks! --Jen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 14:01:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28091 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:01:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22890; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:17:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01526 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:14:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01518 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:14:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from martha (209-122-225-86.s86.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.225.86]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA29229 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001601befaf3$dc3dff00$56e17ad1@martha> From: "Martha Kelly" To: References: <37D734B3.EFDF1AA6@mb.sympatico.ca> <00ba01befa80$489f2620$b6973018@pbc.adelphia.net> Subject: H-COST: To Erica re. "drawer tucking" Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:48:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01BEFAD2.535F8E40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Martha Kelly" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BEFAD2.535F8E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In "The Undercover Story," a beautiful show catalogue from FIT in 1982, = on page 100 (in case you have the book) is a picture of a French lady of = 1870 in the very ACT of tucking. (Tucking, I said! Somehow that looks = awful when written.) In the same book (page 105) a French postcard of = 1900 shows the same procedure. In "20,000 Years of Fashion" by Boucher = see illustrations 1085 and 1090 (page 403 in my edition.) The drawers of = the lady in the blue corset (Manet 1877) look so full you have to = believe it's because of a tucked chemise rather than just combinations. = It seems all my examples are French. Does this help? Martha (I just joined, so am I a lurker?) That reminds me of an unanswered question that a few of us were = discussing on another list awhile back (can't remember which one). The = question was something to the effect of did women of late 1800's (1880's = or 90's) tuck their chemise into their drawers, or leave them out? One = poster insisted that they left them out, although I saw a picture of a = chemise tucked into the drawers in one of my books. Was it the option = of the wearer or was there a trend? The poster with the question wanted = actual documentation. I am interested to know the answer to this from = someone with more expertise on the subject. Don't mean to put you on the = spot, Dianne. This question is open to anyone with a comment. =20 Thanks! =20 Erica Pence Robes of Antiquity www.robesofantiquity.com Online store coming soon! ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BEFAD2.535F8E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In "The Undercover Story,"  a = beautiful show=20 catalogue from FIT in 1982, on page 100 (in case you have the book) is a = picture=20 of a French lady of 1870 in the very ACT of tucking. (Tucking, I said!=20 Somehow that looks awful when written.) In the same book (page 105) = a=20 French postcard of 1900 shows the same procedure. In "20,000 Years of = Fashion"=20 by Boucher see illustrations 1085 and 1090 (page 403 in my edition.) The = drawers=20 of the lady in the blue corset (Manet 1877) look so full you have to = believe=20 it's because of a tucked chemise rather than just combinations. It seems = all my=20 examples are French. Does this help?
 
Martha  (I just joined, so am I a=20 lurker?)
 
 That reminds me of an unanswered question = that a few=20 of us were discussing on another list awhile back (can't remember = which=20 one).  The question was something to the effect of did women of = late=20 1800's (1880's or 90's) tuck their chemise into their drawers, or = leave them=20 out?  One poster insisted that they left them out, although I saw = a=20 picture of a chemise tucked into the drawers in one of my = books. =20 Was it the option of the wearer or was there a trend?  The poster = with=20 the question wanted actual documentation.   I am = interested to=20 know the answer to this from someone with more expertise on the = subject. Don't=20 mean to put you on the spot, Dianne.  This question is open to = anyone=20 with a comment. 
 
Thanks! 
 
Erica Pence
Robes of Antiquity
www.robesofantiquity.com
= Online=20 store coming soon!
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BEFAD2.535F8E40-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 14:09:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28135 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:09:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24660; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:25:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03325 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:23:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta2-svc.virgin.net (mta2-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.143]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03317 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xohgoynt ([62.252.38.43]) by mta2-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19990909192213.DFYM9244.mta2-svc@xohgoynt> for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:22:13 +0100 Message-ID: <015a01befaf7$5e86a0e0$2b26fc3e@xohgoynt> From: "emma smith" To: Subject: H-COST: Lurking Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:08:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "emma smith" Hi all As it's non-lurking day on the list...here I am My name's Emma & I live in Stratford-upon-Avon in England. I love the list and get lots out of it without ften finding the to post myself. I make Tudor & medieval kit for myself and my partner & our friends who are involved in re-enactment in England - it's a growing line at the moment. I've only been doing this for a few years, but before that I made theatre costumes & made modern clothes so i've done a bit of sewing. The re-enactment group I belong to spends 3 whole weeks in kit every summer living as Tudors (until the punters go home!) so all clothing has to be as accurate as possible & stand up to being worked in. And I do mean work. I work with horses - cart horses as well as riding horses and my partner is an archer so the clothes have to be really sturdy - nothing worse than splitting your hose as you bend down! I've got lots of stuff out of lurking & will continue to do so - posting as and when. If that's all right. I'm not an introvert either, just tired at the end of the day. Good things Emma _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 14:13:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28156 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:13:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25537; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:29:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04656 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:27:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA04645 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:27:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990909192858.7218.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.247.217.34] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 12:28:58 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Toney Subject: Re: H-COST: To Erica re. "drawer tucking" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sarah Toney Alright! I just can't STAND it anymore! There is NO WAY I can keep my mouth shut for a WHOLE DAY! *phew* I feel better. I actually have a very important question that has a time constraint, or I would have kept quiet until tomorrow... I bought the 1920's hat pattern from Past Patterns... I made the large size, and it is too small for my head! Argh! Has anyone used this pattern? If so, did you run into this problem, and how did you fix it? Please help... we are putting on a 1920's coctail party on Saturday night and I REALLY need this. Oh, and thanks for the laugh. > in the very ACT of tucking. (Tucking, I said! > Somehow that looks awful when written.) In the same Sarah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 14:41:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28329 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:41:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00209; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:56:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11059 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:54:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.greatbasin.net (mail.greatbasin.net [207.228.35.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11044 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dfenwick (virt228.virtual.state.nv.us [167.154.2.28]) by mail.greatbasin.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA09939 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004601befafc$bda51d90$fe0110ac@akc.state.nv.us> From: "Dan Fenwick" To: References: <324ebbc8.25095ec5@aol.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Med Misc/Period Patts for Guys Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:51:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Dan Fenwick" > Oh, my! My third post in one day! The discussion of the MM/PP Tudor pattern > made me remember a question I have. How are the MM/PP men's patterns for > fit? Are they as bad as the women's? Specifically, I'm looking for input on > the cotehardie pattern. My blossoming garb-sl*t of a fiance picked the thing > up at VA Ren Faire and would like one for fall. I have it, somewhere. It's terrible unless you are good at taking measurements and then adjusting the pattern to suit. It is also not period as the sleeve is made like a modern suit sleeve so you can't raise your arm without raising the entire coat. Not a good situation if you use one of the period methods of holding the hose up (tying them to the coat.) Dan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 14:45:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28342 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:45:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01602; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:02:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12592 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:59:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12581 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:59:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.174] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11PAMI-0004fm-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:59:50 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 12:57:57 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: RE: H-COST: Wool Question In-Reply-To: <01BEFAC0.BAA394A0@ELEMENTAL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 12:13 PM 09/09/1999 -0500, you wrote: >I too, was just now fantasizing about having that much wonderful wool to play with...is there a support group? ;-> > >Carrie Right here, I suspect...although this is kind of a combo all-in-one 'get you out of trouble', 'get you into trouble' kinda place. :-) Carol, who must admit to sudden surges of fabric/attire lust while reading this group...and has been very grateful to all those who have answered my questions and lent their expertise to my need... _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 14:47:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28346 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:47:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01867; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:03:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13085 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:01:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailhub.iastate.edu (mailhub.iastate.edu [129.186.1.102]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13073 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:01:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from H59013.iastate.edu (costumes.center.iastate.edu [129.186.127.4]) by mailhub.iastate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA14774 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:01:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990909145811.00941af0@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> X-Sender: djnash@djnash.mail.iastate.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:01:21 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Doris J Nash Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #543 In-Reply-To: References: <199909090926.DAA19913@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Doris J Nash At 11:16 AM 9/9/99 -0700, you wrote: > >I've done a bunch of Italian Renaissance gowns with tie-on sleeves, so you >can lose 'em in the summer. If you can find really fine linen for the >undergown, you won't roast too badly. > >I've also been toying with doing two sets of sleeves for the same gown - >one with full length lace-up sleeves, and the other with the segemented >sleeves, which might be cooler, even if they're long. > >Might work for you, Carol! > >Rima I agree! My only Italian Ren gown is golden yellow brocade with wine-colored trim, and I made 2 different sleeves to tie on, as well as a set of cuffs, for *really* hot weather, and I love it. It's nearly as fun as having 2 or 3 different gowns, but with only a fraction of the work! Doris, de-lurking for the second time in a week! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 14:51:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28374 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:51:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02577; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:07:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14070 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:05:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (IDENT:root@sm0101.promedia.net [209.160.170.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14063 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from j9g8x8 (ppp-209-160-172-34.01.promedia.net [209.160.172.34]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA22841 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:05:11 -0700 Message-ID: <005701befafe$f059b280$22aca0d1@j9g8x8> From: "Broneske" To: "H-Costume" Subject: H-COST: Shoe dyeing question Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:07:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Broneske" I have a pair of black shoes made from that God-awful, man-made suede stuff that makes your feet sweat, and I need to change to color to red. Does anyone know if there is a way I can dye or paint this type of material without ruining it? Joan Broneske unicorn@softcom.net @-->---------------- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 14:56:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28381 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:56:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03803; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15589 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:11:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from falcon.canfield.com (falcon.canfield.com [206.191.139.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15536 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deathstar (deathstar.canfield.com [206.191.139.22]) by falcon.canfield.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA25720 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:17:35 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990909130444.009908b0@mail.canfield.com> X-Sender: leslie@mail.canfield.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:07:28 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Leslie Helms Subject: H-COST: Moorish/Middle Eastern question In-Reply-To: <199909091831.MAA20874@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Leslie Helms Could the person who asked about Moorish and related costuming please write me offlist? I have some good info and class notes, but am too swamped right now to dig them out... and I'll forget in a few hours if not prodded... Leslie leslie@canfield.com "And then you ease this piece into the... um... what was I talking about? What is this fabric doing in my hands?" _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 14:57:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28385 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:57:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03825; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:13:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15581 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:11:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from falcon.canfield.com (falcon.canfield.com [206.191.139.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15533 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deathstar (deathstar.canfield.com [206.191.139.22]) by falcon.canfield.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA25717 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:17:35 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990909125954.00998100@mail.canfield.com> X-Sender: leslie@mail.canfield.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:02:00 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Leslie Helms Subject: H-COST: Re: Thank You WAS Re: Wool In-Reply-To: <199909091831.MAA20874@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Leslie Helms Kyna wrote: < Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28410 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:09:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06182; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:26:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18917 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:23:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18315 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:21:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id NAA04593; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D81704.624B32D8@serv.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:22:29 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Shoe dyeing question References: <005701befafe$f059b280$22aca0d1@j9g8x8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > I have a pair of black shoes made from that God-awful, man-made suede stuff > that makes your feet sweat, and I need to change to color to red. Does > anyone know if there is a way I can dye or paint this type of material > without ruining it? wow. I suspect you are stuck with black shoes. Not because of the fabric/materials but because once something is black, it's pretty much black for life. Unless you have bleach and then it's probably going to be gray. I could, of course, be mistaken about this. You could certainly paint it with a paint that would cover it but the paint would probably ruin the shoes in the end. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 15:18:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28423 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:18:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08172; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:34:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21242 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:31:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop1.cyberhighway.net (pop1.cyberhighway.net [209.161.0.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA21235 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:31:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909092031.OAA21235@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 16163 invoked from network); 9 Sep 1999 14:31:50 -0600 Received: from ts26-31.boi.cyberhighway.net (HELO kathy) (209.161.8.145) by pop1.cyberhighway.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 14:31:50 -0600 From: "K & J Hopkins" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep!/Laughing Moon Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:37:24 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "K & J Hopkins" Farthingales? e-mail addy? snail mail addy? More information, please. Kathlene ---------- > From: AnnoraK@aol.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep!/Laughing Moon > Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 12:43 PM > > > -Poster: AnnoraK@aol.com > > Supplies! Duh! *smacks head* I knew I forgot something! I got my supplies > from Farthingale's. Busk (6 hook to answer Megan's question), bones, coutil, > everything. I faxed the order out one evening, and Linda, the owner, called > the next morning to let me know that one item was out of stock and to suggest > alternatives. She then shipped it out that day and I had it in less than a > week, start to finish. > > She's in Canada, so at first glance, the prices seem higher than other > places, but for US customers, expect about a 30% discount off of what's > listed because of the exchange rate. > > No affiliation, just a very satisfied customer, > --Jen > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 15:29:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28433 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:29:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10046; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:45:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24206 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:43:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail3.anet.net (mail3.anet.net [216.2.98.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24196 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:43:17 -0600 (MDT) From: rima@anet.net Received: from [216.2.96.55] (216.2.96.240) by mail3.anet.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0); Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:50:11 -0800 X-Sender: rima@mail.anet.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909091954.NAA11155@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:23:05 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #547 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: rima@anet.net Julie asks: >Has anyone had any experience with Richard the Threads patterns? It's >quite hard to tell from the drawings what the >finished product is supposed to look like (at least to me). I want to make >sure that the patterns I buy are as >historically accurate as possible, since I don't yet know enough to alter >patterns for accuracy. Thanks for your help, >folks! I just bought Restoration Man and built myself the coat. OK, so the pattern's sized for a man (and I'm a lady) and their instructions STINK. Patterns are intended for professional costumers (which I am NOT) who already know what they're doing. Having said all that, it worked pretty well. I used leftover fabric from two curtain projects - yummy green brocade lined with greenish gold silk dupioni - so now I know what changes to make when I'm actually spending money on fabric. BTW, when I tried to buy this pattern at Alter Years, they wanted $60 because it was "special order". So when I found RTT on the web and discovered they were a mere 1/2 mile from me, I called them directly. They print the patterns to order, so they need a little notice, but I paid $32 instead of $60. This is also the project where I learned that (in the garmet district, anyway) it's cheaper to buy a gross of buttons than it is to buy 50 of 'em. ;-D Hope this helps. Rima _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 15:36:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28439 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:36:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10962; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:52:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25761 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:50:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25747 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990909205023.XFHA16271.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:50:23 -0700 Message-ID: <37D81DA2.BF5320CB@home.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:50:42 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #543 References: <199909090926.DAA19913@net.indra.com> <4.1.19990909145811.00941af0@djnash.mail.iastate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kat & Kent I make tie-on sleeves for both Ren & Tudor....it can totally change the look of an outfit and it allows you to just take the things off when it gets waaaaaaaay too hot or to give one as a favor to a fighter. Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 15:40:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28448 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:40:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11495; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:57:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26859 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:55:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26852 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990909205505.XGRT16271.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:55:05 -0700 Message-ID: <37D81EBB.8ADB1534@home.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:55:24 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Med Misc/Period Patts for Guys References: <324ebbc8.25095ec5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kat & Kent AnnoraK@aol.com wrote: > > Oh, my! My third post in one day! The discussion of the MM/PP Tudor > pattern made me remember a question I have. How are the MM/PP men's > patterns for fit? Are they as bad as the women's? Specifically, I'm > looking for input on the cotehardie pattern. My blossoming garb-sl*t > of a fiance picked the thing up at VA Ren Faire and would like one for > fall. The Laurel of the Household when I was in SCA used both the men's cotehardie pattern and the tunic pattern from MM and didn't have any trouble...otoh she *always* made the inital one out of muslin and then adjusted the butcher paper pattern to fit (an easy way to do this is to pin and then cut out your seam allowance past the pins...or at least, that's what *I* do! ). She told me to never, ever read the instructions because they read like Greek (assuming one does not speak nor read Greek), just look at the pictures and never, ever cut the pattern...use butcher paper or newsprint or opened out paper bags etc to make the pattern pieces (and make sure you put the date and measurements of the person on the piece as well as the piece number) then when you've got it fitted properly and the pattern adjusted, shove it in a manila envelope with the date, person's name, pattern type etc. Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 15:41:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28452 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:41:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11498; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:57:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23894 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:42:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailhost.neaccess.net (mailhost.neaccess.net [204.255.214.236]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23868 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:41:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dkenton (camb0344.capecod.net [209.244.245.90]) by mailhost.neaccess.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id QAA28347 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:41:52 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990909164122.00da6094@neaccess.net> X-Sender: kenton@neaccess.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:41:22 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Donna Kenton Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #542 In-Reply-To: References: <199909090500.XAA00731@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Donna Kenton >The most extensive collection of corset stuff I've EVER seen is at Richard >the Thread. Floor to ceiling busks. Only because we're de-lurking today.... I read that, and immediately pictured busks about 10 feet long. And that's why I generally lurk... :) Donna Kenton Visit my web page! http://www.dabbler.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 15:45:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28457 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:45:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12354; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27849 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:59:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.mts.net (smtp1.mts.net [205.200.16.74]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27837 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:59:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mb.sympatico.ca (wnpgas06-p70.mts.net [205.200.54.228]) by smtp1.mts.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00891 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:58:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37D81FB4.8FF332AD@mb.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:59:32 -0500 From: Dianne Kristoff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: Farthingales Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dianne Kristoff To "K & J Hopkins" Farthingales web address is ..... farthingales.on.ca It is a Canadian company from which I have had excellent service in the past. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 15:47:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28469 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:47:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12502; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:02:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28107 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:00:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28095 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:00:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Natekakar@aol.com Received: from Natekakar@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6YPYa01987 (4339) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <265851b2.250979c5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:59:49 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST:De-Lurking To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) sub 7 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Natekakar@aol.com Lurking? I've been accused of lurching (and even lunching!), on occasion, but lurking?...... I don't contribute much for several reasons -- 1) I don't have a great deal of time to spend on-line, and most of that time is taken up just READING the messages...... 2) Most of the messages aren't dealing with timeframes or garments I have much knowledge about or interest in...... 3) Frequently, when I DO find something that I could respond to --- I go down several more messages and find that someone has already answered it! K. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 15:47:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28473 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:47:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12466; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:02:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28042 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:00:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from na-ims.alcoa.com ([147.154.3.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28018 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by NA-IMS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:59:41 -0400 Message-ID: <0B3E3AA67456D311A9FC0000E889ED9809F489@dhcp-183-2.dpw.alcoa.com> From: "Fairchild, Connie E." To: "'h-costume-digest@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: Another one delurking Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:54:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Fairchild, Connie E." Extrovert - introvert both at the same time! Always with an interest in costume, I am just within the last couple of years getting to put it in practice (beyond those Halloween costumes). My adult daughter is a volunteer at an Abraham Lincoln site and I've been doing research and sewing her outfits from the 1830-1840's. I've really enjoyed the discussion on altering patterns for the modern figure and graphing from books. I've been sewing since childhood, but finding it very rewarding now that I'm working on these outfits and have gained the courage to experiment with the style and fitting. I collect old photos (tintypes, etc.) for the fashions, books, patterns, fashion magazines (pre-1915 but occasionally 1930's - 50's, just because...) and old sewing machines too. Would love to take some costuming classes someday. Enjoy combining needlework with the early 19th century clothing and accessories. Since I'm not involved in SGA, I too have to look up definitions and work to understand what is being discussed, but enjoy searching my art books and modern copy of the Book of Hours to see the clothing that is mentioned. I have nothing to add to these discussions, but enjoy reading them. I too, am on the digest so questions are most often already answered by the time I read them. I see several familiar names on some of the other lists that I'm on: h-needlework; sewinghistoric; vintage clothing Keep up the fun. Scotty, back to cloaking. Connie Fairchild _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 15:48:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28480 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:48:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12994; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:05:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28576 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:02:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailhost.neaccess.net (mailhost.neaccess.net [204.255.214.236]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28560 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:02:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dkenton (camb0344.capecod.net [209.244.245.90]) by mailhost.neaccess.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id RAA28913 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:02:20 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990909170149.00d32f18@neaccess.net> X-Sender: kenton@neaccess.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:01:49 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Donna Kenton Subject: Re: H-COST: Med Misc/Period Patts for Guys In-Reply-To: <37D81EBB.8ADB1534@home.com> References: <324ebbc8.25095ec5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Donna Kenton >otoh she *always* made the inital one out of muslin and then >adjusted the butcher paper pattern to fit A trick I learned was to make the initial one out of gingham. Make sure it's the woven check, not the printed one. It's more expensive than muslin, but you can see the grain lines so much easier, which makes it easier for me to use. Donna Kenton Visit my web page! http://www.dabbler.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 16:30:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28605 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:30:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19712; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:47:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09179 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:44:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bajor.ici.net (bajor.ici.net [207.180.0.58]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09163 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (d-ma-superpop-2-28.ici.net [207.180.42.28]) by bajor.ici.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA03911 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909092143.RAA03911@bajor.ici.net> Subject: H-COST: Re: Lurkers Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:44:14 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Irene leNoir To: "H-Costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id PAA09168 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Irene leNoir I suppose I qualify as a lurker, even though I don't really think of myself as one. I've been on the list about two years now. I read the messages every day, but I have to admit that I mass-delete a lot of threads that focus on times/topics outside my area of interest. (I'm in the SCA and I focus on early 15th Century France.) Part of the reason is that I just get too much mail to read every thread. The other part is that I've cultivated an active avoidance of anything that might encourage me to pick up a new hobby or conceive a new project. I already have 2000 yards of fabric in my sewing room and an idea list that gets added to quicker than I can complete the projects that are already on it. :-) I do occassionally post a question, and am always pleased with the knowledge level of the people on this list. I have also been known to respond to other people's posts, but 95% of the time I find that by the time I finish catching up with the most recent posts, someone else has already said exactly what I would have. Jessica Clark SCA: Irčne leNoir irene@ici.net http://home.ici.net/~beowulf/jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 16:50:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28686 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:50:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22813; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:07:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14250 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:04:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.196]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14243 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:04:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EK4WFDDS; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:03:03 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Shoe dyeing question Message-ID: <19990909.133918.4791.2.cley@juno.com> References: <005701befafe$f059b280$22aca0d1@j9g8x8> <37D81704.624B32D8@serv.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-5,7-10 From: cynthia j ley Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:03:03 EDT Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: cynthia j ley Would regular red leather dye work on this, I wonder? Maybe call a Tandy's or a shop which carries leather? Arlys >> I have a pair of black shoes made from that God-awful, man-made suede stuff >> that makes your feet sweat, and I need to change to color to red. >Does anyone know if there is a way I can dye or paint this type of >material without ruining it? ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 17:33:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28805 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:33:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28919; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:50:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23931 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:47:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web112.yahoomail.com (web112.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.82]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA23922 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:47:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990909224633.7284.rocketmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.107.124.110] by web112.yahoomail.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:46:33 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:46:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Moonshadow Subject: Re: H-COST: Another lurker outed. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Moonshadow Hello List, I too am a lurker! I sew medieval period garb for my family as we are involved with the SCA. I am enjoying reading all the comments from the experts. Believe me, I have learned a lot. I used to sew just pillows and curtains, garb is so much more fun! We live near Knoxville, TN. My name is Dorothy 8^) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 17:45:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28813 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:45:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00794; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:02:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26488 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:00:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from viper.columbus.rr.com (viper.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.254]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26463 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc.columbus.rr.com (dhcp31161186.columbus.rr.com [24.31.161.186]) by viper.columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16427 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00b901befb17$48f83c00$baa11f18@dsc.columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:01:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! I fall somewhere in between "lurker" and "regular poster." This is partially because of time constraints, and partially because the period I study (11th-14th century European, with a big emphasis on the 13th century; although I also dabble in Norse and 16th century stuff) is not one of the ones which seems to attract as many enthusiasts (especially the 13th century, except for Henk, of course :-) I have recently turned into a handsewing addict. I've been spending time perfecting a 13th century dress design, and trying to figure out when I'm going to get a chance to try a 10-gore "Greenland" gown. My husband and I are in the midst of expanding our SCA merchanting business, and one of the things I want to offer is high-end, authentic "central Middle Ages" clothing--handsewn if people want it that way, with authentic patterning, finishing techniques, and trimmings. I'm always picking up tips and ideas from this list. I've just finished my doctorate in history, am getting ready for the great academic job hunt, and in the meantime am working as an admin. assistant at a bank. Susan Carroll-Clark _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 17:46:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28824 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:46:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00925; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:03:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26697 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:01:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f95.hotmail.com [207.82.250.201]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA26688 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:01:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 79180 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 1999 23:00:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19990909230038.79179.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.12.82.20 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:00:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.12.82.20] From: "kris .." To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Thursday, 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:00:37 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "kris .." >-Poster: Barbara Maren Winkler >On many paintings from the 1500s and 1600s, I noticed slashes in people's >clothes through which the undergarment showed. These slashes were sometimes >decorative (as for sleeves), but more often functional, to allow for ease >without shaping tight garments around the knee, elbow, the knuckles of >gloves, the hip, one time even the codpiece. Nowwhere was there an >indication that the edges of these slashes were cared for in any way (so as >not to fray). My theory is that outer garments were made of fulled wool, >which doesn't fray. I took an Ithra class (SCA) on late period clothing, and the instructor said many things :] I don't know if they're true or not, but here I go. If you slash the fabric perfectly diagonally (is this "on the bias?"), it shouldn't fray. Especially when you do it to tightly woven fabrics. Also, they didn't often *wash* their dress clothing, so the only way it would fray is through wear. And I don't think it was worn too often, either. At least, not every day. My teacher had some examples (ie. she made some clothes & passed them around) of slashed garments, and the slashes had only frayed about 1/4". Of course, if you take a look at some of the German paintings, and you see the slashes from shoulder to waist, I would say that they would have *had* to line them in some way. I haven't studied that, becauseit's in men's garments (what I've seen), and I'm only concerned about women's clothing :] HTH, or at least gives everyone something else to think about :] Kris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 17:49:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28828 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:49:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01361; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:06:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27362 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:04:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.204]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27349 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:04:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem54.hulk.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.54] helo=herimats) by svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 11PDES-0001hh-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:03:57 +0100 Message-ID: <00a701befb17$9a02b1c0$36065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <005701befafe$f059b280$22aca0d1@j9g8x8> Subject: Re: H-COST: Shoe dyeing question Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:02:22 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" If its the stuff I think it is that we have in the UK called Nubuck a very thin sliver of real leather stuck to a polymer base and the roughes up to give a nap. Then the only thing that will work; stay for a while and not degrade the backing so that it shreds from the inside is;;;; believe it or not water colour paint , the proper artist stuff .. If the shoes have been worn and picked up any veneer of dirt things get a bit iffy so you may have to mix it with a water and avery small amount of acrylic medium; Mix the paint with lots of water and get it on quick in a big floos otherwise tyou get water stain edges. Two or three maybe more times; If its not nubuck it wont work, unless they are Hush puppies;;; different story altogether. avoid shoe dies the spirit will destroy them unoticeably but then very sudddenly as your foot warms them up , could be dangerous. However my only experince of this is starting with light colours and then making them dark; but you can usually turn them white by sweating a lot. So you have to start by buying a new pair of shoes; If its not nubuck its going to be a more manmade material its going to have various polymer bases so you have to watch with solvents but you might get away with car paint aerosols, short burst from a distance build up slowly ; too much solvent or propellant will make them peel; When finished let them dry properly and then go over them gently with a stiff wire brush to bring the nap up. still a long job. Hope this helps. Dave +++++++++++++++++++++ L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters ----- Original Message ----- From: Broneske To: H-Costume Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 9:07 PM Subject: H-COST: Shoe dyeing question > > -Poster: "Broneske" > > I have a pair of black shoes made from that God-awful, man-made suede stuff > that makes your feet sweat, and I need to change to color to red. Does > anyone know if there is a way I can dye or paint this type of material > without ruining it? > > > Joan Broneske > unicorn@softcom.net > @-->---------------- > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 18:20:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28853 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:20:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05809; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:37:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03725 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:35:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.204]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03712 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem2.tweety.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.130] helo=herimats) by svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 11PDid-0002O6-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:35:07 +0100 Message-ID: <012901befb1b$f54485f0$36065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <199909090149_MC2-8418-E5B5@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Unlurking for 9-9-99 - long Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:32:21 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" > -Poster: Cat Devereaux > > I'll have to pop up a day early, because I'll be one of those computer > nerds baby-sitting the computers tomorrow for 9-9-99... Actualy have a few > things to respond to on the current list anyway. > Well I hope it went well. Its now 30 min into the day after and our systems even the older ones got though with out any glitches. As we were going to a lot of dancing around ,chanting and burning of incense we spent the 28 hour shift in costume, just in case we all would be looking for a new job today ; but every thing worked . Our Bbox, even, which usually goes down every night almost. so fromnow on we all should work in costume. Dave _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 18:20:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28852 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:20:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05806; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:37:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03724 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:35:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.204]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03709 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:35:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem2.tweety.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.130] helo=herimats) by svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 11PDic-0002O6-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:35:06 +0100 Message-ID: <012801befb1b$f49f6c50$36065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:23:13 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" Have you found Dawn Wood at http://www.agesofelegance.com she does georgian plus wedding stuff as well as historical. To other listers that remember the thread long ago about superfine? she regularly buys from the factory so I will try and get her to remind me of the name of the place as a couple of you did ask me at the time. Dave L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters > > -Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" > . I've found a designer in the UK that makes very elaborate dresses (wedding/special ocassion) if I can't manage to make one myself I'll resort back to her I suppose. Her dresses are beautiful but you know there is always one thng about a dress that just doesn't seem right, whether it be colour or fabric, o! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 18:25:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28859 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:25:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06348; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:42:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04521 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:39:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from pop04.iname.net (pop04.iname.net [165.251.8.69]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04508 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:39:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from natasha (user121.internetwork.net [206.138.100.121]) by pop04.iname.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA10404 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199909091845130920.0085914E@mail.iname.com> In-Reply-To: <19990909230038.79179.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19990909230038.79179.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.00.00.11 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:45:13 -0500 From: "Tara Stewart" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Thursday, 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id RAA04511 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Tara Stewart" Heyla all. I'm a die-hard lurker on most lists, because I either a) never feel like I have anything to add (or it's been added already by the time I get around to it); or b) don't feel like adding it anyway after I get home from work. I'm here to read and learn. :) History is a major area of interest for me, and clothing is just another facet that I find interesting. I *love* reading some of the tangents that this list occasionally goes off on, and I have spent hours going over some of the links that have been posted. Now back to lurking mode, Tara ;) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 18:26:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28863 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:26:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06594; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:43:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04832 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:41:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.204]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04812 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:41:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem42.hulk.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.42] helo=herimats) by svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 11PDoa-0002W5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:41:16 +0100 Message-ID: <016f01befb1c$d10abaf0$36065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? Roman query Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:41:18 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" Yvonne check out their website for weekly updates on this and other find; off hand it www.museumoflondon.com but you will find it through any search on London really easy. Dave L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters > > -Poster: BlueMoonYD@aol.com > > I do have a question, though. When I was in London this summer, I was > told the Museum of London had just found the burial site of a noble Roman > woman circa 2nd century AD in Spitalfields. Has anyone heard anything more > about this? > Thanks for all the wonderful information! > Yvonne > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 18:26:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28867 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:26:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06585; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:43:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04797 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:41:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.204]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04782 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem42.hulk.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.42] helo=herimats) by svr-a-04.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 11PDoV-0002Vy-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:41:12 +0100 Message-ID: <016901befb1c$ce739550$36065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <3.0.5.32.19990909134602.00949340@130.149.12.212> Subject: Re: H-COST: Thursday, 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:41:14 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" >-Poster: Barbara Maren Winkler > I am currently writing up my Ph.D. thesis (which is in _mining_, not >_costuming_) and don't have much _time_. I still have in my mind, when all >this is over and I'm awaiting my baby, to take up the idea again of a new >FAQ list. Barbara , Are you going to publish, will it be in English?; Mining history is a bit of a pet subject of mine.To bring this back on topic--- I did once have to research and provide some costumes for 17th century Cornish tin miners and brought out a very thin long out of print booklet. Dave +++++ L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 18:44:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28949 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:44:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08701; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:00:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07593 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:58:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA07584 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by shared1-mail.whowhere.com; Thu Sep 9 16:57:50 1999 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:57:50 -0700 From: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? X-Sender-Ip: 199.44.36.77 Organization: email.women.com (http://www.emailwomen.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" No I haven't tried her but I will look, thank you. The designer I found was Donna Salado. She has no official website but her collection s on..www,weddings.co.uk I think it is. Not sure I'll have to find it thanks for the suggestion though --- Ginnaphure ICQ# 41340093 "Last time we mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the stake." >Have you found Dawn Wood at http://www.agesofelegance.com she does georgian >plus wedding stuff as well as historical. >To other listers that remember the thread long ago about superfine? she >regularly buys from the factory so I will try and get her to remind me of >the name of the place as a couple of you did ask me at the time. >Dave >L.D.Mundy >Editor.Heritage Matters > >> >> -Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" >> > . I've found a designer in the UK that makes very elaborate dresses >(wedding/special ocassion) if I can't manage to make one myself I'll resort >back to her I suppose. Her dresses are beautiful but you know there is >always one thng about a dress that just doesn't seem right, whether it be >colour or fabric, o! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 18:46:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28963 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:46:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09074; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:02:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07993 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:00:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta2-svc.virgin.net (mta2-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.143]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07987 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:00:35 -0600 (MDT) From: dawn.wood1@virgin.net Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.58.188]) by mta2-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19990909235939.BEBO11940.mta2-svc@LOCALNAME> for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:59:39 +0100 Message-ID: <37D8AFB0.73E3@virgin.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:13:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN712-000 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: (no subject) References: <19990907195640.DKXL3151.mta2-svc@mta2-svc.virgin.net> <37D7112B.2E3F@virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: dawn.wood1@virgin.net > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________________________ > > > Thanks Dave for introducing me so nicely, here's who I am I trained as a fashion designer and worked in industry in yorkshire for a while ( where I'm from) but > > > moved to London in 1986 to work at the costumiers Berman and Nathans, > > > I've worked on loads of films both i n house and freelance, I've also > > > worked at the Royal Opera House, taught costume making to drama students > > > and every now and again design a fringe show. I have been self employed > > > for 10 years next week and tend to live a frugal lifestyle as people > > > don't respect costume makers as a real job and expect you to do things > > > for peanuts as well as making it yesterday. In order to make a living > > > you nedd a partner who has a decent income as there aren't enough hours > > > in the day to sew. Unfortunately my other half is also selfemployed > > > making metalwork for unifroms etc.( His latest claim to fame is making > > > the head dresses for Amadala in Star Wars although he didn't know it > > > until the film came out as the contract was so tight He's also just > > > worked on Speilbergs Gladiators) so we starve together. I tend not to do > > > much film work anymore as I can't fit in quick orders as I'm booked up > > > 4-6 months in advance,last year I made the King of Norways 1608 > > > bodyguard which was a great honour. Unfortunately this doesn't leave > > > much time to make for me. My re-enactment group recently put on an 18thc > > > wedding and everyone had new frocks but me AND I helped them! I didn't > > > even have time to buy the fabric so haven't a five minute excuse to sit > > > down and do it now when I'm bored with uniforms. > > > I hope thats answered your questions and look forward to talking to you > > > all soon. > > www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 19:05:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29002 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:05:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10872; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:22:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11207 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:19:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from colquitt.sccsi.com (darren.bolding.org [207.90.208.114] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11194 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.54.227.65] ([209.207.57.117]) by colquitt.sccsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27195 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:19:15 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: melanie@pop.faucet.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005501befadb$4a43ed20$4caba0d1@j9g8x8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:18:00 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: H-COST: Delurking Day Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Melanie Schuessler Wow! So _this_ is why I had 137 messages today! It's been fun to read about all the folks we never hear from, so here's my short-version bio: graduated a year ago with an MFA in costume design (undergrad in history) and am now working as a cutter/draper at a small regional theatre and designing on the side when possible. I've also finally gotten into the SCA, doing 16th century. Once I've updated my website (in a few months...) there will be pictures of that sort of thing. I've been off the list for a little over a year and now finally have the time to enjoy it once more. It's great to be back! I've been lurking so far, but I'm sure you'll hear from me again eventually. Melanie Schuessler (and sometimes Melisande) email to melanie@faucet.net or visit at http://www.faucet.net/costume _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 19:09:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29006 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:09:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11635; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:26:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11993 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:23:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web119.yahoomail.com (web119.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.120]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11984 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:23:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990910002441.24923.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Received: from [63.21.254.68] by web119.yahoomail.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:24:41 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:24:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristen Morgaine Sieber Subject: H-COST: Hat for Simplicity Elizabethan To: SCA-Garb list , Historic Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kristen Morgaine Sieber Okay, what goes on your head when wearing the Simplicity Elizabethan gown? And remember, I am not a hat maker! Thanks. === Morgaine of Glastonbury MKA Kristen Morgaine Sieber Barony of Aquaterra MoAS Kingdom of An Tir lady_gawain@yahoo.com What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 19:14:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29015 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:14:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12258; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:31:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12721 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:29:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web108.yahoomail.com (web108.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.75]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA12700 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990910003042.16447.rocketmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Received: from [63.21.254.68] by web108.yahoomail.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:30:42 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:30:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristen Morgaine Sieber Subject: H-COST: Replying to digests To: SCA-Garb list , Historic Needlework , Historic Costume , An Tir list , SCA-Arts list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kristen Morgaine Sieber Hi. This is not a flame, so please don't flame me! When you reply to a digest, it is very helpful if you change the subject line to what you are actually discussing. I get a lot of messages and time necessitates that I automatically skip the messages that say "RE: Digest #9999", even though I may be missing something pertinent to my interests. Thanks for your time! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 19:31:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29065 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:31:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14148; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:48:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15211 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:45:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from colquitt.sccsi.com (darren.bolding.org [207.90.208.114] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15203 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:45:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.54.227.65] (227-132.netwurx.net [206.54.227.132]) by colquitt.sccsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27230 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:45:41 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: melanie@pop.faucet.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909081639.KAA00455@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:44:26 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: H-COST: Creating patterns from books (Janet Arnold, etc.) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Melanie Schuessler Well, I said you'd be hearing from me, and here I am! Here is another suggestion for scaling up patterns in books. It's not as accurate as plotting with CAD, but it requires no special equipment or computer skills (well, a copy machine is helpful). It's called radial projection. 1. Make a photocopy of the pattern in the book. 2. Decide how many times larger it needs to be to be roughly the right size (for example, 1/8" scale patterns will need to be eight times larger to be their original size--though for some of us, that usually isn't big enough). Sometimes you will have to choose a dimension--I can usually make things big enough around with the radial projection, but then will have to correct later to make them tall enough (that's step 9). 3. Cut the paper apart so that each pattern piece is on a separate piece of paper, but leave a small margin around each pattern shape. For each one, 4. Tape the pattern piece to another piece of paper that you think (hope!) will be large enough for the re-sized pattern. 5. Pick a spot on the small pattern shape--could be in the center, or in one corner if there's a nice straight edge somewhere on it--and make a small dot there. 6. Draw lines radiating from this point in all directions, making sure that all major corners of the pattern shape have a line through them and that you have more than one in each curve. 7. For each line, measure precisely from the dot to the edge of the small pattern shape, then multiply that number by the number of times you want to enlarge the pattern. Follow the line out to the new larger measurement and make a dot there. (Don't give in to the urge to round these numbers up or down, or you will end up with very strange shapes!) 8. Connect the dots, being careful to try and recreate the shapes of curves accurately. 9. Use this as a base pattern, correcting proportions, etc. Happy Patterning! Melanie email to melanie@faucet.net or visit at http://www.faucet.net/costume _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 19:32:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29073 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:32:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14328; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:49:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15419 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:47:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15411 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:47:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990910004723.BVAF22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:47:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:43:14 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: Replying to digests From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990910004723.BVAF22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "R.L. Shep" This is not the day for me to be sending to h-costume - according to Penny..... BUT not only do I agree with that but I find it very confusing when people respond to a message and then change the subject completely but leave the same subject line. I mean what does washing diapers have to do with a subject line that says *Wool Question*. Absurd... no. Some of them are that far off. Not to mention the sort of messages like *Thanks Suzy* which could have been sent off list in the first place. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: Kristen Morgaine Sieber >To: SCA-Garb list ,Historic Needlework ,Historic Costume ,An Tir list ,SCA-Arts list >Subject: H-COST: Replying to digests >Date: Thu, Sep 9, 1999, 5:30 PM > > >-Poster: Kristen Morgaine Sieber > >Hi. This is not a flame, so please don't flame me! >When you reply to a digest, it is very helpful if you >change the subject line to what you are actually >discussing. I get a lot of messages and time >necessitates that I automatically skip the messages >that say "RE: Digest #9999", even though I may be >missing something pertinent to my interests. Thanks >for your time! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 19:49:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29089 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:49:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15987; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:05:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17573 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:03:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (ogopogo.flash.net [209.30.6.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17567 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:03:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flash.net (p251.amax20.dialup.hou1.flash.net [209.30.68.251]) by ogopogo.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29304 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:03:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37D85A0F.BCEFC18B@flash.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:08:32 -0500 From: "V. Renee Bedford" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep! MM/PP References: <199909092144.PAA09318@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "V. Renee Bedford" Very nice pattern -- MM/PP Tudor #53. Thanks for the reference...called my *real* costumer friend, he had it, now his copy is in my little hands ready to be copied! Thanks for delurking day, would've never written otherwise. Are purses hist-cost? If yes, take a deep breath and click: www.therealmonicainc.com/ (Forgive me, but SURELY this is at least history?) Delurk once, and I get carried away! Thanks again, Renée _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 20:10:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29152 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:10:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18066; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:27:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20486 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:25:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20469 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:25:28 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6PSRa01989 (4427) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <71835307.2509b7d3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:24:35 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Hat for Simplicity Elizabethan To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 09/09/1999 8:27:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lady_gawain@yahoo.com writes: << Okay, what goes on your head when wearing the Simplicity Elizabethan gown? And remember, I am not a hat maker! Thanks. >> OR...HOW TO COVER A FELT HAT I suppose the easiest thing, besides some pearls or something in your hair, might be a beret with a brim, thought to be honest, this is really earlier. I made some lovely hats a while back using some cheap [$12 back then] Pilgrim hats I got through a masquerade costume shop. They were presses in felt...tall crowns & wide brims. [You could do this with a straw hat if the crown is the right shape.] The brims are too wide for this period so I cut them down to about 2" and put millinery wire around the new edge by zigzagging over the wire. [Millenary wire is springy wire wrapped in thread. It comes in black or white and I think Greenburg & Hammer have it. If you can't get any, regular wire like from the hardware store will work if springy enough. It may rust later, however.] Then I covered these felt forms with fancy fabrics. To do this trace the brim on the fabric. Cut out 2 of these with generous seam allowances. Find the center of one by folding it in quarters. Slash it at the center in several radiating directions but no larger...in fact shy of the opening for your had to go in the hat. This one goes on top, the crown punched through it. You can cut some of the center away but let it creep up the crown some....you'll have to clip it. Baste everything in place...around the bottom of crown and fold the outer edge under [not to the bottom though] & baste it. It will crinkle but trim it as close as you dare. The other circle goes on the bottom, position it and baste it in place. There's no need to cut the hole for the head yet. Carefully fold the outside edge under and blind stitch it to the top circle at the edge of the brim...where the wire is. Or trim both top & bottom pieces to the edge & bind the brim's edge in fabric or ribbon. Now slice the hole & trim & clip it basting the clipped seam allowance up inside the crown. Now the crown. Measure it from the bottom of one side, over the top to the other side. Cut a circle with that diameter. Find the center & bast it to the top of the crown. Now you can pleat or gather or arrange decoratively the outside edge of this circle to fit the crown. Pull it taught all the way round! Baste it at the bottom [hopefully overlapping the brim fabric's clipped seam allowance]. Cut another circle [of a different color or white] for the inside of the crown, evenly pleat it and baste it's edge too, only inside. Now sew a 3/4" grosgrain to the inside where a sweat band would go. [This could be a leather strip if you wanted] Put the join at CB and a small ribbon bow there. You can sew the grosgrain through to the outside of the crown as all these stitches & basting get covered up with a Fancy embroidered ribbon or fabric band. The grosgrain will stabilize the opening so sew it down well. Take out any basting that shows. Add some jewels & feathers and VOILA....you are a milliner! Did you get all that??? :-) Then there's the coif. I know these are easy & there are patterns out there. They can sometimes be worn under hats & berets. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 20:21:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29182 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:21:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19155; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:38:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22029 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:36:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailhost.neaccess.net (mailhost.neaccess.net [204.255.214.236]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22023 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:36:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dkenton (camb1213.capecod.net [209.244.250.197]) by mailhost.neaccess.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id VAA01835 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:36:11 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990909213536.00cfa750@neaccess.net> X-Sender: kenton@neaccess.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:35:36 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Donna Kenton Subject: Re: H-COST: Hat for Simplicity Elizabethan In-Reply-To: <71835307.2509b7d3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Donna Kenton >OR...HOW TO COVER A FELT HAT If they're wool felt, you can steam 'em over a tea kettle. Great for shaping! Donna Kenton Visit my web page! http://www.dabbler.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 20:41:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29218 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:41:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21208; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:58:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24812 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:56:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24781 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (216-164-48-126.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com [216.164.48.126]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA01325 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005001befb30$3137e020$0200a8c0@pavilion> From: "Megan McHugh" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Busks Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:49:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Megan McHugh" >-Poster: "V. Renee Bedford" >Megan, have you tried http://www.farthingales.on.ca/clasps.htm#busks ? I have now. Thankyou. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 20:41:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29222 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:41:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21190; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:58:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24807 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:56:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24783 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:56:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (216-164-48-126.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com [216.164.48.126]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA01340 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005101befb30$316a3ac0$0200a8c0@pavilion> From: "Megan McHugh" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Laughing Moon corset (was OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep!) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:59:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Megan McHugh" >My husband thinks it's weird that I go >through all the effort to make something that I end up >wearing around the house. Funny - I have no place to actually wear the corset and chemise I'm gonna make this winter either. Maybe it's because you and I have the same name........ (But when I showed my husband the picture on the pattern envelope he didn't seem to mind) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 20:47:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29229 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:47:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21914; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:04:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25631 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:02:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25621 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.190] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11PG0k-0005Ms-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:01:59 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:00:07 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Shoe dyeing question : FOLLOWUP ? In-Reply-To: <00a701befb17$9a02b1c0$36065cc3@herimats> References: <005701befafe$f059b280$22aca0d1@j9g8x8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 12:02 AM 09/10/1999 +0100, "LDMundy" wrote: >If its the stuff I think it is that we have in the UK called Nubuck a very >thin sliver of real leather stuck to a polymer base and the roughes up to >give a nap. Then the only thing that will work; stay for a while and not >degrade the backing so that it shreds from the inside is;;;; believe it or >not water colour paint , the proper artist stuff .. ... ...Hope this helps. --Dave >+++++++++++++++++++++ >> -Poster: "Broneske" >> I have a pair of black shoes made from that God-awful, man-made suede stuff >> that makes your feet sweat, ... ... Dave--If this is a water color, won't it come off on sweaty feet/the socks covering them? Just wondering. Thank you for your thoughts/experience. -- Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 21:07:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29246 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:07:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23949; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:24:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28327 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:21:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f39.hotmail.com [207.82.250.50]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28321 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:21:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 92383 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 1999 02:21:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19990910022110.92382.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.156.3.84 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:21:09 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.156.3.84] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 9/9/99: Delightful! Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:21:09 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" >From: "Erica Pence" >Okay, I confess, I am a lurker. What now? Forced to talk, you say. What >is this world coming to? > >Penny asked if the lurkers were introverts. I would have to say not >necessarily. I am primarily a lurker (with an occasional post) and am >actually quite the extrovert. By the time I have hit the keyboard at the >end of a long day, I am simply too tired to join in the many interesting >conversations on this list, as well as other lists I lurk. Therefore, I >have become perfectly content with reading. I enjoy the questions, the >answers, the informative posts, and admittedly even the occasional >argument. Hey, Jerry Springer is just too much for me. I will settle with >a good costuming debate any day. > Well... sometimes this list can get a *bit* like Jerry Springer! I found this comment so interesting --extrovert in real life, "introvert" --or quiet --on the list. Although in the past I have been quite the extrovert on the list, I am in truth an introvert in real life. My fiance is always saying, "Now, it's your turn to talk. You tell me a story, for once." And I can't ever think of a darn thing to say. But give me a keyboard-- and look out! This was a delightful idea, Penny. Thank you. Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 21:09:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29257 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:09:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24362; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28838 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:24:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28830 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:24:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990910022631.20051.rocketmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.22.77.23] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:26:31 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:26:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Toney Subject: H-COST: ;-( *sigh* To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sarah Toney Please? Anyone? I know that my earlier e-mail went out because I rec'd a copy... I still am searching for help on my hat question... On the up side, I did make the 1920's slip dress that Vogue put out recently... great pattern... relatively simple if you pay attention (I didn't and ended up taking the whole thing apart again ;-)). Sarah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 21:21:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29272 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:21:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25623; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:38:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00433 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:35:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f175.hotmail.com [207.82.251.61]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA00427 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:35:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 59711 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 1999 02:35:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19990910023512.59710.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.156.3.84 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:35:11 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.156.3.84] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/18C stays and shoulder straps Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:35:11 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Yes. This is exactly what it was for. That, and making one sit & stand up straight, with good posture. Altho' --there are strapless versions. JP Ryan's is fine for making a serviceable 1770s working corset *without* straps. I use basket reed and steels for the boning, steels on the seams, reed in between, and although you usually have to replace one or two during the year, they are very comfortable and easy to wear. And cheap... a whole reel of 1/2" reed costs about 7 bucks & makes dozens of corsets, with 30 to 40 bones apiece. Just cut them to length, round off the ends, rub them with wax, and insert. Susannah >-Poster: "Mary HInton" > >Re Tudor stays and the teenager who didn't like the shoulder straps. > >I think both N Waugh and Cunnington state that the shoulder straps also >serve to narrow the back and expand the chest - this is more than just >keeping the stays in place. I am sure a present day teenager might find >this a bit uncomfortable. I have seen pictures of 18C stays where the >shoulder strap goes from the high boned back, forward and down over the >shoulder and fastens quite a way back under the arm. I am not sure if this >was to give the wide neckline, and/or to pull the shoulders back. > >---Mary "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 21:22:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29276 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:22:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25720; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:39:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00669 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:37:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from loki.intrepid.net (IDENT:root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00664 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:37:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sue.computercrafters.com (pm3frd1-68-87.intrepid.net [206.102.68.87]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01996 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:37:16 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990909224058.0080bcf0@intrepid.net> X-Sender: sshatto@intrepid.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 22:40:58 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sue Shatto Subject: Re: H-COST: To Erica re. "drawer tucking" In-Reply-To: <19990909192858.7218.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sue Shatto Sarah, if you don't think you will be able to get the hat done by Friday, I do have a repro beaded (with elastic headband). One is gray and one is a gold tone. They $20 Let me know if you need it. At 12:28 PM 9/9/99 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: Sarah Toney > >Alright! I just can't STAND it anymore! There is NO >WAY I can keep my mouth shut for a WHOLE DAY! > >*phew* I feel better. > >I actually have a very important question that has a >time constraint, or I would have kept quiet until >tomorrow... > >I bought the 1920's hat pattern from Past Patterns... >I made the large size, and it is too small for my >head! Argh! Has anyone used this pattern? If so, >did you run into this problem, and how did you fix it? > Please help... we are putting on a 1920's coctail >party on Saturday night and I REALLY need this. > >Oh, and thanks for the laugh. > >> in the very ACT of tucking. (Tucking, I said! >> Somehow that looks awful when written.) In the same > >Sarah > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > Cordially, Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com http://www.VictorianMillinery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 21:29:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29284 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:29:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26590; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:46:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01596 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:44:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f271.hotmail.com [207.82.251.162]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA01590 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 37566 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 1999 02:43:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19990910024346.37565.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.156.3.84 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:43:46 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.156.3.84] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Busks Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:43:46 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" I have ordered from Farthingales and they not only have the busks, their service is impeccable. Greenberg & Hammer's prices were a bit high, but they have the very short ones (9") for shrimps like me. I have also ordered them from Saundra Altman (pastpat@thepoint.net) or thru her website www.pastpatterns.com Although she doesn't carry them in her catalog anymore, she has oodles of them in her shop & might still be persuaded to part with them if you can't find the correct size anywhere else. Susannah >From: "V. Renee Bedford" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume-digest@indra.com >Subject: H-COST: Busks >Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 08:57:01 -0500 > > >-Poster: "V. Renee Bedford" > >Megan, have you tried http://www.farthingales.on.ca/clasps.htm#busks ? > >HTH, Renée (delurking for 2nd time today!) > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 21:34:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29297 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:34:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27173; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:51:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02380 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:49:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f143.hotmail.com [207.82.251.22]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02367 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:49:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 90576 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 1999 02:48:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19990910024838.90575.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.156.3.84 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:48:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.156.3.84] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: To Erica re. "drawer tucking" Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:48:37 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Did you try calling Saundra directly and asking her about it? She is always very helpful on the phone, and wants you to be happy with her patterns. She will have a good idea for expanding the hat, I just know. Susannah >From: Sue Shatto >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: To Erica re. "drawer tucking" >Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 22:40:58 -0400 > > >-Poster: Sue Shatto > >Sarah, > if you don't think you will be able to get the hat done by Friday, I do >have a repro beaded (with elastic headband). One is gray and one is a gold >tone. They $20 >Let me know if you need it. > >At 12:28 PM 9/9/99 -0700, you wrote: > > > >-Poster: Sarah Toney > > > >Alright! I just can't STAND it anymore! There is NO > >WAY I can keep my mouth shut for a WHOLE DAY! > > > >*phew* I feel better. > > > >I actually have a very important question that has a > >time constraint, or I would have kept quiet until > >tomorrow... > > > >I bought the 1920's hat pattern from Past Patterns... > >I made the large size, and it is too small for my > >head! Argh! Has anyone used this pattern? If so, > >did you run into this problem, and how did you fix it? > > Please help... we are putting on a 1920's coctail > >party on Saturday night and I REALLY need this. > > > >Oh, and thanks for the laugh. > > > >> in the very ACT of tucking. (Tucking, I said! > >> Somehow that looks awful when written.) In the same > > > >Sarah > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > > >Cordially, > >Sue Shatto > >Sue@VictorianMillinery.com >http://www.VictorianMillinery.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 21:39:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29301 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:39:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27769; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:56:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03082 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:54:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f202.hotmail.com [207.82.251.93]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA03072 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:54:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 60471 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 1999 02:53:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19990910025334.60470.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.156.3.84 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:53:33 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.156.3.84] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Wool Question Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:53:33 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" Why don't you try felting it? We do this all the time with lighter weight woolens to thicken them up & make them toasty for capes, coats, etc. Wash with detergent in hot water, then rinse in very cold water. Use your washing machine. Dry in the dryer. Voila! Very nice, thick wool. Susannah > >I don't know if I'm an "in" or an "ex" but I have a question just the same. > >Before I send back this wool that I thought was at least 13 oz. > >Does anyone know of any uses in medieval/renaissance periods of a >lightweight wool such as a gabardine? It's really lovely material and if I >was inclined to make myself a dress suit, it would be of this material. As >it turns, I was intending to make some capes and trews from it and wanted a >heavier weight. > >Thanks in advance. > >~Kyna (who sometimes lurks...sometimes saves posts to read later and >sometimes even butts into the conversation) > ---- >ICQ#12859312 >Grannd Garb >Historic Clothing, Supplies and Accessories >http://GranndGarb.com > >http://TheMarketSquare.com >COMING SOON!! Ask for details about your selling space now. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Svanhildr Valdimarsdottir >To: >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 12:24 AM >Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? > > > > > > -Poster: Svanhildr Valdimarsdottir > > > > At 07:32 PM 09/08/1999 , you wrote: > > > > > >-Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" > > > > > > As I am not at the level of expertise most others seem to >be. >I > > >read, I try, I learn...I lurk...thus, am I ... Carol > > > > What she said! :-> > > > > Svanny > > > > > > Svanhildr Valdimarsdottir )O( > > Barony of Gyldenholt, Kingdom of Caid > > kittykat@primenet.com > > ICQ: 12691776 (NyteRaevyn) > > AIM: SvanhildrV > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 21:51:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29338 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:51:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28905; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04704 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:06:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04699 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.218.137.55] (benfatto.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.137.55]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA13084 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:05:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: benfatto@pop.ne.mediaone.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909100235.UAA00472@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:10:49 -0400 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Elaine Benfatto Subject: H-COST: Glove pattern Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Elaine Benfatto A few weeks ago someone on this list was looking for a pattern to sew kid gloves for herself. This evening I happened to stumble on some pretty extensive instructions in an old library book: Novel Materials Editor: David L. Harrison (from the series: The Art of Sewing, edited by Carlotta Erwin) New York: Time-Life Books, 1974 The glove chapter falls on pages 70-83. It contains patterns, special instructions on preparing the leather for gloves (things I'd never seen in any other leather book!) and sewing instructions for a couple of different glove styles. It looks quite interesting! Elaine (who is also delurking for the first time tonight!) Elaine Benfatto (Cambridge, MA) benfatto@mediaone.net http://people.ne.mediaone.net/benfatto/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 22:00:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29404 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:00:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00911; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:17:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05951 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:14:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (edtnps04.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.104]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05922 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clgrtnt2-port-50.agt.net ([161.184.43.50]:1027 "HELO Freya") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <69824-15682>; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:14:07 -0600 X-Sender: agottfre@pop.telusplanet.net (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: H-COST: OT: Anti-lurk day X-Mailer: Message-Id: <19990910031410Z69824-15682+42@smtp1.telusplanet.net> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:14:07 -0600 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) I usually lurk, because my interest area is pretty darn obscure: the dress of the mixed-blood (i.e. half-breed) 'country wives' of Canadian fur traders, 1774-1821. My last project was sewing a new, more historically correct pair of knee-high leggins of red Melton cloth just in time for the Rocky Mountain House bicentennial in July. Then Joan Jurancich (hi!) very politely pointed out I was wearing them sideways. Thanks, Joan! (Really!) And thanks to everyone who's answered the questions I've occasionally posted to the list over the last three years. Your obliged and obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 22:26:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29500 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:26:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04689; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:42:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09596 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:40:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.tds.net (mail.tds.net [204.246.1.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09588 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from agast (mawi144-197.dsl.tds.net [204.71.144.197]) by mail.tds.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA27342 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:40:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990909223950.015b41bc@mail.tds.net> X-Sender: agast@mail.tds.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 22:39:50 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Anne Gast Subject: Re: H-COST:De-Lurking In-Reply-To: <265851b2.250979c5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Anne Gast OK, I have built my courage enough to delurk. This is worse than talking to a room full of people. (I guess, this is talking to more than a roomful.) I make costumes for IFGS and Magic Horizens, my live action, live combat (foam weapons, no pain), medieval/fantasy role-playing groups. I lurk because I feel I don't know enough to contribute, but I love learning from this list and from the books recommended. I especially enjoyed the Irish costuming threads. I have wondered when the bagged sleeves on leines started appearing. Or conversely, what period is it appropiate not to have them? Anne Madison, Wisconsin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 22:47:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29519 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:47:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09417; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:04:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12720 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:01:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12712 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:01:57 -0600 (MDT) From: Gwnvr@aol.com Received: from Gwnvr@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6FQItTTmh_ (4555) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:52:15 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Happy List Member To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 24 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Gwnvr@aol.com OK, I have about fifteen minutes to speak up I guess. I only occasionally de-lurk to ask questions but I learn so much from reading. Ironically, I hate to sew...I just love to wear costumes and I 'm not happy unless they're "right" or as right as I can reasonably get them. I work as a historical interpreter for a museum and do historical dancing. I sew when I need something to wear. I could never begin to sew on the level of most of you. I'm adequate but forget trying to enlarge patterns from books or drape muslins, etc. It's way beyond me. Still I enjoy following along vicariously and seeing your creations online. (I have a report card from kindergarten that says, "Jennifer is a bright little girl but she spends too much time playing in the dress up room being a princess. Please encourage her to spend more time at the science table and the math corner." I'm still wondering how much time is "too much" for a five year old to spend playing dress-up???? Apparently I 'm still trying to get back in there!!!) Jen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 22:58:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29534 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:58:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10699; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:15:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14456 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:13:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f248.hotmail.com [207.82.251.139]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA14447 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:13:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 77688 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 1999 04:12:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19990910041244.77687.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 166.90.42.247 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:12:43 PDT X-Originating-IP: [166.90.42.247] From: "L.L. Johnson" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Shoe dyeing question Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:12:43 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "L.L. Johnson" Hi there Would it be possible to recover them? Maybe you could find a fabric or a light-weight leather (ie garmet weight pig skin) in the shade you want and just stitch it over the offending black pseudo-suede by hand. As for finding the leather, Tandy has a website which is taking the place of most of their stores. Don't know the exact e-dress so you'll have to use your favorite search engine and look it up. De-lurking for the second time. Lonna (Enyd) >From: Merouda the True of Bornover >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: Shoe dyeing question >Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:22:29 -0700 > > >-Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > > > I have a pair of black shoes made from that God-awful, man-made suede >stuff > > that makes your feet sweat, and I need to change to color to red. Does > > anyone know if there is a way I can dye or paint this type of material > > without ruining it? > >wow. I suspect you are stuck with black shoes. Not because of the >fabric/materials but because once something is black, it's pretty much >black >for life. Unless you have bleach and then it's probably going to be gray. >I >could, of course, be mistaken about this. You could certainly paint it >with a >paint that would cover it but the paint would probably ruin the shoes in >the >end. > >Cynthia >-- >Cynthia Long >Merouda the True of Bornover >Barony of Madrone >Kingdom of An Tir > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 23:37:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29620 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:37:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13624; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:54:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19449 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:52:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19430 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:52:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.183] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11PIfQ-0003CP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:52:08 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:14:42 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: To Erica re. "drawer tucking" In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990909224058.0080bcf0@intrepid.net> References: <19990909192858.7218.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 10:40 PM 09/09/1999 -0400, you wrote: -Poster: Sue Shatto > >Sarah, > if you don't think you will be able to get the hat done by Friday, I do >have a repro beaded (with elastic headband). One is gray and one is a gold >tone. They $20 >Let me know if you need it. I have dealt with Sue and am very happy with her and the hat she sold me. -- Carol, who rec's and expects no stipend for saying any of this ... _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Thu Sep 9 23:57:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29629 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:57:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14857; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21488 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:11:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21477 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:11:04 -0600 (MDT) From: JPMcTeer@aol.com Received: from JPMcTeer@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6ROBa06600 (3891) for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <215d042b.2509eca0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:09:52 EDT Subject: H-COST: Victorian "Fancy Dress" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: JPMcTeer@aol.com I have committed to do a (slide) lecture for the local Victorian Society in October on ideas for costumes for our Victorian "masked ball" next January. I have found Planche 1881and Strutt (rare book room) in our library catalogs, as well as the Butterick Masquerade book for 1892. I purchased the new book on Canadian "Magnificent Entertainments" by Cynthia Cooper. I haven't checked yet on the dates, but I think that Vecellio, Racinet, and Braun & Schneider came out before 1900 (and are now in Dover reprint.) This is only a 45 minute lecture, but I would like to make a listing of books (especially cheap Dover reprints) for a handout. What have I missed? Is there anything with color plates? Does anyone want to sell me copies of their slides? As you might know, I usually lecture and do workshops on corsets and other "body-shaping garments" so I don't have much on this topic, unless I own the books for some other reason. I haven't had time to check them all yet. Thanks to you all for delurking and for the useful thread on the Laughing Moon corset, chemise, and kit. I too am a very satisfied customer of Farthingales for supplies. Joan McTeer Minneapolis (who by now has missed the 9/9/99 deadline!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 00:17:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29652 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:17:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16236; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:31:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23621 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:29:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA23608 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:29:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 230 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 05:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?207.231.70.157?) (207.231.70.157) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 05:31:07 -0000 X-Sender: karolee@keith.lloyd.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:29:34 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: karolee@fenris.net (Karolee Smiley) Subject: Re: H-COST:De-Lurking Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: karolee@fenris.net (Karolee Smiley) > >I don't contribute much for several reasons -- > > 1) I don't have a great deal of time to spend on-line, and most of that >time is taken > up just READING the messages...... > > 2) Most of the messages aren't dealing with timeframes or garments I have > much knowledge about or interest in...... > > 3) Frequently, when I DO find something that I could respond to --- I go >down several more messages and find that someone has already answered it! > I'm in the same boat, especially since I can't always read my mail everyday. Imagine my surprise to find nearly 200 messages since I last checked on Tuesday evening! By the time I find out about a thread, its usually over. Even this is almost past schedule. Kaitlin Karolee _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 00:35:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29663 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:35:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17418; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:51:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25697 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:49:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25690 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:49:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([208.253.190.185]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990910054836.FZNN24367@worldnet.att.net> for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:48:36 +0000 Message-ID: <37D89755.D69C85D8@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 22:29:57 -0700 From: Carolyn Richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Med Misc & other things Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carolyn Richardson Medieval Misc. patterns tend to be awful - I can't recommend them. They say they were drafted by Laurels of the SCA but they don't say they were drafted by *costuming* Laurels. I can't make heads or tails of them either so they weren't drafted by calligraphy and Illumination Laurels either. I'm not really lurking - I just rejoined the list a few days ago after about a 6 month hiatus. Due mostly to becoming the SCA's Society Exchequer, so I've been furiously trying to get the financials done and off to the CPA. Thank god that's almost done. What's next? Making a corset for a friend in Canada who just recently joined the SCA, and doesn't have the guts to try making one herself. Then some new Regencies for next year's Costume College, and maybe an Edwardian Ballgown. In the more immediate future, a new Italian for Crown next weekend (god willing the spreadsheets not falling apart). Carolyn (aka Tetchubah) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 00:35:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29667 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:35:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17474; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:51:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25736 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:49:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (IDENT:root@sm0101.promedia.net [209.160.170.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25730 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:49:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from j9g8x8 (ppp-209-160-171-95.01.promedia.net [209.160.171.95]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA17036 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:49:23 -0700 Message-ID: <004101befb50$9062c4a0$5faba0d1@j9g8x8> From: "Broneske" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Shoe dyeing question Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:51:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Broneske" Thanks to everyone who replied about my shoe dyeing question. I think that perhaps I might try to cover them since that may be the best looking way of doing it. Thanks again. Joan Broneske unicorn@softcom.net @-->---------------- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 00:39:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29675 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:39:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17754; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:55:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26031 for h-costume-outgoing; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:52:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.radiks.net (mail.radiks.net [205.138.126.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26025 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:52:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup (56K-lnk-158.radiks.net [206.29.243.160]) by mail.radiks.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA03255 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:51:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990910004734.03d2894c@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:47:34 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: H-COST: Re: patterns, gingham In-Reply-To: <199909092144.PAA09318@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger >- -Poster: Donna Kenton > >A trick I learned was to make the initial one out of gingham. Make sure >it's the woven check, not the printed one. It's more expensive than >muslin, but you can see the grain lines so much easier, which makes it >easier for me to use. > Also, if you use the 1" check, it makes an automatic grid for scaling up patterns - just draw on the gingham! Sandy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 01:16:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29711 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:16:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20321; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:32:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29549 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:30:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from exchange.acer.edu.au (exchange.acer.edu.au [203.2.133.26]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29534 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by exchange.acer.edu.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:25:46 +1000 Message-ID: From: Harvey Georgia To: "'H-costume'" Subject: Re: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep!/Laughing Moon Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:25:42 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Harvey Georgia From: AnnoraK@aol.com Subject: Re: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep!/Laughing Moon Re: Georgia's question about the Laughing Moon corset pattern -- I built my first corset last month using this pattern. I made the Dore Straight Seam out of coutil, with an outside layer of moire. I followed their suggestions of making a muslin and doing two test fittings. I had to trim back the underarm areas about 1/2" - 3/4", but other than that, it went together smoothly and easily, even with feline interference. But, then I was sorta paranoid about screwing the whole thing up, so did everything by the rules, tracing out all lines and markings and all the other stuff that I usually don't do with the rest of my projects. One suggestion, though -- trace out the pattern onto butcher paper, if you weren't planning to already. -- Thanks Jen. One other question - has anybody made the pattern *with* the gores? I'm very busty, and very hourglass, so I'll have to be making that one :-) Cheers Georgia _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 01:24:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29720 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:24:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20863; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:40:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00370 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:38:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA00359 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:38:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:38:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 11046 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 06:39:46 -0000 Received: from 88.64.3-6.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (HELO JOANJURA) (207.231.64.88) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 06:39:46 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19990909233940.3ee76ad8@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Subject: H-COST: Finished Object -- Elizabethan Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Joan M Jurancich Well, I *finally* finished my gown for the Northern California Renaissance Pleasure Faire. I sewed the buttons on just before I got dressed on this past Saturday morning . It's a midnight blue velveteen with three rows of gold braid down each skirt front. The high-bodied bodice has two different gold/black braids; one kind on the shoulder seams and another on the center back seam, collar seams, and around the edges of the sleeve caps. The buttons down the front (all functional) are a mounded golden metal filagree about 5/8th inches in diameter with two matching 3/8th-inch-diameter ones for the collar. This time I attached the bodice to the skirt since I am tired of trying to keep from having gaposis; besides, that means that I don't need to have something *else* tight about the waist, the farthingale and underskirt are enough, thank you . Since I had a pair of sleeves I had made several years ago, and enough of the fabric and trim, I decided to make a matching forepart for the underskirt; it's a salmon-pink textured velvet (intended for upholstery) with four rows of two kinds of bright gold trim, one a lace and one a braid (sort of). The four rows go down the center of the skirt to about 3 inches above the hem, then split and go across the bottom, following the curve of the hem (with two additional rows added to keep with the 4-row theme). Oh, the sleeves are lined with saffron-coloured cotton , makes them very colourful. I don't have any pictures, but if anyone on the list visited the Renaissance Pleasure Faire (in Vacaville, CA, at the Nut Tree) this past weekend, you may have seen me (aka Mistress Blanche Parry, chief Gentlewoman to the Queen) in attendance upon Her Grace. And yes, it was hot, and I sweated a lot, but, boy, do we look good! I'll be back at Faire for the last four weekends (September 25 through October 17). Hope to see you there! Joan Jurancich aka Mistress Blanche Parry, chief Gentlewoman to the Queen [RPFN] joanj@quiknet.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 05:13:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26311 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:13:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01662; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:29:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09749 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:26:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA09744 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:26:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA29028.; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:31:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:25:25 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:25:07 +0100 From: "KATE M BUNTING" To: Subject: H-COST: Re: De-Lurking Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id EAA09745 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "KATE M BUNTING" To Jill of ECWS: I'm thrilled to hear that there *is* another 17th century enthusiast on the list. It's always seemed as though I was the only one! Like Jennifer, I dislike sewing and only make what I feel I really need for reenactment purposes, so my contributions to the list are mainly on social history, word definitions etc. Joining this list has made me more authenticity-conscious, especially as my present role as a civilian musician in the Sealed Knot brings me into much more direct contact with the public than in my previous career as a musketeer. The hot weather we've had this summer has made me decide that my next project must be a sleeveless bodice which will be cooler than my woollen one. Kate Bunting King's Lifeguard of Foote/ Captaine Generalls Musick, Sealed Knot _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 06:00:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26355 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:00:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03482; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:16:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13587 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:14:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA13582 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:14:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [38.30.47.225] (ip225.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.47.225]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA23152 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909101114.EAA23152@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: H-COST: Victorian Dress Book Date: Fri, 10 Sep 99 07:20:41 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: To: "Historic Costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Ah ha! I can unlurk and contribute at the same time!! To Joan: "Victorian Fashions & Costumes From Harpers Bazaar: 1867-1898 - Published by Dover - Introduction by Stella Blum - part of their pictorial archive series - first published in 1974 - I found on ebay, do not know if still published, is black & white but has over 1000 illustrationsxz from fashion plates. To quote from the blurb on the back cover of the book. " These illustrations not only give you what apparel appealed...but give you an idea of the evolutionary nature of fashion as well. Good descriptions of the outfit - illustrations are superb - shows accessories and underpinnings as well. Margo King in Potomac _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 08:42:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26571 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:42:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14310; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:56:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01776 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:54:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from nautilus.shore.net (nautilus.shore.net [207.244.124.104]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01769 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:54:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell3.shore.net [207.244.124.103] by nautilus.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 11PR88-0005Bt-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:54:20 -0400 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) id 11PR87-0006Rz-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:54:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:54:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Katy Bishop To: JPMcTeer@aol.com cc: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Fancy dress reprint In-Reply-To: <215d042b.2509eca0@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Katy Bishop On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 JPMcTeer@aol.com wrote: > >I have committed to do a (slide) lecture for the local Victorian Society in >October on ideas for costumes for our Victorian "masked ball" next January. >I have found Planche 1881and Strutt (rare book room) in our library catalogs, >as well as the Butterick Masquerade book for 1892. I purchased the new book >on Canadian "Magnificent Entertainments" by Cynthia Cooper. I haven't checked >yet on the dates, but I think that Vecellio, Racinet, and Braun & Schneider >came out before 1900 (and are now in Dover reprint.) Don't know if any of these would be of interest to your group, but.... We have just reprinted the Butterick Masquerade and Carnival Book, 1892. We also publish other small costume booklets on dress of the 19th and early 20th Centuries, primarily aimed at helping Vintage Dancers. Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 09:03:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26592 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:03:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16235; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:17:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05354 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:14:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05338 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:14:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-79-19.s19.tnt5.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.79.19]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA02914 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00a101befb96$763e1980$4b3daccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Strike is over!!! Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:12:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" Boy, it was very tempting to jump on that Civil War uniform question, but I sat on my hands!!! Margo did a great job of going cold turkey! R. L. I love to pick on you, I know you haven't been on for a while, because of that bad server, but we love your input. And I for one have missed you not being on the list. Melanie, I am so happy you are back on the list. For the lurkers... I am SO proud of you! WOW! What great intros and questions. For those of you who commented that you couldn't sew, I can't sew anymore. Too many years behind the sewing machine did my back in. Four years ago when I first came on this list, I was a college student who knew little about historic costume. I have learned so much from this list and made some really good friends. I have even had the chance to meet some of you when traveling through Richmond, or at conventions or museum exhibit openings. My family and Miss Mela's family even spent the 4th of July together (1812 overtune with real cannons). A lot of the great opportunities I have had are because of some of the people I have met on this list. Heck, I have even located two very distant internet cousins on the list, Doris and Hope. My hat is off to all of you! BUT lurkers please continue to speak up and let us know you are there! I am so glad you all introduced yourselves! Extroverts are like a butterfly in a room of beautiful flowers. We want to see and meet every flower and each flower makes up a beautiful garden. So keep on talking lurkers. If you have a question, chances are other people had the same question but were afraid to ask. Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 09:06:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26596 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:06:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16931; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:20:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06077 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:18:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06070 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:18:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-79-19.s19.tnt5.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.79.19]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA04575 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00a901befb97$08619940$4b3daccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Subject: H-COST: Button holes Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:16:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I was watching Alfred Hitchcock presents the other night. Mr. Hitchcock stated that buttons were invented 100 years prior to buttonholes. Is this true??? Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 09:55:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26629 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:55:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23489; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:11:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16409 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:09:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from email.boisestate.edu (email.boisestate.edu [132.178.16.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16389 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:08:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cobfac.boisestate.edu (cobfac.boisestate.edu [132.178.51.3]) by email.boisestate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13174 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:10:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199909101510.JAA13174@email.boisestate.edu> Received: from COBFAC/SpoolDir by cobfac.boisestate.edu (Mercury 1.44); 10 Sep 99 09:08:51 -0700 Received: from SpoolDir by COBFAC (Mercury 1.44); 10 Sep 99 09:08:34 -0700 From: "Linda Yordy" Organization: College of Business & Economics To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:08:31 -0700 Subject: H-COST: Leather doublet questions Priority: normal References: <37D73BA0.6C6C6B53@bc.sympatico.ca> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Linda Yordy" Greetings! Am looking for advice from those of you who know about sewing with leather. I picked up a wonderful piece of navy blue leather (not sure if blue leather is period, but it looks and feels great!) and I want to make a 16th century man's doublet out of it. I've never sewn on real leather before. I've heard that I need a leather sewing machine needle (this is very supple leather and should go through the machine ok). I've also heard to use longer stitches than I would with woven fabric. I'm thinking about using some slashing and pinking to add interest and line it with a bright, contrasting color to show off the slashes. Any suggestions on the slashes? Should I keep them smaller (1/2 inch or so big) so that the leather won't stretch? Seems to me (the book is at home so I can't reference it now) that the pictures I've seen in Janet Arnold show the pinking and slashing to be fairly small. As far as seams go, I was planning to use a modified flat felled seam when sewing leather to leather - sew right sides together, trim one seam allowance to about 1/4 inch, press both seam allowances in the same direction with the longer one on top, then top stitch in place (just like regular flat felled only the raw edge isn't turned under to keep bulk down). Anyone have experience, suggestions on seaming leather? For sewing leather to fabric lining, I was planning to just stitch as usual (with longer stitch length). Will this work? I assume I don't need to worry about grainline with leather, or do I? I know that with synthetic suede (Ultrasuede), you can turn the pattern pieces anyway you want. I plan to use three layers: lining, interlining, and leather. Usually when I make a doublet or bodice, I treat the lining and interlining as one unit. Would it be better to use the interlining (which is the layer that will show under the leather) and the leather as one unit instead. Or does it matter? Any other caveats? Thanks! Linda Yordy Phone: 208/426-4034 Boise State University Center for Management Development 1910 University Drive Boise, ID 83725-1660 ******************************************************** Yordy's Law #3: When wearing white, apply your lunch directly to your shirt -- it will end up there anyway. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 10:14:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26678 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:14:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26219; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:29:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21178 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:27:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from Princeton.EDU (outbound2.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.120]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21170 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:27:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailserver.Princeton.EDU (mailserver.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.65]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07589 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from witsend2 (witsend2.Princeton.EDU [128.112.234.12]) by mailserver.Princeton.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA13870 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:27:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "GRM Files" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Button holes Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:27:31 -0400 Message-ID: <003901befba0$ffeb1c50$0cea7080@witsend2.Princeton.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <00a901befb97$08619940$4b3daccf@e4c2n6> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "GRM Files" On-line Encyclopedia Britannica says about buttons: button usually disklike piece of solid material having holes or a shank through which it is sewed to one side of an article of clothing and used to fasten or close the garment by passing through a loop or hole in the other side. Purely decorative, nonutilitarian buttons are also frequently used on clothing. The ancient Greeks and Etruscans fastened their tunics at the shoulders with buttons and loops. In medieval Europe, garments were laced together or fastened with brooches or clasps and points, until buttonholes were invented in the 13th century. [rest of item truncated as inapplicable.] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 11:19:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26914 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:19:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05743; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:34:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07550 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:31:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.zebra.net (mail.zebra.net [209.12.13.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07536 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:31:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zebra.net ([209.12.238.68]) by mail.zebra.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:27:12 -0500 Message-ID: <37D93274.A94E309F@zebra.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:31:48 -0500 From: Meribeth McCombs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Confederate Uniform Braid References: <005501befadb$4a43ed20$4caba0d1@j9g8x8> <37D7E77D.C66B6B9@zebra.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Meribeth McCombs Everyone...thanks to a wonderful list member I now know what kind of braid..but I still have no idea what the best attachment method for it is. Help! MeriBeth _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 11:39:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26966 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:39:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09425; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12350 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:50:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12337 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p36.directcon.net [206.170.184.135]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA27161 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909101648.JAA27161@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/18C stays and shoulder straps Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson .. a whole >reel of 1/2" reed costs about 7 bucks & makes dozens of corsets, with 30 to >40 bones apiece. Just cut them to length, round off the ends, rub them with >wax, and insert. Do you have a mail order source for reed? Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 11:54:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27009 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:54:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12150; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:10:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16816 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:07:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16808 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p36.directcon.net [206.170.184.135]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29319 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909101705.KAA29319@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Med Misc & other things Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson At 10:29 PM 09/09/1999 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: Carolyn Richardson > >Medieval Misc. patterns tend to be awful - I can't recommend them. They >say they were drafted by Laurels of the SCA but they don't say they were >drafted by *costuming* Laurels. That, and these patterns have been around a *long* time. For all we know, they may have been created back in the first few years of the SCA, when the standards were much, much, lower. Does anyone know anything definitive about the history of this company? How long they've been around, who did the patterns, etc? Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 12:02:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27083 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:02:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13633; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:18:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19107 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:15:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19092 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p36.directcon.net [206.170.184.135]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00421 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909101714.KAA00421@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Fancy dress reprint Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson .. >We have just reprinted the Butterick Masquerade and Carnival Book, >1892. well, that might explain why I've been unable to resell the 1900 edition that my husband spent a small fortune on. Rats. Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 12:07:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27132 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:07:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14237; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:23:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20249 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:21:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20237 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p36.directcon.net [206.170.184.135]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01119 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909101719.KAA01119@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Strike is over!!! Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson Margo did a great job of going cold turkey! Thanks Penny! It wasn't easy, but it was worth it to hear from all the lurkers. I've had several people ask me lately how and why I manage to spend so much time on the list. the "how" is that I'm a speed reader, so it takes me less than an hour to read 300+ emails a day. The reason why I spend so much time here is that I'm a full time mother of small children. This list is the only way I get to talk to adults who are interested in the same things as I am, rather than the Stepford Moms at the bus stop. I really believe that I would not be as good a mother as I am if I didn't have H-costume to provide me with a social life and some intellectual stimulation. Thanks, everyone! Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 12:19:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27168 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:19:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15907; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:34:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22769 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:32:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22756 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:32:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990910173216.LNZK16271.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:32:16 -0700 Message-ID: <37D940B1.781CC2B5@home.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:32:33 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Leather doublet questions References: <37D73BA0.6C6C6B53@bc.sympatico.ca> <199909101510.JAA13174@email.boisestate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kat & Kent Linda Yordy wrote: > Am looking for advice from those of you who know about sewing > with leather. BTDT....have a leather cotehardie I *really* need to finish! > I've never sewn on real leather before. I've heard that I need a > leather sewing machine needle (this is very supple leather and > should go through the machine ok). I've also heard to use longer > stitches than I would with woven fabric. I would *definately* get leather needles! But I use the same stitch length I do on woven fabrics (2 on my machine). > I'm thinking about using some slashing and pinking to add interest > and line it with a bright, contrasting color to show off the slashes. > Any suggestions on the slashes? Should I keep them smaller (1/2 > inch or so big) so that the leather won't stretch? Seems to me (the > book is at home so I can't reference it now) that the pictures I've > seen in Janet Arnold show the pinking and slashing to be fairly > small. I haven't done slashes in leather so am not sure of this. If the lining is sturdy I shouldn't think that you need be concerned about the leather stretching. > As far as seams go, I was planning to use a modified flat felled > seam when sewing leather to leather - sew right sides together, > trim one seam allowance to about 1/4 inch, press both seam > allowances in the same direction with the longer one on top, then > top stitch in place (just like regular flat felled only the raw edge > isn't turned under to keep bulk down). Anyone have experience, > suggestions on seaming leather? For sewing leather to fabric > lining, I was planning to just stitch as usual (with longer stitch > length). Will this work? This is what *I* do. I cut the leather with a 1/4" seam allowance on a *slant* (slant cut so that the 'outer' edge is on the right side and the shallower is on the wrong). Then I just sew it together. No problems. There are even tools available from leather making stores (such as Tandy) that allow one to 'shave' leather before seaming it (which is what the Leather God I know of here in town does). IOW you can reduce the thickness of the leather just at the seam line. I hope this made sense, I'm sick today! > I assume I don't need to worry about grainline with leather, or do I? > I know that with synthetic suede (Ultrasuede), you can turn the > pattern pieces anyway you want. You only need to worry about marks on the leather. > I plan to use three layers: lining, interlining, and leather. Usually > when I make a doublet or bodice, I treat the lining and interlining as > one unit. Would it be better to use the interlining (which is the > layer that will show under the leather) and the leather as one unit > instead. Or does it matter? Good question...I rarely use more than two layers with anything but if you're slashing I would think that treating the interlining and the lining as one piece would be fine and might even be preferable to treating the leather and interlining as one piece. Kat waiting with bated breath to see what others say about this! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 12:30:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27223 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:30:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17401; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24849 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:41:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24840 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:41:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id KAA22403; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D9432F.20BFC6C3@serv.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:43:12 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Leather doublet questions References: <37D73BA0.6C6C6B53@bc.sympatico.ca> <199909101510.JAA13174@email.boisestate.edu> <37D940B1.781CC2B5@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > BTDT....have a leather cotehardie I *really* need to finish! > waiting with bated breath to see what others say about this! *I'm* waiting with bated breath to hear all about a leather cotehardie. Ack!! Sounds hot. In more ways than one. ;-> Merouda -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 12:40:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27267 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:40:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18742; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:56:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27479 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:53:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from public.ndh.com (public.ndh.net [194.97.97.21]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27464 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:53:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Andrea (port077.koeln.ndh.net [195.94.92.77]) by public.ndh.com (8.8.7/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA15243 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:53:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37D5839A.CE3077E7@ndh.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 23:28:59 +0200 From: Andrea Clef X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: plastic boning X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------90374ADD723BF6B9F88B9432" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Andrea Clef --------------90374ADD723BF6B9F88B9432 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > May I please ask for details of where the boning can be purchased from? > Living > in the UK which is part of the EU now means that I can order from Germany > without all the problems with paying import duty and so on. Which is the > main > problem that I have with buying from the USA so a more 'local' source would > be very handy. > > Thanks and best wishes > > Lissa > Here I have to point you to my friend Alexa in Munich (who has got the baroque costume website http://www.marquise.de , by the way), she ordered a larger quantity of the plastic boning for our workshop. Maybe she can also provide you with adresses for ordering. Her e-mail is alexa@marquise.de Many greetings, Diana --------------90374ADD723BF6B9F88B9432 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
May I please ask for details of where the boning can be purchased from?
Living
in the UK which is part of the EU now means that I can order from Germany
without all the problems with paying import duty and so on. Which is the
main 
problem that I have with buying from the USA so a more 'local' source would
be very handy.

