From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 00:03:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12030 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:03:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g015Xgd01094; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:33:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g015X1Z28207; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g015WKZ28069 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:32:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.f.20721f53 (18555) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:32:48 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: LOTR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:32:56 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/21/01 9:30:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << I just got home from the very best movie I've ever seen. Really. Lord of the Rings is everything that I personally could want it to be. It was so worth waiting for, and we did wait for a very long time. The cinematography, the casting, the music, everything about this movie was complete magic in my eyes. The costumes were gorgeous, and absolutely right on for each of the characters. Yes, this is just my opinion, and someone else may see something different, but I can honestly say that this is one movie that delivered far above what I expected. Now, if I can just find out how to move to the Shire...... and get me one of those really neat hobbit holes with a round door! Linda Virginia Beach, Va. USA >> Yes, I found myself feeling "enchanted," like a spell had actually be woven upon me. I've seen it twice now, and am waiting for fiance' to get another day off to see it a third. Having read the books as a little girl, I'd never thought a human could play Frodo the way I'd fleshed him out in my mind --not just his looks, but his emotions. I was wrong. Thank you, Peter Jackson, for disproving many "impossibilities." Anyway, how does this all relate to costume? In the Sci-Fi Channel special on LOTR, they show Liv Tyler as Arwen in a dress that had black and a deep red or maybe cranberry color. That must be in a later movie, though, since I never saw it in Fellowship. Lucky I taped the special! In any case, I've decided to make the dress for my Maid of Honour, since my wedding will be renny/fantasy and those are perfect colors for her. Also, she admires that actress, and fell in love with the elves (she's new to the genre) to the point she's decided to learn to speak elven. I'm making it a surprise. :) --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 00:46:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12091 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:46:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g016Gqd03026; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:16:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016G2Z06325; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016FBZ06155 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:15:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.14.202d84d2 (18555) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:15:41 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <14.202d84d2.2962ae0d@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Margo's LOTR commentary Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:15:41 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/29/01 2:05:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << No character developement, no motivation except a general feeling that Evil is a bad thing. An endless travelogue of interesting settings, populated by Things that Want to Kill You. Swordfights. More pretty scenery, more Things That want To Kill You. Another swordfight. More scenery....and surprise, here come some Things That want To Kill You. And on and on, until the three hours are up, fade out, and wait till next year when we'll do the whole media circus again. >> But Margo, many of the characters of the Fellowship did not get developed until the 2nd book. It takes time travelling together for each character's qualities to come out, much like it does with coworkers who later become true friends. Also, most of the Fellowship characters will change over time. I do not think it a spoiler to say here that Gimli and Legolas eventually throw off their racial prejudices to become best friends. You also come to know The Enemy better over the course of the trilogy. Tolkien doesn't give you all the info at the beginning because he doesn't want you to feel comfortable with them; humans are much more afraid of the unknown. Of course, you need lot like it because I say so, but I just wanted you to know the next movie will NOT simply be a repeat of the first. I know this from the books, which I got through quite happily. I admit they start very slow. The pace picks up at Weathertop, though, and pretty much becomes a page-turner from there (IMHO). --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 00:48:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12099 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:48:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g016Jgd03216; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:19:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016J1Z07005; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016IcZ06924 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:18:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.c6.4403256 (18555) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:19:11 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: elvish Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:19:11 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/29/01 2:05:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << What is that "Elvish" from the movie, please? Sindarin or Quenya? (Only for hard core Tolkien fans.) >> Don't know yet, but "The Languages of Tolkien" is being shipped to me as we speak... --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 01:00:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12131 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:00:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g016Vfd03737; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:31:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016V0Z09505; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f147.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016UkZ09469 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:30:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:31:21 -0800 Received: from 203.56.239.111 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 06:31:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.56.239.111] From: "Rebecca Anderson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2002 06:31:21.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED526A90:01C1928D] Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 17:01:21 +1030 Status: RO





Happy New Year!!!

I've been lurking on the list for some time now and I've noticed that there are a lot of costumers on it. So just for curiosity where are you all from and why are you interested in historical costume?

My name is Rebecca Anderson and I live in Adelaide, South Australia. I started costuming less than 2 yrs ago. I've always been interested in history, then about 2 yrs ago I joined a historical re-enactment group and have been a costuming nut eversince.

 

Rebecca Anderson

aka Lady Adele Anders

P.S. How does one make a Tudor style gable hood? I've looked at a lot of pics and I'm totaly stumped.


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_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 01:10:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12157 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:10:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g016ffd04012; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:41:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016f0Z11256; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016e5Z11101 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:40:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9A82850268; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 00:39:36 -0600 Message-ID: <000c01c1928e$95249ae0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: elvish X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:36:00 -0500 Status: RO On National Geographic they said the language was made up from a small community that spoke a variation of Finnish. If I remember correctly the community is in rural Russia. The language is not 100% the same, but is close to this community. The language in the community is only spoken by the elders. This community while not exist for very long. All the citizens are very old. The younger generations moved off into the modern world. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 01:11:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12161 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:11:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g016g5d04049; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:42:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016fOZ11354; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:41:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016eVZ11180 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:40:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.94.1f2a8308 (18555) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:41:03 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <94.1f2a8308.2962b3fe@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Maura's LOTR commentary Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:41:02 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/29/01 7:26:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << I don't think Boromir's tunic is beaded. I think it's embroidered, but the design would lend itself well to beads. >> I'm hoping to see it a 3rd time, but I did think those were beads on the purple short sleeves. It would make sense, since he's the son of the acting leader of Gondor and quite wealthy. Did you also notice his face was clean compared to Aragorn's in his final scene-- subtle, but a lovely way to contrast the nobleman to the ranger. <> Yes! 50 meters! And my fiance' wants me to make him that costume! The price may just kill me. Anyone know where I can get black guaze real cheap? Also, it seemed to me that I'd have to make it shorter if he won't be mounted, since there'd be cloth trailing all over the floor. I also make carved boiled leather armor, so he wants me to replicate the plate armor of the King of the Nazgul. (I do chainmail too sometimes.) I'm wondering what other small requests he'll be making of me...LOL As for the hobbit bodices, I figured they were just going for a wenchy look, to suggest hedonism. I do like Maggie's theory though about expanding waist sizes. I mean, that's why the style is so popular at renfairs, no? <> Now I have to go again just to look at Galdriel's sleeves! --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 01:23:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12193 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:23:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g016sgd04774; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:54:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016s0Z14006; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016rpZ13970 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:53:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p67-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.212.67]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id TAA10528 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:54:27 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host p67-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.212.67] claimed to be user Message-ID: <000c01c19290$53b066a0$43d4adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <177.19d150f.2962809c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR - end credits -- again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:48:29 +1300 Status: RO > Another uninformed guess -- Ngaio Marsh's novels sometimes include phrases of > Maori, and the phrases I can recall certainly resemble the lines from the end > credits. I suspect it is Maori, but have no idea what it would mean. Does anyone remember the phrases? I might be anble to hazard a guess, especially if it's thanks to say local tribes for use of land etc.. it's not on the official sites or anyone fast enough to get it on a personal site? michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 01:49:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12260 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:49:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g017Kgd05866; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:20:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g017K1Z19181; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g017J2Z18994 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.11c.a05c0d9 (18555) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:19:26 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.a05c0d9.2962bcfd@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cat's LOTR commentary Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:19:25 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/31/01 2:34:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << Boromir: - Maroon under tunic has metal coiled threadwork embroidery on the collar and on the sleeves. >> Ah, like in India! Yes, I would have misktaken that for beads. And thanks for the screensaver suggestion! Because I don't use screensavers, I never would have thought to go there for costume pics. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 01:52:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12269 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:52:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g017Ngd05986; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:23:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g017N1Z19658; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g017MpZ19615 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:22:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.194.91b1b3 (18555) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:23:29 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <194.91b1b3.2962bdf1@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Galadriel's dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:23:29 EST Status: RO I guess I do need to watch it again, since I did not think Galadriel was wearing lace at all. To me, the outer layer looked like a burnout that you'd find in the special occasion dept of a fabric store. Burnouts are usually not actually burned nowadays, but the look of sheerness between solid shapes is still called that. Curious now... --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 02:06:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14154 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:06:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g017bgd06424; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:37:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g017b0Z22102; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g017aWZ22005 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:36:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.79.20aeba5d (18555) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:37:01 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <79.20aeba5d.2962c11c@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Kat and violence in LOTR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:37:00 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/31/01 2:34:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << I agree with Margo, however. I didn't care much for it as it was *way* too violent for me. I spent a good portion of the movie (especially in the last part) with my head buried in my husband's shoulder going "are they done fighting yet." However, since it is a cultural icon, I will go see the other two. >> Oh dear! There's going to be a war, ya know... LOTR is a metaphorical account of Tolkien's own emotional experiences of WWII, written into a fantasy story. I'm afraid it will get MUCH more violent. Felt I should warn you. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 02:26:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30347 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:26:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g017vgd06883; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:57:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g017v1Z25435; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g017uMZ25277 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:56:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.116.9fd4d0c (18555) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:56:53 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <116.9fd4d0c.2962c5c4@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: maori? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:56:52 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/31/01 2:40:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << I didn't stay for the end credits or else could tell you what it said in maori (if it was). I'm going to see the movie again before I make any other comments. >> Yes, please Sharon! We all can't wait to hear what will most likely be just a "Thanks to John Doe for everything." Sadly, I really do want to know... --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 02:38:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07922 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:38:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0189gd07276; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:09:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01891Z27422; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01880Z27249 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.14f.6935bdc (25917) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 03:08:35 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <14f.6935bdc.2962c882@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: more LOTR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 03:08:34 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/31/01 2:40:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << TV serials are too choppy for me (commercial breaks -- ack, ptui!), I never see every episode, and they cost a fortune on video tape. I'd have loved a longer movie, with an intermission -- more time in Lothlorien to show the inner temptations and the gifts would have helped, and the timeline from BagEnd to Bree was off, somehow. A friend used to work in a movie theatre -- she said that movies have to be 3 hours and 45 minutes to get an intermission. >> The good news is, we'll likely get to see more scenes when it comes out on DVD. They shot more footage than the 3-hr limit allowed. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 03:10:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01703 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 03:10:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g018ehd08133; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:40:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g018e1Z02341; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from wellington.cnchost.com (wellington.concentric.net [207.155.252.14]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g018dLZ02239 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:39:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (lax9-tgn-luy-vty2.as.wcom.net [216.193.20.2]) by wellington.cnchost.com id DAA26679; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 03:39:59 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200112311902.fBVJ2fZ07143@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Subject: [h-cost] LOTR Costume Details Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:36:53 -0800 Status: RO Quoting and answering questions from a number of folks Hobbit Females - Did find the pointy front in the front of just one bodice. It was very shallow… and by the way the bodice bows out at the waist, I’ll guess pollyboning was used. Backs and sides look solidly interfaced and probably has enough boning to hold the seams solid. The bust shapes are round and covered by the square necked bodices. All are square necked. Guess on pattern. Probably darts, partially because the heaving interfacing and bias binding to finish the edges are all theatrical tricks I used to use. (Amazing the details you can see w/ a jeweler's loop! ) - Not all the women have bodices, just the close up ones. The bib apron is used on a few. (Though the bib apron is also used with people w/ bodices.) - Fabrics: nothing is matching from the photos I checked (though I think I’ ll catch the movie again). Some times they use two shades of blue, one underskirt one bodice. I think that since the apron is so fully gathered, on some it almost looks like the top skirt. Hobbit Males: <> Yes, and pockets and waist are also placed high. This also changes how hobbits stand. It’s off kilter just enough our ‘eye’ notices. Galadriel's white dress: << 2 photo's of Galadriel's white dress the *same* dress?>> Both dress are beaded. Looked at all the photos, also beaded. Necklines are different, given how expensive that beading is, it might be the same dress modified. Pattern looks like it “might” be the same. Can’t tell. To muddy the water, here’s another eleven dress. The neckline matches, but I’m not sure the sleeves are the right pattern. Lighting makes it impossible to identify the colors. Anyone got any clues which dress this is if the other beaded dresses match?????? Questionable: http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/2301 Old links: http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/2143 http://www.ringfan.com/~mbass/www.tolkienmovies.com/images/characters/imladr is-galadriel.jpg. -- easy way to look at detailing on the dress if you don’t have Photoshop. Copy and paste the picture into a Word document and then increase the magnification to 200% or 300%. Just FYI, I'm going though the Casa Loma pictures and pulling out all the costume ones I can. I'll have the links as labeled as I can within a week. (This is fun, if hard on the eyes.) This just proves.. never give me a week off... I find new obsessions. Happy New Year! -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 07:14:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28955 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 07:14:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01CeOd19405; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:40:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01CdaZ06272; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:39:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01CZGZ05519 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:35:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16LO95-000PeW-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:35:56 +0000 Message-ID: <0Xb$AEAc5KM8Iw3A@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors 2002 Predictions In-Reply-To: <018801c1910d$70ea7320$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:28:44 +0000 Status: RO Are these people related to wine critics? "A multicultural red" ..." a hueful neutral" Do you think we'll be able to tell them from western imperialist red and light grey? Jean >Overall, Color Directions for 2002 are fresh and clean, >yet the colors are fascinatingly adaptable. Hues are ambiguous >with mixed undertones that allow them to cross color families >without being wholly defined by one. > >The 2002 Consumer Color Directions Forecast includes: > >Rosa Roja: A multicultural, non-synthetic red with a strong >Latin influence. A romantic red that comes alive for both men >and women. > >Langostino: >Bridges orange, pink and red, yet it's softened and veiled. > > >Tiger Lily: A complex and multidimensional orange combining >the vibrant florals of nature with the satisfying glow of a quiet fire. > > >Tangy: A natural, yet clear orange. > > >Eureka: A cool yellow drawing its influence from Morocco and >Vietnam. It's supernatural and strong, yet provides an energized >contentment. > > >Pineapple: A pale, luminescent yellow with organic overtones. >It bridges spring into winter with a softness that is almost a >neutral, but is able to maintain its color placement through >a sense of light. > > >Lemoncello: The hybridization of nature and technology into >a sophisticated yellow, with a calming green influence. > > >Gingko: The botanical green of dried grasslands, bridging the >fresh excitement from mustard greens with the relaxing feel >of a forest's treasured mosses. > > >Mesa Verde: The return of true green, heralding a move away >from recent acidity lime-greens. Strongly influenced by an >undertone of blue, it is natural and refreshing. > > >Oxygen: A blue sky as seen through glass block. >A breath of fresh air representing a silver influence on aquatic blues. > > >Blue Bayou: The shift of classic navy toward an updated >techno-version of blue with a metallic, watery sheen. > >Fathom: A key bridge of green into blue, it addresses the >continuation and evolution of teals inspired by blue. >Its sophisticated coloration completes the mind's need for peace >and serenity. > > >Essence of Lilac: An extreme, pale botanical blue with a hint of >lilac. It supports the desire for translucency across all market >segments. > > >Moon Shadow: Provides a respite from technology and >reflects our fascination with atmospheric grays. >A hueful neutral that allows other colors to retain their >individual appeal. > > >Chocolate Raisin: With its blending of brown into black, >this saturated hue has a strong horticultural influence. >It is complex, captivating and elegant in its richness. > > >Sycamore: The evolution of a classic neutral brown. >Edgy but luxurious. > > -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 07:39:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29008 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 07:39:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01DAGd24042; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:10:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01D9XZ11280; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:09:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01D5MZ10670 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:05:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.251]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020101130602.IRLU11568.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:06:02 +0100 Message-ID: <3C31B45C.3030905@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <106.ae403c8.29622c03@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: [lace] Gold lace in Costume Institute Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:06:36 +0100 Status: RO I got this news from the lace list. Some of you might be interrested. I wish i could go and have a look! Bjarne Dmt11home@aol.com wrote: > There is an exhibit at the Costume Institute at the Metropolitan > Museum of Art right now called Extreme Fashion. While the exhibit is > interesting in its own right, the most interesting part to me was an > Elizabethan era collar. It is a very transparent muslin, flat and > square shaped, with gold bobbin lace around it. There is very little > gold bobbin lace left because people recovered the gold by > "drizzling", as I understand it. The collar is so nicely lit that the > gold really stands out and you have a good idea of how splendid it > must have looked. Also interesting, is that you can peer behind it to > see the "supportasse" behind it. I was surprised at how pretty this > support was. Gunnel, the lace expert, pointed out that the support > would have been fully visable from the back since it made the collar > stand straight up. > Devon -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 08:07:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29073 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:06:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01Dbld24810; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:37:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01Db0Z15414; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20301.mail.yahoo.com (web20301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.82]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g01DX0Z14895 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:33:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020101133340.31681.qmail@web20301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.98.177] by web20301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 05:33:40 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:33:40 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Rebecca Anderson wrote: So just for curiosity where are you all from and why are you interested in historical costume Well, for me it was enlightened self-interest. I was, until recently, a 300-lb. singer/harper.* Since my field is Very Early Music (pre-1400) I like to perform in costume and couldn't find anything to fit me! Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" *now I'm a 210-lb. singer/harper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 08:12:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29084 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:12:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01Dhgd24956; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:43:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01Dh0Z16259; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01Db0Z15415 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01046 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p12.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.140]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA09778 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:37:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201011337.IAA09778@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] redingote In-Reply-To: <3C2FED56.9010009@accessus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 08:33:45 -0500 Status: RO My advice would be to get the Janice Ryan patterns for this period: http://www.jpryan.com/ Her patterns are well-drafted and have clear instructions. When I'm making clothes for my hubby or for friends, I ask them to buy these patterns as a base from which I can work. The fall-front breeches, men's waistcoat (it says 1750s, but would work fine for 1740s as well), and 1750s coat (ditto) would be a good set of patterns to buy. If I had to change one thing to back-date the patterns, I'd cut the coat fronts in a straight line, rather than cut slightly back from the waistline to the hem; that's an easy enough alteration to make. A close second for 18th c. clothing would be Mill Farm patterns from Burnley and Trowbridge, but I can't find that catalog and their web site seems to be perpetually under construction, so I can't suggest any specific patterns. Cheers, Mara At 10:45 PM 12/30/2001 -0600, you wrote: >A couple of my friends and I are doing costumes for Costume Con in 2003. > The gentleman involved is not confident enough to draft his own >pattern, so he wants to know what commercially available pattern is the >most accurate, easiest to use, etc. The ones he is familiar with are: >1. Richard the Thread: http://www.richardthethread.com/patterns.html >(the Restoration one) >2. the ones on this site: http://www.harriets.com/Colonialmen.htm > >Could you let me know if either of these are any good, or if there are >others he should consider instead? He is looking for a 1740's look (to >match his wife's outfit). Thanks. > >Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 09:49:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29599 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:49:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01FJhd29225; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:19:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01FJ0Z02281; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01FFmZ01226 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:15:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m27.in-tch.com [216.166.191.27]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g01F5Jb22868 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:05:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C31D3C6.179A2CAD@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 08:20:38 -0700 Status: RO Hi, and welcome.... I live in Missoula, MT (USA), and have "made" things since I was too little to speak in complete sentences, so the sewing and embroidery are just part of me. I got into costuming because it was my job --seriously, I worked for a couple of years in a costume shop for my work-study job in college. I got a taste of historical-ish stuff then, but didn't get into it, really, until, like you, I joined a group (the SCA in my case), and then I went nuts. This was all well over a decade ago, and now my fabric/books/trim stash threatens to take over the house. ;-P The single thing I like most about this list, besides the amazing variety of people, is all of our divergent interests, which have really enlarged my perspective on clothing and textiles in the time I've been on the list. (since I don't say it nearly often enough, thanks everybody ) While I haven't actually ever made a gable headdress, you can find some links to ideas/instructions on Drea's website: http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/general.html Have fun..... Sue Rebecca Anderson wrote: > > Happy New Year!!! > > I've been lurking on the list for some time now and I've noticed that > there are a lot of costumers on it. So just for curiosity where are > you all from and why are you interested in historical costume? > > My name is Rebecca Anderson and I live in Adelaide, South Australia. I > started costuming less than 2 yrs ago. I've always been interested in > history, then about 2 yrs ago I joined a historical re-enactment group > and have been a costuming nut eversince. > > > > Rebecca Anderson > > aka Lady Adele Anders > > P.S. How does one make a Tudor style gable hood? I've looked at a lot > of pics and I'm totaly stumped. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 10:54:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30085 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:54:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01GPid02582; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:25:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01GP0Z15014; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01GNkZ14675 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:23:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.5a.446b933 (4185) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:24:20 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <5a.446b933.29633cb3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5a.446b933.29633cb3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10032 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:24:19 EST Status: RO --part1_5a.446b933.29633cb3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I live in Riverdale, Maryland, a suburb of Washington DC. Always been interested clothes--made paper dolls and doll clothes as a child. Majored in home economics in college. Made many of my own clothes through the years. Got into various things such as lingerie and active wear. (I still have boxes of fabric from these phases!) Went to the University of Maryland for a Ph.D. in historic costume and textiles. (Sorry for those of you who are interested in advanced study--the program is now defunct.) Worked in some area theater costume shops but at the peon level, so I didn't get to do any design, which is what I really enjoy. Then fell into a job at an early 19th century historic house museum, where I finally, after 5 years, have a full-time, professional position. My main responsibility is programming, and living history is always popular, so I have gotten into early 19th century costume. I'm a member of the Costume Society of America and have presented papers and posters based on my research. My husband is a square dance caller, and I still make square dance clothes, too, although I have given up on daywear. When I figure in my time, I can't make a pair of lined wool slacks for $30, which I paid for a pair yesterday. For the square dance attire, I've developed what I call a template--use the same pattern all the time with minor variations and easy fit and construction--no zippers and I serge all the seams I can. One thing that early 19th century and square dance clothes have in common is that I get to play with trims, which I dearly love to do. Ann Wass --part1_5a.446b933.29633cb3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I live in Riverdale, Maryland, a suburb of Washington DC.  Always been interested clothes--made paper dolls and doll clothes as a child.  Majored in home economics in college.  Made many of my own clothes through the years.  Got into various things such as lingerie and active wear.  (I still have boxes of fabric from these phases!)  Went to the University of Maryland for a Ph.D. in historic costume and textiles.  (Sorry for those of you who are interested in advanced study--the program is now defunct.)  Worked in some area theater costume shops but at the peon level, so I didn't get to do any design, which is what I really enjoy.  Then fell into a job at an early 19th century historic house museum, where I finally, after 5 years, have a full-time, professional position.  My main responsibility is programming, and living history is always p! opular, so I have gotten into early 19th century costume.  I'm a member of the Costume Society of America and have presented papers and posters based on my research.
My husband is a square dance caller, and I still make square dance clothes, too, although I have given up on daywear.  When I figure in my time, I can't make a pair of lined wool slacks for $30, which I paid for a pair yesterday. 
For the square dance attire, I've developed what I call a template--use the same pattern all the time with minor variations and easy fit and construction--no zippers and I serge all the seams I can.
One thing that early 19th century and square dance clothes have in common is that I get to play with trims, which I dearly love to do.
Ann Wass --part1_5a.446b933.29633cb3_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 12:59:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30650 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:59:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01IUjd09418; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:30:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01IU0Z08807; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:30:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01IPnZ08044 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:25:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p103.directcon.net [209.79.209.152]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA17767 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:25:54 -0800 Message-Id: <200201011825.KAA17767@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: LOTR - Rivendell (artists) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:25:54 -0800 Status: RO At 02:47 PM 12/31/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Ah thanks, from the discussion I thought maybe they were con artists. my >mistake. Well, Kincade is something of a con artist, in that he's managed to convince so many people that his work is Art....Oh! You meant SCIENCE FICTION CONVENTION artist! Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 15:45:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31277 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:45:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01LGSd21412; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:16:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01LFYZ11036; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:15:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01LCaZ10397 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:12:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (A020-0897.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.85.135]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g01LDHe96068 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:13:18 -0500 Message-ID: <00d901c19309$bedc9380$8755fe3f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C192DF.D4F9FD80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:17:39 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C192DF.D4F9FD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy New Year!!! I've been lurking on the list for some time now and I've noticed that = there are a lot of costumers on it. So just for curiosity where are you = all from and why are you interested in historical costume? Hi! I'm Moira, and I live in sunny Florida, USA. I've been = interested in cultures, languages and costumes for as long as I can = remember, and have been trying to do it myself since early 1994 when I = joined a group called the SCA and realized I couldn't afford to buy = garb/costumes for the (then) 4 of us, but knew how to sew. Now it's 6 = of us, and my almost 4 year old is a garbhorse. I'm presently trying to = come up with something beautiful but practical for being in a wheelchair = and a herald.;-} Yours In Service to the Dream, Moira bean Eoin (Heather modernly) ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C192DF.D4F9FD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

Happy New Year!!!

I've been lurking on the list for some time now and I've noticed that there are a lot of costumers on it. So just for curiosity where are you all from and why are you interested in historical costume?

Hi!  I'm Moira, and I live in sunny Florida, USA.  I've been interested in cultures, languages and costumes for as long as I can remember, and have been trying to do it myself since early 1994 when I joined a group called the SCA and realized I couldn't afford to buy garb/costumes for the (then) 4 of us, but knew how to sew.  Now it's 6 of us, and my almost 4 year old is a garbhorse.  I'm presently trying to come up with something beautiful but practical for being in = a wheelchair and a herald.;-}

Yours In Service to the = Dream,

Moira bean Eoin (Heather modernly)

------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C192DF.D4F9FD80-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 17:13:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31598 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:13:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01Mijd27024; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:44:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01Mi0Z29857; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01Mf8Z29288 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:41:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-117.frys.com [66.121.20.117]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g01MeLr09595 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:40:21 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020101144107.01799bf0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Maura's LOTR commentary In-Reply-To: <94.1f2a8308.2962b3fe@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:48:16 -0800 Status: RO I do like Maggie's theory though about expanding waist >sizes. I mean, that's why the style is so popular at renfairs, no? No. There they just do it to look wenchy, and because it's easy to wear. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 17:15:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31606 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:15:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01Mkfd27219; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:46:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01MjvZ00569; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:45:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01MfBZ29305 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:41:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-117.frys.com [66.121.20.117]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g01MeJr09592 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:40:19 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020101105737.01795ba0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Tudor hood Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:27:10 -0800 Status: RO P.S. How does one make a Tudor style gable hood? I've looked at a lot of pics and I'm totaly stumped. I started with a square-backed linen under-cap which tied under my chin, like in a Holbein drawing I saw. Everything else got fastened to this. I added a "turban" made of a two-inch strip of striped taffeta crossed over in the front (visible in the paintings). Then I added the gable part, which was a decorated two-inch strip lined with something stiff. I did later-period, so I pinned the lappets up after I made them. In the back of the gable I put a square-backed velveteen part like the under-cap has but with two tails so I could do that 'whelk shell' wrap over the top with one of them. As I said, all the hood part got pinned to the under-cap, which was securely tied to my head. But the fit was so good (finally) that I almost didn't need to pin anything. Look into Holbein drawings. There's one of the front and the back of the same lady, and that was very instructive. But my standard advice is to play with muslin/calico or paper till you get it looking right, then make a real one. (I've been doing costuming so long that I can sort of detach myself from the glitz and look at the topology of what I am seeing, which helps.) Use a Styrofoam wig stand, so you can pin the parts to it. > > I've been lurking on the list for some time now and I've noticed that there > are a lot of costumers on it. So just for curiosity where are you all from > and why are you interested in historical costume? I live in California near San Francisco, a part of the USA which has lots of costumery going on for various reasons. As for why I am interested, I liked to create costumes from a dress-up box when I was a kid, so my mother gave me my first costume book when I was 8. > > My name is Rebecca Anderson and I live in Adelaide, South Australia. I > started costuming less than 2 yrs ago. I've always been interested in > history, then about 2 yrs ago I joined a historical re-enactment group and > have been a costuming nut eversince. I spent 3 days in Adelaide, on an SCA trip I did in the early 80's. I remember being overflown by a flock of wild budgies, and I remember brush fences and Stobie poles. Nowadays my morris side does a dance called 'South Australia', and I'm the only one of us who's actually been there. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 17:33:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31667 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:33:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01N4jd28651; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:04:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01N40Z04838; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01N2ZZ04556 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:02:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPA81H00.O5B for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:03:17 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] LOTR - end credits -- again Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000c01c19290$53b066a0$43d4adcb@user> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:59:59 -0800 Status: RO I've been looking on vcarious fan sites and can't find any mention. But they do say that Maori shamen (or whatever the correct term is) blessed the various shooting sites, so it may be safe to say it's either a thank you or a blessing of some kind. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of michaela > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 10:48 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR - end credits -- again > > > > Another uninformed guess -- Ngaio Marsh's novels sometimes include phrases > of > > Maori, and the phrases I can recall certainly resemble the lines from the > end > credits. I suspect it is Maori, but have no idea what it would mean. > > Does anyone remember the phrases? I might be anble to hazard a guess, > especially if it's thanks to say local tribes for use of land etc.. it's not > on the official sites or anyone fast enough to get it on a personal site? > > michaela > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 18:16:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31792 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:16:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01Nkkd02176; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:46:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01Nk1Z12966; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01NjEZ12856 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:45:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_gc_dev1.2.) id 7.141.73b401b (3853) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:43:10 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <141.73b401b.2963a38e@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Alix's dress questions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:43:10 EST Status: RO <> Alix, This style would have laced in the back only. Think about it, if you do the belting as pictured then side lacing would clutter the image. As for underarm gores, if this dress is like the 10-gore I am thinking it is, then the side gores go all the way up to the underarm so that you don't need separate triangular gores in the armpits. A historical 10-gore would indeed have a waist-high gore in front too, but I think you could skip that if you are doing renny-fantasy and prefer the smooth front look. The train I'd recommend as a semi-circle (1/3 to 1/2 a circle with a diameter equal to the width of the dress at the hemline) which will make it come down much longer than the front hem which is only slightly curved. The sleeves would prbably be easiest for a beginner done as tubes for the upper arm stitched to separate lower sleeves. (Trim will cover the seam.) I really can't think how to describe the shape of the lower sleeves... But for the upper sleeves: Measure the circumference of the top of your arm at the underarm arm and again above the elbow. Measure the length of your arm between those circumferences. Mapped out on your scrap material or pattern paper, this should give you a slightly trapezoidal shape. Now measure the hieght difference from your underarm to your shoulder top -- about 5 inches for medium arms. Find the center of the top of the trapezoid and draw a mark directly above it the number of inches you just measured. Now draw a gentle arc that connects the right point of the top of the trapezoid to the center dot to the opposite trap corner. (Your seam will be under your arm when sewn together.) On the fitted undersleeves... Although they were probably a separate fitted smock/underdress, you could easily do mock-sleeves sewn inside the bottom of your upper arm tubes to save material. It'd be a bit cooler for summerwear. I'm not a silk expert, since I'm more of a brocade and velvet fiend, but some sort of silk would look delicious on this dress I think. And green is always a good choice. :) On lacing, you'll want to poke holes through the material with an awl (available at most fabric stores in the notions dept). The awl moves the threads aside instead of cutting them, which means little fraying of your material at the eyelet. I also suggest fusing a strip of interfacing to the inside of the silk where the holes will be, to reinforce it. Grommets with washers are better than eyelets, cuz they don't rip out often. Make holes about every inch on one side, then do the same on the other except start your row 1/2 an inch down from where you did on the first side. That will set your holes for spiral lacing, which simply means lacing a single cord in a zigzag down both sides. Knot one end to keep it in place, then slip on the dress and tighten. Then tie off the other end. Pic below (Drea's maybe?), though it doesn't show how the eyelets should be offset: http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/lizpics/lacing/splacing.jpg The false braids would look wonderful with gold cord or maybe green ribbon to match your dress braided in. Hope this helps, Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 18:34:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31844 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:34:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0204qd03513; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:04:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02040Z16979; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01NxEZ15666 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:59:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.241.42.43] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 15305625 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 19:05:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004c01c19243$d4e92d80$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> References: <004c01c19243$d4e92d80$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Anglo-Saxon burials Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:59:50 -0500 Status: RO I took Ben's first class and LOVED it. Wonderful info! I haven't been able to make anything from it yet except a pair of small brooches, but am itching to get started- on the jewelry, at least as much as the clothing. I loved the wealth of pictures! I'd love to sign up for the next one but just can't spare the time again so soon after the first. I'm hoping it'll be offered again, though.... -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 19:22:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31987 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:22:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g020qkd06482; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:52:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g020q0Z27331; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g020kkZ26348 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:46:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.177.1a10763 (3853) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:46:59 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <177.1a10763.2963b282@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: how I got into historical costuming... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:46:58 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/1/02 3:42:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << Happy New Year!!! I've been lurking on the list for some time now and I've noticed that there are a lot of costumers on it. So just for curiosity where are you all from and why are you interested in historical costume?>> My Elizabethan name is Gillian Tedcastle, and I live in Boston. I sewed the doll pillow that came with Simplicity sewing machines in the 80's, but when all the threads pulled right out I decided sewing wasn't for me, hehe. I didn't know to backstitch or knot back then. Today, I am a seamstess. So how did that happen? Well, I went off to college, and in a moment of boredom I decided to go to a meeting of the Medieval Guilde-- a club on campus. That was 8 years ago. I'd always been a reader of fantasy, and loved tales of knights, etc. I ended up returning for more meetings, until the president announced an event was coming up and we had to "make" garb for it. Me?! Sew?! But she held some workshops and brought her sewing machine for all to use, and I eventually made the most horrid piece of costuming ever. I switched colleges after that, but my interest in sewing period garb continued. After much practice, and learning sewing techniques--I highly recommend the "Vogue Sewing Book" -- I began to sell my creations at local LARPs. I now do corsetry, modern gothic design, and renny garb. I am still learning about historical patterns, so most of my comissions and sales to date are Dark Age or Renaissance-inspired fantasy. <> Hello Rebecca! And welcome to our lil list of obsessors. *grin* <> Well, below is a site for period headress of the same time period. No gable hood yet, though. Simplicity has a pattern including a gable hood, but I doubt it's accurate. Perhaps you could combine the French hood by McMasters with the Simplicity pattern # 9929, since I do know the french evolved from the earlier gable. But if Simplicity tells ya to use cardboard, don't. Use buckram over a wire frame for historical accuracy, or plastic canvas for costume that won't get ruined in rain. http://pweb.jps.net/~patterns/patterns.html Incidentally, Simplicity has also come out with a pattern group inspired by Maulin Rouge = # 9899 Happy New Years! Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 20:15:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32144 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:15:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g021kld10390; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:46:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g021k1Z10143; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g021fmZ09288 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:41:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from att.net ([12.77.138.71]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020102014225.IWCY13869.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:42:25 +0000 Message-ID: <3C326668.626A1991@att.net> From: Crissy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------23D40EF22028A3562C8C78A0" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:46:16 -0500 Status: RO --------------23D40EF22028A3562C8C78A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Happy New Year!!!I've been lurking on the list for some time now and > I've noticed that there are a lot of costumers on it. So just for > curiosity where are you all from and why are you interested in > historical costume? > > Welcome and Hello! I'm going to come out of 'lurk and comment briefly' mode to pipe in my reasons why..... To introduce myself, my name is Crissy Brillant. I started sewing as soon as I was old enough to pick up a needle. My earliest costume memory is of my mother sewing ALL the costumes for our church's production of Jesus Christ Superstar when I was 5yrs old. I fell in love with all the shiny sparkly bits that were left over that she let me play with. Soon enough I got a toy sewing machine that really sewed, but I wanted to use the "big one " like Mom. I was told I could use it when I could reach the pedal. The next day Mom came out to see me at the machine trying to thread it. I had put the pedal up on several encyclopedia volumes so I *could* reach it and I had already wound the bobbin! At this point she decided it would probably be easier to teach me how to sew rather than argue that I was still too little to use her machine. I have always enjoyed playing with color combinations and embellishment options, but as a result I end up with things that are "historically inspired" most times rather than "historically accurate". I went to my first Ren faire when I was 14 and fell in love with the clothes. I started researching Elizabethan outfits and after a few years found the group called the SCA. I joined soon enough. Also, throughout High school I always entered the Tech Competitions in the Theater District Competitions as well as designing and building several shows. I went to college for Theatrical Design , but I found that I just worked better on my own schedule. I didn't like the pressure of doing four shows at once, with not much shop help. After three years I quit and ended up at Jo-ann's Fabrics. At least I get my fabric fix daily and I *don't * have to bring it all home! I still play quite actively in the SCA and I sew costumes for lots of friends that perform in the local Ren faires and in the SCA. I sell "historically inspired" outfits at RenFaires ( costume flavors for the masses...), but I have found myself edging towards more accurate fabrics and styles for myself. This still gives me an outlet for those wonderful color combinations I started with in the first place...... And as to how I got the nickname SewingGoddess... well... I did one small "Midwinter Medieval Festival" in sunny ol' Florida one warm February day. At a Nudist resort. Very interesting. I went with an open mind and with the intent to have a good time that day. Even if I didn't sell any clothing. Was I ever wrong. The nudists bought as much garb in one weekend as I ususally sold at a regular small faire. But they didn't wear complete outfits... more like ... parts thereof. Like I said....very interesting weekend. So I ended up with the nickname SewingGoddess, because I can and Have sold clothing to Nudists. Sewing like a madwoman...another faire this weekend..... Crissy --------------23D40EF22028A3562C8C78A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
 
 
 

Happy New Year!!!I've been lurking on the list for some time now and I've noticed that there are a lot of costumers on it. So just for curiosity where are you all from and why are you interested in historical costume?
 

 

   Welcome and Hello!  I'm going to come out of 'lurk and comment briefly' mode to pipe in my reasons why.....

   To introduce myself, my name is Crissy Brillant.  I started sewing as soon as I was old enough to pick up a needle.   My earliest costume memory is of my mother sewing ALL the costumes for our church's production of Jesus Christ Superstar when I was 5yrs old. I fell in love with all the shiny sparkly bits that were left over that she let me play with. Soon enough I got a toy sewing machine that really sewed, but I wanted to use the "big one " like Mom.  I was told I could use it when I could reach the pedal.  The next day Mom came out to see me at the machine trying to thread it. I had put the pedal up on several encyclopedia volumes so I *could* reach it and I had already wound the bobbin!  At this point she decided it would probably be easier to teach me how to sew rather than argue that I was still too little to use her machine.
     I have always enjoyed playing with color combinations and embellishment options, but as a result I end up with things that are "historically inspired" most times rather than "historically accurate".  I went to my first  Ren faire when I was 14 and fell in love with the clothes. I started researching Elizabethan outfits and after a few years found the group called the SCA. I joined soon enough.   Also, throughout High school I always entered the Tech Competitions in the Theater District Competitions as well as designing and building several shows.
   I went to college for Theatrical Design , but I found that I just worked better on my own schedule. I didn't like the pressure of doing four shows at once, with not much shop help.  After three years I quit and ended up at Jo-ann's Fabrics.  At least I get my fabric fix daily and I *don't * have to bring it all home!
    I still play quite actively in the SCA and I sew costumes for lots of friends that perform in the local Ren faires and in the SCA.  I sell "historically inspired" outfits at RenFaires ( costume flavors for the masses...), but I have found myself edging towards more accurate fabrics and styles for myself.  This still gives me an outlet for those wonderful color combinations I started with in the first place......

And as to how I got the nickname SewingGoddess... well... I did one small "Midwinter Medieval Festival" in sunny ol' Florida one warm February day.  At a Nudist resort.  Very interesting. I went with an open mind and with the intent to have a good time that day. Even if I didn't sell any clothing. Was I ever wrong.  The nudists bought as much garb in one weekend as I ususally sold at a regular small faire.  But they didn't wear complete outfits... more like ... parts thereof.  Like I said....very interesting weekend. So I ended up with the nickname SewingGoddess, because I can and Have sold clothing to Nudists.

Sewing like a madwoman...another faire this weekend.....

Crissy --------------23D40EF22028A3562C8C78A0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 20:39:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32222 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:39:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g022Akd12341; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:10:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g022A0Z15763; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0224PZ14766 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:04:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (A020-0876.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.85.114]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g02258n40940 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:05:09 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c19332$82cceb00$7255fe3f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <3C326668.626A1991@att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C19308.992D7880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:09:28 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C19308.992D7880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So.... does this mean you're going to be at Peasant's Revolt this coming = weekend? Moira ps did you go to Hero of the Chalice this past weekend? Sewing like a madwoman...another faire this weekend..... Crissy ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C19308.992D7880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So.... does this mean you're going to = be at Peasant's Revolt this coming weekend?
Moira
ps did you go to Hero of the Chalice this past weekend?

Sewing like a madwoman...another faire this weekend.....

Crissy

------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C19308.992D7880-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 20:45:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32237 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:45:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g022Gkd12852; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:16:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g022G1Z17099; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g022AIZ15819 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:10:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14247 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:25:58 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Wools and a little silk Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:25:58 -0600 (CST) Status: RO I've just posted a bunch of fabric for sale to the h-cost marketplace list. If you missed out on the discussion of this, you can join at . Or, if you prefer, email me directly and I'll send you a list of what I have available. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 21:27:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32325 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:27:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g022wkd16664; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:58:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g022w0Z26487; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g022quZ25525 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:52:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 81332 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2002 02:53:33 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-94.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.94) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 02:53:33 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c1932f$7db75f40$ac37fea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where we're from and how we got started MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C19305.9442A640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:47:51 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C19305.9442A640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome to the list, Rebecca! There are plenty of fellow costume addicts = here to share your passions. ;-) I am from Southeast Alabama (well, originally from Virginia, but moved = down here this past September). My husband and I do American Civil War = (Confederate) reenacting with our three little boys, and we've also = dabbled in Regency and Colonial reenacting. I started sewing by hand for = my dolls when I was five and on the machine when I was eight. I hated = sewing on the machine and quit doing it when I was ten, swearing I'd = never learn to use patterns or sew for anything larger than an 18" doll! = But when I was 14 and saw "Anne of Green Gables" on television, I begged = my mother to make me dresses like Anne's. She wryly pointed to the = sewing machine, and that's when I determined to conquer it. I've loved = it ever since. I made countless vintage-style outfits for myself before = I ever sewed for others, and I started my own costuming business back in = 1996 when I was married. Now, with three little boys requiring lots of = mommy time, I just make patterns for others and sew for myself and my = family (with occasional exceptions when a project comes along that I = can't resist!). My favorite era to wear is the English Regency, but the = Edwardian era runs a close second. I love reenacting, but I usually end = up frustrated with the yards and yards of material involved in sewing = mid-Victorian fashions. ;-) Right now I am working on a new tailcoat and narrow fall trousers for my = husband for a Regency evening party we'll be attending in February. Then = I'll make a new ballgown for myself. I just finished an 1830s day dress = inspired by one of the outfits in A&E's "Wives and Daughters" = miniseries. I just published a 1940s "Swing" dress pattern that I began = work on in 2001. The next pattern on my drawing board is a 1914 = afternoon dress, and I am currently doing the finishing work on a = Regency spencer/pelisse pattern that I hope to publish this Spring. Again, welcome to the list, and have fun! Cheers, Jennie Chancey - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C19305.9442A640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Welcome to the list, Rebecca! There are = plenty of fellow costume addicts here to share your passions. ;-)
 
I am from Southeast Alabama (well, originally from Virginia, but moved down here this past September). My husband and I do American Civil War (Confederate) reenacting with our three little boys, and we've also dabbled in Regency and Colonial reenacting. I started sewing by hand for my dolls when I was five and on the machine when I was eight. I hated sewing on the machine and quit doing it when I was ten, swearing I'd never learn to use patterns or sew for anything larger than an 18" doll! But when I was 14 and saw "Anne of Green Gables" on television, I begged my mother to make me dresses like Anne's. She wryly pointed to the sewing machine, and that's when I determined to conquer it. I've loved it ever since. I made countless vintage-style outfits for myself before I ever sewed for others, and I started my own costuming business back in 1996 when I was married. Now, with three little boys requiring lots of mommy time, I just make patterns for others and sew for myself and my family (with occasional exceptions when a project comes along that I can't resist!). My favorite era to wear is the English Regency, but the Edwardian era runs a close second. I love reenacting, but I usually end up frustrated with the yards and yards of material involved in sewing mid-Victorian fashions. ;-) =
 
Right now I am working on a new tailcoat and narrow fall trousers for my husband for a Regency evening party we'll be attending in February. Then I'll make a new ballgown for myself. I just finished an 1830s day dress inspired by one of the outfits in A&E's "Wives and Daughters" miniseries. I just published a 1940s "Swing" dress pattern that I began work on in 2001. The next pattern on my drawing board is a 1914 afternoon dress, and I am currently doing the finishing work on a Regency spencer/pelisse pattern that I hope to publish this Spring.
 
Again, welcome to the list, and have fun!
 
Cheers,
Jennie Chancey

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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C19305.9442A640-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 22:12:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32479 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:12:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g023W1d19293; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:32:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g023V0Z03846; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g023UsZ03821 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:30:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2200.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.200]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32283 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:31:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3C327EA5.654F624B@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorcerers vs Philosophers... References: <200112281359.fBSDxiZ28639@net.indra.com> from "h-costume-request@indra.com" at "Dec 28, 2001 06:59:44 am" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:29:42 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. I think the German is the closest to the intended meaning, as the stone in question is intended to turn any base metal into gold. The English usage is generally termed "Philosopher's Stone". I am glad that J.K. Rowling did her homework, and Nicolas Flamel and his wife were included. I knew I was wierd when I knew the answers to all of the questions that Professor Snape asks Harry (the answer to the first question is not Draught of the Living Death, but a vermifuge and antidote against the stings of spiders and scorpions). Don't have any costume content to go with that...Mike T. > Barbara Maren Winkler asks > > > >Oh, another useless question -- when and for whom (England, America, > >Australia, New Zealand?) is it "Harry Potter and the Philosophers' Stone" > >or "Harry Potter and the Sorcerers' Stone", and does any of that have the > >connotations of the German "Stein der Weisen", which was supposed to be > >the ultimate ingredient in alchemy to produce gold, and is proverbial for > >some ultimate good you search but never achieve? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 22:56:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32636 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:56:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g024PJd23171; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:25:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024OHZ14263; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:24:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024CdZ11936 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:12:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g024Dru03227 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:13:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020101221439.02d22e90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <3C31B45C.3030905@post12.tele.dk> References: <106.ae403c8.29622c03@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:17:42 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, Even though, I started it, I consider it the list's community. For those who used the list "invitation" to sign up they don't need my (the community administrator's) approval. However, those who signed up through the site do require approval. So, here is my question. Should people who sign-up (not through "invitation") and don't disclose a name or email be approved? How does everyone feel about that? Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 22:56:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32640 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:56:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g024Qnd23274; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:27:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024PnZ14584; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:25:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024G5Z12683 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:16:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2200.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.200]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10298 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:16:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3C328943.49A9C886@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR - end credits References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011227235326.02448ae0@radiks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 23:14:59 -0500 Status: RO Hi. I believe it was the Maori language, although what it's proper name is, I don't know. I loved the little detail on the boats. The paddles were of a type found in the South Pacific, but I suppose the art director thought they looked Elvish, being leaf shaped and all. Everywhere, John Howe's influence could be seen (Gothic plate on the Ringwraiths, a sweet 15th Cent hand-and-a half sword with byeknife for Aragorn, a great 15th/16th Cent lantern carried by the gatekeeper at Bree, etc.) John and his compatriot Gerry Embleton have one of the best (if not THE best) 15th cent. reenactment groups in the world (The Companie of Saynte George). You can see them on their website http://www.companie-of-st-george.ch/index_1.phtml If you go to the Gallery page, and look at the picture entitled "Swiss in snow above Grandson", you can see John (the guy in the middle). Mike T. (We are not worthy...We are not worthy) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 23:02:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32657 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:02:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g024XUd23845; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:33:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024WiZ16108; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:32:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024MKZ13932 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:22:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2200.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.200]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29629 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:23:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3C328ABA.568C69F0@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR - end credits References: <002201c190f8$db511da0$5030c818@videotron.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 23:21:14 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. The studs on Boromirs tunic looked different and asymmetrical to me. One looked like a diamond, another like a bird. They might have perhaps tried to create different types of spangles of different shapes. they looked to me like the metal fittings from the Sutton Hoo shield, some geometric, some animal based, and the stuff on the sleeves looked to me like embroidery in bullion. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 23:17:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32699 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:17:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g024mld25067; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:48:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024m0Z19235; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024hXZ18342 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:43:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020102044412.GFOG1920.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:44:12 +0000 Message-ID: <061401c19348$1d77bf80$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: <106.ae403c8.29622c03@aol.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20020101221439.02d22e90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:37:30 -0600 Status: RO What is the point of being a part of a community if you do not disclose who you are or how to get a hold of you? My answer is no. No shirt, no shoes, no name, no email, no entrance. Sincerely, Franchesca Havas McKinney, Texas º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 10:17 PM Subject: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list > Greetings, > > Even though, I started it, I consider it the list's community. For those > who used the list "invitation" to sign up they don't need my (the community > administrator's) approval. However, those who signed up through the site > do require approval. So, here is my question. Should people who sign-up > (not through "invitation") and don't disclose a name or email be > approved? How does everyone feel about that? > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 23:23:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32718 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:23:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g024skd25516; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:54:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024s0Z20758; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024rAZ20586 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:53:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumemag.com (co-trinidad1b-237.lbrlks.adelphia.net [24.49.1.237]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24717 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:52:10 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3294EF.78035997@costumemag.com> From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list References: <106.ae403c8.29622c03@aol.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20020101221439.02d22e90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <061401c19348$1d77bf80$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:04:49 -0700 Status: RO I agree. Put up or shut up. MD/Marged Chiara wrote: > > What is the point of being a part of a community if you do not disclose who > you are or how to get a hold of you? > > My answer is no. No shirt, no shoes, no name, no email, no entrance. > > Sincerely, > Franchesca Havas > McKinney, Texas > €º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€Ù _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 23:35:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32744 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:35:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0256ld26205; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:06:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02560Z23299; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0251TZ22328 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:01:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0252hu13242 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:02:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020101230510.00a83880@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list In-Reply-To: <3C3294EF.78035997@costumemag.com> References: <106.ae403c8.29622c03@aol.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20020101221439.02d22e90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <061401c19348$1d77bf80$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0251TZ22328 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 23:06:28 -0600 Status: RO Well that was easy. I happen to agree. I just didn't want to be autocratic about it. The person was declined with a message saying that the community was designed specifically for members of this list. cheers, Danielle At 10:04 PM 1/1/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I agree. Put up or shut up. > >MD/Marged > >Chiara wrote: > > > > What is the point of being a part of a community if you do not disclose who > > you are or how to get a hold of you? > > > > My answer is no. No shirt, no shoes, no name, no email, no entrance. > > > > Sincerely, > > Franchesca Havas > > McKinney, Texas > > €º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€Ù _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 23:52:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00308 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:52:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g025Npd27283; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:23:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g025N5Z26792; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:23:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from commzero.com ([199.246.107.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g025HbZ25597 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:17:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from [199.246.107.30] (HELO mail.commzero.com) by commzero.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 10000817 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:15:44 -0500 Content-type: text/plain From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: Subject: [h-cost] HCostume fabric sell or swap... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:18:50 -0500 Status: RO For those of you who missed the invitation for the communities the first time - here it is again. Cheers, Danielle Your invitation to join: "HCostume fabric sell or swap..." TO JOIN, CLICK HERE: http://www.communityzero.com/hcostume/index.cfm?key=633-RUX After clicking on the above link you will see the community's welcome page. Click the 'JOIN THIS COMMUNITY' link found on the center of the welcome page. Your invitation key is: 633-RUX ---------------------------------------------------------------- If you cannot click on the link, cut and paste the Web address into the "Address" area of your Web browser. Note that the invitation key is NOT your user name. You must select your own user name and password when creating a new account. This is a private and interactive website for the group. Registration is free and your privacy will be respected. You will not receive e-mail SPAM after registration. If you experience problems using the above link, please ensure it was not split into two lines. If so, cut and paste the full Web address into the Web browser's "Address" area. This invitation was sent by Danielle Nunn-Weinberg. CommunityZero by Ramius Corporation ------------------------------------------------------------------ Build your own communities for free today! http://www.communityzero.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 00:05:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00339 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:05:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g025ald28047; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:36:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g025a0Z29723; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g025ZtZ29707 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:35:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC227A70146; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 23:35:30 -0600 Message-ID: <006901c1934e$66e37780$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <0Xb$AEAc5KM8Iw3A@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors 2002 Predictions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:29:02 -0500 Status: RO The Color Marketing group is actually the largest color organization for people in the color related industries. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 00:49:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00421 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:49:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g026Kqd00566; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:20:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026K0Z09116; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026FKZ08179 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:15:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A55438D039E; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:14:44 -0600 Message-ID: <008801c19353$dfa0a3a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3C31D3C6.179A2CAD@in-tch.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Why I got into Costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:07:59 -0500 Status: RO Hi Rebecca and welcome!!!! I have interest in most areas of costume, historic, fantasy, wearable, film, bridal, holiday, and current and futuristic fashion. I do have a special fondness for historic costume, film, and wearable art. I do have favorite areas bustle & 1890s eras and Egyptian. I research color history in fashion and have a blast trying to predict fashion trends. After three decades and having six kids, I finally finished my degree in fashion in 1997 with emphasis in costume design, marketing, and computers. I am a member of Costume Society of America and served (past tense) as their webmaster for three years. I have been sewing since 4 y.o. I got into fashion because of home ec. in 6th grade. I stayed in that study for 6 years. I also took a lot of art and mechanical drawing classes. I got into historic costume study the last time I went back to college. I did my internship in a museum's costume collection... so that really hooked me on historic costume. I got into film costume because I married a film major. I love fantasy costume because I grew up around Mardi Gras. I got hooked on wearable art clothing five years ago at an annual show in Williamsburg, VA. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 00:50:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00431 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:50:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g026Ldd00613; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:21:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026KrZ09289; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:20:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026I2Z08790 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPAS7A00.92P for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:18:46 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020101221439.02d22e90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:15:27 -0800 Status: RO It really is for h-cost members. You should probably post an invitation to the list (as you just did) on a monthly basis or so, because our population is constantly changing. When you returned the "rejection" notice, did you send the h-cost signup address? We don't want to lose good new members just because they're knocking on the back door :) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Danielle Nunn-Weinberg > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 8:18 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for > the list > > > Greetings, > > Even though, I started it, I consider it the list's community. For those > who used the list "invitation" to sign up they don't need my (the community > administrator's) approval. However, those who signed up through the site > do require approval. So, here is my question. Should people who sign-up > (not through "invitation") and don't disclose a name or email be > approved? How does everyone feel about that? > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 00:55:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00452 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:55:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g026Qmd00930; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:26:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026Q1Z10203; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:26:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.sunflower.com (smtp.sunflower.com [24.124.0.128]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026OAZ09851 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from compaq (dv241s77.lawrence.ks.us [24.124.77.241]) by smtp.sunflower.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g026Osv11509 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:24:54 -0600 From: "Margretta de Vries" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Kat and violence in LOTR Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <79.20aeba5d.2962c11c@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:26:00 -0600 Status: RO You know, Tolkien himself said that these books were not, in fact, a metaphor for WWII. I am not sure where the quote is to be found, but I will look. Margretta (delurking) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Azelana@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 1:37 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Kat and violence in LOTR In a message dated 12/31/01 2:34:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << I agree with Margo, however. I didn't care much for it as it was *way* too violent for me. I spent a good portion of the movie (especially in the last part) with my head buried in my husband's shoulder going "are they done fighting yet." However, since it is a cultural icon, I will go see the other two. >> Oh dear! There's going to be a war, ya know... LOTR is a metaphorical account of Tolkien's own emotional experiences of WWII, written into a fantasy story. I'm afraid it will get MUCH more violent. Felt I should warn you. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 00:56:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00456 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:56:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g026Qud00940; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:26:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026Q9Z10241; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:26:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.sunflower.com (smtp.sunflower.com [24.124.0.128]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026OAZ09853 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from compaq (dv241s77.lawrence.ks.us [24.124.77.241]) by smtp.sunflower.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g026Osv11512 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:24:54 -0600 From: "Margretta de Vries" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] new year's needlework resolutions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20011230160017.00cd1840@mail.frys.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:26:01 -0600 Status: RO My needlework resolution is to finish one project every month. I am trying to expand my civil war reenacting wardrobe, and this is the only way it is going to get done! Margretta de Vries deluring (again) in Lawrence, KS -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 6:18 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] new year's needlework resolutions The new year begins Tuesday. One needlework resolution is to finish the macrame purse I should have finished this year for my ship-captain's-wife Dickens' Fair character. I finally got all the string measured out... This character also needs a collar and cuff set, petticoat and drawers and chemise lace, and maybe a breakfast cap, all in crochet. But I don't know if I want to encumber my resolution list with those or not. None of my other historical characters, nor dolls, are screaming for needlework at this moment. (I'm sure they will when I'm in the middle of something else.) Does anyone else have new year's needlework resolutions? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 01:04:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00507 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:04:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g026ZLd01432; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:35:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026YYZ11796; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:34:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026VuZ11302 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:31:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9473EA0268; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:31:35 -0600 Message-ID: <00ff01c19356$2968f760$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3C326668.626A1991@att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FB_01C1932C.3F001A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:24:38 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FB_01C1932C.3F001A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome Crissy!!!! 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------=_NextPart_000_00FB_01C1932C.3F001A60-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 01:31:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00561 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:31:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0272ld02634; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:02:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02720Z16839; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026w3Z16111 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AF6728C0208; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:57:43 -0600 Message-ID: <017c01c19359$c4a7fac0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Please check Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:50:29 -0500 Status: RO If you came to the Costume Classroom and filled out a registration form for a class and you have NOT heard back from me, please go to www.costumeclassroom.com and fill the form out again. We have had some major problems with our form for the past month. We finally have it working properly. Drea's class, 16th Century Women, is very close to filling up and I don't want some of you to miss out on it. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 01:46:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00590 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:46:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g027HJd03166; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:17:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g027GXZ19444; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:16:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0279jZ18374 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:09:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-17-83.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.17.83]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACJ27364; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:10:19 GMT Message-ID: <003f01c1935d$0d938da0$53114ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <004c01c19243$d4e92d80$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Anglo-Saxon burials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:14:00 -0000 Status: RO >I took Ben's first class and LOVED it. Wonderful info! I haven't been able to make anything from it yet except a pair of small brooches, but am itching to get started- on the jewelry, at least as much as the clothing. I loved the wealth of pictures! I make early Anglo Saxon brooches see www.pastclass.com Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 02:31:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21581 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:31:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0282ld04552; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:02:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02820Z27213; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from ajax.cnchost.com (ajax.cnchost.com [207.155.248.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g027vTZ26319 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:57:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (lax9-tgn-lvw-vty12.as.wcom.net [216.193.25.12]) by ajax.cnchost.com id CAA07750; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:58:11 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <200201020637.g026bKZ12339@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] LOTR Costume Detail Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:55:01 -0800 Status: RO Ring Wraith details: Here's a couple of photo of the horsemen not mounted http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/2351 - full shot http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/2207 - 3 quarter, w/ hobbit bed Here they are as the witch king http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/2390 http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/2200 - full shot, little fuzzy The best pictures are in the silly little Insider Guide. There are a couple of photos (well lit) of them at rest where you can even see seam lines Another thing is check out the toys to get an approximation of what the costume is "perceived" to look like. Re: finding black gauze... the fabrics look distressed and over dyed. For a really good look you might try to die it and go for different blackish colors for the layers. Maybe even start with some layers almost close to cheese cloth. (All guesses here.) If you live near a bit city, head for the garment district and look for damaged fabric... you want this dusty, stained, torn, etc. -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 03:07:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21761 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:07:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g028cmd05857; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:38:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g028c0Z03446; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g028XTZ02745 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:33:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-98.frys.com [66.121.20.98]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g028Wbr18066 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:32:37 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020102000923.00aa79b0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <00d901c19309$bedc9380$8755fe3f@ccc> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:40:46 -0800 Status: RO > >> >> I'm presently trying to come up with something beautiful but practical for >> being in a wheelchair and a herald.;-} > Once I saw a book on sewing for wheelchair folks. One thing it suggested was leaving open the seam from waist to hem in back (if the person never walks, this is OK). Another was to always make the fit loose enough that there was no binding, no tight spot, anywhere, especially if they had trouble dressing themselves or with arm motions (I gather you don't have a problem here). My favourite suggestion for wheelchair folks is to decorate the chair itself. This will tend to frame the sitter whatever he/she is wearing. The simplest way is to hang a banner (or a nice piece of cloth) down the back of the chair. Cloth slipcovers for the arms don't hurt the looks either. If you do Renaissance, look at the chairs in Ren. portraits for ideas. (I was at a Science Fiction convention, and someone had decorated her chair like a futuristic transport pod, which went with her space ship uniform.) My housemate will always have to use a chair, and even tho the thing is really high tech and motorized (and cost more than my car did) he still looks really good wearing his evening clothes and sitting in the chair at Dickens' Fair or historical dances. He wears his old Ren. Faire clothes when he goes to Ren. Faire, and so what if the chair isn't period. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 03:55:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16844 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:55:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g029Qmd07842; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:26:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g029Q0Z11477; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g029LiZ10726 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:21:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p462-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.207.208]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id WAA01371 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:22:21 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p462-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.207.208] claimed to be user Message-ID: <005301c1936e$21521e40$d0cfadcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR Costume Details MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:16:13 +1300 Status: RO - <)>> Not too sure, having worn costumes made up by the same people, darts are almost certainly out. All the costumes I wore and saw in the costume rooms at PR were flatlined, and used seams for shaping. We are talking from ancient fantasy(Xena) to 18thC fantasy(JoAT) to furturistic fantasy(Cleo). She did not like darts:). Bias covered cord was used to edge anything boned and fitted and yes, polyboning is about the only thing you can get in NZ (but it's not Rigilene) Grommets are used and a placket sewn to one side of the laced openings. Boned bodices were lined in calico and a double layer for the boning to sit in, then the linings sewn to the fabric (and overlocked) and then seamed together. The cording sewn after this, then hand basted inside. It's how I make my costumes: neater, closer fitting, easily adjustable to size fluctuations and stong.. that's the big thing. Costumes were in wardrobe for several years worn by many people and washed many times, so had to last:) And yes, I was strongly influenced by what I saw in the department. And there was at least one woman with a buttoned front bodice, relatively high curved v neck and in a dullish colour. Reminded me of a riding habit actually. And I loved the waist coats of the male hobbits:). It was exactly what I imagined.. as I thought the desciptions in the book were very "country gentlman in his home" feeling:) michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 04:07:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16955 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:07:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g029cld08153; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:38:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g029c0Z13415; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g029b9Z13306 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:37:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p462-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.207.208]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id WAA02186 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:37:53 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p462-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.207.208] claimed to be user Message-ID: <005401c19370$4cc9d340$d0cfadcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR - end credits -- again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:31:46 +1300 Status: RO > I've been looking on vcarious fan sites and can't find any mention. But they do > say that Maori shamen (or whatever the correct term is) blessed the various > shooting sites, so it may be safe to say it's either a thank you or a blessing > of some kind. Tohunga:) Elder rather than shaman. But it's a thank you to the people (Maori) of New Zealand (Tangata Whenua o Aoteroa) not specific individuals. The blessing is usually to lift a tapu, maybe someone had died on a site (we had a blessing at the Mt Wellington RSA where three people were beaten to death and a women in ICU) and automatically becomes tapu. And there are a lot of sacred sites, ancestors burials etc. A lot of land was taken illegally or by underhand methods in the colonial days, and in recent years it's been attempted to be recified. The Treaty of Waitangi is a veru controversial document as there are several versions ... some say one things some another, definate differences between the maori and english translations. So thanking the Tangata Whenua of the land goes some way to recognising the injustices. Rather than just taking for commerical material gain, it's been properly asked for and thanked. It's only just recently that the majority of Pakeha accepted that there are wrongs to atone for. Or even accept that the word Pakeha does not mean white pig or some derogatory term. aroha michaela Whenua is pronounced fenua, each vaowel pure like italian, wh is only pronounced w in certain parts of NZ.. and then some areas use double vowels... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 05:37:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17285 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:37:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02B8nd11279; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:08:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02B80Z11584; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02B3XZ10630 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:03:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-63.frys.com [66.121.20.63]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g02B2lr19355 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:02:48 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020102030520.01788d10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Why I got into Costume In-Reply-To: <008801c19353$dfa0a3a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> References: <3C31D3C6.179A2CAD@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 03:06:52 -0800 Status: RO I do have favorite >areas bustle & 1890s eras and Egyptian. Egyptian from when? I used to be big into the earlier Dynastic stuff, but now I prefer the later Coptic stuff, especially the weaving, and the 19th century 'ethnic' stuff. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 05:38:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17291 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:38:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02B9Ud11324; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:09:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02B8gZ11683; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:08:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02B3fZ10656 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:03:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-63.frys.com [66.121.20.63]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g02B2jr19352 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:02:46 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020102030114.00920100@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020101221439.02d22e90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> References: <3C31B45C.3030905@post12.tele.dk> <106.ae403c8.29622c03@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 03:02:20 -0800 Status: RO Should people who sign-up >(not through "invitation") and don't disclose a name or email be >approved? How does everyone feel about that? I'd say no to that. They could be collecting addresses for some SPAM list, for all we knew. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 05:46:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17328 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:46:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02BHLd11503; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:17:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02BGXZ13024; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:16:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02BCIZ12306 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:12:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B8CA93A8045 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:13:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <014401c19386$e7338aa0$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: <106.ae403c8.29622c03@aol.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20020101221439.02d22e90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:13:35 -0600 Status: RO We are talking about exchanging either money or fabric here (not sure which is more important!) I would feel funny about sending money to someone who won't even disclose their name or email! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 10:17 PM Subject: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list > Greetings, > > Even though, I started it, I consider it the list's community. For those > who used the list "invitation" to sign up they don't need my (the community > administrator's) approval. However, those who signed up through the site > do require approval. So, here is my question. Should people who sign-up > (not through "invitation") and don't disclose a name or email be > approved? How does everyone feel about that? > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 05:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17332 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:46:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02BHQd11516; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:17:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02BGcZ13049; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:16:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02BCdZ12359 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:12:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCLDS6Y33400D9TU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:15:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCLDS6KDK200C9JF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:15:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:11:03 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:10:50 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:10:43 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: stolen clothes In-reply-to: <200112231023.fBNANZ108955@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1C0861F5540@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:10:43 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > That's terrible! A holiday nightmare! I wish there was something to > be done, but I can only suggest watching all the local consignment > shops for the next 2 months. The thieves will want to make some money > off the venture, and consignment is the pawn shop for fancy clothes. What's a consignment shop? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 07:37:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21799 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:37:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02D8nd15462; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:08:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02D80Z03212; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02D2AZ01437 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:02:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCLHLZ5RHS00CV98@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:04:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.52.12]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCLHLR4JGQ00C9JF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:04:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-CPQ-TEMP1/SpoolDir by mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:00:33 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-CPQ-TEMP1 (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:00:21 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 12:07:56 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR In-reply-to: <200112291904.fBTJ43Z24343@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5B3D5D2746B@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 12:07:56 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > After all the raving, maybe it's time for a different opinion.... > > I was looking forward to LOTR, becasue I've never been able to get > through the books, and I was hoping the movie would show me just what > it is that so many people love about this story. Unfortunately, the > movie took what I didn't like about the books and made it more so. I'm not a great fan of the books - too much long boring description of endless travel through meticulously described countryside which could all be cut and make it one book instead of three and still tell the story. It was a much better read the second time around as I knew which bits were nothing but travelogue and could be skipped without missing them.... I *did* like the film. All except the Elven Bint's dress... I sat there thinking "Surely a powerful elf could come up with something better than white nylon lace with spangles - she looked like she'd just stepped out of a bad 1980's medieval fancy-dress party..... Other than that, I thought it was a wonderfully *lose yourself in the on-screen action* film. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 07:38:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21806 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:38:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02D9Kd15501; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:09:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02D8XZ03332; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:08:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02D2nZ01757 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:02:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCLHMSK90000CV4X@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:05:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.52.12]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCLHMKEF6Y00D0KO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:05:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-CPQ-TEMP1/SpoolDir by mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:01:12 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-CPQ-TEMP1 (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:00:58 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:45:22 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Opps In-reply-to: <200112280120.fBS1KGZ25644@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5B3D8711759@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:45:22 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > Unless you have typical baby-fine northern european hair. Then the > > silky stuff looks stiff next to your own hair. > > Actually, I do have baby fine northern european hair, and it's > extremely difficult to do anything with it at all. I can vouch for that - Stevie's hair has that lovely baby-whispy texture that looks great but must be hell to do anything with. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 07:52:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21850 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:52:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02DNLd16193; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:23:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02DMXZ06307; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:22:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.89]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02DHdZ05377 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:17:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from linda ([24.6.180.44]) by femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020102131825.VDNX6214.femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com@linda> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:18:25 -0800 Message-ID: <005501c19391$62bd5200$2cb40618@vbch1.va.home.com> From: "Linda Rice" To: References: <1C0861F5540@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: stolen clothes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:28:37 -0500 Status: RO Hi Teddy, Happy New Year! A consignment shop is a type of resale shop. If you have an item to sell, but don't want to go through the hassle of advertising it yourself, then a consignment shop will accept the item for sale in their shop. Length of contracts vary, but are usually around 90 days. The one I go to locally starts to mark down after 30 days, and then again at 60 days, trying to move the item. They get a percentage of the sale price for doing virtually all of the work, but it is a really easy way to sell off furniture, better clothing, jewelry, electronics, etc. My local shop carries quite a bit of formal wear, so it's very possible that your stolen costumes may turn up in such a place. Linda ---- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: stolen clothes > What's a consignment shop? > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 08:13:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21912 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:13:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Diod17448; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:44:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Di0Z10510; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02DhoZ10459 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:43:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA07149.; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:51:52 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:44:34 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g02DhoZ10459 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:44:08 +0000 Status: RO I seem to remember reading that Montrose's army (Scots Royalists in the "English" Civil War) on ce fought a battle in a heatwave, when the Highlanders took off their heavy plaids and fought in their shirts with the tails knotted together. I'll see if I can find the reference when I get home. I've also seen a list of clothing issued to English soldiers at this period, including shirts but not drawers, which made me wonder idly whether the common man perhaps didn't wear them? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:14:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22312 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:14:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Eiod21558; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:44:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Ei0Z24030; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EciZ22717 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:38:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.172] (pm5-172.eos.net [205.133.149.172]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21105 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:35:33 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112300025.fBU0PRZ12809@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: sorcerer's stone vs. philosopher's stone Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:33:35 -0500 Status: RO I heard a radio interviewer ask this very question. The answer is not that Americans are too stupid to know what the philosopher's stone is, but that the marketers thought "sorcerer" would sound more exciting to American kids than "philosopher." I have to agree that that's probably true, but I also imagine it's irrelevant, considering the worldwide popularity of the book. The same person being interviewed (I forget who it was) said that the film called "The Madness of King George" in the USA was originally called either "King George III" or "The Madness of King George III" -- British folks, please enlighten us. The US marketers left off the III because they thought Americans would be confused and think it referred to a sequel -- you know, coming after "The Madness of King George II." Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:16:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22397 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:16:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02El7d21697; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:47:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EkJZ25153; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:46:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EhpZ23997 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:43:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA09734.; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:51:55 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:44:37 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g02EhpZ23997 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:44:14 +0000 Status: RO There's no accounting for taste - what I like *best* about the books is the imaginary geography and the adventure story. I read Vol.1 from the library when I was a student about to spend a year abroad, and HAD to buy the omnibus edition to take with me as I couldn't bear not to know what happened next. I know the mythological part was most important to Prof. Tolkien, but personally I find it rather tedious. Costume note; I haven't seen the film yet, but I notice from clips that not much seems to have been made of the hobbits' famous hairy feet. I thought they were supposed to be so thickly furred that the hobbits didn't need to wear shoes or stockings, which must affect the males' choice of legwear? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:21:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22408 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:21:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Eqwd22092; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:52:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Eq2Z26920; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:52:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EltZ25550 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:47:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCLLB2NL5S00D9TU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:50:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.52.12]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCLLB1Y5P2009VJE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:50:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-CPQ-TEMP1/SpoolDir by mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:46:18 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-CPQ-TEMP1 (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:45:44 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:42:12 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] redingote In-reply-to: <200112311348.fBVDmAZ13457@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5B5979A61D4@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:42:12 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > A couple of my friends and I are doing costumes for Costume Con in > 2003. > The gentleman involved is not confident enough to draft his own > pattern, so he wants to know what commercially available pattern is > the most accurate, easiest to use, etc. > the ones on this site: http://www.harriets.com/Colonialmen.htm > > Could you let me know if either of these are any good, or if there are > others he should consider instead? He is looking for a 1740's look > (to match his wife's outfit). I used 47A shown on that site for my red and white brocade coat that was stolen before Christmas. The coat came out OK in the end but the pattern was less than helpful (no instructions for a start), the sizing was "small, medium or large" and there was only one size of sleeves (the largest) which needed several inces cut off both seams in order to make them anywhere near narrow enough for the medium size.... and fitting the sleeve-head to the armhole was a nightmare. The fullness of the skirts, on the other hand, was wonderfully swirly. Just my opinion of it.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:25:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22416 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:25:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Eu7d22421; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:56:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EtJZ28245; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:55:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EltZ25551 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:47:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCLLB2NSOW00DM4M@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:50:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.52.12]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCLLB1Y5P2009VJE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:50:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-CPQ-TEMP1/SpoolDir by mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:46:19 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-CPQ-TEMP1 (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:45:50 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:25:05 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts In-reply-to: <200112310733.fBV7XJZ05375@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5B5980757A7@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:25:05 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I was under the impression a guy wrapped his parts in his shirt tail > and then put the wrapped package into the codpiece. That's what works for me (except it's the front of the shirt not the back "tails"). Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:25:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22420 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:25:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02EuFd22437; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:56:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EtQZ28295; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:55:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from web9803.mail.yahoo.com (web9803.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.213]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g02EopZ26545 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:50:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020102145137.66647.qmail@web9803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.87.134.216] by web9803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:51:37 PST From: Kate To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001d01c1932f$7db75f40$ac37fea9@jchancey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: Where we're from and how we got started Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:51:37 -0800 (PST) Status: RO One of my earliest memories is being in my Gran's NE Ohio home sitting on the floor watching the wheel spin while she worked the treadle on her old Singer sewing machine. It absolutely fascinated me! By the time I was six, I was making my doll clothes--so I began sewing fairly early. My first costume attempt for myself was sometime before I was 10--I tried to make a Little Bo Peep costume by myself. When I was in my early twenties, a friend and I discovered science fiction conventions and fantasy costuming. My first (for her) was a "Pre-Reform Vulcan" that looked more like an escapee from a harem! :-D Much later, after I got married, another friend invited me to come visit her in Germany. Needless to say, I jumped at the chance to go--a free place to stay--I only needed my air fare and spending money! Anyway, she was in the SCA and there was an event going on just about the same time that I arrived, so I needed to bring a gown to wear. I borrowed someone's Known World Handbook and made a gown based on its the instructions (ugly thing too!). She helped me make sleeves for it when I got there. The day of the event (Drachenwald's investiture of a new Prince and Princess), I was stunned by the breathtakingly wonderful clothing I saw--ladies in Cavalier, gentlemen in Landskenect (sp?), Italian Renaissance clothing--that was it, I was hooked! I've been doing 16th century Italian gowns ever since (almost 12 years, now). It gives me a *reason* to collect all of the nifty fabrics that I love so much! :-) Where ever I go, I keep an eye out for appropriate fabric and buy it when I find it. You just never know when you might need 10 yards of deep green brocade! The gown that I made for my first SCA event lives on and is worn occasionally by a friend of mine...It's an olive-y green silk blend that will never die! ;-D If I weren't in the SCA I'd still make costumes of some kind, even if they weren't for real people. I make cloth dolls that look like children and love to dress them in period styles of clothing (ranging from the Renaissance to Edwardian mostly). I've only made a few in recent years, but I still have the patterns and hope to find the time to make more of my "kids" when I graduate in a couple of years (computer science and technology). Kate __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:28:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22431 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:28:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Exmd22799; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:59:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Ex0Z29619; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EqaZ27113 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:52:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.172] (pm5-172.eos.net [205.133.149.172]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25410 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:49:27 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112311902.fBVJ2eZ07125@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re:LOTR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:47:01 -0500 Status: RO I didn't think Galadriel's dress was made of lace fabric. It was pretty huge up there on the screen, and it looked like a sort of beaded gauze scarf from India that I used to have and love. It hung like gauze, anyway, not like lace. My particular scarf had spangly things glued to it, or maybe glittery things in the glue, but this might have been actually hand-beaded, of course. And Boromir's cote seemed to be made of an Indian sari fabric to me. I also wouldn't call it Pre-Raphaelite in style. It was much simpler even than that -- the P-Rs liked smocking and other details. Some of the other costumes, however, had that influence. I enjoyed the costumes very much, even if I did't care for them all personally. What a nice job everyone did. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:31:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22450 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:31:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02F2Vd23060; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:02:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02F1hZ00901; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:01:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.19]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EvfZ29116 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:57:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from linda ([24.6.180.44]) by femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020102145828.JMOM4569.femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com@linda> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:58:28 -0800 Message-ID: <001301c1939f$558d6ee0$2cb40618@vbch1.va.home.com> From: "Linda Rice" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:08:28 -0500 Status: RO The hairy feet were there, and they looked great. None of the men hobbits were wearing any kind of footwear and the pant legs were of the "highwater" style. I remember reading an interview with Elijah Wood, he said that the prosthetics were a pain, they kept coming off at all the wrong times. With all the action that the hobbits did, from running, climbing, swordfighting and even swimming, I don't think I ever saw them not look like they were real. I guess that's just the magic of post-production work. Linda Virginia Beach, Va. USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR > Costume note; I haven't seen the film yet, but I notice from clips that not much seems to have been made of the hobbits' famous hairy feet. I thought they were supposed to be so thickly furred that the hobbits didn't need to wear shoes or stockings, which must affect the males' choice of legwear? > > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:43:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22543 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:43:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02FELd23992; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:14:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02FDXZ06249; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:13:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02F6OZ02919 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:06:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA10619.; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:14:28 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:07:10 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: sorcerer's stone vs. philosopher's stone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g02F6OZ02919 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:06:48 +0000 Status: RO Alan Bennett's play is called "The madness of George III". According to www.snopes2.com, the reason for the change of title for the film was not so much the oft-quoted "people would think it was a sequel", as a perceived need to add the word "King" for the benefit of American audiences. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> gailscott@eos.net 01/02/02 02:33pm >>> I heard a radio interviewer ask this very question. The answer is not that Americans are too stupid to know what the philosopher's stone is, but that the marketers thought "sorcerer" would sound more exciting to American kids than "philosopher." I have to agree that that's probably true, but I also imagine it's irrelevant, considering the worldwide popularity of the book. The same person being interviewed (I forget who it was) said that the film called "The Madness of King George" in the USA was originally called either "King George III" or "The Madness of King George III" -- British folks, please enlighten us. The US marketers left off the III because they thought Americans would be confused and think it referred to a sequel -- you know, coming after "The Madness of King George II." Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:46:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22559 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:46:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02FHnd24276; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:17:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02FH0Z08097; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02FEMZ06692 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:14:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCLM8SV2DS00D9TU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:17:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.52.12]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCLM8SC6DK00DFXT@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:17:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-CPQ-TEMP1/SpoolDir by mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:12:44 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-CPQ-TEMP1 (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:12:29 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:53:16 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR - Elvish and costumes In-reply-to: <200112311902.fBVJ2qZ07210@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5B609AF4C78@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:53:16 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > when Galadriel first descends the stairs to meet the travelers -- > all bright, shimmery and opalescent. Yummy! Sorry to disagree - but I thought it looked cheap and tacky.... it was the one jarring part of the entire film for me (I got elbowed by the person sitting next to me for squeaking, "Ugh! Nylon lace!!") Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 10:17:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22781 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:17:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Flud28007; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:47:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Fl7Z22455; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:47:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02FghZ20120 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:42:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCLN7ZQG2800D9TU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:45:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.52.12]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCLN7ZFTOE009VJE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:45:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-CPQ-TEMP1/SpoolDir by mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:41:06 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-CPQ-TEMP1 (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:40:51 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:20:01 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question In-reply-to: <200201020637.g026bQZ12351@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5B682C43924@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:20:01 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > Even though, I started it, I consider it the list's community. For > > those who used the list "invitation" to sign up they don't need my > > (the community administrator's) approval. However, those who signed > > up through the site do require approval. I wouldn't be able to register at all as Surname is a required field and I don't have one. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 10:58:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23080 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:58:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02GTod03479; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:29:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02GT1Z11654; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02GStZ11606 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:28:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A5348F60146; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 10:28:36 -0600 Message-ID: <006201c193a6$872b4a60$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3C31D3C6.179A2CAD@in-tch.com> <4.1.20020102030520.01788d10@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Why I got into Costume X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:59:47 -0500 Status: RO Kayta, My interest is very broad over the entire culture. My husband has traveled all over Egypt. For our 30 wedding anniversary, we are planning to stay in Egypt for a month. Since we are only at our 23rd year presently, we have a lot of time for planning. Did you see the four hour special on A&E last night about the pharaohs? If you did, do you have any opinions of the show? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 11:10:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23145 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:10:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Gfnd05180; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:41:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Gf0Z17246; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02GeLZ16909 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:40:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17610 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:56:07 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question In-Reply-To: <5B682C43924@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:56:07 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Teddy wrote: > I wouldn't be able to register at all as Surname is a required field > and I don't have one. Maybe, for the purposes of the list, you could use Evilbunny? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 11:52:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23402 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:52:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02HNnd10624; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:23:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02HN0Z07490; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02HI1Z05121 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.5.1) with ESMTP id g02HIlU03493 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:18:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102084246.00a769f0@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors 2002 Predictions In-Reply-To: <0Xb$AEAc5KM8Iw3A@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> References: <018801c1910d$70ea7320$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_4008359==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:20:35 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_4008359==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ever looked for a deep blue shirt in what appears to be a sea of the same french blue shirt? Ever walked through a mall looking for a certain item in a certain color and noticed that every seems to have the variations on the same garment but not in the color you wanted? When I was in school and I had to designs lines or groups, these books were essential! These subscriptions sell for thousands. I was lucky in that I had free access to these during my school days. But when I graduated and began really designing for a living (not costumes), I really felt out of the loop if the company I worked for didn't have them available. If you work for a larger garment producer, they will have all these volumes in their design libraries. Trust me, when you have to spec out lines 18 months in advance, you really love these services. There are similar subscription services for silhouettes and fabric trends, along with just the color forecasts. These are forecasted out 2 years in advance in quarterly segments. Now not everyone follows these forecasts exactly. Sometimes a designer will add color options into a line that were nothing near the forecasted colors. This is a calculated risk. If everyone is doing chinese red turtlenecks and you offer the only deep eggplant turtleneck out there (provided the costing points are relatively the same), you should see a nice rise in sales. Or you'll end up with a ton of these turtlenecks going to outlets, whence the calculated risk. There are lots of ways the calculated risk can pay off besides increased sales of one item but I'll leave all that to the merchandising folks. At 06:28 PM 12/31/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Are these people related to wine critics? "A multicultural red" ..." a >hueful neutral" Do you think we'll be able to tell them from western >imperialist red and light grey? > >Jean > > >Overall, Color Directions for 2002 are fresh and clean, > >yet the colors are fascinatingly adaptable. Hues are ambiguous > >with mixed undertones that allow them to cross color families > >without being wholly defined by one. Gwyn Carnegie University of California, Davis --=====================_4008359==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Ever looked for a deep blue shirt in what appears to be a sea of the same french blue shirt? Ever walked through a mall looking for a certain item in a certain color and noticed that every seems to have the variations on the same garment but not in the color you wanted?

When I was in school and I had to designs lines or groups, these books were essential!  These subscriptions sell for thousands.  I was lucky in that I had free access to these during my school days. But when I graduated and began really designing for a living (not costumes),  I really felt out of the loop if the company I worked for didn't have them available.  If you work for a larger garment producer, they will have all these volumes in their design libraries.  Trust me, when you have to spec out lines 18 months in advance, you really love these services.

There are similar subscription services for silhouettes and fabric trends, along with just the color forecasts.  These are forecasted out 2 years in advance in quarterly segments. 

Now not everyone follows these forecasts exactly.  Sometimes a designer will add color options into a line that were nothing near the forecasted colors.  This is a calculated risk.  If everyone is doing chinese red turtlenecks and you offer the only deep eggplant turtleneck out there (provided the costing points are relatively the same), you should see a nice rise in sales.  Or you'll end up with a ton of these turtlenecks going to outlets, whence the calculated risk.  There are lots of ways the calculated risk can pay off besides increased sales of one item but I'll leave all that to the merchandising folks.

At 06:28 PM 12/31/2001 +0000, you wrote:
Are these people related to wine critics?  "A multicultural red" ..." a
hueful neutral"  Do you think we'll be able to tell them from western
imperialist red and light grey?

Jean

>Overall, Color Directions for 2002 are fresh and clean,
>yet the colors are fascinatingly adaptable. Hues are ambiguous
>with mixed undertones that allow them to cross color families
>without being wholly defined by one.

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California, Davis
--=====================_4008359==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 12:05:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23479 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:05:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Hand12408; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:36:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Ha0Z14478; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02HV6Z12088 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:31:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.44.18c5e0dd (4256) for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:31:49 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <44.18c5e0dd.29649e05@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_44.18c5e0dd.29649e05_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:31:49 EST Status: RO --part1_44.18c5e0dd.29649e05_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Somehow I missed out on the original and didn't get signed up (at least I don't think I did) and now they are making me go through the whole application thing. I did it, but have not been "approved" yet. What a bummer. If I am not approved I will just forget it. Does that tell you how us "outsiders" feel? Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_44.18c5e0dd.29649e05_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Somehow I missed out on the original and didn't get signed up (at least I don't think I did) and now they are making me go through the whole application thing.  I did it, but have not been "approved" yet.  What a bummer.  If I am not approved I will just forget it.  Does that tell you how us "outsiders" feel?

Lalah
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--part1_44.18c5e0dd.29649e05_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 12:08:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23483 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:08:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Hdhd12985; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:39:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02HcsZ15989; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:38:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02HWSZ12700 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:32:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.166.688b00c (4256) for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:33:04 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <166.688b00c.29649e4f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_166.688b00c.29649e4f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:33:03 EST Status: RO --part1_166.688b00c.29649e4f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/1/02 11:49:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, chiara@io.com writes: > My answer is no. No shirt, no shoes, no name, no email, no entrance. > You might want to add to that NO SPAM Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_166.688b00c.29649e4f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/1/02 11:49:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, chiara@io.com writes:


My answer is no. No shirt, no shoes, no name, no email, no entrance.

      You might want to add to that NO SPAM

Lalah
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Looking for a great gift?  Check out Beary Classy Bears at
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--part1_166.688b00c.29649e4f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 13:22:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23960 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:22:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Ir0d23484; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Iq0Z24198; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02IpXZ23974 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:51:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p150.directcon.net [209.233.107.150]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14387 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:51:40 -0800 Message-Id: <200201021851.KAA14387@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:51:40 -0800 Status: RO At 02:25 PM 01/02/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >> I was under the impression a guy wrapped his parts in his shirt tail >> and then put the wrapped package into the codpiece. > >That's what works for me (except it's the front of the shirt not the >back "tails"). Okay, this brings up a new set of questions. Those who do not enjoy explicit discussions of anatomical detail may wish to move on... (Move along, you lot. Nothing here you want to see...) In looking at the codpieces in Arnold, I'm confused as to their functionality. Yes, they look as if they could contain the genitals, but the center front openings of the slops appear to meet behind them. What's happening here? Wouldn't things get...pinched? Also, the one codpiece we see the inside of shows a nicely padded circular bit. Oh heavens, there is no ladylike way to ask this question....does just the penis go in the codpiece or is it somehow supposed to hold the scrotum as well? And just how does one accomplish that wrapping the shirt tail around it first bit? Sorry for the graphic nature of this post, but the question's been bugging me ever since I fiest saw the book. What that says about me, I don't think I want to know.... Margo (Blushing) Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 14:16:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24248 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:16:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Jl0d01293; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02JkAZ20991; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:46:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.wireweb.net ([64.243.192.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02JWjZ14872 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:32:46 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200201021328.AA698679576@mail.wireweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Cynthia Bucheger" X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts X-Mailer: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:28:11 -0600 Status: RO >In looking at the codpieces in Arnold, I'm confused as to their >functionality. Yes, they look as if they could contain the genitals, but >the center front openings of the slops appear to meet behind them. What's >happening here? Wouldn't things get...pinched? > >Also, the one codpiece we see the inside of shows a nicely padded circular >bit. Oh heavens, there is no ladylike way to ask this question....does just >the penis go in the codpiece or is it somehow supposed to hold the scrotum >as well? Okay, I don't have the right plumbing to really answer this with any real authority, but I have heard stories that that pocket behind the codpiece was just that, a pocket, to put stuff, like coins, etc, not one's uhm-person. I have always understood that the codpiece was just a cover of the split in the slops, since early in the tudor period they weren't using buttons. Alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 14:21:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24343 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:21:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Jppd01920; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:51:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Jp2Z23377; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02JmMZ21926 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:48:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA21085 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:49:10 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Maura's LOTR commentary In-Reply-To: <94.1f2a8308.2962b3fe@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:49:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 Azelana@aol.com wrote: > Yes! 50 meters! And my fiance' wants me to make him that costume! The > price may just kill me. Anyone know where I can get black guaze real cheap? > Also, it seemed to me that I'd have to make it shorter if he won't be > mounted, since there'd be cloth trailing all over the floor. I also make > carved boiled leather armor, so he wants me to replicate the plate armor of > the King of the Nazgul. (I do chainmail too sometimes.) I'm wondering what > other small requests he'll be making of me...LOL Sounds like it's time for him to learn to sew / make leather armor / make chain mail! ;D -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 14:36:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24470 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:36:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02K6pd03841; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:06:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02K61Z00705; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02K4GZ29721 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:04:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA23492 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:05:03 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] HCostume fabric sell or swap... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:05:02 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Will joining this community mean I get deluged with tons of spam? -- Mara On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > For those of you who missed the invitation for the > communities the first time - here it is again. > > Cheers, > Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 14:42:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24548 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:42:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02KDod04844; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:13:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02KD1Z03818; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hagbard.io.com (IDENT:root@hagbard.io.com [199.170.88.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02KCeZ03650 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:12:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (chiara@localhost) by hagbard.io.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g02KDJM04655 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:13:19 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: hagbard.io.com: chiara owned process doing -bs From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] HCostume fabric sell or swap... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:13:19 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Ya know. I opened my mail this morning and expected a lot of spam and got none. BUT my alternate email address got spammed out of h - e - double sticks! :( -- Sincerely, Chiara Francesca chiara@io.com On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: Will joining this community mean I get deluged with tons of spam? -- Mara On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > For those of you who missed the invitation for the > communities the first time - here it is again. > > Cheers, > Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 15:04:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24705 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:04:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02KYud07731; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:34:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02KY1Z14268; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02KX8Z13889 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:33:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Ls5C-000O8a-0A for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:33:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1LI$3EAS42M8IwWZ@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts - intimate details In-Reply-To: <200201021851.KAA14387@artemis.directcon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:31:14 +0000 Status: RO Lady, you need to find you a man :-) I'm more familiar with earlier codpieces than Elizabethan, but as far as I'm aware, they don't really contain the genitals, they just hide the gap. In some cases, the hose really are open in a V at the centre front, so the codpiece is the only thing preserving his modesty (thus the need for shirt or underwear). In other styles, the hose / slops are closed and the codpiece is mostly decorative, maybe functional just because the closure could gape when he moves. The fancy, puffed, elephant trunks etc are just advertising and are stuffed with padding, not with ... him. I think one of the reasons codpieces developed is that hose were tied to the doublet. You can't make a fully closed front without it crossing, and then you would have to untie it from the doublet to open it, which is a pain. The codpiece is separately laced to the top of the hose, not the doublet, so it's easy to let down. I love the idea of wrapping it in his shirt tail, I have a picture of wrapping it up like fish and chips! JEan In message <200201021851.KAA14387@artemis.directcon.net>, Margo@Margospatterns.com writes >At 02:25 PM 01/02/2002 +0000, you wrote: >> >>> I was under the impression a guy wrapped his parts in his shirt tail >>> and then put the wrapped package into the codpiece. >> >>That's what works for me (except it's the front of the shirt not the >>back "tails"). > > >Okay, this brings up a new set of questions. Those who do not enjoy >explicit discussions of anatomical detail may wish to move on... > >(Move along, you lot. Nothing here you want to see...) > > > >In looking at the codpieces in Arnold, I'm confused as to their >functionality. Yes, they look as if they could contain the genitals, but >the center front openings of the slops appear to meet behind them. What's >happening here? Wouldn't things get...pinched? > >Also, the one codpiece we see the inside of shows a nicely padded circular >bit. Oh heavens, there is no ladylike way to ask this question....does just >the penis go in the codpiece or is it somehow supposed to hold the scrotum >as well? > >And just how does one accomplish that wrapping the shirt tail around it >first bit? > > >Sorry for the graphic nature of this post, but the question's been bugging >me ever since I fiest saw the book. What that says about me, I don't think I >want to know.... > >Margo > >(Blushing) > > >Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns >margospatterns.com -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 15:14:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24757 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:14:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Kiqd09191; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:44:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Ki1Z19308; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f146.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.146]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Kg2Z18373 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:42:45 -0800 Received: from 32.103.32.77 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:42:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.103.32.77] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wools and a little silk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2002 20:42:45.0643 (UTC) FILETIME=[08646DB0:01C193CE] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 12:42:45 -0800 Status: RO I just added an unfinished elizabethan outfit that desperately needs a loving home. I spent tons of time on it only to find it wont quite fit even without the extra 20lbs I've added since cutting it out. I just want a little materials money for it since it isn't completely finished(undergarments) but I'm a compulsive and wont make one the right size with this floating in my shop. I will take pics if anyone is interested. Jennifer Sena stant Designs "mystash" >From: Robin Netherton >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: Historic Costume List >Subject: [h-cost] Wools and a little silk >Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:25:58 -0600 (CST) > > >I've just posted a bunch of fabric for sale to the h-cost marketplace >list. If you missed out on the discussion of this, you can join at >. Or, if you prefer, email me >directly and I'll send you a list of what I have available. > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 15:20:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24806 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:20:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Kopd09844; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:50:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Ko1Z22202; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldaccessnet.com (bluedot.worldaccessnet.com [207.14.97.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g02KmlZ21613 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:48:48 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 27912 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 20:53:46 -0000 Received: from max4-21.worldaccessnet.com (HELO premiombquant) (207.14.99.73) by mail.worldaccessnet.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 20:53:46 -0000 Message-ID: <008201c193d0$2a16c320$89a0fea9@premiombquant> From: "Sidne Kneeland" To: "historic costume" , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01C1938D.1A69D5E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] masked ball costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:57:58 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C1938D.1A69D5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, For anybody in the Portland area, there is going to be a masked ball at = the Art Museum. Since I have never been so brave as to go there, what = recommendations does anybody have for myself and my spouse to wear? I = probably would need to make these costumes myself (Value Village = curtains here I come). Are these supposed to be masks that are affixed with elastic things or = those carry-on-a-stick variety? ANY HELP? Thanks, Sidne/ In the SCA, Estrelda ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C1938D.1A69D5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,
 
For anybody in the Portland area, there is going to = be a masked ball at the Art Museum.  Since I have never been so brave as = to go there, what recommendations does anybody have for myself and my spouse = to wear?  I probably would need to make these costumes myself (Value = Village curtains here I come). 
 
Are these supposed to be masks that are affixed with = elastic things or those carry-on-a-stick variety? 
 
ANY HELP? 
 