Thanks and best wishes

Lissa
Here I have to point you to my friend Alexa in Munich (who has got the baroque costume website http://www.marquise.de , by the way), she ordered a larger quantity of  the plastic boning for our workshop.
Maybe she can also provide you with adresses for ordering.
Her e-mail is alexa@marquise.de

Many greetings,
Diana --------------90374ADD723BF6B9F88B9432-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 12:47:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27288 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:47:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19865; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:02:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29107 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:00:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29101; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909101800.MAA29101@net.indra.com> From: "Mary McGuire" To: Subject: H-COST: costuming books on ebay Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Mary McGuire" I have noticed that several members have posted costuming books that they have up on ebay, so I hope that my venture out of lurking isn't against list etiquette. I have several books up, including these that would be of list interest. Go here to find them: http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&us erid=mdbk&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 IL Cappello Da Donna, Women's Hats by Adele Campione A Glossary of the Construction, Decoration and Use of Arms and Armor in All Countries and in All Times,Together with Some Closely Related Subjects by George Cameron Stone Historical Coiffures, Historical Supplements Published by the Gallia Institute in the Gallia Messenger (Look at this one especially. Even if your're not interested in getting it, it is something to see.) Grandmother's Hope Chest, French Sewing by Machine by Martha Pullen Antique Clothing, French Sewing by Machine by Martha Pullen Heirloom Sewing for Women, French Sewing by Machine by Martha Pullen 17th and 18th Century Costume, Victoria & Albert Museum Large Picture Book No.9 The Kashmir Shawl by John Irwin, Victoria & Albert Museum, Museum Monograph 29 Vintage Fashions for Women, 1920's-1940's with values by Kristina Harris Victorian and Edwardian Fashion, A Photographic Survey by Alison Gernsheim European Arms and Armor by Charles Henry Ashdown I'll be putting up more, but slowly. Thanks, Mary _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 12:54:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27294 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:54:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20539; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:08:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00553 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:06:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00544 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:06:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990910180617.GVYP22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:06:17 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:09:34 -0700 Subject: H-COST: Pacific NW Exhibits From: "R.L. Shep" To: "h-costume" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3019806574_117666_MIME_Part" Message-Id: <19990910180617.GVYP22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "R.L. Shep" > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3019806574_117666_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Victoria Rivers -- will be visiting Seattle on October 21-22 to speak at a Thursday evening opening at Material Possessions and to give a "collections seminar" at the Henry Gallery the following noon, October 22nd. Victoria is a professor of textile history and studio fiber arts at UC, Davis. Her visit will coincide with the Thames & Hudson publication of her new book, *The Shining Cloth*. She will be using pieces from the Henry's collection to illustrate points from the book in her talk. Contact Judy Sourakli at the Henry Gallery (543-2281) or me (441-4459) for further details. The Vincent Collection will have an exhibit at the Bainbridge Public Library, entitled *Facinatin' Rhythm* it features evening gowns and wraps from 1920 to 1940. September 26th, to October 3rd *Songet - Gilt Cloth of Indonesia*. 19th & 20th century gold and silver embellished textiles worn on ceremonial occasions in Sumatra and Malaysia. Material Possessions gallery. 1932 First Ave #610. Seattle, WA 98101. Contact Linda Beeman 206-41-4459. Oct 21 through Dec 31. *Woven Symbols: Chinese Garments and Textiles*. Seattle Asian Art Museum. Volunteer Park. Seattle, WA. through 4/2/00. *Talking Fingers: Contemporary Weavings from the Northern Northwest Coast*. Seattle Art Museum. Seattle, WA through 4/23/00. *Textiles and Temples in Northeast India*. Presentation by Robb Shep at the Seattle Textile & Rug Society on Oct 14th. 206-325-8907. email stars.1@usa.net *Broken Threads - From Aryanization to Cultural Loss: The Destruction of the Jewish Fashion Industry in Germany and Austria*. includes 40 costumes. Vancouver Holocaust Ed. Centre. 50-950 W. 41 St. Vancouver, BC V5Z 2N7. 804-264-0499. through 5/15/00. *Woman of Fashion: Guendolen Plestcheeff Collection. Museum of History and Industry. Seattle. through Oct 14. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com --MS_Mac_OE_3019806574_117666_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Pacific NW Exhibits Victoria Rivers -- will be visiting Seattle on October 21-22 to speak a= t a Thursday evening opening at Material Possessions and to give a "col= lections seminar" at the Henry Gallery the following noon, October 22nd= . Victoria is a professor of textile history and studio fiber arts at UC, D= avis. Her visit will coincide with the Thames & Hudson publication of h= er new book, *The Shining Cloth*. She will be using pieces from the Henry'= s collection to illustrate points from the book in her talk.
Contact Judy Sourakli at the Henry Gallery (543-2281) or me (441-4459) for = further details.

The Vincent Collection will have an exhibit at the Bainbridge Public Librar= y, entitled *Facinatin' Rhythm* it features evening gowns and wraps from 192= 0 to 1940. September 26th, to October 3rd

*Songet - Gilt Cloth of Indonesia*. 19th & 20th century gold and silve= r embellished textiles worn on ceremonial occasions in Sumatra and Malaysia.= Material Possessions gallery. 1932 First Ave #610. Seattle, WA 98101. C= ontact Linda Beeman 206-41-4459. Oct 21 through Dec 31.

*Woven Symbols: Chinese Garments and Textiles*. Seattle Asian Art Museum. = Volunteer Park. Seattle, WA. through 4/2/00.

*Talking Fingers: Contemporary Weavings from the Northern Northwest Coast*.= Seattle Art Museum. Seattle, WA through 4/23/00.

*Textiles and Temples in Northeast India*. Presentation by Robb Shep at th= e Seattle Textile & Rug Society on Oct 14th. 206-325-8907. email stars= .1@usa.net

*Broken Threads - From Aryanization to Cultural Loss: The Destruction of th= e Jewish Fashion Industry in Germany and Austria*. includes 40 costumes. V= ancouver Holocaust Ed. Centre. 50-950 W. 41 St. Vancouver, BC V5Z 2N7. 804-= 264-0499. through 5/15/00.

*Woman of Fashion: Guendolen Plestcheeff Collection. Museum of History and= Industry. Seattle. through Oct 14.

~!~ R.L.Shep
http://www.rlshep.com
 --MS_Mac_OE_3019806574_117666_MIME_Part-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 12:58:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27302 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:58:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21374; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01647 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:11:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01637 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:11:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990910181112.MCEQ16271.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:11:12 -0700 Message-ID: <37D949D0.E5F853C8@home.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:11:28 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Leather doublet questions References: <37D73BA0.6C6C6B53@bc.sympatico.ca> <199909101510.JAA13174@email.boisestate.edu> <37D940B1.781CC2B5@home.com> <37D9432F.20BFC6C3@serv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kat & Kent Merouda the True of Bornover wrote: > > *I'm* waiting with bated breath to hear all about a leather > cotehardie. Ack!! Sounds hot. In more ways than one. ;-> Merouda I've got the main body almost done (center front is open still). I need to put in the lining and put on the sleeves although at this point I'm probably going to make them tie-ons. It's out of a midnight to navy blue light to medium weight leather with the suede side out. Because it's a floor length I had to use three different sides to cut it out. It's seven panels (the back was cut on the fold) and will lace up the front to a square neckline. If I'm wearing it anywhere that isn't air conditioned or cold I plan on wearing a farthingale under it to hold the skirt away from my body. It's really not that heavy and once I'm done with the GS leader uniform and find my leader handbook and get the brownie troop started and figure out how I'm going to pay for two more root canals I *may* get it done!! Oh, and the sleeves are cut to come to my knuckles with a slight flare at the bottom from the wrist. Kat the truly exhausted! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 13:02:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27331 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:02:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21940; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02363 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:14:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02347 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:14:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6NNKa09400 (8038) for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:13:40 EDT Subject: H-COST: re: medieval miscellania To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com I don't know anything about the company, but the patterns have been around since I've been in the SCA -- 17 years. (Yikes!) I think it's safe to assume that standards have gone up in the last 17 years, although for all I know the people who drafted the patterns are all costuming geniuses. I own two but I've never used them. I've always heard that they need a LOT of work. Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 13:03:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27335 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:03:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22186; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:19:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02979 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:17:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02969; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909101817.MAA02969@net.indra.com> From: "Bergdahl, Stephen" To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: Helpful Pets Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Bergdahl, Stephen" < but other than that, it went together smoothly and easily, even with feline interference. > Jen In know where you are coming from, except that my little four legged helpers have shorter tails and longer ears. Two rabbits, who are both, convinced that their nest should be lined with velvet, silk, with gold and silver trimmings. It is always fun to find the long piece of fabric that you are working on slowly moving off the cutting table, and out to the hall. It never fails to amaze me how much a 7LB rabbit can pull. Add to that the fact that one of them is a LONG haired white Angora. I have about given up on working on black fabric, and I have found that even white velvet will attract and show white fur. Some days I do remind both of them what lovely Muffs they would make. But most of the time they are dears to live with. Yours Stephen Bergdahl _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 13:32:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27397 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:32:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26072; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:47:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09055 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:45:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA09042 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:45:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990910184730.11640.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.247.217.34] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:47:30 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:47:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Toney Subject: Re: H-COST: Helpful Pets To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sarah Toney I'm with you on this one... two out of my four cats have decided their favorite place to sleep is my cutting table. It is the smooth white surface and is very cool for them to sleep on... of course, this means I can leave any half-cut patterns... pattern tissue is their favorite toy! sarah > < but other than that, it went together smoothly > and easily, even with > feline interference. > > > > > Jen > > In know where you are coming from, except that my > little four legged helpers > have shorter tails and longer ears. Two rabbits, who > are both, convinced > that their nest should be lined with velvet, silk, > with gold and silver > trimmings. It is always fun to find the long piece > of fabric that you are > working on slowly moving off the cutting table, and > out to the hall. It > never fails to amaze me how much a 7LB rabbit can > pull. Add to that the fact > that one of them is a LONG haired white Angora. I > have about given up on > working on black fabric, and I have found that even > white velvet will > attract and show white fur. Some days I do remind > both of them what lovely > Muffs they would make. But most of the time they are > dears to live with. > > Yours Stephen Bergdahl > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 13:52:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27433 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:52:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28557; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:07:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12482 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:02:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12448 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18111 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:01:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp227-119.worldonline.nl [195.241.227.119]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08710 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:01:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909101901.VAA08710@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Thursday, 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:49:21 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi, Barbara Maren wrote: > People always contend that there were no buttons in the middle ages. I > don't know what kinds of buttons you mean, but when I was in the Danish > Nationalmuseet in Kopenhagen in May, they had two complete outfits on > display from the medieval period in Denmark (which began later than > elsewhere, around 1000). These outfits were obviously replicas of dresses > found at excavations or in bogs. And the sleeves did have buttons, a long > row of small fabric-covered buttons all down the outside of the underarm, > to get the narrow sleeve closed. I just don't find my notes on it. It was > 11th or 12th century. I doubt this. The cottes must have been the Hjerjolfsness ones and they date from late 13th to 14th c. This is the time that more well to do people started to use buttons. Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 13:52:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27438 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:52:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28537; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:07:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12499 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:02:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12467 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18134 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:02:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp227-119.worldonline.nl [195.241.227.119]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08714 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:01:59 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909101901.VAA08714@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: The History of Costume Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:54:35 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi, Dietmar wrote: > I've made up one of the > garments this way and it worked wonderfully. I have done two a long time ago. They came out wrong, both of them. It almost looked as if Kohler never tried to make the costumes himself (or had them made), because most of the medieval ones are just not right at all. By now I can see why they are so muddled, but I couldn't then. I don't know about the ones taken from vintage costumes (not my period ;-) Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 13:52:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27439 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:52:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28564; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:07:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12486 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:02:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12429 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:01:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18078 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:01:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp227-119.worldonline.nl [195.241.227.119]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08690 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:01:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909101901.VAA08690@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Delurking Day Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:17:18 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi, > I've been off the list for a little over a year and now finally have the > time to enjoy it once more. It's great to be back! I've been lurking so > far, but I'm sure you'll hear from me again eventually. > Welcome back, Melanie, and well done. Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 13:52:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27445 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:52:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28548; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:07:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12551 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:02:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12485 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18154 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:02:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp227-119.worldonline.nl [195.241.227.119]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08721 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:02:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909101902.VAA08721@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: meep! Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:55:43 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi Lauri wrote: > I'm a grad student (same age as you, Dianne, > and I'd love to hear from you off the list), working on the birth of > fashion in the fourteenth century. Please tell us more, Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 13:52:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27449 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:52:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28554; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:07:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12456 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:02:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12439 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:01:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18095 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:01:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp227-119.worldonline.nl [195.241.227.119]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08701 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:01:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909101901.VAA08701@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:46:02 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi all, Phew, that de-lurking day took some reading time... Susan wrote: > I fall somewhere in between "lurker" and "regular poster." This is > partially because of time constraints, and partially because the period I > study (11th-14th century European, with a big emphasis on the 13th century; > although I also dabble in Norse and 16th century stuff) is not one of the > ones which seems to attract as many enthusiasts (especially the 13th > century, except for Henk, of course :-) > That means we're in about the same league. Being a medieval advisor (we advise on things medieval and I mean all things, not only costume) I tended only to read about and jump in with answers for medieval stuff (1250-1350 is my specialist period) at first, but gradually got more interested in other periods too. I always liked the costume of the late tudor common man (Baldrick in Blackadder) with the beret, doublet and very full and wide kneelenghth breeches, and dito of the 1625-30 common man. Having been to Kirby Hall twice now and having seen the Tudors (a living history group) and the Sealed Knot (a bit later, but what the heck...) I am more resolved than ever. But where will I get the time? My 15th c outfit is not even finished yet... I must confess that I delete most stuff from later than 1650 and earlier than 500 (not a lot, I give you...) and Scottish kilts and Irish leines with the exception of mails on cloth, weaving and dying. I enjoy this list immensely, have the feeling I know a lot of you almost personally and am able to chuckle about a lot of the comments. Keep up the good work everybody and thank you, Penny, for this wonderful idea. Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 13:52:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27453 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:52:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28542; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:07:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12979 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:03:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12970 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:03:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.142]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA28876 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37D9569E.8F197EC@mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:06:06 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Med Misc References: <37D89755.D69C85D8@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Janice Dallas I've used several of the MM patterns with relatively good luck. I don't use their directions since I build for stage work. I found that the Kirtle pattern was printed wrong. If you look at the front seamline you'll notice a break in the black line. If you just fill this in, the Kirtle prows out at the top by 3/4 inch. If the lines are put back together this is eliminated and the garment fits as it should. I mocked up for each size and did the final fit from that for my chorus members. I do my own sleeve pattern, since I like to incorporate a built in gusset for stage movement. We've also done a man's Tudor short gown (had to really let out the waist). I made an Italian overdress (high waist- 1450) that needed little re-fitting for myself. Wore it in the historic Masquerade at CostCon13 (?) in Toronto. That was the one where a Novice reproduced a Worth gown and won the whole show! -- Janice Dallas Boston, MA area JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 13:58:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27474 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:58:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00113; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:14:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14591 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:11:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail-server.sugar-land.dowell.slb.com (sugar-land.dowell.slb.com [163.185.127.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14583 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:11:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hjones-sgl ([163.188.50.83]) by mail-server.sugar-land.dowell.slb.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-34589U510L100S0) with SMTP id AAA105 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:07:07 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990910134343.00a5e7e0@mail-server.sugar-land.dowell.slb.com> X-Sender: williamson@mail-server.sugar-land.dowell.slb.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:12:02 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Heather Jones" Subject: Re: H-COST: re: medieval miscellania In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Heather Jones" I'm sorry, I'm a day late for the "lurkers unite" party... I thought I might try to come out of the closet (so to speak) and comment here. I have heard many bad things about the Med. Misc. patterns from various people. Having tried only one and about to starting working on two others, I don't know if I like them yet or not. I have no problems with their directions, but the sizes of the different pieces do not always match up. I am thinking specifically of the men's Italian pattern (I forget which view) but the sleeve did not fit into the arm hole of the doublet (meaning the hole was too big for the sleeve). You had to use the biggest size sleeve to get it to fit. Other than that, which was easy to fix, I did not have a problem, and the doublet turned out great. As I mentioned I am going to start working on a Tudor and Elizabethan gown. Has anyone used these Med. Misc. patterns? If so, would you maybe have any hints or things to say about it? Also, do you think these patterns might ever be re-vamped, improved, or "upgraded"? Maybe a letter to the company noting the difficulties in constructing a garment from the pattern would help convince them that improvements might be needed? There, that wasn't so hard (my first post) Suannoch At 02:13 PM 9/10/99 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com > >I don't know anything about the company, but the patterns have been around >since I've been in the SCA -- 17 years. (Yikes!) I think it's safe to assume >that standards have gone up in the last 17 years, although for all I know the >people who drafted the patterns are all costuming geniuses. > >I own two but I've never used them. I've always heard that they need a LOT of >work. > >Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 14:00:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27490 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:00:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00330; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:15:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14757 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:12:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14734 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:12:28 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6DKE0BQUY9 (8038) for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43abe093.250ab206@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:12:06 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Confederate Uniform Braid To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 09/10/1999 12:41:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, meribetha@zebra.net writes: << Everyone...thanks to a wonderful list member I now know what kind of braid..but I still have no idea what the best attachment method for it is. Help! >> Hand sew it down....like they did. Still the best method. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 14:01:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27503 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:01:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00670; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:16:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15180 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:14:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from svr-a-01.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-01.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15167 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:14:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem39.tweety.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.167] helo=herimats) by svr-a-01.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 11PW82-00056b-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:14:34 +0100 Message-ID: <012b01befbc0$b9b25f80$a7065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <37D73BA0.6C6C6B53@bc.sympatico.ca> <199909101510.JAA13174@email.boisestate.edu> <37D940B1.781CC2B5@home.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Leather doublet questions Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:00:14 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" I agree with everything that Kat has said but would add the following If you are skiving the edges of the leather and turning the seams , they will need te be hammered to flatten them , You should also stick them down using either a leather adhesives or a rubber solution ; In period they used a cow glue when necessary and later gutta percha; Also see if you can get a wheel fitting to replace the foot on your sewing machine, it makes life awhole lot easier. Keep your leather needle sharp by occasionaly stiching two or three stitches through some very fine 0000 "wet and dry" paper. Nottoo many as you will blunt ; Also make sure you keep the needle clean and have several spares; you will break a few of them until you get you r tension and foot pressure dead right. with slashing, remember that the stretchability of the leather differs greatly between working with the grain and againts it. Grain being the line form the tail to the head of the animal . This will also effect things when stitching to non leather material You may find that rather than just feeding through the machine , you will have to hole both pieces and push one pull the other to maintain the correct shape; It comes with a little practice. If everything seems to be going wrong tension wise, check you machine is well lubricated and then place a small pies of beeswax on to p so that your top thread will run through it especially with thicker cotton threads. Polycotton pr full poly is much better if you can want to cheat. Another trick is too rewind your shuttle thread the other way around I e balancing the Z twist and S twist I hope this helps Dave L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 14:01:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27507 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:01:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00682; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:16:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15204 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:14:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from svr-a-01.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-01.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15182 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem39.tweety.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.167] helo=herimats) by svr-a-01.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 11PW83-00056b-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:14:35 +0100 Message-ID: <012c01befbc0$ba5f1a40$a7065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <005701befafe$f059b280$22aca0d1@j9g8x8> Subject: Re: H-COST: Shoe dyeing question : FOLLOWUP ? Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:08:40 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" > >> -Poster: "Broneske" > >> I have a pair of black shoes made from that God-awful, man-made suede stuff > >> that makes your feet sweat, ... ... > Dave--If this is a water color, won't it come off on sweaty > feet/the socks covering them? Just wondering. Thank you for your > thoughts/experience. -- Carol > Yes; and most other things that they come into contact with. (gg but true) The only way colouring will not come off leather is when it is factory dyed, and then its not guaranteed; I once visitted the experimental section of ICI who make leather dyes and was amazed at what they had to do to get color into leather. Some of the test pieces were left in the dyeing drums rotating at high speed solidly for a fortnight. or two week in the US; Dave L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 14:14:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27545 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:14:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02527; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:29:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18137 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:27:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.nightowl.net (mail.nightowl.net [207.124.43.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18124 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (robin@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by mail.nightowl.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA29520 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:35:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA27343 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:32:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:32:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: re: medieval miscellania In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Robin Netherton On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 Gaelscot@aol.com wrote: > I don't know anything about the company, but the patterns have been around > since I've been in the SCA -- 17 years. (Yikes!) I think it's safe to assume > that standards have gone up in the last 17 years, although for all I know the > people who drafted the patterns are all costuming geniuses. I met the people who ran the company 15 or so years ago, through mutual friends. I did not know them well, and I never worked with them on costume, so I can't speak to their skills. However, I did gather that the quality of the patterns varied significantly from one to another, depending on many factors. To begin with, different people created different patterns, and the skill and knowledge of those people varied. And I gather that some of patternmakers were very good in certain areas and inexperienced in others, so the accuracy and success of the styles varies accordingly. I remember hearing discussion of some technical issues as well. Those of you in the fashion biz know that a prototype for a pattern is typically built on one model of a specific size and then scaled up and down from there to generate other sizes. At least some of the MM patterns were apparently drafted on to fit a very small woman; this can create problems in proportion and scaling as you go up, so the lower sizes may fit true to form, but the larger ones do not. I also remember one of the owners talking about technical hassles with the company that did the scaling and printing of the patterns; this may have affected the quality of the product. The people who did the drawings also varied in skill and experience. Another friend of mine -- a fairly skilled calligrapher/illuminator -- was hired to do the finished copy of the instructions for one of the patterns. He did not sew. He was asked to make his drawings based on sketches, not actual fabric pieces in process, and said that he had a great deal of trouble making sense of the way various pieces of fabric were supposed to be layered (this was for something like pouches or hats, I forget, where there were many pieces to be stitched and turned). My friend got the impression that the instructions had been written from memory, based on the way the patternmaker felt the item "should" go together, not necessarily the way the patternmaker had actually assembled the prototype. As a result, some of the instructions may not have been workable in life. Also, in general, some styles just don't take well to modern pattern methods without sacrificing a certain amount of authenticity, so the makers do have to make certain concessions -- which may or may not be acceptable to the buyers, and may or may not be successful in attaining the proper look and fit. That would be true for anyone trying to make modern patterns of certain medieval styles. I think the bottom line is, try them if you're willing to take your chances. It may work, it may not. It may work for you and not for someone else. It may need a little alteration, or it may be completely off-base. But you probably can't assume that your (or anyone's) experience with any one MM pattern will hold true for another. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 14:17:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27555 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:17:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02976; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18958 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:30:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18924 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:30:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PWNR-000KW0-0C for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:30:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:21:53 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: H-COST: Leather doublet questions In-Reply-To: <37D949D0.E5F853C8@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Jean Waddie Kat, we have to ask - do you have documentation for a leather cotehardie??? And what are you going to wear under it? I can only visualise this as totally skin tight, leather side to skin ... or should I go and find a fetish list? Jean > >-Poster: Kat & Kent > >Merouda the True of Bornover wrote: >> >> *I'm* waiting with bated breath to hear all about a leather >> cotehardie. Ack!! Sounds hot. In more ways than one. ;-> Merouda > >I've got the main body almost done (center front is open still). I need >to put in the lining and put on the sleeves although at this point I'm >probably going to make them tie-ons. It's out of a midnight to navy >blue light to medium weight leather with the suede side out. Because >it's a floor length I had to use three different sides to cut it out. >It's seven panels (the back was cut on the fold) and will lace up the >front to a square neckline. If I'm wearing it anywhere that isn't air >conditioned or cold I plan on wearing a farthingale under it to hold the >skirt away from my body. It's really not that heavy and once I'm done >with the GS leader uniform and find my leader handbook and get the >brownie troop started and figure out how I'm going to pay for two more >root canals I *may* get it done!! Oh, and the sleeves are cut to come >to my knuckles with a slight flare at the bottom from the wrist. > >Kat >the truly exhausted! > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Jean Waddie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 14:25:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27562 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:25:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04092; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:40:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20485 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:37:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20477 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:37:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990910193734.NIRW16271.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:37:34 -0700 Message-ID: <37D95E0C.26CBBF67@home.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:37:48 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Leather doublet questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kat & Kent Jean Waddie wrote: > > Kat, we have to ask - do you have documentation for a leather > cotehardie??? And what are you going to wear under it? I can only > visualise this as totally skin tight, leather side to skin ... or > should I go and find a fetish list? No documentation...didn't even look...just wanted to see how it would come out (I'll probably be wearing it at an SF con). I'll put a chemise under it as I do with my other cotehardies. Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 14:26:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27570 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:26:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04446; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20981 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:39:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20962 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:39:51 -0600 (MDT) From: AnnoraK@aol.com Received: from AnnoraK@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6SJGa16287 (3964) for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:39:06 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: re: medieval miscellania To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AnnoraK@aol.com I was told that Historically Yours (the main/only? distributor of MM) owns the rights to reproduce the patterns, but not to alter them. I replaced my lost women's Ital Ren this last spring and discovered that not only were the pieces not stacked on top of each other, but they also seemed to be somewhere in the realm of usability without major alteration. I don't know if the planets were in the right alignment or what, but it was surprising. The next trip to the VA Ren Faire (where Hist. Yours has a shop), I asked they'd been corrected and was told that they hadn't been and weren't likely to be as the original designer wasn't interested in them anymore. --Jen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 15:10:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27670 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:10:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10740; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:26:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01545 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:23:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.31]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01534 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:23:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mai040RS1.lib.ohio-state.edu (mai040rs1.lib.ohio-state.edu [128.146.115.31]) by mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA08052 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990910162749.006fd09c@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: mhamilto@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:27:49 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Marsha J. Hamilton" Subject: Re: H-COST: Glove pattern In-Reply-To: References: <199909100235.UAA00472@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Marsha J. Hamilton" Elaine, Thank you so much for the glove info. I went to the annual juried "Faire at New Boston" held Labor Day (U.S.) at George Rogers Clark Park, close to Springfield, Ohio. It was beastly hot, almost 90 degrees, full sun, and stifling humidity but still loads of fun. The time period covered is approx. 1790-1810. I bought two "white deer" skins to attempt to make a pair of gloves to which I could attach embroidered gauntlets (Elizabeth I gloves). This is uncharted territory and may never get done but the book reference came at just the right time. Marsha (I enjoyed reading all the posts from lurkers.) ------------------------------------------------------------------- >A few weeks ago someone on this list was looking for a pattern to sew kid >gloves for herself. This evening I happened to stumble on some pretty >extensive instructions in an old library book: > >Novel Materials >Editor: David L. Harrison >(from the series: The Art of Sewing, edited >by Carlotta Erwin) >New York: Time-Life Books, 1974 > >The glove chapter falls on pages 70-83. It contains patterns, special >instructions on preparing the leather for gloves (things I'd never seen in >any other leather book!) and sewing instructions for a couple of different >glove styles. It looks quite interesting! > >Elaine >(who is also delurking for the first time tonight!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 15:21:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27688 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:21:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12624; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04012 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:34:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail-gw6.pacbell.net (mail-gw6.pacbell.net [206.13.28.41]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04003 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:34:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-69-194.irvn11.pacbell.net [206.170.69.194]) by mail-gw6.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15430 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D8FCD0.C081C06D@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:42:59 +0000 From: Dietmar Organization: Completely Disorganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: How many list members? References: <19990908233456.19196.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> <010201befa59$19076160$de3daccf@e4c2n6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dietmar Penny asked: > Are our lurkers introverts???? > From the webpage article, Revenge of the Introverts > : > "Yet, silent as they may be, introverts can have a lot to say given the > right forum. They've found that the internet can help them communicate > in their preferred manner; a written dialogue with time to pause for > thought and analysis." > > Alright, introverts, stop pausing, and start talking. Let's make Thursday, > 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day. We stop talking for ONE day, and let the > introverts speak! We are listening now, its your forum! I wasn't sure whether I belong in the lurker category or not, so I sat it out. It sure was great hearing from all the voices we don't see here often enough. I hope the simple act of posting once will help some of those lurkers get over their fear and speak up more often. ;-) The introvert/extrovert question is a good one. When I joined the SCA 8 years ago, I was very shy. Somehow, wearing dresses (okay, they're really tunics) has helped me overcome that shyness. Within a couple years I was the Castellan (newcomer representative/welcome wagon). I just recently stepped up as the herald (Master of Ceremonies) for our Barony (large CA county), so I'd better not be introverted, because it's my job to run the King's court. If I hadn't gotten over my stage fright, I could never stand there and be at the center of court. Take care, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 15:41:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27703 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:41:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15657; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:56:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02421 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:52:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.31]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02410 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mai040RS1.lib.ohio-state.edu (mai040rs1.lib.ohio-state.edu [128.146.115.31]) by mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA14168 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990910165555.00701018@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: mhamilto@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:55:55 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Marsha J. Hamilton" Subject: Re: H-COST: Project Pack Rat In-Reply-To: <199909092143.RAA03911@bajor.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Marsha J. Hamilton" >.........I already have 2000 yards of fabric in >my sewing room and an idea list that gets added to quicker than I can >complete the projects that are already on it. Loved it, Jessica! There are moments when I wish civilization WOULD break down over Y2K just so I could stay home and organize all the fabrics and projects! I keep collecting projects on the theory that when I retire (5 yr/10 mos.) even if no one is still doing this stuff, I'll have enough projects on hand to keep me busy until I go to that Great Fitting Room in the Sky :-} _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 16:05:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27725 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:05:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19064; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08452 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:17:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.31]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08427 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:16:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mai040RS1.lib.ohio-state.edu (mai040rs1.lib.ohio-state.edu [128.146.115.31]) by mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19127 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990910172058.006c3710@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: mhamilto@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:20:58 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Marsha J. Hamilton" Subject: Re: H-COST: Finishing on Slashed Edges In-Reply-To: <19990909230038.79179.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Marsha J. Hamilton" >>Nowhere was there an indication that the edges of these slashes were >>cared for in any way (so as not to fray).... -------------- >If you slash the fabric perfectly diagonally (is this "on the bias?"), it >shouldn't fray. Especially when you do it to tightly woven fabrics.... >slashes from shoulder to waist, I would say that they would have *had* >to line them in some way. -------------- Last night I picked up my copy of "Fashion in Detail." Yes, its expensive and there are no pictures of the full garment but the close-ups are great. The book and my museum hopping bring me to the sad conclusion that some types of slashes WERE painstakingly finished on the edges. I'm working on the theory that the "pinked" type of ornamental slashing, even when quite extensive, doesn't have a visible means to stop fraying. Previously on the list, someone mentioned gum arabic or other mixtures may have been painted on the back of the fabric. (?) There is a beautiful silk diagonally slashed over-garment at the V&A that has little fraying and several examples in "Fashion in Detail." My heart sunk with dread when I realized the long "ribbon" type slashes, seen in German, Swiss, landsknecht, and women's mid-17th c. sleeves do appear to be lined and finished on the edges. (Too much work!) There is an incredible cream silk doublet with long vertical slashes in "Fashion in Detail" showing detailed finishing and lining of the long edges. [1600?] It also shows close-ups of mid-18th c. men's coats and even heavy and fulled wools had finished edges on the pockets, hems and the front centers. No unfinished edges. Of course, these are wealthy people's clothes..... _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 16:16:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27740 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:16:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20738; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:31:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11503 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:29:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu [128.146.214.31]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11467 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:28:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mai040RS1.lib.ohio-state.edu (mai040rs1.lib.ohio-state.edu [128.146.115.31]) by mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20980 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990910173258.007005b4@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: mhamilto@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:32:58 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Marsha J. Hamilton" Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: 17th century In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Marsha J. Hamilton" >To Jill of ECWS: I'm thrilled to hear that there *is* another 17th century >enthusiast on the list. It's always seemed as though I was the only one! >Kate Bunting >King's Lifeguard of Foote/ Captaine Generalls Musick, Sealed Knot -------- Jill and Kate, I do 17th c. (Cavalier Association, Columbus Ohio, US). We do ECW in the US and American colonial 17th century. This summer, went to the muster at Salem Village 1630. If I ever get to the UK again (last trip was 1984), I'd love to attend some ECW and other events! Marsha Hamilton _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 16:29:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27751 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:29:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22404; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14990 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:42:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14977 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:42:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Natekakar@aol.com Received: from Natekakar@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6ATUa20497 (3966) for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <10a2873d.250ad52c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:42:04 EDT Subject: Re: Re: H-COST: Confederate Uniform Braid To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) sub 7 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Natekakar@aol.com You can use a running stitch that is long on the inside, teeny on the topside. (Tried it once on a machine, but it's a nightmare if you already have the sleeve sewn together.) Hey! I've posted something two days in a row!!!!! K. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 16:39:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27773 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:39:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23447; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17242 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:52:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from deliverator.io.com (root@deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17229 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:52:39 -0600 (MDT) From: ches@io.com Received: from fnord.io.com (IDENT:ches@fnord.io.com [199.170.88.12]) by deliverator.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16329 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:52:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (ches@localhost) by fnord.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA13073 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:52:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: fnord.io.com: ches owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:52:34 -0500 (CDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Finishing on Slashed Edges In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990910172058.006c3710@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: ches@io.com Well, another solution is to sew the size the hole is going to be with another fabric that is only a patchwork size in that area with it. Do this over and over until the entire sleeve is covered. Slash between the narrow lines of the stiching and turn the fabric to the wrong side of the sleeve. Turn the sleeve over and start either tacking them down or sew them together for a lining. Lined is always better than fray check and lasts longer. They probably used the slashing technique on strong, closely woven fabric that would not fray easily due to the weave. Sincerely, F. Havas ches@io.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 16:53:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27807 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:53:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25389; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:09:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20477 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:06:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.144]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20463 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:06:54 -0600 (MDT) From: dawn.wood1@virgin.net Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.74.102]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19990910220222.MCOM2782.mta3-svc@LOCALNAME> for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:02:22 +0100 Message-ID: <37D9E4D3.6240@virgin.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:12:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN712-000 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: re-pinking Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: dawn.wood1@virgin.net The slashes were often 'glued' along the edges by using gum arabic or gum tragacanth. Also as the pinking tools(they weren't scissors but a die you hit with a hammer) could be used hot this often sealed the edge of the fabric. I've experimented with both of these and they work _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 16:56:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27815 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:56:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25736; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:12:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21128 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:09:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from p2.acadia.net (root@p2.acadia.net [205.217.210.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21103 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:09:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.217.218.106] (ell122.acadia.net [205.217.218.106]) by p2.acadia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA07860 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:18:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: pulliam@post.acadia.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:11:05 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) Subject: H-COST: sewing leather Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) <> You do need to be very concerned with grain in leather, particularly with garments that fit closely (like jerkins and doublets). It's different from fabric, but it's still very important. It stretches a lot one way, and very little the other, so you need to plan very carefully. It can also stretch (strangely) across the grain. Any pinking, punching or slashing should be very small, because anything larger will act like a cut, and pull or tear further. There's no way of stabilizing, so keep them small (under 1/2 inch.) Deborah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 17:03:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27846 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:03:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26803; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:19:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22882 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:17:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from viper.columbus.rr.com (viper.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.254]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22867 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc.columbus.rr.com (dhcp31161186.columbus.rr.com [24.31.161.186]) by viper.columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA05853 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006901befbda$7abe80a0$baa11f18@dsc.columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Med Misc & other things Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:18:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >Medieval Misc. patterns tend to be awful - I can't recommend them. They >say they were drafted by Laurels of the SCA but they don't say they were >drafted by *costuming* Laurels. I can't make heads or tails of them >either so they weren't drafted by calligraphy and Illumination Laurels >either. The research sheets I've always found to be useful. The patterns are another story. The smaller sizes can be acceptable if cut out of muslin and adjusted on a real person first, and I've generally found the men's patterns work better than the women's. But even if they were drafted by costume Laurels, they could still be sub-par--many of the costume Laurels I know have no particular skill in pattern drafting; they're in fact a lot better at draping on an actual person without a pattern. (Besides, pattern drafting for a modern scaled pattern isn't exactly what most people get their Laurels for :-) Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 17:04:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27850 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:04:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26953; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:20:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22999 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:17:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22988 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:17:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Finafyr@aol.com Received: from Finafyr@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6DSAa22972 (4050) for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:17:04 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: How many list members? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 29 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Finafyr@aol.com I occasionally come out of Lurk mode...I just don't wish to offend or bother...and I do have introverted tendencies Finafyr _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 17:15:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27864 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:15:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28551; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25606 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:28:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25599 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:28:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-63-254.s254.tnt3.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.63.254]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id SAA07152 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005301befbdb$72ab6f80$5b4faccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <003901befba0$ffeb1c50$0cea7080@witsend2.Princeton.EDU> Subject: Re: H-COST: Button holes Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:25:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" WOW!!! Thanks! What a great piece of costuming trivia! Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com > button > > usually disklike piece of solid material having holes or a shank through > which it is sewed to one side of an article of clothing and used to > fasten or close the garment by passing through a loop or hole in the > other side. Purely decorative, nonutilitarian buttons are also > frequently used on clothing. > > The ancient Greeks and Etruscans fastened their tunics at the > shoulders with buttons and loops. In medieval Europe, garments > were laced together or fastened with brooches or clasps and points, > until buttonholes were invented in the 13th century. > > [rest of item truncated as inapplicable.] > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 17:40:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27892 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:40:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01566; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00776 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:52:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f197.hotmail.com [207.82.251.86]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA00764 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:52:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 66051 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 1999 22:52:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19990910225205.66050.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.12.82.75 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:52:04 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.12.82.75] From: "kris .." To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Simplicity Italian Ren Pattern Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:52:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "kris .." ok. I have the material, and am waiting for the pattern. I am new to this list, so if it's been discussed already, sorry.. but I really want to know :] I'm making version "B" with version "A"'s sleeves out of a linen/cotton blend in a color that matches a Color Box stamp pad I've got :] "Colonial Blue". I don't have quite enough, so I'm thinking of lengthening the hem with some navy I have in the same fabric. Is this a period thing to do for It. Ren? My SCA period is 1475-1525 German, so I don't know :] Also, I was wondering if doing the trims & sleeves & my bits of underskirt that show in a color called "Tea Rose", kind of a peachy pink, and palest yellow would be ok. I realize that colors were used in excess, and they *do* look good together.. :D I am also going to fit the bodice first, and change it by making the front underbust seam straight across, and using gathers instead of the darts.. Is there a way to avoid darts and gathers altogether? oh, and pleating the skirt onto the bodice would be more accurate than the gathers, right? *grin* thanks for any and all responses! Kris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 17:42:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27897 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:42:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01741; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:57:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01308 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:55:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail-gw5.pacbell.net (mail-gw5.pacbell.net [206.13.28.23]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01248 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:54:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-68-94.irvn11.pacbell.net [206.170.68.94]) by mail-gw5.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14429; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D92A6F.26A9023B@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:57:44 +0000 From: Dietmar Organization: Completely Disorganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com CC: LindaYordy Subject: H-COST: Re: Leather doublet questions References: <37D73BA0.6C6C6B53@bc.sympatico.ca> <199909101510.JAA13174@email.boisestate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, Linda wrote: > I've never sewn on real leather before. I've heard that I need a leather > sewing machine needle (this is very supple leather and should go through > the machine ok). I've also heard to use longer stitches than I would with > woven fabric. Leather needles are triangular in cross section which helps cut through the leather without stretching it. Longer stitches will help make the garment stronger. If the stitches are too close together, the stitches can rip out, and you'll end up with a perfect pattern in leather minus the seam allowance. > I'm thinking about using some slashing and pinking to add interest and line > it with a bright, contrasting color to show off the slashes. Any suggestions > on the slashes? I've heard of people using a sharp chisel to make quick consistent slashes. I've also heard of someone using a drill to make consistent round holes through many layered pieces at once. (Although, I'm not sure I'd recommend this) I also understand that it's a good idea to punch a round hole at the end of long slashes so that the leather is less likely to tear at the ends. > Should I keep them smaller (1/2 inch or so big) so that the leather won't > stretch? Seems to me (the book is at home so I can't reference it now) that > the pictures I've seen in Janet Arnold show the pinking and slashing to be > fairly small. Consider that the more holes that you make, the more stretch that you will have. This is true whether you have a handful of large slashes or a myriad or tiny slashes. In Germany, slashes were often larger than in England, but both were done. > As far as seams go, I was planning to use a modified flat felled seam > when sewing leather to leather - sew right sides together, trim one > seam allowance to about 1/4 inch, press both seam allowances in the same > direction with the longer one on top, then top stitch in place (just like > regular flat felled only the raw edge isn't turned under to keep bulk down). > Anyone have experience, suggestions on seaming leather? I'd recommend that you sew the seams and hammer the seams open to either side and glue the seam allowance (1/4" or so) down with barge cement. > For sewing leather to fabric lining, I was planning to just stitch as usual > (with longer stitch length). Will this work? Depends on how you are lining it. Is it a bag lining, or are you lining particular areas only? I'm not sure how you would work a bag lining. Sewing the lining around each cut out area is the best method, but incredibly tedious. > I assume I don't need to worry about grainline with leather, or do I? > I know that with synthetic suede (Ultrasuede), you can turn the pattern > pieces anyway you want. There is no grain line per se, but there are differing amounts of stretch in different parts of the hide. Some hides will have stretch marks that run in a particular direction. You will also want to work around blemishes in the surface of the hide. > I plan to use three layers: lining, interlining, and leather. Usually > when I make a doublet or bodice, I treat the lining and interlining as > one unit. Would it be better to use the interlining (which is the layer > that will show under the leather) and the leather as one unit instead. > Or does it matter? That seems like an unnecessary number of layers. I see most leather doublets as unlined. I can't see a satisfactory way of lining with that many layers, because the leather will stretch in different ways than the fabric lining. Leather stretches in the heat and shrinks in the cold, but the fabric won't. I guess that I'd rather line areas of slashing than try to line the whole thing. Perhaps you can make horizontal rows of slashing and sew the lining down with a horizontal seam between rows. The slashes don't have to be horizontal, but arranged in rows horizontally, such as: ---------- ////////// ---------- Of course, the same thing could be done vertically. Any other caveats? I don't know of anything off the top of my head, but I'll think about it over the weekend and see if I come up with anything...and see if anyone else has input. Good luck, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 18:03:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27934 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:03:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03632; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:17:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05312 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:15:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from relay4.hawaii.edu (relay4.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.12]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA05285 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:15:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from uhunix1.its.hawaii.edu ([128.171.44.6]) by relay4.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <374058(1)>; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:14:50 -1000 Received: from localhost by uhunix1.its.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <135668(4)>; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:14:47 -1000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:14:44 -1000 From: lisaleon@hawaii.edu X-Sender: lisaleon@uhunix1 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Finishing on Slashed Edges In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990910172058.006c3710@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: lisaleon@hawaii.edu Marsha J. Hamilton wrote: > The book and my museum hopping bring me to the sad conclusion that some > types of slashes WERE painstakingly finished on the edges. > > My heart sunk with dread when I realized the long "ribbon" type slashes, > seen in German, Swiss, landsknecht, and women's mid-17th c. sleeves > do appear to be lined and finished on the edges. (Too much work!) There is > an incredible cream silk doublet with long vertical slashes in "Fashion > in Detail" showing detailed finishing and lining of the long edges. [1600?] and ches@io.com wrote: > Well, another solution is to sew the size the hole is going to be with > another fabric that is only a patchwork size in that area with it. Is the lining and finishing you saw done this way? This is how I was planning to do it anyway but it would be nice to know if it's accurate or if I'm just making do. annora Lisa Leong * <| lisaleon@hawaii.edu .^. * * .=.=.=. * * <| ^V V V^ <| \^ ^ ^/ | | \^ ^ ^/ | |^^^^| |^^^^| | | [] [] [] | | ":":":":...:":":":" | ~~~|________[oIo]________|~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 18:26:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27982 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:26:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06216; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:42:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09096 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:39:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09087 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:39:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p31.directcon.net [206.170.184.80]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12685 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909102338.QAA12685@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST: H-Cost: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson Someone (Joan?) was asking about red satin ankle boots. If what you're looking for is Victorian styled boots, go to a bridal store that sells shoes and ask to see their catalogs. Most of them don't keep them in stock, but several styles of fabric boots are available by special order, and they can have them custom dyed to match your swatch. Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 18:34:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28024 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:34:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06909; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:50:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10386 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10369 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:47:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21637 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA17338 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:48:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:48:17 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: re-pinking In-Reply-To: <37D9E4D3.6240@virgin.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: aleed Pinking Tools? Where? I'd love to find some of these. Thanks, Drea On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 dawn.wood1@virgin.net wrote: > > -Poster: dawn.wood1@virgin.net > > The slashes were often 'glued' along the edges by using gum arabic or > gum tragacanth. Also as the pinking tools(they weren't scissors but a > die you hit with a hammer) could be used hot this often sealed the edge > of the fabric. I've experimented with both of these and they work > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 18:39:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28050 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:39:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07479; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11165 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:53:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11157 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:53:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Nancygwyn@aol.com Received: from Nancygwyn@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6TWAa02400 (4533) for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:52:32 EDT Subject: H-COST: MM- Italian Renaissance pattern To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Nancygwyn@aol.com I bought my copy of the pattern almost ten years ago, so I cannot speak to the patterns that are currently being sold. Starting out as a fairly competent home sewer, I was able to achieve a reasonable result with the help of a friend who understood fit and was able to clue me in as far as the necessity of boning was concerned (being relatively well-endowed). Over the years I have used the bodices from the pattern as starting points since I am just know starting to learn to draft patterns. My recommendations on using this particular pattern are as follows (some of these are rather obvious to experienced costumers, but they are lessons I needed to learn): 1. Do your research first to determine exactly what the dress looks like that you want to make. Although the drawings on the pattern are helpful, looking at the original artwork will give you many more ideas as to fabric and drape as well as decoration and color. Note: not all the dresses shown on the instruction sheet can be made from the pattern pieces, particularly the later fashions (post 1500). 2. Adjust the flat pattern to fit your measurements. I would recommend making a copy of the original as it is unlikely that the first pattern will be completely correct for you. (I concentrate on the bodice and admit that I have not used the skirt pattern.) 3. Make a muslin from this pattern. Have a friend who knows fit and understands the look you are trying to achieve fit the muslin on you. Pay particular attention to the shoulders that you are getting the right line and support. Remember that Italian Renaissance bodices fit very snugly (mistake #1 that I see in most SCA versions- they do not fit tightly enough). Note: Wearing an undergarment that will at the very least approximate what you plan to wear is critical. Although I used to build all the support in to the dress, I now wear a fabric corselette (no bones) to control and support my bust. You will also need to make a muslin of the sleeve to ensure that it fits you and the bodice before cutting out your fashion fabric. This is also the time to make sure that you know how you plan to do the sleeves, a major feature of Italian Ren dresses. 4. Make adjustments to your flat pattern. Remember to cut out the bodice with the center front and back on the straight of the grain. 5. Whether you decide to put in boning or not (slender ladies may not need it), I would recommend using an interlining to give a better shape and stability to the bodice. Definitely use one if there will be no corselette. 6. Note: even on the dresses that do not specify linings to the sleeves I would carefully consider adding one in order to achieve the proper drape of the sleeve. 7. As noted above, I have not used the skirt pattern. The second most common mistake I see in the SCA is not enough fabric used in the skirt. Although I have used two 45" widths of a heavy fabric in my skirts, I now generally try to use three fabric widths. One friend, a Renaissance costuming Laurel, suggested the general rule of 4x the underbust. 8. Fastenings: I recommend using brass Roman drapery rings to either lace up the front or side. I have also used hook and eye tape, on occasion supplementing them with decorative hooks and eyes to distract from the modern ones. Based on my research I have never seen an Italian lace up the center back. The lacing on the side back seams appears to have originated sometime in the 1530s (anyone who can cite an earlier version please let me know; it would simplify my next dress!). I hope these are helpful to those using this pattern or doing Renaissance women's dress in general. If you have specific questions concerning one of the views, please contact me. I have worked with almost all of them at some point. There, I de-lurked! Nancy Stengel (Maddalena Salutati in the SCA) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 18:40:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28059 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:40:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07506; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:55:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11203 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:53:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail3.anet.net (mail3.anet.net [216.2.98.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11194 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:53:28 -0600 (MDT) From: rima@anet.net Received: from [216.2.96.43] by mail3.anet.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:00:42 -0800 X-Sender: rima@mail.anet.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909102252.QAA00813@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:53:45 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Dress forms Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: rima@anet.net Hi again Well, after full intending to lurk, I find myself all over the list with questions: OK, so who knows of a terrific dress form that 's out there, that's easily adjustable between two women's sizes - my friend and I wanna share, but she's 4 inches taller and thinner! Am I dreaming??? I was looking at this one: http://farthingales.on.ca/judy.htm Anybody have any thoughts on how well this might work? Anybody own one??? Rima _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 19:00:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28076 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:00:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09657; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:16:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14324 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:14:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (IDENT:root@sm0101.promedia.net [209.160.170.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14318 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:14:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from j9g8x8 (ppp-209-160-171-61.01.promedia.net [209.160.171.61]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA12313 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:13:55 -0700 Message-ID: <001301befbea$dae4cf60$3daba0d1@j9g8x8> From: "Broneske" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Victorian Dress Book Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:16:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Broneske" Not sure which Joan this was directed to (Jurancich or me) but if it was for me....been there, done that, sitting on my bookshelf :-) Joan Broneske unicorn@softcom.net @-->---------------- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 19:07:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28128 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:07:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10274; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:23:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15317 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:21:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (IDENT:root@sm0101.promedia.net [209.160.170.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15311 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:21:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from j9g8x8 (ppp-209-160-171-61.01.promedia.net [209.160.171.61]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA12561 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:21:15 -0700 Message-ID: <003501befbeb$e0f6a760$3daba0d1@j9g8x8> From: "Broneske" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Strike is over!!! Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:23:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Broneske" Stepford Moms!!! I love it!!! Too true!! Joan Broneske unicorn@softcom.net @-->---------------- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 19:18:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28139 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:18:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11369; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:34:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16729 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:31:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (IDENT:root@sm0101.promedia.net [209.160.170.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16718 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from j9g8x8 (ppp-209-160-171-61.01.promedia.net [209.160.171.61]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA12913 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:31:41 -0700 Message-ID: <009401befbed$5670b340$3daba0d1@j9g8x8> From: "Broneske" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: H-Cost: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:33:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Broneske" Ah, excellent idea! (Margo and Teddy) I think I shall do just that! I don't know why I am always so durned obsessed with accessories and props!! Joan Broneske unicorn@softcom.net @-->---------------- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 19:37:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28157 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:37:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12334; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:53:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19076 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:50:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19069 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:50:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.148] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11PbNU-0000aM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:50:53 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:49:01 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: re-pinking In-Reply-To: <37D9E4D3.6240@virgin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 10:12 PM 09/10/1999, dawn.wood1@virgin.net wrote: The slashes were often 'glued' along the edges by using gum arabic or gum tragacanth. Also as the pinking tools(they weren't scissors but a die you hit with a hammer) could be used hot this often sealed the edge of the fabric. I've experimented with both of these and they work Wow--a die...anyone know of any craftsmen who might be making these? Or, alternately, happen to have handy the recipes for gum arabic/gum tragacanth? Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 19:54:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28167 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:54:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13761; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:10:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21040 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:07:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (relay20.smtp.psi.net [38.8.20.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21025 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:07:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.119.75.41] (helo=kdp.tiac.net) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for h-costume@indra.com id 11Pbd0-0003F5-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:07:10 -0400 From: "John Page" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Wool Question Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:57:08 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "John Page" > >Does anyone know of any uses in medieval/renaissance periods of a > >lightweight wool such as a gabardine? It's really lovely material and if I > >was inclined to make myself a dress suit, it would be of this material. As > >it turns, I was intending to make some capes and trews from it and wanted a > >heavier weight. I think that wools weren't commonly heavily fulled till the 14th C -- properly felt was made from unspun wool. Kristin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 20:29:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28214 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:29:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16823; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:45:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25338 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:42:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com [207.46.181.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25329 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:42:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sharp-9070- - 208.253.11.38 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:41:42 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Victorian "Fancy Dress" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:32:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000101befbf8$2f640da0$260bfdd0@sharp-9070-> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <215d042b.2509eca0@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" Try *The Book of Costume, or Annals of Fashion" (1846) by A Lady of Rank (The Countess of Wilton), annotated and published by R.L. Shep, ISBN 0-914046-04-7. Early research on world costume over a range of centuries. Got mine through Amazon.com. Hope H. Dunlap > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On > Behalf Of JPMcTeer@aol.com > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 1:10 AM > To: h-costume-digest@indra.com > Subject: H-COST: Victorian "Fancy Dress" > > > > -Poster: JPMcTeer@aol.com > > I have committed to do a (slide) lecture for the local > Victorian Society in > October on ideas for costumes for our Victorian "masked ball" > next January. > I have found Planche 1881and Strutt (rare book room) in our > library catalogs, > as well as the Butterick Masquerade book for 1892. I > purchased the new book > on Canadian "Magnificent Entertainments" by Cynthia Cooper. I > haven't checked > yet on the dates, but I think that Vecellio, Racinet, and > Braun & Schneider > came out before 1900 (and are now in Dover reprint.) > > This is only a 45 minute lecture, but I would like to make a > listing of books > (especially cheap Dover reprints) for a handout. What have I > missed? Is > there anything with color plates? > > Does anyone want to sell me copies of their slides? > > As you might know, I usually lecture and do workshops on > corsets and other > "body-shaping garments" so I don't have much on this topic, > unless I own the > books for some other reason. I haven't had time to check > them all yet. > > Thanks to you all for delurking and for the useful thread on > the Laughing > Moon corset, chemise, and kit. I too am a very satisfied customer of > Farthingales for supplies. > > Joan McTeer > Minneapolis > (who by now has missed the 9/9/99 deadline!) > ____________________________________________________________ _____ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 20:29:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28217 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:29:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16819; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:45:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25306 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:42:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.26]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25294 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:42:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sharp-9070- - 208.253.11.38 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:41:32 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Cc: Subject: H-COST: RE: Bag Sleeves on Leines Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:34:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000001befbf8$245ba6c0$260bfdd0@sharp-9070-> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19990909223950.015b41bc@mail.tds.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" The bag sleeve probably appeared on the leine about the same time it appeared in fashion elsewhere, or perhaps somewhat later. The de Heere water colors show them, and there are some woodcuts of them too 1400-1600. Without Dunbar and McClintock and Packenham on my desk, I can't be more specific. The bag sleeve may have appeared somewhat earlier, but I'd have to check those references for better precision. The bag sleeve appears to have been worn only by the Anglo-Irish, soldiers of upper rank. Other styles of leine sleeves were worn in the same time period by poorer, less fashionable people. Hope H. Dunlap > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Anne Gast > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 6:40 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST:De-Lurking > > > > -Poster: Anne Gast <> > > OK, I have built my courage enough to delurk. This is worse > than talking > to a room full of people. (I guess, this is talking to more than a > roomful.) > > I make costumes for IFGS and Magic Horizens, my live action, > live combat > (foam weapons, no pain), medieval/fantasy role-playing groups. > > I lurk because I feel I don't know enough to contribute, but I love > learning from this list and from the books recommended. I especially > enjoyed the Irish costuming threads. > > I have wondered when the bagged sleeves on leines started > appearing. Or > conversely, what period is it appropiate not to have them? > > Anne > Madison, Wisconsin > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ _____ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 20:37:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28223 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:37:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17722; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:53:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26366 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:51:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26360 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:51:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA05044 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:51:05 -0700 Received: from 206-132-49-95.nas-1.SCF.primenet.com(206.132.49.95), claiming to be "smadsenprimenet.com" via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdcvC.Ma; Fri Sep 10 18:51:03 1999 Message-ID: <00c801befbf7$ff2289a0$3c3084ce@com> From: "Lee" To: Subject: H-COST: Leather doublet questions Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:49:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Lee" Hi all-- I'm pretty new to the list, and so far a lurker. I'm planning on doing some leather and suede doublets myself, and since I sew professionally, much of it leather, I thought I might help. I'm planning on doing the Janet Arnold doublet with the layer of flower cutwork for one of them... Did you know you can make suede harem pants? Probably not period, but interesting for modern wear. The patterns I use take about 35 square feet per pair. >I've never sewn on real leather before. I've heard that I need a >leather sewing machine needle (this is very supple leather and >should go through the machine ok). I've also heard to use longer >stitches than I would with woven fabric. > I =don't= use a leather needle, and I've been sewing leather for a decade! I find that a heavy topstitching needle works best, a 110/18. I don't use a leather needle because if you have to move any stitching, the holes will close up most of the time on suede and be less noticeable on leather. Leather needles leave a triangular hole that I actually had start rips in some leather. I used the same stitch length as sewing cloth. I also use really heavy duty thread (which is why you need topstitching needles that have large eyes). You can get it in tiny spools at some sewing stores, and I forget what it's called, but it's used for upholstery and canvas. I by it in large cones at an industrial/upholstery supply shop. Cones are only about $5-6 dollars and they last for ages. They work fine with a home sewing machine if you get a cone thread holder. Any topstitching I do with regular thread, so I can get away with using black heavy thread for most dark colors. >As far as seams go, I was planning to use a modified flat felled >seam when sewing leather to leather - sew right sides together, >trim one seam allowance to about 1/4 inch, press both seam >allowances in the same direction with the longer one on top, then >top stitch in place (just like regular flat felled only the raw edge isn't >turned under to keep bulk down). Anyone have experience, >suggestions on seaming leather? For sewing leather to fabric >lining, I was planning to just stitch as usual (with longer stitch >length). Will this work? > Some home machines don't want to go through very many layers of even light suede or leather, and if they do, odds are good the tension will give you fits. My home machine sewed many a garment, but I had to baby it sometimes, and it still needs repairs from an elkhide vest I agreed to do at a foolish moment years ago. Home tanned thick, nasty stuff that clung to the needle and threw the tension off all the time. I use a Bernina industrial now, but I really should get out my Thomsons mini-industrial leather sewing machine and get used to it... Anyway, I use half inch seams and open them and glue them. I use Aleene's Tacky Glue for work, but I might used contact cement for something that I thought would get a lot of use and drycleaning. >I assume I don't need to worry about grainline with leather, or do I? >I know that with synthetic suede (Ultrasuede), you can turn the >pattern pieces anyway you want. > In suede it matters! Also, different parts of the skin take dye differently sometimes, so watch to see that one end isn't darker and thicker than the other (usually toward what was the back end of the animal). I cut pants with a piecing line halfway down each leg at an angle, and I try to cut the top of the pants at the top or neck/shoulder area and lower legs below. Other than that, I'm going to be finding out myself... Kels _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 20:40:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28229 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:40:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17995; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:56:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26715 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:53:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ecom.imag.net (superman.imag.net [207.200.148.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26706 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:53:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from van1282 (van-port13.imag.net [204.244.111.13]) by ecom.imag.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18575 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00f201befbf8$aabfa4a0$03000004@van1282> From: "The Rogue" To: "historic costuming" Subject: H-COST: Handsewing question Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:55:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "The Rogue" Hello. I missed the de-lurking day, but reading all the posts tonight was inspiring! I have posted maybe twice in the time I've been reading and learning from this list, about 6 months. So, I join in the group of people saying *Hi! I'm lurking but I have a question!!". I have an amazing way with sewing machines - have broken 4 in the last year. Even on of the indestructible black Singer straight sew models. Now I handsew everything, and found that I really like handsewing much more than working with a machine. This works well with the 20th century Norse costuming I've been doing, but the thought of doing later period clothing worries me. Has anyone handsewn a corset, dresses or doublet? Any advice would be helpful. Especially about handsewing in an authentic manner (if I'm stuck doing it, why not have a little fun with it!!) or materials or methods to avoid. Zelda Interests: 10th Century Scandinavia and York, Early Elizabethan, 1560 - 1570 Spanish and trying to find information about 1400 to 1500 Dutch/Netherlands, of all classes. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 20:52:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28590 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:52:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19700; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:08:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28095 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:05:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f169.hotmail.com [216.32.181.169]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28090 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:05:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 82096 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1999 02:05:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19990911020505.82095.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.100.57.121 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:05:04 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.100.57.121] From: "J. Karnelian" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Santa Cruz Renaissance clothes -Lothlorien Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:05:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "J. Karnelian" I am looking for contact information for a Renaissance/gothic clothing store in Santa Cruz which I think is called Lothlorien. Or something similar. The owner is a woman named Lorian. My girlfriend makes clothes and she was told that this store might be interested in her stuff. If anyone knows the adress for their website, or their e-mail, or their phone number, or regular postal adress, we would appreciate that information a lot. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 20:53:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28594 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:53:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19704; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:08:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28161 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:06:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28155 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:06:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by shared1-mail.whowhere.com; Fri Sep 10 19:05:57 1999 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:05:57 -0700 From: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: H-COST: H-Cost: X-Sender-Ip: 199.44.36.145 Organization: email.women.com (http://www.emailwomen.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" I'm not sure what style or exact color of red we are talking about. But I was recently looking for bridal shoes online and I came across...hmm http://www.peterfox.com I believe it was, anyway they are the people that made the pinkish-red boots that Kate winslet wears in the titanic movie (with the jump dress I think they said) anyway they sell them on their website, the same style also comes in white it you wanted it hand dyed to a different color. --- Ginnaphure ICQ# 41340093 "Last time we mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the stake." On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:38:27 Margo Anderson wrote: > >-Poster: Margo Anderson > >Someone (Joan?) was asking about red satin ankle boots. If what you're >looking for is Victorian styled boots, go to a bridal store that sells shoes >and ask to see their catalogs. Most of them don't keep them in stock, but >several styles of fabric boots are available by special order, and they can >have them custom dyed to match your swatch. > >Margo > >"One Tough Costumer" >http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 21:04:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28605 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:04:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21100; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:19:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29434 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:16:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.austin.rr.com (sm1.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.54]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29429 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PENNY ([24.93.63.78]) by mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:16:40 -0500 From: rio@austin.rr.com (StrangeGirl) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/18C stays and shoulder straps Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:16:35 GMT Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <37dcb8ff.247391605@smtp-server.austin.rr.com> References: <199909101648.JAA27161@zeus.directcon.net> In-Reply-To: <199909101648.JAA27161@zeus.directcon.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id UAA29430 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: rio@austin.rr.com (StrangeGirl) On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:48:40 -0700 (PDT), the following was written in this electric book by Margo Anderson : > >-Poster: Margo Anderson > >.. a whole >>reel of 1/2" reed costs about 7 bucks & makes dozens of corsets, with 30 to >>40 bones apiece. Just cut them to length, round off the ends, rub them with >>wax, and insert. > >Do you have a mail order source for reed? > >Margo It can be purchased at many large craft supply stores ( such as Michael's, Hobby Lobby, JoAnn's etc in the basketweaving supplies if the store near you carries such supplies) and may, if you are in a large metropolitan area, possibly also be found under basketry or chair-cane repair in the telephone directory. You want the half-round kind so that you will not look like you are corrugated once you take it off... ;) Margery "Do you have any files?" "We're the government, of course we have files." Millenium {*to reply take spambegone from my reply-to address*} _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 21:24:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28647 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:24:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22602; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:39:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01904 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:37:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.wireweb.net (mail.wireweb.net [216.3.229.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01897 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:37:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail.wireweb.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:35:35 -0500 Received: by mail.wireweb.net from dragonlair (216.3.231.220::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V3.2); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:35:34 -0500 Message-ID: <37D9C13A.4842@wireweb.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:40:58 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: re-pinking References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SLUIDL: C80BDF60-675D11D3-BB370040-33537EE5 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Alexandria Doyle" Carol J. Bell Cannon wrote: > > -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" > > At 10:12 PM 09/10/1999, dawn.wood1@virgin.net wrote: The slashes were > often 'glued' along the edges by using gum arabic or gum tragacanth. Also > as the pinking tools(they weren't scissors but a die you hit with a hammer) > could be used hot this often sealed the edge of the fabric. I've > experimented with both of these and they work > Wow--a die...anyone know of any craftsmen who might be making > these? Or, alternately, happen to have handy the recipes for gum > arabic/gum tragacanth? Carol > _________________________________________________________________ There is a gentleman here in Ansteorra, that made that leather doublet from Janet Arnorlds Patterns of fashion, complete with the pinking and slashes, etc. He got the dies from a leather working place. Alexandria _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 21:36:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28659 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:36:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23628; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:52:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03372 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:49:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03366 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:49:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.140] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11PdEM-0001du-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:49:35 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:47:44 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Wool Question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 08:57 PM 09/10/1999, Poster: "John Page" aka Kristin, replied to this question: Does anyone know of any uses in medieval/renaissance periods of a lightweight wool such as a gabardine? saying: I think that wools weren't commonly heavily fulled till the 14th C -- properly felt was made from unspun wool. Kristin--So gabardine is a heavily fulled wool? I don't spin and don't know nearly enough about textiles. I appreciate every bit of help I get to learn...thank you in advance. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 21:42:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28666 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:42:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24351; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:58:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04140 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:55:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04130 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:55:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p12.directcon.net [206.170.184.111]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA03360 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909110254.TAA03360@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: RE: Bag Sleeves on Leines Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson I believe that there is often some confusion as to what is meant by "bag sleeves" To some people, it means a very wide sleeve with the end sewn up most of the way, forming a bag. But...to some people, especially when discussing leines, a "bag sleeve" may mean a sleeve that has gathers along the top of the arm, so that when worn, it resembles a drawstring bag. this is the meaning I was thinking of when on several occasions, I have stated that leines did not have bag sleeves. Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 21:59:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28672 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:59:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25850; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06015 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:11:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (edtnps04.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.104]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06009 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clgrtnt2-port-326.agt.net ([161.184.44.72]:1032 "HELO Freya") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <70095-25806>; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:10:50 -0600 X-Sender: agottfre@pop.telusplanet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: H-COST: Delurking day delayed X-Mailer: Message-Id: <19990911031059Z70095-25806+37@smtp1.telusplanet.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:10:50 -0600 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) What's a poor introvert to do? I sent this message yesterday, and it vanished into cyber-limbo. Here we go again: I usually lurk, because my interest area is pretty darn obscure : the dress of the mixed-blood (i.e. half-breed) 'country wives' of Canadian fur traders, 1774-1821. My last project was sewing a new, more historically correct pair of knee-high leggins of red Melton cloth just in time for Rocky Mountain House's bicentennial in July. Then Joan Jurancich (hi!) very politely pointed out I was wearing them the wrong way around. Thanks, Joan! (Really!) And thanks to everyone who's answered the questions I've occasionally posted to the list over the last three years. Your obliged and obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 22:03:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28683 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:03:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26200; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06178 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:12:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06172 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vaxxine.com (ppp80.analg-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.212.178]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10447 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37C85B3D.E95ED03@vaxxine.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:57:17 -0500 From: Sheridan Alder X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Canadian iceman redux References: <009401befbed$5670b340$3daba0d1@j9g8x8> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E4A2D44238D2CADA06EE8D71" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sheridan Alder --------------E4A2D44238D2CADA06EE8D71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings everyone: I'm kinda late for 09-09-99. An introvert, and damn proud of it, I only post when I feel I can make a contribution or pick people's brains. Besides, it's hard enough to wrestle my husband off ebay, (wasting our hard-earned sustenance - it would be cheaper if he drank and ran around with wild women), long enough for me read the e-mail. Sigh! I wanted him to become more computer literate, but I created a monster! As well, if I was a regular participant, members might ask me how the such n' such project was going, and I would be forced to admit it has joined the ranks of my other 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, and 99.9% finished projects! Although it appears as if I'm not the only one who doesn't finish a costume until the morning of an event. Not long ago someone posted a message regarding news of another "iceman" discovered in British Columbia. I'm ashamed to admit that I shrugged it off as another internet rumour - after all I'm Canadian, and I haven't heard anything about it! Time went by, and no one on the list responded, and there was nothing in the news about it. My opinion was confirmed. Much to my surprise, a recent issue of the American journal "Science" had a brief article on the discovery. Unfortunately, idiot girl galloped out the door ("It's Friday, blessed Friday, yippee!) without her backpack containing the article. >From memory - the body was discovered August 14th in a glacier in northern BC by hikers, and is now in storage in the Yukon until native groups and researchers reach an agreement on how to research it. The article suggested it was expected that an amicable agreement could be reached, unlike the case of Kennewick (Kessewick?) man, a controversial U.S.find. The body was reported as wearing a finely woven hat and a cloak of small pelts similar to squirrel or groundhog. A spear thrower was also found. The body could be as old as 10,000 years old or as recent as the early European occupation. "Science" is published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science, relying on my unreliable memory, and they have a web page with access to a few, but not all, of their articles. Off-topic - I'm rather annoyed that this has received so little coverage in the Canadian media. Sometimes this self-effacing Canadian attitude goes a little too far, (speaking as an ardent Canadian nationalist) especially when it involves such an interesting find. Recently there was a book published on Canadian social attitudes called "Sex in the Snow". A catchy title, and I can't help but wonder if this iceman didn't meet his end.... And my apologies to the original poster, who ever you are! I will never doubt you again. Sheridan Alder --------------E4A2D44238D2CADA06EE8D71 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings everyone:

I'm kinda late for 09-09-99. An introvert, and damn proud of it, I only post
when I feel I can make a contribution or pick people's brains. Besides,
it's hard enough to wrestle my husband off ebay, (wasting our hard-earned
sustenance - it would be cheaper if he drank and ran around with wild
women), long enough for me read the e-mail. Sigh! I wanted him to become
more computer literate, but I created a monster! As well, if I was a regular
participant, members might ask me how the such n' such project was
going, and I would be forced to admit it has joined the ranks of my other 1/4,
1/2, 3/4, and 99.9% finished projects! Although it appears as if I'm not the only
one who doesn't finish a costume until the morning of an event.

Not long ago someone posted a message regarding news of another
"iceman" discovered in British Columbia. I'm ashamed to admit that
I shrugged it off as another internet rumour - after all I'm Canadian,
and I haven't heard anything about it! Time went by, and no one on
the list responded, and there was nothing in the news about it. My
opinion was confirmed.

Much to my surprise, a recent issue of the American journal "Science"
had a brief article on the discovery. Unfortunately, idiot girl galloped out the
door ("It's Friday, blessed Friday, yippee!) without her backpack containing
the article.

From memory - the body was discovered August 14th in a glacier in
northern BC by hikers, and is now in storage in the Yukon until native
groups and researchers reach an agreement on how to research it. The
article suggested it was expected that an amicable agreement could be
reached, unlike the case of Kennewick (Kessewick?) man, a controversial
U.S.find.

The body was reported as wearing a finely woven hat and a cloak of small
pelts similar to squirrel or groundhog. A spear thrower was also found.
The body could be as old as 10,000 years old or as recent as the early
European occupation.

"Science" is published by the American Association for the Advancement of
Science, relying on my unreliable memory, and they have a web page with
access to a few, but not all, of their articles.

Off-topic - I'm rather annoyed that this has received so little coverage in the
Canadian media. Sometimes this self-effacing Canadian attitude goes a little
too far, (speaking as an ardent Canadian nationalist) especially when it involves
such an interesting find.

Recently there was a book published on Canadian social attitudes called
"Sex in the Snow". A catchy title, and I can't help but wonder if this iceman
didn't meet his end....

And my apologies to the original poster, who ever you are! I will never doubt you
again.

Sheridan Alder --------------E4A2D44238D2CADA06EE8D71-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 22:48:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28703 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:48:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01509; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11641 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:01:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from loki.intrepid.net (IDENT:root@intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11630 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:01:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sue.computercrafters.com (pm3frd1-68-103.intrepid.net [206.102.68.103]) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA09382 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:01:29 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990911000513.007c8100@intrepid.net> X-Sender: sshatto@intrepid.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:05:13 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sue Shatto Subject: Re: H-COST: re-pinking In-Reply-To: References: <37D9E4D3.6240@virgin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sue Shatto Carol, I bought one from the lady that publishes Dressmaker Magazine. There are 2 or 3 styles. I think they were $35. Her husband makes them, so they are advertised in the magazine. maybe someone will have a name and number for you. At 05:49 PM 9/10/99 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" > >At 10:12 PM 09/10/1999, dawn.wood1@virgin.net wrote: The slashes were >often 'glued' along the edges by using gum arabic or gum tragacanth. Also >as the pinking tools(they weren't scissors but a die you hit with a hammer) >could be used hot this often sealed the edge of the fabric. I've >experimented with both of these and they work > Wow--a die...anyone know of any craftsmen who might be making >these? Or, alternately, happen to have handy the recipes for gum >arabic/gum tragacanth? Carol > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > Cordially, Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com http://www.VictorianMillinery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 22:49:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28707 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:49:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01778; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:05:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11864 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:03:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11853 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:03:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([208.255.162.248]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990911040306.XDXF24367@worldnet.att.net> for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:03:06 +0000 Message-ID: <37D9D225.3634DEAC@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:53:09 -0700 From: Carolyn Richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: re-pinking References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carolyn Richardson Carol J. Bell Cannon wrote: > -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" > > At 10:12 PM 09/10/1999, dawn.wood1@virgin.net wrote: The slashes were > often 'glued' along the edges by using gum arabic or gum tragacanth. Also > as the pinking tools(they weren't scissors but a die you hit with a hammer) > could be used hot this often sealed the edge of the fabric. I've > experimented with both of these and they work Singer used to make a pinking attachment for their standard low shank machines. They come up on eBay every now and then. For cloth this might be the ticket for long pinked slashes or seams - you basically run the fabric thru like you're sewing it but it pinks it instead. > Wow--a die...anyone know of any craftsmen who might be making > these? Or, alternately, happen to have handy the recipes for gum > arabic/gum tragacanth? Carol > I'm sure for leather workers they can probably get a die made for pinking. Gum arabic is easily available from art supply stores. It's used for binding pigments in paints, particularly watercolors, gouache, or tempera. Winsor Newton makes a liquid form of it (premixed, ready to go) that Aaron Bros or Michaels would carry in most of their stores. If you want to mix it yourself you can buy it in powdered form from Pen and Ink Books or Sinopia. Gum tragacanth can probably be had from Sinopia or other pigment dealers online (don't have the websites handy but can get them). Carolyn (who also does illumination and just got some powdered gum arabic from Pen and Ink, but also has the liquid around). _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 22:52:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28713 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:52:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01980; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:08:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12284 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:06:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu10.smtp.email.msn.com [207.46.181.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12276 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sharp-9070- - 208.253.11.5 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:05:21 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Button holes, Danish and Irish buttons Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:13:23 -0400 Message-ID: <001401befc0c$42a884e0$260bfdd0@sharp-9070-> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00a901befb97$08619940$4b3daccf@e4c2n6> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" I got goosebumps reading Ms. Winkler's earlier post this evening about the buttons all the way up the outside of a medieval Danish sleeve. Mairead Dunlevy has a photograph in her wonderful book *Dress in Ireland* of a man's (Irish) coat of similar or only slightly later period with what sounds like the same detail. She emphasized that the buttons were not functional, but decorative. I don't know where Mr. Hitchcock got "100 years" from, but I have read that buttons started as a decorative thing, and only later became functional. My memory is a little fuzzy on this point, but I would hazard that Arnold, Tarrant, and Dunlevy have all written that buttons preceded buttonholes. Hope H. Dunlap > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Penny Ladnier > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 10:16 AM > To: h-costume > Subject: H-COST: Button holes > > > > -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > > I was watching Alfred Hitchcock presents the other night. > Mr. Hitchcock > stated that buttons were invented 100 years prior to > buttonholes. Is this > true??? > > Later... Penny > http://www.costumegallery.com > > ____________________________________________________________ _____ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 22:55:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29089 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:55:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02189; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:10:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12536 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:08:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12316; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:06:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-61-106.s106.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.106]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA09906; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002001befc0a$aa933840$6a3daccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Cc: "Vintage" , "Wear digest" , "WearableArt" , "h-needlework" , "Fantasy" Subject: H-COST: An event Monday Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:03:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I just received this late message, so I hope you all can view this: September 15, 1999 at 3:30pm EST The Ohio State University's Historic Costume and Textiles Collection in the College of Human Ecology will broadcast the premiere of "Scaasi: The Joy of Dressing Up," a video presentation of the Collection's exhibition from October 8, 1998 through February 27, 1999. We invite you to participate in this interactive video streaming event and contribute your thoughts, questions, and comments. Gayle Strege, Curator of the Historic Costume and Textiles Collection will be in the site's chat room to answer any questions you might have about the exhibition. For more information, visit our website at http://video.hec.ohio-state.edu/index.html. It is highly recommended that you check out the website prior to the broadcast, as you may need to download software. For technical assistance contact Eva Bradshaw at bradshaw.3@osu.edu. Gayle Strege Curator, Historic Costume & Textiles Collection 175 Campbell Hall 1787 Neil Avenue Columbus, OH 43210-1295 (614) 292-3090 _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 22:58:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29093 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:58:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02436; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12961 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:11:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12955 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:11:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([208.255.162.248]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990911041101.XGRV24367@worldnet.att.net> for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:11:01 +0000 Message-ID: <37D9D3FF.B9E9966E@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:01:03 -0700 From: Carolyn Richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Italian Ren Pattern References: <19990910225205.66050.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carolyn Richardson kris .. wrote: > -I'm making version "B" with version "A"'s sleeves out of a linen/cotton > blend in a color that matches a Color Box stamp pad I've got :] "Colonial > Blue". I don't have quite enough, so I'm thinking of lengthening the hem > with some navy I have in the same fabric. Is this a period thing to do for > It. Ren? My SCA period is 1475-1525 German, so I don't know :] Better would be to make the sleeves or bodice out of a different color than lengthening the hem. Sleeves were often contrasting fabrics - bodices also, but seen less often than different colored sleeves. If you can squeeze a bodice AND skirt out of the fabric you have, go for it. If there's only enough for the skirt, I think I'd use Dress A or C's bodice which has an insert that can be a different color. > Also, I was > wondering if doing the trims & sleeves & my bits of underskirt that show in > a color called "Tea Rose", kind of a peachy pink, and palest yellow would be > ok. I realize that colors were used in excess, and they *do* look good > together.. :D Colonial blue (whatever that is), peachy pink and pale yellow sounds very Victorian to me. Italian used colors "in excess" as you say and they liked them bright. Colonial blue would work real well for Italian Ren with *red* sleeves or *bright* yellow. I've seen several paintings of women wearing red dresses with blue sleeves so no reason you couldn't do it in reverse (I'm sure I've seen that too). > I am also going to fit the bodice first, and change it by making the front > underbust seam straight across, and using gathers instead of the darts.. Is > there a way to avoid darts and gathers altogether? Make a corset to go under it. That'll take care of those darts and gathers. I wear Italian Ren all the time (usually the long waisted kind, not the high waisted like in teh Simplicity pattern) - my pattern is 2 pieces, front and back joined at the seams. And I'm a 38 DD. But I always wear a corset. > oh, and pleating the skirt onto the bodice would be more accurate than the > gathers, right? damn right. Cartridge pleating it would be even better. Carolyn (aka Tetchubah) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 23:02:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29104 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:02:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02880; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:18:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13455 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:15:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13447 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([208.255.162.248]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990911041524.XICM24367@worldnet.att.net> for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:15:24 +0000 Message-ID: <37D9D506.79213505@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:05:26 -0700 From: Carolyn Richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Leather doublet questions References: <37D73BA0.6C6C6B53@bc.sympatico.ca> <199909101510.JAA13174@email.boisestate.edu> <37D940B1.781CC2B5@home.com> <37D9432F.20BFC6C3@serv.net> <37D949D0.E5F853C8@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carolyn Richardson Kat & Kent wrote: > -Poster: Kat & Kent > > I've got the main body almost done (center front is open still). I need > to put in the lining and put on the sleeves although at this point I'm > probably going to make them tie-ons. It's out of a midnight to navy > blue light to medium weight leather with the suede side out. Because > it's a floor length I had to use three different sides to cut it out. > It's seven panels (the back was cut on the fold) and will lace up the > front to a square neckline. If I'm wearing it anywhere that isn't air > conditioned or cold I plan on wearing a farthingale under it to hold the > skirt away from my body. Maybe it's just me but a *farthingale*under*a*cotehardie*?? Are you mad, woman? I don't mean to sound rude but these 2 garments are at least a hundred years apart. No flame intended but I think you really should stick to wearing it at SF cons, because undoubtedly someone at Ren Faire or SCA would make rude comments. Stick to lining it with something comfortable and wear a chemise under it - or develop a very thick skin (pun intended). Carolyn/Tetchubah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 23:04:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29112 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:04:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03096; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:20:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13697 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:18:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.19]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13685 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:17:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sharp-9070- - 208.253.11.61 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:16:50 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: RE: Bag Sleeves on Leines Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:25:28 -0400 Message-ID: <001701befc0d$daff6e60$260bfdd0@sharp-9070-> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199909110254.TAA03360@zeus.directcon.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" Good point, Margo. I don't really know what the poster meant by a "bagged sleeve." The bag sleeve is a pretty widely used historical term, where the sleeve is cartridge pleated or gathered into the armscye and then hangs long, gathered tight together at the "wrist." The forearm extends out a bound and emboridered slot in the front of the sleeve, while the dangling remainder may be used like a pocket. Pretty widely found in fashionable velvet, wool, linen garments, women's, but especially mens, in Western Europe 1400 (approx) to 1600 (approx). Hope H. Dunlap > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Margo Anderson > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 10:54 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: H-COST: RE: Bag Sleeves on Leines > > > > -Poster: Margo Anderson > > > I believe that there is often some confusion as to what is > meant by "bag > sleeves" To some people, it means a very wide sleeve with > the end sewn up > most of the way, forming a bag. But...to some people, especially when > discussing leines, a "bag sleeve" may mean a sleeve that has > gathers along > the top of the arm, so that when worn, it resembles a > drawstring bag. this > is the meaning I was thinking of when on several occasions, I > have stated > that leines did not have bag sleeves. > > Margo > > > "One Tough Costumer" > http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm > > ____________________________________________________________ _____ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 23:15:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29121 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:15:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04036; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:31:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14820 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:29:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from c2smtp.kentlaw.edu (c2smtp.kentlaw.edu [192.148.222.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14809 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:29:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: X-SMF-Message-ID: A893D93701AA3400 X-SMF-Hop-Count: 1 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:26:00 -0500 From: KATHARINE WHISLER To: h-costume@indra.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00102459 Subject: H-COST: Boring clothes? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.51 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: KATHARINE WHISLER Here's a question for you all: A few weeks back when my boyfriend accompanied me to my favorite clothing store, Brooks Brothers, he remarked that he found it strange that someone as interested in the history of fashion as I am would always wear rather boring clothes. Thinking about it, he's right, I do tend to choose very basic clothes that I can wear for years-- but this is because I'd rather buy something of better quality that will last a while than some cheap fashionable thing that is poorly made and will wear out in short order. I suppose the fashionable clothes that would interest me are just plain too expensive (in time or money). I did see a lovely Chanel jacket the other day and it wasn't boring at all. Of course, it was also nearly $2000. So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? --Katharine Whisler _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 23:24:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29142 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:24:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05434; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:40:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15819 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:38:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15809 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:38:14 -0600 (MDT) From: HighlndLss@aol.com Received: from HighlndLss@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6WSIa00254 (4233) for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:37:34 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/18C stays and shoulder straps To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: HighlndLss@aol.com I have used basket weaving reed, and I can only hope that you have better luck than I did with the stays. The 18th century stays I made were from small rounds, but after a while the reed got really dried out, and started cracking, especially around the waist line. I had the stays fully boned, they were quite stiff, and worked well for a while, then after a winter sitting in my camp chest, even though I wet them down to keep them pliant, they still began to crack. And with the amount of work that goes into making stays, you don't want to have to redo them every year. Just my experience, hope that yours work better. Susan K. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 23:28:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29159 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:28:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05915; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:44:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16263 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:41:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16253 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:41:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02912 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-58-68.lightspeed.net [209.165.58.68]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28661 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008201befc10$eee03560$6dabfea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Confederate Uniform Braid Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:48:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" Meribeth, If there is a specific arrangement for it to be sewed on, I wouldn't know. I remember a post about the office held and I am not sure if it being applied in a certain way is necessary...but, wouldn't work to hand tack it? Pin it where you want it and hand sew it. I have a friend that does Civil War events. Her husband has THE cannon, or so he thinks! If there is something more to the applying the braid, let me know and I will ask her. Michelle >-Poster: Meribeth McCombs > >Everyone...thanks to a wonderful list member I now know what kind of >braid..but I still have no idea what the best attachment method for it >is. Help! > >MeriBeth _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 23:29:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29166 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:29:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06059; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:45:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16390 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:43:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16384 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:43:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03447 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-58-68.lightspeed.net [209.165.58.68]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29314 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008b01befc11$1d6d52a0$6dabfea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/18C stays and shoulder straps Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:50:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" > >-Poster: Margo Anderson > >.. a whole >>reel of 1/2" reed costs about 7 bucks & makes dozens of corsets, with 30 to >>40 bones apiece. Just cut them to length, round off the ends, rub them with >>wax, and insert. > >Do you have a mail order source for reed? > >Margo > I am also, very, interested. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 23:31:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29179 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:31:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06265; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16589 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:45:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.130]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16579 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:45:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Porb (light54.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.54]) by sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA01743 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990910214711.007a3100@antir.com> X-Sender: i.wonder@antir.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:47:11 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kris Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Italian Ren Pattern In-Reply-To: <37D9D3FF.B9E9966E@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990910225205.66050.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kris At 09:01 PM 10/09/99 -0700, you wrote: >-Poster: Carolyn Richardson >Better would be to make the sleeves or bodice out of a different color than >lengthening the hem. Sleeves were often contrasting fabrics - bodices also, but >seen less often than different colored sleeves. If you can squeeze a bodice AND >skirt out of the fabric you have, go for it. If there's only enough for the >skirt, I think I'd use Dress A or C's bodice which has an insert that can be a >different color. >bright. Colonial blue would work real well for Italian Ren with *red* sleeves >or *bright* yellow. I've seen several paintings of women wearing red dresses >with blue sleeves so no reason you couldn't do it in reverse (I'm sure I've seen >that too). oh! oh! I have LOTS of navy.. AND cranberry.. in the same fabric.. *plotting a new scheme* Maybe I'll do THAT for my It.Ren, and use the light one for.. something else down the road.. >Make a corset to go under it. That'll take care of those darts and gathers. I >wear Italian Ren all the time (usually the long waisted kind, not the high >waisted like in teh Simplicity pattern) - my pattern is 2 pieces, front and back >joined at the seams. And I'm a 38 DD. But I always wear a corset. So basically just make a boned, separate version of the bodice to wear underneath? But a little bit longer to avoid those unsightly bulges? >damn right. Cartridge pleating it would be even better. I know this would be best, but my fabric is kind of thin, and even if I interline it, I'm not sure if it would work. I'll just have to try it and see. oh.. and I would stitch the cartridge pleated skirt onto a separate waistband, right? Just to take pressure off the bodice? I could tie them together with little dangly bits.. Thanks so much! This has given me *fabullous* ideas :] Kris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 23:34:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29186 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:34:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06432; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:50:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16956 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:48:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16949 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:48:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA05566 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-58-68.lightspeed.net [209.165.58.68]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02161 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00a001befc11$de51d0e0$6dabfea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Leather doublet questions Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:55:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" Linda, I would test the leather first. The stitch length may be so close that it cuts your leather. When I sew leather, I always lengthen the stitch, especially if the leather is as supple as you say. Is your machine able to sew through it? Some can't handle it. Michelle >Linda Yordy wrote: >> Am looking for advice from those of you who know about sewing >> with leather. >> I've never sewn on real leather before. I've heard that I need a >> leather sewing machine needle (this is very supple leather and >> should go through the machine ok). I've also heard to use longer >> stitches than I would with woven fabric. > >I would *definately* get leather needles! But I use the same stitch >length I do on woven fabrics (2 on my machine). > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 23:52:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29195 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:52:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07403; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:02:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18072 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:00:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18054 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:00:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990911045958.UCWJ16271.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:59:58 -0700 Message-ID: <37D9E1D2.A06A0F01@home.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:00:02 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Leather doublet questions References: <37D73BA0.6C6C6B53@bc.sympatico.ca> <199909101510.JAA13174@email.boisestate.edu> <37D940B1.781CC2B5@home.com> <37D9432F.20BFC6C3@serv.net> <37D949D0.E5F853C8@home.com> <37D9D506.79213505@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kat & Kent Carolyn Richardson wrote: > > > Maybe it's just me but a *farthingale*under*a*cotehardie*?? Are you > mad, woman? I don't mean to sound rude but these 2 garments are at > least a hundred years apart. No flame intended but I think you really > should stick to wearing it at SF cons, because undoubtedly someone at > Ren Faire or SCA would make rude comments. Stick to lining it with > something comfortable and wear a chemise under it - or develop a very > thick skin (pun intended). Perhaps I was too sick when I wrote the post...I thought I had *already* stated that this garment was *intended* for SF cons and NOT for Faire or SCA. I also stated that I wear a chemise under all my cotehardies. At SCA (which I don't do anymore) I'd be more likely to be found in 12th C garb anyway and our Faire is set at Henry VIII's court so I'm unlikely to be wearing a cotehardie *there*. I'm making it because of the challange...well, and I wanted to see what it would look like and someone gave me the leather to try it and see how it would come out (for nefarious purposes...I think he wants to make ball gowns for women with far more money than I and given his talent with design and leather they should be stunning) and I go to Chattacon every January, which while it's not as bad as some (being in TN) isn't exactly *warm*. Kat hoping to have corrected any misconceptions about addressing a question put by another poster _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 23:55:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29199 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:55:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07843; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:11:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19119 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:08:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19111 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:08:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13097 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-58-68.lightspeed.net [209.165.58.68]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12851 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <012401befc14$ae11cc20$6dabfea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: re-pinking Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:15:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" Tandy Leather. >-Poster: aleed > >Pinking Tools? > >Where? > >Thanks, > >Drea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Fri Sep 10 23:58:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29203 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:58:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08017; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:14:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19454 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:11:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19442 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:11:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14193 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-58-68.lightspeed.net [209.165.58.68]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14454 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <012f01befc15$1fab8600$6dabfea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Dress forms Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:18:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" >-Poster: rima@anet.net >OK, so who knows of a terrific dress form that 's out there, that's easily >adjustable between two women's sizes - my friend and I wanna share, but >she's 4 inches taller and thinner! >Rima I think it really depends on how much of a size difference there is between you. I think most of them are made to cover a small range of sizes. Height doesn't matter so much. I was wondering thought, How are you go to do this without a fight? I don't think I could share. ;) I would want it ALL the time! Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 00:07:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29214 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:07:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08413; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:22:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20279 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:19:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20267 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:19:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990911051953.UGTT16271.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:19:53 -0700 Message-ID: <37D9E67C.1B74021@home.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:19:56 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Handsewing question References: <00f201befbf8$aabfa4a0$03000004@van1282> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kat & Kent The Rogue wrote: > > I have an amazing way with sewing machines - have broken 4 in the last > year. > Even on of the indestructible black Singer straight sew models. Now I > handsew everything, and found that I really like handsewing much more > than working with a machine. This works well with the 20th century > Norse costuming I've been doing, but the thought of doing later period > clothing worries me. Has anyone handsewn a corset, dresses or > doublet? Any advice would be helpful. Especially about handsewing in > an authentic manner (if I'm stuck doing it, why not have a little fun > with it!!) or materials or methods to avoid. Well, since I didn't even *have* a sewing machine for the first 6 years I was sewing I think I can answer at least part of this! I've sewn everything from 70's peasant blouses to prairie bonnets to full length gowns by hand with no problems (except for thread knotting up on me!). I always use quilting or button thread for handsewing. I run out about a yard and a half, thread it through the needle, double it and knot it and if the thread gives me too much trouble I *wax* it (amazing what that can do!). I either fold my seam over and under (so the cut edge is covered and sew down the middle of that or I sew a shirt tail hem all the way around and then sew the appropriate seams together. I tend to take four - five stitches at a time and I use the thinnest needles I can find. I never, ever use a thimble (which shocked the heck out of my grandmothers) but that's because I've yet to find one that feels comfortable at *all* (conventional, ring, leather, quilters etc). I often do garments completely by hand if time allows (although for theatrical sewing I tend to go with the machine for times sake and if I'm pressed on my own garments will sew the interior seams by machine and just do the finishing by hand). If you are sewing through a number of thickness' of fabric (ex a corset) you may find it easier to use a good thimble and bring the needle through and then back one stitch at a time. Of course, the closer and more even the stitches the better. I have used a leather needle on a garment that had one layer of canvas and two of cloth because I got tired of bending needles. The biggest thing is to match your needle and thread to the garment material. If you haven't already, you might look into picking up a set of 'craft needles'. They generally contain two curved needles and a glovers needle, all of which I've found helpful while handsewing. My best advice is, if it doesn't work the first time...try switching needle or thread or both. Enjoy. BTW I'm curious...how exactly are you breaking the machines? Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 00:10:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29220 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:10:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08676; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:26:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20722 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:24:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20709 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:23:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA18599 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-58-68.lightspeed.net [209.165.58.68]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20605 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <015d01befc16$d1c6cf60$6dabfea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Handsewing question Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:30:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" ->I have an amazing way with sewing machines - have broken 4 in the last year. OH dear! How did that happen? Has anyone handsewn a corset, dresses or doublet? Any advice >would be helpful. Especially about handsewing in an authentic manner (if >I'm stuck doing it, why not have a little fun with it!!) or materials or >methods to avoid. > >Zelda Back stitching is a must for the corset. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 00:30:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29236 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:29:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09667; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:46:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22659 for h-costume-outgoing; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:43:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f85.hotmail.com [207.82.250.191]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA22653 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:43:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 79479 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1999 05:43:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19990911054314.79478.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.244.98.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:43:13 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.244.98.17] From: "L.L. Johnson" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: The iceman cometh? Re: H-COST: Canadian iceman redux Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:43:13 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "L.L. Johnson" Hullo Sheridan Re your "iceman." The San Francisco Chronicle has a article dated Aug 25. It's in their online archives. You need to access the site at www.sfgate.com and find their Aug 25 edition. Article is titled "Ancient Man Uncovered in Canadian Ice/Hunter preserved with clothing, tools" The author is James Brooke. Would dearly love to be involved in the clothing study/reconstruction research generated by this find. Working on this kind of stuff has been a dream of mine since I was a kid, way too long ago to remember. Wish I knew who to talk to about getting started in a career in this. Ah well. Anyway,enjoy the article. Lonna (Enyd) Oakland, CA >From: Sheridan Alder >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: H-COST: Canadian iceman redux >Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:57:17 -0500 > >Greetings everyone: > >I'm kinda late for 09-09-99. An introvert, and damn proud of it, I only >post >when I feel I can make a contribution or pick people's brains. Besides, >it's hard enough to wrestle my husband off ebay, (wasting our hard-earned >sustenance - it would be cheaper if he drank and ran around with wild >women), long enough for me read the e-mail. Sigh! I wanted him to become >more computer literate, but I created a monster! As well, if I was a >regular >participant, members might ask me how the such n' such project was >going, and I would be forced to admit it has joined the ranks of my other >1/4, >1/2, 3/4, and 99.9% finished projects! Although it appears as if I'm not >the >only >one who doesn't finish a costume until the morning of an event. > >Not long ago someone posted a message regarding news of another >"iceman" discovered in British Columbia. I'm ashamed to admit that >I shrugged it off as another internet rumour - after all I'm Canadian, >and I haven't heard anything about it! Time went by, and no one on >the list responded, and there was nothing in the news about it. My >opinion was confirmed. > >Much to my surprise, a recent issue of the American journal "Science" >had a brief article on the discovery. Unfortunately, idiot girl galloped >out the > >door ("It's Friday, blessed Friday, yippee!) without her backpack >containing >the article. > >From memory - the body was discovered August 14th in a glacier in >northern BC by hikers, and is now in storage in the Yukon until native >groups and researchers reach an agreement on how to research it. The >article suggested it was expected that an amicable agreement could be >reached, unlike the case of Kennewick (Kessewick?) man, a controversial >U.S.find. > >The body was reported as wearing a finely woven hat and a cloak of small >pelts similar to squirrel or groundhog. A spear thrower was also found. >The body could be as old as 10,000 years old or as recent as the early >European occupation. > >"Science" is published by the American Association for the Advancement of >Science, relying on my unreliable memory, and they have a web page with >access to a few, but not all, of their articles. > >Off-topic - I'm rather annoyed that this has received so little coverage in >the >Canadian media. Sometimes this self-effacing Canadian attitude goes a >little >too far, (speaking as an ardent Canadian nationalist) especially when it >involves >such an interesting find. > >Recently there was a book published on Canadian social attitudes called >"Sex in the Snow". A catchy title, and I can't help but wonder if this >iceman >didn't meet his end.... > >And my apologies to the original poster, who ever you are! I will never >doubt >you >again. > >Sheridan Alder ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 00:54:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29247 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:54:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10813; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:10:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24995 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:08:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.radiks.net (mail.radiks.net [205.138.126.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24989 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:07:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup (56K-lnk-123.radiks.net [206.29.243.125]) by mail.radiks.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA15442 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:06:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990911010516.03c28a08@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:05:16 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: H-COST: Re: Medieval Misc. In-Reply-To: <199909110445.WAA16605@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger I've used the MM houppelande pattern. Can't speak to its authenticity, I was using it for a fantasy costume. However, it seemed to go together easily - everything fit, etc. I don't remember having to alter extensively (size 18-20) for width, and I'm 5'11" so I didn't have to shorten anything (the most common complaint I've heard locally is that they are too long). I also remember not using the directions, just assembling it the way that seemed logical. The biggest problem was that I was using the floor-length sleeves, and they were lined, and the sheer quantity of fabric became rather daunting by the time it was all together! Sandy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 00:57:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29251 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:57:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11056; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:13:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25294 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:10:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f248.hotmail.com [207.82.251.139]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA25289 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:10:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 77293 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1999 06:10:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19990911061020.77291.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.244.98.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:10:19 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.244.98.17] From: "L.L. Johnson" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Soft lining for leather "cote"Re: H-COST: Leather doublet questions Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:10:19 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "L.L. Johnson" Or you can try lining the "cote" itself in a soft cotton that breathes (preferably natural with no sizing or dye added). Then you can add a cotton chemise under it. Don't know how period that would be, but I think it would take care of some of the sweating/sticking to skin problems. Instead of a farthingale to hold it away from your body, how about a soft petticoat? (Carolyn, my memory fails me here, were petticoat-like underpinnings worn in the 14th century? That's the one thing I've been unable to figure out which is rather frustrating since my persona is from the early/mid 14th century.) Whatever you come up with, Kat, please scan some pictures to the list. I'm quivering with anticipation at just how this is going to look. BTW, what kind of buttons are you using? Lapis beads/buttons would be a lovely accent. Lonna (Enyd) >From: Carolyn Richardson >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: Leather doublet questions >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:05:26 -0700 > > >-Poster: Carolyn Richardson > > > >Kat & Kent wrote: > > > -Poster: Kat & Kent > > > > I've got the main body almost done (center front is open still). I need > > to put in the lining and put on the sleeves although at this point I'm > > probably going to make them tie-ons. It's out of a midnight to navy > > blue light to medium weight leather with the suede side out. Because > > it's a floor length I had to use three different sides to cut it out. > > It's seven panels (the back was cut on the fold) and will lace up the > > front to a square neckline. If I'm wearing it anywhere that isn't air > > conditioned or cold I plan on wearing a farthingale under it to hold the > > skirt away from my body. > >Maybe it's just me but a *farthingale*under*a*cotehardie*?? Are you mad, >woman? I don't mean to sound rude but these 2 garments are at least a >hundred years apart. No flame intended but I think you really should stick >to wearing it at SF cons, because undoubtedly someone at Ren Faire or SCA >would make rude comments. Stick to lining it with something comfortable >and >wear a chemise under it - or develop a very thick skin (pun intended). > >Carolyn/Tetchubah > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 01:27:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29696 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:27:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12708; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:43:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27951 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:40:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from alchemyweb.greateralchemy.net ([209.186.228.137]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA27939 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:40:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ELEMENTAL (unverified [209.30.233.39]) by alchemyweb.greateralchemy.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:50:03 -0500 Received: by ELEMENTAL with Microsoft Mail id <01BEFBF6.65CCCDC0@ELEMENTAL>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:38:50 -0500 Message-ID: <01BEFBF6.65CCCDC0@ELEMENTAL> From: Carrie Veenstra To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: Boring clothes? Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:54:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BEFBF6.65CCCDC0" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carrie Veenstra ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEFBF6.65CCCDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: KATHARINE WHISLER [SMTP:KWHISLER@kentlaw.edu] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 11:26 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Boring clothes? So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? --Katharine Whisler [Carrie Veenstra]=20 I wear t-shirts and shorts/sweats/jeans (%100 cotton EVERYTHING) until = they are plain worn out, I think because I'm always working on something = and this is the most comfortable/washable option. I don't dress up very = often anyhow, and even in the realm of historical I like making = costumes/clothes for others much more than for myself.=20 For Ren, my clothing style really mirrors everyday -- mix-n-match = peasant wear -- for much the same reasons. For 'Dress Up' < for what most people would consider casual or = business dress up to formal> I grab either hand-me-downs from my mom's = closet, or whatever doesn't hurt the pocketbook too much at Lane = Bryant's . If I had a bit of a smaller dress size I might = get into shopping more, but large-sized fashion at almost every level is = still very cost prohibitive. No, I don't own a neon pink spandex crushed velvet minidress... 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Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:27:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12709; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:43:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27976 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:40:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from alchemyweb.greateralchemy.net ([209.186.228.137]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA27961 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:40:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ELEMENTAL (unverified [209.30.233.39]) by alchemyweb.greateralchemy.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:50:09 -0500 Received: by ELEMENTAL with Microsoft Mail id <01BEFBF6.69ECB640@ELEMENTAL>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:38:57 -0500 Message-ID: <01BEFBF6.69ECB640@ELEMENTAL> From: Carrie Veenstra To: "h-costume-digest@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: Dress Forms Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:52:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id AAA27969 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carrie Veenstra I lost track of the original poster, but that dress form on the farthingale's site looked very neat to me. I've been beating on the mental puzzle of trying to dresses to-be-worn-with-a-corset on a standard type dress form and kept coming up puzzled... looks like with that form, I could fit the corset to the person, lace the corset to the form, and bingo-bango: Friend-who-agreed to be costumed doesn't have to stick around for most of the gory details (or watching over my shoulder, as the case may be). Being as that I am a Midnight to 4 am kind of worker, this would be VERY desirable. The price didn't look *too* outrageous for the product, tho I did just buy myself an adjustable dress form (cheapy cheapy) off of ebay to play with ($30 including shipping!!!) I, too, would be interested in general opinion of the "skwishy" form you linked to! to the rest of the list: is there another more obvious way to do this without the costume-ee present? I've considered the 'wrapped-in-plaster-build-your-own' form making process, too, but then I'm stuck storing multiple bulky forms, and that method doesn't solve the problem of a stable base on the unit. (Also, it's even harder to convince people to wrap themselves in plaster cloths & laytex than it is to convince them to wear a corset in the first place...) Carrie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 01:44:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29712 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:44:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13611; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:00:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29487 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:58:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29482 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990911065801.UZBF16271.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:58:01 -0700 Message-ID: <37D9FD79.E9A4DF99@home.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:58:01 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Soft lining for leather "cote"Re: H-COST: Leather doublet questions References: <19990911061020.77291.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kat & Kent I've already stated that I wear a chemise with cotehardies (heck, I wear a chemise with many, many things) but they won't keep the leather *off* my skin as far as I want if it's *hot* out...not that this is likely to be an issue...I'm not going to be tromping through any woods in this one! I wish I could afford lapis buttons but I'm more likely to grommet this so that it has more 'ease' or use 'buttonholes'. IOW it will lace not button. If I manage to get a pic of it once it's done and actually get it developed, I'll scan it and put it up somewhere. As for underpinnings...a chemise or underdress as I recall, don't remember coming across anything else but it's not my primary period. Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 02:47:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26145 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:47:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16564; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:02:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04766 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:00:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1-1.bctel.ca (mail1-1.bctel.ca [207.194.28.69]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04760 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:00:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bc.sympatico.ca (clwk01m01-5.bctel.ca [209.52.192.5]) by mail1-1.bctel.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA14430 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DA0C13.93437093@bc.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:00:19 -0700 From: Marilyn Warren Organization: Crone's Sewing Circle and Terrorist Society X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Canadian iceman redux References: <009401befbed$5670b340$3daba0d1@j9g8x8> <37C85B3D.E95ED03@vaxxine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Marilyn Warren I heard about this on KTLA (a Los Angeles TV Station). I heard it mentioned on a CBC radio broadcast once in the early morning. There was also a small snippet in the National Post. This all happened on one day, then nothing. Seems wars, slaughter, political machinations and such sell more ads and papers than something of historical importance. Such are our days. Morgan Crawford of Shrewsbury _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 03:23:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA26162 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:23:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA18773; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:39:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07619 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:37:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07611 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([208.255.165.251]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990911083706.ZWRU24367@worldnet.att.net> for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:37:06 +0000 Message-ID: <37DA1246.E54DEB2D@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:26:46 -0700 From: Carolyn Richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Italian Ren Pattern References: <19990910225205.66050.qmail@hotmail.com> <3.0.5.32.19990910214711.007a3100@antir.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carolyn Richardson Kris wrote: > oh! oh! I have LOTS of navy.. AND cranberry.. in the same fabric.. > *plotting a new scheme* Maybe I'll do THAT for my It.Ren, and use the light > one for.. something else down the road.. Either would be good. Green too (everyone break into a round of "Greensleeves" ;-) ) > So basically just make a boned, separate version of the bodice to wear > underneath? > But a little bit longer to avoid those unsightly bulges? Yep. My corset's a slightly different shape than the bodice and it laces in back (I usually use side openings on my Italians - easier to get into). > I know this would be best, but my fabric is kind of thin, and even if I > interline it, I'm not sure if it would work. I'll just have to try it and > see. oh.. and I would stitch the cartridge pleated skirt onto a separate > waistband, right? Just to take pressure off the bodice? I could tie them > together with little dangly bits.. I've cartridge pleated just about every weight of fabric except *really* lightweight stuff. I sewed some twill tape to the top of it to give it more body for cartridge pleating. And I frequently will pleat straight to the bodice rather than a separate waist band. Depends on the weight. Carolyn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 03:49:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA26698 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:49:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20190; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:05:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09657 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:02:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09651 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:02:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.138] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11Pj3S-0001Wf-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:02:43 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:00:52 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Canadian iceman redux In-Reply-To: <37DA0C13.93437093@bc.sympatico.ca> References: <009401befbed$5670b340$3daba0d1@j9g8x8> <37C85B3D.E95ED03@vaxxine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" There may eventually be more. Remember archaologists pour over each silly millimeter in excruciating detail, and then do it again another several times just to be certain they have not missed, nor misinterpreted anything--and in this case, they also mustneeds consult the tribe whose elder they have deemed this 'iceman' to be in every detail and obtain permissions from the tribe for doing it all. It takes time. I was amazed to note that people are still wearing hats very similar to his now--or at least I know someone who does. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 03:54:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA26704 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:54:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20328; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:10:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10121 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:08:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10113 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:08:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.138] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11Pj8m-0001l2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:08:13 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:06:22 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Italian Ren Pattern In-Reply-To: <37DA1246.E54DEB2D@worldnet.att.net> References: <19990910225205.66050.qmail@hotmail.com> <3.0.5.32.19990910214711.007a3100@antir.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 01:26 AM 09/11/1999, Carolyn Richardson wrote: >Kris wrote: oh! oh! I have LOTS of navy.. AND cranberry.. in the same fabric.. >> *plotting a new scheme* Maybe I'll do THAT for my It.Ren, and use the light >> one for.. something else down the road.. > Either would be good. Green too (everyone break into a round of "Greensleeves" ;-) But--each one takes a different verse, please, there are so many from which to choose. I'm getting excited about doing my first Italian Ren outfit, too, and will attempt more authenticity than I ever have before. I decided on side lacings, too, since, alas, I have no 'tiring maid, nor beloved who might aid me to lace otherwise. -- Gra/inne _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 04:03:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26804 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:03:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20561; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:20:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29816 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:17:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA29731 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:17:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by shared1-mail.whowhere.com; Sat Sep 11 02:17:15 1999 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:17:15 -0700 From: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: H-COST: Boring clothes? X-Sender-Ip: 199.44.36.157 Organization: email.women.com (http://www.emailwomen.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" I go as unique as I can get. Now that's not to say wild or crazy. I go for items that you won't see on anyone else...probably ever. I watch alot of style TV so I pick up on new looks and go for those, only problem is I' live in backwards-ass tallahassee FL (more like south georgia I think) they don't get things around here until about a year and 1/2 after it's gone back out of style. I remember about 4 or 5 years ago I went to every store in both malls and several independant stores loking for a plain black jacket with a leopard print collar COULD not find one. Finally I ordered one from a catalog, needless to say I got alot of weird looks at first from the classmates. About a year and 1/2 later everyone had one, they were all the rage by the time I'd tired of mine. It's not that I fancy myself a trend setter, lol it's just they are REALLY slow to catch on to EVERYTHING down here. Anyway back to the answer to your question. I don't dress plain. I find that noone dresses up for anything anymore (my fiance and I went to a show at the FSU opera last christmas and several of the "ladies" were wearing sneakers and jogging pants...can you imagine?) I try to put a little bit of the excitement back into dressing that everyone seems to have lost. When I shop for a suit coat I don't go for the plain and dull, I"ll opt for heavy embroidery. I love heels with lots of fine detail work etc. Alot of times I can't find what I want so I have to buythe basic and take it home and "doll it up" myself. Too much of life has been stripped to the basic, bare necessities I think. Ladies no longer lunch, dinner parties are no longer and EVENT and people stick to that, buy 12 wardrobe pieces that all match each other and that's it. well maybe it's just me, lol. I've always been discribed as "unique" so if my opinion offends anyone I'm sorry. --- Ginnaphure ICQ# 41340093 "Last time we mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the stake." >So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday >life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a >fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? > >--Katharine Whisler > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 04:17:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26825 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:17:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21148; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:33:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19885 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:31:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA19699 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:31:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by shared1-mail.whowhere.com; Sat Sep 11 02:30:30 1999 To: "Historic Costume" Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:30:30 -0700 From: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: H-COST: Red shoes? (forgot orig. poster) X-Sender-Ip: 199.44.36.157 Organization: email.women.com (http://www.emailwomen.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" I found the exact address for the shoes I spoke of in my earlier post. They appeared in the picture to be pinkish red... I appologize because the picture's captions says red; so I suppose they are just red. They are how ever made by Peter Fox like I thought and lo and behold they are on sale as well. The exact address is http://www.peterfox.com/796901R.html . Hope this helps a little. Also they don't come in white they come in Ivory...I was all off on the color, but you must forgive me it had been a month or two in actuality since I've been there. Time flys when you're on the net. lol --- Ginnaphure ICQ# 41340093 "Last time we mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the stake." Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 04:55:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26842 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:55:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA22402; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:11:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06694 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:09:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from cdale3.midwest.net (cdale3.midwest.net [208.235.1.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06687 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from talk2meg.midwest.net (johnstoncity34.midwest.net [208.235.11.172]) by cdale3.midwest.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA19363 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 05:12:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909111012.FAA19363@cdale3.midwest.net> From: "Mary-Gayle Jany" To: Subject: H-COST: RE: boring clothes Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 05:02:04 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Mary-Gayle Jany" Katherine: Since I missed de-lurking day all together (long work hours) and since your question IS one I can answer, here I am. One of several non-traditional classes that I teach is English As A Second Language, which means that I teach foreign-born students reading, writing, and speaking of English. One of the advantages of the class is that the students come from nine countries. An international splash of fashion styles, colors, and fabrics show up daily in class. Over the past couple of years, I've found myself adapting to (or adopting) various garments from each of my students' cultural settings, most of which have remained fairly steady over long periods of time. My absolute favorite this year is Mandarian sheaths. (I'm medium tall, thin, and proportionally top heavy, so the style looks good. Unfortunately, I'm not perpetually young.) A side advantage is that my students have taken to the game of "dressing Meg properly" in their native styles. They are more comfortable talking about a subject they're familiar with, even though they struggle to find comparable English words. I'm learning a goodly amount about fabrics and construction (modern) techniques along the way and we sometimes nearly burst laughing at their attempts to "reform" me. (Their attempts to explain politely in English that my clumsiness in trying to sink down gracefully in an obi makes for many cluckings of tongues.) I enjoy the game too and try to play by their rules whenever possible, although so far I've refused to change my reddish-blonde hair to black. My biggest pet peeve is unmatched plaids! Current manufacturers seem to be visually impaired concerning plaids. If the plaid in a garment is unmatched, it's cheap, IMHO, regardless of what the price tag reads! Meg _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 07:23:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27350 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:23:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27504; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:39:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22908 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:35:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.his.com (root@mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22900 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:35:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.252.121.168] (pm9-168.his.com [205.252.121.168]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20172 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lola@mail.his.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909110445.WAA16605@net.indra.com> References: <199909110445.WAA16605@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:29:42 -0400 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Lola Lee Subject: H-COST: Re: Boring clothes? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Lola Lee At 10:45 PM -0600 9/10/99, owner-h-costume-digest@indra.com wrote: >So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday >life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a >fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? I tend to wear "boring", conservative clothes. Why? Because I can't stand the fashion that is forced on us year after year, such as retro 60s or whatever. I want to have good quality clothes that will last for years, especially as I'm petite and have a hard time finding clothes that fit me (why do they never keep size Small in stock???). If I had my way, there would be plenty of 1900s-1920s style and not the 90's version of these style in stock. Shoes, as well. I'm sorry, but those squarish shoes with huge, boxy heels just don't appeal to me - I have small, high-arched feet and these would just look ridiculous on me. I find the shoes from the 1900s-1920s very stylish. As it is, I go for clothes that you'd find in LL Beans, and maybe a little Laura Ashley. Also, natural fiber as much as possible. Meaning, no pantyhose for me (I have dry skin, and in winter I have to slap on lotion on my legs every other hour or so). Lola - mailto:lola@his.com Gospodi Pomilui | Lord Have Mercy | Get a Mac and a Palm! http://www.his.com/~lola/ljl.html | ICQ: 14914550 I'm in Bowie, MD, USA, halfway between DC and Annapolis. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 08:03:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27774 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:03:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01164; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:20:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26433 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:16:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26428; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:16:07 -0600 (MDT) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id EK843E2Z; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:15:49 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume-digest@indra.com Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:09:14 -0500 Subject: Re: H-COST: Dress Forms Message-ID: <19990911.081040.-435891.0.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-7 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com For those of you who are doing the 'Duct-tape Double' type of form, when you fill it with foam (the spray in, expandable type) just stick a decent sized dowel/closet pole in the center and then use a Christmas tree stand to hold it when you need to use it. My friend Brenda and I made her a 'Double' which we did this with and it works well. The good thing about the foam filled form is that it's pretty light weight and doesn't pull itself over. Karen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 09:13:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27801 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:13:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07312; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:28:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03416 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:24:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03403 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:24:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6GNMa01987 (4417) for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8c476962.250bc00b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:24:11 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Handsewing question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Cheryldee@aol.com In a message dated 9/10/99 11:24:44 PM Mountain Daylight Time, mandrake@mypad.com writes: << Back stitching is a must for the corset. >> If you look inside most hand sewn period clothing, you will find either that the entire garment has been made with a small, regular backstitch, or with a running backstitch. (3 or 4 running stitches followed by a backstitch). The seam allowances are also most often overcast to prevent fraying. Hope this helps. Cheryl Odom _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 09:18:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28285 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:18:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07888; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03954 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:30:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from public.ndh.com (public.ndh.net [194.97.97.21]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03947 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Andrea (port109.koeln.ndh.net [195.94.92.109]) by public.ndh.com (8.8.7/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA25297 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:30:16 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37D84C7A.67913CFF@ndh.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:10:35 +0200 From: Andrea Clef X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: Re: 17th century X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------91497BAE78F37E54487CFB70" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Andrea Clef --------------91497BAE78F37E54487CFB70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >To Jill of ECWS: I'm thrilled to hear that there *is* another 17th century > >enthusiast on the list. It's always seemed as though I was the only one! > >Kate Bunting > >King's Lifeguard of Foote/ Captaine Generalls Musick, Sealed Knot > -------- > Jill and Kate, > I do 17th c. (Cavalier Association, Columbus Ohio, US). We do ECW in the US > and American colonial 17th century. This summer, went to the muster at > Salem Village 1630. If I ever get to the UK again (last trip was 1984), > I'd love to attend some ECW and other events! > > Marsha Hamilton > And here are even more ;-) !I belong to an English-/German cooperative group that does French and English baroque in the 17th century. We want to focus on civilian events but there is also a regiment being built up, the "Kirke`s Lambs". We`re just starting out, if you`d like to know more about the group, visit http://www.kipar.org, there are some pics and information about 17th century dress up as well. Many greetings, Diana --------------91497BAE78F37E54487CFB70 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 

>To Jill of ECWS: I'm thrilled to hear that there *is* another 17th century
>enthusiast on the list. It's always seemed as though I was the only one!
>Kate Bunting
>King's Lifeguard of Foote/ Captaine Generalls Musick, Sealed Knot
--------
Jill and Kate,  
I do 17th c. (Cavalier Association, Columbus Ohio, US). We do ECW in the US
and American colonial 17th century.  This summer, went to the muster at
Salem Village 1630. If I ever get to the UK again (last trip was 1984),
I'd love to attend some ECW and other events!

Marsha Hamilton
And here are even more ;-) !I belong to an English-/German cooperative group that does French and English baroque in the 17th century.
We want to focus on civilian events but there is also a regiment being built up, the
"Kirke`s Lambs".
We`re just starting out, if you`d like to know more about the group, visit
http://www.kipar.org, there are some pics and information about 17th century dress up as well.