Thanks,
 
Sidne/
In the SCA, Estrelda
------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C1938D.1A69D5E0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 15:29:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24834 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:29:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Kxpd11112; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:59:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Kx0Z26633; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe61.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02KwMZ26320 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:58:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:59:04 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [128.95.177.85] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] masked ball costume From: Cruiskeen To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008201c193d0$2a16c320$89a0fea9@premiombquant> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2002 20:59:04.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FCDE9E0:01C193D0] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 12:59:03 -0800 Status: RO I heard that the ball was for members at the $150 level only... is that not true or are you a big museum donor? Or is this a different event-- please tell. > From: "Sidne Kneeland" > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:57:58 -0800 > To: "historic costume" , > > Subject: [h-cost] masked ball costume > > Greetings, > > For anybody in the Portland area, there is going to be a masked ball at the > Art Museum. Since I have never been so brave as to go there, what > recommendations does anybody have for myself and my spouse to wear? I > probably would need to make these costumes myself (Value Village curtains here > I come). > > Are these supposed to be masks that are affixed with elastic things or those > carry-on-a-stick variety? > > ANY HELP? > > Thanks, > > Sidne/ > In the SCA, Estrelda > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:48:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30030 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:48:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037ITd21498; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:18:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037I2u03596; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:18:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01f.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.236]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g02LSeu03684 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:28:40 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10875 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 21:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.194.102]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Jan 2002 21:21:54 -0000 Message-ID: <00ee01c193d3$97f6c900$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <008201c193d0$2a16c320$89a0fea9@premiombquant> Subject: Re: [h-cost] masked ball costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C193A9.AEB2E400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:22:33 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C193A9.AEB2E400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Portland Maine or Portland Oregon? or another state yet? I could go to Portland Maine. Rowena ----- Original Message ----- From: Sidne Kneeland To: historic costume ; KitchenPicnicTable@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] masked ball costume Greetings, For anybody in the Portland area, there is going to be a masked ball = at the Art Museum. Since I have never been so brave as to go there, = what recommendations does anybody have for myself and my spouse to wear? = I probably would need to make these costumes myself (Value Village = curtains here I come). Are these supposed to be masks that are affixed with elastic things or = those carry-on-a-stick variety? ANY HELP? Thanks, Sidne/ In the SCA, Estrelda ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C193A9.AEB2E400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Portland Maine or Portland = Oregon?  or another state yet?
I could go to Portland = Maine.
Rowena
 ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C193A9.AEB2E400-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:50:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30034 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:50:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037KRd21580; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:20:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037KMu04115; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:20:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Ldou10024 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:39:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-23-240.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.23.240]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACR11268; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:39:43 GMT Message-ID: <01ab01c193d6$828938c0$e8294ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "LIST H costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Mano Mexican jacket Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:43:25 -0000 Status: RO Remember the mexican jacket I was looking for a pattern for ? Well I made it ! Unfortunatly my reched son has grown since I started it so I'm putting it up at auction so I can buy more leather !! Thought you might like to see it b4 it goes ! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1685307526 Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:53:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30043 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:53:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037Nid21690; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:23:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Ncu04876; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:23:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Maqu10610 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:36:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from chris (dialup-a1-357.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [202.45.97.103]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g02ManD40391 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:36:50 +1100 (EST) From: "Christopher Ballis" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Loonie King George the Threeth Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:38:37 +1100 Status: RO the film called "The Madness of King George" in the USA was originally called either "King George III" or "The Madness of King George III" The US marketers left off the III because they thought Americans would be confused and think it referred to a sequel Yep, the sequel fear is true. The film is based upon a play called The Madness of King George III, -C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:54:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30047 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:54:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037Opd21817; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:24:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Oju05231; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:24:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g030EAu01067 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:14:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19992 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:29:06 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] HCostume fabric sell or swap... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:29:06 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > Will joining this community mean I get deluged with tons of spam? I haven't had a noticeable influx. Also, it's not a mailing list. I chose the option to get a weekly update on what's been posted to the site, and I read messages on the site. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:54:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30051 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:54:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037P1d21825; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Ovu05277; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:24:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx1.famvid.com (a.mx.famvid.com [208.16.68.101] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g030OAu04888 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 964 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 00:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jeanne) (207.40.100.33) by mx1.famvid.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 00:26:03 -0000 Message-ID: <054f01c193ec$c3418320$4905fea9@jeanne> From: "Jeanne Harney" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] A different perspective on LOTR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:22:42 -0500 Status: RO Well, I have issues with blood and gore and ick. I know that. It cost me $304.28 plus admission price to see "Raiders of the Lost Ark" as that's what the ambulance cost after I passed out. So...even though I'd been warned, by people who know my tolerance and love me, I went off to see LOTR yesterday. I didn't pass out. However, I left the theatre twice to throw up, and continued doing so for about 2 hours after the movie. I can't tell you many costume details, because I was pretty miserable and my head was buried in my husband's chest. We were with a group, and we drove another couple, so leaving wasn't in the picture, darn it. I'm HORRIBLY upset with myself. I was dumb. But I'd been waiting *30* years for someone to do the movies right... Somehow I don't think the 2 sequels are in my future. Jeanne hating that she's a wimp. "English doesn't borrow from other languages - English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar." -- Anonymous _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:54:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30055 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:54:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037P9d21841; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037P4u05314; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g030tou15638 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:55:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p699-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.194.191]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id NAA11644 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:55:43 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host p699-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.194.191] claimed to be user Message-ID: <005b01c193f0$84f0eb20$bfc2adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:49:35 +1300 Status: RO > I didn't think Galadriel's dress was made of lace fabric. It was pretty huge > up there on the screen, and it looked like a sort of beaded gauze scarf from > India that I used to have and love. It hung like gauze, anyway, not like > lace You are right, it was not lace. I have no idea how anyone could think that. What I did notice was the wide seam allowances as the light shone through the fabric. I thought the raised areas were beaded. http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/1019 I'm certain that the fabric will be a silk too, we are talking about a bloody expensive film;) > I also wouldn't call it Pre-Raphaelite in style. It was much simpler even > than that -- the P-Rs liked smocking and other details. Some of the other > costumes, however, had that influence. It looked like aethetic dress of the very early 20thC, it was influenced by the PRB, but was a lot simpler:), and being of a lter era had other influences too. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:54:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30059 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:54:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037PJd21859; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037PEu05359; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g031DGu21212 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:13:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.52.145.205.dlls.grid.net ([63.52.145.205] helo=earthlink.net) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16LwRY-0000lB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:13:17 -0800 Message-ID: <3C33B020.5A0F831E@earthlink.net> From: Magdalena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts References: <200201021851.KAA14387@artemis.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 19:13:04 -0600 Status: RO Margo@Margospatterns.com wrote: > Oh heavens, there is no ladylike way to ask this question.... > Margo, I'm obviously not a guy, but from the period literature, etc, I think we can assume that the codpiece is purely decorative. I mean, if a guy can remove an orange from his codpiece at the theatre, I really, really doubt that there is anything else squished into the codpiece with it. -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:55:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30067 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:55:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037PYd21905; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037PQu05408; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g031GNu22228 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:16:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip182.vanc9.pacifier.com [66.43.2.182]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g031Fbe07844 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:15:38 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor hood Message-ID: <3C3341A9.9432.215523@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.1.20020101105737.01795ba0@mail.frys.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:21:45 -0800 Status: RO > P.S. How does one make a Tudor style gable hood? I've looked at a lot of pics > and I'm totaly stumped. In case she doesn't speak up, one of the best hood methods I've seen so far is done by Jean Waddie. http://www.montgomerie.demon.co.uk/enghood/enghood1.htm Have fun! Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:55:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30071 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:55:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037Phd21933; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Pbu05469; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g031X6u27961 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:33:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.52.145.205.dlls.grid.net ([63.52.145.205] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Lwkg-0003Jp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:33:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3C33B4C2.8D5D49F2@earthlink.net> From: Magdalena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-cost: Wearing 16th Century Shirts References: <200112270112.RAA29874@artemis.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 19:32:51 -0600 Status: RO Margo@Margospatterns.com wrote: > I've drafted a pattern based on the 1585-1600 shirt in the Museum > of Costume at Bath, as shown in the Janet Arnold shirts and smocks article. > So, I'm curious. Did you draft one with neck gussets, or without? I've been researching and playing with period shirts for a while now, and I've come to the conclusion that I like ones with neck gussets much better. They seem to have been made both with and without, but I find that the neck gusset eliminates pulling and makes gathering to the neckband much easier. What's your experience? I'm recreating the blackworked shirt from the diagram right now. The spot motifs are in QEW, so I've got the whole thing to scale even. It's been lots of fun. ;> > > Can anyone steer me toward documentation for these practices, either written > or (oh please!) pictorial? I'd also be interested in hearing from men > who've worn their shirts this way. > My SO finds it uncomfortable. BTW, at least part of the reason for the length is that shorter shirts pull out easily. The first period length shirt I made him was an experiment made from an old holey sheet, and now I have had to add strips to all his other shirts, because he won't wear them anymore otherwise. ;> I think I have a bit about how shirts were worn somewhere. Now I just need to dig through my stuff and find it.... In case you would like to see it, my half finished site is at: http://home.earthlink.net/~magdlena/shirt/index.html Now the Christmas is over, I hope to have it completed by the end of January. -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:56:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30076 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:56:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037Qvd21994; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:26:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Qqu05711; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:26:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g031dSu29943 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:39:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.130] (as3-4-144.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.130]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g031dOq13243 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:39:25 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006901c1934e$66e37780$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> References: <0Xb$AEAc5KM8Iw3A@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> <006901c1934e$66e37780$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors 2002 Predictions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:43:13 -0800 Status: RO At 12:29 AM -0500 1/2/02, Penny Ladnier wrote: >The Color Marketing group is actually the largest color organization for >people in the color related industries. I'm thinking of forwarding that link to some linguists I know who work on the linguistics of color terms. One of the interesting trends you see historically is that an increase in common color words in a language (that is, words that people think of as "ordinary" words for colors, rather than ad hoc descriptions) goes hand in hand with the "marketing" of a wider variety of stable and reproducible manufactured colors for objects. One of the more significant "explosions" in color words in European languages seems to have paralleled the growth of a medieval cloth industry that involved regular, long-distance trade in dyed cloth. It doesn't seem to have been so much the ability to reliably produce particular colors and shades, but the desire to be able to label these different colors and shades for commercial purposes. In which case, the Color Marketing group is simply the ridiculous extreme of a long historic process. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:56:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30080 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:56:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037RBd22018; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:27:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037R3u05766; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g031qTu03799 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:52:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.137] (pm4-137.eos.net [205.133.149.137]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27486; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:48:34 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201021455.g02EtBZ28185@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: LOTR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:45:51 -0500 Status: RO LOTR was indeed not a fictional account of Tolkien's experiences in WWII. For one thing, he wasn't in WWII (fighting, anyway -- he was certainly in England during WWII). And anyway, he wrote it and all his other related stuff during most of his adult life. While any author's works can fairly be said to be influenced by his/her experiences, LOTR isn't about WWII or WWI. If it's "about" anything, it's simply making up a new epic and turning it into a novel. The man knew every epic that ever was backwards and forwards, all he had to do was pick up a pen and epic stuff just flowed out. Personally, I love these books and I think the man was an amazing writer. I am on tenterhooks to see how the movies handle the coming epic battles -- the Riders of Rohan and the seige of Mordor -- and particularly the deaths of Theoden and Denethor. But if you don't like them, well, then, you don't like them. Nothing we have to argue about, surely? There's a lot of costume stuff to talk about from the movie, let's stick to that. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:56:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30084 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:56:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037RKd22028; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:27:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037RFu05818; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:27:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g031qUu03807 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:52:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.137] (pm4-137.eos.net [205.133.149.137]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27486; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:48:34 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201021455.g02EtBZ28185@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: LOTR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:45:51 -0500 Status: RO LOTR was indeed not a fictional account of Tolkien's experiences in WWII. For one thing, he wasn't in WWII (fighting, anyway -- he was certainly in England during WWII). And anyway, he wrote it and all his other related stuff during most of his adult life. While any author's works can fairly be said to be influenced by his/her experiences, LOTR isn't about WWII or WWI. If it's "about" anything, it's simply making up a new epic and turning it into a novel. The man knew every epic that ever was backwards and forwards, all he had to do was pick up a pen and epic stuff just flowed out. Personally, I love these books and I think the man was an amazing writer. I am on tenterhooks to see how the movies handle the coming epic battles -- the Riders of Rohan and the seige of Mordor -- and particularly the deaths of Theoden and Denethor. But if you don't like them, well, then, you don't like them. Nothing we have to argue about, surely? There's a lot of costume stuff to talk about from the movie, let's stick to that. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:57:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30088 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:57:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037RTd22050; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:27:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037ROu05858; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:27:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g032E4u10404 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:14:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.12.119.16]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020103021405.FHVH16985.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:14:05 -0800 Message-ID: <3C33BE8F.4F46F2BF@home.com> From: mellowe@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor hood References: <4.1.20020101105737.01795ba0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:14:39 -0500 Status: RO Hi, I found some information on Costumer's Manifesto: Hat's. Millinery and Feathers Links at http://www.costumes.org/pages/hats.htm that might be of some use to you. Once on that page go down past History to How To. There I found two sites, the first was Tudor Gable: Illustrated Step by Step Instructions and Step by step instructions for an English Hood (Gabled Headress). Hope this is of some use. Lynne Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > P.S. How does one make a Tudor style gable hood? I've looked at a lot of pics > and I'm totaly stumped. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:57:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30092 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:57:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037SBd22118; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:28:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037S5u06050; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:28:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20301.mail.yahoo.com (web20301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.82]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g033LRu27920 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:21:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020103032127.86490.qmail@web20301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.110.20] by web20301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 19:21:27 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Finally...I have found my true sewing New Year's Resolution Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:21:27 -0800 (PST) Status: RO [forgive me if the list is just posting slowly and this turns up twice, but I think I forgot to hit "send"] This year I am going to create The Ultimate Singing and Harping Dress -- a splendiferous, stupendous, drop-dead, knock-out, eat-your-hearts-out-you-pitiful-peasants dress! Right now I'm thinking in terms of Folkwears Afghani Nomad Dress with the bodice in Hot Potatoes' burgundy and spruce-green cross-dyed velvet (fabric looks burgundy, but when hot-stamped, the design comes up green.) I would stamp it with Hot Potatoes' celtic design stamps. I would do the sleeves and the super-duper extra full skirt in green -- maybe crepe, maybe rayon -- not sure yet. Here's the theory -- having such a glorious gown to wear would surely inspire me to practice more!!! Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:57:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30096 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:57:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037SLd22144; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:28:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037SGu06104; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:28:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g034IAu18434 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:18:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 13212 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 04:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.236.96) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 04:18:05 -0000 Message-ID: <3C33DBCE.B9A72FE2@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:19:25 -0600 Status: RO Greetings to all Having returned from a long hiatus during which I missed you all immensely, I of course immediately have a question. There may be a simple answer, and if so, I'm sure someone on this list will have it. On the January page of the 2002 Medieval Woman calendar, please consider the lady to the right (the one in the turban). Examine, if you will, the red laces at center front of her bodice. One can see that the bottom two seem to pass through the dark dots which might be interpreted as lacing holes. This makes sense to me as a single spiral lace holding the dress together. The top four, however, seem to lay horizontally without passing through the dark dots and without the necessary connecting diagonal of a spiral lace. Similarly, the lady on the left has numerous horizontal bars (and no diagonals) center front. Because of the gathered nature of her overgarment (and the lack of diagonals), these wouldn't seem to be laces--unless they're laces on the undergarment instead (which still doesn't explain the lack of diagonals!). For a similar phenomenon, go to http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/botticel/portrait/index.html and click on "Portrait of a Young Woman" (the second one). What is happening here? Are these just decorative? Here for example--go to http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/v/veronese/z_other/ and click on "Portrait of a Venetian Woman"--they look pretty vestigial, but that's much later. I was just going to put up my new calendar, and look how much trouble I got into! Many thanks for any enlightenment that you can offer. Melanie Schuessler p.s. to Robin Netherton: Check out February for a 16th century Flemish Sybil in a sideless surcoat-esque garment. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:58:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30100 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:58:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037Sld22180; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:28:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Sbu06208; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:28:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0352Fu01563 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:02:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from 56k-lnk-138.radiks.net ([206.29.243.140] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16M017-0003K7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:02:13 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020102225951.00aa1ab0@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: LOTR - Rivendell - oops Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:01:16 -0600 Status: RO I mis-remembered which city I wanted to talk about. It wasn't Rivendell that looked like it was designed by Roland, it was Lothlorien. Sandy >>Rivendell was pretty even if it did look like Thomas Kinkade designed it.\\ > >Well, actually it resembled Marc Roland's (a fantasy artist I've been >seeing at SF conventions since 1982) design more, but Kinkade is more >recognizable to most people, and pretty accurate also. We've been going >to cons and buying art for 20 years or so, so just trying to keep artist's >names straight is hard sometimes. > >Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:58:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30104 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:58:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037Srd22192; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:28:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Smu06259; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:28:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g035Jnu06421 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:19:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPCK5100.G1E for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:19:49 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Kat and violence in LOTR Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:16:25 -0800 Status: RO Read the "Letters" edited by Humphrey Carpenter. I don't know if it's i nthere, but his letters to Christopher during that war are there. Doesn't seem to be what he's consciously thinking of, anyway. The war he went through himself was WWI. Far more to the point is his unhappiness over the industrialization of England and the devastation of the countrisude. However, as this is WAY off topic, let's just drop this, ok? MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Margretta de Vries > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 10:26 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Kat and violence in LOTR > > > You know, Tolkien himself said that these books were not, in fact, a > metaphor for WWII. I am not sure where the quote is to be found, but I will > look. > > Margretta > (delurking) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Azelana@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 1:37 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Kat and violence in LOTR > > > In a message dated 12/31/01 2:34:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > << I agree with Margo, however. I didn't care much for it as it was > *way* too violent for me. I spent a good portion of the movie > (especially in the last part) with my head buried in my husband's > shoulder going "are they done fighting yet." However, since it is a > cultural icon, I will go see the other two. >> > > Oh dear! There's going to be a war, ya know... LOTR is a metaphorical > account of Tolkien's own emotional experiences of WWII, written into a > fantasy story. I'm afraid it will get MUCH more violent. Felt I should > warn > you. > > --Gillian > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:58:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30108 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:58:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037TBd22213; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:29:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037T5u06464; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:29:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g035Uiu09180 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:30:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPCKN800.91L for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:44 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: sorcerer's stone vs. philosopher's stone Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:27:20 -0800 Status: RO Apparently that time they imagined we *would* get it, without needing a number, as long as they said "King". George III is probably the only King George most Americans under 60 have ever heard of! :) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Kate M Bunting > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:07 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: sorcerer's stone vs. philosopher's stone > > > Alan Bennett's play is called "The madness of George III". According > to www.snopes2.com, the reason for the change of title for the film > was not so much the oft-quoted "people would think it was a sequel", > as a perceived need to add the word "King" for the benefit of > American audiences. > > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > >>> gailscott@eos.net 01/02/02 02:33pm >>> > > I heard a radio interviewer ask this very question. The answer is not that > Americans are too stupid to know what the philosopher's stone is, but that > the marketers thought "sorcerer" would sound more exciting to American kids > than "philosopher." I have to agree that that's probably true, but I also > imagine it's irrelevant, considering the worldwide popularity of the book. > > The same person being interviewed (I forget who it was) said that the film > called "The Madness of King George" in the USA was originally called either > "King George III" or "The Madness of King George III" -- British folks, > please enlighten us. The US marketers left off the III because they thought > Americans would be confused and think it referred to a sequel -- you know, > coming after "The Madness of King George II." > > Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:59:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30112 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:59:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037TZd22257; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:29:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037TRu06571; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:29:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g035VZu09511 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:31:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPCKOO00.E1V for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:31:36 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <5B682C43924@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:28:11 -0800 Status: RO LOL, just put "Teddy" in both fields. We'll know who you are! MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Teddy > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:20 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question > > > > > > Even though, I started it, I consider it the list's community. For > > > those who used the list "invitation" to sign up they don't need my > > > (the community administrator's) approval. However, those who signed > > > up through the site do require approval. > > I wouldn't be able to register at all as Surname is a required field > and I don't have one. > > Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:59:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30116 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:59:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037Tod22294; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:29:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Tju06663; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:29:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g035ZZu10548 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:35:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g035a6u24862 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:36:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020102233525.00a3e3f0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] HCostume fabric sell or swap... In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:37:18 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, Nope you shouldn't. I've been part of various communities for over a year and have never received any spam from them ever. They only email you should ever receive is if someone posts something to the site. That's one of the reasons I like this set-up. Besides, you can log in from anywhere. Cheers, Danielle At 03:05 PM 1/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Will joining this community mean I get deluged with tons of spam? > >-- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:59:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30120 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:59:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037U2d22347; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Tvu06713; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:29:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g035dYu11424 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:39:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g035e6u25709 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:40:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020102233958.03469070@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: RE: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020101221439.02d22e90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:41:38 -0600 Status: RO That is an excellent suggestion, so consider this past one January's. : ) Honestly I didn't even think of including the H-Costume email address. Sorry. I will remember that for next time. Cheers, Danielle At 10:15 PM 1/1/2002 -0800, you wrote: >It really is for h-cost members. You should probably post an invitation >to the >list (as you just did) on a monthly basis or so, because our population is >constantly changing. > >When you returned the "rejection" notice, did you send the h-cost signup >address? We don't want to lose good new members just because they're >knocking on >the back door :) > >MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 02:00:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30132 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:00:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037UMd22369; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037UFu06800; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g035dZu11426 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:39:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g035e7u25714 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:40:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020102234143.0346c2c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: RE: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question In-Reply-To: <5B682C43924@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200201020637.g026bQZ12351@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:43:24 -0600 Status: RO At 03:20 PM 1/2/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > > Even though, I started it, I consider it the list's community. For > > > those who used the list "invitation" to sign up they don't need my > > > (the community administrator's) approval. However, those who signed > > > up through the site do require approval. > >I wouldn't be able to register at all as Surname is a required field >and I don't have one. > >Teddy Teddy, Evilbunny for a surname was a good idea or put Teddy twice. : ) Or just make one up. Unfortunately that isn't something I can control. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 02:00:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30136 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:00:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037UWd22383; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037URu06850; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g035dZu11431 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:39:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g035e7u25718 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:40:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020102234151.0346a130@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list In-Reply-To: <44.18c5e0dd.29649e05@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:42:38 -0600 Status: RO You have been approved Lalah. Unfortunately, that part means you have to wait until I log in again. I try and do that at least once a day. Cheers, Danielle At 12:31 PM 1/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Somehow I missed out on the original and didn't get signed up (at least I >don't think I did) and now they are making me go through the whole >application thing. I did it, but have not been "approved" yet. What a >bummer. If I am not approved I will just forget it. Does that tell you >how us "outsiders" feel? > >Lalah >Never Give up, Never Surrender, _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 02:00:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30140 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:00:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037Udd22395; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037UYu06877; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0367Yu18194 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:07:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g03682u01540 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:08:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020102234327.03410060@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <5B682C43924@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200201020637.g026bQZ12351@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Administrative stuff for The H-Costume swap & sell community Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:04:44 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, After yesterday's little discussion on the list, the main ground rule we have so far is: No one will have their membership application accepted if they don't include a name and email address. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 02:09:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA32243 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:09:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037V4d22471; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:31:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Uwu06993; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from agamemnon.cnchost.com (agamemnon.cnchost.com [207.155.252.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037FLu03081 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:15:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer ([216.193.19.16]) by agamemnon.cnchost.com id CAA29153; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:15:20 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200201021455.g02EtDZ28205@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] LOTR Costume Details: Hobbits Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:12:34 -0800 Status: RO >>Not too sure, having worn costumes made up by the same people, darts are >>almost certainly out. >>All the costumes I wore and saw in the costume rooms at PR were flatlined, >>and used seams for shaping. We are talking from ancient fantasy(Xena) to >>18thC fantasy(JoAT) to furturistic fantasy(Cleo). She did not like darts:). >>Bias covered cord was used to edge anything boned and fitted and yes, >>polyboning ... Michaela, Thanks for the info. Shaping seams is so much better, but out here (LA/Hollywood) it's hard to convince folks that going the historic root, vs darts, is hard sometimes. Did you get a good look at the hobbit blouses??? How are the sleeves done on the women??? What I could see, looked like elastic, at least in the sleeves... but am curios. For everyone looking for Hobbit pictures, I did find some of the "Hero Hobbits", but lost the links.... tomorrow I'll send it. BTW, for those not up on the LOTR terms. "Hero" was used for any of the detailed costumes for close up camera work. Each race had them. These costumes had a lot more details. -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 02:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08499 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:53:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g038O8d24465; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:24:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g038O0u18810; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g038NKu18701 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:23:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from pacbell.net ([206.170.3.165]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GPC009C6SMVXT@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:23:22 -0800 (PST) From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kat and violence in LOTR To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3C341483.6C3495C4@pacbell.net> Organization: Pacific Bell Internet Services MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-PBI-NC404 (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <79.20aeba5d.2962c11c@aol.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:21:23 -0800 Status: RO Gillian wrote: Oh dear! There's going to be a war, ya know... LOTR is a metaphorical account of Tolkien's own emotional experiences of WWII, written into a fantasy story. I'm afraid it will get MUCH more violent. Felt I should warn you. No it isn't metaphore, and Tolkien says so very clearly. I've been reading it recently in a one-volume reprint I bought myself for Christmas 2000 (Houghton Mifflin, ISBN 0-395-97468-2). I don't mean to be argumentative, but here are his own words. In the forward to the second edition, first published in October 1965, (he deleted the first forward), Professor Tolkien wrote, "As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical . . . The crucial chapter, 'The Shadow of the Past', is one of the oldest parts of the tale. It was written long before the foreshadow of 1939 had yet become a threat of inevitable disaster, and from that point the story would have developed along essentially the same lines, if that disaster had been averted. Its sources are things long before in mind, or in some cases already written, and little or nothing in it was modified by the war that began in 1939 or its sequels." Tolkein goes on to say that if the book had followed WWII, the Ring would have been used agains Sauron "not annihilated but enslaved, and Barad-dur would not have been destroyed but occupied." He goes on for a couple more paragraphs on this line, but then says that an author cannot write and be completely separated from the world around him. He reminds his readers that he was caught up in WWI and that was just as bad as WWII for many people; all but one of his close friends were dead by 1918. However, he says that the book was already in his mind before there were even threats of another war. LynnD Having read it first at the tender age of 11 or12 in (oh my God) 1963-44 Azelana@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/31/01 2:34:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > << I agree with Margo, however. I didn't care much for it as it was > *way* too violent for me. I spent a good portion of the movie > (especially in the last part) with my head buried in my husband's > shoulder going "are they done fighting yet." However, since it is a > cultural icon, I will go see the other two. >> > > > > --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 03:55:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14064 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:55:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g039Q6d26991; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:26:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Q0u01344; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Nbu00931 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:23:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-128.frys.com [66.121.20.128]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g039Ljr14292 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:21:45 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020103002409.017987c0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: sorcerer's stone vs. philosopher's stone In-Reply-To: References: <200112300025.fBU0PRZ12809@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:25:32 -0800 Status: RO I have to agree that that's probably true, but I also >imagine it's irrelevant, considering the worldwide popularity of the book. I just hears someone say that there was an exit poll of grade-school-age children after some showing of Harry Potter, and a few of the interviewees said they liked it but the book was better! Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 03:56:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14068 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:56:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g039R6d27036; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:27:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Qxu01505; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Ndu00943 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:23:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-128.frys.com [66.121.20.128]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g039Llr14295 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:21:47 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020103002621.01797b80@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20020103002621.01797b80@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <5B5980757A7@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200112310733.fBV7XJZ05375@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts - II Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:29:16 -0800 Status: RO >> I was under the impression a guy wrapped his parts in his shirt tail >> and then put the wrapped package into the codpiece. > >That's what works for me (except it's the front of the shirt not the >back "tails"). 'scuse me for being a Yank, but I thought the front and back were both tails, hence the plural. But then, my plumbing is different than yours is. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 03:59:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14077 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:59:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g039Tld27175; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:29:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Tgu02019; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:29:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Nfu00951 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:23:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-128.frys.com [66.121.20.128]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g039Lnr14298 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:21:49 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020103003040.01797f10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Why I got into Costume In-Reply-To: <006201c193a6$872b4a60$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> References: <3C31D3C6.179A2CAD@in-tch.com> <4.1.20020102030520.01788d10@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:32:19 -0800 Status: RO >My interest is very broad over the entire culture. My husband has traveled >all over Egypt. For our 30 wedding anniversary, we are planning to stay in >Egypt for a month. Since we are only at our 23rd year presently, we have a >lot of time for planning. Go for it! I wish I had the means to go there, and about 30 other ethnic places (many of which are not safe for those of us with blue eyes). >Did you see the four hour special on A&E last night about the pharaohs? No TV, so I missed it. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 03:59:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14081 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:59:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g039Tud27198; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:29:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Tou02056; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:29:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Nhu00959 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:23:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-128.frys.com [66.121.20.128]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g039Lpr14302 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:21:51 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020103003325.00a84550@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <200201021851.KAA14387@artemis.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts - III Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:29:48 -0800 Status: RO >In looking at the codpieces in Arnold, I'm confused as to their >functionality. Yes, they look as if they could contain the genitals, I heard two (unsubstantiated) stories about what actually went into late-period codpieces like those, and it was nothing anatomical. One was the story of some man producing an orange from his codpiece and offering it to a lady. The other was of different man hiding his coins in there, and still having his 'pocket' picked. -snip- >Okay, I don't have the right plumbing to really answer this with any real >authority, but I have heard stories that that pocket behind the codpiece was >just that, a pocket, to put stuff, like coins, etc, not one's uhm-person. I >have always understood that the codpiece was just a cover of the split in >the slops, since early in the tudor period they weren't using buttons. Earlier flap-style codpiece-things were probably just to cover the center-front gap between the two legs of the hose. Later shaped ones could contain anatomy, my guess being after it was wrapped in a shirt tail to help contain it. Later garments, like the ones in Janet Arnold, actually lace together behind the codpiece, precluding the codpiece's use for containing anatomy. But these are hollow, so something else could be put in there. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 03:59:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14085 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:59:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g039U5d27239; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:30:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Txu02091; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:30:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Niu00966 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:23:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-128.frys.com [66.121.20.128]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g039Lhr14287 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:21:43 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020103002201.0179c6b0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts - I Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:29:28 -0800 Status: RO >I've also seen a list of clothing issued to English soldiers at this period, >including shirts but not drawers, which made me wonder idly whether the >common man perhaps didn't wear them? I think this is true (with long shirt tails, you don't need them). But then again, many men today don't wear them ;) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 04:39:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14230 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:39:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03AA7d28718; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:10:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03AA1u09542; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl (pandora.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.179]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03A9Vu09448 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:09:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-219-164.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.219.164]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D81437BA2 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:09:28 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00a201c1943e$ec87f1e0$a4dbf1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <0Xb$AEAc5KM8Iw3A@montgomerie.demon.co.uk><006901c1934e$66e37780$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors 2002 Predictions Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C19442.0EC309E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:33:17 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C19442.0EC309E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Heather, You wrote: One of the more significant "explosions" in color words in European languages seems to have paralleled the growth of a medieval cloth industry that involved regular, long-distance trade in dyed cloth. It doesn't seem to have been so much the ability to reliably produce particular colors and shades, but the desire to be able to label these different colors and shades for commercial purposes. That's a very interesting obseravtion. Do you know of any literature = about this? Up to now (as you know I 'do' 1250-1350) I have not found = many colour names in 'my' period, just (in translation) red, darkred or = carmine, blue and darkblue (perse), 'brun' ( a problem colour in the way = of describing it properly), green, grey, black, uncoloured and mixed, = and very rarely purple. No yellow to speak off. In which case, the Color Marketing group is simply the ridiculous extreme of a long historic process. I would stress the word 'rediculous'. The whole lot reminds me of my = education and years in advertising. Best soonest forgotten. Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C19442.0EC309E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Heather,
 
You wrote:
One of the more significant
"explosions" in color words in = European languages seems to have
paralleled the growth of a medieval cloth = industry that involved
regular, long-distance trade in dyed cloth.  It = doesn't seem to have
been so much the ability to reliably produce = particular colors and
shades, but the desire to be able to label these = different colors and
shades for commercial purposes. 
 
That's a very interesting obseravtion. Do you know of any = literature about this? Up to now (as you know I 'do' 1250-1350) I have not found = many colour names in 'my' period, just (in translation) red, darkred or = carmine, blue and darkblue (perse), 'brun' ( a problem colour in the way of = describing it properly), green, grey, black, uncoloured and mixed, and very = rarely purple. No yellow to speak off.
 
In which case, the Color Marketing
group is simply the = ridiculous extreme of a long historic process.

I would stress the word 'rediculous'. The whole lot reminds me of my education and years in advertising. Best soonest forgotten.
 
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very = own domain: www.scapreel.nl
 
------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C19442.0EC309E0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 04:45:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14243 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:45:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03AG6d28897; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:16:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03AG1u14658; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f214.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.214]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03AEqu10529 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:14:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:14:50 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.41 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:14:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.41] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] masked ball costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2002 10:14:50.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A915580:01C1943F] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 02:14:50 -0800 Status: RO I could go to Portland OR!! Is there a specific theme? Historic period? It sounds like a blast. Jennifer >From: "Rowena" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: Re: [h-cost] masked ball costume >Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:22:33 -0500 > >Portland Maine or Portland Oregon? or another state yet? >I could go to Portland Maine. >Rowena > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sidne Kneeland > To: historic costume ; KitchenPicnicTable@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:57 PM > Subject: [h-cost] masked ball costume > > > Greetings, > > For anybody in the Portland area, there is going to be a masked ball at >the Art Museum. Since I have never been so brave as to go there, what >recommendations does anybody have for myself and my spouse to wear? I >probably would need to make these costumes myself (Value Village curtains >here I come). > > Are these supposed to be masks that are affixed with elastic things or >those carry-on-a-stick variety? > > ANY HELP? > > Thanks, > > Sidne/ > In the SCA, Estrelda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 05:07:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14339 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:07:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03Ac9d29653; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:38:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Ac1u27909; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:38:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Aafu27711 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:36:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCMQSZMTDS00DEMK@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:38:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCMQSXWKRE00D4SP@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:38:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:34:16 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:33:33 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:33:22 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR In-reply-to: <200201021740.g02HeAZ16799@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <2A458315A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:33:22 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I didn't think Galadriel's dress was made of lace fabric. It was > pretty huge up there on the screen, and it looked like a sort of > beaded gauze scarf from India that I used to have and love. It hung > like gauze, anyway, not like lace. It sure looked like it to me. Actually, more like net-curtain fabric with sparkles (sequins or beads, I couldn't tell) sewn all over.... > I enjoyed the costumes very much, even if I did't care for them all > personally. What a nice job everyone did. Absolutely. As I say, Galadriel'sfrock was the only jarring moment in the film for me and for the most part (appart from really liking the hobbit-girl look) The costumes went un-noticed in the general enjoyment of the film anyway. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 05:17:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14408 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:17:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03Am5d00220; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:48:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Am0u29842; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Ajfu29392 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:45:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA01544.; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:53:01 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:45:42 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors 2002 Predictions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g03Ajfu29392 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:45:14 +0000 Status: RO Gwyn Carnegie wrote: Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> Ever looked for a deep blue shirt in what appears to be a sea of the >same french blue shirt? Ever walked through a mall looking for a certain >item in a certain color and noticed that every seems to have the variations >on the same garment but not in the color you wanted? Yes, it seems like every time I decide I need a garment of a particular colour, that shade is unobtainable that year. This season I wanted a top in a dark oxblood red (to go with a print skirt I have) and all the reds are bright, even one calling itself "burnt red"! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 05:41:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14543 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:41:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03BC6d01217; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:12:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03BC0u04286; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03BAPu04020 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:10:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCMRYSZL2800C7NU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:12:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCMRYSF5HE00DKG9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:12:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:08:00 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:07:35 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:07:27 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community In-reply-to: <200201021740.g02HeAZ16799@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <335960B28@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:07:26 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > I wouldn't be able to register at all as Surname is a required field > > and I don't have one. > > Maybe, for the purposes of the list, you could use Evilbunny? I'd really rather not. I have a long and involved set of issues with "petty officialdom" requring Surnames, when they aren't a legal requirement, and insisting on adding titles (Mr, Mrs, Mis, Ms etc) to names when they aren't actually *part* of anybody's name but an outmoded and completely unnecessary form of address that people should have the *choice* of attaching to their names or not. The advent of widespread computer systems has made the whole thing worse. iv'e had to threaten places like banks and my employer with legal action under Data Protection laws for knowingly keeping inaccurate personal information on their databases because their systems had been set up with Surname and Title as mandatory fields that couldn't be left blank so they had me listed as Mr T. Teddy. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 06:08:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14653 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:08:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03Bd6d02463; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:39:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Bd0u09481; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03BbJu09203 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:37:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCMSX7HISG00BME7@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:39:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCMSX6RNB400CV4O@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:39:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:34:58 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:34:55 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:34:46 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts In-reply-to: <200201021906.g02J6AZ01515@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3AA3056A0@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:34:46 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > In looking at the codpieces in Arnold, I'm confused as to their > functionality. Yes, they look as if they could contain the > genitals, but the center front openings of the slops appear to meet > behind them. What's happening here? Wouldn't things get...pinched? Speaking form the 15th century perspective here (and it shouldn't be that much digfferent for 16th century, on the assumption that the inner layers of the trunk-hose aren't as baggy as the outer so the genetalia wouldn't just hang inside the trunks in the way it would in modern boxer shorts).... most of my fitted/sewn hose have a similar arrangement (the codpieces just aren't shaped/padded like the 16th century ones) and the edges of the front openings part around the base of the genitals and don't pinch at all. > Also, the one codpiece we see the inside of shows a nicely padded > circular bit. Oh heavens, there is no ladylike way to ask this > question....does just the penis go in the codpiece or is it somehow > supposed to hold the scrotum as well? Provided the space inside the codpiece is big enough, it quite comfortably holds both. > And just how does one accomplish that wrapping the shirt tail around > it first bit? Speaking for myself... I sort of pouch the bottom of the shirt front so that the bottom edge is nestled behind (underneath and up both sides of) the scrotum and the resultant "package" or pouchfull sits comfortably inside the codpiece and neatly does away with the worry of flashing the world if the codpiece should come unfastened. I hope this is of some help (and the sys-admin people here at work have no problems with the content...) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 06:20:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14684 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:20:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03Bp7d03032; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:51:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Bp0u11417; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03BoCu11291 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:50:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCMTD7WG0G00BME7@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:52:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCMTD78WD600DKG9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:52:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:47:52 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:47:25 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:47:21 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR - Galadriel's frock. In-reply-to: <200201030735.g037ZNu08017@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3DF9C5FD4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:47:21 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > You are right, it was not lace. I have no idea how anyone could think > that. What I did notice was the wide seam allowances as the light > shone through the fabric. I thought the raised areas were beaded. > http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/1019 I'm certain that > the fabric will be a silk too, we are talking about a bloody expensive > film;) What it's actually made of is ireelevant. It *looks* like the "lace" fabric that started appearing on market stalls (here at least) in the 80s, some of which comes pre-sequinned. I once bought some of the black version (un-sequinned) to make a "goth" outfit for my cousin... but that wasn't meant to look in any way classy. The stuff used in the film might be pure silk and hand beaded, for all I know, but it still looks like cheap tacky 1980's nylon lace with sparkly bits added to me. Teddy. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 06:36:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14814 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:36:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03C77d03711; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:07:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03C70u14520; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03C58u14069 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:05:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCMTVPKS2O00BME7@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:07:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCMTVOZG7M00CLCW@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:07:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:02:46 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:02:21 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:02:12 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts - II In-reply-to: <200201031144.g03Biou10461@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <41F44597C@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:02:12 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >That's what works for me (except it's the front of the shirt not the > >back "tails"). > > 'scuse me for being a Yank, but I thought the front and back were both > tails, hence the plural. But then, my plumbing is different than > yours is. You may well be right, techinically, Kayta. I have no idea. All I know is that if someone mentions "shirt-tails" I think of the bit that hangs doen at the *back* not the front. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 08:09:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16043 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:09:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03DeMd07592; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:40:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03De1u02683; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03DdBu02410 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:39:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23173 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:54:18 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Administrative stuff for The H-Costume swap & sell community In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020102234327.03410060@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:54:18 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > After yesterday's little discussion on the list, the main ground rule > we have so far is: > > No one will have their membership application accepted if they don't > include a name and email address. > > Does anyone have any other suggestions? They have to be on h-cost. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 08:40:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16275 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:40:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03EB6d09625; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:11:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03EB0u09750; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03EACu09563 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:10:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23309 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:25:19 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery In-Reply-To: <3C33DBCE.B9A72FE2@faucet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:25:18 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > On the January page of the 2002 Medieval Woman calendar, please > consider the lady to the right (the one in the turban). Examine, if > you will, the red laces at center front of her bodice. One can see > that the bottom two seem to pass through the dark dots which might be > interpreted as lacing holes. This makes sense to me as a single > spiral lace holding the dress together. The top four, however, seem > to lay horizontally without passing through the dark dots and without > the necessary connecting diagonal of a spiral lace. > > Similarly, the lady on the left has numerous horizontal bars (and no > diagonals) center front. Because of the gathered nature of her > overgarment (and the lack of diagonals), these wouldn't seem to be > laces--unless they're laces on the undergarment instead (which still > doesn't explain the lack of diagonals!). For a similar phenomenon, go > to http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/botticel/portrait/index.html and > click on "Portrait of a Young Woman" (the second one). > > What is happening here? Are these just decorative? I noticed the same thing last week when I put up my calendar, and decided that these are probably just a poor rendering. One of the things I'm wondering is how much the image has been enlarged. Sometimes in reproductions you get a very large picture of something that was extremely small to begin with. On my wall I have a National Gallery poster of a Raphael angel who's reprinted in at least 3/4 life-size, but in the original, she's all of five or six inches tall. That explains some significant losses in costume details -- e.g. a string of beads with spaces in between and no connecting cord. In the original, the beads look connected because the spaces are so tiny as to be invisible (and the cord would have been impossible to paint). In this case, on the turbaned lady, I think we do have an impression of the diagonals, but very sketchy and not accurately placed: they appear as shadowy pale red horizontal lines in the white space between the dominant laces. As for the fact they don't go through the holes, either it's a mistake, or there's a convention of putting lacing rings on the inside behind decorative dots on the edging. Again, a significant enlargement would explain this loss of accuracy in detail. Ditto for the lady in the back. Alternatively, there is a lacing method that produces only horizontals, and it may explain the occasional appearance of the horizontal-row lacings (which seem to me to be primarily a German feature and occasionally Burgundian, but I haven't examined this issue in detail). The lacing method uses hooks or rings at the edge or just inside the inside edge of the fabric. You lace straight across, then (on the inside) go up one, then lace back across, then go up one, and so on. I've never done this myself, and it would seem to me that this is not something that could take a lot of stress, but would be sufficient to keep an overdress lying flat and organized. Or the "laces" may be sewn in for decorative effect -- vestigial, as you suggest. This ornamentation does show up eventually, I think. But I wouldn't read a whole lot into the use of laces with a gathered overgarment. This is an altarpiece, and these are almost certainly Biblical/historial figures. In this period, I've found loads of fanciful dresses on such characters that combine elements of "fantasy" or "historical" dress with modern fashionable details, often in physically incompatible ways. (Melanie, if you saw my sideless surcote lecture, you might remember an image of a saint in a sideless surcote that had the currently fashionable 15th-century V-neck, complete with black inset panel, grafted into it.) > p.s. to Robin Netherton: Check out February for a 16th century > Flemish Sybil in a sideless surcoat-esque garment. Yes, I've got her for my collection. In fact, I think I got her "live" at the Cluny, but I still haven't sorted all my tapestry slides (at least 200 of them) that I took in Paris a year ago. I am despairing of figuring out the titles/dates for all those images. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 08:46:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16321 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:46:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03EH7d10031; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:17:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03EH0u11026; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20710.mail.yahoo.com (web20710.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.183]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g03EE7u10439 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:14:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020103141410.23879.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web20710.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 14:14:10 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: LOTR To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:14:10 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO The LOTR was written by Tolkein as part of what he saw as giving back to England part of her native folklore, on which alot of the book is written. To get a better view of this you should read the Silmarillion which is truely his masterpeice. It is a collection of stories, myths etc from middle earth. Tolkein borrowed from Anglo-Saxon myths, and elvish is in part based on Anglo Saxon. Not much to do with wars etc! Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:37:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19457 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:37:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0417Qd17060; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:07:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04172s09125; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx07.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03FCps00714 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:12:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.241.42.43] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 14336678 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:24:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003f01c1935d$0d938da0$53114ed5@pavilion> References: <004c01c19243$d4e92d80$12250218@c hstfld1.va.home.com> <003f01c1935d$0d938da0$53114ed5@pavilion> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Anglo-Saxon burials Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:12:38 -0500 Status: RO Mel said: >I make early Anglo Saxon brooches see www.pastclass.com Nice stuff! For myself, I'm having a blast making various pieces. If any turn out particularly well, I might make a few extra for sale myself, especially since we seem to be interested in different pieces. Good luck with yours! -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:39:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19463 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:39:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0419Nd17233; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:09:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0419Is09832; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:09:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from eris.io.com (IDENT:root@eris.io.com [199.170.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03FFBs01891 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (chiara@localhost) by eris.io.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g03FF5p09072 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:15:05 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: eris.io.com: chiara owned process doing -bs From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:15:05 -0600 (CST) Status: RO I also wondered about this picture but for other reasons. That black thing that she is wearing underneath almost looks like a harness of some sort. I took the red lacings to be a mistake honestly and did not really go past that thought. The lady in the back looks more like she was sewn into her over bodice than anything. That is what it looks like when I sew the lacings in front of my bodice cause I did not have the time to make the rings. :) Not the answer your looking for I know, you want some kind of documentation to explain what this is. The best that I can offer is a lady's email address here in Texas that specilizes in this artist rendering of costumes and see if she has an idea. Let me know privately. -- Sincerely, Chiara Francesca chiara@io.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:43:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19478 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:43:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Cbd17588; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:13:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041CJs10803; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:12:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03GuGs01393 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:56:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip180.vanc9.pacifier.com [66.43.2.180]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g03GtUe13877 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:55:30 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery Message-ID: <3C341DE9.14111.37DD14B@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3C33DBCE.B9A72FE2@faucet.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:01:29 -0800 Status: RO > On the January page of the 2002 Medieval Woman calendar, please consider > the lady to the right (the one in the turban). Examine, if you will, > the red laces at center front of her bodice. One can see that the > bottom two seem to pass through the dark dots which might be interpreted > as lacing holes. This makes sense to me as a single spiral lace holding > the dress together. The top four, however, seem to lay horizontally > without passing through the dark dots and without the necessary > connecting diagonal of a spiral lace. The diagonals are on the back side of the lacings. It was actually a very common lacing pattern. Also, chemises and the like are often laced. You can see this quite well in some of the courtesan's chemises in Lynn Lawner's book on courtesans. Fun calendar, eh! (One of my students has decided that she gets to give me the calendar for Christmas every year. Hey, I'm not going to complain!) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:43:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19482 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:43:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041CUd17569; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:13:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041CEs10757; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:12:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03GcYs16973 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:38:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.178]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020103163832.EHKO14468.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:38:32 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3488D0.7198C133@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <3C33DBCE.B9A72FE2@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Gothic Sculputer Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:37:36 -0600 Status: RO I went wandering around that site and found this.. http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/zgothic/gothic/2/index.html look at the "Wise Virgins" and note the pleating/gathering of fabric going from under the arm to the waist. Do you think this is the construction of the garment?? Katie Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > Greetings to all > > Having returned from a long hiatus during which I missed you all > immensely, I of course immediately have a question. There may be a > simple answer, and if so, I'm sure someone on this list will have it. > > On the January page of the 2002 Medieval Woman calendar, please consider > the lady to the right (the one in the turban). Examine, if you will, > the red laces at center front of her bodice. One can see that the > bottom two seem to pass through the dark dots which might be interpreted > as lacing holes. This makes sense to me as a single spiral lace holding > the dress together. The top four, however, seem to lay horizontally > without passing through the dark dots and without the necessary > connecting diagonal of a spiral lace. > > Similarly, the lady on the left has numerous horizontal bars (and no > diagonals) center front. Because of the gathered nature of her > overgarment (and the lack of diagonals), these wouldn't seem to be > laces--unless they're laces on the undergarment instead (which still > doesn't explain the lack of diagonals!). For a similar phenomenon, go > to > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/botticel/portrait/index.html > and click on "Portrait of a Young Woman" (the second one). > > What is happening here? Are these just decorative? Here for > example--go to > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/v/veronese/z_other/ > and click on "Portrait of a Venetian Woman"--they look pretty vestigial, > but that's much later. > > I was just going to put up my new calendar, and look how much trouble I > got into! Many thanks for any enlightenment that you can offer. > > Melanie Schuessler > > p.s. to Robin Netherton: Check out February for a 16th century Flemish > Sybil in a sideless surcoat-esque garment. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:44:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19487 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:44:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041DRd17659; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:13:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041CWs10928; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:12:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Imds05491 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:48:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.c8.20300c29 (18405) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:48:28 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mano Mexican jacket To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c8.20300c29.29660185_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:48:37 EST Status: RO --part1_c8.20300c29.29660185_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is a good looking jacket. Too bad kids tend to keep on growing and growing and growing. Not just kids either -- it is a good thing I have just T-tunics and sideless surcoats in my garb wardrobe right now, because I sure overindulged over the holidays. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_c8.20300c29.29660185_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      It is a good looking jacket.  Too bad kids tend to keep on growing and growing and growing.  Not just kids either -- it is a good thing I have just T-tunics and sideless surcoats in my garb wardrobe right now, because I sure overindulged over the holidays.  

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--part1_c8.20300c29.29660185_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:44:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19491 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:44:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041DTd17662; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:13:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041COs10846; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:12:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03HGrs14506 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:16:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.178]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020103171651.SQZB27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:16:51 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3491CC.33D55D87@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A new dress References: <002b01c19251$f7547c40$5030c818@WorkGroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:15:56 -0600 Status: RO Isn't that a bliaut?? Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > Hi, > > I will be attending a "medieval wedding" this summer. (I don't think it'll > be what *I* could call medieval, but hey, it's a good occasion to wear a > costume ;-) > > So, I found this dress in Peacock. I know he's not a very good reference for > periodness, but I love the dress (not the hat, I'll wear a veil and a > circlet with flowers on my head) > You can see it here. > http://www.geocities.com/audreybmorin/Varia/dress.jpg > > I don't mind the dress not being 100% accurate, but if I can make it more > period without making apparent alterations, I'd be happy. So now with my > questions. > > Would you make it with underarm gussets? It is tight-fitting so could it be > laced on the sides? I'm guessing it would probably be made with gores at the > sides and back starting at hip level, but would you also put a gore in > front? How do I obtain the right shape for the train? What shape would you > make the sleeves? > > Are there any other things you can think of that would help me construct the > dress? I've made a bunch of t-tunics already with different widths and > shapes so making a dress without a pattern doesn't really scare me, but > there are things like lacing or sleeves that I have never done yet. > > I'm thinking green silk. Crepe maybe, as it falls nicely and is not too > shiny. Any other ideas for what kind of silk I could use? White linen > underdress, with hidden lacing on the forearm so it's tight-fitting. It will > be long enough that I'm not worried about shoes, so that's not a problem. > I'll try to find false hair to make a very long braid out of and hide the > attachment point under the veil, my hair is way too short to do anything > with. > > Thanks a lot, > Alix > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:49:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19504 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:49:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041HLd18305; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Gxs12739; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:16:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (sm0101.promedia.net [208.131.40.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Lm1s12377 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gateway (ppp-208-171-196-100.01.promedia.net [208.171.196.100]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g03Lm5v10146 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:48:05 -0800 Message-ID: <002a01c194a0$b5766d00$64c4abd0@mshome.net> From: "Joan Broneske" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: LOTR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:50:48 -0800 Status: RO My husband believes that a lot of LOTR was based on Nordic mythology; afterall, there is Gandalf (a lot like Odin), elves, dwarves and "little people" (hobbits). I can see the similarity, at least in the races of characters that were used. ,%%%, Joan Broneske --==% `%%%, unicorn@softcom.net |' )`%%, \_/\ @%%, __@@" %%%--"""-.%, /`__| \%% \\ \ / | /'%, \] | /----'. < `%, || `>> > || ///` /( //( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: LOTR > > LOTR was indeed not a fictional account of Tolkien's experiences in WWII. > For one thing, he wasn't in WWII (fighting, anyway -- he was certainly in > England during WWII). And anyway, he wrote it and all his other related > stuff during most of his adult life. While any author's works can fairly be > said to be influenced by his/her experiences, LOTR isn't about WWII or WWI. > If it's "about" anything, it's simply making up a new epic and turning it > into a novel. The man knew every epic that ever was backwards and forwards, > all he had to do was pick up a pen and epic stuff just flowed out. > > Personally, I love these books and I think the man was an amazing writer. I > am on tenterhooks to see how the movies handle the coming epic battles -- > the Riders of Rohan and the seige of Mordor -- and particularly the deaths > of Theoden and Denethor. But if you don't like them, well, then, you don't > like them. Nothing we have to argue about, surely? > > There's a lot of costume stuff to talk about from the movie, let's stick to > that. > > Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:51:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19513 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:51:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Kdd18557; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:20:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Kas14114; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:20:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Gts12691 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:16:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.161] (pm5-161.eos.net [205.133.149.161]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17369 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:13:00 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201021740.g02He2Z16685@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: color marketing group Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 20:10:16 -0500 Status: RO The Color Marketing Group is, in my opinion, a giant scam. They "forecast" colors for the coming year, colors which they also happen to make available to paying customers. Everyone has to use them, because if you don't, then your stuff doesn't match everyone else's stuff. Your carpet lines don't match the current upholstery fabrics, for instance, or your car upholstery vinyl doesn't match the available car paint colors. And they're not cheap! Yes, I have a rather violent opinion of them, and yes, it is an informed opinion. I have worked in the graphic design field for more than a decade, and I have interviewed "forecasters" and gone to seminars they put on. IMHO, it's a terrible trick! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:52:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19520 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:51:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Gnd18248; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Gjs12617; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:16:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Jles06784 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:47:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.165] (as3-4-179.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.165]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g03JlaI17879 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:47:37 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Loonie King George the Threeth Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:58:44 -0800 Status: RO At 9:38 AM +1100 1/3/02, Christopher Ballis wrote: >the film >called "The Madness of King George" in the USA was originally called either >"King George III" or "The Madness of King George III" The US marketers left >off the III because they thought >Americans would be confused and think it referred to a sequel > > >Yep, the sequel fear is true. The film is based upon a play called The >Madness of King George III, > I think that that interpretation may be more a snide and humorous joke on American pop culture than a likely motivation for the name change. I'd see it as simply a cultural context thing: for a British audience, there were lots of Kings George running around, and even the reference to madness might not immediately pin it down. But for a US audience, there is one extremely salient King George -- if you say "King George" to a USAn with any historical knowledge at all, they will first and foremost think of the George on the throne during our Revolutionary War. So the "III" part is superfluous for identification. (Now, if you wanted to make a movie for a US audience about one of the _other_ Kings George, you might need to include numbers or some other identification.) If US audiences were really that incapable of dealing with movies with numbers in the title, we would have had problems with "Henry V" and "Malcolm X". (And, yes, jokes were made about people interpreting both those titles as involving sequel numbers ... but they were _jokes_, not actual logistical problems.) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:52:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19527 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:52:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Mod18818; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:23:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Hds13138; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g040fgs00617 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:41:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9FD4C60190; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:40:29 -0600 Message-ID: <007701c194b8$5685ff00$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] TV Movie Alert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:39:53 -0500 Status: RO Tonight on A&E is showing the 1st part of the movie Victoria and Albert. The 2nd part airs Friday night. On the east coast of the US, the movie begins at 9 PM and an encore at 1AM. This movie originally aired a few months ago. I really enjoyed it. For more information on this show go to http://www.aande.com/tv/shows/victoria/ Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:53:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19532 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:53:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Ncd18924; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:23:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041His13184; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01e.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.235]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g040pvs04249 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:51:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 26280 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 00:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.194.102]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Jan 2002 00:51:54 -0000 Message-ID: <008e01c194ba$1cba8be0$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <005b01c193f0$84f0eb20$bfc2adcb@user> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Re:LOTR - Calendar! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:52:40 -0500 Status: RO I just ordered the daily calendar for LoTR. has anyone seen it? The info says: "The Lord of the Rings" Daily Boxed Calendar Based on J.R.R. Tolkien's classic tale of good and evil, this 2002 daily boxed calendar showcases famous characters and settings from the much-heralded new movie. The sturdy plastic frame can rest flat or be propped up for easy viewing. The Lord of the Rings, The Fellowship of the Ring and the characters and the places therein: Copyright The Saul Zaentz Company d/b/a Tolkien Enterprises under license to New Line Productions, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Daily boxed calendar, 6 1/4" x 5 1/4" ISBN #4460 They have datebooks, journals, as well as a "locker" calendar. It is at http://www.cedco.com - anyone ever here of them or the calendar? Rowena ni Dhonnchaidh _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:53:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19536 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:53:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Nfd18930; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:23:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Cjs11007; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:12:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03It1s08583 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.26.2103831a (18405) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:54:55 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <26.2103831a.296602ff@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_26.2103831a.296602ff_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:54:55 EST Status: RO --part1_26.2103831a.296602ff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No problem. I have spent my fabric allowance and then some at Fabric.com and will have to just wait a while before drooling over any more fabric. Thanks, Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_26.2103831a.296602ff_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No problem.  I have spent my fabric allowance and then some at Fabric.com and will have to just wait a while before drooling over any more fabric.  Thanks,

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--part1_26.2103831a.296602ff_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:53:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19540 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:53:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Nmd18949; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:23:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041HBs12861; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx01.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03MF5s25287 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:15:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.241.42.43] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 61871346 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 17:22:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020103032127.86490.qmail@web20301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020103032127.86490.qmail@web20301.mail.yahoo.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finally...I have found my true sewing New Year's Resolution Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:14:57 -0500 Status: RO It sounds lovely! And what a great resolution! Does Hot Potatoes have an online site? The velvet sounds yummy, and I'd love to look at the stamps.... It was my impression that hot-stamping washes out and needs to be re-done- am I wrong about that? Anyway, it sounds marvellous! I've made the Nomad Dress myself a few times, and it's very comfortable and easy to move in, so I think it's a great choice. -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:53:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19544 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:53:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Nmd18948; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:23:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041HGs12911; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldaccessnet.com (bluedot.worldaccessnet.com [207.14.97.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g03Mnns12530 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:49:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 22183 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 22:54:03 -0000 Received: from max6-09.worldaccessnet.com (HELO premiombquant) (207.14.99.161) by mail.worldaccessnet.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 22:54:03 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c194aa$21ce3d80$4ebbfea9@premiombquant> From: "Sidne Kneeland" To: , "historic costume" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020102134423.02acd0c0@pop.ravenmist.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C19467.11EEF5A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Re: masked ball costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:58:14 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C19467.11EEF5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, Yes, I just looked. It's the masked Parisian Cabaret for Young at Art = members. There an exhibition preview with reception ($100 per person)_ = or the ball and reception ($300 per person). Here is a link for the Young at Art one: http://www.pam.org/museum%20plaza/calendar%20and%20events/calendar%20and%= 20events.html I received a card with an elaborate mask on it and it said 'Le Bal = Masque.' I did see the admission prices but didn't pay much attention. = I wondered what a _real_ masked ball was like, since they seem to have = them at the Art Museum yearly. We are members, as a family, but not = THAT much members. Sidne/ Estrelda in the SCA If it's the masked Parisian Cabaret you are speaking of, it is just a = formal, not costumed and the masks are pretty much whatever you want! If you talking about another one, let me know! -Giliana ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C19467.11EEF5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,
 
Yes, I just looked.  It's the masked Parisian = Cabaret for Young at Art members.  There an exhibition preview with = reception ($100 per person)_ or the ball and reception ($300 per person). 
 
Here is a link for the Young at Art one:  =
 
I received a card with an elaborate mask on it and = it said 'Le Bal Masque.'  I did see the admission prices but didn't pay much attention.  I wondered what a _real_ masked ball was like, since = they seem to have them at the Art Museum yearly.   We are members, as a = family, but not THAT much members. 
 
Sidne/
Estrelda in the SCA
 
If it's the masked = Parisian Cabaret you are speaking of, it is just a formal, not costumed and the masks = are pretty much whatever you want!

If you talking about another = one, let me know!

-Giliana

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C19467.11EEF5A0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:53:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19548 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:53:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041OGd19004; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:24:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041HZs13098; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g040QAs25189 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:26:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g040Qgu12723 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:26:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020103181810.00a994b0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery In-Reply-To: References: <3C33DBCE.B9A72FE2@faucet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:21:06 -0600 Status: RO At 09:25 AM 1/3/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Alternatively, there is a lacing method that produces only horizontals, >and it may explain the occasional appearance of the horizontal-row lacings >(which seem to me to be primarily a German feature and occasionally >Burgundian, but I haven't examined this issue in detail). The lacing >method uses hooks or rings at the edge or just inside the inside edge of >the fabric. You lace straight across, then (on the inside) go up one, then >lace back across, then go up one, and so on. I've never done this myself, >and it would seem to me that this is not something that could take a lot >of stress, but would be sufficient to keep an overdress lying flat and >organized. Actually, when I was in the military we used to lace our boots with the straight across lacing and never had any problems with it. I've also seen it done on Italian gowns effective. It was nick-named "ladder lacing" on some email lists. This page has a reasonable explanation of one way of doing it. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/lacing/lacing.html Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:54:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19553 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:54:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Oxd19143; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041H6s12813; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (sm0101.promedia.net [208.131.40.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Lsps15520 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:54:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from gateway (ppp-208-171-196-100.01.promedia.net [208.171.196.100]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g03Lswv10376 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:54:58 -0800 Message-ID: <008601c194a1$abc8e5c0$64c4abd0@mshome.net> From: "Joan Broneske" To: References: <054f01c193ec$c3418320$4905fea9@jeanne> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A different perspective on LOTR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:57:42 -0800 Status: RO I mean no offense or to be insensitive, but it looks like you have more than issues with "gore and ick"! I can't stand horror or hacker/slasher movies, they give me nightmares, but "Raiders of the Lost Ark" causing you to have to go to the hospital and "LOTR" making you throw up? My Goodness! I don't know how I would survive life, if I was that sensitive! ,%%%, Joan Broneske --==% `%%%, unicorn@softcom.net |' )`%%, \_/\ @%%, __@@" %%%--"""-.%, /`__| \%% \\ \ / | /'%, \] | /----'. < `%, || `>> > || ///` /( //( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Harney" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: [h-cost] A different perspective on LOTR > Well, I have issues with blood and gore and ick. I know that. It cost > me $304.28 plus admission price to see "Raiders of the Lost Ark" as > that's what the ambulance cost after I passed out. So...even though I'd > been warned, by people who know my tolerance and love me, I went off to > see LOTR yesterday. I didn't pass out. However, I left the theatre > twice to throw up, and continued doing so for about 2 hours after the > movie. I can't tell you many costume details, because I was pretty > miserable and my head was buried in my husband's chest. We were with a > group, and we drove another couple, so leaving wasn't in the picture, > darn it. I'm HORRIBLY upset with myself. I was dumb. But I'd been > waiting *30* years for someone to do the movies right... > Somehow I don't think the 2 sequels are in my future. > Jeanne > hating that she's a wimp. > "English doesn't borrow from other languages - English follows other > languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their > pockets > for loose grammar." -- Anonymous _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:55:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19560 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:55:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Gwd18266; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Gss12682; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:16:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepF.post.tele.dk (fepF.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03K3js15983 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:03:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.10]) by fepF.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020103200344.YMGC1982.fepF.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:03:44 +0100 Message-ID: <3C34B93D.80608@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] listmembermeting Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:04:13 +0100 Status: RO Hello Today i had a meting with another h-costume listmember, my very first meting with another costume friend: Barbara Maren Winkler from Berlin, Germany. She had asked me some time ago, if i would like to met her if she came to Copenhagen. That she did, and we met at the railroad station. She broaght with her her little daughter, very charming and patiente little girl. We went to a cafe and had coffe, and we had a very long chat talking lace, embroidery and costume. Barbara showed me some costumes she had made and whe also had taken photos of a visit she had taken to UZBEKISTAN, where they make the finest gold embroidery you would ever imagine. It was photos from a workshop. Later we went to a shop to buy some bobbins she was going to use in the lace class at Penny Ladniers Costume Gallery. There i had a very fine chat to the lady who has the shop about gold embroidery. I had taken my goldembroidery for the costume i make for myself with me to show Barbara, now i showed it to the lady in the shop also. Would you know? she actually sells this goldthread in the shop! I was very surprised of that, and she also carries the gold sequins i use! The best thing of it all was, that i learned what a buillon thread is called in Danish. I had no idea about that. It is called Kantille thread. In many ways today was a very special day, it was very lucky we went to that shop. Now i dont have to import from America any more, she imports from England, Benton and Johnson. Barbara is travelling home again tomorrow. It was very special and lovely to talk to her. Many greetings Bjarne in a cold frosty Copenhagen. -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:56:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19567 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:56:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Gsd18259; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Gds12544; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:16:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03JY9s29862 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:34:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2ivfo4b.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.224.139] helo=[165.247.225.116]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16MDcu-0001o0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 14:34:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C33B4C2.8D5D49F2@earthlink.net> References: <200112270112.RAA29874@artemis.directcon.net> <3C33B4C2.8D5D49F2@earthlink.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:21:28 -0800 Status: RO At 7:32 PM -0600 1/2/02, Magdalena wrote: >So, I'm curious. Did you draft one with neck gussets, or without? I've been >researching and playing with period shirts for a while now, and I've >come to the >conclusion that I like ones with neck gussets much better. They seem to have >been made both with and without, but I find that the neck gusset eliminates >pulling and makes gathering to the neckband much easier. What's your >experience? This reminds me that I made a 16th-century shirt for an honorary "brother" of mine, who informed me after a while that it was uncomfortable to wear because it didn't have a back yoke. He pointed out that, if a shirt is merely gathered into the neckline at the back, there is extra fullness at the upper back shoulder line that tends to migrate toward the front, causing the sleeves to twist. This tightens the shirt in the upper arm area, which he finds uncomfortable. I've noticed the same tendency for the sleeves to twist in my own shirts, but what I didn't realize is that since my shoulders slope, there's still plenty of ease in that area, so it doesn't bother me if the upper sleeves are twisted. He has shoulders that are wider and much more square than mine, so there isn't as much ease. A back yoke, even just a couple of inches deep, helps this problem considerably, since it holds the fullness back and prevents it being pulled forward over the arm. However, I have no idea whether shirts in the 16th century had this problem, or if so, how they solved it. Anyone else have this experience? -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:56:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19573 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:56:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041I4d18399; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:18:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Hvs13270; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g040rHs04631 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:53:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:52:43 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8D95@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C194BA.2FC19C10" Subject: [h-cost] Needlework resolutions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:53:12 -0800 Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C194BA.2FC19C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I made 3 needlework resolutions (actually they were the only resolutions I made at all): * No solid fashion fabrics -- I find that if I dont force myself, I tend to choose solid fabrics because they are somehow "safe". Whether this means safe from long fabric searches, safe from the snarks, safe from my own self-critique doesnt really matter. Thus I am resolved to head for stripes, plaids, brocades, paisley, whatever. (Monochrome damask weaves still count as "solid" and will be put aside this year.) * Work lighter -- Coming at historic costume thru the Victorian door, I find a tendancy to over-structure garments. Many times this isnt bad, especially in corsets, tailored jackets, & evening bodices that last thru many wearings. This year I'm resolved to lighten up & work in airy fabrics & styles that require a gentle hand, new techniques and less room in the closet. * Finish my 31st quilt with a 3-D design. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo ------_=_NextPart_001_01C194BA.2FC19C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I made 3 needlework resolutions (actually they were the only resolutions I made at all):
 * No solid fashion fabrics -- I find that if I dont force myself, I tend to choose solid fabrics because they are somehow "safe". Whether this means safe from long fabric searches, safe from the snarks, safe from my own self-critique doesnt really matter.  Thus I am resolved to head for stripes, plaids, brocades, paisley, whatever. (Monochrome damask weaves still count as "solid" and will be put aside this year.)
 * Work lighter -- Coming at historic costume thru the Victorian door, I find a tendancy to over-structure garments.  Many times this isnt bad, especially in corsets, tailored jackets, & evening bodices that last thru many wearings.  This year I'm resolved to lighten up & work in airy fabrics & styles that require a gentle hand, new techniques and less room in the closet.
 * Finish my 31st quilt with a 3-D design.
--cin
Cynthia in Tokyo
------_=_NextPart_001_01C194BA.2FC19C10-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:59:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19592 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:59:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041HLd18306; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041H3s12779; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Lris15004 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:53:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.118]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020103215341.CASG11568.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:53:41 +0100 Message-ID: <3C34D303.8070908@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] lace-bunny Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:54:11 +0100 Status: RO Hello Someone on the lace list sended this charming little rabbit or hare? who makes lace : http://www.porterfieldsfineart.com/MelindaCopper/thelacemaker.htm -- I thoaght you should se it also :-) Bjarne Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 20:00:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19605 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:00:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Gld18244; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Ggs12583; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:16:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Jlcs06756 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:47:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.165] (as3-4-179.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.165]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g03JlXI17554 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:47:33 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a201c1943e$ec87f1e0$a4dbf1c3@henk> References: <0Xb$AEAc5KM8Iw3A@montgomerie.demon.co.uk><006901c1934e$66e37780$12250218@ chstfld1.va.home.com> <00a201c1943e$ec87f1e0$a4dbf1c3@henk> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors 2002 Predictions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:48:24 -0800 Status: RO At 10:33 AM +0100 1/3/02, Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote: >Hi Heather, > >You wrote: > >One of the more significant >"explosions" in color words in European languages seems to have >paralleled the growth of a medieval cloth industry that involved >regular, long-distance trade in dyed cloth. It doesn't seem to have >been so much the ability to reliably produce particular colors and >shades, but the desire to be able to label these different colors and >shades for commercial purposes. > >That's a very interesting obseravtion. Do you know of any literature >about this? Up to now (as you know I 'do' 1250-1350) I have not >found many colour names in 'my' period, just (in translation) red, >darkred or carmine, blue and darkblue (perse), 'brun' ( a problem >colour in the way of describing it properly), green, grey, black, >uncoloured and mixed, and very rarely purple. No yellow to speak off. The most convenient single-source volume for recent color-term linguistic studies is "Color Categories in Thought and Language" edited by C.L. Hardin and Luisa Maffi (Cambridge University Press, 1997). The specific article in the collection on the above topic is focusing on English color words: "Color shift: evolution of English color terms from brightness to hue" by Ronald W. Casson. But as with most academic articles, there are also lots of works in the bibliography for further pursuit. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 20:05:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19624 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:05:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Zad20136; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:35:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041ZXs18691; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:35:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g041Vts17552 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:31:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from modemcable035.48-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca (HELO pentium3) (24.200.48.35) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 01:31:56 -0000 Message-ID: <00de01c194bf$dd96da80$5030c818@WorkGroup> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: References: <002b01c19251$f7547c40$5030c818@WorkGroup> <3C3491CC.33D55D87@tds.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A new dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:33:50 -0500 Status: RO That was my guess, but it's not my period, so I was not 100% sure, and Peacock has a tendency to misdraw some things. It still doesn't change the fact that I'm not sure how to construct it :-) Though I'm starting to have a better idea... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie" To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] A new dress > Isn't that a bliaut?? > > Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I will be attending a "medieval wedding" this summer. (I don't think it'll > > be what *I* could call medieval, but hey, it's a good occasion to wear a > > costume ;-) > > > > So, I found this dress in Peacock. I know he's not a very good reference for > > periodness, but I love the dress (not the hat, I'll wear a veil and a > > circlet with flowers on my head) > > You can see it here. > > http://www.geocities.com/audreybmorin/Varia/dress.jpg > > > > I don't mind the dress not being 100% accurate, but if I can make it more > > period without making apparent alterations, I'd be happy. So now with my > > questions. > > > > Would you make it with underarm gussets? It is tight-fitting so could it be > > laced on the sides? I'm guessing it would probably be made with gores at the > > sides and back starting at hip level, but would you also put a gore in > > front? How do I obtain the right shape for the train? What shape would you > > make the sleeves? > > > > Are there any other things you can think of that would help me construct the > > dress? I've made a bunch of t-tunics already with different widths and > > shapes so making a dress without a pattern doesn't really scare me, but > > there are things like lacing or sleeves that I have never done yet. > > > > I'm thinking green silk. Crepe maybe, as it falls nicely and is not too > > shiny. Any other ideas for what kind of silk I could use? White linen > > underdress, with hidden lacing on the forearm so it's tight-fitting. It will > > be long enough that I'm not worried about shoes, so that's not a problem. > > I'll try to find false hair to make a very long braid out of and hide the > > attachment point under the veil, my hair is way too short to do anything > > with. > > > > Thanks a lot, > > Alix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 20:11:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19646 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:11:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041g4d20699; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:42:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041g1s20513; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041f0s20164 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27309 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:56:07 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020103181810.00a994b0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:56:07 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > At 09:25 AM 1/3/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >Alternatively, there is a lacing method that produces only horizontals, > >and it may explain the occasional appearance of the horizontal-row lacings > >(which seem to me to be primarily a German feature and occasionally > >Burgundian, but I haven't examined this issue in detail). The lacing > >method uses hooks or rings at the edge or just inside the inside edge of > >the fabric. You lace straight across, then (on the inside) go up one, then > >lace back across, then go up one, and so on. I've never done this myself, > >and it would seem to me that this is not something that could take a lot > >of stress, but would be sufficient to keep an overdress lying flat and > >organized. > > Actually, when I was in the military we used to lace our boots with the > straight across lacing and never had any problems with it. I've also seen > it done on Italian gowns effective. It was nick-named "ladder lacing" on > some email lists. This page has a reasonable explanation of one way of > doing it. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/lacing/lacing.html Did you do your boots with a single lace or a double? I know it works well with two laces going in opposite directions; the pressure balances. I'm not so sure how it would do with a single lace, which would put vertical pressure in only half the spaces. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 20:12:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19653 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:12:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Eud17992; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Ers11722; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:14:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03J2es12831 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:02:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.132.6dc2b22 (18405) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:02:29 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <132.6dc2b22.296604c5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_132.6dc2b22.296604c5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:02:29 EST Status: RO --part1_132.6dc2b22.296604c5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bravo Teddy! 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--part1_132.6dc2b22.296604c5_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 20:23:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19687 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:23:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041rZd21650; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:53:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041rVs23885; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:53:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.misc.com (dsl-6414918377.internetconnect.net [64.149.183.77] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041nUs22762 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:49:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA25303 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:55:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3C350B7D.6788102B@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] lace-bunny References: <3C34D303.8070908@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 17:55:09 -0800 Status: RO To Leif- Ooooh, thank you for sending this site to the list. This art is just adorable; take a look at the Gerbils on Stage, how perfect!!! The artist found just the right animal for the subject, for instance, Kitty on the Half Shell is over the top. Thank you, thank you. P.S. Happy New Year!!! Theresa Eacker Leif Drews wrote: > > Hello > Someone on the lace list sended this charming little rabbit or hare? who > makes lace : > http://www.porterfieldsfineart.com/MelindaCopper/thelacemaker.htm > > -- I thoaght you should se it also :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 20:38:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19749 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:38:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0428ad22960; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:08:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0428Ws28239; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:08:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from fargpop1.farg.uswest.net (fargpop1.farg.uswest.net [207.109.224.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0423vs26983 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:03:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 8250 invoked by alias); 4 Jan 2002 02:03:57 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-h-costume@indra.com@fixme Received: (qmail 8242 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2002 02:03:57 -0000 Received: from 185-24.farcpe.cableone.net (HELO kimathlon) (24.116.185.24) by fargpop1.farg.uswest.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 02:03:57 -0000 From: "Kim Baird" To: Message-ID: <001201c194c4$18ecfd90$6501a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <002a01c194a0$b5766d00$64c4abd0@mshome.net> Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] LOTR background Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:04:09 -0600 Status: RO To read about one Scandinavian influence on Tolkein, here is an article from National Geographic: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/12/1219_tolkienroots.html Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 20:56:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19800 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:56:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g042R4d25103; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:27:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g042R0s03729; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g042PZs03135 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:25:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from DarlaKDavis@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.10d.b416305 (3842) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:25:28 -0500 (EST) From: DarlaKDavis@aol.com Message-ID: <10d.b416305.29666c97@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] list member meeting To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10d.b416305.29666c97_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10556 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:25:27 EST Status: RO --part1_10d.b416305.29666c97_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/02 5:44:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > Barbara is travelling home again tomorrow. It was very special and > lovely to talk to her. > > Many greetings > > Bjarne in a cold frosty Copenhagen. > Bjarne, What a nice letter. I hope Barbara reads it too! Darla --part1_10d.b416305.29666c97_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/02 5:44:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes:


Barbara is travelling home again tomorrow. It was very special and
lovely to talk to her.

Many greetings

Bjarne in a cold frosty Copenhagen.  


Bjarne,  What a nice letter.  I hope Barbara reads it too!

Darla --part1_10d.b416305.29666c97_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 21:11:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19870 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:11:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g042fZd00571; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:41:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g042fWs08505; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:41:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20301.mail.yahoo.com (web20301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.82]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g042cVs07748 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:38:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020104023833.75830.qmail@web20301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.110.20] by web20301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:38:33 PST From: Joan Garner To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Permanent velvet stamping Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:38:33 -0800 (PST) Status: RO just visit www.hotpotatoes.com and all will become clear! It works, it's gorgeous and you can make fabulous gifts -- for Christmas I gave my sister-in-law an evening bag made from cobalt blue velvet stamped with a forget-me-not design that I then picked out in gold thread and champagne-colored seed beads. I don't know aboutpermanence -- I've never used it to make something that gets washed. They also now have stamp-able velvet ribbon. Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" --- sustre@pixelations.com wrote: > It sounds lovely! And what a great resolution! > > Does Hot Potatoes have an online site? The velvet > sounds yummy, and > I'd love to look at the stamps.... > > It was my impression that hot-stamping washes out > and needs to be > re-done- am I wrong about that? > > Anyway, it sounds marvellous! I've made the Nomad > Dress myself a few > times, and it's very comfortable and easy to move > in, so I think it's > a great choice. > > -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 21:26:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19909 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:26:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g042v6d02228; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:57:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g042v1s12897; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f203.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.203]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g042sRs12142 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:54:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:54:24 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.202 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 02:54:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.202] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 02:54:24.0909 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E3423D0:01C194CB] Subject: [h-cost] link? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:54:24 -0800 Status: RO Could someone please repost the link to the swap and sell community? My husband's computer ate it and I need to put up the pictures of the Elizabethan outfit. No, the beautiful teenaged daughter is not included. Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 21:38:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19931 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:38:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04395d03280; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:09:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04390s16551; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0438Js16289 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:08:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC621D3036C; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:07:14 -0600 Message-ID: <011101c194cc$d5238a80$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3C34B93D.80608@post12.tele.dk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] listmembermeting X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:06:30 -0500 Status: RO Oh, Bjarne how lovely to go on a shopping trip. Barbara is one lucky lady!!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 21:50:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19974 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:50:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g043L6d04014; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:21:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g043L0s19840; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g043J5s19337 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:19:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from kat.optonline.net (ool-18bbaa6a.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.170.106]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GPE004HK97UO8@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:19:08 -0500 (EST) From: Purple Kat Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts In-reply-to: <3AA3056A0@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-Sender: purplkat@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020103221329.00cf87e0@mail.optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <200201021906.g02J6AZ01515@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:19:29 -0500 Status: RO If I may add my 2 cents here -- speaking from a woman's perspective -- I sometimes wear shirts that are *way* too long for me. When I wear a skirt it is no problem, but when I am wearing any type of pants/ slacks/ trousers I generally pull the center back of the shirt through the middle of my legs, and with the front of the shirt unbuttoned I pull the 2 front "tails" through to the back *over* the back piece. This sometimes adds an extra bit of *lumpiness* to the crotch area, but with a little bit of moving, and a little but of *pouffing* on the shirt's part, everything looks great. also, I remember seeing a book with the different months portrayed, and IIRC one of the pics has a man bent over showing his backside. it looks IIRC like he is wearing a "diaper/ nappy" with his shirt tucked into it. Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 21:56:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19994 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:56:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g043R4d04396; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:27:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g043R0s21461; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f140.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.140]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g043Pas21145 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:25:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:25:33 -0800 Received: from 164.58.10.125 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 03:25:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.58.10.125] From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 03:25:33.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[77E6A570:01C194CF] Subject: [h-cost] Ladder Lacing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:25:32 -0600 Status: RO If I may - this is the traditional form of ladder lacing on shoes. http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe2/IMAGES/LACE.GIF Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 22:30:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20110 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:30:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04415d07359; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:01:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04410s00998; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g043x5s00482 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:59:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g043xcu07351 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:59:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020103215802.00a8a360@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] link? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:58:18 -0600 Status: RO Is this what you are looking for? http://www.communityzero.com/ Cheers, Danielle At 06:54 PM 1/3/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Could someone please repost the link to the swap and sell community? My >husband's computer ate it and I need to put up the pictures of the >Elizabethan outfit. No, the beautiful teenaged daughter is not included. > > >Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 22:30:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20114 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:30:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0441Od07406; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:01:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0441Js01088; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:01:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g043x5s00484 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:59:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g043xcu07358 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:59:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020103215835.00a3d1b0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020103181810.00a994b0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:01:18 -0600 Status: RO At 08:56 PM 1/3/2002 -0600, you wrote: >On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > > At 09:25 AM 1/3/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > >Alternatively, there is a lacing method that produces only horizontals, > > >and it may explain the occasional appearance of the horizontal-row lacings > > >(which seem to me to be primarily a German feature and occasionally > > >Burgundian, but I haven't examined this issue in detail). The lacing > > >method uses hooks or rings at the edge or just inside the inside edge of > > >the fabric. You lace straight across, then (on the inside) go up one, then > > >lace back across, then go up one, and so on. I've never done this myself, > > >and it would seem to me that this is not something that could take a lot > > >of stress, but would be sufficient to keep an overdress lying flat and > > >organized. > > > > Actually, when I was in the military we used to lace our boots with the > > straight across lacing and never had any problems with it. I've also seen > > it done on Italian gowns effective. It was nick-named "ladder lacing" on > > some email lists. This page has a reasonable explanation of one way of > > doing > it. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/lacing/lacing.html > >Did you do your boots with a single lace or a double? I know it works well >with two laces going in opposite directions; the pressure balances. I'm >not so sure how it would do with a single lace, which would put vertical >pressure in only half the spaces. > >--Robin It was kind of odd - both really. You start the lace normally across the bottom holes and then draw one end (you need to make it much shorter than the other) up the inside to the top hole and then out. The other end of the lace you treat like a single lace in that fashion and when you get to the top you tie your ends together like normal. It worked out to be the right number of holes on our boots - I don't know if that would work on all things... Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 22:33:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20125 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:33:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04443d07642; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:04:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0443xs01951; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:03:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g043x6s00492 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:59:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g043xdu07363 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:59:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020103220219.00a86070@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladder Lacing In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:03:21 -0600 Status: RO At 09:25 PM 1/3/2002 -0600, you wrote: >If I may - this is the traditional form of ladder lacing on shoes. > >http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe2/IMAGES/LACE.GIF > >Marc You're right Marc. That is right - I had misremembered. I just realized it's been almost 7 years since I've had to lace boots that way.... Oh my! Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 22:34:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20133 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:34:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04454d07769; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:05:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04451s02277; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0441ts01240 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:01:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2235.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.235]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27189 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:01:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3528C0.C98412D4@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] redingote References: <3C2FED56.9010009@accessus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:00:00 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. Karen, I can't speak for either of the patterns, but if you don't mind a little extra work in enlarging a graphed pattern, you can get a booklet inexpensively from Parks Canada entitled "Man's Coat 1730-1750, a visual guide to cut and construction". It was produced for sale at the Fortress of Louisbourg and has a lot of good historical and construction details that you don't get with modern patterns. The pattern and costruction details are based on originals from assorted museums, and you have the added benefit of supporting a good cause. The ISBN is 0-662-23532-0. I think I got mine from a gift shop in Williamsburg, but a few 18th Cent. Sutlers carry them. Good Luck, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 22:43:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20154 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:43:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g044Ded08334; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:13:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044DZs04875; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:13:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044ADs03890 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:10:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p37-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.192.37]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA10034 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:10:12 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p37-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.192.37] claimed to be user Message-ID: <002001c194d4$d9c92420$25c0adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <3DF9C5FD4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR - Galadriel's frock. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:04:03 +1300 Status: RO > What it's actually made of is ireelevant. It *looks* like the "lace" > fabric that started appearing on market stalls (here at least) in the > 80s, some of which comes pre-sequinned. Oh I'm sorry, I thought your many emails on the subject denoted some sort of importance to the subject. You see what you see, sure, but do look again: First Impressions was the original title for Pride and Prejudice after all. Wasn't the original thread about working out how the costumes were made anyway? michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 23:03:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20199 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:03:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g044W4d09569; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:32:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044W0s10590; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044V6s10147 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:31:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28233 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:46:15 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladder Lacing In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020103220219.00a86070@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:46:15 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Marc wrote: > >If I may - this is the traditional form of ladder lacing on shoes. > > > >http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe2/IMAGES/LACE.GIF Danielle replied: > You're right Marc. That is right - I had misremembered. I just realized > it's been almost 7 years since I've had to lace boots that way.... Oh my! Now this one I know. It's like a spiral lace, but double-ended, with the end that isn't spiraling brought up crosswise to balance the diagonal pull of the spiral. I've seen that before (and I think I may have even seen it on some bodice in a painting). So that's very different from the right-angled zigzag we were postulating for the weird lacing representation in the calendar picture. That, done with a single lace, probably wouldn't be able to hold a lot of stress without making the laced edges pull and bunch in awkward ways. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 23:25:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20281 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:25:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g044v4d11195; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:57:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044v0s17505; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044sWs16740 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:54:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.69]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020104045433.JXEQ27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:54:33 -0600 Message-ID: <3C353553.3DE6F8AD@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Matching thread? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:53:39 -0600 Status: RO I need to go to Wally World tomorrow cause I don't have the right shade of green threat to attach the trim to my new dress and I wondered..."Did they worry about matching thread back then?" I mean do you think the dyed threat with material so that they matched, or was thread just thread?? Katie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 23:26:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20287 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:26:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g044vEd11208; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:57:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044vAs17557; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:57:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044uRs17199 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:56:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28350 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:11:36 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gothic Sculputer In-Reply-To: <3C3488D0.7198C133@tds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:11:36 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Katie wrote: > I went wandering around that site and found this.. > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/zgothic/gothic/2/index.html > > look at the "Wise Virgins" and note the pleating/gathering > of fabric going from under the arm to the waist. > > Do you think this is the construction of the garment?? My GOD these are weird. I've never seen anything like this. I'd think pleats before gathers, and I've seen something similar on cloaks, but under the arm? It would sure make fullness in a surcote, but it could also mean a lot of excess fabric in the sides and not enough in front and back. It says 1245, Cathedral, Magdeburg. Where is that? (Yeah, I could go look it up, and I suppose I will eventually.) The faces on the sculptures look German in style. Maybe it's a regional thing. If this is accurate, and at all widespread, it would mean a lot of rethinking for me. But the Wise Virgins are about as reliable as the Virgin Mary as costume sources, meaning ... sometimes. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 23:29:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20297 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:29:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04506d11424; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:00:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04501s18324; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044vqs17767 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:57:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28365 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:13:01 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A new dress In-Reply-To: <3C3491CC.33D55D87@tds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:13:01 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Katie wrote: > Isn't that a bliaut?? I think it thinks it's a bliaut. For Peacock, it's not as awful as a lot of his other stuff. --Robin > Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I will be attending a "medieval wedding" this summer. (I don't think it'll > > be what *I* could call medieval, but hey, it's a good occasion to wear a > > costume ;-) > > > > So, I found this dress in Peacock. I know he's not a very good reference for > > periodness, but I love the dress (not the hat, I'll wear a veil and a > > circlet with flowers on my head) > > You can see it here. > > http://www.geocities.com/audreybmorin/Varia/dress.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 23:35:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20321 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:35:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0456dd12018; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:06:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0456Ys19880; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:06:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0452Ys18986 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:02:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.69]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020104050235.KCQH27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:02:36 -0600 Message-ID: <3C353736.15C74BCA@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? References: <3C353553.3DE6F8AD@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:01:42 -0600 Status: RO Man I need sleep replace all "threat"s with "thread" Sorry about that Katie wrote: > > I need to go to Wally World tomorrow cause I don't have the right > shade of green threat to attach the trim to my new dress and I > wondered..."Did they worry about matching thread back then?" > > I mean do you think the dyed threat with material so that they matched, > or was thread just thread?? > > Katie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 23:53:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20371 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:53:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045P5d13454; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:25:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045P0s24791; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045MHs24063 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:22:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.69]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020104052219.YGVC14468.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:22:19 -0600 Message-ID: <3C353BD4.C80976A@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gothic Sculputer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:21:24 -0600 Status: RO I put Magdeburg in google and one of the links says "Messe Magdeburg, mitten in Deutschland" and if I remember the little German I learned the 2 years I lived there I think "mitten" means middle. But hey you saw my post about thread, so I wouldn't bet the farm on it...even if I had a farm. *L* Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Katie wrote: > > > I went wandering around that site and found this.. > > > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/zgothic/gothic/2/index.html > > > > look at the "Wise Virgins" and note the pleating/gathering > > of fabric going from under the arm to the waist. > > > > Do you think this is the construction of the garment?? > > My GOD these are weird. I've never seen anything like this. I'd think > pleats before gathers, and I've seen something similar on cloaks, but > under the arm? It would sure make fullness in a surcote, but it could also > mean a lot of excess fabric in the sides and not enough in front and back. > > It says 1245, Cathedral, Magdeburg. Where is that? (Yeah, I could go look > it up, and I suppose I will eventually.) The faces on the sculptures look > German in style. > > Maybe it's a regional thing. If this is accurate, and at all widespread, > it would mean a lot of rethinking for me. But the Wise Virgins are about > as reliable as the Virgin Mary as costume sources, meaning ... sometimes. > > --Robin > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 23:59:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20390 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:59:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045V4d13790; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:31:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045V0s26435; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045SRs25659 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:28:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m166.in-tch.com [216.166.191.166]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g045H8r27044 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:17:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C353E5C.25345251@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gothic Sculputer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:32:12 -0700 Status: RO Could it be a result of the same sort of into-the-armpit gores you see on recreations of those "10-gore" dresses? There doesn't look to be a great deal of extra fullness lower down on the dresses, though..... Magdeburg's in Germany (Saxony, to be more precise). The cathedral in question was started in 1208 by Albert II, and not finished for 156 years, so who knows the actual dates for the statuary . Another website I looked at refers to Magdeburg as the state capital of the German state of Sachsen-Anhalt. It's apparently on the river Elbe... Here's a link with more pictures of the town and the cathedral: http://www.green-basketball.de/magdeburg-engl.htm Gawd, ain't Google handy --Sue Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Katie wrote: > > > I went wandering around that site and found this.. > > > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/zgothic/gothic/2/index.html > > > > look at the "Wise Virgins" and note the pleating/gathering > > of fabric going from under the arm to the waist. > > > > Do you think this is the construction of the garment?? > > My GOD these are weird. I've never seen anything like this. I'd think > pleats before gathers, and I've seen something similar on cloaks, but > under the arm? It would sure make fullness in a surcote, but it could also > mean a lot of excess fabric in the sides and not enough in front and back. > > It says 1245, Cathedral, Magdeburg. Where is that? (Yeah, I could go look > it up, and I suppose I will eventually.) The faces on the sculptures look > German in style. > > Maybe it's a regional thing. If this is accurate, and at all widespread, > it would mean a lot of rethinking for me. But the Wise Virgins are about > as reliable as the Virgin Mary as costume sources, meaning ... sometimes. > > --Robin > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:00:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20402 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:00:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045VDd13802; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:31:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045V9s26483; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:31:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045Sds25766 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:28:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.69]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020104052841.YKCG14468.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:28:41 -0600 Message-ID: <3C353D53.122129E@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A new dress References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:27:47 -0600 Status: RO Well the one I was making from the Wingeo pattern was a total mess. I bought more material and cheated doing the fold/cut/sew/hem method. Using one of my kirtles for the fitted upper sleeves/upper body part, and the sleeve from the pattern to get the "swooping" sleeve. I will be wearing it to 12th Night for my Barony on Saturday and will get some pics. If any one wants to see what I came up with let me know. I know it will not be "period" construction, but hey if I can fake it I will. *L* Katie A blonde always looking for short cuts.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:02:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20414 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:02:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045Xmd14132; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:33:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045Xis27375; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:33:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045Uxs26424 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:30:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m166.in-tch.com [216.166.191.166]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g045Jpr27877 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:19:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C353F10.1149CB0A@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A new dress References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:35:12 -0700 Status: RO ROTFLMAO....good thing I'm not drinking tea at this hour of the night, or I'd be wiping it off my monitor ;-P --Sue Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Katie wrote: > > > Isn't that a bliaut?? > > I think it thinks it's a bliaut. For Peacock, it's not as awful as a lot > of his other stuff. > > --Robin > > > Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I will be attending a "medieval wedding" this summer. (I don't think it'll > > > be what *I* could call medieval, but hey, it's a good occasion to wear a > > > costume ;-) > > > > > > So, I found this dress in Peacock. I know he's not a very good reference for > > > periodness, but I love the dress (not the hat, I'll wear a veil and a > > > circlet with flowers on my head) > > > You can see it here. > > > http://www.geocities.com/audreybmorin/Varia/dress.jpg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:05:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20427 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:05:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045b5d14450; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:37:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045axs28359; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:36:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045XPs27281 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:33:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m166.in-tch.com [216.166.191.166]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g045MGr28976 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:22:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C353FA0.B2CDA88E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gothic Sculputer References: <3C353BD4.C80976A@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:37:37 -0700 Status: RO What got me some Kewl Stuff (tm) with Google was entering Magdeburg, and then doing an advanced search, using "cathedral," and specifying "English language," since the only few words I know in German are -uhm- scatalogical.... [actually costume related....taught to me by a german lady with whom I worked in a costume shop a long time ago) --Sue Katie wrote: > > I put Magdeburg in google and one of the links says > "Messe Magdeburg, mitten in Deutschland" and if I > remember the little German I learned the 2 years I > lived there I think "mitten" means middle. But hey > you saw my post about thread, so I wouldn't bet the > farm on it...even if I had a farm. *L* > > Robin Netherton wrote: > > > > On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Katie wrote: > > > > > I went wandering around that site and found this.. > > > > > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/zgothic/gothic/2/index.html > > > > > > look at the "Wise Virgins" and note the pleating/gathering > > > of fabric going from under the arm to the waist. > > > > > > Do you think this is the construction of the garment?? > > > > My GOD these are weird. I've never seen anything like this. I'd think > > pleats before gathers, and I've seen something similar on cloaks, but > > under the arm? It would sure make fullness in a surcote, but it could also > > mean a lot of excess fabric in the sides and not enough in front and back. > > > > It says 1245, Cathedral, Magdeburg. Where is that? (Yeah, I could go look > > it up, and I suppose I will eventually.) The faces on the sculptures look > > German in style. > > > > Maybe it's a regional thing. If this is accurate, and at all widespread, > > it would mean a lot of rethinking for me. But the Wise Virgins are about > > as reliable as the Virgin Mary as costume sources, meaning ... sometimes. > > > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:09:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20433 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:09:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045efd14733; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:40:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045ebs29757; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:40:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g045aus28329 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:36:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20632 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 05:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.236.74) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 05:36:56 -0000 Message-ID: <3C353FC7.C51E8F1F@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladder Lacing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:38:15 -0600 Status: RO Thanks to all for explaining different forms of ladder lacing to me! > Marc wrote: > > >If I may - this is the traditional form of ladder lacing on shoes. > > > > > >http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe2/IMAGES/LACE.GIF Yes indeed (though I didn't learn to lace my shoes that way until I went to Ireland). I don't know that this is what is taking place on these bodices (not that you said it was, of course), because you'd still end up with diagonals across the open space behind. Robin Netherton wrote: > > So that's very different from the right-angled zigzag we were postulating > for the weird lacing representation in the calendar picture. That, done > with a single lace, probably wouldn't be able to hold a lot of stress > without making the laced edges pull and bunch in awkward ways. I would tend to agree, though I've never tried it. Is this what's happening in the Cranach pictures and other Germans with horizontal laces? The edges must have been boned, because the gowns look very closely fitted. See http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/c/cranach/lucas_e/3/ the "Saxon Princesses Sibylla, Emilia and Sidonia," two of which have spiral lacing with diagonals connecting and one of which has ladder-looking-lacing. kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > The diagonals are on the back side of the lacings. It was actually a > very common lacing pattern. On the back side of the lacings? I'm not sure what you mean by this. When the edges to be laced do not meet, the back side of the lacing would also be visible. Thanks again for all the interesting discussion! Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:09:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20441 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:09:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045etd14761; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045ees29781; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:40:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g045aFs28022 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:36:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20487 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 05:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.236.74) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 05:36:18 -0000 Message-ID: <3C353FA1.47658E0C@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:37:36 -0600 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > > I noticed the same thing last week when I put up my calendar, and decided > that these are probably just a poor rendering. One of the things I'm > wondering is how much the image has been enlarged. This is a good point, but everything else looks fairly detailed, so I don't think it can have been enlarged too terribly much. I'm willing to go with painter error. > In this case, on the turbaned lady, I think we do have an impression of > the diagonals, but very sketchy and not accurately placed: they appear as > shadowy pale red horizontal lines in the white space between the dominant > laces. I interpreted these lines as the shadows cast by the laces on the underlayer. I'm not sure I would agree with them being an inaccurate rendering of diagonals. > But I wouldn't read a whole lot into the use of laces with a gathered > overgarment. This is an altarpiece, and these are almost certainly > Biblical/historial figures. True enough, and yet I'm still curious about Botticelli's "Young Woman" (the 2nd one here http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/botticel/portrait/index.html ). To be sure, her hair is rather...fanciful...but it is labelled as a portrait (ok, that probably doesn't mean anything!). I've always been curious about this dress, as it seems to be not only gathered into the neckline but also into the armscye. Any thoughts? Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:09:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20437 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:09:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045ebd14726; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:40:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045eXs29703; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:40:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g045ZNs27745 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:35:23 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20287 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 05:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.236.74) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 05:35:17 -0000 Message-ID: <3C353F63.AE168F8B@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gothic Sculpture References: <3C33DBCE.B9A72FE2@faucet.net> <3C3488D0.7198C133@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:36:35 -0600 Status: RO Katie wrote: > > I went wandering around that site and found this.. > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/zgothic/gothic/2/index.html > > look at the "Wise Virgins" and note the pleating/gathering > of fabric going from under the arm to the waist. > > Do you think this is the construction of the garment?? I've never actually seen this before. I'm not sure that it is directly related, as it's a couple of centuries earlier. I can't see the fronts very well, but I don't think these lace up there. They also look a little flat across the front, as if most of the fullness were coming from under the arm. I am curious about this gathering/pleating in the armpit. Does anyone know this construction? Other examples? Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:12:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20466 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:12:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045i6d14977; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:44:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045i2s00760; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045fCs29936 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:41:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumemag.com (co-trinidad1b-179.lbrlks.adelphia.net [24.49.1.179]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29722 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:39:28 -0600 Message-ID: <3C35430E.D7695646@costumemag.com> From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? References: <3C353553.3DE6F8AD@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:52:14 -0700 Status: RO My take is that construction thread was just thread. It was linen, for the most part. I'd suspect (with nothing to prove it) that for sewing on ornamentation, some sort of "embroidery" thread may have been used, possibly silk. The color matching fetish is a gift from the Victorians. No supporting documentation, just an educated guess. MD/MArged _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:18:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20486 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:18:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045o5d15349; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:50:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045o1s02438; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045ngs02360 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:49:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.69]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020104054944.LCRW27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:49:44 -0600 Message-ID: <3C354242.CDD64818@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? References: <3C353553.3DE6F8AD@tds.net> <3C35430E.D7695646@costumemag.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:48:50 -0600 Status: RO So the beige threat I have might actually be more "in tune" then going and buying matching green thread? *L* Katie Mary Denise Smith wrote: > > My take is that construction thread was just thread. It was linen, for > the most part. I'd suspect (with nothing to prove it) that for sewing on > ornamentation, some sort of "embroidery" thread may have been used, > possibly silk. The color matching fetish is a gift from the Victorians. > > No supporting documentation, just an educated guess. > > MD/MArged _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:24:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20511 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:24:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045u5d15699; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:56:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045u1s03922; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045rls03422 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:53:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.69]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020104055349.LFKQ27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:53:49 -0600 Message-ID: <3C354337.1FFB47F7@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? References: <3C353553.3DE6F8AD@tds.net> <3C35430E.D7695646@costumemag.com> <3C354242.CDD64818@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:52:55 -0600 Status: RO What is it with me and the word threaD tonight???????? Katie wrote: > > So the beige threat I have might actually be more "in tune" then > going and buying matching green thread? *L* > > Katie > > Mary Denise Smith wrote: > > > > My take is that construction thread was just thread. It was linen, for > > the most part. I'd suspect (with nothing to prove it) that for sewing on > > ornamentation, some sort of "embroidery" thread may have been used, > > possibly silk. The color matching fetish is a gift from the Victorians. > > > > No supporting documentation, just an educated guess. > > > > MD/MArged _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:27:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20521 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:27:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045wkd15799; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:58:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045wfs04664; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:58:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045tZs03823 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:55:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumemag.com (co-trinidad1b-179.lbrlks.adelphia.net [24.49.1.179]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA31209 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:53:51 -0600 Message-ID: <3C35466D.28400945@costumemag.com> From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? References: <3C353553.3DE6F8AD@tds.net> <3C35430E.D7695646@costumemag.com> <3C354242.CDD64818@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:06:38 -0700 Status: RO In paintings and in such originals as I have seen, I have not noticed a color contrast in the thread used to attach ornamentation. Think of it like this - the attaching thread is either "invisible" or part of the ornamentation. Robin? Jump in here! MD/Marged _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:27:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20525 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:27:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045x5d15835; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:59:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045x1s04749; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f131.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.131]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045vrs04448 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:57:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:57:51 -0800 Received: from 164.58.10.125 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 05:57:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.58.10.125] From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 05:57:51.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEA0AD20:01C194E4] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ladder Lacing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:57:51 -0600 Status: RO >From: Robin Netherton >Danielle: >>You're right Marc. That is right - I had misremembered. I just >> >>realized it's been almost 7 years since I've had to lace boots that >>way.... Oh my! Almost 15 for me, but it came up not long ago regarding lacing Oxfords correctly >Now this one I know. It's like a spiral lace, but double-ended, with >the >end that isn't spiraling brought up crosswise to balance the diagonal pull >of the spiral. I've seen that before (and I think I may have even seen it >on some bodice in a painting). > >So that's very different from the right-angled zigzag we were >postulating >for the weird lacing representation in the calendar picture. That, done >with a single lace, probably wouldn't be able to hold a lot of stress >without making the laced edges pull and bunch in awkward ways. I haven't seen the picture so I can't say. I know that this system works well with leather, and reinforced fabric -- something to stiffen things up a bit. Marc _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:42:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20571 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:42:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g046ECd17091; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:14:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046E6s08454; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:14:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046Dus08377 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:13:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from 56k-lnk-80.radiks.net ([206.29.243.82] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16MNc7-0005E7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 01:14:00 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104001105.02bc9120@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200201040209.g04290s28390@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: LOTR final credit quote Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 00:13:04 -0600 Status: RO I've managed to acquire the text for the LOTR final quote I asked about last week: "HE MIHI NUI HOKI KI NGA TANGATA WHENUS O AOTEAROA. MA RANGI RAUAKO PAPA TATOU E MAHAAKI, E TIAKI HEI HGA TAU E UT MAI NEI. Does this help? Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:48:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20579 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:48:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g046K5d17423; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:20:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046K0s09848; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046I9s09464 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:18:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28698 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:33:19 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? In-Reply-To: <3C35430E.D7695646@costumemag.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:33:19 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Mary Denise Smith wrote: > My take is that construction thread was just thread. It was linen, for > the most part. This is my understanding too. The last time I looked at this issue, which was a while ago, I came away with the impression that for seams, the default is undyed linen thread, meaning beige or off-white in most cases. I've seen that on a handful of artifacts, when I've remembered to look, and I've used it myself with success; if you're sewing fulled wool, the thread disappears in the depths of the fabric. There's certainly existing evidence of wool thread used for seams, too, though I don't know if it was routinely dyed, and I don't remember the wheres and whens offhand. Silk thread would typically be used only for silk fabric, for the very practical reason that it is stronger than other fibers and, if used on other fibers, can cut the seams over time. A longstanding option is to pull a thread from the edge of the fabric you're using and sew with that. Not so easy to do with most modern fabrics, but maybe more practical for strong handwoven fabrics. If your fabric is dyed, the thread would be the same color and fiber, of course. Of course, it's hard to tell with a lot of extant garments just what the thread was. Depending on the conditions they've experienced, the thread might have disintegrated (e.g. linen might disappear in some environments, like graves, while wool cloth remains, leaving only stitching holes to go by). This can skew our evidence. Items kept for their value (e.g. saints' relics, church vestments) might have been resewn at a later date. Heather would have a better read on this than I do, as extant items are her specialty. Decorative sewing may be different, as Mary Denise noted: > I'd suspect (with nothing to prove it) that for sewing on > ornamentation, some sort of "embroidery" thread may have been used, > possibly silk. That rings true to me, but I'm not the one to ask. This is one of many areas I've been meaning to get more solid information on. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 01:04:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20655 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:04:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g046Z5d18230; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:35:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046Z1s13507; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046W6s12739 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:32:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-17-115.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.17.115]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACK33977; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:32:07 GMT Message-ID: <013401c194ea$0e244280$f7274ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mano Mexican jacket MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:34:08 -0000 Status: RO > It is a good looking jacket. Too bad kids tend to keep on growing and growing and growing. Not just kids either -- it is a good thing I have just T-tunics and sideless surcoats in my garb wardrobe right now, because I sure overindulged over the holidays. Tee Hee My Victorian stuff "tells" me when I've overdone it ! Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 01:04:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20659 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:04:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g046ZLd18240; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:35:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046ZHs13555; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:35:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046WAs12763 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:32:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-17-115.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.17.115]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACK33975; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:32:05 GMT Message-ID: <013301c194ea$0d5ad800$f7274ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <004c01c19243$d4e92d80$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> <003f01c1935d$0d938da0$53114ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Anglo-Saxon burials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:33:11 -0000 Status: RO >Nice stuff! For myself, I'm having a blast making various pieces. If any turn out particularly well, I might make a few extra for sale myself, especially since we seem to be interested in different pieces. Let me know if you do I know most of the Anglo Saxons here in the UK Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 01:06:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20672 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:06:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g046c6d18372; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:38:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046c1s14326; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046Zis13697 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:35:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:35:11 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:35:39 -0800 Status: RO I did a mock up of the Medici suit over the summer. (Cosimo, I think; 1562-ish?) When I did it, I interpreted the dashed line in the codpiece pieces as a fold & sew arrangement. If the codpiece is a decorative fly stuffed with batting, this is reasonable. If the codpiece is a place for a guy to tuck his parts, then what is the dotted line on the pattern piece supposed to signify? --cin Cynthia in Tokyo who never actually made or wore a 16th c anything, but might someday > > In looking at the codpieces in Arnold, I'm confused as to their > > functionality. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 01:15:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20695 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:15:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g046l5d18847; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:47:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046l0s16773; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046ius16388 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:44:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28814 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:00:05 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery In-Reply-To: <3C353FA1.47658E0C@faucet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:00:05 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > True enough, and yet I'm still curious about Botticelli's "Young > Woman" (the 2nd one here > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/botticel/portrait/index.html ). To > be sure, her hair is rather...fanciful...but it is labelled as a > portrait (ok, that probably doesn't mean anything!). I've always been > curious about this dress, as it seems to be not only gathered into the > neckline but also into the armscye. Any thoughts? Not my period, and I really have no clue on what's happening on the front -- e.g. what's under, what's over, and whether those stripes are lacings or just decoration. But I do notice that the part of the bodice that seems gathered into the armscye is only the area connected to the sleeve. The edge of the armscye that forms the opening (where the chemise puffs out) is smooth. So maybe the armscye is pulled up a bit along that seam connecting the bodice to the shoulder of the sleeve? I should also note that Botticelli is known for treating clothing (and hair and other elements) rather imaginatively as served his own purposes, so I wouldn't take him to the bank. I'm sure that many of the bits he includes are realistic, but others aren't, and I don't feel competent to guess which are which. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 02:31:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08703 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:31:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04826d22436; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04820s03367; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f72.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.72]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0480Is03031 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:00:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:00:16 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.237 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 08:00:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.237] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] link? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 08:00:16.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8C51EA0:01C194F5] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 00:00:16 -0800 Status: RO >From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg >Is this what you are looking for? http://www.communityzero.com/ > >Cheers, >Danielle > >I need to put up the pictures of the >>Elizabethan outfit. >> >>Jennifer > Thank You!!! I did it!! I only put two up in general, but if anyone wants to see the other views I'll send them privately. Please let me know what you think of the gown. Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 03:06:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09197 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:06:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g048c6d24000; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:38:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g048c0s10714; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g048aas10435 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:36:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:36:34 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA4@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C194FA.D7FE0BD0" Subject: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:36:02 -0800 Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C194FA.D7FE0BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've always wanted one of those French merveilleuse style gowns... within limits of decency. I also love those descriptions of the French court, and diplomatic wives in their gold encrusted evening gowns. Happily the French werent quite so shy about color, if you flip thru "Modes Revolutionaires" and "Revolution in Fashion". In a fit of obsession, I've spent the last 6 days drafting, fitting & mocking up a gown. Mostly, I used the Norah Waugh book "Cut of Women's Clothes", diagram XXXV and photo #43 (2 different gowns). I'm at the final mockup wherein the gown is done up in fabrics close to the final in weight, fiber & hue. Idea is to check the hang, figure out real yardage needed, eyeball strongly patterned panels & borders and generally work thru problem areas. Here's my comments: * The gold brocade (originally the sari's palou) is way too heavy. Looks ok in the bodice, but the sleeves are too stiff. They should be drapey. * That 7 meter sari wasnt long enough. The train finished 8" too short. * Uk, too much yardage in the CB & on the side. Ironing may help this, but I doubt it. (I laughed when I looked at it. You can, too!) * Binding at neckline - yeah, it's lighter in weight than the brocade. * The bra-like front closure under the "bib" is very successful. (See photo #43, Waugh's book.) The forward & upward tug creates clevage without corsetting. http://photos.yahoo.com\hatchikohysteria the Click the folder "Bib-front Gown 1803". So, questions for you, ladies & gents: * What else needs work? * Would you gather the decorated panel (marked "embroidered panel" in N.Waugh diagr XXXV) or leave it flat? * Was the sari fabric , while light in weight, too crisp? * Should the "waist" line gathering be ironed flat? * The whole thing has a "short and dumpy" effect. How to fix it? * Other critique? That was *supposed* to be my final muslin for an 1803 bib-front gown. Yeah, I'll probably take some of the excess out of the skirt, then finish it with a "good enough for Gaskell's" attitude. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo ------_=_NextPart_001_01C194FA.D7FE0BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I've always wanted one of those French merveilleuse style gowns... within limits of decency.  I also love those descriptions of the French court, and diplomatic wives in their gold encrusted evening gowns.   Happily the French werent quite so shy about color, if you flip thru "Modes Revolutionaires" and "Revolution in Fashion".
In a fit of obsession,  I've spent the last 6 days drafting, fitting & mocking up a gown.  Mostly, I used the Norah Waugh book "Cut of Women's Clothes", diagram XXXV and photo #43 (2 different gowns). I'm at the final mockup wherein the gown is done up in fabrics close to the final in weight, fiber & hue.  Idea is to check the hang, figure out real yardage needed, eyeball strongly patterned panels & borders and generally work thru problem areas.  Here's my comments:

 * The gold brocade (originally the sari's palou) is way too heavy. Looks ok in the bodice, but the sleeves are too stiff. They should be drapey.
 * That 7 meter sari wasnt long enough. The train finished 8" too short.
 * Uk, too much yardage in the CB & on the side.  Ironing may help this, but I doubt it. (I laughed when I looked at it. You can, too!)
 * Binding at neckline - yeah, it's lighter in weight than the brocade.
 * The bra-like front closure under the "bib" is very successful. (See photo #43, Waugh's book.) The forward & upward tug creates clevage without corsetting.

http://photos.yahoo.com\hatchikohysteria the Click the folder "Bib-front Gown 1803".

So, questions for you, ladies & gents:
 * What else needs work?
 * Would you gather the decorated panel (marked "embroidered panel" in N.Waugh diagr XXXV) or leave it flat?
 * Was the sari fabric , while light in weight, too crisp?
 * Should the "waist" line gathering be ironed flat?
 * The whole thing has a "short and dumpy" effect.  How to fix it?
 * Other critique?

That was *supposed* to be my final muslin for an 1803 bib-front gown.  Yeah, I'll probably take some of the excess out of the skirt, then finish it with a "good enough for Gaskell's" attitude.
--cin
Cynthia in Tokyo
------_=_NextPart_001_01C194FA.D7FE0BD0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 03:39:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28707 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:39:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g049B6d26164; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:11:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g049B0s16782; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20703.mail.yahoo.com (web20703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.176]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0499Qs16519 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:09:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020104090929.22946.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web20703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:09:29 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= To: H-costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] lucas de haare - london ladiies sleeve question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:09:29 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Greetings, I am having a bit of trouble drafting a pattern for the sleeves of the gown in the picture of four london ladies by Lucas de Haare: http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/gallery/middle-wmn.html I am trying to recreate the second gown from the left. I have the body of the gown sorted out but I am stuck on the construction of the sleeve and the correct setting of the collar. Could anyone help? I am not interested in buying patterns as they never fit properly I would much rather draft it myself. Any help is much appreciated. Many Thanks Rachel (UK). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 05:07:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA05255 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:07:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04Ad7d29531; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:39:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Ad0s16197; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Abrs15988 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:37:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-210-250.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.210.250]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id CAEF58A41F6 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:37:33 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00ee01c1950c$05616660$fad2f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <0Xb$AEAc5KM8Iw3A@montgomerie.demon.co.uk><006901c1934e$66e37780$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> <00a201c1943e$ec87f1e0$a4dbf1c3@henk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors 2002 Predictions Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1950D.404D3640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:47:48 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1950D.404D3640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi, You wrote: The most convenient single-source volume for recent color-term linguistic studies is "Color Categories in Thought and Language" edited by C.L. Hardin and Luisa Maffi (Cambridge University Press, 1997). The specific article in the collection on the above topic is focusing on English color words: "Color shift: evolution of English color terms from brightness to hue" by Ronald W. Casson. But as with most academic articles, there are also lots of works in the bibliography for further pursuit. Thanks, Heather, I'll see if I can get it. Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1950D.404D3640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi,
 
You wrote:
The most convenient single-source volume for recent color-term
linguistic studies is "Color Categories in Thought and Language"
edited by C.L. Hardin and Luisa Maffi (Cambridge University Press, =
1997).  The specific article in the collection on the above = topic is
focusing on English color words: "Color shift: evolution of = English
color terms from brightness to hue" by Ronald W. Casson.  But = as with
most academic articles, there are also lots of works in the
bibliography for further pursuit.