Many greetings,
Diana
  --------------91497BAE78F37E54487CFB70-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 10:38:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28319 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:38:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13332; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12180 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:50:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.144]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12172 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:50:31 -0600 (MDT) From: dawn.wood1@virgin.net Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.58.180]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19990911154601.TLQA2782.mta3-svc@LOCALNAME> for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:46:01 +0100 Message-ID: <37DA807A.1E7F@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:16:58 -0700 Organization: ages of elegance X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN712-000 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: re-pinking References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: dawn.wood1@virgin.net aleed wrote: > > -Poster: aleed > > Pinking Tools? > > Where? I got my otherhalf who's a metal worker to make me one as an experiment as I had never been able to find them. We also tried to silk stamp with a similar tool without the cutting edge which worked perfectly but the tool has to be heated > > I'd love to find some of these. So would I anyone any clues? > > Thanks, > > Drea > > On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 dawn.wood1@virgin.net wrote: > > > > > -Poster: dawn.wood1@virgin.net > > > > The slashes were often 'glued' along the edges by using gum arabic or > > gum tragacanth. Also as the pinking tools(they weren't scissors but a > > die you hit with a hammer) could be used hot this often sealed the edge > > of the fabric. I've experimented with both of these and they work > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 10:38:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28323 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:38:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13333; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:54:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12192 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:50:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.144]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12186 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:50:35 -0600 (MDT) From: dawn.wood1@virgin.net Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.58.180]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19990911154605.TLQK2782.mta3-svc@LOCALNAME> for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:46:05 +0100 Message-ID: <37DA81AA.6A2F@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:22:02 -0700 Organization: ages of elegance X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN712-000 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: re-pinking References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: dawn.wood1@virgin.net Carol J. Bell Cannon wrote: > > -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" > > At 10:12 PM 09/10/1999, dawn.wood1@virgin.net wrote: The slashes were > often 'glued' along the edges by using gum arabic or gum tragacanth. Also > as the pinking tools(they weren't scissors but a die you hit with a hammer) > could be used hot this often sealed the edge of the fabric. I've > experimented with both of these and they work > Wow--a die...anyone know of any craftsmen who might be making See earlier reply sent > these? Or, alternately, happen to have handy the recipes for gum > arabic/gum tragacanth? you can buy it at art shops/ herbalists etc they are both resins which you heat to break down. Carol > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 10:53:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28334 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:53:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14421; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:09:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13889 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:05:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com [207.46.181.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13882 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:05:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sharp-9070- - 208.253.11.192 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:04:38 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: The iceman cometh? Re: H-COST: Canadian iceman redux Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:37:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000501befc70$b7ada5e0$c00bfdd0@sharp-9070-> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19990911054314.79478.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" Here's the link for the BC ice man article http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/ar chive/1999/08/25/MN77274.DTL. The comparable find the article discusses is the ice man now in the museum at Balzo, Italy, just north of Venice and just south of the Italian Alps. There was a great Public Broadcasting Station documentary on the Balzo ice man. What hit me about it was how many different people in different disciplines worked on the guy. There were your classic archeologists, of course, but now forensic pathologists, which would be an MD degree, a huge array of biolologists--both botony and wildlife types, textiles experts, metallurgists (he was carrying a soft copper knife), insect-ologists (sorry, can't remember the exact word), refrigeration experts, chemists, carbon-dating types and many more. Except for the forensic pathologist, they were all Masters and PhD types in their fields. The experts were able to determine the time of year he died to a single week or two by identifying the life cycle of insects and seeds caught in his clothing, as well as the seasonal availability of his stomach contents. He was perhaps late 40's in age, old for the time, and his state of health was precarious in several ways, including deformed bones. He carried his own medicines in a pouch at his belt for the ailments which troubled him. His area of origin was traced to Balzo by several means, including the presence of a toxic gaseaous byproduct of copper smelting on his clothes or in his body. It was a huge international team which worked on him, not a single individual. Except for the MD, almost all large universities offer degrees in the other fields. If in total doubt, look for a degree program in your nearest city which offers a full archeology program, preferably extending to the Masters and PhD level, which will mean they are active researchers with international contacts. Opportunities for research like this are made through academic community contacts. The work on the BC iceman will take a number of years if it isn't early disproven that the find is very old. While the find is extraordinary, comparable extraordinary finds are being unearthed around the world, given those in the field plenty to do. Without the degree, you can still research and write and explore your interest as an avocation. Hope H. Dunlap > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On > Behalf Of L.L. Johnson > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 1:43 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: The iceman cometh? Re: H-COST: Canadian iceman redux > > > > -Poster: "L.L. Johnson" > > Hullo Sheridan > > Re your "iceman." > > The San Francisco Chronicle has a article dated Aug 25. It's > in their online > archives. You need to access the site at > > www.sfgate.com > > and find their Aug 25 edition. Article is titled "Ancient Man > Uncovered in > Canadian Ice/Hunter preserved with clothing, tools" The > author is James > Brooke. > > Would dearly love to be involved in the clothing study/reconstruction > research generated by this find. Working on this kind of > stuff has been a > dream of mine since I was a kid, way too long ago to > remember. Wish I knew > who to talk to about getting started in a career in this. Ah well. > Anyway,enjoy the article. > > Lonna (Enyd) > Oakland, CA > > > >From: Sheridan Alder > >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > >To: h-costume@indra.com > >Subject: H-COST: Canadian iceman redux > >Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:57:17 -0500 > > > >Greetings everyone: > > > >I'm kinda late for 09-09-99. An introvert, and damn proud of > it, I only > >post > >when I feel I can make a contribution or pick people's > brains. Besides, > >it's hard enough to wrestle my husband off ebay, (wasting > our hard-earned > >sustenance - it would be cheaper if he drank and ran around with wild > >women), long enough for me read the e-mail. Sigh! I wanted > him to become > >more computer literate, but I created a monster! As well, if I was a > >regular > >participant, members might ask me how the such n' such project was > >going, and I would be forced to admit it has joined the > ranks of my other > >1/4, > >1/2, 3/4, and 99.9% finished projects! Although it appears > as if I'm not > >the > >only > >one who doesn't finish a costume until the morning of an event. > > > >Not long ago someone posted a message regarding news of another > >"iceman" discovered in British Columbia. I'm ashamed to admit that > >I shrugged it off as another internet rumour - after all I'm > Canadian, > >and I haven't heard anything about it! Time went by, and no one on > >the list responded, and there was nothing in the news about it. My > >opinion was confirmed. > > > >Much to my surprise, a recent issue of the American journal "Science" > >had a brief article on the discovery. Unfortunately, idiot > girl galloped > >out the > > > >door ("It's Friday, blessed Friday, yippee!) without her backpack > >containing > >the article. > > > >From memory - the body was discovered August 14th in a glacier in > >northern BC by hikers, and is now in storage in the Yukon > until native > >groups and researchers reach an agreement on how to research it. The > >article suggested it was expected that an amicable agreement could be > >reached, unlike the case of Kennewick (Kessewick?) man, a > controversial > >U.S.find. > > > >The body was reported as wearing a finely woven hat and a > cloak of small > >pelts similar to squirrel or groundhog. A spear thrower was > also found. > >The body could be as old as 10,000 years old or as recent as > the early > >European occupation. > > > >"Science" is published by the American Association for the > Advancement of > >Science, relying on my unreliable memory, and they have a > web page with > >access to a few, but not all, of their articles. > > > >Off-topic - I'm rather annoyed that this has received so > little coverage in > >the > >Canadian media. Sometimes this self-effacing Canadian > attitude goes a > >little > >too far, (speaking as an ardent Canadian nationalist) > especially when it > >involves > >such an interesting find. > > > >Recently there was a book published on Canadian social > attitudes called > >"Sex in the Snow". A catchy title, and I can't help but > wonder if this > >iceman > >didn't meet his end.... > > > >And my apologies to the original poster, who ever you are! I > will never > >doubt > >you > >again. > > > >Sheridan Alder > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ____________________________________________________________ _____ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 10:53:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28338 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:53:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14461; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:10:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13931 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:06:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (IDENT:root@sm0101.promedia.net [209.160.170.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13921 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from j9g8x8 (ppp-209-160-171-87.01.promedia.net [209.160.171.87]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA02918 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:06:05 -0700 Message-ID: <001501befc6f$dfa42ac0$57aba0d1@j9g8x8> From: "Broneske" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: H-Cost: Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:08:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Broneske" Ginnaphure, THANK YOU!! I can't believe it, I was looking on the net last night at every bridal shoe shop I could find and I saw the Peter Fox one, but for some reason I didn't click on it! (am I stupid or what?) It is EXACTLY what I want AND it's on sale!! Now I just have to justify $195 for a pair of shoes to my husband, who will probably never let me buy them anyway! Joan Broneske unicorn@softcom.net @-->---------------- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 11:21:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28866 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:21:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17176; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:37:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16947 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:33:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from boomer.brightok.net (boomer.brightok.net [206.30.97.13]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16941 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:33:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.brightok.net (springer1p44.cld.brightok.net [206.30.113.44]) by boomer.brightok.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28189 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:33:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37DA86CC.F3989D72@mail.brightok.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:43:57 -0500 From: The Mulders X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re:Boring clothes References: <001501befc6f$dfa42ac0$57aba0d1@j9g8x8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: The Mulders Talk about boring .... I have to wear an uniform with badge and smoky bear hat! When I'm on the ranch it is cotton and comfort. Personal business wear is bright and flowing, always dresses, with lots of jewelry. I have very long and curly hair. I've followed all threads on long heavy hair. I do turn of the century programs so the hair is braided and up. Has anyone heard the old "proper" way to wear hair when coming of age? Is it the age of 16 when a girl can wear her hair up or age 14? Ninya _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 11:29:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28885 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:29:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17967; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:45:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17753 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:41:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17746 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p14.directcon.net [206.170.184.63]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21346 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909111639.JAA21346@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Boring clothes? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson I confess! In my everyday life, I wear shorts and T-shirts , denim dresses, sweats, and jeans, depending on the season. I figure I'm doing well if I manage to come up with clothes that aren't bleach spotted or torn. This is largely due to poverty, living in the middle of nowhere and having young, clothing destructive children, but I'm trying to get over it. Now that I'm teaching costume and trying to drum up business, it's embarrassing to be standing at the fabric store representing myself as an authority when I'm dressed in rags. When I actually make an effort to get dressed up a bit, I tend to comfortable pants or skirts and loose tops, often in black or neutral colors, and accesorized with interesting bead jewelry and jewel toned accesories. I call this my "arsty look". My favorite piece of clothing is a vest I made of black cotton, with a patchwork collage on the front made from sample swatches of bright prints from Thai Silks. Having been a teenager in the 70's, I feel that I've already done my time, and I don't wear high heels except for very formal occasions. Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 13:08:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29428 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:08:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24929; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:24:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29593 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:21:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f263.hotmail.com [207.82.251.154]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA29587 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 6224 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1999 18:21:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19990911182123.6223.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 166.90.37.215 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:21:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [166.90.37.215] From: "L.L. Johnson" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Source for gemstone bead buttons/Soft lining for leather "cote" Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:21:23 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "L.L. Johnson" Hi Kat -Poster: Kat & Kent I wish I could afford lapis buttons but I'm more likely to >grommet this so that it has more 'ease' or use 'buttonholes'. IOW it >will lace not button. Now that I think a bit more about it, in this case, lacing would work better and it would save wear and tear on the fingertips from sewing on the buttons. But, if you do decide that you'd like to use gem bead buttons on another project, FireMountain Gems is a very good source. These folks used to have a store in LA back in the 70's but now they're up in Cave Junction, OR. You can find them on the Web under FireMountain Gems. This site is mostly a place to order one of their catalogs. Their phone number is (800)292-9304. They are an excellent company and have decent prices. They have a lot of other neat stuff for beadworkers, jewelers, and costumers. I found a 16" strand of Howlite (dyed Lapis) 10mm beads (about 41 beads) for $6.83 per strand (If you buy more than 3, there is a proportional discount). They also have a 12mm (34 beads) for $9.82. Their regular lapis runs from $14.95 (for 4mm) to $29.95 (for 8mm). I got some good deals on peridot, garnet, and amber bits for my 20's silk and velvet dress and coccoon coat (almost have everything I need to start building it). If I manage to get a pic of it once it's done and actually get it developed, I'll scan it and put it up somewhere. Great. Am looking forward to seeing it. Lonna (Enyd) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 13:40:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29483 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:40:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29049; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:56:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03337 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:54:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sd.znet.com (sd.znet.com [207.167.64.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03327 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.167.66.78] (sdts11-123.znet.net [207.167.66.123]) by sd.znet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/jjb-sd) with ESMTP id LAA25699 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:53:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: savaskan@sd.znet.com X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19990910172058.006c3710@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:50:39 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Julie Adams Subject: Re: H-COST: Finishing on Slashed Edges Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Julie Adams >> My heart sunk with dread when I realized the long "ribbon" type slashes, >> seen in German, Swiss, landsknecht, and women's mid-17th c. sleeves >> do appear to be lined and finished on the edges. (Too much work!) There are woodcuts of some soldiers with ribbon type slashes that are unlined, but it only works for a decently heavy leather or heavy felted wool. Most of the other fancy or thinner fabrics are lined. If the ribbon slashes done't have enough body they just look wrong, they will twist and crinkle individually. Julie Adams _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 13:49:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29514 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:49:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29674; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:05:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04398 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:02:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04380 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:02:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06474 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-190.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.190]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00613 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004001befc89$36e74d80$8bd5fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Boring clothes? Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:09:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday >life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a >fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? > >--Katharine Whisler I wear natural fibers, cottons and some rayons. I wont wear polyester or other synthetics. I only wear leather shoes, usually hicking boots. I can count every pair of shoes I own on one hand. I have 3 children and go to college full time. There is no going out to a nice place...it just doesn't happen. So...I wear jeans, sweats, t-shirts in the winter and long A-line dresses in the summer. The most work I do on laundry day, is hanging something to dry. I wont buy something that is dry clean only. Sometimes I drool at what others are wearing, the latest thing, and then I realize that by the time I would have a chance to wear it, it would be out of style. Classic styles are better. I guess, I would have to be classified under the boring clothes side. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 13:51:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29520 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:51:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29863; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04625 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:04:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA04619 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990911190745.20500.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.250.3.244] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:07:45 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:07:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Toney Subject: H-COST: Lacing w/o a maid: was:Simplicity Italian Ren Pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sarah Toney This brings up a good question... I have a great corset that I would *love* to wear more often, but the only one around to help me lace it is my boyfriend who won't do it... any suggestions on how to lace it by yourself? Sarah > I ever have before. I > decided on side lacings, too, since, alas, I have no > 'tiring maid, nor > beloved who might aid me to lace otherwise. -- > Gra/inne > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 13:58:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29532 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:58:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00808; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05681 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:12:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.wireweb.net (mail.wireweb.net [216.3.229.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05662 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:12:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail.wireweb.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:10:38 -0500 Received: by mail.wireweb.net from dragonlair (216.3.231.103::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V3.2); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:10:36 -0500 Message-ID: <37DAAA76.6969@wireweb.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:16:06 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing w/o a maid: References: <19990911190745.20500.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SLUIDL: 0C51CEDF-681811D3-BB370040-33537EE5 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Alexandria Doyle" Sarah Toney wrote: > > -Poster: Sarah Toney > > This brings up a good question... I have a great > corset that I would *love* to wear more often, but the > only one around to help me lace it is my boyfriend who > won't do it... any suggestions on how to lace it by > yourself? > Make your lace really, really long. Loosely lace the corset while not wearing it, slide it on over your head and then start pulling on the laces until you have it as tight as you wish. This does leave a lot of extra lace when you have it done up so I tie big loopy bows and tuck inside as needed. Alexandria _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 14:22:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29567 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:22:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03103; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:38:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08375 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:36:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08369 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:36:11 -0600 (MDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6GPV0PDCWv (4368) for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <860d7ce8.250c0916@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:35:50 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com In a message dated 9/10/1999 21:29:38 Pacific Daylight Time, KWHISLER@kentlaw.edu writes: << So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? >> That's an interesting question. I think that the more into the history of fashion, and the elaborate intricacies of costume I get, the less anything but simple modern clothing appeals to me (on a day to day basis). Since surgery a few years ago, I've begun to dress down (pants rather than skirts/suits at work) and affect a more casual daily mode of dress. I still go "all out" at any opportunity to dress up, but it is no longer a part of my routine to constantly sport the latest fashion, and I've always been a clothes horse. I think that it is a cost issue, meaning I'd rather have half a dozen really really spectacular period pieces and boring daily clothes. Fellow listers? angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Costumes & Custom Clothing Theatrical Costume Design "If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumbered here, while these visions did appear." A Midsummer Night's Dream; V, ii - W. Shakespeare QUICK-LINK: http://come.to/costumes FULL URL: http://sj.znet.com/~thespian/angil/index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 14:24:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29571 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:24:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03206; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:40:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08563 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:38:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08555 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:38:13 -0600 (MDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6BWGa13741 (4368); Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2b6772a9.250c0982@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:37:38 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: re-pinking To: h-costume@indra.com, grnmanforge@earthlink.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com In a message dated 9/10/1999 17:51:35 Pacific Daylight Time, cjcannon@greymists.com writes: << Wow--a die...anyone know of any craftsmen who might be making these? Or, alternately, happen to have handy the recipes for gum arabic/gum tragacanth? Carol >> Carol, contact Dan at grnmanforge@earthlink.net, he makes marvelous pinking tools, and his wife is a member of this list. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Costumes & Custom Clothing Theatrical Costume Design "Be not afraid of greatness; some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them." Twelfth-Night, II, v - W. Shakespeare QUICK-LINK: http://come.to/costumes FULL URL: http://sj.znet.com/~thespian/angil/index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 14:29:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29582 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:29:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03566; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:45:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09155 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:43:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09150 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:43:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.181] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11Pt3B-00028D-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:43:05 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:41:16 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Boring clothes? In-Reply-To: References: <199909110445.WAA16605@net.indra.com> <199909110445.WAA16605@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" I cannot afford designer clothes, nor anything approaching such. I am not a seamstress, truly. I sew at a basic level. I mostly wear comfortable clothes that are not excessive for work and most other daily happenings. If I find them in my favorite colors, I will buy & wear those--which are: deep true blue, royal purple [blue-toned, not red-toned], deep teal [blue or green], emerald green. I won't wear 'muddy' colors. Most reds, pinks, oranges, and yellows do not suit my very pale complexion/ruddy cheeks/red hair. I don't wear most of those, either, therefore. Bittersweet is fine. I love the feel of silk, cashmere, and other costly fabrics, but cannot indulge the taste often. I like flowy, drapy skirts, dresses and nightgowns. I don't wear tight, constricting anything, by preference. I am still experimenting to find my niche in Medieval attire. I like Empire-waisted dresses in part because of the way they move. There are other periods with which I might experiment had I outlets for them, but I have not been able to justify to myself the cost of robing myself from those periods w/o that. :-) And now, you know more about me than most of the people around me do, in terms of what I like.--Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 14:56:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30172 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:56:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06126; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:12:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12120 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:10:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12109 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:09:59 -0600 (MDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6NEOa23990 (4354) for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:09:18 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing w/o a maid: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Cheryldee@aol.com In a message dated 9/11/99 1:13:52 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dragonlair@wireweb.net writes: << any suggestions on how to lace it by > yourself? >> There is also a hooking busk which hooks down the front available at corset supply houses. Cheryl _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 14:56:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30178 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:56:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06233; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12195 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:10:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12184 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:10:46 -0600 (MDT) From: MissMela@aol.com Received: from MissMela@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6CBYN0Mqq_ (4240) for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:10:12 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: MissMela@aol.com In a message dated 9/11/1999 12:37:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, MzScahlett@aol.com writes: << So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? > >> As a designer for the entertainment industry and a full time college instructor, I have to be very presentable everyday, stand out enough to be noticed but not too much. Until recently, my entire wardrobe for fall/winter was black with a small amount of white while spring/summer was beige with white. Last year I finally discovered color and now my spring/summer clothes are reds and greens! What a change. I still have to wear heels and hose even though my heart is in flats. I feel like I lived out of the J.Peterman catalog for the last six or seven years, but as it is no longer available, I am looking for a new source of clothing supply. I don't have time to sew for myself! Basically Donna Karan and Anna Sui are the designers I gravitate to at this point in time and being in the Los Angeles area, am able to get their clothes at a decent price. I guess location plays a big part of what types of clothes are available along with what one must wear for ones job. Miss Mela PS Hi Penny! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 15:38:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30327 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:38:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09010; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16611 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:51:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.pa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com [24.2.5.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16606 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:51:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kjroom ([24.40.39.20]) by mail.rdc1.pa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990911205135.SSRG24110.mail.rdc1.pa.home.com@kjroom> for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:51:35 -0700 From: "Kristen Gee" To: Subject: H-COST: Tied on sleeves for Elizabethan? Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:51:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000901befc97$735fc4f0$0600a8c0@kjroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Disposition-Notification-To: "Kristen Gee" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Kristen Gee" Hi, I've been lurking for a while and am very impressed by how knowlegeable people are... Anyhow, I am making a elizabethan upper-middle-class costume for a ren. faire, and I wanted to know if tied-on sleeves were appropriate for English fashion at that time? I am a little confused about sleeves in general, too. Thank you! Kristen Kristen Gee kristen.gee@linkpa.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 15:51:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30341 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:51:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09914; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:07:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18108 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:04:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f76.hotmail.com [207.82.250.182]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA18097 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 7073 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1999 21:03:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19990911210341.7072.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.156.3.64 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:03:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.156.3.64] From: "Susannah Eanes" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/18C stays and shoulder straps Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:03:41 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susannah Eanes" I buy my reed from Michael's, which is a craft store chain. I do not have a mail order source; sorry! To the lady who was disappointed over reed that cracked... you do have to wax the reed first, before inserting it. This helps to strengthen it, make it more pliable, and preserves it. You can really feel the difference after the reed is waxed; it feels pretty puny actually before the waxing. And I usually have to replace a reed or two a year in my 18th c. fully boned corset. I used the 1/2" flat reed, and it *is* usually the reed on one of the sides that breaks, near the waist. I am smaller than most, and when making a corset for very strong/very mobile or larger women, always use the 5/8" wide reed, and on the seams, either reinforce ALL my corsets with steels, or a combination of steels and the half-round reeds. I store my corsets along with my other re-enacting garb in trunks either in my bedroom or another part of the house that stays pretty constant in temperature and humidity throughout the year. It helps. Susannah "We are only the trustees for those who come after us." --William Morris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 16:04:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30365 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:04:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11072; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:20:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19680 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:17:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19673 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:17:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.142]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA24335 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37DAC791.7ADB10F@mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:20:17 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Pattern for 20's-30's tux? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Janice Dallas A friend of mine is looking for a pattern for men's 20's-30's tuxedos. She has friends in a band that plays the music of these periods. Does anyone know of any patterns out there. My husband has a 30's tux that he inherited and fits him, so I know some of the design differences to tell her. Anyone done one of these with a bought pattern? -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 16:54:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30964 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:54:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15317; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:10:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24991 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:08:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24986 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:08:17 -0600 (MDT) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id EK93GKTL; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:07:18 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:01:06 -0500 Subject: Re: H-COST: Tied on sleeves for Elizabethan? Message-ID: <19990911.170124.-375991.0.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-7,12-17,19-23,25-26,28-38 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com Yes, detachable sleeves are appropriate for English Elizabethan middle-class. They weren't neccessarily tied in with individual ties as many reproductions are, they were often laced in with a strip of lacing holes under the shoulder of the bodice and along the edge of the sleeve. The early Elizabethan 'mahoitered' style of sleeve doesn't seem to be laced in, they seem to have been sewn in, although the tighter lower sleeves may have laced in seperately. Would it help to think of them as a separate piece of clothing, like a hat or scarf? Changing one's sleeves was a good way to alter the look of a gown without the trouble and expense of making a large and expensive pieces. Are you confused by the different styles? How they were constructed? What materials are appropriate? Oh yeah, and which RenFaire are you going to be doing? Karen On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:51:40 -0400 "Kristen Gee" writes: > > -Poster: "Kristen Gee" > > Hi, I've been lurking for a while and am very impressed by > how knowlegeable people are... Anyhow, I am making a elizabethan upper-middle-class > costume for a ren. faire, and I wanted to know if tied-on sleeves were > appropriate for English fashion at that time? I am a little confused about > sleeves in general, too. > Thank you! > Kristen > > Kristen Gee > kristen.gee@linkpa.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 17:22:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31016 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:22:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18624; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28664 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:36:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA28656 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by shared1-mail.whowhere.com; Sat Sep 11 15:36:00 1999 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:36:00 -0700 From: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Boring clothes? X-Sender-Ip: 199.44.36.132 Organization: email.women.com (http://www.emailwomen.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:41:16 Carol J. Bell Cannon wrote: > >-Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" > > I cannot afford designer clothes, nor anything approaching such. I know, last time I went looking for a dress in an actual department store I nearly passed out. We have a store here called Ross, which sells overstock and buyout (like bankrupcy sales) from other stores. They usually have very nice clothes (some in actual designer names but, I mean it's more the look and feel of the clothes I think that's important than what te tag says) , so I shop there alot. They will tend to have that "item" you see on TV and can't find elsewhere. I like to take the pieces I see and blend them as part of my own style. I'm no high fashion mavin, I lack the body and the time to deal with all the prep work involved in being vogue. LOL. I just like dressing unique and it seems mostly the people here wear jeans and ambercrombie and fitch or old navy and I'm sorry, but I'm not going to spend thirty dollars on a t shirt to advertise a chain store that doesn't need my help in the first place. lol. I find actually some of the pretiest things I own were fairly chea! p and made by little "no name" comppanies. PS. You have red hair? I bet it's beautiful! I always wanted red hair but instead my hair is dark chocolate brown... I envy you. :) Ginn Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 17:30:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31044 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:30:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19229; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:46:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29422 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:44:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29416 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by shared1-mail.whowhere.com; Sat Sep 11 15:43:28 1999 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:43:28 -0700 From: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: H-COST: Boring clothes? X-Sender-Ip: 199.44.36.132 Organization: email.women.com (http://www.emailwomen.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" I am 5 ft 3 so I wear the heels for height mostly, I also tend to go for more of a cube heel or a wedge so it's not hard to walk in them, I"m definately not a stilleto person to say the least! lol --- Ginnaphure ICQ# 41340093 "Last time we mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the stake." >Having been a teenager in the 70's, I feel that I've already done my time, >and I don't wear high heels except for very formal occasions. > >Margo > Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 17:55:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31090 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:55:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21352; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:11:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02261 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:08:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.pa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.pa.home.com [24.2.5.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02250 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:08:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kjroom ([24.40.39.20]) by mail.rdc1.pa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990911230847.TISP24110.mail.rdc1.pa.home.com@kjroom> for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:08:47 -0700 From: "Kristen Gee" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Tied on sleeves for Elizabethan? Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:08:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01befcaa$9e829370$0600a8c0@kjroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990911.170124.-375991.0.seamstrix@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Kristen Gee" I think that my confusion about sleeves is mostly style-based. I've heard of 'french sleeves' and I've seen lots of different things in paintings of that time period, but there never seems to be one 'standard sleeve'. Is that because there were a lot of different styles? Or were sleeve styles 'trendy' and change frequently? That's my issue of confusion. I am going to the Pennsylvania RenFaire in Mt. Hope, PA. I am making the costume for a high school costume competition (I'm in high school) Kristen ------------------------------ -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com Yes, detachable sleeves are appropriate for English Elizabethan middle-class. They weren't neccessarily tied in with individual ties as many reproductions are, they were often laced in with a strip of lacing holes under the shoulder of the bodice and along the edge of the sleeve. The early Elizabethan 'mahoitered' style of sleeve doesn't seem to be laced in, they seem to have been sewn in, although the tighter lower sleeves may have laced in seperately. Would it help to think of them as a separate piece of clothing, like a hat or scarf? Changing one's sleeves was a good way to alter the look of a gown without the trouble and expense of making a large and expensive pieces. Are you confused by the different styles? How they were constructed? What materials are appropriate? Oh yeah, and which RenFaire are you going to be doing? Karen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 18:37:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31708 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:37:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27177; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07515 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:50:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snip.net (mail.snip.net [209.204.64.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07508 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ouppc [209.204.81.54] by snip.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A9AD238F00B6; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:45:49 -0400 Message-ID: <004d01befcb0$56e8e5e0$3651ccd1@ouppc> From: "Vince Lyons" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: Boring clothes? Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:49:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Vince Lyons" ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 12:26 AM > -Poster: KATHARINE WHISLER > > So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday > life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a > fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? > What a fun thread! I guess you might say that I employ a sort of historical flair in my everyday dress. My favourite time in fashion history is the Edwardian era, followed closely by the Regency period. I love the empire waistlines common to both, they're so flattering, especially to a mom of 4 with a little "kangaroo pouch" left over from the pregnancies. ;-) You can nearly always find me running about in a dress with a raised waistline and an ankle-length skirt. I'm actually much more comfortable dressed this way than when wearing jeans or any sort of pants. Since I'm 5' 1" my dresses often brush the floor a bit which is just fine with me. (I'm sure my neighbours are beginning to question whether or not I actually have feet! lol.) I do tend to stay basic in my colour choice though, I'm a redhead too so my wardrobe is mostly taupe, cream, hunter and black. I cried when J. Peterman went out of business! I often matched wearable vintage separates with Peterman "retros". I'm getting the definite impression that J. Peterman isn't going to be what it used to be under the direction of Paul Harris. As for footwear, I've a few pairs of 1900's shoes that I wear (they're so beautifully made they'll probably hold up for another hundred years!) some modern-day copies and several pairs of ballet slippers. And when I go formal I love wearing either authentic vintage gowns or recreations. It's a great way to get conversations going at parties as the dresses never fail to attract some admirers. Enjoying all the posts, Kerrie, who was born to the wrong era. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 18:39:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31712 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:39:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27370; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07832 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:53:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07826 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:53:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p5.directcon.net [206.170.184.104]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26145 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909112351.QAA26145@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Tied on sleeves for Elizabethan? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson At 04:51 PM 09/11/1999 -0400, you wrote: > >-Poster: "Kristen Gee" > > Hi, I've been lurking for a while and am very impressed by how knowlegeable >people are... Anyhow, I am making a elizabethan upper-middle-class costume >for a ren. faire, and I wanted to know if tied-on sleeves were appropriate >for English fashion at that time? Yes, absolutely, of course! Tie-on sleeves are very period. You say you're confused about sleeves in general, could you be a bit more specific? Margo Anderson "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 18:42:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31719 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:42:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27555; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:57:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08060 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:55:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08052 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:55:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p5.directcon.net [206.170.184.104]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26300 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909112354.QAA26300@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Tied on sleeves for Elizabethan? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson >The early Elizabethan 'mahoitered' style of sleeve I've never heard this term. What is a mahoitered sleeve? margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 19:25:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31753 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:25:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00257; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:40:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12221 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:38:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12214 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:38:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-61-83.s83.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.83]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA28678 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008b01befcb6$c408a1a0$3b56accf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:34:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" If Mela was taller or if I was shorter, we could be sisters, straight, long, red hair. I dress on the artsy side, never a black jacket for me! I dress differently for every occassion, at home, I am very casual, t-shirts and shorts. I like to keep people guessing as to what kind of work, I really do, by changing my appearance. I can dress like a ballet dancer, hippie, wearable art, vintage, soft/fluffy, or very artsy and colorful, but never boring. I like to name my outfits after "the look" they project. I shop frequently at the thrift stores and put together pieces that people would not normally put together. I never pay retail, except for shoes and undergarments, and then I go to the discount houses. I have a pet peeve about paying the retailers' LARGE markup. As for colors... well, you all know I LOVE color, so I wear every color but green and orange. I can wear either soft or loud colors. For accessories, I have gone through phases in "my looks". For a couple of years I was into jewelry and bangles, now I rarely wear jewelry. When I do, it is usually vintage. For a while, I was into lots of shoes, now I'm into hats with long scarves tied onto them. Heck, I even have a veil from Egyptian that I never wear the same way twice. The veil is really neat with all these bangleily coins and people trying to figure out where the jingling is coming from. For those who got the last CSA newletter or the last national symposium, you know what I dress like. Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 19:28:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31769 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:28:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00708; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:44:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12559 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:41:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12541 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:41:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bragg (bragg [129.127.36.34]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id KAA16603 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:11:44 +0930 (CST) Received: by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA11651; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:11:44 +0930 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:11:44 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@bragg To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Boring clothes? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, KATHARINE WHISLER wrote: > > So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday > life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a > fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? > Hmmmm...let me put it this way...someone once told me I dressed more like an arts student than a science student. I don't buy new clothes often because I tend to look at stuff and think - I could make that for much cheaper. Of course I rarely do, although some of my stash is set aside for making 'mundane' clothes. Most of my new clothes come from the Community Aid Abroad shop. I tend to wear things until they are falling apart (and then my husband throws them out else I'd keep wearing them *grin*) I wear skirts a lot - either very long or very short. As far as shoes go I wear boots with 2" heels or flat sandals or none at all, though I do have a couple of pairs of dress shoes that don't see light of day much. Recently I've been making Edwardian style outfits for special occasions (weddings etc), and as anyone will tell you I'd much rather be wearing garb. You'll know the day I really stop caring what other people think because then I'll just be wearing it all the time. :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 19:32:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31784 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:32:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01029; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:48:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13020 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:46:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13014 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:46:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.187] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11PxmZ-0006WN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:46:16 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:44:27 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: H-COST: Historical Dress-making/Tailoring Terms Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" It was Kristin's post re: Elizabethan sleeves and the responses to it that brought on this from Me: Is there a really good on-line source for these? I've been seeing so many mentions of terms I don't understand. It would be fabulous to have such a resource bookmarked! But if not, is there a resource book that you'd recommend for those and other historical costuming terminology that one may require to look up in order to understand what the discussion is about? Thank you for your suggestions--Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 19:40:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31798 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:40:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01756; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:56:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13677 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:54:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snip.net (mail.snip.net [209.204.64.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13667 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ouppc [209.204.83.163] by snip.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A8BA235000DC; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:50:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000901befcb9$4f5b85e0$a353ccd1@ouppc> From: "Vince Lyons" To: References: <008b01befcb6$c408a1a0$3b56accf@e4c2n6> Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:54:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Vince Lyons" ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 8:34 PM > -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > > If Mela was taller or if I was shorter, we could be sisters, straight, long, > red hair. > Whee! Fellow "fireys" (my brother's "pet" name for me, from the movie Labyrinth) ! I think several of the folks on this list have mentioned having red hair. I wonder if there's a link between follicle pigmentation and a passion for historical costume. Kerrie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 19:48:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31807 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:48:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02239; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:03:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14488 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:01:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14475 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:01:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([208.255.165.145]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990912010101.OQLG24367@worldnet.att.net> for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:01:01 +0000 Message-ID: <37DAF904.967D449C@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:51:16 -0700 From: Carolyn Richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing w/o a maid: References: <19990911190745.20500.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> <37DAAA76.6969@wireweb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carolyn Richardson Alexandria Doyle wrote: > Make your lace really, really long. Loosely lace the corset while not > wearing it, slide it on over your head and then start pulling on the > laces until you have it as tight as you wish. This does leave a lot of > extra lace when you have it done up so I tie big loopy bows and tuck > inside as needed. I also do this, although it depends on *which* corset I'm wearing as to how long i make the ties. My Italian Ren corset actually has pretty short laces on it because I can get it over my head even on a short leash. Can't do that with the Victorian, though. You can also tie long laces around your waist if they're long enough. Carolyn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 19:49:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31820 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:49:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02327; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:05:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14653 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:03:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14645 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:03:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([208.255.165.145]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990912010249.ORGP24367@worldnet.att.net> for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:02:49 +0000 Message-ID: <37DAF970.7F6F8D90@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:53:05 -0700 From: Carolyn Richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing w/o a maid: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carolyn Richardson Cheryldee@aol.com wrote: > -Poster: Cheryldee@aol.com > > In a message dated 9/11/99 1:13:52 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > dragonlair@wireweb.net writes: > > << any suggestions on how to lace it by > > yourself? >> > There is also a hooking busk which hooks down the front available at corset > supply houses. Cheryl The problem I have with the hooking busk in the front is that I have to loosen the laces in the back to actually hook it. I can't hook them if it's completely tied in back. So I leave the laces tied but at their maximum length so I can separate the back and get the hooks fastened. Carolyn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 19:59:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31855 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:59:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02943; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:15:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15586 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:12:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15234; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-61-83.s83.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.83]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA05718; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00a501befcbb$1ad679e0$3b56accf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Cc: "h-needlework" , "Vintage" , "Fantasy" , "WearableArt" , "Costume DC" Subject: H-COST: Call for Papers and Study Tour Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:06:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I am sorry about the mass posting, but I wanted all of you to know... The Costume Society of America's National Symposium, "Fashions Lost and Found, or Survival of the Fittest" will be in Williamsburg and Richmond, Virginia, May 31-June 3, 2000, http://www.costumesocietyamerica.com/natsym.htm . The symposium will include Colonial Williamsburg, behind-the-scenes at the Valentine Museum, and the Maymont House (aka Dooley Mansion). Currently, there is a Call for Papers for this symposium with a deadline of Oct. 15, 1999. These papers can cover any part of our industry, from historic to wearable art fashions. I have added to the website, an agenda webpage on the pre and post symposium study tours. The pre-symposium tour will include Monticello (home of Thomas Jefferson), Sherwood Forest (home of John Tyler). The post syposium tour will include, Yorktown, Jamestown, Kenmore Plantation, Stratford Hall (Robert E. Lee's family home), and Gunston Hall. A symposium schedule of events and registration information will be posted to the website in January or February, 2000. So please bookmark this webpage. Penny Ladnier Webmaster, Costume Society of America http://www.costumesocietyamerica.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 20:01:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31895 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:01:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03229; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:17:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15956 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:15:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.vci.net (smtp.vci.net [207.162.160.12]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15949 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:15:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vci.net (pah-c1-243.vci.net [207.162.162.243] (may be forged)) by smtp.vci.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27314 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:15:36 -0500 Message-ID: <37DAFF5B.99B68F22@vci.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:18:20 -0500 From: "schuck@vci.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-FR,de,ru,es-AR,sv MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: wool question References: <199909110445.WAA16605@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "schuck@vci.net" Forgive me if this has been asked before, I'm fairly new to this list. How is wool fabric fulled? jb <<>> _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 20:03:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31903 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:03:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03325; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:19:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16085 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:16:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16076 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p15.directcon.net [206.170.184.64]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA03301 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909120115.SAA03301@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing w/o a maid: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson I lace into a Victorian corset by myself this way: First, I use 1/4" satin ribbon for lacing. It slide easily, and is very, very, strong. I use a lace about 3' longer than the laced portion, laced so that there are loops at the waist on each side. I put it on over my head and hook the loops over the handle of my patio door, then slowly walk away, and the lace pulls tight as I walk. Reach behind, unhook the loops, and tie them in a large bow and tuck the hanging bits inside the lacing. Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 20:05:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31914 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:05:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03552; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:21:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16276 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:19:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16264 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-61-83.s83.tnt1.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.61.83]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA08014 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00b701befcbc$7210afe0$3b56accf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <008b01befcb6$c408a1a0$3b56accf@e4c2n6> <000901befcb9$4f5b85e0$a353ccd1@ouppc> Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:16:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > Whee! Fellow "fireys" (my brother's "pet" name for me, from the movie > Labyrinth) ! I think several of the folks on this list have mentioned > having red hair. I wonder if there's a link between follicle pigmentation > and a passion for historical costume. My red hair comes from a bottle, but I can claim my gray hairs came from taking too many historic costume classes and five hour exams!!!! LOL. Maybe, Mela's red hair came from teaching historic costume. No... Mela was not my professor, just a wonderful person I met on this list. Really, I have always wanted long red hair since second grade. Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 20:12:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32373 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:12:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04518; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:28:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17004 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:26:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us ([199.173.91.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16998 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bchamber (dial-in168 [199.173.93.168]) by mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA04040 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <052501befcbd$ca5773e0$a85dadc7@bchamber> From: "Beth" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: Boring clothes? Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:25:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Beth" > So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday > life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a > fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? I worked through de-lurking day so I guess I'll de-lurk now. One (one of a long list) of the reasons I sew is because I usually can't stand about 95% of whatever the current fashions of the day are. A fair portion of my wardrobe is very basic - at first glance. At second glance anyone who cares to see it will realize all of my skirts are to my ankles. My mother swears I'm a flower child except that most of the fabrics and styles are more Victorian. I also tend to incorporate historic details - puffed sleeves, ribbon embroidery, high collars, contrast inserts - to simulate slashing, or anything else I can think up (and find the time to make). I also have a "thing" for mixing old and new. Several years ago I made a georgette dress from a Donna Karan pattern - the dress is unlined I and wear a unitard under it - funky and modern except that the fabric is a pretty kind of Victorian floral print. "Granny" boots became a signature item way back in high school - they were perfect with the Gunny Sack dresses I was knocking off as every day clothes. But then my taste in clothing is not the only part of my personality which appears normal - at first glance... Beth - who needs to get back to stitching many little ribbon flowers onto a vest. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 20:16:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32380 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:16:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04853; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:32:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17426 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:30:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from viper.columbus.rr.com (viper.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.254]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17417 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:30:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc.columbus.rr.com (dhcp31161186.columbus.rr.com [24.31.161.186]) by viper.columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA03882 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <026201befcbe$9b8011c0$baa11f18@dsc.columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:31:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >My red hair comes from a bottle, but I can claim my gray hairs came from >taking too many historic costume classes and five hour exams!!!! LOL. I've got red-hair-from-a-bottle, too, although my natural hair color is a rich brown which used to get red highlights in the summer. Now it's just a nice deep auburny color, and those pesky grey hairs stay hidden, too! (I've really only been noticing those for about a year--coincidentally, I finished my PhD during that year :-) Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 20:22:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32389 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:22:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05337; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:38:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18052 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:36:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from viper.columbus.rr.com (viper.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.254]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18045 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:36:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc.columbus.rr.com (dhcp31161186.columbus.rr.com [24.31.161.186]) by viper.columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA04320 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <026701befcbf$717b1f40$baa11f18@dsc.columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Boring clothes? Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:37:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >> So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday >> life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a >> fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? > >I worked through de-lurking day so I guess I'll de-lurk now. One (one of a >long list) of the reasons I sew is because I usually can't stand about 95% >of whatever the current fashions of the day are. That sounds like me. I like jewel tone colors and black during the whole season, not just in the winter, and I tend to like specific styles which aren't always available--things like mandarin colors and oriental-style fastenings, longer skirts, etc. And I love unusual fabrics (well, unusual to find off the rack in stores) like brocades and silks. I have a deep electric purple dupionni silk shirt/jacket I made about four years ago that gets me raves every time I wear it to work (I've got to find that pattern again!). Although most of my wardrobe is fairly conservative office wear, I often wear historic jewelery to accessorize it. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 20:52:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32414 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:52:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08154; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:07:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20892 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:05:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from boomer.brightok.net (boomer.brightok.net [206.30.97.13]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20878 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.brightok.net (springer1p44.cld.brightok.net [206.30.113.44]) by boomer.brightok.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10431 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:05:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37DB0CC8.798F424E@mail.brightok.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:15:37 -0500 From: The Mulders X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes References: <008b01befcb6$c408a1a0$3b56accf@e4c2n6> <000901befcb9$4f5b85e0$a353ccd1@ouppc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: The Mulders Weird, I also have red hair. Could be we are just more proud of it so we include it in a description? Vince Lyons wrote: > -Poster: "Vince Lyons" > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 8:34 PM > > -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > > > > If Mela was taller or if I was shorter, we could be sisters, straight, > long, > > red hair. > > > Whee! Fellow "fireys" (my brother's "pet" name for me, from the movie > Labyrinth) ! I think several of the folks on this list have mentioned > having red hair. I wonder if there's a link between follicle pigmentation > and a passion for historical costume. > > Kerrie > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 21:20:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32432 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:20:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10259; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:36:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23456 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:34:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23449 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990912023413.EFJW16271.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:34:13 -0700 Message-ID: <37DB1106.D3EEAF6A@home.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:33:42 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Boring clothes? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kat & Kent KATHARINE WHISLER wrote: > > So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your > everyday life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a > fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? I wear primarily jeans or shorts & shirts...we have a Goodwill warehouse in town where they take all the clothes that don't sell so I go and buy linen, cotton & silk items for $1.27 a pound...amazing how much silk it takes for a pound! I also use this resource for some costuming (bought a bunch of stuff there over the summer for this fall's production of 'Inherit the Wind'). For dressy I tend to wear more modern versions of a cotehardie or short skirts & tights & the silk or linen shirts. When I go to the plays I wear the same shirts with cotton or linen pants (have to be more conservative because it's a high school! ). I have very, very, very bad knees (one reason I'm a stay at home mom) and *always* wear flats...unfortunately my feet have shrunk back after having my son and my last two pair of thigh high suede boots don't fit anymore (not that it bothered my dh who tried them on and discovered with a wee bit of stretching at the little toe they would fit *him*!). So it's time to hit Nolensville Road again once I have some more money (a stretch in Nashville that includes 7 thrift or consignment stores and one of the Hancock Fabrics!) . I didn't pay more than $25 for any of my boots and don't plan to pay more for 'new' ones! I've been known to wear garb out and about as well as around the house. Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 21:25:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32436 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:25:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10584; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:41:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23867 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:38:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23860 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:38:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990912023845.EGLQ16271.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:38:45 -0700 Message-ID: <37DB1216.DD6A57E9@home.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:38:14 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes References: <026201befcbe$9b8011c0$baa11f18@dsc.columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kat & Kent Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > > I've got red-hair-from-a-bottle, too, although my natural hair color > is a rich brown which used to get red highlights in the summer. Now > it's just a nice deep auburny color, and those pesky grey hairs stay > hidden, too! (I've really only been noticing those for about a > year--coincidentally, I finished my PhD during that year :-) My gray hair comes from children (I left grad school because my biological clock went atomic). My natural color is a light auburn and I color it to make it more like the red it was when I was young. I had bright red hair and blue eyes until I was three when my eyes turned green and my hair a deeper red...then when we moved to Nashville when I was 9 my eyes turned brown and my hair went auburn. Kat wondering if we can get a large enough population to 'prove' the redhead/costumer theory! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 21:28:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32444 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:28:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10954; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:44:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24309 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:42:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from alchemyweb.greateralchemy.net ([209.186.228.137]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA24295 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:42:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ELEMENTAL (unverified [209.30.225.181]) by alchemyweb.greateralchemy.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:52:02 -0500 Received: by ELEMENTAL with Microsoft Mail id <01BEFC9E.4CA88F20@ELEMENTAL>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:40:43 -0500 Message-ID: <01BEFC9E.4CA88F20@ELEMENTAL> From: Carrie Veenstra To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:36:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BEFC9E.4CA88F20" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carrie Veenstra ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEFC9E.4CA88F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kerrie -- add me to the list of redheads.. and until now I've never met a redhead = with such a similar name! Maybe it's the fair skin that directs our interest in times when such = was really a fashion asset (as opposed to the more recent era of tanned = skin) Carrie -----Original Message----- From: Vince Lyons [SMTP:vjlyons@snip.net] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 7:54 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes -Poster: "Vince Lyons" ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 8:34 PM > -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" > > If Mela was taller or if I was shorter, we could be sisters, straight, long, > red hair. > Whee! Fellow "fireys" (my brother's "pet" name for me, from the movie Labyrinth) ! I think several of the folks on this list have mentioned having red hair. I wonder if there's a link between follicle = pigmentation and a passion for historical costume. 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Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:16:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14946; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:32:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28653 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:29:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28648 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:29:47 -0600 (MDT) From: MissMela@aol.com Received: from MissMela@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6HWGa01827 (4310) for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:29:13 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: MissMela@aol.com In a message dated 9/11/1999 7:39:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kdyer@home.com writes: << My natural color is a light auburn and I color it to make it more like the red it was when I was young. I had bright red hair and blue eyes until I was three when my eyes turned green and my hair a deeper red...then when we moved to Nashville when I was 9 my eyes turned brown and my hair went auburn. >> I can't believe it! Another person whose eyes turned from blue to green. Mine turned about my 21st birthday and have been green ever since. My natural color was also a light auburn, but after too many summers of my hair turning "Lucy" red, I went to coloring my hair. My husband says that it has been so many years since I have seen my natural color that who knows what color it is now! Oh, Penny, one week after I saw you last, I spiral permed all that long hair of mine and it's still that way. No more straight hair. My mother says I refuse to grow up! Miss Mela _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 22:42:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00786 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:42:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17196; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:57:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01536 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:55:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01529 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:55:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.142]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA01642 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37DB24B5.4A843D34@mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:57:41 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Boring Clothes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Janice Dallas I was born a redhead but but the time I was 19 it was med. to dk. brown with copper highlights. Given enough sun, it was brown at the roots, red in the middle and strawberry on the ends. When I entered cronehood, I decided to cover the gray by going back to red. For theatre reasons, I was Strawberry blonde till now. For Fall I'll be light Auburn. I tend to grow my hair to waist length then chop off a foot or more of it. I can't stand much in the way of prints, either on or around me so tend to depend on solid colors. Half my wardrobe got put away when I went red, so I'm adding deep browns and greens. I'm basically conservative in Nature. I'm one of the few around here who dresses up or wears hat and gloves to events. Goes back to being brought up in the Fifties here in New England. When I ran workshops in winter, I would always wear black wool trousers, a black or white turtleneck and a deep color plaid wool big shirt. Of course, I'd add "buttons" with amusing costumer sayings to lighten things up. In the summer I'm fond of sundresses and shorts. I have too many tee shirts with show logos on them. I can wear short skirts, but find I'll reach for a long one instead. When I go shopping, the only clothes I can wear off the rack tend to be the most expensive ones! I'm tall, sort of thin (for my age), narrow backed with a widened ribcage because of my singing. I've acquired hordes of jewelry over the years, most of which gets loaned out for stage use. I find that I tend to wear only the smaller, better pieces now-a-days. Oh yes, my husband likes to surprise me every so often by going to the Original Filene's Basement and coming home with several gorgeous evening gowns, so I have more than I'll ever use, not to mention the ones I've grown out of. I think I have at least 6 tiaras, but I don't just use them for me. My favorite outfits are the ones I pick up at Renn faires, costume conventions and Costume College. I like the unusual just like the rest of us, and often wear them as hall costumes at several of the conventions I go to each year. Life would be too boring without "Costumes"! -- Janice Dallas Boston, MA area, USA JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 22:47:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00799 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:47:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17820; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:03:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02150 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:00:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.74]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02141 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:00:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer (user-33qse0e.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.56.14]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA22492 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00e901befcd3$64acd560$0e38aec7@oemcomputer> From: "Chris and Trish Makowski" To: Subject: H-COST: Silk question Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:00:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Chris and Trish Makowski" Is silkessence (blouse weight) anything close to period? It's going on sale near me next weekend for under 2 bucks a yard, and if it's passable I'd like to make my new chemise out of it. Also, any hints on sewing it? Anya _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 22:54:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00823 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:54:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18599; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:10:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02906 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:08:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (edtnps04.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.104]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02889 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:08:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clgrtnt5-port-189.agt.net ([161.184.52.189]:1030 "HELO Freya") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <68984-12447>; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:07:53 -0600 X-Sender: agottfre@pop.telusplanet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: H-COST: 'Strapt' shirts, c. 1778 X-Mailer: Message-Id: <19990912040801Z68984-12447+18@smtp1.telusplanet.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:07:53 -0600 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Can someone help me untangle this one? On a list of English trading goods sent to the Hudson's Bay Company's Cumberland House post in 1777 (Rich 1:362-363), I found the following items of clothing: "Shirts white strapt/Shirts check strapt" For the same post in 1778, there are "Shirts cotton striped/Shirts white Strapt/Shirts check Plain" In both lists, the "white strapt" shirts are the most common. I haven't a clue what they are, though. I've seen shirts and other items of clothing on many inventory lists for the 1774-1821 period and most of them make sense, but this has me stumped. The editor of another journal of an HBC post c. 1790 interpreted "Shirts SS" as "shoulder strap" shirts, which I'd never heard of. (I figured it probably meant swanskin shirts--which I'd seen elsewhere--until now.) Any suggestions are welcome. Your obliged and obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 22:54:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00827 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:54:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18677; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:10:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02994 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:08:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02986 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:08:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA39690 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:08:42 -0700 Received: from UNKNOWN(208.48.173.139), claiming to be "smadsenprimenet.com" via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdTWmrEa; Sat Sep 11 21:08:34 1999 Message-ID: <02a501befcd4$58986040$3c3084ce@com> From: "Lee" To: Subject: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:07:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Lee" I have so little time to sew for myself that I dress more boringly than I'd like. It's also too hot here in Arizona much of the year to wear the wearable art leather jackets I've made for myself. But I prefer to overdress for any occasion rather than underdressed as does my DH. He's agreed to wear his new leather doublets with jeans for everyday wear and bemoans how boring the men's section of clothing stores is. I bought a pattern for a ruffled man's shirt at the sale, and I've promised to make him a couple of each of the three styles, and this is also for daily wear. I got some patterns for some Goth-type dresses for myself to have fun with. I'm still looking for the Zoot suit and Shakespeare in Love patterns; they aren't out yet here! We'll wear anything and everything that we like. We're also looking forward to moving to Los Angeles later this year, because we'll be able to wear our favorite things more! Kels _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 22:56:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00837 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:56:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18901; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:12:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03232 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:09:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from viper.columbus.rr.com (viper.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.254]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03219 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc.columbus.rr.com (dhcp31161186.columbus.rr.com [24.31.161.186]) by viper.columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA12925 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004b01befcd4$eedd4f20$baa11f18@dsc.columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk question Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:11:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings-- >Is silkessence (blouse weight) anything close to period? It's going on sale >near me next weekend for under 2 bucks a yard, and if it's passable I'd like >to make my new chemise out of it. Also, any hints on sewing it? While I've found silkessence doesn't do too bad a job of looking like silk, the real thing I'd worry about when making a chemise out of it would be what kind of weather you'd be wearing it in. It doesn't breathe much, and if it's going to be directly next to your skin, particularly if you're wearing one of the more fitted styles, you may find it similar to wearing a plastic bag. However, if it's for something looser, and you're not going to be wearing it in hot weather, you could certainly do worse... Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 23:00:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00855 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:00:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19263; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03740 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:14:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03731 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:14:24 -0600 (MDT) From: MissMela@aol.com Received: from MissMela@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6OXZa20496 (4203) for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:13:46 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: MissMela@aol.com In a message dated 9/11/1999 9:09:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, smadsen@primenet.com writes: << We're also looking forward to moving to Los Angeles later this year, because we'll be able to wear our favorite things more! Kels >> Let us know when and exactly where you move. Then we can point out all the good shopping places! Mela _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 23:13:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00866 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:13:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20053; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:29:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04995 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:26:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04989 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:26:56 -0600 (MDT) From: HighlndLss@aol.com Received: from HighlndLss@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6XQW0r8hE_ (4546) for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8da8f59a.250c856e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:26:22 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/18C stays and shoulder straps To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: HighlndLss@aol.com Thank you for the tip about waxing the reed for the stays, that's something that I didn't think of. The stays that I had with the reed was good for a few years, but then the cracking of the reed got to be too much of a problem trying to continually replace. I have since made my stays completely from the spring steel, which, because of my chest-heavy figure is really the strength that I probably needed in the first place. I also found that I was more comfortable making both a front and back lacing pattern. I have a tendency to shift weight a lot. So having the possibility of adjusting both front and back together is really helpful. I adjust the back so that the front will always come completely together when laced. Then I leave the back lacing in place, and at events always use the front for putting the stays on and off. This is so much easier for dressing in the mornings. Thanks for your suggestions, Susan K. 42nd HRH & 17th Light Dragoons _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 23:20:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00879 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:20:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20782; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:36:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05601 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:33:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05593 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:33:51 -0600 (MDT) From: HighlndLss@aol.com Received: from HighlndLss@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6PJVjCG8z_ (4546) for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:33:17 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: HighlndLss@aol.com I believe that silkessence is really polyester, and not real silk at all. I don't know how period correct that you like to be. But if you are doing 18th century for example, silk would not be something used for chemises, except for a very wealthy women. And it would never pass inspections for camp life. But since I am not familiar with what you are portraying, and the amount of authenticity that you are portraying, that would be your decision. Hope this is helpful, Susan K. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 23:24:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00889 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:24:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21169; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05994 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:37:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05987 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:37:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.190] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11Q1OU-0005Ey-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:37:38 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:35:52 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 12:13 AM 09/12/1999 -0400, you wrote: >Let us know when and exactly where you move. Then we can point out all the >good shopping places! Mela I'm beginning to feel very left out, between those of you able to shop the LA and NY fabric/clothing dists. {VERY BIG Wistful sigh} Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sat Sep 11 23:35:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00900 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:35:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22023; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:51:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06949 for h-costume-outgoing; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:49:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06942 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:49:00 -0600 (MDT) From: MissMela@aol.com Received: from MissMela@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6SKR00DUZn (7805) for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <58350079.250c8a9c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:48:28 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: 1895 Lancers full levee dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: MissMela@aol.com I am starting on a 17th or 16th (haven't found the right wool yet) 1895 Lancer's Full Levee Dress uniform for my husband but am having trouble locating the correct hat. I have pictures but do not know who sells them. Any help list? Miss Mela _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 03:08:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30576 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:08:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29988; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:28:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19312 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:25:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19306 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:25:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.182] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11Q40u-00068h-00; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:25:28 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:23:40 -0700 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: H-COST: Stencilling vs. Block Printing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Does anyone know when each technique became available to/used in the attire of the nobility in Europe and the Middle East? Thank you. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 04:18:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA31307 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:18:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05405; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:34:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20167 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:32:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20012 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([12.66.2.203]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990912093133.TIXH24367@LOCALNAME> for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:31:33 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Connie Carroll" Organization: Home For Deranged Bunnies To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:29:57 +0000 Subject: Re: H-COST: Handsewing question Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) Message-Id: <19990912093133.TIXH24367@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Connie Carroll" > << Back stitching is a must for the corset. >> > If you look inside most hand sewn period clothing, you will find > either that the entire garment has been made with a small, regular > backstitch, or with a running backstitch. (3 or 4 running stitches > followed by a backstitch). The seam allowances are also most often > overcast to prevent fraying. Hope this helps. Cheryl Odom That's how I do my hand sewing. I prefer it to machine sewing. I just seem to have a lead foot with the machine. It sounds silly but I don't have the patience for the machine but I do for working with my hands. It's more relaxing for me. Kassandra NickKraken JUST CALL ME MISTRESS BUNNY _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 08:03:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA32120 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:03:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13278; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:19:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05535 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:17:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05525; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:17:16 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:17:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909121317.HAA05525@net.indra.com> From: "Margo Glenn-Lewis" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Helpful Pets Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Margo Glenn-Lewis" Around here we call them organic fabric weights. And if I get the right combination of cats, it is actually quite effective (unless I am cutting velvet...) Speaking of velvet, has anyone used the Simplicity Celtic pattern? I am thinking of getting it for Scottish County Dance. Margo Glenn-Lewis (No, I'm a different Margo.) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 08:32:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA32756 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:32:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14928; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:48:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08046 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:46:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA08041 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:46:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from airmail.net from [207.136.20.172] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.405) with esmtp for sender: id ; Sun, 12 Sep 99 08:46:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37DBADFD.7026233D@airmail.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:43:25 -0500 From: Megan & David Schmidt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes/RED HAIR References: <026201befcbe$9b8011c0$baa11f18@dsc.columbus.rr.com> <37DB1216.DD6A57E9@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Megan & David Schmidt Auburn/reddish here. Not as red as it was when I swam every day outside as a kid, but still reddish. (a tiny bit chemically enhanced with some highlights. :-) ) Megan Kat & Kent wrote: > -Poster: Kat & Kent > > Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > > > > I've got red-hair-from-a-bottle, too, although my natural hair color > > is a rich brown which used to get red highlights in the summer. Now > > it's just a nice deep auburny color, and those pesky grey hairs stay > > hidden, too! (I've really only been noticing those for about a > > year--coincidentally, I finished my PhD during that year :-) > > My gray hair comes from children (I left grad school because my > biological clock went atomic). My natural color is a light auburn and I > color it to make it more like the red it was when I was young. I had > bright red hair and blue eyes until I was three when my eyes turned > green and my hair a deeper red...then when we moved to Nashville when I > was 9 my eyes turned brown and my hair went auburn. > > Kat > wondering if we can get a large enough population to 'prove' the > redhead/costumer theory! > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 10:15:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01090 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:15:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22428; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:30:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16941 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:27:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from svr-a-01.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-01.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16933 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:27:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem91.hulk.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.91] helo=herimats) by svr-a-01.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 11QBXc-0008SW-00; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:27:45 +0100 Message-ID: <153301befd33$5f3d39c0$5b065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: , Subject: H-COST: Any help ,UK Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:27:19 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_152E_01BEFD3B.AF475CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_152E_01BEFD3B.AF475CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear List , can anyone help . I have finally convinced my friend that = she should take a little bit more trouble with costume for some event = she visits to ehibit her basketmaking. She has thrown thi sback in my = lap. In time for the Robin Hood festival at the end of October I have to come = up with a suitable outfit for this and for other "generally mediaeval " = events; this is not re-enacting. Size 12 maroon (ish) I dont have time or space (or inclination ) to start getting all of the = costumemaking gear together ; So I am looking for somebody who can supply this in time; If pos in easy = travelling distance ; She in Castle Donington Mr in Birmingham.- to = collect etc Any suggestions ? please/ Dave +++++++++++++++++++++++++ L.D.Mundy=20 Editor.Heritage Matters ------=_NextPart_000_152E_01BEFD3B.AF475CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear List , can anyone help . I have = finally=20 convinced my friend that she should take a little bit more trouble with = costume=20 for some event she visits to ehibit her basketmaking. She has thrown thi = sback=20 in my lap.
In time for the Robin Hood festival at = the end of=20 October I have to come up with a suitable outfit for this and for other=20 "generally mediaeval " events; this is not re-enacting. Size 12 maroon=20 (ish)
I dont have time or space (or = inclination ) to=20 start getting all of the costumemaking gear together ;
So I am looking for somebody who can = supply this in=20 time; If pos in easy travelling distance ; She in Castle Donington Mr in = Birmingham.- to collect etc
Any  suggestions ? = please/
Dave
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_152E_01BEFD3B.AF475CE0-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 10:29:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01104 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:29:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23503; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18337 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:42:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from eclipse.pacifier.com (eclipse.pacifier.com [199.2.117.78]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18332 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:42:27 -0600 (MDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by eclipse.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.3pop) id IAA18792 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909121542.IAA18792@eclipse.pacifier.com> Received: from ip195.van18.pacifier.com(216.65.137.195), claiming to be "grendal2" via SMTP by smtp.pacifier.com, id smtpdBAAteaGJK; Sun Sep 12 08:42:17 1999 Comments: Authenticated sender is To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:45:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: H-COST: Finishing on Slashed Edges Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.3.32.19990910172058.006c3710@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> References: <19990909230038.79179.qmail@hotmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: kat@grendal.rain.com > I'm working on the theory that the "pinked" type of ornamental slashing, > even when quite extensive, doesn't have a visible means to stop fraying. > Previously on the list, someone mentioned gum arabic or other mixtures > may have been painted on the back of the fabric. (?) Janet Arnold (in a lecture) told us that gum arabic was used on some of the slashings, but it wasn't universal. I could see no evidence of it in the slashed textiles I examined at the V&A. Also, I have several garments of my own on which I have tried ornamental slashing and pinking. I've not found it necessary to use anything on them. In fact, you need to deliberately pick at the fabric to loosen it enough so that the slashings show up enough. In one of the exhibits in the Costume area of the V&A I did see a garment with slashings which looked as if it did have something at the edge. (Of course, I couldn't get close enough to see it from the back side. It was in a large glassed in display with several dressed mannikins.) The slashings on it were longer than others I did get to see closer up. In Janet Arnold's PoF 1560-1620 there is a very similar one which also appears to have something at the very edge. It appears to me that there are both treated and untreated slashing/pinkings, perhaps depending on the length of the slash, fabric used or angle (bias vs straight of grain) of the slash. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 10:45:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01121 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:45:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24903; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19988 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:58:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.19]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19981 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:58:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sharp-9070- - 208.253.11.238 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:56:48 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: RE: H-COST: Stenciling vs. Block Printing Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:57:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000101befd38$d37af840$ee0bfdd0@sharp-9070-> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" Can't answer the question directly, but the Datini papers show that painting on fabric was common for clothing and wall hangings in latter 14th Century Italy. Gold painted on velvet and many colors on linen, at the very least, are mentioned. Hope H. Dunlap > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-h-costume@indra.com [mailto:owner-h-costume@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Carol J. Bell Cannon > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 3:24 AM > To: Recipient list suppressed > Subject: H-COST: Stencilling vs. Block Printing > > > > -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" > > Does anyone know when each technique became available > to/used in the > attire of the nobility in Europe and the Middle East? Thank > you. Carol > ____________________________________________________________ _____ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 10:50:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01127 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:50:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25381; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20455 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:02:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20443 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:02:47 -0600 (MDT) From: trekona@erols.com Received: from erols.com (207-172-131-132.s132.tnt4.col.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.131.132]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA06327 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:07:18 -0400 (EDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: re-pinking Date: Sun, 12 Sep 99 16:03:22 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: trekona@erols.com > -Poster: aleed > > Pinking Tools? > > Where? > > I'd love to find some of these. Mary Denise Smith often sells them - her husband makes them in different sizes and styles. She the editor of _Costume & Drsssmaker Magazine_. -Judy Mitchell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 11:02:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01138 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:02:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26352; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:17:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21641 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:14:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21633 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990912161406.ZCHH22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:14:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:17:28 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: 'Strapt' shirts, c. 1778 From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990912161406.ZCHH22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "R.L. Shep" In the research I did on shirts for *The Shirt Book* I did not run across any references of that type. Unless you find someone with a better answer I would suggest that you look at a very simple answer - *strapt* is after all a form of *strapped* and it might well mean that they were *strapped together in a bundle*. You might go back to your text and see if that does not fit. Should you find another answer, I - for one - would be VERY interested in it. Thanks ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) >To: h-costume-digest@indra.com >Subject: H-COST: 'Strapt' shirts, c. 1778 >Date: Sat, Sep 11, 1999, 9:07 PM > > >-Poster: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) > >Can someone help me untangle this one? On a list of English trading goods >sent to the Hudson's Bay Company's Cumberland House post in 1777 (Rich >1:362-363), I found the following items of clothing: >"Shirts white strapt/Shirts check strapt" >For the same post in 1778, there are "Shirts cotton striped/Shirts white >Strapt/Shirts check Plain" >In both lists, the "white strapt" shirts are the most common. I haven't a >clue what they are, though. I've seen shirts and other items of clothing on >many inventory lists for the 1774-1821 period and most of them make sense, >but this has me stumped. The editor of another journal of an HBC post c. >1790 interpreted "Shirts SS" as "shoulder strap" shirts, which I'd never >heard of. (I figured it probably meant swanskin shirts--which I'd seen >elsewhere--until now.) >Any suggestions are welcome. > >Your obliged and obedient servant, >Angela Gottfred > > >agottfre@telusplanet.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 11:07:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01142 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:07:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26812; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:22:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22463 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:20:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22458 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:20:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990912162022.ZDAR22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]>; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:20:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:23:43 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: 'Strapt' shirts, c. 1778 p.s. From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com CC: fred Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990912162022.ZDAR22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "R.L. Shep" Another thought is that since these are Canadian in destination I would suggest that you ask Gail Cariou at Parks Canada if she can shed any light on the subject.... this is one of her major areas of expertise. Gail_Cariou@pch.gc.ca ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) >To: h-costume-digest@indra.com >Subject: H-COST: 'Strapt' shirts, c. 1778 >Date: Sat, Sep 11, 1999, 9:07 PM > > >-Poster: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) > >Can someone help me untangle this one? On a list of English trading goods >sent to the Hudson's Bay Company's Cumberland House post in 1777 (Rich >1:362-363), I found the following items of clothing: >"Shirts white strapt/Shirts check strapt" >For the same post in 1778, there are "Shirts cotton striped/Shirts white >Strapt/Shirts check Plain" >In both lists, the "white strapt" shirts are the most common. I haven't a >clue what they are, though. I've seen shirts and other items of clothing on >many inventory lists for the 1774-1821 period and most of them make sense, >but this has me stumped. The editor of another journal of an HBC post c. >1790 interpreted "Shirts SS" as "shoulder strap" shirts, which I'd never >heard of. (I figured it probably meant swanskin shirts--which I'd seen >elsewhere--until now.) >Any suggestions are welcome. > >Your obliged and obedient servant, >Angela Gottfred > > >agottfre@telusplanet.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 12:14:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01668 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:14:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01833; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:30:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29742 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:28:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29733 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:28:00 -0600 (MDT) From: trekona@erols.com Received: from erols.com (207-172-130-176.s176.tnt3.col.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.130.176]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19139 for < h-costume@indra.com>; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:27:58 -0400 (EDT) To: h-costume@indra.com (h-costume) Subject: H-COST: reed supply Date: Sun, 12 Sep 99 17:28:35 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: trekona@erols.com For anyone who is looking for basket reed to try in corsets (or anything else), and lives in an unfortunate area like mine where Michael's doesn't carry reed (neither do Joannes, Craft Plus or Total Crafts), you might want to check out Gratiot Lake Basketry. I've gotten supplies and basket books from them, they are very nice and fairly quick - maybe a couple weeks. It's roughly $7 or less for a 1pound coil Their url is http://www.weavenet.com/gratiot.html and can also be reached at Gratiot Lake Basketry Star Route 1, Box 16 Mohawk, MI 49950 (906)337-5116 as well as glbasketry@worldnet.att.net. They sell round, half-round, and flat and flat-oval reed (as well as lots of other basket stuff!) in all different sizes. -Judy Mitchell no connection, just a happy basket case.. uh, customer. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 12:31:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01709 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:31:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02870; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:47:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01626 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:45:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01613 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:45:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6UAHa06249 (3980) for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:44:46 EDT Subject: H-COST: zoot suit pattern To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com "Kels" mentioned looking for the Simplicity zoot suit pattern; I've gone to check it out and don't think much of it. The jacket isn't right, except that it's long, and it might look okay for a stage costume but I don't think it would pass muster for real wear. A man's jacket really has to be tailored, I guess. The pants looked okay but not great -- better than anything else, though. Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 12:49:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01730 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:49:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04078; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:06:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03847 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:03:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03839 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:03:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11QDye-0000Ol-0B for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:03:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:47:11 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: H-COST: Boring clothes? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Jean Waddie I definitely wear boring clothes in modern life. I recently discovered that almost all my skirts for work are either from charity shops or home made. There are a few reasons for this - - I rarely find anything "fashionable" that I like on me, so I tend to stick to "classic", - my body doesn't fit the shape of a lot of shop-bought skirts and trousers, and while I often think I would like to make myself something new, I have too many half-finished period things on my list to start anything modern, - I spend all my money on period stuff and going to events. Everyday clothes just aren't a priority for my budget. And - like you I think - whenever I walk into a shop, the thing that really catches my eye is the most expensive thing there! I have a taste for quality! Jean In message , KATHARINE WHISLER writes > >-Poster: KATHARINE WHISLER > >Here's a question for you all: A few weeks back when my boyfriend >accompanied me to my favorite clothing store, Brooks Brothers, he >remarked that he found it strange that someone as interested in the >history of fashion as I am would always wear rather boring clothes. >Thinking about it, he's right, I do tend to choose very basic clothes that >I can wear for years-- but this is because I'd rather buy something of >better quality that will last a while than some cheap fashionable thing >that is poorly made and will wear out in short order. I suppose the >fashionable clothes that would interest me are just plain too expensive >(in time or money). I did see a lovely Chanel jacket the other day and >it wasn't boring at all. Of course, it was also nearly $2000. > >So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday >life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a >fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? > >--Katharine Whisler > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Jean Waddie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 12:53:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01736 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:53:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04347; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04224 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:07:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04217 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:07:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gia-g (dialup346.serv.net [207.207.70.239]) by mx.serv.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA02295 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007a01befd49$bd6e1260$ef46cfcf@gia-g> From: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Handsewing question Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:04:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" Hi! I have the same problem. When I sew by machine, I tend to go really really fast and then have to spend time using my seam ripper...I've been doing alot more sewing by hand and actually *love* it! Less time with the seam ripper, since I actually take the time to check and see what I'm sewing. I didn't think I would like this hand sewing, so at first I was very hesitant to try. The best part of hand sewing is getting to sew and be with my family at the same time. And while sewing by hand is obviously going to take longer, it means getting to spend *more* time with them. My family *loves this*, I've actually got to snuggle more with my 4 yr old and had some great discussions with my 15 yr old. Another thing I've discovered, the hand of the material and whether the seam is 'load bearing' should influence your choice of stitch. For example, working with velvet and silks recently, I've learned to always baste the materials and that using a 'stab' backstitch on velvet is effective in controlling the 'shifting' that velvet tends to do. Doing a very small running stitch produces a nice seam on silk (a slippery devil) and since you're not handling the material much, controls the slipage on those kinds of materials. But, if either fabric is on a 'load bearing' (borrowing from a housing construction term) seam, always use a back stitch; 'stabbing' for velvets. Anyway, just my observations on handsewing two kinds of luxery fabrics; I'm sure others will have more to add to this.. Gia >That's how I do my hand sewing. I prefer it to machine sewing. I >just seem to have a lead foot with the machine. It sounds silly but I >don't have the patience for the machine but I do for working with my >hands. It's more relaxing for me. > >Kassandra NickKraken >JUST CALL ME MISTRESS BUNNY _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 13:16:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01760 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:16:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06256; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:32:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06600 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:29:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06594 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:29:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (209-122-252-93.s347.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.252.93]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03885 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001c01befd4e$26c3dfc0$5dfc7ad1@pavilion> From: "Andrea Gideon" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:39:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Andrea Gideon" > In a message dated 9/11/1999 12:37:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > MzScahlett@aol.com writes: > > << So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday > life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a > fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? > >> > I'm a hairdresser and tend to look like one. I make all my own clothes and they tend to be all black and mostly suits. My casual wear is mostly black, but in whatever trendy style is current. Andrea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 13:39:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01775 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:39:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08443; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09216 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:52:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09206 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:52:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6MYI0tFarf (4354) for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43b5f621.250d504d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:51:57 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: zoot suit pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Cheryldee@aol.com In a message dated 9/12/99 11:46:32 AM Mountain Daylight Time, Gaelscot@aol.com writes: << "Kels" mentioned looking for the Simplicity zoot suit pattern; I've gone to check it out and don't think much of it. The jacket isn't right, except that it's long, and it might look okay for a stage costume but I don't think it would pass muster for real wear. A man's jacket really has to be tailored, I guess. The pants looked okay but not great -- better than anything else, though. Gail Finke ______ >> I was the assistant designer of "Zoot Suit" when it premiered at the Mark Taper Forum in Los Angeles. All of the suits were constructed in the shop by professional tailors. I haven't seen the pattern but I can tell you that the waists have to be cut high to the middle of the rib cage at least with front pleats, very full through the legs and then quickly pegged at the bottom, then cuffed. The coat is very broad through the shoulders (big tailoring shoulder pads or even two) and the hem of the coat is fingertip length. The lapels are wide. There has to be pad stitching, canvas, roll tape, the works, and you need to make your own canvas fronts due to the length. I imaging you can alter the Simplicity pattern to do all of these things if you know how to tailor. Cheryl Odom _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 14:11:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01824 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:11:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11001; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:27:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12807 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:25:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu10.smtp.email.msn.com [207.46.181.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12795 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:25:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sharp-9070- - 208.253.11.113 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:23:53 -0700 From: "Hope H. Dunlap" To: Subject: H-COST: Fulling Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:33:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000201befd55$c2cfd340$ee0bfdd0@sharp-9070-> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Hope H. Dunlap" There is a lengthy discussion of fulling here: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/rialto/felting-msg.html. It was a process applied to wool as it came off the loom to compact the weave by shrinking, make it both more sturdy and more supple. It also resulted in a fabric which raveled less, so it was done long and hard on a garment to be punched, pinked, or dagged. Taken to its extreme, the process can produce felt. Felting is a similar process, usually involving loose unwoven wool. In 1108 there was already a fulling mill on the banks of the River Bisenzio in Italy at Prato, perhaps due to the natural occurrance of a geat quantity of "fullers earth" nearby. Fullers earth is a dark slimy soil used in the process and also used up to the present cenury for cleaning wool. Hope H. Dunlap _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 14:19:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01838 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:19:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11866; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:35:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13746 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:33:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from spdmgaab.compuserve.com (ds-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.206.135]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13738 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:33:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.5) id PAA02879; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:31:59 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Costume UK To: "INTERNET:h-costume-digest@indra.com" Cc: "." Message-ID: <199909121532_MC2-8484-B7ED@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id NAA13741 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Melanie Wilson >Dear List , can anyone help . I have finally convinced my friend that = she should take a little bit more trouble with costume for some event = she visits to ehibit her basketmaking. She has thrown thi sback in my = lap. In time for the Robin Hood festival at the end of October I have to come = up with a suitable outfit for this and for other "generally mediaeval " = events; this is not re-enacting. Size 12 maroon (ish) I dont have time or space (or inclination ) to start getting all of the = costumemaking gear together ; So I am looking for somebody who can supply this in time; If pos in easy = travelling distance ; She in Castle Donington Mr in Birmingham.- to = collect etc Any suggestions ? please/ Is it Maggie then ??? If so I'll do a simple T tunic for here if she wants to swap reeds , rushes & so on, I'm only a few miles away too Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 14:39:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02480 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:39:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14212; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16135 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:53:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta1-svc.virgin.net (mta1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.142]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16130 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:53:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xohgoynt ([62.252.37.209]) by mta1-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19990912195413.EER26556.mta1-svc@xohgoynt> for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:54:13 +0100 Message-ID: <056501befd57$19dabbe0$d125fc3e@xohgoynt> From: "emma smith" To: Subject: H-COST: Castle Donington / Birmingham costume request Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:36:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "emma smith" Hi Sorry I deleted the message before saving it - duh! Anyway, if you're still looking for someone to make stuff in time for Robin Hood at end of October, contact me & we'll discuss. I live in Stratford Emma black.smith@virgin.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 14:53:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02500 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:53:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15626; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:09:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17845 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:07:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17838 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:07:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07549 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-130.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.130]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08269 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <016b01befd5b$71908320$5b01fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing w/o a maid: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:55:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" The images I got when I read this made me giggle. Don't we yell at out kids for hanging on the doorknobs? ;) Michelle >-Poster: Margo Anderson > I put it on over my head and hook the loops over >the handle of my patio door, then slowly walk away, and the lace pulls tight >as I walk. Reach behind, unhook the loops, and tie them in a large bow and >tuck the hanging bits inside the lacing. > >Margo > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 14:54:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02504 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:54:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15621; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17844 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:07:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17829 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:07:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07542 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-130.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.130]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08257 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <016a01befd5b$709de5c0$5b01fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing w/o a maid: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:41:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" It might be easier to put it on with the laces in front, rather than trying to get yourself into it after it is laced. That would be like climbing through a coat hanger. You have to have long laces for this method to. Put it on backwards, lace it up bottom to top and turn it around yourself to the back. Pull the laces from above your head. I think this is an instance where you have to experiment until you find what works for you. Michelle >Make your lace really, really long. Loosely lace the corset while not >wearing it, slide it on over your head and then start pulling on the >laces until you have it as tight as you wish. This does leave a lot of >extra lace when you have it done up so I tie big loopy bows and tuck >inside as needed. > >Alexandria > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 14:59:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02521 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:59:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16219; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18399 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:12:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18392 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:12:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (216-164-48-126.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com [216.164.48.126]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA25574 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <019001befd5a$5ae69f20$0200a8c0@pavilion> From: "Megan McHugh" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Dress forms Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:08:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Megan McHugh" >-Poster: rima@anet.net wrote: >OK, so who knows of a terrific dress form that 's out there, that's easily >adjustable between two women's sizes - my friend and I wanna share, but >she's 4 inches taller and thinner! > >Am I dreaming??? I am thinking of getting the uniquely you dress form as well. But from Greenberg & Hammer, who lists them in their catalog for about $200 instead of $250, except I'm guessing the $250 is canadian, which is probably about the same in US currency..... _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 15:07:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02565 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:07:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17065; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:23:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19336 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:21:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19330 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:21:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p3.directcon.net [206.170.184.52]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11298 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909122019.NAA11298@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Dress forms Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson >I am thinking of getting the uniquely you dress form as well. But from >Greenberg & Hammer, who lists them in their catalog for about $200 instead >of $250, The last time I noticed, Jo Anne's fabrics carried them, by special order. BUT even special orders are included in the 40 or 50 per cent off everything in the store sales they have several times a year. Get on their mailing list the next time you're there, keep watching the sales, and you can get one for around $100. Margo Anderson "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 15:12:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02571 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:12:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17392; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:28:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19928 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:26:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.wireweb.net (mail.wireweb.net [216.3.229.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19922 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:26:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail.wireweb.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.2); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:12:49 -0500 Received: by mail.wireweb.net from dragonlair (216.3.231.77::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V3.2); Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:12:48 -0500 Message-ID: <37DC0A93.1FAE@wireweb.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:18:27 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing w/o a maid: References: <016a01befd5b$709de5c0$5b01fea9@gunsafes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SLUIDL: 0C51E5C4-681811D3-BB370040-33537EE5 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Alexandria Doyle" Michelle wrote: > > -Poster: "Michelle" > > It might be easier to put it on with the laces in front, rather than > trying to get yourself into it after it is laced. That would be like > climbing through a coat hanger. You have to have long laces for this method > to. Put it on backwards, lace it up bottom to top and turn it around > yourself to the back. Pull the laces from above your head. > I think this is an instance where you have to experiment until you find > what works for you. Actually, doing it that way would be just as difficult for me, you see, I have a chest that gets in my way of seeing my waist line unless physically lifted out of the way. Much easier to slip it on then lace in the back for me! Alexandria _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 16:08:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02647 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:08:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22337; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:24:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26132 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:21:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26123 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:21:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.133] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11QH4C-0005cV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:21:45 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:19:58 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: zoot suit pattern In-Reply-To: <43b5f621.250d504d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 02:51 PM 09/12/1999 -0400, you wrote:>-Poster: Cheryldee@aol.com >In a message dated 9/12/99 11:46:32 AM Mountain Daylight Time, Gaelscot@aol.com writes: > "Kels" mentioned looking for the Simplicity zoot suit pattern; ...... > ______ >> >I was the assistant designer of "Zoot Suit" when it premiered at the Mark >Taper Forum in Los Angeles. All of the suits were constructed in the shop by >professional tailors. I haven't seen the pattern...... I imagine you can alter the >Simplicity pattern to do all of these things if you know how to tailor. Cheryl Odom But the problem for me, Cheryl, and I suspect for a lot of others who buy patterns is--we don't yet know how to tailor. So, when the big pattern-makers come out with a pattern that is going to need all of these alterations in order to make it look right, and I sew it, after fitting it as best I know how, and doing everything the instructions say to, and it still doesn't look right--it is very frustrating. When I have time and money, I will take classes, perhaps, but right now, I don't. I wish the pattern companies would take a little more thought for people like me, I guess. Thanks for listening to me rant...I'll go skulk now. Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 16:13:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02653 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:13:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23071; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:29:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26873 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:26:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.130]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26859 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:26:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Porb (light87.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.87]) by sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA21050 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990912142828.007a9c50@antir.com> X-Sender: i.wonder@antir.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:28:28 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kris Subject: Re: H-COST: Simplicity Italian Ren Pattern In-Reply-To: References: <37DA1246.E54DEB2D@worldnet.att.net> <19990910225205.66050.qmail@hotmail.com> <3.0.5.32.19990910214711.007a3100@antir.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kris At 02:06 AM 11/09/99 -0700, you wrote: >-Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" >At 01:26 AM 09/11/1999, Carolyn Richardson wrote: >>Kris wrote: oh! oh! I have LOTS of navy.. AND cranberry.. in the same >fabric.. >>> *plotting a new scheme* Maybe I'll do THAT for my It.Ren, and use the light >>> one for.. something else down the road.. >> Either would be good. Green too (everyone break into a round >of "Greensleeves" ;-) >which to choose. I'm getting excited about doing my first Italian Ren >outfit, too, and will attempt more authenticity than I ever have before. I >decided on side lacings, too, since, alas, I have no 'tiring maid, nor >beloved who might aid me to lace otherwise. -- Gra/inne I thought about doing it more authentic, but then I discovered that I lost/used/gave away a great dea of my navy fabric. 3 metres of 45" isn't enough.. *sigh* So... yesterday I was in a fabric store & discovered gorgeous silk.. at $35/m... Something I want, but cannot afford. Then.. today, I discovered some poly suiting that drapes and feels quite similar to the silk.. in the clearance section. So I bought it all! It's mottled black and burgundy, so I'm going to trim it in black and gold and pretend that there was a great accident in the Laundry, and my rich cousin gave the gown to me.. *grin* It's a plausible story :] I also found some *bright* kelly green linen fabric.. in the clearance section.. I'm pondering what to make out of it. I think there's 3 metres of 60" fabric.. Any ideas? It's not my best color, so it has to be a style with lots of trim near my face :] Kris plotting yet another new scheme :] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 16:18:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02661 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:18:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24183; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:34:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27591 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:32:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.130]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27581 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:32:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Porb (light87.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.87]) by sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA21066 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990912143403.007ac320@antir.com> X-Sender: i.wonder@antir.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:34:03 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kris Subject: Re: H-COST: RE: boring clothes In-Reply-To: <199909111012.FAA19363@cdale3.midwest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kris At 05:02 AM 11/09/99 -0500, you wrote: > My biggest pet peeve is unmatched plaids! Current manufacturers seem >to be visually impaired concerning plaids. If the plaid in a garment is >unmatched, it's cheap, IMHO, regardless of what the price tag reads! >Meg oh! and stripes!! when the front & back pieces of a tshirt don't have the striped pattern matching on the side seams, it looks so awful! :] Kris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 16:24:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03273 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:24:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24981; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:40:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28223 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:37:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (edtnps04.telusplanet.net [198.161.157.104]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28216 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:37:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clgrtnt4-port-156.agt.net ([161.184.49.156]:1031 "HELO Freya") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <70859-19275>; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:37:33 -0600 X-Sender: agottfre@pop.telusplanet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: Re: H-COST: 'Strapt' shirts, c. 1778 X-Mailer: Message-Id: <19990912213746Z70859-19275+35@smtp1.telusplanet.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:37:33 -0600 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) "R.L. Shep" wrote: >...I would suggest that you look at a very simple answer - *strapt* is after all a form of *strapped* and it might well mean that they were *strapped together in a bundle*. < Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm pretty confident that it's not the meaning, because of my experience with many other inventory lists for the HBC. It would be highly unusual for the method of packing to be given on an inventory list. The inventory for 1776 lists 10 "white strapt" shirts (and no other kind), the 1777 inventory gives 10 "white strapt" shirts and 6 "check strapt" shirts, and the 1778 inventory has 4 "cotton striped" shirts, 6 "white strapt" shirts, and 2 "check Plain" shirts. Thanks, too, for the contact information on Gail Cariou--I'll forward my question to her. Your obliged & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 16:49:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03370 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:49:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28275; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01499 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:02:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.vci.net (smtp.vci.net [207.162.160.12]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01491 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:02:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vci.net (pah-c1-250.vci.net [207.162.162.250] (may be forged)) by smtp.vci.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA15005 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:02:35 -0500 Message-ID: <37DC23A9.C80E76A6@vci.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:05:29 -0500 From: "schuck@vci.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-FR,de,ru,es-AR,sv MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: wool question References: <199909122012.OAA18410@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "schuck@vci.net" Thanks for your help! I'll have to try the instructions and see what happens. jb <<>> _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 16:50:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03381 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:50:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28402; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:06:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01685 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:03:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01680 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:03:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.142]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18682 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37DC23D8.194B377A@mediaone.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:06:16 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Info on curator Mimi Vincent wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Janice Dallas -------- Original Message -------- Subject: re: your other list Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:45:01 -0400 From: Peter Zavon To: Janice Dallas On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 you said to Savoynet, in part Hi!, A friend is trying to locate someone who was active in historic costume. He hopes we may know of her whereabouts. Janice Dallas JaniceDals@mediaone.net ------------------ >One of the other lists that I'm on, Historic Costume (630 members)... Interesting. By chance, do you know if there is a person on that list named Margaret (Mimi) Vincent? She was active in the BU Savoyards in the early 1970's but when we had our recent reunion, she was among the missing. Her focus was theatrical costuming and, when last I saw her (in the early 80's) she was a curator at the Georgetown Costume Museum in Philadelphia. We are a bit concerned because someone got the impression she had died. Peter Zavon Penfield, NY PZAVON@Compuserve.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 17:32:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03474 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:32:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02324; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:47:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06763 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:45:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snip.net (mail.snip.net [209.204.64.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06747 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:45:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ouppc [209.204.83.139] by snip.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id ABF715F80068; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:40:55 -0400 Message-ID: <003201befd70$6f5ec980$8b53ccd1@ouppc> From: "Vince Lyons" To: References: <007a01befd49$bd6e1260$ef46cfcf@gia-g> Subject: Re: H-COST: Handsewing question Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:44:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Vince Lyons" Had to add my story to the list of those who prefer handsewing. Until very recently I used to sew everything by hand because I was flat out terrified of sewing machines. As a girl during WWII my mother worked in a factory, sewing uniform pants for the troops. When I was growing up she told me the most gory stories about how she would try to sew so fast she'd sew straight through her finger, pause, take her little pair of pliers, pull the needle out of her finger, re-insert it into the machine and go back to work! It's a wonder I ever managed to pick up a needle of any sort! Kerrie, the hopelessly traumatised. ;-D _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 17:47:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03521 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:47:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03624; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:02:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08203 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:00:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.130]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08197 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Porb (light76.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.76]) by sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA21446 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990912160157.007a6300@antir.com> X-Sender: i.wonder@antir.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:01:57 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kris Subject: Re: H-COST: Dress forms In-Reply-To: <019001befd5a$5ae69f20$0200a8c0@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kris >-Poster: "Megan McHugh" > >I am thinking of getting the uniquely you dress form as well. But from >Greenberg & Hammer, who lists them in their catalog for about $200 instead >of $250, except I'm guessing the $250 is canadian, which is probably about >the same in US currency..... It's less! The exchange rate in canada is $1.54 canadian to $1 US.... Or.. at least, that's what it is at my bank :] You could ask them how much they would charge for it in US$, and make your comparisons that way.. Kris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 17:51:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03531 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:51:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03998; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:07:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08807 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:05:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta2-svc.virgin.net (mta2-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.143]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08794 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.63.84]) by mta2-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19990912230413.JEC7469.mta2-svc@LOCALNAME> for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:04:13 +0100 Message-ID: <37DC9739.42F0@virgin.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:18:33 -0700 From: Dawn Organization: ages of elegance www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN712-000 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 1895 Lancers full levee dress References: <58350079.250c8a9c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dawn MissMela@aol.com wrote: > > -Poster: MissMela@aol.com > > I am starting on a 17th or 16th (haven't found the right wool yet) 1895 > Lancer's Full Levee Dress uniform for my husband but am having trouble > locating the correct hat. I have pictures but do not know who sells them. Any > help list? Miss Mela > _______ You could try a company called Military Metalwork in the Uk. They make accoutrements, hats, buttons, badges leatherwork etc for repro uniforms and have currently got an order from the British MOD to make proper Lancer Caps as made in the 19th century . I use them all the time email andrew@militarymetal.free-online.co.ukleave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 18:08:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03573 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:08:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05720; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:24:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10915 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:22:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10903 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:22:14 -0600 (MDT) From: SAQUEEN@aol.com Received: from SAQUEEN@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6MDKuzQo3_ (3952) for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <485e3d43.250d8f7e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:21:34 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Info on curator Mimi Vincent wanted To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com I had lunch with Margaret Vincent at the Connecticut Historical Society in June. I met her in the late '80s at Museum of Early Southern Decorative Arts (MESDA) in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Please email me offline and I can give you her telephone number if you think this is the person you are looking for. Sally Costume Calendar Series http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 18:17:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03586 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:17:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06485; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:33:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11987 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:31:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11982 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:31:27 -0600 (MDT) From: SAQUEEN@aol.com Received: from SAQUEEN@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6GDQay3TL_ (3952) for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2420b28e.250d91ab@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:30:51 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Silk question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com In a message dated 9/12/99 12:35:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HighlndLss@aol.com writes: << silk would not be something used for chemises, except for a very wealthy women. >> 18th c. chemises/shifts were generally linen. More wealthy women used a fine, bleached white linen while lower sorts wore osnaburg or a coarser unbleached linen. They saved the more expensive silk for outwear for all to see! Perhaps a fine neck handkerchief would work with your fabric? Sally Costume Calendar Series http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com (who spent "de-lurking day" at Library of Congress reading 1770 PA. Gazette. Thank you Penny for giving me the day off the computer! Want me to post a great merchant ad from John Smith of Philadelphia?) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 19:02:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04270 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:02:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10289; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17160 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:13:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17154 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:13:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25300 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:13:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from 208-48-174-159.nas-2.scf.primenet.com(208.48.174.159), claiming to be "smadsenprimenet.com" via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAFUaqzX; Sun Sep 12 17:13:12 1999 Message-ID: <009001befd7c$ad95cbc0$8805dacf@com> From: "Lee" To: Subject: H-COST: Los Angeles Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:12:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Lee" << We're also looking forward to moving to Los Angeles later this year, because we'll be able to wear our favorite things more! Kels >> >Let us know when and exactly where you move. Then we can point out all the >good shopping places! Mela Sounds great! I really am looking forward to it...so much to do before we get there.... Found The Zoot suit pattern and the Shakespeare one today! My DH has wanted a Zoot for years. Kels _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 19:04:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04274 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:04:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10516; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:19:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17512 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:16:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17506 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glenda-s-pc ([203.26.180.187]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA25420 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:20:24 +1000 Message-ID: <02ef01befd7d$151e5000$bbb41acb@glenda-s-pc> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: 17th century Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:15:22 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Glenda Robinson" And another : English Civil War - London Trayned Bandes 1642. Pike and Musket Soc. of NSW (Australia) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/8500/index.htm (our unofficial motto is that we take our reenactment seriously and ourselves not seriously at all) Glenda Robynsone (Wyf of the Wytchefynder General, who has his retracting pin on order!) -----Original Message----- From: Andrea Clef To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sunday, 12 September 1999 12:36 Subject: H-COST: Re: 17th century >> >To Jill of ECWS: I'm thrilled to hear that there *is* another 17th century >> >enthusiast on the list. It's always seemed as though I was the only one! >> >Kate Bunting >> >King's Lifeguard of Foote/ Captaine Generalls Musick, Sealed Knot >> -------- >> Jill and Kate, >> I do 17th c. (Cavalier Association, Columbus Ohio, US). We do ECW in the US >> and American colonial 17th century. This summer, went to the muster at >> Salem Village 1630. If I ever get to the UK again (last trip was 1984), >> I'd love to attend some ECW and other events! >> >> Marsha Hamilton >> >And here are even more ;-) !I belong to an English-/German cooperative >group that does French and English baroque in the 17th century. >We want to focus on civilian events but there is also a regiment being >built up, the >"Kirke`s Lambs". >We`re just starting out, if you`d like to know more about the group, >visit >http://www.kipar.org, there are some pics and information about 17th >century dress up as well. > >Many greetings, >Diana > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 19:09:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04278 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:09:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11238; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:24:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18277 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:22:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18270 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:22:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26697 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:22:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from 208-48-174-159.nas-2.scf.primenet.com(208.48.174.159), claiming to be "smadsenprimenet.com" via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAA16aWg0; Sun Sep 12 17:21:57 1999 Message-ID: <009f01befd7d$e6888ac0$8805dacf@com> From: "Lee" To: Subject: H-COST: zoot suit pattern Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:21:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Lee" > >"Kels" mentioned looking for the Simplicity zoot suit pattern; I've gone to >check it out and don't think much of it. The jacket isn't right, except that >it's long, and it might look okay for a stage costume but I don't think it >would pass muster for real wear. A man's jacket really has to be tailored, I >guess. The pants looked okay but not great -- better than anything else, >though. > >Gail Finke I =do= intend to do modifications to it, but it's a lot faster for me than drafting it up from scratch! And if anyone else has seen any other patterns for them, let me know. This is the first one I've found. I frequently use a pattern that's got some lines I can use and go from there, with sketches of what I want it to end up as. Kels _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 19:20:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04292 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:20:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12259; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:34:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19379 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:32:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19372 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:32:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28235 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:32:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from 208-48-174-159.nas-2.scf.primenet.com(208.48.174.159), claiming to be "smadsenprimenet.com" via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAKjayg3; Sun Sep 12 17:32:00 1999 Message-ID: <00ae01befd7f$4dee7660$8805dacf@com> From: "Lee" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: zoot suit pattern Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:31:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Lee" >I was the assistant designer of "Zoot Suit" when it premiered at the Mark >Taper Forum in Los Angeles. All of the suits were constructed in the shop by >professional tailors. I haven't seen the pattern but I can tell you that the >waists have to be cut high to the middle of the rib cage at least with front >pleats, very full through the legs and then quickly pegged at the bottom, >then cuffed. The coat is very broad through the shoulders (big tailoring >shoulder pads or even two) and the hem of the coat is fingertip length. The >lapels are wide. There has to be pad stitching, canvas, roll tape, the >works, and you need to make your own canvas fronts due to the length. I >imaging you can alter the Simplicity pattern to do all of these things if you >know how to tailor. Cheryl Odom > _________________________________________________________________ Great, Cheryl! Do you have any pictures of the production? Or places to go for good reference? Those adjustments are all ones I'm planning, and I've been wanting to try my hand at traditional tailoring for awhile, and since this isn't something with a deadline, it should be fun. What sort of fabrics were these done in? I need to dig out some of my photos and set up a website... Kels _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 20:16:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04426 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:16:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17056; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:31:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25963 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:29:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25953 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:29:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04382 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-133.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.133]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19354 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003001befd88$684b56a0$b747fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: H-COST: traumatized stories Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:36:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" One of my friends accidentally sewed a teddy bear head to her thumb in 7th grade home-ec. She has been terrified of sewing machines ever since and just recently commented that she should get over it. She is about 35 years old now. These things happen. Michelle >-Poster: "Vince Lyons" > >Had to add my story to the list of those who prefer handsewing. >Until very recently I used to sew everything by hand because I was flat out >terrified of sewing machines. >As a girl during WWII my mother worked in a factory, sewing uniform pants >for the troops. When I was growing up she told me the most gory stories >about how she would try to sew so fast she'd sew straight through her >finger, pause, take her little pair of pliers, pull the needle out of her >finger, re-insert it into the machine and go back to work! >It's a wonder I ever managed to pick up a needle of any sort! > >Kerrie, the hopelessly traumatised. ;-D > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 20:16:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04430 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:16:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17063; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25925 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:29:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us ([199.173.91.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25919 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:29:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bchamber (dial-in191 [199.173.93.191]) by mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA07451 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010d01befd87$5da59ea0$bf5dadc7@bchamber> From: "Beth" To: "H-Costume" Subject: H-COST: Costumers dress/red hair Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:29:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010A_01BEFD65.D4A59C20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Beth" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010A_01BEFD65.D4A59C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The red hair effect must rub off - even through virtual contact only. = Over the past year or two my hair has become more and more red. My once = blond - turned brown ( a very ash brown) hair now has a rather intense = coppery undertone. Dye does absolutely nothing! Red hair simply does not = go with wine, plum, or fuchsia - some of my favorite colors! So while = red hair is in I'm trying desperately to get rid of mine. :)=20 After reading posts from many of you who wear vintage items, vintage = inspired fashions, and colors or styles which are "out" of = fashion/season I have just one question - why do I never meet people = like you in my "real", as opposed to online, life??? All my friends and = coworkers are real off the rack at Macys type people. Not that dressing = like the masses is bad - I just imagine that it would be more fun with = someone egging me on while I egged them on. ------=_NextPart_000_010A_01BEFD65.D4A59C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The red hair effect must rub off - even through = virtual=20 contact only. Over the past year or two my hair has become more and more = red. My=20 once blond - turned brown ( a very ash brown) hair now has a rather = intense=20 coppery undertone. Dye does absolutely nothing! Red hair simply does not = go with=20 wine, plum, or fuchsia - some of my favorite colors! So while red hair = is in I'm=20 trying desperately to get rid of mine. :)
 
After reading posts from many of you who wear = vintage items,=20 vintage inspired fashions, and colors or styles which are "out" of=20 fashion/season I have just one question - why do I never meet = people like=20 you in my "real", as opposed to online, life??? All my friends and = coworkers are=20 real off the rack at Macys type people. Not that dressing like the = masses is bad=20 - I just imagine that it would be more fun with someone egging me on = while I=20 egged them on.
------=_NextPart_000_010A_01BEFD65.D4A59C20-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 20:18:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04434 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:18:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17296; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:34:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26285 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:31:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from tor-smtp2.netcom.ca (tor-smtp2.netcom.ca [207.181.101.101]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26277 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:31:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (trt-on17-97.netcom.ca [207.181.84.225]) by tor-smtp2.netcom.ca (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA13634 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009001befd87$8b695160$e154b5cf@default> From: "David Stamper & Eve Harris" To: References: <008b01befcb6$c408a1a0$3b56accf@e4c2n6> <000901befcb9$4f5b85e0$a353ccd1@ouppc> <00b701befcbc$7210afe0$3b56accf@e4c2n6> Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:30:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "David Stamper & Eve Harris" > > Whee! Fellow "fireys" (my brother's "pet" name for me, from the movie > > Labyrinth) ! I think several of the folks on this list have mentioned > > having red hair. I wonder if there's a link between follicle pigmentation > > and a passion for historical costume. My mother's hair was blond as a baby, red as a child, and then turned chestnut...I came out a blond who turned dull brown in puberty - straight to the dye bottle as a 15 year old with my mother's blessing. I've contemplated becoming a strawberry blond or adding lavender highlights several times, but always shied away. I'm still somewhat embryonic as a costumer. I'm spending all my time perfecting cut and seam finishing, and haven't yet got around to embellishment. In Real Life, I wear lots and lots of navy blue suits with increasingly esoteric jewellery. My fellow employees are becoming tolerant as they slowly learn that I am That Way. At home I wear long earthtone dresses that hide my avoirdupois, and blond hair down to my waist. I'm beginning to suspect that I am a closet hippie hypocrite. Too bourgeois to forgo making a living, militant towards parochial medicine and infuriated by a !@#$ government that only mandates 55% maternity pay. Eve Harris _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 20:24:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04440 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:24:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18070; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:40:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26994 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:38:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26980 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:38:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990913013806.OLUE16271.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:38:06 -0700 Message-ID: <37DC5521.10BB9A61@home.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:36:33 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Costumers dress/red hair References: <010d01befd87$5da59ea0$bf5dadc7@bchamber> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kat & Kent > Beth wrote: > > The red hair effect must rub off - even through virtual contact only. > Over the past year or two my hair has become more and more red. My > once blond - turned brown ( a very ash brown) hair now has a rather > intense coppery undertone. Dye does absolutely nothing! Red hair > simply does not go with wine, plum, or fuchsia - some of my favorite > colors! So while red hair is in I'm trying desperately to get rid of > mine. :) I don't think there is any color I *don't* wear in some form or another! I definitely can wear wine, plum & fuchsia...must be my complexion. The weird thing in my family is that my husband is almost exactly one shade off from me in hair & skin color and our children are the same (all of us very, very fair w/auburn hair) while *both* our mothers have hair so brown it looks black with olive complexions. > After reading posts from many of you who wear vintage items, vintage > inspired fashions, and colors or styles which are "out" of > fashion/season I have just one question - why do I never meet people > like you in my "real", as opposed to online, life??? All my friends > and coworkers are real off the rack at Macys type people. Not that > dressing like the masses is bad - I just imagine that it would be more > fun with someone egging me on while I egged them on. Hmmmm...maybe you aren't hitting the right places after work? Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 20:37:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04460 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:37:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19409; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:53:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28427 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:50:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28417 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:50:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([208.255.166.225]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990913015006.XTP29082@worldnet.att.net> for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:50:06 +0000 Message-ID: <37DC5882.BC9DB2BF@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:50:58 -0700 From: Carolyn Richardson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WNS2.5 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carolyn Richardson MissMela@aol.com wrote: >Oh, Penny, one week after I saw you last, I spiral permed all that long > hair of mine and it's still that way. No more straight hair. My mother says I > refuse to grow up! Miss Mela Yes, but it looks lovely that way. Carolyn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 20:59:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05150 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:59:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21334; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:15:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01659 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:13:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from POP01 (mail.ex-pressnet.com [208.193.112.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01647 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:13:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alt1 - 24.239.14.77 by ex-pressnet.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:07:07 -0400 From: "Allison Thurman" To: Subject: H-COST: re:what costumers wear/was boring clothes Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:12:50 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Allison Thurman" hmm.. interesting thread. at work i wear fairly conservative black/white/grey, usually pants with sweaters or jackets, sometimes skirts. NEVER heels. at home i usually wear cargo pants/t shirts (yes, not exciting i know but when im puttering around the house/playing with my cats its really best). i only get creative when i leave the house with current sort of ex-raver cyberpunk look - lots of black with silver jewelry, but comfortable and with platform sneakers. purple highlights to the hair will be added soon. allison p.s. to the talahassee person looking for the more fashionable clothes - isnt the web great? _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 21:15:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05177 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:15:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22548; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03425 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:28:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03411 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:28:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Fopdejour1@aol.com Received: from Fopdejour1@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6OYVa00255 (4584) for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:27:57 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Tied on sleeves for Elizabethan? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Fopdejour1@aol.com In a message dated 9/11/99 11:09:55 PM !!!First Boot!!!, kristen.gee@linkpa.com writes: << Poster: "Kristen Gee" I think that my confusion about sleeves is mostly style-based. I've heard of 'french sleeves' and I've seen lots of different things in paintings of that time period, but there never seems to be one 'standard sleeve'. Is that because there were a lot of different styles? Or were sleeve styles 'trendy' and change frequently? That's my issue of confusion. I am going to the Pennsylvania RenFaire in Mt. Hope, PA. I am making the costume for a high school costume competition (I'm in high school) Kristen >> Kristen, In answer to your question (I am unlurking to answer this) Yes, tied in sleeves are VERY correct to use in an Elizabethan. As for the confusion on styles...well, I can certainly understand. Sleeves varied so much, not only from country to country, but from dress to dress. Sleeves were trendy indeed....that's one of the reasons they could be tied in. One can change the look of one's outfit by putting different sleeves on. There are some very general characteristics of nationalities adopting certain sleeve styles, like Spain and the numerous styles of hanging over-sleeves they adorned themselves with, but that wasn't something that was strictly "done" in Spain. There are so many portraits that have people mixing and matching componants of their dress, that you can put just about any style of sleeve with any type of dress ( I tought a class on this yesterday) Sleeves were limited only by the imagination and the abilities of the tailors of the time... Go for it!!!!! If you can get your hands on _Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd_, you will have a perfect reference as to the "styles" of sleeves. It is located in the Chapter titled "In Pursuit of Fashion." Here Ms. Arnold gives descriptions of what the different styles of dress looked like. Sleeves are almost always something that is mentioned as one of the defining componants of a type or style. As for a "French sleeve"...the French had a style of sleeve that had a very large padded roll at the shoulder (actually a part of the bodice) under which fitted, (Elizabeth of Valois by Alonso Sanchez Coello) semi-fitted (Armada portrait) sleeves were worn, or the sleeves of the chemise or partlet were shown (Unkown girl aged 21). In this case, the sleeves of the chemise or partlet were usually embroidered. hope this helps, Charles _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 21:31:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05195 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:31:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23938; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:47:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05049 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:44:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05043 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:44:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Fopdejour1@aol.com Received: from Fopdejour1@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6JMHa06600 (4584) for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5ff61dd0.250dbeeb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:43:55 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Boring clothes? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Fopdejour1@aol.com In a message dated 9/11/99 6:42:06 AM !!!First Boot!!!, carrie@greateralchemy.net writes: << So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? --Katharine Whisler >> In everyday life, I tend to be rather trendy...I love to wear Jeans, but all of them (11 pairs) are either Guess or Tommy Hilfiger (latest season). On shirts, I try to buy what ever is mod and in, but I'm less picky on name brands. When I dress up, i usually do the Docker--knit polo type shirt thing, or a trendy sports coat over a casual-type shirt. I detest ties with a passion. (Under no circumstances do I ever sew for my mundane dress needs) Fabric content is not even something I think about, I mean I bought the mosy awesome black rayon (suede look) long sleeve shirt. I can't wash it, and it does not breathe.....but it was so darn cool!!!!!! I think in historical clothing my tastes mirror, if not out do, those of my mundane clothing. I like to dress like I'm in court (read on display) often, though I do have plenty of heat-comfort aware clothing.....(should have seen the Greecian at Pennsic, I was glad I was so far from home). Here, fabric content is definitely something I think about. Interesting topic, Chas _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 22:03:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05255 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:03:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27163; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08759 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:16:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08748 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:16:18 -0600 (MDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6ETY5vX34_ (3990) for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <76408aab.250dc668@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:15:52 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: zoot suit pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Cheryldee@aol.com In a message dated 9/12/99 3:23:38 PM Mountain Daylight Time, cjcannon@greymists.com writes: << But the problem for me, Cheryl, and I suspect for a lot of others who buy patterns is--we don't yet know how to tailor. >> I'm sorry. I'm new to this list and am not yet aware of all of the various levels of skills. I'm not a professional tailor but have done my share of tailoring for period pieces for the theatre. I would be happy to answer questions and help anyway I can. Cheryl _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 22:28:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05274 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:28:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00560; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12015 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:42:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12008 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:42:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.154] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11QN0U-0005wv-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:42:19 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:40:32 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: zoot suit pattern In-Reply-To: <76408aab.250dc668@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 11:15 PM 09/12/1999 -0400, you wrote: -Poster: Cheryldee@aol.com >I'm sorry. I'm new to this list and am not yet aware of all of the various >levels of skills. I'm not a professional tailor but have done my share of >tailoring for period pieces for the theatre. I would be happy to answer >questions and help anyway I can. Cheryl Thank you very much. I appreciate and respect all of you who are so generous with your time, experience and skills. I'm learning something almost daily--in theory--and storing up things to apply/try with each new project. I just think occasionally that those who have the expertise in any arena need an occasional reminder that not everyone's at their level yet--and that includes me in my own specialties. :-) I certainly did not mean it to be only directed to you...although it was your post to which I replied. Again...thank you. I hope you'll enjoy the list...I surely do. -- Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 22:33:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05280 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:33:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01101; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:49:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12611 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:46:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12604 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:46:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shadow ([24.5.81.24]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990913034651.PBAP29344.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@shadow> for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:46:51 -0700 Message-ID: <37DC9DA6.60F4@home.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:45:58 -0700 From: Freya Organization: House Wolfholme X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Fasteners Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Freya A little late for delurking day, but here goes. We used to have an eyeleting machine and I'm looking for a replacement. It looked like an over-grown office stapler. It operated by placing the item to be eyeleted on the base and pulling down the lever. The little eyelet holder would then rotate and another eyelet would drop down into the track waiting for it's turn. I've been doing an increasing amount of grommeting but punching the holes with our rotery hole punch is too hard on my hands. Does anyone have a solution for either the hole punching or a source for an affordable eyeleting/grommeting machine. I hope that made sense. -- Freya Abair ach beag, is abair gu math e. Say but little, and say it well. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 23:02:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06139 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:02:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04404; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:17:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16041 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:15:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16035 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:15:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip203-11.cc.interlog.com [207.34.203.11]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA01510 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990910033132.00a0da00@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 03:31:32 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: Slashing (was: Thursday, 9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day) In-Reply-To: <19990909230038.79179.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, >Of course, if you take a look at some of the German paintings, and you >see the slashes from shoulder to waist, I would say that they would have >*had* to line them in some way. Actually there is a portrait of a Spanish lady with *large* slashes in her doublet & sleeves (Spanish round sleeves) They all have an edge of different colour/fabric - it's hard to tell the copy I have is in B&W. So I would say it's an option, just not common. The picture, I believe, is in the "Costume of the Western World Series - The Dominace of Spain". Cheers, Danielle - the semi-lurker _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 23:32:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06206 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:32:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07000; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:48:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19059 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:44:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19047 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:44:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990913044411.CWNJ22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:44:11 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:36:48 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: traumatized stories From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990913044411.CWNJ22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "R.L. Shep" When I was a kid during WWII my Dad had a factory making duffle bags and canvas water tanks for the troops in North. Africa. We had BIG sewing machines and they had BIG needles - remember that not only were they industrial but I was very young. I ran one of those for awhile. Scared s-less. Never again.. I have seen people who got in the way of one of those and had a needle go through their finger. I know it is irrationale when you think about present day home sewing machines but there is no way I will touch one. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: "Michelle" >To: >Subject: H-COST: traumatized stories >Date: Sun, Sep 12, 1999, 6:36 PM > > >-Poster: "Michelle" > > > >One of my friends accidentally sewed a teddy bear head to her thumb in 7th >grade home-ec. She has been terrified of sewing machines ever since and >just recently commented that she should get over it. She is about 35 years >old now. These things happen. > Michelle >>-Poster: "Vince Lyons" >> >>Had to add my story to the list of those who prefer handsewing. >>Until very recently I used to sew everything by hand because I was flat out >>terrified of sewing machines. >>As a girl during WWII my mother worked in a factory, sewing uniform pants >>for the troops. When I was growing up she told me the most gory stories >>about how she would try to sew so fast she'd sew straight through her >>finger, pause, take her little pair of pliers, pull the needle out of her >>finger, re-insert it into the machine and go back to work! >>It's a wonder I ever managed to pick up a needle of any sort! >> >>Kerrie, the hopelessly traumatised. ;-D >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 23:40:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06222 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:40:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07553; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19881 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:52:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bunyip.flash.net (bunyip.flash.net [209.30.6.15]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19875 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:52:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flash.net (p208.amax10.dialup.hou1.flash.net [209.30.66.208]) by bunyip.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20148 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:52:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37DC80F7.16B4C5AB@flash.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:43:35 -0500 From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Subject: H-COST: Elizabethan - military buttons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Charlene Charette I've once again come across the assertion that Elizabeth issued a royal command that military uniforms have a line of buttons on the sleeves to prevent soldiers from wiping their noses on their sleeves. I've seen this statement several times, but it's never been footnoted to track back to the original. Fact or folklore? If fact, where is it documented? Thanks, --Charlene -- If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 23:45:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06227 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:45:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08029; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20488 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:58:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20481 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:58:04 -0600 (MDT) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id ELDDCY2X; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:57:49 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:40:14 -0500 Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes/RED HAIR Message-ID: <19990912.235154.-435891.1.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-7 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com Well although my parents thought that I would be a red-head, I proved my contrary nature a became a deep ash blonde instead. I 'assist' the brightness of my hair with some lighter blonde color. But I haven't changed the essential color of my hair, I'm just too darn pale to go with any other shade (pale grey-blue eyes and translucent white skin- yes, I'm Northern European, why do you ask?) Karen (SPF 3000 is my friend) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 23:45:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06231 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:45:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08048; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:02:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20507 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:58:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20500 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:58:11 -0600 (MDT) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id ELDDCYZQ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:57:49 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:26:35 -0500 Subject: Re: H-COST: Tied on sleeves for Elizabethan? Message-ID: <19990912.235154.-435891.0.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 11-15,17-33 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com I can't remember where I heard the term right now, late after a long weekend, but the style is quite common int he early part of Elizabeth's reign, before the '80's. It is the short sleeve that comes down to mid-upper arm with a tight 'cuff' and a very full top. It then frequently has a corrdinating or contasting tight under sleeve which goes down to the wrist. you can frequently see this on surcoats. hang on a sec and I'll try to dig up some specific examples........"A Visual History of Costume" by Jane Ashelford pg 66 Unknown lady, 1560, pg. 72 Elizabet Roydon, Lady Golding 1563, pg. 80 Four ladies 1a: London Citizen's Wife 1570. If I was more awake I would dig further, but it just isn't gonna happen tonight. If you would like more examples, let me know and I'll dig them up tomorrow. Karen zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Margo Anderson writes: > > -Poster: Margo Anderson > > > >The early Elizabethan 'mahoitered' style of sleeve > > I've never heard this term. What is a mahoitered sleeve? > > margo > > "One Tough Costumer" > http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 23:50:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06237 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:50:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08599; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:06:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21010 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:02:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from marlo.eagle.ca (marlo.eagle.ca [206.186.242.10]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21003 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:02:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialin4.eagle.ca (dialin4.eagle.ca [206.186.242.251]) by marlo.eagle.ca (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA00310 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909130501.BAA00310@marlo.eagle.ca> X-Sender: mercury@eagle.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gothic Splendour Subject: H-COST: First Elizabethan Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Gothic Splendour Hello all- I'm putting on a fashion show at a local theatre with a "fashions through the last millenium" theme. I have a broad range of periods represented but would like to add an Elizabethan. This is one period I've never really studied much (in terms of costume construction)so I bought the much touted Simplicity pattern & it seems straight forward enough. My question is related to fabric choice & colour co-ordination. I'm thinking of a combination of crimson & dark aubergine or plum with silver accents. I'd like this dress to be fairly authentic, I'm not entering it in any competitions but I don't like doing all of the work to have something that is totally off target. I figure there are several main pieces to think about: overskirt, underskirt, bodice, sleeves. Was there any sort of rule, sleeves match underskirt or bodice matches underskirt...? Would a lady have worn a crimson dress? I'll be showing it with garnet/pearl jewellery so I figured I'd add pearls to the dress somewhere. Would these colours look strange with cream added in somewhere - maybe the sleeves? I read that satin is a good choice for the overskirt, would that be ok with a brocade underskirt? I'm looking forward to any ideas that you can offer. Thanks Elizabeth _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Sun Sep 12 23:59:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06246 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:59:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09225; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:15:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21798 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:09:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21793 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:09:29 -0600 (MDT) From: Fopdejour1@aol.com Received: from Fopdejour1@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6EFB0I6AdA (4584) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:08:52 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Tied on sleeves for Elizabethan? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Fopdejour1@aol.com In a message dated 9/13/99 5:02:06 AM !!!First Boot!!!, seamstrix@juno.com writes: << I can't remember where I heard the term right now, late after a long weekend, but the style is quite common int he early part of Elizabeth's reign, before the '80's. It is the short sleeve that comes down to mid-upper arm with a tight 'cuff' and a very full top. It then frequently has a corrdinating or contasting tight under sleeve which goes down to the wrist. you can frequently see this on surcoats. hang on a sec and I'll try to dig up some specific examples >> Sounds very much like what Janet Arnold points out as Flemish. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 00:20:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06262 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:20:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12079; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:36:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24305 for h-costume-outgoing; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:34:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24300 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:34:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Fopdejour1@aol.com Received: from Fopdejour1@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6IZNa16296 (4584) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:33:38 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: First Elizabethan To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Fopdejour1@aol.com In a message dated 9/13/99 5:06:08 AM !!!First Boot!!!, mercury@eagle.ca writes: << I'm thinking of a combination of crimson & dark aubergine or plum with silver accents. I'd like this dress to be fairly authentic, I'm not entering it in any competitions but I don't like doing all of the work to have something that is totally off target. I figure there are several main pieces to think about: overskirt, underskirt, bodice, sleeves. Was there any sort of rule, sleeves match underskirt or bodice matches underskirt...?<< If you are doing the Simplicty Patern 8881 Elizabethan, here's what I would suggest. It was very common that the bodice matched the overskirt...but that is nothing near a "rule." Sometimes the sleeves could match the underskirt, so the idea of doing so is feasible. There are portraits of Elizabeth with her sleeves matching her underskirt. (The Armada) Another idea would be to make the sleeves, bodice, and overskirt match. I've seen more examples of this. >>Would a lady have worn a crimson dress? I'll be showing it with garnet/pearl jewellery so I figured I'd add pearls to the dress somewhere. Would these colours look strange with cream added in somewhere - maybe the sleeves? I read that satin is a good choice for the overskirt, would that be ok with a brocade underskirt?<< Crimson, I think, would be a lovely choice of colour. Yes, they did indeed wear that color too....acording to very basic Elizabethan Costuming book Crimson (or blood red as I have always equated it with) was fashionably known as "sangyn." Satin was a period fabric, but "our" satins tend to get hot and wrinkly. My initial gut reaction was to do the opposite: I would put the brocade on the outside and the satin on the inside as the underskirt...decorated with trim and beading of course!!! That however is just my personal opinion....and opinions are like belly buttons, we've all got one. >>I'm looking forward to any ideas that you can offer. Thanks Elizabeth >> I wish you the best of luck on this. Elizabethan costuming is much fun. Charles _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 00:49:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06287 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:49:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13991; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:03:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26892 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:01:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from alpha.pbc.adelphia.net (alpha.pbc.adelphia.net [24.48.21.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26871 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:00:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from antiquity.pbc.adelphia.net (surf12-151-232.pbc.adelphia.net [24.48.151.232]) by alpha.pbc.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id CAA06597 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008201befdad$38ebce60$e8973018@pbc.adelphia.net> From: "Erica Pence" To: References: <19990912.235154.-435891.1.seamstrix@juno.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Costumer's boring clothes and red hair Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:00:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01BEFD8B.B0D6C820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Erica Pence" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BEFD8B.B0D6C820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All this talk of clothes has made me take a long look at my wardrobe. = Pathetic comes to mind...my clothes, that is. I dress boring. I live = in South Florida, casual capitol of the country, or so I tell myself. = Everything is casual here...work, nightlife, formal occasions. It's = horrible. I used to dress to the nine, always looking polished and = perfect with the latest trends strategically mixed with classics. I = wore rich autumn colors and lovely navies and reds. Sure I was = overdressed compared to most people, but I felt good about it. Now my = wardrobe consists of jeans, shorts, knit tops and an occasional = sundress. =20 Well, this discussion has inspired me to change this. Although I rarely = sew for myself (always too busy with other people's projects), I will = make an attempt to spend some time building a new, more exciting = wardrobe. I am actually starting to get excited about this idea. =20 As for red hair, mine is a natural golden blonde. Perfectly straight = and thick. I died it red a few months ago, but have decided to go back = to being a blonde. I, too, am very pale with slate blue eyes, but feel = I pulled off the red fairly well. I am just bored and would like to be = blonde again. Incidentally, I rarely burn, even with tan magnifier at = the beach. Weird, I know. As for historical flair, I think that I would like to add a touch of it = to my new wardrobe. Not sure how yet, but it certainly is a fresh idea = I've never even thought about. =20 Thanks to the poster who started this discussion. I think I am ready = for a wardrobe change. Erica Pence Robes of Antiquity www.robesofantiquity.com Online store coming soon! ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BEFD8B.B0D6C820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All this talk of clothes has made me take a long look at my = wardrobe. =20 Pathetic comes to mind...my clothes, that is.  I dress = boring.  I live=20 in South Florida, casual capitol of the country, or so I tell = myself. =20 Everything is casual here...work, nightlife, formal occasions.  = It's=20 horrible.  I used to dress to the nine, always looking polished and = perfect=20 with the latest trends strategically mixed with classics.  I wore = rich=20 autumn colors and lovely navies and reds.  Sure I was overdressed = compared=20 to most people, but I felt good about it.  Now my wardrobe consists = of=20 jeans, shorts, knit tops and an occasional sundress.  
 
Well, this discussion has inspired me to change=20 this.  Although I rarely sew for myself (always too busy with = other=20 people's projects), I will make an attempt to spend some time building a = new,=20 more exciting wardrobe.  I am actually starting to get excited = about this=20 idea. 
 
As for red hair, mine is a natural golden blonde.  Perfectly = straight=20 and thick.  I died it red a few months ago, but have decided to go = back to=20 being a blonde.  I, too, am very pale with slate blue eyes, but = feel I=20 pulled off the red fairly well.  I am just bored and would like to = be=20 blonde again.  Incidentally, I rarely burn, even with tan magnifier = at the=20 beach.  Weird, I know.
 
As for historical flair, I think that I would like to add a touch = of it to=20 my new wardrobe.  Not sure how yet, but it certainly is a fresh = idea I've=20 never even thought about. 
 
Thanks to the poster who started this discussion.  I think I = am ready=20 for a wardrobe change.
 
Erica Pence
Robes of Antiquity
www.robesofantiquity.com
= Online=20 store coming soon!
------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BEFD8B.B0D6C820-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 01:42:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06316 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:42:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16588; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:58:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01739 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:55:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from munich.ixos.de (HOST.31.95.ixos.de [149.235.31.95]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01727 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:55:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jacomo (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by munich.ixos.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04177 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:54:16 +0100 (WET DST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990912211712.00b8a400@pop.gmx.de> X-Sender: pompadour@gmx.li@pop.gmx.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:24:53 +0200 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pompadour Subject: Re: H-COST: re-pinking In-Reply-To: References: <37D9E4D3.6240@virgin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1057700==_.ALT" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Pompadour --=====================_1057700==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:49 AM 9/11/99 , you wrote: >these? Or, alternately, happen to have handy the recipes for gum >arabic/gum tragacanth? Carol i think i can tell you about arabicum. there's not much to it: it's just a white powder any good chemist's has in stock. you mix it with water until it's got the consistency you want; the only watch point is not to let lumps develop. it gives a wonderful, all-natural glue that dries as quickly as you like it, depending on how thick you make it. i've used it to glue drawings on a board for framing, and as contour liner for silk painting - wonderful for both. the drawback or andvantage (depending on what you use it for) is that it dissolves in water very easily. wash once and it's gone. salut, pompadour Yours, etc, Pompadour M.A. (Unseen University) AKA His Excellency, etc, the Minister of Silly Walks (Mrs) http://www.marquise.de webmaster@marquise.de --=====================_1057700==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 02:49 AM 9/11/99 , you wrote:
these?  Or, alternately, happen to have handy the recipes for gum
arabic/gum tragacanth?   Carol

i think i can tell you about arabicum. there's not much to it: it's just a white powder any good chemist's has in stock. you mix it with water until it's got the consistency you want; the only watch point is not to let lumps develop. it gives a wonderful, all-natural glue that dries as quickly as you like it, depending on how thick you make it. i've used it to glue drawings on a board for framing, and as contour liner for silk painting - wonderful for both. the drawback or andvantage (depending on what you use it for) is that it dissolves in water very easily. wash once and it's gone.

salut,
pompadour


Yours, etc, Pompadour M.A. (Unseen University) AKA
His Excellency, etc, the Minister of Silly Walks (Mrs)
http://www.marquise.de            webmaster@marquise.de --=====================_1057700==_.ALT-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 01:42:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06320 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:42:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16585; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:58:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01740 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:55:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from munich.ixos.de (HOST.31.95.ixos.de [149.235.31.95]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01726 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:55:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jacomo (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by munich.ixos.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04184 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:54:18 +0100 (WET DST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990912213945.00b627a0@pop.gmx.de> X-Sender: pompadour@gmx.li@pop.gmx.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:48:25 +0200 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pompadour Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing w/o a maid: In-Reply-To: <37DAAA76.6969@wireweb.net> References: <19990911190745.20500.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1057811==_.ALT" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Pompadour --=====================_1057811==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:16 PM 9/11/99 , you wrote: > > This brings up a good question... I have a great > > corset that I would *love* to wear more often, but the > > only one around to help me lace it is my boyfriend who > > won't do it... any suggestions on how to lace it by > > yourself? my corsets are all 17th/18th century... one i've made to lace in front; for those that lace in back i've bought satin ribbon 15 ft long so that i can easily pull them over my head. however, there's a better method, and i could have thought of it earlier as that is similar how i put on my bras: i put it on backwards, the shoulder straps un-tied, and thread the laces through the holes with a large blunt needle. then i turn the corset round and pull the straps tight reaching behind me... well, i guess that latter part won't work in a couple year's time anymore... being laced in by someone else certainly achieves a closer fit most of the time. at least i know that front-lacing cosets existed in the 18th-20th century. salut, pompadour Yours, etc, Pompadour M.A. (Unseen University) AKA His Excellency, etc, the Minister of Silly Walks (Mrs) http://www.marquise.de webmaster@marquise.de --=====================_1057811==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 09:16 PM 9/11/99 , you wrote:

> This brings up a good question... I have a great
> corset that I would *love* to wear more often, but the
> only one around to help me lace it is my boyfriend who
> won't do it... any suggestions on how to lace it by
> yourself?

my corsets are all 17th/18th century... one i've made to lace in front; for those that lace in back i've bought satin ribbon 15 ft long so that i can easily pull them over my head. however, there's a better method, and i could have thought of it earlier as that is similar how i put on my bras: i put it on backwards, the shoulder straps un-tied, and thread the laces through the holes with a large blunt needle. then i turn the corset round and pull the straps tight reaching behind me... well, i guess that latter part won't work in a couple year's time anymore... being laced in by someone else certainly achieves a closer fit most of the time.
at least i know that front-lacing cosets existed in the 18th-20th century.

salut,
pompadour



Yours, etc, Pompadour M.A. (Unseen University) AKA
His Excellency, etc, the Minister of Silly Walks (Mrs)
http://www.marquise.de            webmaster@marquise.de --=====================_1057811==_.ALT-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 02:05:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA10007 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:05:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18860; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03687 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:19:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03674 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:19:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.148] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11QQOl-0004ko-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:19:36 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:17:50 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: re-pinking In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990912211712.00b8a400@pop.gmx.de> References: <37D9E4D3.6240@virgin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id BAA03678 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 09:24 PM 09/12/1999 +0200, you wrote: i think i can tell you about arabicum. ... ... the drawback or andvantage (depending on what you use it for) is that it dissolves in water very easily. wash once and it's gone. salut, pompadour Yours, etc, Pompadour M.A. (Unseen University) AKA His Excellency, etc, the Minister of Silly Walks (Mrs.) http://www.marquise.de webmaster@marquise.de Mme. de Pompadour, thank you so much for your clear and concise response. Your whole signature 'package' makes me think you would be well worth getting acquainted with. :-) I have been told that both gums are from tree saps and as such do not have recipes for preparation, beyond what you have written--which, I suppose, makes me a bit off a sap, for wondering, but I truly did not know and am glad I now do, so that I do not regret having asked. Again, my thanks. Carol, aka: Gráinne ingen Domnaill Ildánaig, in the SCA, Inc. [GiDI, not for nothing...] _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 03:40:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA03446 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 03:40:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23140; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10665 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:54:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA10658 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:54:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by shared1-mail.whowhere.com; Mon Sep 13 01:53:42 1999 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:53:42 -0700 From: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: H-COST: traumatized stories X-Sender-Ip: 199.44.36.160 Organization: email.women.com (http://www.emailwomen.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:36:48 R.L. Shep wrote: > >-Poster: "R.L. Shep" We had BIG sewing >machines and they had BIG needles - remember that not only were they >industrial but I was very young. I ran one of those for awhile. Scared >s-less. Never again.. My father used to make historic flags for movies when he was in his mid-20's living in LA. So HE had a huge sewing maching...the thing must weigh 100lbs, I can't move it, all though it is "portable" there is a place where a handle goes. Once many years ago (before me) someone broke into his office at the company and came through the ceiling...falling onto the machine got so mad they through it out the window on the 4th floor.., all it did was crack the top of the case. It must be cast iron is all I can think. It has normal needles in it, but it can sew anything, hard leather, plastic tarping, rough matte board. lol We've run everything imaginable through it. It's Tan and the foot release goes **!!BANG!!** when you move it, LOL. I'm not traumatized by this machine but I did see a person (who was barrowing it) run the whole side of their pointer finger through it. Sad state of affairs. I perfer to hand sew myself, but not because I'm afraid. I do it because I seem to not be abl! e to get control of the thing. it's like a wild mustang or something, one spur(push of the peddle) and it goes a million miles a minute, sucking the fabric through with a "chug-chug-chug" noise that's as loud as a vacuume. LOL I hand sew because if I used the machine I would have a mass of fabric sewn together in an incomprehensible pile of straight lines and bunches, with the occassional rip where I tried to wrestle the fabric away fromt he machine. --- Ginnaphure ICQ# 41340093 "Last time we mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the stake." Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 04:23:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04365 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 04:23:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24086; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 03:25:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29222 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 03:23:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28818 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 03:23:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from netspace.net.au.netspace.net.au (dialup-t2-199.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.192.199]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id TAA21928; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:22:05 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199909130922.TAA21928@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: , Subject: H-COST: Ranting against fashion idiots Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:08:01 +1000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Christopher Ballis" Okay, okay, that's it, I've had enough... In a recent TV current affairs show on spring fashion, the designer applauded hats as a great way to finish off an outfit and look smart. No &*%$#!! mention of why one wears a hat: protection! They are all very delighted with thier chic choices of basic black or basic white. Boring says me, someone ought to buy 'em a box of crayons - a big box with lotsa colours. And what the hell is this with women's trousers? They are being made with flat-fall fronts, you know, the type of button-up flap used mostly in the 17th & 18th centuries and very convenient when you have male plumbing. Note, MALE plumbing. Sheesh! Okay, got it out of my system. See yas. -C. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 04:24:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04375 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 04:24:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24346; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 03:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20234 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 03:33:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.144]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20048 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 03:33:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.235.124]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19990913092904.JBCF2782.mta3-svc@LOCALNAME> for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:29:04 +0100 Message-ID: <37DD29E6.627@virgin.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:44:22 -0700 From: Dawn Organization: ages of elegance www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN712-000 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: 'Strapt' shirts, c. 1778 References: <19990912213746Z70859-19275+35@smtp1.telusplanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dawn Angela Gottfred wrote: > > -Poster: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) > > "R.L. Shep" wrote: > >...I would suggest that you look > at a very simple answer - *strapt* is after all a form of *strapped* and it > might well mean that they were *strapped together in a bundle*. < > > Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm pretty confident that it's not the > meaning, because of my experience with many other inventory lists for the > HBC. It would be highly unusual for the method of packing to be given on an > inventory list. The inventory for 1776 lists 10 "white strapt" shirts (and > no other kind), the 1777 inventory gives 10 "white strapt" shirts and 6 > "check strapt" shirts, and the 1778 inventory has 4 "cotton striped" shirts, > 6 "white strapt" shirts, and 2 "check Plain" shirts. > Thanks, too, for the contact information on Gail Cariou--I'll forward my > question to her. > > Your obliged & obedient servant, > Angela Gottfred > agottfre@telusplanet.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME Just a thought but I can't think of an explanation either. Does the strapping refer to the reinforcing shoulder bands that are starting to be used around the late 18thc perhaps they were also called straps? Dawn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 06:04:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04490 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:04:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28536; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:20:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12321 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:18:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (smtp@wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA12311 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:18:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pm9-06.wmbg.widomaker.com ([209.96.179.71] helo=widomaker.com) by wilma.widomaker.com with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 11QU7a-00014M-00; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:18:07 -0400 Message-ID: <37DCDCED.532D8646@widomaker.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:15:57 -0400 From: Su Carter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume , RevList Subject: H-COST: re: 'Strapt' shirts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Su Carter Angela Gottfred said: Can someone help me untangle this one? On a list of English trading goods sent to the Hudson's Bay Company's Cumberland House post in 1777 (Rich 1:362-363), I found the following items of clothing: "Shirts white strapt/Shirts check strapt" For the same post in 1778, there are "Shirts cotton striped/Shirts white Strapt/Shirts check Plain" In both lists, the "white strapt" shirts are the most common. I haven't a clue what they are, though. I've seen shirts and other items of clothing on many inventory lists for the 1774-1821 period and most of them make sense, but this has me stumped. The editor of another journal of an HBC post c. 1790 interpreted "Shirts SS" as "shoulder strap" shirts, which I'd never heard of. (I figured it probably meant swanskin shirts--which I'd seen elsewhere--until now.) Any suggestions are welcome. ----------------------------------- Angela, I've been mulling this one over. I'm certainly no expert on shirts but I do know that the extra piece set on the shoulder line shows up somewhere in the 18c. I'd call it a strap but would they? I've checked _Workwoman's Guide_ (1838) and she certainly does. That reminded me of _Instructions for Cutting out Apparel for the Poor_ (1789) and there they are again. I'm under the impression they're being used in the 1770s in the colonies but I'll ask around. My hunch is that you're looking at a transition period between strapt and not, where some people (younger? more up-to-date?) assume them and others (older? more traditional?) don't. If you can check earlier inventories it might be interesting to see how early the 'strapt' shows up. Or, does it disappear later? Or is it a French/English difference? Maybe the French don't use them or always did. Good hunting, Su _ Su Carter scarter@widomaker.com Williamsburg, Virginia _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 06:36:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05301 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:36:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29810; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:53:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14734 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:50:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14728 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:50:39 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6PDSa28682 (8036) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <241f9c29.250e3eef@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:50:07 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Ranting against fashion idiots To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbertCat@aol.com In a message dated 09/13/1999 5:25:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stilskin@netspace.net.au writes: << And what the hell is this with women's trousers? They are being made with flat-fall fronts, you know, the type of button-up flap used mostly in the 17th & 18th centuries and very convenient when you have male plumbing. Note, MALE plumbing. >> Now I'm miffed! Back after I finished working on "Interview with the Vamp." I adapted some patterns for sale in a friends custom design shop. Pants & jodhpurs for women with half fall fronts! Not one sold. I gave them to my cousins for Christmas. One lives in London & one in Geneva. They get raves about them all the time, so I'm told, but over here on this side of the pond....couldn't sell 'em! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 07:38:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05391 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:38:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04213; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:54:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20201 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:50:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20191 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:50:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6UES0zZpCc (4416) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <59421cab.250e4d06@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:50:14 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: uniquely you To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com What Margo said. I got mine a couple of years ago from Joann Fabrics for $99. The sale price might have gone up since then, but it's definitely less than $200. And the customer service is very good -- obviously those things don't fit every body exactly, and they will tell you how to pad yours (they're skinny) to get the right shape , if you call. Gail Finke still working on padding mine _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 07:39:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05395 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:39:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04173; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:54:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20001 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:48:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19992 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:48:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6WNVa06597 (4416) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2970bb15.250e4c7e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:47:58 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: zoot suit pants To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com Cheryl: Wow, someone who knows how to do this! My husband needs some "zootish" (how's that for a word) pants for mid-October. He has some wide-topped pegged pants from a store, but they are not good enough. I was thinking of using the Simplicity pattern to make him some (the jacket is just beyond me; that's what I was trying to say in my pattern review -- it definitely needs all the things you said). My question is . . . I have never made anything for a man that wasn't medieval, and I've never sewn trousers at all. I have done all kinds of tricky shapes and gussets, drafted myself, for medieval clothes -- but I am sort of cowed by a men's commercial pattern (with a zipper!) that I might have to alter. This will definitely be a costume, but it needs to look pretty "real" to people who are used to seeing real suit pants, and it will be seen close up. Anyway, are men's pants difficult for someone who can follow a pattern? Or are they hard? Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 07:44:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05413 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:44:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04667; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20746 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:56:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA20736 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:56:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990913130026.15801.rocketmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.247.217.34] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:00:26 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Toney Subject: Re: H-COST: Costumer's boring clothes and red hair To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sarah Toney Gee... I thought all costumers had flamboyant wardrobes! I had to go out and buy jeans and t-shirts after a co-worker suggested I "tone down" my wardrobe a bit... lots of poet shirts and princess dresses... all made by me, of course. ;-) > Hmmmmmm... I think I missed the beginning of the "red" conversation... I have had red "hair from a bottle" since I was 13... different shades and intensities... I am naturally blonde and I found that being young in the professional world and female, the blonde didn't help me at all... so, I died my hair... (I'm the manager of an accounts receivable department at the age of 21)... I burn like all heck... 15 minutes and I am in pain for a week! I once got 2nd degree burns from falling asleep on the beach and was ill forever... thus, I wear hats... Sarah > As for red hair, mine is a natural golden blonde. > Perfectly straight and thick. I died it red a few > months ago, but have decided to go back to being a > blonde. I, too, am very pale with slate blue eyes, > but feel I pulled off the red fairly well. I am > just bored and would like to be blonde again. > Incidentally, I rarely burn, even with tan magnifier > at the beach. Weird, I know. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 07:50:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05423 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:50:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05192; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:06:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21339 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:02:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA21333 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:02:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990913130616.28491.rocketmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.247.217.34] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:06:16 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:06:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Toney Subject: Re: H-COST: Costumers dress/red hair To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sarah Toney > absolutely nothing! Red hair simply does not go with > wine, plum, or fuchsia - some of my favorite colors! > So while red hair is in I'm trying desperately to > get rid of mine. :) > Oh, I must disagree here... I wear more wine and plum colours than any others save black... though my hair is not the "strawberry blonde" that seems so popular... more of a very dark coppery colour. Sarah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 07:52:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05430 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:52:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05408; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:08:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21616 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:04:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21608 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:04:39 -0600 (MDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6HJYa28698 (4452) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9221e1a9.250e5034@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:03:48 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: zoot suit pants To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 27 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Cheryldee@aol.com In a message dated 9/13/99 6:55:07 AM Mountain Daylight Time, Gaelscot@aol.com writes: << Anyway, are men's pants difficult for someone who can follow a pattern? Or are they hard? >> My suggestion is that you consult the Vogue, Simplicity, Butterick, etc. guides to men's tailoring. Step by step details on how to do men's flys (flies?). Thats definitely the tricky part. Remember that in the 40's you could still find button flies as well as zippers. So you have a choice of closures. I have found that the tailoring books usually answer any questions that I might have. Important to use good strong belting in the waistband, metal trouser zipper in the fly if that's how you're going. Hand baste zipper before machine. Be careful matching your stripes into chevrons at inseam, if you're using pinstripes. Suspender buttons, not clip ons, for authenticity. Good luck! Cheryl _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 07:55:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05434 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:55:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05728; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:11:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21838 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:06:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA21833 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:06:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990913131042.29031.rocketmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.247.217.34] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:10:42 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:10:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Toney Subject: Re: H-COST: Handsewing question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sarah Toney I think I can understand this... I use and old industrial sewing machine because I have found I have far less trouble with it than I do with my brand new singer... it just handles the materials I work with better (I use very heavy materials most of the time)... I have sewn my finger several times, though... It's amazing what those machines can do! I will say that every time I have done this it was due to my lack of attention... I tend to carry on conversations while I sew and I like to make eye contact when I talk, so I tend not to be looking at my material... (*bad Sarah.... bad, bad*)... All in all I think if you are careful, you aren't very likely to hurt yourself... and it saves *tons* of time... of course, if you are going for the complete authenticity thing, please by all means, keep hand sewing... I think people who have the patience to hand sew things are wonderful... I for one am not that person! Sarah --- Vince Lyons wrote: > > -Poster: "Vince Lyons" > > Had to add my story to the list of those who prefer > handsewing. > Until very recently I used to sew everything by hand > because I was flat out > terrified of sewing machines. > As a girl during WWII my mother worked in a factory, > sewing uniform pants > for the troops. When I was growing up she told me > the most gory stories > about how she would try to sew so fast she'd sew > straight through her > finger, pause, take her little pair of pliers, pull > the needle out of her > finger, re-insert it into the machine and go back to > work! > It's a wonder I ever managed to pick up a needle of > any sort! > > Kerrie, the hopelessly traumatised. ;-D > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 07:57:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05438 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:57:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05979; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:13:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22143 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:09:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA22136 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:09:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990913131339.18132.rocketmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.247.217.34] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:13:39 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:13:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Toney Subject: Re: H-COST: Lacing w/o a maid: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sarah Toney Thank you all for your advice! I shall try... my biggest problem has always been that my corsets trim a good 7 or 8 inches off of my bust, which is tough to achieve by one's self... I do like the door handle approach as well as the others. Thanks bunches! Sarah > > > > This brings up a good question... I have a great > > > corset that I would *love* to wear more often, > but the > > > only one around to help me lace it is my > boyfriend who > > > won't do it... any suggestions on how to lace it > by > > > yourself? > > my corsets are all 17th/18th century... one i've > made to lace in front; for > those that lace in back i've bought satin ribbon 15 > ft long so that i can > easily pull them over my head. however, there's a > better method, and i > could have thought of it earlier as that is similar > how i put on my bras: i > put it on backwards, the shoulder straps un-tied, > and thread the laces > through the holes with a large blunt needle. then i > turn the corset round > and pull the straps tight reaching behind me... > well, i guess that latter > part won't work in a couple year's time anymore... > being laced in by > someone else certainly achieves a closer fit most of > the time. > at least i know that front-lacing cosets existed in > the 18th-20th century. > > salut, > pompadour > > > > Yours, etc, Pompadour M.A. (Unseen University) AKA > His Excellency, etc, the Minister of Silly Walks > (Mrs) > http://www.marquise.de > webmaster@marquise.de __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 08:17:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05491 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:17:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07845; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:32:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24284 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:28:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from colquitt.sccsi.com (darren.bolding.org [207.90.208.114] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24274 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:28:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.54.227.65] ([209.207.57.61]) by colquitt.sccsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07079 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:28:17 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: melanie@pop.faucet.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909130501.BAA00310@marlo.eagle.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:27:10 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: H-COST: First Elizabethan Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Melanie Schuessler >-Poster: Gothic Splendour > >I'm putting on a fashion show at a local theatre with a "fashions through >the last millenium" theme. I have a broad range of periods represented but >would like to add an Elizabethan.<...> I'd like this dress to be fairly >authentic, I'm not >entering it in any competitions but I don't like doing all of the work to >have something that is totally off target. Though I think your concerns about color choices have been addressed, I would like to respectfully suggest some other things you might want to do if you'd like this to be fairly authentic. I don't have the pattern (because I make my own), but I looked it up on the Simplicity website because I remembered seeing it and wondering where they got the style. It is something of a mixture, with large flared sleeves from early in the century and a skirt gathered/pleated at the top from later in the century and a neckline from the next century. If you'd like to do a style from, say, the 1540s, you could use the sleeves (though the undersleeves need to be bigger--check out some of the early portraits of Elizabeth as princess). If you'd like to do, say 1575, you could use the skirt (adding a bum roll would help) but would need to make the sleeves in a different style. Recent discussions have touched on several good options. For just about any time in the 16th century, the neckline should be square, not round, and fairly low. If you're doing all this, and you're determined about authenticity, you might as well reshape the bodice (which is probably patterned to be worn over a bra) so that it's flat in front and bone it so you get the proper shape. I hope this doesn't sound like the "authenticity police." This is my favorite period! Feel free to email me if you'd like more specifics. Melanie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 08:31:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05506 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:31:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09630; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26553 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:43:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26503; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:43:27 -0600 (MDT) From: SAQUEEN@aol.com Received: from SAQUEEN@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id hZWW0AyYwj (3961); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:42:50 EDT Subject: H-COST: Estate Buying To: costumedc@onelist.com, h-costume@indra.com, vintage@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: SAQUEEN@aol.com Dear All, The Washington Post has an interesting 3 page ad in today's edition. "Buying -- 6 Days Only -- Instant Cash for All" and then a list of desired items: Jewelry, watches, coins & precious metals, gem stones, war relics, historical documents, stocks & bonds, sterling & silver, guns, old toys, lady's items and more". Big sections on clothes and jewelry. Anybody in the Washington DC area that wants to sell historic fashion items might want to check it out. To the list: have you seen this kind of ad in your area? Sally Calendar 2000: Historic Fashions Turning the Centuries http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 08:39:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05513 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:39:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10432; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:55:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27720 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:51:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (smtp@wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27683 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:51:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.96.178.16] by wilma.widomaker.com with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for h-costume@indra.com id 11QWVe-0006aD-00; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:51:06 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990913134752.0074abb0@widomaker.com> X-Sender: rcarnegie@widomaker.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:47:52 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: H-COST: Helpful Pets Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Ron Carnegie I have three ferrets, and I do not recommend them as "helpful" costuming pets. They are far to fond of tunneling around in the fabric. Cheers, Ron Carnegie rcarnegie@widomaker.com ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 08:54:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05531 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:54:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11888; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:10:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00315 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:06:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00306 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:06:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-62-155.s155.tnt2.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.62.155]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA29348 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008501befdf0$d0c4f660$9b3eaccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <19990912.235154.-435891.1.seamstrix@juno.com> <008201befdad$38ebce60$e8973018@pbc.adelphia.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Costumer's boring clothes and red hair Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:03:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01BEFDCF.4713F360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BEFDCF.4713F360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Although I rarely sew for myself (always too busy with other people's = projects), I will make an attempt to spend some time >building a new, = more exciting wardrobe. I am actually starting to get excited about = this idea. =20 Erica, You poor dear, if you ever come to Virginia, we'll go shopping at the = thrift and vintage stores. I blend a lot of historic silhouette's with = modern clothes and come up with whole new looks. You can add a drop = waist here or there, a little of Dior's New Look, what ever suits you. = I have two sisters in Bradenton Florida, one is a dresser. Where do you = live? She too, loves to hit the thrift stores and change her "looks". = Last time I saw her she was mixing Victorian with modern clothing. My = other sister is always dressed up and matched to a tee. My son recently = went to visit my sisters and came back with a "new look". They took him = shopping all the time. I guess being able to "make do" with what you = have comes naturally to us. I have four sisters and we swapped clothes = all the time. So it looked like we had a lot of clothes, but we really = didn't. Now, I am a clothes horse, with two bulging closets. I never = get rid of anything. I have one black dress that I can create twenty = different looks with. =20 It is hard when your creativity gets stale. Watch "Style" cable = channel and their old runway shows. I pick up bits and pieces of = fashion ideas from them. I have heard that a lot of people living in = Florida have fashion problems because of the year round warm weather. = Think about this... I love to watch the "Golden Girls" reruns. Not that = the show was that great, but the costume designer did a great job of = creating the four different styles for four women in a Florida = environment. The same is true for the show "Designing Women" set in = Atlanta, another warm city. =20 Personal style changes as you change. How you feel about yourself is = reflected in fashion from the clothes you wear, to your home, and your = car. Compare the style of clothes you wore as a teenager to your = present style. Think about you felt about yourself at each time. We = all float back and forth from being conservative to being bold in = fashion. =20 A pet peeve of mine is to see the big name designers on television. = Their look is so depressing. They create these wonderful designs but = the designers seem to all dress in black jackets. Gee, if you create a = new look for the world have confidence enough to wear some of it.=20 If any of you are interested, there is a new email list on onelist = called RUNWAY. It is run by a reporter who is in NYC this week for = fashion week. He is reporting to the list all day long about what he = is seeing on the runways. All you need to do is go to www.onelist.com = and sign up to the RUNWAY list. I read his first report this morning, = it is pretty good.=20 There is also another wonderful list at onelist called Wearableart. = The lady who runs this keeps up with current fashion and places articles = and fashion links on the list. She also scans newspapers and magazines, = and gives trend reports. There is not a whole lot of talk about = wearable art but this sector of our industry is the cutting edge. So = they keep up with all the latest fashions. =20 Catch you all later... Penny ********************************* Deadline for the Online Costume Ball is Sept. 21, = http://www.costumegallery.com/Costume_Ball/99/attend.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BEFDCF.4713F360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>Although I rarely sew for myself (always too busy with other = people's=20 projects), I will make an attempt to spend some time >building a = new, more=20 exciting wardrobe.  I am actually starting to get excited about = this=20 idea. 
 