Thanks, Heather, I'll see = if I can get it.
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
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------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1950D.404D3640-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 05:37:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA05375 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:37:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04B96d00773; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:09:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04B90s22113; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from morgoth.tuug.fi (morgoth.tuug.fi [130.232.72.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04B8Qs21953 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:08:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by morgoth.tuug.fi (Postfix, from userid 15211) id 4AAAB7F1F; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:08:01 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by morgoth.tuug.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3398A3F55 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:08:01 +0200 (EET) From: Ella Lynoure Rajamaki To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] weird shirt fastening? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:08:01 +0200 (EET) Status: RO Hello, I ran into http://www.marquise.de/1500/pics/1522_2.shtml and noticed that the shirt almost looks like it fastens at side front (where a raglan seam might be). Even in a zoomed view it looks more like an opening than a stain or slash. Can this be? However, there is somethign in center front too...something that looks like a pink ribbon going through two lacing holes. Which is the fastening and what in the world is the other? Does anybody have a bigger and clearer picture of this? -- Lynoure Rajamaki lynoure@tuug.fi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 05:41:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA05412 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:41:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04BD6d00980; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:13:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04BD0s22891; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04BB4s22501 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:11:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p67-nas4.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.208.67]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id AAA16806 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:11:06 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.ihug.co.nz: Host p67-nas4.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.208.67] claimed to be user Message-ID: <004b01c1950f$aaa56a60$43d0adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104001105.02bc9120@radiks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] LOTR final credit quote, Maori Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:04:59 +1300 Status: RO While I'm here: http://www.akiko.co.nz/NZ/Culture/NZDic.html nz phrases into us equivalents for those who may get cofused by what I say;) > "HE MIHI NUI HOKI KI NGA TANGATA WHENUA O AOTEAROA. MA RANGI RAUAKO PAPA > TATOU E MAHAAKI, E TIAKI HEI NGA TAU E UT MAI NEI.* > Does this help? > Sandy yeppers:) *I replaced the s in whenua to the correct a, easy typo to do:), not sure if ut is utu or uta, based on the surrounding words, I suspect uta, and hga to nga.. he=a, fail, some, wrong mihi=greet, admire, lament nui=many, in public, abundant, large hoki= also, and, beacause, for, return (used for emphasis) ki=at. against, for, full, into, if, on, say, towards, with, (connects verb with subject) nga Tangata Whenua o Aotearoa= the people of the land of Aotearoa (New Zealand) ma=and rangi=heaven rauako= ?? raua=them ko=at, to (address a girl) papa=buttocks, board, flat but Papa=earth together I think it's the sky father and earth mother. tatou=we e= o!, a number, participle denoting progress in past/present/future, when mahaaki=mahaki=calm, sick, meek, mild tiaki=guard hei=as, at, for, to , in, with tau=young, be able, alight, lover, time, (utu=price, reward) uta=the land mai=action to the speaker nei=nearness to the speaker With so many meanings to the words, this is either a greeting from the People of the land of new Zealand, or an apology to Nga Tangata o Aotearoa. I may ask for a translation tomorrow. I'm not so hot on Maori grammar, structuring sentances is a tad difficult. And I can't find a translator online to do a whole sentance. http://www.maoricd.co.nz/home.htm michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 05:50:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA05462 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:50:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04BM6d01246; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:22:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04BM0s24450; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04BJBs24004 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:19:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCO6KUOETS00CVZF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:20:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCO6KRWIM800CTL9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:20:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:16:34 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:16:16 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.82) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:16:12 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR - Galadriel's frock. In-reply-to: <200201040536.g045aws28348@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:16:12 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hi Michaela, > Oh I'm sorry, I thought your many emails on the subject denoted > some sort of importance to the subject. Good grief no. I was just saying what the costume looks like to me. > You see what you see, sure, but do look again: First Impressions was > the original title for Pride and Prejudice after all. I've looked at several stills on the web and in a couple of books and it still looks like tacky nylon-lace fabric to me. Each to their own, of course, but I *can't* see a dress in that fabric as being in any way attractive. > Wasn't the original thread about working out how the costumes were > made anyway? Not the one I first responded to - it was about the film and the costumes in general. I loved the film and that costume was the one moment where the costume was the foremost thought on my mind. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 08:24:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06355 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:24:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04DuGd08171; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:56:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Du0s25385; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Dtps25356 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:55:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA19273 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:55:54 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <008601c194a1$abc8e5c0$64c4abd0@mshome.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Costume flicks and violence Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:55:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Joan Broneske wrote: > I can't stand horror or hacker/slasher movies, > they give me nightmares, Speaking for myself -- I have problems with horror movies too, for the same reason. I have no problem with LOTR or Raiders or any of that sort of thing; I suppose because I know the 'good guys' win in the end, unlike horror movies where almost everyone winds up dead for no particularly good reason. Unfortunately, I do have problems with things like the rape scene in Rob Roy, which really has kept me from watching the movie again (even though I have it on tape)... a pity, because I really do want to go back through it and look at the costumes, just for fun. I started watching it again once, and just kept dreading what I knew was coming up -- it spoiled it for me enough that I popped the tape out and haven't tried to watch it again since. I really wish they'd intimated that scene (noises coming from inside the cottage, filmed from outside the cottage) rather than showing it plain... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 08:34:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06399 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:34:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04E68d08786; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:06:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04E62s27776; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04E5ws27744 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:05:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m157.in-tch.com [216.166.191.157]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g04Dsqr13490 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:54:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C35B7C6.3B359EF2@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA4@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 07:10:14 -0700 Status: RO Hi, Cynthia...I'd love to look at it, but when I try your link I get one of those obnoxious "server not found" errors. --sue > Cynthia Barnes wrote: > http://photos.yahoo.com\hatchikohysteria the Click the folder > "Bib-front Gown 1803". > > So, questions for you, ladies & gents: > * What else needs work? > * Would you gather the decorated panel (marked "embroidered panel" in > N.Waugh diagr XXXV) or leave it flat? > * Was the sari fabric , while light in weight, too crisp? > * Should the "waist" line gathering be ironed flat? > * The whole thing has a "short and dumpy" effect. How to fix it? > * Other critique? > > That was *supposed* to be my final muslin for an 1803 bib-front gown. > Yeah, I'll probably take some of the excess out of the skirt, then > finish it with a "good enough for Gaskell's" attitude. > --cin > Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 08:40:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06437 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:40:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04EC7d09241; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:12:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04EC1s29149; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04EAms28888 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:10:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from 66-44-2-57.s565.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.2.57] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16MV3c-0001zq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:10:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3C35B930.51983E8B@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] listmembermeting References: <3C34B93D.80608@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:16:16 -0500 Status: RO Bjarne wrote: > The best thing of it all was, that i learned what a buillon thread is > called in Danish. I had no idea about that. It is called Kantille thread. > In many ways today was a very special day, it was very lucky we went to > that shop. Now i dont have to import from America any more, she imports > from England, Benton and Johnson. Bjarne- Have you ever been to Silke-Annet's shop up in Farum? She does a lot of bobbin lace and assorted historic costume and has lots of stuff. She's where I got all for my supplies for my High-Hat outfit this past summer. I can give you her phone and address is you're interested. Just in case you're looking for another shop for supplies, you know. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 08:46:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06481 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:46:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04EI6d09742; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:18:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04EI0s00669; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04EHIs00529 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:17:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g04EHMa12855 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:17:22 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup In-Reply-To: <3C35B7C6.3B359EF2@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:17:22 +0100 (CET) Status: RO On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Hi, Cynthia...I'd love to look at it, but when I try your link I get one > of those obnoxious "server not found" errors. > > > http://photos.yahoo.com\hatchikohysteria the Click the folder > > "Bib-front Gown 1803". The address works fine for me, but I can't find any folder with that name. Am I blind/stupid, or is something else going on? :) Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 09:20:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06685 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:20:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04Ep8d12396; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:51:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Ep0s10224; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Em1s09429 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.176]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020104144805.IBNS11568.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:48:05 +0100 Message-ID: <3C35C0C2.5020606@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA4@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:48:34 +0100 Status: RO Cynthia Barnes wrote: > I > So, questions for you, ladies & gents: > * What else needs work? > * Would you gather the decorated panel (marked "embroidered panel" in > N.Waugh diagr XXXV) or leave it flat? > * Was the sari fabric , while light in weight, too crisp? > * Should the "waist" line gathering be ironed flat? > > * The whole thing has a "short and dumpy" effect. How to fix it? > * Other critique? > > That was *supposed* to be my final muslin for an 1803 bib-front gown. > Yeah, I'll probably take some of the excess out of the skirt, then > finish it with a "good enough for Gaskell's" attitude. > --cin > Cynthia in Toky > Dear Cynthia. It is a very small world here. I am making the excaktly same gown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Except, i dont make it with the embroidered ribbon. But if i had used one, i wouldnt gather it at the waistline. I have just finished the corset from 1795 in Norah Waughs book to go with it and i just came home today from the fabric shop. I have baught bridal satin and silk chiffon. White. It is for the norwegian lady i made the sack dress with beadembroidery for. I make the dress doubble one layer of bridal satin and one layer of chiffon. I think the chiffon will give it this greek look. I didnt have the time to embroider the band myself and went trough a lot of stores to fine one i could use, but no. Therefore i dont make it with this. When you gather the skirt and you have sewed it to the bodice, you should make a band inside the bodice to cover the thick gatherring. Make a bend in the band and hide the seam behind the band and the bodice. Regency dresses was mostly made in fabrics that falls heavy. Light materials as well. I think that a gold brokade is two stiff. The fabric must fall in fine wawes if you know what i men. For gods sake i cant spell men from mening! Sorry, time for coffe!! This was a coinsidense, i am going to make it this week end. Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 09:51:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07108 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:51:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04FMSd15714; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:22:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04FMLs21621; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:22:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepZ.post.tele.dk (fepz.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04FG3s19428 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.176]) by fepZ.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020104151607.GTWM395.fepZ.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:16:07 +0100 Message-ID: <3C35C754.2090602@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume flicks and violence References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:16:36 +0100 Status: RO Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: >On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Joan Broneske wrote: > >>I can't stand horror or hacker/slasher movies, >>they give me nightmares, >> The movie Alien gave me nightmares many years. I wish i never had gone to se that movie. And i lived in a forrest in the countryside in those days and had to go trough a pech black forrest when i was going home! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 09:55:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07193 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:55:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04FPtd16096; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:25:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04FPls22895; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:25:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13407.mail.yahoo.com (web13407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBTGlpZ25577 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:47:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20011229164817.8811.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.132.136] by web13407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:48:17 PST From: Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Cost: LOTR To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200112281825.KAA17593@artemis.directcon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:48:17 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Margo@margospatterns.com wrote: > After all the raving, maybe it's time for a different opinion.... (snip) > More scenery....and > surprise, > here come some Things That want To Kill You. Hm... well, my co-worker Loie (who is a Quaker) never managed to get through the books either... she had pretty much the same reaction to the movie as you did, I think: she thought it was too violent. (This didn't bother me, but then I guess I expected it.) She said that the movie definitely made her want to go visit New Zealand, though. I guess I got more from the books about what having the ultimate power (the Ring) does to even good people (Bilbo, or Gandalf or Galadriel if they'd taken the Ring). It's rather odd that the books were written before the Bomb was invented. Anyway... you're not obliged to like them! Really! De gustibus non disputandem and all that. I think of all the Tolkien stuff, I liked his smaller stories a little better. I re-read those a lot more (and sections of the Silmarillion) than the LoTR trilogy. And re-read C.S. Lewis's books a lot more than Tolkien's -- sort of the difference between sagas (Tolkien) and folk tales (Lewis). Tolkien was really setting out to create a new epic mythology, and that sort of mythos is notoriously lacking in humor -- the grand sweep of it doesn't lend itself well toward that kind of thing. And mythology deals very much in stereotypes and broadly-painted characterizations. Loie said that the Ring trilogy seems very Wagnerian to her. I guess that could be a good comparison. > Things I did like: The art direction and design. I loved Bag End, > an Arts > and Crafts Movement hole in the ground! Yes, wasn't that a hoot? Who wouldn't want to live in such a home? I saw a "making of" special -- they planted the gardens in Hobbiton a year before they started filming, so the plants would have a chance to mature in place and look right. And yes, the costumes were gorgeous. The hobbits' costumes got me thinking about tweed jackets and velvet or damask waistcoats... I don't think the movie ruined anything for people who already liked the books -- it just didn't win over people like you, and Loie, who weren't already fans. -- Mara __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 09:55:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07202 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:55:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04FQ2d16110; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:26:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04FPss22937; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:25:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g047cYs28658 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:38:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id ABBF8C03E8; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 01:37:35 -0600 Message-ID: <01ea01c194f2$6e9c0640$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Long Hair List" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Winter Hat for long hair Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:35:48 -0500 Status: RO Today we received our first snow for the winter. Every year it is such a chore to find something to cover my daughter's head (she's the one with a lot of long thick hair). We finally found some thing that works. So I thought I would share with you who might have the same problem... it is tam or beret hat. The one we found is made of 85% nylon &15% acetate. It is really stretchy and repels water!!!!! My daughter pulls her hair in a ponytail and then rolls it up into the hat. Now, she can go sledding or make snow angels and not have a hair-related accident or end up with wet hair. She looks really cute in it. If she shifts the weight of her hair to the back of the hat, it kinda looks like a cal. For those in the U.S. I found the hat at Big Lots and they were $2.99. They are in different colors too! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 10:00:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07262 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:00:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04FVjd16793; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:31:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04FVcs25317; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:31:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm10.jersey.juno.com (wm10.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.230]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04FS8s23814 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:28:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCkk4JLeFuNfmCmmK6m8yL7UDSzTcmaVofA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm10.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQBQVAYU; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:27:53 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:[h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020104.102753.532.55929@wm10.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:27:52 GMT Status: RO Hi Cyn, Just my tuppence on this but, I'd say that the fabric is indeed too crisp. I feel that to get the right look with this style (and it's a tricky style to wear if you aren't built like a 12 year old boy)a very, very soft and drapey fabric is essential. Something along the lines of a well-washed hankie linen or a cotton batiste. This is the perfect style to use all those silks that are just too soft and drapey for the earlier 18th century fashions. Perhaps pressing the gathers/pleats down at the waist would help. I love the colors, and they style looks very interesting. I've only done a couple of French Revolution/Regency dresses but the bib front style is one I'd like to try. Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 10:09:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07374 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:09:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04Fegd17667; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:40:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04FeXs28697; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:40:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepA.post.tele.dk (fepA.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04FaTs27175 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:36:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.176]) by fepA.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020104153634.LOWB27566.fepA.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:36:34 +0100 Message-ID: <3C35CC1E.8020302@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:37:02 +0100 Status: RO Hello. I am not expert in this period, but could the sleave be cut like a tunic and then gathered at the armscye? It looks that way, weird! Bjarne Robin Netherton wrote: >On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > >>True enough, and yet I'm still curious about Botticelli's "Young >>Woman" (the 2nd one here >>http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/botticel/portrait/index.html ). To >>be sure, her hair is rather...fanciful...but it is labelled as a >>portrait (ok, that probably doesn't mean anything!). I've always been >>curious about this dress, as it seems to be not only gathered into the >>neckline but also into the armscye. Any thoughts? >> > >Not my period, and I really have no clue on what's happening on the front >-- e.g. what's under, what's over, and whether those stripes are lacings >or just decoration. > >But I do notice that the part of the bodice that seems gathered into the >armscye is only the area connected to the sleeve. The edge of the armscye >that forms the opening (where the chemise puffs out) is smooth. So maybe >the armscye is pulled up a bit along that seam connecting the bodice to >the shoulder of the sleeve? > >I should also note that Botticelli is known for treating clothing (and >hair and other elements) rather imaginatively as served his own purposes, >so I wouldn't take him to the bank. I'm sure that many of the bits he >includes are realistic, but others aren't, and I don't feel competent to >guess which are which. > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 10:54:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07809 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:54:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04GQ8d22556; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:26:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04GQ1s18764; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04GObs18143 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:24:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g04GQIK16834 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13154 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:28:14 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA4@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:28:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Lovely fabric! I agree with the gathering--if you got rid of the front gathers and just put one pleat at either side, pushing the rest of the fulness to the back, you'd get a better look. I used "stroked pleats" to make the skirt on my muslin gown. It's basically like mini-cartridge-pleats, pulled up and then pushed flat. It managed to get a lot of bulk into a small area yet keep things from poofing out. (three and a half yards gathered into 12 inches of space)! That might help flatten the gathers on the back. Perhaps you could try gently washing a small sample in cool water with a mild soap, to see if this removes some of the crispness from the fabric. Thanks for the pics (and I wish I could wear that color), Drea On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Cynthia Barnes wrote: > I've always wanted one of those French merveilleuse style gowns... within > limits of decency. I also love those descriptions of the French court, and > diplomatic wives in their gold encrusted evening gowns. Happily the French > werent quite so shy about color, if you flip thru "Modes Revolutionaires" > and "Revolution in Fashion". > In a fit of obsession, I've spent the last 6 days drafting, fitting & > mocking up a gown. Mostly, I used the Norah Waugh book "Cut of Women's > Clothes", diagram XXXV and photo #43 (2 different gowns). I'm at the final > mockup wherein the gown is done up in fabrics close to the final in weight, > fiber & hue. Idea is to check the hang, figure out real yardage needed, > eyeball strongly patterned panels & borders and generally work thru problem > areas. Here's my comments: > > * The gold brocade (originally the sari's palou) is way too heavy. Looks ok > in the bodice, but the sleeves are too stiff. They should be drapey. > * That 7 meter sari wasnt long enough. The train finished 8" too short. > * Uk, too much yardage in the CB & on the side. Ironing may help this, but > I doubt it. (I laughed when I looked at it. You can, too!) > * Binding at neckline - yeah, it's lighter in weight than the brocade. > * The bra-like front closure under the "bib" is very successful. (See photo > #43, Waugh's book.) The forward & upward tug creates clevage without > corsetting. > > > http://photos.yahoo.com\hatchikohysteria the Click the folder "Bib-front > Gown 1803". > > So, questions for you, ladies & gents: > * What else needs work? > * Would you gather the decorated panel (marked "embroidered panel" in > N.Waugh diagr XXXV) or leave it flat? > * Was the sari fabric , while light in weight, too crisp? > * Should the "waist" line gathering be ironed flat? > * The whole thing has a "short and dumpy" effect. How to fix it? > * Other critique? > > That was *supposed* to be my final muslin for an 1803 bib-front gown. Yeah, > I'll probably take some of the excess out of the skirt, then finish it with > a "good enough for Gaskell's" attitude. > --cin > Cynthia in Tokyo > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 11:09:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08006 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:09:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04Gf8d24380; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:41:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Gf1s25545; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04GeGs25203 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:40:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g04GfxK18894 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13438 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:43:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: H-costume list Subject: Re: [h-cost] lucas de haare - london ladiies sleeve question In-Reply-To: <20020104090929.22946.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:43:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > > http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/gallery/middle-wmn.html > > I am trying to recreate the second gown from the left. > I have the body of the gown sorted out but I am stuck > on the construction of the sleeve and the correct > setting of the collar. Could anyone help? I am not > interested in buying patterns as they never fit > properly I would much rather draft it myself. > I had trouble with those sleeves, too. I was recreating the first gown on the left. I tried to build a base for the sleeve based on the boned sleeve on Arnold's Ropa in Patterns of Fashion, using shaped heavy buckram stuffed with batting. The fabric was lumpy over it, and it wasn't very sturdy--one push on the buckram would leave a hollow. Even when I supplemented it with poly boning, it still looked lumpy. I ended up creating a close-fitting undersleeve, sewing a network of poly boning still in the fabric sleeves to it, stuffing it with poly boning and fitting a layer of cotton batting over the boning to soften the line. The outer sleeve I built by hand, fitting and draping fabric over the structure. I'm not completely satisfied with the result, but it came out pretty well. I included light boning inside the black velvet guards on the sleeves, which also helped. For the collar, I just extended the fabric of the front pieces into a point at the collar, and extended the back neckline up. Kind of like the partlet pattern at http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/lowerclass/images/partlet-pat.jpg, only with a higher collar. There's a pic of the gown at http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/wardrobe/ http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/wardrobe/gownkirtle.html Good luck, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 11:31:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08305 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:31:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04H28d26937; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:02:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04H20s06254; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04GxOs04787 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:59:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip221.vanc5.pacifier.com [66.43.1.221]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g04Gwce13426 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:58:41 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladder Lacing Message-ID: <3C357014.3680.8A6FD88@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3C353FC7.C51E8F1F@faucet.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:04:20 -0800 Status: RO > > The diagonals are on the back side of the lacings. It was actually a > > very common lacing pattern. > > On the back side of the lacings? I'm not sure what you mean by this. > When the edges to be laced do not meet, the back side of the lacing > would also be visible. In a photograph that would be true, but sometimes the laces on the underside are not shown. (Artist's convention?) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 14:51:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10033 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:51:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04KM7F28027; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:22:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04KM0s17665; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04KKBs16776 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:20:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.a8.4654ffa (3851) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:20:07 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: wheelchair costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:20:07 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/2/02 9:56:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << He wears his old Ren. Faire clothes when he goes to Ren. Faire, and so what if the chair isn't period.>> Ooh! He could make it look like a throne! Instant charisma. I'll have to look around, but I do believe I saw a book once on fashion designing for the wheelchair-bound... I'll try to find a link and post it here soon. I think this a worthy topic. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 14:56:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10079 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:56:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04KRLF01572; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:27:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04K40s09202; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04K3es09039 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:03:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.20.21b39f4f (3851) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:03:36 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <20.21b39f4f.29676498@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:03:36 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/2/02 1:39:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << You know, Tolkien himself said that these books were not, in fact, a metaphor for WWII. I am not sure where the quote is to be found, but I will look. Margretta (delurking) >> Hmm, ok. I'd be interested to read that. The only quote I knew of was that he denied it was a treatise against the atomic bomb (being used in WW II). He was quite adamant about that. We do know Tolkien's work was influenced by his preoccupance with death, however, which resulted from most of his friends dying in the war, when he was only in his 20's. Go ahead and e-me privately if you find that tidbit. I am always up for discussion of this profound work of literature. Thanks, Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 14:56:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10084 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:56:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04KRNF01579; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:27:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Iq1s04979; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from morgoth.tuug.fi (morgoth.tuug.fi [130.232.72.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04InZs03865 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:49:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by morgoth.tuug.fi (Postfix, from userid 15211) id D66257F1F; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:49:40 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by morgoth.tuug.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8483F55 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:49:40 +0200 (EET) From: Ella Lynoure Rajamaki To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] listmembermeting In-Reply-To: <3C35B930.51983E8B@oldwaylane.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:49:40 +0200 (EET) Status: RO On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Judy Mitchell wrote: > Have you ever been to Silke-Annet's shop up in Farum? She > does a lot of bobbin lace and assorted historic costume and > has lots of stuff. She's where I got all for my supplies for > my High-Hat outfit this past summer. I can give you her > phone and address is you're interested. Just in case you're > looking for another shop for supplies, you know. Could you post her address to the list? I'm would like it too, and I'm sure I am not the only one, especially if she'd do mail order. -- Lynoure Rajamaki lynoure@tuug.fi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 15:05:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10319 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:05:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04Kb7F03113; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:37:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Kb0s26216; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04KZhs25624 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:35:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.147.752fb2d (3851) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:35:44 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <147.752fb2d.29676c1f@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: piped edges and boning Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:35:43 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/2/02 9:56:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << Bias covered cord was used to edge anything boned and fitted>> Yes, this technique is much easier than attempting to turn a lined and boned garment. For anyone wondering how to do this, see the instructions on the bodice for Simplicity pattern # 8881. FYI, "bias covered cord" is also called "piping" in the U.S., and can be found pre-made in the notions areas of fabric stores. << and yes, polyboning is about the only thing you can get in NZ (but it's not Rigilene) >> Well, here's a website you can buy steel boning from that seems to ship internationally. Good prices, and I've never had a problem with my orders. http://www.granndgarb.com --Gillian Tedcastle, "Keeping the world corseted..." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 15:11:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10374 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:11:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04KgeF03889; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:42:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04KgXs29019; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:42:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Kcls27117 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:38:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020104203848.CBWN20122.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:38:48 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c3d1190.316574209@mail.attbi.com> References: <20.21b39f4f.29676498@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20.21b39f4f.29676498@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g04Kcls27117 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 20:39:01 GMT Status: RO On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:03:36 EST, the following was written in this electric book by Azelana@aol.com: >The only quote I knew of was that >he denied it was a treatise against the atomic bomb (being used in WW II). >He was quite adamant about that. We do know Tolkien's work was influenced by >his preoccupance with death, however, which resulted from most of his friends >dying in the war, when he was only in his 20's. He was in WWI - In France, I think - he was a Mustard Gas casualty. His son might have been in WWII, late in the war, IIRC. He was in his 50's during WWII: http://us.imdb.com/Name?Tolkien,+J.R.R. Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 15:56:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10893 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:56:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04LS9F10050; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:28:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04LS0s22100; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f134.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.134]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04LRYs21866 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:27:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:27:35 -0800 Received: from 216.26.63.46 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:27:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.26.63.46] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR - Galadriel's frock. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 21:27:35.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0BDCA40:01C19566] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 13:27:35 -0800 Status: RO >I've looked at several stills on the web and in a couple of books and >it still looks like tacky nylon-lace fabric to me. Each to their own, of >course, but I *can't* see a dress in that fabric as being in any way >attractive. > I was thinking of making a purple one in acid peeled velvet over buttersoft satin. I've used that kind of velvet before and the textures are really fun. But then I really like soft, fuzzy, and purple. ;) Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 16:08:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10971 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:08:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04Le8F11527; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:40:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Le0s28344; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04LdAs27925 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:39:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (morr0687.gti.net [208.216.122.87]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 11D80145985 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:39:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C36211B.7F579DE5@gti.net> From: Deb Rand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:39:39 -0500 Status: RO No Sue, you aren't blind ... the one slash after 'com' was reversed. This is the address: http://photos.yahoo.com/hatchikohysteria AND You have to sign into Yahoo! to view the Bib Front file. If you don't sign in, that particular file does not come up for some reason.. Guests aren't allowed, I guess. Deb R. > The address works fine for me, but I can't find any folder with that > name. Am I blind/stupid, or is something else going on? :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 16:18:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11136 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:17:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04LnAF12709; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:49:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Ln2s02998; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Lkos01970 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:46:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 994B73A9057 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:46:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <022d01c19571$c2e1b720$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume flicks and violence MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:47:17 -0600 Status: RO I have seen an occasional slasher movie--in my home, with my DH to tell me when to duck--but the ones that give me nightmares are the ones in which children are hurt. OTOH, I read a horror comic when I was eight about a large orange monster that came out of a closet. Until I left home at seventeen, I could NOT sleep with my closet door open. For years, I kept a tiny child's rocking chair up against that door at night. Living in a haunted house didn't help any, either. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] Costume flicks and violence > On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Joan Broneske wrote: > > I can't stand horror or hacker/slasher movies, > > they give me nightmares, > > Speaking for myself -- I have problems with horror movies too, for the > same reason. I have no problem with LOTR or Raiders or any of that > sort of thing; I suppose because I know the 'good guys' win in the end, > unlike horror movies where almost everyone winds up dead for no > particularly good reason. Unfortunately, I do have problems > with things like the rape scene in Rob Roy, which really has kept me from > watching the movie again (even though I have it on tape)... a pity, > because I really do want to go back through it and look at the costumes, > just for fun. I started watching it again once, and just kept dreading > what I knew was coming up -- it spoiled it for me enough that I popped the > tape out and haven't tried to watch it again since. > > I really wish they'd intimated that scene (noises coming from inside the > cottage, filmed from outside the cottage) rather than showing it plain... > > -- Mara > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 18:00:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11934 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:00:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04NWAF25056; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:32:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04NW1s21665; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from frankenstein.nwlink.com (pop.nwlink.com [209.20.130.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04NTGs20549 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:29:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from asuscoh (ip157.usw19.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.235.157]) by frankenstein.nwlink.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g04NTMg26826 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:29:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from costumer@dendarii.org) Message-ID: <00c801c19577$edfe5700$9debcacf@nwlink.com> From: "Susan" To: References: <20.21b39f4f.29676498@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:28:39 -0800 Status: RO It is in the introduction to the first book - at least the one that I have, a mid 70s version. But it is WWI that he says it isn't a metaphor for. It is suppose to be in protest to the industrialization of the English countryside that happened after WWI. Susan Courney > > << You know, Tolkien himself said that these books were not, in fact, a > metaphor for WWII. I am not sure where the quote is to be found, but I will > look. > > Margretta > (delurking) >> > > Hmm, ok. I'd be interested to read that. The only quote I knew of was that > he denied it was a treatise against the atomic bomb (being used in WW II). > He was quite adamant about that. We do know Tolkien's work was influenced by > his preoccupance with death, however, which resulted from most of his friends > dying in the war, when he was only in his 20's. > > Go ahead and e-me privately if you find that tidbit. I am always up for > discussion of this profound work of literature. > > Thanks, > Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 18:20:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12051 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:20:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04Np9F27073; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:51:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Np1s29628; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Nm2s28329 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:48:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from 66-44-21-88.s342.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.21.88] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16Me4H-0002VQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:48:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3C36407F.4B92C38C@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] listmembermeting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:53:35 -0500 Status: RO Hi Ella- > Could you post her address to the list? I'm would like it too, and I'm > sure I am not the only one, especially if she'd do mail order. She goes by the name Silke-Annet her address is: Dorthesvej 2 Dk-3520 Farum and her phone is 44-95-05-55. Oh, she does have email (which is mostly how I was in touch with her), but she seemed somewhat slow to answer. Probably because she ran most of it through her son to deal with the English. Her email is: silke-annet@detail.dk. I don't know how much mail order she does, but you could certainly ask her. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 18:22:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12068 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:22:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04Ns8F27340; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:54:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Ns0s01045; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04NrTs00846 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:53:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from 66-44-21-88.s342.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.21.88] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16Me9X-00039v-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3641C5.71D54253@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? References: <20.21b39f4f.29676498@aol.com> <00c801c19577$edfe5700$9debcacf@nwlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:59:01 -0500 Status: RO Susan wrote: > It is in the introduction to the first book - at least the one that I have, > a mid 70s version. But it is WWI that he says it isn't a metaphor for. It > is suppose to be in protest to the industrialization of the English > countryside that happened after WWI. There was a show on PBS the week before the movie came out (the show was called "JRR Tolkien") that mentioned that the only time his experiences in the War come into the book is in the section about the Dead Marshes and the faces he sees in them. The show also interviewed Queen Margrethe of Denmark because she had written a fan letter to Tolkien when she read it as a teenager. She found it fascinating how he involved aspects of sagas and norse mythology, which of course she was well versed in, and wrote to tell him so. She also was certain that some of the Elvish seemed to sound Finnish. In some of his letters he explains that Quenya was based largely on the sounds of Finnish, while Sindarin grew from his fascination with Welsh. -Judy Mitchell (who will get to see the movie again since I was given two gift passes!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 18:28:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12117 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:28:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0500AF28104; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:00:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05001s03291; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.misc.com (dsl-6414918377.internetconnect.net [64.149.183.77] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Nvps02553 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:57:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00784 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:04:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3642C4.BCF5A391@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? References: <20.21b39f4f.29676498@aol.com> <00c801c19577$edfe5700$9debcacf@nwlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:03:16 -0800 Status: RO To the Liste: The January issue of Smithsonian (with a beautiful tiger face on the cover) has an article called "J.R.R. Tolkien and the Lord of the Rings", in which the influences of WWI/WWII on Tolkien are touched upon. Interesting reading and might answer some of the questions in this thread. Theresa Eacker Susan wrote: > > It is in the introduction to the first book - at least the one that I have, > a mid 70s version. But it is WWI that he says it isn't a metaphor for. It > is suppose to be in protest to the industrialization of the English > countryside that happened after WWI. > > Susan Courney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 19:05:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12637 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:05:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g050a9F01797; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:36:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g050a0s15692; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g050ZZs15523 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:35:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p238.directcon.net [209.233.107.238]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA15857 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:34:59 -0800 Message-Id: <200201050034.QAA15857@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-cost: Wearing 16th Century Shirts Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:34:59 -0800 Status: RO At 07:32 PM 01/02/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Margo@Margospatterns.com wrote: > >> I've drafted a pattern based on the 1585-1600 shirt in the Museum >> of Costume at Bath, as shown in the Janet Arnold shirts and smocks article. >> > >So, I'm curious. Did you draft one with neck gussets, or without? I've been >researching and playing with period shirts for a while now, and I've come to the >conclusion that I like ones with neck gussets much better. They seem to have >been made both with and without, but I find that the neck gusset eliminates >pulling and makes gathering to the neckband much easier. What's your >experience? I used the neck gussets. You're right, they make the garment fit better, and are much more comfortable and durable. They seem scary to sew at first, but once you get the hang of it they're no big deal. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 19:56:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13069 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:56:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g051RYF05643; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:27:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g051R0s29666; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.130]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g051QGs29462 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:26:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 2351 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 01:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fenris.net) (207.12.32.203) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 01:26:19 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3653E8.9CE8E674@fenris.net> From: Karolee Smiley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? References: <20.21b39f4f.29676498@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 17:16:23 -0800 Status: RO Delurking briefly since I'm on break and can actually read this while its still being discussed. The LotR was started in 1936. But due to his need to flesh out the history and the outbreak of WWII, its completion was delayed. Actually his son, Christopher, was in the RAF in South Africa during WWII and he sent excerpts for him to read as he was working on it at home. He would get his son's feedback as he worked on the story. Tolkien says that he went through a variety of other personal changes that slowed down the process as well. He moved, changed jobs and typed and retyped it himself. He finally completed it in 1949. He said it was not based on either war, but said that author's are influenced by their experiences. He does not like allegory but prefers history, whether real or feigned. This is from Tolkien's prologue from the 1973 Ballantine edition where he gives a small insight into his writing process. Personally, I loved the books and the movie. Of course I like epics. I also enjoy the Homeric Poems and find many interesting similarities between them. Ok, back into lurk mode Karolee Smiley Azelana@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/2/02 1:39:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > << You know, Tolkien himself said that these books were not, in fact, a > metaphor for WWII. I am not sure where the quote is to be found, but I will > look. > > Margretta > (delurking) >> > > Hmm, ok. I'd be interested to read that. The only quote I knew of was that > he denied it was a treatise against the atomic bomb (being used in WW II). > He was quite adamant about that. We do know Tolkien's work was influenced by > his preoccupance with death, however, which resulted from most of his friends > dying in the war, when he was only in his 20's. > > Go ahead and e-me privately if you find that tidbit. I am always up for > discussion of this profound work of literature. > > Thanks, > Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 20:21:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13235 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:21:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g051qlF07109; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:52:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g051qOs06303; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:52:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g051pUs06101 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:51:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m113.in-tch.com [216.166.191.113]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g051eQn16355 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:40:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C365D25.1D016960@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup References: <3C36211B.7F579DE5@gti.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:55:49 -0700 Status: RO Well, darn it, you're right...and I don't "do" yahoo....grump, grump....does anyone have another picture of this dress? It sounds really pretty.....:-( --sue Deb Rand wrote: > > No Sue, you aren't blind ... the one slash after 'com' was reversed. > This is the address: > http://photos.yahoo.com/hatchikohysteria > AND > You have to sign into Yahoo! to view the Bib Front file. > If you don't sign in, that particular file does not come up for > some reason.. > Guests aren't allowed, I guess. > Deb R. > > > The address works fine for me, but I can't find any folder with that > > name. Am I blind/stupid, or is something else going on? :) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 20:36:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13271 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:36:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0528OF08124; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:08:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05280s09964; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0526fs09626 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:06:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from pacbell.net ([206.170.33.30]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GPG00G560JAZU@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:06:49 -0800 (PST) From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3C365F58.1FCA9DA2@pacbell.net> Organization: Pacific Bell Internet Services MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-PBI-NC404 (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20.21b39f4f.29676498@aol.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:05:13 -0800 Status: RO I've been having problems with sending out e-mails lately from home. I sent this message on Thursday and quoted from the forward. Hopefully, it will reach the list this time. Here's the quote you were looking for. LynnD Gillian wrote: Oh dear! There's going to be a war, ya know... LOTR is a metaphorical account of Tolkien's own emotional experiences of WWII, written into a fantasy story. I'm afraid it will get MUCH more violent. Felt I should warn you. No it isn't metaphore, and Tolkien says so very clearly. I've been reading it recently in a one-volume reprint I bought myself for Christmas 2000 (Houghton Mifflin, ISBN 0-395-97468-2). I don't mean to be argumentative, but here are his own words. In the forward to the second edition, first published in October 1965, (he deleted the first forward), Professor Tolkien wrote, "As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical . . . The crucial chapter, 'The Shadow of the Past', is one of the oldest parts of the tale. It was written long before the foreshadow of 1939 had yet become a threat of inevitable disaster, and from that point the story would have developed along essentially the same lines, if that disaster had been averted. Its sources are things long before in mind, or in some cases already written, and little or nothing in it was modified by the war that began in 1939 or its sequels." Tolkein goes on to say that if the book had followed WWII, the Ring would have been used agains Sauron "not annihilated but enslaved, and Barad-dur would not have been destroyed but occupied." He goes on for a couple more paragraphs on this line, but then says that an author cannot write and be completely separated from the world around him. He reminds his readers that he was caught up in WWI and that was just as bad as WWII for many people; all but one of his close friends were dead by 1918. However, he says that the book was already in his mind before there were even threats of another war. LynnD Having read it first at the tender age of 11 or12 in (oh my God) 1963-44 Azelana@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/31/01 2:34:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > << I agree with Margo, however. I didn't care much for it as it was > *way* too violent for me. I spent a good portion of the movie > (especially in the last part) with my head buried in my husband's > shoulder going "are they done fighting yet." However, since it is a > cultural icon, I will go see the other two. >> > > > > --Gillian Azelana@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/2/02 1:39:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > << You know, Tolkien himself said that these books were not, in fact, a > metaphor for WWII. I am not sure where the quote is to be found, but I will > look. > > Margretta > (delurking) >> > > Hmm, ok. I'd be interested to read that. The only quote I knew of was that > he denied it was a treatise against the atomic bomb (being used in WW II). > He was quite adamant about that. We do know Tolkien's work was influenced by > his preoccupance with death, however, which resulted from most of his friends > dying in the war, when he was only in his 20's. > > Go ahead and e-me privately if you find that tidbit. I am always up for > discussion of this profound work of literature. > > Thanks, > Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 21:50:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13439 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:50:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g053MOF14479; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:22:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g053M0s28093; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g053Kds27811 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:20:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (A020-0214.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.82.214]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g053KjH214188 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:20:46 -0500 Message-ID: <005201c19598$971e5680$d652fe3f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <4.1.20020102000923.00aa79b0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:25:13 -0500 Status: RO Thanks for all of the ideas. One of my biggest problems is getting skirts caught in the wheels, especially when I am in a position to us my manual chair for the day. What figures is that I absolutely fell in love with Elizabethan and early Tudor just before being stuck in these things, and love full skirts, etc. Unfortunately, I can't even get away with a full length tunic, let alone the full stuff.;-p I guess I could have worse problems.;-} YIS, Moira Another was to always make the fit loose enough that there was no > binding, no tight spot, anywhere, especially if they had trouble dressing > themselves or with arm motions (I gather you don't have a problem here). > > My favourite suggestion for wheelchair folks is to decorate the chair itself. > This will tend to frame the sitter whatever he/she is wearing. The simplest > way is to hang a banner (or a nice piece of cloth) down the back of the chair. > Cloth slipcovers for the arms don't hurt the looks either. If you do > Renaissance, look at the chairs in Ren. portraits for ideas. (I was at a > Science Fiction convention, and someone had decorated her chair like a > futuristic transport pod, which went with her space ship uniform.) > > My housemate will always have to use a chair, and even tho the thing is really > high tech and motorized (and cost more than my car did) he still looks really > good wearing his evening clothes and sitting in the chair at Dickens' Fair or > historical dances. He wears his old Ren. Faire clothes when he goes to Ren. > Faire, and so what if the chair isn't period. > > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 22:25:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13548 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:24:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g053uOF16571; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:56:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g053u0s06615; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.fidnet.com (one.fidnet.com [216.229.64.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g053rps06119 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:53:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 6754 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 03:53:59 -0000 Received: from cable-mo-60.rolla.fidnet.com (HELO oemcomputer) (216.229.79.60) by one.fidnet.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 03:53:59 -0000 From: "Lori Sharpsteen" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <200201050214.g052Eus11636@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] RE: wheelchair costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:52:12 -0600 Status: RO I have two books on this subject, actually. (I once considered starting a clothing company specializing in garments for physical limitations and calling it User Friendly Clothing Company) One is published by Simplicity and called "Design Without Limits" The other is titled "Dressing With Pride" by Evelyn S. Kennedy and was published by PRIDE (Promote Real Independence for the Disabled and Elderly) in 1981. If you want more info about the books, let me know. Lori Sharpsteen -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of h-costume-request@indra.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:15 PM To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #580 - 15 msgs Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-admin@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Tolkien not WWII? (Azelana@aol.com) 2. Re: wheelchair costumes (Azelana@aol.com) 3. Re: piped edges and boning (Azelana@aol.com) 4. Re: Re: Tolkien not WWII? (chimericalgirl@attbi.com) 5. Re: Re:LOTR - Galadriel's frock. (Jennifer Sena) 6. Re: Merveilleuse mockup (Deb Rand) 7. Re: Costume flicks and violence (Greg and Dianne Stucki) 8. Re: Re: Tolkien not WWII? (Susan) 9. Re: listmembermeting (Judy Mitchell) 10. Re: Re: Tolkien not WWII? (Judy Mitchell) 11. Re: Re: Tolkien not WWII? (Theresa Eacker) 12. Re: H-cost: Wearing 16th Century Shirts (Margo@Margospatterns.com) 13. Re: Re: Tolkien not WWII? (Karolee Smiley) 14. Re: Merveilleuse mockup (Sue Clemenger) 15. Re: Re: Tolkien not WWII? (Lynn Downward) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Azelana@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:03:36 EST To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com In a message dated 1/2/02 1:39:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << You know, Tolkien himself said that these books were not, in fact, a metaphor for WWII. I am not sure where the quote is to be found, but I will look. Margretta (delurking) >> Hmm, ok. I'd be interested to read that. The only quote I knew of was that he denied it was a treatise against the atomic bomb (being used in WW II). He was quite adamant about that. We do know Tolkien's work was influenced by his preoccupance with death, however, which resulted from most of his friends dying in the war, when he was only in his 20's. Go ahead and e-me privately if you find that tidbit. I am always up for discussion of this profound work of literature. Thanks, Gillian --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Azelana@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:20:07 EST To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: wheelchair costumes Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com In a message dated 1/2/02 9:56:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << He wears his old Ren. Faire clothes when he goes to Ren. Faire, and so what if the chair isn't period.>> Ooh! He could make it look like a throne! Instant charisma. I'll have to look around, but I do believe I saw a book once on fashion designing for the wheelchair-bound... I'll try to find a link and post it here soon. I think this a worthy topic. --Gillian --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Azelana@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:35:43 EST To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: piped edges and boning Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com In a message dated 1/2/02 9:56:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << Bias covered cord was used to edge anything boned and fitted>> Yes, this technique is much easier than attempting to turn a lined and boned garment. For anyone wondering how to do this, see the instructions on the bodice for Simplicity pattern # 8881. FYI, "bias covered cord" is also called "piping" in the U.S., and can be found pre-made in the notions areas of fabric stores. << and yes, polyboning is about the only thing you can get in NZ (but it's not Rigilene) >> Well, here's a website you can buy steel boning from that seems to ship internationally. Good prices, and I've never had a problem with my orders. http://www.granndgarb.com --Gillian Tedcastle, "Keeping the world corseted..." --__--__-- Message: 4 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 20:39:01 GMT Organization: The Corner of my Desk Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:03:36 EST, the following was written in this electric book by Azelana@aol.com: >The only quote I knew of was that >he denied it was a treatise against the atomic bomb (being used in WW II). >He was quite adamant about that. We do know Tolkien's work was influenced by >his preoccupance with death, however, which resulted from most of his friends >dying in the war, when he was only in his 20's. He was in WWI - In France, I think - he was a Mustard Gas casualty. His son might have been in WWII, late in the war, IIRC. He was in his 50's during WWII: http://us.imdb.com/Name?Tolkien,+J.R.R. Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR - Galadriel's frock. Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 13:27:35 -0800 Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >I've looked at several stills on the web and in a couple of books and >it still looks like tacky nylon-lace fabric to me. Each to their own, of >course, but I *can't* see a dress in that fabric as being in any way >attractive. > I was thinking of making a purple one in acid peeled velvet over buttersoft satin. I've used that kind of velvet before and the textures are really fun. But then I really like soft, fuzzy, and purple. ;) Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:39:39 -0500 From: Deb Rand To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com No Sue, you aren't blind ... the one slash after 'com' was reversed. This is the address: http://photos.yahoo.com/hatchikohysteria AND You have to sign into Yahoo! to view the Bib Front file. If you don't sign in, that particular file does not come up for some reason.. Guests aren't allowed, I guess. Deb R. > The address works fine for me, but I can't find any folder with that > name. Am I blind/stupid, or is something else going on? :) --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume flicks and violence Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:47:17 -0600 Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com I have seen an occasional slasher movie--in my home, with my DH to tell me when to duck--but the ones that give me nightmares are the ones in which children are hurt. OTOH, I read a horror comic when I was eight about a large orange monster that came out of a closet. Until I left home at seventeen, I could NOT sleep with my closet door open. For years, I kept a tiny child's rocking chair up against that door at night. Living in a haunted house didn't help any, either. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] Costume flicks and violence > On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Joan Broneske wrote: > > I can't stand horror or hacker/slasher movies, > > they give me nightmares, > > Speaking for myself -- I have problems with horror movies too, for the > same reason. I have no problem with LOTR or Raiders or any of that > sort of thing; I suppose because I know the 'good guys' win in the end, > unlike horror movies where almost everyone winds up dead for no > particularly good reason. Unfortunately, I do have problems > with things like the rape scene in Rob Roy, which really has kept me from > watching the movie again (even though I have it on tape)... a pity, > because I really do want to go back through it and look at the costumes, > just for fun. I started watching it again once, and just kept dreading > what I knew was coming up -- it spoiled it for me enough that I popped the > tape out and haven't tried to watch it again since. > > I really wish they'd intimated that scene (noises coming from inside the > cottage, filmed from outside the cottage) rather than showing it plain... > > -- Mara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Susan" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:28:39 -0800 Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com It is in the introduction to the first book - at least the one that I have, a mid 70s version. But it is WWI that he says it isn't a metaphor for. It is suppose to be in protest to the industrialization of the English countryside that happened after WWI. Susan Courney > > << You know, Tolkien himself said that these books were not, in fact, a > metaphor for WWII. I am not sure where the quote is to be found, but I will > look. > > Margretta > (delurking) >> > > Hmm, ok. I'd be interested to read that. The only quote I knew of was that > he denied it was a treatise against the atomic bomb (being used in WW II). > He was quite adamant about that. We do know Tolkien's work was influenced by > his preoccupance with death, however, which resulted from most of his friends > dying in the war, when he was only in his 20's. > > Go ahead and e-me privately if you find that tidbit. I am always up for > discussion of this profound work of literature. > > Thanks, > Gillian > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:53:35 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] listmembermeting Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Hi Ella- > Could you post her address to the list? I'm would like it too, and I'm > sure I am not the only one, especially if she'd do mail order. She goes by the name Silke-Annet her address is: Dorthesvej 2 Dk-3520 Farum and her phone is 44-95-05-55. Oh, she does have email (which is mostly how I was in touch with her), but she seemed somewhat slow to answer. Probably because she ran most of it through her son to deal with the English. Her email is: silke-annet@detail.dk. I don't know how much mail order she does, but you could certainly ask her. -Judy Mitchell --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:59:01 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Susan wrote: > It is in the introduction to the first book - at least the one that I have, > a mid 70s version. But it is WWI that he says it isn't a metaphor for. It > is suppose to be in protest to the industrialization of the English > countryside that happened after WWI. There was a show on PBS the week before the movie came out (the show was called "JRR Tolkien") that mentioned that the only time his experiences in the War come into the book is in the section about the Dead Marshes and the faces he sees in them. The show also interviewed Queen Margrethe of Denmark because she had written a fan letter to Tolkien when she read it as a teenager. She found it fascinating how he involved aspects of sagas and norse mythology, which of course she was well versed in, and wrote to tell him so. She also was certain that some of the Elvish seemed to sound Finnish. In some of his letters he explains that Quenya was based largely on the sounds of Finnish, while Sindarin grew from his fascination with Welsh. -Judy Mitchell (who will get to see the movie again since I was given two gift passes!) --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:03:16 -0800 From: Theresa Eacker To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? Repl _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 22:40:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13583 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:40:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g054COF17634; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:12:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g054C0s10203; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g054BNs10059 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:11:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2198.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.198]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04082 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:11:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3C367C70.26133B36@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts References: <5B5980757A7@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:09:20 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. I don't know, Teddy, but the thought of wrapping my bits up in any part of my shirt that might shift when I sit down makes me a wee bit edgy. It might be a fun experience, experimental archaeology-wise, but something I'll want to try only once (okay, twice if it feels good). Seriously though, in my experience with shirts, codpieces and netherbreeches, I have found that I can usually shift everything in such a way that I can do my necessities and still appear decent afterwards, even after having a few too many beers and needing to use a poorly lit jakes. I still swear by netherbreeches, though. I have made boxers and briefs, based on images of historical examples. and they have always been more comfortable than just a shirt, although I have been able to manage either way... Mike T. Teddy wrote: > > I was under the impression a guy wrapped his parts in his shirt tail > > and then put the wrapped package into the codpiece. > > That's what works for me (except it's the front of the shirt not the > back "tails"). > > Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 22:58:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13644 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:58:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g054UPF18603; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:30:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g054U0s13901; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:30:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g054RLs13390 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:27:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2198.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.198]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14626 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:27:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3C36802E.4228B0A2@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts References: <200201021851.KAA14387@artemis.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:25:18 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. Margo, no need to blush. Your friendly neighborhood Barber-Surgeon here will explain all in a no-nonsense medical fashion. I really don't believe that the male anatomy was intended to be stuffed into a codpiece. The way that the codpiece evolved, from a flap which covered the separation of the hose, to the late 16th Cent, monstrosity, seems to simply be a manifestation of what the "owner" wished to display rather than what was actually IN the clothing item. Owing to the information that some later variants were used as storage areas for ones money, lunch and other valuables seems to leave little room for the "family jewels", regardless of the paucity of that particular package ( isn't alliteration wonderful?). Besides, the constriction that would result from such a position would be somewhat uncomfortable. Suffice it to say that the codpiece was most probably the most obvious type of window dressing, a sort of advertisement of masculine proportions, so to speak. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 23:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13750 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:38:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g055AOF20738; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:10:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055A0s23659; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0557ds23202 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:07:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:07:10 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA6@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:07:36 -0800 Status: RO I can send something to you directly. Is a 400K JPG ok for you? --cin Cynthia in Tokyo > Well, darn it, you're right...and I don't "do" yahoo....grump, > grump....does anyone have another picture of this dress? It sounds > really pretty.....:-( > --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 23:42:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13759 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:42:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g055EOF20899; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:14:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055E0s24523; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g055AVs23776 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:10:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 2349 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 05:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.235.136) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 05:10:38 -0000 Message-ID: <3C368B1B.DFD40A08@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gothic Sculputer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:11:54 -0600 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > > Maybe it's a regional thing. If this is accurate, and at all widespread, > it would mean a lot of rethinking for me. But the Wise Virgins are about > as reliable as the Virgin Mary as costume sources, meaning ... sometimes. Ok, I stumbled across another fullness-from-the-armpit garment today. Back in the fifteenth century, and it's a chemise, but it has a bunch of fullness (pleats? gathers?) right under the arm. It's in Birbari's _Dress in Italian Painting_, fig. 28, and I can't find it online anywhere. It's a closeup of Griselda in her shift, poor thing. Birbari has found enough pictures of chemises with this feature to make her think it was a common cut. Could this have any relation? Seems a bit of a stretch, but since it fell into my lap today, I thought I would bring it up. The more I learn, the more I don't know. Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 00:15:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13818 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:15:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g055lPF22662; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:47:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055l0s02725; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055k6s02527 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:46:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-127.frys.com [66.121.20.127]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g055idr08663 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:44:39 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020104213536.017a6980@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts In-Reply-To: <3C36802E.4228B0A2@dandy.net> References: <200201021851.KAA14387@artemis.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:36:13 -0800 Status: RO >late 16th Cent, monstrosity, seems to simply be a manifestation of what the >"owner" wished to display rather than what was actually IN the clothing item. Wishful thinking? False advertising? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 00:16:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13823 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:16:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g055m7F22722; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:48:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055lhs02879; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:47:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055k9s02539 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:46:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-127.frys.com [66.121.20.127]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g055iar08660 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:44:36 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020104212330.017a1a80@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: wheelchair costumes In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:31:40 -0800 Status: RO ><< He wears his old Ren. Faire clothes when he goes to Ren. > Faire, and so what if the chair isn't period.>> > >Ooh! He could make it look like a throne! Instant charisma. One of the SCA Barons in Southern California, in the fourth or fifth year of the SCA, was in a wheelchair. Dressed up in his Baronial robes and crown he didn't need to decorate his chair to make it look like a throne. OTOH, my housemate does lower-class/peasant, which doesn't go with thrones. >I'll have to look around, but I do believe I saw a book once on fashion >designing for the wheelchair-bound... I'll try to find a link and post it >here soon. I think this a worthy topic. I know I saw such a book - a little paperback thing. It could be the same book, not that I would recognize it now, as there can't be many books on that subject. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 00:22:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13836 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:22:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g055ruF23052; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:53:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055rWs04239; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:53:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055oEs03524 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:50:18 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:50:15 -0800 Status: RO Quoth DebR: > You have to sign into Yahoo! to view the Bib Front file. > If you don't sign in, that particular file does not come up for > some reason.. Mea culpa. Turns out the "age restriction" was on. Default turns out to be dont show to the chillins. All better now. I just took 2 ft out of the back section, swept the borders a little farther back. Drat. With all the fabric I took out I could have made the train to spec. Looks like the 7 meters would have been just fine, after all. Quoth Karen: >(and it's a tricky style to wear if you aren't built like a 12 year old boy) But I am! That's what is so maddening about it. Measuring the N.Waugh diagram I see 28-39" at the high waist. I'm only 31". Quoth Drea: >Lovely fabric! I agree with the gathering--if you got rid of the front >gathers and just put one pleat at either side, pushing the rest of the >fulness to the back, you'd get a better look. I used "stroked pleats" to >make the skirt on my muslin gown. Giggle. It's just a cheap sari I bought in Singapore over Thanksgiving. The real fabric (embroidered lawn or hankie linen batiste) is either unobtainable here in Japan or frighteningly expensive. It's so backwards to do the mockup in silk & the real thing in cotton. Like I told y'all before it's all "because Japan is an island". The single pleat idea is good to make it hang flat at the side. Instead, I deepened the dart shown the diagram. Helps that back-sweep effect. I'll give the stroked pleats a shot in the real thing. Quoth Bjarne: >When you gather the skirt and you have sewed it to the bodice, you >should make a band inside the bodice to cover the thick gatherring. Make >a bend in the band and hide the seam behind the band and the bodice. Do you mean bias binding? Should it connect to the bodice or just hang freely? It's really fun that you're making this one too. Cant wait to see how yours comes out. Thanks one & all for being my on-line sewing circle! --cin Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 00:22:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13840 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:22:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g055sOF23105; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:54:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055s0s04352; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055rMs04199 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:53:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:53:26 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA8@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:53:23 -0800 Status: RO > >late 16th Cent, monstrosity, seems to simply be a > manifestation of what the > >"owner" wished to display rather than what was actually IN > the clothing item. > > Wishful thinking? False advertising? Over-inflated ego? Testoterone poisoning? A triumph of hope over reality? --cin giggling in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 00:28:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13850 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:28:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0560AF23451; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:00:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055xjs05623; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:59:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055uHs04846 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:56:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id WAA00708 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:13:35 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201050613.WAA00708@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:13:35 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "Heather" wrote: > > Thanks for all of the ideas. One of my biggest problems is getting skirts > caught in the wheels, especially when I am in a position to us my manual > chair for the day. What figures is that I absolutely fell in love with > Elizabethan and early Tudor just before being stuck in these things, and > love full skirts, etc. Unfortunately, I can't even get away with a full > length tunic, let alone the full stuff.;-p I guess I could have worse > problems.;-} Ah-hah. Now that's something I can help on. I occasionally have to use a cane to walk, and come up against similar problems. What you really want is some way to contain the excess skirt so it won't get caught in the wheels. I have certainly made skirts that have internal ties (similar to 1880s hobble skirts but not so confining) that grab up the _back_ of the skirt. You could certainly make a sort of lacing or straps that would catch up the back of the skirt and keep it tucked under your knees and calves while you're sitting in the chair. It's not 100% period, but neither is riding around in a wheelchair. And I decided some time ago that "period" goes out the window when it gets in the way of my mobility. Picture a strap/buckle setup that runs from side seam to side seam across the back of your calves. You reach down, buckle (or button or tie) your strap down tight enough that the back of the skirt no longer drags, make sure your legs aren't too confined, then off you go. This actually can be combined with the idea of a open-backed garment if you never get out of the chair during the normal course of an event. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 00:29:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13857 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:29:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0561PF23559; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:01:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05610s05888; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055wJs05284 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:58:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m105.in-tch.com [216.166.191.105]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g055lFn18762 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:47:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C3696FD.47F2A820@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA6@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:02:37 -0700 Status: RO Yup. I gots lotsa room in my mail box. --sue Cynthia Barnes wrote: > > I can send something to you directly. Is a 400K JPG ok for you? > --cin > Cynthia in Tokyo > > > Well, darn it, you're right...and I don't "do" yahoo....grump, > > grump....does anyone have another picture of this dress? It sounds > > really pretty.....:-( > > --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 00:32:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13876 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:32:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0564LF23808; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:04:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0563vs06483; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:03:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0560us05870 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:00:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m105.in-tch.com [216.166.191.105]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g055nrn19333 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:49:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C36979B.F699D956@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts References: <200201021851.KAA14387@artemis.directcon.net> <4.1.20020104213536.017a6980@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:05:15 -0700 Status: RO 16th century male version of those wonder bras? --Sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >late 16th Cent, monstrosity, seems to simply be a manifestation of what the > >"owner" wished to display rather than what was actually IN the clothing item. > > Wishful thinking? False advertising? > > Kayta _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 01:00:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13965 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 01:00:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g056WPF25283; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:32:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g056W0s13062; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g056VHs12866 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:31:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p153-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.206.153]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id TAA02486 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:31:24 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host p153-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.206.153] claimed to be user Message-ID: <005701c195b1$bc49fcc0$99ceadcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <3C357014.3680.8A6FD88@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladder Lacing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:25:12 +1300 Status: RO > > On the back side of the lacings? I'm not sure what you mean by this. > > When the edges to be laced do not meet, the back side of the lacing > > would also be visible. > In a photograph that would be true, but sometimes the laces on the > underside are not shown. (Artist's convention?) probably not. I say this as I've just copied copiously from the Frei-.. Friedlander book on Cranach. There are two types pf lacing wich has horizontal lines: = *and* z shapes, ie both that have been described. That book is great, it has even *more* images of those half open bodices that are seen in Christ and the Adulteress and Lucretia paintings. Admitedly inthose genres, but also more women breastfeeding. Fantastic. I have looked in the library a multitude of times, why there were *two* Cranach books all of a sudden I do not know. Anyway, just to say there are definatly paintings showing both descriptions of acheiving horizontal lines inthe lacing. Oh, and there is at least one showing the style in Italian (venetian?) dress, which shows the stress marks the "ladder" lacing has on the opening. Ladder lacing really needs very strong boning to prevent the lacing pulling vertically puckering the opening: ___ ____ (___) |____| (___) rather than |____| (___) |____| Well strong enough to resist the pull anyway:) seeing as the garments these are usually found on are firm around the body atthe least. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 01:50:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14149 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 01:50:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g057LPF27622; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:21:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g057L0s22779; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g057KVs22648 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:20:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPGF2F00.D22 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 02:20:39 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA8@tko-exch.phoenix.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:16:49 -0800 Status: RO > > > > >late 16th Cent, monstrosity, seems to simply be a > > manifestation of what the > > >"owner" wished to display rather than what was actually IN > > the clothing item. > > > > Wishful thinking? False advertising? > > Over-inflated ego? Testoterone poisoning? A triumph of hope over reality? Art? "High" Art? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 01:53:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14153 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 01:53:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g057PPF27827; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:25:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g057P0s23513; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (fepout1.telus.net [199.185.220.236]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g057Nfs23272 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:23:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from orb.telus.net ([64.180.179.188]) by priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with ESMTP id <20020105072344.BSZB18012.priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net@orb.telus.net> for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:23:44 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104232451.009f3650@pop.telus.net> X-Sender: a6a21289@pop.telus.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: kris Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-cost: Wearing 16th Century Shirts In-Reply-To: <200201050034.QAA15857@artemis.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:26:00 -0800 Status: RO At 04:34 PM 1/4/02 -0800, you wrote: >At 07:32 PM 01/02/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >So, I'm curious. Did you draft one with neck gussets, or without? I've > been > >researching and playing with period shirts for a while now, and I've come >to the > >conclusion that I like ones with neck gussets much better. They seem to > have > >been made both with and without, but I find that the neck gusset eliminates > >pulling and makes gathering to the neckband much easier. What's your > >experience? > >I used the neck gussets. You're right, they make the garment fit better, >and are much more comfortable and durable. They seem scary to sew at first, >but once you get the hang of it they're no big deal. what, exactly, are neck gussets? Is there a pic online that I could see, or can someone give simple directions for this jet lagged brain? *S* kris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 05:16:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30843 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 05:16:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05AlWF06426; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:47:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Ak0s15312; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05AjPs15189 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:45:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.123]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020105104533.QRBU25405.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:45:33 +0100 Message-ID: <3C36D969.9010100@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 11:46:01 +0100 Status: RO Cynthia Barnes wrote: > >Do you mean bias binding? Should it connect to the bodice or just hang >freely? > >It's really fun that you're making this one too. Cant wait to see how yours >comes out. > >Thanks one & all for being my on-line sewing circle! >--cin >Cynthia in Tokyo > Dear Cynthia. Yes bias binding and you could sew it to a linning. But you dont make a linning in yours do you? Well if you dont, i guess it wouldnt be a good idea to do that. I can se in your "mock up" that it is really deep in the back ( bustline) i didnt realise that. I have to make the back higher because of the corset. And apropos this corset from 1795 even if Norah Waugh says it was worn well into the next century, i believe that it was those who didnt follow the new fashion. The bustcurve is absolutely just like 18th century, and it is not good to make a regency dress. I have to get another regency corset pattern, i saw one at 5rivers wich was good. However i have to finish this dress in 10 days and no way i can import a regency corset pattern. Then my costumer has to wear the dress without a corset. Cynthia did you notice that the back is very narrow and bust very big. It wants to go into the armscye, (the front bust part) Have you tryed to wear the mock up? My corset does the same thing. I guess you have to pull your shoulders back when you wear this dress. Ill post pictures when i have finished, promise Bjarne > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 05:50:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30927 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 05:50:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05BLVF07774; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 04:21:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05BK0s23588; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 04:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05BJ2s23426 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 04:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2115F3A949F for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 06:19:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00be01c195e3$3b23c7c0$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: <4.1.20020104212330.017a1a80@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: wheelchair costumes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 06:19:31 -0600 Status: RO Try doing a search for Dawn Wells (yes, of Gilligan's Island fame.) She designs clothing for the physically challenged. Not historical, but you might be able to pick up some tips. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: wheelchair costumes > ><< He wears his old Ren. Faire clothes when he goes to Ren. > > Faire, and so what if the chair isn't period.>> > > > >Ooh! He could make it look like a throne! Instant charisma. > > One of the SCA Barons in Southern California, in the fourth or fifth year > of the SCA, was in a wheelchair. Dressed up in his Baronial robes and > crown he didn't need to decorate his chair to make it look like a throne. > OTOH, my housemate does lower-class/peasant, which doesn't go with thrones. > > >I'll have to look around, but I do believe I saw a book once on fashion > >designing for the wheelchair-bound... I'll try to find a link and post it > >here soon. I think this a worthy topic. > > I know I saw such a book - a little paperback thing. It could be the same > book, not that I would recognize it now, as there can't be many books on > that subject. > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 08:40:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31487 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 08:40:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05EBfF14429; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:11:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05EA0s21588; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx1.famvid.com (b.mx.famvid.com [208.16.68.103] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g05E7ms21235 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:07:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 31573 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 14:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jeanne) (207.40.100.49) by mx2.famvid.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 14:09:45 -0000 Message-ID: <054801c195f2$316dfac0$4905fea9@jeanne> From: "Jeanne Harney" To: References: <054f01c193ec$c3418320$4905fea9@jeanne> <008601c194a1$abc8e5c0$64c4abd0@mshome.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A different perspective on LOTR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:05:51 -0500 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Broneske" > I mean no offense or to be insensitive, but it looks like you have more than > issues with "gore and ick"! I can't stand horror or hacker/slasher movies, > they give me nightmares, but "Raiders of the Lost Ark" causing you to have > to go to the hospital and "LOTR" making you throw up? My Goodness! I don't > know how I would survive life, if I was that sensitive! > It isn't easy. However, at the tender age of 4, I was thrown from the backseat of my parents' car, through the windshield, when we were hit headon by a drunk driver at 70mph, and spent 35 days in ICU, having 5 surgeries, and having my face rebuilt. I'm talking part of my jawbone, part of my occipital ridge, ALL my nose cartilage (my nose was gone) etc are now built of plastic. I was separated from my mother and lived for 5 months with both arms splinted straight out in front of me because it was the only way to control my ripping the stitches out and such. I had great surgeons, and the results are virtually invisible, now that I'm 42. The psychologists I've seen have said that anything having to do with blood brings back all the pain and separation anxieties from that time, though I have no conscious memories of it. Personally, I don't mind living in a G-rated world, and the "sensitization" process is something WAY too long and painful to think of doing. I just avoid things that would upset me. Jeanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 12:08:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32504 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:08:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05HdiF26462; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:39:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Hb0s03727; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05HZVs03462 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:35:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.a2.1eb354c9 (4464) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:35:37 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a2.1eb354c9.29689368_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:35:36 EST Status: RO --part1_a2.1eb354c9.29689368_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have you tried having someone make something like the old chain covers for bikes? It should be possible to affix something that would keep your skirts out of the wheels. Wish I were closer, I love this kind of challenge. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_a2.1eb354c9.29689368_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Have you tried having someone make something like the old chain covers for bikes?  It should be possible to affix something that would keep your skirts out of the wheels.  Wish I were closer, I love this kind of challenge.

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--part1_a2.1eb354c9.29689368_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 12:25:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32609 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:25:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05HunF27996; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:56:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Hs6s07535; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:54:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Hmjs06466 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:48:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.163]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020105174855.SUMD25405.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:48:55 +0100 Message-ID: <3C373CA2.6080802@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] what do you think Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 18:49:22 +0100 Status: RO Now i have finished this 1795 corset i want to use for the dress from 1803. But i need some help. What should i do. This corset is very oldfashioned. The bustline goes all the way down to the nipples. The front of the corset is so wide that you have to pull your shoulders back to fill it out. I guess the wearer would get the right body strukture, but really? I think it would be just the right thing to use for those Direktoire dresses, but this dress from 1803 is another thing. Do you think i should give it up and dont make a corset for the dress? I dont have a pattern for a real regency dress, and i have to finish the dress in 10 days. I think it would be wise to make the dress alone and then ask my lady to whom i am making it, to use a push up bra in stead. Please what do you think i should do? Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 12:28:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32621 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:28:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05HxbF28202; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:59:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Huss08072; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:56:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe8.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.32.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Hj6s05483 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:45:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:45:12 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.24.230.41] From: "Gia Gavino" To: "Costume List" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C195CD.A7E68020" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2002 17:45:12.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA041F40:01C19610] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:45:06 -0800 Status: RO ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C195CD.A7E68020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Expanding on this wonderful topic, when my littlest was too young to walk= , and I wanted to go to merchants row, I had to put her in her stroller. = I have FMS, which makes it impossible to keep picking her up and carryin= g her. Her little full skirts kept getting caught in the wheels too. But I made= a tie-on cozy that worked really well, plus being made out of a machine = wash heavy material. I went to the local thrift store and got a heavy ty= pe fabric bedspread (twin?) that draped over the seat, then had enough to= drape to the back, and cover the wheels in the front. It kinda looked l= ike a 'envelope' across the front. The back wheels still showed a little= . But the cozy made the 'good first impression' test. I liked this because= it kept her skirts from being caught in the wheels, and when it was mudd= y, the 'splatter' didn't get on her. It got on the cozy. I don't think this would work for manual wheelchairs, if the occupant had= to the propelling, but it might work if there was an assistant, maybe? = I have no experience in this, and would love to learn more. My mom loves = to go to fairs, and it's easier when she's in a chair. Gia/Giacinta ----- Original Message ----- From: Cynthia Barnes Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:55 PM To: 'h-costume@indra.com' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup Quoth DebR: > You have to sign into Yahoo! to view the Bib Front file. > If you don't sign in, that particular file does not come up for > some reason.. Mea culpa. Turns out the "age restriction" was on. Default turns out to be dont show to the chillins. All better now. I just took 2 ft out of the back section, swept the borders a little fart her back. Drat. With all the fabric I took out I could have made the train to spec. Looks like the 7 meters would have been just fine, after all. Quoth Karen: >(and it's a tricky style to wear if you aren't built like a 12 year old boy) But I am! That's what is so maddening about it. Measuring the N.Waugh diagram I see 28-39" at the high waist. I'm only 31". Quoth Drea: >Lovely fabric! I agree with the gathering--if you got rid of the front >gathers and just put one pleat at either side, pushing the rest of the >fulness to the back, you'd get a better look. I used "stroked pleats" to >make the skirt on my muslin gown. Giggle. It's just a cheap sari I bought in Singapore over Thanksgiving. The real fabric (embroidered lawn or hankie linen batiste) is either unobtainable here in Japan or frighteningly expensive. It's so backwardsto do the mockup in silk & the real thing in cotton. Like I told y'all before it's all "because Japan is an island". The single pleat idea is good to make it hang flat at the side. Instead, I deepened the dart shown the diagram. Helps that back-sweep effect. I'll give the stroked pleats a shot in the real thing. Quoth Bjarne: >When you gather the skirt and you have sewed it to the bodice, you >should make a band inside the bodice to cover the thick gatherring. Make >a bend in the band and hide the seam behind the band and the bodice. Do you mean bias binding? Should it connect to the bodice or just hang freely? It's really fun that you're making this one too. Cant wait to see how yours comes out. Thanks one & all for being my on-line sewing circle! --cin Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C195CD.A7E68020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Expanding on t= his wonderful topic, when my littlest was too young to walk, and I wanted= to go to merchants row, I had to put her in her stroller.  I have F= MS, which makes it impossible to keep picking her up and carrying her.&nb= sp;
 
Her little full skirts kept getting cau= ght in the wheels too.  But I made a tie-on cozy that worked really = well, plus being made out of a machine wash heavy material.  I went = to the local thrift store and got a heavy type fabric bedspread (twin?) t= hat draped over the seat, then had enough to drape to the back, and cover= the wheels in the front.  It kinda looked like a 'envelope' across = the front.  The back wheels still showed a little.
 =
But the cozy made the 'good first impression' test.  I l= iked this because it kept her skirts from being caught in the wheels, and= when it was muddy, the 'splatter' didn't get on her.  It got on the= cozy.
 
I don't think this would work for man= ual wheelchairs, if the occupant had to the propelling, but it might work= if there was an assistant, maybe?  I have no experience in this, an= d would love to learn more. My mom loves to go to fairs, and it's easier = when she's in a chair.
 
Gia/Giacinta
 
=
----- Original Message -----
From:= Cynthia Barnes
Sent: Friday= , January 04, 2002 9:55 PM
To: 'h-costume@indra.com'
Subject= : RE: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup
 
Quoth DebR:=
> You have to sign into Yahoo! to view the Bib Front file.
>= If you don't sign in, that particular file does not come up for
> = some reason..

Mea culpa. Turns out the "age restriction" was on. D= efault turns out to be
dont show to the chillins. All better now.
<= BR>I just took 2 ft out of the back section, swept the borders a little f= arther
back.  Drat. With all the fabric I took out I could have m= ade the train to
spec.  Looks like the 7 meters would have been j= ust fine, after all.

Quoth Karen:
>(and it's a tricky style = to wear if you aren't built like a 12 year old
boy)

But I am!&n= bsp; That's what is so maddening about it.  Measuring the N.Waughdiagram I see 28-39" at the high waist.  I'm only 31".

Quoth= Drea:
>Lovely fabric! I agree with the gathering--if you got rid o= f the front
>gathers and just put one pleat at either side, pushing= the rest of the
>fulness to the back, you'd get a better look.&nbs= p; I used "stroked pleats" to
>make the skirt on my muslin gown.
Giggle. It's just a cheap sari I bought in Singapore over Thanksgivi= ng.  The
real fabric (embroidered lawn or hankie linen batiste) i= s either
unobtainable here in Japan or frighteningly expensive.  = It's so backwards to
do the mockup in silk & the real thing in cot= ton.  Like I told y'all before
it's all "because Japan is an isla= nd".

The single pleat idea is good to make it hang flat at the sid= e. Instead, I
deepened the dart shown the diagram.  Helps that ba= ck-sweep effect.   I'll
give the stroked pleats a shot in th= e real thing.

Quoth Bjarne:
>When you gather the skirt and&n= bsp; you have sewed it to the bodice, you
>should make a band insid= e the bodice to cover the thick gatherring. Make
>a bend in the ban= d and hide the seam behind the band and the bodice.

Do you mean bi= as binding? Should it connect to the bodice or just hang
freely?
It's really fun that you're making this one too.  Cant wait to see= how yours
comes out.

Thanks one & all for being my on-line= sewing circle!
--cin
Cynthia in Tokyo

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------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C195CD.A7E68020-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 12:47:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32699 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:47:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05IJHF29462; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:19:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05IGXs12779; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:16:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05I2hs09463 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:02:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from scott.jigrah.co.uk ([80.1.58.207]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020105180253.JPPF308.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@scott.jigrah.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:02:53 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020105175408.00b31158@pop.oneandone.co.uk> X-Sender: pt8296337-1938@pop.oneandone.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Jill @ JiGraH" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladder Lacing In-Reply-To: <005701c195b1$bc49fcc0$99ceadcb@user> References: <3C357014.3680.8A6FD88@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 18:01:56 +0000 Status: RO Hello All delurking, just to put in my two penn'orth when straight lacing a corset (17th C) the laces don't cross at the back, the crossing from one side to the other is all in front of the fabric. back to lurking again. Jill At 19:25 05/01/2002 +1300, you wrote: > > > On the back side of the lacings? I'm not sure what you mean by this. > > > When the edges to be laced do not meet, the back side of the lacing > > > would also be visible. > > In a photograph that would be true, but sometimes the laces on the > > underside are not shown. (Artist's convention?) Sir Thomas Tyldesley's Regiment of Foote - Kings Army - being part of the English Civil War Society www.jigrah.co.uk - JigraH Resources _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 12:58:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32755 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:57:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05ITaF00363; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:29:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05IQrs15144; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:26:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05I26s09267 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:02:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.4c.47472fc (4464) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:02:10 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.47472fc.296899a2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you think To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4c.47472fc.296899a2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:02:10 EST Status: RO --part1_4c.47472fc.296899a2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that if you made a correct corset, it was probably meant to force the shoulders back. Look at pictures of the period -- those ladies did not slouch over like we do. If your customer thinks it is too uncomfortable let her get her own bra, but it will not give the period look that your corset will. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_4c.47472fc.296899a2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      I think that if you made a correct corset, it was probably meant to force the shoulders back.  Look at pictures of the period -- those ladies did not slouch over like we do.  If your customer thinks it is too uncomfortable let her get her own bra, but it will not give the period look that your corset will.

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--part1_4c.47472fc.296899a2_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 14:47:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00771 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:47:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05KJ5F08237; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:19:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05KG8s12435; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:16:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05JoRs05413 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:50:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.52.196.103.dlls.grid.net ([63.52.196.103] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Mwpx-0000Lr-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 11:50:38 -0800 Message-ID: <3C37593A.BECE9F1D@earthlink.net> From: Magdalena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-cost: Wearing 16th Century Shirts References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104232451.009f3650@pop.telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 13:51:22 -0600 Status: RO kris wrote: > > what, exactly, are neck gussets? Is there a pic online that I could see, or > can someone give simple directions for this jet lagged brain? *S* > OK, your standard 16th century shirt has a T slit cut for the neckline. The crossbar of the T is gathered into a neckband. A neck gusset is a little triangular piece that gets sewn into the ends of the crossbar, making the slit slightly more circular and one continuous piece instead of two fronts and a back. Clear as mud? For a look at a period shirt pattern (from Arnold), go to: http://home.earthlink.net/~magdlena/shirt/images/BlackworkShirtPattern2_a2.jpg -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 16:24:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01113 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:24:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05LtBF15440; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:55:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Lsas05767; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:54:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20406.mail.yahoo.com (web20406.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.125]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g05Ixgs23053 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:59:46 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020105185952.18150.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.60.146.47] by web20406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 10:59:52 PST From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <054801c195f2$316dfac0$4905fea9@jeanne> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Fabricaholic tempted by Tudor Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:59:52 -0800 (PST) Status: RO So, I was looking at a picture of a Jane Seymour portrait I have framed in my sewing room and thinking that the dress looked like velveteen (in my print at least), and then I thought that of any time of the year to try and buy velveteen, now might be a good one, because stores will theoretically be clearancing their stocks they had for holiday projects. And I thought "hey, I might want to do a Tudor dress within the next year - I should go buy some velveteen!" But the thing is, so far I really don't know much about Tudor. Is velveteen really as good a choice as it seems to me? How much should I buy to make sure I have enough for the main part of a dress? (I'm not exceptionally huge or anything.) Thanks for supporting my fabric-buying addiction! -Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 16:27:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01128 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:27:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05LwlF15848; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:58:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05LwYs06632; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:58:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05JuAs06884 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:56:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.52.196.103.dlls.grid.net ([63.52.196.103] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16MwvV-00064D-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 11:56:22 -0800 Message-ID: <3C375A92.E0F5CC16@earthlink.net> From: Magdalena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts References: <200112270112.RAA29874@artemis.directcon.net> <3C33B4C2.8D5D49F2@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 13:57:07 -0600 Status: RO Chris Laning wrote: > He pointed > out that, if a shirt is merely gathered into the neckline at the > back, there is extra fullness at the upper back shoulder line that > tends to migrate toward the front, causing the sleeves to twist. This > tightens the shirt in the upper arm area, which he finds > uncomfortable. > > Anyone else have this experience? Chris, Have you tried gathering more compactly at center back? I measure the neck, the back of the neck, and the front of the neck. When I gather to a neckline, I make sure that the back half of the shirt is gathered to the back of the neck measurement. (Otherwise it _really_ twists). I also gather unevenly, with the majority of the material for the back gathered tightly to center back and the gathers gradually loosening as they head toward the shoulders. Make sense? -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 16:27:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01132 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:27:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05LwpF15869; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:58:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Lwcs06668; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:58:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05KKGs13393 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:20:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.111]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020105202026.XMXE16766.fepD.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:20:26 +0100 Message-ID: <3C376025.80408@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Pompei-Herculanum Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 21:20:53 +0100 Status: RO I juat read that the Italians has found another old city near Vesuvius vulcan. It is near the city Nola and it is older than Pompei and Herculanum. It is burried of the Vulcans ashes just like the other cities and it is 4000 years old. The Experts expect Vesuvius to get another eruption just as powerfull as the one that destroyed the cities within 20 years. I am glad that i dont live in Neples. Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 16:28:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01135 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:28:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05LwdF15826; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:58:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05LwQs06586; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:58:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g05JCss26624 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:12:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 12548 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 19:13:04 -0000 Received: from tempest.sonic.net (208.201.224.25) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 19:13:04 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d41.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.41]) by tempest.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g05JD3n02994 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:13:03 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C37507B.1FE8CA96@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 11:14:03 -0800 Status: RO Yesterday, I received a package from my family containing the gifts they forgot to send with the first two Christmas packages. These include a hand-knitted garment from my brother, which, I must admit, stumps me. Tearing my husband away from our mutual scientific pursuit of trying to identify our species of ant so we can buy the correct traps (our current ant "restaurants" are patronized only by B-list ants), I asked his opinion. He thinks it is a sweater for a python--a python whose color chart recommends a combination of charcoal gray, ivory, and black in stripes. Though the shape and size of the garment favor this theory, my brother knows we don't own a python. Reminding myself that it's the duty of a writer on technical subjects to boldy confront mysterious objects and procedures without the support of a user manual, I analyzed the garment. Specs: Hand knitted, about 4 3/4 feet long and 1 foot wide (the knit's elasticity makes it hard to measure, and like all knits it can stretch larger). About 15 inches on each end sewn into a tube. The middle not sewn into a tube, though tending to curl inwards. A muffler? Possibly, though a rather long and large one. Seam facing outward for about 6 1/2 inches on each tubular end, indicating that end is designed to be turned up, especially since one end bears a contrasting label reading "smith & hone." Sleeves? I put an arm into each end. This resulted in a garment with two rather short sleeves and large turned-up cuffs, with the nontubular part hanging like a stole across my back. So I know how to wear it . . . maybe. What I don't know is what it's called, and more importantly, what to wear it _with_. Is this sportswear? Evening wear? Is it worn over long-sleeved, short-sleeved, or sleeveless garments? Over dresses or ?? It seems to be more of an accessory than for functional warmth--but with fashion you never know. Whatever the Knitted Thing is, it's sure to be trendy in Manhattan. My brother never gives me anything that's not trendy in Manhattan. It may also be expensive, since his gifts tend to be. The sequined evening purse he gave me looks like the sequins were applied with nanotechnology that went out of control. So--can any New York fashion mavens on the list help me? Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 16:49:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01215 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:49:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05MLDF17425; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:21:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05ML0s11644; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05MK8s11485 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:20:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.8d.11f080f9 (16633) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:20:07 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <8d.11f080f9.2968d617@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8d.11f080f9.2968d617_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:20:07 EST Status: RO --part1_8d.11f080f9.2968d617_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a totally fashion challenged person, this is not my area of expertise, but I was fascinated. Take a look at this website and see if you can get some help here. Fashion Designer: Smith & Hone Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_8d.11f080f9.2968d617_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a totally fashion challenged person, this is not my area of expertise, but I was fascinated.  Take a look at this website and see if you can get some help here. Fashion Designer: Smith & Hone

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--part1_8d.11f080f9.2968d617_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 16:55:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01239 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:55:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05MRDF17789; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:27:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05MR0s13064; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05MPus12829 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:25:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.14a.6cc3a43 (16633) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:25:59 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <14a.6cc3a43.2968d777@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pompei-Herculanum To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14a.6cc3a43.2968d777_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:25:59 EST Status: RO --part1_14a.6cc3a43.2968d777_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was the article in English? Where can I find more information? I am fascinated by Vesuvius and have visited both Herculanum and Pompeii and walked around the rim of the volcano watching the puffs of steam venting out of it. That wasn't nearly as freightening as the ride down the mountain at full speed ahead with a taxi driver who smelled of beer and came to every curve with his horn blasting away and seemed to have forgotten where the break pedal was. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_14a.6cc3a43.2968d777_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Was the article in English?  Where can I find more information?  I am fascinated by Vesuvius and have visited both Herculanum and Pompeii and walked around the rim of the volcano watching the puffs of steam venting out of it.  That wasn't nearly as freightening as the ride down the mountain at full speed ahead with a taxi driver who smelled of beer and came to every curve with his horn blasting away and seemed to have forgotten where the break pedal was.

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--part1_14a.6cc3a43.2968d777_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 17:01:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01287 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:01:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05MXDF18194; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:33:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05MX0s14246; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g05MW7s14058 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:32:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from modemcable035.48-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca (HELO pentium3) (24.200.48.35) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 22:32:18 -0000 Message-ID: <010701c19639$1b72dfa0$5030c818@WorkGroup> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104232451.009f3650@pop.telus.net> <3C37593A.BECE9F1D@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-cost: Wearing 16th Century Shirts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:34:13 -0500 Status: RO So you need to make the slit wider in order to insert the gusset than it would have been if there hadn't been a gusset there, right? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Magdalena" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-cost: Wearing 16th Century Shirts > kris wrote: > > > what, exactly, are neck gussets? Is there a pic online that I could see, or > > can someone give simple directions for this jet lagged brain? *S* > > > > OK, your standard 16th century shirt has a T slit cut for the neckline. The > crossbar of the T is gathered into a neckband. A neck gusset is a little > triangular piece that gets sewn into the ends of the crossbar, making the slit > slightly more circular and one continuous piece instead of two fronts and a back. > Clear as mud? > > For a look at a period shirt pattern (from Arnold), go to: > http://home.earthlink.net/~magdlena/shirt/images/BlackworkShirtPattern2_a2.jpg > > -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 17:11:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01310 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:11:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05MgmF18778; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:42:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05MgZs16286; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:42:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Mcls15545 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:38:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPHLKZ00.65T for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:38:59 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fabricaholic tempted by Tudor Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20020105185952.18150.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:35:34 -0800 Status: RO Velveteen is perfect, and buy 10 yards. Ok, I always say buy 10 yards of anything, but in this case, if you mean Tudor, with the wide turnback sleeves, you do want to make sure you have plenty, including enough to experiment with. And don't skimp on the skirt! Just my tuppence ha'penny, of course. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Angela Kovatch > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 11:00 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Fabricaholic tempted by Tudor > > > So, I was looking at a picture of a Jane Seymour > portrait I have framed in my sewing room > > and thinking that the dress looked like velveteen (in > my print at least), and then I thought that of any > time of the year to try and buy velveteen, now might > be a good one, because stores will theoretically be > clearancing their stocks they had for holiday > projects. And I thought "hey, I might want to do a > Tudor dress within the next year - I should go buy > some velveteen!" > > But the thing is, so far I really don't know much > about Tudor. Is velveteen really as good a choice as > it seems to me? How much should I buy to make sure I > have enough for the main part of a dress? (I'm not > exceptionally huge or anything.) > > Thanks for supporting my fabric-buying addiction! > > -Angela > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 17:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01356 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:23:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05MtDF19666; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:55:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Mt0s19260; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:55:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Mqfs18487 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:52:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:52:15 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA9@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] what do you think (1798 corset) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:52:11 -0800 Status: RO IMO, a push up bra would give the wrong contour line. How 'bout widely set shoulderstraps on the corset? Lots of 18th corsets had straps like the 1793 one in "Corsets & Crinolines". If you havent already got built-in straps you could add them with a panel, gromments & ribbon ties. If you do have straps, perhaps they are just in the wrong place, slightly off angle, too loose or too tight. (Uck, so many possibilities!) > The front of the corset is so wide that you have to pull > your shoulders back to fill it out. Re-reading this, I now wonder whether it's actually laced snug enough. Even with my boyish figure, there's something to squish. Others, more generously endowed, might be able to "rearrange their assets" but I've never had this option. In truth I'd need to a photo of the wearer, but would understand completely if she didnt want to be viewed online even by a bunch of caring costumers such as ourselves. Quite honestly, I'd like a similar opinion, but have opted to be coy. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo > This corset is very oldfashioned. The bustline goes all the > way down to > the nipples. The front of the corset is so wide that you have to pull > your shoulders back to fill it out. >I guess the wearer would get the > right body strukture, but really? > I think it would be just the right thing to use for those Direktoire > dresses, but this dress from 1803 is another thing. > Do you think i should give it up and dont make a corset for > the dress?> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 17:35:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01407 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:35:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05N7HF20688; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:07:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05N70s22096; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g05N6Ns21953 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:06:23 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 9050 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 23:06:33 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 23:06:33 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d136.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.136]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g05N6Wd28321 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:06:32 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C378735.86755BC0@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment References: <8d.11f080f9.2968d617@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:07:33 -0800 Status: RO Thanks! It's the tube scarf/shrug on this page: http://store.yahoo.com/sowear/sweaters.html But to achieve _that_ look, in terms of coordinates, I'd have to polish my behind. What are you supposed to wear a shrug with? Fran LalahTT@aol.com wrote: > As a totally fashion challenged person, this is not my area of > expertise, but I was fascinated. Take a look at this website and > see if you can get some help here. Fashion Designer: Smith & Hone > > Lalah > Never Give up, Never Surrender, -- --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 17:39:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01417 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:39:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05NBDF20990; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:11:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NB0s22987; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05N9Gs22638 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:09:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g05N9e199472 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:09:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200201052309.g05N9e199472@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment In-Reply-To: <3C37507B.1FE8CA96@lavoltapress.com> "from Lavolta Press at Jan 5, 2002 11:14:03 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:09:40 -0800 (PST) Status: RO It sounds like a "thneed" -- you see them a lot in SF. THey stretch amazingly, and can be worn over the shoulders [with your head going through the hole] -- as a scarf, as a dress [if you are daring] etc etc etc -- or as a bicycle seat cover. .heather. > Yesterday, I received a package from my family containing the gifts > they forgot to send with the first two Christmas packages. These > include a hand-knitted garment from my brother, which, I must admit, > stumps me. > > Tearing my husband away from our mutual scientific pursuit of trying > to identify our species of ant so we can buy the correct traps (our > current ant "restaurants" are patronized only by B-list ants), I asked > > his opinion. He thinks it is a sweater for a python--a python whose > color chart recommends a combination of charcoal gray, ivory, and > black in stripes. Though the shape and size of the garment favor this > > theory, my brother knows we don't own a python. > > Reminding myself that it's the duty of a writer on technical subjects > to boldy confront mysterious objects and procedures without the > support of a user manual, I analyzed the garment. Specs: Hand > knitted, about 4 3/4 feet long and 1 foot wide (the knit's elasticity > > makes it hard to measure, and like all knits it can stretch larger). > About 15 inches on each end sewn into a tube. The middle not sewn > into a tube, though tending to curl inwards. A muffler? Possibly, > though a rather long and large one. Seam facing outward for about 6 > 1/2 inches on each tubular end, indicating that end is designed to be > turned up, especially since one end bears a contrasting label reading > "smith & hone." Sleeves? I put an arm into each end. This resulted > in a garment with two rather short sleeves and large turned-up cuffs, > with the nontubular part hanging like a stole across my back. > > So I know how to wear it . . . maybe. What I don't know is what it's > called, and more importantly, what to wear it _with_. Is this > sportswear? Evening wear? Is it worn over long-sleeved, > short-sleeved, or sleeveless garments? Over dresses or ?? It seems > to be more of an accessory than for functional warmth--but with > fashion you never know. > > Whatever the Knitted Thing is, it's sure to be trendy in Manhattan. > My brother never gives me anything that's not trendy in Manhattan. It > may also be expensive, since his gifts tend to be. The sequined > evening purse he gave me looks like the sequins were applied with > nanotechnology that went out of control. > > So--can any New York fashion mavens on the list help me? > > Fran > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 17:52:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01467 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:52:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05NOEF22018; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:24:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NO1s26150; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.32]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NM4s25656 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:22:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.123.122] ([68.37.193.177]) by femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020105232216.MEQT617.femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[192.168.123.122]> for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:22:16 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment From: Bettina Bierly To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C37507B.1FE8CA96@lavoltapress.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 18:28:34 -0800 Status: RO on 1/5/02 11:14 AM, Lavolta Press at fran@lavoltapress.com wrote: > Yesterday, I received a package from my family containing the gifts > they forgot to send with the first two Christmas packages. These > include a hand-knitted garment from my brother, which, I must admit, > stumps me. > > Tearing my husband away from our mutual scientific pursuit of trying > to identify our species of ant so we can buy the correct traps (our > current ant "restaurants" are patronized only by B-list ants), I asked > > his opinion. He thinks it is a sweater for a python--a python whose > color chart recommends a combination of charcoal gray, ivory, and > black in stripes. Though the shape and size of the garment favor this > > theory, my brother knows we don't own a python. > > Reminding myself that it's the duty of a writer on technical subjects > to boldy confront mysterious objects and procedures without the > support of a user manual, I analyzed the garment. Specs: Hand > knitted, about 4 3/4 feet long and 1 foot wide (the knit's elasticity > > makes it hard to measure, and like all knits it can stretch larger). > About 15 inches on each end sewn into a tube. The middle not sewn > into a tube, though tending to curl inwards. A muffler? Possibly, > though a rather long and large one. Seam facing outward for about 6 > 1/2 inches on each tubular end, indicating that end is designed to be > turned up, especially since one end bears a contrasting label reading > "smith & hone." Sleeves? I put an arm into each end. This resulted > in a garment with two rather short sleeves and large turned-up cuffs, > with the nontubular part hanging like a stole across my back. > > So I know how to wear it . . . maybe. What I don't know is what it's > called, and more importantly, what to wear it _with_. Is this > sportswear? Evening wear? Is it worn over long-sleeved, > short-sleeved, or sleeveless garments? Over dresses or ?? It seems > to be more of an accessory than for functional warmth--but with > fashion you never know. > > Whatever the Knitted Thing is, it's sure to be trendy in Manhattan. > My brother never gives me anything that's not trendy in Manhattan. It > may also be expensive, since his gifts tend to be. The sequined > evening purse he gave me looks like the sequins were applied with > nanotechnology that went out of control. > > So--can any New York fashion mavens on the list help me? > > Fran It sounds like a shrug. They are are often worn over dresses (especially in the evening) and lately have been textured (fuzzy) or even sparkley. They were worn in the 1950's for a time and can be very chic. Bettina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 17:55:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01483 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:55:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05NRDF22236; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:27:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NR0s26751; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NPfs26486 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:25:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.14f.6ccca4a (16633) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:25:44 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <14f.6ccca4a.2968e578@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14f.6ccca4a.2968e578_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:25:44 EST Status: RO --part1_14f.6ccca4a.2968e578_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/5/02 6:08:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > What are you supposed to wear a shrug with? > Darned if I know. I think that sort of thing was popular back when I was younger and I found them useless. Not warm enough to keep you from being cold or too warm otherwise . Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_14f.6ccca4a.2968e578_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/5/02 6:08:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes:


What are you supposed to wear a shrug with?

      Darned if I know.  I think that sort of thing was popular back when I was younger and I found them useless.  Not warm enough to keep you from being cold or too warm otherwise
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Lalah
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--part1_14f.6ccca4a.2968e578_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 17:58:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01489 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:58:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05NU7F22489; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:30:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NTss27450; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:29:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NOCs26187 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:24:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:23:46 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAB@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:24:16 -0800 Status: RO Wow! How 'bout a Fortuny gown? It occurs to me, that in all the years I've known you, I've never seen you in anything other than historicals. (... and hello to Allan) --cin Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 18:02:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01509 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:02:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05NYDF22769; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:34:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NY0s28321; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NWos28079 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:32:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.174]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020105233301.QMKY11568.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 00:33:01 +0100 Message-ID: <3C378D47.10309@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment References: <8d.11f080f9.2968d617@aol.com> <3C378735.86755BC0@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 00:33:27 +0100 Status: RO Hello. I would never have guessed what it was, but now i se it, i rather like it. Very nice! Bjarne Lavolta Press wrote: >Thanks! It's the tube scarf/shrug on this page: > >http://store.yahoo.com/sowear/sweaters.html > >But to achieve _that_ look, in terms of coordinates, I'd have to >polish my behind. > >What are you supposed to wear a shrug with? > >Fran > >LalahTT@aol.com wrote: > >>As a totally fashion challenged person, this is not my area of >>expertise, but I was fascinated. Take a look at this website and >>see if you can get some help here. Fashion Designer: Smith & Hone >> >>Lalah >>Never Give up, Never Surrender, >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 18:11:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01549 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:11:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05NhEF23334; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:43:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Nh0s01042; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from glatton.cnchost.com (glatton.cnchost.com [207.155.248.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NeZs00404 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:40:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (lax9-tgn-lvp-vty1.as.wcom.net [216.193.21.1]) by glatton.cnchost.com id SAA16197; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:40:46 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <200201041456.g04Eucs12044@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] LOTR costume details - hobbit women Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:37:53 -0800 Status: RO Here are a few shots of hobbit women from the front: http://www.fantasyplanet.cz/lotr/picture_show.asp?id=958&obr_url=../gfx%2Fpi ctures%5Fclanky%2Flotr%5Fgal%5Fvelky%5F2001%5F12%5F15%5F20%5F11%5F10%2Ejpg - extras 2/ shot http://www.fantasyplanet.cz/lotr/picture_show.asp?id=736&obr_url=../gfx%2Fpi ctures%5Fclanky%2Flotr%5Fgal%5Fvelky%5F2001%5F11%5F28%5F9%5F29%5F21%2Ejpg - girl, hero, full bodice Went and watched the film again last night with pad and pen. These pictures do not do justice to the detailing on a lot of the "hero hobbit" bodices. A lot of those had fabric mixes of plaids or stripes with a more solid color. Seeing these, it's easy to see where they seamed the pieces to shape the bodices. The bodices are very colorful with braid edging the joined fabric pieces. There are also colorful tabs across the bodice tops. Another had a narrow "V" pattern of lacings, couldn't tell if it was false. Not all the fancy bodices have square necks, some are shaped, some have cut out in the front. Colors examples: Brown plaid bodice front, green sides, brown trim; red stripes in the side with lighter colors in front. These are very obvious differences and make the bodices very bright... and very fun looking. Question of all.... I know we're been Off Topic with the LOTR costume stuff, but I haven't found other groups doing serious discussion. Is there enough interest to start a board somewhere for discussion??? -Cat- Children didn't seem to have bodices, more like jumpers, with a bit of wings. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 18:45:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01717 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:45:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g060GEF25446; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:16:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g060G0s08297; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g060Eos08066 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:14:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:14:57 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAC@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] what do you think (1798 corset & Merveilleuse) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19647.2A7FFD80" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:14:54 -0800 Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19647.2A7FFD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bjarne, it occurs to me, that since you're doing the same 1803 dress, perhaps the same corset solution will work for your version. Corset-less. I interpret the bandeau under the bib-front (picture #43 N.Waugh) as the only corset-like thing around. Since I intended to do Merveilleuse, corset-less it is. Now a *real* Merveilleuse apparently would go ahead and show her nipples to the world. I have an 1801 Italian fashion plate showing one low-cut gown. The models nipples are not drawn in, but they are colored in pale pink. Looks like fruit on a platter. Wish I could show you! It's in the storage locker in Calif. That's all a bit too shocking for me. I chose to put the front neck up just a tad. Tho you are right. The CF on mine is too full & in the wrong place. Back to the drawing board... or the Hanazono shrine antiques flea market. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19647.2A7FFD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
 
Bjarne, it occurs to me, that since you're doing the same 1803 dress, perhaps the same corset solution will work for your version.  Corset-less.  I interpret the bandeau under the bib-front (picture #43 N.Waugh) as the only corset-like thing around.  Since I intended to do Merveilleuse, corset-less it is. Now a *real* Merveilleuse apparently would go ahead and show her nipples to the world.  I have an 1801 Italian fashion plate showing one low-cut gown. The models nipples are not drawn in, but they are colored in pale pink.  Looks like fruit on a platter. Wish I could show you!  It's in the storage locker in Calif.
That's all a bit too shocking for me. I chose to put the front neck up just a tad.  Tho you are right. The CF on mine is too full & in the wrong place. Back to the drawing board... or the Hanazono shrine antiques flea market.
--cin
Cynthia in Tokyo 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C19647.2A7FFD80-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 18:48:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01728 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:48:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g060KDF25768; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:20:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g060K0s09342; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g060Hrs08845 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:17:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:18:00 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAD@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] LOTR costume details - hobbit women MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:17:57 -0800 Status: RO f-costume? some of this group are subscribers. --cin in Tokyo > Question of all.... I know we're been Off Topic with the LOTR > costume stuff, > but I haven't found other groups doing serious discussion. > Is there enough > interest to start a board somewhere for discussion??? > > -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 18:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01742 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:51:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g060N7F25979; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:23:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g060Mss09921; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:22:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g060GVs08410 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:16:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 27150 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 00:16:42 -0000 Received: from buzz.sonic.net (208.201.224.78) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 00:16:42 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d118.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.118]) by buzz.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g060Gff12157 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:16:41 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C3797A5.BE0FE513@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAB@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 16:17:41 -0800 Status: RO My brother, apparently, thinks I'm always going to modern black tie events. He says _everybody_ does that in New York. On the other hand, this beats the upholstery-cleaning machine he gave me last year. He thinks I do _housework_? I'm still trying to think of a way to unload the thing. Fran Cynthia Barnes wrote: > Wow! How 'bout a Fortuny gown? It occurs to me, that in all the years I've > known you, I've never seen you in anything other than historicals. > (... and hello to Allan) > --cin > Cynthia in Tokyo > _______________________________________________ --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 19:04:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01799 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:04:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g060aEF26824; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:36:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g060a0s12668; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g060X8s12103 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:33:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from 66-44-7-122.s1900.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.7.122] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16N1FY-0003Ht-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:33:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3C379C9B.AD72D3C8@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR costume details - hobbit women References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:38:51 -0500 Status: RO Cat Devereaux wrote: > > Here are a few shots of hobbit women from the front: > > http://www.fantasyplanet.cz/lotr/picture_show.asp?id=958&obr_url=../gfx%2Fpi > ctures%5Fclanky%2Flotr%5Fgal%5Fvelky%5F2001%5F12%5F15%5F20%5F11%5F10%2Ejpg - > extras 2/ shot > http://www.fantasyplanet.cz/lotr/picture_show.asp?id=736&obr_url=../gfx%2Fpi > ctures%5Fclanky%2Flotr%5Fgal%5Fvelky%5F2001%5F11%5F28%5F9%5F29%5F21%2Ejpg - > girl, hero, full bodice Ok, I'm confused! All I get is something that looks Czechoslovakian and no pictures. I can't even figure out how to navigate! The pictures sound great and I'm heading off to Jo-Mar Fabrics in Philly tomorrow (for anyone in the Philly area: Jo-Mar is having their 50% clearance sale until Jan 28). > Went and watched the film again last night with pad and pen. These pictures > do not do justice to the detailing on a lot of the "hero hobbit" bodices. A > lot of those had fabric mixes of plaids or stripes with a more solid color. > Seeing these, it's easy to see where they seamed the pieces to shape the > bodices. I know you mentioned this before... do you mean by shaped pieces, that the bodice is more of a "princess style" front rather than a conventional vest that uses darts? -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 19:54:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01994 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:54:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g061QFF29842; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:26:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g061Q0s22802; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g061P8s22628 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:25:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A74947902BC; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:24:25 -0600 Message-ID: <016801c19650$ac3ccb60$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAD@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR costume details - hobbit women X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:22:55 -0500 Status: RO f-costume is really quiet right now. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Barnes" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 7:17 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] LOTR costume details - hobbit women > > f-costume? some of this group are subscribers. > --cin in Tokyo > > Question of all.... I know we're been Off Topic with the LOTR > > costume stuff, > > but I haven't found other groups doing serious discussion. > > Is there enough > > interest to start a board somewhere for discussion??? > > > > -Cat- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 20:18:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02073 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:18:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g061oFF01444; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g061o0s28151; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g061lOs27550 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:47:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust68.tnt5.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.229.116.68] helo=hppav) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16N2PQ-0004Cg-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 20:47:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c19654$b4ade8c0$4474e541@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Re:The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:51:47 -0600 Status: RO Just tried to sign up. Keep getting thre message that my user name (Genie or kero)is already taken. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 21:00:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02176 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:00:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g062WFF04228; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:32:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g062W0s07030; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20408.mail.yahoo.com (web20408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.127]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g062Uls06768 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:30:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020106023059.38277.qmail@web20408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.60.146.47] by web20408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 18:30:59 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <14f.6ccca4a.2968e578@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:30:59 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I have one that is just the thing after a dance practice, when the team goes to a restaurant or something. Any time other than actual winter, I just need something on my arms, and the little bit across my back is just right. Of course, mine is not NY Chic (more like $20 and machine washable), so I don't mind if it gets kinda sweaty. -Angela --- LalahTT@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/5/02 6:08:16 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > > > > What are you supposed to wear a shrug with? > > > Darned if I know. I think that sort of thing > was popular back when I > was younger and I found them useless. Not warm > enough to keep you from being > cold or too warm otherwise > . > Lalah > Never Give up, Never Surrender, > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - > Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy > Bears at > http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 21:13:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02221 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:13:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g062jFF04991; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:45:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g062j1s09461; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta01.chello.no (mta01.chello.no [212.186.255.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g062hYs09236 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:43:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from studorg.hiof.no ([213.46.219.41]) by mta01.chello.no (InterMail vK.4.03.00.00 201-232-121 license e49469e1064252e0c4d3b333458c6cb7) with ESMTP id <20020106024345.HMBL394.mta01@studorg.hiof.no> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 03:43:45 +0100 Message-ID: <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> From: "Ingrid G. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Storr=F8?=" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [no] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: no MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 03:44:35 +0100 Status: RO Hello, all! All the talk about the merveilleuse gown has made me remember something: in March I'll be going to an event where I'll be wearing late 18th century gowns. I've not yet made them and have not decided on a pattern, although I suppose I'll draft something based on Arnold. That's not the problem however; what I'm wondering is this: what fabrics would Regency gowns be made of for winter use? I'm thinking maybe thin, soft wools, or maybe printed cotton with a flannel underdress. Or something? It can't be very fancy; I need to look like a lower middle class type person - but I also need to be warm. :) The event will last for five days; housing will be in really old houses and a lot will probably happen out of doors, so staying warm is of the essence. However, I'm NOT built like a 12-year old, and I would prefer not to look like a complete walrus if at all possible. (I will of course be wearing stays, but there's limits to the kind of magic they can work. ;) ) Also, does anyone have any tips about what items of clothing I'll need apart from the dresses themselves? Are spencers more a summer thing, or do they work in winter as well? Are there any types of winter coats I should consider especially? I'd be grateful for any help; I have never done this period before, and haven't found answers to these questions anywhere I've looked (mailnly online). :) Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 21:19:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02240 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:19:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g062pEF05484; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:51:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g062p0s10875; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g062nss10613 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:49:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D72B63A95AA for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:50:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <018101c19665$4c215240$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: <3C37507B.1FE8CA96@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:50:35 -0600 Status: RO It sounds vaguely like a shrug--I guess they are to be used when the only thing you want kept warm is your arms..I have seen such an item, I couldn't tell you about its practicality or lack thereof. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 1:14 PM Subject: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment > Yesterday, I received a package from my family containing the gifts > they forgot to send with the first two Christmas packages. These > include a hand-knitted garment from my brother, which, I must admit, > stumps me. > > Tearing my husband away from our mutual scientific pursuit of trying > to identify our species of ant so we can buy the correct traps (our > current ant "restaurants" are patronized only by B-list ants), I asked > > his opinion. He thinks it is a sweater for a python--a python whose > color chart recommends a combination of charcoal gray, ivory, and > black in stripes. Though the shape and size of the garment favor this > > theory, my brother knows we don't own a python. > > Reminding myself that it's the duty of a writer on technical subjects > to boldy confront mysterious objects and procedures without the > support of a user manual, I analyzed the garment. Specs: Hand > knitted, about 4 3/4 feet long and 1 foot wide (the knit's elasticity > > makes it hard to measure, and like all knits it can stretch larger). > About 15 inches on each end sewn into a tube. The middle not sewn > into a tube, though tending to curl inwards. A muffler? Possibly, > though a rather long and large one. Seam facing outward for about 6 > 1/2 inches on each tubular end, indicating that end is designed to be > turned up, especially since one end bears a contrasting label reading > "smith & hone." Sleeves? I put an arm into each end. This resulted > in a garment with two rather short sleeves and large turned-up cuffs, > with the nontubular part hanging like a stole across my back. > > So I know how to wear it . . . maybe. What I don't know is what it's > called, and more importantly, what to wear it _with_. Is this > sportswear? Evening wear? Is it worn over long-sleeved, > short-sleeved, or sleeveless garments? Over dresses or ?? It seems > to be more of an accessory than for functional warmth--but with > fashion you never know. > > Whatever the Knitted Thing is, it's sure to be trendy in Manhattan. > My brother never gives me anything that's not trendy in Manhattan. It > may also be expensive, since his gifts tend to be. The sequined > evening purse he gave me looks like the sequins were applied with > nanotechnology that went out of control. > > So--can any New York fashion mavens on the list help me? > > Fran > --------------------------------------------- > Visit our web pages! > Books on historic costume and vintage clothes > http://www.lavoltapress.com > Historic and vintage dance > http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 22:28:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02452 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:28:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0640GF09777; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:00:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06401s25606; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f44.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g063wMs25293 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:58:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:58:30 -0800 Received: from 66.136.213.229 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 03:58:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.136.213.229] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabricaholic tempted by Tudor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2002 03:58:30.0186 (UTC) FILETIME=[66FE58A0:01C19666] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 03:58:29 Status: RO Velveteen is a wonderful fabric to make a Tudor dress out of. (It's what I used - my wedding dress was a Tudor dress) I purchased over 8 yards of velveteen, and we still had to piece the gores. The next time I made the dress from a 54" wide linen/cotton blend, I bought 10 yards. No piecing, and almost a yard left over. (I didn't make a stomacher for the first dress, and haven't yet made it for the second.) My wedding dress had an 18" train on it - the second dress didn't. BTW - I'm not exceptionally huge either. 5'2" and approx. 130 pounds. Mary/Katerine (who will Someday get the pics of that dress up on her website) >So, I was looking at a picture of a Jane Seymour >portrait I have framed in my sewing room > >and thinking that the dress looked like velveteen (in >my print at least), and then I thought that of any >time of the year to try and buy velveteen, now might >be a good one, because stores will theoretically be >clearancing their stocks they had for holiday >projects. And I thought "hey, I might want to do a >Tudor dress within the next year - I should go buy >some velveteen!" > >But the thing is, so far I really don't know much >about Tudor. Is velveteen really as good a choice as >it seems to me? How much should I buy to make sure I >have enough for the main part of a dress? (I'm not >exceptionally huge or anything.) > >Thanks for supporting my fabric-buying addiction! > >-Angela > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 22:43:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02496 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:43:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g064FFF10717; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g064F1s28486; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g064Dfs28269 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:13:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10301 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 04:08:44 -0000 Received: from tnt0-080229.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.80.229) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 04:08:44 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020105221705.009eb4d0@sound.net> X-Sender: sherylnd@sound.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR costume details - hobbit women In-Reply-To: <3C379C9B.AD72D3C8@oldwaylane.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 22:18:42 -0600 Status: RO At 07:38 PM 1/5/02 -0500, you wrote: >Cat Devereaux wrote: > > > > Here are a few shots of hobbit women from the front: > > > > > http://www.fantasyplanet.cz/lotr/picture_show.asp?id=958&obr_url=../gfx%2Fpi > > ctures%5Fclanky%2Flotr%5Fgal%5Fvelky%5F2001%5F12%5F15%5F20%5F11%5F10%2Ejpg > >Ok, I'm confused! All I get is something that looks >Czechoslovakian and no pictures. I can't even figure out how >to navigate! The URL is extremely long and has wrapped around onto 2 lines. Copy and paste the 2 parts together & then enter them in your browser's location bar. HTH! Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 22:52:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02526 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:52:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g064OEF11243; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:24:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g064O0s00546; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g064Nqs00511 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:23:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p653-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.194.145]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA09974 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:24:01 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p653-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.194.145] claimed to be user Message-ID: <007c01c19669$1a02ad00$91c2adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <3C379C9B.AD72D3C8@oldwaylane.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR costume details - hobbit women MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:02:37 +1300 Status: RO > I know you mentioned this before... do you mean by shaped > pieces, that the bodice is more of a "princess style" front > rather than a conventional vest that uses darts? Not princess styled, but use of vertical panels to acheive shaping, very little.. mostly tubuler but feminine.. I think to keep them from being pinned in any historical era. And no darts. I've not ever seen any darts on her work. In fantasy she has used cup shaped peices for shaping round the bosom, but even on Cleo I don't recall darts (except when extras had to provide their own base costume of course).... I think she doesn't like them:) This thread is reminding me why I need to get a better agent.. I need to be out there again working! michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 23:14:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02670 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 23:14:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g064jGF12378; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:45:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g064j1s04603; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from repulse.cnchost.com (repulse.concentric.net [207.155.248.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g064i4s04393 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (lax9-tgn-lwj-vty30.as.wcom.net [216.193.30.30]) by repulse.cnchost.com id XAA03256; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 23:44:10 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200201060405.g0645as26713@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] LOTR - details - link problems Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:41:22 -0800 Status: RO >>Ok, I'm confused! All I get is something that looks >>Czechoslovakian and no pictures. I can't even figure out how >>to navigate! All the links are two lines... you've got to get the whole thing... or to look at all 600 plus images, http://www.fantasyplanet.cz/lotr/galeriefilm.asp. Be careful when you're on this site, it's not good about going backwards... bookmark as you browse because sometimes you lose the ability to navigate back to the index. Some images are very large... so be patient. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 03:56:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19484 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 03:56:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g069STF25568; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:28:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g069S0s26718; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g069Ras26653 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:27:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-138.frys.com [66.121.20.138]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g069Q2r07057 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 01:26:03 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020106012737.00cfd930@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts In-Reply-To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA8@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 01:35:16 -0800 Status: RO >> > Wishful thinking? False advertising? >> >> Over-inflated ego? Testoterone poisoning? A triumph of hope over reality? > >Art? "High" Art? Well, I've seen some which looked like stuffed animals: roosters, elephants, and fish, to name a few. No way do I think those are period. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 04:15:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19711 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:15:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g069lGF26102; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:47:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g069l0s00405; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g069i7s29789 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:44:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g069iUvo005566 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 01:44:31 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: LOTR Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <002a01c194a0$b5766d00$64c4abd0@mshome.net> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 01:54:49 -0800 Status: RO Time for him to do some reading up on the Tolkien's background. I heartily suggest "The Master of Middle-Earth". Certainly the books have as a good basic background those arch-types that English and Pre-WWI school children grew up knowing about. Not only was Tolkien a professor of languages and their origins, he was also a child of his times. Regina -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Joan Broneske Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:51 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: LOTR My husband believes that a lot of LOTR was based on Nordic mythology; afterall, there is Gandalf (a lot like Odin), elves, dwarves and "little people" (hobbits). I can see the similarity, at least in the races of characters that were used. ,%%%, Joan Broneske --==% `%%%, unicorn@softcom.net |' )`%%, \_/\ @%%, __@@" %%%--"""-.%, /`__| \%% > > __________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 05:30:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA20163 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 05:30:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06B2IF28293; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:02:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06B21s25909; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06B1Js25824 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:01:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.246]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020106110132.EYA16766.fepD.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:01:32 +0100 Message-ID: <3C382EA6.6070906@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you think (1798 corset & Merveilleuse) References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAC@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:01:58 +0100 Status: RO Dear Cynthia You are absolutely right. But my lady is going to a Sct. Petersball in London and people i know says she is very shy. No way she would go to the ball like that! I think i make it without a corset! :-) Bjarne Cynthia Barnes wrote: > > > Bjarne, it occurs to me, that since you're doing the same 1803 dress, > perhaps the same corset solution will work for your version. > Corset-less. I interpret the bandeau under the bib-front (picture #43 > N.Waugh) as the only corset-like thing around. Since I intended to do > Merveilleuse, corset-less it is. Now a *real* Merveilleuse apparently > would go ahead and show her nipples to the world. I have an 1801 > Italian fashion plate showing one low-cut gown. The models nipples are > not drawn in, but they are colored in pale pink. Looks like fruit on > a platter. Wish I could show you! It's in the storage locker in Calif. > > That's all a bit too shocking for me. I chose to put the front neck up > just a tad. Tho you are right. The CF on mine is too full & in the > wrong place. Back to the drawing board... or the Hanazono shrine > antiques flea market. > > --cin > Cynthia in Tokyo > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 05:34:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA20172 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 05:34:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06B6GF28402; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:06:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06B60s26556; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06B5As26428 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:05:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.246]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020106110524.FLO16766.fepD.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:05:24 +0100 Message-ID: <3C382F8D.50604@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:05:49 +0100 Status: RO Dear Ingtid. In the costume exhibit i saw at Lund, Sweden. There was a quilted winter coat for a lady. It was quilted with big pipes at the bottom and along the center front opening. It was made in silk but it was lined with wool. The colour was ice-blue Bjarne Ingrid G. Storrø wrote: >Hello, all! All the talk about the merveilleuse gown has made me >remember something: in March I'll be going to an event where I'll be >wearing late 18th century gowns. I've not yet made them and have not >decided on a pattern, although I suppose I'll draft something based on >Arnold. That's not the problem however; what I'm wondering is this: what >fabrics would Regency gowns be made of for winter use? I'm thinking >maybe thin, soft wools, or maybe printed cotton with a flannel >underdress. Or something? It can't be very fancy; I need to look like a >lower middle class type person - but I also need to be warm. :) The >event will last for five days; housing will be in really old houses and >a lot will probably happen out of doors, so staying warm is of the >essence. However, I'm NOT built like a 12-year old, and I would prefer >not to look like a complete walrus if at all possible. (I will of course >be wearing stays, but there's limits to the kind of magic they can work. >;) ) > >Also, does anyone have any tips about what items of clothing I'll need >apart from the dresses themselves? Are spencers more a summer thing, or >do they work in winter as well? Are there any types of winter coats I >should consider especially? I'd be grateful for any help; I have never >done this period before, and haven't found answers to these questions >anywhere I've looked (mailnly online). :) > >Ingrid >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 09:27:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24775 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:27:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06EwcF07055; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:58:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06EwIs08668; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:58:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06EuFs08058 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:56:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.163]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020106145629.BOHW16766.fepD.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:56:29 +0100 Message-ID: <3C3865B6.1060703@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] large dress for a man Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:56:54 +0100 Status: RO Hey would you know. I have had a request from a 46 year old man, if i would make him a large, large dress! :-) I think it could be fun. Bjarne Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 09:42:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24850 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:42:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06FEYF08201; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:14:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06FEHs13231; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:14:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06FBRs12452 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:11:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16NExZ-000MYh-0X for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:11:41 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: color marketing group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:43:05 +0000 Status: RO I wish nobody bothered matching things, and then maybe we could get colours we like. Who will end the rule of pink, purple and powder blue? I'm an autumn person, for goodness' sake! JEan In message , Gail & Scott Finke writes > > >The Color Marketing Group is, in my opinion, a giant scam. They "forecast" >colors for the coming year, colors which they also happen to make available >to paying customers. Everyone has to use them, because if you don't, then >your stuff doesn't match everyone else's stuff. Your carpet lines don't >match the current upholstery fabrics, for instance, or your car upholstery >vinyl doesn't match the available car paint colors. And they're not cheap! > >Yes, I have a rather violent opinion of them, and yes, it is an informed >opinion. I have worked in the graphic design field for more than a decade, >and I have interviewed "forecasters" and gone to seminars they put on. IMHO, >it's a terrible trick! > >Gail Finke > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 09:44:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24856 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:44:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06FGaF08366; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:16:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06FGHs13762; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:16:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20310.mail.yahoo.com (web20310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.91]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g06FDTs13025 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:13:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020106151344.56167.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.26.91] by web20310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 07:13:44 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] 12th Century English Costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:13:44 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Headgear question for above (noblewoman's attire): Must there be a fillet-thing, or can I get by with just the barbette & veil? If there is a fillet, can it just be a stiffened circle of the same 1-1/2" trim used on the over-tunic? What exactly holds the fillet onto your head -- is it just sitting there or fastened down somehow? Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 11:22:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25147 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:22:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06GsYF14385; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:54:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06GsGs12618; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:54:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Gp1s11474 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.111]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020106165116.QCLO14468.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:51:16 -0600 Message-ID: <3C388047.30A0F20@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAB@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <3C3797A5.BE0FE513@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 10:50:15 -0600 Status: RO The shrug or the cleaner? *L* Katie Lavolta Press wrote: > > My brother, apparently, thinks I'm always going to modern black tie events. He > says _everybody_ does that in New York. On the other hand, this beats the > upholstery-cleaning machine he gave me last year. He thinks I do _housework_? > I'm still trying to think of a way to unload the thing. > > Fran > > Cynthia Barnes wrote: > > > Wow! How 'bout a Fortuny gown? It occurs to me, that in all the years I've > > known you, I've never seen you in anything other than historicals. > > (... and hello to Allan) > > --cin > > Cynthia in Tokyo > > _______________________________________________ > > --------------------------------------------- > Visit our web pages! > Books on historic costume and vintage clothes > http://www.lavoltapress.com > Historic and vintage dance > http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 11:32:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25180 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:32:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06H4XF15020; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:04:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06H4Gs24304; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:04:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g06H1qs18390 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:01:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20578 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 17:02:07 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 17:02:07 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d184.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.184]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g06H26T02230 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:02:06 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C38834C.7F726166@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAB@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <3C3797A5.BE0FE513@lavoltapress.com> <3C388047.30A0F20@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:03:08 -0800 Status: RO Defniitely the cleaner. Fran Katie wrote: > The shrug or the cleaner? *L* > > Katie > > Lavolta Press wrote: > > > > My brother, apparently, thinks I'm always going to modern black tie events. He > > says _everybody_ does that in New York. On the other hand, this beats the > > upholstery-cleaning machine he gave me last year. He thinks I do _housework_? > > I'm still trying to think of a way to unload the thing. > > > > Fran > > > > Cynthia Barnes wrote: > > > > > Wow! How 'bout a Fortuny gown? It occurs to me, that in all the years I've > > > known you, I've never seen you in anything other than historicals. > > > (... and hello to Allan) > > > --cin > > > Cynthia in Tokyo > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > Visit our web pages! > > Books on historic costume and vintage clothes > > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Historic and vintage dance > > http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 11:48:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25237 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:48:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06HKXF16142; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:20:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HKGs28530; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:20:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HH1s27748 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.121.9ea93e5 (4570) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:17:08 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <121.9ea93e5.2969e094@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] large dress for a man To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_121.9ea93e5.2969e094_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:17:08 EST Status: RO --part1_121.9ea93e5.2969e094_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/6/2002 9:59:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > Hey would you know. I have had a request from a 46 year old man, if i > would make him a large, large dress! :-) I think it could be fun. > > Especially if he's into period drag! Get paid up front! --part1_121.9ea93e5.2969e094_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/6/2002 9:59:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes:


Hey would you know. I have had a request from a 46 year old man, if i
would make him a large, large dress! :-) I think it could be fun.