Erica,
 
You poor dear, if you ever come to Virginia, we'll = go=20 shopping at the thrift and vintage stores.  I blend a lot of = historic=20 silhouette's with modern clothes and come up with whole new = looks.  You=20 can add a drop waist here or there, a little of Dior's New Look, what = ever=20 suits you.  I have two sisters in Bradenton = Florida, one is a=20 dresser.  Where do you live? She too, loves to hit the = thrift stores=20 and change her "looks". Last time I saw her she was mixing Victorian = with=20 modern clothing.  My other sister is always dressed up and = matched to a=20 tee.  My son recently went to visit my sisters and came back with = a "new look".  They took him shopping all the time.  I = guess=20 being able to "make do" with what you have comes naturally to = us.  I have=20 four sisters and we swapped clothes all the time.  So it looked = like we=20 had a lot of clothes, but we really didn't.  Now, I am a clothes = horse,=20 with two bulging closets. I never get rid of anything.  I = have one=20 black dress that I can create twenty different looks with.  =
 
It is hard when your creativity gets stale.  = Watch=20 "Style" cable channel and their old runway shows.  I pick up bits = and=20 pieces of fashion ideas from them.  I have heard that a lot of = people=20 living in Florida have fashion problems because of the year round warm = weather.  Think about this... I love to watch the "Golden Girls"=20 reruns.  Not that the show was that great, but the costume = designer did a=20 great job of creating the four different styles for four women in = a=20 Florida environment.  The same is true for the show "Designing = Women" set=20 in Atlanta, another warm city.  
 
Personal style changes as you = change.  How you=20 feel about yourself is reflected in fashion from the clothes you = wear, to=20 your home, and  your car.  Compare the style of clothes = you=20 wore as a teenager to your present style.  Think about you felt = about=20 yourself at each time.  We all float back and forth from being=20 conservative to being bold in fashion. 
 
A pet peeve of mine is to see the big name = designers on=20 television.  Their look is so depressing.  They create these = wonderful designs but the designers seem to all dress in black = jackets. =20 Gee, if you create a new look for the world have confidence enough to = wear=20 some of it. 
 
If any of you are interested, there is a new email = list on=20 onelist called RUNWAY.  It is run by a reporter who is in NYC = this week=20 for fashion week.   He is reporting to the list all day long = about what he is seeing on the runways.  All you need = to do is=20 go to www.onelist.com and sign = up to the=20 RUNWAY list.  I read his first report this morning, it is = pretty=20 good. 
 
There is also another wonderful list at onelist = called=20 Wearableart.  The lady who runs this keeps up with current = fashion and=20 places articles and fashion links on the list.  She also scans = newspapers=20 and magazines, and gives trend reports.  There is not a whole lot = of talk=20 about wearable art but this sector of our industry is the = cutting=20 edge.  So they keep up with all the latest fashions.=20   
 
Catch you all later... Penny
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Deadline for the Online Costume Ball is Sept. 21, = http://= www.costumegallery.com/Costume_Ball/99/attend.htm
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BEFDCF.4713F360-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 08:58:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05535 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:58:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12419; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01043 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:10:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01037 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:10:57 -0600 (MDT) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id ELECXSW6; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:09:51 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: ICG-L@lists.best.com, h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:55:08 -0500 Subject: Re: H-COST: Ranting against fashion idiots Message-ID: <19990913.090428.-312811.0.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-9 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com Well, I don't know about fashion idiots, but I did find something for sale at Marshall Field's (big, expensive department store in Chicago, like Harrod's) that I never thought I would see. You know how they say that all fashion will come back at some point? There were a few styles that I thought were long gone into the Middle Ages. Wrong. I found an early medieval hood on sale in the juniors department. It had a hood and attached capelet, no liripipe. I almost burst out laughing. It was for sale right along with all the trendy teeny-bopper clothing. Was this a fluke or has medieval really come back as a fashion influence with teens? Karen _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 09:26:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05577 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:26:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15858; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:42:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06621 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:38:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA06610 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:38:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990913144230.4174.rocketmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.247.217.34] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:42:30 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:42:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Toney Subject: H-COST: Medieval Teens To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sarah Toney Yes, it really has come back... I have been attacked by my three younger sisters who are still in high school begging me to make them "ren" clothes for school... Corsets, bodices, pouffy sleeves, slashed sleeves... they love it! Of course, it still looks a little silly with the "Kool-Aid hair" that seems to be sticking around among the high schoolers... Sarah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 09:50:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05611 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:50:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19231; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:06:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12203 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:02:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from alpha.pbc.adelphia.net (alpha.pbc.adelphia.net [24.48.21.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12196 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from antiquity.pbc.adelphia.net (surf12-150-207.pbc.adelphia.net [24.48.150.207]) by alpha.pbc.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA01342 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005301befdf8$d6094100$cf963018@pbc.adelphia.net> From: "Erica Pence" To: References: <19990913144230.4174.rocketmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Medieval Teens Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:01:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01BEFDD7.4AAE85A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Erica Pence" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BEFDD7.4AAE85A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <> I agree. But it's not just "ren" clothes. You should see the prom = orders I get...Titanic, Elizabethan, Restoration and of course, = Renaissance. Not accurate, but having that flair. If you can find an = older simplicity catalog, you can see what they pushed for prom....some = were actually "costumes". I don't know what they wear at school, but = with all these historical movies (Titanic, Ever After, Shakespeare in = Love, etc.), there is definitely a sudden interest in historical attire. = =20 Erica Pence Robes of Antiquity www.robesofantiquity.com Online store coming soon! ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BEFDD7.4AAE85A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<<Yes, it really has come back... I have been=20 attacked
by my three younger sisters who are still in high
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school...  Corsets, bodices, = pouffy=20 sleeves, slashed
sleeves... they love it!  >>
 
I agree.  But it's not just "ren" clothes.  You should = see the=20 prom orders I get...Titanic, Elizabethan, Restoration and of course,=20 Renaissance.  Not accurate, but having that flair.  If you can = find an=20 older simplicity catalog, you can see what they pushed for prom....some = were=20 actually "costumes".  I don't know what they wear at school, but = with all=20 these historical movies (Titanic, Ever After, Shakespeare in Love, = etc.), there=20 is definitely a sudden interest in historical attire. 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BEFDD7.4AAE85A0-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 10:12:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05624 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:12:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22659; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:28:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17356 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:24:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (IDENT:root@sm0101.promedia.net [209.160.170.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17347 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:24:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from j9g8x8 (ppp-209-160-171-241.01.promedia.net [209.160.171.241]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA08957 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:24:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000501befdfc$5973cda0$f1aba0d1@j9g8x8> From: "Broneske" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: re:what costumers wear/was boring clothes Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:26:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Broneske" Okay, I'm going to date myself here terribly, but what exactly is an "Ex-raver cyberpunk"? (I try to keep up with these things, I really do, but this one escapes me) I have become horribly boring clotheswise since getting married and having kids. Plus I hate anything that is "restricting" like tight jeans or shorts, etc. I mostly wear jeans, sweats, etc. in the cold months and in the summer, shorts, tank tops or longer summer dresses. When I was younger I spent considerable amounts on clothes, but now I'm lucky I buy clothes once a year, and then its the cheap stuff at Target or Wal-Mart. None of that mall stuff.....I have other things I would rather spend my money on ;) Since I work at home, I don't have to worry about dressing up in a monkey suit every day to go to the office (thank God) and I absolutely detest pantyhose. I also hate this recent rash of "polyester" that is in all the stores. It makes me cringe to even look at it, let alone touch it. So, basically I go for comfort rather than style. Joan Broneske unicorn@softcom.net @-->---------------- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 10:22:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05630 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:22:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24417; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:38:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19945 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:34:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19937 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id IAA01649; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DD19EC.81751297@serv.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:36:12 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Wool Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > I think that wools weren't commonly heavily fulled till the 14th C > -- properly felt was made from unspun wool. I suspect that fulled wool was in period long before the 14th century. I'll try to remember to ask the fulling expert in our Barony. > Kristin--So gabardine is a heavily fulled wool? I don't spin and > don't know nearly enough about textiles. I appreciate every bit of help I > get to learn...thank you in advance. Carol Gabardine is not a fulled wool but a very fine weave. My dictionary says that it is a worsted cotton, wool, or rayon twill cloth. Don't know what they might have called it in the 14th century but twill weaves are certainly appropriate for that time. Very appropriate in fact. > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 10:25:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05644 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:25:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25117; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20741 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:37:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail1-1.bctel.ca (mail1-1.bctel.ca [207.194.28.69]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20733 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:37:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bc.sympatico.ca (clwk01m01-44.bctel.ca [209.52.192.44]) by mail1-1.bctel.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA00466 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DD1A42.94A1E4D5@bc.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:37:38 -0700 From: Marilyn Warren Organization: Crone's Sewing Circle and Terrorist Society X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Costumer's boring clothes and red hair References: <19990912.235154.-435891.1.seamstrix@juno.com> <008201befdad$38ebce60$e8973018@pbc.adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Marilyn Warren My hair is naturally red which is now going grey. Have to decide about dying (hair) soon. I have very pale skin and grey/blue eyes. My clothing is not only boring, it is pathetic. Sigh. Morgan Crawford of Shrewsbury, aka Marilyn Warren _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 11:24:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05737 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:24:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04610; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:39:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06409 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:36:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06402 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:36:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p38.directcon.net [206.170.184.137]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10130 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909131635.JAA10130@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: First Elizabethan Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson >I'm thinking of a combination of crimson & dark aubergine or plum with >silver accents. Wow! True Elizabethan color audacity! Sound beautiful. Was there >any sort of rule, sleeves match underskirt or bodice matches underskirt...? My research has showed that the bodice almost always matches the overskirt. the two were considered to be one garment, even when constructed seperately. The sleeves can mach the bodice, the underskirt, or be a completely unrelated third color/fabric, because they were considered to be a different garment. . >Would a lady have worn a crimson dress? Yes, of course. >Would these colours look strange with cream added in somewhere - maybe the >sleeves? Cream would be gorgeous. I read that satin is a good choice for the overskirt, would that >be ok with a brocade underskirt? Elizabethan satins tended to be heavier, stiffer, and less shiny than the stuff we have today. Silk bridal satin is perfect if you can afford it, but I recently saw some all-polester stuff at Jo-anne's that was very, very, close. > Margo Anderson "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 11:26:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05741 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:26:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04977; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:41:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07030 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:39:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ecom.imag.net (superman.imag.net [207.200.148.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07025 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:39:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from van1282 (van-port122.imag.net [204.244.111.122]) by ecom.imag.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA04231 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001b01befe06$b08f6900$03000004@van1282> From: "The Rogue" To: Subject: H-COST: Rabid sewing machines Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:40:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "The Rogue" Hello! Oh yes, machine running amok - I learned not to lean at all forward when that happens, not even to pull out the curtains that got sucked in . . . try picking out a seam that has your t-shirt in it, while you're wearing it. Not good. Hand sewing is so much more peaceful, and it's great to take along to camping events to keep busy. Sitting with a group who are weaving and spinning and sewing is a great experience. As long as my tunic doesn't get sucked into the spinning wheel, of course. Zelda -----Original Message----- From: Gia Gavino-Gattshall To: h-costume@indra.com Date: September 12, 1999 11:12 AM Subject: Re: H-COST: Handsewing question > >-Poster: "Gia Gavino-Gattshall" > >Hi! > >I have the same problem. When I sew by machine, I tend to go really really >fast and then have to spend time using my seam ripper...I've been doing alot >more sewing by hand and actually *love* it! Less time with the seam ripper, _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 11:37:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05771 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:37:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07048; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:53:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09936 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:50:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ecom.imag.net (superman.imag.net [207.200.148.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09924 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:50:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from van1282 (van-port122.imag.net [204.244.111.122]) by ecom.imag.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07509 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002c01befe08$40d13b00$03000004@van1282> From: "The Rogue" To: Subject: H-COST: A Tale of 4 sewing machines Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:51:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "The Rogue" Hello! One, my mother's, went wild on me (sucked in the curtains, my t shirt in addition to the material I was working on. Sheesh) and the tension was destroyed after that. She bought a wonderful older machine that I am forbidden to touch. The second was a thrift store find, a portable Brother, that sewed for about two minutes, went THUNK and managed to only sew two stitches before breaking the thread. The sewing machine repairman said a little plastic piece broke. The cost was horrendous, so I bought a reconditioned black Singer straight sew, waited for about 6 months until I could get a decent sewing machine cabinet to put it in (and the warranty expired in that time). I found a wonderful cabinet, with an old singer straight sew in it (bonus). Brought it home, switched the machines (the bonus machine looked like it had never been cleaned since it was bought). The first Singer did exactly the same thing as the Brother. Thunk, sews two stitches, breaks the thread. The bonus machine won't run at all. By the time I got around to trying it, I preferred handsewing so much that I refuse to put out any more money to see what is wrong with it. Zelda -----Original Message----- From: Michelle To: h-costume@indra.com Date: September 10, 1999 10:28 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: Handsewing question > >-Poster: "Michelle" > > >->I have an amazing way with sewing machines - have broken 4 in the last >year. > > OH dear! How did that happen? > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 11:39:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05797 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07439; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:55:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10547 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:52:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10540 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:52:47 -0600 (MDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6ZPSa01989 (4426) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8daf9dd0.250e85bb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:52:11 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com In a message dated 9/11/1999 6:19:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, penny.creative.outlets@erols.com writes: << My red hair comes from a bottle, but I can claim my gray hairs came from taking too many historic costume classes and five hour exams!!!! LOL. Maybe, Mela's red hair came from teaching historic costume. No... Mela was not my professor, just a wonderful person I met on this list. >> Oh man, this is an interesting digression. I too, am a redhead! Shall we take a count? My red hair is from the same source as Penny's, and for the same reason.... But I'm still sensing a trend here. Red hair (Natural or otherwise), passion for costuming, hmmm.... angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Costumes & Custom Clothing Theatrical Costume Design "Be not afraid of greatness; some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them." Twelfth-Night, II, v - W. Shakespeare QUICK-LINK: http://come.to/costumes FULL URL: http://sj.znet.com/~thespian/angil/index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 11:40:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05806 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:40:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07602; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:56:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10735 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:53:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10703 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:53:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Klynscumpy@aol.com Received: from Klynscumpy@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6FAW0f45JP (3988) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7817d93c.250e85e3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:52:51 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #565 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 60 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Klynscumpy@aol.com Okay had to respond...another red head here too! And I wear orange all the time, and all those odd colors of green that no one else can wear. Mine is natural but now enhanced, and oddly I started out with brown eyes but they now look a lot more green in my almost middle years. I was always struck by all the photographs of Edith Head, always wearing her little black (or dark suit) and white blouse, with her hair always pulled away from her face, very business-like and practical. I understand why, now. Sometines working with color and form so much just tuckers a person out, especially when it comes to figuring out something for oneself. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 11:42:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05822 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:42:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08025; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:58:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11439 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:56:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ecom.imag.net (superman.imag.net [207.200.148.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11427 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:56:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from van1282 (van-port122.imag.net [204.244.111.122]) by ecom.imag.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA09103 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003101befe09$0cb67f00$03000004@van1282> From: "The Rogue" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Handsewing question Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:57:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "The Rogue" Hello! I have problems with thimbles, too. If I don't take a long break from sewing, usually a callous builds up and I can sew through 4 layers of heavy cotton without a thimble, but until then, OW! Thanks for the advice - I'll be applying some of it very soon. There's a pair of "Norse" pants that need finishing soon. Thank you, Zelda -----Original Message----- From: Kat & Kent To: h-costume@indra.com Date: September 10, 1999 10:24 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: Handsewing question > >-Poster: Kat & Kent > >The Rogue wrote: >> > >> I have an amazing way with sewing machines - have broken 4 in the last >> year. >> Even on of the indestructible black Singer straight sew models. Now I >> handsew everything, and found that I really like handsewing much more >> than working with a machine. This works well with the 20th century >> Norse costuming I've been doing, but the thought of doing later period >> clothing worries me. Has anyone handsewn a corset, dresses or >> doublet? Any advice would be helpful. Especially about handsewing in >> an authentic manner (if I'm stuck doing it, why not have a little fun >> with it!!) or materials or methods to avoid. > >Well, since I didn't even *have* a sewing machine for the first 6 years >I was sewing I think I can answer at least part of this! I've >sewn everything from 70's peasant blouses to prairie bonnets to full >length gowns by hand with no problems (except for thread knotting up on >me!). I always use quilting or button thread for handsewing. I run out >about a yard and a half, thread it through the needle, double it and >knot it and if the thread gives me too much trouble I *wax* it (amazing >what that can do!). I either fold my seam over and under (so the cut >edge is covered and sew down the middle of that or I sew a shirt tail >hem all the way around and then sew the appropriate seams together. I >tend to take four - five stitches at a time and I use the thinnest >needles I can find. I never, ever use a thimble (which shocked the heck >out of my grandmothers) but that's because I've yet to find one that >feels comfortable at *all* (conventional, ring, leather, quilters etc). >I often do garments completely by hand if time allows (although for >theatrical sewing I tend to go with the machine for times sake and if >I'm pressed on my own garments will sew the interior seams by machine >and just do the finishing by hand). If you are sewing through a number >of thickness' of fabric (ex a corset) you may find it easier to use a >good thimble and bring the needle through and then back one stitch at a >time. Of course, the closer and more even the stitches the better. I >have used a leather needle on a garment that had one layer of canvas and >two of cloth because I got tired of bending needles. The biggest thing >is to match your needle and thread to the garment material. If you >haven't already, you might look into picking up a set of 'craft >needles'. They generally contain two curved needles and a glovers >needle, all of which I've found helpful while handsewing. My best >advice is, if it doesn't work the first time...try switching needle or >thread or both. Enjoy. BTW I'm curious...how exactly are you breaking >the machines? > >Kat > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 11:52:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05858 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:52:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09840; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14172 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:06:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ecom.imag.net (superman.imag.net [207.200.148.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14161 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:06:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from van1282 (van-port122.imag.net [204.244.111.122]) by ecom.imag.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12213 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003b01befe0a$734b5f00$03000004@van1282> From: "The Rogue" To: "historic costuming" Subject: H-COST: Question about 10th century pants for men Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:07:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "The Rogue" Hello; Another post! I guess I'm not a lurker anymore! But still learning, though. I'm working on a pair of pants (first ever pair I've made) and the *fly* area closure has me stumped. I want these to be as authentic as possible. My fiancée re-enacts a Scandinavian Viking/ Virangian of the late 10th century or very early 11th. Would buttons be appropriate, or would another type of closure be more appropriate? Would there be a triangular flap inset somehow? How about a wide (3 to 4 inches) waistband with ties? Would there have been any embellishment on the pants? Thank you, Zelda _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 11:55:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05863 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:55:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10506; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:11:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14855 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:08:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from svr-a-02.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-02.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.12]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14838 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem57.hulk.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.57] helo=herimats) by svr-a-02.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 11QZav-0007R7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:08:45 +0100 Message-ID: <00aa01befe0a$a5ef8b20$39065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <003001befd88$684b56a0$b747fea9@gunsafes> Subject: Re: H-COST: traumatized stories Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:04:11 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" Back in the dawn of time when I first started studying; the whole of the first three weeks was devoted to machine practise; We were given pieces of paper like the old fashioned shiny toilet paper which had been printed with several lines of dots in gradually more intricate patterns; At the end of each day we had to hand them in ; They were closely inspected, any trace of blood they all had to be redone. You soon learnt not to put your fingers anywhere near the nasty bit. To make matters worse us the foreigners in the class were expected to learn Italian at the same time , shouting out our verbs and vocabulary over the din of thirty odd machines. I cant remember much of the language now but still shout for no apparent reason. However it was the big unguarded leather skiving machines with their hug cutting discs that always put the wind up me ; always ready to pull anything and everything into their dark innards and shred them. I soon became expert at hand skiving, rather than wake up at nights sweating. Dave +++++++++++++++ L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters > > -Poster: "Michelle" > One of my friends accidentally sewed a teddy bear head to her thumb in 7th > grade home-ec. She has been terrified of sewing machines ever since and > just recently commented that she should get over it. She is about 35 years > old now. These things happen. > Michelle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 12:01:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05885 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:01:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11502; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:18:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16827 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:16:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (IDENT:root@sm0101.promedia.net [209.160.170.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16819 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:16:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from j9g8x8 (ppp-209-160-171-241.01.promedia.net [209.160.171.241]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16036 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:16:19 -0700 Message-ID: <006f01befe0c$06a08b80$f1aba0d1@j9g8x8> From: "Broneske" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:18:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Broneske" Well, I guess I'll have to chime in on this one too.....red hair also, from a bottle, BUT I have a long, illustrious family history of redheads, lots of aunts and uncles with red hair, I just happened to inherit plain old brown with red highlights. Fortunately, I have the coloring for it and most people think it is my normal color. I never liked the color of my hair and have colored it various colors probably since I was about 18. I've tried every color there is (except for blue, pink, green, etc.) and have finally settled on red which I've had for the last 10 years. Joan Broneske unicorn@softcom.net @-->---------------- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 12:15:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05898 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:15:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13578; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:32:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20081 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:29:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20067 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:29:48 -0600 (MDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6NSA0B3m3Q (4426) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b75acde.250e8e19@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:27:53 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: 'Strapt' shirts, c. 1778 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com In a message dated 9/12/1999 2:38:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, agottfre@telusplanet.net writes: << It would be highly unusual for the method of packing to be given on an inventory list. The inventory for 1776 lists 10 "white strapt" shirts (and no other kind), the 1777 inventory gives 10 "white strapt" shirts and 6 "check strapt" shirts, and the 1778 inventory has 4 "cotton striped" shirts, 6 "white strapt" shirts, and 2 "check Plain" shirts. >> Given the context, I'd venture a guess it's referring to stripes of some sort in the fabric. The other references being "check" and "plain" etc. Let us know when you solve the mystery. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Costumes & Custom Clothing Theatrical Costume Design "If to do were as easy as to know what were good to do, chapels had been churches, and poor men's cottages princes' palaces." The Merchant of Venice, I, ii - William Shakespeare QUICK-LINK: http://come.to/costumes FULL URL: http://sj.znet.com/~thespian/angil/index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 12:17:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05906 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:17:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13908; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:34:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20604 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:31:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20594 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:31:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id KAA06534; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DD3578.B115C8C1@serv.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:33:45 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Boring clothes? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > Here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday > life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a > fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? I do a combination of boring/yuppie/flamboyant. Depends on the day. I either shop at thrift stores or Ross. I used to shop almost exclusively at Nordstrom. Nice store if you can justify the expense. I go to Ross and buy lots of $10 dresses for spring. Stuff I can just throw on and run to work in in the spring. In the winter I wear to work a lot of pants and turtlenecks. I have gotten so bored with my clothes it's awful. And finding clothes that fit the way my historical clothing fits has finally convinced me that I need to sew my modern clothes too. So, I am taking a small break from my activities and going to just make clothes for the next month. Pants that fit, a black velvet circle skirt with bolero, some retro dresses and aprons, etc... I do love clothes that have flair and just got a great winter coat, black wook, with a long peplum (almost to the knees) with a faux fur collar and cuffs. I *love* it, it kind of has a Guard from the Wizard of Oz flair but not as long, sort of russian influenced I guess. I love embroidery so have lots of clothes with embroidery (either by me or not, I'm not particular). I embellish by hand much of my historial clothing and intend to start doing more of that in my modern wear. I've gained a bit of weight over the past couple years so I don't wear what I did when I was younger, but that's also because I've discovered I'm more modest these days. I cover myself up so my skirts are mostly long and I rarely show cleavage. I hate to worry about what I'm going to wear, how I'm going to do my hair, don't like fussing with makeup unless it's a special occassion. I think this year, I need a new makeover though. So some of that might change. I wear a lot of black but discovered color and am working on incorporating more of that. Black hair, pale skin, green eyes, so maybe back a little kohl. I used to dress kind of goth-punk, lots of black with silver jewelry. The colors suit me well so I'm thinking of trying to find a more conservative way to do this, not so rebellious but definitely not too conservative. Anyhoo, it's been fascinating reading all this. I can definitely see the progression in my own life, as soon as I started historical costuming my clothes horse needs went there and I've been paying almost no attention at all to what I look like the other 90% of my life! *LAUGH* Pathetic actually. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 12:24:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05912 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:24:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15247; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:40:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22013 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:37:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from svr-a-02.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-02.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.12]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22003 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:37:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem21.hulk.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.21] helo=herimats) by svr-a-02.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 11Qa2g-00080M-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:37:27 +0100 Message-ID: <029101befe0e$a81f66a0$39065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <199909110445.WAA16605@net.indra.com> <37DAFF5B.99B68F22@vci.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: wool question Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:36:58 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" Just a matter of interest. Should anuyone get a chance to visit Higher Mill ; Helmshore, Rossendale, Lancashire, still has 18c fulling mill extant as a museum : The large bales of wool are supported on slowly rotating beams while being thumped by huge water driven trip hammers. The whole contraption is built over the river and the bales are constantly wetted ; I think but I am may be completely wrong that it was here that I was told.- Human urine was collected from the ale houses to soak the wool in prior to fulling and that the best came from the houses where strong ale was drunk; I am trying to remmeber if this is correct or it is a story that I picked up somewhere completely different; Any ideas? Dave L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters ----- Original Message ----- > > -Poster: "schuck@vci.net" > > Forgive me if this has been asked before, I'm fairly new to this list. How is wool > fabric fulled? > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 12:25:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05916 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:25:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15699; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:42:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22592 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22565 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:39:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10329 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-58-98.lightspeed.net [209.165.58.98]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02649 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00a101befe0f$f2261860$4aedfea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: A Tale of 4 sewing machines Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:46:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" Sounds like you are in desperate need of a Viking. They never need oiling and they are pretty much unjammable (I once ran over a pin and the pin bent into a 'w' and was stuck in the throat plate). I have had mine for years, passed down from my mother who got an upgrade. Michelle >-Poster: "The Rogue" > >Hello! > >One, my mother's, went wild on me (sucked in the curtains, my t shirt in >addition to the material I was working on. Sheesh) and the tension was >destroyed after that. She bought a wonderful older machine that I am >forbidden to touch. The second was a thrift store find, a portable Brother, >that sewed for about two minutes, went THUNK and managed to only sew two >stitches before breaking the thread. The sewing machine repairman said a >little plastic piece broke. The cost was horrendous, so I bought a >reconditioned black Singer straight sew, waited for about 6 months until I >could get a decent sewing machine cabinet to put it in (and the warranty >expired in that time). I found a wonderful cabinet, with an old singer >straight sew in it (bonus). Brought it home, switched the machines (the >bonus machine looked like it had never been cleaned since it was bought). >The first Singer did exactly the same thing as the Brother. Thunk, sews two >stitches, breaks the thread. > >The bonus machine won't run at all. By the time I got around to trying it, >I preferred handsewing so much that I refuse to put out any more money to >see what is wrong with it. > >Zelda > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 12:29:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05920 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:29:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16681; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:46:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23746 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:43:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23727 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:43:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990913174348.GEDF22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]>; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:43:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:47:13 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com CC: fred Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990913174348.GEDF22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "R.L. Shep" Do I get to play too? I am not really a costumer - although costumes are a mojor part of my life. I WAS a redhead. Now I am a silver and gold head which I augment with *Just for Men* I wear Levi's and often times brightly colored shirts. I don't know what *cleavage* has to do with how one dresses - but I don't show any! Don't have any! ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: "Broneske" >To: >Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes >Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999, 10:18 AM > > >-Poster: "Broneske" > >Well, I guess I'll have to chime in on this one too.....red hair also, from >a bottle, BUT I have a long, illustrious family history of redheads, lots of >aunts and uncles with red hair, I just happened to inherit plain old brown >with red highlights. Fortunately, I have the coloring for it and most >people think it is my normal color. I never liked the color of my hair and >have colored it various colors probably since I was about 18. I've tried >every color there is (except for blue, pink, green, etc.) and have finally >settled on red which I've had for the last 10 years. > >Joan Broneske >unicorn@softcom.net >@-->---------------- > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 12:31:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05926 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:31:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17073; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:48:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24288 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:45:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24281 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:45:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990913174543.GEJS22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:45:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:49:15 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: wool question From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990913174543.GEJS22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "R.L. Shep" I have heard about urine being used to help in the dyeing process but not in fulling... which does not mean it was not done. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: "LDMundy" >To: >Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: wool question >Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999, 10:36 AM > > >-Poster: "LDMundy" > >Just a matter of interest. Should anuyone get a chance to visit Higher Mill >; Helmshore, Rossendale, Lancashire, still has 18c fulling mill extant as a >museum : >The large bales of wool are supported on slowly rotating beams while being >thumped by huge water driven trip hammers. The whole contraption is built >over the river and the bales are constantly wetted ; >I think but I am may be completely wrong that it was here that I was told.- >Human urine was collected from the ale houses to soak the wool in prior to >fulling and that the best came from the houses where strong ale >was drunk; >I am trying to remmeber if this is correct or it is a story that I picked up >somewhere completely different; Any ideas? >Dave >L.D.Mundy >Editor.Heritage Matters >----- Original Message ----- > >> >> -Poster: "schuck@vci.net" >> >> Forgive me if this has been asked before, I'm fairly new to this list. How >is wool >> fabric fulled? >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 12:53:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05993 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:53:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21260; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00249 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:06:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00228 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:06:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip220-100.cc.interlog.com [207.34.220.100]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA11767 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990913015116.00a43480@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:51:16 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Boring clothes? In-Reply-To: References: <199909110445.WAA16605@net.indra.com> <199909110445.WAA16605@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, >At 10:45 PM -0600 9/10/99, owner-h-costume-digest@indra.com wrote: >>So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday >>life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a >>fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? I must say that I dress casual and rather boring most of the time and my suits are all classic. I was brought up with the thinking that "it's better to have a few good quality pieces than lots of cheap ones". However, when it's "dress-up time" I like to dress with a bit more *flare*. I'm 5'10" and can usually carry off stuff that a lot of other people "can't." However, I'm a firm believer in natural fibres. >I want to have good quality clothes that will last for years, especially >as I'm petite and have a hard time finding clothes that fit me (why do >they never keep size Small in stock???). I must say "Where do you live?!" All I ever find here are smalls. It seems most places carry a large stock of sizes 2 to 8 and almost nothing for the *non-petits*. It's the bane of my existence - well that and shoes. I'm a size 11 1/2 (which doesn't *really* exist) and all I ever see are sizes 6 to 10. Grrrr. I wish the manufactures would realize that we come in all shapes and sizes. Woops! How did I get on that soapbox. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 12:54:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05997 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:54:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21325; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:08:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00368 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:06:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00352 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:06:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip220-100.cc.interlog.com [207.34.220.100]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA11785 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990913013409.00a43100@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:34:09 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Re: H-COST: Source for gemstone bead buttons In-Reply-To: <19990911182123.6223.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, >I found a 16" strand of Howlite (dyed Lapis) 10mm beads (about 41 beads) >for $6.83 per strand (If you buy more than 3, there is a proportional >discount). They also have a 12mm (34 beads) for $9.82. Their regular >lapis runs from $14.95 (for 4mm) to $29.95 (for 8mm). I think I'll preface this with the statement "however I say this I'm sure it will come out wrong". Hi, my name is Danielle Nunn-Weinberg and I'm a gemmologist. I just wanted to ask you if you realize that Howlite is a completely different mineral from Lapis Lazuli. Howlite is usually dyed a variety of different colours to be used as an inexpensive substitute for the more expensive stone it it impersinating. Most Lapis on the market these days is dyed already. The way to test for dyed lapis is take a cotton swab soaked in rubbing alcohol. Rub it on a non-visible portion of the stone. If there is any blue on the swab - the stone is dyed. Please don't let either of these things detract from your enjoyment of the stone, it is just meant as information. Please forgive me if I've offended. Cheers, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg, FGA, FCGmA _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 12:54:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05991 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:51:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21255; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:08:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00246 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:06:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00206 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:06:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r9p1.directcon.net [206.170.184.100]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20666 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909131804.LAA20666@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: H-COST:Cartridge pleating question Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson I was at a costuming workshop for 1850's work dresses this weekend, and a woman demonstrated cartridge pleating in a way that I had never seen before. She held two or three needles at the same time between her thumb and finger, and stitched the multiple rows all at the same time. When another participant said she couldn't get the hang of it, and could she just stitch the rows seperately, the instructor said no, that wouldn't work. I (rather impolitically) said of course it would, I do it all the time, she said "Well, it might work, but it wouldn't be cartridge pleating!" and that this was the only historically accurate way to do it. Now, I've been reading about, and doing, costume construction for most of my life and I've never seen such a thing. Does anybody have any idea where she got this technique? Was it really the standard method for the 1850's? And does anyone have any priomary evidence that it was done the usual way, one row of stitches at a time, in the period? This same person, BTW, doesn't think I should be drafting my own patterns. She wants me to use Past Patterns or some other company's pattern, "because that way it's historically accurate". I find it very hard to let her know that I know what I'm doing without sounding like I'm bragging. She knows I teach classes in costume of the period, and she's seen my work, but all she does is make comments on what's different, such as the fact that I'm wearing full stays, while she's wearing sensible stays. I can't figure out if this is ignorance, jealousy, oblivion, or what, and I really don't know how to deal with the situation. Any ideas? Margo Anderson "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 12:54:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06003 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:54:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21357; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:09:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00423 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:06:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [207.34.202.37]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00399 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:06:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from test (ip220-100.cc.interlog.com [207.34.220.100]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA12003 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990913015626.00a43bf0@mail.interlog.com> X-Sender: dnunn@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:56:26 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn Subject: Red hair was (Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Danielle Nunn Greetings, I have red hair to. It's mine because I paid for it! Actually my natural hair colour is blond but, I look better in orange this way. ;) It's strange how many people think that the red is my natural colour - I've got that pale (in my case sallow), almost translucent Celtic skin. >I can't believe it! Another person whose eyes turned from blue to green. I think it's neat that there are other people who's eyes changed colours. Mine went from violet/purple when I was little to blue/grey when I hit grade school. Now they just change colour depending on what I'm wearing and my mood. They've been known to anything between emerald green and silver grey, with lots of shades of blue in between. Cheers, Danielle _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 13:16:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06035 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:16:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25758; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:32:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06638 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:30:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06621 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:30:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Qarm-0009gJ-0B for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:30:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:29:26 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: H-COST: Question about 10th century pants for men In-Reply-To: <003b01befe0a$734b5f00$03000004@van1282> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id MAA06626 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Jean Waddie In message <003b01befe0a$734b5f00$03000004@van1282>, The Rogue writes > >-Poster: "The Rogue" > >Hello; > >Another post! I guess I'm not a lurker anymore! > >But still learning, though. I'm working on a pair of pants (first ever pair >I've made) and the *fly* area closure has me stumped. I want these to be as >authentic as possible. My fiancée re-enacts a Scandinavian Viking/ >Virangian of the late 10th century or very early 11th. Would buttons be >appropriate, or would another type of closure be more appropriate? Would >there be a triangular flap inset somehow? How about a wide (3 to 4 inches) >waistband with ties? > They don't have any kind of fly - trousers of this period are just like sweatpants, with a drawstring round the waist. A fly opening is very late - I'm not sure when they come in, but certainly after codpieces go out, and the codpiece is still there in the 16th century. >Would there have been any embellishment on the pants? > I don't think so. Between the bottom of the tunic, which could be embroidered or edged with braid, and the top of your boots, there's not a whole lot showing to embellish. If he was wearing hose and braies (like shorts tucked into loose stockings) the top of the hose could be decorated with a narrow border. >Thank you, >Zelda > You're welcome - keep posting those questions! Jean -- Jean Waddie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 13:16:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06039 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:16:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25762; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:32:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06648 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:30:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06642 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:30:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Qarm-000Pka-0K for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:30:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:19:12 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes/RED HAIR In-Reply-To: <19990912.235154.-435891.1.seamstrix@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Jean Waddie Looks like I'm going to have to "come out" as a red-head too - not carroty, just very deep chestnut. My skin is much more red-headed than my hair - SPF3000, or possibly the complete Afghani throw-a-sheet-over- your-head look! Jean > >-Poster: seamstrix@juno.com > >Well although my parents thought that I would be a red-head, I proved my >contrary nature a became a deep ash blonde instead. I 'assist' the >brightness of my hair with some lighter blonde color. But I haven't >changed the essential color of my hair, I'm just too darn pale to go with >any other shade (pale grey-blue eyes and translucent white skin- yes, I'm >Northern European, why do you ask?) > >Karen >(SPF 3000 is my friend) > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME -- Jean Waddie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 13:30:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06056 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:30:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29388; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:46:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10817 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:44:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10803; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:44:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:44:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909131844.MAA10803@net.indra.com> From: melanies@skylightopera.com To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: H-COST: First Elizabethan (ps) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: melanies@skylightopera.com Greetings This is a postscript to my earlier message regarding the Simplicity Elizabethan pattern. I had said that if you wished to do 1540, you could use the flared sleeve but forgot to mention that I have not seen any examples of tied-on sleeves this early, so you might wish to sew it in instead. Melanie (from work!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 13:35:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06073 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:35:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00445; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:52:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12233 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:50:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m10.boston.juno.com (m10.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.195]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12220 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from annetteallen@juno.com) by m10.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ELEURYQD; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:46:18 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:44:59 +0000 Subject: Re: Red hair was (Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress) Message-ID: <19990913.114513.-232099.0.AnnetteAllen@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,11-15,17-18,20-27,29-61 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Annette M Allen Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Annette M Allen Mmmmm. Maybe red tones and light colored eyes are genetically related. (I know, way OT, but I couldn't resist...) My hair was white blonde as a child and people assumed my eyes were blue. My mother dressed me in pastels. (Of course, this was the fifties...) As I grew older and my hair grew darker, I insisted on blonde and everyone else kept calling it "strawberry blonde". I began wearing jewel tones and people began asking me what color my eyes are. (I call them Hazel Grey, because they are grey when I am naked in a cream colored bathroom with no makeup on.) They range from grey to bright blue, blue, green, blue-green, and/or yellow. (Apparently, they turn yellow when I am very angry, according to my husband, who would be the most likely to know!) I cannot use ash colors on my hair; it turns green. I cannot use gold colors on my hair, it turns red. Since it is turning silver in some areas, I have found a blonde with silver highlights. It looks very blonde to me but someone said the other day: "Your hair has a lot of red in it, doesn't it? AARGGHHH! (Not that I don't like red hair, I have a grandaughter with beautiful strawberry blonde hair. ) -Annette On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:56:26 -0400 Danielle Nunn writes: > > -Poster: Danielle Nunn > > Greetings, > > I have red hair to. It's mine because I paid for it! Actually > my > natural hair colour is blond but, I look better in orange this way. > ;) > It's strange how many people think that the red is my natural colour > - I've > got that pale (in my case sallow), almost translucent Celtic skin. > > >I can't believe it! Another person whose eyes turned from blue to > green. > > I think it's neat that there are other people who's eyes changed > colours. > Mine went from violet/purple when I was little to blue/grey when I > hit > grade school. Now they just change colour depending on what I'm > wearing > and my mood. They've been known to anything between emerald green > and > silver grey, with lots of shades of blue in between. > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 13:37:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06091 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:37:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00915; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:54:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12773 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:52:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from komarr.local.thibault.org (adsl-151-197-16-76.bellatlantic.net [151.197.16.76]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12757 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thibault.org (weatherwax.local.thibault.org [192.168.10.16]) by komarr.local.thibault.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02377 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:51:25 -0400 Message-ID: <37DD47B8.4EB97482@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:54:27 -0400 From: Cynthia Virtue Organization: Virtue Ventures http://www.virtue.to X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Shoe dyeing question References: <005701befafe$f059b280$22aca0d1@j9g8x8> <00a701befb17$9a02b1c0$36065cc3@herimats> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Cynthia Virtue > If its the stuff I think it is that we have in the UK called Nubuck a very > thin sliver of real leather stuck to a polymer base and the roughes up to > give a nap. The folks at Dexter Shoes (excellent shoes made in Maine) report that there are many types of "nubuck." Some of them are entirely of leather; clearly some, presumably cheaper by other companies, are leather-plus-other-stuff. -- "It would make sense to do it that way" is a dangerous statement when pursuing historical accuracy, almost as error prone as "They could do it that way, therefore they did". -- Margo Anderson _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 13:49:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06133 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:49:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02997; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:06:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15867 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:03:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15852 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:03:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08356 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11846 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:03:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:03:47 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Tudor/18C stays and shoulder straps In-Reply-To: <8da8f59a.250c856e@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: aleed Another alternative is to use bundles of thin reeds, rather like broomstraw. This is the kind of reed that was found in the Pfaltzgrafin's corset shown in Arnold's Patterns of Fashion. I've heard that it's very comfortable, very supportive, and breathes well. I just got some broomstraw myself, and will let people know how it actually turns out. Drea On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 HighlndLss@aol.com wrote: > > -Poster: HighlndLss@aol.com > > Thank you for the tip about waxing the reed for the stays, that's something > that I didn't think of. > > The stays that I had with the reed was good for a few years, but then the > cracking of the reed got to be too much of a problem trying to continually > replace. I have since made my stays completely from the spring steel, which, > because of my chest-heavy figure is really the strength that I probably > needed in the first place. I also found that I was more comfortable making > both a front and back lacing pattern. I have a tendency to shift weight a > lot. So having the possibility of adjusting both front and back together is > really helpful. I adjust the back so that the front will always come > completely together when laced. Then I leave the back lacing in place, and at > events always use the front for putting the stays on and off. This is so much > easier for dressing in the mornings. > > Thanks for your suggestions, > Susan K. > 42nd HRH & 17th Light Dragoons > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 13:50:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06139 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:50:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03215; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:07:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16311 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:05:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snip.net (mail.snip.net [209.204.64.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16286 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:05:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ouppc [209.204.81.155] by snip.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A9E329D5013C; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:00:51 -0400 Message-ID: <006401befe1a$db12cdc0$9b51ccd1@ouppc> From: "Vince Lyons" To: References: <1b75acde.250e8e19@aol.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: 'Strapt' shirts, c. 1778 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:04:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Vince Lyons" > > In a message dated 9/12/1999 2:38:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > agottfre@telusplanet.net writes: > > It would be highly unusual for the method of packing to be given on an > inventory list. The inventory for 1776 lists 10 "white strapt" shirts (and > no other kind), the 1777 inventory gives 10 "white strapt" shirts and 6 > "check strapt" shirts, and the 1778 inventory has 4 "cotton striped" shirts, > 6 "white strapt" shirts, and 2 "check Plain" shirts. > This is COMPLETE speculation, based on working-class shirts from nearly a century and a half later.. but could it possibly refer to a shirt that was meant to be worn with suspenders? This guess is based on my father, who was born in Ireland in 1919, and always referred to his suspenders as "straps". He kept several decade old shirts that had either a single little loop of fabric (think of the hang tab on those yuppie oxford shirts of the 80s, but positioned lower, a bit above mid-back) or an X in the same spot to hold the suspenders halfway up. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 13:50:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06143 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:50:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03219; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:07:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16315 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:05:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16297 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:05:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem1.hulk.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.1] helo=herimats) by mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11QbPe-0000CW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:05:14 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01befe1a$ebb44fa0$01065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <19990913174348.GEDF22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes-cleavage Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:04:36 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" In the Uk ; gentlemen's cleavage is shown at the rear , below the waist, as a result if the trouser being worn on the hips. the display of cleavage by building workers is an important part of modern day British culture; No I am not Joking, however unbelievable Dave ++++++++++++ L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters > > -Poster: "R.L. Shep" > > I wear Levi's and often times brightly colored shirts. I don't know what > *cleavage* has to do with how one dresses - but I don't show any! Don't > have any! > ~!~ R.L.Shep > http://www.rlshep.com > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 13:53:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06147 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:53:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03852; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:11:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17187 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:08:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17181 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:08:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Natekakar@aol.com Received: from Natekakar@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6GRAa16296 (4334) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2b739502.250ea58f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:07:59 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST:Cartridge pleating question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) sub 7 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Natekakar@aol.com I've never seen ANYTHING that suggested that one needed to run the needles all at once -- the key is to have the threads come in and out at the same vertical point on the fabric, NOT at the same time!!!! I'll look in my period construction books, but I usually do a foot of stitches on the upper and repeat with the lower. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 13:57:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06159 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:57:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04637; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:14:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17995 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:11:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vega.utulsa.edu (vega.utulsa.edu [129.244.1.81]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17983 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:11:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mcfref55 (ref08.utulsa.edu) by vega.utulsa.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with SMTP id <0FI000G33IM4XG@vega.utulsa.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:10:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:18:57 -0500 From: Marc Carlson Subject: Re: H-COST: Question about 10th century pants for men In-reply-to: <199909131731.LAA20634@net.indra.com> X-Sender: marc-carlson@pop.utulsa.edu To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3.0.6.32.19990913141857.0079fd40@pop.utulsa.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id NAA17985 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Marc Carlson Zelda wrote: >But still learning, though. I'm working on a pair of pants (first ever pair >I've made) and the *fly* area closure has me stumped. I want these to be as >authentic as possible. My fiancée re-enacts a Scandinavian Viking/ >Virangian of the late 10th century or very early 11th. Would buttons be >appropriate, or would another type of closure be more appropriate? Would >there be a triangular flap inset somehow? How about a wide (3 to 4 inches) >waistband with ties? > >Would there have been any embellishment on the pants? The Skjoldehamn trousers (a little bit of which can be seen at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/5923/cloth/skolde3.html ) are drawstring pants with a bit of trim around the bottom cuff, and about six inches up the outside leg. The Skjodehamn find (consisting of kyrtle, shirt, trousers, shoes (lost?) and knife handle) was discovered in 1936 in a bog on the Island of Andřya, in Veserĺlen in northern Norway. It may date to sometime between 1000-1210 (based on Carbon dating although the style of his kyrtle would suggest a later date of 13th-14th c). There is some debate about whether he was Norse or Sami and whether or not that would matter to the style of clothing. If you want more information there's an article on this clothing (which SOMEone left off his bibliography) Gjessing, G. "Skjoldehamndrakten, En Senmiddeelaldersk mannsdrakt" in Viking v.2 (1938) pp.27-81. And I'm thinking there's one in a much later volume of Viking as well, but I can't find the citation at the moment. Yes, they are in Norwegian, but you get used to that after a while... Marc _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 14:04:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06182 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:04:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05930; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19815 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:19:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19803 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p32.directcon.net [206.170.184.81]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28830 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909131917.MAA28830@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes-cleavage Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson At 08:04 PM 09/13/1999 +0100, you wrote: > >-Poster: "LDMundy" > >In the Uk ; gentlemen's cleavage is shown at the rear , below the waist, as >a result if the trouser being worn on the hips. In the US, we call that look "plumber's butt". I wouldn't call it an important part of our culture, though. Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 14:06:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06186 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:06:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06328; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:23:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20328 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:21:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA20318 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by shared1-mail.whowhere.com; Mon Sep 13 12:20:28 1999 To: "Historic Costume" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:20:28 -0700 From: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: H-COST: (No Subject) X-Sender-Ip: 199.44.36.156 Organization: email.women.com (http://www.emailwomen.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" Hi, I have a question that probably sounds really stupid to you gus, but I'm curious. Way back when, was most metallic embroidery done with actual metal? and if so, when you guys make authentic costumes do you use actual metal for this or do you use the "silver" & "gold" thread you can buy now? I've seen several peices in my life which had this wire type embroidery, of course all tarnished and in general in bad shape. Mostly on shoes and purses for some reason. I've read about detail work quite a bit but have never seen anything about metallic embroidery. I was just wondering what they used? was is wire of a smaller gage than beading wire (like they use for jewelry) or what? again I appologize if this is a stupid question. --- Ginnaphure ICQ# 41340093 "Last time we mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the stake." Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 14:08:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06190 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:08:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06668; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:25:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20815 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:22:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from na-ims.alcoa.com ([147.154.3.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20801 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:22:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by NA-IMS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:21:58 -0400 Message-ID: <0B3E3AA67456D311A9FC0000E889ED9809F49F@dhcp-183-2.dpw.alcoa.com> From: "Fairchild, Connie E." To: "'h-costume-digest@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: Red Satin Boots Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:16:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Fairchild, Connie E." In the section with high button shoes, I saw red satin lace up shoes listed in the Amazon Drygoods catalog. Their question line phone # is 319-322-4138 Connie Fairchild _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 14:15:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06196 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:15:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08750; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:32:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22781 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:30:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from snip.net (mail.snip.net [209.204.64.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22766 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:30:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ouppc [209.204.81.155] by snip.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AFB882A015A; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:25:44 -0400 Message-ID: <009201befe1e$5527d3a0$9b51ccd1@ouppc> From: "Vince Lyons" To: References: <199909131804.LAA20666@zeus.directcon.net> Subject: Re: H-COST:Cartridge pleating question Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:29:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Vince Lyons" ----- Original Message ----- > -Poster: Margo Anderson > > I was at a costuming workshop for 1850's work dresses this weekend, and a > woman demonstrated cartridge pleating in a way that I had never seen before. > She held two or three needles at the same time between her thumb and finger, > and stitched the multiple rows all at the same time. When another > participant said she couldn't get the hang of it, and could she just stitch > the rows seperately, the instructor said no, that wouldn't work. I (rather > impolitically) said of course it would, I do it all the time, she said > "Well, it might work, but it wouldn't be cartridge pleating!" and that this > was the only historically accurate way to do it. > That's rediculous. If you were looking at the finished work, without having seen the process, how in the world would you even be able to tell if the stitches had been made using this woman's method or individually? Even if she does have an authentic historical source for her methods it's doubtful that _everyone_ always did it in *exactly* that manner. >This same person, BTW, doesn't think I should be drafting my own patterns. >She wants me to use Past Patterns or some other company's pattern, >"because >that way it's historically accurate". I find it very hard to let her know >that I know what I'm doing without sounding like I'm bragging. She knows I >teach classes in costume of the period, and she's seen my work, but all she >does is make comments on what's different, such as the fact that I'm wearing >full stays, while she's wearing sensible stays. I can't figure out if this >is ignorance, jealousy, oblivion, or what, and I really don't know how to >deal with the situation. Any ideas? This may be violating my "if you can't say anything nice" policy, but, great font of psychological wisdom that I am ... the poor woman sounds like a "know it all" who feels threatened by anyone with knowledge in "HER field of expertise". The shame is she probably comes off sounding silly to everyone. Dr. Kerrie Brothers (who is spending much too much time at her desk now, as evidenced by this sudden increase in posting. ;-) ) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 14:25:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06208 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:25:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11093; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24972 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:39:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24960 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:39:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem79.tweety.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.207] helo=herimats) by mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Qbwe-0002Ye-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:39:21 +0100 Message-ID: <001301befe1f$afa88210$01065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <005701befafe$f059b280$22aca0d1@j9g8x8> <00a701befb17$9a02b1c0$36065cc3@herimats> <37DD47B8.4EB97482@thibault.org> Subject: Re: H-COST: UK US leather was Shoe dyeing question long whinge Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:38:58 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" Yes; I think the term comes from the process actually used to give the final appearrance, as opposed to the wire brush system used on turned leather to produce " normal" suede. However not being one to lose the oppurtunity to climb on to my favourite band wagon..- Our Us members as a whole , and especially those who work in leather would be appalled at the cost of leather or leather products in this country, as well as some of the amazingly awful products that we are offered. The US has lots of cows and they are being killed and eaten in their millions and leather is a side issue to the production of steaks and burgers consumed in large quantities by US citizens. In the UK many people do not eat beef at all, and to many a steak is a special treat. As a rule our beef is produced for export and is very expensive. With our recent problems over mad cow disease there have been some weeks when no animals have been slaughtered in any given week. This of course has led to problems with the supply of leather. Most of our large shoemakers now have the uppers mass produced in the third world and imported for making up ( if they say Made in Britain.) or imported completely. Leather is also imported but it is not an economic process. To the craftworker or costumer working on a small scale the situation is almost unworkable. It is actually cheaper to go out and buy a brand new leather coat, made in the Far East and sold through huge specialist Discount houses than it would be to buy the leather to make the same thing in this country. If you could find it that is. With the industry moving abroad , the usual surplus going to the craftworker has dried up. What there is available is all chrome tanned with its terrible grey-white colour on the back and cut edges Buying fine english produced (oak tanned; if you really want to go overboard and wait years for delivery) leather for high quality riding boots is no problem when the final cost is near to 1000 pounds. Saddlers and harness makers however have more difficulty and cost are soaring. I know of two who are currently travelling to the continent for supplies. For shoemaking a pair of best leather throughsoles are now well over ten pounds. About six or seven years ago I ordered over 300 pounds worth of green and yellow leather from a very well known supplier (in both UK and US) What I actually received was "skiver" (taken off the back of good leather when thicknessing) to which a heavy almost eighth of an inch layer of a plastic like material had been sprayed on. These day I can only imagine that it is much worse. I know that there is still a lot of leather that has been "sun dried" and badly cured in the "Third world" finding its way into craft shops. Remember that the final use of leather has to be known before the cureing process can commence. When it comes to leather you US citizens are really lucky, next time you buy some think of us poor Brits. Dave +++++++++++++++ L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters > -Poster: Cynthia Virtue > > The folks at Dexter Shoes (excellent shoes made in Maine) report that > there are many types of "nubuck." Some of them are entirely of leather; > clearly some, presumably cheaper by other companies, are leather-plus-other-stuff. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 14:37:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06214 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:37:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12980; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:54:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27869 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:50:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ecom.imag.net (superman.imag.net [207.200.148.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27850 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:50:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from van1282 (van-port122.imag.net [204.244.111.122]) by ecom.imag.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA28491 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <011e01befe21$6bc067a0$03000004@van1282> From: "The Rogue" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Question about 10th century pants for men Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:51:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "The Rogue" Hello I looked at the pattern - they're a bit different than the pair I worked from. The pair loaned to me for reference have a separate calf section that is tighter than the upper legs - quite a bit tighter, and harder to fit. Would that type of pants also be appropriate for the waistband/front seam shown in your pattern? Wonderful site! Very helpful and informative! Zelda Who has added learning Norwegian to the *to do* list -----Original Message----- From: Marc Carlson To: h-costume@indra.com Date: September 13, 1999 12:18 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: Question about 10th century pants for men > >-Poster: Marc Carlson > >Zelda wrote: >>But still learning, though. I'm working on a pair of pants (first ever pair ? > >The Skjoldehamn trousers (a little bit of which can be seen at >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/5923/cloth/skolde3.html ) are >drawstring >pants with a bit of trim around the bottom cuff, and about six inches up >the outside >leg. > >The Skjodehamn find (consisting of kyrtle, shirt, trousers, shoes (lost?) >and knife handle) >was discovered in 1936 in a bog on the Island of Andřya, in Veserĺlen in >northern Norway. >It may date to sometime between 1000-1210 (based on Carbon dating although >the style of his >kyrtle would suggest a later date of 13th-14th c). There is some debate >about whether he >was Norse or Sami and whether or not that would matter to the style of >clothing. > >If you want more information there's an article on this clothing (which >SOMEone left off >his bibliography) Gjessing, G. "Skjoldehamndrakten, En Senmiddeelaldersk >mannsdrakt" in >Viking v.2 (1938) pp.27-81. And I'm thinking there's one in a much later >volume of Viking >as well, but I can't find the citation at the moment. Yes, they are in >Norwegian, but you >get used to that after a while... > >Marc > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 14:43:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06228 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:43:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14288; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29707 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:58:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ecom.imag.net (superman.imag.net [207.200.148.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29689 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:58:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from van1282 (van-port122.imag.net [204.244.111.122]) by ecom.imag.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00606 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <012901befe22$80bf0ca0$03000004@van1282> From: "The Rogue" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: metallic embroidery Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:59:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "The Rogue" Hello, I have just started looking into this, too. So far, I have found that the real metals were actually used, but were spun so finely that they were usually wrapped around a linen or cotton thread so they could be worked without constantly breaking. How far back this method goes, I don't know yet. I do have a Matadors jacket from a turn of the century (1900 :) ) costume company that is covered in metallic thread done in this manner. I have seen modern embroidery done on Punjabi tunics with this as well. Personally, I use the plain DMC gold, silver or copper threads at this point, simply due to lack of skill at this time. Zelda -----Original Message----- From: Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank To: Historic Costume Date: September 13, 1999 12:28 PM Subject: H-COST: (No Subject) > >-Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" > >Hi, I have a question that probably sounds really stupid to you gus, but I'm curious. Way back when, was most metallic embroidery done with actual metal? and if so, when you guys make authentic costumes do you use actual metal for this or do you use the "silver" & "gold" thread you can buy now? I've seen several peices in my life which had this wire type embroidery, of course all tarnished and in general in bad shape. Mostly on shoes and purses for some reason. I've read about detail work quite a bit but have never seen anything about metallic embroidery. I was just wondering what they used? was is wire of a smaller gage than beading wire (like they use for jewelry) or what? again I appologize if this is a stupid question. > >--- >Ginnaphure > >ICQ# 41340093 > >"Last time we mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the stake." > > > >Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 14:45:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06232 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:45:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14425; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:01:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29854 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:59:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from inet16.us.oracle.com (inet16.us.oracle.com [209.246.15.50]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29836 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:59:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from usmail04 (usmail04.us.oracle.com [144.25.88.96]) by inet16.us.oracle.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07328 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us.oracle.com by usmail04 with ESMTP (SMI-8.6/37.9) id MAA02025; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:59:08 -0700 Message-ID: <37DD495E.AAD770B@us.oracle.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:58:38 -0400 From: Elizabeth Jones Organization: Oracle Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Mahoitered sleeve Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------35A8988E6E975D5CF0D9D255" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Elizabeth Jones This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------35A8988E6E975D5CF0D9D255 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Margo Anderson wrote; ..."the early Elizabethan 'mahoitered' style of sleeve " -I've never heard this term. What is a mahoitered sleeve? "Mahoitre" (That's with a ^ over the "i"): French term denoting large padded shoulders. Basically comes from the extreme look of the mid 1400's - really huge shoulders on the man's doublet, fur trimmed, pleated, think Charles VII. About Margos' cartridge pleating dilemma: I've never heard of such a thing, but commend someone coordinated enough to handle three needles at once. I don't understand the logic, and would ask her to show you some reference material supporting it (in a nice, non challenging way of course!) But as regards to the instruction to use commercial patterns - that seems totally contradictory. First of all, they're not made for an individual's body, and custom fit patters would always be preferred to "off the shelf". Secondly, most commercial patterns seem to be faulty. I suppose that this stems from the sales part of the business, or from the desire not to complicate a mass audience pattern with complicated techniques or instructions. I blatantly disagree with her, and support you in your disagreement! Regards, Liz Jones --------------35A8988E6E975D5CF0D9D255 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ljones.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Elizabeth Jones Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ljones.vcf" begin:vcard n:;Elizabeth Jones x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr;dom;quoted-printable:;;Oracle Corporation =0D=0A100 Summit Lake Drive;Valhalla;NY;10595; org:Global Networks version:2.1 email;internet:ljones@us.oracle.com title:Senior Project Manager tel;fax:203-267-5856 tel;work:914-773-8169 x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Elizabeth Jones end:vcard --------------35A8988E6E975D5CF0D9D255-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 14:49:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06239 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:49:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15601; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:06:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01358 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:04:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01343 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:04:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem20.barney.pol.co.uk ([195.92.7.20] helo=herimats) by mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11QcKs-0006qz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:04:23 +0100 Message-ID: <003601befe23$2f440550$01065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <199909131804.LAA20666@zeus.directcon.net> Subject: Re: H-COST:Cartridge pleating question Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:04:02 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" > > -Poster: Margo Anderson > . I find it very hard to let her know > that I know what I'm doing without sounding like I'm bragging. She knows I > teach classes in costume of the period, and she's seen my work, but all she > does is make comments on what's different, such as the fact that I'm wearing > full stays, while she's wearing sensible stays. I can't figure out if this > is ignorance, jealousy, oblivion, or what, and I really don't know how to > deal with the situation. Any ideas? > I dont teach anymore, partly as a result of changes to our system as regards parttime lecturing but also for a very personal reason. I always had difficulty because of shyness and when called upon to seem knowledgable had great difficulty because of self doubt.. Well to tell you the truth I turned into somebody else , some kind of monster , a sort of protective shield.. Knowing that there was somebody in the class that might know something was a big frightener that would have me shaking at the knees and on one occasion led me to real nervous sickness. After every class I used to hide in a dark room with a pillow over my head, reliving every moment , everyword I had said, every comment I had made and turn myself into a quivering jelly of embarrassment. Theatre studies wasnt so bad , they were all youngsters, you could tell em anything (ggg). Teaching Hand- shoemaking to a class made up of supervisor/:managers from shoe factories, plus some people that had their own shoemaking business or who worked in orthopaedic shoe departments , was a shortlived nighmare. I finally gave up after a friend studying teaching technique videotaped my class; I thought about changing my name or wearing a bag on my head, but settled on Prozac. So maybe you should just add "------scared" to your list. Well you asked for any ideas ; this might help. Dave _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 14:50:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06245 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:50:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15685; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:07:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01475 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:05:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA01424 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:04:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.19.1.35] ([172.19.1.35]) by mail.cho.org; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:04:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:05:03 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep!/Laughing Moon Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Lynn Downward >-Poster: Harvey Georgia > >From: AnnoraK@aol.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: OT: Revenge of the Quiet: Meep!/Laughing Moon > >Re: Georgia's question about the Laughing Moon corset pattern -- I built my >first corset last month using this pattern. I made the Dore Straight Seam >out of coutil, with an outside layer of moire. I followed their suggestions > >of making a muslin and doing two test fittings. I had to trim back the >underarm areas about 1/2" - 3/4", but other than that, it went together >smoothly and easily, even with feline interference. But, then I was sorta >paranoid about screwing the whole thing up, so did everything by the rules, >tracing out all lines and markings and all the other stuff that I usually >don't do with the rest of my projects. > >One suggestion, though -- trace out the pattern onto butcher paper, if you >weren't planning to already. >-- > >Thanks Jen. > >One other question - has anybody made the pattern *with* the gores? I'm very >busty, and very hourglass, so I'll have to be making that one :-) > >Cheers >Georgia Yes, I'm busty too - and hippy. I made the gored corset at Costume College 97 in the class taught by Ms. Laughing Moon, JoAnn Bowser. It wasn't my first corset, but the easiest one I've ever made. The pattern was clear and directions are complete. JoAnn had made kits for everyone with everything but the bones included ( a very nice touch - we were all working with her specified materials and production went easier for that). She also managed to have every possible size of her pattern available in muslin so we spent a bit of time figuring out - with her help - exactly what size we were and with her suggesting fitting changes ("Maybe you might want to add some extra in the gore for those extra curves"). I highly suggest taking her class if ever you can. I agree with the earlier poster - take the time to do EVERY step EXACTLY the way the instructions are written. It will save you time and money in the long run. LynnD _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 14:58:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06276 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:57:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17001; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:14:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03184 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:12:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03169 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id NAA13249; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DD5B09.3844BC2@serv.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:14:01 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes-cleavage References: <199909131917.MAA28830@zeus.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > >In the Uk ; gentlemen's cleavage is shown at the rear , below the waist, as > >a result if the trouser being worn on the hips. > In the US, we call that look "plumber's butt". I wouldn't call it an > important part of our culture, though. Maybe it depends on what part of the US you live in because here in my neck of the woods we call it T.V. Repairman Pants. *GGGGG* Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 15:00:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06282 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:00:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17613; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:16:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03730 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:14:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03719 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:14:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Fopdejour1@aol.com Received: from Fopdejour1@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6DUHa07454 (4403) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14fe2857.250eb4dc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:13:16 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST:Cartridge pleating question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Fopdejour1@aol.com In a message dated 9/13/99 6:09:08 PM !!!First Boot!!!, margo@directcon.net writes: << I can't figure out if this is ignorance, jealousy, oblivion, or what, and I really don't know how to deal with the situation. Any ideas? Margo Anderson >> My guess is none of the above....you probably make her feel threatened and unessential. I do not know how "they" cartridge pleated, and actually could rather care less. Personally, I "know" how "I" cartridge pleat, and the authenticity of technique thereof is of no consequence.(or very little) As long as what I have created matches what "they" created...why fuss about using 2,3,27000 needles at a time. I think this lady is a bit on the bonkers side, but I don't know her. Chas _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 15:08:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06305 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:08:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19222; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:25:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06096 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:23:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06081 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:23:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.9.58.36] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990913202321.HECZ22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:23:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0c (197) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:22:31 -0700 Subject: Re: H-COST: metallic embroidery From: "R.L. Shep" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990913202321.HECZ22396.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.9.58.36]> Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "R.L. Shep" Metallic thread embroidery is quite common in India - even today. I was in a factory in south India where they produced this thread. Gold or silver is turned into a very thin wire which is wrapped around a cotton or silk thread core. This is known as *zari*. There are 3 basic types: Gold, silver, and silver which has been gilded to look like gold. And of course they are valued accordingly. There is also a technique knows as *badla* this is actual gold, silver or gilt wire used for embroidery - i.e. it is not wapped around a core and of course is more expensive. Metallic embroidery is used mostly for wedding sarees these days. ~!~ R.L.Shep http://www.rlshep.com ---------- >From: "The Rogue" >To: >Subject: Re: H-COST: metallic embroidery >Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999, 12:59 PM > > >-Poster: "The Rogue" > >Hello, > >I have just started looking into this, too. So far, I have found that the >real metals were actually used, but were spun so finely that they were >usually wrapped around a linen or cotton thread so they could be worked >without constantly breaking. How far back this method goes, I don't know >yet. I do have a Matadors jacket from a turn of the century (1900 :) ) >costume company that is covered in metallic thread done in this manner. I >have seen modern embroidery done on Punjabi tunics with this as well. > >Personally, I use the plain DMC gold, silver or copper threads at this >point, simply due to lack of skill at this time. >Zelda > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank >To: Historic Costume >Date: September 13, 1999 12:28 PM >Subject: H-COST: (No Subject) > > >> >>-Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" >> >>Hi, I have a question that probably sounds really stupid to you gus, but >I'm curious. Way back when, was most metallic embroidery done with actual >metal? and if so, when you guys make authentic costumes do you use actual >metal for this or do you use the "silver" & "gold" thread you can buy now? >I've seen several peices in my life which had this wire type embroidery, of >course all tarnished and in general in bad shape. Mostly on shoes and purses >for some reason. I've read about detail work quite a bit but have never seen >anything about metallic embroidery. I was just wondering what they used? was >is wire of a smaller gage than beading wire (like they use for jewelry) or >what? again I appologize if this is a stupid question. >> >>--- >>Ginnaphure >> >>ICQ# 41340093 >> >>"Last time we mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the >stake." >> >> >> >>Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 15:11:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06328 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:11:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19590; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:28:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06671 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:26:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.cho.org (mail.cho.org [209.77.137.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06660 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:26:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.19.1.35] ([172.19.1.35]) by mail.cho.org; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:26:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: ldownward@198.211.240.120 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37D92A6F.26A9023B@pacbell.net> References: <37D73BA0.6C6C6B53@bc.sympatico.ca> <199909101510.JAA13174@email.boisestate.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:26:35 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Leather doublet questions Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Lynn Downward Linda, Dietmar sent you some very important suggestions on sewing leather. His suggestion for seams is how I was taught to work with leather. HOWEVER, he didn't mention (and neither did my first teacher) that Barge cement is very dangerous to use. Make certain that you're using it outside with the wind blowing the fumes away from you. This is the day to send the kids and animals inside the house for safety. A rubber mallet is usually the way to go when pounding the seams. Lynn >-Poster: Dietmar > >Greetings, > >Linda wrote: > >> I've never sewn on real leather before. I've heard that I need a leather >> sewing machine needle (this is very supple leather and should go through >> the machine ok). I've also heard to use longer stitches than I would with >> woven fabric. > >Leather needles are triangular in cross section which helps cut through the >leather without stretching it. Longer stitches will help make the garment >stronger. If the stitches are too close together, the stitches can rip out, >and you'll end up with a perfect pattern in leather minus the seam allowance. > >> I'm thinking about using some slashing and pinking to add interest and line >> it with a bright, contrasting color to show off the slashes. Any suggestions >> on the slashes? > >I've heard of people using a sharp chisel to make quick consistent slashes. >I've also heard of someone using a drill to make consistent round holes >through many layered pieces at once. (Although, I'm not sure I'd recommend >this) I also understand that it's a good idea to punch a round hole at the end >of long slashes so that the leather is less likely to tear at the ends. > >> Should I keep them smaller (1/2 inch or so big) so that the leather won't >> stretch? Seems to me (the book is at home so I can't reference it now) that >> the pictures I've seen in Janet Arnold show the pinking and slashing to be >> fairly small. > >Consider that the more holes that you make, the more stretch that you will >have. This is true whether you have a handful of large slashes or a myriad or >tiny slashes. In Germany, slashes were often larger than in England, but both >were done. > >> As far as seams go, I was planning to use a modified flat felled seam >> when sewing leather to leather - sew right sides together, trim one >> seam allowance to about 1/4 inch, press both seam allowances in the same >> direction with the longer one on top, then top stitch in place (just like >> regular flat felled only the raw edge isn't turned under to keep bulk down). >> Anyone have experience, suggestions on seaming leather? > >I'd recommend that you sew the seams and hammer the seams open to either side >and glue the seam allowance (1/4" or so) down with barge cement. > >> For sewing leather to fabric lining, I was planning to just stitch as usual >> (with longer stitch length). Will this work? > >Depends on how you are lining it. Is it a bag lining, or are you lining >particular areas only? I'm not sure how you would work a bag lining. Sewing >the lining around each cut out area is the best method, but incredibly >tedious. > >> I assume I don't need to worry about grainline with leather, or do I? >> I know that with synthetic suede (Ultrasuede), you can turn the pattern >> pieces anyway you want. > >There is no grain line per se, but there are differing amounts of stretch in >different parts of the hide. Some hides will have stretch marks that run in a >particular direction. You will also want to work around blemishes in the >surface of the hide. > >> I plan to use three layers: lining, interlining, and leather. Usually >> when I make a doublet or bodice, I treat the lining and interlining as >> one unit. Would it be better to use the interlining (which is the layer >> that will show under the leather) and the leather as one unit instead. >> Or does it matter? > >That seems like an unnecessary number of layers. I see most leather doublets >as unlined. I can't see a satisfactory way of lining with that many layers, >because the leather will stretch in different ways than the fabric lining. >Leather stretches in the heat and shrinks in the cold, but the fabric won't. I >guess that I'd rather line areas of slashing than try to line the whole thing. >Perhaps you can make horizontal rows of slashing and sew the lining down with >a horizontal seam between rows. The slashes don't have to be horizontal, but >arranged in rows horizontally, such as: >---------- >////////// >---------- >Of course, the same thing could be done vertically. > >Any other caveats? > >I don't know of anything off the top of my head, but I'll think about it over >the weekend and see if I come up with anything...and see if anyone else >has input. > >Good luck, > >Dietmar > > >"Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; > over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 15:17:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06349 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:17:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21047; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:34:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08379 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:31:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08370 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id NAA14112; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DD5FA1.78791DA5@serv.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:33:37 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST:Cartridge pleating question References: <14fe2857.250eb4dc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > My guess is none of the above....you probably make her feel threatened and > unessential. I venture to say that just because the instructor felt this way doesn't mean that Margo (or any other student) makes them fell that way. Some instructors aren't comfortable with being questioned period. Two possibilities are that they either aren't confident about their own knowledge and couldn't back up their claims and the other is that some folks do have to know it all. Whatever the reason it doesn't make her claim accurate. While some folks might well have cartidge pleated with three needles all at once, I doubt all folks in period did. Preposterous. I always get a warning ding in my head when someone says this is how they did it and this is the only way. I suddenly doubt either their research or their thinking. Any seamstress who claims that purchased patterns are better than personally fitted patterns and that that is how the way it was done in period doesn't know much I wager. Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 15:18:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06353 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:18:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21269; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:35:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08720 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:32:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08697 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:32:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from goochy.excite.com ([199.172.152.233]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with ESMTP id <19990913203204.KRK25470.fortune@goochy.excite.com> for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:32:04 -0700 From: "Jennifer McNitt" To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: h-costume-digest V4 #567 Message-Id: <937254725.24496.83@excite.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:32:05 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 163.231.237.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Jennifer McNitt" I recently ordered a Uniquely You dress form from Handcock Fabrics for around $120. I paid the full price since there were no sales at the time I ordered it. The form was $40-$50 more at JoAnns. Jen ------------------- From: Margo Anderson Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: H-COST: Dress forms - -Poster: Margo Anderson >I am thinking of getting the uniquely you dress form as well. But from >Greenberg & Hammer, who lists them in their catalog for about $200 instead >of $250, ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 15:21:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06360 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:21:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21815; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:38:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09405 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:35:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vega.utulsa.edu (vega.utulsa.edu [129.244.1.81]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09354 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mcfref55 (ref08.utulsa.edu) by vega.utulsa.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with SMTP id <0FI000J3FMHQD9@vega.utulsa.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:34:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:42:44 -0500 From: Marc Carlson Subject: Re: H-COST: Question about 10th century pants for men In-reply-to: <199909131951.NAA28157@net.indra.com> X-Sender: marc-carlson@pop.utulsa.edu To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3.0.6.32.19990913154244.0079fb50@pop.utulsa.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Marc Carlson Zelda Wrote: >I looked at the pattern - they're a bit different than the pair I worked >from. The pair loaned to me for reference have a separate calf section that >is tighter than the upper legs - quite a bit tighter, and harder to fit. >Would that type of pants also be appropriate for the waistband/front seam >shown in your pattern? It depends on what your ultimate goal is (I'm about to utter heresy here...) If your goal is to get something reasonably close to accurate, that you can learn with, and won't embarrass you as your first attempt in this area, then sure, use what you have and see how you might adapt it to make it appear similar-ish to the *only* example of which I have heard of trousers from this period. Since it's the only example, it can't tell us about other styles and fashions anyway. (Conversely, MOST of the people who will give you a hard time about it not being absolutely perfect have probably never heard of these trousers anyway.) On the other hand, if you want to be *absolutely* accurate, then the examples you have in hand might not be the best examples to use (unless they have documentation I've not heard of, in which case I want it ASAP :) ). Moreover, I'll see about digging out my copy to see if I can tell you anything about the fabric (content, thread count, etc). AND you'll want to get the article yourself. Really, I can't tell you what's appropriate for what you make since I don't know exactly where you want to go with it. All I can tell you is what they pulled from the ground (or in this case, swamp). >Wonderful site! Very helpful and informative! Thank you. I keep hoping to make it and the shoe site better, but "helpful" get's me past the hard spots :) >Zelda >Who has added learning Norwegian to the *to do* list Go for Swedish first. It's a much more 'user friendly" kind of language... Marc _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 15:23:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06365 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:23:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22314; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:41:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10193 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:38:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10174 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:38:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA14486 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA20094 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:39:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:39:05 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes-cleavage In-Reply-To: <37DD5B09.3844BC2@serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: aleed Ah, the joys of linguistics...I've always heard it referred to as "Workman's Cleft". Drea On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Merouda the True of Bornover wrote: > > -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > > > >In the Uk ; gentlemen's cleavage is shown at the rear , below the waist, as > > >a result if the trouser being worn on the hips. > > In the US, we call that look "plumber's butt". I wouldn't call it an > > important part of our culture, though. > > Maybe it depends on what part of the US you live in because here in my neck of > the woods we call it T.V. Repairman Pants. > > *GGGGG* > Cynthia > -- > Cynthia Long > Merouda the True of Bornover > Barony of Madrone > Kingdom of An Tir > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 15:46:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06440 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:46:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26249; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:01:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15349 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:58:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15342 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:58:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Fopdejour1@aol.com Received: from Fopdejour1@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6OZFa22756 (3926) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8f8b07d3.250ebf5f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:58:07 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: metallic embroidery To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Fopdejour1@aol.com Here's my two cents During the Rennaissance and before, metallic embroidery not only existed, but was very commonly found on items of the wealthy. There were two ways (two ways I know of any how) of creating the gold thread....Since Gold is ductile, it could be drawn into very thin strands....however, if one used more than just a small amount (ie, cloth of gold) It would be very heavy. So Gold was welded to silver to form a lighter weight alloy....it was then pounded into sheets of gold leif. It was then cut into very very thin strips and enveloped around saffron dyed linned threads and wound on a spool. This technique was called "spun gold" The step by step instructions for spun gold can be found in the book On Divers Arts....which is a set of treatises written in the Medieval period on various art forms. Hope this helps Chas (unlurking with a vengance) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 15:47:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06444 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:47:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26972; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:04:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16254 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:02:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16241 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:02:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Fopdejour1@aol.com Received: from Fopdejour1@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6NJSa07454 (3926) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2e3dea1e.250ec027@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:01:27 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST:Cartridge pleating question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Fopdejour1@aol.com In a message dated 9/13/99 8:33:24 PM !!!First Boot!!!, keltia@serv.net writes: << I venture to say that just because the instructor felt this way doesn't mean that Margo (or any other student) makes them fell that way. >> Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that Margo intentionally made her feel this way. Some people just feel threatened when they think someone might know as much as they do on a certain subject...I certainly didn't mean to imply that Margo was doing this intentionally..thank you for drawing that to my attention as my wording may have mis communicated what I intended to say. Charles _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 15:57:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06450 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:57:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28845; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:14:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18924 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:12:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from p2.acadia.net (root@p2.acadia.net [205.217.210.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18917 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:12:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.217.218.212] (ell157.acadia.net [205.217.218.212]) by p2.acadia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA05808 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:20:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: pulliam@post.acadia.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:10:57 -0400 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) Subject: H-COST: fulling wool Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) <> Urine was used in fulling and feltmaking to change the ph of the solution (since they didn't have detergents), which helps to lift the cuticles on the fibers and thereby making them latch together more firmly. Animal dung is used in some areas of the world for the same reason. Deborah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 15:57:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06454 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:57:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28886; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:15:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18987 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:12:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from p2.acadia.net (root@p2.acadia.net [205.217.210.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18973 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:12:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.217.218.212] (ell157.acadia.net [205.217.218.212]) by p2.acadia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA05840 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:20:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: pulliam@post.acadia.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:11:08 -0400 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) Subject: H-COST: metallic threads Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) <> Yes, both silver and gold (and gold-washed silver) was used for metallic embroidery. The metal was pounded and folded repeatedly, and then pounded very, very thin, and cut into narrow strips (called lamella). The narrow strips were wound evenly around thread (usually dyed silk), so it's not really "spun." This type was used extensively in the 16, 17 & 18c. Contrary to popular belief, it was not done with wire (and lamella was not simply flattened wire). De borah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 16:16:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06499 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:16:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02384; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23532 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:30:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23519 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:30:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.190] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11Qdg2-0001V0-00; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:30:18 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:56:25 -0700 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: A Tale of 4 sewing machines In-Reply-To: <00a101befe0f$f2261860$4aedfea9@gunsafes> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" I'm reading several lists at once, among them h-costume and SCA Garb. I'd just finished reading a post from a lady who was wanted some explicit help constructing authentic Viking/Verangian Guard-style pants...then I read another: Sounds like you are in desperate need of a Viking. They never need oiling and they are pretty much unjammable ... ... At which point, I was curled up over my keyboard laughing... I'm sorry...I had to share that...and as you see--it was not either post, but my misinterpretation, and all because of the commonality between the two posts of the word Viking... Carol / Gra/inne, who thinks maybe it's time to go do something else for a while... _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 16:16:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06500 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:16:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02389; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:33:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23502 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:30:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23491 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.190] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11Qdfy-0001V0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:30:14 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:31:00 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Wool Question In-Reply-To: <37DD19EC.81751297@serv.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 08:36 AM 09/13/1999 -0700, you wrote: > >-Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover >Gabardine is not a fulled wool but a very fine weave. My dictionary says that >it is a worsted cotton, wool, or rayon twill cloth. Don't know what they might >have called it in the 14th century but twill weaves are certainly appropriate >for that time. Very appropriate in fact. Thank you, Merouda. I was wondering, because I think of fulled wool as heavy, felted stuff...and the gabardines I've used haven't been, but that was the term the lady used to me...so I echoed it. I'm used to the worsted twill mostly. Gra/inne / Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 16:25:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06525 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:25:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03165; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:38:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24949 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:35:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sight.vcn.com (sight.vcn.com [208.162.240.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24918 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:35:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (vcn39.pm3-1.gill.wy.vcn.com [208.162.240.58]) by sight.vcn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21717 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:35:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003d01befe31$88a63880$3af0a2d0@default> From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes-cleavage Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:47:07 -0600 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Frank A Thallas Jr" "Bad Moon A-rising......" sorry. Liadain > Ah, the joys of linguistics...I've always heard it referred to as > "Workman's Cleft". > > Drea > > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Merouda the True of Bornover wrote: > > > > > -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > > > > > >In the Uk ; gentlemen's cleavage is shown at the rear , below the waist, as > > > >a result if the trouser being worn on the hips. > > > In the US, we call that look "plumber's butt". I wouldn't call it an > > > important part of our culture, though. > > > > Maybe it depends on what part of the US you live in because here in my neck of > > the woods we call it T.V. Repairman Pants. > > > > *GGGGG* > > Cynthia > > -- > > Cynthia Long > > Merouda the True of Bornover > > Barony of Madrone > > Kingdom of An Tir > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 16:29:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06532 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:29:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04346; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:46:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26860 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:44:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mb06.swip.net (mb06.swip.net [193.12.122.210]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26846 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:44:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [212.151.169.174] (d212-151-169-174.swipnet.se [212.151.169.174]) by mb06.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA23737 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:44:03 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: md21199@dredd.swip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010201befa59$19076160$de3daccf@e4c2n6> References: <19990908233456.19196.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:44:42 +0100 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ninni Pettersson Subject: Re: H-COST:How many list members? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Ninni Pettersson At 01.20 +0100 99-09-09, Penny Ladnier wrote:> >Are our lurkers introverts???? > >Alright, introverts, stop pausing, and start talking. Let's make Thursday, >9/9/99, Extrovert's Strike Day. We stop talking for ONE day, and let the >introverts speak! We are listening now, its your forum! So *this* is why I had over 500 mails waiting for me after I had been away for only 5 days :-) Mostly I lurk and learn on this list, though last autumn I were rather active asking a lot of questions, when trying to make a Tudor costume for a doll. Presently I mostly send the occasional post about the non-existing progress on my planned development of the web-page for the doll costume :-) So far, I've finally got the new pictures into the computer. Now it only remains to actually write and design the bloody thing! And since my bad back prevents me from spending too much time in front of the computer, this will probably take another 6 months. And that damn back prevents me from doing much sewing either :-( Well, that's enough grumbling from me on this topic. Back to my mail back-log, still another 149 messages to read . . . /Ninni Pettersson -------------------------------------------------------------- Ninni M Pettersson -- Stockholm, Sweden -- vidumavi@swipnet.se Tudor Doll Costume -- http://home9.swipnet.se/~w-93136/doll1.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 16:35:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06544 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:35:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05470; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:53:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28559 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:50:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from email.boisestate.edu (email.boisestate.edu [132.178.16.40]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28533 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cobfac.boisestate.edu (cobfac.boisestate.edu [132.178.51.3]) by email.boisestate.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15272 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:52:08 -0600 Message-Id: <199909132152.PAA15272@email.boisestate.edu> Received: from COBFAC/SpoolDir by cobfac.boisestate.edu (Mercury 1.44); 13 Sep 99 15:50:22 -0700 Received: from SpoolDir by COBFAC (Mercury 1.44); 13 Sep 99 15:49:54 -0700 From: "Linda Yordy" Organization: College of Business & Economics To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:49:47 -0700 Subject: H-COST: Re: Leather doublet questions Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <37D92A6F.26A9023B@pacbell.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Linda Yordy" Thanks to all for the advice. I have a Spanish surcote to make before I can start the doublet. In the meantime, I'll do some testing on a scrap of the leather. One suggestion I got came from someone here in town. He said if my machine can't handle the leather, to cut out the pieces and mark them, then take them to someone he knows that will sew them on an industrial machine for a fee. Thanks again, Linda Yordy Phone: 208/426-4034 Boise State University Center for Management Development 1910 University Drive Boise, ID 83725-1660 ******************************************************** Yordy's Law #3: When wearing white, apply your lunch directly to your shirt -- it will end up there anyway. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 16:43:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06551 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:43:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06999; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:01:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00661 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:58:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.vci.net (smtp.vci.net [207.162.160.12]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00644 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:58:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vci.net (pah-c1-251.vci.net [207.162.162.251] (may be forged)) by smtp.vci.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA14941 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:58:27 -0500 Message-ID: <37DD7421.6C27DDB0@vci.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:01:05 -0500 From: "schuck@vci.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-FR,de,ru,es-AR,sv MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: metallic embroidery References: <199909132031.OAA08425@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "schuck@vci.net" My $.02 You can embroider with metals, but you may find you need to handle the threads delicately, especially the threads that are made completely of metal. You can also incorporate metal in your designs by "couching" it. You lay the gold wire on the fabric (which should be strong and firm) and secure the wire to the fabric using overcast stitches with thread of a similar color or contrasting, depending on the effect you desire. There are very useful directions for sewing with gold in _The Complete Encyclopedia of Needlework_ by Therese de Dillmont. It was originally published in 1884 and has 700 pgs of info about whitework, linen embroidery, applique, crewel, tapestry, lacemaking, and more. It is one of my favorite handwork books. The methods are not organized by date or place of origin (she just tells you how do the needlework), but I think that you can probably recreate the look of just about any historical embroidery or lace detail using the instructions in this book. jb <<<>>> - --- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 16:45:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06555 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:45:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07351; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:03:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01077 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:00:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01065 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip86.an3-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.14.86]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02162 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DD7465.B52025C2@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:02:17 -0400 From: Laurel Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03C-NSCP (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Wool question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Laurel Wilson > I think that wools weren't commonly heavily fulled till the 14th C > -- properly felt was made from unspun wool. Somebody wrote: I suspect that fulled wool was in period long before the 14th century. I don't know what was happening earlier, but by the eleventh century, when the horizontal loom was being used, fulling was an extremely important part of the textile production process, to the point where mechanical fulling milles were being recorded, even that early, although the process remained basically hand done for the most part. Most wools, broadcloth especially, was extremely heavily fulled, to the point where - you couldn't see any weaving pattern, so it was mostly done in plain weave - fabrics might lose up to 30% in length, 35-40% in width, or up to 60% in surface area. After fulling and various other processes, the nap would be raised and then sheared off. This process might be repeated more than once for fine cloths such as 'scarlet' (the finest and most expensive woolen cloth, not a color). The result was a cloth that was heavy and practically impermeable. Also, really good cloths might be raised and sheared repeatedly during the course of their life as clothing--royal wardrbe accounts often have records of payments made to shearers--which shows you how thick the cloth must have been. To anybody who's interested in the processes: a book called *The Dictionary of the Middle Ages*, edited by Joseph R. Strayer, has two articles in its "Scandinavian Languages to Textiles, Islamic" volume. Both are by John Munro, an economic historian with a special interest in textiles; one is on Textile Technology and the other on Textile Workers. The shrinkage figures I gave above come from the first one. Lauri _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 16:51:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06564 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:51:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08146; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02210 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:05:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.worldaccessnet.com (IDENT:0XsiuRlBcFrhizGFwPOEHWnw2PrcY64n@worldaccessnet.com [206.190.139.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA02187 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:05:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vortex.worldaccessnet.com id m11QeDn-000dVEC; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:05:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail3.2.0.91#4) Received: from max6-06.worldaccessnet.com(206.190.132.154), claiming to be "sidne" via SMTP by worldaccessnet.com, id smtpdAAAa005GT; Mon Sep 13 15:05:00 1999 Message-ID: <002201befe33$f0238740$9a84bece@sidne> From: "Sidne Kneeland" To: Subject: H-COST: h-costume, How many members? 384 ! Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:02:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Sidne Kneeland" Greetings, I am a sometimes poster, sometimes lurker. I also read other lists and follow what I can, learn where I can. I hate to burst the bubble of having everyone check-in, so go ahead and keep on. On using the command to the majordomo - the listserve's origin, 'who h-costume' I received a list of 384 people receiving this list via the listserve. No, I wouldn't spam the list and I hope there anti-spam measures set up. There are some commands that listserve lists and other email lists have in common. This one does not really carry its back files/archives, and has no other files to access. For more info on list servers and stuff, I found Patrick Crispin's articles Roadmap 'Guide to the Internet' very useful: http://www.nmusd.k12.ca.us/Resources/Roadmap/welcome.html Sidne "Psychoanalysis is expensive, bubble wrap is cheap. You chose. " _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 16:56:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06568 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:56:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09048; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:13:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03468 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:10:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ptlsjlab1.phoenix.com (ms3.phoenix.com [134.122.1.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03456 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cbarnes by ptlsjlab1.phoenix.com via 134.122.3.107 with SMTP-TCP; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:16:41 -0700 From: "Cynthia Barnes" To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: H-COST: What to do with a Uniquely You Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:11:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000001befe13$5785c1d0$6b037a86@cbarnes.phoenix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Cynthia Barnes" >OK, so who knows of a terrific dress form that 's out there, that's easily adjustable between two women's sizes - my friend and I wanna share, but she's 4 inches taller and thinner! >Am I dreaming??? Do not get anything *except* an Uniquely You. They're fantastic! Expensive, tho'. Here's how to share: buy 2 covers for the dummy. When it's your turn w/ the dummy, take your friends cover off, put your cover on. If you're both in the size range of 1 dummy, you can share. If in doubt, buy the next size larger. She'll squish. Check the under bust size, too. They dont publish this number, but if you have a small ribcage for your size, this can end up too small. Then your close-fitting dresses cant be made on the dummy. Have a Very Experienced fitter do your cover & your friend's. Uniquely You's corset up marvelously. Some people have 2 or more covers; one for each era they costume. I.e. you might make 1 to fit your natural, modern shape & another that's for the "highbreasted" flat-front corsetted eras. Some modifications: I have reshaped mine somewhat to compensate for protruding shoulder blades & forward thrust shoulders. I cut off the shoulder back & slipped the excess foam under the cover into the shoulderblade area. I find that the neck is quite far forward (I have very vertical posture), but havent figured out how I want to adjust this. Collared jackets & highnecked gowns are best made right on the person rather than the dummy. Some people add "birdseed boobs" to mimic the movement upwards that natural ones have when corseted. Take a pair of panty hose, snip off toes, fill toes w/ "sufficient" birdseed, stitch shut. Slit the underbreast of the dummy, insert seedpouch, put "highbreasted" cover on dummy. If this makes you squeamish, just tuck a little quilt batt between the cover & the dummy till you get the correct shape. --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 16:58:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06572 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:58:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09455; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:15:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04029 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:13:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta2-svc.virgin.net (mta2-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.143]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04017 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:13:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.194.186]) by mta2-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19990913221201.ZNY15527.mta2-svc@LOCALNAME> for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:12:01 +0100 Message-ID: <37DDDC13.318B@virgin.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:24:35 -0700 From: Dawn Organization: ages of elegance www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN712-000 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: (No Subject) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dawn Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank wrote: > > -Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" > > Silver and gold have always been and still are used for ecclesiastical and regalia decoration, Whether it be actual sewing threads or fine 'tubes' of netal which is couched down . Unfortunately the percentage of metal used is a lot less these days than it was even at the end of the war (only 9% today). It is the same with military lace. As I specialise in making repro uniforms this is something I deal with on a day to day basis and get my supplies from the MOD suppliers in England direct although alot of this work is now going abroad to India because of cost. The Royal School of Needlework at Hampton court as part of their apprenticeship teach goldwork and are responsible for the conservation of many embroideries of this type. My other half specialises in repro regalia and uniform embroidery in gold and silver work (he's self taught because of the necessity to finish my uniforms off, I don't embroider unless I have to it always was man's work and I don't see why it should be! any different today) making tail ornaments, badges etc he also spins his own bullions for eppaulettes etc and he's in the process of embroidering an 18th century stomacher in metal threads includung real spangles . Now I can get real I don't use fake I'm afraid > > --- > Ginnaphure > > ICQ# 41340093 > > "Last time we mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the stake." > > Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 17:00:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06578 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:00:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09934; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:18:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04650 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:15:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04640 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id PAA18404; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DD7803.6F2785C8@serv.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:17:39 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Wool question References: <37DD7465.B52025C2@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > > I think that wools weren't commonly heavily fulled till the 14th C > > -- properly felt was made from unspun wool. Something I forgot to add. I don't know about dates, as I said, but I do know that fulled wool and felted wool are not the same thing. The difference is the process and when it takes place in the life of the wool. Felting is done after washing (and maybe after carding) and is not woven but fulling only takes place after the wool is cleaned, carded, spun, and woven. Merouda -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 17:03:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06587 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:03:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10271; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:19:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04977 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:17:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04967 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:17:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id PAA18414; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DD7857.4F31403@serv.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:19:03 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST:Cartridge pleating question References: <2e3dea1e.250ec027@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > I certainly didn't mean to imply that > Margo was doing this intentionally..thank you for drawing that to my > attention as my wording may have mis communicated what I intended to say. Of course you didn't. :) Email is such a tough medium to use sometimes. :) Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 17:03:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06591 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:03:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10498; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:20:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05267 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:18:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ptlsjlab1.phoenix.com (ms3.phoenix.com [134.122.1.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA05241 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:18:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cbarnes by ptlsjlab1.phoenix.com via 134.122.3.107 with SMTP-TCP; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:26:17 -0700 From: "Cynthia Barnes" To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: H-COST: sailor's palm Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:20:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000101befe14$af494c10$6b037a86@cbarnes.phoenix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Cynthia Barnes" > Has anyone handsewn a corset, dresses or > doublet? Any advice would be helpful. Try using a sailor's palm for pushing the needle thru a corset. Saves much wear & tear on the fingers. --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 17:26:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06658 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:26:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13284; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:44:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10596 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:41:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10585 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:41:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA20190 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA00080 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:41:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:41:41 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: Re: H-COST: sailor's palm In-Reply-To: <000101befe14$af494c10$6b037a86@cbarnes.phoenix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: aleed On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Cynthia Barnes wrote: > > > > Has anyone handsewn a corset, dresses or > > doublet? Any advice would be helpful. Run your thread over a block of beeswax before sewing, and it will eliminate many of your tangles. Using silk thread does the same. If you aren't familiar with the wide range of available sewing stitches--running stitch, back stitch, hem-stitch, blind-stitch, etc.--check out a book on sewing or such from the library and read up on them. Although you don't need to know lots of fancy stitches to sew by hand, it's nice to know something of what exists if you want to do something special. And don't worry if your seams wander all over the place at first; it takes some practice to get a straight, even seam. Hand-sew a 10-gore greenland dress, and I guarantee that by the time you're done your seams & stitches will be the envy of all your friends. :) Good luck, Drea _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 17:28:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06666 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:28:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13788; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:46:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11054 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:43:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11047 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:43:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA20267 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA00244 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:44:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:44:01 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Source for real gold-wrapped thread? In-Reply-To: <37DDDC13.318B@virgin.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: aleed Do you have the address, phone or email of a company that sells the heavy gold and silver wrapped cording, or the metal "tubes" which are sewn down? Do tell! Thanks, Drea On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Dawn wrote: > > -Poster: Dawn > > Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank wrote: > > > > -Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" > > > > Silver and gold have always been and still are used for ecclesiastical and regalia decoration, Whether it be actual sewing threads or fine 'tubes' of netal which is couched down . Unfortunately the percentage of metal used is a lot less these days than it was even at the end of the war (only 9% today). It is the same with military lace. As I specialise in making repro uniforms this is something I deal with on a day to day basis and get my supplies from the MOD suppliers in England direct although alot of this work is now going abroad to India because of cost. The Royal School of Needlework at Hampton court as part of their apprenticeship teach goldwork and are responsible for the conservation of many embroideries of this type. My other half specialises in repro regalia and uniform embroidery in gold and silver work (he's self taught because of the necessity to finish my uniforms off, I don't embroider unless I have to it always was man's work and I don't see why it should be! > any different today) making tail ornaments, badges etc he also spins his own bullions for eppaulettes etc and he's in the process of embroidering an 18th century stomacher in metal threads includung real spangles . Now I can get real I don't use fake I'm afraid > > > > --- > > Ginnaphure > > > > ICQ# 41340093 > > > > "Last time we mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the stake." > > > > Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 18:00:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06718 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:00:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19198; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:18:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17497 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:13:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (mta2.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.123]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17479 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:13:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-71-250.irvn11.pacbell.net [206.170.71.250]) by mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01434 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DD0620.1110E2F4@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:11:57 +0000 From: Dietmar Organization: Completely Disorganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: What's a DH? References: <02a501befcd4$58986040$3c3084ce@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, I won't say who it was, but someone wrote: > But I prefer to overdress for any occasion rather than underdressed > as does my DH. I've seen a number of posts referring to a DH. Maybe it's the baseball player in me, but I can't imagine why everyone has a designated hitter. Okay, I'm just a dumb male, but what is being referred to here? Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 18:01:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06727 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:01:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19201; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17474 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:13:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (mta2.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.123]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17464 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:13:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-71-250.irvn11.pacbell.net [206.170.71.250]) by mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01545 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DD226D.990A76D6@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:12:32 +0000 From: Dietmar Organization: Completely Disorganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: Boring clothes? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, Katharine wrote: > So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday life, > when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a fashionable/historical > flair, or do you go for simple & basic? Well, I like to think that I'm always dressed nicely (unless I'm doing grubby housework, gardening, etc.), but my choices are severely limited by two factors; I'm male and allergic to synthetics. I spent some critical formative years (age 12-18) living on an island in the Central Pacific and the rest of my life in sunny Southern California. Thus, my preference is for shorts and a polo or t-shirt. There are only two or three weeks out of the year that I find it necessary to wear jeans. Even when I'm dressing casually, I do my best to make sure that I choose colors and patterns that match each other and my coloring. Thankfully, I've never worked in a field that required a necktie. I've never been the type to wear boring plain white or light blue dress shirts. I like to wear tasteful stripes and plaids and the occasional print, usually leaning towards the classic styles rather than anything outlandish. Slacks are usually pleated front cotton twills in various colors. Never corduroy or cuffs. I don't have a suit (though I should), but wear a silk or linen blazer with a tie that's interesting, but neither plain nor gaudy. I like to wear sweaters and jackets, but around here we don't have much call for them. Of course, this hasn't stopped me from collecting more than I'll never need. My biggest dilemma is shoes. I'm very picky about them and won't wear anything that looks like a boat shoe, golf shoe, or bowling shoe. Unfortunately, that's 99% of what is available. I'm sure that's more than anyone wanted to know. :-) Regards, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 18:07:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06731 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:07:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20092; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:24:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19359 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:22:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vortex.engr.washington.edu (vortex.engr.washington.edu [128.95.19.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19354 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from serv.net by vortex.engr.washington.edu (8.8.7/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id QAA21137; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DD8790.5493E2C9@serv.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:24:01 -0700 From: Merouda the True of Bornover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: What's a DH? References: <02a501befcd4$58986040$3c3084ce@com> <37DD0620.1110E2F4@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > > But I prefer to overdress for any occasion rather than underdressed > > as does my DH. > > I've seen a number of posts referring to a DH. Maybe it's the baseball player > in me, but I can't imagine why everyone has a designated hitter. Okay, I'm > just a dumb male, but what is being referred to here? DH = Dear Husband :) Cynthia -- Cynthia Long Merouda the True of Bornover Barony of Madrone Kingdom of An Tir _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 18:14:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06737 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:14:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21061; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:31:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20738 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:29:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20724 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:29:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p30.directcon.net [206.170.184.79]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27474 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909132327.QAA27474@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: What's a DH? Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson A >DH = Dear Husband :) Or Damn Husband, depending on how the week is going. Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 18:19:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06742 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:19:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21970; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:37:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21218 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:31:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay2.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay2.core.theplanet.net [194.152.65.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21202 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:31:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem81.hulk.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.81] helo=herimats) by mailrelay2.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11QfZd-0002hx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:31:49 +0100 Message-ID: <002301befe40$29b4f640$51065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <000101befe14$af494c10$6b037a86@cbarnes.phoenix.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: sailor's palm Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:30:45 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" Rather than go looking for a sailors palm.which can often be a bit too bulky for every day stitching - you will always be putting in on and off. ; Why not make a smaller one yourself , with a coin sewn firmly between to pieces of thick material and with a presstud at the back of the hand to keep it tight; It gives you enough for a heavy push and doesnt get in the way when positioning material or threading needles. Dave +++++++++++++++++ L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters > > -Poster: "Cynthia Barnes" > > > > Has anyone handsewn a corset, dresses or > > doublet? Any advice would be helpful. > > Try using a sailor's palm for pushing the needle thru a corset. Saves much > wear & tear on the fingers. > > --cin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 18:56:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06837 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:56:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26589; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28761 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:11:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from colquitt.sccsi.com (darren.bolding.org [207.90.208.114] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28754 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:11:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.54.227.65] ([209.207.57.105]) by colquitt.sccsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07467 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:11:05 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: melanie@pop.faucet.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <37D92A6F.26A9023B@pacbell.net> <37D73BA0.6C6C6B53@bc.sympatico.ca> <199909101510.JAA13174@email.boisestate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:10:00 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: H-COST: Re: Leather doublet questions Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Melanie Schuessler >-Poster: Lynn Downward > >Linda, > >Dietmar sent you some very important suggestions on sewing leather. His >suggestion for seams is how I was taught to work with leather. HOWEVER, he >didn't mention (and neither did my first teacher) that Barge cement is very >dangerous to use. I second this warning and would recommend as an alternative a non-toxic adhesive called "Leather Weld." While I am not expert in leather-working, this has worked for me in the past. I believe it can be gotten through Tandy. Does anyone else have any experience with it? Melanie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 19:03:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06864 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:03:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27676; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:21:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00113 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:18:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f251.hotmail.com [207.82.251.142]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA00108 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:18:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 83700 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 1999 00:18:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19990914001814.83699.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.172.154.68 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:18:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.172.154.68] From: "Andrea navin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Ranting against fashion idiots Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:18:14 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Andrea navin" g. Was this a >fluke or has medieval really come back as a fashion influence with teens? > I missed delurking day but I just had to answer the question for my generation. Yes medieval is back. Not for teeny bopper, Britney Spears-lover people. But for the less "mainstream" teenagers, yes. Two of my friends are going medieval for Prom this year: both are getting their dresses at the local medieval shop which has two or three locations and just opened a Victorian shop as well. (Unfortunantly they think I am going medieval with them despite the fact that I have told them thousands of times I'm going 19th century. And they still say " Yeah, like I said, you're going medieval" *sigh*) I am just looking forward to the faces of the people on the subway when we show up in or medieval/19th century attire :) Andrea And yes my hair is red! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 19:03:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06867 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:03:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27659; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:21:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29953 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:18:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29932 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:18:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Morghana@aol.com Received: from Morghana@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6JSUa22757 (3975) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15551502.250eee31@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:17:53 EDT Subject: H-COST: Re: DH To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Morghana@aol.com In a message dated 9/13/99 7:37:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Margo Anderson writes: << Or Damn Husband, depending on how the week is going. >> I almost choked on my tea!!! Thanks EVER so much for that bit of day-brightening!!! :::still chuckling and going back to sewing the un-authentic but gonna-be-fun silk plaid skirt to wear to Faire this coming Saturday for "Scottish Weekend":::: ~Morghana _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 19:07:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06877 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:07:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28173; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:24:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00752 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:22:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00745 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-55-161.s161.tnt8.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.55.161]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA24832 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004d01befe46$cf13cde0$d73faccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <199909131917.MAA28830@zeus.directcon.net> <37DD5B09.3844BC2@serv.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress/was Boring clothes-cleavage Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:19:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I always call it the Refrigerator Repair Man. Have you ever seen the scene on Saturday Night Live where Bill Murray (a.k.a. Tad) and Gilda had the frig repaired. The repairman bent over and his moon shined. The two of the giggled themselves silly. Later... Penny ********************************** Deadline for the Online Costume Ball is Sept. 21 http://www.costumegallery.com/Costume_Ball/99/attend.htm > Maybe it depends on what part of the US you live in because here in my neck of > the woods we call it T.V. Repairman Pants. > > *GGGGG* > Cynthia > -- > Cynthia Long > Merouda the True of Bornover > Barony of Madrone > Kingdom of An Tir > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 19:08:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06881 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:08:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28407; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:26:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01010 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:23:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01000 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:23:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p44.directcon.net [206.170.184.93]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA04084 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909140022.RAA04084@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Leather doublet questions Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson > >I second this warning and would recommend as an alternative a non-toxic >adhesive called "Leather Weld." While I am not expert in leather-working, >this has worked for me in the past. I believe it can be gotten through >Tandy. Does anyone else have any experience with it? > Yes, since the leather business my husband and I used to have was during my two pregnancies and subsequent brestfeeding, there was No Way I was going near barge cement. I used Leather Weld instead. It doesn't have the "instant hold" that Barge and other contact cements have, so you have to clamp, weight, or otherwise hold the pieces together until it dries, but then the bond is very strong For sewing garment weight leather, I usually used a mock welt seam, with both seam allowances folded to one side and then topstitched. To secure the seams before stitching I used Dritz's basting tape, which works wonderfully well. Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 19:09:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06885 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:09:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28529; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:26:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01127 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:24:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from viper.columbus.rr.com (viper.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.254]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01113 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:24:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc.columbus.rr.com (dhcp31161186.columbus.rr.com [24.31.161.186]) by viper.columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA25716 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <016a01befe47$c544b4e0$baa11f18@dsc.columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Wool question Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:26:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! > After fulling and various other processes, the nap would be raised and then >sheared off. This process might be repeated more than once for fine cloths >such as 'scarlet' (the finest and most expensive woolen cloth, not a color). >The result was a cloth that was heavy and practically impermeable. Also, >really good cloths might be raised and sheared repeatedly during the course of >their life as clothing--royal wardrbe accounts often have records of payments >made to shearers--which shows you how thick the cloth must have been. Yep. The household accounts of Eleanor, Countess of Leicester (the first non-royal household accounts extant) document her sending "Hick the Taylor" off to London to have some clothes sheared. As I recall, it wasn't cheap. However, it doesn't necessarily mean the cloth was thick--just dense. Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 19:31:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06901 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:31:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01860; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:48:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04983 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:45:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.nightowl.net (mail.nightowl.net [207.124.43.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04971 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:45:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (robin@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by mail.nightowl.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA03017 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:53:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA20929 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:51:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:51:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Subject: Re: H-COST: Wool question In-Reply-To: <37DD7465.B52025C2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Robin Netherton As long as we're on the topic... Can worsted be fulled? I had the impression that it could not. Was worsted (as we know it today) used in period? If so, was it valued? I remember a discussion on this list a couple of years ago about this, but the only thing I came away from it with was that the meaning of "worsted" as used in medieval documents may not have been the same as we use now. Which of course makes things only more confusing. One reason I am suddenly concerned about this is that I have acquired about 60 yards of pieces of fine wool suiting -- all of them 100 percent worsted, very lightweight and smooth, in black, dark blue, grey, red, and taupe. I'm dying to use them for things like men's hose and women's fitted underdresses. But only if I'm sure that worsted, rather than just plain wool, would have been valued. I am highly allergic to wool myself, but I don't react to these wonderfully smooth worsteds, so this is the only way I'll have a wool fitted gown of my own. --Robin _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 19:53:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06912 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:53:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04215; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:10:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08204 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:08:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web1401.mail.yahoo.com (web1401.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.165]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA08198 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:08:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990914011037.15141.rocketmail@web1401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.226.171.40] by web1401.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:10:37 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:10:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Carol Mitchell Subject: H-COST: Cavalier Association To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Carol Mitchell Marsha, is there an address, either e-mail or snailmail for the group? I'd like to include it in the Midwest resource list. Thanks Carol Carol Mitchell President Chicagoland Costumer's Guild __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 20:27:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06992 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:27:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07667; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13252 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:41:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vrcgate.suffolk.lib.ny.us ([199.173.91.17]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13244 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:41:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bchamber (dial-in157.suffolk.lib.ny.us [199.173.93.157]) by vrcgate.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA17648 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000301befe52$4cec98e0$9d5dadc7@bchamber> From: "Beth" To: References: <199909131804.LAA20666@zeus.directcon.net> Subject: Re: H-COST:Cartridge pleating question Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:43:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Beth" > This same person, BTW, doesn't think I should be drafting my own patterns. > She wants me to use Past Patterns or some other company's pattern, "because > that way it's historically accurate". Unless I've lost my mind (always possible) there were NO commercial patterns in the 1850's so you are MORE accurate by drafting you own. I'll be the first to admit that the first bodice I drafted for myself was far from accurate but that was due to a lack of understanding of the differences between 19th and 20th century cutting and draping. Now that I understand how the different cuts works with the grain line etc. I think I am more accurate drafting an item for MY body - just as my great, great, etc. grandmothers would have done for themselves. Beth _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 20:27:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06999 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:27:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07668; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13227 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:41:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vrcgate.suffolk.lib.ny.us ([199.173.91.17]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13220 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:41:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bchamber (dial-in157.suffolk.lib.ny.us [199.173.93.157]) by vrcgate.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA17642 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000201befe52$4ab371c0$9d5dadc7@bchamber> From: "Beth" To: References: <19990913.114513.-232099.0.AnnetteAllen@juno.com> Subject: Re: Red hair was (Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:26:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Beth" > > As I grew older and my hair grew darker, I insisted on blonde and > everyone else kept calling it "strawberry blonde". I began wearing > jewel tones and people began asking me what color my eyes are. > (I call them Hazel Grey, because they are grey when I am naked in > a cream colored bathroom with no makeup on.) They range from > grey to bright blue, blue, green, blue-green, and/or yellow. > (Apparently, > they turn yellow when I am very angry, according to my husband, who > would be the most likely to know!) > > I cannot use ash colors on my hair; it turns green. I cannot use gold > colors on my hair, it turns red. Any genetisists on the list?? Are blond/brown hair turning red and chameleon colored eyes genetically linked?? In college I started answering the "what color ARE you eyes?" question with "I don't know! What color do you think they are?" It drove one boyfriend absolutely crazy for a while - but then he deserved all that and way more :) Beth _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 20:48:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07103 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:48:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10358; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:06:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16565 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:04:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from alpha.pbc.adelphia.net (alpha.pbc.adelphia.net [24.48.21.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16551 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from antiquity.pbc.adelphia.net (surf12-151-237.pbc.adelphia.net [24.48.151.237]) by alpha.pbc.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id WAA18490 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <014c01befe55$4b42d920$ed973018@pbc.adelphia.net> From: "Erica Pence" To: References: <19990913.114513.-232099.0.AnnetteAllen@juno.com> <000201befe52$4ab371c0$9d5dadc7@bchamber> Subject: Re: Red hair was (Re: H-COST: How Costumers dress) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:03:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0149_01BEFE33.C3357400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Erica Pence" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0149_01BEFE33.C3357400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <
<<Any genetisists on the list?? Are = blond/brown hair=20 turning red and chameleon
colored eyes genetically linked?? =
 