Especially if he's into period drag!


Get paid up front! --part1_121.9ea93e5.2969e094_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 11:54:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25332 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:54:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06HQXF16441; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:26:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HQGs00272; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:26:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HNbs29408 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:23:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.52.146.57.dlls.grid.net ([63.52.146.57] helo=earthlink.net) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16NH1V-0001r2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:23:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3C38885B.2841BDBB@earthlink.net> From: Magdalena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-cost: Wearing 16th Century Shirts References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104232451.009f3650@pop.telus.net> <3C37593A.BECE9F1D@earthlink.net> <010701c19639$1b72dfa0$5030c818@WorkGroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 11:24:43 -0600 Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > So you need to make the slit wider in order to insert the gusset than it > would have been if there hadn't been a gusset there, right? > No, not at all. Fold your gusset so that the two equal edges meet (fold starts at right angle and goes to middle of the long edge). Fold your body fabric so that the crossbar of the T slit is at the top. Slip your folded gusset, fold down, into the slit. Sew along the cut edges. Try it with a piece of paper and you'll see what I mean. -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 11:56:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25353 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:56:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06HSYF16559; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:28:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HSGs00839; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:28:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HQDs00257 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:26:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust37.tnt6.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.229.118.37] helo=hppav) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16NH40-0005cL-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:26:29 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c196d7$dec25fa0$2576e541@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Modern Mystery Garment Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:30:38 -0600 Status: RO My mother made something similiar to this out of cotton knit fabric for wheelchair bound folks. Hers was just a straight length of fabric that was cuffed on each end. Genie, back to lurk mode now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 11:58:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25365 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:58:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06HUXF16769; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:30:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HUGs01294; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:30:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HRWs00649 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:27:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10481 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:43:05 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment In-Reply-To: <3C38834C.7F726166@lavoltapress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:43:05 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Lavolta Press wrote: > Defniitely the cleaner. Is it a Green Machine? 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Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 12:10:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25448 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:10:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06HgZF17640; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:42:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HgHs04609; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:42:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HdWs03777 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:39:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.111]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020106173947.BIRD27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:39:47 -0600 Message-ID: <3C388BA6.A7EB78E7@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Wish me luck... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 11:38:46 -0600 Status: RO Okay after a years of bugging me, I am going to cut about 3" off my daughter's hair. Her hair is the same color as mine and I will take what I cut from hers and use it for the ends of my braid cases. *g* Katie The blonde finds another short cut...pardon the pun. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 12:22:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25475 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:22:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06HsXF18168; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:54:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HsGs07836; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:54:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20302.mail.yahoo.com (web20302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.83]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g06Hphs07170 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:51:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020106175200.89286.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.26.91] by web20302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:52:00 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wish me luck... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C388BA6.A7EB78E7@tds.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:52:00 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Best of luck to you! How old is your daughter? Mine is 34 years old now but I still remember some nightmarish haircutting episodes, mainly involving styles she wanted that I couldn't do!!..and we won't even discuss the Halloween she cut all her hair off... Please please talk to me about braid cases. What did you make them from? How do you fasten them to the end of your braid? My hair is only a couple of inches below my shoulders--would braid cases even work for me? Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" --- Katie wrote: > Okay after a years of bugging me, I am going to cut > about 3" off my > daughter's hair. Her hair is the same color as mine > and I will take > what I cut from hers and use it for the ends of my > braid cases. > *g* > > > > Katie > The blonde finds another short cut...pardon the pun. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 12:30:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25503 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:30:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06I2YF18833; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:02:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06I2Gs09892; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:02:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HxFs09132 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:59:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19409 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:59:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p18.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.146]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA26731 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:59:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201061759.MAA26731@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? In-Reply-To: <3C353736.15C74BCA@tds.net> References: <3C353553.3DE6F8AD@tds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 07:30:36 -0500 Status: RO At 11:01 PM 01/03/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Man I need sleep replace all "threat"s with "thread" > >Sorry about that Actually, that could be pretty funny. "What threat do I need to go with this costume?" could be an interesting question if you were playing a heavy -- assasin, pirate, anything like that ;) "Hand over your doubloons or I'll slit yer throat!" "Surrender all your lupines!" -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 12:31:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25507 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:30:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06I2jF18851; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:02:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06I2Ss09969; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:02:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HxHs09143 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:59:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19416 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p18.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.146]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA26736 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:59:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201061759.MAA26736@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA4@tko-exch.phoenix.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 08:08:46 -0500 Status: RO At 12:36 AM 01/04/2002 -0800, you wrote:
=A0* Uk, too much yardage in the= CB & on the side.=A0 Ironing may help this, but I doubt it. (I laughed when I looked at it. You can, too!)

I actually think the back looks great.=A0 When I made my Regency work dresses (one bib-front, one not) last summer, I wound up putting two knife pleats over each hip, and moving all of the gathers to the back of the gown, for a more columnar look.=A0 I found that gathers over the hip really made me look...=A0 hippy.=A0 Moreso than usual, that is.= =A0 I also gauged the gathers/pleats in back on the light blue gown, which worked very well to control the fabric.=A0 On the dark blue gown, I used deep knife pleats on the skirts to put a lot of fullness into the gown (as much as in the original I was working from, in Bradford), but not have it look bulky.

=A0* The bra-like front closure under the "bib" is very successful. (See photo #43, Waugh's book.) The forward & upward tug creates clevage without corsetting.

Cool.=A0 I found it didn't work for me and had to make a corset, but different body types require different solutions...

http://photos.yahoo.com\hatchikohysteria the Click the folder "Bib-front Gown 1803".

So, questions for you, ladies & gents:
=A0* What else needs work?
=A0* Would you gather the decorated panel (marked "embroidered panel" in N.Waugh diagr XXXV) or leave it flat?

What worked for me was to leave it flat, except for two small pleats/gathers under each breast.=A0 Gathering the full width of the panel made it bunch up, rather like what you've got here, but having an absolutely flat panel didn't work either, because it gapped strangely at the outside of the bust.=A0 I think there's another bib-fronted gown in either Waugh or Bradfield or Arnold that has this treatment... anyway, that worked for me.

=A0* Was the sari fabric = , while light in weight, too crisp?

The more I look at it, the less I think so, but maybe...  the suggestion about washing a sample was good, I think.

=A0* Should the "waist" line gathering be ironed flat?

Either that, or use pleats, and iron them...

=A0* The whole thing has = a "short and dumpy" effect.=A0 How to fix it?

Pleats, not gathers ;)=A0 The fabric is too stiff for gathers to work, I think (see below)

=A0* Other critique?

That was *supposed* to be my final muslin for an 1803 bib-front gown.=A0 Yeah, I'll probably take some of the excess out of the skirt, then finish it with a "good enough for Gaskell's" attitude.
--cin
Cynthia in Tokyo

It looks gorgeous.=A0 I think if you gauge the pleats and/or move most of them to the back, that'll give you more of a columnar effect, and control the gathers.=A0 I'm very envious :)

These pictures are dreadful, and the fabrics I used were cotton (for the light blue) and cotton/linen blend (for the dark blue), but for comparison, here they are:
http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/dkblue.jpg
http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/ltblue-front.jpg
http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/ltblue-back.jpg

The wind was blowing when the picture of the light blue dress was taken; it's not quite so awkward as that, usually.=A0 The dark blue fabric is the heavier of the two, and I used knife pleats for the skirt on that gown, as gathers _really_ didn't work -- way too bulky.=A0 If I have time today I'll have some more pics shot...

Please post more pics as the project evolves!

-- Mara
_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 12:37:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25521 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:37:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06I8XF19341; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:08:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06I8Gs11513; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:08:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06I6as11089 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:06:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.111]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020106180651.BXJT27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:06:51 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3891FE.AA50C40B@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wish me luck... References: <20020106175200.89286.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:05:50 -0600 Status: RO She is 14 and she just wants a straight cut to about her shoulders. Her hair is to the middle of her back. I have been fobidding her to cut her hair telling her that she has beautiful hair. It is thicker then mine and has more golden highlights. It is sickening, but I figured this way we both get what we want. I get the "real" hair ends for the braid cases without coughing up a bunch of money, and she gets a hair cut. I have an idea for the braid cases, but haven't started on them. On this page http://www.virtue.to/articles/braiding.html The author talks about using a ribbon as the third strand to braid with. I figured using that would aleaviate some of the weight everyone says braid cases put on your hair. Then I was just going to get a yard of fabric and do some embroidery and jewel work. Then hot glue my daughter's hair to the end of the braid case. Sew the braid case closed then stuff it and use the 4 strand method on the page above. If anyone thinks my theory will not work, please chime in. Katie Joan Garner wrote: > > Best of luck to you! How old is your daughter? Mine > is 34 years old now but I still remember some > nightmarish haircutting episodes, mainly involving > styles she wanted that I couldn't do!!..and we won't > even discuss the Halloween she cut all her hair off... > > Please please talk to me about braid cases. What did > you make them from? How do you fasten them to the end > of your braid? My hair is only a couple of inches > below my shoulders--would braid cases even work for > me? > > Joan Hall > "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" > "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > > --- Katie wrote: > > Okay after a years of bugging me, I am going to cut > > about 3" off my > > daughter's hair. Her hair is the same color as mine > > and I will take > > what I cut from hers and use it for the ends of my > > braid cases. > > *g* > > > > > > > > Katie > > The blonde finds another short cut...pardon the pun. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 12:42:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25571 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:42:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06IEXF19793; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:14:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06IEGs13214; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:14:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06ICMs12670 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:12:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16NHmf-000JER-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:12:37 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses In-Reply-To: <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:09:16 +0000 Status: RO It's not my period, but I have seen people wearing really gorgeous winter coats for regency / Jane Austen. They have the very high waist and puff at the top of the sleeve, the rest of the sleeve being tight. They are very flattering, and can look quite imposing and statuesque on the less-than-waiflike figure. And you could wear it for modern afterwards! Jean In message <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no>, "Ingrid G. =?iso- 8859-1?Q?Storr=F8?=" writes >Hello, all! All the talk about the merveilleuse gown has made me >remember something: in March I'll be going to an event where I'll be >wearing late 18th century gowns. I've not yet made them and have not >decided on a pattern, although I suppose I'll draft something based on >Arnold. That's not the problem however; what I'm wondering is this: what >fabrics would Regency gowns be made of for winter use? I'm thinking >maybe thin, soft wools, or maybe printed cotton with a flannel >underdress. Or something? It can't be very fancy; I need to look like a >lower middle class type person - but I also need to be warm. :) The >event will last for five days; housing will be in really old houses and >a lot will probably happen out of doors, so staying warm is of the >essence. However, I'm NOT built like a 12-year old, and I would prefer >not to look like a complete walrus if at all possible. (I will of course >be wearing stays, but there's limits to the kind of magic they can work. >;) ) > >Also, does anyone have any tips about what items of clothing I'll need >apart from the dresses themselves? Are spencers more a summer thing, or >do they work in winter as well? Are there any types of winter coats I >should consider especially? I'd be grateful for any help; I have never >done this period before, and haven't found answers to these questions >anywhere I've looked (mailnly online). :) > >Ingrid >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 12:46:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25582 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:46:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06IIXF20072; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:18:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06IIGs14548; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:18:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06IFPs13635 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:15:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.111]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020106181541.CAPX27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:15:41 -0600 Message-ID: <3C389410.59CC61A7@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? References: <3C353553.3DE6F8AD@tds.net> <200201061759.MAA26731@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:14:40 -0600 Status: RO I was thinking about doing an alt "Viking" persona. I guess that would work for that persona....or a Mongol. *L* Katie Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > > At 11:01 PM 01/03/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >Man I need sleep replace all "threat"s with "thread" > > > >Sorry about that > > Actually, that could be pretty funny. "What threat do I need to go with > this costume?" could be an interesting question if you were playing a heavy > -- assasin, pirate, anything like that ;) > > "Hand over your doubloons or I'll slit yer throat!" > > "Surrender all your lupines!" > > > > -- Mara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 12:49:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25588 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:49:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06IKXF20207; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:20:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06IKGs15094; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:20:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06II3s14506 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:18:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Oo/h+coYuiBCibMauIcdLJs="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQG7DJV7; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 13:17:38 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: color marketing group Message-ID: <20020106.101605.-140121.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-8,10-56 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:17:08 +0000 Status: RO I'ld like to know who told fashion designers we can all wear orange. Or lime green. Or fuschia. Then there are the folks who decided on Spandex for everybody, but that a whole 'nother story! Arlys, who looks best in classic colors and simply can't take fashion designers seriously anymore On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:43:05 +0000 Jean Waddie writes: > I wish nobody bothered matching things, and then maybe we could get > colours we like. Who will end the rule of pink, purple and powder > blue? > I'm an autumn person, for goodness' sake! > > JEan > > > In message , Gail & Scott Finke > writes > > > > > >The Color Marketing Group is, in my opinion, a giant scam. They > "forecast" > >colors for the coming year, colors which they also happen to make > available > >to paying customers. Everyone has to use them, because if you > don't, then > >your stuff doesn't match everyone else's stuff. Your carpet lines > don't > >match the current upholstery fabrics, for instance, or your car > upholstery > >vinyl doesn't match the available car paint colors. And they're not > cheap! > > > >Yes, I have a rather violent opinion of them, and yes, it is an > informed > >opinion. I have worked in the graphic design field for more than a > decade, > >and I have interviewed "forecasters" and gone to seminars they put > on. IMHO, > >it's a terrible trick! > > > >Gail Finke > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 13:02:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25625 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:02:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06IYYF21274; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:34:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06IYGs18040; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:34:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06IWAs17596 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:32:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2184.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.184]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02338 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:32:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3897BB.135E9694@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you think (1798 corset & Merveilleuse) References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAC@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8E6D5A0FBDA19424EF7B6BE0" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 13:30:19 -0500 Status: RO --------------8E6D5A0FBDA19424EF7B6BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, All. Cyn, I think that the corsetless look was just what the fashion of that time was trying to create, what with the raised waistline. The rise of Neo-Classical forms was followed both on architecture as well as dress. When Ken Russell did his movie "Gothic", I think he was trying to portray the Shelleys and Byron as historical Hippies, looking for freedom from conformity (Perhaps a sort of early 19th cent. bra burning, although they didn't create the style, they just followed it). Some of the paintings of women of that time are similar to the amount of flesh shown in Botticelli paintings. Sorry, not trying to use a movie as documentation or anything, just noting Russell's attempt to get inside the heads of some historical figures of the time. BTW, I think his costume person did a great job with the movie, considering some of his other films (although that is not my period of interest) Ramblingly yours, Mike T. Cynthia Barnes wrote: > Bjarne, it occurs to me, that since you're doing the same 1803 > dress, perhaps the same corset solution will work for your version. > Corset-less. I interpret the bandeau under the bib-front (picture #43 > N.Waugh) as the only corset-like thing around. Since I intended to do > Merveilleuse, corset-less it is. Now a *real* Merveilleuse apparently > would go ahead and show her nipples to the world. I have an 1801 > Italian fashion plate showing one low-cut gown. The models nipples are > not drawn in, but they are colored in pale pink. Looks like fruit on > a platter. Wish I could show you! It's in the storage locker in > Calif.That's all a bit too shocking for me. I chose to put the front > neck up just a tad. Tho you are right. The CF on mine is too full & > in the wrong place. Back to the drawing board... or the Hanazono > shrine antiques flea market. > --cin > Cynthia in Tokyo > --------------8E6D5A0FBDA19424EF7B6BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, All. Cyn, I think that the corsetless look was just what the fashion of that time was trying to create, what with the raised waistline. The rise of Neo-Classical forms was followed both on architecture as well as dress. When Ken Russell did his movie "Gothic", I think he was trying to portray the Shelleys and Byron as historical Hippies, looking for freedom from conformity (Perhaps a sort of early 19th cent. bra burning, although they didn't create the style, they just followed it). Some of the paintings of women of that time are similar to the amount of flesh shown in Botticelli paintings. Sorry, not trying to use a movie as documentation or anything, just noting Russell's attempt to get inside the heads of some historical figures of the time. BTW, I think his costume person did a great job with the movie, considering some of his other films (although that is not my period of interest) Ramblingly yours, Mike T.

Cynthia Barnes wrote:

  Bjarne, it occurs to me, that since you're doing the same 1803 dress, perhaps the same corset solution will work for your version.  Corset-less.  I interpret the bandeau under the bib-front (picture #43 N.Waugh) as the only corset-like thing around.  Since I intended to do Merveilleuse, corset-less it is. Now a *real* Merveilleuse apparently would go ahead and show her nipples to the world.  I have an 1801 Italian fashion plate showing one low-cut gown. The models nipples are not drawn in, but they are colored in pale pink.  Looks like fruit on a platter. Wish I could show you!  It's in the storage locker in Calif.That's all a bit too shocking for me. I chose to put the front neck up just a tad.  Tho you are right. The CF on mine is too full & in the wrong place. Back to the drawing board... or the Hanazono shrine antiques flea market.
--cin
Cynthia in Tokyo 
--------------8E6D5A0FBDA19424EF7B6BE0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 13:15:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25733 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:15:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06IlIF22041; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:47:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Il1s20907; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (sm0101.promedia.net [208.131.40.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Ijds20619 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:45:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from gateway (ppp-208-171-197-19.01.promedia.net [208.171.197.19]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g06Ik4v18853 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:46:04 -0800 Message-ID: <006601c196e2$d1da3b40$0100a8c0@mshome.net> From: "Joan Broneske" To: References: <054f01c193ec$c3418320$4905fea9@jeanne> <008601c194a1$abc8e5c0$64c4abd0@mshome.net> <054801c195f2$316dfac0$4905fea9@jeanne> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A different perspective on LOTR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:49:05 -0800 Status: RO I see!...well, that's puts a bit of a different spin on it, eh? Sorry to hear that you had to go through all of that. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Harney" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:05 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] A different perspective on LOTR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Broneske" > > > > I mean no offense or to be insensitive, but it looks like you have > more than > > issues with "gore and ick"! I can't stand horror or hacker/slasher > movies, > > they give me nightmares, but "Raiders of the Lost Ark" causing you to > have > > to go to the hospital and "LOTR" making you throw up? My Goodness! I > don't > > know how I would survive life, if I was that sensitive! > > > It isn't easy. However, at the tender age of 4, I was thrown from the > backseat of my parents' car, through the windshield, when we were hit > headon by a drunk driver at 70mph, and spent 35 days in ICU, having 5 > surgeries, and having my face rebuilt. I'm talking part of my jawbone, > part of my occipital ridge, ALL my nose cartilage (my nose was gone) etc > are now built of plastic. I was separated from my mother and lived for > 5 months with both arms splinted straight out in front of me because it > was the only way to control my ripping the stitches out and such. > I had great surgeons, and the results are virtually invisible, now that > I'm 42. > The psychologists I've seen have said that anything having to do with > blood brings back all the pain and separation anxieties from that time, > though I have no conscious memories of it. Personally, I don't mind > living in a G-rated world, and the "sensitization" process is something > WAY too long and painful to think of doing. I just avoid things that > would upset me. > > Jeanne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 14:59:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26171 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:59:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06KUkF00891; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:30:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06KUMs15309; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:30:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06KRds14669 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:27:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.36.2142cb8b (3734) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:27:45 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <36.2142cb8b.296a0d41@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_36.2142cb8b.296a0d41_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10032 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:27:45 EST Status: RO --part1_36.2142cb8b.296a0d41_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know more about early 19th century than late 18th, but I would say you could definitely wear a spencer--the late 18th c. style seems to have a really contoured sleeve. also, the Lady of Distinction recommended a flannel (that is, wool) petticoat for English winters. The dress itself should probably be cotton or linen. Someone else might have a better idea of how common wool fabrics were in this period. And of course you can wrap yourself in a shawl. Ann Wass --part1_36.2142cb8b.296a0d41_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know more about early 19th century than late 18th, but I would say you could definitely wear a spencer--the late 18th c. style seems to have a really contoured sleeve.  also, the Lady of Distinction recommended a flannel (that is, wool) petticoat for English winters.  The dress itself should probably be cotton or linen.  Someone else might have a better idea of how common wool fabrics were in this period.
And of course you can wrap yourself in a shawl.
Ann Wass --part1_36.2142cb8b.296a0d41_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 15:12:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26247 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:12:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06KicF01976; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:44:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06KiLs19093; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:44:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g06KgYs18688 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:42:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 25337 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 20:37:41 -0000 Received: from tnt0-080084.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.80.84) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 20:37:41 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020106144358.009f3500@sound.net> X-Sender: sherylnd@sound.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wish me luck... In-Reply-To: <3C3891FE.AA50C40B@tds.net> References: <20020106175200.89286.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 14:46:50 -0600 Status: RO At 12:05 PM 1/6/02 -0600, you wrote: >She is 14 and she just wants a straight cut to about her shoulders. >Her hair is to the middle of her back. I have been fobidding her >to cut her hair telling her that she has beautiful hair. It is >thicker then mine and has more golden highlights. It is sickening, >but I figured this way we both get what we want. I get the "real" >hair ends for the braid cases without coughing up a bunch of money, >and she gets a hair cut. Katie, Don't stress too much, please. I had my mom do EXACTLY the same thing at that age! There was a heat wave that year. My mom ended up liking it so much that when I eventually decided to grow my hair long again, she tried to talk me out of it! Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 15:30:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26333 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:30:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06L2dF03305; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:02:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06L2Ls23506; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:02:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06L0Ws23129 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:00:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.111]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020106210048.VEIZ14468.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:00:48 -0600 Message-ID: <3C38BAC3.8090704@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wish me luck... References: <20020106175200.89286.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020106144358.009f3500@sound.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 14:59:47 -0600 Status: RO Well just like every other "mom/teenager" senario, she will just have to learn on her own that when we "round faced" people have short hair it looks like we have a perminate case of the mumps or we are forever mimicing a squirrel with cheeks full of nuts. *LOL* Katie *just installed Netscape 6.2.1 and can't find the spell check for mail...panic panic!!* Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: > > Katie, > Don't stress too much, please. > I had my mom do EXACTLY the same thing at that age! > There was a heat wave that year. > My mom ended up liking it so much that when I eventually > decided to grow my hair long again, she tried to talk me out > of it! > > Sheryl Nance-Durst > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 15:58:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26449 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:58:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06LUeF05163; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:30:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06LUMs29909; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:30:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06LSPs29466 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:28:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.69.201d380e (2616) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:28:36 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <69.201d380e.296a1b83@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Yet another take on LOTR... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:28:35 EST Status: RO When did Tolkein become anything to do with history? I've not seen the movie yet and don't want to read a spoiler on it therefore am deleting the whole thread. I've also realized that I've deleted MOST of what comes into my mailbox from this list over the past few weeks. Is is possible to kill the fantasy thread and come up with something that has to do with Historical clothing??? I know it's fun and fascinating to talk about but there are more appropriate forums. Warning historical costume content-Eleanora di Toledo's pair of bodyes is of tan silk moire, the strips we have always thought were garters are, in actuality, the grave bindings. Have a Lovely Day, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 16:12:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26489 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:12:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06LidF06004; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:44:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06LiLs03379; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:44:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Lfqs02787 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:41:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16NL3Q-000IB7-0K; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:42:09 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: costume list From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 12th Century English Costume In-Reply-To: <20020106151344.56167.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:39:38 +0000 Status: RO I've found plenty pictures of women wearing veils without fillets. I'm not sure whether all fillets are actually coronets, or similar denotations of rank, or just fashion, but they're definitely not required to keep the veil on. I don't think I've seen any period examples where the fillet looks like trim - they're usually either a plain band which might be metal or might be ribbon, or if they're decorated they look like metalwork. This would make sure it stays on, just by its own weight. But it depends how accurate you want to be, lots of people nowadays do it with trim. You just need to find a way of fixing it tight enough round your head that it stays on - tied or pinned or velcro or whatever. One word of warning - if it's windy, and your veil flies, it will lift the fillet unless it's really secure. JEan In message <20020106151344.56167.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>, Joan Garner writes >Headgear question for above (noblewoman's attire): > >Must there be a fillet-thing, or can I get by with >just the barbette & veil? If there is a fillet, can >it just be a stiffened circle of the same 1-1/2" trim >used on the over-tunic? What exactly holds the fillet >onto your head -- is it just sitting there or fastened >down somehow? > >Joan Hall >"If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" >"Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 16:14:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26493 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:14:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06Lj1F06031; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Lihs03462; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:44:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Lfqs02786 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:41:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16NL3Q-000IB7-0K; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:42:09 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: costume list From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 12th Century English Costume In-Reply-To: <20020106151344.56167.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:39:38 +0000 Status: RO I've found plenty pictures of women wearing veils without fillets. I'm not sure whether all fillets are actually coronets, or similar denotations of rank, or just fashion, but they're definitely not required to keep the veil on. I don't think I've seen any period examples where the fillet looks like trim - they're usually either a plain band which might be metal or might be ribbon, or if they're decorated they look like metalwork. This would make sure it stays on, just by its own weight. But it depends how accurate you want to be, lots of people nowadays do it with trim. You just need to find a way of fixing it tight enough round your head that it stays on - tied or pinned or velcro or whatever. One word of warning - if it's windy, and your veil flies, it will lift the fillet unless it's really secure. JEan In message <20020106151344.56167.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>, Joan Garner writes >Headgear question for above (noblewoman's attire): > >Must there be a fillet-thing, or can I get by with >just the barbette & veil? If there is a fillet, can >it just be a stiffened circle of the same 1-1/2" trim >used on the over-tunic? What exactly holds the fillet >onto your head -- is it just sitting there or fastened >down somehow? > >Joan Hall >"If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" >"Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 16:44:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26562 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:44:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06MGLF09493; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:16:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06MFms12095; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:15:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06M7Ns09927 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:07:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g06M2wg17650 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:02:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005801c196ff$3c3c5ba0$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: <69.201d380e.296a1b83@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yet another take on LOTR... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:12:24 -0500 Status: RO Greetings-- > When did Tolkein become anything to do with history? Tolkien has a lot to do with history. He was a professor of Anglo-Saxon literature and a linguist, and his works reflect his studies. They're not history--but they're a very interesting example of how a knowledge of period literature can influence a modern story. >Is is possible to kill the > fantasy thread and come up with something that has to do with Historical > clothing??? So start one already! :-) I'm sure you'll have lots of takers. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 17:26:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26703 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:26:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06MwLF12918; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:58:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Mw2s22002; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06MvIs21675 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:57:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-21-97.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.21.97]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACU16394; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:57:23 GMT Message-ID: <009701c19706$047a33c0$2e284ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:01:03 -0000 Status: RO Some of the provancel quilted skirt stuff might be nice. But it isn't high waisted really. Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 17:35:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26726 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:35:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06N7JF13495; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:07:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06N71s24112; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06N6Os23962 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:06:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.39.161.102]) by femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020106230641.PPXF20896.femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:06:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3C38D884.433F44B3@home.com> From: Liz / Cozit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200201060405.g0645as26713@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: shrugs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@home.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 18:06:44 -0500 Status: RO As to what to wear them with or why? Basically, any time you could wear a shawl, you could wear an equivalent "shrug". I've even seen a few designer type varients... can't remember how long ago... where it (obviously) wasn't called a shrug, but went over the shoulders, down to cuffed wrists, and draped "elegantly" down to near knee length. Last time I saw one, it was black... I *think* paired with either a grey or silver slim skirted dress... that was also draped side to side ... sort of bunting style? (don't know how you describe it... think that short piece in the front of some of the styles that were worn on bustled skirts way back when... ... now that I think of it, the skirt may have resembled that, slim with the drape in front, but only to mid/upper thigh or so) Problem with odd pictoral memories that pop up... you can almost but not *quite* see what you're remembering... -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 17:40:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26741 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:40:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06NCJF13857; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:12:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NC1s25246; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NBKs25095 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:11:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.8b.11cb8bfe (25715) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:11:28 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <8b.11cb8bfe.296a33a0@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Re:Yet another take on LOTR...large can of worms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:11:28 EST Status: RO In a message dated 6/1/02 4:17:27 PM, nicolaa@columbus.rr.com writes: << Tolkien has a lot to do with history. He was a professor of Anglo-Saxon literature and a linguist, and his works reflect his studies. They're not history--but they're a very interesting example of how a knowledge of period literature can influence a modern story. >> Okay let's rephrase this-what has a fantasy movie set in no where land/no when time got to do with historical costuming? I was referring to the Rings movie rather than the man himself. >>So start one already! :-)<< As my first attempt with the Eleanora items went flat-Here are a few others. Where does one currently obtain cloth of gold or cloth of silver? If I was still in NYC I'd know where to go but not here. Ditto non mylar metallic gold and/or silver trims, When are Janet Arnold's new books coming out, what's the strangest thing you've heard of concerning garb that is so blatantly obvoiusly false (ie "they didn't use ____") and how did you find the correct information out, what's the earliest use of an indoor water closet anyone can come up with, if the pile on "silk" velvet is rayon/acetate/poly on a silk ground and most mundane rayon velvets have a rayon pile what difference would it really make to use the rayon velvet (shiny velvet did exist as did shiny silk, high shine like way rad nasty bridal satin) {outside of competitions of course}, where's a site on Elizabethan stumpwork [for use on clothing not on boxes or books I found those], can anyone explain blackwork paths to me in a way I can understand? I end up with a mess every time I try and can't find a teacher near enough to physically show me what to do, I need 3 pair of slouch boots or chukka boots in various colours for a 3 y/o (I found the ones for my 8 y/o son but nothing small enough for my daughter) any clue as to where to get them?, how do I get my husband to wear a fitted doublet? he says he wants a doublet then doesn't want it "binding" him, why is it that most of the ostrich plume fans look like feather dusters with a staple in the cone part?, even plain brown sandals are better than Reboks on a kid in garb (pet peeve), I'll post more as I think of them. I'm in process of making a garnet/black shot silk taffeta version of the brown velvet Isabella queen of Portugal gown on Drea's site. The chemise is of silk organza with pouffed sleeves with 4mm 14kt gold beads in the poufs on the "yoke", the gown lining is black silk taffeta and the trim is 2 inch wide gold silk organza ribbon with cultured pearls, the smock is of white silk organdy. Another project is the red Anne of Cleves gown made of a turquoise/semi-metallic gold shot brocade (for lack of a better term-the fabric has the same iridescence as shot silk) with semi-metallic gold companion fabric with semi-metallic gold twist trim, lots of beads and pearls. Hopefully there are enough topics there to let people choose. In Service, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 17:53:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26769 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:53:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06NPKF14744; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:25:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NP1s28247; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NOxs28229 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:24:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.12]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020106232515.BFDE25405.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:25:15 +0100 Message-ID: <3C38DCF4.8060200@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] merverilleuse muck up Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:25:40 +0100 Status: RO Cynthia. I finished the muslin model of my dress this evening. But, you know me i cant deside to the model. It is very hard for me not to make some of my own design to a garment. So my merveilleuse dress ended up like this: The skirt is the same, only i have a seam in the middle of the back because i made my model to be laced in the back. I didnt make the bodice like the real thing. I made a small back panel and one big forepart bodice. Then i have gathered the bodice at the skirt line under each bust. The sleve is very flattering so i have only made small changes. I dont have a cuff. In stead i have gathered the chiffon to a rose in the middle of the sleave where the gathers spread out in pleats like a sun. This is the only embellishment i have made. It is a very beautifull dress. I really like the simplissity, so nice. Also because the dress is white. Now here comes a question. Should i make a handle in the train so that my lady can danse in it? How would you suggest i made that? Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:14:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26824 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:14:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06NkcF16361; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:46:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NkJs03450; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:46:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NjNs03210 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:45:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12259 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:01:00 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Not LOTR (was: Yet another take on LOTR) In-Reply-To: <8b.11cb8bfe.296a33a0@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:01:00 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > As my first attempt with the Eleanora items went flat-Here are a few > others. > Hopefully there are enough topics there to let people choose. Lady G., as you have already pointed out, some people with no interest in LOTR are deleting those threads. So your Eleanora topic and the others you posted may not reach the people you're trying to reach, since you posted them under an LOTR subject line. Also, it would be a service to the list in both the short- and long-term if you would open new threads with individual posts, under separate, descriptive subject lines. In the short term, you will get much better response -- I am sure I am not the only person who deletes posts based on subject line when my reading time is short, and I will miss queries that are batched under a subject line that relates to a period I don't do. In the long term, you will gain the gratitude of people who use Eric P.'s archive, now that it's searchable *only* by subject line and author, not through a free-text search (a loss I lament). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:14:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26828 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:14:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06NkVF16328; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:46:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NkCs03402; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:46:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net (sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.182]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Nj7s03026 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:45:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from iljohn01-30.midwest.net ([64.91.192.35] helo=hppav) by sire with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16NMyh-0005IK-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:45:24 -0800 Message-ID: <002d01c1970c$94139e80$23c05b40@hppav> From: "Mary-Gayle Jany" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C196DA.45D7EBE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] QEII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:47:56 -0600 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C196DA.45D7EBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone seen the dresses of Queen Elizabeth II that are currently = displayed in Bath "up close and personal"? If so, please give us a = personal view. Which, if any, struck you as one that historical = costumers four hundred years from now might want to examine? Which ones = seem most representative of the "common" person's current lifestyle? = Were there any that surprised you in some way? Were any of such unusual = coloring or with unique embroidery/ beadwork/jewel encased, etc. that = they will have interest to needleworkers or seamstresses in the future? = Which one would you most like to acquire? etc. Tell all, please. Meg ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C196DA.45D7EBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone seen the dresses of Queen = Elizabeth II that are currently displayed in Bath "up close and personal"?  If = so, please give us a personal view.  Which, if any, struck you as = one that historical costumers four hundred years from now might want to = examine?  Which ones seem most representative of the "common" person's current lifestyle?  Were there any that surprised you in some way?  = Were any of such unusual coloring or with unique embroidery/ beadwork/jewel = encased, etc. that they will have interest to needleworkers or seamstresses in the future?  Which one would you most like to acquire?  etc.  = Tell all, please.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C196DA.45D7EBE0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:24:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26861 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:24:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06NuKF17013; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:56:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Nu1s05697; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NtXs05603 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:55:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.d2.11d5847e (4321) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:55:42 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] QEII To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:55:42 EST Status: RO In a message dated 6/1/02 5:47:08 PM, talk2meg@midwest.net writes: << Has anyone seen the dresses of Queen Elizabeth II that are currently displayed in Bath "up close and personal"? >> Come on Teddy-spill. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:31:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26915 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:31:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0702QF17678; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:02:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07027s07122; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.zrz.tu-berlin.de (mail2.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.4.14]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0701ls07042 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:01:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from p-164-152.zrz.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.164.152] helo=math.tu-berlin.de) by mail2.zrz.tu-berlin.de with esmtp (exim-3.34) for id 16NNEk-0002wM-00; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 01:01:58 +0100 Received: (from barbara@localhost) by math.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00615; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:01:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from barbara) From: Barbara Maren Winkler Message-Id: <200201070001.BAA00615@math.tu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <200201060405.g0645hs26726@net.indra.com> from "h-costume-request@indra.com" at "Jan 5, 2002 09:05:43 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com CC: Barbara Maren Winkler X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Back from Kopenhagen Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:01:56 +0100 (CET) Status: RO Hi all, For 10 hours now, I am back from my Denmark-Kopenhagen trip and now finally found the time to get to the net again. I thought I'd never catch up with all those h-cost postings. Bjarne has posted on it, but I couldn't read it until now! So I REALLY for the first time met another member of this list -- and it was Bjarne!! And it was so wonderful! At first I hadn't thought that I would make it to Denmark at all because child and partner both had chickenpox over Christmas. The trip got substantially more expensive than anticipated, but it was worth it! We met at the station, Bjarne lead us to a very nice cafe in Kopenhagen where we had coffee and talked about embroidery, costumes, and lace, while my good little girl slept in her stroller much of the time. Bjarne had brought me three photo albums of his work, so I could look at the costumes he had made for a hairdressers' show! They were incredible. Really, there is this society in Copenhagen that really does the most exaggerated, most extreme 18th century hairdos -- and they look perfect, like on old paintings! And they are lucky, so lucky, to have Bjarne who made the proper 18th century costumes. I don't know what was more impressive -- this huge number of costumes he made for that one event? The colors? The patterns? The hairdos? Some of the costumes are at http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/embroideryandlace.htm, like http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/pompadour.jpg All I had, by comparison, was a picture of the one 1880th costume I made, the "cotehardie-inspired" dress for a friend this summer, and a couple of pictures of my own FOs (finished objects). Because I knew that Bjarne does gold embroidery, I finally did something I have wanted to do since 1998 and put my pictures of the gold embroiderers in Bokhara (Buchara) in Uzbekistan (on the silk road) together to form a small documentary on Bokharan gold embroidery. The interesting thing is that the gold embroidery tradition, basically the techniques, seems to have been big in Paris and even Berlin, too, in the 18th century -- I once heard a lecture on this -- but while here it was lost, it travelled eastward, served the Emir's court in the 19th century and is nowadays revived as a popular art. People really wear gold embroidery (with metallic thread, but not real gold thread any more, of course) today for festive occasions; the tradition is alive. And there techniques are still practiced and passed on that nobody in Europe seems to care about any more. Except people like Bjarne! Bullion thread is called ``Kantille'', in German, too. Yes, he really brought me the gold embroidery he is working on right now -- the front opening of a 1770th man's jacket, together with matching buttons. Bjarne has put part of that embroidery on the net, under ttp://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/weeklycostume.htm. I saw some of the embroidery at http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/goldwork.jpg , he also brought some of the buttons at http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/lommeknap.JPG . But it is SOO different to really touch this in reality! For some reason, Bjarne has chosen to state that all he does is chain stitch. I personally disagree, I have seen (at least) buttonhole stitch, couching, French knots, and satin stitch, in addition to chain stitch. Now, when next time I am in Kopenhagen and have time and am free to do whatever I want, I will see, at least, in addition to the National Museum which I like a lot and which holds some of the most famous treasures of Northern European early history (http://www.natmus.dk), the costume section of the National Museum, which is somewhere out of town, the National Gallery, the Design Museum, the Industry Design Museum, the Rosenborg Castle, and the architecture museum. Since in 2 days and with boyfriend and child, time is so limited, I only made it to the Rosenborg Castle and the National Museum, where I had a walk through the "Stories of Denmark" exhibit. Nicely, the two exhibitions I got to see this way quite complemented each other. The Rosenborg castle, in addition to holding the royal treasure, was early designed to be a cultural history museum to display the lifestyle of the kings through the ages - each room on the first floor was furnished and decorated by one king and in the fashion of his time. Lots of tapestries that I tried very much to imagine what they looked like before all the yellow and red color faded out. The "Stories of Denmark" exhibition in the Nationalmuseet tells the same story, but not only of kings, but of all people. It has weapons, household items, clothes and other textiles and really everything that gives a feel for the life of the times in Denmark, from 1660 to 2000. I even saw a very nice Icelandic folk dress, a couple of waistcoats the style Bjarne is making (yes, very very similar), and a few rolls of To/nder lace. At last, Bjarne showed me and Sarah to a lacemaking supplies shop where I got some more bobbins! Before, I didn't have enough for the lace class, now, I have way in excess of the required number. Thanks Bjarne for a wonderful afternoon! Now to bed -- tomorrow I have to work again... Barbara Maren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:39:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26958 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:39:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g070ALF18247; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:10:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070A1s09130; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07098s08890 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:09:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_purify_v31_r1.13.) id 6.87.15902351 (4321) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:09:15 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <87.15902351.296a412b@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Queries, new topics and current projects Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:09:15 EST Status: RO This is a reposting of my last posting- Thanks, Robin good suggestion! >>So start one already! :-)<< As my first attempt with the Eleanora items went flat-{Eleanora di Toledo's pair of bodyes is of tan silk moire, the strips we have always thought were garters are, in actuality, the grave bindings} Here are a few others. Where does one currently obtain cloth of gold or cloth of silver? If I was still in NYC I'd know where to go but not here. Ditto non mylar metallic gold and/or silver trims, When are Janet Arnold's new books coming out, what's the strangest thing you've heard of concerning garb that is so blatantly obvoiusly false (ie "they didn't use ____") and how did you find the correct information out, what's the earliest common use of an indoor water closet anyone can come up with, if the pile on "silk" velvet is rayon/acetate/poly on a silk ground and most mundane rayon velvets have a rayon pile what difference would it really make to use the rayon velvet (shiny velvet did exist as did shiny silk, high shine like way rad nasty bridal satin) {outside of competitions of course}, where's a site on Elizabethan stumpwork [for use on clothing not on boxes or books I found those], can anyone explain blackwork paths to me in a way I can understand? I end up with a mess every time I try and can't find a teacher near enough to physically show me what to do, I need 3 pair of slouch boots or chukka boots in various colours for a 3 y/o (I found the ones for my 8 y/o son but nothing small enough for my daughter) any clue as to where to get them?, how do I get my husband to wear a fitted doublet? he says he wants a doublet then doesn't want it "binding" him, why is it that most of the ostrich plume fans look like feather dusters with a staple in the cone part?, even plain brown sandals are better than Reboks on a kid in garb (pet peeve), I'll post more as I think of them. I'm in process of making a garnet/black shot silk taffeta version of the brown velvet Isabella queen of Portugal gown on Drea's site. The chemise is of silk organza with pouffed sleeves with 4mm 14kt gold beads in the poufs on the "yoke", the gown lining is black silk taffeta and the trim is 2 inch wide gold silk organza ribbon with cultured pearls, the smock is of white silk organdy. Another project is the red Anne of Cleves gown made of a turquoise/semi-metallic gold shot brocade (for lack of a better term-the fabric has the same iridescence as shot silk) with semi-metallic gold companion fabric with semi-metallic gold twist trim, lots of beads and pearls. Hopefully there are enough topics there to let people choose. In Service, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:40:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26969 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:40:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g070CKF18536; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:12:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070C1s09773; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumedesign.net (ns2.plugit.com [63.66.1.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070B7s09460 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:11:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from c1132969a [24.178.47.30] by costumedesign.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id AA84A1B601EC; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 18:23:32 -0600 Message-ID: <006601c1970f$bc2c2d80$1e2fb218@roalok1.mi.home.com> From: "Kelly Rinne" To: References: <3C3865B6.1060703@post12.tele.dk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] large dress for a man MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-RBL-Warning: This E-mail was sent from a mail server [No Reverse DNS] with no reverse DNS entry. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Kelly Rinne" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:10:36 -0500 Status: RO oh, I used to do drag gowns for men all the time - its great fun. Make sure you figure out whether or not he plans to do cleavage (breasts) If he wants to order a set, here in the US Fredericks of Hollywood sells great silicone-filled sets of two. They look and feel very real, and are kept on with spirit gum. Write if you have any questions... -kel ----- Original Message ----- From: Leif Drews To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: [h-cost] large dress for a man > Hey would you know. I have had a request from a 46 year old man, if i > would make him a large, large dress! :-) I think it could be fun. > > Bjarne > > Leif Drews > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > 1635 København V > > Bjarne Drews > Åboulevard 5,3.th > 1635 København V > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:48:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26999 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:48:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g070KKF19032; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:20:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070K1s11722; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.zrz.tu-berlin.de (mail2.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.4.14]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070JCs11516 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:19:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from p-165-031.zrz.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.165.31] helo=math.tu-berlin.de) by mail2.zrz.tu-berlin.de with esmtp (exim-3.34) for id 16NNVc-00036W-00; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 01:19:24 +0100 Received: (from barbara@localhost) by math.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00641; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:19:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from barbara) From: Barbara Maren Winkler Message-Id: <200201070019.BAA00641@math.tu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <200112312252.fBVMqBZ08615@net.indra.com> from "h-costume-request@indra.com" at "Dec 31, 2001 03:52:11 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com CC: Barbara Maren Winkler X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: LOTR again, quite OT, sorry Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:19:22 +0100 (CET) Status: RO > From: "Maggie Secara" > For those who would like a laugh: > > "Galadriel" means "Blondie", more or less. > > Well, no. The element "galad" means "tree" and her name essentialy means "tree > lady", if I recall correctly. Sorry to be so late answering this, only just back from Kopenhagen where I met Bjarne. If I recall "The languages of Tolkien's Middle Earth" correctly, ``galad'' means light (Gil-galad: star-light) ``galadh'' is tree (galadhremmin ennorath, tree-woven middle-earth) (but galad and galadh are sometimes interchangeable, ``el'' is the female ending in Sindarin and ``riel'' means ``crowned girl'', the ``ri-'' supposedly coming from a root ``rig'', ``to wind a wreath/crown'', and put everything together, you have the name for a blonde baby girl: light-crowned girl, Galadriel, Blondie. Later in Middle Earth, she became the tree lady, and the name was reinterpreted. I hate to be discussing this on h-costume and would feel better if there was another forum for this for those who are interested, but I don't subscribe to f-costume and think I won't just for the purpose of discussing LOTR. LOL means Laughing Out Loud and ROTFL means Rolling On The Floor Laughing, what is LOTR supposed to mean? Laughing On The Run? Apart from costumes and violence (there was too much in in in my opinion, too) (and I hate fighting scenes extra prolonged in films, and lots of scenes were just expanded for suspense and show: The entry to Moria -- the fight in the chamber -- the running down the stairs -- and others) -- I found the views of Orthanc great, the way the camera swooped over it, the clouds behind, Saruman's figure standing on top and conjuring a spell. The friend I went to the movie with said afterwards that what he doesn't like about such movies is how flat and badly-made reality looks when you come out. When he said that, we were just below a twenty-storey glass tower at the Potsdamer Platz in Berlin, and when we looked up, could see the December clouds go over it in the dark sky at quite a speed, and I thought that reality wasn't so badly designed in comparison to the movie after all. See some of you tomorrow in lace class, Barbara Maren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 19:00:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27042 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:00:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g070WKF19914; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:32:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070W1s14824; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070VQs14695 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:31:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:31:38 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B018F0F@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:31:36 -0800 Status: RO You say both "18th c" and "Regency", so I'm a little confused, Ingrid. I'd be surprised if spensers were an 18th c item, but I really don't know. Since you specifically asked about spensers, here's info on that. Spensers are definitely a wintertime Regency thing. There's red ones & hunter green for fun colors, plus the usual blacks & browns. I have a French fashion plate here dated 1806. Model is viewed from the side back. Cant describe much about the front except that the fur collar trim extends past the "waist" level. Deep red jacket, white fur(?) on short puff sleeves. Light tan gloves, 24 button length, so tops are covered by the spenser sleeve cuff & fur. The gown is white or ivory, minimal decoration at hemline. Smallish ivory or white turban. Title is "Robe pour la Promenade". Unusually, the ensemble is not described further. Other spensers are trimmed a la military jackets mostly. Do you have Boucher's "20K Years of Fashion"? There's a red one in there, too, with buttons forming a V down the front. "Revolution in Fashion" has my favorite hunter green wool spenser. For warmth: wool shawl, lined gloves and a bonnet. For further warmth, interline the spenser with domette. Try wool challis, if you cant find domette. I cant help you with day dresses. Not my thing. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo > Also, does anyone have any tips about what items of clothing I'll need > apart from the dresses themselves? Are spensers more a summer > thing, or do they work in winter as well? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 19:20:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27113 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:20:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g070qKF21340; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:52:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070q1s19629; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070pas19522 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:51:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A0F33780240; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 18:50:59 -0600 Message-ID: <00d401c19715$37c2b860$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200201070001.BAA00615@math.tu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Kopenhagen X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:49:51 -0500 Status: RO Barbara, How exciting!!!! It is wonderful to meet h-costume people. Get lots of sleep... Bjarne's class starts tomorrow. BTW, did you bring the teacher an apple? LOL!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 19:38:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27181 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:38:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g071AKF22499; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:10:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g071A0s23687; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0719Qs23560 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:09:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g071AAu28171 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:10:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020106191242.02b1e7a0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <00d401c19715$37c2b860$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> References: <200201070001.BAA00615@math.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Off to England Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 19:13:58 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, Well, I'm off to England (mostly London) this week and would love to meet up with some of you H-Costume folk who live across the pond. Please email me or call me at Teddy's where I'll be staying so we can arrange something. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 19:55:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27231 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:55:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g071RKF24196; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:27:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g071R1s27888; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from goliath.cnchost.com (goliath.cnchost.com [207.155.252.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g071QPs27745 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:26:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (lax9-tgn-luk-vty24.as.wcom.net [216.193.8.24]) by goliath.cnchost.com id UAA20516; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:26:40 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200201061740.g06HeJs04018@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Moving LOTR costume discussion to f-Costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:23:42 -0800 Status: RO Here's the URL to sign up for f-costume... We'll do Lord of the Rings discussion there. http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/f-costume It will give you a choice of Digest or daily. Let's give it about a day's break to get anyone interested over there...... -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 20:05:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27286 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:05:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g071bKF25152; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:37:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g071b1s00686; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g071a9s00286 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:36:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AB6887C0196; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 19:35:36 -0600 Message-ID: <010001c1971b$683fb000$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200201070001.BAA00615@math.tu-berlin.de> <5.0.0.25.2.20020106191242.02b1e7a0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off to England X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:34:10 -0500 Status: RO Danielle, Do you have room in your suitcase for me??? I know you will have a wonderful trip. Is Teddy putting you up in his sewing room with all the boxes???? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 20:29:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27366 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:29:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0720KF26771; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:00:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07201s05970; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g071xws05940 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:59:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17457 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p52.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.180]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA07230 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:00:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201070200.VAA07230@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment In-Reply-To: <3C378D47.10309@post12.tele.dk> References: <8d.11f080f9.2968d617@aol.com> <3C378735.86755BC0@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 20:56:06 -0500 Status: RO >>Thanks! It's the tube scarf/shrug on this page: >> >>http://store.yahoo.com/sowear/sweaters.html >> >>But to achieve _that_ look, in terms of coordinates, I'd have to >>polish my behind. >> >>What are you supposed to wear a shrug with? >> >>Fran Oh, how funny! I'll have to find the directions for my spinners/weavers newsletter this month, with a note. I've seen directions to knit this kind of thing before; they're usually knit a bit bigger, though, and hang down to the waist in back, so they're worn rather like a sweater around the house, when you want something a bit warmish but not too much so. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 20:31:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27391 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:31:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0723LF27039; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:03:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07231s06732; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0722rs06689 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:02:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17943 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p52.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.180]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA07566 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:03:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup In-Reply-To: <3C36D969.9010100@post12.tele.dk> References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 20:59:03 -0500 Status: RO At 11:46 AM 01/05/2002 +0100, Bjarne wrote: >And apropos this corset from 1795 even if Norah Waugh says it was worn >well into the next century, i believe that it was those who didnt follow >the new fashion. The bustcurve is absolutely just like 18th century, and >it is not good to make a regency dress. I think I made up the corset you're talking about -- it looks like an 18th c. corset, except that it has a laced opening at the top of the center front. If you leave the laces loose on this "gusset", the opening serves to allow the bust to 'lean out' a bit -- so it's not exactly like earlier 18th c. corsets, which don't allow a bust curve at all. It worked pretty well for me -- boosted the bustline without suppressing it altogether. Yes, the line of the corset is low -- about nipple-height sounds about right. The bust is held in above the corset (somewhat) by one's shift. Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 20:32:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27394 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:32:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0722KF26914; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:02:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07220s06452; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0721Us06324 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:01:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:01:43 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAE@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] merveilleuse mock up MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:01:36 -0800 Status: RO > RE: [h-cost] merverilleuse muck up I had to laugh when I read your original subj line. "Muck up!" I really doubt you've made a muck up (a mess). Looking forward to pictures, of course! > I finished the muslin model of my dress this evening. > But, you know me i cant deside to the model. It is very hard > for me not to make some of my own design to a garment. Bravo! Mine will go in a box. We've just discovered (yesterday) that we'll be leaving Japan in about 6 weeks. Eek, so much to do in so little time! (Mara, thankyou for your comments. I'm printing out the whole thread and putting it in the box. I suspect you & Drea are both right about the hip gathers becoming pleats. I re-made the hip gathers w/ 2/3 the original fabric. Still looks like I have a deformity. Since I dont have Bradfield or that particular JArnold here, I wont be tempted away from packing up the aparto. >"Ken Russell... sort of early 19th cent. bra burning... movie not documentation MikeT, I've vaguely wondered how pervasive the whole Merveilleuse thing was. Did it happen throughout Paris everyday for several summers? Was it something that happened once, when 2 or 3 gals loosened their drawstrings and held a salon to read naughty poems like Shelley's "The Flower" whereafter the gossip (like my Italian plate reporting Parisian fashion) spread like wildfire? Was it all just a "thought experiment" and in truth never happened? I dont know. Would love to see a first hand account or six. Will probably never research it, but hoping someone else will & report in excrutiating detail. > Now here comes a question. Should i make a handle in the > train so that my lady can danse in it? > How would you suggest i made that? I'd drape it over the arm. It's in so many fashion plates. Do you have the book of plates from Ackerman's? N.Waugh mentions that the draped skirts hug the limbs of the wearer. Look at some of the contemporary quotes, too. When waltzing, drape over the lowered right arm. My vague recollection is that most of the ballgowns in this decade are without trains. The trains seem to be for diplomatic receptions, dinners & other formal events. Check as I'm not sure. I, for some reason, think that Fran owns a skirt lifter. Metal? Sort of a rectangular thing with a clip or ratchet arrangement. The metal piece hung from the wrist with a length of ribbon. It maybe from a different period (like 1870s or '80s?). It's the only one I've ever seen. --cin in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 20:33:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27398 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:33:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0725JF27244; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:05:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07250s07179; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0724Is07016 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:04:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.4f.1693d1b4 (3984) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:03:19 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.1693d1b4.296a5be7@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0724Is07016 Subject: [h-cost] LOTR forum Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:03:19 EST Status: RO Try the link or the (unbelievably LOOOOOOONG) url. Cut and paste works. THETOLKIENFORUM.com @ THELORDOFTHERINGS.com - "… www.thetolkienforum.com/forumdisplay.php?s=c4cbfbaf46f8ce2ece27e5d3b2c5f662&fo rumid=19 the bit after the "?" denotes which forum you want to go to, they only have about a hundred different ones on this site, so that's an important bit. Thank you one and all, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 20:38:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27412 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:38:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g072AKF27572; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:10:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g072A1s08399; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g072A0s08385 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (A020-0047.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.82.47]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g072AHR117298 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:10:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c19721$16588720$2f52fe3f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: wheelchair costumes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:13:10 -0500 Status: RO > I have two books on this subject, actually. (I once considered starting a > clothing company specializing in garments for physical limitations and > calling it User Friendly Clothing Company) One is published by Simplicity > and called "Design Without Limits" The other is titled "Dressing With Pride" > by Evelyn S. Kennedy and was published by PRIDE (Promote Real Independence > for the Disabled and Elderly) in 1981. If you want more info about the > books, let me know. > Actually, that'd be GREAT!!! Do you have any idea if either is still in print? I could always hit my mom up for one of them for a birthday present for next month.;-D Moira _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 20:42:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27447 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:42:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g072DQF27741; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:13:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g072D2s09096; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:13:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g072Cds09011 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:12:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19178 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p52.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.180]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA08284 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:12:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses In-Reply-To: <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:08:23 -0500 Status: RO At 03:44 AM 01/06/2002 +0100, you wrote: >I'm thinking >maybe thin, soft wools, or maybe printed cotton with a flannel >underdress. Exactly -- thin, soft wools would be perfect. Or cotton, with a wool redingote or pelisse worn over... And a wool shawl, of course... >Also, does anyone have any tips about what items of clothing I'll need >apart from the dresses themselves? Are spencers more a summer thing, or >do they work in winter as well? Are there any types of winter coats I >should consider especially? I'd be grateful for any help; I have never >done this period before, and haven't found answers to these questions >anywhere I've looked (mailnly online). :) > >Ingrid A redingote of this period would be a long, wool coat, often in green or blue, with a high waistline and a cape. I've seen pics online, but can't recall quite where. I just did a Google search, and turned this up: http://locutus.ucr.edu/~cathy/dress/redgt.html They're a bit late, but give the general idea... And this: http://hal.ucr.edu/~cathy/dress/pelisse.html -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 21:15:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27557 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:15:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g072kPF00694; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:46:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g072k2s17177; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g072jWs17075 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:45:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (A020-0083.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.82.83]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g072jnR110206 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:45:49 -0500 Message-ID: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C196FC.21EBA1A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:50:18 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C196FC.21EBA1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've thought about it, but hadn't been able to think of something I = could use reliably at events and remove the rest of the week, when I = need to get around tight spaces with my 4 children, two of whom are = preschoolers. Believe it or not, my biggest problem has been the top or = lap level of the skirting. (believe me, a good italian renn skirt gets = really ugly when pinned in such a way that I could get around.) I = usually take the feet off of my manual chair, as I have arthritis in my = upper body as badly as the rest of me. For the powerchair, I've = considered something I could sit on, making it easily removable for the = rest of the week, but I need to get better batteries before I can put = that idea to work.;-p Moira Have you tried having someone make something like the old chain = covers for bikes? It should be possible to affix something that would = keep your skirts out of the wheels. Wish I were closer, I love this = kind of challenge. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? 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I've thought about it, but hadn't = been able to think of something I could use reliably at events and remove the rest = of the week, when I need to get around tight spaces with my 4 children, two = of whom are preschoolers.  Believe it or not, my biggest problem has been = the top or lap level of the skirting.  (believe me, a good italian renn = skirt gets really ugly when pinned in such a way that I could get = around.)  I usually take the feet off of my manual chair, as I have arthritis in = my upper body as badly as the rest of me.  For the powerchair, I've = considered something I could sit on, making it easily removable for the rest of = the week, but I need to get better batteries before I can put that idea to work.;-p
Moira

 
     Have you tried having someone = make something like the old chain covers for bikes?  It should be = possible to affix something that would keep your skirts out of the wheels. =  Wish I were closer, I love this kind of challenge.

Lalah
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------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C196FC.21EBA1A0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 21:41:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27702 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:41:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g073DMF02539; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:13:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g073D0s24748; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g073Cis24655 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:12:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g073DXu16647 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:13:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020106210856.00a707d0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off to England In-Reply-To: <010001c1971b$683fb000$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> References: <200201070001.BAA00615@math.tu-berlin.de> <5.0.0.25.2.20020106191242.02b1e7a0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:11:05 -0600 Status: RO Sorry Penny, I'm sure my suitcases are going to be full both ways. I have to bring clothes for a month as well as costumes for Teddy's coronation. I'm not sure how I'm going to get it all in the suitcase actually. I think that is where he's sticking me. If he really thinks it safe for me to be let loose in his sewing room.... tee hee. Cheers, Danielle At 08:34 PM 1/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Danielle, > >Do you have room in your suitcase for me??? I know you will have a >wonderful trip. Is Teddy putting you up in his sewing room with all the >boxes???? > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 22:14:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27857 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:14:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g073kKF05996; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:46:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g073k0s05874; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g073jQs05653 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:45:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p235-nas4.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.208.235]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA22558 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:45:42 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p235-nas4.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.208.235] claimed to be user Message-ID: <007201c1972c$e63d0b40$ebd0adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <200201070001.BAA00615@math.tu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Kopenhagen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:39:18 +1300 Status: RO It's so ice to be on a list with people who have been to the places I have been:) > For 10 hours now, I am back from my Denmark-Kopenhagen trip and > now finally found the time to get to the net again. We met at the > station, Bjarne lead us to a very nice cafe in Kopenhagen where > we had coffee and talked about embroidery, costumes, and lace, > while my good little girl slept in her stroller much of the > time. I crossed between København and Malmö several times so was very familiar with the station;). Even if I did manage to lose my platform the first time and didn't really get the whole click your own ticket thing... > Since in 2 days and with > boyfriend and child, time is so limited, I only made it to > the Rosenborg Castle and the National Museum, where I had a > walk through the "Stories of Denmark" exhibit. I had a few hours and only managed to stumble across Tivoli (closed) and the museum by accident;). Pleased I did even if I did have to rush through most of the exhibits. And if you see my site: http://phoenix.song.tripod.com/2001trip/kopenhavn.htm I did *not* use a flash for my photos. It was bloody amazing seeing statues up close enough to touch.. I was actually nervous of tripping and breaking something.. I wasn't about to hasten their deterioration by using a flash on my camera! Of course though, most photos are blurry, oh well... It has weapons, household items, clothes and > other textiles and really everything that gives a feel for the > life of the times in Denmark, from 1660 to 2000. Was that the series of rooms? I unfortunatly had to really rush through those because I had a booking at Det Ny Teater which I ran to meet:). Bjarne.. you know what I was seeing;)? It's beautiful isn't it? Even in winter when everyone was asking me "Why are you here now??"... Apart from the price and the fact it was my 25th birthday, I like winter.. gives you a real feel for how people really behave, rather than when everyone is happy with sunny weather:) Hope you have a nice rest and catch up on sleep.... nice warm glow when you come back from a cultural trip. Even if i did wind up in bed for a week with a nasty cold;) michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 22:23:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27913 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:23:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g073sLF06799; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:54:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g073s1s08717; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g073rus08681 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:53:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2194.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.194]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30659 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:54:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3C391B65.4CA28643@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Yet another take on LOTR...large can of worms References: <8b.11cb8bfe.296a33a0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:52:06 -0500 Status: RO Hi. In answer to the last post, I just want to add that, as I mentioned in a previous post, John Howe was one of the conceptual designers for the film. John is a member of the Companie of St George, probably the finest and most authentic 15th cent. reenactment and Living History groups out there. You can see the quality of their work in John and Gerry's book "The Medieval Soldier". John managed to sneak in some great historical stuff into a fantasy film (see notes on a previous post). As to the questions, I believe that due to the work involved in creating real cloth of gold/silver, you are looking at India or Pakistan for sources. Tinsel Trading Company out of NYC has a website. They occasionally have real antique metallic trims. Check the archives of this list, there was a post earlier regarding the publishing of JA's work. I've been playing in the SCA for 20+ years, nothing about pseudo-documentation is strange to me anymore, not even people trying to justify plastic armor or Nike sneakers. My research started out the same as all others, with a need to avoid making the same excuses as everyone else, and, yes, I had some bad stuff "back then" but, as they say "I got better". You can see an illustration of a water closet in John Harrington's book "A new Discourse of a Stale Subject, Called the Metamorphosis of Ajax (London 1596). IMO, the feel and sheen of the silk pile is different, but if it doesn't matter to you, it doesn't matter to me. If you mean by stumpwork the little stuffed figures, they are not seen until at least 1620's (that I have seen), but if you mean detached buttonhole stitch, you can find some on a jacket dated 1600-1625 in the Burrill Collection in Glasgow. (There might also be some on some glove cuffs, but most of it looks like satin stitch and couched work to me). It is not in my range of abilities to explain blackwork, but if you send me a note, I will give you a biblio of all of my wife's books on the subject, you can ILL them, and possibly one or two of them together might be able to give you an adequate explanation. For the 3 y.o.'s boots, are you talking for period or non-period use? I have made all of my son's shoes for their different periods (one of my pet peeves is nicely made period clothing without the proper accessories, but I don't push it on others). Tell your husband that a fitted doublet was done that way so as to create a youthful-looking silhouette (make the waist smaller and emphasize the shoulders). Tell him that to do it any other way would be to make him look sloppy, and that you'd never want to do that to his body proportions or your good name as a seamstress. You might also want to try tying or hooking his doublet to his breeches. This keeps everything together, and there is no gap between breeches and doublet. It is actually quite comfortable that way. The fans probably look that way because they are not well made (at least in comparison to fans made in period), but since I can't see the ones you are looking at, I'll reserve my judgement. Hope this helps, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 23:17:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28235 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:17:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g074nOF10783; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:49:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g074n1s24879; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g074mms24843 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:48:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m144.in-tch.com [216.166.191.144]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g074bqn27452 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:37:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C3929BA.A6EC8CA3@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals References: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:53:14 -0700 Status: RO Sorry that I'm probably going to be quoting the whole message, but I think it got sent in some sort of fancy text, which my computer (sent to do plain text only) does odd things to when I respond..... At any rate, Moira, have you ever thought of fudging on the fullness of the skirts, since that seems to be a major problem (and I can see how it would be, too ). Certainly, it's a century for large skirts, but there are some slimmer-styled skirts, too, as well as some with less fullness in front. Some of the tudorish stuff, with the almost flat fronts comes to mind, or that great ropa-and-kirtle from Janet Arnold..... Just some ideas..... --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 23:38:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28303 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:38:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g075ALF12429; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:10:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g075A1s29756; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0759hs29692 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:09:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust204.tnt3.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.193.14.204] helo=earthlink.net) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16NS2r-0007Ry-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:10:02 -0800 Message-ID: <3C390DF0.A254B846@earthlink.net> From: AF Murphy X-Sender: "AF Murphy" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <8b.11cb8bfe.296a33a0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]large can of worms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:54:40 -0500 Status: RO Minoan Crete, in Knossos. Don't remember, off-hand, how many centuries BCE... but quite a few! I would suspect that most people who don't want to read about LOTR didn't read your post, since the subject wasn't changed visibly. Anne LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > what's the earliest use of an indoor water closet anyone can > come up with, _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 23:48:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28349 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:48:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g075KLF13041; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:20:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g075K1s02139; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g075Jbs02066 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:19:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from kat.optonline.net (ool-18bbaa6a.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.170.106]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GPJ004LKYT6FH@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:19:56 -0500 (EST) From: Purple Kat Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals In-reply-to: <3C3929BA.A6EC8CA3@in-tch.com> X-Sender: purplkat@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020107001627.00c08100@mail.optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:20:12 -0500 Status: RO have you tried posting this question to the SCA-disabled list?? their addy is medievaldisableds@yahoogroups.com this list is not only for SCA but all disableds who are into reinactment Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 00:10:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28452 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:10:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g075gMF14102; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:42:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g075g2s06693; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g075fvs06665 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:41:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 83424 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2002 05:42:02 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-70.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.70) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 05:42:02 -0000 Message-ID: <007301c1972e$d49e04a0$ac37fea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:53:12 -0500 Status: RO Sounds like a very fun project, Ingrid! I have personally seen a deep purple wool Regency spencer in the D.A.R. museum collection, beautifully detailed with velvet "military" trimming and lined with silk. I've also seen a red wool long cape with hood and a very thin, lightweight wool daydress with extremely long sleeves (almost to the fingertips). And, as someone else mentioned, flannel petticoats are discussed in a couple of period sources (I think they are listed in _The Mirror of the Graces_ as necessities for winter, but I can't find my copy to verify this). And long Regency coats can easily be made by adding a "skirt" to your spencer. They are very attractive and cozy, too! Have fun! Jennie Chancey - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 00:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28606 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:51:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g076NMF16263; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:23:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076N1s14775; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076MKs14658 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:22:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-147.frys.com [66.121.20.147]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g076L0r32590 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:21:01 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020106221442.017e0400@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries, new topics and current projects In-Reply-To: <87.15902351.296a412b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:22:37 -0800 Status: RO >grave bindings What are 'grave bindings'? >what's the earliest common use of an indoor water closet >anyone can come up with Roman >can anyone explain >blackwork paths to me in a way I can understand? Whth double-sided 'Holbein' stitch, you're doing half the pattern on the first pass, and the other half on the return path. Where the needle comes up thru the cloth on the first pass, it goes down there on the return path. That way both sides of the design look the same. >how do I get my husband to wear >a fitted doublet? he says he wants a doublet then doesn't want it "binding" >him Explain to him that if he wants one, he has to be willing to wear it. If he thinks they look good but isn't willing to wear it, because he thinks it binds someplace, tell him to get a Ken doll and you'll put one on that for him to look at. >why is it that most of the ostrich plume fans look like feather dusters >with a staple in the cone part? Because feather dusters are made from ostrich plumes? Because the plumes on the fans aren't attached to the ends of sticks but are fastened together all at one point? Gosh, mine never look like that. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 00:51:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28610 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:51:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g076NdF16279; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:23:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076NJs14847; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:23:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076MNs14671 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:22:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-147.frys.com [66.121.20.147]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g076Kxr32587 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:20:59 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020106220824.017ab6e0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wish me luck... In-Reply-To: <20020106175200.89286.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3C388BA6.A7EB78E7@tds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:10:08 -0800 Status: RO >..and we won't >even discuss the Halloween she cut all her hair off... One year one of mine had already cut all her hair off, and for Halloween she wore all metallic-silver clothes and makeup, I glued silver Mylar squares all over her head (hair 1/4" long) and she went as a Disco ball (her idea). Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 00:52:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28614 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:52:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g076NkF16302; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:23:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076NPs14890; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:23:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076MNs14670 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:22:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-147.frys.com [66.121.20.147]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g076L2r32593 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:21:03 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020106222514.017e4c80@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals In-Reply-To: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:28:45 -0800 Status: RO > >> >> I've thought about it, but hadn't been able to think of something I could >> use reliably at events and remove the rest of the week, > > I was thinking of a partial slipcover. Non-wheeled chairs get full > slipcovers, so why can't a wheeled one get one which doesn't cover the > wheels? > > And as for dresses which are too big in the skirt, have you considered a male > persona? Not to fool anybody, but just to get trousers. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 00:52:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28619 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:52:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g076OKF16362; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:24:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076O0s15052; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076Nqs15018 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:23:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020107062406.CWKU24940.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:24:06 +0000 Message-ID: <06e501c19743$d7790480$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> <007301c1972e$d49e04a0$ac37fea9@jchancey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] question about patterns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:20:14 -0600 Status: RO I realize that this may be OT but I am curious as to how to deal with an individual trying to sell me a photocopy of a pattern. I believe that it is worth the photocopy paper it is copied on and will only purchase it if the copyright is free and clear. I will break that rule for things having to do with research from periodicals that I cannot purchase or find anywhere else in the world. Not for a commercial pattern that was printed in the 20th century that is very likely to show up at auction again or at the lending library for purchase. Am I wrong? I have not heard back from the seller who contacted me after I lost a bid to one of many patterns I bid on at a local auction house via a third party. I am not really sure what pattern they were referring to as the message was about one sentence long offering me a copy at the price at my highest bid. Laughable really as I would never pay that much for a photocopy. I am bidding that high for the ORIGINAL. :) I just have never really run across this before. What I have run across is swapping vintage pattern scans of copyright free issues. No money exchanged hands, no usmail involved. But have always been careful about the clarification of the copyright. Sincerely, Franchesca Havas McKinney, Texas º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 01:16:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28712 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:16:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g076mLF17677; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:48:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076m0s20031; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g076lUs19928 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:47:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18541 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 06:47:46 -0000 Received: from tempest.sonic.net (208.201.224.25) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 06:47:46 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d252.nas26.sonic.net [209.204.191.252]) by tempest.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g076ljr00529 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:47:45 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C3944D0.91AA53C9@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about patterns References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> <007301c1972e$d49e04a0$ac37fea9@jchancey> <06e501c19743$d7790480$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:48:48 -0800 Status: RO > I realize that this may be OT but I am curious as to how to deal with an > individual trying to sell me a photocopy of a pattern. > > I believe that it is worth the photocopy paper it is copied on and will only > purchase it if the copyright is free and clear. See the following website, "When Works Pass Into the Public Domain": http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm > I have not heard back from the seller who contacted me after I lost a bid to > one of many patterns I bid on at a local auction house via a third party. I > am not really sure what pattern they were referring to as the message was > about one sentence long offering me a copy at the price at my highest bid. > Laughable really as I would never pay that much for a photocopy. I am > bidding that high for the ORIGINAL. :) As to the photocopy issues: Ebay prices for pre-1920 or so patterns have tended to be high. And are further inflated by people who want to sell photocopies of patterns at prices that, IMO, are much too high for a copy, regardless of whether the pattern's copyright has expired. Sellers hope to sell originals for high prices, over $100 even, then also charge each back bidder a lower price, but still very high for a copy. They often judge how much the back bidder might pay by the amount of their bid, so the lower bidders in the same auction are offered copies of the same pattern at a lower price. Bidders who paid high prices for a pattern they won, in turn try to sell overpriced copies to the back bidders or in a later ebay auction. If they sell enough copies to continue buying and selling more patterns at inflated prices, they do it. One problem with a copy is it can vary a lot in quality. People can trace around a pattern with varying degrees of accuracy, forget markings, forget to copy parts of it or the instructions, and so on. I personally prefer to buy only originals. And I'm noticing that some ebay sellers are prominently saying, "This is not a copy" which I assume means I'm not alone in this. With patterns published after 1900 or so you're pretty sure to eventually (sometimes quickly) find a similar style in an original on ebay later. Another thing is, the recession has really brought ebay pattern prices down and so far they are continuing to drop. Usually, someone who sells on ebay but who offers to sell you something privately off ebay, does it because they think they can make more money that way than in an open auction. Which says they think demand isn't that high. I've refused to buy high-priced items people offered to sell me privately, which the sellers then put on ebay and sold for less than they tried to charge me, or they could not sell them at all. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 04:05:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA12965 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 04:05:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g079bRF24442; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 02:37:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g079b1s22916; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 02:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g079aGs22803 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 02:36:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g079aYK21355 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:36:34 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B018F0F@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:36:34 +0100 (CET) Status: RO On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Cynthia Barnes wrote: > You say both "18th c" and "Regency", so I'm a little confused, Ingrid. I'd Ah, I meant Regency in the broad sense it is sometimes used, to include the Empire and Directoire periods (mainly because I'm not sure of whether those terms are used to describe clothing in English - in Norwegian we only use Empire to describe the high-waisted look of these periods (as far as I know)), but the correct period I'm talking about would be Directoire. I think. :) Part of my problem is that the character I'm portraying comes from Trondheim in Norway, in the year 1800. I don't have any sources as to the dress of that city at that time. But judging from my sources from other parts of the country, I've figured that they'd be a few years behind British and French fashion, but still up to date enough to wear the high-waisted style. However, I won't die if I end up with a costume that dates a few years later than 1800 - frankly, I can't imagine anyone at this event noticing. Thanks so much to everyone who have answered; it has helped a great deal. :) Oh, and I forgot to ask - what about sleeve lengths? Would day dresses be short sleeved in winter as well, so that you'd rely on shalws to keep warm when inside, without the spencers? Or did sleeves follow the seasons (and common sense ;) )? Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 07:38:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13928 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:38:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07DANF02066; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:10:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07DA0s15404; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20302.mail.yahoo.com (web20302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.83]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g07D9Ms15223 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:09:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020107130943.7978.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.26.91] by web20302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 05:09:43 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wish me luck... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020106220824.017ab6e0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 05:09:43 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Very cool, and way better than my approach in the same situation. Reminding a 3-year-old of your 2 days in labor is quite remarkably ineffective, as I recall! That same scissor-happy 3-year-old is now my 30-year-old hair-growing-out buddy. Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > One year one of mine had already cut all her hair > off, and for Halloween > she wore all metallic-silver clothes and makeup, I > glued silver Mylar > squares all over her head (hair 1/4" long) and she > went as a Disco ball > (her idea). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 08:35:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14172 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:35:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07E71F05179; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07E6cs28426; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:06:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g07E5ss28235 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:05:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 23809 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 14:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.235.129) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 14:06:09 -0000 Message-ID: <3C39AB99.78733B4D@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries: silk velvet References: <87.15902351.296a412b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:07:20 -0600 Status: RO LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > if the pile on "silk" velvet is rayon/acetate/poly > on a silk ground and most mundane rayon velvets have a rayon pile what > difference would it really make to use the rayon velvet (shiny velvet did > exist as did shiny silk, high shine like way rad nasty bridal satin) {outside > of competitions of course} All of the silk velvet I've found (well, silk/rayon velvet) has been FAR too drapey to successfully use in period applications. For my purposes (mostly 16th c.), a good-quality synthetic velvet is actually a better choice. If anyone has a source for 100% silk velvet with some body to it, I would love to hear! Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 08:44:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14209 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:44:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07EGNF05815; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:16:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07EG1s00930; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07EF6s00714 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:15:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.33.206c30d5 (3934) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:15:19 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <33.206c30d5.296b0777@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] merveilleuse mock up To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:15:19 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/6/2002 9:02:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com writes: << I, for some reason, think that Fran owns a skirt lifter. Metal? Sort of a rectangular thing with a clip or ratchet arrangement. The metal piece hung from the wrist with a length of ribbon. It maybe from a different period (like 1870s or '80s?). It's the only one I've ever seen. >> It is my recollection, too, that skirt lifters are late 19th century. I seem to remember patents issued for them, or advertisements for them, or some other vague memory of documentation--the bane of our existence! (I KNOW I saw that SOMEWHERE!) Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 08:49:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14233 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:49:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07ELMF06251; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:21:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07EL0s02341; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07EKWs02217 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:20:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.5b.20e0bc36 (3934) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:20:43 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.20e0bc36.296b08ba@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries: silk velvet To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:20:42 EST Status: RO My thinking regarding velvet is that rayon, being a filament fiber, albeit man-made, more readily simulates silk than does cotton. However, you are correct about the weight. Many velvets are very "drapey." Some of the synthetics, or cotton/synthetic blends, may have the proper weight. I rather imagine that, if a 100% silk velvet exists today, it, too, will be very lightweight, or prohibitively expensive, or both. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 09:46:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14459 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:46:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07FIOF11309; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:18:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07FI1s23157; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07FHes22994 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:17:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCSLS4OMTC00E4NV@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:19:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCSLS357QS00DXH8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:19:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:15:24 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:15:09 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:15:03 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR - Galadriel's frock. In-reply-to: <200201050215.g052FEs11728@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <318DEF74E44@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:15:02 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >I've looked at several stills on the web and in a couple of books and > >it still looks like tacky nylon-lace fabric to me. Each to their > >own, of course, but I *can't* see a dress in that fabric as being in > >any way attractive. > > > I was thinking of making a purple one in acid peeled velvet over > buttersoft satin. I've used that kind of velvet before and the > textures are really fun. But then I really like soft, fuzzy, and > purple. ;) Oooh! Now that sounds like a *much* more attractive option. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 10:06:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14546 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:06:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07FcMF13500; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:38:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Fc0s02262; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Fbws02245 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:37:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCSMIAC9I800EB8D@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:40:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCSMI8WFQE00CMJX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:40:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:35:42 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:35:31 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:35:26 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals In-reply-to: <200201050559.g055xis05617@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <31935D33B47@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:35:25 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Thanks for all of the ideas. One of my biggest problems is getting > skirts caught in the wheels, especially when I am in a position to us > my manual chair for the day. What figures is that I absolutely fell > in love with Elizabethan and early Tudor just before being stuck in > these things, and love full skirts, etc. Unfortunately, I can't even > get away with a full length tunic, let alone the full stuff.;-p I > guess I could have worse problems.;-} Just a suggestion, and one you may already have thought of but....# Could you make a frame to go over the chair that would hold the skirts out over and away from the wheels (like a really big "wheel- farthingale arrangement)? The skirts could drop straight down well beyond the wheels (perhaps with hoops lower down to keep the fabric from flapping in and catching in the wheels) I you costumed the back of the wheelchair to look like a period regular chair or throne, and had hidden slits in the pleating around the top of the "wheel-farthingale" part, you could reach down through them to move the wheels when you needed to go anywhere and the rest of the time you would simply look like a lady sitting down in a large -skirted Elizabethan gown. It's need a lot of work figuring out the exact size and shape of the frame, and how/where to attach it to the wheelchair, but once it was done, you could make several different gowns to wear over it. Alternatively, you could have someone accompany you dressed as a servant, and they could push the chair you whenever you wanted to move somewhere - so you could do away with the sits hidden in the pleats... Of course, then you'd need to pay the servant, I suppose. Teddy (I can picture it clearly in *my* head, is it my fault reception isn't so clear where *you* are?) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 10:08:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14558 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:08:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07FeMF13842; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:40:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Fe0s03251; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from c0mailgw03.prontomail.com ([209.185.149.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07FdWs03032 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:39:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from c2web29 (209.185.149.10) by c0mailgw03.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.5.029) id 3C2119C300479EF5 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:32:46 -0800 X-Version: Informail 6.2.2073.0 From: "Kimberly Tribe" Message-Id: <44978AF4814B5064CAAC1539FB1DE6DE@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Cloth of Gold and Metal Trims Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:41:41 -0500 Status: RO LaLame in NY city is the best for this I've ever found. They've got a full color catalog and will send you samples of anything for free (and I mean REALLY nice samples such as 12" square pieces of thier real gold on gold fabrics and such). You can order most of thier brocades in almost any color combo you need (as well as gold and silver) and they also make lurex metallic versions of most of their brocades. As for trims, they have excellent real metal trims and banding. Thier prices aren't as bad as you might expect (like some of the silk sited posted here in the past -- ouch!). Thier customer service is wonderful and thier shipping is always very quick. Hope this helps. Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 10:17:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14611 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:17:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07FnOF14990; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:49:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Fn1s07433; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imf11bis.bellsouth.net (mail211.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.151]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Fmvs07375 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:48:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.4]) by imf11bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.00 201-253-122-122-20010827) with SMTP id <20020107155025.HWQB19910.imf11bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:50:25 -0500 Message-ID: <006901c19792$88a7c400$04144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Sarah Grochoski" To: References: <44978AF4814B5064CAAC1539FB1DE6DE@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cloth of Gold and Metal Trims MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:46:50 -0500 Status: RO Do they have a website? Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimberly Tribe" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] Cloth of Gold and Metal Trims > LaLame in NY city is the best for this I've ever found. They've got > a full color catalog and will send you samples of anything for free > (and I mean REALLY nice samples such as 12" square pieces of thier > real gold on gold fabrics and such). You can order most of thier > brocades in almost any color combo you need (as well as gold and > silver) and they also make lurex metallic versions of most of their > brocades. As for trims, they have excellent real metal trims and > banding. Thier prices aren't as bad as you might expect (like some > of the silk sited posted here in the past -- ouch!). Thier customer > service is wonderful and thier shipping is always very quick. Hope > this helps. > > Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor > ____________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 10:48:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14785 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:48:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07GKOF18781; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:20:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GK1s24326; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GJks24167 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:19:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.11e.9c9ae8a (4586) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:19:53 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <11e.9c9ae8a.296b24a9@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries, new topics and current projects To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:19:53 EST Status: RO In a message dated 7/1/02 12:24:21 AM, kayta@frys.com writes: << What are 'grave bindings'? >> They tied the hands and feet together to stop postmortem movement during the various stages of rigor mortis, the coins on the eyes (which I think everyone has heard at one point or another) is to keep the eyes closed. Apparantly doesn't take much weight to do that. Best, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 10:50:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14799 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:50:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07GMNF19053; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:22:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GM0s25550; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GLus25505 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:21:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.183.1bb5cc5 (4586) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:22:07 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <183.1bb5cc5.296b252f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries: silk velvet To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:22:07 EST Status: RO In a message dated 7/1/02 8:07:36 AM, melanie@faucet.net writes: << If anyone has a source for 100% silk velvet with some body to it, I would love to hear! >> 100% silk velvet is not hard to come by, it's hard to pay for. $400 and UP per yard. Can't conscience that. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 10:59:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14868 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:59:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07GVNF20246; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:31:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GV1s00516; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GUPs00180 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:30:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCSOC6NNQO00E4UA@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:32:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCSOBWD1DE00DENF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:32:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:27:52 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:27:47 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:27:39 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] QEII In-reply-to: <200201070003.g0703Ds07401@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <31A14DB0B0B@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:27:38 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > In a message dated 6/1/02 5:47:08 PM, talk2meg@midwest.net writes: << > Has anyone seen the dresses of Queen Elizabeth II that are currently > displayed in Bath "up close and personal"? >> Come on Teddy-spill. Not me, Anne, I've only ever travelled *through* Bath on my way to other places so have never had the chance to visit the costume Museum. And, if I did, I wouldn't spend any time at all on the current Queen's clothing.... not a period I'm really interested in. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 10:59:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14873 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:59:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07GVcF20289; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:31:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GVGs00656; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:31:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20304.mail.yahoo.com (web20304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g07GUQs00193 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:30:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020107163044.40171.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:30:44 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:30:44 -0800 (PST) Status: RO What do people do with long straight bangs when wearing "pre-bang" garb? Or do serious re-enactors simply bite the bullet & grow them out? There is something about the shape of my face that I feel I look much better with bangs, particularly when wearing my hair up or back. Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 11:09:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15021 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:09:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07GfNF21851; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:41:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Gf0s05866; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm7.jersey.juno.com (wm7.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.227]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Gers05798 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:40:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VChzbKVTXQVROctbFfRG3zE68VQpO5RJfyQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm7.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQKK84NQ; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:40:52 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:[h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020107.114052.538.3538@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:40:45 GMT Status: RO Although I have let my bangs (fringe for our English cousins) grow out in recent years, I did re-enactment for many years with bangs. What one does with them in period garb depends on the period. For many periods, headwear is de rigeur, and by choosing a type of headwear that covers the front of the head or where the bangs can be swept back into the covered area you can hide their existence. If you are doing a high-class persona/costume, or just if you want to, you can wer a wig and just hide your real hair altogether. What period are you interested in doing that the bangs wouldn't be correct for? (Gosh that was a bizarre sentence construction!!!) Karen ---------- Joan Garner writes: What do people do with long straight bangs when wearing "pre-bang" garb? Or do serious re-enactors simply bite the bullet & grow them out? There is something about the shape of my face that I feel I look much better with bangs, particularly when wearing my hair up or back. Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 11:18:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15075 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:18:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07GoMF23100; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:50:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Go0s10708; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GnAs10324 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:49:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCSOYAAM5C00DTT3@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:51:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCSOY5VV2M00DY9O@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:50:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:45:49 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:45:35 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:45:32 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off to England In-reply-to: <200201071311.g07DB7s15634@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <31A60CB128C@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:45:31 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Sorry Penny, I'm sure my suitcases are going to be full both ways. > I have to bring clothes for a month as well as costumes for > Teddy's coronation. I'm not sure how I'm going to get it all in > the suitcase actually. I think that is where he's sticking me. > If he really thinks it safe for me to be let loose in his sewing > room.... tee hee. Current plan is Daniell (who arrives first) will be in the spare bedroom (some fabric boxes, but very few - it is just across the landing from the door into the fabric-storage room in the loft space of the sewing room, however). Karen is next to arrive from Chicago, just before Coronation, she gets the sewing room. Seanan arrives from somehwere near San Francisco on the morning that we leave for Coronation. We pick her and her costumes and luggage up on the way to the Coronation and she gets the sofa-bed in the livingroom when we get back after coronation. Hmmm... Five of us, plus costumes - We are *definately* going to need a roof-box for the car. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 11:24:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15097 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:24:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07GuNF23986; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:56:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Gu0s14243; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20303.mail.yahoo.com (web20303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g07Gt6s13609 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:55:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020107165527.32013.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:55:27 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re:[h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020107.114052.538.3538@wm7.jersey.juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:55:27 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > What period are you interested in doing that the > bangs wouldn't be correct for? (Gosh that was a > bizarre sentence construction!!!) oooh - remember 7th grade? Let's go to the board and diagram this sentence! ;-) To answer your question, 12th century English. Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 11:28:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15130 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:28:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07H0NF24728; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:00:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07H01s16616; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GxLs16190 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:59:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA04766.; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:07:05 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:59:41 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g07GxLs16190 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:59:13 +0000 Status: RO I have *extremely* thick hair which it would be difficult (and unflattering) to keep off my face for everyday purposes if I didn't wear a fringe. A few years back, with advice from people on this list, I devised a way of holding it off my face with a toothed hairband thingy and hiding the result under a veil. I wear it like this with my "best" 17th century garb. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> joan_the_harpist1119@yahoo.com 01/07/02 04:30pm >>> What do people do with long straight bangs when wearing "pre-bang" garb? Or do serious re-enactors simply bite the bullet & grow them out? There is something about the shape of my face that I feel I look much better with bangs, particularly when wearing my hair up or back. Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 11:29:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15135 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:29:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07H1NF24966; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:01:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07H10s17249; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm7.jersey.juno.com (wm7.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.227]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07H0Ns16832 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:00:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VChzbKVTXQVRO3iFOcZHPByRHPIhlMq9Psw=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm7.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQKMCXBS; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:00:27 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] Off to England X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020107.120027.538.3606@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:00:22 GMT Status: RO Yippeeeee!!! I get the sewing room!!!! I am trying to figure out how to pack my Elizabethans in the smallest possible space......but they are still full court Elizabethans!!!!!! Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 11:36:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15170 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:36:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07H8OF26095; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:08:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07H80s21457; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm7.jersey.juno.com (wm7.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.227]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07H7Zs21175 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:07:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VChzbKVTXQVROId4WBu4aPY2orWR6hD2MIw=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm7.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQKMRCTK; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:07:14 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:Re:[h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020107.120714.538.3636@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:07:05 GMT Status: RO ---------- Joan Garner writes: To answer your question, 12th century English. Ah! That's an easy one! The 12th century had all sorts of interesting drapey veil things going on. If you do the late end, you can even do one of those 'pork pie', barbette, and caul arrangements. Just sweep your bangs back under the veiling and pretend they don't exist! Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 11:57:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15216 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:57:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07HTOF28831; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:29:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07HT0s03990; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07HSAs03528 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:28:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OtlIfUi7UocFBMylSvHpktQ="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQKNXJX7; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:28:05 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) Message-ID: <20020107.092639.-140121.8.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-7,9-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:56:01 +0000 Status: RO I have longish bangs and use an elasticized headband to hold them back under my veil. Know how you feel. I look much better with bangs than without. Arlys On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:30:44 -0800 (PST) Joan Garner writes: > What do people do with long straight bangs when > wearing "pre-bang" garb? Or do serious re-enactors > simply bite the bullet & grow them out? There is > something about the shape of my face that I feel I > look much better with bangs, particularly when wearing > my hair up or back. > > Joan Hall > "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" > "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 12:05:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15243 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:05:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07HUmF29089; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:30:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07HUQs04828; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:30:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07HTPs04251 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:29:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.110]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020107172946.UHBE14468.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:29:46 -0600 Message-ID: <3C39DAD1.2090507@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) References: <20020107163044.40171.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:28:49 -0600 Status: RO Veils? There is a wonderful page about wearing veils and avoiding the "muffen head" look as the author puts it http://www.virtue.to/articles/veils.html Katie Joan Garner wrote: > What do people do with long straight bangs when > wearing "pre-bang" garb? Or do serious re-enactors > simply bite the bullet & grow them out? There is > something about the shape of my face that I feel I > look much better with bangs, particularly when wearing > my hair up or back. > > Joan Hall > "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" > "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! 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Hope >>this helps. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 12:15:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15317 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:15:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07HlPF01692; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:47:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Hl1s14384; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f15.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Hk1s13855 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:46:18 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.47 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:46:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.47] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries, new topics and current projects Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2002 17:46:18.0638 (UTC) FILETIME=[361C6AE0:01C197A3] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:46:18 -0500 Status: RO ><< What are 'grave bindings'? >> > >They tied the hands and feet together to stop postmortem movement during >the >various stages of rigor mortis, the coins on the eyes (which I think >everyone >has heard at one point or another) is to keep the eyes closed. Apparantly >doesn't take much weight to do that. >Best, >Lady G Some cultures also tied the jaw shut, so that it wouldn't flap open and look like the person was screaming. Parsla _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 13:11:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15654 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:11:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07IhSF10592; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:43:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Ih1s18427; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from c0mailgw12.prontomail.com ([209.185.149.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Ig6s17868 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:42:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from c2web29 (209.185.149.10) by c0mailgw12.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.5.029) id 3C212CD40047FE58 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:35:21 -0800 X-Version: Informail 6.2.2073.0 From: "Kimberly Tribe" Message-Id: <47FF98F0F613FAF45B89BA21093B3B92@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] La Lame Phone # Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:44:14 -0500 Status: RO No, they don't have a webiste... but if you call them , they'll send you a free catalog and actuallyhave a good idea of what you mean when you describe "period" fabric designs (so you could order some samples even before you get the catalog). 212-921-9770 La Lame Inc. 250 W. 39th St. New York, NY 10018 Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 13:52:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15829 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:52:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07JNvF16497; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:23:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JNYs11040; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:23:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from inje.iskon.hr (inje.iskon.hr [213.191.128.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06KYTs16417 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:34:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from o5q7t5.public.srce.hr (st02-034.dialin.iskon.hr [213.202.67.35]) by mail.iskon.hr (8.11.4/8.11.4/Iskon 8.11.3-1) with ESMTP id g06KYdg17195 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:34:41 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020106214157.00a434d0@jagor.srce.hr> X-Sender: jkale@jagor.srce.hr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jadran Kale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] query: city names in origins of textile terms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:43:02 +0100 Status: RO Hi H-Costumers, I wonder could a snowball be rolled on by adding city names to a list of derivated textile terms? Like textile materials: "jeans" from "Genova", "denim" from "de Nimes", or textile objects like "baldachin" from Baghdad and "fez" from the city of the same name, etc.? Sincerely, Jadran Kale, curator Zupanijski muzej, P.p.7, HR-22001 Sibenik Croatia: 385 (0) 22/ 213-880, fax 213-355 @ http://jagor.srce.hr/muzej_sibenik - - Sent with PINE 4.10 from CARNet - - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 13:52:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15833 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:52:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07JO8F16558; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:24:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JNis11178; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:23:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NYBs00697 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:34:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from opalsun ([63.195.131.242]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GPJ00JG0ITGCW@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:34:28 -0800 (PST) From: Margo Glenn-Lewis Subject: RE: [h-cost] Matching thread? In-reply-to: <3C389410.59CC61A7@tds.net> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <001601c1970c$67bc9b20$0200a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: nomad@opalsun.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:46:45 -0800 Status: RO But us Mongols are simple pastoral peace-loving nomads - why would we need to 'thread' anyone? Margo Glenn-Lewis aka Morgan the Unspeakable Mongolian Nomad > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Katie > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 10:15 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? > > > I was thinking about doing an alt "Viking" persona. I guess that > would work for that persona....or a Mongol. *L* > > Katie > > Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > > > > At 11:01 PM 01/03/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > >Man I need sleep replace all "threat"s with "thread" > > > > > >Sorry about that > > > > Actually, that could be pretty funny. "What threat do I > need to go with > > this costume?" could be an interesting question if you were > playing a heavy > > -- assasin, pirate, anything like that ;) > > > > "Hand over your doubloons or I'll slit yer throat!" > > > > "Surrender all your lupines!" > > > > > > > > -- Mara > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 13:53:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15845 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:53:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07JNPF16402; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:23:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JN1s10720; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta03ps.bigpond.com (mta03ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NfFs00513 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:41:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.81]) by mta03ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPHOSK00.4JY for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:48:20 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-88.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.88]) by psmam05.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0h 101/2020634); 06 Jan 2002 09:41:20 Message-ID: <3C389BD0.3040500@bigpond.com> From: "A. Clarke" Organization: AndyCO. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] What I did on my holidays..... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 10:47:44 -0800 Status: RO Well I am back from 3 weeks with the in-laws, and in the middle of mopping up a flooded laundry (all my fault of course) to the tune of baby screams (Erin now expects to be picked up and cuddled the minute she opens her mouth - a pox on grandparents I say...). Anyway, I though I'd take a break to boast a bit. My hubby has a great aunty who is a bit of a hoarder, of all things, but I finally got a chance to raid her fabric stash, and came away with amongst other things: a pair of gold satin evening gloves, unused 3.6 m of grey angora wool 150cm wide 6m of pearl corduroy some very stiff cotton? organza with a rose print some very old woven interfacing various size pieces (50cm - 2m) of taffeta I think is silk 3m of light blue raw silk a small piece of silk? brocade (enough for a pair of sleeves) a small piece of silk? tartan all measurements and contents are approximate as I haven't had time to examine it carefully. Most of it also has a very strong smell of mothballs. Some of it is very old, as Aunty is about 75 and has been hoarding for about 50yrs I also scored a lot of fabric money for my b-day and Christmas which occur close together so I splurged at the Jan sales: Just over 18m of velveteen (dark blue and mauve) at A$3/m 5m of dark blue/black shot silk satin $15/m 10m of fine gold chain and 2m of very large link chain (looks like the big big chains worn in 16th century portraits) 10m of linen (white and black) yay!!!! I have evil plans for most of it of course, although I'd appreciate suggestions for the corduroy. It's not like the pearl cord I've seen in the shops recently. You could almost describe it as a patterned velvet (but not of good velvet quality). I wonder if it would avoid the pre-16th c controversies about corduroy for this reason.... Oh and does anyone know if angora was used before 1600? Or more specifically in the 14th/15th centuries? It is so beautifully soft, although not very finely woven, and it does have those angora hairs in (kind of like a cat has rolled on it) which I don't see as going down very well in period. Oh well. Claire PS Bjarne and Mara - As noted I have been away which is why I have not responded to requests to see my 1780's corset. I don't actually have any pics of it yet, but I was planning to take some pics of my more recent work soon so I will let you know when they are available... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 14:03:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15878 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:03:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07JZPF18492; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:35:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JZ2s17815; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm13.jersey.juno.com (wm13.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.233]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JYCs17368 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:34:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VChzbKVTXQVRO3d68BdtweqbxBFIl0XlwgQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm13.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQKV63BZ; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:34:31 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:[h-cost] query: city names in origins of textile terms X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020107.143431.594.2677@wm13.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:34:17 GMT Status: RO And there's always damask from Damascus. ---------- Jadran Kale writes: From: Jadran Kale To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] query: city names in origins of textile terms Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:43:02 +0100 Hi H-Costumers, I wonder could a snowball be rolled on by adding city names to a list of derivated textile terms? Like textile materials: "jeans" from "Genova", "denim" from "de Nimes", or textile objects like "baldachin" from Baghdad and "fez" from the city of the same name, etc.? Sincerely, Jadran Kale, curator Zupanijski muzej, P.p.7, HR-22001 Sibenik Croatia: 385 (0) 22/ 213-880, fax 213-355 @ http://jagor.srce.hr/muzej_sibenik - - Sent with PINE 4.10 from CARNet - - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 14:19:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17571 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:19:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07JnPF20610; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:49:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Jn1s25670; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from inje.iskon.hr (inje.iskon.hr [213.191.128.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Jmms25523 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:48:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from o5q7t5.public.srce.hr (st01-155.dialin.iskon.hr [213.202.66.156]) by mail.iskon.hr (8.11.4/8.11.4/Iskon 8.11.3-1) with ESMTP id g07Jn8F26979 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:49:09 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020107205745.00a5a060@jagor.srce.hr> X-Sender: jkale@jagor.srce.hr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jadran Kale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] query: city names in origins of textile terms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:57:46 +0100 Status: RO Hi H-Costumers, I wonder could a snowball be rolled on by adding city names to a list of derivated textile terms? Like textile materials: "jeans" from "Genova", "denim" from "de Nimes", or textile objects like "baldachin" from Baghdad and "fez" from the city of the same name, etc.? Jadran Kale Zupanijski muzej, P.p.7, HR-22001 Sibenik Croatia: 385 (0) 22/ 213-880, fax 213-355 @ http://jagor.srce.hr/muzej_sibenik - - Sent with PINE 4.10 from CARNet - - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 14:19:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17575 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:19:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07JnrF20694; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:49:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JnTs25929; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:49:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from inje.iskon.hr (inje.iskon.hr [213.191.128.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Jmds25429 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:48:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from o5q7t5.public.srce.hr (st01-155.dialin.iskon.hr [213.202.66.156]) by mail.iskon.hr (8.11.4/8.11.4/Iskon 8.11.3-1) with ESMTP id g07JmxF26826 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:48:59 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020107205735.00a5ab20@jagor.srce.hr> X-Sender: jkale@jagor.srce.hr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jadran Kale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] query: city names in origins of textile terms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:57:37 +0100 Status: RO Hi H-Costumers, I wonder could a snowball be rolled on by adding city names to a list of derivated textile terms? Like textile materials: "jeans" from "Genova", "denim" from "de Nimes", or textile objects like "baldachin" from Baghdad and "fez" from the city of the same name, etc.? Sincerely, Jadran Kale Zupanijski muzej, P.p.7, HR-22001 Sibenik Croatia: 385 (0) 22/ 213-880, fax 213-355 @ http://jagor.srce.hr/muzej_sibenik - - Sent with PINE 4.10 from CARNet - - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 14:19:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17579 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:19:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07JnmF20678; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:49:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JnOs25884; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:49:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from inje.iskon.hr (inje.iskon.hr [213.191.128.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JmUs25319 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:48:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from o5q7t5.public.srce.hr (st01-155.dialin.iskon.hr [213.202.66.156]) by mail.iskon.hr (8.11.4/8.11.4/Iskon 8.11.3-1) with ESMTP id g07JmnF26657 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:48:50 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020107205725.00a0dd90@jagor.srce.hr> X-Sender: jkale@jagor.srce.hr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jadran Kale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] query: city names in origins of textile terms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:57:27 +0100 Status: RO Hi H-Costumers, I wonder could a snowball be rolled on by adding city names to a list of derivated textile terms? Like textile materials: "jeans" from "Genova", "denim" from "de Nimes", or textile objects like "baldachin" from Baghdad and "fez" from the city of the same name, etc.? Sincerely, Jadran Kale Zupanijski muzej, P.p.7, HR-22001 Sibenik Croatia: 385 (0) 22/ 213-880, fax 213-355 @ http://jagor.srce.hr/muzej_sibenik - - Sent with PINE 4.10 from CARNet - - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 15:21:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17849 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:21:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07KpwF00220; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:51:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Kp3e02338; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:51:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Koqe02209 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:50:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.46.207bf86e (24899) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:50:34 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <46.207bf86e.296b6416@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I did on my holidays..... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:50:30 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/7/2002 2:24:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, which_switch_Harry@bigpond.com writes: << It is so beautifully soft, although not very finely woven, and it does have those angora hairs in (kind of like a cat has rolled on it) which I don't see as going down very well in period. Oh well. >> Could you try fulling and shrinking it? (A sample first, of course.) Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:19:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18137 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:19:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07Lp8F09092; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:51:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Lp2e08589; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Lobe08274 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:50:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-69.frys.com [66.121.20.69]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g07Lmvr17218 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:48:57 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020107133518.00a88d60@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20020107133518.00a88d60@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) In-Reply-To: <20020107163044.40171.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:35:57 -0800 Status: RO >What do people do with long straight bangs when >wearing "pre-bang" garb? Or do serious re-enactors >simply bite the bullet & grow them out? There is >something about the shape of my face that I feel I >look much better with bangs, particularly when wearing >my hair up or back. Do 1880's. They had these as part of the period hairstyle. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:19:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18141 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:19:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07LpQF09143; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:51:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07LpOe08959; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:51:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Loce08289 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:50:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-69.frys.com [66.121.20.69]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g07Lmxr17221 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:48:59 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020107133646.017ae760@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re:[h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) In-Reply-To: <20020107165527.32013.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020107.114052.538.3538@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:58:00 -0800 Status: RO >> What period are you interested in doing that the >> bangs wouldn't be correct for? (Gosh that was a >> bizarre sentence construction!!!) > > oooh - remember 7th grade? Let's go to the board >and diagram this sentence! ;-) In what period are you interested, wherein bangs wouldn't be correct? (or have I just read too many Victorian novels?) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:19:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18148 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:19:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07LpZF09170; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:51:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07LpYe09046; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:51:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Loee08316 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:50:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-69.frys.com [66.121.20.69]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g07Ln1r17224 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:49:02 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020107134111.017bdcb0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <3C389BD0.3040500@bigpond.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] cloth (was What I did on my holidays) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:46:24 -0800 Status: RO >some very stiff cotton? organza I think if it's cotton it's organdy, and if something else it's organza. >I wonder if it would avoid the pre-16th c >controversies about corduroy for this reason.... Ihad a piece of corduroy with alternate very-wide and kind-of-narrow wales, and used it for Ren. trim on a German half-circular short cloak. I loaded my sewing machine bobbin with thickish gold thread and, from the back side of the cloth, sewed lines between all the piles. From the front it looked like gold cord couched between velvety pile. I used it in strips, cut on the diagonal. It didn't look like corduroy. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:24:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18186 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:24:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07Lu3F09774; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:56:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Lu1e12369; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from urdvg136.cms.usa.net (urdvg136.cms.usa.net [204.68.25.136]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g07Ltae12042 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:55:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 5720 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 21:57:22 -0000 Received: from cpdvg202.cms.usa.net (165.212.10.6) by outbound.postoffice.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 21:57:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 21486 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2002 21:55:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20020107215532.21485.qmail@cpdvg202.cms.usa.net> Received: from 206.163.135.19 [206.163.135.19] by cpdvg202.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer 34FM.0700.28.01B); Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:55:32 +0000 From: Shea Young To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR - Galadriel's frock.] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.28.01B) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g07Ltae12042 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 7 Jan 2002 13:55:32 PST Status: RO Hi Teddy, We just saw it and I agree with you about the fabric. I know they were trying to create a light, spiderweb, eternal, nature-like garment, but it didn't work. But you know, like you, we got caught up in the movie and overall - it just didn't matter. I was delighted that they were able to produce this film with so much respect for the books. It was great! Shea in Oregon Teddy wrote: > > > >I've looked at several stills on the web and in a couple of books and > > >it still looks like tacky nylon-lace fabric to me. Each to their > > >own, of course, but I *can't* see a dress in that fabric as being in > > >any way attractive. > > > > > I was thinking of making a purple one in acid peeled velvet over > > buttersoft satin. I've used that kind of velvet before and the > > textures are really fun. But then I really like soft, fuzzy, and > > purple. ;) > > Oooh! Now that sounds like a *much* more attractive option. > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:33:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18225 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:33:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07M53F11107; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07M51e18466; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07M4Je18010 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:04:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust153.tnt33.bos2.da.uu.net ([63.48.91.153] helo=[63.25.23.170]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16NhsQ-0004yw-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:04:19 -0800 X-Sender: sheilabb@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20020107205745.00a5a060@jagor.srce.hr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: sheilabb@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] query: city names in origins of textile terms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:00:47 -0400 Status: RO Just curious what this "hiccup" is -- I've rec'd 4 of these.... Sheila B >Hi H-Costumers, > > >I wonder could a snowball be rolled on by adding city names to a list of >derivated textile terms? > >Like textile materials: "jeans" from "Genova", "denim" from "de Nimes", or >textile objects like "baldachin" from Baghdad and "fez" from the city of >the same name, etc.? > >Jadran Kale >Zupanijski muzej, P.p.7, HR-22001 Sibenik >Croatia: 385 (0) 22/ 213-880, fax 213-355 > @ http://jagor.srce.hr/muzej_sibenik >- - Sent with PINE 4.10 from CARNet - - > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:35:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18240 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:35:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07M72F11389; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07M71e19781; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20304.mail.yahoo.com (web20304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g07M6Ze19503 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:06:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020107220634.16243.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:06:34 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re:[h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020107133646.017ae760@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:06:34 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Well, my interest in historical costume, food & music tapers off quite sharply after about 1600! (except for a perverse fascination with making tea sandwiches -- I am The Dark Queen of Tea Sandwiches) Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > In what period are you interested, wherein bangs > wouldn't be correct? (or > have I just read too many Victorian novels?) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:37:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18247 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:37:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07M92F11658; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:09:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07M90e21062; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07M8re21000 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:08:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (A020-0918.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.85.156]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g07M8qe186028 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:08:53 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c197c8$889983a0$9c55fe3f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> <3C3929BA.A6EC8CA3@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:13:27 -0500 Status: RO Sue, Thanks! I think I'll try it out soon. It'll help me do later periods than I could do otherwise. Then, I'd just need to cut the skirt a bit shorter, and figure out the corset thing. (Maybe even choose a decade that didn't do corsets quite yet.);-D Moira > Sorry that I'm probably going to be quoting the whole message, but I > think it got sent in some sort of fancy text, which my computer (sent to > do plain text only) does odd things to when I respond..... > At any rate, Moira, have you ever thought of fudging on the fullness of > the skirts, since that seems to be a major problem (and I can see how it > would be, too ). Certainly, it's a century for large skirts, but > there are some slimmer-styled skirts, too, as well as some with less > fullness in front. Some of the tudorish stuff, with the almost flat > fronts comes to mind, or that great ropa-and-kirtle from Janet > Arnold..... > Just some ideas..... > --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:40:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18270 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:40:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07MB2F11857; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07MB1e22242; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07MAOe21853 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:10:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (A020-0918.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.85.156]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g07MANe57218 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:10:23 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01c197c8$be9d0760$9c55fe3f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> <4.3.2.7.2.20020107001627.00c08100@mail.optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:14:57 -0500 Status: RO Actually, I tried a couple of times, and didn't really get anywhere. Of course, this was awhile ago. It could be that more people are on the list now who could pitch advice my way.;-) Moira > have you tried posting this question to the SCA-disabled list?? > > their addy is medievaldisableds@yahoogroups.com > > this list is not only for SCA but all disableds who are into reinactment > > Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:40:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18274 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:40:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07MC2F11991; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07MC0e22914; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07MB1e22253 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2ivfo5m.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.224.182] helo=[199.174.222.253]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Nhyu-0007GP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:11:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C375A92.E0F5CC16@earthlink.net> References: <200112270112.RAA29874@artemis.directcon.net> <3C33B4C2.8D5D49F2@earthlink.net> <3C375A92.E0F5CC16@earthlink.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:19:09 -0800 Status: RO At 1:57 PM -0600 1/5/02, Magdalena wrote: >Chris Laning wrote: > >> He pointed >> out that, if a shirt is merely gathered into the neckline at the >> back, there is extra fullness at the upper back shoulder line that >> tends to migrate toward the front, causing the sleeves to twist. This >> tightens the shirt in the upper arm area, which he finds >> uncomfortable. >> > > Anyone else have this experience? > > Have you tried gathering more compactly at center back? I >measure the neck, >the back of the neck, and the front of the neck. When I gather to a >neckline, I >make sure that the back half of the shirt is gathered to the back of the neck >measurement. (Otherwise it _really_ twists). I also gather >unevenly, with the >majority of the material for the back gathered tightly to center back and the >gathers gradually loosening as they head toward the shoulders. Make sense? Well, duh -- I should have thought of that ! Yes, it sounds like gathering more tightly in the center would help a lot. Thanks! Anyone know if it was done that way in the 16th century? I've never looked that closely at the gathering on the back of the few period shirts where you can see it. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:48:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18306 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:48:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07MK3F13135; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:20:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07MK2e28607; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07MJQe28189 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:19:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (A020-0918.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.85.156]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g07MJQe78936 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:19:26 -0500 Message-ID: <005601c197ca$01f05480$9c55fe3f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <31935D33B47@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:24:00 -0500 Status: RO > >OK, the scary thing is, I think I understand what you mean, although the mental image I originally got was a bit bizarre.;-D I even have a hoopskirt I wouldn't mind abusing to try to experiment with this idea. (hey, my neighbors probably already think I'm crazy anyway. We're still trying to explain the concept of homeschooling and history being something other than something you sleep through at school.);-O Thanks, Teddy. Could turn into a great excuse to do early 17thC for SCA.;-} Hugs, Moira I you costumed the back of the wheelchair to look like a period > regular chair or throne, and had hidden slits in the pleating around > the top of the "wheel-farthingale" part, you could reach down > through them to move the wheels when you needed to go > anywhere and the rest of the time you would simply look like a lady > sitting down in a large -skirted Elizabethan gown. > never work> > > Teddy > (I can picture it clearly in *my* head, is it my fault reception isn't so > clear where *you* are?) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 18:40:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18717 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:40:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g080BwF28063; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:11:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080Bue29802; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:11:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080AKe29024 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:10:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.193.21] (as-5-35.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.21]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g080AD019886; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:10:13 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020107163044.40171.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020107163044.40171.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com, costume list From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:57:51 -0800 Status: RO At 8:30 AM -0800 1/7/02, Joan Garner wrote: >What do people do with long straight bangs when >wearing "pre-bang" garb? Or do serious re-enactors >simply bite the bullet & grow them out? There is >something about the shape of my face that I feel I >look much better with bangs, particularly when wearing >my hair up or back. If you're doing an era that involves significant head-linen for women, you can make one of your foundation items be a "headband" of linen broad enough to hold it back out of sight (as well as serving as a foundation for other things to be pinned to). Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 18:41:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18720 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:41:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g080B8F27983; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:11:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080B1e29285; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080AEe28988 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:10:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.193.21] (as-5-35.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.21]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g080AD019886; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:10:13 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020107163044.40171.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020107163044.40171.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com, costume list From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:57:51 -0800 Status: RO At 8:30 AM -0800 1/7/02, Joan Garner wrote: >What do people do with long straight bangs when >wearing "pre-bang" garb? Or do serious re-enactors >simply bite the bullet & grow them out? There is >something about the shape of my face that I feel I >look much better with bangs, particularly when wearing >my hair up or back. If you're doing an era that involves significant head-linen for women, you can make one of your foundation items be a "headband" of linen broad enough to hold it back out of sight (as well as serving as a foundation for other things to be pinned to). Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 18:52:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18770 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:52:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g080NZF29336; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:23:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080NXe04955; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:23:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.zrz.tu-berlin.de (mail2.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.4.14]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080KKe03634 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:20:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from p-164-122.zrz.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.164.122] helo=math.tu-berlin.de) by mail2.zrz.tu-berlin.de with esmtp (exim-3.34) for id 16Njzz-0000Jg-00; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:20:15 +0100 Received: (from barbara@localhost) by math.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00515 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:20:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from barbara) From: Barbara Maren Winkler Message-Id: <200201080020.BAA00515@math.tu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <200201070247.g072lJs17607@net.indra.com> from "h-costume-request@indra.com" at "Jan 6, 2002 07:47:19 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Back from Kopenhagen Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:20:14 +0100 (CET) Status: RO > From: "Penny Ladnier" > How exciting!!!! It is wonderful to meet h-costume people. Get lots of > sleep... Bjarne's class starts tomorrow. BTW, did you bring the teacher an > apple? LOL!!! > > Penny Ladnier ... is this something to do with an English proverb or joke or custom? Please... my first language is not English. Can you explain? Barbara Maren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 19:08:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18994 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:08:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g080cYF01179; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:38:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080cWe11014; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:38:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080YEe09461 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:34:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from att.net ([12.77.139.135]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020108003410.PJYD941.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:34:10 +0000 Message-ID: <3C3A3F73.45F46819@att.net> From: Crissy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals References: <31935D33B47@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <005601c197ca$01f05480$9c55fe3f@ccc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 19:38:11 -0500 Status: RO Moira.... this would be a good challenge for me. It's been quite a while since I've had a good one. We could start plotting after Gulf Wars. ( Sorry I have a period-esque wedding gown to do before then.) This could be fun! Wanna try? Crissy Heather wrote: > > >OK, the scary thing is, I think I understand what you mean, although the > mental image I originally got was a bit bizarre.;-D I even have a hoopskirt > I wouldn't mind abusing to try to experiment with this idea. (hey, my > neighbors probably already think I'm crazy anyway. We're still trying to > explain the concept of homeschooling and history being something other than > something you sleep through at school.);-O > Thanks, Teddy. Could turn into a great excuse to do early 17thC for SCA.;-} > Hugs, > Moira > > I you costumed the back of the wheelchair to look like a period > > regular chair or throne, and had hidden slits in the pleating around > > the top of the "wheel-farthingale" part, you could reach down > > through them to move the wheels when you needed to go > > anywhere and the rest of the time you would simply look like a lady > > sitting down in a large -skirted Elizabethan gown. > > > > never work> > > > > Teddy > > (I can picture it clearly in *my* head, is it my fault reception isn't so > > clear where *you* are?) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 19:18:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19179 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:18:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g080oYF03000; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:50:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080oWe16300; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:50:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm11.jersey.juno.com (wm11.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.231]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080jfe14620 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:45:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VChzbKVTXQVROT+T86R+gqNoQJWD2Jg5kSA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm11.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQLFXLYP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 19:45:02 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:[h-cost] Re: Back from Kopenhagen X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020107.194502.556.63320@wm11.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:44:49 GMT Status: RO There is an old tradition in the States of children bringing their teachers an apple as a gift. It started back in the pioneer days when simple gifts of food could be very important. It has gotten to the point where a red apple is often used as a symbol for a teacher and an apple by a blackboard is understood as a symbol for a school. A derogatory use of the image is the term 'apple polisher' because, of course, the children wanted to make a good impression on their teacher, so they would shine the apples and make sure the apples looked their best. Thus the term is used for anyone who is trying very, very hard to make a good impression on someone not by their skills or talents, but by flattery or bribery. Karen ---------- Barbara Maren Winkler writes: From: Barbara Maren Winkler To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Back from Kopenhagen Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:20:14 +0100 (CET) > From: "Penny Ladnier" > How exciting!!!! It is wonderful to meet h-costume people. Get lots of > sleep... Bjarne's class starts tomorrow. BTW, did you bring the teacher an > apple? LOL!!! > > Penny Ladnier .... is this something to do with an English proverb or joke or custom? Please... my first language is not English. Can you explain? Barbara Maren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 19:28:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19319 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:28:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g080xuF03993; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:59:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080xse19507; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:59:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080nNe15895 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:49:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:49:17 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DBB@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] city names in origins of textile terms MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:49:15 -0800 Status: RO Paisley, Scotland (named for the wrong place, in Scotland were copying Indian shawl designs) Madras plaid (may mean the state of Madras, not the city, tho.) Battenburg and Chantilly laces Jersey knit What's "Kelly green" named for? There ought to be some Chinese silk named after cities. The only Chinese term I recall the translation of is Pongee = "home made". Hardly a city name. I'll ask around and see if my coworkers know any Japanese cityname terms. Sounds like you're planning an exhibit theme. Please tell! --cin Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 19:28:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19330 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:28:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g080xmF03974; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:59:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080xke19433; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:59:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.zrz.tu-berlin.de (mail.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.4.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080m5e15442 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:48:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from p-165-093.zrz.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.165.93] helo=math.tu-berlin.de) by mail.zrz.tu-berlin.de with esmtp (exim-3.34) for id 16NkQq-0007Nu-00; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:48:01 +0100 Received: (from barbara@localhost) by math.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00555; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:47:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from barbara) From: Barbara Maren Winkler Message-Id: <200201080047.BAA00555@math.tu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <200201072213.g07MDTe24018@net.indra.com> from "h-costume-request@indra.com" at "Jan 7, 2002 03:13:29 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com CC: Barbara Maren Winkler X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: city names and textile terms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:47:54 +0100 (CET) Status: RO > From: Jadran Kale > I wonder could a snowball be rolled on by adding city names to a list of > derivated textile terms? > > Like textile materials: "jeans" from "Genova", "denim" from "de Nimes", or > textile objects like "baldachin" from Baghdad and "fez" from the city of > the same name, etc.? "Paisley" for a design ornament that was produced on shawls in the Scottish town of the same name, imitating the expensive Cashmere shawls from Asia. Talking about Cashmere: It is a goat, a fiber, and a notoriously unstable and much fought-over region of the world. Also a famous rock song and a (Danish? Norwegian?) rock group. > From: seamstrix@juno.com > And there's always damask from Damascus. One of the recent volumes of Spektrum der Wissenschaft (German edition of Scientific American; would be in there as well) has given me an interesting idea in this line of associations. In Damascus, they forged the incomparable Damascus steel which was extremely beautiful, hard and durable and in cooling developed a natural pattern of crinkled lines on its surface. A "Damascene pattern". Was the fabric named after the metal? Because with a drawloom and damask patterns, you can create damask-like structures on fabric. I'm not saying that damask wasn't created in Damascus, maybe it was, but my idea is that it is not as chracteristic of Damascus as the steel is, and that maybe the name comes from the metalwork to the fabric, not reverse. Sounds funny that two independent similar- looking technologies should have developed in the same city (though maybe they did). Maybe someone with more knowledge can say more about it. The article was about how to recreate Damascus blades with traces of special elements (Vanadium, I think -- and really TINY traces) added to the alloy that steel is. The extra elements may have come with the special iron ore the Damascus smiths imported from India. Barbara Maren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 21:15:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20219 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:15:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g082k3F13750; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:46:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g082jW322614; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:45:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g082fr321610 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:41:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g082gOu02883 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:42:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020107203914.00a423f0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries: silk velvet In-Reply-To: <3C39AB99.78733B4D@faucet.net> References: <87.15902351.296a412b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:41:23 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, At 08:07 AM 1/7/2002 -0600, you wrote: >LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > > > if the pile on "silk" velvet is rayon/acetate/poly > > on a silk ground and most mundane rayon velvets have a rayon pile what > > difference would it really make to use the rayon velvet (shiny velvet did > > exist as did shiny silk, high shine like way rad nasty bridal satin) > {outside > > of competitions of course} > >All of the silk velvet I've found (well, silk/rayon velvet) has been FAR >too drapey to successfully use in period applications. For my purposes >(mostly 16th c.), a good-quality synthetic velvet is actually a better >choice. If anyone has a source for 100% silk velvet with some body to >it, I would love to hear! > >Melanie Schuessler Actually, I may have recently stumbled across a possibility... Jack Lenor Larson the textile designer, has done a silk upholstery velvet. There is an exhibition of his work on at the Minneapolis Institute of Art at the moment and there is some of it on the wall. Apparently, the silk velvet is still available through certain fancy decorator types. I have no idea bout the cost but it might be a viable option... Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 21:36:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20286 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:36:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0838XF15879; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:08:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0838W329480; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:08:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0833g328200 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:03:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2162.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.162]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28951 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:03:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3A6108.F9E38517@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] city names in origins of textile terms References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DBB@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 22:01:28 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. There is Shantung silk, Crepe de Chine, Surah (from Surat, India, or was that mentioned already?), Damask (I think we got that one, too) from Syria, Muslin from the Muslim countries (mostly Egypt, I suppose), Angora (Ankara?), Calico (Calcutta), Samite (from Samia?), Satin (from Zatun), Osnaburg (from Osnabruck), Dowlas (from Daoulas, in Brittany), Cambric (Cambrai), Holland Cloth (obvious), Sarcanet (from the land of the Saracens), etc. That is besides all of the ones named for their content, like Canvas (cannabis), and the others like Serge de Nimes, named after the place of origin specifically. The list grows....Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 21:45:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20396 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:45:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g083HaF16838; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:17:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g083HZ302270; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:17:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g083Cl300883 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:12:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPLNKI00.2JG for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:12:18 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Not LOTR (was: Yet another take on LOTR) Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:08:29 -0800 Status: RO I also note that the posts directly before and after these have been about many other (historical) things) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Robin Netherton > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 5:01 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Not LOTR (was: Yet another take on LOTR) > > > > On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > > > As my first attempt with the Eleanora items went flat-Here are a few > > others. > > > Hopefully there are enough topics there to let people choose. > > Lady G., as you have already pointed out, some people with no interest in > LOTR are deleting those threads. So your Eleanora topic and the others you > posted may not reach the people you're trying to reach, since you posted > them under an LOTR subject line. > > Also, it would be a service to the list in both the short- and long-term > if you would open new threads with individual posts, under separate, > descriptive subject lines. In the short term, you will get much better > response -- I am sure I am not the only person who deletes posts based on > subject line when my reading time is short, and I will miss queries that > are batched under a subject line that relates to a period I don't do. In > the long term, you will gain the gratitude of people who use Eric P.'s > archive, now that it's searchable *only* by subject line and author, not > through a free-text search (a loss I lament). > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 22:04:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20593 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:04:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g083aXF18316; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:36:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g083aW307782; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:36:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g083Xj307056 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:33:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.142]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g082gcZ11644 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:42:38 +1100 Message-ID: <059d01c197f5$2e8da120$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: <4.1.20020106221442.017e0400@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries - WCs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:33:02 +1100 Status: RO > >what's the earliest common use of an indoor water closet > >anyone can come up with > > Roman > I think the Minoans also had indoor plumbing. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 22:10:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20624 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:10:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g083gYF19006; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:42:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g083gX309395; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:42:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g083dw308718 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:39:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 30094 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 03:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.237.72) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 03:39:57 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3A6A5D.20F56205@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries, new topics and current projects References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:41:17 -0600 Status: RO Parsla Liepa wrote: > > ><< What are 'grave bindings'? >> > ><...> > Some cultures also tied the jaw shut, so that it wouldn't flap open and look > like the person was screaming. It took me a long time to figure out that this is the purpose of the cloth tied around Marley's head (from crown to jaw) in A Christmas Carol, probably because I never read the story--just saw it on the stage or television. In the text it reads: "Though he looked the phantom through and through, and saw it standing before him; though he felt the chilling influence of its death-cold eyes; and marked the very texture of the folded kerchief bound about its head and chin, which wrapper he had not observed before: he was still incredulous, and fought against his senses." and later on: "But how much greater was his horror, when the phantom taking off the bandage round its head, as if it were too warm to wear indoors, its lower jaw dropped down upon its breast!" Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 22:25:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20673 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:25:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g083vXF20159; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:57:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g083vW313285; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:57:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g083ro312272 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:53:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.142]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0832hZ11893 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:02:44 +1100 Message-ID: <063201c197f7$fd271dc0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: <20020107.120027.538.3606@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Subject: Re: Re:Re: [h-cost] Off to England MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:49:06 +1100 Status: RO Karen, You could try those air-exclusion bags that you attach the vacuum cleaner to to shrink them. I've done it with a few things and they come out OK after a little hanging time. I'd recommend you have a play first just in case your specific fabric doesn't take well to the squishing - or you could always put your everyday clothes into them and leave your Elizabethan clothing uncompressed. Jumpers/Sweaters/padded things shrink down wonderfully in these. I did this when I went interstate with 17th century gear for a friend's mid-winter wedding - shift, 3 petticotes, pair of bodies, bodice, double thickness cape, shoes and various other accessories took 80% of my suitcase - the 3 days of everyday clothes were hardly noticable in their shrink-wrapped state. In Australia we also have travel bags with a one-way valve for when no powered vacuum is available. Don't forget to take an extra suitcase so Teddy doesn't notice his missing fabric ;-) If I remember correctly, Teddy, weren't you complaining recently of having too much fabric in your stash anyway? Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:00 AM Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] Off to England > Yippeeeee!!! I get the sewing room!!!! > > I am trying to figure out how to pack my Elizabethans in the smallest possible space......but they are still full court Elizabethans!!!!!! > > Karen > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 22:31:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20698 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:31:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0842XF20641; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:02:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0842W314708; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:02:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g083t3312639 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:55:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:54:58 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DBF@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:54:48 -0800 Status: RO > Ah, I meant Regency in the broad sense it is sometimes used, > to include > the Empire and Directoire periods (mainly because I'm not sure of > whether those terms are used to describe clothing in English - in > Norwegian we only use Empire to describe the high-waisted > look of these > periods (as far as I know)), but the correct period I'm talking about > would be Directoire. I think. :) Let me see if I can help with the terms... others, please chime in! Generally, the name used would be one suitable for the place & time you are re-creating. No American would ever say "Directoire" and mean the US Federal period. Clearly, Regency refers to England's monarchic arrangement. For me, "Directoire" is more of a political term than a fashion term. There's the approx 8 year time when France redesigned everything from government to the calendar. Basically until about 1805. In fashion, it conjures images of the patriotic post-Revolution Francaise tricolor cockades, the song "Ca Ira", big 1790s skirts "retrousees dans les poches" (pulled out thru the pockets). At the turn of the century, style suddenly slims & becomes Neo-classical. The merveilleuse & macaroni, David's designs for the new Republique's Assemble, gold embroideries on bright colored gowns. The use of paillettes. Unsurprisingly, most people call 1805-1815 in France "Napoleonic". The French call it "Deuxieme Empire" or "Second Empire" (same spelling in French & English) or "Republique". "Regency", for me, denotes dresses almost unvaringly white or "drab" gown, Jane Austen novels, Admiral Nelson, the Patrick O'Brian books and way too many BBC programs to list. The expression denotes English things. "Federal" calls up American images of building after the War of Independance, manifest destiny, the French & Indian War, the sacking of Washington DC by the Brits. At the same time, there's the new territorial exploration (e.g Lewis & Clark who would HARDLY have cared about fashion). Fabrics tend to be more sensible & locally made reflecting new national pride and a postwar rebuilding. Most things were homemade, but the richer, high-fashion sorts in Northeastern cities like Boston, Philidelphia & NY would have had access to fancy foreign fabrics. On the Pacific coast, Alta California was still under Spanish rule and would be until 1821 and the Mexican War of Independance. Americans, Russians, Englishmen and the local indian tribes wandered thru Spanish Calif. Americans included people like Fremont's survey party and Richard Dana author of "Two Years Before the Mast". Using terms like "regency", "federal" or "directoire" to describe Spanish colonial clothing in California would be completely confusing. Annoyingly, different timeframes are described by the term. Art Historians mean terms of style, while political historicans dicker over the de facto & official times when George (soon to be IV) was regent for his father, George III. It's all very inconsistent. So there's a boring English lesson for today. The upshot is, that you're right. "Regency" is a commonly used general term (and therefore confusing) grouping a broader range of arts, cultures, places & styles. > Part of my problem is that the character I'm portraying comes from > Trondheim in Norway, in the year 1800. I don't have any sources as to > the dress of that city at that time. But judging from my sources > from other parts of the country, I've figured that they'd be > a few years behind British and French fashion, What was the time period called in Norway? As you think about your design, you might ask you self these questions: What were the modifications to the French & English styles for *Norwegian* weather? What were locally available goods? How did local artistic taste get incorporated? Were there any local, nationalistic, political or religious statements made in clothing? --cin in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 00:03:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21440 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:03:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g085ZZF28713; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:35:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g085ZX309211; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:35:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g085VT308231 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:31:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-67.frys.com [66.121.20.67]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g085Ter30099 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:29:40 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020107184530.017a5570@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals In-Reply-To: <001201c197c8$889983a0$9c55fe3f@ccc> References: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> <3C3929BA.A6EC8CA3@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 18:47:01 -0800 Status: RO >figure out the corset thing. (Maybe even choose a decade that didn't do >corsets quite yet.);-D Do a thing which looks like a corset, but doesn't fit any tighter than a modern bustier, and you'll be fine in any corset period. The things don't really have to be tight, just snug as a bra. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 00:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21521 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:36:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0868YF01322; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:08:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0868W317302; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:08:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0865P316437 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:05:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-64.frys.com [66.121.20.64]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0863gr31035 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:03:42 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020107215805.017a8ed0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses In-Reply-To: <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 22:13:02 -0800 Status: RO >However, I'm NOT built like a 12-year old, and I would prefer >not to look like a complete walrus if at all possible. ( My solution is to give the bodice a high waistline, but not to attach the front of the skirt to the body-edge of it. The back of the skirt attaches to the bodice, as usual, but I cheat in front. In front I attach the skirt a couple of inches from the body-edge of the bodice, such that it hangs straight down, and doesn't follow the bulge of my post-childbirth belly. I don't allow the skirt front to go in at the high waist then drape out again over the belly. The / and \ and | below, along the left edge of this post, may give you an idea of what I'm talking about. See if you can imagine a side view of a woman's actual anatomy, and the straight line of a skirt attached where I said it was attached. \ \ | / /| \| | | Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 00:57:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21579 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:57:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g086TYF02808; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:29:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g086TW322610; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:29:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g086Qg321930; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:26:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A0F3DB30268; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 00:25:55 -0600 Message-ID: <00f201c1980d$224182c0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] You'll love this Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:24:31 -0500 Status: RO Go see the costumes at this site that does fairytales for children. http://www.animalx.com/DWmain.htm Make sure to click on each section. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 01:54:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21690 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:54:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g087QYF06176; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:26:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g087QW306011; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:26:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.misc.com (dsl-6414918377.internetconnect.net [64.149.183.77] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g087NI305356 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:23:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA29355 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:29:58 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3A9FBC.31F1E93B@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] You'll love this References: <00f201c1980d$224182c0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 23:29:01 -0800 Status: RO To Penny- Oh, thank you for the lovely site. Such beautiful wings and head pieces!!! Some peoples' creativity just blows me away!!! Theesa Eacker Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Go see the costumes at this site that does fairytales for children. > http://www.animalx.com/DWmain.htm Make sure to click on each section. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 02:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03147 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 02:23:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g087tYF07410; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:55:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g087tW312620; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:55:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g087px311891 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:51:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A4F0764002A; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:51:12 -0600 Message-ID: <003701c19818$fc7d6d40$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <00f201c1980d$224182c0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> <3C3A9FBC.31F1E93B@misc.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] You'll love this X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 02:49:21 -0500 Status: RO Theesa, We have some new classes that will be coming aboard very soon. One class will be how to make fairy costumes with doing little sewing. The instructor was sharing with me tonight some sites with fairy wings. This site was one of the sites. This is not her work, we were just playing on the web together. I love the lady with the long hair spread all over the wings (AnimalX). The little boy is adorable too. Costume is such a fun industry to work in! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 02:35:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13305 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 02:35:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0887cF08060; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:07:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0887W315198; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:07:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g08837314274 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:03:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 74619 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2002 08:02:48 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-32.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.32) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 08:02:48 -0000 Message-ID: <013d01c19809$d6e2cd00$ac37fea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:00:55 -0500 Status: RO One more tidbit for Ingrid -- the wool daydress I saw is in a museum collection in Denmark and has the extra-long sleeves I mentioned. There is also a dress in the collection that is knitted -- just like a big, fitted sweater dress. It looks very 1970s but it straight out of 1810s Denmark! Have fun! Jennie - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 03:08:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10530 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:08:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g088eZF09607; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:40:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g088eW322277; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:40:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from aethra.euridium.co.uk (pc-62-31-66-34-ed.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.66.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g088Z1321264 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by aethra.euridium.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:34:51 -0000 Message-ID: From: Madevi Dailly To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:34:50 -0000 Status: RO > Unsurprisingly, most people call 1805-1815 in France "Napoleonic". The > French call it "Deuxieme Empire" or "Second Empire" (same > spelling in French > & English) or "Republique". Actually, the Second Empire refers to the rule of Napoleon's nephew from 1852 to 1870. In terms of costume styles it corresponds more to what is referred to as the crinoline era. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 03:26:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22084 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:26:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g088wYF10144; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:58:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g088wW326027; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:58:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g088ro325127 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:53:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id BAA25757 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:11:03 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201080911.BAA25757@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] fashion atrocities Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:11:03 -0800 (PST) Status: RO For those of you not up on obscure english holidays, this Monday was Plough Monday. That's the Monday after 12th Night, when groups of dancers would drag a plough along with them as they cadged for food, drink, and money. If a well-to-do household _didn't_ give out, the boys ploughed up their front yard. Or worse yet, the manure pile. Anyway, the longsword dancers made their yearly appearance at the ceili I run. After they took off, our dancers announced that _next_ monday is Plaid Monday. I'm really frightened at what's going to turn up. I'll probably wear some of my heinous Clan MacDude plaid if I can find it...which I of course just did. It's even uglier than I remembered. Yellow, fuscia, cyan, purple, black, and threads of lurex. I may still be the Bad Plaid champion, but I'm sure the kids will come up with far worse combinations. Clash of the Tartans, anyone? I expect I'll see all those horrible victorian plaids mixed with even worse modern ones. ;} Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 03:26:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22143 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:26:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g088wfF10160; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:58:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g088wd326063; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:58:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g088tP325433 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:55:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:54:44 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DD1@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:55:15 -0800 Status: RO I just checked at www.invalides.org. You are exactly right. --cin > > Unsurprisingly, most people call 1805-1815 in France > "Napoleonic"... > > Actually, the Second Empire refers to the rule of Napoleon's > nephew from > 1852 to 1870. In terms of costume styles it corresponds more > to what is referred to as the crinoline era. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 05:14:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06016 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:14:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08AkaF14277; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:46:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08AkW300270; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:46:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08Ahb329579 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:43:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCTQI7PT6800DB5C@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:45:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCTQI7K6OM00CCT2@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:45:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:40:58 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:40:52 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.168) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:40:45 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR - Galadriel's frock In-reply-to: <200201072213.g07MDTe24018@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6D9FE34482@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:40:45 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hi Shea, > We just saw it and I agree with you about the fabric. I know they were > trying to create a light, spiderweb, eternal, nature-like garment, but > it didn't work. But you know, like you, we got caught up in the movie > and overall - it just didn't matter. I was delighted that they were > able to produce this film with so much respect for the books. It was > great! Absolutely. Shame about that one frock, but perhaps I had too-high hopes (elves have always been a favourite of mine...) Teddy (wearer of many an elf-costume) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 05:26:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06045 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:26:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08AwYF14684; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:58:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08AwW302731; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:58:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08AsP302020 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:54:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCTQVRF9UO00AZCA@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:56:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCTQVQWHMI00EAJF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:56:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:51:53 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:51:51 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.168) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:51:49 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals - Elizabethan In-reply-to: <200201080408.g0848m316376@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6DCEC979DA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:51:49 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > OK, the scary thing is, I think I understand what you mean, > although the mental image I originally got was a bit bizarre.;-D I > even have a hoopskirt I wouldn't mind abusing to try to experiment > with this idea. (hey, my neighbors probably already think I'm crazy > anyway. We're still trying to explain the concept of homeschooling > and history being something other than something you sleep through > at school.);-O Thanks, Teddy. Could turn into a great excuse to do > early 17thC for SCA.;-} You're welcome, Moira We will, of course, expect details posted if/when you get it done.... and pictures would be good too. I had some more thoughts about the frame.... if it wasn't fully circular, but had a gap in it, the two ends of the metal-boning could clip on to the two back uprights of the wheelchair (the ones leading up to the handles) If you had a series of them with the highest at waist-height , they should hold the fabric out away from the wheels.... or would those uprights be too far forward to hold the lower hoops (can't recall if the wheels extend farther back than that) The other option for the lower ones is that they completely encircle the chair and the only parrt of it that is visible would be the back and handles (which could be hidden under a long back veil... even provide meaky support for one of those big standing ruff-crescent shaped affairs, perhaps?)... Help me out here late-Elizabethan style experts! Teddy (when will they develop the technology to transmit mental-images?) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 05:32:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06074 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:32:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08B4YF14986; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:04:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08B4W303817; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:04:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08B1Q303216 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:01:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCTR4EVQIO00E9OM@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:03:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCTR4CZK2S00C3SL@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:03:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:58:50 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:58:10 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.168) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:58:02 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries: silk velvet In-reply-to: <200201080408.g0848m316376@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6DE9C72CF7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g08B1Q303216 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:58:02 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >All of the silk velvet I've found (well, silk/rayon velvet) has been > >FAR too drapey to successfully use in period applications. For my > >purposes (mostly 16th c.), a good-quality synthetic velvet is > >actually a better choice. If anyone has a source for 100% silk > >velvet with some body to it, I would love to hear! > > > >Melanie Schuessler > > Actually, I may have recently stumbled across a possibility... Jack > Lenor Larson the textile designer, has done a silk upholstery velvet. > There is an exhibition of his work on at the Minneapolis Institute of > Art at the moment and there is some of it on the wall. Apparently, > the silk velvet is still available through certain fancy decorator > types. I have no idea bout the cost but it might be a viable > option... > > Cheers, > Danielle The silk mill and museum in Stockholm still makes and sells 100% silk velvet (as well as silk brocades to 15th and other century patterns) but their fabrics are extremely expensive. When I visited there a couple of years ago the cheapest fabric they sold was around £100 a metre and the prices rose steeply from there The velvet was *lovely* - thick piled nad heavy Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 06:18:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA06200 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 06:18:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08BnZF16891; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:49:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08BnW312244; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:49:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08Bja311537 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:45:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCTSO9MFLS00AZCA@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:47:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCTSO9467S00E7ZH@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:47:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:43:06 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:42:26 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.168) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:42:18 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off to England In-reply-to: <200201080408.g0848m316376@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6EA6AA7C7A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:42:18 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Don't forget to take an extra suitcase so Teddy doesn't notice his > missing fabric ;-) If I remember correctly, Teddy, weren't you > complaining recently of having too much fabric in your stash anyway? > > Glenda. And that problem, at least, has been solved. Through the powers of barter, sale and exchange, I have honed down the fabric stash considerably. Several pieces of velvet and brocade went to some friends who are as poor as very poor things (a couple of them given to me by one them, years ago when she was better off financially) and are now made into new garb for them to wear to my Coronation (I'm looking forward to seeing it) and I've used up my *entire* stock of my favourite cotton damask. I use this particular stuff a lot because it's cheap, comfortable to wear and comes in a wide variety of colours - plus it can be easily machine dyed or re- dyed, so stuff that's not the right shade or that needs "freshening up" after a few years of wear can be made to look new again (I did this recently with a tired-looking orange set of 15th century costume by stripping out the colour and re-dying the hose royal blue, the short houpellande dark forest green and overdying the orange with a sunny yellow to perk it up a bit. Looks like a completely new set. Unfortunately I discovered I was completely out of it when I accidentally tore through the middle of a leg piece when making some hose for a friend and my standard fix (cutting another leg in a different colour of the same fabric and making the hose parti-coloured) wasn't possible because I'd used *all my previously vast stash of it..... Luckily, Tom had one small piece left in his stash what was just the right size to cut a full leg from. Anyhow, the fabric stash is much more managable now... ggod thing too since I bought the end of a bolt of blue cotton brocade (eleven metres) in the sale at John Lewis's on Thursday evening (remember thosecotton/ply mix red drapes with the Tudor-style pattern repeat that I was going for Anne? I bought this 100% cotton fabric with a similar pattern instead) because it was about a third the normal price..... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 10:02:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11769 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:02:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08FYpF04189; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:34:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08FYW314132; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:34:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu [169.147.166.220]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g08FTR311487 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:29:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:29:18 -0600 Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Tue Jan 08 09:29:15 2002 -0600 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:29:17 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g08FTR311487 Subject: [h-cost] Wearing 16th century shirts Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:29:13 -0600 Status: RO > Have you tried gathering more compactly at center back? I >measure the neck, >the back of the neck, and the front of the neck. When I gather to a >neckline, I >make sure that the back half of the shirt is gathered to the back of the neck >measurement. (Otherwise it _really_ twists). I also gather >unevenly, with the >majority of the material for the back gathered tightly to center back and the >gathers gradually loosening as they head toward the shoulders. Make sense? Well, duh -- I should have thought of that ! Yes, it sounds like gathering more tightly in the center would help a lot. Thanks! Anyone know if it was done that way in the 16th century? I've never looked that closely at the gathering on the back of the few period shirts where you can see it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A method that I have found that seems to help with this problem is, when using a shoulder seam, to cut the back shoulder seam 3 - 4 inches wider than the front. This extra fabric is gathered to the center third of the front shoulder when the shoulder seam is stitched. Front and back bodies are still the same width so this means less of the back to be gathered onto the neckband. It also seems to put extra fabric right where it is needed on broad shouldered guys. I learned this about 20 years ago from an SCA handout (Robin, you may remember Robert's shirt articles). Sorry, I don't know the period source. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 10:25:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11891 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:25:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08FvbF06866; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:57:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08FvX326660; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:57:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08FsY325012 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:54:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from LLWatts@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.16e.6d8f384 (16781) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:54:27 -0500 (EST) From: LLWatts@aol.com Message-ID: <16e.6d8f384.296c7032@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:54:26 EST Status: RO > have you tried posting this question to the SCA-disabled list?? > > their addy is medievaldisableds@yahoogroups.com > > this list is not only for SCA but all disableds who are into reinactment Does this group allow non-disabled lurkers? The topic is one I'm interested in. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 11:01:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12129 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:01:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08GXbF11525; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:33:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08GXX316612; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:33:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f79.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.79]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08GRw313368 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:27:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:27:56 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.16 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:27:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.16] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion atrocities Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 16:27:56.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DC34D10:01C19861] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:27:56 -0500 Status: RO > >For those of you not up on obscure english holidays, this Monday was Plough >Monday. That's the Monday after 12th Night, when groups of dancers would >drag a plough along with them as they cadged for food, drink, and money. >If a well-to-do household _didn't_ give out, the boys ploughed up their >front yard. Or worse yet, the manure pile. > Hmmm.... If my Barony's dance group ever needs a fundraiser..... >Anyway, the longsword dancers made their yearly appearance at the ceili >I run. After they took off, our dancers announced that _next_ monday >is Plaid Monday. I'm really frightened at what's going to turn up. >I'll probably wear some of my heinous Clan MacDude plaid if I can find >it...which I of course just did. It's even uglier than I remembered. >Yellow, fuscia, cyan, purple, black, and threads of lurex. I may >still be the Bad Plaid champion, but I'm sure the kids will come up >with far worse combinations. Clash of the Tartans, anyone? I expect >I'll see all those horrible victorian plaids mixed with even worse >modern ones. ;} Plaid Monday? I like it! We often do themed practices like this in my Barony. This week has been dubbed "Pet me, spank me" night -- velvet and leather. Parsla _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 12:52:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12538 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:52:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08IMjF27554; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:22:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08IMd320201; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:22:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08IJA317983 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:19:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA14137 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:19:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020107184530.017a5570@mail.frys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Corsets/stays (was Re: wheelchair historicals) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:19:12 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > Do a thing which looks like a corset, but doesn't fit any tighter than a > modern bustier, and you'll be fine in any corset period. The things don't > really have to be tight, just snug as a bra. > > Kayta I think I'd give that advice to just about anybody wearing stays or a corset -- you _don't_ need to tighten it down so much that you're uncomfortable. I don't think most women wore their stays that tight -- most women actually had to work in them, after all. Only the extremely fashionable laced themselves so tightly as to injure themselves. Speaking of stays... I got a copy of "Support and Seduction: A History of Corsets and Bras" by Beatrice Fontanel. Here's my review: Don't bother. It's got a lot of pretty pictures, but they're all thrown in with little regard to what century the author is discussing. For instance, there's a figure from one of the Beuckelaer genre paintings (15th c.) in the middle of a section discussing 18th c. women -- the author specifically claims that middle-class women in the 18th c. didn't wear stays, when there is very good evidence to the contrary. I also find the sensationalistic writing style ("Look at all the horrible, horrible things women did to their bodies! Oh, I'm shocked, shocked!" kind of thing) very distracting. She trots out all the old myths, and does debunk a few of them (mentioning, for instance, that many photos were retouched), but still lets a number of them pass by. If someone were looking for a good book on corsets, Waugh's _Corsets and Crinolines_ is my hands-down favorite. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 13:00:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12594 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:00:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08IWcF29095; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:32:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08IWX326365; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:32:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08ISp323682 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:28:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020108182849.XKBC24940.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:28:49 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals - Elizabethan Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c3b3a20.654663466@mail.attbi.com> References: <6DCEC979DA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <6DCEC979DA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g08ISp323682 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:28:51 GMT Status: RO On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:51:49 +0000 (GMT), the following was written in this electric book by Teddy : >(when will they develop the technology to transmit mental-images?) Oh, I hope we don't. Some of my firends have the oddest sense of humor. I *don't want* to know what's going on their heads! ;) Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 13:26:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12683 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:26:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08IwEF02643; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:58:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08Iw4316464; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08Iof309324 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:50:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23650 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:06:11 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing 16th century shirts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:06:11 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > I learned this about 20 years ago from an SCA handout (Robin, you may > remember Robert's shirt articles). Sorry, I don't know the period > source. Not my period, so I haven't pursued this. I've seen Bob's article, but I don't think I have a copy. Do I remember correctly that he based the patterns on something Arnold published earlier -- the famous "shirts and smocks" article? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 14:22:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12962 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:22:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08JsbF10157; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:54:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08JsW325783; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:54:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08JkX321788 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:46:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_gc_dev1.2.) id 6.62.18fe5784 (4242) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:46:28 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: <62.18fe5784.296ca693@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_62.18fe5784.296ca693_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10555 Subject: [h-cost] Re:fashion atrocities Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:46:27 EST Status: RO --part1_62.18fe5784.296ca693_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/8/02 12:28:09 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > It's even uglier than I remembered. > Yellow, fuscia, cyan, purple, black, and threads of lurex. Do you have a scan of this? I used to have a plaid that was simular colors and I loved it. I don't think the fuscia was in there though. I would like to someday find something simular to what I had as it looked good on me. Kelly m311@aol.com --part1_62.18fe5784.296ca693_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/8/02 12:28:09 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


It's even uglier than I remembered.
Yellow, fuscia, cyan, purple, black, and threads of lurex.  

Do you have a scan of this?  I used to have a plaid that was simular colors and I loved it.  I don't think the fuscia was in there though.  I would like to someday find something simular to what I had as it looked good on me.
Kelly
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--part1_62.18fe5784.296ca693_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 14:57:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13181 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:57:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08KTcF14585; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:29:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08KTX314608; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:29:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08KQt313219 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:26:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16O2pc-000FT3-0A for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:26:54 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) In-Reply-To: <20020107220634.16243.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:15:08 +0000 Status: RO Tea sandwiches sound sort of - dry and leafy? JEan In message <20020107220634.16243.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com>, Joan Garner writes >Well, my interest in historical costume, food & music >tapers off quite sharply after about 1600! (except >for a perverse fascination with making tea sandwiches >-- I am The Dark Queen of Tea Sandwiches) > >Joan Hall >"If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" >"Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > >--- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> In what period are you interested, wherein bangs >> wouldn't be correct? (or >> have I just read too many Victorian novels?) > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 15:05:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13247 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:05:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08KbbF15593; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:37:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08KbW318972; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:37:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from out003pub.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08KTt314821 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:29:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (pool-151-199-133-188.norf.east.verizon.net [151.199.133.188]) by out003pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g08KTnK23712 Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:29:50 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020108203039.006f4688@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing 16th century shirts Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:30:39 -0500 Status: RO At 09:29 AM 1/8/02 -0600, you wrote: >> Have you tried gathering more compactly at center back? I >>measure the neck, >the back of the neck, and the front of the neck. >When I gather to a >neckline, I >make sure that the back half of the >shirt is gathered to the back of the neck >measurement. >(Otherwise it _really_ twists). I also gather >unevenly, with the >>majority of the material for the back gathered tightly to center back and the >>gathers gradually loosening as they head toward the shoulders. Make sense? > >Well, duh -- I should have thought of that ! Yes, it sounds like >gathering more tightly in the center would help a lot. Thanks! > >Anyone know if it was done that way in the 16th century? I've never >looked that closely at the gathering on the back of the few period >shirts where you can see it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I can not say for sure regarding the 16th century, having never examined an extant shirt of the period, but that is how it is done in most cases on 18th and early 19th century shirts. Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 15:27:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13380 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:27:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08KwxF18364; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:58:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08Kws300861; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:58:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20304.mail.yahoo.com (web20304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g08Kom325953 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:50:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020108205051.6300.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:50:51 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:50:51 -0800 (PST) Status: RO ohmigod! you've invented a new tea sandwich: the tea tea sandwich!! --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Tea sandwiches sound sort of - dry and leafy? > > JEan Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 16:14:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13567 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:14:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08LkiF25304; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:46:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08LkQ327370; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:46:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08Lbo322408 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:37:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-156.frys.com [66.121.20.156]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g08LaDr19648 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:36:14 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020108132743.00d0ba80@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsets/stays (was Re: wheelchair historicals) In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.20020107184530.017a5570@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:41:36 -0800 Status: RO >> Do a thing which looks like a corset, but doesn't fit any tighter than a >> modern bustier, and you'll be fine in any corset period. The things don't >> really have to be tight, just snug as a bra. >I think I'd give that advice to just about anybody wearing stays or a >corset -- you _don't_ need to tighten it down so much that you're >uncomfortable. I don't think most women wore their stays that tight -- >most women actually had to work in them, after all. Only the extremely >fashionable laced themselves so tightly as to injure themselves. It's the difference between 'tight' and 'snug'. Not so tight it hurts, interferes with breathing, etc. Snug enough to do the work of a bra, and to take the strain of holding one in the period shape off your dress fabric. When I teach corset-making classes, first I point out my Sweetie's more-than-18" neck, and let them think about that as I mention Jessica Rabbit and discuss the relevant myth*, then I start calling corsets 'period body-shapers'. *Yes, I have seen pictures of women who may actually have 18" waists, but mentioning Jessica Rabbit puts the 18"-waist idea in it's proper perspective. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 17:29:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13910 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:29:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08N17F05586; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:01:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08N10311124; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hekili.k12.hi.us (hekili.k12.hi.us [165.248.1.200]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08N06310641 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:00:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from makani by hekili.k12.hi.us (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0GPN00E7Y6JWAT@hekili.k12.hi.us> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:59:56 -1000 (HST) From: annora Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts In-reply-to: To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:04:23 -1000 (HST) Status: RO > Anyone know if it was done that way in the 16th century? I've never > looked that closely at the gathering on the back of the few period > shirts where you can see it. In the photos I've seen with enough detail to show it, the gathers are evenly spaced all the way around. annora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 18:19:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14052 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:19:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08Np7F11982; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:51:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08Np1308881; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx08.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08NoF308464 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.98.169] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 68739819 for h-costume@indra.net; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:58:15 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c1989f$2d6c9f80$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "H-costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:49:56 -0600 Status: RO Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer picture of the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this picture in the first place? http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm Thanks! ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 18:23:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14064 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:23:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08Nt6F12383; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:55:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08Nt0311050; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:55:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g08Ns6310625 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:54:06 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20802 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 23:49:00 -0000 Received: from tnt1-082155.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.82.155) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 23:49:00 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020108175716.009e95d0@sound.net> X-Sender: sherylnd@sound.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: shrugs In-Reply-To: <3C38D884.433F44B3@home.com> References: <200201060405.g0645as26713@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:59:01 -0600 Status: RO For those of you interested in this topic, Threads Magazine had a nice article in the Oct/Nov 1999 issue (#85) on sewing shrugs. Couple of cute ones in there if I remember correctly. Wouldn't you know it.. I can't find my copy right now. :-( Sheryl Nance-Durst At 06:06 PM 1/6/02 -0500, you wrote: >As to what to wear them with or why? Basically, any time you could wear a >shawl, you could wear an equivalent "shrug". I've even seen a few >designer type varients... can't remember how long ago... where it >(obviously) wasn't called a shrug, but went over the shoulders, down to >cuffed wrists, and draped >"elegantly" down to near knee length. Last time I saw one, it was >black... I *think* paired with either a grey or silver slim skirted >dress... that was also draped side to side ... sort of bunting >style? (don't know how you describe it... think that short piece in the >front of some of the styles that >were worn on bustled skirts way back when... ... now that I think of it, >the skirt may have resembled that, slim with the drape in front, but only >to mid/upper thigh or so) > >Problem with odd pictoral memories that pop up... you can almost but not >*quite* see what you're remembering... > >-Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 18:41:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14138 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:41:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g090D7F14317; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:13:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090D1319068; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090CO318824 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:12:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25335 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:27:56 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <002101c1989f$2d6c9f80$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:27:56 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer > picture of the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this > picture in the first place? > > http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm Was there a particular one of these pictures you were interested in? The link you gave shows many pages scanned from one of those Victorian coffee-table costume books. I don't see a label, but if I had to lay money, I'd say it's "Costumes of All Nations," by Albert Kretschmer and Carl Rohrbach, published in 1882 in England according to my notes from my lecture on Victorian costume scholarship. The authors are German, but I don't recall whether there was an earlier German edition, or whether the British publication was first. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 18:55:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14178 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:55:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g090RPF15786; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:27:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090RJ325221; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:27:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090Qr324973 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:26:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.a1.20b93000 (3951) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:26:49 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:26:49 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/8/2002 3:59:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com writes: << Actually, the Second Empire refers to the rule of Napoleon's > nephew from > 1852 to 1870. In terms of costume styles it corresponds more > to what is referred to as the crinoline era. >> Totally off-topic, but I always thought it was poetic justice that Napoleon III was Napoleon's nephew but Josephine's grandson. (Because Napoleon divorced Josephine because she could not provide him an heir.) Josephine's daughter, Hortense, married one of Napoleon's brothers. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 18:55:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14184 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:55:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g090S6F15850; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:28:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090S0325507; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090RW325313 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:27:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-0611.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.14.103]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g090RZg296004 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:27:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3B8E33.4C39A708@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) References: <002101c1989f$2d6c9f80$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:26:27 -0600 Status: RO Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer picture of > the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this picture in the > first place? > > http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/costume2.htm says "1882 Lithographs by Albert Kretschmer". A quick search through the OCLC shows various editions, apparently there was a 1977 reprint in German. Looking at bookfinder there are several origins for sale, but they're well over US$1000.00. I'd suggest contacting the web site owner for a complete citation and ordering it through interlibrary loan. --Charlene -- How can "crash course" and "collision course" have two different meanings? -- George Carlin ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 18:57:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14189 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:57:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g090T6F15928; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:29:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090T0325859; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090SB325577 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:28:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.ac.20a41ae8 (3951) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:28:06 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:28:05 EST Status: RO P.S. There was, of course, functionally no Napoleon II. I suppose that title was reserved for Napoleon's son by Marie Louise, the King of Rome, who never became emperor. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 18:58:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14198 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:58:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g090U7F16044; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:30:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090U1326419; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090T8325925 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25449 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:44:41 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:44:41 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer > > picture of the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this > > picture in the first place? > > > > http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm > > Was there a particular one of these pictures you were interested in? The > link you gave shows many pages scanned from one of those Victorian > coffee-table costume books. I don't see a label, but if I had to lay > money, I'd say it's "Costumes of All Nations," by Albert Kretschmer and > Carl Rohrbach, published in 1882 in England according to my notes from my > lecture on Victorian costume scholarship. The authors are German, but I > don't recall whether there was an earlier German edition, or whether the > British publication was first. (following up my own post) ... Well, duh, yeah, there's a link to the index at the bottom of the page. I didn't see it at first. Yes, that's the book. Not a particularly reliable resource for historic costume, though a very nice one for the study of 19th-century costume scholarship. You can still find it on the occasional open shelf of some university libraries. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 19:17:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14270 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:17:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g090n7F17854; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:49:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090n0304473; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20303.mail.yahoo.com (web20303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g090m1303855 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:48:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020109004805.32288.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:48:05 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:48:05 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Someone mentioned this lately, and I think that person has the same problem I do. I understand the concept of Holbein stitch. Intellectually I understand how it is *supposed* to work, but when I try to work anything more complicated than a simple square or circle it somehow gets all weird & isn't reversible any more. Are some blackwork patterns just too complicated for Holbein stitch? Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 19:54:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14390 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:54:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g091Q6F21159; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:26:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g091Q0318822; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g091PX318694 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:25:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:24:50 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DD6@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] city names in origins of textile terms MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:25:19 -0800 Status: RO Jadran-san, Japanese City name textile terms Weaving: Saga nishiki ori - weaving, a tabby brocade form invented by the wife of a feudal lord circa 1820, Edo period, named for the city of Saga (now in Saga prefecture). According to my Japanese textile books, Nishiki means "many beautiful colors together" and can applied to polychrome tabby, twill & satin weaves. According to my Jpn-Eng dictionary, nishiki means "brocade". Nishiki is 3, 5 or 7 colors (numerology & folk magic reasons). Dye: Edo yuzen - paste resist dye form, used in the most expensive formal kimono, furosode and the outer robe worn over all white emsemble worn by the bride at a Shinto wedding. Currently seen in wedding & funeral garments. Edo is the old name for Tokyo. (Saw one at the flea market for $120 last weekend. Multiple thousands of $$$ when new.) Kyo shibori - Very sophisticated tie-die form from Kyoto; the most prized Kyo shibori seems to be Kyo "fawn-spot" shibori. I've seen these mostly at cherry blossom parties, summer festivals, shichi-go-san and other happy semi-formal occasions. Also spotted (pardon the pun) on a maiko in the Gion district of Kyoto one October evening. Kaga yuzen - is another paste resist dye method named for the city of Kaga (now in Kaga prefecture). (There was also a stencil-dye technique name that I've forgotten.) Embroidery: none that I could find. The only one named for a place was named for China. Clothing names: Nagoya obi - a braided tie-on "belt" that complete replaces the obi most people are familiar with. I've never seen one worn, but I havent been to Nagoya either. The books I have are out of print or only available in Japan. You might try _Japanese Textiles: In the Victoria and Albert Museum_, for more info. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 20:19:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14453 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:19:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g091q7F23563; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:52:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g091q1327173; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.wireweb.net ([207.235.90.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g091p9326817 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:51:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from wireweb.net [64.243.201.217] by smtp.wireweb.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.04) id A2CB8D0E010A; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:54:19 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3BA3D0.E85349DC@wireweb.net> From: Alexandria Doyle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-PCD_V45 (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" References: <20020109004805.32288.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:58:40 -0600 Status: RO Joan Garner wrote: > > Someone mentioned this lately, and I think that person > has the same problem I do. I understand the concept > of Holbein stitch. Intellectually I understand how it > is *supposed* to work, but when I try to work anything > more complicated than a simple square or circle it > somehow gets all weird & isn't reversible any more. > Are some blackwork patterns just too complicated for > Holbein stitch? > There are some patterns that aren't meant to be reversible. They are often nearly so, but not quite. The best thing I could suggest is tracing the pattern on graph paper. Use one color marker, say red, for the out going path, then use another, say blue, for the return. That might help get the feel for it better. I know when I first started blackwork I was working with library books so I was copying by hand the patterns for later reference. I was using one color for the whole motif, unless it was real complicated and required more colors. somewhere during those copying efforts it "click" for me. Alexandria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 20:19:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14457 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:19:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g091qCF23599; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:52:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g091q7327234; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:52:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13905.mail.yahoo.com (web13905.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.68]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g091pQ326926 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:51:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020109015131.97230.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.0.223.241] by web13905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:51:31 PST From: Megan McConnell Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020109004805.32288.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:51:31 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Hi Joan In short - yes! Some are too difficult to do. I can get about 90% of blackwork reversable - but it does take a while in "reading" the pattern The best thing I found was to "practice" using a graph paper and black pen and draw the pattern to learn paths. Megan M --- Joan Garner wrote: > Someone mentioned this lately, and I think that > person > has the same problem I do. I understand the concept > of Holbein stitch. Intellectually I understand how > it > is *supposed* to work, but when I try to work > anything > more complicated than a simple square or circle it > somehow gets all weird & isn't reversible any more. > Are some blackwork patterns just too complicated for > Holbein stitch? ===== Megan McConnell ICQ: 57164109 "When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, "She's so charming." I want them to say, "Be careful, I think she's armed." -G. Stoddart __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 20:23:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14476 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:23:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g091u6F24268; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:56:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g091u0328684; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g091tC328437 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:55:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.206.136.217] (account axejudge@accessus.net HELO accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 36923234 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:55:11 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3BA3D9.9060203@accessus.net> From: Karen Heim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses References: <013d01c19809$d6e2cd00$ac37fea9@jchancey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: axejudge@accessus.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:58:49 -0600 Status: RO Ooh, tell us more about that one! I'm always looking for information on knitted items, particularly something like a dress - you don't see many of them (at least *I* don't). Karen Jennie Chancey wrote: >One more tidbit for Ingrid -- the wool daydress I saw is in a museum >collection in Denmark and has the extra-long sleeves I mentioned. There is >also a dress in the collection that is knitted -- just like a big, fitted >sweater dress. It looks very 1970s but it straight out of 1810s Denmark! > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 21:33:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14742 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:33:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0935aF00289; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:05:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09351319400; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0934E319171 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:04:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from kat.optonline.net (ool-18bbaa6a.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.170.106]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GPN00F3VHV6SV@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:04:19 -0500 (EST) From: Purple Kat Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals In-reply-to: <16e.6d8f384.296c7032@aol.com> X-Sender: purplkat@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020108220250.00dea590@mail.optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:04:11 -0500 Status: RO At 1/8/2002 10:54 AM, you wrote: > > have you tried posting this question to the SCA-disabled list?? > > their addy is medievaldisableds@yahoogroups.com > > this list is not only for SCA but all disableds who are into reinactment > >Does this group allow non-disabled lurkers? The topic is one I'm >interested in. >Leah Well, I'm on it, and I'm not disabled. so I guess you can lurk also. 8-) Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 21:37:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14758 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:37:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0939SF00637; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:09:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0939M320626; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:09:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0936W319789 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:06:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPNHZ000.0L5 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:06:36 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:03:03 -0800 Status: RO According to the main page, they are: 1882 Lithographs by Albert Kretschmer Painter and Costumer to the Royal Court Theatre, Berlin > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Robin Netherton > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:28 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject > > > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer > > picture of the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this > > picture in the first place? > > > > http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm > > Was there a particular one of these pictures you were interested in? The > link you gave shows many pages scanned from one of those Victorian > coffee-table costume books. I don't see a label, but if I had to lay > money, I'd say it's "Costumes of All Nations," by Albert Kretschmer and > Carl Rohrbach, published in 1882 in England according to my notes from my > lecture on Victorian costume scholarship. The authors are German, but I > don't recall whether there was an earlier German edition, or whether the > British publication was first. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 21:41:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14780 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:41:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g093DnF00963; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:13:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g093Dh321851; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:13:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0939A320564 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:09:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPNI3900.VJJ for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:09:09 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020109015131.97230.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:05:37 -0800 Status: RO Some really great blackwork patterns, including double-running, and information is at http://www.blackworkarchives.com/ The designer is my webmistress and best pal, Paula Kate Marmor. :-) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Megan McConnell > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:52 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" > > > Hi Joan > > In short - yes! Some are too difficult to do. > > I can get about 90% of blackwork reversable - but it > does take a while in "reading" the pattern > > The best thing I found was to "practice" using a graph > paper and black pen and draw the pattern to learn > paths. > > Megan M > --- Joan Garner > wrote: > > Someone mentioned this lately, and I think that > > person > > has the same problem I do. I understand the concept > > of Holbein stitch. Intellectually I understand how > > it > > is *supposed* to work, but when I try to work > > anything > > more complicated than a simple square or circle it > > somehow gets all weird & isn't reversible any more. > > Are some blackwork patterns just too complicated for > > Holbein stitch? > > > ===== > Megan McConnell > ICQ: 57164109 > > "When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, "She's so charming." > I want them to say, "Be careful, I think she's armed." -G. Stoddart > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 22:37:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15015 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:37:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0949TF06278; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:09:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0949M308545; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:09:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g093xc305621 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:59:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OiGg5UAIOOuWHvMGChXG/n0="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQPDF6RB; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:59:22 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" Message-ID: <20020108.195800.-140121.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,6-7,12-13,18-21,23-44 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:20:55 +0000 Status: RO Greetings Joan. Not all blackwork patterns are reversible. A *lot* are, but not all. I teach an Ithra class in basic blackwork that teaches some simple reversible patterns and comes with color graphs I made so you can see the stitches easily. Would you like me to send you a copy? It might help. What are you using for a ground fiber? If you're on linen, it could be that it's too hard for you to see and your stitching is going off accordingly. I can't see linen *at all* owing to a wierdness in my vision, but am fine on 22 ct hardanger. Aida (12 count--any bigger and it starts looking nasty) works fine also for practice. Graphing, as others have suggested, can be very helpful in understanding how a pattern works. It can also help to study a pattern and get a sense of its stitch count base. There's a wonderful star, diamond and box pattern which is based entirely on 2 stitches per direction, for instance. Arlys On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:48:05 -0800 (PST) Joan Garner writes: > Someone mentioned this lately, and I think that person > has the same problem I do. I understand the concept > of Holbein stitch. Intellectually I understand how it > is *supposed* to work, but when I try to work anything > more complicated than a simple square or circle it > somehow gets all weird & isn't reversible any more. > Are some blackwork patterns just too complicated for > Holbein stitch? > > Joan Hall > "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" > "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 23:01:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15129 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:01:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g094XTF08640; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:33:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g094XN315664; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:33:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g094LQ312161 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:21:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-151.frys.com [66.121.20.151]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g094Jor30775 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:19:50 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020108200515.01785220@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gothic Sculputer In-Reply-To: <3C3488D0.7198C133@tds.net> References: <3C33DBCE.B9A72FE2@faucet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:06:36 -0800 Status: RO Yes. My guess is that it is fullness caused by a cone-shaped garment, and not by a cylindrical one just pleated under the arms. I think the 'pleats' are the tops of fullness which gets wider at the hem, as a cone would do. >Do you think this is the construction of the garment?? > >Katie > >Melanie Schuessler wrote: >> >> Greetings to all >> >> Having returned from a long hiatus during which I missed you all >> immensely, I of course immediately have a question. There may be a >> simple answer, and if so, I'm sure someone on this list will have it. >> >> On the January page of the 2002 Medieval Woman calendar, please consider >> the lady to the right (the one in the turban). Examine, if you will, >> the red laces at center front of her bodice. One can see that the >> bottom two seem to pass through the dark dots which might be interpreted >> as lacing holes. This makes sense to me as a single spiral lace holding >> the dress together. The top four, however, seem to lay horizontally >> without passing through the dark dots and without the necessary >> connecting diagonal of a spiral lace. >> >> Similarly, the lady on the left has numerous horizontal bars (and no >> diagonals) center front. Because of the gathered nature of her >> overgarment (and the lack of diagonals), these wouldn't seem to be >> laces--unless they're laces on the undergarment instead (which still >> doesn't explain the lack of diagonals!). For a similar phenomenon, go >> to >> http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/botticel/portrait/index.html >> and click on "Portrait of a Young Woman" (the second one). >> >> What is happening here? Are these just decorative? Here for >> example--go to >> http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/v/veronese/z_other/ >> and click on "Portrait of a Venetian Woman"--they look pretty vestigial, >> but that's much later. >> >> I was just going to put up my new calendar, and look how much trouble I >> got into! Many thanks for any enlightenment that you can offer. >> >> Melanie Schuessler >> >> p.s. to Robin Netherton: Check out February for a 16th century Flemish >> Sybil in a sideless surcoat-esque garment. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 23:29:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15259 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:29:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0951jF10951; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:01:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0951c323783; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:01:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20808.mail.yahoo.com (web20808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.197]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g094eQ317800 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:40:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020109044031.49638.qmail@web20808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.34.73.189] by web20808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:40:31 PST From: Margaret Farrow To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork "paths" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:40:31 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Joan, One of the tricks I use for complicated blackwork paterns, is to use shorter threads than I do with more simple patterns. I start the first thread, stitch the design in one direction until I run out of thread, then start the second thread, stitching in the missing "links." I doubt this isn't period, but if I do it right, the pattern is still reversable. Margaret (Out of hiding) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 23:46:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15319 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:46:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g095IqF12243; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:18:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g095Ij329185; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:18:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g094je319237 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:45:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.52.145.254.dlls.grid.net ([63.52.145.254] helo=earthlink.net) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OAcT-0000rM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:45:45 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3BCB27.2A8EF38E@earthlink.net> From: Magdalena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing 16th century shirts References: <2.2.32.20020108203039.006f4688@mail.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:46:31 -0600 Status: RO Ron Carnegie wrote: > > > I can not say for sure regarding the 16th century, having never > examined an extant shirt of the period, but that is how it is done in most > cases on 18th and early 19th century shirts. That's certainly where I got the idea. ;> A couple of the shirts of which I have pictures seem to be slightly balanced towards front or back, but without seeing the shirts myself, I have to say that I simply don't know and it could very easily be wishful thinking. -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 9 15:15:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03459 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:15:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g09KljF26845; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:47:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09KlW309852; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:47:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09K8F318069 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:08:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.116]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020109200822.MXWH14468.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:08:22 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3CA2C7.1010708@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <002101c1989f$2d6c9f80$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mr. Dolan's site (used to be "no subject") Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 14:06:31 -0600 Status: RO I am not sure which thumbnail in particular you wanted a closer look at but if you remove the "/thmb6.htm" from the URL it will give you the directory of his costume folder. There listed as "costmX.jpg" (X being the page number" are the larger versions of the thumbnails. Katie Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer picture of > the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this picture in the > first place? > > http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm > > Thanks! > ********************** > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of > Bristol, > BRF FOF > > So many books, so little time > > lotsofteapots@charter.net > ********************** > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:06:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27612 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:06:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8chF00367; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:38:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8cHt13616; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:38:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g095YA303614 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:34:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m111.in-tch.com [216.166.191.111]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g095N0n11913 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:23:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C3BD754.2080A112@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" References: <20020109004805.32288.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> <3C3BA3D0.E85349DC@wireweb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:38:28 -0700 Status: RO I always graph it out first, as Alexandria has recommended, but then my friends say that I'm that kind of person With particularly complicated patterns, I'll also sometimes work it out on a piece of "big" Aida cloth (11 ct. or 14 ct. or something), using differently-colored floss for the different passes back and forth. I use the colors in the order of the color spectrum: red-orange-yellow-green-blue-indigo-violet or, as my brother the engineer puts it "Roy G Biv." This lets me know that I need to do the red line first, then the orange, etc.....and is relatively easy to remember. --Sue, certifiably blackwork-obsessed ;-) Alexandria Doyle wrote: > > Joan Garner wrote: > > > > Someone mentioned this lately, and I think that person > > has the same problem I do. I understand the concept > > of Holbein stitch. Intellectually I understand how it > > is *supposed* to work, but when I try to work anything > > more complicated than a simple square or circle it > > somehow gets all weird & isn't reversible any more. > > Are some blackwork patterns just too complicated for > > Holbein stitch? > > > > There are some patterns that aren't meant to be reversible. They are > often nearly so, but not quite. > > The best thing I could suggest is tracing the pattern on graph paper. > Use one color marker, say red, for the out going path, then use another, > say blue, for the return. That might help get the feel for it better. I > know when I first started blackwork I was working with library books so > I was copying by hand the patterns for later reference. I was using one > color for the whole motif, unless it was real complicated and required > more colors. somewhere during those copying efforts it "click" for me. > Alexandria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:10:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30029 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:09:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8gWF00556; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:42:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8gSt14615; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:42:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g095ki306951 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:46:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-33qtm9e.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.217.46]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OBZY-0004Jv-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:46:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C3BA3D0.E85349DC@wireweb.net> References: <20020109004805.32288.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> <3C3BA3D0.E85349DC@wireweb.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:32:24 -0800 Status: RO At 7:58 PM -0600 1/8/02, Alexandria Doyle wrote: >Joan Garner wrote: > > I understand the concept > > of Holbein stitch. Intellectually I understand how it >> is *supposed* to work, but when I try to work anything >> more complicated than a simple square or circle it >> somehow gets all weird & isn't reversible any more. >> Are some blackwork patterns just too complicated for > > Holbein stitch? > >There are some patterns that aren't meant to be reversible. They are >often nearly so, but not quite. Also, any pattern that has detached parts -- a star in the middle of a square that isn't connected to the frame anywhere, for instance -- cannot be completely reversible, unless you want to go to the immense amount of trouble of starting and ending the thread for each star. BTW, I assume you are aware that by no means was "all" period blackwork reversible. This seems to be a more modern "neatness obsession" though of course it's often a fun challenge. Also, not all period work that looks like double-running actually is -- some of it's worked in backstitch. An experienced eye can tell the difference by the way it pulls on the fabric, but the difference is subtle. >The best thing I could suggest is tracing the pattern on graph paper. >Use one color marker, say red, for the out going path, then use another, >say blue, for the return. That might help get the feel for it better. I >know when I first started blackwork I was working with library books so >I was copying by hand the patterns for later reference. I was using one >color for the whole motif, unless it was real complicated and required >more colors. somewhere during those copying efforts it "click" for me. The most recent introductory blackwork class I taught, I had students actually stitch some examples this way, with two different colors of thread. It did seem to help. A lot of people do seem to have trouble getting the idea of double-running stitch -- it depends on one's personal learning style. If illustrations and instructions don't do it for you, try to find someone who will sit down with you and show you. And who then will watch helpfully while you try it, saying, "Yup. Uh-huh. Yes, the needle goes in right there. Exactly! Mm-hmmm. Yup. See, you're doing it!" Cheerleading is half the function of a good teacher! -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:13:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA32607 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:13:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8kLF00770; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:46:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8kHt15464; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:46:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g096Wa318574 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:32:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-0232.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.12.232]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g096Wfg326492 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:32:41 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3BE3E1.F1400EF8@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" References: <20020108.195800.-140121.2.Cley@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:32:01 -0600 Status: RO Cynthia J Ley wrote: > Not all blackwork patterns are reversible. A *lot* are, but not all. And some are reversible, but the pattern on each side is different. I've got some (modern) towel band patterns like that. --Charlene -- How can "crash course" and "collision course" have two different meanings? -- George Carlin ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:19:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01711 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:19:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8q1F01205; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8pwt16715; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:51:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09A5u304634 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 03:05:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-63.frys.com [66.121.20.63]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g09A4Br06150 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 02:04:11 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020109014146.00d0b1f0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" In-Reply-To: <20020109004805.32288.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 01:50:14 -0800 Status: RO >Are some blackwork patterns just too complicated for >Holbein stitch? Some are not topologically possible, as in they can't be done with one thread using the same path both ways (= they're not reversible), but none are 'too complicated'. It's just that some people, like me, are not up to the really tricky ones. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:19:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01745 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:19:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8q8F01221; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8q4t16760; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01c.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.233]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g09BXg305201 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:33:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 19299 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 11:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.194.102]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 Jan 2002 11:33:44 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c19901$9c74c580$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: "Jennifer Sena" , References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Re: scraps Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 06:34:33 -0500 Status: RO OH, I love those 50% coupons, although I worry if the company is doing so badly that they might go out of business. This is the first time that they have let me run this course, and that was basically because I set it up with the special ed people. Their kids were being cut out of the basic art course, and Fashion Design & Textiles can count toward that. But budget, no. SO we'll see if any of them can actually afford anything to make a jacket, or if I have to finance that. But as they couldn't tell me what any of those "recommended fabrics" were, not even polar fleece, I did convince them to let me go as an absolutely necessary part of the course. The fact that I did a mid-life career change, and financed college by being a school bus driver, means that I can drive the kids without their having to pay for a driver. I don't care, I get to go on a school day! > OH...for a job like that!! Now if they would just pay for your fabrics too, > huh? I'm so jazzed to be able to help in even this small way to further the > cause of continued home sewing. > > Well, good luck and don't forget to tell the kids that if they sign up for > the mailing list there they get 50% off coupons every other month or so and > it makes a big difference in the cost of garment. :) > > Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:19:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01769 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:19:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8qBF01242; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8q7t16778; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09Bal305849 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:36:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCV6N6RFJK00BLIP@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:38:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCV6MSIJGA00E8R0@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:38:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:33:37 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:32:36 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.105) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:32:29 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals - Elizabethan In-reply-to: <200201081826.g08IQq322612@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <867D5E6BDC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:32:29 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > even provide meaky support for one of those big standing > ruff-crescent shaped affairs, perhaps?). My typos are getting worse! I meant to type *sneaky* support, not meaky (whatever that means) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:19:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01783 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:19:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8qEF01260; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8qAt16806; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09Be8306682 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:40:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCV6RXNN7K00DLIO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:42:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCV6RWP5VI00E8R0@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:42:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:37:40 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:36:49 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.105) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:36:45 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals - Elizabethan In-reply-to: <200201081911.g08JBc319909@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <868F4E2F15@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:36:45 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >(when will they develop the technology to transmit mental-images?) > > Oh, I hope we don't. Some of my firends have the oddest sense of > humor. I *don't want* to know what's going on their heads! Good point!!!!! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:19:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01807 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:19:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8qIF01281; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8qEt16835; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09BgC307166 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:42:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCV6UE2SM800DLIO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:44:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCV6UDLQJ800CWAE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:44:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:39:39 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:39:27 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.105) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:39:18 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches (WAS: Only slightly OT: bangs) In-reply-to: <200201090153.g091rC327798@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <869A91642E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:39:18 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Tea sandwiches sound sort of - dry and leafy? UGH! Jean!! That's a horrible thought to inflict on my poor addled brain! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:19:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01821 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:19:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8qLF01299; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8qIt16865; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20308.mail.yahoo.com (web20308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.89]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g09C2Y311617 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 05:02:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020109120241.2160.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.30.108] by web20308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 04:02:41 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020108.195800.-140121.2.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:02:41 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Cynthia J Ley wrote: > I teach an Ithra class in basic blackwork that > teaches some simple > reversible patterns and comes with color graphs I > made so you can see the > stitches easily. Would you like me to send you a > copy? It might help. Yes, please! email or snailmail? > What are you using for a ground fiber? If you're on > linen, it could be > that it's too hard for you to see and your stitching > is going off > accordingly. I've been working with 32-count linen and somehow my eyes aren't quite as sharp at 55 as they were in my 20's! The hardanger fabric sounds easier to work with, but the linen incorporates itself into a garment much better. If I can just make myself a pair of linen shirtcuffs before I'm too *%&%! old to see the fabric...[sigh]... Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:35:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14191 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:35:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A98OF02441; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:08:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A98Kt20609; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:08:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09LlE313860 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:47:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.151.701f11b (4197); Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:47:12 -0500 (EST) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <151.701f11b.296e1460@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com, h-needlework@ansteorra.org, SCA-GARB@list.uvm.edu, SCA-Laurels@ansteorra.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Subject: [h-cost] 12th-century garb Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:47:12 EST Status: RO Hello to the list. In the near future, I am diving headlong into some deep research on the 12th century, specifically as it pertains to garb in "Germany" and "Italy". To that end, I would please like to ask any and all of you for references, manuscripts, primary sources, etc. that you would recommend. I thank you all with great gratitude. Mistress Ingvild _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15104 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:36:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A997F02504; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:09:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A993t20864; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:09:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A971t20217 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-93.frys.com [66.121.20.93]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0A95Lr01329 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:05:21 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020110010827.017838f0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" In-Reply-To: <20020109120241.2160.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020108.195800.-140121.2.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:12:11 -0800 Status: RO >> What are you using for a ground fiber? If you're on >> linen, it could be >> that it's too hard for you to see and your stitching >> is going off >> accordingly. > >I've been working with 32-count linen and somehow my >eyes aren't quite as sharp at 55 as they were in my >20's! The hardanger fabric sounds easier to work >with, but the linen incorporates itself into a garment >much better. If I can just make myself a pair of >linen shirtcuffs before I'm too *%&%! old to see the >fabric...[sigh]... What about doing the blackwork using waste canvas, and counting 'threads' on that? I have a shirt in the works where I'm not sure these nearsighted eyes can even see the threads in the fabric (I'd go the rest of the way blind if I tried). So I'm planning to use waste canvas in a reasonable size, then pulling it out after the stitches are in. It should be a good combination of the fabric the wearer wants and the stitches the embroiderer wants. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:36:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15387 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:36:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A99OF02626; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:09:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A99Kt21042; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:09:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx08.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09Mlat04669 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:47:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.98.169] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 69217183 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:40:33 -0500 Message-ID: <004601c1995d$7e0a5860$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:32:16 -0600 Status: RO I was trying to find some good places for my brother to see some possibilities of Elizabethan-ish men's wear, so he can pick out something that he wants for this year's Faire. This was one of the pages I found, and it's close enough that I can probably get a fair idea of what he wants, I just would like a bit closer look, particularly at #62. Or if anyone has any good links of pictures/portraits of Elizabethan men (preferrably more middle-class) that I can send him? PS. Sorry about the "no subject" line - I'm just getting the hang of Outlook. ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:27 PM Subject: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer > > picture of the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this > > picture in the first place? > > > > http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm > > Was there a particular one of these pictures you were interested in? The > link you gave shows many pages scanned from one of those Victorian > coffee-table costume books. I don't see a label, but if I had to lay > money, I'd say it's "Costumes of All Nations," by Albert Kretschmer and > Carl Rohrbach, published in 1882 in England according to my notes from my > lecture on Victorian costume scholarship. The authors are German, but I > don't recall whether there was an earlier German edition, or whether the > British publication was first. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:37:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15808 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:37:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A9A4F02717; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A9A1t21263; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09IPN325246 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:25:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.100] (as3-4-114.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.100]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g09IPUD28975 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:25:31 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020109044031.49638.qmail@web20808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020109044031.49638.qmail@web20808.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork "paths" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:28:54 -0800 Status: RO I don't know that this will work for everyone, but here's my method. First: if all the parts of a blackwork pattern touch each other in some way, it can be made reversible ("can", not "must" or "will"); if any parts of the design are separated from other parts and don't touch, it _can't_ be made exactly reversible. (It may be possible to stitch it such that the reverse is an equally pleasing pattern, but it will not be exactly the same pattern.) A slight modification of this rule is that if you have a band pattern that involves more than one separate bands that don't touch (e.g., a broad central band with narrower "racing stripes"), then if you work each band as a separate project, they can all be made reversible. Any potentially reversible design can be visualized as a "branching tree" structure -- that is, a single main path with numerous branches coming off of it (which may themselves have branches), but where each branch has an end rather than coming back into the pattern. To visualize this, you may have to visualize "breaks" in the line at points were the line actually continues (e.g., a "lollipop" shape must be "broken" where one side of the loop meets the stem and becomes a single, unbranching line). When you work the design, pick one path that continues along your entire design as your "main" path (if it's a band with straight edges, then one edge works nicely for this) and run a single line of your running stitch along this path. Start to return, but every time you hit a branch off this main path, go off and work it until it is entirely done before you return to the main path. This explanation works better if I can doodle while giving it, but I don't trust the stability of ascii art enough to try here. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:37:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16041 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:37:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A9ANF02827; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A9AJt21405; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09MIH301014 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:18:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.116]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020109221825.WYGW27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:18:25 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3CC177.4A0AFB08@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mr. Dolan's site & book recomendations.. References: <002101c1989f$2d6c9f80$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> <3C3CA2C7.1010708@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:17:27 -0600 Status: RO Correction.....Some larger pics, of course the ones I want to take a peek at are only 9k...*grumbles* Okay guys and gals I am going to start my "library" any one have a suggestion for a couple of good "starter" books?? Katie Katie wrote: > > I am not sure which thumbnail in particular you wanted a closer look at > but if you remove the "/thmb6.htm" from the URL it will give you the > directory of his costume folder. There listed as "costmX.jpg" (X being > the page number" are the larger versions of the thumbnails. > > Katie > > Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer picture of > > the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this picture in the > > first place? > > > > http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm > > > > Thanks! > > ********************** > > Rebecca Schmitt > > aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of > > Bristol, > > BRF FOF > > > > So many books, so little time > > > > lotsofteapots@charter.net > > ********************** > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:38:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16292 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:38:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A9AhF02852; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A9Adt21548; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20304.mail.yahoo.com (web20304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0A04bt13953 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:04:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020110000437.22889.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:04:36 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Braid cases and barbettes...do they "go together"? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:04:36 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I'm doing 12th C. English and really want to experiment with braid cases, but I'm not giving up my barbette and veil! Iohanna the Harper (mka Joan Hall) "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:38:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16418 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:38:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A9ApF02872; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A9Alt21575; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13508.mail.yahoo.com (web13508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0A0gct28898 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:42:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020110004239.37147.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.192.1.15] by web13508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:42:39 PST From: Sheila To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200201090153.g091r3327760@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] 1510 Mens Florentine Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:42:39 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Does anyone have a reference of what the bottom-half of this outfit might have looked like? http://www.getty.edu/art/collections/objects/oz792.html Sheila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:38:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16573 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:38:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A9AxF02891; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A9Att21623; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A0lHt00476 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:47:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17314 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p6.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.134]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA10877 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:47:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201100047.TAA10877@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:42:45 -0500 Status: RO Hey, folks, I found a pair of clogs in an antique shop about 20 miles from Hanover, PA last summer. The woman running the shop had no idea about their history. I haven't asked anyone about them because I hadn't gotten around to taking pics yet... but I got a digital camera recently, so here are the pics: http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/clogs1.JPG http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/clogs2.JPG http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/clogsdetail.JPG In the last shot, you can see how the leather is held onto the wood: there's a channel in the wood just under the sole edge, and a piece of wire is 'stapled' into the channel using smaller pieces of wire as staples. They are definitely handmade. I'd say from the size of these that they are men's -- or a very large woman's. Given that these are from rural PA (mid-state), my own guess about them is that they've got German roots. Does anyone know whether/if such clogs were worn in the 18th c. by German immigrants and their descendants? I've seen enough "wooden shoes" in antique shops brought back from Europe as tourist items that I'm a bit cautious, but it seems plausible that these are a genuine holdover. I am going to ask around a bit more about them, now that I actually have some pictures taken . But -- thoughts, folks? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 05:55:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28809 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:55:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ABS5F07722; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:28:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ABS0t02870; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ABRMt02750 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:27:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6209C3A8E5C for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:27:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007001c199d2$3415a460$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: <867D5E6BDC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals - Elizabethan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:27:43 -0600 Status: RO (sighs in relief) I was almost afraid to ask what "meaky" support might be! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals - Elizabethan > > even provide meaky support for one of those big standing > > ruff-crescent shaped affairs, perhaps?). > > My typos are getting worse! > > I meant to type *sneaky* support, not meaky (whatever that means) > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 07:27:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29228 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:27:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ACxcF11490; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:59:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ACxWt21651; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:59:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (dsl092-160-084.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.160.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ACuZt21042 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:56:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from gideonfamily.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21EE5811F for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:56:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C3D8F82.ADB2EB18@gideonfamily.org> From: Andrea Gideon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject References: <004601c1995d$7e0a5860$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:56:34 -0500 Status: RO > > Or if anyone has any good links of pictures/portraits of Elizabethan men > (preferrably more middle-class) that I can send him? > > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of > Bristol, > BRF FOF > Are you looking for period examples or would you be intrested in pictures of recreations? Here are some pics of my husband in his middle class Elizabethan clothes. http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/dcp_0039a.jpg http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/p0001257.jpg http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/dcp_0079.jpg http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/p0000887.jpg Andrea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 08:49:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29804 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:49:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AEM7F16980; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:22:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AEM1t12554; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20306.mail.yahoo.com (web20306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0AELLt12392 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:21:21 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020110142122.49952.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.109.48] by web20306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:21:22 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020110010827.017838f0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:21:22 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > What about doing the blackwork using waste canvas, > and counting 'threads' > on that? I don't know why I didn't think of that - I have waste canvas in 3 sizes somewhere - [still haven't done my traditional January 1st organization of needlework supplies]. I guess maybe in some twisted corner of my small brontosaurus brain I thought it was somehow "cheating" and all the other embroiderers would laugh at me! :-) Thanks for making sense! I'm going to cut out my cuffs tonight. I'm going to try to find a blackwork pattern that's as close as I can get to my state flower, the California Poppy. Iohanna the Harper [m.k.a. Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 08:52:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29820 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:52:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AEP5F17229; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:25:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AEP0t13472; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AEOLt13227 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:24:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m115.in-tch.com [216.166.191.115]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0AEDBn15001 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:13:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C3DA43E.7E40001D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" References: <20020108.195800.-140121.2.Cley@juno.com> <4.1.20020110010827.017838f0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:25:02 -0700 Status: RO Waste canvas actually works pretty good (I've done it, and it worked for me, at least ). The only thing I can caution about, is watching the tension of your embroidery. When you remove the waste canvas, the embroidery threads tend to sit a little loosely on the fabric, as they no longer have the canvas threads between them and the ground fabric. Oh, and make sure you don't pierce any of the waste canvas threads with your embroidery--it makes it a real pain in the @ss to get out (experienced based ;-) --Sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > What about doing the blackwork using waste canvas, and counting 'threads' > on that? I have a shirt in the works where I'm not sure these nearsighted > eyes can even see the threads in the fabric (I'd go the rest of the way > blind if I tried). So I'm planning to use waste canvas in a reasonable > size, then pulling it out after the stitches are in. It should be a good > combination of the fabric the wearer wants and the stitches the embroiderer > wants. > > Kayta > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 09:37:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18581 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:37:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AFA6F20675; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:10:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AFA0t01962; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.wireweb.net ([64.243.192.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AF9Wt01746 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:09:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200201100904.AA1626931422@mail.wireweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Cynthia Bucheger" X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" X-Mailer: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:04:07 -0600 Status: RO > >I've been working with 32-count linen and somehow my >eyes aren't quite as sharp at 55 as they were in my >20's! The hardanger fabric sounds easier to work >with, but the linen incorporates itself into a garment >much better. If I can just make myself a pair of >linen shirtcuffs before I'm too *%&%! old to see the >fabric...[sigh]... > > May I suggest reading glasses, at the highest magification you can find will help greatly. I found working blackwork under one of those lights with a lens let me work a lot fast than I could without it. So I looked for and found reading glasses that help when I'm at work with great lighting during lunch to work without the eye strain. And yes, if someone brings me something to read, I have to take the glasses off to read it. :) Alexandria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 10:06:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18661 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:06:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AFd6F23363; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:39:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AFd0t14313; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AFcOt14090 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:38:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020110153823.EQTE10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:38:23 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Braid cases and barbettes...do they "go together"? Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c47b14c.816243315@mail.attbi.com> References: <20020110000437.22889.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020110000437.22889.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0AFcOt14090 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:38:31 GMT Status: RO On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:04:36 -0800 (PST), the following was written in this electric book by Joan Garner : > >I'm doing 12th C. English and really want to >experiment with braid cases, but I'm not giving up my >barbette and veil! Well, I'm not sure that I have *any* good news for you. :( (for coherency's sake, I mean mid-12th century, since that's what most people mean by '12th century') I haven't found any period references or depictions of braid cases. I'm beginnning to suspect that they may have been a conflation of the wrapped-braid style seen in the 12th century and the actual article (decorative braid casings) worn in Italy a couple of centuries later. I have been researching this era like mad, and the only (as in single, and tiny) depiction that I have seen that *might* depict something entirely covering a braid in the 12th century seems to be a clumsy, smallscale representation of the ribbon-braiding technique (or actual close wrappings -it's not clear enough to tell). They certainly aren't covered by a coherent or even decorated covering, and the woman so depicted is probably a servant. I also have not seen any evidence for the barbette as a defined, highlighted, fashion accessory this early. They seem to be clearly an item of 13th century dress. There *may* be linen bands to which veils are pinned, but they are either obscured or left out of the images entorely. I choose to use linen bands for convenience, since I don't like my veil flying away, though I am aware of their possible incorrectness. If you like, use a much narrower band under the chin, so it is not as obvious as a barbette - mine is about 1" wide. The difference in width should be enough to prevent people misdating your clothing by its accessories. If you want to use braid cases, go ahead, but I thought that I should let you know my disappointing findings, should you be interested. I was really hoping they would work for me too, since my hair is only about half as long as it needs to be to do Big Fancy Court Braids, and my only other solution is false hair (which is hard to match in a carrot-red!). Since I'm fussy, I do the false hair anyway. Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 10:31:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18741 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:31:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AG46F26607; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:04:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AG40t25238; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AG3Kt24946 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:03:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g0AG3OZ136541 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:03:24 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-Reply-To: <869A91642E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:03:23 -0600 (CST) Status: RO > > Tea sandwiches sound sort of - dry and leafy? Oddly enough, I had a similar thought, only I was thinking cold, squishy and bitter--tea after it had been used. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 13:17:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19696 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:17:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AIo8F19774; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:50:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AIo1t27783; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AInYt27483 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:49:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16OkGg-000CU8-0K; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:49:38 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: costume list From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Braid cases and barbettes...do they "go together"? In-Reply-To: <20020110000437.22889.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:47:58 +0000 Status: RO Did someone say you had to? You certainly want to keep your veil, and I think the barbette should be OK - just remember, the braids come from behind it, don't try to get them in front (or you'll look very odd indeed). Jean In message <20020110000437.22889.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com>, Joan Garner writes >I'm doing 12th C. English and really want to >experiment with braid cases, but I'm not giving up my >barbette and veil! > >Iohanna the Harper >(mka Joan Hall) >"If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" >"Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 13:18:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19700 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:18:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AIokF19843; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:50:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AIodt28150; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:50:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AInct27532 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:49:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16OkGg-000CU8-0K; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:49:38 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: costume list From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Braid cases and barbettes...do they "go together"? In-Reply-To: <20020110000437.22889.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:47:58 +0000 Status: RO Did someone say you had to? You certainly want to keep your veil, and I think the barbette should be OK - just remember, the braids come from behind it, don't try to get them in front (or you'll look very odd indeed). Jean In message <20020110000437.22889.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com>, Joan Garner writes >I'm doing 12th C. English and really want to >experiment with braid cases, but I'm not giving up my >barbette and veil! > >Iohanna the Harper >(mka Joan Hall) >"If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" >"Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 13:18:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19704 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:18:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AIp6F19891; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:51:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AIp0t28359; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AIoGt27930 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:50:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16OkHM-000CYW-0K for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:50:21 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches (WAS: Only slightly OT: bangs) In-Reply-To: <869A91642E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:49:03 +0000 Status: RO > > >> Tea sandwiches sound sort of - dry and leafy? > >UGH! > >Jean!! That's a horrible thought to inflict on my poor addled brain! > >Teddy Well does it mean anything to you? I honestly don't know what a tea sandwich is - as opposed to any other sort of sandwich, I mean. JEan >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 13:22:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19729 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:22:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AIt7F20329; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:55:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AIt1t00708; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AIsPt00376 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:54:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16OkLK-000COO-0W; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:54:26 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-needlework@ansteorra.org, SCA-GARB@list.uvm.edu, SCA-Laurels@ansteorra.org From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 12th-century garb In-Reply-To: <151.701f11b.296e1460@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:52:49 +0000 Status: RO I'm not sure how much it has specifically from Germany and Italy, but this book has the most pictures of costume I've found for 12th century, especially of women : Romanesque Art - Andreas Petzold. George Weidenfeld and Nicolson Ltd 1995 ISBN - 0297833642 Jean In message <151.701f11b.296e1460@aol.com>, SNSpies@aol.com writes >Hello to the list. > >In the near future, I am diving headlong into some deep research on the 12th >century, specifically as it pertains to garb in "Germany" and "Italy". To >that end, I would please like to ask any and all of you for references, >manuscripts, primary sources, etc. that you would recommend. > >I thank you all with great gratitude. > >Mistress Ingvild >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 13:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19735 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:23:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AIu6F20439; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:56:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AIu0t01407; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20309.mail.yahoo.com (web20309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0AItgt01208 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:55:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020110185545.71771.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:55:45 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches (WAS: Only slightly OT: bangs) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:55:45 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Oh my gosh - sorry! I assumed everyone was joking!! Tea sandwiches [at least here in the U.S.] are little fancy-shmancy finger sandwiches served with afternoon tea. Iohanna the Harper (m.k.a. Joan Hall) "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" --- Jean Waddie wrote: > > > > > > >> Tea sandwiches sound sort of - dry and leafy? > > > >UGH! > > > >Jean!! That's a horrible thought to inflict on my > poor addled brain! > > > >Teddy > > Well does it mean anything to you? I honestly don't > know what a tea > sandwich is - as opposed to any other sort of > sandwich, I mean. > > JEan > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 14:18:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20437 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:18:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AJoJF28127; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:50:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AJo0t00215; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu [169.147.166.220]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0AJnVt29879 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:49:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:49:35 -0600 Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Thu Jan 10 13:49:32 2002 -0600 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:49:34 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0AJnVt29879 Subject: [h-cost] Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:49:23 -0600 Status: RO Hey, folks, I found a pair of clogs in an antique shop ........ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These look very much like clogs some friends of ours brought back from Sweden in the mid 1980's, leather is attached in almost the exactly same way. The primary difference is that the 80's clogs have a ribbed hard rubber sole attached to the bottom of the wood. This sole makes them very skid resistant and I have been using a pair on muddy days at faire for years, they wear well and are pretty comfortable with a pair of heavy socks. Looks like this style has been in use for a long time, at least in parts of northern Europe. Hope this helps. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 14:23:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20465 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:23:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AJu7F28969; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:56:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AJu1t03456; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu [169.147.166.220]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0AJsGt02628 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:54:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:54:20 -0600 Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Thu Jan 10 13:54:18 2002 -0600 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:54:20 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0AJsGt02628 Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:54:14 -0600 Status: RO I've tried wastecanvas w/ blackwork too and you really have to pay attention to the tension as Sue suggested or you can get very saggy lines once the waste canvas is removed. Some of this disappears with washing but not all. I also had a little bit of a problem with very fine silk thread snagging on the WC. I think Hedgehog Handworks carrys WC in high thread counts. My eyesight is going too, part of the reason I switched to freestyle blackwork :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 14:31:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20505 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:31:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AK27F29722; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AK21t06709; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AK0Gt05821 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:00:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.4a.4bdf00f (18403) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:00:12 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.4bdf00f.296f4ccb@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches (WAS: Only slightly OT: bangs) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4a.4bdf00f.296f4ccb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:00:11 EST Status: RO --part1_4a.4bdf00f.296f4ccb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, children listen to mamma Lalah. Tea sandwiches are the same as regular sandwiches except they are made with the crusts cut off and then cut in little triangles or squares or rectangles. Some really classy ones are cut with fancy cutters and can look like little flowers or circles or stars. They are usually dressed up with something on top -- depending on what is inside. A tea sandwich with deviled ham or a slice of meat of some sort may have an olive stuck in the top with a toothpick with ruffles on it (or a plain toothpick if that is the best you can do). Another may have a dab of cheese swirled on top. You should have the idea by now. The very best Tea sandwiches (to me) are the ones made with cream cheese as a base. You can add chopped olives, nuts, pineapple, or all manner of good stuff. There is no end of what you can put in a tea sandwich and lots of ways of cutting them in dainty finger size bites. Sometimes you can stack white bread, wheat bread white bread, wheat bread and cut them narrow so that you have layers, but that requires something that is sticky enough to hold it together. Brown bread with cream cheese is good too. Teddy, for shame, you should know that tea sandwiches are to be served with tea at tea time, not made from tea leaves. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_4a.4bdf00f.296f4ccb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      OK, children listen to mamma Lalah.  Tea sandwiches are the same as regular sandwiches except they are made with the crusts cut off and then cut in little triangles or squares or rectangles.  Some really classy ones are cut with fancy cutters and can look like little flowers or circles or stars.  They are usually dressed up with something on top -- depending on what is inside.  A tea sandwich with deviled ham or a slice of meat of some sort may have an olive stuck in the top with a toothpick with ruffles on it (or a plain toothpick if that is the best you can do).  Another may have a dab of cheese swirled on top.  You should have the idea by now.  The very best Tea sandwiches (to me) are the ones made with cream cheese as a base.  You can add chopped olives, nuts, pineapple, or all manner of good stuff.  There is no end of what you can put in a tea sand! wich and lots of ways of cutting them in dainty finger size bites.  Sometimes you can stack white bread, wheat bread white bread, wheat bread and cut them narrow so that you have layers, but that requires something that is sticky enough to hold it together.  Brown bread with cream cheese is good too.

      Teddy, for shame, you should know that tea sandwiches are to be served with tea at tea time, not made from tea leaves.

Lalah
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--part1_4a.4bdf00f.296f4ccb_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 14:54:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24637 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:54:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AKQ7F03010; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:26:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AKQ0t19889; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0AKO4t18796 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:24:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 802 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jan 2002 20:23:50 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-58.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.58) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 20:23:50 -0000 Message-ID: <005401c199ff$65feeb80$ac37fea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: <013d01c19809$d6e2cd00$ac37fea9@jchancey> <3C3BA3D9.9060203@accessus.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:51:13 -0500 Status: RO Karen asked about the knitted Regency dress. Well, I am not sure if Alison Kondo is still on the list, but she has book containing photos of this neat item. I have the pictures somewhere in my files (which are still packed), but, if you can stand to wait, I may be able to put my hand on them sometime this month! Cheers, Jennie Chancey - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 14:55:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24645 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:55:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AKQOF03053; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:26:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AKQIt20016; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:26:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AKOVt19194 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:24:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01021 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:24:36 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:24:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > Hey, folks, > I found a pair of clogs in an antique shop ........ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > These look very much like clogs some friends of ours brought back from Sweden in the mid 1980's, leather is attached in almost the exactly same way. The primary difference is that the 80's clogs have a ribbed hard rubber sole attached to the bottom of the wood. This sole makes them very skid resistant and I have been using a pair on muddy days at faire for years, they wear well and are pretty comfortable with a pair of heavy socks. Yes, I've got Swedish wooden-soled clogs, too. But a major difference is that these are hand-made, and very old . > Looks like this style has been in use for a long time, at least in parts of northern Europe. Hope this helps. > > Catherine I should have been more specific in what I'm after: -- any guesses as to the age of these items, when they would have been worn, by whom... could they conceivably be early 19th c. men's overshoes? I've since turned up two more pairs (on the web and at a museum) of wooden-soled, leather-uppered "clogs", called men's overshoes, from the early 19th century. I'd love to know if similar items were worn in the 18th century, too, in the North American colonies... by men only, or by women, too? I am pretty sure that French colonists were wearing them, but would love some hard evidence that English settlers wore them, as well. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 15:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24851 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:36:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AL98F08822; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:09:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AL90t13296; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AL8et13066 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:08:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-140.frys.com [66.121.20.140]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0AL72r16732 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:07:02 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020110124529.01782820@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-Reply-To: References: <869A91642E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:49:03 -0800 Status: RO >> Tea sandwiches sound sort of - dry and leafy? > >Oddly enough, I had a similar thought, only I was thinking cold, squishy >and bitter--tea after it had been used. No, no, that's 'tea bag' sandwiches! ;) >Well does it mean anything to you? I honestly don't know what a tea >sandwich is - as opposed to any other sort of sandwich, I mean. They're sandwiches to eat while drinking tea, with guests, in the front parlour. They're usually little triangular things of dubious nutritional value, and with the crusts cut off. Cucumber sandwiches fall into this category. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 15:37:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24855 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:37:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AL9aF08881; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:09:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AL9Tt13527; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:09:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AL8gt13094 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:08:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-140.frys.com [66.121.20.140]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0AL74r16737 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:07:05 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020110125133.017824f0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses In-Reply-To: <005401c199ff$65feeb80$ac37fea9@jchancey> References: <013d01c19809$d6e2cd00$ac37fea9@jchancey> <3C3BA3D9.9060203@accessus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:52:51 -0800 Status: RO I may be able to put my hand on them sometime >this month! And post them, please? This I gotta see. It's right up there with the knitted 'pluderhosen' in Rutt's hand knitting book. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 15:37:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24859 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:37:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AL9eF08895; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:09:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AL9Xt13584; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:09:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AL8kt13133 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:08:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-140.frys.com [66.121.20.140]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0AL70r16728 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:07:00 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020110124342.01785ca0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" In-Reply-To: <200201100904.AA1626931422@mail.wireweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:45:16 -0800 Status: RO >>before I'm too *%&%! old to see the >>fabric...[sigh]... >May I suggest reading glasses, I figured out the waste canvas idea because reading glasses don't fit over my bifocals. But thanx for the hint about a magnifying lamp. I do have one of those. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 15:48:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24907 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:48:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ALL7F10488; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:21:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ALL0t19502; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f163.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ALKnt19411 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:20:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:20:49 -0800 Received: from 164.58.10.125 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:20:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.58.10.125] From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2002 21:20:49.0583 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD0803F0:01C19A1C] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Braid cases and barbettes...do they "go together"? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:20:49 -0600 Status: RO >From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com >Well, I'm not sure that I have *any* good news for you. :( >(for coherency's sake, I mean mid-12th century, since that's what >most >people mean by '12th century') >I haven't found any period references or depictions of braid cases. >... I may be misremembering, but wasn't there one in Dress Accessories? Marc _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 15:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24941 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:51:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ALM7F10775; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:22:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ALM0t20005; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ALLNt19681 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:21:23 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id NAA17752 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:38:39 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201102138.NAA17752@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:38:39 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > From: Kevin & Mara Riley [...] > I've since turned up two more pairs (on the web and at a museum) of > wooden-soled, leather-uppered "clogs", called men's overshoes, from the > early 19th century. I'd love to know if similar items were worn in the > 18th century, too, in the North American colonies... by men only, or by > women, too? I am pretty sure that French colonists were wearing them, but > would love some hard evidence that English settlers wore them, as well. English clogs tend to look a little different. Picture a wooden sole with a regular lace-up shoe upper nailed to the sole. Here, I finally found a website with photos. http://subscriber.scoot.co.uk/walkley_clogs/ http://subscriber.scoot.co.uk/walkley_clogs/page2.htm Walkey's are one of the largest clog manufacturers left. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 15:56:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24972 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:56:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ALT8F11977; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ALT1t24412; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f56.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.56]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ALSet24226 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:28:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:28:41 -0800 Received: from 164.58.10.125 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:28:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.58.10.125] From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2002 21:28:41.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6199920:01C19A1D] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:28:40 -0600 Status: RO >From: Kevin + Mara Riley >I found a pair of clogs in an antique shop about 20 miles from >Hanover, PA >last summer. The woman running the shop had no idea >about their history. >I haven't asked anyone about them because I >hadn't gotten around to taking >pics yet... but I got a digital camera recently, so here are the pics:... >worn in the 18th c. by German immigrants and their descendants? I've >seen >enough "wooden shoes" in antique shops brought back from Europe as tourist >items that I'm a bit cautious, but it seems plausible that these are a >genuine holdover. >I am going to ask around a bit more about them, now that I actually >have >some pictures taken . But -- thoughts, folks? Ick. (I really have a personal thing about wooden shoes :) ) That being said, I'm not sure holdover is the right word, since wooden soled shoes were worn even in this country until the early 20th century (and for clog dancers, even more recently), but I'd say that these were real live honest to goodness clogs. Marc _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 16:49:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25169 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:49:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AMK9F19028; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:20:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AMK1t21512; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.14]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AMJbt21299 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:19:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.98.169] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 6579913 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:26:00 -0500 Message-ID: <004201c19a24$d65b6aa0$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: References: <004601c1995d$7e0a5860$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> <3C3D8F82.ADB2EB18@gideonfamily.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Men's Elizabethan Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:19:13 -0600 Status: RO Andrea: OOooooohhh! Nice! Did you use patterns, or did you draft yourself? ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** > > Or if anyone has any good links of pictures/portraits of Elizabethan men > > (preferrably more middle-class) that I can send him? > > > > > Rebecca Schmitt > > Are you looking for period examples or would you be intrested in pictures of > recreations? > Here are some pics of my husband in his middle class Elizabethan clothes. > http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/dcp_0039a.jpg > http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/p0001257.jpg > http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/dcp_0079.jpg > http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/p0000887.jpg > Andrea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 16:54:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25198 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:54:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AMR8F20145; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:27:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AMR0t25627; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20307.mail.yahoo.com (web20307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0AMQst25552 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:26:54 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020110222659.42362.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:26:59 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Braid cases and barbettes...do they "go together"? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:26:59 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Did someone say you had to> Just my own neurotic fear of being sneered at for TAF (total authenticity failure)!! > Garner writes > >I'm doing 12th C. English and really want to > >experiment with braid cases, but I'm not giving up > my > >barbette and veil! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 17:49:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25467 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:49:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ANLfF27030; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:21:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AND1t21363; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ANCZt21144 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:12:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10444 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:27:44 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:27:44 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Maggie Secara wrote: > According to the main page, they are: > > 1882 Lithographs by > Albert Kretschmer > Painter and Costumer to the Royal Court Theatre, Berlin Seems like that's a secondary main page on this site. There's also a page at that shows the decorative title page of the book, with the typed-out title "Costumes of All Nations: Earliest times to the Ninteenth Century." My own record on the book lists this title, which I recorded from the copy I saw: "Costumes of All Nations, from the earliest times to the Nineteenth century: Exhibiting the Dresses and Habits of all classes, Regal, Ecclesiastical, Noble, Military, Judicial, and Civil." There are two authors: Albert Kretschmer and Carl Rohrbach. My notes indicate that Kretschmer was a German theater costumer and painter, but the book in this form was published in London in 1882. I use several slides from this book in a lecture I give on the Victorian influence on medieval costume scholarship. The images are pretty romanticized; for instance, on plate 31, which shows French costume from 1000, you'll see things like a woman holding a falcon without a glove, and a couple of Bayeux tapestry warriors with armor far more detailed than what's actually shown in the tapestry (indicating the artist filled in the blanks, either with his best guess or from some unknown source). When I researched this in more detail, I was able to trace some of the images to an earlier, widely popular 1829 French costume book by Camille Bonnard, which Kretschmer evidently used as one of his sources. Bonnard took lots of liberties in his interpretations, and Kretschmer copied Bonnard's images (with his changes intact) and made his own changes in the process. That means that you should not rely on the accuracy of anything -- colors, details, silhouette -- in one of Kretschmer's pictures unless you can find and compare it to the original source. But I'm glad to see this book online; I took only a few slides from the copy I saw, and it's nice to have the rest ready at hand. --Robin > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > > > > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer > > > picture of the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this > > > picture in the first place? > > > > > > http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm > > > > Was there a particular one of these pictures you were interested in? The > > link you gave shows many pages scanned from one of those Victorian > > coffee-table costume books. I don't see a label, but if I had to lay > > money, I'd say it's "Costumes of All Nations," by Albert Kretschmer and > > Carl Rohrbach, published in 1882 in England according to my notes from my > > lecture on Victorian costume scholarship. The authors are German, but I > > don't recall whether there was an earlier German edition, or whether the > > British publication was first. > > > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 18:24:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25581 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:24:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ANv9F02195; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:57:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ANv0t13307; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ANuPt13052 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:56:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020110235626.ZRAF3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:56:26 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Braid cases and barbettes...do they "go together"? Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c5424cc.845811492@mail.attbi.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0ANuPt13052 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:56:36 GMT Status: RO On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:20:49 -0600, the following was written in this electric book by "Marc Carlson" : >>From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com >>Well, I'm not sure that I have *any* good news for you. :( >>(for coherency's sake, I mean mid-12th century, since that's what >most >>people mean by '12th century') >>I haven't found any period references or depictions of braid cases. >>... > >I may be misremembering, but wasn't there one in Dress Accessories? > >Marc There's a 14th century partial hairpiece (one of the braids is gone), but that falls into the category of false hair, rather than braid cases, and is two centuries later than the items under discussion are supposed to have existed. You aren't misremebering exactly, but I can see how it might seem that the one was the other - especially if you are unlikely to have to wear such things yourself :) I should probably note that false hair (including under that heading anything that could be braided in, including flax line, horsehair, wool, and silk, as well as human hair and ribbons) *is* the most likely method for extension of the hair when and where needed during the 12th century vogue for conspicuous long braids. However, it seems that women not able to wear their hair in this manner may simply have not tried to - obscured (under veils or mantles) and loose hair is about as common as the two main types of braided hairdressing methods in my research, so far. So, to the original poster, you don't have to wear long braids if you don't want to. :) An unscientific (not tallied or charted, that comes later - after I've added in all I can find in text sources) survey of the various methods I've seen in period artwork can be found here: http://www.florilegium.org/files/PERSONAL/hair-msg.html about 3/4 of the way down, in the list of messages called 'braid casings". To find my messages, just search for 'chimericalgirl@home.com' (my old email address). Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 18:45:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25664 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:45:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B0I8F04497; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:18:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B0I1t23261; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B0Hit23172 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:17:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:17:04 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E0E@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork "paths" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:17:44 -0800 Status: RO There is a lovely branch of mathematics that deals with this problem. It's graph theory. Your problem is quite simply resolved by applying Euler's theorem. You may not realize it, but you are actually applying the theory, in a simplified, non-generalized version. This page tells the story of the "Bridges of Konigsberg" game that prompted the invention of this field. It explains both the game and the solution in clear terms. There are NO equations. http://www.jcu.edu/math/vignettes/bridges.htm --cin Cynthia in Tokyo > First: if all the parts of a blackwork pattern touch each other in > some way, it can be made reversible ("can", not "must" or "will"); if > any parts of the design are separated from other parts and don't > touch, it _can't_ be made exactly reversible. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 19:16:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25773 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:16:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B0mCF07291; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:48:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B0m1t05058; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13904.mail.yahoo.com (web13904.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.67]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0B0l2t04659 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:47:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020111004709.36893.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.0.223.241] by web13904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:47:09 PST From: Megan McConnell Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork "paths" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:47:09 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Actually, Heather, that is a beautifully clear explaination - and a way I had never thought of doing it!!! Megan M --- Heather Rose Jones wrote: > I don't know that this will work for everyone, but > here's my method. > > First: if all the parts of a blackwork pattern touch > each other in > some way, it can be made reversible ("can", not > "must" or "will"); if > any parts of the design are separated from other > parts and don't > touch, it _can't_ be made exactly reversible. (It > may be possible to > stitch it such that the reverse is an equally > pleasing pattern, but > it will not be exactly the same pattern.) A slight > modification of > this rule is that if you have a band pattern that > involves more than > one separate bands that don't touch (e.g., a broad > central band with > narrower "racing stripes"), then if you work each > band as a separate > project, they can all be made reversible. > > Any potentially reversible design can be visualized > as a "branching > tree" structure -- that is, a single main path with > numerous branches > coming off of it (which may themselves have > branches), but where each > branch has an end rather than coming back into the > pattern. To > visualize this, you may have to visualize "breaks" > in the line at > points were the line actually continues (e.g., a > "lollipop" shape > must be "broken" where one side of the loop meets > the stem and > becomes a single, unbranching line). > > When you work the design, pick one path that > continues along your > entire design as your "main" path (if it's a band > with straight > edges, then one edge works nicely for this) and run > a single line of > your running stitch along this path. > > Start to return, but every time you hit a branch off > this main path, > go off and work it until it is entirely done before > you return to the > main path. > > This explanation works better if I can doodle while > giving it, but I > don't trust the stability of ascii art enough to try > here. > > Heather > -- > ***** > Heather Rose Jones > hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu > ***** > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Megan McConnell ICQ: 57164109 "When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, "She's so charming." I want them to say, "Be careful, I think she's armed." -G. Stoddart __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 20:52:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26118 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:52:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B2PCF14625; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:25:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B2P0t06777; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B2OJt06329 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:24:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from DarlaKDavis@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.87.15ca31cf (3974) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:24:17 -0500 (EST) From: DarlaKDavis@aol.com Message-ID: <87.15ca31cf.296fa6d0@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_87.15ca31cf.296fa6d0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10556 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:24:16 EST Status: RO --part1_87.15ca31cf.296fa6d0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/02 1:10:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes: > Cucumber sandwiches fall into this > category. > as in "Much Ado About Nothing" not the play, I mean you might as well eat air. Don't forget the watercress! Katrin --part1_87.15ca31cf.296fa6d0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/02 1:10:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes:


Cucumber sandwiches fall into this
category.


as in "Much Ado About Nothing" not the play, I mean you might as well eat air.  Don't forget the watercress!