One of my best friends has a degree in genetics.  I can give = her a=20 call and see if she can enlighten the list as far as redheads and an = interest in=20 costume history.  I'll let you all know if she has anything to say = about=20 it.  I'm a blonde gone red and now going back to blonde.  =
 
Well, need to get off the computer.  I have to finish = preparing for=20 Hurricane Floyd.  I'll probably away from the computerfor a couple = days,=20 for those of you trying to get a hold of me.  Wish me luck.
 
Erica Pence
Robes of Antiquity
www.robesofantiquity.com
= Online=20 store coming soon!
 
------=_NextPart_000_0149_01BEFE33.C3357400-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 20:54:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07165 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:54:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10896; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17567 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:09:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17555 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:09:51 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6SVB0Ltrbo (4246) for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6415f683.250f084b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:09:15 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: (No Subject) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbraKat@aol.com No your question is NOT really stupid.They did use real gold.People have been embellishing their clothes and embroideries for at least a couple of thousand years. One of my passions happens to be metal thread embroidery.Specifically Elizabethean style.The metal was used in several different forms. There were twisted braids of metal over silk, there were hammered lengths of gold,called plate;there were the 'metal springs', gold bullions, in a variety of textures: smooth, checky,purl..It is still possible to buy this stuff with some of the real gold or silver in. Most of the stuff you will buy in the fabric or needlework store is likely to be thread wrapped lurex , though.I get a lot of my stuff from Hedgehog Handiworks, here in California. I'll take a quick look a little later --when I'm not so rushed and can point you in the direction of some good informative books with descriptions and techniques how-tos if you are interested. Cheers-- albra gotta run, right now _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 21:23:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07219 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:23:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14406; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:41:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21566 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:38:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mc-qout2.whowhere.com (nytoday.whowhere.com [209.1.236.38]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA21558 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:38:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by shared1-mail.whowhere.com; Mon Sep 13 19:37:47 1999 To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:37:47 -0700 From: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: H-COST: metallic embroidery X-Sender-Ip: 199.44.36.111 Organization: email.women.com (http://www.emailwomen.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Ginnaphure Jayne Fairbank" On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:09:15 AlbraKat wrote: > >-Poster: AlbraKat@aol.com There were >twisted braids of metal over silk, there were hammered lengths of gold,called >plate;there were the 'metal springs', gold bullions, in a variety of >textures: I've also seen the metal springs (I've seen them used to make petals of flowers) but I wasn't sure if that was the same thing. Thank all for you who replied:) it's appreciated. I see that the "metallic" thread now isn't too terribly different than it was. I pulls some apart and it's the "metallic" part wrapped around a white thread. The metallic part seems to be plastic of some sort, sort of like thin strands of mylar or whatever it is they use to make Christmas tree icicles out of. Sort of like how you all said they wrapped the threads in the fine metals. Very interesting. You all are a wealth of information! --- Ginnaphure ICQ# 41340093 "Last time we mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the stake." Get free e-mail with a women.com membership at http://women.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 22:59:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07321 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:59:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25494; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:16:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05001 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:13:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04994 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29426 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-177.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.177]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02372 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006501befe68$85ee6680$b419fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST:Cartridge pleating question Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:20:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" By her insistence on holding multiple needles at one time (and if this method turns out to be actually true), it makes me wonder if there was a tool for this. Something made to hold multiple needles and keep them aligned perfectly. Hmmm... I wonder if they had one of these tools on the "Liar's Club" and didn't really know what it was. ;) Margo, I think I would go back to the person and ask her to show you how she knows this. Also, what do you call what you do, if it is not cartridge pleating. I am very curious, and I think I would politely call her on it if I were in your shoes. If nothing else, for the learning value alone. Though, it is possible that the only thing you learn that she is full of you know what. Once you find out, could you share with us? I am sure lots of us would want to know. Michelle I do not know how "they" cartridge pleated, and actually could >rather care less. Personally, I "know" how "I" cartridge pleat, and the >authenticity of technique thereof is of no consequence.(or very little) As >long as what I have created matches what "they" created...why fuss about >using 2,3,27000 needles at a time >Chas > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 23:16:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07378 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:16:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26613; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:34:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07291 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:31:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07285 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:31:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home.com ([24.1.35.138]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990914043140.HNCJ16271.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@home.com> for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:31:40 -0700 Message-ID: <37DDCFC2.3B386BFF@home.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:32:02 -0500 From: Kat & Kent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume-digest@indra.com" Subject: H-COST: Period Clothing Coming Back? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Kat & Kent Has anyone else seen the corset on the cover of the US September Cosmopolitan magazine? I was so fascinated by it (given our recent thread about teens wanting Ren/Medieval for Prom) that I picked it up. Kat _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 23:24:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07411 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:24:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27071; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08140 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:39:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.246]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08122 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:39:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from raiden.lightspeed.net (raiden.lightspeed.net [209.165.6.245]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11259 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunsafes (209-165-57-177.lightspeed.net [209.165.57.177]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19679 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00c001befe6c$22079d40$b419fea9@gunsafes> From: "Michelle" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: What's a DH? Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:46:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Michelle" 'Divorced Husband' is what popped into my mind! Michelle >-Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover > >> > But I prefer to overdress for any occasion rather than underdressed >> > as does my DH. >> >> I've seen a number of posts referring to a DH. Maybe it's the baseball player >> in me, but I can't imagine why everyone has a designated hitter. Okay, I'm >> just a dumb male, but what is being referred to here? > >DH = Dear Husband :) Cynthia _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Mon Sep 13 23:51:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07467 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:51:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29019; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:08:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11207 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:05:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11197 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:05:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA34980 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:05:36 -0700 Received: from ip-55-022.sna.primenet.com(207.218.55.22), claiming to be "pavilion" via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdZhWuaa; Mon Sep 13 22:05:25 1999 Message-Id: <4.1.19990913220547.00cd9c80@pop.primenet.com> X-Sender: kittykat@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:06:34 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Svanhildr Valdimarsdottir Subject: Re: H-COST: What's a DH? In-Reply-To: <00c001befe6c$22079d40$b419fea9@gunsafes> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Svanhildr Valdimarsdottir Another list I was on used DH as Darling (or Dratted, depending on reference) Husband. Svanny At 09:46 PM 09/13/1999 , you wrote: > >-Poster: "Michelle" > > > >'Divorced Husband' is what popped into my mind! > Michelle >>-Poster: Merouda the True of Bornover >> >>> > But I prefer to overdress for any occasion rather than underdressed >>> > as does my DH. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 00:31:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07555 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:31:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02236; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15710 for h-costume-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:46:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f298.hotmail.com [207.82.251.190]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA15704 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:46:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 33890 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 1999 05:45:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19990914054539.33889.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 166.90.42.179 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:45:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [166.90.42.179] From: "L.L. Johnson" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: No harm done/thanks for the info/Re: Source for gemstone bead buttons Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:45:39 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "L.L. Johnson" Hi Danielle No you haven't offended me at all. I know the difference between lapis and howlite. :-) Since Kat mentioned that she couldn't afford the real thing, I was just giving her an alternative that is about the same shade of blue but is much cheaper than the original. No harm done. Thanks very much for your information. I may be asking you for more gem info in the future. If that's okay with you. Thanks again Lonna >From: Danielle Nunn >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: Source for gemstone bead buttons >Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:34:09 -0400 > > >-Poster: Danielle Nunn > >Greetings, > > >I found a 16" strand of Howlite (dyed Lapis) 10mm beads (about 41 beads) > >for $6.83 per strand (If you buy more than 3, there is a proportional > >discount). They also have a 12mm (34 beads) for $9.82. Their regular > >lapis runs from $14.95 (for 4mm) to $29.95 (for 8mm). > >I think I'll preface this with the statement "however I say this I'm sure >it will come out wrong". Hi, my name is Danielle Nunn-Weinberg and I'm a >gemmologist. I just wanted to ask you if you realize that Howlite is a >completely different mineral from Lapis Lazuli. > >Howlite is usually dyed a variety of different colours to be used as an >inexpensive substitute for the more expensive stone it it impersinating. >Most Lapis on the market these days is dyed already. The way to test for >dyed lapis is take a cotton swab soaked in rubbing alcohol. Rub it on a >non-visible portion of the stone. If there is any blue on the swab - the >stone is dyed. Please don't let either of these things detract from your >enjoyment of the stone, it is just meant as information. > >Please forgive me if I've offended. > >Cheers, >Danielle Nunn-Weinberg, FGA, FCGmA > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 00:48:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07569 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:48:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03247; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:06:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17646 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:03:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ecom.imag.net (superman.imag.net [207.200.148.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17640 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:03:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from van1282 (van-port181.imag.net [204.244.111.181]) by ecom.imag.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA16970 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <019601befe77$05186240$03000004@van1282> From: "The Rogue" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: A Tale of 4 sewing machines Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:04:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "The Rogue" Oh my, that really made me laugh . . . my first day on the SCA garb list, too (grin). Will you post it to the historic list, too? I think they'd get quite a kick out of it. Zelda of York -----Original Message----- From: Carol J. Bell Cannon To: Recipient list suppressed Date: September 13, 1999 2:38 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: A Tale of 4 sewing machines > >-Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" > > I'm reading several lists at once, among them h-costume and SCA Garb. >I'd just finished reading a post from a lady who was wanted some explicit >help constructing authentic Viking/Verangian Guard-style pants...then I >read another: Sounds like you are in desperate need of a Viking. They >never need oiling and they are pretty much unjammable ... ... > At which point, I was curled up over my keyboard laughing... >I'm sorry...I had to share that...and as you see--it was not either post, >but my misinterpretation, and all because of the commonality between the >two posts of the word Viking... Carol / Gra/inne, who thinks maybe it's >time to go do something else for a while... > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 00:55:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07575 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:55:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03787; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:12:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18298 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:10:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.radiks.net (mail.radiks.net [205.138.126.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18291 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:10:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup (56K-lnk-133.radiks.net [206.29.243.135]) by mail.radiks.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA25706 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:08:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990914005521.00715cf8@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:55:21 -0500 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: H-COST: Re: metal embroidery In-Reply-To: <199909140414.WAA05095@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Just a couple of thoughts: Another technique used with metal(lic) threads was used in some liturgical garments I've seen. It involved couching gold thread/thin cord with colored threads, but the couching was very close together, like satin stitching. The idea was to "paint with thread", using different colors and allowing more or less of the gold to show for shading. Unfortunately, the name of the technique escapes me right now. It was very detailed and obviously time consuming. I saw several religious vestments using this at the Phila. Museum of Art when we were there back in February. In reference to the little metal "springs" that were couched down, I found bags of the stuff in copper (yes, real copper) being sold for Xmas icicles. Don't know if it came in "gold" or "silver", but I got many bags of the copper for less than $1 each. This was in Menards Xmas decorations last season. Sandy _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 01:03:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07586 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:03:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04302; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:21:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19149 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:18:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail-gw6.pacbell.net (mail-gw6.pacbell.net [206.13.28.41]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19143 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:18:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-71-9.irvn11.pacbell.net [206.170.71.9]) by mail-gw6.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01206 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DD8724.3E41292@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:22:13 +0000 From: Dietmar Organization: Completely Disorganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: What's a DH? References: <199909132327.QAA27474@zeus.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, I had written: > Okay, I'm just a dumb male, but what is being referred to here? Cynthia replied: >> DH = Dear Husband :) Margo added: >>> Or Damn Husband, depending on how the week is going. I hope it never gets bad enough to imply Deceased Husband. Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 01:07:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07590 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:07:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04547; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:25:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19595 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:23:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f147.hotmail.com [207.82.251.26]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA19590 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 42049 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 1999 06:22:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19990914062237.42048.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 166.90.42.179 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:22:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [166.90.42.179] From: "L.L. Johnson" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: sailor's palm Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:22:37 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "L.L. Johnson" Hullo Delurking a bit here to ask -- What is a sailor's palm and where can I find one? Sounds like it could be something I can really use. I'm one of those people who can't stand to use a thimble. They make my fingertips itch. Besides, I need to actually feel what I'm stitching even if I end up with pock marks in my fingertips (which go away after a while as my sewing calluses begin to build up). Thanks Lonna >From: "Cynthia Barnes" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" >Subject: H-COST: sailor's palm >Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:20:39 -0700 > > >-Poster: "Cynthia Barnes" > > > > Has anyone handsewn a corset, dresses or > > doublet? Any advice would be helpful. > >Try using a sailor's palm for pushing the needle thru a corset. Saves much >wear & tear on the fingers. > >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >408.570.1023 >Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com >Phoenix Technologies >411 E. Plumeria Dr. >San Jose CA 95134 >"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give >the wrong answers." > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 01:14:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07596 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:14:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05012; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:32:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20197 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:29:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f61.hotmail.com [207.82.251.195]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA20191 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:29:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 68549 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 1999 06:29:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19990914062925.68548.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 166.90.42.179 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:29:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [166.90.42.179] From: "L.L. Johnson" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Ten-gore Greenland dress? Have pattern?/Re: H-COST: sailor's palm Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:29:25 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "L.L. Johnson" >-Poster: aleed 10-gore greenland dress This sounds wonderful. Where might I find more information on this? Patterns maybe? Whatever information you have will be greatly appreciated. Thanks much Lonna ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 01:37:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07608 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:37:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05893; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22119 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:52:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ecom.imag.net (superman.imag.net [207.200.148.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22113 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:52:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from van1282 (van-port97.imag.net [204.244.111.97]) by ecom.imag.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA23738 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01e801befe7d$e9e022e0$03000004@van1282> From: "The Rogue" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: sailor's palm Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:53:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "The Rogue" Hello Sounds interesting. Is it for making sails with? How is it handled/used? Zelda -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Barnes To: H-Costume (E-mail) Date: September 13, 1999 3:24 PM Subject: H-COST: sailor's palm > >-Poster: "Cynthia Barnes" > > >> Has anyone handsewn a corset, dresses or >> doublet? Any advice would be helpful. > >Try using a sailor's palm for pushing the needle thru a corset. Saves much >wear & tear on the fingers. > >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >408.570.1023 >Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com >Phoenix Technologies >411 E. Plumeria Dr. >San Jose CA 95134 >"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give >the wrong answers." > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 01:37:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07612 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:37:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05831; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:53:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21914 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:51:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ecom.imag.net (superman.imag.net [207.200.148.6]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21909 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:51:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from van1282 (van-port97.imag.net [204.244.111.97]) by ecom.imag.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA23498 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01df01befe7d$b00f1c60$03000004@van1282> From: "The Rogue" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: A Tale of 4 sewing machines Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:52:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "The Rogue" Ooops . . . Sorry. Oh well, goofed again. This replying stuff is more hazardous than lurking . . . Zelda -----Original Message----- From: The Rogue To: h-costume@indra.com Date: September 13, 1999 11:09 PM Subject: Re: H-COST: A Tale of 4 sewing machines > >-Poster: "The Rogue" > >Oh my, that really made me laugh . . . my first day on the SCA garb list, >too (grin). > >Will you post it to the historic list, too? I think they'd get quite a kick >out of it. > >Zelda of York >-----Original Message----- >From: Carol J. Bell Cannon >To: Recipient list suppressed >Date: September 13, 1999 2:38 PM >Subject: Re: H-COST: A Tale of 4 sewing machines > > >> >>-Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" >> >> I'm reading several lists at once, among them h-costume and SCA Garb. >>I'd just finished reading a post from a lady who was wanted some explicit >>help constructing authentic Viking/Verangian Guard-style pants...then I >>read another: Sounds like you are in desperate need of a Viking. They >>never need oiling and they are pretty much unjammable ... ... >> At which point, I was curled up over my keyboard laughing... >>I'm sorry...I had to share that...and as you see--it was not either post, >>but my misinterpretation, and all because of the commonality between the >>two posts of the word Viking... Carol / Gra/inne, who thinks maybe it's >>time to go do something else for a while... >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com >> with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 02:40:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04009 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 02:40:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07966; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:57:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27227 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:55:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (mta2.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.123]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27222 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-71-9.irvn11.pacbell.net [206.170.71.9]) by mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09394 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DD9DCE.74FC3BD4@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:59:01 +0000 From: Dietmar Organization: Completely Disorganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04C-PBI-NC404 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: sailor's palm References: <01e801befe7d$e9e022e0$03000004@van1282> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dietmar Greetings, Someone (I'm sorry, but I don't remember who) wrote: >>> Try using a sailor's palm for pushing the needle thru a corset. >>> Saves much wear & tear on the fingers. Lonna wondered: >> What is a sailor's palm and where can I find one? Zelda confirmed: > Sounds interesting. Is it for making sails with? How is it handled/used? I've never really seen or used one, but from what I understand it is a spoon shaped metal depression that fits into the palm of your hand and can be used to push needles through many heavy layers. I believe they may be attached to a sort of glove and that in a pinch you could probably use a soup spoon to hobble together a home made variant. Regards, Dietmar "Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 03:16:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04026 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:16:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA10596; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 02:34:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00164 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 02:31:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f160.hotmail.com [207.82.251.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA00159 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 02:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 35420 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 1999 08:30:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19990914083059.35419.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 166.90.33.128 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:30:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [166.90.33.128] From: "L.L. Johnson" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: sailor's palm Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:30:58 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "L.L. Johnson" I think I understand now. I get this picture in my mind of sailors using this to protect their hands while they are building and/or repairing sails or other heavy cloth objects. Now I need to go to my source at Fisherman's Wharf to see if they can help me find someone who still uses one. Thank you, Dietmar, for shedding some light on this. Lonna >From: Dietmar >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: H-COST: sailor's palm >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:59:01 +0000 > > >-Poster: Dietmar > >Greetings, > >Someone (I'm sorry, but I don't remember who) wrote: > > >>> Try using a sailor's palm for pushing the needle thru a corset. > >>> Saves much wear & tear on the fingers. > >Lonna wondered: > > >> What is a sailor's palm and where can I find one? > >Zelda confirmed: > > > Sounds interesting. Is it for making sails with? How is it >handled/used? > >I've never really seen or used one, but from what I understand it is a >spoon >shaped metal depression that fits into the palm of your hand and can be >used >to push needles through many heavy layers. I believe they may be attached >to a >sort of glove and that in a pinch you could probably use a soup spoon to >hobble together a home made variant. > >Regards, > >Dietmar > > >"Victory or Defeat rests in God's hands; > over Honor, we ourselves are Lord and Master." > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 04:07:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04179 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:07:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA12101; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:24:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05799 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:21:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta4-svc.virgin.net (mta4-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.145]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05609 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:21:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.61.78]) by mta4-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19990914092055.DBUG4868.mta4-svc@LOCALNAME> for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:20:55 +0100 Message-ID: <37DE7901.7337@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:34:09 -0700 From: Dawn Organization: ages of elegance (http://www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN712-000 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Source for real gold-wrapped thread? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dawn aleed wrote: > > -Poster: aleed > > Do you have the address, phone or email of a company that sells the heavy > gold and silver wrapped cording, or the metal "tubes" which are sewn down? > > Do tell! > > Thanks, > > Drea > > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Dawn wrote: > > > > > -Poster: Dawn > > > > > > > > > > Silver and gold have always been and still are used for > ecclesiastical and regalia decoration, Whether it be actual sewing > threads or fine 'tubes' of netal which is couched down . Unfortunately> > > any different today) making tail ornaments, badges etc he also spins his own bullions for eppaulettes etc and he's in the process of embroidering an 18th century stomacher in metal threads includung real spangles . Now I can get real I don't use fake i'm afraid > > > > > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME Unfortunately the MOD suppliers don't supply direct (I don't think) as due to many amalgamations the shop half has disappeared, and it's not worth their while dealing with small orders. I get my supplies because of Andrew's working with them. You Can I think buy via The Royal School of Needlework at Hampton Court I will try and find their number. Andrew sell the uniform laces but I'm not sure if he'd be interested in being a supplier of threads as well I will ask him. By the way the fake stuff is made from mylar, unfortunately the MOD is starting to prefer this to real particularly in lace as it doesn't tarnish which means we can get fewer designs for authenticity purposes. Dawn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 04:28:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04190 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:28:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA12959; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:46:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27737 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:43:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27730 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:43:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) id <01JFYGQETWUO00BFJ4@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:48:06 BST Received: from mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-ref1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.57.8]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.2-32 #37790) with ESMTP id <01JFYGP377UQ00DDX0@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:17:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-REF1/SpoolDir by mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:11:24 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-REF1 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:11:15 +1100 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.126) by mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:11:09 +1100 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:11:08 +0000 (GMT) From: teddy1 Subject: H-COST: H-Cost: "Bum-cleavage" In-reply-to: <199909131951.NAA28157@net.indra.com> To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Message-id: <41931D742A1@mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: teddy1 > In the Uk ; gentlemen's cleavage is shown at the rear , below the > waist, as a result if the trouser being worn on the hips. the > display of cleavage by building workers is an important part of > modern day British culture; No I am not Joking, however > unbelievable > Dave Dave is correct except that they aren't what I'd call "gentlemen" and it should be pointed-out that men displaying bum cleavage are usually the subject of jokes. Trust me, for the most part it is NOT a pretty sight. It's also not uncommon and seems to be part of the modern way of men wearing trousers. Not around their waists but sagging 'round their hips. The other day, on the way home from work, I had the misfortune of being behind a commuter as he climbed the stairs to the platform at the station. He was clad in shirt, tiue, trousers and "smart" shoes, adn had a jacket folded neatly over his arm. His trousers were so low-slung that they looked in danger of dropping altogether and the crotch was hanging about an inch or two above the knee.... Why do they do it? Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of air and darkness, apparently!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 04:30:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04196 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:30:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13065; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:47:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27862 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:45:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27854 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:45:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem18.hulk.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.18] helo=herimats) by mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Qp9P-0001KJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:45:24 +0100 Message-ID: <007001befe95$e0dacb10$12065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <199909140022.RAA04084@zeus.directcon.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Leather doublet questions Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:27:44 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" Although known by different names here, the really bad adhesives have been phased out through European Legislation over the last ten years. New ones have been invented, that dont make you "drunk" or give you brain damage , some like the dreaded Black Bostik just smell awful. . Trouble is that they may be safe but they have a very quick intitial drying time, so you cant move things. Also they are quick to deteriorate if you meave the lid off. Instant treacle. Can you get heat activated leather adhesives in the states retail; I know you can in the trade , but can the ordinary joe? Is leather Weld like these? L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters ----- Original Message ----- > -Poster: Margo Anderson > >I second this warning and would recommend as an alternative a non-toxic > >adhesive called "Leather Weld." While I am not expert in leather-working, > >this has worked for me in the past. I believe it can be gotten through > >Tandy. Does anyone else have any experience with it? > > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 04:30:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04200 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:30:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13071; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27868 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:45:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27861 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:45:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem18.hulk.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.18] helo=herimats) by mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Qp9S-0001KJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:45:26 +0100 Message-ID: <007101befe95$e24e3130$12065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <19990914083059.35419.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: sailor's palm Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:44:42 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" I have a small collection . Its one of those silly things that I collect -have to buy every one I see. Basically they are for working all kinds of canvas; The best ones are ex-navy/army surplus (pre -1950 better still pre 1930) and are really impressive; Thick boiled leather that covers the palm and top of the hand with a hole for the thumb. In the middle one; sometime two, dimpled and concave round metal pieces firmly sewn inside a leather grommet arrangement. There are different styles; some are for tent making. One is so stiff you can stand on it and it doesnt bend. The military ones were issued as part of a tent repair kit that included needles and pieces of canvas and felt and little cards of really tough braided thread, all in a little green felt bag. I have seen a full kit dated I think 1898 go at auction for a couple of hundred pounds; But the same pattern lasted for many many years. I have also seen more recent ones made in plastic , but they are still quite bulky items and a sure fire way of breaking needles Dave +++++++++++++++++. L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 04:55:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04212 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:55:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14059; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:12:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29841 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:10:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from cdale3.midwest.net (cdale3.midwest.net [208.235.1.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29835 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:10:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (paducah39.midwest.net [208.235.9.49]) by cdale3.midwest.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA21588 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 05:13:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007001befe98$a998cc80$3109ebd0@default> From: "Jennifer Gibson" To: Subject: H-COST: Setting to Digest Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 05:05:17 -0500 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01BEFE6E.BCFE6980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Jennifer Gibson" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01BEFE6E.BCFE6980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This may be a silly question, but how can I set the list to receive the = posts in digest form? 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------=_NextPart_000_006D_01BEFE6E.BCFE6980-- _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 05:48:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA04236 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 05:48:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15915; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 05:05:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04420 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 05:03:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.144]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA04414 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 05:03:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.194.69]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19990914105839.WVAA2782.mta3-svc@LOCALNAME> for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:58:39 +0100 Message-ID: <37DE9115.54B5@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:16:53 -0700 From: Dawn Organization: ages of elegance (http://www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN712-000 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: Source for real gold-wrapped thread? References: <37DE7901.7337@virgin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dawn I have just spoken to him and he says he would be happy to supply anyone with metal threads if wanted. He can also supply metal fringing, spangles, lace etc and makes tassels, hand worked metal thread tudor buttons and loads of other stuff, he's far too useful so I can never fall out with him. E-mail andrew@militarymetal.free-online.co.uk or phone UK 0181 580 2688> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > Unfortunately the MOD suppliers don't supply direct (I don't think) as > due to many amalgamations the shop half has disappeared, and it's not > worth their while dealing with small orders. I get my supplies because > of Andrew's working with them. You Can I think buy via The Royal School > of Needlework at Hampton Court I will try and find their number. Andrew > sell the uniform laces but I'm not sure if he'd be interested in being a > supplier of threads as well I will ask him. > By the way the fake stuff is made from mylar, unfortunately the MOD is > starting to prefer this to real particularly in lace as it doesn't > tarnish which means we can get fewer designs for authenticity purposes. > > Dawn > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 06:18:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04254 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:18:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA16889; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 05:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06987 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 05:33:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.70]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06971 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 05:33:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from netspace.net.au.netspace.net.au (dialup-t1-153.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.250.153]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id VAA11355 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:33:39 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199909141133.VAA11355@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> From: "Christopher Ballis" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: H-Cost: "Bum-cleavage" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:14:40 +1000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Christopher Ballis" A female friend put a photo of herself in a 1700s dress on the pinboard at work. Within an hour, someone had masked out all but the cleavage and added the note, "Whose bum is this?" > > > In the Uk ; gentlemen's cleavage is shown at the rear , below the > > waist, as a result if the trouser being worn on the hips. the > > display of cleavage by building workers is an important part of > > modern day British culture; No I am not Joking, however > > unbelievable > > Dave > > Dave is correct except that they aren't what I'd call "gentlemen" > and it should be pointed-out that men displaying bum cleavage are > usually the subject of jokes. > > Trust me, for the most part it is NOT a pretty sight. It's also not > uncommon and seems to be part of the modern way of men > wearing trousers. Not around their waists but sagging 'round their > hips. > > The other day, on the way home from work, I had the misfortune of > being behind a commuter as he climbed the stairs to the platform > at the station. He was clad in shirt, tiue, trousers and "smart" > shoes, adn had a jacket folded neatly over his arm. > > His trousers were so low-slung that they looked in danger of > dropping altogether and the crotch was hanging about an inch or > two above the knee.... > > > > Why do they do it? > > Teddy > (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, part-time Knave and Creature of > air and darkness, apparently!) > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 06:51:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04294 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:51:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18497; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:09:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09987 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:06:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09978 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:06:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.218.137.55] (benfatto.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.137.55]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA21463 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:06:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: benfatto@pop.ne.mediaone.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909140414.WAA05095@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:11:20 -0400 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Elaine Benfatto Subject: H-COST: Re: worsted wool Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Elaine Benfatto >Can worsted be fulled? I had the impression that it could not. > >Was worsted (as we know it today) used in period? If so, was it valued? You didn't say which "period" you're asking about, but wool combing (the preparation method that is necessary to produce worsted yarn) is a very, very old craft. I've got a woodcut of Bishop Blaize, the patron saint of woolcombers, who met with his unfortunate martyrdom in the 2nd century by being torn apart by wool combs. And I'm pretty sure (although I'd have to dig into my sources) that combing goes back even further than the 2nd century. So, yes, worsted is a very old spinning method and could have been used to produce yarn to make worsted cloth in medieval times and later. Can worsted be fulled? Technically that depends on the kind of wool that was used to make the cloth. Some breeds of sheep wool full easily, some not at all. The question might better be phrased, "Did they full worsted?" And I don't know the answer to that. Today worsted cloth is prized for its smooth, crisp hand and that quality would be lost if it were fulled and made fluffy. I'm not enough of a scholar to know if weavers and finishers sought this effect in earlier times. Elaine Elaine Benfatto (Cambridge, MA) benfatto@mediaone.net http://people.ne.mediaone.net/benfatto/ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 07:25:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04345 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:25:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20234; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:43:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13778 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:41:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from p2.acadia.net (root@p2.acadia.net [205.217.210.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA13769 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.217.210.101] (ell245.acadia.net [205.217.210.101]) by p2.acadia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA15721 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:49:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: pulliam@post.acadia.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:39:44 -0400 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) Subject: H-COST: sailor's palm Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: pulliam@acadia.net (Deborah Pulliam) A sailor's palm is a metal (usually dimpled, to catch the needle) plate set into a heavy leather strap that fits around your hand. As someone pointed out, they are used in place of a thimble to push large, heavy needles through many layers of sailcloth or canvas. They would be worthless used with ordinary sewing needles -- how many of you sew with a needle long enough to be pushed from underneath your thumb? the needle needs to be at least 2 inches long, and also needs to be heavy enough to withstand being pushed from that far without bowing or breaking. Sail needles ar e*very* heavy. Also, palms are quite cumbersome until you get used to working with them -- it is *not* like sewing with a glove on your hand. They are still available, in several different grades. If you do any amount of canvas work, I think it's worth it to spend the extra $$ to buy a good one, which come in sizes, and can be formed to fit your hand. The cheap ones are nasty and actually can be dangerous to work with, because they can slide around so much. Check the yellow pages for a ship's chandlery, marine supply place, etc. There are several sailmakers' supply places that do mailorder. De borah _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 07:45:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04362 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:45:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21404; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:02:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16065 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:00:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16057 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:00:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Gaelscot@aol.com Received: from Gaelscot@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6TXWa07549 (3988) for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3d6e5b98.250fa0b0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:59:28 EDT Subject: H-COST: local medieval shop To: h-costume-digest@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Gaelscot@aol.com Andrea: I noticed the medieval trend in some young people, and some pattern companies even have goth wear that is obviously influenced by medieval fashions and Victorian "artistic" clothing. But what, please tell, is sold at a "local medieval shop"? We don't have any around here, and I am dying to know! Gail Finke whose medieval needs are more, well, medieval _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 08:05:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04419 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:05:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22970; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:23:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18990 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:20:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA18979 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:20:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19990914132528.1729.rocketmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.247.217.34] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:25:28 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:25:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Toney Subject: Re: H-COST: local medieval shop To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Sarah Toney I have heard many people use this phrase in reference to a Wicca Shop or an Herbal Medicine shop... I'm not sure why... I do know that many Wicca shops sell the "trendy vintage" clothes that are popular. Sarah > Andrea: > > I noticed the medieval trend in some young people, > and some pattern companies > even have goth wear that is obviously influenced by > medieval fashions and > Victorian "artistic" clothing. But what, please > tell, is sold at a "local > medieval shop"? We don't have any around here, and I > am dying to know! > > Gail Finke > whose medieval needs are more, well, medieval > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to > majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 08:28:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04472 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:28:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA25078; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:45:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22416 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:43:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22411 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:43:02 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6GPXCgDwN_ (4185) for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:42:26 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: sailor's palm To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbraKat@aol.com Long ago and far away I lived on a boat , and one of the the chores was mending sails.The sailor's palm I had was a sort of leather strap that was fitted with a metal piece for pushing thru needles.It was rather thick and bulky and the metal par across the plam had little indentation much as a thimble has --but over a larger surface so the needles would'nt slip as you tried to push on them.(So, no, Deitmar , a spoon would'nt be as effective.) Even with a sailor's palm to halp me out, though , my hands got VERY sore.And the needles were huge, and quite nasty , if you goofed and missed the sail.And a boating hardware store, or ship's chadelry would be the best place o look for one.I would'nt waste my time on a plastic one--or it can be downright dangerous. Cheers , albra _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 08:38:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04487 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:38:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26316; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:56:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24162 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:54:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from spamgaae.compuserve.com (as-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.217.148]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24153 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.5) id JAA23891 for h-costume-digest@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:53:10 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson Subject: H-COST: Spinners list To: LIST historic costume Message-ID: <199909140953_MC2-84CE-799D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id HAA24157 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Melanie Wilson Anyone know of a spinners list ? Mel _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 08:43:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04501 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:43:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26851; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:01:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25046 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:58:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA25038 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:58:57 -0600 (MDT) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6HYa023990 (4254) for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33713159.250fae74@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:58:12 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: metal embroidery To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: AlbraKat@aol.com You are probably thinking of 'or nue'--which 'painted pictures', using silk over a background of couched golden cords. One can acheive some beautiful detailed effects doing this.There was also a technique called 'broiderie anglaise', which used backgrounds of couched gold threads in ornate diapered patterns.The figures were worked in split stitch, using silk.This technique was quite highly developed in the 12th and 13th centuries --and was seen on a lot of the eclesiastical vestments. albra _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 09:20:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04604 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:20:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01851; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:38:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02908 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:35:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chupacabras.flash.net (chupacabras.flash.net [209.30.6.16]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02903 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:35:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flash.net (p87.amax2.dialup.hou1.flash.net [209.30.64.87]) by chupacabras.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04825 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:35:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37DE5E89.9C7BCC49@flash.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:41:13 -0500 From: "V. Renee Bedford" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: sailor's palm (was Handsewing question?) References: <199909132332.RAA21243@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "V. Renee Bedford" May I make a suggestion? Press your waxed thread with a barely-warm iron to meld wax with thread, discourages wax from flaking off. Also, be sure to thread the eye of the needle with the just-cut end of the thread. If you don't mind non-historic methods, try Thread Heaven instead of wax. Really does work better, especially in humidity. More portable and doesn't melt (and the glitter topping is so cute). THT, Renee _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 09:20:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04605 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:20:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01854; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:38:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02827 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:35:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02815; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:35:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear Message-Id: <199909141435.IAA02815@net.indra.com> To: Subject: Re: H-COST: h-costume, How many members? 384 ! 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The reprint is now available at www.scotpress.com, 304-379-8803. I was so excited, I forgot to ask the price, so I am not sure what I just spent. No affil, just passing on an item of interest! Jane Weidman _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 09:51:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04725 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:51:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06575; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10953 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:06:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10940 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:06:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (aleed@kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA27000 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15452 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:06:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:06:55 -0400 (EDT) From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Ten-gore Greenland dress? Have pattern?/Re: H-COST: sailor's palm In-Reply-To: <19990914062925.68548.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: aleed There's a website of it up at http://www.virtualelpaso.com/neverwinter/dress/dress.htm It's neat! Drea On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, L.L. Johnson wrote: > > -Poster: "L.L. Johnson" > > > >-Poster: aleed > > 10-gore greenland dress > > This sounds wonderful. Where might I find more information on this? Patterns > maybe? Whatever information you have will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks much > > Lonna > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 10:46:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04812 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:46:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16642; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25727 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:01:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from www0q.netaddress.usa.net (www0q.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.46]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA25711 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:01:10 -0600 (MDT) From: griffinhold@usa.net Received: (qmail 27133 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 1999 16:01:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19990914160109.27132.qmail@www0q.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.46 by www0q for [207.132.155.20] via web-mailer(M3.3.0.77) on Tue Sep 14 16:01:09 GMT 1999 Date: 14 Sep 99 10:01:09 MDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Gold thread embroidery X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.0.77) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id KAA25718 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: griffinhold@usa.net >Another technique used with metal(lic) threads was used in some >liturgical garments I've seen. It involved couching gold thread/thin >cord with colored threads, but the couching was very close together, >like satin stitching. The idea was to "paint with thread", using >different colors and allowing more or less of the gold to show for >shading. Unfortunately, the name of the technique escapes me right >now. It was very detailed and obviously time consuming That would be 'or nue' (I can't get the accent grave over the e). Good description BTW. I haven't run into a use of the technique on anything other than ecclesiastical vestments though. But it would look great on smaller (what I call an 'in my lifetime') size project like a belt pouch. I also saw a vestment using a combination of or nue and 3D embroidery if you really want your imagination to run wild. Lyn Gillespie ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 10:46:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04816 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:46:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05513; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08631 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:59:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07623; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:55:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-159-176.s176.tnt7.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.159.176]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10352; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006501befec0$dd47d1c0$b09faccf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Cc: "Vintage" , "h-needlework" , "Wear Digest" , "WearableArt" , "Fantasy" Subject: H-COST: Sneak Peek of Ball '99 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:53:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" I wanted to let you all have a sneak peek of our Online Costume Ball '99, http://www.costumegallery.com/Costume_Ball/99/Guest1.htm Enjoy... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 10:54:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04825 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:54:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13652; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:45:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20993 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:42:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (relay20.smtp.psi.net [38.8.20.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20980 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:42:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [206.119.75.41] (helo=kdp.tiac.net) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for h-costume@indra.com id 11Quj3-0007Ek-00; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:42:33 -0400 From: "John Page" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Elizabethan - military buttons Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:26:08 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "John Page" > I've once again come across the assertion that Elizabeth issued a royal > command that military uniforms have a line of buttons on the sleeves to > prevent soldiers from wiping their noses on their sleeves. I've seen > this statement several times, but it's never been footnoted to track > back to the original. Fact or folklore? If fact, where is it > documented? I think this one is folklore -- I've also heard the story attributed to Napoleon, Peter the Great & Catherine of Russia, and assorted others. It makes a good story, but I think it's more likely that the lines of buttons are artefacts of a time when the buttons were utilitarian.. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 11:11:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04846 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:11:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19653; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:28:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02084 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:25:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from falcon.canfield.com (falcon.canfield.com [206.191.139.20]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02049 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:25:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Leslie (u6-46.wa.net [206.191.135.110]) by falcon.canfield.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA30619 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:32:26 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990914091312.035c1b80@mail.canfield.com> X-Sender: leslie@mail.canfield.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:23:42 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com From: Leslie Helms Subject: H-COST: Seams in leather In-Reply-To: <199909140414.WAA05095@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Leslie Helms Perhaps someone else has posted this and I missed it. One feasible seam in leather, and the flattest one, is to overlap the two pieces and sew the overlap area. With light, supple leather the bulk isn't a problem, but heavier leathers don't fold flat. Obviously the overlap must be carefully figured, either by adding a small seam allowance to both meeting edges or by cutting one edge on the seam line and leaving an allowance on the other. When double-stitched, this seam is quite strong (it can be enhanced by glueing first) and it gives the general look of a felled seam. Leslie _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 11:12:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04850 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:12:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19809; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:29:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02460 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:26:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02452 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:26:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p27.directcon.net [206.170.184.76]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26179 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909141625.JAA26179@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Leather doublet questions Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson >Can you get heat activated leather adhesives in the states retail; I know >you can in the trade , but can the ordinary joe? Is leather Weld like these? I've never heard of heat activated adhesives for leather, but I've been out of the business for a few years. Leather Weld is a white glue, wth some magical substances added. Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 11:41:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04899 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:41:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24837; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09864 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:55:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f56.hotmail.com [207.82.251.68]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA09852 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:55:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 67101 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 1999 16:55:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19990914165509.67100.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 140.244.146.62 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:55:08 PDT X-Originating-IP: [140.244.146.62] From: "L.L. Johnson" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: sailor's palm Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:55:08 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "L.L. Johnson" Thank you, Dave. I'm still going to check with my source, but now I can also haunt the local army/navy surplus stores. Lonna P.S. Would you be willing to scan some photos so our group can see what they look like? Thanks again L. >From: "LDMundy" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: Re: H-COST: sailor's palm >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:44:42 +0100 > > >-Poster: "LDMundy" > > I have a small collection . Its one of those silly things that I >collect -have to buy every one I see. Basically they are for working all >kinds of canvas; The best ones are ex-navy/army surplus (pre -1950 better >still pre 1930) and are really impressive; Thick boiled leather that covers >the palm and top of the hand with a hole for the thumb. In the middle one; >sometime two, dimpled and concave round metal pieces firmly sewn inside a >leather grommet arrangement. There are different styles; some are for tent >making. One is so stiff you can stand on it and it doesnt bend. >The military ones were issued as part of a tent repair kit that included >needles and pieces of canvas and felt and little cards of really tough >braided thread, all in a little green felt bag. I have seen a full kit >dated >I think 1898 go at auction for a couple of hundred pounds; But the same >pattern lasted for many many years. I have also seen more recent ones made >in plastic , but they are still quite bulky items and a sure fire way of >breaking needles >Dave > > >+++++++++++++++++. >L.D.Mundy >Editor.Heritage Matters > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 11:47:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04920 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:47:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25721; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:03:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11219 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:01:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f190.hotmail.com [207.82.251.79]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA11197 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22801 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 1999 17:00:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990914170029.22800.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 12.21.110.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:00:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [12.21.110.240] From: "Karie Mitchell" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Not a red-head, and some other questions. Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:00:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Karie Mitchell" Alright! I hate to burst anyone's bubble but - I AM NOT A RED-HEAD! I am a brunette with blue-grey eyes. I have dyed my hair red previously. It started when I had mononucleosis and my hair turned grey. My mom thought it would be nice if I went back to school looking "normal", so she let me get some red tints added. I did go back to the bottle occasionally but am "straight" now :) I have some other questions: How many on this list do costuming professionally? How many are doing this as a hobby?' How many hours do you devote to sewing? I only do this as a hobby and don't get to spend much time on it. When I do have time, I occasionally forget and just turn the t.v. on without picking something up. (Augh - what a boob am I!) But I'm trying to improve. Have spent several evenings sewing a shirt by hand, working on an embroidery project, and last night began making an 'arming' vest for my husband, for him to suspend his chainmail legs from. Looking forward to your answers! Karie (AKA Allessandre) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 12:07:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04991 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:07:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25881; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:04:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11463 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:02:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11450 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:02:04 -0600 (MDT) From: Natekakar@aol.com Received: from Natekakar@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6ZFa001988 (3977) for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4065e48d.250fd96a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:01:30 EDT Subject: Re: Re: H-COST:Cartridge pleating question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) sub 7 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Natekakar@aol.com re: commercial patterns -- Catherine Beecher's 1840's work on Domestic Economy suggested that women buy one well-fitted dress, pick one half/side of it apart, and make a pattern from it -- then sew the dress back together! _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 12:27:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05099 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:27:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02023; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:42:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20850 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:40:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20832 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:40:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem84.tweety.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.212] helo=herimats) by mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11QwYo-00018h-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:40:07 +0100 Message-ID: <000201befed8$322a3310$d4065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <41931D742A1@mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: H-COST: H-Cost: "Bum-cleavage" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:15:48 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" Of course its part of the current fashion of "erghh-chic" . Its very difficult to explain; One of the major British dressing sins for many years has been the wearing of the short tails inside the underpants; This is a device used by men whos lack of bottom causes the shirt taills to work out of the trouser bad, and is intend to keep the top of the shirt pulled straight and smart. Ie its putting on a better face for the public while causing hidden problems, elsewhere Sometimes it has been called a sign of insecurity., many cases being unearthedntioned most notably Crippen However the great British Public will not stand for such things; When it was revealed that John Major was of this particular persuasion the British Public voted against him in the biggest landslide for many years. the moral being if a man does that with his shirt how can he be trusted to run a country and lead it into a new Millennium? I believe that this is not possible in the US/ most of my US bought shirts suddenly cease just below the waist; My UK ones have full tails which drape in a curve down to mid thigh.. Perhaps this is something that dropped at the time of independence. But then you are very particular about your politicians. Dave L.D.Mundy Editor.Heritage Matters > -Poster: teddy1 > > > Dave is correct except that they aren't what I'd call "gentlemen" > and it should be pointed-out that men displaying bum cleavage are > usually the subject of jokes. > > Trust me, for the most part it is NOT a pretty sight. It's also not > uncommon and seems to be part of the modern way of men > wearing trousers. Not around their waists but sagging 'round their > hips. > > The other day, on the way home from work, I had the misfortune of > being behind a commuter as he climbed the stairs to the platform > at the station. He was clad in shirt, tiue, trousers and "smart" > shoes, adn had a jacket folded neatly over his arm. > > His trousers were so low-slung that they looked in danger of > dropping altogether and the crotch was hanging about an inch or > two above the knee.... > > > > Why do they do it? > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 12:43:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05122 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:43:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04321; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:58:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24541 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:55:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24526 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:55:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldonline.nl (leda.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.135]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07153 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:55:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc2 (vp211-250.worldonline.nl [195.241.211.250]) by worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21465 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:55:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909141755.TAA21465@worldonline.nl> From: "Henk 't Jong" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Handsewing question Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:59:40 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Henk 't Jong" Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Advisors Dordrecht, Netherlands Hi all, Zelda wrote: > trying to find information about 1400 to 1500 > Dutch/Netherlands, of all classes. Look for paintings by Jan and Hubert van Eyk, Rogier van der Weyden, Dirc Bouts, Robert Campin, Hugo van der Goes, Hans Memling, Petrus Christus, Quinten Matsijs and all that lot.. They are wonderful for costume details. Henk _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 12:52:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05155 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:52:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05717; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:08:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27042 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:05:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27036 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:05:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem108.hulk.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.108] helo=herimats) by mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11QwxX-0002sQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:05:39 +0100 Message-ID: <002d01befedb$c3e4fe90$d4065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <19990914165509.67100.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: sailor's palm Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:52:48 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" > -Poster: "L.L. Johnson" > > > P.S. Would you be willing to scan some photos so our group can see what > they look like? The problem here is that they are in a display in our Lancashire premises; And myself and the scanner are both (overworked) in Birmingham; I can but try but promise naught. Dave _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 12:55:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05167 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:55:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06348; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:11:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27651 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:08:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ptlsjlab1.phoenix.com (ms3.phoenix.com [134.122.1.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA27645 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:08:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cbarnes by ptlsjlab1.phoenix.com via 134.122.3.107 with SMTP-TCP; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:13:41 -0700 From: "Cynthia Barnes" To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: H-COST: a Sailor's Palm described Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:07:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000001befedc$0d4b6e20$6b037a86@cbarnes.phoenix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Cynthia Barnes" Dietmar posited>I've never really seen or used one, but from what I understand it is a spoon >shaped metal depression that fits into the palm of your hand and can be used >to push needles through many heavy layers. I believe they may be attached to a >sort of glove and that in a pinch you could probably use a soup spoon to >hobble together a home made variant. Well conjectured! It's a leather or canvas strap that partially covers the palm & back of hand; it fits across or around 2 fingers and is anchored at the wrist. (Gymnasts and trapeze people will recognize this style handguard - protection from ripped callouses.) On the Sailor's Palm, at the base of the thumb there is a small cup (maybe 3/4"), in hard rubber or plastic. Thread your needle. Strap the device on your hand. Insert needle into a lapped seam of sailcloth, (or 2 pieces of leather, or a corset), use the Palm to push the needle on thru the stiff, unyielding stuff. Draw the needle. Repeat. I find I often need a pair of pliers to draw the needle. Do not twist. You'll break the needle. There's another heavy-weight hand-sewing device usually stocked nearby. Looks like a heavy duty tambour hook, but runs on a very heavy (sail weight) "thread" that I certainly call cord; it's quite heavy. Looks speedy & handy. I dont know what it's called. Might be handy for medieval tent making & repair in the field. Buy: most hardware stores, leather shops, sailing paraphenalia shops. Camping shops? Outdoor sporting goods shops? --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 13:13:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05187 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:13:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08398; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:29:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02111 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:27:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02098 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.142]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23977 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37DE9407.6FA7E849@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:29:27 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Costuming: prof. or amateur References: <19990914170029.22800.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Janice Dallas For many of us, costuming is a lifestyle, whether you get paid for it or not. I suppose I might come under the catagory of talented volunteer, as I work with non-profit groups that rarely can afford to pay me. I've gotten the odd honorarium or travel expenses and occasionally get paid for a workshop. My husband is the bread-winner in the family. I work for one group (used to be two) as a Costume rental agent, arranging for their stock to be rented to other, similar groups. I also own a legal company for theatrical design and construction. My husband does the lights and set side as his avocation. I design costumes for Gilbert and Sullivan operettas and then supervises the volunteers making them. I get to build the outfits for the "Pavarotti" sized members of the cast, who can be a challenge to fit. Oh yes, I also sing with many of these groups at the same time as I'm dressing them. Makes it a bit complicated. If I made money, I would be considered a professional, but since I don't, I suppose I'm still an amateur. Pity there isn't a catagory between. I am constantly enlarging my costume library, since the public libraies around here suffer from "finger blight" or only have a few "fashion" books. When I need to do research, It's often during the times they're not open! I love finding out what the insides of old outfits look like and the "whys and wherefores" of their construction. -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net Boston, MA USA area "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 13:23:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05214 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:23:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10019; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:39:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04345 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:37:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04334 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:37:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mediaone.net (janicedals.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.161.142]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA28638 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37DE966B.F2B33586@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:39:39 -0400 From: Janice Dallas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re:H-Cost: "Bum-cleavage" References: <41931D742A1@mdx-ref1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Janice Dallas Teddy, They wear their pants this way so they can say that their waist is still the same size as when they were in school. Of course, for some reason their inseam has shrunk also. They can't figure out why. I call them the "Belly prop-ers". They don't seem to "get it" that they would look slimmer in the right size pants for their girth, and, Horrors! they would never consider suspenders! I get them all the time in Theatre, and they really think they look better with their stomach held up and out with a belt. -- Janice Dallas JaniceDals@MediaOne.net "Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..." _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 13:23:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05215 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:23:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09987; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:39:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04281 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:37:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04275 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:37:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e4c2n6 (207-172-86-151.s151.tnt6.rcm.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.86.151]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA20735 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002f01befedf$c8ad1120$9756accf@e4c2n6> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <19990914170029.22800.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: H-COST: Re: (was red head) 1997 list statistics Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:34:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" In 1997, I made a directory for the list members. At that time, the majority of people were hobbyist. I think the statistics were like 2/3 of the list. The professional costumers were designer/reproduction, product development, educators/students, and authors. The majority of the members were in the U.S. with California carrying the largest amount. Other countries represented were from the U.K., Canada, Australia, Germany, and the Netherlands. The largest time periods studied were 19th century, Elizabethan, and Medeval respectively. As far as associations, most were members of SCA and/or Costume Society of America members. Later... Penny http://www.costumegallery.com > I only do this as a hobby and don't get to spend much time on it. When I do > have time, I occasionally forget and just turn the t.v. on without picking > something up. (Augh - what a boob am I!) But I'm trying to improve. Have > spent several evenings sewing a shirt by hand, working on an embroidery > project, and last night began making an 'arming' vest for my husband, for > him to suspend his chainmail legs from. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 13:34:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05253 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:34:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11555; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:50:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06858 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:48:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from na-ims.alcoa.com ([147.154.3.39]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06836 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:48:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by NA-IMS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:47:24 -0400 Message-ID: <0B3E3AA67456D311A9FC0000E889ED9809F4AF@dhcp-183-2.dpw.alcoa.com> From: "Fairchild, Connie E." To: "'h-costume-digest@indra.com'" Subject: H-COST: RE: h-costume-digest V4 #581 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:42:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Fairchild, Connie E." > Karie Mitchell wrote: > > I have some other questions: 1. How many on this list do costuming professionally? 2. How many are doing this as a hobby?' 3. How many hours do you devote to sewing? Answers: 1. Not me, but would love to have the knowledge and craftswoman's-ship to do it professionally. 2. Yes, hobby only -- one of many -- oh, the trail of unfinished projects I have left behind................ I am a museum volunteer and do mending, repairs, and stablizing as I have time (working for a living prevents many hours otherwise spent in these interests)-- a great enjoyment. 3. Not nearly enough. Only a few hours now and then, but in between sewing projects there are the embroidery and other needlework projects. Dark brunette with red highlights and green eyes. Connie Fairchild _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 13:41:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05294 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:41:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12383; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:57:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08271 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:54:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.134]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08252 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip117.an5-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.16.117]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13646 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DE6D9E.DF87A42A@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:45:37 -0400 From: Laurel Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03C-NSCP (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: wool question References: <199909140414.WAA05095@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Laurel Wilson >The result was a cloth that was heavy and practically impermeable. Also, >really good cloths might be raised and sheared repeatedly during the course of >their life as clothing--royal wardrbe accounts often have records of payments >made to shearers--which shows you how thick the cloth must have been. Yep. The household accounts of Eleanor, Countess of Leicester (the first non-royal household accounts extant) document her sending "Hick the Taylor" off to London to have some clothes sheared. As I recall, it wasn't cheap. However, it doesn't necessarily mean the cloth was thick--just dense. Susan Dear Susan: I stand corrected. 'Dense' is precisely what I meant. Lauri _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 13:42:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05301 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:42:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12381; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:57:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08290 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:54:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.134]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08284 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:54:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip117.an5-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.16.117]) by penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13799 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37DE6F0B.2C506A42@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:51:42 -0400 From: Laurel Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03C-NSCP (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re: metallic embroidery References: <199909140831.CAA00175@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Laurel Wilson Somebody wrote: Another technique used with metal(lic) threads was used in some liturgical garments I've seen. It involved couching gold thread/thin cord with colored threads, but the couching was very close together, like satin stitching. The idea was to "paint with thread", using different colors and allowing more or less of the gold to show for shading. Unfortunately, the name of the technique escapes me right now. It was very detailed and obviously time consuming. This sounds similar to a technique called 'or nué'. All the kinds of metallic threads which have been mentioned were used in the Middle Ages. There's a book called "Embroiderers," by Kay Staniland, which was published by the University of Toronto as part of a really good series called 'Medieval Craftsmen,' which has excellent pictures and descriptions of medieval embroidery work and the materials it was made from. (ISBN: 0-8020-6915-0) Lauri _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 13:44:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05314 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:44:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13158; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09258 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:58:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09237 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem106.tweety.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.234] helo=herimats) by mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11QxmX-00087j-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:58:21 +0100 Message-ID: <008601befee3$207bfb20$d4065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <199909141625.JAA26179@zeus.directcon.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Leather doublet questions Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:50:24 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" > -Poster: Margo Anderson > I've never heard of heat activated adhesives for leather, but I've been out > of the business for a few years. Leather Weld is a white glue, with some > magical substances added. > Sound truly magickal Ishall set off in search; Thanks very much. Dave _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 13:44:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05318 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:44:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13161; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09263 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:58:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09251 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:58:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem106.tweety.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.234] helo=herimats) by mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11QxmY-00087j-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:58:22 +0100 Message-ID: <008701befee3$21258190$d4065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <37DC80F7.16B4C5AB@flash.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Elizabethan - military buttons Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:56:47 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" I have heard this one several times but never traced a source;; Its not practical either else they would be all the way up the arm; soldiers use the upper sleeve just like the rest of us. Dave> > > -Poster: Charlene Charette > > I've once again come across the assertion that Elizabeth issued a royal > command that military uniforms have a line of buttons on the sleeves to > prevent soldiers from wiping their noses on their sleeves. I've seen > this statement several times, but it's never been footnoted to track > back to the original. Fact or folklore? If fact, where is it > documented? > _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 13:44:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05322 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:44:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13167; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09262 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:58:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09241 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem106.tweety.pol.co.uk ([195.92.6.234] helo=herimats) by mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11QxmV-00087j-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:58:20 +0100 Message-ID: <008501befee3$1f6beab0$d4065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <19990914170029.22800.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: Some other questions.-answers Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:48:13 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" > > -Poster: "Karie Mitchell" > I have some other questions: > How many on this list do costuming professionally? No way! Wouldn't tolerate the thought for a moment. And I greatly admre anyone that does it for a living. I have a very low customer tolerance level I would end up end up in deep:::; Although I have made all of the costumes I use for guided walks characters as well as for the other shows that I no longer do; I write illustrate and photograph costumes now instead of wearing them professionally. Occasionaly I will draft out a pattern to help a friend as a favour. Maybe I could do the job but I certainly couldnt live on what some of my friends make. How they manage and with the things I dont have; families, mortgages etc is a miracle to me and then they have to cope with fussy people as well ARGGGH.! I am planning to start doing a small number of shoemaking demonstrations next year but just mainly for the free camping in nice company. But no way am I going into ongoing supplier /customer relationship by trying to sell anything. > How many are doing this as a hobby?' My hobby is embroidery in all of its forms, not so much a hobby more therapy and it fills my time that I have to spend away from the computer; It also the only thing I have space for; its very restful. The pieces get made into shoes, eventually. I have been known to carry the work around in my camera bag when on papparazzi type contracts, to while away the hours of waiting time; > How many hours do you devote to sewing? The embroidery counts yes? ......Not enough ; On a good day I aim at 3 or 4 hours, half of which is spent admiring it or looking for mislaid items. After some particularly gruelling jobs I have a frenzy at it for hours and hours until I return to some kind of human being. > Dave _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 13:56:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05366 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:56:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15008; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:12:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11716 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:09:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from williams.tricreations.com (williams.tricreations.com [207.156.174.93]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11701 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:09:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [38.27.179.19] (ip19.columbus6.oh.pub-ip.psi.net [38.27.179.19]) by williams.tricreations.com (8.9.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA05915 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909141903.PAA05915@williams.tricreations.com> Subject: H-COST: Re: Status: hobby or professional? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:13:07 -0400 x-sender: tr002203-elisee@williams.tricreations.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Elisee du Lyonnais To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Elisee du Lyonnais Karie Mitchell wrote: >I have some other questions: >How many on this list do costuming professionally? Nope. I sell patterns and fabric for costuming, but do not produce the garments for resale or for any given group. I can barely keep my 11 year old in clothes! >How many are doing this as a hobby?' I think this would be my level at this point. It is peripheral to my profession, and I have done lots of garments, very few of which I have. But since the making of garments itself is not how I earn my living, I guess this is where I belong. >How many hours do you devote to sewing? Not nearly enough. I'm delving back into my first love, Tudor era, and actually making time to sew a couple of hours a day. Now if I can just get some new things done for _myself_. Lisa Brandt (AKA Lisee) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 14:34:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05414 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:34:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16879; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:24:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14677 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:21:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp.vci.net (smtp.vci.net [207.162.160.12]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14659 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:21:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vci.net (ppp-169-70.vci.net [207.162.169.70]) by smtp.vci.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA16167 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:21:37 -0500 Message-ID: <37DEA0E7.900A44E3@vci.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:24:23 -0500 From: "schuck@vci.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-FR,de,ru,es-AR,sv MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Re:spinners list References: <199909141740.LAA20890@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "schuck@vci.net" Yes! I'm on a list called Fibernet. It generally covers spinning and weaving topics. It is not quite as active as h-costume, but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on it. I have lost the info on how to join, but if you contact owner-fibernet-digest@Majordomo.net I'm sure they can help you. jb _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 14:34:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05417 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:34:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16867; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:24:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14667 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:21:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14639 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:21:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem59.barney.pol.co.uk ([195.92.7.59] helo=herimats) by mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Qy8z-0001Tp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:21:33 +0100 Message-ID: <022001befee6$5e6d30e0$d4065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <19990914160109.27132.qmail@www0q.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Gold thread embroidery Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:09:54 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" More USeless information ; If you ever get the chance ;go see the collection of ecclesiastical vestments at Townley Hall near Burnley; Wow, many use the technique you mention very pictorial; take a torch they keep them in the dark Dave > > -Poster: griffinhold@usa.net > > >Another technique used with metal(lic) threads was used in some >liturgical > garments I've seen. It involved couching gold thread/thin >cord with colored > threads, but the couching was very close together, >like satin stitching. The > idea was to "paint with thread", using >different colors and allowing more or > less of the gold to show for >shading. Unfortunately, the name of the > technique escapes me right >now. It was very detailed and obviously time > consuming _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 14:34:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05420 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:34:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16864; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:24:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14658 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:21:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14650 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:21:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem59.barney.pol.co.uk ([195.92.7.59] helo=herimats) by mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Qy90-0001Tp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:21:35 +0100 Message-ID: <022101befee6$5f218cc0$d4065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: <000001befedc$0d4b6e20$6b037a86@cbarnes.phoenix.com> Subject: Re: H-COST: a Sailor's Palm described Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:18:37 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" > -Poster: "Cynthia Barnes" > There's another heavy-weight hand-sewing device usually stocked nearby. > Looks like a heavy duty tambour hook, but runs on a very heavy (sail weight) > "thread" that I certainly call cord; it's quite heavy. Looks speedy & > handy. I dont know what it's called. Might be handy for medieval tent > making & repair in the field. > Is this what I tend to call ,perhaps wrongly, as a "stitching awl" like a heavy handle spike but with a hole or hook near the point. I have seen them used for stitching bales of things like cotton and wool; It is pushed through and the free end is pulled and looped back and doesnt need knotting; Also I have seen a similar but smaller thing used on those big rope fenders they used to have on boats before old car tyres? I am sorry this list is turning into "old tools" Dave _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 14:35:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05423 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:35:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16451; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13995 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:18:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from vega.utulsa.edu (vega.utulsa.edu [129.244.1.81]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13982 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mcfref55 (ref08.utulsa.edu) by vega.utulsa.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with SMTP id <0FI2000ALDLM08@vega.utulsa.edu> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:17:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:25:55 -0500 From: Marc Carlson Subject: Re: H-COST: a Sailor's Palm described In-reply-to: <199909141909.NAA11740@net.indra.com> X-Sender: marc-carlson@pop.utulsa.edu To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3.0.6.32.19990914142555.0079d5e0@pop.utulsa.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Marc Carlson "Cynthia Barnes" wrote: >...Well conjectured! It's a leather or canvas strap that partially covers the >palm & back of hand; it fits across or around 2 fingers and is anchored at >the wrist. (Gymnasts and trapeze people will recognize this style >handguard - protection from ripped callouses.) On the Sailor's Palm, at the >base of the thumb there is a small cup (maybe 3/4"), in hard rubber or >plastic. A good description, although mine doesn't have such a cup. Mine has what looks like the end of a metal thimble wrapped in rawhide. Marc _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 14:35:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05426 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:35:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15866; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13020 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:14:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13008 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:14:17 -0600 (MDT) From: Marionetta@aol.com Received: from Marionetta@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6WKHa20496 (4446) for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <594a4dc3.250ff857@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:13:27 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Boring clothes? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 14 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Marionetta@aol.com I'm often surprised at how "normal" many of the people I know who are into costuming look out of costume, although, given my mostly monochromatic wardrobe, many folks I know would probably say the same about me...what can I say, my mom dressed me in pastels as a kid and I've been rebelling ever since. ;-) 80 percent of my wardrobe is black: velvet dresses of all shapes and styles, 40s rayon dresses, 90s cotton dresses, platform flip flops, a multitude of granny boots, clunky heels, mules, brocade jackets, leather jackets, long straight rayon skirts, "slinky" a-line skirts, Chinese blouses, oxford shirts, pirate shirts, t shirts , etc., all in black. The rest is more of the above styles in olive, red, wine, purple, navy or chocolate brown. And occasionally checkerboard black/white. Most of the skirts I wear for everyday I make myself, mostly bias cut a-line short or long skirts with elastic waists. Made many of the dresses myself too, usually little 40s styled fit & flared numbers. Those I don't make I find in vintage/thirft stores or in boutiques or even at target. I don't wear pants or jeans much, I just don't think they're very flattering or comfortable. In the winter I might wear wool men's styled pants but that's about it. I do sometimes incorporate costume elements into what I'm wearing but mostly for special occasions. A velvet cape or cocoon coat over an evening dresss for example. One outfit got a lot of complements at a lounge show I went to was a scarlet teens era jacket with a matching miniskirt I made and red fez. I've been known to wear my Victorian or regency dresses to special occasions as well. I think it's great that the girls today are wearing something more orginal than the typical boring old prom dress. Who knows, the recent glut of costume movies may inspire a whole new generation of costumers... Cheers, Loren Dearborn marionetta@aol.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 15:10:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05570 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:10:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25605; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:26:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28785 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:23:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.196]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28771 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:23:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ELHLL643; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:21:35 EDT To: H-Needlework@Ansteorra.ORG Cc: H-Costume@indra.com, nlazarus@home.com Subject: H-COST: Re: [STEPS] Gold thread Message-ID: <19990914.120054.4791.3.cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-12,14-15,17-21 From: cynthia j ley Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:21:35 EDT Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: cynthia j ley Please send replies to Rose at nlazarus@home.com, and thank you for your help! She is not on this list. yis, Arlys --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- To: Naomi Lazarus On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Naomi Lazarus wrote: Does anyone know where I can get _real_ gold thread, suitable for couching and lace-making? I mean actual gold wire, drawn fine enough for these purposes? I have a project that I have been going to great lengths to make from period materials, and I would really hate to have to finish it with plastic-wrapped cotton-poly crap from the fabric store. I also need a price estimate, if that's possible. (This could easily cost more than everything else combined.) ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 15:15:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05584 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:15:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26482; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:31:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00330 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:28:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail.vcnet.com (mailadm@mail.vcnet.com [209.239.239.15]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00317 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:28:44 -0600 (MDT) From: KaosWarior@vcnet.com Received: from [209.239.238.137] by mail.vcnet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-39954U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA505 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:28:42 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:29:20 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: H-Cost: "Bum-cleavage" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: KaosWarior@vcnet.com >-Poster: "LDMundy" > >I believe that this is not possible in the US/ most of my US bought shirts >suddenly cease just below the waist; My UK ones have full tails which drape >in a curve down to mid thigh.. Perhaps this is something that dropped at the >time of independence. But then you are very particular about your >politicians. >Dave > >L.D.Mundy No, it's just that the CEO types feel its wasteful on something that can't be seen and are so cheap that they don't care about making things well, but cut corners so they won't have to "cut" into the bottom line ;-) just cheap arse bas---ds! just my $.02 Scott _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 15:28:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05624 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:28:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28648; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:44:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03527 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:41:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net (mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.230]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03510 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:41:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem14.barney.pol.co.uk ([195.92.7.14] helo=herimats) by mailrelay1.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11QzOG-0008J8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:41:24 +0100 Message-ID: <028201befef1$86065d10$d4065cc3@herimats> From: "LDMundy" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: H-Cost: "Bum-cleavage" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:40:08 +0100 Organization: Heritage Matters at Wysewords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "LDMundy" > -Poster: KaosWarior@vcnet.com > > > US bought shirts > >suddenly cease just below the waist > > No, it's just that the CEO types feel its wasteful on something that can't be > seen and are so cheap that they don't care about making things well, but cut > corners so they won't have to "cut" into the bottom line ;-) > > just cheap arse bas---ds! > AAHa At last the derivation of the this particular well known saying is made clear to me I thank you. Dave _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 15:59:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05655 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:59:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04074; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:15:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11422 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:13:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11415 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.164] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11Qzst-0002wj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:13:04 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:10:56 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Costuming: prof. or amateur In-Reply-To: <37DE9407.6FA7E849@mediaone.net> References: <19990914170029.22800.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" I don't even consider myself worthy of the title yet. 'Nuff said? I do it because I am interested in the clothing, and in learning to sew/tailor better.-- Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 16:01:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05671 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:01:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04335; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:17:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11832 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:14:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11802 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:14:52 -0600 (MDT) From: seamstrix@juno.com Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id ELHPLYB9; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:13:54 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:05:51 -0500 Subject: Re: H-COST: Elizabethan - military buttons Message-ID: <19990914.160809.-435891.1.seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-6,8-38 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: seamstrix@juno.com Another problem with having Queen Bess issue that order is that there were no military uniforms at that time. Individual comapnies might have worn some form of their officer's livery, but England itself had no standing army, so Bess couldn't have mandated anything concerning them. Karen On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:56:47 +0100 "LDMundy" writes: > > -Poster: "LDMundy" > > > I have heard this one several times but never traced a source;; > Its not > practical either else they would be all the way up the arm; > soldiers use > the upper sleeve just like the rest of us. > Dave> > > > > > -Poster: Charlene Charette > > > > I've once again come across the assertion that Elizabeth issued a > royal > > command that military uniforms have a line of buttons on the > sleeves to > > prevent soldiers from wiping their noses on their sleeves. I've > seen > > this statement several times, but it's never been footnoted to > track > > back to the original. Fact or folklore? If fact, where is it > > documented? > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com > with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 16:03:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05691 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:03:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04712; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12296 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:16:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12284 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.171.230.164] (helo=default) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11Qzwa-0003NZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:16:52 -0700 X-Sender: cjcannon@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:14:45 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: (was red head) 1997 list statistics In-Reply-To: <002f01befedf$c8ad1120$9756accf@e4c2n6> References: <19990914170029.22800.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Carol J. Bell Cannon" At 02:34 PM 09/14/1999 -0400, you wrote: -Poster: "Penny Ladnier" In 1997, ... ... the majority of people were hobbyist. ... with California carrying the largest amount. And red-headed, either by nature or by choice, for the most part. Very interesting... what other factors may we find in our explorations of this topic ? Carol _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 16:04:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05698 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:04:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04875; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:20:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12442 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:17:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12435 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:17:34 -0600 (MDT) From: trekona@erols.com Received: from erols.com (207-172-133-239.s239.tnt6.col.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.133.239]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id RAA22847 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:17:22 -0400 (EDT) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: What to do with a Uniquely You Date: Tue, 14 Sep 99 21:18:17 GMT Message-ID: References: <000001befe13$5785c1d0$6b037a86@cbarnes.phoenix.com> X-Mailer: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: trekona@erols.com Ah, maybe you can help me! It sounded like you've done quite a bit of reshaping of your Uniquely You "Cynthia Barnes" wrote: > Some modifications: > I have reshaped mine somewhat [snipped] Here's my problem: I bought the largest size they have, which still needs to be padded up a bit to get to *my* size - I think there's a 6" difference at the hip, among other areas. So my question is, what kind of glue can I use on this foam that will hold but won't dissolve the foam? I'm gonna need to do a bit of reshaping on it, obviously I can't just patch it here and there. I'm not sure that just wrapping foam batting/polyfill would be substantial enough. Any ideas? -Judy Mitchell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 16:09:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05713 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:09:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05549; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:25:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13908 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:23:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail-out2.apple.com (mail-out2.apple.com [17.254.0.51]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13875 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:23:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scv3.apple.com (A17-129-200-139.apple.com [17.129.200.139]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06068 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.202.21.54] (decaga.apple.com [17.202.21.54]) by scv3.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA11903 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909142122.OAA11903@scv3.apple.com> Subject: H-COST: What to Do with a Uniquely You Date: Tue, 14 Sep 99 14:28:46 -0700 x-sender: gdecamp@shell12.ba.best.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Gail DeCamp To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Gail DeCamp Cynthia Barnes (hi Cin!) wrote: >Do not get anything *except* an Uniquely You. They're fantastic! Expensive, >tho'. Here's how to share: buy 2 covers for the dummy. When it's your turn >w/ the dummy, take your friends cover off, put your cover on. I respectfully beg to differ; I think that if you try this, you will find it a big pain in the patootie. (Sue Toorans and I ordered one for me, then made the cover for it and applied the cover to the form in an extended two-person versus-one-dress-dummy wrestling match, complete with grunting, sweating, struggling, and many more obscenities than I usually admit that I know. ) Now I refuse to lose or gain weight, because if I did we'd have to refit the dang cover and get it back on the dummy. My humble opinion: Bite the bullet and buy one for each of you. If you can find a used one, you can probably do this cheaply. Good luck! Gail DeCamp _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 16:20:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05751 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:20:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07251; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:36:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16608 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:34:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail3.anet.net (mail3.anet.net [216.2.98.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16596 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:34:02 -0600 (MDT) From: rima@anet.net Received: from [216.2.96.40] (216.2.96.224) by mail3.anet.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:39:37 -0800 X-Sender: rima@mail.anet.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909141909.NAA11740@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:29:54 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Pro's and non-pros....and custom shoes! Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: rima@anet.net >> Karie Mitchell wrote: >> >> I have some other questions: > 1. How many on this list do costuming professionally? > 2. How many are doing this as a hobby?' > 3. How many hours do you devote to sewing? Wow. 1. Not me. Although if one more person asks if they can buy my Ca.1550 men's shirt (w/lace and pearls) off my back, I might reconsider! 2. About two years ago I looked in the mirror and realized I was wearing GAP. I had been assimilated by the Borg. I vowed never to wear jeans and a T again! Now I make my own stuff, and since there are hundreds of years of styles to choose from, I just go for what I like. Horrifying, I know, to most SCA folks, since I'll wear a 1550 shirt with a 1750 coat (yeah, men's, even though I'm a gal), shoes from 1650 and pants that just plain work for me. But hey, at least I KNOW it's wrong. And say so, if someone asks. Love those houpelands too! And those Italian Renaissance gowns....and....and.... 3. Not enough. I run two little companies (yeah, two. *sheesh* what was I thinking????), so basically I set aside a day a month or so and do nothing BUT sew. Wish it were more. But then I spin and weave too, so it's amazing I get anything done! Or that my darling hubby hasn't put me out! Hey, any of you pro's out there know where I can find someone to make me a pair of shoes for me! Something vaguely Rembrandt/Restoration - heel, high vamp, square toe? I've had great luck with folks building shoes for me, but I can't find anyone who has the wherewithall to do this period. Thanks guys! Love reading this list! Rima _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 16:20:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05755 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:20:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07261; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:36:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16611 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:34:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail3.anet.net (mail3.anet.net [216.2.98.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16600 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:34:03 -0600 (MDT) From: rima@anet.net Received: from [216.2.96.40] (216.2.96.224) by mail3.anet.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:39:37 -0800 X-Sender: rima@mail.anet.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909110640.AAA28000@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:17:28 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Dress forms Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: rima@anet.net Michelle answered me: >>OK, so who knows of a terrific dress form that 's out there, that's easily >>adjustable between two women's sizes - my friend and I wanna share, but >>she's 4 inches taller and thinner! >>Rima > Yeah, we'll have to get out the tape measure and learn the ugly truth! Glad to know height won't be a factor, though, since my pal is 4 inches taller than me! > I think it really depends on how much of a size difference there is >between you. I think most of them are made to cover a small range of sizes. >Height doesn't matter so much. > I was wondering thought, How are you go to do this without a fight? I >don't think I could share. ;) I would want it ALL the time! LOL! Well, we're good pals, and have wildly different skeds. Funny thing is, we both have teeny cars, both convertibles, so I have a feeling a lot of people are gonna see us driving down the roads with tops down, and dummy in the passenger seat! Zelda asks: >Has anyone handsewn a corset, dresses or doublet? Any advice >>would be helpful. Especially about handsewing in an authentic manner (if >>I'm stuck doing it, why not have a little fun with it!!) or materials or >>methods to avoid. >> >>Zelda > Back stitching is a must for the corset. I've done this. A long time ago. Outta time for such things these days. *sigh* Actually, I think it's BETTER for really fitted garments, since handstitching is a little stretchier than machine. There's a neat little book on handsewing that I got from Townsend. Sorry, don't have it in front of me, but it's got everything you need to know, and cost about $5. And Carrie says: >No, I don't own a neon pink spandex crushed velvet minidress... There, see! Others have escaped from the Borg too! ;-D Rima _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 16:21:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05759 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:21:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07254; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:36:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16689 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:34:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mail3.anet.net (mail3.anet.net [216.2.98.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16648 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:34:12 -0600 (MDT) From: rima@anet.net Received: from [216.2.96.40] (216.2.96.224) by mail3.anet.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0); Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:39:37 -0800 X-Sender: rima@mail.anet.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909131731.LAA20634@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:33:52 -0700 To: h-costume-digest@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Wool stuff (Kinda long....sorry....) Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: rima@anet.net Merouda answers: >Gabardine is not a fulled wool but a very fine weave. My dictionary says that >it is a worsted cotton, wool, or rayon twill cloth. Don't know what they >might >have called it in the 14th century but twill weaves are certainly appropriate >for that time. Very appropriate in fact. If I remember correctly from my weaving books, fulling showed up, in England, anyway, around 600. Somewhere around 1100 (maybe earlier, but I know they had it by then) they had figured out how to hook up fullers mallets (for pounding the cloth to "full" but not "felt" it) to waterwheels. See, after you weave wool, you want to "lock" the fibers together to make it strong, but you want to do that without "felting" the fabric so you can no longer see the weave. Wool reacts to both agitation and especially to heat. So, depending on how you agitate, pound, and heat your wool, a fabric woven one way, but fulled in another can look and feel quite different from it's sister from the same loom. Dave said: >The large bales of wool are supported on slowly rotating beams while being thumped by huge water driven trip hammers. The whole contraption is built >over the river and the bales are constantly wetted ; That part's right, but: >I think but I am may be completely wrong that it was here that I was told.- Human urine was collected from the ale houses to soak the wool in prior to >fulling and that the best came from the houses where strong ale >was drunk; I am trying to remmeber if this is correct or it is a story that I picked up >somewhere completely different; Any ideas? Well, urine was collected to make amonia for cleaning in general. I'm not sure I'd want to use something that strong on wool. Maybe MAYBE to wash the wool before spinning if it were really greasy???? But you'd have to be careful. Wool's a pretty delicate fiber. Someone also asked: >Can worsted be fulled? I had the impression that it could not. OK, this one I know: Worsted has to do with how the thread is spun in the first place. You can spin "woolen", in which the ends of the fibers are allowed to stick out of the thread, or "worsted", in which they the ends of the fibers are caught in the twist and few escape to stick out. Think "fuzzy" and "slick". Which is why "worsteds" don't make you itch as much - they don't have all those fuzzy ends sticking out. And finally, someone asked if there was a spinner's list. Probably. But there are tons of fiber folks, spinners, weavers, and felters on the Weaving list. Go to http://www.quilt.net/weaving.html - great bunch o' folks there. Just saved my hinie on something I'm about to weave. Rima Spiderwoman Weaver and Spinner (with the most yummy merino wool on my wheel this week, spun "woolen"!) _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 16:24:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05763 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:24:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07796; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:40:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17676 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:38:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17655 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:37:59 -0600 (MDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6AARa22319 (4253) for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:37:21 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Costuming: prof. or amateur To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com In a message dated 9/14/1999 11:27:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, janicedals@mediaone.net writes: << I suppose I might come under the catagory of talented volunteer, as I work with non-profit groups that rarely can afford to pay me. I've gotten the odd honorarium or travel expenses and occasionally get paid for a workshop. My husband is the bread-winner in the family. >> Like Janice, most of my costuming has been for non-profit groups that pay me only a nominal fee, or reimbursement for out-of-pocket. Recently, however, I've been hired for three jobs running which all paid fairly well and were very rewarding, but no more so for being paid. I'd consider Janice a professional "semi-professional." Certainly the ability to do fewer jobs well is preferable to me, rather than doing lots of jobs, frantically hoping I'm doing them justice, but needing the money. Not that everyone is in this position, but it can happen, given the low pay scale for costumers. At the end of the day, the main difference seems to be that my patient and wonderfully supportive husband feels less stressed out that the (insert tremendously costly but marvelously perfect period item) that I purchased myself because we just had to have it for the show, didn't cost HIM anything! I'd do it paycheck or not, but really must say I love the added bonus of being compensated on some level for my skills, especially when it gives me yet another excuse to support my not insubstantial jewelry/fabric/other costuming goodies "habits" !! angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Costumes & Custom Clothing Theatrical Costume Design "So far as my coin would stretch; and where it would not I have used my credit." King Henry the Fourth; I, ii - W. Shakespeare QUICK-LINK: http://come.to/costumes FULL URL: http://sj.znet.com/~thespian/angil/index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 16:58:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05786 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:58:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11988; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25641 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:10:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (smtp@wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25628 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:10:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.96.178.56] by wilma.widomaker.com with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for h-costume@indra.com id 11R0mq-000072-00; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:10:52 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990914220738.00743460@widomaker.com> X-Sender: rcarnegie@widomaker.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:07:38 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: H-COST: sailor's palm Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Ron Carnegie At 11:22 PM 9/13/99 PDT, you wrote: > >-Poster: "L.L. Johnson" > >Hullo > >Delurking a bit here to ask -- What is a sailor's palm and where can I find >one? Sounds like it could be something I can really use. I'm one of those >people who can't stand to use a thimble. They make my fingertips itch. >Besides, I need to actually feel what I'm stitching even if I end up with >pock marks in my fingertips (which go away after a while as my sewing >calluses begin to build up). > >Thanks > >Lonna > A palm is sort of a palm thimble, and like any thimble it takes some practice to get used to. It has a strap that fits over the hand. Usually that strap is connected by a staple, which is best removed and replaced with stitches. They can be got at good ship chandlers (sailing stuff) and some leatherworking shops, though I understand those are getting harder to find. Cheers, Ron Carnegie rcarnegie@widomaker.com ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 17:25:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05805 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:24:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15787; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02526 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:38:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bajor.ici.net (bajor.ici.net [207.180.0.58]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02518 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:38:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (d-ma-superpop-21.ici.net [207.180.40.21]) by bajor.ici.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA13095 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909142238.SAA13095@bajor.ici.net> Subject: Re: H-COST: Some other questions.-answers Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:38:31 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Irene leNoir To: "H-Costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id QAA02520 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Irene leNoir > How many on this list do costuming professionally? I have occasionally made outfits for sale, but most people just aren't willing to pay what it's worth. I have 'business cards' that I made up for personal use so people don't have to write stuff on a scrap of paper that'll get lost. They have my society name, arms, phone number, email website, etc. They also have a little line that says "seamstress extraordinaire - custom work at outrageous rates". Now whenever anyone asks me "can you make me that?" I hand them my card. If they still want to talk after reading that, then I'm willing to talk. (Am I the only person who keeps getting asked to make stuff for people who say they're willing to pay, but who somehow think they're going to get a houppelande for thirty bucks?) > How many are doing this as a hobby? That's what most of my costuming falls under. Stuff I make for myself and my lord for use in the SCA. An occasional gift for a friend. > How many hours do you devote to sewing? As others have said - not nearly enough. Probably averaging about 8 hours a month? Jessica Clark SCA: Irčne leNoir irene@ici.net http://home.ici.net/~beowulf/jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 17:25:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05809 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:25:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15861; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:42:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02718 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:39:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from zeus.directcon.net (zeus.directcon.net [206.170.184.2]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02710 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:39:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DNYEAQVF (r4p2.directcon.net [206.170.184.51]) by zeus.directcon.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09711 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909142239.PAA09711@zeus.directcon.net> X-Sender: margo@directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: (was red head) 1997 list statistics Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Margo Anderson ... ... the majority of >people were hobbyist. ... with California carrying the largest >amount. > And red-headed, either by nature or by choice, for the most >part. Very interesting... what other factors may we find in our >explorations of this topic ? I'd bet money that a statistically significant number of us are "plus size". Margo "One Tough Costumer" http://www.directcon.net/wander/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 17:55:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05830 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:55:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20151; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:11:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09864 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:09:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09858 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:09:19 -0600 (MDT) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6DXGa23997 (4253) for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:08:37 EDT Subject: Re: H-COST: Some other costuming questions.-answers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: MzScahlett@aol.com In a message dated 9/14/1999 3:39:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, irene@ici.net writes: << (Am I the only person who keeps getting asked to make stuff for people who say they're willing to pay, but who somehow think they're going to get a houppelande for thirty bucks?) >> not hardly. I get people who say "I want to hire you, can you make this?" etc., and then they say "because I can't afford those Ren Faire prices" Then I have to explain that while I balk at those "prices" it's only because I can save the labor if I make it myself. By the time they add my labor back onto the materials, they won't save any money hiring a seamstress. it never hurts to try to educate them, but generally only those with a high value on aesthetics shell out the necessary cash. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Costumes & Custom Clothing Theatrical Costume Design "Be not afraid of greatness; some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them." Twelfth-Night, II, v - W. Shakespeare QUICK-LINK: http://come.to/costumes FULL URL: http://sj.znet.com/~thespian/angil/index.html _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 17:57:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05834 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:57:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20407; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:13:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10211 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:11:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10195 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:10:59 -0600 (MDT) From: DRGurley@aol.com Received: from DRGurley@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 6FNCa28682 (6397) for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:09:56 EDT Subject: H-COST: redhead hobby seamstress (sounds like a personal ad ) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: DRGurley@aol.com In a message dated 9/14/99 5:41:54 PM Central Daylight Time, margo@directcon.net writes: > I'd bet money that a statistically significant number of us are "plus size". As a mostly lurker, I thought I'd chime in for a moment: I am a hobby-seamstress. I mostly sew costumes for my husband, myself and various friends for renfaires. However, I've received enough requests for garb that I'm considering some simple stuff through the winter to sell to newbies as the season starts again. I spend about 3 hours a week sewing. If it's not garb, I'm stiching whatever is handy to keep my 7 year old in clothes--she has a remarkable way of destroying them! I also like to make my own clothes as long as they are not too involved-my skill is evolving. I also do needlework. I'm learning to crochet and do a very simple level of blackwork. I am not "plus size". In fact, I'm the opposite and fall into the petite category as I am a mere 5'2", 125 lbs. The thing that throws me when trying to purchase clothes (especially underpinnings) is that I am rather "well endowed" at 36DD-29-38. The perfect short hourglass . I am, however, a redhead by choice! I am a natural dishwater blonde with blue/green/grey eyes depending on my mood. I've been an auburn redhead for about 5 years and don't know if I will ever go back. (I've known my DH only 2 years--wonder what he'd think if I came home blonde??) I'm truly enjoying this thread. It's nice to have mental pictures of those of you from whom I gather advice. It's even more rewarding to learn that a majority of this list are professional or semi- or mostly-professional seamstresses. DaniG _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 17:59:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05840 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:59:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20661; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:15:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10566 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:13:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bigred.unl.edu (00217146@bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10555 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA20694 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:17:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:17:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: off topic: a new toy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> I just aquired (rather unexpectedly) a used New Home "streamliner" sewing machine (a word of advice: don't buy sewing machines from thrift stores if you don't have a car and your destination is several blocks away...) and I find I know nothing really about the thing. Has anybody had good or bad experiences with one? Can anyone offer advice or a source for an instruction manual? It works smoothly and quietly, and seems pretty straight forward, but I'm curious about the thing. Thanks for your time Emma _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 18:08:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05888 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:08:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21886; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:25:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12243 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:22:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from bajor.ici.net (bajor.ici.net [207.180.0.58]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12236 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (d-ma-superpop-21.ici.net [207.180.40.21]) by bajor.ici.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA14966 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909142321.TAA14966@bajor.ici.net> Subject: H-COST: Dimensions for Hedeby Dress Fragment? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:22:08 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Irene leNoir To: "H-Costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id RAA12237 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Irene leNoir I'm hoping someone will be able to help me with an obscure question. I know that a fragment of a garment was found at an archeological dig at Hedeby. I know it is widely believed to be from a Viking-era apron or tube dress, and I've heard different theories on how the dress should be reconstructed from this fragment. The fragment in question looks approximately like so (bad ASCII art follows) ---------- | | | | | | | | | \ | \ | \ | \ | \ | \ | \ ----------------- What I'm wondering is.. .. Does anyone have any references that give the dimensions of this fragment? Jessica Clark SCA: Irčne leNoir irene@ici.net http://home.ici.net/~beowulf/jessica _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 18:08:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05892 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:08:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21869; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12263 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:22:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f207.hotmail.com [207.82.251.98]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA12256 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:22:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 7617 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 1999 23:21:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19990914232146.7616.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.172.240.176 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:21:46 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.172.240.176] From: "Andrea navin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: local medieval shop Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:21:46 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Andrea navin" You know what? That is a good question! Nothing really "authentic" (zippers anyone?). I think I will have to take a field trip down their this weekend (hopefully if I have time)! Oh what fun it will be to freak out the sales people with my clipboard and pencil:" Do you have any documentation for this outfit?" Even better: I should bring a SCA-er with me! Andrea (Maybe I'' hit the Victorian shop as well!) But what, please tell, is sold at a "local >medieval shop"? We don't have any around here, and I am dying to know! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 18:10:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05916 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:10:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22167; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:26:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12619 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:24:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from sight.vcn.com (sight.vcn.com [208.162.240.3]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12611 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:24:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default (vcn30.usr-tc1.gill.wy.vcn.com [208.162.249.90]) by sight.vcn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA10910 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:24:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000d01beff09$ddc64660$5af9a2d0@default> From: "Frank A Thallas Jr" To: References: Subject: Re: H-COST: Some other costuming questions.-answers Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:35:39 -0600 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Frank A Thallas Jr" > In a message dated 9/14/1999 3:39:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, irene@ici.net > writes: > > << (Am I the only > person who keeps getting asked to make stuff for people who say they're > willing to pay, but who somehow think they're going to get a houppelande > for thirty bucks?) >> By no means! I make Elizabethan shirts for my DH - blackworked collars, cuffs, shirtfronts; counted-by-thread pleats; embellished seams, every single stitch by hand, every blackwork design original and never worked again (I usually really really HATE that pattern after finishing one garment with it) an average of 300-400 hours of work. Someone admires it and then adds "what would you charge for one just like that? Fifty bucks?" Um, sorry, but my great-great grandma made a better wage than that doing piecework for southern cotton mills....... Liadain _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 18:11:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05920 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:11:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22303; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:27:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12714 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:24:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from exchange.acer.edu.au (exchange.acer.edu.au [203.2.133.26]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12698 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:24:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by exchange.acer.edu.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:20:11 +1000 Message-ID: From: Harvey Georgia To: "'H-costume'" Subject: Re: H-COST: Boring clothes? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:20:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Harvey Georgia On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, KATHARINE WHISLER wrote: > > So, here's my question: how do you folks tend to dress in your everyday > life, when you think you are dressed nicely? Do you employ a > fashionable/historical flair, or do you go for simple & basic? > Finally catching up on these wonderful posts. I have butt-length black hair (from a bottle) which presently has 4 blue full length hair extensions in it - not the plaited ones, but they are long and straight. My hair is naturly wavy. I tend to also dress in long skirts - the longer the better. I'm always very careful on the stairs at work to hold the hems up, as other people have a habit of stepping on them. I tend to favour more hourglass shapes, as it's what I have. I'd love to be able to wear 20s, but my bust is waaaay to big for that. I wear black and purple (yep, a goth). Lately I've been wearing a lot of 50s stuff - it's still available in bigger sizes (yay). I also wear granny boots 99% of the time, mostly as I have very bad arthritic ankles, and shoes just plain hurt. For dressing up, my favourite is to mix and match modern and older clothes to make a kind of fairy tale Victorian. Work usually finds me in a very long skirt and tshirt, or sometimes a shirt, or long, flowing dresses. Most of my sewing is costuming, but I'm trying to find time to make mundane stuff - the prices in dept. stores are just *too* scary. If I do buy 'off the rack' items, they are most likely from the ethnic-hippy stores - the kind that make a fortune out of long velvet and crinkle rayon dresses. Cheers Georgia _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 18:17:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05954 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:17:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22977; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:33:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13825 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:30:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ptlsjlab1.phoenix.com (ms3.phoenix.com [134.122.1.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA13815 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:30:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cbarnes by ptlsjlab1.phoenix.com via 134.122.3.107 with SMTP-TCP; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:35:02 -0700 From: "Cynthia Barnes" To: , "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: H-COST: RE: What to do with a Uniquely You Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:29:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000001beff08$f065d7a0$6b037a86@cbarnes.phoenix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Cynthia Barnes" Joan >>> So my question is, what kind of glue can I use on this foam that will hold but won't dissolve the foam? I'm gonna need to do a bit of reshaping on it, obviously I can't just patch it here and there. I just snipped & tucked & wrapped. Didnt glue. Personally, I'd experiment w/ white glue for several reasons: it's water soluble (and therefore undo-able), it's likely to be non-reactive as there are no alcohols, esters or other solvents of plastics in it. White glue wont be very pliable, so this might not be a good solution in some body areas. Experiment! Wrapped w/ cotton quilt batt & medical tape - sticks to lots of stuff and it's a throwaway solution to what are, for me, temporary adjustments. I still havent got the perfect solution for making my Uniquely You emulate the same amount of "dropped waist" that I have. This is a common dancer's fit problem. The CF waist is slightly (~1") lower than the CB waist line. Hanging skirts on grain on a dropped waist can be challenging. It's even harder when your dummy doesnt match the "target" body shape. Grrrrrrrrr, --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." ------------------------------ From: trekona@erols.com Date: Tue, 14 Sep 99 21:18:17 GMT Subject: Re: H-COST: What to do with a Uniquely You - -Poster: trekona@erols.com Ah, maybe you can help me! It sounded like you've done quite a bit of reshaping of your Uniquely You "Cynthia Barnes" wrote: > Some modifications: > I have reshaped mine somewhat [snipped] Here's my problem: I bought the largest size they have, which still needs to be padded up a bit to get to *my* size - I think there's a 6" difference at the hip, among other areas. So my question is, what kind of glue can I use on this foam that will hold but won't dissolve the foam? I'm gonna need to do a bit of reshaping on it, obviously I can't just patch it here and there. I'm not sure that just wrapping foam batting/polyfill would be substantial enough. Any ideas? -Judy Mitchell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 18:19:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05961 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:19:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23336; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:36:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14325 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:33:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from ptlsjlab1.phoenix.com (ms3.phoenix.com [134.122.1.9]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA14319 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:33:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cbarnes by ptlsjlab1.phoenix.com via 134.122.3.107 with SMTP-TCP; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:37:47 -0700 From: "Cynthia Barnes" To: Cc: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: H-COST: RE: What to do with a Uniquely You Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:31:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000101beff09$533ba940$6b037a86@cbarnes.phoenix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Cynthia Barnes" Joan >>> So my question is, what kind of glue can I use on this foam that will hold but won't dissolve the foam? I'm gonna need to do a bit of reshaping on it, obviously I can't just patch it here and there. I just snipped & tucked & wrapped. Didnt glue. Personally, I'd experiment w/ white glue for several reasons: it's water soluble (and therefore undo-able), it's likely to be non-reactive as there are no alcohols, esters or other solvents of plastics in it. White glue wont be very pliable, so this might not be a good solution in some body areas. Experiment! Wrapped w/ cotton quilt batt & medical tape - sticks to lots of stuff and it's a throwaway solution to what are, for me, temporary adjustments. I still havent got the perfect solution for making my Uniquely You emulate the same amount of "dropped waist" that I have. This is a common dancer's fit problem. The CF waist is slightly (~1") lower than the CB waist line. Hanging skirts on grain on a dropped waist can be challenging. It's even harder when your dummy doesnt match the "target" body shape. Grrrrrrrrr, --cin Cynthia Barnes 408.570.1023 Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com Phoenix Technologies 411 E. Plumeria Dr. San Jose CA 95134 "I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers." ------------------------------ From: trekona@erols.com Date: Tue, 14 Sep 99 21:18:17 GMT Subject: Re: H-COST: What to do with a Uniquely You - -Poster: trekona@erols.com Ah, maybe you can help me! It sounded like you've done quite a bit of reshaping of your Uniquely You "Cynthia Barnes" wrote: > Some modifications: > I have reshaped mine somewhat [snipped] Here's my problem: I bought the largest size they have, which still needs to be padded up a bit to get to *my* size - I think there's a 6" difference at the hip, among other areas. So my question is, what kind of glue can I use on this foam that will hold but won't dissolve the foam? I'm gonna need to do a bit of reshaping on it, obviously I can't just patch it here and there. I'm not sure that just wrapping foam batting/polyfill would be substantial enough. Any ideas? -Judy Mitchell _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 18:23:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05975 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:23:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23918; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:39:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15023 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:36:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.1]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15004 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:36:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (muon [129.127.36.27]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id JAA01111 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:06:49 +0930 (CST) Received: by pilot.physics.adelaide.edu.au (5.61+IDA+MU/UA-5.23) id AA05504; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:14:28 +0930 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:14:21 +0930 (CST) From: The Purple Elephant X-Sender: csmart@muon To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: H-COST: What to do with a Uniquely You In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: The Purple Elephant On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 trekona@erols.com wrote: > > > Here's my problem: I bought the largest size they have, which still needs > to be padded up a bit to get to *my* size - I think there's a 6" difference at > the hip, among other areas. > So my question is, what kind of glue can I use on this foam that will hold > but won't dissolve the foam? I'm gonna need to do a bit of reshaping on it, > obviously I can't just patch it here and there. I'm not sure that just wrapping > foam batting/polyfill would be substantial enough. You should look for a glue designed specifically for plastic, or a kind called 'polystyrene cement'. If it's not available in the usual sort of places try looking for it in model shops. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claire F. Clarke "What is this world if, full of care, Physicist, writer, We have no time to stand and stare?" and non environmentally Robert Louis Stevenson friendly substance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 18:28:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05983 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:28:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24576; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:44:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15881 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:41:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from viper.columbus.rr.com (viper.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.254]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15873 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dsc.columbus.rr.com (dhcp31161186.columbus.rr.com [24.31.161.186]) by viper.columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA13795 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <011001beff0a$fc46b240$baa11f18@dsc.columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: Subject: Re: H-COST: Re: Status: hobby or professional? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:43:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Greetings! >>I have some other questions: >>How many on this list do costuming professionally? >>How many hours do you devote to sewing? I'm what you might call "semi-pro." I do commission work and sell clothing in the SCA, but it's not my main occupation. Dress is, however, one of my scholarly research interests, and if some university decides to hire me, I guess I'll be partially a professional costume historian.... >>How many hours do you devote to sewing? It's sporadic, but several hours a week (especially if you count needlework in there--I've always got a project on the go on the nightstand). Susan _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 18:37:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05997 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:36:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25830; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17482 for h-costume-outgoing; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:50:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: net.indra.com: majordom set sender to owner-h-costume using -f Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.144]) by net.indra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17472 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:50:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.68.10]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19990914234616.EXML2782.mta3-svc@LOCALNAME> for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:46:16 +0100 Message-ID: <37DF4507.3ADA@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:04:39 -0700 From: Dawn Organization: ages of elegance (http://www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN712-000 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: H-COST: Proffessional/hobby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-h-costume@indra.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com Status: RO -Poster: Dawn I'm a pro, have been for about 17 years. You can tell by the threadbare clothes,white never seen the light of day complexion, callouses on my fingers and the permanently hungry expression. Oh and the fact that this is my only social life as I can't afford another. My advice to anyone thinking of turning pro don't do it unless you have a rich partner your own house no mortage etc and a law degree Yours Cynically Dawn _________________________________________________________________ To leave this mailing list, send mail to majordomo@indra.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE H-COSTUME From owner-h-costume@indra.com Tue Sep 14 18:38:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.c