Katrin --part1_87.15ca31cf.296fa6d0_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 22:13:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26364 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:13:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B3jAF21042; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:45:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B3j1t00835; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from c0mailgw09.prontomail.com ([209.185.149.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B3iTt00630 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:44:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from c2web22 (209.185.149.10) by c0mailgw09.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.5.029) id 3C3E24EF0000E096 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:37:37 -0800 X-Version: Informail 6.2.2073.0 From: "Kimberly Tribe" Message-Id: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:46:41 -0500 Status: RO Okay -- I now have in my posession a copy of "Costumes for stage and screen: patterns for women's dress 1500-1800". Have any of you read through this or used any of the scaled patters to know if the author has included seam allowances in her scaled patterns? I can't seem to find a reference anywhere to this point, and I'm not sure by looking at the patterns if they have been included... Admitting defeat at the question, I'm honestly not sure. I'd like to make up Queen Liz' Phoenix gown using the pattern for the bodice, but that point is fairly pertinent... And if anyone has done such a wide necked gown, can you tell me if a drawstring at the neckline would actually work to keep the sleeves *on* the shoulders? That is what is suggested, but never having tried it myself, I wonder. Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 22:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26408 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:26:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B3x9F22316; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:59:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B3x1t04870; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B3w4t04612 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r3p22.directcon.net [209.77.71.119]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27591 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:57:13 -0800 Message-Id: <200201110357.TAA27591@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:57:13 -0800 Status: RO At 10:46 PM 01/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Okay -- I now have in my posession a copy of "Costumes for stage and >screen: patterns for women's dress 1500-1800". Have any of you read >through this or used any of the scaled patters to know if the author >has included seam allowances in her scaled patterns? No, there are no seam allowances. This is standard with theatrical patterns, as it allows the cutter to lay the pattern, usually cut out of heavy paper, down on the fabric and trace around it for seamlines, giving very precisly marked stitching lines. The seam allowances are then added on in the desired width (usually 1" to allow for alterations.) As for pulling up the piping cord like a drawstring at the neckline, yes, it helps, but it doesn't replace careful fitting, only augments. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 22:45:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26478 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:45:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B4I9F23640; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:18:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B4I0t11136; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B4HAt10817 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:17:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0B4HUv29712 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:17:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200201110417.g0B4HUv29712@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question In-Reply-To: <200201110357.TAA27591@artemis.directcon.net> "from Margo@margospatterns.com at Jan 10, 2002 07:57:13 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:17:30 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Another question on her books -- what's the size/proportions of the sloper she's using? I couldn't find any reference to it in the one I have. .heather.meadows. > At 10:46 PM 01/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Okay -- I now have in my posession a copy of "Costumes for stage and > >screen: patterns for women's dress 1500-1800". Have any of you read > >through this or used any of the scaled patters to know if the author > >has included seam allowances in her scaled patterns? > > No, there are no seam allowances. This is standard with theatrical > patterns, as it allows the cutter to lay the pattern, usually cut out of > heavy paper, down on the fabric and trace around it for seamlines, giving > very precisly marked stitching lines. The seam allowances are then added on > in the desired width (usually 1" to allow for alterations.) > > As for pulling up the piping cord like a drawstring at the neckline, yes, it > helps, but it doesn't replace careful fitting, only augments. > > Margo > > > Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns > margospatterns.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 23:42:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26624 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:42:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B5FAF27865; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:15:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B5F1t27882; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B5E0t27605 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.a5.20f0ed33 (4210) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:13:54 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a5.20f0ed33.296fce92_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:13:54 EST Status: RO --part1_a5.20f0ed33.296fce92_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/2002 11:18:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, alice@wonderland.com writes: > Another question on her books -- what's the size/proportions of the > sloper she's using? I couldn't find any reference to it in the one > I have. > page 14 "All the patterns in this book are for a figure of approximately: Bust 86-91cm [34-36in] waist 63-68cm [25-27in] N-W-B 38-40cm [15-16in]" Also on page 10, there is a list of measurements with the chart. These correspond to the list above and are probably correct for the patterns. I have made the 1660s bodice right from the book. I had to adjust the boning pattern a little but this was common sense and obvious. I also greatly simplified the sleeve. [I don't like her sleeve patterns.] It looks fantastic. --part1_a5.20f0ed33.296fce92_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/2002 11:18:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, alice@wonderland.com writes:


Another question on her books -- what's the size/proportions of the
sloper she's using?  I couldn't find any reference to it in the one
I have.


page 14

"All the patterns in this book are for a figure of approximately:
Bust     86-91cm [34-36in]
waist    63-68cm [25-27in]
N-W-B  38-40cm [15-16in]"

Also on page 10, there is a list of measurements with the chart. These correspond to the list above and are probably correct for the patterns.

I have made the 1660s bodice right from the book. I had to adjust the boning pattern a little but this was common sense and obvious. I also greatly simplified the sleeve. [I don't like her sleeve patterns.] It looks fantastic.   --part1_a5.20f0ed33.296fce92_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 23:49:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26642 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:49:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B5M9F28315; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:22:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B5M0t29921; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B5LLt29732 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:21:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0B5LhY30014 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:21:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200201110521.g0B5LhY30014@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question In-Reply-To: "from AlbertCat@aol.com at Jan 11, 2002 00:13:54 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:21:43 -0800 (PST) Status: RO thanks Albert! I have the victorian one, and I swear I could never find that info. .heather. > In a message dated 1/10/2002 11:18:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, > alice@wonderland.com writes: > > > > Another question on her books -- what's the size/proportions of the > > sloper she's using? I couldn't find any reference to it in the one > > I have. > > > > page 14 > > "All the patterns in this book are for a figure of approximately: > Bust 86-91cm [34-36in] > waist 63-68cm [25-27in] > N-W-B 38-40cm [15-16in]" > > Also on page 10, there is a list of measurements with the chart. These > correspond to the list above and are probably correct for the patterns. > > I have made the 1660s bodice right from the book. I had to adjust the boning > pattern a little but this was common sense and obvious. I also greatly > simplified the sleeve. [I don't like her sleeve patterns.] It looks > fantastic. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 00:43:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26764 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:43:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B6GAF01153; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:16:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B6G0t14367; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B6FIt14179 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:15:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-0019.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.12.19]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0B6FPu91254 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:15:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3E82D4.F7910589@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 12th-century garb References: <151.701f11b.296e1460@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:14:44 -0600 Status: RO SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > In the near future, I am diving headlong into some deep research on the 12th > century, specifically as it pertains to garb in "Germany" and "Italy". To > that end, I would please like to ask any and all of you for references, > manuscripts, primary sources, etc. that you would recommend. I was having trouble finding documentation for my time period (late 12th C France; well, Kingdom of Burgundy). I figured manuscripts would be a good source. I spoke with some scribal arts folks and found out that not much survives from that time period; too many wars over ran the area. I have found one good source, however. I believe it's German. Herrad of Landsberg's "Hortus Deliciarum (Garden of Delights)". The original manuscript was destroyed, but several tracings were made and are available in various editions. The version I found compares most of the existing copies in one volume along with commentary. Herrad of Landsberg; Hortus Deliciarum (Garden of Delights); Commentary and Notes by A. Straub and G. Keller; Edited and Translated by Aristide D. Cartazas; Caratza Brothers, Publishers; New Rochelle, NY, 1977. --Charlene -- How can "crash course" and "collision course" have two different meanings? -- George Carlin ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 06:34:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12153 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:34:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BC77F15987; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:07:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BC40t14457; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (dsl092-160-084.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.160.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BC3St14383 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:03:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from gideonfamily.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43615811F for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:03:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C3ED494.DCBFDE94@gideonfamily.org> From: Andrea Gideon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's Elizabethan References: <004601c1995d$7e0a5860$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> <3C3D8F82.ADB2EB18@gideonfamily.org> <004201c19a24$d65b6aa0$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:03:32 -0500 Status: RO Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Andrea: > > OOooooohhh! Nice! Did you use patterns, or did you draft yourself? > > ********************** > Rebecca Schmitt The black suit in the last picture was the first one I made and used the Med. Misc. Period Patterns, Men's Elizabethan, about 4 years ago. I then adapted that pattern to a more period cut and fit. Finally, the green outfit at the top was based strictly from Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion. Andrea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 07:56:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16517 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:56:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BDTBF19256; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:29:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BDT0t01954; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BDSet01756 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:28:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-115-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.115]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BDSmu174654 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:28:48 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c19aa4$8f471940$73882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <31935D33B47@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <005601c197ca$01f05480$9c55fe3f@ccc> <3C3A3F73.45F46819@att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:29:58 -0500 Status: RO Sounds good to me. Are you the Crissy that works at the JoAnne's By the University Mall in Tampa? If so, it would be fairly easy to get together. Moira > Moira.... this would be a good challenge for me. It's been quite a while since > I've had a good one. We could start plotting after Gulf Wars. ( Sorry I have a > period-esque wedding gown to do before then.) > This could be fun! Wanna try? > Crissy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 07:58:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16524 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:58:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BDVBF19355; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:31:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BDV1t02467; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BDV0t02453 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-115-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.115]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BDV8u209306 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:31:08 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c19aa4$e2a89e60$73882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <20020107.120027.538.3606@wm7.jersey.juno.com> <063201c197f7$fd271dc0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> Subject: Re: Re:Re: [h-cost] Off to England MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:35:49 -0500 Status: RO > In Australia we also have travel bags with a one-way valve for when no > powered vacuum is available. If you try www.spacebags.com , you should be able to find some like this. I've seen them on an ad on BBCAmerica over and over again. Moira _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 08:02:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16565 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:02:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BDZAF19591; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:35:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BDZ0t03595; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BDY3t03381 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-115-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.115]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BDYBu220716 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:34:12 -0500 Message-ID: <003b01c19aa5$500264a0$73882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> <3C3929BA.A6EC8CA3@in-tch.com> <4.1.20020107184530.017a5570@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:38:53 -0500 Status: RO The thing I have trouble with is that they don't sit right when I sit down. (my tummy apparently sticks out beyond my chest when I sit in the wheelchair, no matter how I try to sit.);-p It also all moves north. Moira > > >figure out the corset thing. (Maybe even choose a decade that didn't do > >corsets quite yet.);-D > > Do a thing which looks like a corset, but doesn't fit any tighter than a > modern bustier, and you'll be fine in any corset period. The things don't > really have to be tight, just snug as a bra. > > Kayta _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 08:12:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16591 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:12:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BDjBF20194; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:45:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BDj0t06109; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:45:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BDi9t05906 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:44:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-115-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.115]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BDiIu305012 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:44:18 -0500 Message-ID: <006d01c19aa6$b94d8b00$73882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <16e.6d8f384.296c7032@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:48:59 -0500 Status: RO The last I knew, they did, as long as you had an interest in the subject. I do know for a fact a number of caretakers were on the list. Moira > > > have you tried posting this question to the SCA-disabled list?? > > > > their addy is medievaldisableds@yahoogroups.com > > > > this list is not only for SCA but all disableds who are into reinactment > > > Does this group allow non-disabled lurkers? The topic is one I'm interested > in. > > Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 08:29:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16622 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:29:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BE2BF21045; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:02:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BE21t10116; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BE1lt10062 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:01:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-115-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.115]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BE1tu209246 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:01:55 -0500 Message-ID: <016601c19aa9$2f590c00$73882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <867D5E6BDC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals - Elizabethan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:06:36 -0500 Status: RO :-D I figured if it weren't a typo, it might have been slang for something. It would, however, most definitely be sneaky support.;-D Moira > > even provide meaky support for one of those big standing > > ruff-crescent shaped affairs, perhaps?). > > My typos are getting worse! > > I meant to type *sneaky* support, not meaky (whatever that means) > > Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 08:47:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16697 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:47:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BEKBF22053; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:20:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BEK0t14752; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0BEJMt14624 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:19:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 1067 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 14:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.235.36) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 14:19:31 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3EF4BC.2690EBC@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question References: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:20:44 -0600 Status: RO Kimberly Tribe wrote: > > And if anyone has done such a wide necked gown, can you tell me if a > drawstring at the neckline would actually work to keep the sleeves > *on* the shoulders? That is what is suggested, but never having tried > it myself, I wonder. I have done several wide necked gowns, and a drawstring is not necessary. If you make the straps at the proper angle to the rest of the bodice, and if you make them snug enough, they will stay on unless you have really slopey shoulders. The proper angle is something you have to decide for yourself, but something less than 90 degrees (when measured from the horizontal front neckline) is useful. I don't know what Hunnisett's pattern looks like, but take a look at Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion (1560-1620), page 9, which has her conjectured pattern of the Phoenix gown. You'll see that the straps angle in towards center front. The patterns in Juan de Alcega's Pattern Book (from 1589) look the same (he was Arnold's source, in fact). If you still feel the shoulders slipping and you want to try a drawstring, consider putting it only over the shoulders (and not across the front or back) where any puckering will be hidden by the shoulder decor. Best of luck! Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 08:58:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16752 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:58:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BETBF22686; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:29:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BET1t17151; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BESit16970 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:28:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA22584 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:28:52 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals In-Reply-To: <003b01c19aa5$500264a0$73882d41@ccc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:28:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Heather wrote: > The thing I have trouble with is that they don't sit right when I sit down. > (my tummy apparently sticks out beyond my chest when I sit in the > wheelchair, no matter how I try to sit.);-p It also all moves north. > Moira Sounds like you need to make your stays/boned bodice a bit short-waisted, so that it doesn't get pushed up. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 09:26:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16852 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:26:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BExCF25604; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:59:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BEx1t26573; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20407.mail.yahoo.com (web20407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.126]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0BEw5t26161 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:58:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020111145814.33297.qmail@web20407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:58:14 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <006d01c19aa6$b94d8b00$73882d41@ccc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:58:14 -0800 (PST) Status: RO You've probably thought of this, but I'm wondering whether making the boned bodice very short (high-waisted) would help with the bending/being-a-different shape-while-sitting-down problem. If skirts start poofing out from the "waist" and if you don't stand up, it might not be noticeable that you've raised the waist. (Of course, if you happen to have a short torso to begin with, it might look a little funny.) But just thinking here, if you were going to do some sort of farthingale over the chair (which I think would be way cool if it works), wouldn't you need the waist to be a little higher anyway, so it doesn't look funny when the skirts go over the arm rests? Just trying to be helpful- Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 09:36:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16913 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:36:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BF9BF26617; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:09:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BF90t00272; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe143.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.136]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BF84t29716 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:08:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:08:08 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.25.98.19] From: "Gia Gavino" To: "Costume List" Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C19A6E.B62C9660" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2002 15:08:08.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[C72CDEA0:01C19AB1] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:08:03 -0800 Status: RO ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C19A6E.B62C9660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you go cavalier, which is 'short-waisted' to begin with, you would be = able to stand up too. Cavalier bodices, like some Elizabethan, can be a = separate garment (like a doublet or jerkin) from your skirt, and has thos= e wonderful 'skirt-like' peplums (not my period, so don't know the right = terminology) that could hide a multitude of costuming cheats. Or you could go with a more ornate Italian Ren (court garb?); this style = is typically high waisted anyways, and besides, typically uncorseted too. I think some of the folks I know that wear italian ren do wear corsets, b= ut since I'm not particularily well-endowed, I don't. Just a thought... Gia/Giacinta ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela Kovatch Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:02 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals You've probably thought of this, but I'm wondering whether making the boned bodice very short (high-waisted) would help with the bending/being-a-different shape-while-sitting-down problem. If skirts start poofing out from the "waist" and if you don't stand up, it might not be noticeable that you've raised the waist. (Of course, if you happen to have a short torso to begin with, it might look a little funny.) But just thinking here, if you were going to do some sort of farthingale over the chair (which I think would be way cool if it works), wouldn't you need the waist to be a little higher anyway, so it doesn't look funny when the skirts go over the arm rests? Just trying to be helpful- Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C19A6E.B62C9660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you go cava= lier, which is 'short-waisted' to begin with, you would be able to stand = up too.  Cavalier bodices, like some Elizabethan, can be a separate = garment (like a doublet or jerkin) from your skirt, and has those wonderf= ul 'skirt-like' peplums (not my period, so don't know the right terminolo= gy) that could hide a multitude of costuming cheats. 
&n= bsp;
Or you could go with a more ornate Italian Ren (court gar= b?); this style is typically high waisted anyways, and besides, typically= uncorseted too.
 
I think some of the fo= lks I know that wear italian ren do wear corsets, but since I'm not parti= cularily well-endowed, I don't.
 
Just a thoug= ht...
Gia/Giacinta 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Angela Kovatch
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:02 AM
To: h-costume@indra.com
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Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair h= istoricals
 
You've probably thought of this, but I'= m wondering
whether making the boned bodice very short
(high-waiste= d) would help with the
bending/being-a-different shape-while-sitting-d= own
problem.  If skirts start poofing out from the "waist"
and= if you don't stand up, it might not be noticeable
that you've raised = the waist.  (Of course, if you
happen to have a short torso to be= gin with, it might
look a little funny.)  But just thinking here,= if you
were going to do some sort of farthingale over the
chair (w= hich I think would be way cool if it works),
wouldn't you need the wai= st to be a little higher
anyway, so it doesn't look funny when the ski= rts go
over the arm rests?

Just trying to be helpful-
Angela=

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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C19A6E.B62C9660-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 09:50:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17004 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:50:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BFNCF28184; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:23:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFN2t05734; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFM8t05382 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:22:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.aa.4c008d6 (4210) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:22:08 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_aa.4c008d6.29705d20_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:22:08 EST Status: RO --part1_aa.4c008d6.29705d20_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/2002 12:22:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, alice@wonderland.com writes: > thanks Albert! My pleasure. I have the victorian one, and I swear I could never find > that info. In that volume, the measurement chart is on page 13. --part1_aa.4c008d6.29705d20_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/2002 12:22:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, alice@wonderland.com writes:


thanks Albert!  
My pleasure.


I have the victorian one, and I swear I could never find

that info.
In that volume, the measurement chart is on page 13.



--part1_aa.4c008d6.29705d20_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 09:54:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17020 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:54:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BFRBF28693; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:27:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFR0t07211; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFQit07131 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:26:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.113.ac3a207 (4210) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:26:46 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <113.ac3a207.29705e36@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_113.ac3a207.29705e36_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:26:46 EST Status: RO --part1_113.ac3a207.29705e36_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/2002 9:20:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, melanie@faucet.net writes: > I have done several wide necked gowns, and a drawstring is not > necessary. If you make the straps at the proper angle to the rest of > the bodice, and if you make them snug enough, True. Ideally the draw string really shouldn't be what holds the neckline up. It just ensures a snug edge close to the skin. In fact one shouldn't even be able to detect the drawing up. It should be just a slight smidgen with no gathering, just some ease distributed around the shoulders and back. --part1_113.ac3a207.29705e36_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/2002 9:20:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, melanie@faucet.net writes:


I have done several wide necked gowns, and a drawstring is not
necessary.  If you make the straps at the proper angle to the rest of
the bodice, and if you make them snug enough,


True.

Ideally the draw string really shouldn't be what holds the neckline up. It just ensures a snug edge close to the skin. In fact one shouldn't even be able to detect the drawing up. It should be just a slight smidgen with no gathering, just some ease distributed around the shoulders and back. --part1_113.ac3a207.29705e36_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 09:55:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17028 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:55:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BFSBF28825; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:28:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFS0t07734; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.wireweb.net ([207.235.90.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFRkt07523 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:27:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from wireweb.net [207.235.88.82] by smtp.wireweb.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.04) id A55DF48500DE; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:31:41 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3F063B.7B4625@wireweb.net> From: Alexandria Doyle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-PCD_V45 (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals References: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> <3C3929BA.A6EC8CA3@in-tch.com> <4.1.20020107184530.017a5570@mail.frys.com> <003b01c19aa5$500264a0$73882d41@ccc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:35:23 -0600 Status: RO I had a "happy" accident with my latest corset. I had made one of the effigy design, used reeds as stays and was quite comfy with the overall fit. What lead to the "accident" ... I prelace the corset, wiggle into it and then work the laces tight, usually by myself. This means a very long lace, that I just wrap to the front and tie into a large bow while wearing it. Apparently one of the first times I wore it, I pulled this lace too tight around the waist and through the course of the day it broke the reeds at the front waist, where you bend. I find now that I have a range of movement that I didn't have before and it's wonderful. the lower panel usually behaves (sometimes it wants to flip up) and gives that flatness in front when standing or sitting. -I am also one that the tummy protrudes when I sit. No amount of exercise or weight loss has fixed that yet- I have no intentions at this time to replace the broken reeds, and am planning a second corset, trying to figure out if I should pre-break the reeds or let it happen the same as before. Alexandria Heather wrote: > > The thing I have trouble with is that they don't sit right when I sit down. > (my tummy apparently sticks out beyond my chest when I sit in the > wheelchair, no matter how I try to sit.);-p It also all moves north. > Moira > > > > >figure out the corset thing. (Maybe even choose a decade that didn't do > > >corsets quite yet.);-D > > > > Do a thing which looks like a corset, but doesn't fit any tighter than a > > modern bustier, and you'll be fine in any corset period. The things don't > > really have to be tight, just snug as a bra. > > > > Kayta > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 10:19:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17128 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:19:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BFqCF01794; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:52:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFq0t18136; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFp9t17780 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:51:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCY84OW89C00EGTF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:53:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCY84FQNWE00F57Q@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:53:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:48:21 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:48:12 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.182) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:48:07 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-reply-to: <200201101904.g0AJ4Jt05980@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:48:07 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Well does it mean anything to you? I honestly don't know what a tea > sandwich is - as opposed to any other sort of sandwich, I mean. I assumed it was the "genteel" sort of sandwiches you'd have with tea from loose-leaf tea in a teapot and china cups with matching saucers, cube-sugar in a bowl with silver tongs to pick it out etc, rather than the huge chunky doorsteps of bread and filling wot people like me has with big mugs of PGTips made using teabags and the same spoon for stirring the tea and fishing out the teabag as you used to get the granulated sugar from the bag Teddy (Uncouth? Me? Abso-bloody-lutely!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 10:22:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17145 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:22:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BFtBF02162; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:55:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFt1t19452; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFsKt19134 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:54:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCY88PG5SW00EJWT@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:56:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCY88DKUGU00F57Q@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:56:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:51:35 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:50:30 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.182) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:49:46 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-reply-to: <200201101904.g0AJ4Jt05980@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:49:46 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Oh my gosh - sorry! I assumed everyone was joking!! > Tea sandwiches [at least here in the U.S.] are little > fancy-shmancy finger sandwiches served with afternoon > tea. You see, Jean, she meant *posh* ones...... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 10:30:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17179 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:30:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BG3FF03094; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:03:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BG34t22944; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:03:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BG1ot22391 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:01:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCY8I4LMFK00DTUN@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:03:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCY8HZUQ2Q00F57Q@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:03:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:59:14 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:58:50 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.182) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:58:48 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-reply-to: <200201102359.g0ANxKt14474@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:58:48 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Teddy, for shame, you should know that tea sandwiches are > to be served with tea at tea time, not made from tea leaves. Hey! I may not have known all the details but I had the general idea - it's *Jean* who's the uncultured slob in this case.... Pthphphpht! Teddy (going into hiding) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 10:54:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17270 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:54:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BGRCF06248; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:27:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BGR0t04781; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailjayb.creighton.edu (root@MailjayB.creighton.edu [147.134.2.193]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BGQbt04595 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:26:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by mailjayb.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA23731 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:26:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001201c19abc$4b6c4340$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:23:23 -0600 Status: RO Kimberly: Unless indicated, none of the patterns have seam allowances. I've only used some of the patterns to dress dolls, not people and even then, I only scaled them up or down to the height of the dolls and then altered them to fit, of course, keeping the cut and seaming authentic. If I didn't agree, I went to Janet Arnold's books to look for an authentic pattern. Once you have a fit, then you can make your seam allowances the width comfortable for you to work with. Some people want to have more to work with in case of fitting problems, others less. I will usually start with a half-inch wide seam allowance and trim it down to a 1/4" wide or less, for dolls. I find sew-in interfacing makes better pattern pieces then tissue paper, or paper towels, especially for dolls. I hand-sew and sew-in interfacing is something easy to baste if you want to make sure the fit is perfect. It is more reliable than tape and pins may scratch dolls' porcelain parts. (But you can stick pins in with abandon on cloth parts!) Making the foundation garments first is a must. A hard-bodied vinyl or porcelain doll may not need a real corset or stays(adds bulk) but will need any shifts, farthingales or bumrolls the outer costume requires. Often boring, but if I really want to work with the fashion fabrics and trims, I'll make the shoes(necessary anyway) or headdress first to get that out of my system. With soft-bodied dolls(with porcelain limbs and shoulder or bust plates or head and shoulder bust plate all in one), I've found that having the correct stays or corset not only creates the correct foundation silhouette, the dolls stuffing doesn't eventually fall victim to the force of gravity, either(just like with people). And I stuff pretty firmly. Cindy Abel ILL Coordinator Health Sciences Library Creighton University 2500 California Plaza Omaha NE 68178-0210 Phone: 402. 280-5144 Fax: 402.280-5134 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimberly Tribe" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question > Okay -- I now have in my posession a copy of "Costumes for stage and > screen: patterns for women's dress 1500-1800". Have any of you read > through this or used any of the scaled patters to know if the author > has included seam allowances in her scaled patterns? I can't seem to > find a reference anywhere to this point, and I'm not sure by looking > at the patterns if they have been included... Admitting defeat at the > question, I'm honestly not sure. I'd like to make up Queen Liz' > Phoenix gown using the pattern for the bodice, but that point is > fairly pertinent... > > And if anyone has done such a wide necked gown, can you tell me if a > drawstring at the neckline would actually work to keep the sleeves > *on* the shoulders? That is what is suggested, but never having tried > it myself, I wonder. > > Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor > ____________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 11:00:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17290 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:00:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BGXBF06964; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:33:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BGX1t08041; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20103.mail.yahoo.com (web20103.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0BGW0t07474 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:32:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020111163202.46266.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.195.39] by web20103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:32:02 PST From: Sidonia Ros To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Fabric questions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:32:02 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Greetings to the list. I am working on some new garb for upcoming faire/events and have a couple of questions regarding fabric choices. First, what is Faustian? Does it still exist? What would be a modern day equivalent? Second, I am working on a lower middle class/campfollower gown for the German guild at my faire and have had it suggested to me that I could use either wool or brushed denim. Now did brushed denim exist in the renaissance? If so, would it have necessarily been used by a lower clas individual. If it didn't exist, what would be the purpose in suggesting the fabric; what is it supposed to simulate? Thank you. Ghislaine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 11:01:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17303 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:01:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BGYCF07190; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:34:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BGY0t08661; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from globalnomad.co.uk ([213.86.239.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0BGXHt08170 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:33:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10875 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 16:14:35 -0000 Received: from ppp-2-240.cvx5.telinco.net (HELO pavilion) (212.1.153.240) by 213.86.239.36 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 16:14:35 -0000 Message-ID: <011301c19abb$d0b88500$f09901d4@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:19:58 -0000 Status: RO >PGTips made using teabags and the same spoon for stirring the tea and fishing out the teabag as you used to get the granulated sugar from the bag UGH You''l be telling me next you don't warm the mug first & put milk in your tea Lady Power (aka Mel) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 13:03:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22038 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:03:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BIaEF28679; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:36:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BIa1t15086; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BIZ6t14631 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:35:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.179.1fc260a (4459) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:35:02 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <179.1fc260a.29708a56@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_179.1fc260a.29708a56_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:35:02 EST Status: RO --part1_179.1fc260a.29708a56_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh Teddy, what would we do without you? 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--part1_179.1fc260a.29708a56_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 13:36:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22242 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:36:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BJ8YF03329; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:08:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ8Mt01868; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:08:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ74t01227 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-73.frys.com [66.121.20.73]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BJ5Ur18823 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:05:30 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020111104547.00bb1bf0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric questions In-Reply-To: <20020111163202.46266.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:56:52 -0800 Status: RO Fustian is linen in one direction and cotton(?) in the other. You can still find this in the drapery section, but it's usually too coarsely woven to look good for Landsknechts. Wool is a good choice, even for summer, as it allows body heat and moisture to pass to the outside and evaporate. If you're doing the skirt right, with all that waist bulk, you'll generate a lot of body heat (you knew that). Look for thin wool, like maybe trousers-weight, because you'll roast in coat-weight. Here in California I can usually find trousers-weight wool all year 'round in VietNamese cloth stores, but I have to be careful that it's 100% wool (never use a blend). Underline the pleats if you want them to look bulky, and use a band of something at the bottom for trim, to give the hem some substance. Also, see if you can get real linen for your shirt/chemise (but it has to be real flax/linen and really thin), as this will be cooler than cotton. >I am working on some new garb for upcoming >faire/events and have a couple of questions regarding >fabric choices. > >First, what is Faustian? Does it still exist? What >would be a modern day equivalent? > >Second, I am working on a lower middle >class/campfollower gown for the German guild at my >faire and have had it suggested to me that I could use >either wool or brushed denim. Now did brushed denim >exist in the renaissance? If so, would it have >necessarily been used by a lower clas individual. If >it didn't exist, what would be the purpose in >suggesting the fabric; what is it supposed to >simulate? > >Thank you. > >Ghislaine > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 13:36:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22249 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:36:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BJ8tF03407; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:08:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ8ht02117; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:08:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ77t01251 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:07:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-73.frys.com [66.121.20.73]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BJ5Vr18826 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:05:33 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020111105720.00bb8c70@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-Reply-To: <011301c19abb$d0b88500$f09901d4@pavilion> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:03:35 -0800 Status: RO Does one have to put milk (etc.) in ones tea to be English? And I was so disappointed, when I went to Australia, to find coffee drinkers in the majority. (I'm an American tea-drinker, and iced tea is fine with me, but I never put anything in my tea, hot or cold.) Obligatory costume note - is tea dying harmful to fabric? I heard that the acid in tea can damage the fibres over the years, and that one should use decaf-coffee for dying instead. >>PGTips made using teabags >and the same spoon for stirring the tea and fishing out the teabag >as you used to get the granulated sugar from the bag > >UGH > >You''l be telling me next you don't warm the mug first & put milk in your >tea > >Lady Power (aka Mel) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 13:36:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22253 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:36:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BJ8DF03301; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:08:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ80t01731; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ70t01200 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-73.frys.com [66.121.20.73]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BJ5Pr18811 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:05:26 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020111101932.00bb5640@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals In-Reply-To: <20020111145814.33297.qmail@web20407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <006d01c19aa6$b94d8b00$73882d41@ccc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:14:44 -0800 Status: RO 'Cavalier' period is good for this, as it is already short-waisted, and there's lots of room for really elaborate decoration and needlework. You can get do of the gold, lace, jewelry, and general opulence that the Elizabethans did, and still sit gracefully. And if you have anything like hips, you won't need a roll-farthingale to build, to wear, and to figure out where it's going in your chair. I'd still go for slip-covers for at least the arms and back of the chair. I'd do it in silver and black, the colours most chairs come in. If you're doing late period anyway, you can use braid, fringe, tassels, velvet, brocade - and really do it up splendid. What I really want is one of those Victorian wood and cane invalid-chairs with wheels, whether or not they can be propelled by the sitter. Every once in a while they are just the thing for living history events, like when I blow my knees out (again) morris dancing. >You've probably thought of this, but I'm wondering >whether making the boned bodice very short >(high-waisted) would help with the >bending/being-a-different shape-while-sitting-down >problem. If skirts start poofing out from the "waist" >and if you don't stand up, it might not be noticeable >that you've raised the waist. (Of course, if you >happen to have a short torso to begin with, it might >look a little funny.) But just thinking here, if you >were going to do some sort of farthingale over the >chair (which I think would be way cool if it works), >wouldn't you need the waist to be a little higher >anyway, so it doesn't look funny when the skirts go >over the arm rests? > >Just trying to be helpful- >Angela > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 13:37:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22259 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:37:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BJ8iF03374; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:08:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ8Wt02001; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:08:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ74t01232 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-73.frys.com [66.121.20.73]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BJ5Rr18819 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:05:28 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020111102832.00aa0770@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: historicals on dolls (was Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question) In-Reply-To: <001201c19abc$4b6c4340$55c98693@creighton.edu> References: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:45:02 -0800 Status: RO I like to build dolls to fit the historical pattern book patterns at their printed sizes, or at least to fit an easy enlargement of them. I spend so much time fussing with patterns for myself that I hate to have to do it for dolls. No pins - I got some little wooden clothespins for one of my dolls, but I use them for holding crochet/knit pieces together before sewing. These may work for holding doll cloth parts together, if pins might harm something. Corsetting - I find that if I stuff a little loosely, the corset adds back the bulk I didn't put in, so the doll gets her corset and I get to be a snobby purist and know that she has one. >Kimberly: Unless indicated, none of the patterns have seam allowances. I've >only used some of the patterns to dress dolls, not people and even then, I >only scaled them up or down to the height of the dolls and then altered them >to fit, of course, keeping the cut and seaming authentic. If I didn't agree, >I went to Janet Arnold's books to look for an authentic pattern. Once you >have a fit, then you can make your seam allowances the width comfortable for >you to work with. Some people want to have more to work with in case of >fitting problems, others less. I will usually start with a half-inch wide >seam allowance and trim it down to a 1/4" wide or less, for dolls. I find >sew-in interfacing makes better pattern pieces then tissue paper, or paper >towels, especially for dolls. I hand-sew and sew-in interfacing is something >easy to baste if you want to make sure the fit is perfect. It is more >reliable than tape and pins may scratch dolls' porcelain parts. (But you can >stick pins in with abandon on cloth parts!) > >Making the foundation garments first is a must. A hard-bodied vinyl or >porcelain doll may not need a real corset or stays(adds bulk) but will need >any shifts, farthingales or bumrolls the outer costume requires. Often >boring, but if I really want to work with the fashion fabrics and trims, >I'll make the shoes(necessary anyway) or headdress first to get that out of >my system. > >With soft-bodied dolls(with porcelain limbs and shoulder or bust plates or >head and shoulder bust plate all in one), I've found that having the correct >stays or corset not only creates the correct foundation silhouette, the >dolls stuffing doesn't eventually fall victim to the force of gravity, >either(just like with people). And I stuff pretty firmly. > >Cindy Abel >ILL Coordinator >Health Sciences Library >Creighton University >2500 California Plaza >Omaha NE 68178-0210 >Phone: 402. 280-5144 >Fax: 402.280-5134 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kimberly Tribe" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:46 PM >Subject: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question > > >> Okay -- I now have in my posession a copy of "Costumes for stage and >> screen: patterns for women's dress 1500-1800". Have any of you read >> through this or used any of the scaled patters to know if the author >> has included seam allowances in her scaled patterns? I can't seem to >> find a reference anywhere to this point, and I'm not sure by looking >> at the patterns if they have been included... Admitting defeat at the >> question, I'm honestly not sure. I'd like to make up Queen Liz' >> Phoenix gown using the pattern for the bodice, but that point is >> fairly pertinent... >> >> And if anyone has done such a wide necked gown, can you tell me if a >> drawstring at the neckline would actually work to keep the sleeves >> *on* the shoulders? That is what is suggested, but never having tried >> it myself, I wonder. >> >> Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at >http://www.zzn.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 13:37:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22266 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:37:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BJADF03516; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:10:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJA1t02745; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ9Ot02447 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:09:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.9e.20630e7b (4542) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:09:27 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.20630e7b.29709267@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Pattern Question & keeping shoulders in place Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:09:27 EST Status: RO When I do a gown that has widely set shoulders I pin the shoulders to either the chemise, the partlet or the shoulders of my bodeys (depending which one works best on that gown). So far I've not had a problem with them drooping. Corsage pins work well, they are long and slick and if they show they have a nice pearl on the end. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 14:18:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22537 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:18:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BJpEF08136; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:51:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJp1t22234; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us [192.154.67.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0BJott22188 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:50:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [198.86.80.179] ([198.86.80.179]) by cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (Mail-Gear 2.0.0) with SMTP id M2002011114510509709 ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:51:05 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 From: Grace Morris To: , , , Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: [h-cost] Just in case you're bored (cross posting) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:51:01 -0500 Status: RO Providence Day School Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If you have just more time on your hands than you know what to do with, check out this site... http://www.amn.org/# Jessamyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 14:39:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22649 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:39:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BKBDF10900; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:11:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BKB1t01714; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from c0mailgw04.prontomail.com ([209.185.149.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BKA7t01241 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:10:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from c2web17 (209.185.149.10) by c0mailgw04.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.5.029) id 3C3E24760004F126 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:03:11 -0800 X-Version: Informail 6.2.2073.0 From: "Kimberly Tribe" Message-Id: X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Jean Hunnisett Patterns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:12:16 -0500 Status: RO Thank you! =) I will add in the allowances and keep you all posted as I proceed (and as I hit road blocks! *lol*). Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 14:54:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22734 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:54:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BKREF13401; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:27:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BKR1t09664; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BKQ4t09206 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:26:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-18-234.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.18.234]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACY14284; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:26:02 GMT Message-ID: <005201c19ade$bce31360$ea124ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <4.1.20020111105720.00bb8c70@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:29:57 -0000 Status: RO No one does NOT have to put milk in it unless one is a builder ;) Neither does one ice tea I believe they do in France however. Much to my shame my son drinks iced tea, send him to France for 6 months & he returns with such filthy habits ;) Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 15:00:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22756 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:00:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BKWDF14160; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:32:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BKW1t12303; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BKVkt12196 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:31:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from [128.32.6.85] (doeadpub280.Lib.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.6.85]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0BKVuQ11477; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:31:56 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <151.701f11b.296e1460@aol.com> References: <151.701f11b.296e1460@aol.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com, h-needlework@ansteorra.org, SCA-GARB@list.uvm.edu From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] 12th-century garb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0BKVkt12196 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:04:40 -0800 Status: RO I've snipped the SCA-Laurels list off the "to" line, because I'm not sure it's a good idea to cross-post to a restricted list. At 4:47 PM -0500 1/9/02, SNSpies@aol.com wrote: >Hello to the list. > >In the near future, I am diving headlong into some deep research on the 12th >century, specifically as it pertains to garb in "Germany" and "Italy". To >that end, I would please like to ask any and all of you for references, >manuscripts, primary sources, etc. that you would recommend. Contributing from my specialty, here's a list of the surviving garments attributed to the 12th century from Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and Italy that I am currently aware of. Geographic references are to the current location, not always the location of origin. I've given one reference for each, either the most useful, or one from another book I'm referencing frequently. Unfortunately, but understandably, the majority of these items are ecclesiastical (the primary exception being the HRE vestments, which don't exactly count as "ordinary"). Austria Holy Roman Empire vestments (at the Vienna Schatzkammer) - alb and leggings associated with William II (Fillitz 1964, figs. 52, 57) - silk tunic (the one with the gold tube-bead embroidery on the cuffs) and embroidered cloak (the lion & camel one) associated with Roger II (many references, but I'll stick with Fillitz 1964, figs. 53, 56, pl.5) Germany Bamburg Cathedral - dalmatic associated with Otto II (Müller-Christensen 1960 -- but I've got question marks in the database, so it may be I've got the reference wrong) Passau Cathedral - a "tunicella", IIRC this is an ecclesiastical dalmatic-like garment (Bayerischen Nationalmuseum 1955 #49) Switzerland Delemont - leggins in nalebinding associated with Saint Germain (Schmedding 1978) ?location? - alb associated with St. Hugo (Schmedding 1978 #289) Italy Vatican Museum - two dalmatics falsely associated with Charlemagne, actually most likely 12th c. (Roma 1938 pl. 257) Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore, Rome - alb associated with St. Thomas Becket (Butler 1995) Florence - cope and nalebinding gloves associated with Bishop Bernardo degli Uberti (Müller-Christensen 1960 pl. 84, 106) Bibliography Bayerischen Nationalmuseum. 1955. Sakrale Gewänder des Mittelalters. Ausstellung im Bayerischen Nationalmuseum München. Butler, John. 1995. The Quest for Becket's Bones. Yale University Press, New Haven. Fillitz, Hermann. 1964. Die Schatzkammer in Wien. Schrollverlag, Wien. Müller-Christensen, Sigrid. 1960. Das Grab des Papstes Clemens II. im Dom zu Bamberg. Verlag F. Bruckmann, München. Roma .. Mostra del tessile nazionale .... 1938. L'Antico Tessuto d'Arte Italiano. La Libreria dello Stato, Rome. Schmedding 1978 (this is the book on relics in Switzerland, but I don't have the full reference handy at the moment) -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 20:07:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23995 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:07:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C1eJF20986; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:40:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C1e0t25533; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C1dEt25353 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:39:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-106.frys.com [66.121.20.106]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0C1bar29285 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:37:36 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020111112218.00bac460@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20020111112218.00bac460@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <9e.20630e7b.29709267@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Re: keeping shoulders in place Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:27:13 -0800 Status: RO The woman shopkeeper who sold me my first saree said I should pin the over-the-shoulder-hanging-down end (=palu) to my bra strap to keep it from slipping off. I think the Scottish have a special decorated brooch for keeping their over-the-shoulder plaid things in place. >When I do a gown that has widely set shoulders I pin the shoulders to either >the chemise, the partlet or the shoulders of my bodeys (depending which one >works best on that gown). So far I've not had a problem with them drooping. >Corsage pins work well, they are long and slick and if they show they have a >nice pearl on the end. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 21:41:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24438 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:41:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C3EEF28328; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:14:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3E0t19786; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3Dwt19776 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:13:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2199.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.199]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15748 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:14:11 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3FA969.9C1A8DAD@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject References: <004601c1995d$7e0a5860$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:11:37 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. Try www.tudorgroup.co.uk for some excellent folks with some good info on the subject. Mike T. > Or if anyone has any good links of pictures/portraits of Elizabethan men > (preferrably more middle-class) that I can send him? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 21:45:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24460 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:45:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C3IDF28575; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:18:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3I0t20934; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3HLt20732 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:17:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from att.net ([12.77.140.41]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020112031727.OSHJ15547.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:17:27 +0000 Message-ID: <3C3FAAB3.1F1B0775@att.net> From: Crissy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals References: <31935D33B47@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <005601c197ca$01f05480$9c55fe3f@ccc> <3C3A3F73.45F46819@att.net> <002c01c19aa4$8f471940$73882d41@ccc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:17:07 -0500 Status: RO The very same one. I've got to work tomorrow so I won't be at the event, but we'll definitely "run into" each other soon enough. I think it'll be fun! Crissy Heather wrote: > Sounds good to me. Are you the Crissy that works at the JoAnne's By the > University Mall in Tampa? If so, it would be fairly easy to get together. > Moira > > > Moira.... this would be a good challenge for me. It's been quite a while > since > > I've had a good one. We could start plotting after Gulf Wars. ( Sorry I > have a > > period-esque wedding gown to do before then.) > > This could be fun! Wanna try? > > Crissy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 21:47:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24468 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:47:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C3KDF28669; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:20:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3K0t21631; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3Jit21567 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:19:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2199.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.199]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27546 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:19:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3FAAC2.5A003865@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs References: <200201100047.TAA10877@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:17:23 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. Mara, they look like English foundry clogs from the 19th cent. They appear stylistically to be women's, though. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 22:06:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24644 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:06:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C3dDF29914; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:39:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3d0t26033; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3cat25924 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:38:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-67.frys.com [66.121.20.67]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0C3b3r32190 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:37:03 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020111190704.00bbbe10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Bier Stein Deutsch, bitte? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:46:18 -0800 Status: RO I just got a German beer stein to use at Ren. Faire. Steins look very German, and un-English, so it doesn't matter to my Landsknecht fair-character that this one's probably a 1930's tourist item. At least it's more period-like than most of the mugs sold at these events. It's heavy grey stoneware with a raised design peeking thru cobalt blue glaze. There are two lions, rampant, one holding a long-handled scoop in one paw, and the other holding a tiny barrel on a long handle (brewers' tools?). Both are resting their other paws on a half-barrel, out of which are sprouting a head of wheat (barley?) and what look like hops. It was made in an at-least-4-piece mold. It has a hinged metal (pewter?) lid and sits about 6" tall. Anyway, there is a ribbon above the lions, and another below, which say "Hopfen u. Malz" (hops and malt?) and "Gott erhalt's" (God something). My German is rusty and my dictionary is somewhere in storage. What does ' erhalt's ' mean? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 22:17:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24721 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:17:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C3oEF00765; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:50:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3o1t28780; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3njt28729 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:49:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.91.167013d1 (3927) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:49:47 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <91.167013d1.29710c5a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bier Stein Deutsch, bitte? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:49:46 EST Status: RO In a message dated 11/1/02 9:39:39 PM, kayta@frys.com writes: << "Hopfen u. Malz" (hops and malt?) and "Gott erhalt's" (God something) >> God Recieves. My mom collects this stuff and has a really old one like it, she has the translations on little slips of paper inside each stein or mug or teeny little butter churn. Hops and Malt is correct too. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 22:18:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24733 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:18:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C3pEF00851; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:51:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3p1t29006; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3oPt28865 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:50:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.17f.1fa078b (3927) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:50:24 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <17f.1fa078b.29710c7f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bier Stein Deutsch, bitte? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:50:23 EST Status: RO In a message dated 11/1/02 9:39:39 PM, kayta@frys.com writes: << tiny barrel on a long handle >> It's a taster. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 22:27:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24823 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:27:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C40EF01468; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:00:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C400t01485; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:00:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3xMt01255 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:59:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-85.frys.com [66.121.20.85]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0C3vnr32689 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:57:49 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020111200400.00bb9370@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bier Stein Deutsch, bitte? In-Reply-To: <91.167013d1.29710c5a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:07:42 -0800 Status: RO ><< "Hopfen u. Malz" (hops and malt?) and "Gott erhalt's" (God something) >> > >God Recieves. My mom collects this stuff and has a really old one like it, >she has the translations on little slips of paper inside each stein or mug or >teeny little butter churn. Hops and Malt is correct too. ><< tiny barrel on a long handle >> >It's a taster. Shows what I know. I've been drinking iced tea out of mine since I got it (washed first). If it's really stoneware, there won't be any lead in the glaze - does your mother know if they are? And, if she has one like mine, how old does she think they are? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 22:28:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24842 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:28:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C41EF01531; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:01:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C411t01716; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C40Yt01636 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:00:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-33qtn6i.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.220.210]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16PFLa-0003LA-00; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:00:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <151.701f11b.296e1460@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com, h-needlework@ansteorra.org, SCA-GARB@list.uvm.edu From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] 12th-century garb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:51:13 -0800 Status: RO At 11:04 AM -0800 1/11/02, Heather Rose Jones wrote: >?location? >- alb associated with St. Hugo (Schmedding 1978 #289) It's at the Carthusian abbey of La Valsainte in Switzerland, according to Schmedding. >Schmedding 1978 (this is the book on relics in Switzerland, but I >don't have the full reference handy at the moment) _Mittelalterliche Textilien in Kirchen und Kl{o:}stern der Schweiz_, by Brigitta Schmedding, Schriften der Abegg-Stiftung Bern, 1978; ISBN 3-7272-9682-8 -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 22:39:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24984 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:39:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C4CEF02245; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:12:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C4C1t04558; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C4B7t04333 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:11:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2cust98.tnt8.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.194.236.226] helo=earthlink.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16PFVn-0002f6-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:11:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3F9767.7030005@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea dying, was sandwiches References: <4.1.20020111105720.00bb8c70@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:54:47 -0500 Status: RO I've never heard about damaging fiber, so I won't comment on that. I must admit, I was never worried about really long term effects. Tea and coffee give you different colors and effects, though. Coffee is darker. For a stage costume, if I'm just dipping down, or I want something to look a bit gently aged, I use tea. When I want something to look really old and dirty (Ex. the tramps in Waiting for Godot) I use coffee. The color will travel to the last area to dry, so you can get some cool effects, to get muddy hems, dirty cuffs, etc. Very natural looking. Anne Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >Obligatory costume note - is tea dying harmful to fabric? I heard that the >acid in tea can damage the fibres over the years, and that one should use >decaf-coffee for dying instead. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 23:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25717 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:19:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C4pnF04612; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:51:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C4pZt16816; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:51:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0C4oJt16307 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:50:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 24439 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2002 04:50:22 -0000 Received: from buzz.sonic.net (208.201.224.78) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2002 04:50:22 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d18.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.18]) by buzz.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g0C4oLO02578; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:50:21 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C3FC0D0.EA1C090F@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume Mailing List , Vintage Clothing Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Sites with vintage and antique household linens Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:51:28 -0800 Status: RO I recently decided to buy a new antique or antique-style bedspread with hand embroidery and/or lace. I did a great deal of net searching for one. The search concluded, and my spread being on its way from the merchant, I thought I'd post some of the links I found. 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Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 23:48:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26217 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:48:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C5LEF06180; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:21:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C5L1t26813; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C5KTt26646 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:20:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A51D577C0110; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:09:49 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111225437.02adfe38@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:29:59 -0600 Status: RO Hello all, Anne Murphy, whom I know from another mailing list, graciously invited me to join in on this mailing list. I would like to begin by giving a brief bit about me :-) I am a fairly complete newbie to the world of costuming. Heck, I am new to sewing. My mother taught me how to use a sewing machine when I was 12 or so, and I didn't touch one until this Summer. The few things I've done were not really historically accurate, nor really all that well put together, but! I had fun, and it's better than showing up at an SCA event wearing nothing at all I am sure I will learn a lot from y'all :-) I work as a disability rights advocate, mostly. I use a manual wheelchair, as I'm a paraplegic. In a "prior life" I was a chef by trade. I feel I could say much more, but then, I guess you'll all get to know me, or not :-) On the topic of dealing with a chair and skirts... Well, I might be a guy, but I do have a couple ideas about this :-) When my wife was alive, we devised a way to mount half a hoola hoop to the front of her chair, with a "return U" so any material wouldn't just slide off and into the wheels. I can draw a quick graphic if anyone would like to see. I fear I have no pictures of it anywhere :-( Someone suggested: <> This isn't really a good idea, as it stands. Perhaps with some work. The reason it's not such a good idea is because the way to reach the wheels seems to be very limited, and probably wouldn't afford one the reach/leverage needed to push a chair... That is, if we're talking manual wheelchair. It's worth exploring though :-) Someone mentionned joining the SCA-Disabilities list. I'm on that list. If you have a disability or have a loved one who does, please come on in. One of the thoughts we're currently kicking around is the formation of an SCA wide Household that would work on providing resources to autocrats and other offices so their event sites are accessible... Looking for people interested in getting involved in a *working* household :-) Someone else said: <> Each time I hear this suggestion, I have heckles go up in the back of my neck... I shall give the benefit of the doubt to the person who said this. Alas, too often this suggestion is made with the idea of wanting to *hide* the chair. It's one thing to want to decorate a chair, but let's not do it for the wrong reasons. Yes, I'm one of those "I'm a gimp and I'm proud" kinda guy :-) On the topic of slip covers: <> M'lady, I beg to differ... Less and less folks using chairs go for these colours... My chair is the shifting colour of oil on water in the sunshine. Many chair are cherry red (my wife's was). Electric blue. Neon Yellow. Lime green. And many other colours. Someone mentionned wheelchairs not being "period". Here again I beg to differ. Of course, chairs as we know them today weren't period. Especially not power chairs (electric chair makes me think of a completely different type of chairs ). But there is documentation I believe for wheelchairs going back to the 1400's or so. I myself do not have it, but can get it through someone else if you are interested. On the topic of corsets riding up... Well, I oft wear a back brace that many have compared to a corset :-) The reason it doesnt' ride UP is because it's stopped at the armpit... Perhaps that concept can be used? Another thought would be to have a belt/hooks system. Sit on the belt, get the hooks at the bottom of the corset to attach to the belt, and the thing won't ride up. These are just a few quick thoughts... Other concerns I know happen are such as: -alternate method of fastening clothes that don't disrupt the period look, yet allow one with arthritis to fasten the garments. -reinforcement of sides where garments may/will rub on chairs and wear out. Shame to wear out a garment in a few outings... -I'm drawing a blank, brain farting :-( Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 00:02:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26398 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:02:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C5ZEF07053; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:35:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C5Z0t00701; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C5Yit00661 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:34:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m204.in-tch.com [216.166.191.204]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0C5NeL26765 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:23:41 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C3FCBFD.358067CE@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111225437.02adfe38@mail.bmee.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:39:09 -0700 Status: RO Ah, but you've got great long hair, a wonderful new Big Blak Dawg (tm), and you _cook_..... --Sue (maire on the sca-cooks list....heh, heh, heh....we're *everywhere*) Gorgeous Muiredach wrote: > > Hello all, > > Anne Murphy, whom I know from another mailing list, graciously invited me > to join in on this mailing list. I would like to begin by giving a brief > bit about me :-) > > I am a fairly complete newbie to the world of costuming. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 00:34:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26838 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:34:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C67FF08882; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:07:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C670t07625; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C66Ct07449 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:06:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2cust98.tnt8.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.194.236.226] helo=earthlink.net) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16PHJA-0001ul-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:06:25 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3FD276.2070901@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111225437.02adfe38@mail.bmee.net> <3C3FCBFD.358067CE@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 01:06:46 -0500 Status: RO OK, I should have warned him there'd be familiar people... but I thought he'd be interested in this discussion. He'd asked me a question about historic costume a few months ago, because he (correctly) didn't trust something in a pattern. So I also thought he'd fit in. Anne Sue Clemenger wrote: >Ah, but you've got great long hair, a wonderful new Big Blak Dawg (tm), >and you _cook_..... >--Sue (maire on the sca-cooks list....heh, heh, heh....we're >*everywhere*) > >Gorgeous Muiredach wrote: > >>Hello all, >> >>Anne Murphy, whom I know from another mailing list, graciously invited me >>to join in on this mailing list. I would like to begin by giving a brief >>bit about me :-) >> >>I am a fairly complete newbie to the world of costuming. >> > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 00:46:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27084 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:46:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C6JEF09480; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:19:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C6J0t10302; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C6INt10146 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:18:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-117.frys.com [66.121.20.117]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0C6Gnr03854 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:16:50 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020111215444.00aed9e0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111225437.02adfe38@mail.bmee.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:26:43 -0800 Status: RO >Well, I might be a guy, Guys often have very helpful ideas about what women look good in. ><itself. This will tend to frame the sitter whatever he/she is wearing. > >Each time I hear this suggestion, I have hackles go up in the back of my >neck... I shall give the benefit of the doubt to the person who said >this. I'm the one who said this, and I meant decorate. What I had in mind is to make a plain chair look like a very fancy chair, like with re-upholstered arms and a drape down the back. It's the difference between my mother's chrome and plastic kitchen chairs and my grandmother's antique front-room chairs. A slipcover would solve the decorating problem in such a way that nothing slid out of place and interfered with the wheels. And you could make pockets in the sides of the chair arm covers. Yes, I'm one of those "I'm a gimp and I'm >proud" kinda guy :-) I met a guy in Australia who said "If you can't take advantage of your disability, you don't deserve to be crippled", in 1982, after he had successfully faced down an anxious but stopped car which wanted to drive thru the marked crosswalk he was about to use. ><> > >M'lady, I beg to differ... Less and less folks using chairs go for these >colours... My chair is the shifting colour of oil on water in the >sunshine. Many chair are cherry red (my wife's was). Electric blue. Neon >Yellow. Lime green. And many other colours. That makes me old. They always used to come in black and chrome only. And my housemate's chairs are both in those colours. >Someone mentionned wheelchairs not being "period". Here again I beg to >differ. Of course, chairs as we know them today weren't >period. Especially not power chairs (electric chair makes me think of a >completely different type of chairs ). But there is documentation I >believe for wheelchairs going back to the 1400's or so. I myself do not >have it, but can get it through someone else if you are interested. I agree that wheeled chairs for those who need them go way back (I saw a picture of one from the mid-1700's just yesterday). But my housemate's newer chair is definitely not period (it has more features than my car does). I think I was trying to say that while motorized chairs aren't period, chairs are one thing everyone will forgive for not being period, and they might as well look as fancy as the rest of your outfit. >-alternate method of fastening clothes that don't disrupt the period look, >yet allow one with arthritis to fasten the garments. If the fasteners don't show, who's to know if they're period or not? (Someone in a Victorian costume workshop asked the instructor what if someone noticed his trousers fly zipped instead of buttoning, and the instructor said "If they're that close, they're not interested in authenticity".) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 08:04:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA32628 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:04:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CDbbF25335; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:37:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CDb1t11351; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CDaRt11101 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:36:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.13d.79a61ce (16783) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:36:35 -0500 (EST) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.79a61ce.297195e2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bier Stein Deutsch, bitte? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13d.79a61ce.297195e2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10555 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:36:34 EST Status: RO --part1_13d.79a61ce.297195e2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Kayta and everyone: The Saying Hopfen und Malz -Gott erhalts means: Hops and Malt - May God keep and preserve them. It is an old saying used in Bavaria. How old? I am not sure. But Hops and Malt are the ingredient for brewing beer. In Bavaria in Weihenstephan to be exact is a University for Brewers. Yes, a University. Brewing is considered a science like medicine, law etc. The Bavarians take brewing very seriously. In Bavaria they have documented laws dating back into the 1500s about the brewing of beer. Within the last year however documents were discovered in Thuringia dating even further back about the same subject. I am originally from Bavaria. I am not a beer drinker however, but the saying and the facts about the brewing laws were taught to us in elementary school. Not to encourage beer drinking but as cultural history. Beer is also referred to as "liquid bread" at times. The type of Bierstein you are describing is a very traditional old style. Usually ones made for tourists were and are very colorful. But most Germans do drink their beer out of a stein, mostly plainer than you describe, but similar. As to the tools the animals are holding yes both are brewers tools. If you really want more info I am sure you can find it somewhere on the Internet, but I figured the saying was what you really wanted to know about! Elisabeth von Hahn (SCA Elisabeth Johanna von der Flossenburg) --part1_13d.79a61ce.297195e2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Kayta and everyone:

The Saying Hopfen und Malz -Gott erhalts means:

      Hops and Malt - May God keep and preserve them.

It is an old saying used in Bavaria.  How old?  I am not sure.  But Hops and Malt are the ingredient for brewing beer.  In Bavaria in Weihenstephan to be exact is a University for Brewers.  Yes, a University.  Brewing is considered a science like medicine, law etc.  The Bavarians take brewing very seriously.  In Bavaria they have documented laws dating back into the 1500s about the brewing of beer.  Within the last year however documents were discovered in Thuringia dating even further back about the same subject.  I am originally from Bavaria.  I am not a beer drinker however, but the saying and the facts about the brewing laws were taught to us in elementary school.  Not to encourage beer drinking but as cultural history.
Beer is also referred to as "liquid bread" at times.
The type of Bierstein you are describing is a very traditional old style.  Usually ones made for tourists were and are very colorful.  But most Germans do drink their beer out of a stein, mostly plainer than you describe, but similar.
As to the tools the animals are holding yes both are brewers tools.
If you really want more info I am sure you can find it somewhere on the Internet, but I figured the saying was what you really wanted to know about!
Elisabeth von Hahn
(SCA Elisabeth Johanna von der Flossenburg)


--part1_13d.79a61ce.297195e2_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 11:03:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02734 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:03:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CGaHF04570; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:36:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CGa0t15225; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0CGZjt15173 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:35:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 4447 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2002 16:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.236.110) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2002 16:35:59 -0000 Message-ID: <3C406637.39B84AD8@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric questions References: <20020111163202.46266.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:37:10 -0600 Status: RO Sidonia Ros wrote: > > Second, I am working on a lower middle > class/campfollower gown for the German guild at my > faire and have had it suggested to me that I could use > either wool or brushed denim. Now did brushed denim > exist in the renaissance? If so, would it have > necessarily been used by a lower clas individual. If > it didn't exist, what would be the purpose in > suggesting the fabric; what is it supposed to > simulate? While there was cotton in Europe before 1600, it doesn't seem to have been made into fabric as commonly as it was used to make stuffing for padded clothing or other objects. Which isn't to say that it _wasn't_ made into fabric, just that it doesn't seem to have been as common as wool (correct me if I'm wrong, anyone!). Here are a couple of sites that have a bit of info on this: http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/periodfab.html http://users.aol.com/maist/cotton1.htm Twill (denim is twill) was of course a weave that had been used for centuries, and it could be that the person who suggested brushed denim wanted to give you a less expensive option that would have the weight and surface (though not the drape) of a heavy wool fabric. Denim, unless you get a really really soft one, will be much crisper and stiffer than a dress-weight wool. As has been pointed out, you can get finer and cooler wools, but you'll pay much more for them than you will for brushed denim. Happy Shopping! Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 11:22:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02982 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:22:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CGtHF05792; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:55:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CGt1t19417; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CGs5t19215 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:54:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.18e.1b271b0 (18709) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:54:14 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <18e.1b271b0.2971c436@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bier Stein Deutsch, bitte? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:54:14 EST Status: RO Most of Momma's steins are from the 1800's, the oldest piece is from 1790, the newest is from about 1910. That's one of the things that scares me about the mold thing-she's an antique dealer, her house is full of antiques that cannot be replaced in todays market at any price. All of the stuff in there would have to be destroyed, as a good deal of it is wood. All of the furniture I grew up with that I'd planned on passing down to MY kids. The rocking chair my great great great grandfather made for my equally great grandmother when she was pregnant for the first time, how could that be replaced? by a new rocker from Macy's? I think not. I've got to stop crying about this, there's nothing that can be done. Sorry, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 11:24:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03014 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:24:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CGvGF05960; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:57:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CGv0t19929; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f43.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CGuUt19843 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:56:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:56:41 -0800 Received: from 66.72.180.125 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:56:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.72.180.125] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2002 16:56:41.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B617B10:01C19B8A] Subject: [h-cost] Yarn/Wool shop in Chicago? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:56:40 -0500 Status: RO This question is for the weavers, spinners, etc on the list... I've grown tired of the yarn stores in the Detroit area, and happen to begoing to Chicago next weekend. I'm hoping that someone can recommend a shop or two that are good. (I'm really hoping for something along the lines of Vogue for fabric, but for yarn and wool) Any advice? Parsla _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 11:43:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03289 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:43:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CHGHF07243; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:16:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CHG0t24167; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CHFct24087 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:15:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id ACBD39FF00AC; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:05:01 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112112227.01a4ce78@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yarn/Wool shop in Chicago? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:24:38 -0600 Status: RO Parsla, I have no clue myself, but know someone who might, though I doubt she's on this list. I'll forward your mail to her and she might be able to help you. I'm in Chicago. :-) If you have some time, you might want to come by an SCA 12th night event on the Saturday. Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 12:34:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04041 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:34:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CI7IF10455; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:07:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CI70t06112; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm14.jersey.juno.com (wm14.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.234]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CI6Vt05940 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:06:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCktRXSg/8rJyr4T471GHeqgZuhTVK6Maow=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm14.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQYL482D; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:06:22 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] 12th Night in Chicago- Was: Yarn/Wool shop in Chicago? X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020112.130622.580.57745@wm14.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:06:20 GMT Status: RO It appears that there will be several of us from the list at 12th Night. This might be a great opportunity to get together for a chat or lunch or something. How will we recognize each other? The classic big, red 'H'? Karen ---------- Gorgeous Muiredach writes: From: Gorgeous Muiredach To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yarn/Wool shop in Chicago? Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:24:38 -0600 Parsla, I have no clue myself, but know someone who might, though I doubt she's on this list. I'll forward your mail to her and she might be able to help you. I'm in Chicago. :-) If you have some time, you might want to come by an SCA 12th night event on the Saturday. Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 12:46:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04197 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:46:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CIJHF11087; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:19:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIJ0t09114; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIIBt08924 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:18:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OvggUj/h66ISmzC33x815SA="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQYMSMLC; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:18:03 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Message-ID: <20020112.101631.-136903.7.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Subject: [h-cost] SCA-disabilities list Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:11:47 +0000 Status: RO Could someone kindly post the SCA disabilities list address again? I accidently deleted it. Thanks! Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 12:46:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04213 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:46:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CIJRF11128; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:19:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIJAt09194; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:19:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIIkt09074 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:18:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AB8A678300A4; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:08:10 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112122437.0454f840@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] 12th Night in Chicago- Was: Yarn/Wool shop in Chicago? In-Reply-To: <20020112.130622.580.57745@wm14.jersey.juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:27:40 -0600 Status: RO At 12:06 PM 1/12/2002, you wrote: >It appears that there will be several of us from the list at 12th Night. >This might be a great opportunity to get together for a chat or lunch or >something. How will we recognize each other? The classic big, red 'H'? Dunno about what the classic big red H is :-) I think I'll be fairly easy to spot... Probably the only guy in a manual wheelchair wearing a "kilt" with long hair The kilt only is not an identifier at an SCA event, though it is if I do disability rights events. The chair alone is not an identifier when I do disability rights events... Put all together, you can't miss me :-) Here's another help, picture of me: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/temp/wixpix.html Note that the page is meant for pictures o my Big Blak Dawg (tm), but there's one of me there. Wixie shan't be with me at 12th night, as our training together isn't far enough along yet :-( I invite anyone to come to me and chat :-) Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 12:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04217 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:46:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CIJNF11104; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:19:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIJ6t09147; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:19:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIIFt08951 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:18:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OvggUj/h66ISclJl+lvh6NM="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQYMSMB2; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:18:03 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... Message-ID: <20020112.101630.-136903.6.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-5,7-8,15-16,18-19,22-27 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:09:07 +0000 Status: RO > >-alternate method of fastening clothes that don't disrupt the > period look, yet allow one with arthritis to fasten the garments. Can you manage velcro tabs? You could embellish the tops of them to look like a period fastener, but they would be much easier to manage. If people can't deal with the fact you have to adjust your clothes for a disability, that's their tough luck! I've had rheumatoid arthritis for 19 years, and while I am not in your situation, and my garb is about three centuries earlier, I too have made adjustments. My skirts are a little longer in back then in front, falling to the tops of my feet in the front so they aren't a tripping hazard. All of my clothes are pull-over--cottes and sideless surcoats. I can toss my veil over my head and hold it in place with my Laurel circlet--no, I'm a music Laurel :) I haven't figured out shoes yet. I have really good modern walking shoes with velcro closures. I can appreciate your drive for authenticity--I seek it too in the arts I pursue--but independence is a huge, HUGE thing and being able to handle as much on your own as possible is something to be treasured. Good luck! :-) Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 13:02:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04416 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:02:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CIZHF12260; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:35:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIZ1t12999; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIYLt12839 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:34:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AF3124E000F0; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:23:45 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112123209.044a8e80@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] SCA-disabilities list In-Reply-To: <20020112.101631.-136903.7.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:43:25 -0600 Status: RO At 04:11 AM 1/12/2002, you wrote: >Could someone kindly post the SCA disabilities list address again? The one I take part in is a Yahoo Group, called SCA Disabilities. You would go to Yahoo, and follow instructions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA-Disabilities/ Hope to see you there soon Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 13:41:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04990 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:41:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CJEJF14464; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:14:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CJE1t21884; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm8.jersey.juno.com (wm8.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.228]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CJDot21819 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:13:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCktRXSg/8rJyEuvlZZhQ2SMWqNiNNyqkfA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm8.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQYQX833; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:13:32 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:Re:Re: [h-cost] 12th Night in Chicago- Was: Yarn/Wool shop in Chic ago? X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020112.141332.535.57320@wm8.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:13:27 GMT Status: RO The Big Red 'H', started as a way for list members to recognize each other at events we might attend. Generally it involves writing an 'H' on your name tag if there is one or wearing a piece of cloth or paper with a red 'H' on it pinned to your costume. Since you are going to be one of the more easily recognizable people there, are you volunteering to be a rendezvous point? (She says grinning evily) Karen ---------- Gorgeous Muiredach writes: From: Gorgeous Muiredach To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] 12th Night in Chicago- Was: Yarn/Wool shop in Chicago? Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:27:40 -0600 At 12:06 PM 1/12/2002, you wrote: >It appears that there will be several of us from the list at 12th Night. >This might be a great opportunity to get together for a chat or lunch or >something. How will we recognize each other? The classic big, red 'H'? Dunno about what the classic big red H is :-) I think I'll be fairly easy to spot... Probably the only guy in a manual wheelchair wearing a "kilt" with long hair The kilt only is not an identifier at an SCA event, though it is if I do disability rights events. The chair alone is not an identifier when I do disability rights events... Put all together, you can't miss me :-) Here's another help, picture of me: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/temp/wixpix.html Note that the page is meant for pictures o my Big Blak Dawg (tm), but there's one of me there. Wixie shan't be with me at 12th night, as our training together isn't far enough along yet :-( I invite anyone to come to me and chat :-) Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 14:05:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05326 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:05:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CJcIF16292; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:38:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CJc1t27430; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CJbSt27275 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:37:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id ADFC6F6F00F8; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:26:52 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112134109.044b33e8@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re:Re:Re: [h-cost] 12th Night in Chicago- Was: Yarn/Wool shop in Chic ago? In-Reply-To: <20020112.141332.535.57320@wm8.jersey.juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:43:19 -0600 Status: RO At 01:13 PM 1/12/2002, you wrote: >The Big Red 'H', started as a way for list members to recognize each other >at events we might attend. Generally it involves writing an 'H' on your >name tag if there is one or wearing a piece of cloth or paper with a red >'H' on it pinned to your costume. Since you are going to be one of the >more easily recognizable people there, are you volunteering to be a >rendezvous point? (She says grinning evily) Ahhh, makes sense... I don't particularly feel like wearing an H. Reminds me too much of the preparation of the same name If you don't mind a moving rendez-vous point, I don't mind :-) See you there then! Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 14:31:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05715 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:31:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CK4IF18337; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:04:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CK40t03842; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.math.TU-Berlin.DE (mail.math.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.12.212]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CK3jt03786 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:03:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from octopussy.math.TU-Berlin.DE (octopussy.math.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.13.37]) by mail.math.TU-Berlin.DE (8.12.0.Beta10/8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id g0CK3x7N026747; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:03:59 +0100 (MET) From: Barbara Maren Winkler Received: (from barbara@localhost) by octopussy.math.TU-Berlin.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27266; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:04:00 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200201122004.VAA27266@octopussy.math.TU-Berlin.DE> In-Reply-To: <200201121656.g0CGuMt19819@net.indra.com> from "h-costume-request@indra.com" at "Jan 12, 2002 9:56:22 am" To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: barbara@math.TU-Berlin.DE (Barbara Maren Winkler) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL44+ (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bierstein?? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:04:00 +0100 (MET) Status: RO Hi Kayta and Elisabeth, > Dear Kayta and everyone: > > The Saying Hopfen und Malz -Gott erhalts means: > > Hops and Malt - May God keep and preserve them. Yes, thanks for saying it! "erhalten" can mean both "to receive" and "to preserve", but here the intended meaning is "preserve". > It is an old saying used in Bavaria. How old? I am not sure. But Hops and > Malt are the ingredient for brewing beer. Actually, there is a the "deutsches Reinheitsgebot", "German purity law" which regulates that beer can only be made of four ingredients, hops, barley, malt, and water. It was in effect until a few years ago, meaning that anything made differently (for example containing preservatives) could not be sold on the German market as "beer". The European Union finally forced the German legislators to cancel this law, because it supposedly interfered with equal trading within the European Union. > Beer is also referred to as "liquid bread" at times. It's also made of grains, and it has quite a lot of calories (from the alcohol). > The type of Bierstein you are describing is a very traditional old style. Are you sure? To me, it sounds awfully tacky. From potters I know around here, I thought I knew that blue glazes on pottery only became known and popular from the end of the 19th century. Well, at least for common people. > Usually ones made for tourists were and are very colorful. But most Germans > do drink their beer out of a stein, mostly plainer than you describe, but > similar. I have lived in Germany all my life and often am together with friends who drink beer. Almost never have I seen anyone drink beer from such a stoneware pot. Beer is always served in glasses, everywhere. I have only seen it served in stoneware pots in historical breweries, for example in Kulmbach. Which is Bavaria. It could be a Bavarian tradition (that I don't know), but even in the beer gardens in Munich, capital of Bavaria, beer is usually served in glasses. Besides -- if it was German, it would be "Bierstein", one word, but I have never heard it. Such a thing -- a stoneware pot for drinking beer, maybe with a lid -- is called "Humpen", which my dictionary translates as "tankard". Most Germans, definitely, do not drink their beer from Humpen, most of the time. > That's one of the things that scares me about > the mold thing-she's an antique dealer, her house is full of antiques that > cannot be replaced in todays market at any price. All of the stuff in there > would have to be destroyed, as a good deal of it is wood. ... sorry, why would antiques of necessity have to be destroyed? Just because they are wooden? Couldn't keep quiet, Barbara Maren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 15:00:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06124 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:00:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CKXIF20516; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:33:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CKX0t10170; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CKWVt10055 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:32:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from kat.optonline.net (ool-18bbaa6a.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.170.106]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GPU007EJEEJCZ@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: Purple Kat Subject: Re: [h-cost] SCA-disabilities list In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112123209.044a8e80@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: purplkat@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020112153154.00dd4660@mail.optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20020112.101631.-136903.7.Cley@juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:33:02 -0500 Status: RO At 1/12/2002 01:43 PM, you wrote: >At 04:11 AM 1/12/2002, you wrote: >>Could someone kindly post the SCA disabilities list address again? > >The one I take part in is a Yahoo Group, called SCA Disabilities. >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA-Disabilities/ or medievaldisableds@yahoogroups.com Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 16:07:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07172 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:07:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CLeJF25196; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:40:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CLe1t23727; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CLdat23662 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:39:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.8d.1247817d (3925) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:39:43 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <8d.1247817d.2972071f@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]Bierstein/mold Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:39:43 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/1/02 2:07:20 PM, barbara@math.TU-Berlin.DE writes: << ... sorry, why would antiques of necessity have to be destroyed? Just because they are wooden? >> Anything that has toxic mold on it would have to be destroyed as the spores are inside of it. Wood is the easiest for it to attack due to the grain however cloth, books, papers, rugs (there goes the Persian), drapes, fabrics of any and all types, ceramics, photographs, bisques, porcelain, plastics, basically anything that it can get into or onto would have to be destroyed as there's no way to kill it and it can kill you. It also destroys things on it's own so it's not even a case of try to keep it down and go on. The materials (wood, paper plastic, fabric) that are in the house would eventually desentegrate. Metals seem to be the only thing safe from it. They bring a Haz Mat team in and dismantle and remove anything that tests positive for the mold. That may be your whole house or only a part of it. If only a part, it can be fixed if not... There was a family in the next town over that the team came in, dismantled the house, removed 6 feet of dirt from where the house once stood and THEN sprayed chemicals in the hole. They took the house bits out in the desert and burned it and sprayed the ashes. We're not talking something that a little Lysol or bleach will take care of, if only it were so. I'm still in shock over this whole thing so forgive me if I over answered a bit. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 17:46:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09089 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:46:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CNJJF02061; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:19:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CNJ0t16009; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0CNIQt15879 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:18:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 16999 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2002 23:18:40 -0000 Received: from prop.sonic.net (208.201.224.193) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2002 23:18:40 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d227.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.227]) by prop.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g0CNIdg05876 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:18:39 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C40C494.51AB3AA8@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] On-line sources for reproduction parasols Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:19:48 -0800 Status: RO Barrington Brolly http://www.barringtonbrolly.com/ Modern and reproduction parasols and umbrellas. Does custom work Buckaroo Bobbins General Store http://www.agoldmine.com/toc.html Two styles of lace parasols (as well as "Old West" theme clothing, patterns and sundries) Decorator's Box http://www.decoratorsbox.com/batlacpar.html Battenberg lace parasols Sara's Parasols http://www.sarasparasols.com/ Synthetic parasols displayed, but they will fulfil customer requests for different fabrics and trims Underbelly http://www.underbelly.net/parasolpage.html Seems to be exclusively custom work -- --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 18:05:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09371 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:05:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CNcIF03024; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:38:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CNc0t20124; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta05bw.bigpond.com (mta05bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.95]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CNbVt19976 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:37:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.72]) by mta05bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPUNAK00.2G8 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:44:44 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-73.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.73]) by bwmam02.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0h 11/344520); 13 Jan 2002 09:37:40 Message-ID: <3C41D58B.7090902@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: AndyCO. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question References: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> <3C3EF4BC.2690EBC@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:44:27 -0800 Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Kimberly Tribe wrote: > >> And if anyone has done such a wide necked gown, can you tell me if a >> drawstring at the neckline would actually work to keep the sleeves >> *on* the shoulders? That is what is suggested, but never having tried >> it myself, I wonder. > > > I have done several wide necked gowns, and a drawstring is not > necessary. If you make the straps at the proper angle to the rest of > the bodice, and if you make them snug enough, they will stay on unless > you have really slopey shoulders. The proper angle is something you > have to decide for yourself, but something less than 90 degrees (when > measured from the horizontal front neckline) is useful. I don't know > what Hunnisett's pattern looks like, but take a look at Janet Arnold's > Patterns of Fashion (1560-1620), page 9, which has her conjectured > pattern of the Phoenix gown. You'll see that the straps angle in > towards center front. The patterns in Juan de Alcega's Pattern Book > (from 1589) look the same (he was Arnold's source, in fact). Ack! I needed to know this a year ago! I have always wondered about that strap angle actually, because it has always seemed to me that the opposite is true - the strap angle should be greater than 90 degrees. I thought an angle less than 90 would give you a wrinkle by the armpit when it bent back to 90 degrees. I guess I was wrong. My Tudor gown has a wrinkle in that spot anyway. I need to seriously rework the whole armsceye/shoulder area on that gown. Oh well... (Oh and was it here people were talking about yardage - I made my Tudor gown out of 4.5m of fabric (not including linings etc) Not quite sure how I managed that, especially since it has a 50cm train. However it is an open-fronted skirt, wchich is gored to fit everywhere except the back pleats. And the sleeves are a bit scantier than I would have liked.) Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 18:46:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10088 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:46:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D0JSF05600; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:19:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D0J0t29148; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D0IPt29022 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:18:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPUOV500.76S for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:18:41 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: "Hcost" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Linen blend at Joann's Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:14:49 -0800 Status: RO I just got back from Joann's. Decent Linen/cotton blend black, white, and good colors for $4.99 a yard. The store nearest me had quite a bit in stock. Unfortunately, I couldn't indulge--today. Hopefully there will still be some when I can get back! :) Just passing the word. MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 19:02:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10351 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:02:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D0ZIF06468; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:35:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D0Z0t02542; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D0Ydt02476 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:34:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11726 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p44.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.172]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA05592 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:34:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201130034.TAA05592@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs In-Reply-To: <200201102138.NAA17752@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:30:18 -0500 Status: RO At 01:38 PM 01/10/2002 -0800, you wrote: >English clogs tend to look a little different. Picture a wooden sole >with a regular lace-up shoe upper nailed to the sole. Here, I finally >found a website with photos. > >http://subscriber.scoot.co.uk/walkley_clogs/ >http://subscriber.scoot.co.uk/walkley_clogs/page2.htm > >Walkey's are one of the largest clog manufacturers left. > >Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Cool, thanks! I see they've got slip-ons at the bottom of their catalog page. Anyone know how long they've had that form (the lace-up type)? Is that a Victorian form, or does it date earlier? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 19:07:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10416 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:07:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D0dJF06665; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:39:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D0d1t03293; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0D0cnt03206 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:38:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 5886 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2002 00:39:05 -0000 Received: from prop.sonic.net (208.201.224.193) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 00:39:05 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d227.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.227]) by prop.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g0D0d4g20022 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:39:04 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C40D76D.877655D0@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Web sites that sell fabrics suitable for costuming Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:40:13 -0800 Status: RO What's going on here is, I continually try to investigate every interesting link I see (on the web or in a print ad) related in some way to historic clothing. I browse the site. I stick the link at the end of my bookmarks file--not in one of the categories I so carefully set up--and forget about it. Weeks or months later, I have dozens of uncategorized links and I don't remember what the sites are like. When it gets too unmanageable, I have to go through all the links and browse the sites again so I can file them properly. That's what I'm doing now. I figured other people might as well benefit. These are all sites I've browsed since--I don't really want to contemplate how long it's been since I cleaned up my links. A while. I haven't bought anything from most of these sites, but they do, even at second glace, look worth filing for future reference. Fran BridalFabric.com http://www.bridalfabric.com Bridal fabrics, synthetic and natural, at discount prices. Also tiaras Decorator Fabrics http://www.decofab.com/decofab2.htm Discount drapery and upholstery fabrics Designer Discount Fabrics http://www.desigfab.com Does not really have their inventory on-line; you need to ask for swatches. Lovely picture of their "silk room" but no scans of individual silks Fabric Collections http://www.fabriccollections.com This site doesn't seem to be all the way up yet. They are offering a swatch service The Fabric Directory http://www.interiormall.com/cat/FabricsOnline.html Drapery and upholstery fabrics Fishman's Fabrics http://www.fishmansfabrics.com/ Classy apparel and decorating fabrics. They have pictures of their store, but if you want to see pictures of individual fabrics click on "Color Cards" HouseFabric.com http://www.housefabric.com/ Discount drapery and upholstery fabrics Trim Fabric http://www.TrimFabric.com/ Discount fabric store (including additional discounts for bolts). Includes a reasonable selection of solid-colored natural fibers VelvetFabric.com http://store.yahoo.com/velvet-fabric/ Not just velvets, but brocades, damasks, satins, and linens. They don't seem to have all the inventory up yet White Fox Trading Company http://www.whitefoxtrading.com Printed fabrics of the 18th and early 19th century, plus some notions and patterns --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 19:09:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10440 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:09:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D0gIF06978; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:42:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D0g0t03805; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D0fit03759 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:41:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12477 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p44.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.172]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA06002 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:41:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201130041.TAA06002@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Clogs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:37:24 -0500 Status: RO At 03:28 PM 01/10/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Ick. (I really have a personal thing about wooden shoes :) ) LOL! Sorry to hear that. I've got wooden-soled clogs and I think I like them for the noise they make ;) That, plus they really keep my feet dry if it's raining at the Wool and Sheep festival. >That being said, I'm not sure holdover is the right word, since wooden soled >shoes were worn even in this country until the early 20th century (and for >clog dancers, even more recently), but I'd say that these were real live >honest to goodness clogs. > >Marc Any wild-a** guesses as to date and likely origin? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 19:36:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10847 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:36:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D19JF08874; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:09:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D191t09238; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0D18nt09078 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:08:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 9304 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2002 01:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.238.150) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 01:09:06 -0000 Message-ID: <3C40DE79.F99FD96F@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question References: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> <3C3EF4BC.2690EBC@faucet.net> <3C41D58B.7090902@bigpond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:10:16 -0600 Status: RO Claire Clarke wrote: > > Ack! I needed to know this a year ago! Um..sorry... > I have always wondered about that strap angle actually, because it has > always seemed to me that > the opposite is true - the strap angle should be greater than 90 > degrees. I thought an angle > less than 90 would give you a wrinkle by the armpit when it bent back to > 90 degrees. Well, part of it is that, at least on Elizabethan, the horizontal front of the neckline is not quite horizontal, but instead is an arch. So you're not getting 90 degrees anyway. Perhaps this is obvious, but just in case: it may also transpire, in fitting, that because of the slope of the shoulder and the angle of the strap, the strap might have to curve to meet the back of the bodice at the proper location. Just flipping through my Holbein book, it looks like some of the Tudor necklines were arched as well, and many of them look to have a less-than-90-degree angle at the strap. Of course, there's the whole pin-on-placket issue, and I suppose you can make the top of it any shape you like. In addition, there's the possible-v-back issue (see Holbein's sketch of the Unknown Lady from 1535, front and back), which would make an acute angle necessary and help tremendously in keeping the straps up, especially considering the weight of Tudor sleeves. > I need to > seriously rework the > whole armsceye/shoulder area on that gown. If you're anywhere near the Milwaukee area, I would be happy to assist in any way I can with the fitting. I have Garb Workdays twice a month in the costume shop where I work. Good luck! 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Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 22:00:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12989 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:00:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D3XJF18046; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:33:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D3X0t07016; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D3WXt06912 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:32:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (PPP-66-121-20-78.frys.com [66.121.20.78]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0D3V4r21611 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:31:04 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020112133126.00bbb100@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20020112133126.00bbb100@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bier Stein Deutsch, bitte? In-Reply-To: <18e.1b271b0.2971c436@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:32:42 -0800 Status: RO That's one of the things that scares me about >the mold thing-she's an antique dealer, her house is full of antiques that >cannot be replaced in todays market at any price. All of the stuff in there >would have to be destroyed, as a good deal of it is wood. Please explain? How does the fact that my stein was made using a mold mean anything would have to be destroyed? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 22:01:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13019 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:01:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D3YmF18183; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:34:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D3YUt07266; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:34:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D3WZt06926 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:32:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (PPP-66-121-20-78.frys.com [66.121.20.78]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0D3V6r21614 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:31:06 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020112133415.00bb9260@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20020112133415.00bb9260@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bierstein?? In-Reply-To: <200201122004.VAA27266@octopussy.math.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <200201121656.g0CGuMt19819@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:22:42 -0800 Status: RO >> Usually ones made for tourists were and are very colorful. But most Germans >> do drink their beer out of a stein, mostly plainer than you describe, but >> similar. I see badly made coloured ones, and they make even the good coloured ones look touristy. The good coloured ones are too expensive to risk using, and are usually too big anyway. Surviving 1500's-1600's examples I have seen sometimes have hinged lids, scratched or raised designs, or that same grey clay body. I've also seen salt-glazed examples in a dull iron-oxide-yellow. >I have only seen it served in stoneware pots >in historical breweries, for example in Kulmbach. I see these in thrift stores in California, plain but with the brewer's logo on them in blue. >Besides -- if it was German, it would be "Bierstein", one word, >but I have never heard it. Such a thing -- a stoneware pot for >drinking beer, maybe with a lid -- is called "Humpen", which my >dictionary translates as "tankard". Most Germans, definitely, >do not drink their beer from Humpen, most of the time. The popular American image of a German includes one of these Humpen, so my Ren. Faire character has one. And if my German were better, I might have said Bierstein - hey, I remembered to capitalize the nouns, and got 'i' and 'e' in the right places. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 22:03:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13044 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:03:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D3aDF18255; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:36:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D3Zst07588; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:35:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D3Wct06936 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:32:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (PPP-66-121-20-78.frys.com [66.121.20.78]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0D3V8r21617 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:31:09 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020112142610.00bb8100@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20020112142610.00bb8100@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... In-Reply-To: <20020112.101630.-136903.6.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:40:10 -0800 Status: RO >If people can't deal with the fact you have to adjust your clothes for a >disability, that's their tough luck! My guess is that your level of independence, at your level of disability, isn't 'period' either, speaking of other people's tough luck. My chair-bound housemate would have died from 1500's medical science. And if, by some series of miracles, he had lived, he certainly wouldn't have had his cool chair, his van, etc. Makes me glad I live in this century and only visit the other ones. As for shoes, I'd recommend plain black, or some other dark colour which will sort of disappear under your skirt hem. Try to find a period-looking toe shape, if this is possible. I'm a real stickler about authenticity, but I don't spend much time in my authentic-looking shoes, preferring more padding than they had underfoot. So either I tough it out in my authentic-looking ones, or I opt for comfort and padding (modern gel insoles - YES!). I'd like to say a thing in defense of us authenticity sticklers. It is our passion to do things as accurately as we can, for our own sake, and to pass on our knowledge. The wise among us do this by teaching, by answering questions, and by helping those who have asked for it. The rude ones confront people with their little inaccuracies, which is not a period thing to do in the first place, and doing it doesn't make anything better anyway. But on this list we're here to help, to answer your questions, to point out resources, and to learn things too. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 22:47:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13627 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:47:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D4KKF20501; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:20:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D4K1t15383; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D4Jft15323 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:19:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.172.2061ae4 (3948) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:19:51 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <172.2061ae4.297264e6@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bier Stein Deutsch, bitte? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:19:50 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/1/02 9:35:04 PM, kayta@frys.com writes: << Please explain? How does the fact that my stein was made using a mold mean anything would have to be destroyed? >> Sorry Katya, I've (ewww) got mold on the brain right now. My mother's house has toxic mold, we have people coming out next week to let us know how much of it must be destroyed. NOT your mug, her house. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 23:39:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14343 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:39:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D5CKF23916; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:12:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D5C0t25504; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0D5Bet25451 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:11:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 98349 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jan 2002 05:11:36 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-64.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.64) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 05:11:36 -0000 Message-ID: <005601c19be8$4ed6c320$5e5efea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Photos of two original "Titanic" costumes now up on my site! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:10:58 -0500 Status: RO The collectors who bought the original "jump" dress and Rose's pink coat (worn during the sinking scenes) contacted me a couple of weeks ago, and we have been chatting back and forth ever since. They graciously agreed to share some photographs of the outfits with me and have allowed me to place them on my site for others to drool over. I've also written up all of the excruciating details of the "jump" dress's construction (including what it is made out of it, how it is lined and fastened, etc.). I got all of this info from e-mails and a two-hour phone conversation today. Mysteries revealed at last! Go to http://www.sensibility.com/titanic/realphotos.htm to enjoy! The collectors who bought these costumes do have plans to get them professionally photographed on display mannequins and publish those pictures in a full-color booklet (HALLELUJAH!). Until then, I am able to share eight photographs they took themselves. Have fun! Jennie Chancey - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 00:08:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14720 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:08:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D5fKF25600; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:41:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D5f0t01532; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D5eZt01439 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:40:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OpKShkhD3GJ5H5oplUyEeFM="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQZUT9ZN; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:40:31 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... Message-ID: <20020112.213912.-136903.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-6,8-9,11,13-15,17-20,22,24,26-29,32-34,36-38,40-41,43,45-47,50-52 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:39:00 +0000 Status: RO Kayta writes: > My guess is that your level of independence, at your level of > disability, isn't 'period' either, speaking of other people's tough luck. My > chair-bound housemate would have died from 1500's medical science. In all likelihood, i would have also, within the first two years of diagnosis. Been very, very lucky. > And if, by some series of miracles, he had lived, he certainly wouldn't have > had his cool chair, his van, etc. Makes me glad I live in this century > and only visit the other ones. Ditto! For me, it's good drugs, physical therapy, and lots of understanding and physical and emotional support. :-) > > As for shoes, I'd recommend plain black, or some other dark colour > which will sort of disappear under your skirt hem. Try to find a > period-looking toe shape, if this is possible. I'm a real stickler about > authenticity, but I don't spend much time in my authentic-looking shoes, > preferring more padding than they had underfoot. So either I tough it out in my > authentic-looking ones, or I opt for comfort and padding (modern gel > insoles - YES!). Mine are black New Balance walking shoes. Before when I could wear the Chinese-type slippers I always put two pairs of insoles in each shoe. Lifesavers. > I'd like to say a thing in defense of us authenticity sticklers. It is our > passion to do things as accurately as we can, for our own sake, and > to pass on our knowledge. The wise among us do this by teaching, by > answering questions, and by helping those who have asked for it. The rude > ones confront people with their little inaccuracies, which is not a > period thing to do in the first place, and doing it doesn't make anything better > anyway. But on this list we're here to help, to answer your questions, to > point out resources, and to learn things too. I so agree. Been on this list for almost two years now and have bumped into many knowledgable and helpful people. I may not costume for myself anymore, but I have learned a lot! Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 00:31:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15067 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:31:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D64KF26734; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:04:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D640t05476; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D63ct05385 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:03:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.55.20d6c3d9 (3310) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:03:45 -0500 (EST) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <55.20d6c3d9.29727d41@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bierstein?? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_55.20d6c3d9.29727d41_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10555 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:03:45 EST Status: RO --part1_55.20d6c3d9.29727d41_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Barbara: I totally agree. Germans do not usually refer to a Bierstein as such. In Bavaria, where I grew up, yes people in their homes quite often used a Humpen to drink their Bier out off. My father and mother had a set, His was large Hers was small, the same design. My brother has several porcelain ones with pewter lids. Yes, in restaurants they usually serve the Bier in glasses. Glasses are much cheaper than Humpen. But in old "Dorfkneipen" (Village restaurants, for the lack of a better translation) and in breweries they generally use Humpen or Bierkruege (Another word for it, much more modern however) In the restaurants the Bierkruege are reserved for the regulars! Hope this clarifies. Elisabeth --part1_55.20d6c3d9.29727d41_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Barbara:
I totally agree.  Germans do not usually refer to a Bierstein as such.  In Bavaria, where I grew up, yes people in their homes quite often used a Humpen to drink their Bier out off.  My father and mother had a set, His was large Hers was small, the same design.  My brother has several porcelain ones with pewter lids.  Yes, in restaurants they usually serve the Bier in glasses.  Glasses are much cheaper than Humpen.  But in old "Dorfkneipen" (Village restaurants, for the lack of a better translation) and in breweries they generally use Humpen or Bierkruege (Another word for it, much more modern however) In the restaurants the Bierkruege are reserved for the regulars!
Hope this clarifies.
Elisabeth --part1_55.20d6c3d9.29727d41_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 02:06:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16349 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:06:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D7dLF01547; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:39:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D7d1t22397; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D7cMt22301 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:38:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.102]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020113073840.FNYB658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:38:40 -0600 Message-ID: <3C41393F.7020606@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Clogs References: <200201130041.TAA06002@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:37:35 -0600 Status: RO I had a pair when I was a kid, wore those things till my heels were hanging out the back. My mother finally threw them away, and I had a hissy fit. *L* Katie Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > > LOL! Sorry to hear that. I've got wooden-soled clogs and I think I like > them for the noise they make ;) That, plus they really keep my feet dry if > it's raining at the Wool and Sheep festival. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 03:37:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA17582 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:37:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D9AMF05558; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:10:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D9A1t06566; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D99Tt06485 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:09:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (PPP-66-121-20-117.frys.com [66.121.20.117]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0D97or24366 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:07:51 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020112194155.00bbbb10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <8d.1247817d.2972071f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]Bierstein/mold Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:58:24 -0800 Status: RO I see the misunderstanding - I'm American, not English, and I think my spelling confused you. My tankard isn't moldy, as in it has no mold growing in it. My tankard was created using a 4+piece mold, into which slip (pourable clay mud) was poured and allowed to dry. I can see the little lines where the pieces of the mold came together imperfectly. >In a message dated 12/1/02 2:07:20 PM, barbara@math.TU-Berlin.DE writes: ><< ... sorry, why would antiques of necessity have to be destroyed? Just >because they are wooden? >> >Anything that has toxic mold on it would have to be destroyed as the spores >are inside of it. Wood is the easiest for it to attack due to the grain >however cloth, books, papers, rugs (there goes the Persian), drapes, fabrics >of any and all types, ceramics, photographs, bisques, porcelain, plastics, >basically anything that it can get into or onto would have to be destroyed as >there's no way to kill it and it can kill you. It also destroys things on >it's own so it's not even a case of try to keep it down and go on. The >materials (wood, paper plastic, fabric) that are in the house would >eventually desentegrate. Metals seem to be the only thing safe from it. They >bring a Haz Mat team in and dismantle and remove anything that tests positive >for the mold. That may be your whole house or only a part of it. If only a >part, it can be fixed if not... There was a family in the next town over that >the team came in, dismantled the house, removed 6 feet of dirt from where the >house once stood and THEN sprayed chemicals in the hole. They took the house >bits out in the desert and burned it and sprayed the ashes. We're not talking >something that a little Lysol or bleach will take care of, if only it were >so. I'm still in shock over this whole thing so forgive me if I over answered >a bit. >Lady G >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 04:27:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA18610 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:27:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DA0LF07217; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:00:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DA01t13584; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D9x8t13455 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:59:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-21-2.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.21.2]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACR12807; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:59:23 GMT Message-ID: <00d801c19c19$87dce240$02154ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Cc: "Office" References: <200201130034.TAA05592@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:57:29 -0000 Status: RO >Anyone know how long they've had that form (the lace-up type)? Is that a Victorian form, or does it date earlier? There is a paphlet on English clogs by I think Swann I have a copy somewhere Walkleys are pretty good but I recently found a page with a list of traditional cloggers in the UK some of which make their own soles (rather than machine them ) It is a work I think so I'll try & post it on Monday They are more likely to do historical clog types. I wear walkleysand they are pretty good Personally I love clogs Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 04:37:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA18742 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:37:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DAAMF07491; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:10:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DAA1t15060; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DA9rt15033 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:09:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-21-2.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.21.2]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACR12949; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:10:10 GMT Message-ID: <015901c19c1b$0928bf80$02154ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <200201130034.TAA05592@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:14:06 -0000 Status: RO Try http://uk.geocities.com/cobblersawl/index.htm Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 04:43:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA18831 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:43:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DAGLF07730; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:16:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DAG1t07420; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DAFHt05454 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:15:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-21-2.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.21.2]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACR13031; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:15:32 GMT Message-ID: <015c01c19c1b$c94b7460$02154ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <200201130034.TAA05592@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:17:49 -0000 Status: RO http://www.morrisdancing.org/clogs.html More clogmakers Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 08:56:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00710 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:56:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DETkF15290; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:29:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DET0t07769; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DESst07745 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:28:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16PldJ-0001Uj-0C for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:29:13 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-Reply-To: <011301c19abb$d0b88500$f09901d4@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:07:04 +0000 Status: RO Drinking tea without milk is, I believe, some strange colonial custom. JEan Melanie Wilson wrote >>PGTips made using teabags >and the same spoon for stirring the tea and fishing out the teabag >as you used to get the granulated sugar from the bag > >UGH > >You''l be telling me next you don't warm the mug first & put milk in your >tea > >Lady Power (aka Mel) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 08:59:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00966 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:59:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DEWnF15441; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:32:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DEWSt08332; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:32:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DESst07744 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:28:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16PldJ-0001Ul-0C for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:29:13 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:04:56 +0000 Status: RO Drat! If I hadn't revealed my ignorance, I could have made out like I was more couth than Teddy. But, ah, too late! Jean Teddy wrote > >> Well does it mean anything to you? I honestly don't know what a tea >> sandwich is - as opposed to any other sort of sandwich, I mean. > >I assumed it was the "genteel" sort of sandwiches you'd have with >tea from loose-leaf tea in a teapot and china cups with matching >saucers, cube-sugar in a bowl with silver tongs to pick it out etc, >rather than the huge chunky doorsteps of bread and filling wot >people like me has with big mugs of PGTips made using teabags >and the same spoon for stirring the tea and fishing out the teabag >as you used to get the granulated sugar from the bag > >Teddy >(Uncouth? Me? Abso-bloody-lutely!) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 10:00:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08460 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:00:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DFXMF18674; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:33:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DFX0t23993; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DFWKt23852 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:32:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.191]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020113153239.NCVN16766.fepD.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:32:39 +0100 Message-ID: <3C41A8A4.1010407@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of two original "Titanic" costumes now up on my site! References: <005601c19be8$4ed6c320$5e5efea9@jchancey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:32:52 +0100 Status: RO Hi Jennie Thanks for those pics. The sinking coat or dress ? Is that embroidery on the collar and cuffs made with chain stitches? Just curious. Bjarne Jennie Chancey wrote: >The collectors who bought the original "jump" dress and Rose's pink coat >(worn during the sinking scenes) contacted me a couple of weeks ago, and we >have been chatting back and forth ever since. They graciously agreed to >share some photographs of the outfits with me and have allowed me to place >them on my site for others to drool over. I've also written up all of the >excruciating details of the "jump" dress's construction (including what it >is made out of it, how it is lined and fastened, etc.). I got all of this >info from e-mails and a two-hour phone conversation today. Mysteries >revealed at last! Go to http://www.sensibility.com/titanic/realphotos.htm to >enjoy! > >The collectors who bought these costumes do have plans to get them >professionally photographed on display mannequins and publish those pictures >in a full-color booklet (HALLELUJAH!). Until then, I am able to share eight >photographs they took themselves. > >Have fun! > >Jennie Chancey > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns >http://www.sensibility.com >winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 10:22:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10514 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:22:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DFtMF19547; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:55:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DFt1t29316; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DFsVt29215 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:54:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AB4170CF00F8; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:44:01 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113095737.01a502e8@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020112142610.00bb8100@mail.frys.com> References: <20020112.101630.-136903.6.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:03:58 -0600 Status: RO At 09:40 PM 1/12/2002, you wrote: > >If people can't deal with the fact you have to adjust your clothes for a > >disability, that's their tough luck! > >My guess is that your level of independence, at your level of disability, >isn't 'period' either, speaking of other people's tough luck. BING! Right on the nail's head :-) 50 years ago, the average length of life after a spinal cord injury was about 5 years... I'd be dead... > My chair-bound housemate Dunno about your housemate, but "chair-bound" is really not a term I like. I'm not tied to my chair. If I was, I'd hope it would be because of a kinky thingy :-) The word promotes the image of "being stuck". Where as, in fact, the chair is really a liberator. *Without* the chair, I'd be stuck. Just a little bit of workding that changes the general way someone views folks with disabilities... :-) YMMV >I'd like to say a thing in defense of us authenticity sticklers. I have nothing against the authenticity sticklers. It's the period nazis I have a problem with :-) Big difference :-) >The wise among us do this by teaching, by answering >questions, and by helping those who have asked for it. Best way to do it. But... I'm in trouble... I "asked for it"!!! >But on this list we're here to help, to answer your questions, to point >out resources, and to learn things too. I'd have been surprised to find rudeness on this list. That is, accross the board. There's always one or two elements of every list yanno? :-) Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 10:27:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10986 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:27:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DG0MF19890; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:00:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DG00t00480; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:00:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DFxWt00388 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:59:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC6E19B30132; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:49:02 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113100529.044c26d8@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Clogs In-Reply-To: <200201130041.TAA06002@saltmine.radix.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:06:10 -0600 Status: RO At 06:37 PM 1/12/2002, you wrote: >At 03:28 PM 01/10/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >Ick. (I really have a personal thing about wooden shoes :) ) > >LOL! Sorry to hear that. I've got wooden-soled clogs and I think I like >them for the noise they make I used to wear clogs in the kitchens. A life saver when you have to stand in nearly the same spot for up to 15, 16 hours in a day. Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 11:27:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16785 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:27:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DH0TF23789; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:00:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DH02t11711; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DGxZt11630 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:59:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA7E263200F0; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:49:02 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113110452.01a52d20@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] Web sites that sell fabrics suitable for costuming In-Reply-To: <3C40D76D.877655D0@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:06:52 -0600 Status: RO I'm not too entirely sure of the appropriateness of these fabric, but I've been toying with the idea of buying from them for a while now. http://www.pickhemp.com/ Their hemp/silk mixes are particularly attractive I thought. Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 11:39:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17703 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:39:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DHCNF24712; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:12:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DHC1t14576; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01e.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.235]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0DHBit14400 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:11:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 9228 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2002 17:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.194.102]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Jan 2002 17:11:59 -0000 Message-ID: <009201c19c55$882a20a0$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113110452.01a52d20@mail.bmee.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Web sites that sell fabrics suitable for costuming MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:12:50 -0500 Status: RO Do you have any idea of what their prices are, or how they compare to what Dharma carries? Rowena ni Dhonnchaidh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gorgeous Muiredach" Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Web sites that sell fabrics suitable for costuming > I'm not too entirely sure of the appropriateness of these fabric, but I've > been toying with the idea of buying from them for a while now. > http://www.pickhemp.com/ > > Their hemp/silk mixes are particularly attractive I thought. > > Gorgeous Muiredach > Rokkehealden Shire > Middle Kingdom > aka > Nicolas Steenhout _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 11:54:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18160 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:54:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DHNZF25628; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:23:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DHNCt19715; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:23:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DHMft19312 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:22:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust110.tnt1.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.229.108.110] helo=hppav) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16PoLV-0007UV-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:23:01 -0500 Message-ID: <00d601c19c56$f3cb6c00$9c7ae541@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Photos of two original "Titanic" costumes now up on my site! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:23:00 -0600 Status: RO Jennie, is there a pattern available for the coat, or is it a basic "princess" as it appears in the watercolor. Thanks, Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 11:55:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18175 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:55:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DHNNF25610; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:23:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DHN1t19550; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DHMBt18934 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:22:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AFCB37A30112; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:11:39 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113112724.0449c7a0@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] Web sites that sell fabrics suitable for costuming In-Reply-To: <009201c19c55$882a20a0$01fea8c0@vaio> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113110452.01a52d20@mail.bmee.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0DHMBt18934 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:28:14 -0600 Status: RO At 11:12 AM 1/13/2002, you wrote: >Do you have any idea of what their prices are, or how they compare to what >Dharma carries? Don't know Dharma, but here's their price list for 2001. 2001 PRICE LIST Fabric Description & WeightPrice > 100 yds. Price < 100 yds. 100% hemp canvas - 11oz, 12oz$8.50$9.00 100% hemp canvas - 14oz$9.00$9.50 100% hemp basketweave -12.5oz$11.00$11.50 100% hemp herringbone -12.5 oz, 15 oz$11.00$11.50 100% hemp summer cloth -8oz$6.25$6.75 100% hemp denim twill -12.5oz$9.25$9.75 100% hemp yarn-dyed denim twill - 13 oz$9.75$10.25 100% hemp linen - 5.8oz$6.75$7.25 100% hemp muslin - 59” width - 5oz$6.75$7.25 60% hemp / 40% silk blend - 2.6oz, 3.7oz$7.25-7.75$7.75-8.25 65% hemp / 35% silk charmeuse - 5.2oz, 58”$9.25$9.75 85% hemp / 15% silk jacquard - 4.7oz, 58”$7.95$8.45 55% hemp / 45 cotton diamond patn - 9oz, 59” $5.75$6.25 55% hemp / 45% cotton denim - 10oz$5.25$5.75 55% hemp / 45% cotton corduroy - 10.5oz, 44”$4.95$5.45 55% hemp / 45% cotton muslin - 4.9, 5.7, 7.2oz$4.25$4.75 55% hemp / 45% tencel blend 3.5oz, 59”$6.25$6.75 55% hemp / 45% rayon calico - 4oz , 58”$5.75$6.25 55% hemp / 45% rayon blend 5 oz, 58”$6.25$6.75 100% hemp webbing, 1”,1¼”,1½”, 2” (straps)$1.40-2.15$1.65-2.40 55% hemp / 45% cot. Fleece - 10.5oz, 27” loop$5.75$6.25 55% hemp / 45% cotton jersey - 8oz, 27” loop$3.65$4.15 55% hemp / 45% cotton terry towel, 11oz, 60” $7.95$8.45 55% hemp/45% cotton meshcloth (20-24”loop)$3.00$3.50 55% hemp / 45% cotton ribbing (13”)$2.10$2.60 55% hemp / 45% cotton socks - S/M/L$2.50/pair All fabrics are in stock in San Francisco ready to ship. A 10 yard minimum quantity is required per fabric. Please inquire for discounts on large quantities over 300 yards. All the fabrics are quite wide: except for the hemp/cotton corduroy which is 44” wide, all others range from 56" to 60" as indicated on the sample swatches. All prices are FOB San Francisco (customer pays freight). There is a $6.00 cutting and handling fee on each order. Thank you for your interest and please feel free to contact us if you have any questions. > > I'm not too entirely sure of the appropriateness of these fabric, but I've > > been toying with the idea of buying from them for a while now. > > http://www.pickhemp.com/ > > > > Their hemp/silk mixes are particularly attractive I thought. Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 13:27:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19702 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:27:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DJ0mF02597; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:00:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DJ0Pt14942; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:00:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.99main.com (mail.99main.com [208.28.184.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DIxot14574 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:59:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from 99main.com (max2-85.99main.com [208.28.186.85]) by mail.99main.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/000116) with ESMTP id OAB06364 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:00:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C41D935.CD1636F6@99main.com> From: marilyn traber X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD EBM-Compaq (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111225437.02adfe38@mail.bmee.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:00:05 -0500 Status: RO Fancy meeting you here - straying from the Cooks List? margali -- ~~~~~ The Quote Starts Here: > Gorgeous Muiredach > Rokkehealden Shire > Middle Kingdom _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 15:23:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21578 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:23:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DKuPF10935; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:56:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DKu2t08794; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DKt5t08614 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:55:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.130] (pm4-130.eos.net [205.133.149.130]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05955 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:51:25 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201130336.g0D3a4t07653@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re:mold Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:49:22 -0500 Status: RO Lady G: I think everyone is confused because you started writing about mold as if we all knew what you were talking about. Perhaps you wrote about the mold problem in a private post? Why does your mother think she has toxic mold in her house? Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 16:30:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22559 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:30:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DM3PF15354; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:03:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DM31t27330; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f165.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DM26t27026 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:02:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:02:22 -0800 Received: from 129.127.41.28 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:02:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.127.41.28] From: "Massaria dC" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]OT mold Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2002 22:02:22.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA0BB1C0:01C19C7D] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:02:22 +0000 Status: RO delurking here: Speaking of Toxic mold we saw a documentary last night about it! Well it was a form of toxic mold, I have no idea if it is the same one. This one was called "Ergots" (sp?) and is the thing that gets into wheat, then bread and causes people to have convulsions and skin crawls and stuff (it is the same thing that LSD is extracted from) It is very nasty stuff. There was a theory that it was responsible for the witch trails in Salem, as there was a town in France in the 1920's which was infected with it and all the people went nuts in a similar fashion to that recorded in Salem. Sorry Lady G hope your antiques don't have to be destroyed :-( Massaria _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 16:53:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22966 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:53:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DMQOF16955; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:26:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DMQ1t02615; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DMPkt02542 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:25:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.a5.210b9e53 (30951) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:25:59 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]OT mold To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:25:58 EST Status: RO Massaria, Yes, it's ergot but that gets (mostly) on rye rather than wheat, both the grain and bread and it's not killed by heat/light. The mold in this case causes-hallucinations, respiratory failure, memory loss, skin eruptions, convulsions and other nasties including death. There's nothing currently on the market that will kill it or even eradicate it for any length of time. Thus the only thing TO do is either remove all contaminated items and destroy them or if the infestation is too far involved for it to be "fixable"-destroy the entire house and contents. That's what we fear the most. Destruction of all our tangible memories and other things that cannot be replaced at any cost. I mean how can money replace the chair that my umpteen great grandfather hand made (and rubbed a jillion coats of beeswax into) all those years ago, photographs of my great grandparents on their wedding day, the quilt my grandmother made for me while my mother was preggers with me and dozens of other like items. We're all in shock. Thank you for you concern, it is greatly appreciated. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 17:45:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23713 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:45:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DNIQF21798; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:18:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DNI1t15584; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f231.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.231]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DNHlt15505 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:17:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:18:04 -0800 Received: from 164.58.10.125 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:18:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.58.10.125] From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2002 23:18:04.0712 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D88C280:01C19C88] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:18:04 -0600 Status: RO >>>Ick. (I really have a personal thing about wooden shoes :) ) >>LOL! Sorry to hear that. I've got wooden-soled clogs and I think I >like them for the noise they make I seam to have missed the original response, so if there was more to it than this, please let me know. As for people liking them or not, it's a personal thing. There's nothing wrong with them, or people liking them. However, after spending some serious time around a number of communes in the 60s, there's just something about them that reminds me of the less 'fun' aspects of chosing to live a 'primitive' lifestyle with insufficient research. Personally they make my feet hurt (and their more form fitted descendents, the birkenstocks are even worse (for me). OTOH, I know that other people -do- like them, and they helped keep bazillions of people's feet dry and safe before the Wellington. I even brought home a set of Walkeley's clogs for my wife when I was in that part of Lancashire researching an article on a different clog museum a couple of years ago (A by appointment or invitation only place in Bacup that it seems that no one else has ever heard of). I don't recall at this point where I heard the story, but there was a thing about someone who was growing up in the area, and growing up hearing the sounds of all the hundreds of factory girls clogs on the cobblestones as they headed up to work in the morning. Marc _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 19:03:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24884 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:03:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E0aQF27935; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:36:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E0a1t06342; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0E0ZWt06194 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:35:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 47645 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jan 2002 00:35:30 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-48.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.48) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 00:35:30 -0000 Message-ID: <005901c19c8a$ceadc880$5e5efea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: <00d601c19c56$f3cb6c00$9c7ae541@hppav> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern for Rose's Coat (was Photos of two original "Titanic" costumes now up on my site!) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:34:11 -0500 Status: RO There is no pattern that I am aware of for the pink coat, but it is princess-seamed, as shown in the Peterman illustration. Really a very simple coat! Cheers, Jennie - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 19:39:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25396 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:39:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E1CTF01108; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:12:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E1C0t15044; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0E1BHt14885 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:11:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 73716 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jan 2002 01:11:16 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-48.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.48) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 01:11:16 -0000 Message-ID: <006b01c19c8f$cbec4540$5e5efea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: <005601c19be8$4ed6c320$5e5efea9@jchancey> <3C41A8A4.1010407@post12.tele.dk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of two original "Titanic" costumes now up on my site! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:09:54 -0500 Status: RO Bjarne wrote: "Thanks for those pics. The sinking coat or dress ? Is that embroidery on the collar and cuffs made with chain stitches? Just curious." Unfortunately, the owner was not familiar enough with stitching types to tell me how the embroidery was done. All she knew was that it was of very narrow silk floss. I may have further opportunities in the future to study the outfits, and, if that happens, I will let you know! Cheers, Jennie - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 20:05:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25779 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:05:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E1ckF03153; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:38:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E1cNt21286; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:38:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g092D4304267 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:13:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from wernto (we-24-126-237-13.we.mediaone.net [24.126.237.13]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g092Bfp01833 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:11:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004201c198b3$2a2c0360$0ded7e18@wernto> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsets/stays (was Re: wheelchair historicals) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:12:53 -0800 Status: RO From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" > I got a copy of "Support and Seduction: A History of Corsets and Bras" by > Beatrice Fontanel. Here's my review: Don't bother. It's got a lot of Thanks for the review, Mara! Speaking of which, has anyone read Valerie Steele's new book "The Corset: A Cultural History"? - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 20:05:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25783 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:05:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E1csF03167; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:38:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E1cUt21319; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:38:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3bht25691 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:37:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.1e.215ea275 (18708); Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:37:44 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.215ea275.29710988@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] OT-mold... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:37:44 EST Status: RO Will all and sundry please keep happy thoughts coming our way? My mother's just found out that her house has black mold in it and, while she knows her options, she's not quite decided what she's going to do about it. Selling the house and moving is pretty high on her list of options. This due to the past years expenses incurred (reattaching the roof, water damage to most of the ceilings, new septic pump amongst others) and her getting a bit tired of it being Mr. Blanding's Dream House. The happy thoughts are that it's just plain mold and can be gotten rid of rather than TOXIC mold that will cause the house to be "gotten rid of" or "incinerated under controlled conditions". That last thought's a scary one. It's a lovely house and holds many happy memories. Selfish me-I was also looking forward to having many years of future happy memories in it as it's my inheritance from my mother. Wish us nothing but good luck and keep your fingers toes and eyes crossed for us. Many thanks, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 20:05:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25787 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:05:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E1d1F03189; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E1cct21353; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:38:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from dci.doncaster.on.ca (dci.doncaster.on.ca [216.187.106.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D9tIt12922 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:55:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from tanqueray.infotrope.net (ip100.ott.dsl.istop.com [216.187.106.100]) by dci.doncaster.on.ca (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0D9tbdl006365 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:55:37 -0500 Received: from skud by tanqueray.infotrope.net with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16PhMW-0001SP-00 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:55:37 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020111215444.00aed9e0@mail.frys.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111225437.02adfe38@mail.bmee.net> <4.1.20020111215444.00aed9e0@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:55:36 -0500 Status: RO Kayta wrote: > > If the fasteners don't show, who's to know if they're period or not? > (Someone in a Victorian costume workshop asked the instructor what if > someone noticed his trousers fly zipped instead of buttoning, and the > instructor said "If they're that close, they're not interested in > authenticity".) Oh, I beg to differ! If I'm that close, I'd hate to be disappointed by finding inauthentic fastenings. It'd just totally ruin the mood ;) K. -- Lady Katherine Rowberd (mka Kirrily "Skud" Robert) katherine@infotrope.net http://infotrope.net/sca/ Caldrithig, Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere "The rose is red, the leaves are grene, God save Elizabeth our Queene" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 20:06:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25791 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:06:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E1dAF03237; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:39:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E1clt21423; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:38:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from copacabana.rio.com (root@copacabana.rio.com [66.178.128.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DLFFt13603 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.137.122.47] (ppp301.t0.rio.com [208.137.122.47]) by copacabana.rio.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0DLFSL11821 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:15:31 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's Elizabethan From: Gary Walker To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004201c19a24$d65b6aa0$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:12:53 -0800 Status: RO on 1/10/02 2:19 PM, Rebecca Schmitt at lotsofteapots@charter.net wrote: >> Here are some pics of my husband in his middle class Elizabethan clothes. >> http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/dcp_0039a.jpg >> http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/p0001257.jpg >> http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/dcp_0079.jpg >> http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/p0000887.jpg >> Andrea Yes, he looks a fine up-standing fellow... but what can you tell me about the half-timbered cottage in the background of 1257, please!!! Are the walls and roof fabric, or ??? Is it a merchant booth or a really decadent tent on a trailer frame, or ??? thanks, Chimene/Patsy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 20:06:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25796 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:06:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E1dHF03280; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:39:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E1cst21470; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:38:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from copacabana.rio.com (copacabana.rio.com [66.178.128.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DLFSt13711 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:15:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.137.122.47] (ppp301.t0.rio.com [208.137.122.47]) by copacabana.rio.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0DLFaL11830 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:15:37 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1510 Mens Florentine From: Gary Walker To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020110004239.37147.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:12:53 -0800 Status: RO on 1/9/02 4:42 PM, Sheila at turrel@yahoo.com wrote: > Does anyone have a reference of what the bottom-half > of this outfit might have looked like? > > http://www.getty.edu/art/collections/objects/oz792.html > > Sheila Since it appears no one else has responded... A quick look through Boucher and Davenport (even Yarwood & Norris--they go fast, 8-) turns up only the two young men at the front left of figure 1310 (p.493 in my one-volume ed.) They are the right period and nationality. I'm assuming that the overgarment they have open at the neck and turned back to form a collar is the same as what your young man has buttoned closed at the top. If so, you get a pretty clear picture of what they're wearing underneath. They also seem to be wearing the same style of hat. The closest I could get otherwise, in these sources, are the young men in fig 410 in Boucher (p.214), but they're 35 years ealier and the cap is definitely not the same. Boucher 1310 certainly fits my preconception of a likely bottom half. Try tapestry too. Hope this helps, Chimene/Patsy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 20:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25812 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:06:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E1dQF03313; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:39:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E1d2t21520; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8pPt16584; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:51:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A5DCA601EE; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:50:36 -0600 Message-ID: <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Newsletter" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Exciting News!!!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:49:25 -0500 Status: RO Hello Everyone, Some VERY exciting things are about to happen in the next couple of weeks. So I am going to jump right into it and let you know.... My BIG BREAK is about to happen!!!!! (so sorry to those who receive this several times) A reporter, Francine Parnes, from the Associated Press interviewed me last week about historic fashions for an article. The AP article is going out to the news media worldwide on Jan. 21. The article will be on their website at first and to all their affiliates websites. I thought I would give you a little info on how many news media will receive the article through the AP: "The AP is the backbone of the world's information system. In the United States alone, AP serves 5,000 radio and television stations and 1,700 newspapers. Add to that the 8,500 newspaper, radio and television subscribers in 121 countries overseas, and you'll have some idea of AP's reach." from the AP website The reporter sent the final draft to the editor Tuesday night. The editor is the one who decides what the title of the article will be. The reporter told me she will not know what the title will be until it is on the AP website. It will immediately go out to the AP subscribing websites on the 21st. The newspapers, TV, and radio will decide when to run the story from there... like our newspaper runs fashion stories on Thursdays, so I really don't expect to see it until then. They will have in the article me referred to as: Penny E. Dunlap Ladnier, owner of www.costumegallery.com . This means a LOT of people will be going to my website. YEA!!! The interview was very in-depth. The article is about World War 2 ladies fashions. I also gave them some quotes from Jennie Chancey, because she has come out with a new pattern of a 1942 swing dress. So I hope her quotes are in the article too. If you want to check and see if your local newspaper is a subscriber to the AP, go to http://wire.ap.org/ . Now I am asking you all a BIG favor. Please write your local newspaper and ask the fashion editor to run the article. Just tell them that the article will be on the AP on Jan. 21 and it is about World War 2 ladies' fashions and is written by the reporter Francine Parnes. If they run the article in your paper, please save for me the entire page from the newspaper. I want to see how many newspapers run the article and make a scrapbook. If you see or hear anything about it on TV or on the radio, please let me know about that too. Those who know me, know my favorite quote... "I am scared one morning, that I will wake up, turn on the TV... and Good Morning America or the Today Show will be talking about something on my website. Then I scream..... I am not have my website prepared." I have time to prepare. Susan, my asst., and I are getting the site prepared. We have some new things that we have been working on for months, that will be showing up on the site. Jennie and Marna Jean are helping get three whole new photograph areas up and running. We are working hard to make sure everything works on the site. Thank you to each of you who have road this crazy roller for so many years. If it weren't for all of you, I would have never had the inspiration to have come this far. It has been fun, exciting, and sometimes scary. But I thank God that he/she gave me supportive friends and family like you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. So cross your fingers and lets see where we go from here... Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 20:06:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25816 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:06:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E1cOF03135; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:38:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E1c0t21186; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from inet-mail4.oracle.com (inet-mail4.oracle.com [148.87.2.204]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08LhC325620 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:43:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from rgmgw5.us.oracle.com (rgmgw5.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.14]) by inet-mail4.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id g08Lh1Y16540 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:43:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from azay.oracle.com (digitalinfo.us.oracle.com [130.35.152.124]) by rgmgw5.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id g08Lh9l06841; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:43:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20020108134006.00a63a30@gmmail.oraclecorp.com> X-Sender: sally.norton@gmmail.oraclecorp.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com, "'h-costume@indra.com'" From: Sally Norton Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:43:07 -0800 Status: RO At 08:34 AM 1/8/02 +0000, Madevi Dailly wrote: > > Unsurprisingly, most people call 1805-1815 in France "Napoleonic". The > > French call it "Deuxieme Empire" or "Second Empire" (same > > spelling in French > > & English) or "Republique". I was in Paris last November and managed to visit most of the vintage clothing dealers in the Flea Market. I was looking for late 18th c. and early 19th c. garments. Every dealer I spoke to referred to the clothing styles of 1790 - 1815 as Directoire. They were speaking of French clothing. One dealer had two English pieces and referred to them as Regency. Sally Norton _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 20:51:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26457 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:51:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E2OPF06746; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:24:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E2O1t01877; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02-srv.alltel.net (mta02.alltel.net [166.102.165.144]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E2NYt01756 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:23:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from 7lxf9yuvk ([162.40.207.210]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20020114022357.GVOA6313.mta02-srv.alltel.net@7lxf9yuvk> for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:23:57 -0600 From: "Jamie Zdziarski" To: Message-ID: <003401c19ca2$8d59eb80$0200000a@7lxf9yuvk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Victorian Button Hook? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:24:10 -0500 Status: RO Hi! I'm usually just a lurker, but I came across this tool in a huge bag of costume jewelry that I obtained from a flea market. My first thought was of a button hook for Victorian high button shoes, I did a search on Ebay, in which I found a few button hooks but were a lot more detailed and most made of silver. So can anyone confirm that this is indeed a button hook? I attached 2 pictures of it, it is severely rusted but has a beautiful design on the handle if anyone knows how I may remove the rust with out damaging the pattern, please let me know. Thanks for your help! Jamie Z. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 21:10:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26707 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:10:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E2gPF08036; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:42:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E2g1t06057; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E2fKt05840 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:41:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-33qtnuk.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.223.212] helo=[165.247.225.198]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Px4A-0003LZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:41:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113112724.0449c7a0@mail.bmee.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113110452.01a52d20@mail.bmee.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020113112724.0449c7a0@mail.bmee.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Hemp (WAS: Web sites that sell fabrics suitable for costuming) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:23:49 -0800 Status: RO At 11:28 AM -0600 1/13/02, Gorgeous Muiredach wrote: >Fabric Description & WeightPrice > 100 yds. Price < 100 yds. >100% hemp canvas - 11oz, 12oz$8.50$9.00 >100% hemp canvas - 14oz$9.00$9.50 Hemp canvas is definitely authentic for large swaths of Western European history. The very name "canvas" comes from "cannabis" = hemp. >100% hemp basketweave -12.5oz$11.00$11.50 >100% hemp herringbone -12.5 oz, 15 oz$11.00$11.50 >100% hemp summer cloth -8oz$6.25$6.75 >100% hemp denim twill -12.5oz$9.25$9.75 >100% hemp yarn-dyed denim twill - 13 oz$9.75$10.25 >100% hemp linen - 5.8oz$6.75$7.25 >100% hemp muslin - 59” width - 5oz$6.75$7.25 I would not be at all surprised to find people using hemp canvas historically for the sorts of things we use denim for, i.e. sturdy clothing, webbing or straps, and the like. I would also not be terribly surprised to find "linen" made of hemp (rather than of flax) used for such things as grain sacks, rough toweling, et cetera. I don't know to what extent hemp "linen" or hemp "muslin" -- of the rather finer sort that's come on the market recently -- was used for historical clothing. And I would doubt whether it occurred to people that even fine hemp could be blended with silk; I'm not aware of linen/silk blends, and hemp seems to have been seen as a linen-analog. However I'm just talking off the top of my head here, and would be interested to see what people come up with. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 22:17:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27606 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:17:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E3oSF14033; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:50:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E3o0t26148; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E3nMt25916 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:49:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (PPP-66-121-20-121.frys.com [66.121.20.121]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0E3lwr00709 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:47:58 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020113194826.00a8f100@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.20020111215444.00aed9e0@mail.frys.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020111225437.02adfe38@mail.bmee.net> <4.1.20020111215444.00aed9e0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:50:13 -0800 Status: RO >> If the fasteners don't show, who's to know if they're period or not? >> (Someone in a Victorian costume workshop asked the instructor what if >> someone noticed his trousers fly zipped instead of buttoning, and the >> instructor said "If they're that close, they're not interested in >> authenticity".) > >Oh, I beg to differ! If I'm that close, I'd hate to be disappointed by >finding inauthentic fastenings. It'd just totally ruin the mood ;) But then again, when I use inauthentic fasteners, authenticity-purist-pride requires me to hide them completely. Velcro fasteners can be completely hidden, in many cases, if you're careful. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 22:17:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27611 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:17:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E3osF14056; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:50:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E3oUt26310; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:50:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E3nOt25931 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:49:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (PPP-66-121-20-121.frys.com [66.121.20.121]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0E3lxr00712 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:47:59 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020113195205.00c13e10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Button Hook? In-Reply-To: <003401c19ca2$8d59eb80$0200000a@7lxf9yuvk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:52:39 -0800 Status: RO Love to see the images, but your attachments didn't arrive. Jamie Zdziarski writes, in a message sent 09:24 PM 1/13/02 -0500: > > >Hi! I'm usually just a lurker, but I came across this tool in a huge >bag of costume jewelry that I obtained from a flea market. My first >thought was of a button hook for Victorian high button shoes, I did a >search on Ebay, in which I found a few button hooks but were a lot more >detailed and most made of silver. So can anyone confirm that this is >indeed a button hook? I attached 2 pictures of it, it is severely rusted >but has a beautiful design on the handle if anyone knows how I may >remove the rust with out damaging the pattern, please let me know. >Thanks for your help! > >Jamie Z. > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 22:17:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27615 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:17:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E3ovF14071; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:50:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E3oXt26333; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:50:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E3nQt25948 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:49:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (PPP-66-121-20-121.frys.com [66.121.20.121]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0E3m1r00716 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:48:01 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020113195327.00c17c80@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hemp (WAS: Web sites that sell fabrics suitable for costuming) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113112724.0449c7a0@mail.bmee.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020113110452.01a52d20@mail.bmee.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020113112724.0449c7a0@mail.bmee.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:55:27 -0800 Status: RO So where did you get this cloth? Inquiring minds want to know. Also, I'm told that hemp so resembles linen that in some cases it can be mistaken for it. This has led to some mis-interpretations and mis-attributions by museums, or so I am told. >>Fabric Description & WeightPrice > 100 yds. Price < 100 yds. >>100% hemp canvas - 11oz, 12oz$8.50$9.00 >>100% hemp canvas - 14oz$9.00$9.50 > >Hemp canvas is definitely authentic for large swaths of Western >European history. The very name "canvas" comes from "cannabis" = hemp. > >>100% hemp basketweave -12.5oz$11.00$11.50 >>100% hemp herringbone -12.5 oz, 15 oz$11.00$11.50 >>100% hemp summer cloth -8oz$6.25$6.75 >>100% hemp denim twill -12.5oz$9.25$9.75 >>100% hemp yarn-dyed denim twill - 13 oz$9.75$10.25 >>100% hemp linen - 5.8oz$6.75$7.25 >>100% hemp muslin - 59” width - 5oz$6.75$7.25 > >I would not be at all surprised to find people using hemp canvas >historically for the sorts of things we use denim for, i.e. sturdy >clothing, webbing or straps, and the like. I would also not be >terribly surprised to find "linen" made of hemp (rather than of flax) >used for such things as grain sacks, rough toweling, et cetera. > >I don't know to what extent hemp "linen" or hemp "muslin" -- of the >rather finer sort that's come on the market recently -- was used for >historical clothing. And I would doubt whether it occurred to people >that even fine hemp could be blended with silk; I'm not aware of >linen/silk blends, and hemp seems to have been seen as a linen-analog. > >However I'm just talking off the top of my head here, and would be >interested to see what people come up with. >-- >_________________________________________________________ >O Chris Laning >| >+ Davis, California >_________________________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 22:42:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27936 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:42:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E4FQF16432; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:15:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E4F1t04190; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E4EPt04001 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:14:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.e.1875b009 (3314) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:14:38 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e.1875b009.2973b52e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10555 Subject: [h-cost] Re: tea sandwiches Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:14:38 EST Status: RO --part1_e.1875b009.2973b52e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/13/02 9:57:21 AM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Drinking tea without milk is, I believe, some strange colonial custom. Amen. I am so glad though. I like my tea with sugar and either hot or iced. I never could figure out why I would want to put milk or cream in it. The idea just seems weird to me. >From the colonial side of the pond. Kelly m311@aol.com --part1_e.1875b009.2973b52e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/13/02 9:57:21 AM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


Drinking tea without milk is, I believe, some strange colonial custom.  


Amen.  I am so glad though.  I like my tea with sugar and either hot or iced.  I never could figure out why I would want to put milk or cream in it.  The idea just seems weird to me.  
From the colonial side of the pond.
Kelly
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--part1_e.1875b009.2973b52e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 23:40:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28725 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:40:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E5DUF20758; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:13:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E5D0t17496; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E5Cgt17409 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:12:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (PPP-66-121-20-74.frys.com [66.121.20.74]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0E5BHr02026 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:11:17 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020113204445.00bf8d10@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20020113204445.00bf8d10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: tea sandwiches In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:20:17 -0800 Status: RO > >> >> Drinking tea without milk is, I believe, some strange colonial custom. > > > Amen. I am so glad though. I like my tea with sugar and either hot or > iced. I never could figure out why I would want to put milk or cream in it. > The idea just seems weird to me. > From the colonial side of the pond. My California grandmother used to make what she called 'tea punch', with ice cubes, sugar, some flavour like lemon (and I don't remember if she put milk in or not). I drink tea and iced tea, not 'tea punch'. (I don't know what my Oregon grandmother drank.) Obligatory costume content: I drink cold tea, water, or soda at Ren. Faires, which is another reason to use a tankard with a lid - drinking water is hardly period for the 1500's. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 00:37:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29468 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:37:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E69QF24286; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:09:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E691t28802; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E68Pt28564 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:08:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPWZQN00.6A6 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:08:47 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT-mold... Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1e.215ea275.29710988@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:05:08 -0800 Status: RO So THIS is what the mold this is all about. I got it yesteday, marked as you can see as if it were sent on Friday evening. No wonder we're all confused. The server apparently held up your post so none of us had seen it, and you (sensibly) thought we had. The wonders of technology. I do sympathize. My family doesn't have anything like your tangible history, and I envy those who do. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of LadyGryphon@aol.com > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:38 PM > To: undisclosed-recipients: > Subject: [h-cost] OT-mold... > > > Will all and sundry please keep happy thoughts coming our way? My mother's > just found out that her house has black mold in it and, while she knows her > options, she's not quite decided what she's going to do about it. Selling the > house and moving is pretty high on her list of options. This due to the past > years expenses incurred (reattaching the roof, water damage to most of the > ceilings, new septic pump amongst others) and her getting a bit tired of it > being Mr. Blanding's Dream House. The happy thoughts are that it's just plain > mold and can be gotten rid of rather than TOXIC mold that will cause the house > to be "gotten rid of" or "incinerated under controlled conditions". That > last thought's a scary one. It's a lovely house and holds many happy > memories. Selfish me-I was also looking forward to having many years of future > happy memories in it as it's my inheritance from my mother. > Wish us nothing but good luck and keep your fingers toes and eyes crossed for > us. > Many thanks, > Lady G > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 00:39:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29494 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:39:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E6BPF24391; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:11:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E6B0t29211; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E6Ajt29159 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:10:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020114061104.XNGD10951.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:11:04 +0000 Message-ID: <004101c19cc2$3ce98550$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exciting News!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:10:49 -0600 Status: RO Congratulations! I know exactly how you feel!! :) Sincerely, Franchesca Havas McKinney, Texas º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Newsletter" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:49 AM Subject: [h-cost] Exciting News!!!! > Hello Everyone, > > Some VERY exciting things are about to happen in the next couple of weeks. > So I am going to jump right into it and let you know.... My BIG BREAK is > about to happen!!!!! (so sorry to those who receive this several times) > > A reporter, Francine Parnes, from the Associated Press interviewed me last > week about historic fashions for an article. The AP article is going out to > the news media _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 00:45:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29574 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:45:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E6IQF24754; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:18:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E6I0t00679; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E6HMt00576 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:17:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPX05L00.S2B for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:17:45 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Victorian Button Hook? Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020113195205.00c13e10@mail.frys.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:14:07 -0800 Status: RO Elizabeth has set the list so it doesn't accept attachments. Maybe there's a web site you can post them on, or you could pop onto the Community Zero "H-Costume Swap and Sell" http://www.communityzero.com/hcostume/ and post it there. (Make sure you mark it not for sale, unless you want to sell it :) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 7:53 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Button Hook? > > > Love to see the images, but your attachments didn't arrive. > > Jamie Zdziarski writes, in a message sent 09:24 PM 1/13/02 -0500: > > > > > >Hi! I'm usually just a lurker, but I came across this tool in a huge > >bag of costume jewelry that I obtained from a flea market. My first > >thought was of a button hook for Victorian high button shoes, I did a > >search on Ebay, in which I found a few button hooks but were a lot more > >detailed and most made of silver. So can anyone confirm that this is > >indeed a button hook? I attached 2 pictures of it, it is severely rusted > >but has a beautiful design on the handle if anyone knows how I may > >remove the rust with out damaging the pattern, please let me know. > >Thanks for your help! > > > >Jamie Z. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 02:58:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA31170 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:58:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E8VQF01498; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:31:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E8Uxt25339; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:30:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx01.uni-tuebingen.de (mx01.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.3.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E8RKt24607 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:27:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from mh073 (mh073.ub.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.65.73]) by mx01.uni-tuebingen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01855 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:27:44 +0100 Message-Id: <200201140827.JAA01855@mx01.uni-tuebingen.de> From: "Ulrike Mehringer" Organization: UB Tuebingen To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bierstein?? Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200201122004.VAA27266@octopussy.math.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <200201121656.g0CGuMt19819@net.indra.com> from "h-costume-request@indra.com" at "Jan 12, 2002 9:56:22 am" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: ulrike.mehringer@ub.uni-tuebingen.de List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:27:43 +0200 Status: RO > > Beer is also referred to as "liquid bread" at times. > > It's also made of grains, and it has quite a lot of calories > (from the alcohol). In ancient Egypt beer was made by fermenting unbaked bread, if I remember correctly what I read. Ulrike _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 04:27:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32671 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:27:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EA0VF04871; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:00:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EA00t10000; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:00:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E9xPt09784 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:59:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KD22Q4JV9S00G9M6@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:01:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KD22Q3VCRU00DVMT@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:01:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:57:02 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:56:24 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.98) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:56:23 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-reply-to: <200201111837.g0BIbHt15783@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:56:22 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > You''l be telling me next you don't warm the mug first & put milk in > your tea That's right. It's the *only* way to do it. Actually, that's how I *used* to have tea - I gave up drinking it about seven years ago when I had some health problems and I've been so much better ever since that I haven't gone back to it. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 04:35:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA00390 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:35:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EA8QF05102; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:08:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EA81t11215; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta01ps.bigpond.com (mta01ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EA7et11146 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:07:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.84]) by mta01ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPXB5000.AYW for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:15:00 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-136.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.136]) by psmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0h 110/2779609); 14 Jan 2002 20:07:56 Message-ID: <3C43BAC6.6080703@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: AndyCO. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question References: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> <3C3EF4BC.2690EBC@faucet.net> <3C41D58B.7090902@bigpond.com> <3C40DE79.F99FD96F@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:14:46 -0800 Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Claire Clarke wrote: > >> Ack! I needed to know this a year ago! > > > Um..sorry... Ah well. Now I know...:-) > > >> > > Well, part of it is that, at least on Elizabethan, the horizontal front > of the neckline is not quite horizontal, but instead is an arch. So > you're not getting 90 degrees anyway. That makes sense.... > > Perhaps this is obvious, but just in case: it may also transpire, in > fitting, that because of the slope of the shoulder and the angle of the > strap, the strap might have to curve to meet the back of the bodice at > the proper location. > > Just flipping through my Holbein book, it looks like some of the Tudor > necklines were arched as well, and many of them look to have a > less-than-90-degree angle at the strap. Of course, there's the whole > pin-on-placket issue, and I suppose you can make the top of it any shape > you like. In addition, there's the possible-v-back issue (see Holbein's > sketch of the Unknown Lady from 1535, front and back), which would make > an acute angle necessary and help tremendously in keeping the straps up, > especially considering the weight of Tudor sleeves. Mine does have a v-back, which probably adds to the problem.... > >> I need to >> seriously rework the >> whole armsceye/shoulder area on that gown. > > > If you're anywhere near the Milwaukee area, I would be happy to assist > in any way I can with the fitting. I have Garb Workdays twice a month > in the costume shop where I work. Thank you kindly, but nowhere near Milwaukee. Not remotely. Claire (in Australia) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 04:37:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA00407 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:37:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EAAQF05181; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:10:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EAA1t11572; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EA9Vt11495 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:09:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KD232MU2CW00G2R4@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:11:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KD232I5SGE00DVMT@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:11:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:07:02 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:06:28 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.98) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:06:19 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-reply-to: <200201120340.g0C3eIt26371@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:06:19 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > No one does NOT have to put milk in it unless one is a builder ;) Despite Mel's dislike of it, the "standard" way to have tea in England is with milk even for posh people.... that's why tea-services are made with matching milk jugs and sugar-bowls..... This carries over to such an extent that I even know people these days who drink what I refer to as "drug teas" (all of those horrid combinations of flavoured teas like Apple and Cinamon, Lanoline and Bandage, Vaseline and Old Sock etc) with milk and sugar - which makes me shudder even more than the concept of drinking those sorts of teas at all. > Neither does one ice tea I believe they do in France however. Much > to my shame my son drinks iced tea, send him to France for 6 months > & he returns with such filthy habits ;) There I have to agree with Mel, I'm afraid. What a horrid idea to drink your tea *cold*..... Teddy. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 06:03:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01870 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:03:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EBaSF08473; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:36:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EBa1t09179; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EBZTt09077 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:35:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KD2634FWRK00DXEE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:37:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KD2632L0HI00FLID@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:37:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:33:00 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:32:26 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.98) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:32:19 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-reply-to: <200201131556.g0DFuEt29598@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:32:19 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Drat! If I hadn't revealed my ignorance, I could have made out like I > was more couth than Teddy. But, ah, too late! Truth is, Jean, it don't take much! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 06:51:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02469 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:51:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ECOYF10656; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:24:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ECO0t17457; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ECNht17403 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:23:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from melaniew (213-78-16-49.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.16.49]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACR78552; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:23:56 GMT Message-ID: <00aa01c19cf7$6d4247c0$31104ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:31:37 -0000 Status: RO >Despite Mel's dislike of it, the "standard" way to have tea in England is with milk even for posh people.... that's why tea-services are made with matching milk jugs and sugar-bowls..... Not wishing to start a tea war :) But....I think it depends on the tea being drunk, the period and several other factors too . :0) Dajeeling (sp ?) Earl Grey are IMHO too light a flavour to corrupt with milk and in my experiance are not drunk with milk commonly. Wheras Yorkshire tea, PG tips etc are, but then they are also served it paper sacks (tea bags) :( I could suggest tea jugs are rather middle class. (if I was being catty) Sugar & lots is pretty common WAY back at any level I've found It is etiquette to ask if one takes milk and sugar, therefore whilst acceptable to drink with milk it is also acceptable to drink without. Bottom line though, drink your tea the way that pleases you !! BTW Early Victorians dissapproved of tea drinking esp for Women, Q Vicoria didn't have tea until she became Queen apparently her carers banned it. Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 08:10:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07252 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:10:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EDhSF14597; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:43:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EDh1t02700; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EDgNt02575 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:42:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id ADC651A700FA; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:31:50 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114074956.01abba40@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hemp (WAS: Web sites that sell fabrics suitable for costuming) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020113195327.00c17c80@mail.frys.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113112724.0449c7a0@mail.bmee.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020113110452.01a52d20@mail.bmee.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020113112724.0449c7a0@mail.bmee.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:50:26 -0600 Status: RO At 09:55 PM 1/13/2002, you wrote: >So where did you get this cloth? Inquiring minds want to know. As per previous mail: http://www.pickhemp.com Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 09:25:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08301 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:25:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EEvoF21236; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:57:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EEv0t26240; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EEuEt25802 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:56:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.159] (pm5-159.eos.net [205.133.149.159]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17609 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:51:15 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201131556.g0DFu2t29556@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Titanic dresses Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:48:24 -0500 Status: RO Thanks for posting those pictures and the text! Isn't it amazing what a difference having a PERSON in clothes makes? The jump dress looks a bit dowdy hanging by itself, but it looked great on Kate Winslett. But I am shocked to find that it is a size 4! I am not one of the strange people who thought Kate Winslett looked FAT in the movie. I thought she looked great, like a normal human being rather than one of those too-thin Hollywood actresses. (I read an interview once with an actress who said that every woman in Hollywood was a size 2 or 4). I know that film makes people look fatter, but still, I wouldn't have guessed less than a 6. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 10:08:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08964 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:08:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EFfRF26773; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:41:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EFf0t18212; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EFect18023 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:40:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KD2EN6D8LC00EFKV@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:43:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KD2EN43J8E00CVU9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:42:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:38:13 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:37:21 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.98) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:37:17 +0000 From: Teddy In-reply-to: <200201141344.g0EDiBt02930@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <102950C7967@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Re:(H-cost) Bath costume Museum (QEII dresses) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:37:17 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hello folks, Someone was asling about the Queen Elizabeth II dress exhibition at the Bath Museum of Costume, last week I think? Anyhow, while visitng the are this weekend, Danielle and I got to see the Museum and made a point of seeing this exhibition. There were about 16 to 20 dresses, mostly from the late 1960s and 70's. As it's not really my period, I can't tell you very much detail except that the only ones I liked were all by Norman Harnell (they had better silhouettes and fuller skirts, the others were too narrow) and there was only one Norman Hartnell dress I didn't like at all (darkish-turquoise 1970's jobbie with no real shape to it and a narrow full-length skirt) Sorry not to give a detailed report of each one, but they were all very similar, falling into two categories, ones with narrow skirts and ones with full or fuller skirts, all in 1960's/1970's colour scemes and patterns. One particularly full-skirted one had a huge, lovely orange bow at the back but the fabric also had horrible orange 1970's flowery patterns on plain off-white background, which spoiled the effect somewhat, for me. The rest of the collection was disappointingly small (the part on display at least) They were all nice pieces and the stuff on show was leaned heavily towards womens 18th century stuff.... but there was a nice early 17th century smock that was blackworked on the upper body and sleeves and looked like the bits on display in the nexkline and sleeves of those late Elizabethan paintings which are often hotly debated as to whether they are a shirt-like shift or an embroidered partlet (nexk infill thingy) and matching sleeves. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 10:56:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09293 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:56:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EGTWF03479; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:29:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EGT0t13785; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EGS8t13274 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:28:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from 3cust123.tnt7.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.193.51.123] helo=earthlink.net) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Q9yL-0006Dv-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:28:34 -0800 Message-ID: <3C430748.7020303@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic dresses References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:28:56 -0500 Status: RO Remember, it depends on the original real build of the woman. There really and truly are women designed by nature to be a size 2. Not many... but they do exist, with womanly figures, looking lovely, not skinny. You don't even really notice how small they are until you try to fit them. The ones we think of are the women designed by nature to be a size 8, who are starving themselves down to squeeze into a 4. That's not pretty, but it is encouraged in the industry, for many reasons. I've never seen Winslett in person, let alone fit her, so I have no idea what her build is like, but it certainly sounds as if this was natural for her. The performers I meet who are really struggling are dancers. They build up muscle around their hips and legs, and then "look hippy" and feel fat. At a size 8... without an extra ounce of fat on their bodies! Then, there are also women who are equally truly designed to be a 12 or a 14, without any extra padding. I understand that, because, if I were thin, I'd be a 14. My wrists hang out of a 12... But many of these women, in the business, either give up and become/stay heavy, because no one will accept their real build, but they can get work if they aren't expecting to be ingenues, or else they try to starve themselves down to a 10. They really look like scarecrows... Lots of pressure on all, and almost all coming from people who look at numbers, and don't really *look* at the bodies. Anne Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > >But I am shocked to find that it is a size 4! I am not one of the strange >people who thought Kate Winslett looked FAT in the movie. I thought she >looked great, like a normal human being rather than one of those too-thin >Hollywood actresses. (I read an interview once with an actress who said that >every woman in Hollywood was a size 2 or 4). I know that film makes people >look fatter, but still, I wouldn't have guessed less than a 6. > >Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 11:07:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09372 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:07:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EGeTF05098; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:40:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EGe1t20257; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EGdpt20144 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:39:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from LLWatts@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.6b.20e2a01d (4238) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:40:04 -0500 (EST) From: LLWatts@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.20e2a01d.297463e3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6b.20e2a01d.297463e3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:40:03 EST Status: RO --part1_6b.20e2a01d.297463e3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Despite Mel's dislike of it, the "standard" way to have tea in England > is with milk even for posh people.... that's why tea-services are > made with matching milk jugs and sugar-bowls..... > > This carries over to such an extent that I even know people these > days who drink what I refer to as "drug teas" (all of those horrid > combinations of flavoured teas like Apple and Cinamon, Lanoline > and Bandage, Vaseline and Old Sock etc) with milk and sugar - > which makes me shudder even more than the concept of drinking > those sorts of teas at all. ROFL! Thanks Teddy! I don't mind some of the flavored teas (Constant Comment and Earl Grey are standards in my cupboard), but not the really heavy flavors and not most of the herbal teas on the market (way too sweet for my taste). > > >> Neither does one ice tea I believe they do in France however. Much > >> to my shame my son drinks iced tea, send him to France for 6 months > >> & he returns with such filthy habits ;) > > > > There I have to agree with Mel, I'm afraid. What a horrid idea to > > drink your tea *cold*..... When the (Fahrenheit) temperature and the relative humidity are both over 90, believe me it tastes good :) It's got to be genuine brewed tea though -- some American restaurants have switched to a tea concentrate that they can hook up to the pop machine, and it tastes lousy. I got some a couple years ago that tasted like it had been brewed from stale cherry Sucrets (an American cough drop). Leah --part1_6b.20e2a01d.297463e3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Despite Mel's dislike of it, the "standard" way to have tea in England
> is with milk even for posh people.... that's why tea-services are
> made with matching milk jugs and sugar-bowls.....<g>
>
> This carries over to such an extent that I even know people these
> days who drink what I refer to as "drug teas" (all of those horrid
> combinations of flavoured teas like Apple and Cinamon, Lanoline
> and Bandage, Vaseline and Old Sock etc) with milk and sugar -
> which makes me shudder even more than the concept of drinking
> those sorts of teas at all.


ROFL! Thanks Teddy!

I don't mind some of the flavored teas (Constant Comment and Earl Grey are standards in my cupboard), but not the really heavy flavors and not most of the herbal teas on the market (way too sweet for my taste).



>> Neither does one ice tea I believe they do in France however. Much
>> to my shame my son drinks iced tea, send him to France for 6 months
>> & he returns with such filthy habits ;)
>
> There I have to agree with Mel, I'm afraid.  What a horrid idea to
> drink your tea *cold*..... <shudder!>


When the (Fahrenheit) temperature and the relative humidity are both over 90, believe me it tastes good :)  It's got to be genuine brewed tea though -- some American restaurants have switched to a tea concentrate that they can hook up to the pop machine, and it tastes lousy.  I got some a couple years ago that tasted like it had been brewed from stale cherry Sucrets (an American cough drop).

Leah


 --part1_6b.20e2a01d.297463e3_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 11:18:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09502 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:18:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EGpSF06651; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:51:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EGp1t26696; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EGoat26486 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:50:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA12182.; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:58:30 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:51:00 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0EGoat26486 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:50:38 +0000 Status: RO Some time ago I asked the list about US vs. UK sizes and was told they were, in theory, the same. BUT the smallest woman's size sold in the UK is an 8, so I can't imagine what these 2s and 4s are like! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> afmmurphy@earthlink.net 01/14/02 04:28pm >>> Remember, it depends on the original real build of the woman. There really and truly are women designed by nature to be a size 2. Not many... but they do exist, with womanly figures, looking lovely, not skinny. You don't even really notice how small they are until you try to fit them. The ones we think of are the women designed by nature to be a size 8, who are starving themselves down to squeeze into a 4. That's not pretty, but it is encouraged in the industry, for many reasons. I've never seen Winslett in person, let alone fit her, so I have no idea what her build is like, but it certainly sounds as if this was natural for her. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 11:38:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09936 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:38:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EHBSF09432; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:11:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EHB0t10541; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20409.mail.yahoo.com (web20409.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.128]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0EHA9t10024 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:10:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020114171030.32735.qmail@web20409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.60.146.47] by web20409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:10:30 PST From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re:[h-cost]OT mold (the living kind, not casting) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:10:30 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Lady G- After a decree that things have to be destroyed, how much time would you have to prepare? I'm thinking things like scanning photographs, photographing objects, and taking notes. I know it won't be "the same" at all, but it might be a little better than just inside-your-head memories. With sympathy, Angela --- LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > Thus the only thing TO do is either remove all > contaminated items and destroy > them or if the infestation is too far involved for > it to be "fixable"-destroy > the entire house and contents. That's what we fear > the most. Destruction of > all our tangible memories and other things that > cannot be replaced at any > cost. I mean how can money replace the chair that my > umpteen great > grandfather hand made (and rubbed a jillion coats of > beeswax into) all those > years ago, photographs of my great grandparents on > their wedding day, the > quilt my grandmother made for me while my mother was > preggers with me and > dozens of other like items. We're all in shock. > Thank you for you concern, it is greatly > appreciated. > Lady G __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 11:50:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09986 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:50:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EHNSF11602; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:23:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EHN1t18194; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.wireweb.net ([64.243.192.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EHMWt17911 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:22:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200201141117.AA1476067648@mail.wireweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Alexandria Doyle" X-Sender: To: X-Mailer: Subject: [h-cost] Real Pearls? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:17:24 -0600 Status: RO How does one tell if a strand of pearls are real or glass pearls? A few weeks ago I picked up a pearl necklace with a few nice red glass beads with matching clip-on earrings. The pearls are ten mm, they are creme color, not white They also were not individually knotted on the strand. I paid about $6.00 for the set. I just have had the time to look closely at the set and was comparing them to a set that I was given for Christmas, that are definately the real thing. The weight of the two necklaces are simular, discounting the size and length differences. I cannot detect any mold lines or any indications of how they were made. The color or coating doesn't seem likely to peel or chip either, even around the hole that definately looks drilled into the pearl. What should I be looking for? Alexandria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 11:59:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10078 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:59:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EHWXF13478; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:32:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EHW2t24516; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20303.mail.yahoo.com (web20303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0EHVJt24060 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:31:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020114173145.5430.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:31:45 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Real Pearls? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200201141117.AA1476067648@mail.wireweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:31:45 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Alexandria Doyle wrote: > How does one tell if a strand of pearls are real or > glass pearls? Real pearls (including cultured) feel slightly gritty against the teeth. Iohanna the Harper [m.k.a. Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 12:02:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10100 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:02:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EHYSF13787; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:34:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EHY1t25714; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web11706.mail.yahoo.com (web11706.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.72]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0EHXRt25358 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:33:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020114173351.25311.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.25.15.184] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:33:51 PST From: carol Subject: Re: [h-cost] Real Pearls? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200201141117.AA1476067648@mail.wireweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:33:51 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Hello Alexandra Real pearls, when rubbed across the teeth, feel rough. Fake ones, especially glass, feel slick. Whether cultured or natural, if they are genuine pearls, they should feel rough, or "gritty" when you rub them across the surface of your front teeth. Hope that helps Carol ===== ....you cease to mourn the morning when you celebrate the night ..... "The night summons like an unquenched love, beckoning with the promise of dark desires." 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Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 12:10:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10165 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:10:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EHhYF15489; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:43:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EHh2t02084; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:43:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from ws2-2.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-72.outblaze.com [205.158.62.72]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0EHg4t01385 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:42:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 1066 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Jan 2002 17:42:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20020114174221.1065.qmail@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from ws2-2.us4.outblaze.com for [156.41.168.26] via web-mailer on Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:42:21 +0800 From: " Sarah Goodman" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Corded Bodices/Corsets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:42:21 +0800 Status: RO Hi all, I'm curious if anyone knows when cording became a popular method of stiffening corsets/bodices. I know that it was popular at least by 1850, but my hope was that it can be traced further back than that... Anyone have some good leads? Sarah ***** Sewing The Seeds Of Rebellion has moved! Please update your links to : http://homepage.mac.com/lithiate ***** -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 12:15:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10212 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:15:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EHlTF16247; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:47:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EHl1t04827; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EHkot04713 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:46:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA08271 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:47:15 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Clogs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:47:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Marc Carlson wrote: > I seam to have missed the original response, so if there was more to it than > this, please let me know. Not really :) I've just got a thing about them because someone told me that they weren't worn in the 18th c. by the English (in England) and American colonists, and I'd love to prove otherwise. > As for people liking them or not, it's a personal thing. There's nothing > wrong with them, or people liking them. However, after spending some > serious time around a number of communes in the 60s, there's just something > about them that reminds me of the less 'fun' aspects of chosing to live a > 'primitive' lifestyle with insufficient research. Personally they make my > feet hurt (and their more form fitted descendents, the birkenstocks are even > worse (for me). Ugh, I can't wear Birkies either. Communes are before my time, but I can understand where you're coming from. Clogs certainly aren't for everyone. > I don't recall at this point where I heard the story, but there was a thing > about someone who was growing up in the area, and growing up hearing the > sounds of all the hundreds of factory girls clogs on the cobblestones as > they headed up to work in the morning. > > Marc My hubby says he can locate me at the hardware store, when we've gone off in different directions, because of the distinctive 'clip, clop' noise they make. I tend to wear mine with two pairs of socks -- a pair of cotton socks with a pair of ragg wool socks over them. They don't hurt my feet. They're good on mud (and in the garden, when I am using a shovel and need an extra stiff sole), but are treacherous on ice. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 12:18:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10250 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:18:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EHpTF16880; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:51:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EHp1t07481; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EHoQt07084 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:50:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA08871 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:50:52 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Bodices/Corsets In-Reply-To: <20020114174221.1065.qmail@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:50:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Sarah Goodman wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm curious if anyone knows when cording became a popular method of stiffening corsets/bodices. I know that it was popular at least by 1850, but my hope was that it can be traced further back than that... > > Anyone have some good leads? > > Sarah I've seen references to corded stays in the 18th century. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 12:43:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10684 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:43:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EIGTF20697; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:16:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EIG1t24076; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EIEwt23451 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:14:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p88.directcon.net [209.79.209.137]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24649 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:14:20 -0800 Message-Id: <200201141814.KAA24649@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:14:20 -0800 Status: RO At 04:50 PM 01/14/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Some time ago I asked the list about US vs. UK sizes and was told they were, in theory, the same. BUT the smallest woman's size sold in the UK is an 8, so I can't imagine what these 2s and 4s are like! > Well, my size 4 pattern sloper is 33" bust, 25" waist. But American sizing isn't standardized at ALL. Each manufacturer arrives at their own idea of what sizing should be. This is compounded by "vanity sizing", in which sizes are labeled much, much smaller than average, to flatter rich ladies and make them want to buy a size "4" that is really more like an 8 or 10. Could this be what's happening here? Because, if Kate Winslett is really that small, Leo de Caprio must be really, really little. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 12:44:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10691 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:44:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EIHTF20912; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:17:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EIH2t24701; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EIFqt23988 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:15:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.130.7af8e20 (3924) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:16:10 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <130.7af8e20.29747a6a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:[h-cost]OT mold (the living kind, not casting) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:16:10 EST Status: RO In a message dated 14/1/02 11:12:21 AM, a_kovatch@yahoo.com writes: << After a decree that things have to be destroyed, how much time would you have to prepare? >> The inspector gets here about 10am tomorrow morning, once/if (s)he says the house is uninhabitable that's it. Whatever portion that has the mould on/in it will have to be destroyed. There is no preparation time. Fortunately I've scanned in most of the really important (ie the ones I have a personal interest in) photos, just for my own amusement and I have them on disc. I'm about half insane with this right now. Thank you for your concern, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 13:06:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10842 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:06:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EIcUF24268; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:38:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EIc1t08117; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (dsl092-160-084.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.160.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EIbut08061 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:37:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from gideonfamily.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8296E811F for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:38:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C432599.1EF33FD8@gideonfamily.org> From: Andrea Gideon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's Elizabethan References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:38:17 -0500 Status: RO > > > Yes, he looks a fine up-standing fellow... but what can you tell me about > the half-timbered cottage in the background of 1257, please!!! Are the > walls and roof fabric, or ??? Is it a merchant booth or a really decadent > tent on a trailer frame, or ??? > > thanks, > Chimene/Patsy > It is a Japanese teahouse built around a converted RV, I think. I now communicate with the owner by e-mail, but didn't know him at the time that I originally asked to check it out. I can write him and ask for further details, if you like. Andrea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 13:08:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10849 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:08:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EIdSF24441; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:39:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EId1t08790; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EIc8t08182 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:38:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([68.55.178.225]) by femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020114183833.NHUT617.femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:38:33 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4325A8.61C57A75@home.com> From: Liz / Cozit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Bodices/Corsets References: <200201141818.g0EIIDt25590@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@home.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:38:32 -0500 Status: RO Colonial Williamsburg keeps their clothing, etc. right around (just before, just after) the American Revolution. The man who's been 'the tailor' there for a number of years has done a lot of research into that (among other things). I can't give you a date... and I seem to have mislaid the paper I wrote it down on (keep meaning to send a letter to double check), but he's come across a picture of a woman in some disarray who is wearing a corded bodice from that period, visible in the picture. The picture is of a woman in red, holding a letter in one hand. I can't remember if all of her garb is red, or just the stays, or just the dress itself. The picture dates to the 1700s, but I can't remember closer than that. He's also come across a few other references, though IIRC, that was the best primary source he's found. I believe that though they were referred to as corded stays, they also had another name (I'm fairly certain it wasn't, but the name pajama is sticking in my head... so it may have been something similar). There were more than one style, in more than one level of stiffness (some wouldn't have been worn except to be comfortable in the privacy of your own private sitting room for example... while others were perfectly respectable for everyday wear). He's a wonderful source of information, and is very willing to share the resource sources he's found (names at least) with those who are truly interested. -Elisabeth > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Bodices/Corsets > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Sarah Goodman wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm curious if anyone knows when cording became a popular method of stiffening corsets/bodices. I know that it was popular at least by 1850, but my hope was that it can be traced further back than that... > > > > Anyone have some good leads? > > > > Sarah > > I've seen references to corded stays in the 18th century. > > -- Mara > > - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 13:11:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10863 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:11:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EIgSF25029; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:42:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EIg0t10686; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailjaya.creighton.edu (MailjayA.creighton.edu [147.134.2.126]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EIfWt10343 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:41:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by mailjaya.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13983 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:41:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000401c19d2a$afc9a6a0$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: <200201141814.KAA24649@artemis.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:38:33 -0600 Status: RO Yes, US and UK(EUR) are different. Burda brand patterns sold here in the US cause confusion because one requires a larger size in a Burda than Vogue, Simplicity, McCalls and Butterrick. To compound the problem, the last quartet of pattern manufacturers sizes run smaller than off-the-rack fashions. It would help for off the rack sales if each manufacturer put the actual dimensions each size is supposed to fit. The problem lies in that while American women as a whole are taller and wider than 50-60 years ago, the official U.S. sizing charts haven't changed since World War II. Some designers don't want women over a certain size to wear their fashions or won't cut for petites because they want their designs only on very tall, very thin women. I think the so-called vanity sizing is more sizing trying to keep up with the actual increases in height and weight of the U.S. population in the last century. We are getting fatter, but due to good nutrition, most children today are taller than their parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents. I was predicted to be only 4'9-5' tall at most by age 18 but ended up 4'11 1/2"; our family doctor credited that to good nutrition and unusually good childhood health. Many movie starts, from the silents on, have been shorter and thinner(especially the women) than the average person on the street. A lot of leading men have had to stand on a box or the leading lady in a "trench" for those midshots! It is a fact that on official Hollywood bios Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman are about the same height, but I think Cruise is actually the same height or a bit shorter than his ex! Cindy Abel ILL Coordinator Health Sciences Library Creighton University 2500 California Plaza Omaha NE 68178-0210 Phone: 402. 280-5144 Fax: 402.280-5134 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses > At 04:50 PM 01/14/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >Some time ago I asked the list about US vs. UK sizes and was told they > were, in theory, the same. BUT the smallest woman's size sold in the UK is > an 8, so I can't imagine what these 2s and 4s are like! > > > Well, my size 4 pattern sloper is 33" bust, 25" waist. But American sizing > isn't standardized at ALL. Each manufacturer arrives at their own idea of > what sizing should be. This is compounded by "vanity sizing", in which > sizes are labeled much, much smaller than average, to flatter rich ladies > and make them want to buy a size "4" that is really more like an 8 or 10. > Could this be what's happening here? Because, if Kate Winslett is really > that small, Leo de Caprio must be really, really little. > > Margo > > > > Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns > margospatterns.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 13:14:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10884 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:14:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EIkSF25656; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:46:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EIk1t12897; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20304.mail.yahoo.com (web20304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0EIj4t12461 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:45:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020114184530.80466.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:45:30 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200201141814.KAA24649@artemis.directcon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:45:30 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Margo@margospatterns.com wrote: But American sizing > isn't standardized at ALL. No kidding! My size ranges from 22 to 28 depending on the manufacturer. Iohanna the Harper [m.k.a. Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 13:19:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10917 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:19:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EIpTF26331; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:51:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EIp1t15630; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm9.jersey.juno.com (wm9.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.229]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EIost15591 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:50:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCjZNhzsX7Hj8tCzu2vLBEOw1EZIk+B8a0A=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm9.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQ5UGLXE; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:51:07 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020114.135107.562.16992@wm9.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:51:01 GMT Status: RO Although I am considerably better padded these days, back in the mid 80's when I was at my thinnest, I measured 36-26-36 and the smallest size I ever wore was an American 7/8. I am designed to be robust and those measurements at my height (5'7") made me look like a skeleton. Honestly, I'm pretty sure that my bones and internal organs alone are bigger than a size 4!!!! Karen ---------- Margo@margospatterns.com writes: From: Margo@margospatterns.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:14:20 -0800 At 04:50 PM 01/14/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Some time ago I asked the list about US vs. UK sizes and was told they were, in theory, the same. BUT the smallest woman's size sold in the UK is an 8, so I can't imagine what these 2s and 4s are like! > Well, my size 4 pattern sloper is 33" bust, 25" waist. But American sizing isn't standardized at ALL. Each manufacturer arrives at their own idea of what sizing should be. This is compounded by "vanity sizing", in which sizes are labeled much, much smaller than average, to flatter rich ladies and make them want to buy a size "4" that is really more like an 8 or 10. Could this be what's happening here? Because, if Kate Winslett is really that small, Leo de Caprio must be really, really little. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 13:19:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10916 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:19:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EIqUF26547; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:52:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EIq2t16348; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from ws2-3.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-74.outblaze.com [205.158.62.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0EIp7t15695 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:51:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 25116 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Jan 2002 18:51:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020114185127.25115.qmail@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from ws2-3.us4.outblaze.com for [156.41.168.26] via web-mailer on Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:51:27 +0800 From: " Sarah Goodman" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Bodices/Corsets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:51:27 +0800 Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: Kevin & Mara Riley Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:50:52 -0500 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Bodices/Corsets > > Anyone have some good leads? > > > > Sarah > > I've seen references to corded stays in the 18th century. Hi Mara, Do you happen to remember where you found those references? I'm trying to see if I can trace it back even further than the 18th c. Ideally, it would be nice to see if they're documentable prior to the 16th century, but I'm not holding my breath on that one. Since most of the corset history books focus primarily on whale bone or reed stiffening, this is sort of difficult to document. Thanks for the info! Sarah ***** Sewing The Seeds Of Rebellion has moved! Please update your links to http://homepage.mac.com/lithiate ***** -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 13:24:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10938 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:24:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EIuVF27143; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:56:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EIu4t18203; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:56:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from ws2-3.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-74.outblaze.com [205.158.62.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0EItSt17910 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:55:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 4110 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Jan 2002 18:55:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20020114185548.4109.qmail@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from ws2-3.us4.outblaze.com for [156.41.168.26] via web-mailer on Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:55:48 +0800 From: " Sarah Goodman" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Bodices/Corsets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:55:48 +0800 Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: Liz / Cozit Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:38:32 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Bodices/Corsets > Colonial Williamsburg keeps their clothing, etc. >right around (just before, just after) the American >Revolution. The man who's been 'the tailor' there >for a number of years has done a lot of research >into that (among other things). Thanks Liz! Would this man be Rick Hill, by any chance? Sarah -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 13:32:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10979 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:32:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EJ4SF28561; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:04:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EJ40t22797; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EJ3vt22757 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:03:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.12a.a8eaff2 (4462) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:04:13 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.a8eaff2.297485ac@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12a.a8eaff2.297485ac_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:04:12 EST Status: RO --part1_12a.a8eaff2.297485ac_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/02 5:10:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes: > > There I have to agree with Mel, I'm afraid. What a horrid idea to > drink your tea *cold*..... If you haven't tried it, don't knock it. Nothing beats a tall glass of ice tea with lemon on a really hot day. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_12a.a8eaff2.297485ac_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/02 5:10:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes:

There I have to agree with Mel, I'm afraid.  What a horrid idea to
drink your tea *cold*..... <shudder!>
      If you haven't tried it, don't knock it.  Nothing beats a tall glass of ice tea with lemon on a really hot day.

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--part1_12a.a8eaff2.297485ac_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 13:36:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11002 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:36:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EJ8SF29234; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:08:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EJ80t25014; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20103.mail.yahoo.com (web20103.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0EJ7jt24868 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:07:46 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020114190812.51098.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.33.4.106] by web20103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:08:12 PST From: Sidonia Ros To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020114185548.4109.qmail@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Tab A into Slot B Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:08:12 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I am currently working on an outfit that calls for a sewn in sleeve. Well, at least partially. The sleeve is sewn into the bodice except for the bottom portion which is left open for extra movement and ventilation. Now, my question is how to go about doing this so it looks right and lays smoothly? Would I finish the sleeve off first and then sew just half of it into the arms eye or would I sew the unfinished sleeve into the arms eye half way and then finish off the remainder of the sleeve separately? That's about as clear as mud I should think. Thank you. Ghislaine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 13:40:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11050 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:40:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EJDTF29954; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:13:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EJD1t27837; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EJC8t27335 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:12:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02724 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:27:45 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-Reply-To: <12a.a8eaff2.297485ac@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:27:45 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 LalahTT@aol.com wrote: > > There I have to agree with Mel, I'm afraid. What a horrid idea to > > drink your tea *cold*..... > > If you haven't tried it, don't knock it. Nothing beats a tall glass > of ice tea with lemon on a really hot day. Ah, but you forget. They don't *have* really hot days in the UK anywhere near the frequency or extremity that we do, so they haven't had occasion to discover that iced tea is the perfect drink for multiweek stretches of 90-degree days. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 13:41:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11058 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:41:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EJDcF29989; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:13:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EJDAt27930; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:13:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0EJCkN27727 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:12:46 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tab A into Slot B Message-ID: <20020114121246.L28964@net.indra.com> References: <20020114185548.4109.qmail@earthlink.net> <20020114190812.51098.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020114190812.51098.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:12:46 -0700 Status: RO On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 11:08:12AM -0800, Sidonia Ros wrote: > Would I finish the sleeve off first and then sew just > half of it into the arms eye or would I sew the > unfinished sleeve into the arms eye half way and then > finish off the remainder of the sleeve separately? When I make a Ghawzee coat, I sew in the top half of the raw sleeve as if it were going in normally. Then I finish the open edges and angle them into the seamed area for a smooth look. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 13:51:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11097 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:51:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EJNTF01761; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:23:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EJN1t03616; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EJMTt03304 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:22:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16QCh5-000Avw-0V for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:22:55 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Clogs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:21:16 +0000 Status: RO Marc Carlson wrote > >>>>Ick. (I really have a personal thing about wooden shoes :) ) >>>LOL! Sorry to hear that. I've got wooden-soled clogs and I think I >>like them for the noise they make > >I seam to have missed the original response, so if there was more to it than >this, please let me know. > >As for people liking them or not, it's a personal thing. There's nothing >wrong with them, or people liking them. However, after spending some >serious time around a number of communes in the 60s, there's just something >about them that reminds me of the less 'fun' aspects of chosing to live a >'primitive' lifestyle with insufficient research. Personally they make my >feet hurt (and their more form fitted descendents, the birkenstocks are even >worse (for me). > >OTOH, I know that other people -do- like them, and they helped keep >bazillions of people's feet dry and safe before the Wellington. I even >brought home a set of Walkeley's clogs for my wife when I was in that part >of Lancashire researching an article on a different clog museum a couple of >years ago (A by appointment or invitation only place in Bacup that it seems >that no one else has ever heard of). > >I don't recall at this point where I heard the story, but there was a thing >about someone who was growing up in the area, and growing up hearing the >sounds of all the hundreds of factory girls clogs on the cobblestones as >they headed up to work in the morning. It's probably not a specific reference - it must have been a common experience. After all, that's where clog dancing developed, from men just getting up in the corner of the pub and making rhythm. Jean > >Marc > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 14:21:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11245 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:21:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EJqSF05607; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:52:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EJq0t19109; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EJoIt18208 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:50:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.87.15ecbdf9 (25512) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:50:25 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <87.15ecbdf9.29749081@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_87.15ecbdf9.29749081_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:50:25 EST Status: RO --part1_87.15ecbdf9.29749081_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/2002 11:31:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, afmmurphy@earthlink.net writes: > The ones we think of are the women designed by nature to be a size 8, > who are starving themselves down to squeeze into a 4. Especially since a size 4 used to be a size 8 a few decades ago. --part1_87.15ecbdf9.29749081_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/2002 11:31:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, afmmurphy@earthlink.net writes:


The ones we think of are the women designed by nature to be a size 8,
who are starving themselves down to squeeze into a 4.


Especially since a size 4 used to be a size 8 a few decades ago.
--part1_87.15ecbdf9.29749081_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 14:26:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11266 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:26:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EJx0F06534; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EJwWt22644; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:58:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EJqUt19453 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:52:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.72.15f63db4 (25512) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:52:46 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <72.15f63db4.2974910e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_72.15f63db4.2974910e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:52:46 EST Status: RO --part1_72.15f63db4.2974910e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/2002 1:17:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, Margo@margospatterns.com writes: > Well, my size 4 pattern sloper is 33" bust, 25" waist. But American sizing > isn't standardized at ALL. Each manufacturer arrives at their own idea of > what sizing should be. This is compounded by "vanity sizing", in which > sizes are labeled much, much smaller than average, to flatter rich ladies > and make them want to buy a size "4" that is really more like an 8 or 10. > Could this be what's happening here? Because, if Kate Winslett is really > that small, Leo de Caprio must be really, really little. > And seeing that her costumes are custom made from patterns drafted for her...... --part1_72.15f63db4.2974910e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/2002 1:17:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, Margo@margospatterns.com writes:


Well, my size 4 pattern sloper is 33" bust, 25" waist.  But American sizing
isn't standardized at ALL.  Each manufacturer arrives at their own idea of
what  sizing should be.  This is compounded by "vanity sizing", in which
sizes are labeled much, much smaller than average, to flatter rich ladies
and make them want to buy a size "4" that is really more like an 8 or 10.
Could this be what's happening here?  Because, if Kate Winslett is really
that small,  Leo de Caprio must be really, really little.


And seeing that her costumes are custom made from patterns drafted for her...... --part1_72.15f63db4.2974910e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 14:27:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11272 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:27:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EK0LF06781; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:00:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EJxst23399; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:59:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx08.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EJrOt20108 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:53:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.169.86.227] (HELO computerb) by dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 71482436 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:01:49 -0500 From: "Shavaylah" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Real Pearls? Message-ID: <004601c19d35$172039e0$e356a942@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <200201141117.AA1476067648@mail.wireweb.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:53:08 -0500 Status: RO How does one tell if a strand of pearls are real or glass pearls? What should I be looking for? Alexandria, Look in your yellow pages for a reputable certified jeweler. X-ray or blacklight testing is a better way of getting the truth and a certificate of authenticity for the money you spend than rubbing them across your teeth which will only tell you if there is an organic surface to the bead but not if its because its a pearl or because its glass that has been dipped in boiled fish scale essence to give it a coating of luster and iridescence . http://www.khojhyderabad.com/fashion/jew/infopearl.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 14:35:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11321 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:35:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EK7nF08030; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:07:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EK7Lt27432; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:07:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f250.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.128]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EJxwt23448 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:59:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:00:20 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.37 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:00:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.37] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 20:00:20.0817 (UTC) FILETIME=[1883CC10:01C19D36] Subject: [h-cost] 1730-1770s furtrapper garb Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:00:20 -0500 Status: RO Hello, dear list! A friend of mine in another state happened to mention to me offhand that she is starting to play with a Rendezvous re-creation group, timeframe 1730-1770. She would like her persona to be a lady furtrapper, of Scottish origin. She's got a birthday coming up, and I'd like to make for her some basics for her kit..... a bonnet, apron, etc. Can anyone recommend any good, basic books, websites, patterns, to get me started? Thanks, Parsla _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 14:57:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11405 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:57:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EKUuF11547; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:30:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EKUSt09758; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:30:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f160.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EKJVt04180 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:19:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:19:53 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.37 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:19:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.37] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 20:19:53.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3461740:01C19D38] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:19:53 -0500 Status: RO >No kidding! My size ranges from 22 to 28 depending on >the manufacturer. And I'm anywhere from a 10 to a 16. Sizes ahve changed over time, though. My mother has many of her clothing from the late 1950s and 1960s. Forty years later, she still has the same measurements and is able to fit these clothes pretty well still. Those clothes tend to be a size 12-14. When she buys clothes today she goes for sizes 4-6-8. Parsla _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 15:27:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11651 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:27:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EKwiF16071; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:58:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EKwFt25963; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:58:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f196.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.196]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EKlOt19716 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:47:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:47:46 -0800 Received: from 164.58.10.125 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:47:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.58.10.125] From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 20:47:46.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[B899F2A0:01C19D3C] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:47:46 -0600 Status: RO >From: Kevin & Mara Riley >I've just got a thing about them because someone told me that they >weren't >worn in the 18th c. by the English (in England) and American colonists, and >I'd love to prove otherwise. I'll keep my eyes open. I don't know about the American colonists, but I'm pretty sure the English didn't just forget about them for a while. >My hubby says he can locate me at the hardware store, when we've gone >off >in different directions, because of the distinctive 'clip, clop' noise they >make. I tend to wear mine with two pairs of socks -- a pair of cotton >socks with a pair of ragg wool socks over them. They don't hurt my feet. >They're good on mud (and in the garden, when I am using a shovel and need >an extra stiff sole), but are treacherous on ice. I can imagine. Marc _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 15:38:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11685 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:38:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ELAQF17900; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:10:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EL9vt02978; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:09:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from ws2-2.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-72.outblaze.com [205.158.62.72]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0EKq2t22289 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 40815 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Jan 2002 20:52:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20020114205223.40802.qmail@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from ws2-2.us4.outblaze.com for [156.41.168.26] via web-mailer on Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:52:22 +0800 From: " Sarah Goodman" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:52:22 +0800 Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: "Parsla Liepa" Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:19:53 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses > > > > >No kidding! My size ranges from 22 to 28 depending on > >the manufacturer. > > And I'm anywhere from a 10 to a 16. > And speaking for the short people here... I can go anywhere from a size 4 to a size 0, depending upon where I'm shopping. All I want is a designer who doesn't believe that all size 2 jeans should have a 32" inseam. As if. -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 15:57:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11766 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:57:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ELSZF20709; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:28:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ELS5t13186; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:28:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ELCTt04649 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:12:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA14172 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:12:57 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic dresses In-Reply-To: <3C430748.7020303@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:12:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, A F Murphy wrote: > Remember, it depends on the original real build of the woman. There > really and truly are women designed by nature to be a size 2. Not > many... but they do exist, with womanly figures, looking lovely, not > skinny. You don't even really notice how small they are until you try to > fit them. That would be my youngest sister, who is actually (if such a thing exists) a Size 0. She's recently begun weightlifting and has consequently put on a few pounds, so she weighs 105 lbs (at about 5'6"). She's quite strong, actually, in a wiry way, and eats a very healthy diet. Wish I had her metabolism... Anyway, she can't find clothes that fit, except in the petite section -- but then the jacket sleeves are too short, and the skirts are so short she looks like Ally McBeal (which is not what she wants). Good thing she can sew. > The ones we think of are the women designed by nature to be a size 8, > who are starving themselves down to squeeze into a 4. That's not pretty, > but it is encouraged in the industry, for many reasons. I've never seen > Winslett in person, let alone fit her, so I have no idea what her build > is like, but it certainly sounds as if this was natural for her. I believe I read that she weighed about 125 lbs at the time the movie was made -- which made all the carping about how chubby she was seem very cruel to me (I was then about 140 lbs at 5'6"). The guys (my hubby and a friend) that I went to see the movie with thought she had a wonderful figure -- I think the terms "ripe" and "edible" were used :D. (snip) > Then, there are also women who are equally truly designed to be a 12 or > a 14, without any extra padding. I understand that, because, if I were > thin, I'd be a 14. My wrists hang out of a 12... But many of these > women, in the business, either give up and become/stay heavy, because no > one will accept their real build, but they can get work if they aren't > expecting to be ingenues, or else they try to starve themselves down to > a 10. They really look like scarecrows... That would be me, too. Even when I weighed about 20 lbs less (back in college), I wore a size 16 because of my broad back and shoulders -- due, I'm sure, to being on swim team for a few years in junior high school. At that point, a dress would fit in the shoulders/arms, but would hang awkwardly otherwise. Now, I'm consistently a size 16 all over, which helps a bit with costuming and patterns. I'm not skinny, but I'm not getting any complaints from my hubby! > Lots of pressure on all, and almost all coming from people who look at > numbers, and don't really *look* at the bodies. > > Anne Ain't it ridiculous? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 15:59:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11771 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:59:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ELWmF21449; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:32:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ELWJt15545; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:32:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ELGxt07011 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:17:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA15116 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:17:27 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Bodices/Corsets In-Reply-To: <20020114185127.25115.qmail@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:17:26 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Sarah Goodman wrote: > Do you happen to remember where you found those references? I'm trying to see if I can trace it back even further than the 18th c. Ideally, it would be nice to see if they're documentable prior to the 16th century, but I'm not holding my breath on that one. Since most of the corset history books focus primarily on whale bone or reed stiffening, this is sort of difficult to document. Thanks for the info! > > Sarah I'll try to track them down, but you might try going to www.groups.yahoo.com and subscribing to the 18thCWomen list, then searching the archives. I know it's come up in email before... Regards, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 16:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11923 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:17:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ELoAF24090; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:50:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ELnft25470; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:49:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ELPwt12034 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:25:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA16788 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:26:13 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1730-1770s furtrapper garb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:26:12 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Why is it that all 'Vousers want to do Scottish? This is one of the best sites on the web about 18th c. clothing: http://www.18cnewenglandlife.org/ You can find patterns for a lot of this sort of thing on the web at http://www.jpryan.com/ -- she's got a 'basic women's kit' pattern that is pretty good and gets you the basic wardrobe. Here's my site -- but a word of warning: there's little/no evidence that Scotswomen (or Scotsmen) retained significantly Scottish costume elements once they made it to the New World. My site is geared toward people reenacting the battle of Culloden etc., in Scotland, not toward the Fur Trapper crowd: http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Scotland2.htm http://www47.pair.com/lindo/18thCWomen.htm I've never seen any evidence that Scotswomen wore blue knit Scots bonnets (tams) in the Colonies. If she's going for accuracy, she should avoid calico "prairie" style camp dresses, etc., which are typically more appropriate for 19th century reenacting. There's also a yahoo group for French and Indian War women reenactors, which she might find helpful: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FandIWomen/ Cheers, Mara On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Parsla Liepa wrote: > > Hello, dear list! > > A friend of mine in another state happened to mention to me offhand that she > is starting to play with a Rendezvous re-creation group, timeframe > 1730-1770. She would like her persona to be a lady furtrapper, of Scottish > origin. She's got a birthday coming up, and I'd like to make for her some > basics for her kit..... a bonnet, apron, etc. > > Can anyone recommend any good, basic books, websites, patterns, to get me > started? > > Thanks, > Parsla _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 16:42:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12030 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:42:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EMFOF28137; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:15:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMEst09933; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:14:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EM2It02859 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:02:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-16-33.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.16.33]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACZ90428; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:02:37 GMT Message-ID: <00c601c19d47$bdb243e0$6a274ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Clogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:30:49 -0000 Status: RO >I've just got a thing about them because someone told me that they weren't worn in the 18th c. by the English (in England) Clog and pattenmakers Company dates back to medieval times, But it is not clear what type of clogs these were. In 1731 the shoemakes guild of Carlisle ordered the discharge of Thomas Scot 'a man that makes women pattons Clogs' but who was not a brother og the Guild or freeman of the city, from making 'Leather Cloggs for Women for that it is belonging to the Shoemakers trade....' 1790 Ann Wheeler quotes an Appleby school boy as saying ' we wur twoa lile lads et hed tae coe et a smiddy, tae hev our new clogs cakert an snoutbandit' 1704 an attempt to export clogs to America 1714 clogger buried at Penrith There is loads more, and it suggests a great number of clogs being worn in Cumberland and northwards in the 18th There is evidence for earlier cloggs too. see clogs or wooden soled shoes Evelyn Vigeon Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 16:56:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12194 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:56:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EMSnF00127; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:28:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMSKt17636; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:28:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMCtt08800 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:12:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.169] (pm5-169.eos.net [205.133.149.169]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23684 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:09:10 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201141818.g0EII5t25513@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Sizes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:07:03 -0500 Status: RO Leonardo de Caprio IS really, really small. Did you happen to see "The Man in the Iron Mask"? I did (unfortunately), and every man in it looked huge compared with him. A woman's size 2 or a size 4 generally fits a young teen. As someone (sorry, I erased it) said, some adult women really do fit in those sizes and look like adult women. But most women who buy their clothes from the teen rack are WAY too skinny. I read an interview with Sarah Michelle Gellar ("Buffy the Vampire Slayer") that quoted her as saying women shouldn't try to look like TV actresses, because they are all on special diets and have personal trainers to look the way they look. I think poor SMG is way too skinny now -- she was cute and round in the first season of "Buffy," and was probably still skinny by normal standards. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 16:59:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12218 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:59:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EMVoF00611; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:31:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMVMt19326; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:31:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from ws2-7.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-82.outblaze.com [205.158.62.82]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0EMF9t10110 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:15:14 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 13411 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Jan 2002 22:15:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20020114221526.13410.qmail@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from ws2-7.us4.outblaze.com for [156.41.168.26] via web-mailer on Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:15:26 +0800 From: " Sarah Goodman" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic dresses Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:15:26 +0800 Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: Kevin & Mara Riley Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:12:55 -0500 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic dresses > On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, A F Murphy wrote: > > Remember, it depends on the original real build of the woman. There > > really and truly are women designed by nature to be a size 2. Not > > many... but they do exist, with womanly figures, looking lovely, not > > skinny. You don't even really notice how small they are until you try to > > fit them. I'm not attacking anyone here, just making some personal observations, but why is it the automatic assumption for people to judge a woman who is a size 2 as being "skinny", "unhealthy", "disgusting", etc. without knowing the exact nature of why the person is that small? Like, speaking from my own experience as being a size two, I'm bombarded on a daily basis from other people who think that my pants size is a legitimate reason to harp about why I don't understand what it's like to have to be conscious of my eating, how I'm unhealthy or "too perfect", etc. Here's the deal. I'm no 5'8, 100 lb supermodel. I'm barely this side of 5 feet tall and proportionally, if you were to blow me up to the standard female height of 5'4-5'6, I'd weigh about 135 lbs and wear a solid size 8. Yeah, that's still small, but that's within the acceptible range of smallness. Being a size 2 is not socially acceptible to talk about and I get dirty looks when I try to make this statement. If I were to flip this statement around and say that I was overweight and the subject of ridicule from my co-workers, people would be outraged on my behalf. But not so if I say I'm 100 lbs and the subject of office ridicule. The double standard is pretty ridiculous. It's more ridiculous that it's even an issue at all... Everyone is built differently, blah blah blah. :) Sarah -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:02:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12271 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:02:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EMYYF01177; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:34:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMY6t20953; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:34:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EM6St05138 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:06:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-16-33.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.16.33]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACZ90675; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:06:48 GMT Message-ID: <00e901c19d48$5296b860$6a274ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:10:48 -0000 Status: RO >Ah, but you forget. They don't *have* really hot days in the UK anywhere near the frequency or extremity that we do, so they haven't had occasion to discover that iced tea is the perfect drink for multiweek stretches of 90-degree days. Oh yes we do (stamp of foot) we had at least three sunny days this summer Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:02:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12275 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:02:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EMYrF01219; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:34:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMYNt21107; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:34:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EM8ft06272 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:08:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:09:04 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.37 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:09:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.37] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1730-1770s furtrapper garb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 22:09:04.0074 (UTC) FILETIME=[13EF4AA0:01C19D48] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:09:03 -0500 Status: RO Wow! Thanks, Mara! Not only for the quick response, but also for the wealth of information contained within your response! I know -absolutely nothing- of this ilk, as it is Not My Period, so looks like I've got lots of reading ahead of me. Parsla >From: Kevin & Mara Riley > >Why is it that all 'Vousers want to do Scottish? > >This is one of the best sites on the web about 18th c. clothing: >http://www.18cnewenglandlife.org/ > >You can find patterns for a lot of this sort of thing on the web at >http://www.jpryan.com/ -- she's got a 'basic women's kit' pattern that is >pretty good and gets you the basic wardrobe. > >Here's my site -- but a word of warning: there's little/no evidence that >Scotswomen (or Scotsmen) retained significantly Scottish costume elements >once they made it to the New World. My site is geared toward people >reenacting the battle of Culloden etc., in Scotland, not toward the Fur >Trapper crowd: >http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Scotland2.htm >http://www47.pair.com/lindo/18thCWomen.htm > >I've never seen any evidence that Scotswomen wore blue knit Scots bonnets >(tams) in the Colonies. > >If she's going for accuracy, she should avoid calico "prairie" style camp >dresses, etc., which are typically more appropriate for 19th century >reenacting. > >There's also a yahoo group for French and Indian War women reenactors, >which she might find helpful: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FandIWomen/ > >Cheers, >Mara > > >On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Parsla Liepa wrote: > > > > > Hello, dear list! > > > > A friend of mine in another state happened to mention to me offhand that >she > > is starting to play with a Rendezvous re-creation group, timeframe > > 1730-1770. She would like her persona to be a lady furtrapper, of >Scottish > > origin. She's got a birthday coming up, and I'd like to make for her >some > > basics for her kit..... a bonnet, apron, etc. > > > > Can anyone recommend any good, basic books, websites, patterns, to get >me > > started? > > > > Thanks, > > Parsla > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:04:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12285 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:04:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EMaTF01451; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:36:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMa0t22160; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMZ5t21537 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:35:05 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id OAA18231 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:52:48 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201142252.OAA18231@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:52:48 -0800 (PST) Status: RO The buckle type (both with a "bar" and the type I've seen called a "monk's shoe") are older than the lace up types. However, I don't think you can stretch either of those earlier than 1700 or so. The slip on type at the very bottom of Walkey's catalogue page is a modern adaptation, so is the caterer's clog with a heel strap. Both those forms show up on the continent, but the only slip ons like that I've seen in english shoes are pattens made to go over fancier shoes. Slip ons that have a heel counter can be made with leather or wooden uppers (in which case they're more akin to sabot or scandinavian clogs). If anyone has done research on the earlier types of shoe in england, sing out. My knowledge has a big gap between pampooties and similar soft shoes to the mid 1700s. I know that you didn't get close-fitting clogs until there were right and left lasts. That's mostly important because you don't seen the more complicated forms of stepdancing until you get shoes that will stay on your feet for steps more complicated than stomping. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" :wq _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:08:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12308 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:08:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EMfUF02215; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:41:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMf2t25081; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20306.mail.yahoo.com (web20306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0EMedt24877 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:40:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020114224103.96753.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:41:03 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sizes To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:41:03 -0800 (PST) Status: RO My daughter & I love to shop together, just to see the look on the sales lady's face when we ask to see what she has in size 2 and size 28! 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Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:09:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12315 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:09:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EMgnF02522; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:42:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMgLt25969; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:42:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMfat25446 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:41:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 62B683A80F9 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:42:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00ab01c19d55$24226760$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sizes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:42:34 -0600 Status: RO I used to be a size 3, until I quit smoking and had 3 more babies. I'm five feet tall, with a very small frame. I looked GOOD. Wish I still looked like that. I'm working on it! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Sizes > > > Leonardo de Caprio IS really, really small. Did you happen to see "The Man > in the Iron Mask"? I did (unfortunately), and every man in it looked huge > compared with him. > > A woman's size 2 or a size 4 generally fits a young teen. As someone (sorry, > I erased it) said, some adult women really do fit in those sizes and look > like adult women. But most women who buy their clothes from the teen rack > are WAY too skinny. > > I read an interview with Sarah Michelle Gellar ("Buffy the Vampire Slayer") > that quoted her as saying women shouldn't try to look like TV actresses, > because they are all on special diets and have personal trainers to look the > way they look. I think poor SMG is way too skinny now -- she was cute and > round in the first season of "Buffy," and was probably still skinny by > normal standards. > > Gail Finke > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:14:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12346 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:14:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EMlTF03350; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:47:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMl1t28696; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.sunflower.com (smtp.sunflower.com [24.124.0.128]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMkAt28211 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:46:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from cliff.sunflower.com (cliff.sunflower.com [24.124.0.140]) by smtp.sunflower.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0EMkYv30573 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:46:34 -0600 Message-Id: <200201142246.g0EMkYv30573@smtp.sunflower.com> Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain charset=us-ascii Subject: re: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches X-Origin-Ip: 129.237.252.12 From: mdevries@sunflower.com X-Mailer: Franklin Web E-mail To: In-Reply-To: <00e901c19d48$5296b860$6a274ed5@pavilion>; from MelanieWilson@bigfoot.com on Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:10:48 -0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mdevries@sunflower.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:46:34 -0000 Status: RO > > Oh yes we do (stamp of foot) we had at least three sunny > days this summer > Mel > But at least three sunny days do not equal weeks of consecutive days over 100 degrees, which is why I enjoy my iced peppermint tea here in Kansas. I would give anything to live in a milder clime where hot tea were always the best choice! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:15:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12356 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:15:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EMmTF03508; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:48:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMm1t29227; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMljt29107 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:47:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id PAA18560 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:05:29 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201142305.PAA18560@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:05:29 -0800 (PST) Status: RO >Walkleys are pretty good but I recently found a page with a list of >traditional cloggers in the UK some of which make their own soles (rather >than machine them ) It is a work I think so I'll try & post it on Monday That would be this page: http://www.apriori.net/~paz/buyclog.html I put out the Walkley's page because none of the traditional clogmakers has _photos_ of their work on their pages. I've bought from Walter Hurst and Trefor Owen before. Trefor definitely does historical types, though I'm not sure how far back he goes. I know someone local who has a pair of 1860s reproduction clogs (he used to dance for Horwich Prize Medal). His clogs were made by Trefor. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:23:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12381 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:23:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EMuVF04744; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:56:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMu1t03612; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13602.mail.yahoo.com (web13602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.113]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0EMtrt03550 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:55:54 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020114225620.45747.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.126.129.182] by web13602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:56:20 PST From: Michelle Hain To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C43BAC6.6080703@bigpond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Intro and farthingale question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:56:20 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Hi all, I have lurked on this list for quite a while and have found it to be a wonderful source of information, so I thought I would come out and introduce myself. So...I've been sewing for about a decade and am currently in the middle of FIDM's (Fashion Institute of Design and Merchandising) Theatre Costume Design program. My main focus is 18th century women's dress, but I also love Burgundian and am recently getting into Tudor and Elizabethan dress. I run a small historical costuming company, mostly working with local theater groups. So this leads me to my question... I need to make a farthingale for an Elizabethan gown. The problem is that I need to make it FAST (it's for a performance Thursday night). I don't have time to order hoop steel from the place I usually get it, so I am wondering if any of you know of a good substitute for hoop steel that can be found at a hardware store or similar place. It doesn't need to be authentic, nor particularly durable (this will probably be a one time use piece), it just needs to give the proper silhouette. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Michelle....the frazzled __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:25:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12392 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:25:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EMwTF04988; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:58:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMw1t04692; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMvVt04415 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:57:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-16-33.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.16.33]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACZ94041; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:57:57 GMT Message-ID: <01fb01c19d4f$77bc7060$6a274ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <200201142305.PAA18560@gw.retro.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:01:56 -0000 Status: RO >That would be this page: http://www.apriori.net/~paz/buyclog.html Yes it was down when I tried yesterday & today >I put out the Walkley's page because none of the traditional clogmakers has _photos_ of their work on their pages. I've bought from Walter Hurst and Trefor Owen before. Trefor definitely does historical types, though I'm not sure how far back he goes. I know someone local who has a pair of 1860s reproduction clogs (he used to dance for Horwich Prize Medal). His clogs were made by Trefor. I was hoping to get some from Trefor, as yet I've not found exactly what, have you any pictures for circa 1812 ? ladies ? By any chance ? Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:25:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12396 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:25:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EMwZF05018; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:58:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMw6t04749; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:58:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMvmt04594 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:57:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id PAA18690 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:15:33 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201142315.PAA18690@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:15:33 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > From: "Marc Carlson" [about clogs] > 'primitive' lifestyle with insufficient research. Personally they make my > feet hurt (and their more form fitted descendents, the birkenstocks are even > worse (for me). Actually, clogs in the 1700-1900 eras were fitted for the wearer's foot. The method I've been told was to carve the outline of the sole out, then have the wearer put on a leather sock, have them step on a bed of coals with that foot, then immediately place their (very hot) foot on the clog footbed. The footbed was then carved out to match the shape of the wearer's foot. Since this is no longer done, _now_ we have foot problems wearing them. Even the clogmakers who still hand-carve their footbeds don't do arch supports anymore. This could go a long way towards explaining why every single clog dancer I know has foot problems. I took my pairs to the podiatrist and had a high-tech version of custom-fitted footbed rigged out with foam padding. Back to that "insufficient research" bit, I guess... Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:27:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12402 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:27:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0EN0UF05267; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:00:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EN01t05765; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0EMx6t05346 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:59:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-16-33.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.16.33]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACZ94108; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:59:29 GMT Message-ID: <020001c19d4f$ae9bae20$6a274ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <200201142246.g0EMkYv30573@smtp.sunflower.com> Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:03:28 -0000 Status: RO >But at least three sunny days do not equal weeks of consecutive days over 100 degrees, really ? you must mean the old fashioned F things cause that is boiling water here ;) >which is why I enjoy my iced peppermint tea here in Kansas. I would give anything to live in a milder clime where hot tea were always the best choice! Naw it is definatly NOT all it is cracked up to be I plan to retire to France SW or S soon.... Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:38:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12450 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:38:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ENBXF06461; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:11:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENB1t11688; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENAAt11295 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:10:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from 66-44-26-96.s1620.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.26.96] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16QGFN-0005Ci-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:10:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3C4366DC.5E5F30CB@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] skirt-waist help Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:16:44 -0500 Status: RO Hi, I could use some help from the more experienced folk here. I'm working on a high-waisted skirt that will be hook & eye'd to the bodice. I've never done something that fit like this, so I'm wondering about the waist height of the skirt. Right now I've got a line of pins marking where the bodice hits it. Before I cut off excess skirt waist (the bottom is hemmed, the top is waiting), how high beneath the bodice should the waist of the skirt go to connect with hooks & eyes? I know it can't be an even meet because that would allow for "gaposis". What is normal in these situations? Thanks, Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:44:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12495 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:44:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ENGTF06983; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:16:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENG0t14119; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENFlt14010 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:15:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.39]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020114231614.WWWQ658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:16:14 -0600 Message-ID: <3C43667F.2020509@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exciting News!!!! References: <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:15:11 -0600 Status: RO Tons of congratulations and hugs Penny!! You deserve it totaly!! Katie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:49:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12521 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:49:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ENLTF07747; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:21:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENL0t16969; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20306.mail.yahoo.com (web20306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0ENK7t16496 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:20:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020114232030.16092.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:20:30 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Yes, that 12th Century harper is back w/another question! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:20:30 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I have inherited enough very light-weight red wool to make a calf-length short-sleeved over-tunic for my growing 12th century wardrobe. But something in my wee brontosaurus brain is not 2000% positive that red is an appropriate color - this color is sort of "a-little-too-reddish-to-be-called-burgundy." Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:53:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12592 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:53:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ENPhF08384; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:25:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENPEt19175; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:25:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENN8t18071 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:23:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from 209-162-39-84.thegrid.net ([209.162.39.84]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QGRv-0004E9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:23:32 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro and farthingale question From: Sarah Lorriane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020114225620.45747.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:21:43 -0800 Status: RO on 1/14/02 2:56 PM, Michelle Hain at mesmerism00@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I have lurked on this list for quite a while and have > found it to be a wonderful source of information, so I > thought I would come out and introduce myself. > So...I've been sewing for about a decade and am > currently in the middle of FIDM's (Fashion Institute > of Design and Merchandising) Theatre Costume Design > program. > > My main focus is 18th century women's dress, but I > also love Burgundian and am recently getting into > Tudor and Elizabethan dress. I run a small historical > costuming company, mostly working with local theater > groups. > > So this leads me to my question... I need to make a > farthingale for an Elizabethan gown. The problem is > that I need to make it FAST (it's for a performance > Thursday night). I don't have time to order hoop > steel from the place I usually get it, so I am > wondering if any of you know of a good substitute for > hoop steel that can be found at a hardware store or > similar place. It doesn't need to be authentic, nor > particularly durable (this will probably be a one time > use piece), it just needs to give the proper > silhouette. Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance, > > Michelle....the frazzled Okay, I'm plygging myself here... Try this out and see if it works for you: http://homepage.mac.com/lithiate/homedepot.html To see what sort of farthingale this makes, check this out: http://homepage.mac.com/lithiate/alcegafarthing.html Hope this helps! Sarah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:55:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12603 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:55:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ENPVF08322; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:25:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENP2t19057; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta01-srv.alltel.net (mta01.alltel.net [166.102.165.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENN3t18032 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from 7lxf9yuvk ([162.40.207.210]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20020114232330.ZJBN6264.mta01-srv.alltel.net@7lxf9yuvk> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:23:30 -0600 From: "Jamie Zdziarski" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Victorian Button Hook? Message-ID: <011101c19d52$7ae74320$0200000a@7lxf9yuvk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:23:31 -0500 Status: RO I really should read all my messages before replying LOL....anyhow I would do that but I have no clue what my member name and password is...and it's not accepting my email, so until I figure it out, my question will have to wait LOL..... -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Maggie Secara Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:14 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Victorian Button Hook? Elizabeth has set the list so it doesn't accept attachments. Maybe there's a web site you can post them on, or you could pop onto the Community Zero "H-Costume Swap and Sell" http://www.communityzero.com/hcostume/ and post it there. (Make sure you mark it not for sale, unless you want to sell it :) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 7:53 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian Button Hook? > > > Love to see the images, but your attachments didn't arrive. > > Jamie Zdziarski writes, in a message sent 09:24 PM 1/13/02 -0500: > > > > > >Hi! I'm usually just a lurker, but I came across this tool in a huge > >bag of costume jewelry that I obtained from a flea market. My first > >thought was of a button hook for Victorian high button shoes, I did a > >search on Ebay, in which I found a few button hooks but were a lot more > >detailed and most made of silver. So can anyone confirm that this is > >indeed a button hook? I attached 2 pictures of it, it is severely rusted > >but has a beautiful design on the handle if anyone knows how I may > >remove the rust with out damaging the pattern, please let me know. > >Thanks for your help! > > > >Jamie Z. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:57:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12609 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:57:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ENTUF08992; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:29:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENT1t21110; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENSIt20760 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:28:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id PAA19130 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:46:03 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201142346.PAA19130@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:46:03 -0800 (PST) Status: RO >I was hoping to get some from Trefor, as yet I've not found exactly what, >have you any pictures for circa 1812 ? ladies ? By any chance ? I'm a stepdancer, so I'm more worried about being able to dance in my clogs than how period they are. ;} Most stepdancers buy lace-up uppers with "duck toes", that is, the toe turns up sharply at about a 45 degree angle and the soles are lighter. From what I've been able to find, the common lady's clog, at least in Lancashire, was the bar clog, which for americans looks like a Mary Jane shoe with a wooden sole. A lot of modern stepdancers wear mary janes with taps on them instead of clogs since they're easier and cheaper to get these days. A couple of cloggers from Yorkshire thought my partner and I were crazy for wearing clogs _with irons_. I've begun to suspect that the very high tempos used for West Moorland and Cumbria styles of stepdance have more to do with the switch to lighter shoes than any real regional difference. The Cape Breton and Quebecois dancers on this continent have noticed similar rising tempos, pushed by competitions and lighter shoes. Even the old hobnail soled shoes that were more common for irish dance are _much_ heavier than the shoes used now. So one has to wonder what the real historical style looked and sounded like. Lancashire and Durham clog seem to have kept their slower tempos, possibly because the steps are much too complicated to push up to ridiculous speeds. Ah, last thing. If you really want to be a stickler for historical looks, you need to buy your clogs with irons on the bottoms. This may not be practical if you intend to ever wear your clogs in someone's home or on a wooden stage. The irons look rather like pony shoes and do the same type of damage. Rubber bottoms retain some of the same look without the destructive possibilities. It also deadens the sound some, which many would consider a plus. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:58:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12667 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:58:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ENVUF09270; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:31:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENV1t22190; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop012pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.239]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENUdt21995 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:30:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (pool-151-199-133-194.norf.east.verizon.net [151.199.133.194]) by pop012pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g0ENUx9V020623 Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:31:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020114233148.0070a5bc@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hemp (word useage) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:31:48 -0500 Status: RO At 07:55 PM 1/13/02 -0800, you wrote: >So where did you get this cloth? Inquiring minds want to know. > >Also, I'm told that hemp so resembles linen that in some cases it can be >mistaken for it. This has led to some mis-interpretations and >mis-attributions by museums, or so I am told. > Not exactly a mis-interpretation. Through much of history the word linen did NOT specifically mean fabric woven from flax. In fact the type of linen reffered to frequently in the 18th century as Russian, or sometimes russian drill is believed to be made from hemp. Two sources showing this (accoriding to Bryan Howard's HAD ON HIM are Rolt, Richard A NEW DICTIONARY OF TRADE AND COMMERCE, London (1761) and THE APPLICATION of the MONEY GRANTED by PARLIMENT in the YEARS 1765, to the DUBLIN SOCIETY, for the ENCOURAGEMENT of CERTAIN TRADES and MANAFACTURES. . His quotes of Postlethwayt (1774)in which he states of linen "There are a variety of sorts, the cheif materials of which are cotten, flax and hemp". Rolt (1761) apparently also says all three of these fabrics are linen In fact I have not seen reference to Hemp as a cloth name until very recently (my life time) although it was used as a source fiber for linen for centuries. Of course, having said that, a quick perusal of the OED for modern usage does not show the word being used to describe hemp today, and goes so far as to Correct Johnson's dictionary! Johnson says that linen is "Cloth of flax or Hemp" and the Oed believes that Johnson is "mistakenly quoting loose useage". This is a common sort of mistake I have seen in the OED (which is why one source of documentation is never good). They will occasionally insist their modern useage is the correct (over in this case both Johnson and at least Postlethwayt writing within the period) and some times they will document their definition to an earlier date than is documentable by their quote. Two examples. 1. Whitesmith. OED states that a whitesmith either works with tin, or with iron or steel the finished product being polished white. They give a pre my 1770 reference which amounts to something like "There was a white smith in the town". I do not remember the actual quote or year, and am to lazy to go back up and pull it out again. Importance being that the definition WAS not documentable by the sentence, just that the word was in use. The blacksmith's at work insist that in the third quarter of the 18th century only the second definition was in use. So, I asked them how they knew that to be true. The blacksmith's pulled adds listing the products sold by whitesmiths, all of which were iron and steel. 2. Lunch. I had been taught that lunch was a nineteenth century abbreiviation of luncheon, a rather new word on its own. The OED on the other hand shows lunch, meaning a mid day meal, and gives a 13th century (if I recall correctly) example. The example was "Ate a lunch of cheese". Now at work the food ways department claims that a lunch is a small amount that may be eaten in hand. I have no idea if they have documentation fo that, I have not seen reference to the word being used in the 18th century (save the OED references) and have not asked for them for it (I do not use the word at work since I know it was at least uncommon). My only point is that if foodways is right, you can see that the definition give could mean either. The person either ate lunch consisting of cheese, or ate a small amount of cheese, dont really know which do we.... Anyway, enough wordsmithing, Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 17:59:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12675 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:59:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ENVeF09308; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:31:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENVBt22273; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:31:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENUnt22094 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:30:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p214-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.212.214]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id MAA15356 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:31:14 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p214-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.212.214] claimed to be user Message-ID: <009701c19d52$a1928de0$d6d4adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:24:34 +1300 Status: RO > Some time ago I asked the list about US vs. UK sizes and was told they were, in theory, the same. BUT the smallest woman's size sold in the UK is an 8, so I can't imagine what these 2s and 4s are like! I just bought yesterday a stunning coat/skirt set: Christopher Lai (who is?) in a size 6 US. Now that doesn't mean anything by itself, but it does have other sizes: UK 8 (10 NZ I think, and it makes sense, 10NZ was a model size when I was reading Sweet valley high, and the twins were "model size" 6US) FRA 38 EUR 36 Does france have smaller inches than everyone else??? I am assuming that's what the 36/38 is.. bust or hip measurement though? I'm assuming hip as I am 36 bust and 39 hip, and the skirt is too tight but the coat fits perfectly (perfectly matched houndstooth and check pattern too)-I am small up top with a big bum. I know NZ has increased their sizes, they are now comparable to AUS, where before our 10s were their 8s- so I always felt beter in Aussie sizes;) And I am made to feel grotesquely overweight by the industry, the only roles I used to get were covered from neck to toe in layers of ragged material- and far in the background. I did get down to a real size 10NZ (34, 28, 36 approx) and suddenly got much more 'attractive' roles- and back at the size I am now (12NZ) I'm at the very limit of acceptability, and not for featuring. I am 5'7", and don't go by weight at all. 120lbs would be terribly underweight yet for other women my height it looks great. Bone stucture, weight distribution, musculature... and then measurements can be misleading too... michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 18:00:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12689 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:00:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ENXUF09630; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:33:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENX1t23234; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENWot23122 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:32:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.70.162577d0 (661) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:33:07 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <70.162577d0.2974c4b3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1730-1770s furtrapper garb To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_70.162577d0.2974c4b3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:33:07 EST Status: RO --part1_70.162577d0.2974c4b3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/2002 5:36:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, pliepa@hotmail.com writes: > Wow! Thanks, Mara! Not only for the quick response, but also for the > wealth of information contained within your response! Yes...great web sites. I worked on "Last of the Mohicans" and, though not completely accurate, I did learn that most trappers, being out in the wilderness, living off the land, so to speak, adopted many Native American habits and garments. After all, they worked for these people for centuries. You may want to investigate some tribal garments [like breechclouts]. Many of the trappers and guides in the film were dressed in a mixture of Indian and Western things....and the western wear [justicorps, shirts, sleeved waistcoats] were made from Indian materials and decorated with Indian craftsmanship. --part1_70.162577d0.2974c4b3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/2002 5:36:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, pliepa@hotmail.com writes:


Wow!  Thanks, Mara!  Not only for the quick response, but also for the
wealth of information contained within your response!


Yes...great web sites.

I worked on "Last of the Mohicans" and, though not completely accurate, I did learn that most trappers, being out in the wilderness, living off the land, so to speak, adopted many Native American habits and garments. After all, they worked for these people for centuries. You may want to investigate some tribal garments [like breechclouts]. Many of the trappers and guides in the film were dressed in a mixture of Indian and Western things....and the western wear [justicorps, shirts,  sleeved waistcoats] were made from Indian materials and decorated with Indian craftsmanship. --part1_70.162577d0.2974c4b3_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 18:02:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12705 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:02:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ENZTF09876; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:35:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENZ0t24228; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENYGt23819 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:34:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.39]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020114233439.XIRC658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:34:39 -0600 Message-ID: <3C436AD1.5070609@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Size 0 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:33:37 -0600 Status: RO Mara wrote: > That would be my youngest sister, who is actually (if such a thing exists) > a Size 0. She's recently begun weightlifting and has consequently put on > a few pounds, so she weighs 105 lbs (at about 5'6"). She's quite strong, > actually, in a wiry way, and eats a very healthy diet. Wish I had her > metabolism... Anyway, she can't find clothes that fit, except in the > petite section -- but then the jacket sleeves are too short, and the > skirts are so short she looks like Ally McBeal (which is not what she > wants). Good thing she can sew. > > I can vouche for the Size 0. Before I got pregnant w/my daughter, the only place I could get jeans was in the Jr's department and they had to be "longs". I am about 5'5", and back then was lucky to get to 100 lbs dispite what I ate. While I was pregnant I got up to 130, and still had skinny arms and legs. Picture if you will a stick figure with a "snowman's" body. *LOL* After I had her I dropped down to about 100 lbs, and went to The 5-7-9 Shop for jeans that were size 0. Then we moved to Germany and the beer and brautwierst took me up to 150. Now I hover around 130 and wear a size 12 jeans. Everyone says "you aren't fat", but when you consider what I used to see in the mirror I still can't look at myself in the full length mirror in the bathroom. *LOL* Katie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 18:20:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12797 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:20:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ENqUF11893; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:52:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ENq1t02943; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0ENpat02744 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:51:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 47448 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jan 2002 23:51:37 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-79.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.79) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 23:51:37 -0000 Message-ID: <004401c19d4d$833955e0$5e5efea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: <72.15f63db4.2974910e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C19D23.99C49CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:47:57 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C19D23.99C49CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As far as the sizing issue goes, the collectors had their next-door = neighbor (who is a curvy size 4) try on the "jump" dress. It was a = perfect fit. So it wasn't a "vanity" size four, but it fit a person who = is truly a standard size 4 (if there is such a thing as a standard = anymore!). At any rate, recall that Kate Winslet wore a corset beneath = the gown, while this little petite lady just put the dress on over her = regular underthings. That makes me think Winslet is probably around a 6 = or even an 8 -- then got squeezed down by the corset. :-) Cheers, Jennie - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C19D23.99C49CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As far as the sizing issue goes, the = collectors had their next-door neighbor (who is a curvy size 4) try on the "jump" = dress. It was a perfect fit. So it wasn't a "vanity" size four, but it fit a person = who is truly a standard size 4 (if there is such a thing as a standard = anymore!). At any rate, recall that Kate Winslet wore a corset beneath the gown, while = this little petite lady just put the dress on over her regular underthings. = That makes me think Winslet is probably around a 6 or even an 8 -- then got = squeezed down by the corset.
 
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References: <20020114232030.16092.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:55:29 -0600 Status: RO Here is a list of what plants/bugs where used and what color they produced. http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/dye-list-art.html I found a yahoo group the other day that deals with the actual dyeing process, I know it it exsist cause I went there to look up a recipe for Brazil wood. Let me hunt it down again. But if I remember correctly the hue depends on the time of the wool in the dye bath. Katie Joan Garner wrote: > I have inherited enough very light-weight red wool to > make a calf-length short-sleeved over-tunic for my > growing 12th century wardrobe. But something in my > wee brontosaurus brain is not 2000% positive that red > is an appropriate color - this color is sort of > "a-little-too-reddish-to-be-called-burgundy." > > Iohanna the Harper > [Joan Hall] > "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" > "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 18:29:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12852 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:29:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F01bF12997; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:01:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F018t07409; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:01:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F00Rt07018 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:00:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumemag.com (co-trinidad1a-171.lbrlks.adelphia.net [24.49.5.171]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04904 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:58:38 -0600 Message-ID: <3C4373D4.E4BF728C@costumemag.com> From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro and farthingale question References: <20020114225620.45747.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:12:04 -0700 Status: RO Since you are in LA, call over to AlterYears in Pasadena. They will fix you up. Phone # is on their web site, http://www.alteryears.com Hope this helps, MD/Marged _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 18:32:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12910 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:32:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F05UF13553; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:05:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F050t09312; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F04Ut09039 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:04:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from att.net ([12.77.142.218]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020115000452.VIBG941.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:04:52 +0000 Message-ID: <3C43730E.87462E90@att.net> From: Crissy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro and farthingale question References: <20020114225620.45747.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:08:46 -0500 Status: RO Try at your local home improvement store ( Lowe's, Home Depot, etc,) for the steel strapping tape that they use to hold the large bundles of wood or fence sections together. Ususally free if you just ask the guy on duty in that area. Don't forget the duck tape to tape the pieces together! Good luck! Crissy Michelle Hain wrote: > Hi all, > > I have lurked on this list for quite a while and have > found it to be a wonderful source of information, so I > thought I would come out and introduce myself. > So...I've been sewing for about a decade and am > currently in the middle of FIDM's (Fashion Institute > of Design and Merchandising) Theatre Costume Design > program. > > My main focus is 18th century women's dress, but I > also love Burgundian and am recently getting into > Tudor and Elizabethan dress. I run a small historical > costuming company, mostly working with local theater > groups. > > So this leads me to my question... I need to make a > farthingale for an Elizabethan gown. The problem is > that I need to make it FAST (it's for a performance > Thursday night). I don't have time to order hoop > steel from the place I usually get it, so I am > wondering if any of you know of a good substitute for > hoop steel that can be found at a hardware store or > similar place. It doesn't need to be authentic, nor > particularly durable (this will probably be a one time > use piece), it just needs to give the proper > silhouette. Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance, > > Michelle....the frazzled > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 18:37:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12947 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:37:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F09aF14098; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:09:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F097t11050; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:09:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F089t10641 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:08:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.153.73bb0d8 (18710) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:08:26 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <153.73bb0d8.2974ccfa@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Size 0 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:08:26 EST Status: RO In a message dated 14/1/02 5:36:00 PM, nejma@tds.net writes: << Everyone says "you aren't fat", but when you consider what I used to see in the mirror I still can't look at myself in the full length mirror in the bathroom. >> Isn't body/self image wonderful? I weighed 285, dropped down to 115 (with a lot of walking and watching what I ate) had 2 kids and am currently at about 160 aiming for about 130 or 135, ya know I still see the 285 pound blob in the mirror and I was a major blob at that point. What I can't seem to understand is where the clothing manufacturers get their size charts. I have 3 pair of Lee jeans, bought the same day by different people at the same store. All are size 12, one pair is huge (too long too wide etc) on me (they are my once a month jeans), one pair I can just put on and wear, the third pair are the ones I wear on "good ass days". If I try to get them on on an off day I have to do the lay down with pliers and breathe IN! They are all the same style, size, cut and number. Identical on the tags, not in the wearing. Who dreams these things up. I used to wear Wranglers when I was growing up and it didn't matter, I could just tell my mom to pick me up a new pair of jeans and they'd fit. Now I have to try on every single pair, I don't even think of myself as one size or another, just whatever fits. Is it me or have the jeans manufacturers gone whakka whakka? Confusedly, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 18:39:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12958 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:39:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F09TF14072; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:09:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F090t11013; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20303.mail.yahoo.com (web20303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0F082t10580 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:08:02 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020115000829.51049.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:08:29 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic dresses To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020114221526.13410.qmail@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:08:29 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Sarah Goodman wrote: Being a size 2 is not socially > acceptible to talk about and I get dirty looks when > I try to make this statement. If I didn't have a size 2 daughter in her 30's, I'd probably be one of the people giving the dirty looks. It can easily feel brutally unfair that some people don't have to constantly diet! I never ever get to just relax and eat what I want and after 15 months of dieting and losing 80+ pounds, I am still considered by most people too fat to be attractive. However, my daughter has sensitized me -- I see the dirty looks my poor baby gets and I know that she doesn't binge-and-purge or starve or anything like that. She's just naturally the size she is. It's just cosmically unfair that she's naturally the size we're "supposed to be" and I'm naturally a socially unacceptable size!! Note the theme here: "unfair." However, a very non-musical but slender friend pointed out to me that she would love to be able to sing but has a horrible voice (sad but true!). Although she's very supportive and comes to my concerts, recitals, bought the cd, etc. she feels that sting of "it's not fair" about my voice every bit as much as I feel it about her size. I guess the answer is to somehow build a world where it's ok to just be the size you are. Then we size 28's won't feel bitter & angry that you're a size 2 because we won't be torturing ourselves with hunger!! Well, I'm going to get off this soap box and go lie down with a damp cloth on my forehead! (Actually I'm going to pour another cup of coffe & get back to work.) Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 18:41:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12985 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:41:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F0EUF14711; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:14:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F0E1t13140; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F0DSt12926 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:13:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2075.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.75]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09237 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:13:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3C4373A5.32DC0EFD@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric questions References: <20020111163202.46266.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> <3C406637.39B84AD8@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:11:17 -0500 Status: RO Hi. If you are doing reenactment or RenFaire where you might be close to open flames, I always recommend 100% natural fabrics. The nice thing about the Internet is that you can find great deals on just about any fabric (even silks and linens). You will get a different look from brushed denim than wool, but if your group allows it, then that is up to them and their costume standards. As was mentioned before, denim is short for Serge de Nimes. Although serge as a name is a worsted woolen twill, the name denim was only associated with a cotton twill in the 1770s (in the black or blue color that we associate it with today). fustian is a linen warp (for strength, I suppose), and a cotton weft. It can also be a wool/cotton fabric, and the cotton in this fabric is usually napped using the supplementary weft compound weaving method (the kind used on corduroy, where the weft floats are trimmed to create a pile or nappy surface like that of prepared wool). An inexpensive alternative to fustian is a material used in theater called Duvetyne. It comes in many colors, and is usually fire treated, so it needs to be washed before wearing (I assume, though, that everyone washes their fabric before making anything). To the best of my knowledge, it is 100% cotton, though, and rips easily either across (from selvedge to selvedge) or up and down when stressed, so it may not be suitable for clothing. Good Luck, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 18:45:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13012 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:45:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F0IUF15196; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:18:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F0I1t14869; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F0Hft14762 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:17:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.39]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020115001804.YJSL658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:18:04 -0600 Message-ID: <3C4374FD.6040104@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yes, that 12th Century harper is back w/another question! References: <20020114232030.16092.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:17:01 -0600 Status: RO Found it!! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA_NaturalDyes/ on the "look for a group" page it says it is a public list...but when I went to it there was no option for posting. Katie Joan Garner wrote: > I have inherited enough very light-weight red wool to > make a calf-length short-sleeved over-tunic for my > growing 12th century wardrobe. But something in my > wee brontosaurus brain is not 2000% positive that red > is an appropriate color - this color is sort of > "a-little-too-reddish-to-be-called-burgundy." > > Iohanna the Harper > [Joan Hall] > "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" > "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 18:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13033 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:48:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F0LUF15603; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:21:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F0L1t16182; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F0KYt15999 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:20:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19045 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p52.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.180]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA12283 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:21:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201150021.TAA12283@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Exciting News!!!! In-Reply-To: <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:16:20 -0500 Status: RO At 03:49 AM 01/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Everyone, > >Some VERY exciting things are about to happen in the next couple of weeks. >So I am going to jump right into it and let you know.... My BIG BREAK is >about to happen!!!!! (so sorry to those who receive this several times) Congratulations, and good luck! -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 18:49:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13051 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:49:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F0MUF15724; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:22:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F0M1t16582; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F0L4t16215 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:21:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2075.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.75]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06527 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:21:35 -0500 Message-ID: <3C43756E.968353BE@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hemp (WAS: Web sites that sell fabrics suitable for costuming) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113110452.01a52d20@mail.bmee.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020113112724.0449c7a0@mail.bmee.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:18:54 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. I have used hemp on a number of projects. My 16th Cent. doublet is interlined with it, I have a pair of sailors breeches made from it, and we have a number of bags for carrying our gear made from it. It is very much like linen canvas (the strands of hemp, flax and nettle are virtually indistinguishable by the eye, and almost completely so even with a microscope). I also have a modern shirt made from it, and it is wonderful to feel against the skin, and it wears in better than when it starts. The straps on a variety of packbaskets that I have are made from it, and my wife has knitted a few items from yarn made from it. Great stuff! Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 18:50:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13083 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:50:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F0NUF15812; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:23:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F0N1t16968; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01h.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.238]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0F0Mtt16922 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:22:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 13977 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 00:23:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.194.102]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jan 2002 00:23:17 -0000 Message-ID: <004f01c19d5a$f2fd7980$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <3C436AD1.5070609@tds.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Size 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:24:08 -0500 Status: RO I am SO happy to hear from you!!! No one understands why, when I look at the sagging belly I have post-hysterectomy, and the 30+ pounds I have gained in the last few years of life, WHY I have a slight problem with thinking about my weight! It isn't a big thing - I know when I was 113 lbs at 5'8" that I was far too thin. I know I'm not fat, just abdominally challenged, but I too have to laugh/wince when I look in the mirror. And of course, all my clothes fit much differently, so I have to keep making more, right? Rowena > > That would be my youngest sister, who is actually (if such a thing exists) > > a Size 0. She's recently begun weightlifting and has consequently put on > > a few pounds, so she weighs 105 lbs (at about 5'6"). She's quite strong, > > actually, in a wiry way, and eats a very healthy diet. Wish I had her > > metabolism... Anyway, she can't find clothes that fit, except in the > > petite section -- but then the jacket sleeves are too short, and the > > skirts are so short she looks like Ally McBeal (which is not what she > > wants). Good thing she can sew. > > I can vouche for the Size 0. Before I got pregnant w/my daughter, the > only place I could get jeans was in the Jr's department and they had > to be "longs". I am about 5'5", and back then was lucky to get to 100 > lbs dispite what I ate. While I was pregnant I got up to 130, and > still had skinny arms and legs. Picture if you will a stick figure > with a "snowman's" body. *LOL* > > After I had her I dropped down to about 100 lbs, and went to > The 5-7-9 Shop for jeans that were size 0. Then we moved to Germany > and the beer and brautwierst took me up to 150. Now I hover around > 130 and wear a size 12 jeans. Everyone says "you aren't fat", but > when you consider what I used to see in the mirror I still can't > look at myself in the full length mirror in the bathroom. *LOL* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 19:00:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13238 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:00:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F0WXF17130; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:32:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F0W1t21108; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sodium.golden.net (sodium.golden.net [199.166.210.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F0VRt20843 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:31:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from d7k7b6 (AS53-01-55.cas-ows.golden.net [216.209.7.55]) by sodium.golden.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id g0F0VqL12587 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:31:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001d01c19d5d$d273ac40$3707d1d8@d7k7b6> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200201142242.g0EMg2t25768@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Re: 1730-1770s furtrapper garb Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Five Rivers" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:43:49 -0500 Status: RO You might wish to check out our extensive array of historical sewing patterns at http://www.5rivers.org Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, fax (519) 799-5418 http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 19:11:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13295 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:11:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F0iUF18580; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:44:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F0i1t26292; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20307.mail.yahoo.com (web20307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0F0h6t25905 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:43:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020115004328.74588.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:43:28 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yes, that 12th Century harper is back w/another question! To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C436FF1.8080408@tds.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:43:28 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Thank you, thank you, thank you! My reddish-burgundy-ish wool is "justified." I have some green-and-reddish-burgundy geometric trim that is a really good match...if only I didn't have to waste perfectly good sewing time earning a living!!! Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" --- Katie wrote: > Here is a list of what plants/bugs where used and > what color they > produced. > > http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/dye-list-art.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 19:31:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13388 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:31:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F14VF20808; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:04:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F141t03867; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F13vt03833 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:03:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AD913C3A00AC; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:53:37 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114185937.04a0ba78@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach In-Reply-To: <3C43667F.2020509@tds.net> References: <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] !3th Century Highland questions... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:12:53 -0600 Status: RO Ok, here's a question that I suspect all you good folk will be able to answer for me without blinking an eye. It seems such a basic question, but I can't for the life of my find the right answer anywhere I look... I'm looking at doing garb that is somewhat accurate for a 13th century highlander. (those of you who'll see me at !@th night, just please disregard the great playd, I know, it's not "it"...) I can't help thinking about how cold it can get in Scotland in Winter and I'm not too sure what would have been done for Winter garb that would protect from cold. I have seen references to "moggans", some cloth wrapped around the legs. I suspect they'd also do something about shoes/boots, but not sure what. I'd love to get any and all information possible on this. I'd rather have more info than less. Also, pushing my luck, I'll say that if anyone has *pictures* of what would be accurate recreations, that would be great. Obviously, not only surviving pictures are impossible, but period pictures at all were, well... not quite possible... But surely *someone* somewhere, has pictures of garb that would appear to be accurate. Reason I'm asking for this is that I'm doing *much* better when I can actually see something rather than have it described at length in texts... Thanks y'all. Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 19:34:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13395 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:34:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F16UF21088; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:06:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F161t04561; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx1.famvid.com (a.mx.famvid.com [208.16.68.101] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0F15lt04466 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:05:48 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18074 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 01:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jeanne) (207.40.100.83) by mx1.famvid.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 01:08:44 -0000 Message-ID: <01ea01c19d60$adc9f680$536428cf@jeanne> From: "Jeanne Harney" To: References: <20020114221526.13410.qmail@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:05:08 -0500 Status: RO My daughter is one of those "naturally thin" people, but she's not a size 0 anymore. She teaches dance (tap, jazz, modern, ballet, lyrical, supported adagio) part time and at 5'5" I don't know what she weighs, but she's got a 24" waist and is a 34DD (the reason she's not a size 0 anymore) She gets WAY more attention than she'd like because of her breasts, and they make her angry, because she's a dancer. (She HAD a promising career until she grew breasts. Dancers are "supposed" to be androgynous. Also, if she had a dollar for every time she said "I'm a dancer" and people assumed "stripper" she'd have her house paid for.) So basically, she wears baggy sweaters and looks 20 lbs heavier than she is. Jeanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 21:20:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13807 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:20:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F2qVF04539; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:52:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F2q2t05238; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F2p6t04970 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:51:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip17.vanc11.pacifier.com [66.43.3.17]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0F2omX13107 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:50:48 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Size 0 Message-ID: <3C432A03.1390.55855FD@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <153.73bb0d8.2974ccfa@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:57:07 -0800 Status: RO > What I can't seem to > understand is where the clothing manufacturers get their size charts. I have > 3 pair of Lee jeans, bought the same day by different people at the same > store. All are size 12, one pair is huge (too long too wide etc) on me (they > are my once a month jeans), one pair I can just put on and wear, the third > pair are the ones I wear on "good ass days". If I try to get them on on an > off day I have to do the lay down with pliers and breathe IN! They are all > the same style, size, cut and number. Identical on the tags, not in the > wearing. Who dreams these things up. This sounds weird. While each style can be a different size (depending on how much ease they go for with that style) it is pretty unusual for the same style to be different sizes. It sounds like they had some new stitchers and quality control was not doing its job! Most of the time, when the sizes are weird it is because they are trying to make women feel like they are smaller than they are. (So that they can brag "I *only* wear a 6", for instance.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 21:20:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13811 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:20:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F2s9F06100; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:54:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F1N9t10059; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:23:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F1MJt09813 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:22:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:21:54 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E27@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Real Pearls? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:22:30 -0800 Status: RO Look at the area surround the hole. If it looks bubbled, deformed or like it flowed, then it's glass or plastic. If you can see peeling paint, then it could be something like "Fish scale" or painted glass "pearls". --cin > --- Alexandria Doyle wrote: > > How does one tell if a strand of pearls are real or > > glass pearls? > > Real pearls (including cultured) feel slightly gritty > against the teeth. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 21:20:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13815 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:20:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F2s7F06074; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:54:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F1a0t13638; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F1Z5t13374 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:35:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.39]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020115013532.GTT658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:35:32 -0600 Message-ID: <3C438725.1090909@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] !3th Century Highland questions... References: <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114185937.04a0ba78@mail.bmee.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:34:29 -0600 Status: RO Not sure how much this will help...but http://www.medievalscotland.org/clothing/scotmen.shtml Katie Gorgeous Muiredach wrote: > Ok, here's a question that I suspect all you good folk will be able to > answer for me without blinking an eye. It seems such a basic question, > but I can't for the life of my find the right answer anywhere I look... > > I'm looking at doing garb that is somewhat accurate for a 13th century > highlander. (those of you who'll see me at !@th night, just please > disregard the great playd, I know, it's not "it"...) > > I can't help thinking about how cold it can get in Scotland in Winter > and I'm not too sure what would have been done for Winter garb that > would protect from cold. I have seen references to "moggans", some > cloth wrapped around the legs. I suspect they'd also do something about > shoes/boots, but not sure what. > > I'd love to get any and all information possible on this. I'd rather > have more info than less. Also, pushing my luck, I'll say that if > anyone has *pictures* of what would be accurate recreations, that would > be great. Obviously, not only surviving pictures are impossible, but > period pictures at all were, well... not quite possible... But surely > *someone* somewhere, has pictures of garb that would appear to be > accurate. Reason I'm asking for this is that I'm doing *much* better > when I can actually see something rather than have it described at > length in texts... > > Thanks y'all. > > Gorgeous Muiredach > Rokkehealden Shire > Middle Kingdom > aka > Nicolas Steenhout > "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 21:21:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13820 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:21:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F2sIF06231; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:54:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F2R5t28039; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:27:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F2Qxt27998 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:26:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.206.137.111] (account axejudge@accessus.net HELO accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 38030048 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:27:22 -0600 Message-ID: <3C43946D.40805@accessus.net> From: Karen Heim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses References: <20020114205223.40802.qmail@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: axejudge@accessus.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:31:09 -0600 Status: RO Sarah Goodman wrote: > >And speaking for the short people here... I can go anywhere from a size 4 to a size 0, depending upon where I'm shopping. All I want is a designer who doesn't believe that all size 2 jeans should have a 32" inseam. As if. > Back in "the old days", when I was 31-24-33, I still had to wear a size 5. Apparently, my hips were too wide for those teeny sizes (and at the low end, an inch or two makes a big difference). But, even as a short person, I don't mind the longer inseam. If I tried to wear petite pants, they would stop above my ankles; I'm really disproportionate - long arms and legs, *extremely* short waisted (even so-called petite-sized jackets are always too long on the body, and too short in the arms). In many ways, it's much easier to find clothes now that I've bulked up from 95 lbs. to 150 and a size 14. At least the pants aren't usually too short . . . a different Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 21:21:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13824 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:21:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F2sMF06268; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:54:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F2P0t27499; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from out004pub.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F2OCt27333 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:24:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (pool-151-199-133-194.norf.east.verizon.net [151.199.133.194]) by out004pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g0F2OYC13006 Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:24:34 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020115022521.0070876c@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hemp (WAS: Web sites that sell fabrics suitable for costuming) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:25:21 -0500 Status: RO At 07:18 PM 1/14/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, All. I have used hemp on a number of projects. My 16th Cent. doublet >is interlined with it, I have a pair of sailors breeches made from it, and >we have a number of bags for carrying our gear made from it. It is very >much like linen canvas (the strands of hemp, flax and nettle are virtually >indistinguishable by the eye, and almost completely so even with a >microscope). I also have a modern shirt made from it, and it is wonderful >to feel against the skin, and it wears in better than when it starts. The >straps on a variety of packbaskets that I have are made from it, and my >wife has knitted a few items from yarn made from it. Great stuff! Mike T. > What period is the sailing stuff? I am very interested in 16th century sailing and volunteer on a vessel just out of that period (Susan Constant early 17th). Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 21:21:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13833 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:21:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F2sOF06314; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:54:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F2R1t28011; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F2QHt27833 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:26:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip17.vanc11.pacifier.com [66.43.3.17]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0F2Pwe23076 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:25:58 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Size 0 Message-ID: <3C432432.14816.5419A54@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3C436AD1.5070609@tds.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:32:18 -0800 Status: RO > > That would be my youngest sister, who is actually (if such a thing exists) > > a Size 0. She's recently begun weightlifting and has consequently put on > > a few pounds, so she weighs 105 lbs (at about 5'6"). She's quite strong, > > actually, in a wiry way, and eats a very healthy diet. Wish I had her > > metabolism... Anyway, she can't find clothes that fit, except in the > > petite section -- but then the jacket sleeves are too short, and the > > skirts are so short she looks like Ally McBeal (which is not what she > > wants). Good thing she can sew. There are a number of stores which carry size 0. Many are "petites" but not all of them are. Petite Sophisticates and it's non- petite part of the chain carry size 0 and the styles are adult, not child. (Rather than 0-3-5-7-9+, they go 0-2-4-6-8+. The odd number sizes tend to be more teen/petite proportion with the even number sizes more adult.) There are also several boutique stores which cater to the smaller women. When I was at the size 0 stage, they didn't have even 5-7-9 shops even for teenage clothes. The dress I did my medical school admissions interview in was from the girls department, because it was the only way I could get a dress which didn't hang like a sack on me. (Those were the 5'4", 100# days that are a thing of the past, thank God. Thank God for fertility drugs which actually gave me an adult figure, but not until I was 38 years of age.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 21:21:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13834 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:21:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F2sRF06354; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:54:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F2b1t00963; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.zrz.tu-berlin.de (mail.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.4.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F2aHt00763 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:36:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from p-164-121.zrz.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.164.121] helo=math.tu-berlin.de) by mail.zrz.tu-berlin.de with esmtp (exim-3.34) id 16QJSp-00031v-00; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:36:39 +0100 Received: (from barbara@localhost) by math.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA00360; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:36:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from barbara) From: Barbara Maren Winkler Message-Id: <200201150236.DAA00360@math.tu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <200201140243.g0E2h9t06309@net.indra.com> from "h-costume-request@indra.com" at "Jan 13, 2002 07:43:09 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com CC: LadyGryphon@aol.co, Barbara Maren Winkler X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT:mold Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:36:35 +0100 (CET) Status: RO > From: LadyGryphon@aol.com > Yes, it's ergot but that gets (mostly) on rye rather than wheat, both the > grain and bread and it's not killed by heat/light. The mold in this case > causes-hallucinations, respiratory failure, memory loss, skin eruptions, > convulsions and other nasties including death. There's nothing currently on > the market that will kill it or even eradicate it for any length of time. > Thus the only thing TO do is either remove all contaminated items and destroy > them or if the infestation is too far involved for it to be "fixable"-destroy > the entire house and contents. That's what we fear the most. Destruction of > all our tangible memories and other things that cannot be replaced at any > cost. I mean how can money replace the chair that my umpteen great > grandfather hand made (and rubbed a jillion coats of beeswax into) all those > years ago, photographs of my great grandparents on their wedding day, the > quilt my grandmother made for me while my mother was preggers with me and > dozens of other like items. We're all in shock. Then for heaven's sake get another opinion! I have never heard of any form of mold being treated like erverything was irreplacably contaminated. (But I may not have heard everything). Recently, there were Anthrax mailings in the US mail and even reached Congress. Anthrax spores, too, are hard to kill. Yet, did they burn down Congress? Remember you have to inhale 10,000 Anthrax spores to catch the disease, and it does not spread by human contact. I think the same goes for mold. I learned about ergot (Mutterkorn) as a kid. It is caused by the fungus Claviceps purpurea. It likes to grow in rye grains, especially when the weather is particularly wet. Yes, it happened in former centuries. People would catch ergotism from eating contaminated bread in periods of starvation. The symptoms do not really look like "going crazy", rather like general forms of poisoning (drowsiness, vomiting, fever, hallucinations). The worst form would be ergotismus gangraenosus, which was explained to me like your arms and legs rotting away while you're alive. You have to eat quite a lot of ergot to catch ergotism. Yes, you have to _eat_ it; it doesn't spread just by contact (or so I was told). What do museums do? How do they clean off mold from important cultural items? Eager to hear more, Barbara Maren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 21:21:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13828 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:21:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F2sTF06364; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:54:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F1F1t07486; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F1EYt07351 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:14:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B43523A8CD3 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:15:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003e01c19d6a$83d2a980$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro and farthingale question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:15:34 -0600 Status: RO I'm working on one of these farthingales myself, using the plastic tubing. I'll let you know how it works for me! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Lorriane" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro and farthingale question > on 1/14/02 2:56 PM, Michelle Hain at mesmerism00@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I have lurked on this list for quite a while and have > > found it to be a wonderful source of information, so I > > thought I would come out and introduce myself. > > So...I've been sewing for about a decade and am > > currently in the middle of FIDM's (Fashion Institute > > of Design and Merchandising) Theatre Costume Design > > program. > > > > My main focus is 18th century women's dress, but I > > also love Burgundian and am recently getting into > > Tudor and Elizabethan dress. I run a small historical > > costuming company, mostly working with local theater > > groups. > > > > So this leads me to my question... I need to make a > > farthingale for an Elizabethan gown. The problem is > > that I need to make it FAST (it's for a performance > > Thursday night). I don't have time to order hoop > > steel from the place I usually get it, so I am > > wondering if any of you know of a good substitute for > > hoop steel that can be found at a hardware store or > > similar place. It doesn't need to be authentic, nor > > particularly durable (this will probably be a one time > > use piece), it just needs to give the proper > > silhouette. Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Michelle....the frazzled > > Okay, I'm plygging myself here... Try this out and see if it works for you: > http://homepage.mac.com/lithiate/homedepot.html > > To see what sort of farthingale this makes, check this out: > http://homepage.mac.com/lithiate/alcegafarthing.html > > Hope this helps! > > Sarah > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 21:21:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13843 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:21:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F2t9F06732; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:55:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F291t22841; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f48.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.48]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F28pt22764 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:08:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:09:11 -0800 Received: from 65.70.197.12 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:09:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.70.197.12] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2002 02:09:11.0266 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F4A5420:01C19D69] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:09:10 Status: RO Well, I've always considered myself short, even though I got comparatively taller when I moved from Ohio to Texas. What annoys me are the clothing lines where the size 8P pants has the same inseam as the size 12P! Mary/Katerine > > > > >No kidding! My size ranges from 22 to 28 depending on > > >the manufacturer. > > > > And I'm anywhere from a 10 to a 16. > > > >And speaking for the short people here... I can go anywhere from a size 4 >to a size 0, depending upon where I'm shopping. All I want is a designer >who doesn't believe that all size 2 jeans should have a 32" inseam. As if. > >-- > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 21:22:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13846 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:22:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F2sBF06138; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:54:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F1N1t10026; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F1MHt09802 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:22:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from att.net ([12.77.142.218]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020115012239.LALP13117.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:22:39 +0000 Message-ID: <3C438549.7F0FB433@att.net> From: Crissy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <153.73bb0d8.2974ccfa@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Jeans dilemma answered Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:26:33 -0500 Status: RO I used to work in a garment factory, so let me explain what happens. This is the classic example of what happens when the Cutter of said garments in the factory isn't accurate. When the fabrics are stacked for cutting multiple layers at once, if the Cutter angles the cutting knives *in* towards the seam allowances, the bottom garment pieces are much smaller than the ones on top or even in the middle, even though they're all technically the same size. OR , the Cutters cut off some seam allowances, OR even cut the garment slightly bigger than the permanent pattern. All of this can be the reasons why that same pair of jeans , bought in the same store, by three different people in the same style and size can have such a discrepancy in fit. I hope this helps explain the mystery a little. Crissy LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 14/1/02 5:36:00 PM, nejma@tds.net writes: > << Everyone says "you aren't fat", but when you consider what I used to see > in the mirror I still can't look at myself in the full length mirror in the > bathroom. >> > > Isn't body/self image wonderful? I weighed 285, dropped down to 115 (with a > lot of walking and watching what I ate) had 2 kids and am currently at about > 160 aiming for about 130 or 135, ya know I still see the 285 pound blob in > the mirror and I was a major blob at that point. What I can't seem to > understand is where the clothing manufacturers get their size charts. I have > 3 pair of Lee jeans, bought the same day by different people at the same > store. All are size 12, one pair is huge (too long too wide etc) on me (they > are my once a month jeans), one pair I can just put on and wear, the third > pair are the ones I wear on "good ass days". If I try to get them on on an > off day I have to do the lay down with pliers and breathe IN! They are all > the same style, size, cut and number. Identical on the tags, not in the > wearing. Who dreams these things up. I used to wear Wranglers when I was > growing up and it didn't matter, I could just tell my mom to pick me up a new > pair of jeans and they'd fit. Now I have to try on every single pair, I don't > even think of myself as one size or another, just whatever fits. Is it me or > have the jeans manufacturers gone whakka whakka? > Confusedly, > Lady G > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 21:23:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13853 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:23:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F2uUF06919; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:56:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F2u0t06599; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F2tQt06443 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:55:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-70.frys.com [66.121.20.70]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0F2s4r18189 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:54:04 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020114184316.0092ff00@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tab A into Slot B In-Reply-To: <20020114190812.51098.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020114185548.4109.qmail@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:47:21 -0800 Status: RO The trick is to make a sleeve that would otherwise fit into the armhole if you did sew it in all the way around, then only sew it in part way around. That way when your arm is down it looks like it is sewn in all the way. Finish all unsewn edges any way that looks nice - a facing, a hem, blind stitch outside and lining, of each piece, together with raw edges inside, whatever. >I am currently working on an outfit that calls for a >sewn in sleeve. Well, at least partially. The sleeve >is sewn into the bodice except for the bottom portion >which is left open for extra movement and ventilation. > >Now, my question is how to go about doing this so it >looks right and lays smoothly? > >Would I finish the sleeve off first and then sew just >half of it into the arms eye or would I sew the >unfinished sleeve into the arms eye half way and then >finish off the remainder of the sleeve separately? > >That's about as clear as mud I should think. > >Thank you. > >Ghislaine > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 21:29:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13870 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:29:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F32TF07782; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:02:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F320t08324; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F31ht08250 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:01:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A92C33920114; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:51:24 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114210828.04b02e08@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] !3th Century Highland questions... In-Reply-To: <3C438725.1090909@tds.net> References: <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114185937.04a0ba78@mail.bmee.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:10:18 -0600 Status: RO Thanks for the lead. Saddly, I've looked at most of Sharon's site through and through, and she's one of the ones that I often can't figure what she means... Not something on her part, just my problem with translating some text into images... I haven't seen that she addresses winter clothing at all either, but that may be a figment of my failing memory right now... Incidentally, I haven't seen my original post show up. Is there such a setting that doesn't sent your own mails back to you? If so, does anyone know how to change that? Thanks Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 21:54:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13955 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:54:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F3RVF10142; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:27:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F3R1t15673; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F3Q9t15403 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:26:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.64.18d28c63 (25713) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:26:25 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <64.18d28c63.2974fb60@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jeans dilemma answered To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:26:24 EST Status: RO In a message dated 14/1/02 8:57:12 PM, sewinggoddess@att.net writes: << All of this can be the reasons why that same pair of jeans , bought in the same store, by three different people in the same style and size can have such a discrepancy in fit. >> I knew the cutting process so I'm wondering-is this just certain manufacturers? I know it's more cost effective and the most logical way to cut out that many pair of jeans at a time. I can still wear Wranglers without trying them on and/or Levi's 501's or 505's, Lee's and Lee Riders seem to be the worst at sizing. I wear anything from a 10 to a 14 depending on what it is and who made it. I wear a 12 at 160, at 130 I wear a 7/8, Katie at 130 wears a 12, she said she's 5'5", I'm 5'6.5". There's not that much difference in our height. Any clue? Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 21:56:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13962 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:56:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F3TUF10233; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:29:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F3T1t16254; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F3Sht16171 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:28:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.9.21ae893a (25713) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:29:02 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <9.21ae893a.2974fbfe@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT:mold To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:29:02 EST Status: RO In a message dated 14/1/02 8:56:17 PM, barbara@math.tu-berlin.de writes: << Then for heaven's sake get another opinion! I have never heard of any form of mold being treated like erverything was irreplacably contaminated. >> I'm answering this with an attachment sent off list. Anyone who wants a copy of the attachment just ask. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 21:59:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13968 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:59:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F3WUF10567; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:32:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F3W0t17087; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F3VYt16956 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:31:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020115033157.ILJO3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:31:57 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c49a027.1205069979@mail.attbi.com> References: <12a.a8eaff2.297485ac@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <12a.a8eaff2.297485ac@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0F3VYt16956 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:32:22 GMT Status: RO On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:04:12 EST, the following was written in this electric book by LalahTT@aol.com: >In a message dated 1/14/02 5:10:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk >writes: >> >> There I have to agree with Mel, I'm afraid. What a horrid idea to >> drink your tea *cold*..... > > If you haven't tried it, don't knock it. Nothing beats a tall glass >of ice tea with lemon on a really hot day. And here's a little anecdote from my grandmother, who grew up in the midwest of the US during the depression. She recalls that 'Grandpa' (an elderly veteran of the Civil War) used to drink what all the children thought was 'hot water'. Only later, when she was older and was introduced to hot tea outside the home, did she realize that he had been the lone drinker of hot cups of tea in the large, extended family - all the rest of whom drank iced sweetened tea, in the southern manner. Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 22:13:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14023 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:13:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F3kVF11917; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:46:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F3k1t20862; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F3jWt20738 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:45:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2141.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.141]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15247 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:45:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3C43A541.9D0AAC6E@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bierstein?? References: <200201121656.g0CGuMt19819@net.indra.com> from "h-costume-request@indra.com" at "Jan 12, 2002 9:56:22 am" <200201140827.JAA01855@mx01.uni-tuebingen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:42:58 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. The stoneware body (gray) with the blue glaze was typical of a type of stoneware imported around Europe from the Westerwald (Rhine Provinces) in the late 16th and 17th cents. There was also a brown mottled version known as Frechen or Seigburg ware. The Frechen style includes the ubiquitous "Bartmannkruge" or, in the English usage, Bellarmines. The name came from the bearded visage usually found on the bottles, said to resemble Cardinal Bellarmino, a staunch Counter-Reformationist, although jugs of this type predate his birth by about 50 years. In terms of costume content, if you are looking at Dutch genre paintings of the late 16th and through the 17th Cents., such as Clara Peeters, van Ryck and Vermeer, you will occasionally see variants of these types of stoneware along with the clothing of the period that they represent. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 22:23:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14061 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:23:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F3uYF12839; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:56:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F3u0t23509; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F3tRt23338 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:55:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2141.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.141]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12043 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:55:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3C43A7AE.19EC9F4F@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200201122004.VAA27266@octopussy.math.TU-Berlin.DE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Body Double Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:53:18 -0500 Status: RO Hello, all. just a quick request. Sometime ago there was a post that included a URL to a site that gave instructions on how to create a body double with duct tape, etc. If anyone can direct me there, I would appreciate the assistance. Thanks, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 22:52:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14178 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:52:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F4NVF15314; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:23:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F4N1t01593; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0F4MIt01374 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:22:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from modemcable035.48-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca (HELO pentium3) (24.200.48.35) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 04:22:46 -0000 Message-ID: <038c01c19d7c$92cb7f40$5030c818@WorkGroup> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: References: <3C430748.7020303@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:24:48 -0500 Status: RO Yep... I'm skinny, not because I tried but because I'm like that, and I'm size 1... Used to wear size 4, was closer to what I think I should be. I have very narrow shoulders and very delicate bones, and short waist. In fact I think I wouldn't look so skinny if I could build up some muscle in my arms, that would make a difference :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "A F Murphy" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic dresses > Remember, it depends on the original real build of the woman. There > really and truly are women designed by nature to be a size 2. Not > many... but they do exist, with womanly figures, looking lovely, not > skinny. You don't even really notice how small they are until you try to > fit them. > > The ones we think of are the women designed by nature to be a size 8, > who are starving themselves down to squeeze into a 4. That's not pretty, > but it is encouraged in the industry, for many reasons. I've never seen > Winslett in person, let alone fit her, so I have no idea what her build > is like, but it certainly sounds as if this was natural for her. > > > The performers I meet who are really struggling are dancers. They build > up muscle around their hips and legs, and then "look hippy" and feel > fat. At a size 8... without an extra ounce of fat on their bodies! > > Then, there are also women who are equally truly designed to be a 12 or > a 14, without any extra padding. I understand that, because, if I were > thin, I'd be a 14. My wrists hang out of a 12... But many of these > women, in the business, either give up and become/stay heavy, because no > one will accept their real build, but they can get work if they aren't > expecting to be ingenues, or else they try to starve themselves down to > a 10. They really look like scarecrows... > > Lots of pressure on all, and almost all coming from people who look at > numbers, and don't really *look* at the bodies. > > Anne > > > > Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > > > > > >But I am shocked to find that it is a size 4! I am not one of the strange > >people who thought Kate Winslett looked FAT in the movie. I thought she > >looked great, like a normal human being rather than one of those too-thin > >Hollywood actresses. (I read an interview once with an actress who said that > >every woman in Hollywood was a size 2 or 4). I know that film makes people > >look fatter, but still, I wouldn't have guessed less than a 6. > > > >Gail Finke > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 22:55:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14187 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:55:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F4SVF15767; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:28:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F4S1t02915; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx07.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F4Rgt02824 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:27:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.241.42.43] (HELO [192.168.1.102]) by dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 19570928 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:50:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C432A03.1390.55855FD@localhost> References: <3C432A03.1390.55855FD@localhost> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Size 0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:37:08 -0500 Status: RO > > What I can't seem to >> understand is where the clothing manufacturers get their size charts. I have >> 3 pair of Lee jeans, bought the same day by different people at the same >> store. All are size 12, one pair is huge (too long too wide etc) on me (they >> are my once a month jeans), one pair I can just put on and wear, the third >> pair are the ones I wear on "good ass days". If I try to get them on on an >> off day I have to do the lay down with pliers and breathe IN! They are all >> the same style, size, cut and number. Identical on the tags, not in the >> wearing. Who dreams these things up. Kat: >This sounds weird. While each style can be a different size >(depending on how much ease they go for with that style) it is >pretty unusual for the same style to be different sizes. It sounds >like they had some new stitchers and quality control was not doing >its job! That's apparently not so unusual. There was a report in the paper (Boston Globe) several years ago documenting this phenomenon- it happened in all price ranges and through a variety of brands. Many supposedly identical pairs were measured, and there were differences of inches among them. -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 22:58:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14195 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:58:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F4VUF16118; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:31:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F4V0t03735; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0F4Urt03700 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:30:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from modemcable035.48-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca (HELO pentium3) (24.200.48.35) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 04:31:21 -0000 Message-ID: <03c601c19d7d$c5b79460$5030c818@WorkGroup> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: References: <20020114184530.80466.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:33:23 -0500 Status: RO Yeah, my size ranges from "the smallest size has 2 inches extra in the waist" to size 3, depending on the manufacturer... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Garner" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses > > --- Margo@margospatterns.com wrote: > But American sizing > > isn't standardized at ALL. > > No kidding! My size ranges from 22 to 28 depending on > the manufacturer. > > Iohanna the Harper > [m.k.a. Joan Hall] > "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" > "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 23:04:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14212 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:04:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F4bUF16709; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:37:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F4b1t05349; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.wireweb.net ([207.235.90.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F4aWt05252 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:36:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from wireweb.net [207.235.88.98] by smtp.wireweb.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.04) id A2B89EE1010A; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:40:24 -0600 Message-ID: <3C43B3AE.B70C8187@wireweb.net> From: Alexandria Doyle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-PCD_V45 (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Real Pearls? References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E27@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:44:30 -0600 Status: RO thanks for all the suggestions. I think they may be glass pearls, maybe... I tried the against the teeth and couldn't tell the difference between a set of real pearls, a set of plastic pearls and this one necklace. There is however some irregularities around the holes. It could be from a drill that was clamped down too tight, or it could be the "fish scale" other than that, these are very nice pearls with a great weight to them, not light like the obviously false ones. I feel better about my plan to rework this necklace into a belt for my Elizabethan's, rather than cutting up a definitely good pearl necklace for the project. I'm going to go a beaded chained with the pearls and red glass beads. I have just enough to make it around my waist. I'll need to make a buckle/pendent for center front point, then I think a thin strip of embroidery on velvet with a tassel or another ordonment on the end. Alexandria Cynthia Barnes wrote: > > Look at the area surround the hole. If it looks bubbled, deformed or like > it flowed, then it's glass or plastic. If you can see peeling paint, then > it could be something like "Fish scale" or painted glass "pearls". > --cin > > > --- Alexandria Doyle wrote: > > > How does one tell if a strand of pearls are real or > > > glass pearls? > > > > Real pearls (including cultured) feel slightly gritty > > against the teeth. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 23:14:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14251 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:14:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F4lVF17389; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:47:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F4l1t07975; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F4kVt07888 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:46:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from 209-162-21-152.thegrid.net ([209.162.21.152]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QLUx-0000Lf-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:46:59 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses From: Sarah Lorriane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <03c601c19d7d$c5b79460$5030c818@WorkGroup> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:45:09 -0800 Status: RO on 1/14/02 8:33 PM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin at audreybmorin@yahoo.com wrote: > Yeah, my size ranges from "the smallest size has 2 inches extra in the > waist" to size 3, depending on the manufacturer... > Same here. For instance: A size 0 jeans at Abercrombie & Fitch fits me like a size 2 Gap jeans. Except, the size 2 Gap has a reasonable inseam of about 27 inches, where the A&F size 0 has the 32" inseam. That's just two well known clothing manufacturers who sell to the same age group (twenty-somethings). Things get much more complicated when you factor in Levi's sizing (apparently, a size 26 is far too small for me and a size 28, the next size up, is way too big). As it is, I stick with Gap, despite my moral issues with the company, because they're the only comercial manufacturer that has enough consistency with their product in my size range. And their jeans just fit so well and last forever... My smallest size was a 00, which can only be found at 5-7-9. I was really sick at the time, though. Don't ever want to go back to looking like a waif... I'm healthy now and happy about it. :) Sarah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 23:17:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14277 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:17:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F4oUF17556; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:50:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F4o0t08765; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F4nLt08582 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:49:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-120.frys.com [66.121.20.120]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0F4m1r20002 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:48:01 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020114203627.00bcf8c0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT:mold In-Reply-To: <200201150236.DAA00360@math.tu-berlin.de> References: <200201140243.g0E2h9t06309@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:39:20 -0800 Status: RO >I learned >about ergot (Mutterkorn) as a kid. It is caused by the fungus Claviceps >purpurea. >It likes to grow in rye grains, especially when the weather is particularly >wet. Doesn't LSD derive from ergot, or at least, isn't it related chemically?, asked the former Hippie? A former LSD-user, of my acquaintance, told me that was the case. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 23:17:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14281 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:17:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F4oZF17571; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:50:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F4o6t08801; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:50:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F4nPt08600 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:49:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-120.frys.com [66.121.20.120]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0F4m3r20005 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:48:03 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020114204926.00b29960@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro and farthingale question In-Reply-To: <20020114225620.45747.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3C43BAC6.6080703@bigpond.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:54:37 -0800 Status: RO You could use the slats from a roll-up bamboo blind if you were making a conical mid-1500's one. If you need a large roll farthingale, like 1580's, use an inner tube. They're the right size and shape, they're light-weight, and they're real cheap if you go to a place where they fix tube-type tires and tell them you need something for kids to play with in the pool. I did this and, after asking me a couple of times if I was never going to use it in a car tire, the guy got an old one and even patched it for me - it held air well enough to work, at maybe 10 pounds pressure. >So this leads me to my question... I need to make a >farthingale for an Elizabethan gown. The problem is >that I need to make it FAST (it's for a performance >Thursday night). I don't have time to order hoop >steel from the place I usually get it, so I am >wondering if any of you know of a good substitute for >hoop steel that can be found at a hardware store or >similar place. It doesn't need to be authentic, nor >particularly durable (this will probably be a one time >use piece), it just needs to give the proper >silhouette. Any suggestions? > >Thanks in advance, > >Michelle....the frazzled > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 23:17:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14285 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:17:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F4ojF17612; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:50:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F4oFt08846; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F4nRt08617 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:49:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-120.frys.com [66.121.20.120]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0F4m7r20008 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:48:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020114205635.00bca3d0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic dresses In-Reply-To: References: <200201131556.g0DFu2t29556@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:56:58 -0800 Status: RO >Thanks for posting those pictures and the text! Isn't it amazing what a >difference having a PERSON in clothes makes? The jump dress looks a bit >dowdy hanging by itself, but it looked great on Kate Winslett. Posted? Where? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 23:30:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14313 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:30:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F52VF18543; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:02:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F520t11993; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F519t11753 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:01:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-33qtmet.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.217.221]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QLiu-000019-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:01:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200201141814.KAA24649@artemis.directcon.net> References: <200201141814.KAA24649@artemis.directcon.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Sizes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:33:07 -0800 Status: RO At 10:14 AM -0800 1/14/02, Margo@Margospatterns.com wrote: > This is compounded by "vanity sizing", in which >sizes are labeled much, much smaller than average, to flatter rich ladies >and make them want to buy a size "4" that is really more like an 8 or 10. My own gripe is that current clothing styles (especially jeans) don't seem to be made for _women_, they are made for telephone poles instead (which don't have hips). I seem to recall hearing vaguely somewhere that American size numbering is sufficiently skewed that some incredible number like 70% of all women are at least one "size" bigger on the bottom than on the top. But of course, since the current "ideal" figure has hips that are the same meansurement as the bust or less, that is the figure things are designed for. Or so I'd like to think, anyway, since it makes me feel better ! The statistic I really enjoyed, though, made the rounds in newspaper clippings a few years back. Supposedly, someone measured a number of girls and young women in great detail, and then tried to see whether there were any body measurements that correlated with "intelligence" (actually, grade-point average). They found ONE correlation: the bigger the hips, the higher the GPA. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 23:33:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14318 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:33:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F56UF18769; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:06:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F561t13099; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F55Pt12823 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:05:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.169]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0F4FLZ11109 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:15:21 +1100 Message-ID: <031801c19d82$0041b4e0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: <200201140243.g0E2h9t06309@net.indra.com> <4.1.20020114203627.00bcf8c0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT:mold MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:03:31 +1100 Status: RO Yep. That's right. There was a doco recently on Ergot poisoning on Aus TV. They mentioned the LSD derivative there. The theory was that "Bewitchment" in the Mediaeval times may have been Ergot poisoning. The symptoms are the same, and it happened more in the Rye-growing areas. Next week, the same series has a show on the Jamestown massacre, which I'm really looking forward to - right up my alley. Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT:mold > >I learned > >about ergot (Mutterkorn) as a kid. It is caused by the fungus Claviceps > >purpurea. > >It likes to grow in rye grains, especially when the weather is particularly > >wet. > > Doesn't LSD derive from ergot, or at least, isn't it related chemically?, > asked the former Hippie? A former LSD-user, of my acquaintance, told me > that was the case. > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 23:44:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14343 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:44:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F5HUF19434; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:17:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F5H1t16167; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F5GZt16053 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:16:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.169]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0F4QVZ11299 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:26:31 +1100 Message-ID: <032a01c19d83$8fbba300$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:14:50 +1100 Status: RO Sarah wrote: > My smallest size was a 00, which can only be found at 5-7-9. I was really > sick at the time, though. Don't ever want to go back to looking like a > waif... I'm healthy now and happy about it. :) > > Sarah > My goodness! If the American sizing keeps getting bigger, you'll be in negative numbers! Here in Australia, our size 8 fitted me when I was 45kg (100lb), which seems like an equivalent of your size 0. Now the Chronic Fatigue (which isn't conducive to exercise!) has got me to 72kg(160lb) I wear a 16. I hope that I can get some weight off soon, and am aiming to get back to my after-babies weight of 60-65kg (130-140lb), which will be a size 12. I'm eating properly, but must find out how to exercise enough to lose weight without getting over-fatigued (hey! maybe someone should invent costumercise - exercise while you sew!). Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 23:48:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14350 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:48:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F5LVF19688; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:21:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F5L1t17136; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F5Kit17056 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:20:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2cust111.tnt13.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.194.126.111] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QM24-0002Oh-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:21:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4245EF.8000804@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Web sites that sell fabrics suitable for costuming References: <3C40D76D.877655D0@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:43:59 -0500 Status: RO Thank you! I collect sources, because I never know what someone will ask me for later. I especially like the parasol sites. Anne Lavolta Press wrote: >What's going on here is, I continually try to investigate every >interesting link I see (on the web or in a print ad) related in some >way to historic clothing. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 23:48:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14354 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:48:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F5LZF19702; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:21:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F5L5t17162; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:21:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F5Kut17116 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:20:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a2m50.in-tch.com [216.166.190.228]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0F59xL27297 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:10:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C43BD15.410CC4E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Size 0 References: <3C432432.14816.5419A54@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:24:37 -0700 Status: RO Funny....I have the exact opposite problem of the orginal poster's sister....I am (at the moment) a rather plus, plus size and average height (5'5"), but I have really short arms and legs (height is all in my torso). If I were a normal weight, I'd fit pretty nicely into a lot of the petite stuff, but somehow manufacturers seem to think that the larger you are around the taller you are....so everything's way too long. The worst offenders are things like sweaters, that I can't alter the sleeves on.... So, I guess it's a challenge for those of us on either end of the size bell-curve, huh? Someday, I'd at least be able to buy off the rack.... --Sue (not bitching, thinking of it as a goal ) kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > > > > That would be my youngest sister, who is actually (if such a thing exists) > > > a Size 0. She's recently begun weightlifting and has consequently put on > > > a few pounds, so she weighs 105 lbs (at about 5'6"). She's quite strong, > > > actually, in a wiry way, and eats a very healthy diet. Wish I had her > > > metabolism... Anyway, she can't find clothes that fit, except in the > > > petite section -- but then the jacket sleeves are too short, and the > > > skirts are so short she looks like Ally McBeal (which is not what she > > > wants). Good thing she can sew. > > There are a number of stores which carry size 0. Many are > "petites" but not all of them are. Petite Sophisticates and it's non- > petite part of the chain carry size 0 and the styles are adult, not > child. (Rather than 0-3-5-7-9+, they go 0-2-4-6-8+. The odd number > sizes tend to be more teen/petite proportion with the even number > sizes more adult.) > > There are also several boutique stores which cater to the smaller > women. > > When I was at the size 0 stage, they didn't have even 5-7-9 shops > even for teenage clothes. The dress I did my medical school > admissions interview in was from the girls department, because it > was the only way I could get a dress which didn't hang like a sack > on me. (Those were the 5'4", 100# days that are a thing of the > past, thank God. Thank God for fertility drugs which actually gave > me an adult figure, but not until I was 38 years of age.) > > Kat > > Kat(June Russell) > kat@grendal.rain.com > Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 14 23:51:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14364 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:51:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F5OUF19977; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:24:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F5O0t17887; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F5N9t17649 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:23:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a2m50.in-tch.com [216.166.190.228]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0F5CLL27828 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:12:21 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C43BDDA.C1C8C34B@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tab A into Slot B References: <20020114185548.4109.qmail@earthlink.net> <20020114190812.51098.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> <20020114121246.L28964@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:27:54 -0700 Status: RO I do something pretty similar for the same sort of thing--sewing the upper portion of the sleeve into the armscye as usual. I then "finish" the seam allowance on the sleeve and bodice parts that still aren't sewn by treating it as a narrow double-fold hem. I also unobtrusively bar-tack across the points (the ends) of the opening.....Don't do any angling, though, so I guess YMMV. --Sue Elizabeth Lear wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 11:08:12AM -0800, Sidonia Ros wrote: > > Would I finish the sleeve off first and then sew just > > half of it into the arms eye or would I sew the > > unfinished sleeve into the arms eye half way and then > > finish off the remainder of the sleeve separately? > > When I make a Ghawzee coat, I sew in the top half of the raw sleeve as > if it were going in normally. Then I finish the open edges and angle > them into the seamed area for a smooth look. > > ...eliz > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 00:04:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14398 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:04:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F5bVF20701; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:37:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F5b0t21184; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F5aCt20888 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:36:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a2m50.in-tch.com [216.166.190.228]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0F5POL01713 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:25:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C43C0E9.873BC0D6@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:40:57 -0700 Status: RO Yeah, tea, water, what more do you need? --Sue (a colonial who seems to remember rumors of some sort of tea party involving just those two things a while back ) Jean Waddie wrote: > > Drinking tea without milk is, I believe, some strange colonial custom. > > JEan > > Melanie Wilson wrote > >>PGTips made using teabags > >and the same spoon for stirring the tea and fishing out the teabag > >as you used to get the granulated sugar from the bag > > > >UGH > > > >You''l be telling me next you don't warm the mug first & put milk in your > >tea > > > >Lady Power (aka Mel) > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 00:07:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14411 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:07:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F5eVF20827; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:40:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F5e1t21901; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F5dYt21817 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:39:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a2m50.in-tch.com [216.166.190.228]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0F5SjL02682 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:28:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C43C1B2.2CD1CB4B@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:44:18 -0700 Status: RO Uh-huh, I agree with you there....we don't get humidity like some parts of the country, but gawd it gets hot sometimes in the summer. There's just something amazingly refreshing about that combination of good flavor, cold temps., and tannic acid. --Sue (likes her iced tea with fresh mint and lots of ice cubes) Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 LalahTT@aol.com wrote: > > > > There I have to agree with Mel, I'm afraid. What a horrid idea to > > > drink your tea *cold*..... > > > > If you haven't tried it, don't knock it. Nothing beats a tall glass > > of ice tea with lemon on a really hot day. > > Ah, but you forget. They don't *have* really hot days in the UK anywhere > near the frequency or extremity that we do, so they haven't had occasion > to discover that iced tea is the perfect drink for multiweek stretches of > 90-degree days. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 00:08:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14416 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:08:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F5fUF20862; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:41:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F5f0t22152; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F5eTt22019 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:40:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a2m50.in-tch.com [216.166.190.228]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0F5TeL02910 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:29:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C43C1E9.8B4AB858@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches References: <00e901c19d48$5296b860$6a274ed5@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:45:13 -0700 Status: RO Yeah, but how _warm_ did it get? --Sue (where it's actually cold tonight, so thinking of a warm summer day sounds pretty good) Melanie Wilson wrote: > > >Ah, but you forget. They don't *have* really hot days in the UK anywhere > near the frequency or extremity that we do, so they haven't had occasion > to discover that iced tea is the perfect drink for multiweek stretches of > 90-degree days. > > Oh yes we do (stamp of foot) we had at least three sunny days this summer > > Mel > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 00:19:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14455 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:19:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F5qVF21553; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:52:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F5q1t25085; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (sm0101.promedia.net [208.131.40.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F5pIt24939 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:51:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from gateway (ppp-208-171-197-126.01.promedia.net [208.171.197.126]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0F5pjv17474 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:51:48 -0800 Message-ID: <014701c19d89$361c76c0$0101a8c0@gateway> From: "Joan Broneske" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:32:45 -0800 Status: RO I drink my tea iced whether it is Summer or Winter. I also like iced coffee. Joan B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches > > On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 LalahTT@aol.com wrote: > > > > There I have to agree with Mel, I'm afraid. What a horrid idea to > > > drink your tea *cold*..... > > > > If you haven't tried it, don't knock it. Nothing beats a tall glass > > of ice tea with lemon on a really hot day. > > Ah, but you forget. They don't *have* really hot days in the UK anywhere > near the frequency or extremity that we do, so they haven't had occasion > to discover that iced tea is the perfect drink for multiweek stretches of > 90-degree days. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 00:37:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14515 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:37:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F69WF22418; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:09:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F692t29370; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:09:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01b.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.232]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0F68Ft29130 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:08:15 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 983 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 06:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO computer) ([209.130.143.132]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jan 2002 06:08:33 -0000 Message-ID: <010001c19d8a$93b14300$848f82d1@computer> From: "Lyn Greaves- Thorny Rose" To: References: <200201141814.KAA24649@artemis.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sizes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:05:03 -0500 Status: RO Don't know. . . .I know I'm buying men's jeans-- I can get the low rise I need, with the 32" inseam I also require. Women's clothing insists that if you are tall, you are proportionally tall. Thus the reasons I make most of my own clothes. . . which also gives me the excuse to copy various patterns from a multitude of time periods :) Lyn Greaves ** A cubicle is just a padded cell without a door. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Laning To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Sizes > At 10:14 AM -0800 1/14/02, Margo@Margospatterns.com wrote: > > This is compounded by "vanity sizing", in which > >sizes are labeled much, much smaller than average, to flatter rich ladies > >and make them want to buy a size "4" that is really more like an 8 or 10. > > My own gripe is that current clothing styles (especially jeans) don't > seem to be made for _women_, they are made for telephone poles > instead (which don't have hips). > > I seem to recall hearing vaguely somewhere that American size > numbering is sufficiently skewed that some incredible number like 70% > of all women are at least one "size" bigger on the bottom than on the > top. But of course, since the current "ideal" figure has hips that > are the same meansurement as the bust or less, that is the figure > things are designed for. > > Or so I'd like to think, anyway, since it makes me feel better ! > > The statistic I really enjoyed, though, made the rounds in newspaper > clippings a few years back. Supposedly, someone measured a number of > girls and young women in great detail, and then tried to see whether > there were any body measurements that correlated with "intelligence" > (actually, grade-point average). They found ONE correlation: the > bigger the hips, the higher the GPA. > -- > _________________________________________________________ > O Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California > _________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 01:01:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14654 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:01:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F6YWF23741; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:34:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F6Y2t05925; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F6XMt05794 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:33:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-23-103.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.23.103]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADA01546; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:33:39 GMT Message-ID: <005a01c19d8f$2170a880$67174ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114185937.04a0ba78@mail.bmee.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] !3th Century Highland questions... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:37:39 -0000 Status: RO Might be worth checking out the 75 years group & archieves on yahoogroups we concentrate on a period 13th c to early 14th. There are a few Scots there. They might be able to help. Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 01:12:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14684 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:12:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F6jVF24323; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:45:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F6j1t08491; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F6i2t08250 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-23-103.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.23.103]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADA01791; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:44:29 GMT Message-ID: <006301c19d90$a4cc7a00$67174ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <200201142346.PAA19130@gw.retro.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:47:56 -0000 Status: RO >I'm a stepdancer, so I'm more worried about being able to dance in my clogs than how period they are. ;} Fair enough :) >From what I've been able to find, the common lady's clog, at least in Lancashire, was the bar clog, which for americans looks like a Mary Jane shoe with a wooden sole. So far few of the 19th C clogs I've see for sale in England are of this type although I had the same impression, which seems odd (all the wrong sizes of course !) >A couple of cloggers from Yorkshire thought my partner and I were crazy for wearing clogs _with irons_. Why ? I've seen plenty of clog dncers with irons >switch to lighter shoes than any real regional difference. The Cape Breton and Quebecois dancers on this continent have noticed similar rising tempos, pushed by competitions and lighter shoes. You mean with the wood change or the iron change ? >So one has to wonder what the real historical style looked and sounded like I've seen a few older clogs, and they don't seem much heaviery than my farmers clogs (walkleys) at least not as I noticed , I'll look out for the differance more in future :) >Ah, last thing. If you really want to be a stickler for historical looks, you need to buy your clogs with irons on the bottoms. Rubber bottoms retain some of the same look without the destructive possibilities. I'd not wear rubber by choice, my everyday clogs have rubber as on ice they are better, but not for historical use generally. I'm not wanting to buy clogs that are close, but have some made which are nearly 'exactly' right All my family habitually wear clogs leather upper & full wood type so I'm very happy in them ! All else fails I'll make the uppers myself. On instep support, I think you should consider the evidence present where hay, grass, moss, heather etc are stuffed into shoes for warmth this could also be used for support, however I'd also note I have a very high instep, but prefer barefeet to shoes when possible & have no problems in clogs or turn shoes offering no support, I think modern feet then to be lazy in this way if such a thing is possible :) Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 01:23:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14713 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:23:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F6uWF24767; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:56:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F6u1t11115; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.32]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F6tDt10855 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:55:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from cx181913a ([24.6.180.44]) by femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020115065542.WNPQ617.femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cx181913a> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:55:42 -0800 Message-ID: <010201c19d92$31932f00$2cb40618@vbch1.va.home.com> From: "Linda Rice" To: References: <200201122004.VAA27266@octopussy.math.TU-Berlin.DE> <3C43A7AE.19EC9F4F@dandy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Body Double Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:59:35 -0500 Status: RO Hi Mike! Try this: http://www.taunton.com/threads/index.asp Type in 'dress form' into the search window, it will bring up a bunch of related pages. Here's another one: http://www.leanna.com/DuctTapeDouble/ Hope this helps! I just made one of these a couple of months ago with the help of my sister. It went well, but I don't recommend trying to fill it with expanding foam. (Ask me how I found this out!) I think a better choice would be foam rubber, like cheap carpet padding, stuffed inside. I don't think newspapers are a very good choice, due to the added weight and the non-resiliency factor. I've still got to get this part finished so that I can use the thing. (Ok, so I was a bit frustrated by the expanding foam.... I got _most_ of it off of the floor!) Regards, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 10:53 PM Subject: [h-cost] Body Double Hello, all. just a quick request. Sometime ago there was a post that included a URL to a site that gave instructions on how to create a body double with duct tape, etc. If anyone can direct me there, I would appreciate the assistance. Thanks, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 01:24:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14720 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:24:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F6vfF24886; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:57:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F6vBt11438; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:57:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f120.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F6u5t11131 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:56:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:56:29 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.243 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:56:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.243] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Body Double Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2002 06:56:29.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[C225F210:01C19D91] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:56:29 -0800 Status: RO If you go to www.google.com and search under dress forms, there are three different pages that have methods posted. Jennifer >From: leigh tartaglio >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Body Double >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:53:18 -0500 > >Hello, all. just a quick request. Sometime ago there was a post that >included a >URL to a site that gave instructions on how to create a body double with >duct >tape, etc. If anyone can direct me there, I would appreciate the >assistance. >Thanks, Mike T. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 01:58:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14826 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:58:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F7VWF26868; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:31:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F7V1t19333; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F7Udt19248 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:30:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-148.frys.com [66.121.20.148]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0F7TIr22662 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:29:18 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020114230319.00bc93e0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-Reply-To: <3C43C0E9.873BC0D6@in-tch.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:03:40 -0800 Status: RO >Yeah, tea, water, what more do you need? Cups might be nice ;) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 02:21:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14890 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:21:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F7sWF27971; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:54:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F7s1t24728; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F7rlt24677 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:53:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-100.frys.com [66.121.20.100]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0F7qMr22975 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:52:22 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020114234615.00bcddf0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <200201150236.DAA00360@math.tu-berlin.de> References: <200201140243.g0E2h9t06309@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] molded Humpen, back on topic Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:57:23 -0800 Status: RO >I have never heard of any form of mold being treated like everything >was irreplacably contaminated. I think this thread started when I said I could see mold marks on my tankard. What I meant was that mine was made in a 4+ piece mold, and that I could see the little ridges where the pieces of that mold came together imperfectly. I'm American, not English, so my spelling may have thrown you off. Meanwhile, back on topic (I hope), when did the German potters start using molds to create these raised designs? How did they make them before they used molds? Were there press-molds in use before there were slip-casting molds? I suspect mine was slip-cast. I know it wasn't wheel-thrown. Also, mine is from after 1945, because I noticed it says "Original Gerz W.Germany (something indistinct)" on the bottom. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 03:07:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15058 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:07:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F8eXF29714; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:40:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F8e0t04170; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F8dBt04010 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:39:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id AAA23596 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:56:57 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201150856.AAA23596@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:56:57 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "Melanie Wilson" [...] > >A couple of cloggers from Yorkshire > thought my partner and I were crazy for wearing clogs _with irons_. > > Why ? I've seen plenty of clog dncers with irons I should have been clear. Stepdancers. Clog morris is usually just a rant step, so you're not propelling the shoe along at the same rate. I can _do_ a rant step with shuffle inserted in all the empty spaces in the music, but it's sure harder to do that in my pair that has irons on them. And the irons just don't bounce as well as plain wooden clogs do. And after I broke my own big toe trying to learn a particularly evil Durham step, I've refrained from using the clogs with irons unless I know the step backwards and forwards. ;} > >switch to lighter > shoes than any real regional difference. The Cape Breton and Quebecois > dancers on this continent have noticed similar rising tempos, pushed by > competitions and lighter shoes. > > You mean with the wood change or the iron change ? Change from clogs with irons to plain wood soles, then to what are essentially tap shoes. Lots of difference in weight between the three. > >So one has to wonder what the real historical style looked and > sounded like > > I've seen a few older clogs, and they don't seem much heaviery than my > farmers clogs (walkleys) at least not as I noticed , I'll look out for the > differance more in future :) Walkleys with irons _are_ heavier than the usual shoes used for stepdancing. Among other things, the type of wood one uses for the platform makes a difference in both the weight and the sound. Birch is preferred for dance clogs, but if you get it wet, the wood will rapidly compress down on itself and give a "dead" sound. So they're not ideal for outdoor wear. I know Trefor Owen uses a couple different types of wood for his footbeds, and he chooses the wood based on what you're going to use the clogs for. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 04:13:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15376 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:13:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F9kXF02762; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:46:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F9k1t17820; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F9jIt17679 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:45:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KD3GJ5M63K00FT97@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:47:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KD3GJ4DQV200FFBH@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:47:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:43:01 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:42:50 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.64) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:42:47 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs...OT. In-reply-to: <200201141818.g0EIIOt25714@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <114ACEB3F86@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:42:47 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > I don't recall at this point where I heard the story, but there was > > a thing about someone who was growing up in the area, and growing up > > hearing the sounds of all the hundreds of factory girls clogs on the > > cobblestones as they headed up to work in the morning. ".....and it was all clogs. Clogs on cobbles. Sometimes you couldn't even hear yourself coughing up 't blood....." But that's from a comedy sketch by Victoria Wood that also includes the lines: "I remember when pants really were pants. You wore them for 15 years then cut them down for pan-scrubs.... Or Quilts. We made some lovely quilts from old bloomers. Every gusset a memory. Not bras though, 'cos they won't lie flat you see. We never wore bras around here until after the War. And we used to make lovely rugs. We used to stitch mice to bits of old sacking...." But I digress. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 04:18:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15403 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:18:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0F9pWF02917; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:51:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F9p1t18763; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F9oEt18567 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:50:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KD3GPA696O00FT97@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:52:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KD3GP9XTX800GJSE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:52:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:47:59 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:47:00 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.64) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:46:53 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, (clothing/pattern sizing) In-reply-to: <200201141818.g0EIIOt25714@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <114BEBB091A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:46:53 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > Some time ago I asked the list about US vs. UK sizes and was > > told they were, in theory, the same. BUT the smallest woman's size > > sold in the UK is an 8, so I can't imagine what these 2s and 4s are > > like! > Well, my size 4 pattern sloper is 33" bust, 25" waist. But > American sizing isn't standardized at ALL. Each manufacturer > arrives at their own idea of what sizing should be. This is > compounded by "vanity sizing", in which sizes are labeled much, > much smaller than average, to flatter rich ladies and make them > want to buy a size "4" that is really more like an 8 or 10. Could > this be what's happening here? Because, if Kate Winslett is > really that small, Leo de Caprio must be really, really little. >From having fitted a very small friend for a bodice from Margo's Elizabethan pattern, the size 2 to 4 of Margo's pattern is about what I'd think of as a size 8 to 10 in England. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 04:27:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15465 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:27:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0FA0fF03294; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:00:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FA00t20537; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:00:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F9xLt20402 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:59:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KD3H0IIT7400FT97@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:01:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KD3H0H344O00FXRY@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:01:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:57:01 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:56:15 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.64) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:56:14 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tab A into Slot B In-reply-to: <200201142007.g0EK7Kt27420@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <114E6324E04@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:56:14 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I am currently working on an outfit that calls for a > sewn in sleeve. Well, at least partially. The sleeve > is sewn into the bodice except for the bottom portion > which is left open for extra movement and ventilation. > > Now, my question is how to go about doing this so it > looks right and lays smoothly? What I tend to do in these cases is finish the sleeve head and the armhole like they are seperate garments, then butt the two finished edges together and "ladder-stitch" them together along the areas there they need to be joined. I'm sure other stitches could be used just as effectively but I like ladder-stitch and use it for almost everything where I don't want the stitching to show. As a result I've become fairly quick and very neat at doing it even thought I *hate* hand sewing. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 04:29:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15485 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:29:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0FA2WF03373; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:02:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FA21t20931; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FA1Ut20832 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:01:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KD3H33KSPS00G31L@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:03:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KD3H305KNU00GJSE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:03:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:59:03 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:58:04 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.64) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:58:03 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-reply-to: <200201142007.g0EK7Kt27420@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <114EDF443B7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:58:03 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > If you haven't tried it, don't knock it. Nothing beats a tall glass > > of ice tea with lemon on a really hot day. > > Ah, but you forget. They don't *have* really hot days in the UK > anywhere near the frequency or extremity that we do, so they > haven't had occasion to discover that iced tea is the perfect drink > for multiweek stretches of 90-degree days. Hey, Robin! Are we back at the old "the weather in the UK doesn't get hot enough to warrent gowns made entirely of linen" argument again?.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 04:50:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15596 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:50:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0FANXF04066; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:23:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FAN1t08344; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FAMZt08069 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:22:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KD3HTEM1PS00FNTZ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:25:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KD3HTDHVZU00FXRY@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:25:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:20:19 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:20:02 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.64) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:19:57 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] ANOTHER farthingale question In-reply-to: <200201142332.g0ENWFt22834@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1154BA25D0B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:19:57 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO While Michelle has raised the subject, I need to make a farthingale fiarly quickly and with access to the minimum amount of steel boning (the usual place I get it won't havbe any in for a couple of weeks and I haven't time to shop around so I'm going to re-use stuff from an old 3-hoop "crinoline" I haven't used in years since I outgrew the dress it went under cut it up to make a Ren gown for a friend). The farthingale is for a seven year old girl and needs to be able to get longer as she grows (I figure if I make the hoops to give the wider-coned silhouette at the current size, they can gradually reduce-in-proportion-to-her-height as she grows taller) and plan to put some tucks between each of the hoops that can be let down as she gains height and I let the hems of the skirts down. What I need to do however, is sort out some sort of quick and easy pattern for a farthingale that will fit a seven to ten year old. Any ideas and suggestions would be welcome and much appreciated.... Teddy (leaving for Coronation nine days time, coming down with a cold and still with a mountain of sewing to get done beofre we go!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 05:23:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15717 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:23:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0FAueF05347; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:56:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FAu0t14974; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FAtIt14795 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:55:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from melaniew (213-78-42-158.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.42.158]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADA13109; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:54:15 GMT Message-ID: <00df01c19db4$134be6a0$9e2a4ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:02:07 -0000 Status: RO >I should have been clear. Stepdancers. Clog morris is usually just a rant step, Oh lor you've lost me now. What are the ones which do it on boards, usually ladies just plain clog dancers ? Sorry the intericies of clog dancing is not my specialty :) >Change from clogs with irons to plain wood soles, then to what are essentially tap shoes. Lots of difference in weight between the three. I imagine. Don't the tap shoe variety lose the traditional element of the whole thing ? >Walkleys with irons _are_ heavier than the usual shoes used for stepdancing. . I know Trefor Owen uses a couple different types of wood for his footbeds, and he chooses the wood based on what you're going to use the clogs for. Yes I noticed that I need ones which are very robust outdoors as that in the main is where I wear them mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 06:09:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15904 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:09:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0FBgWF07209; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:42:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FBg1t24187; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FBfCt24005 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:41:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from host213-122-89-37.btinternet.com ([213.122.89.37] helo=dan) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16QRyH-0003mM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:41:41 +0000 Message-ID: <002901c19db9$a1de5e20$90027ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:41:20 -0000 Status: RO Kate wrote: > Some time ago I asked the list about US vs. UK sizes and was told they were, in theory, the same. BUT the smallest woman's size sold in the UK is an 8, so I can't imagine what these 2s and 4s are like! Actually, there are designers who sell 6s and 4s; Amanda Wakeley is one of them. They are small, but I've seen people who fit into them easily... This doesn't usually include people from the USA, since English sizes are smaller in practise, irrespective of the theory... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 06:38:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16006 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:38:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0FCBWF08389; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:11:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FCB0t29950; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FCANt29874 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:10:23 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id DAA24469 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:49:57 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201151149.DAA24469@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:49:57 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "Melanie Wilson" > > >I should have been clear. Stepdancers. Clog morris is usually just > a rant step, > > Oh lor you've lost me now. What are the ones which do it on boards, usually > ladies just plain clog dancers ? Sorry the intericies of clog dancing is not > my specialty :) Stepdancing is usually done on boards, yes. But not just ladies, at least from the folks I learned from. Sam Sherry just died last year, but he was considered one of the best stepdancers from Lancashire. He gave my teacher a brief lesson which set _him_ off and running. Clog morris is usually done for parades, and involves anywhere from 18 to 16 dancers and a brass band. I'm told the modern descendant is done by teams of teenage girls wearing what americans would think of as cheerleader outfits, done to recorded music played over PA systems. Not what I'd like to do, but the girls have an awsome amount of precision in their formations. > >Change from clogs with irons to plain wood soles, then to what are > essentially tap shoes. Lots of difference in weight between the three. > > I imagine. Don't the tap shoe variety lose the traditional element of the > whole thing ? I'd say it's undergoing the same type of change that irish stepdance has. If a tradition is to stay alive rather than becoming a museum piece, some things do have to change. Not all the change is positive, but it at least keeps enough novelty in things to keep the style from going stale and dead. Going from an inflexible sole shoe to a flexible one _also_ changes how the dance steps are done. So it's not just the weight issue. I don't think that stepdancing will mutate as far as Carnival Morris has from its roots, but at least some change is inevitable. Groups of reinactors like us hate to think about things like that, but it's what seperates a living, breathing tradition from reinactment. One is real life. The other is a museum piece. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 08:13:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17030 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:13:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0FDkYF13052; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:46:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FDk1t20829; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FDjht20726 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:45:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14489 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:01:32 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-Reply-To: <114EDF443B7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:01:32 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Teddy wrote: > > Ah, but you forget. They don't *have* really hot days in the UK > > anywhere near the frequency or extremity that we do, so they > > haven't had occasion to discover that iced tea is the perfect drink > > for multiweek stretches of 90-degree days. > > > > Hey, Robin! > > Are we back at the old "the weather in the UK doesn't get hot > enough to warrent gowns made entirely of linen" argument > again?.... Simply providing you folks with a convenient and reasonable explanation for why you have not yet discovered the virtues of iced tea ... ;-) On the other hand, I do wish we used demerara sugar in coffee here. It's on every restaurant table in England, and cheap in the stores, but you can only get it here at gourmet shops and at gourmet prices. (Hey Teddy, if Danielle is still with you, tell her to slip a bag of demerara into her luggage for me, if there's room. I'll see her in May.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 08:54:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17377 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:54:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0FERYF16187; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:27:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FER1t02347; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FEQPt02184 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:26:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from DELTAYLOR@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.18a.1cfff38 (3958) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:26:46 -0500 (EST) From: DELTAYLOR@aol.com Message-ID: <18a.1cfff38.29759625@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18a.1cfff38.29759625_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:26:45 EST Status: RO --part1_18a.1cfff38.29759625_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/2002 4:10:58 AM Central Standard Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes: > > Neither does one ice tea I believe they do in France however. Much > > to my shame my son drinks iced tea, send him to France for 6 months > > & he returns with such filthy habits ;) > > There I have to agree with Mel, I'm afraid. What a horrid idea to > drink your tea *cold*..... > I know this is not costume related but I do have a funny. The first time we went to England our then 17 year old daughter went with us. The first night we went to dinner my daughter ordered ice tea, the waiter without a pause said yes madam. DH and I, wanting to blend in, just ordered tea. The dinner progressed and no iced tea appeared for DD. Finally at the end of the dinner a tea pot was brought out that was slightly beaded with moisture, inside was tea that had evidently been hot when put into a freezer because now it was slightly on the cool side. She never ordered iced tea again in England. We also learned to enjoy room temp. soda pop as well. This was a few years ago. On the costume front, I just received my Elizabethan patterns by Margo and can't wait to begin them. Dianne in Dunlap, TN --part1_18a.1cfff38.29759625_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/2002 4:10:58 AM Central Standard Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes:


> Neither does one ice tea I believe they do in France however. Much
> to my shame my son drinks iced tea, send him to France for 6 months
> & he returns with such filthy habits ;)

There I have to agree with Mel, I'm afraid.  What a horrid idea to
drink your tea *cold*..... <shudder!>


I know this is not costume related but I do have a funny. The first time we went to England our then 17 year old daughter went with us.  The first night we went to dinner my daughter ordered ice tea, the waiter without a pause said yes madam. DH and I, wanting to blend in, just ordered tea.  The dinner progressed and no iced tea appeared for DD.  Finally at the end of the dinner a tea pot was brought out that was slightly beaded with moisture, inside was tea that had evidently been hot when put into a freezer because now it was slightly on the cool side.  She never ordered iced tea again in England.  We also learned to enjoy room temp. soda pop as well. 
This was a few years ago.
On the costume front, I just received my Elizabethan patterns by Margo and can't wait to begin them.
Dianne in Dunlap, TN --part1_18a.1cfff38.29759625_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 09:08:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17478 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:08:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0FEfXF17473; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:41:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FEf1t06672; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20809.mail.yahoo.com (web20809.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0FEeDt06414 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:40:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020115144043.5867.qmail@web20809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.34.73.189] by web20809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:40:43 PST From: Margaret Farrow To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200201150657.g0F6v3t11403@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Titanic dresses Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:40:43 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > Sarah wrote: > My smallest size was a 00, which can only be found > at 5-7-9. I was really > sick at the time, though. Don't ever want to go > back to looking like a > waif... I'm healthy now and happy about it. :) > Sarah I, too, wear small sizes, a childrens' size 12, which at 5'4" runs a little short in the legs and arms, and at 21 years of age gets me more comments than I ever wanted. I have had to resort to wearing baggy cloths at work so that my coworkers will stop commenting. And no, I do not look unhealthy, it simply stems from have a smaller bone structure. Margaret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 09:41:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17682 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:41:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0FFEeF20238; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:14:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FFDvt17555; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:13:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f31.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FFAUt16253 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:10:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:10:55 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.22 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:10:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.22] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2002 15:10:55.0783 (UTC) FILETIME=[D48FA370:01C19DD6] Subject: [h-cost] Drea's "superwide controversy" page Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:10:55 -0500 Status: RO I'm trying to find a page that Drea wrote one, the proceedings from a Costume Symposium set sometime in the future, in which one of the featured talks was about how those silly kids managed to keep their pants up at the turn of the 21st Century. I've not had any luck guessing at the URL for it, does someone have it bookmarked? Parsla _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 09:54:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21854 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:54:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0FFRTF21675; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:27:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FFQvt22933; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:26:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FFM0t20734 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA21664.; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:29:57 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:22:27 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0FFM0t20734 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:21:50 +0000 Status: RO Teddy's suggestion that US 2/4 = UK 8/10 sounds reasonable. Karen wrote: >>> >But, even as a short person, I don't mind the longer inseam. If I tried >to wear petite pants, they would stop above my ankles; I'm really >disproportionate - long arms and legs, *extremely* short waisted (even >so-called petite-sized jackets are always too long on the body, and too >short in the arms). I have exactly the opposite problem - a long waist and short legs! I'm 5'2" Petite tops are too small (because of my bone structure, not my bust size, which is minimal) while I have to search for the shortest trousers I can find. I stay skinny whatever I eat; personally I wouldn't mind a bit more flesh in the right places, but I find if I make a wry comment on my thinness, more well-endowed friends look askance, as though I were boasting of it. Michaela asked "Does France have smaller inches than everyone else?" - well, no, they use metric! I've no idea where they get the figure 38 from. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 09:54:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21858 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:54:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0FFRmF21718; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:27:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FFRFt23073; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:27:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FFMJt20899 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:22:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0FFN2g16048 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10813 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:25:13 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drea's "superwide controversy" page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:25:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO it's at: http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/superwides.htm Enjoy! Drea On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Parsla Liepa wrote: > > I'm trying to find a page that Drea wrote one, the proceedings from a > Costume Symposium set sometime in the future, in which one of the featured > talks was about how those silly kids managed to keep their pants up at the > turn of the 21st Century. I've not had any luck guessing at the URL for it, > does someone have it bookmarked? > > Parsla > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:47:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09812 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:47:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2KTF01840; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:20:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2K2p28749; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FGKXt18279 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:20:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0FGLFV55001 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:21:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200201151621.g0FGLFV55001@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic dresses In-Reply-To: <01ea01c19d60$adc9f680$536428cf@jeanne> "from Jeanne Harney at Jan 14, 2002 08:05:08 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:21:15 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Your daughter is SO not alone there! I get the same thing from people when I say I used to be a dancer... but it amuses me, and I wait for their expression to change as they think about asking me "stripper...?" and then I interject "I mean, I used to teach dance" and they get very embarrassed. I suppose if I really had been a stripper, I'd have a lot of those 'dollars for every time' already in the bank ;) .heather.meadows. > My daughter is one of those "naturally thin" people, but she's not a > size 0 anymore. She teaches dance (tap, jazz, modern, ballet, lyrical, > supported adagio) part time and at 5'5" I don't know what she weighs, > but she's got a 24" waist and is a 34DD (the reason she's not a size 0 > anymore) > She gets WAY more attention than she'd like because of her breasts, and > they make her angry, because she's a dancer. (She HAD a promising career > until she grew breasts. Dancers are "supposed" to be androgynous. > Also, if she had a dollar for every time she said "I'm a dancer" and > people assumed "stripper" she'd have her house paid for.) So basically, > she wears baggy sweaters and looks 20 lbs heavier than she is. > > Jeanne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:48:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09845 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:48:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2LwF01909; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:21:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2Lup29350; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:21:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FGTZp00987 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:29:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.5.1) with ESMTP id g0FGPCU11845 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:25:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115081716.00a7a360@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drea's "superwide controversy" page In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1052640==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:20:48 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_1052640==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Silly me. I got to the bottom of the page and saw "Notes on The Wrestling Laurels" automatically thought it was spoof paper on Laurels in the SCA. At 10:25 AM 1/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: >it's at: >http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/superwides.htm > >Enjoy! > >Drea Gwyn Carnegie University of California, Davis --=====================_1052640==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Silly me. I got to the bottom of the page and saw "Notes on The Wrestling Laurels" automatically thought it was spoof paper on Laurels in the SCA.

At 10:25 AM 1/15/2002 -0500, you wrote:

it's at:
http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/superwides.htm

Enjoy!

Drea

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California, Davis
--=====================_1052640==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:48:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09849 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:48:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2MBF01959; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:22:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2M8p29440; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:22:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FGTbp01021 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:29:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-62-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.62]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0FGPOM242968 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:25:24 -0500 Message-ID: <012001c19de1$e9744c40$3e882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <64.18d28c63.2974fb60@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jeans dilemma answered MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:30:13 -0500 Status: RO part of it happens when they have someone new doing it. When I worked in a tropical wear factory, they often let people who were "trying out" cut/sew the real thing, rather than having them try on something that wasn't going out. I don't know, but maybe Less and other big companies do this as well, and maybe Levi and Wrangler have their newbies and interviews try out on cheap stuff. Moira (still finding it funny that the tropical wear shop was in Massachusetts);-) > I knew the cutting process so I'm wondering-is this just certain > manufacturers? I know it's more cost effective and the most logical way to > cut out that many pair of jeans at a time. I can still wear Wranglers without > trying them on and/or Levi's 501's or 505's, Lee's and Lee Riders seem to be > the worst at sizing. I wear anything from a 10 to a 14 depending on what it > is and who made it. I wear a 12 at 160, at 130 I wear a 7/8, Katie at 130 > wears a 12, she said she's 5'5", I'm 5'6.5". There's not that much difference > in our height. > Any clue? > Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:49:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09856 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:49:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2MdF02041; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:22:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2Map29608; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:22:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20407.mail.yahoo.com (web20407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.126]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0FGc0p07023 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:38:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020115163759.93549.qmail@web20407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:37:59 PST From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C4373D4.E4BF728C@costumemag.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Alter Years (Was: farthingale question) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:37:59 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I'm a little surprised to see a recommendation for Alter Years for a "quick-fix" situation. I don't order from them any more because the few times that I did, it tooks months to get my stuff, and even then it wasn't always right. Of course, the last time I tried was at least a year or two ago. Are they better now? -Angela --- Mary Denise Smith wrote: > Since you are in LA, call over to AlterYears in > Pasadena. They will fix > you up. Phone # is on their web site, > http://www.alteryears.com > > Hope this helps, > > MD/Marged __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:49:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09863 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:49:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2MuF02124; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:22:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2Mrp29721; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:22:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FGklp12769 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:46:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KD3V7XB9RK00DV6Y@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:48:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KD3V7SMS1Y00FEIY@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:48:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:43:47 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:43:17 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.64) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:43:15 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-reply-to: <200201151442.g0FEg9t07146@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <11BAF0A0B40@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:43:15 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > On the other hand, I do wish we used demerara sugar in coffee here. > It's on every restaurant table in England, and cheap in the stores, > but you can only get it here at gourmet shops and at gourmet prices. > (Hey Teddy, if Danielle is still with you, tell her to slip a bag of > demerara into her luggage for me, if there's room. I'll see her in > May.) Will do - but since she arrived with *full* suitcases and only shifts by way of costume and intends to construct at least one Tudor ensemble by the time we set out for my coronation (Thursday morning next week) her homegoing luggage may already be a tad full.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:49:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09870 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:49:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2MmF02101; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:22:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2Mjp29666; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:22:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FGfWp09755 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:41:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0FGNrV55032 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:23:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200201151623.g0FGNrV55032@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Size 0 In-Reply-To: <3C432432.14816.5419A54@localhost> "from kat@grendal.rain.com at Jan 14, 2002 06:32:18 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:23:53 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I had a 5'5" size 0 roommate for a while, and she got all her jeans from victoria's secret. they fit her really well, and were surprisingly well made. .heather. > > > > That would be my youngest sister, who is actually (if such a thing exists) > > > a Size 0. She's recently begun weightlifting and has consequently put on > > > a few pounds, so she weighs 105 lbs (at about 5'6"). She's quite strong, > > > actually, in a wiry way, and eats a very healthy diet. Wish I had her > > > metabolism... Anyway, she can't find clothes that fit, except in the > > > petite section -- but then the jacket sleeves are too short, and the > > > skirts are so short she looks like Ally McBeal (which is not what she > > > wants). Good thing she can sew. > > There are a number of stores which carry size 0. Many are > "petites" but not all of them are. Petite Sophisticates and it's non- > petite part of the chain carry size 0 and the styles are adult, not > child. (Rather than 0-3-5-7-9+, they go 0-2-4-6-8+. The odd number > sizes tend to be more teen/petite proportion with the even number > sizes more adult.) > > There are also several boutique stores which cater to the smaller > women. > > When I was at the size 0 stage, they didn't have even 5-7-9 shops > even for teenage clothes. The dress I did my medical school > admissions interview in was from the girls department, because it > was the only way I could get a dress which didn't hang like a sack > on me. (Those were the 5'4", 100# days that are a thing of the > past, thank God. Thank God for fertility drugs which actually gave > me an adult figure, but not until I was 38 years of age.) > > > Kat > > Kat(June Russell) > kat@grendal.rain.com > Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:49:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09874 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:49:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2N6F02162; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:23:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2N3p29805; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FH9jp26290 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:09:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.47.168ebd48 (3972) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:09:23 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: <47.168ebd48.2975bc42@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_47.168ebd48.2975bc42_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10555 Subject: [h-cost] Re: sizes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:09:22 EST Status: RO --part1_47.168ebd48.2975bc42_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/02 12:58:30 AM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > My own gripe is that current clothing styles (especially jeans) don't > seem to be made for _women_, they are made for telephone poles > instead (which don't have hips). My 12 year old daughter hasn't grown taller yet but has started to fill out in the waist. She is just a bit chubby. I can't find jeans hardly for her. The girls are to small and the misses/adults have hips which she doesn't yet. It is very rare to find a pair to fit her. When I am done with my current 2 projects pants for her are next. It is hard for all kinds of people to find good fitting clothes anymore which is why I make most of my own. Kelly m311@aol.com --part1_47.168ebd48.2975bc42_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/02 12:58:30 AM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


My own gripe is that current clothing styles (especially jeans) don't
seem to be made for _women_, they are made for telephone poles
instead (which don't have hips).


My 12 year old daughter hasn't grown taller yet but has started to fill out in the waist.  She is just a bit chubby.  I can't find jeans hardly for her.  The girls are to small and the misses/adults have hips which she doesn't yet.  It is very rare to find a pair to fit her.  When I am done with my current 2 projects pants for her are next.  It is hard for all kinds of people to find good fitting clothes anymore which is why I make most of my own.
Kelly
m311@aol.com
--part1_47.168ebd48.2975bc42_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:50:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09887 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:50:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2NsF02296; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:23:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2Npp00215; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:23:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0FHgDp15438 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:42:13 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 41809 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jan 2002 17:41:44 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-63.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.63) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 17:41:44 -0000 Message-ID: <008d01c19de2$a46c1140$5e5efea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Where the "Titanic" pictures are posted... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:35:27 -0500 Status: RO For those who missed it the first time around, the pictures of the original "jump" dress and "sinking" coat are at http://www.sensibility.com/titanic/realphotos.htm -- and I just added two corrections given to me by the original owners. One is that the bottom layer of beaded circles is sewn to the black tulle overlay and not through the silk. The other is that the buttons on the pink coat do not have soutache on the buttons but some kind of silk floss sewn over button forms. :-) Jennie Chancey - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:51:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09901 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:51:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2OoF02429; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:24:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2Olp00700; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:24:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FIfap26083 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:41:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion ([213.78.39.183]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACS57807; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:41:27 GMT Message-ID: <008d01c19df4$ce3bef60$b7274ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <200201151149.DAA24469@gw.retro.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:44:28 -0000 Status: RO >Stepdancing is usually done on boards, yes. But not just ladies, at least from the folks I learned from. Sam Sherry just died last year, but he was considered one of the best stepdancers from Lancashire. I'm only familiar with what I've seen in Leicestershire I'm afraid >I'd say it's undergoing the same type of change that irish stepdance has. If a tradition is to stay alive rather than becoming a museum piece, some things do have to change. Groups of reinactors like us hate to think about things like that, but it's what seperates a living, breathing tradition from reinactment. One is real life. The other is a museum piece. Agreed Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:51:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09905 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:51:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2OwF02446; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:24:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2Oup00756; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:24:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FIgtp26822 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:42:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.179]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020115184251.VTXR759.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:42:51 -0600 Message-ID: <3C4477E9.5000408@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Size 0 References: <3C432A03.1390.55855FD@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:41:45 -0600 Status: RO Okay I could see where it would benifit someone like me being able to go a size down on the rack. But to take it to one extream, but sadly a plausible one, the one woman/girl that is balimic or anorexic (sorry guys I still haven't figured out the spell check on the newest version of my browser) goes to the store and gets her size 0 jeans, gets home and finds that she can't button them??? I will let you finish that senerio on your own. Katie sustre@pixelations.com wrote: > > That's apparently not so unusual. There was a report in the paper > (Boston Globe) several years ago documenting this phenomenon- it > happened in all price ranges and through a variety of brands. Many > supposedly identical pairs were measured, and there were differences of > inches among them. > > -Amanda > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:51:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09912 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:51:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2PCF02493; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:25:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2P9p00863; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:25:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FIkMp28644 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:46:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p182.directcon.net [209.233.107.182]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04741 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:45:11 -0800 Message-Id: <200201151845.KAA04741@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] ANOTHER farthingale question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:45:11 -0800 Status: RO >What I need to do however, is sort out some sort of quick and easy >pattern for a farthingale that will fit a seven to ten year old. > The easiest way to do this is to make a gored skirt. For a small girl, you can probably get away with a two-gore, front and back, cutting it from 45" fabric, but you can make more gores is you like. If you want to be more accurate you can make straight front and back pieces and give them triagular side gores a la the Alcega pattern. Make sure you have at least 6-12" or so ease at the waist, so you can gather it to a waist band, or use a drawstring, and adjust it as she gets bigger and still have some gathering for the proper line. You'll want to add about 4" extra length for the spring out from waist to hem, in addition to those grow tucks. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:56:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09985 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:56:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2TwF03193; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:29:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2Ttp02332; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:29:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FJEup14829 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:14:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-196-89.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.196.89]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id E4C1A8A302B for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:14:21 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <012c01c19df9$076ebd40$59c4f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <114ACEB3F86@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs...OT. Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C19DFE.CB99E8C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:57:00 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C19DFE.CB99E8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Teddy, You wrote: ".....and it was all clogs. Clogs on cobbles. Sometimes you couldn't even hear yourself coughing up 't blood....." But that's from a comedy sketch by Victoria Wood that also includes the lines: "I remember when pants really were pants. You wore them for 15 years then cut them down for pan-scrubs.... Or Quilts. We made some lovely quilts from old bloomers. Every gusset a memory. Not bras though, 'cos they won't lie flat you see. We never wore bras around here until after the War. And we used to make lovely rugs. We used to stitch mice to bits of old sacking...." ROTFL Teddy!!! You made my day! I love Victoria Wood, especially the = 'Dinner Ladies' and old 'Acorn Antiques' re-runs. They have me in = stitches. Glad to find a colleague in this, as overhere my wife finds = them mildly funny (and hard to understand...) and I have heard of no-one = else in Nederland who likes her. Am I abnormal? Or what? Incidentally: I like the Alan Bennett monologues as well as I do old = Stanley Holloway rants and Spike Milligan and the Goons. Oh well... I = must be peculiar. Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C19DFE.CB99E8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Teddy,
 
You wrote:
".....and it was all clogs.  Clogs on cobbles.  = Sometimes you
couldn't even hear yourself coughing up 't blood....."

But = that's from a comedy sketch by Victoria Wood that also
includes the = lines:  "I remember when pants really were pants.  You
wore them for = 15 years then cut them down for pan-scrubs.... Or
Quilts.  We made = some lovely quilts from old bloomers.  Every
gusset a memory.  Not = bras though, 'cos they won't lie flat you see.
 We never wore bras = around here until after the War.  And we used
to make lovely = rugs.  We used to stitch mice to bits of old
sacking...."
 
ROTFL Teddy!!! You made my day! I love Victoria Wood, especially = the 'Dinner Ladies' and old 'Acorn Antiques' re-runs. They have me in = stitches. Glad to find a colleague in this, as overhere my wife finds them = mildly funny (and hard to understand...) and I have heard of no-one else in = Nederland who likes her. Am I abnormal? Or what?
 
Incidentally: I like the Alan Bennett monologues as well as I do = old Stanley Holloway rants and Spike Milligan and the Goons. Oh well... I = must be peculiar.
 
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very = own domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C19DFE.CB99E8C0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:57:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10004 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:57:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2UuF03348; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:30:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2Urp02619; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:30:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FKZRp00926 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:35:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.181.21d10b8 (3936) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:35:16 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <181.21d10b8.2975ec83@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Subject: [h-cost] Costume Contest Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:35:15 EST Status: RO The Riversdale House Museum in Riverdale Park, Maryland, is sponsoring a costume contest this spring. Contestants are encouraged to create apparel that might have been worn by the mistress of Riversdale, Rosalie Stier Calvert, and her peers in early Federal Washington, who followed fashion trends of Napoleonic France and Regency England. [1801-1821] Costume entries may be designed for women or men. In addition to the open category, for entries from the general public, there is a special student category which is limited to students currently registered in costume-related classes at under-graduate or graduate levels. Prizes to be awarded to the top three entries in both women's and men's categories, open and student divisions are: 1st prize, $150; 2nd prize, $100, 3rd prize, $50. A panel of judges will make decisions based on background research, design, and workmanship. The costumes will be on display at Riversdale from May 19 to June 16, 2002. If you would like a copy of the rules and an entry form, please email me privately: annbwass@aol.com. Let me know if you prefer a WordPerfect file attachment, a Word attachment, or snail mail. Ann Wass Staff Historian Riversdale House Museum 6005 48th Ave. Riverdale Park MD 20737 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:57:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10011 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:57:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2V3F03377; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:31:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2V1p02674; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FKoPp09351 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:50:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16QaXA-000Nzg-0C for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:50:21 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] ANOTHER farthingale question In-Reply-To: <1154BA25D0B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:47:38 +0000 Status: RO Teddy wrote >While Michelle has raised the subject, > >I need to make a farthingale fiarly quickly and with access to the >minimum amount of steel boning (the usual place I get it won't >havbe any in for a couple of weeks and I haven't time to shop >around so I'm going to re-use stuff from an old 3-hoop "crinoline" I >haven't used in years since I outgrew the dress it went under cut it >up to make a Ren gown for a friend). > >The farthingale is for a seven year old girl and needs to be able to >get longer as she grows (I figure if I make the hoops to give the >wider-coned silhouette at the current size, they can gradually >reduce-in-proportion-to-her-height as she grows taller) and plan to >put some tucks between each of the hoops that can be let down as >she gains height and I let the hems of the skirts down. > Why not make it as is for her current height, with the ability to add another hoop and its associated fabric on the bottom each time as she grows? So when she is 16, her original farthingale will be the top half of her latest one? Would that work, geometrically? Jean >What I need to do however, is sort out some sort of quick and easy >pattern for a farthingale that will fit a seven to ten year old. > >Any ideas and suggestions would be welcome and much >appreciated.... > >Teddy >(leaving for Coronation nine days time, coming down with a cold >and still with a mountain of sewing to get done beofre we go!) > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:57:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10015 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:57:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2V7F03400; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:31:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2V4p02709; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:31:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FKoPp09349 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:50:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16QaXA-0001Tm-0B for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:50:21 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-Reply-To: <3C43C1E9.8B4AB858@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:44:38 +0000 Status: RO Our big event is in north-east Scotland in mid-June. I warn anyone coming from the US (or from Saudi Arabia last year, poor things) that if we're really lucky it might hit the 80s! Bring all your winter garb! JEan Sue Clemenger wrote >Yeah, but how _warm_ did it get? >--Sue (where it's actually cold tonight, so thinking of a warm summer >day sounds pretty good) > >Melanie Wilson wrote: >> >> >Ah, but you forget. They don't *have* really hot days in the UK anywhere >> near the frequency or extremity that we do, so they haven't had occasion >> to discover that iced tea is the perfect drink for multiweek stretches of >> 90-degree days. >> >> Oh yes we do (stamp of foot) we had at least three sunny days this summer >> >> Mel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 20:57:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10019 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:57:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2VBF03420; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:31:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2V8p02737; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:31:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FKoSp09387 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:50:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16QaX9-0001Tl-0B for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:50:21 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:32:41 +0000 Status: RO Parsla Liepa wrote >Sizes ahve changed over time, though. My mother has many of her clothing >from the late 1950s and 1960s. Forty years later, she still has the same >measurements and is able to fit these clothes pretty well still. Those >clothes tend to be a size 12-14. When she buys clothes today she goes for >sizes 4-6-8. > >Parsla Now that's interesting. It implies that British and American sizes used to be much the same, and American sizes have shrunk (or do I mean stretched? The same size person now translates to a smaller size clothes) 12-14 is about average here - 8 is really skinny, 16 is well rounded. -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:00:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10088 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:00:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2XoF03691; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:33:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2Xmp03550; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:33:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FLeup07910 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0FLaAl22919 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:36:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008c01c19e0e$058f6960$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: <200201141814.KAA24649@artemis.directcon.net> <010001c19d8a$93b14300$848f82d1@computer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sizes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:45:54 -0500 Status: RO Greetings-- > Don't know. . . .I know I'm buying men's jeans-- I can get the low rise I > need, with the 32" inseam I also require. Women's clothing insists that if > you are tall, you are proportionally tall. I have a 34" inseam. I am actually only 5'9" tall--the joke I tell is that from the waist up, I'm 5'6", but 6' from the waist down. That makes buying sweaters no problem, but until I found Dockers' Khakis in long lengths, I perpetually had a couple inches of ankle showing (the only other brand that seemed to make pants long enough was Eddie Bauer, and I'm in a weird no-woman's land with them as far as pant sizes--sometimes a 14 works, sometimes an 18). Even the Dockers could use just a touch bit more of length, but at least I don't have to go to a special store for 'em. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:01:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10114 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:01:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2Z5F03870; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:35:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2Z2p04024; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hekili.k12.hi.us (hekili.k12.hi.us [165.248.1.200]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2LXp29270 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:21:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from makani by hekili.k12.hi.us (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0GQ000FC7EJSJK@hekili.k12.hi.us> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:21:28 -1000 (HST) From: annora Subject: Re: [h-cost] sizing and fitting In-reply-to: To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:25:58 -1000 (HST) Status: RO > Teddy's suggestion that US 2/4 = UK 8/10 sounds reasonable. I have several Laura Ashley dresses with "Made in Great Britain" tags where the size label says UK 8, EUR 34, USA 4. My fitting bugaboo is armholes. On almost every sleeveless garment (and living in the tropics, there are many), the armhole gapes about six inches below my actual armpit. I don't think my arms are any skinnier than average. Do other people find this to be the case or is it my body type? I have a very flat ribcage. --annora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:04:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10153 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:04:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2brF04180; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:37:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2bpp04943; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:37:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01e.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.235]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0FN7gp29410 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:07:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 27714 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 23:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.194.102]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jan 2002 23:07:33 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c19e19$8778daa0$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drea's "superwide controversy" page MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:08:22 -0500 Status: RO Did anyone else see this? It is an interesting look at what THEIR costumers were using as reference. This is an ORIGINAL copper engraving of several kinds of ancient shoes. This engraving was printed in 1690 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1502415524 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:04:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10157 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:04:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2bxF04208; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:37:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2bup04990; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:37:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FNFup04279 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:15:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.90] (as3-4-104.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.90]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0FNFqf08115 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:15:54 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114210828.04b02e08@mail.bmee.net> References: <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114185937.04a0ba78@mail.bmee.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114210828.04b02e08@mail.bmee.net> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] !3th Century Highland questions... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:50:20 -0800 Status: RO At 9:10 PM -0600 1/14/02, Gorgeous Muiredach wrote: >Thanks for the lead. Saddly, I've looked at most of Sharon's site >through and through, and she's one of the ones that I often can't >figure what she means... Not something on her part, just my problem >with translating some text into images... I haven't seen that she >addresses winter clothing at all either, but that may be a figment >of my failing memory right now... I think it may be a feature rather than a bug -- there simply _isn't_ much available in the way of visual evidence for medieval Scottish highland clothing -- and precious little in the way of textual evidence. Writing up the scanty evidence there is in such a way that the reader can clearly visualize it would, to some extent, involve adding in a lot of artificial and false certainty. In all likelihood, the best we will ever manage in terms of evidence is a fuzzy, distorted blob, seen through a glass darkly -- and it is for each person to try to interpret what sorts of actual concrete garments could produce that fuzzy blob and would be consistent with what else we know about the period and culture. To the best of my knowledge, Sharon's site is one of the most reliable and informative available on the topic. (Although I might be biased since she's a friend of mine.) You may find sites that have more certainty and provide more concrete and practical information, but in all likelihood, they will be providing it at the cost of sacrificing accuracy and knowledge -- i.e., they may be telling you concrete things that unfortunately aren't so. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:04:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10165 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:04:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2c2F04232; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:38:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2bxp05015; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:37:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FNG1p04331 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.90] (as3-4-104.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.90]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0FNFxf08790 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:15:59 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <032a01c19d83$8fbba300$eaf4fea9@glendaii> References: <032a01c19d83$8fbba300$eaf4fea9@glendaii> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:55:05 -0800 Status: RO At 4:14 PM +1100 1/15/02, Glenda Robinson wrote: >Sarah wrote: >> My smallest size was a 00, which can only be found at 5-7-9. I was really >> sick at the time, though. Don't ever want to go back to looking like a >> waif... I'm healthy now and happy about it. :) >> >> Sarah >> >My goodness! If the American sizing keeps getting bigger, you'll be in >negative numbers! Nah, it's like knitting needle sizes. You start with 0, then 00, then 000, and so forth! :) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:07:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10229 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:07:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2edF04706; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:40:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2eap05853; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:40:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FNc8p16834 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:38:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13305 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:38:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p20.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.20]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA23659 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:38:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201152338.SAA23659@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro and farthingale question In-Reply-To: <20020114225620.45747.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3C43BAC6.6080703@bigpond.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:33:26 -0500 Status: RO If you don't have it made up already with any of the other solutions, how about basket caning? I don't know if the crafts stores in your area still carry it (Michaels in my area doesn't), but I can still find it at some of the smaller stores. -- Mara At 02:56 PM 01/14/2002 -0800, you wrote: >So this leads me to my question... I need to make a >farthingale for an Elizabethan gown. The problem is >that I need to make it FAST (it's for a performance >Thursday night). I don't have time to order hoop >steel from the place I usually get it, so I am >wondering if any of you know of a good substitute for >hoop steel that can be found at a hardware store or >similar place. It doesn't need to be authentic, nor >particularly durable (this will probably be a one time >use piece), it just needs to give the proper >silhouette. Any suggestions? > >Thanks in advance, > >Michelle....the frazzled _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:07:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10239 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:07:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2etF04749; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:40:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2eqp05983; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:40:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20308.mail.yahoo.com (web20308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.89]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0G00rp29413 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:00:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020116000054.57565.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:00:54 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Seriously OT: British Food Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:00:54 -0800 (PST) Status: RO We seem to have several Brits on the list and I have a question. My latest Weight Watchers Food Guide has a new section on "Regional & Ethnic Cuisine" and there is a section for English food. Some of the names of things were, well..., different: Toad in the Hole, Bangers & Mash, etc. But the most sinister-sounding one was "Bubble and Squeak." I'm almost afraid to ask ... is that what you do an hour after eating it? Does anyone know what Bubble & Squeak is? Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:07:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10243 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:07:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2exF04763; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:40:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2eup06019; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:40:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G028p00381 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:02:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17144 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p20.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.20]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA25906 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:02:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201160002.TAA25906@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] !3th Century Highland questions... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114185937.04a0ba78@mail.bmee.net> References: <3C43667F.2020509@tds.net> <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:57:26 -0500 Status: RO At 07:12 PM 01/14/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Ok, here's a question that I suspect all you good folk will be able to >answer for me without blinking an eye. It seems such a basic question, but >I can't for the life of my find the right answer anywhere I look... Which is because there really isn't a lot of good evidence for what the Highland Scots were wearing in that period, unfortunately. >I'm looking at doing garb that is somewhat accurate for a 13th century >highlander. (those of you who'll see me at !@th night, just please >disregard the great playd, I know, it's not "it"...) This is the closest I've gotten: http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Scotland.htm Considering that the Irish and Scots shared a fair bit of their culture still at this point, this site might also be helpful: http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/fenians/IrishClothes.htm >I can't help thinking about how cold it can get in Scotland in Winter and >I'm not too sure what would have been done for Winter garb that would >protect from cold. I have seen references to "moggans", some cloth wrapped >around the legs. I suspect they'd also do something about shoes/boots, but >not sure what. Evidence from later periods suggests that they just got used to the cold, and wore hide shoes... they were noted for their bare legs. Much as later (Scots-Irish) settlers in the Appalachian Mountains astonished visitors by going barefoot even in the worst winter snows... >I'd love to get any and all information possible on this. I'd rather have >more info than less. Also, pushing my luck, I'll say that if anyone has >*pictures* of what would be accurate recreations, that would be >great. Obviously, not only surviving pictures are impossible, but period >pictures at all were, well... not quite possible... But surely *someone* >somewhere, has pictures of garb that would appear to be accurate. Reason >I'm asking for this is that I'm doing *much* better when I can actually see >something rather than have it described at length in texts... > >Thanks y'all. > >Gorgeous Muiredach Not really. Anyone who claims to have more information than McClintock or Dunbar is making it up, IMO. Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:07:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10247 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:07:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2f6F04791; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:41:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2f3p06135; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G0iKp19102 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:44:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:44:13 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E37@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] old pattern sizes (was: Still baffled) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:44:05 -0800 Status: RO > Michaela asked "Does France have smaller inches than everyone > else?" - well, no, they use metric! I've no idea where they > get the figure 38 from. In the older patterns it seems to mean 1/2 the bust measurement, if measured in cm. Conclusion based on having made up 12 garments from "Journal des Demoiselles", various years from 1864-1908. The text usually reads something like "Paletot pour jeune fille, mannequin 42"(1). --cin Cynthia in Tokyo note 1: accent mark omitted for ascii plaintext conversion _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:08:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10267 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:08:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2g8F04970; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:42:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2g6p06561; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:42:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0G2fMp06292 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:41:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 27155 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2002 02:41:25 -0000 Received: from libra.hosting4u.net (209.15.2.27) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2002 02:41:25 -0000 Received: from ctrlalt ([24.252.67.57]) by libra.hosting4u.net ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:41:22 -0600 From: "Allison Thurman" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C19E0D.5E383570" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [h-cost] re: sizing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:41:17 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C19E0D.5E383570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Laning said: My own gripe is that current clothing styles (especially jeans) don't seem to be made for _women_, they are made for telephone poles instead (which don't have hips). - Speak for yourself! I find that MOST womens jeans/pants are "girl-shaped", but then, I emphatically am not (large waist, small hips). I have to make most of my dress pants, and the only jeans that fit me are _men's_ Levi's 501s/505s (they are the same jean, just one has a button fly, the other has a zip). - I guess NONE of us can win! - Allison ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C19E0D.5E383570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable re: sizing

Chris Laning <claning@igc.org> said:

My own gripe is that current clothing styles = (especially jeans) don't
seem to be made for _women_, they are made for = telephone poles
instead (which don't have hips).

        - Speak for = yourself! I find that MOST womens jeans/pants are = "girl-shaped", but then, I emphatically am not (large waist, = small hips). I have to make most of my dress pants, and the only jeans = that fit me are _men's_ Levi's 501s/505s (they are the same jean, just = one has a button fly, the other has a zip).

        - I guess = NONE of us can win!

        - = Allison

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C19E0D.5E383570-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:14:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10345 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:14:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2m6F05690; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:48:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2m3p08396; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:48:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2jRp07646 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:45:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from 209-162-21-181.thegrid.net ([209.162.21.181]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Qg4u-0007GD-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:45:29 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses From: Sarah Lorriane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:43:36 -0800 Status: RO on 1/15/02 11:55 AM, Heather Rose Jones at hrjones@socrates.Berkeley.EDU wrote: > At 4:14 PM +1100 1/15/02, Glenda Robinson wrote: >> Sarah wrote: >>> My smallest size was a 00, which can only be found at 5-7-9. I was really >>> sick at the time, though. Don't ever want to go back to looking like a >>> waif... I'm healthy now and happy about it. :) >>> >>> Sarah >>> >> My goodness! If the American sizing keeps getting bigger, you'll be in >> negative numbers! > > Nah, it's like knitting needle sizes. You start with 0, then 00, > then 000, and so forth! :) > > Heather LOL! Yeah, I was gettin' kind of worried that I would start hitting the negative numbers... It was hard enough as it was to find 00. I even took to wearing a child's size 10-12 when I was stuck. It helped that kid's fashions were pretty much minaturized adult fashions, though. Of course, I went from having nothing to wear because my old wardrobe was too big, to having nothing to wear because the new wardrobe was too small. Went through *a lot* of money trying to sort that out... :P Sarah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:21:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10455 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:21:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G2s5F06874; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:54:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2s1p10888; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2o8p09036 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:50:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A7D37A450090; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:39:15 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020115205326.04324690@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] !3th Century Highland questions... In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114210828.04b02e08@mail.bmee.net> <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114185937.04a0ba78@mail.bmee.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114210828.04b02e08@mail.bmee.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:55:21 -0600 Status: RO >>Thanks for the lead. Saddly, I've looked at most of Sharon's site >>through and through, and she's one of the ones that I often can't figure >>what she means... Not something on her part, just my problem with >>translating some text into images... > > >I think it may be a feature rather than a bug -- there simply _isn't_ much >available in the way of visual evidence for medieval Scottish highland clothing Heather, I think you misread me. I thoroughly understand the problem. And I have found Sharon's site most helpful in many other areas. I guess my question reformulated would be: Does anyone have pictures of garb made based on accurate information such as that garnered on Sharon's site? Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:26:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10575 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:26:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G309F07866; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:00:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G305p13649; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:00:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G2t0p11422 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:55:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9006A3012C; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:44:16 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020115205738.01a5f7f8@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] 13th Century Highland questions... In-Reply-To: <200201160002.TAA25906@saltmine.radix.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114185937.04a0ba78@mail.bmee.net> <3C43667F.2020509@tds.net> <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:01:03 -0600 Status: RO >Which is because there really isn't a lot of good evidence for what the >Highland Scots were wearing in that period, unfortunately. Glad to know it's not entirely my fault >Evidence from later periods suggests that they just got used to the cold, >and wore hide shoes... they were noted for their bare legs. Much as later >(Scots-Irish) settlers in the Appalachian Mountains astonished visitors by >going barefoot even in the worst winter snows... That I wasn't aware of... Alas, it is not possible for me to do so. Too many reasons to explain ehre, but one of them is health concerns... Perhaps I should look into a different area, like become an inuit? :-) >Not really. Anyone who claims to have more information than McClintock or >Dunbar is making it up, IMO. As I just said on another answer on this topic, I'm not so much looking at first hand pictures. Rather, at recreated garb based on folks such as McClintock, Dunbar et als. Not quite as accurate as possible, yet better than nothing. Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:32:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10672 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:32:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G36CF08319; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:06:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G369p15530; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:06:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G300p13572 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:00:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA2B7140142; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:49:15 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020115210644.00a04518@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously OT: British Food In-Reply-To: <20020116000054.57565.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:07:21 -0600 Status: RO >Does anyone know what Bubble & Squeak is? I believe it often is a dish of left overs involving cabbage, potatoes, and either bacon or beef. Onions too. Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:38:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10778 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:38:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G3C3F08967; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:12:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G3C0p17307; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G374p15822 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-65.gti.net [208.216.115.65]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id F072C145AB4 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:07:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C44EE75.F9519FDE@gti.net> From: Deb Rand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Size 0 References: <200201151621.g0FGLFV55001@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:07:33 -0500 Status: RO I was once a sz 0. When I was 27 yo I weighed 92 lbs. and stayed in that range until I was about 30. I'm almost 5'5" so I really did look sickly. My friends-even strangers, would even ask me outright if I was sick-if I had "the virus", or if I had an eating disorder-which I did not.. People can be pretty rude. The real reason I was so thin was from nerves. At 27, I had been in a pretty bad relationship for over 5 years & the stress of it all just started taking its toll on my nerves & one of the results was that I just couldn't eat very much-ever. Plus, I guess after a while the stomach starts to shrink, making the tiniest portion of food seem very filling. My whole life I had always been on the thin side, 110-115 lbs; a size 3-4, but those sz 0 years were definitely the scrawniest I had ever been. Now I'm 33 yo and weigh 126. I'm a sz 4-6 and definitely look much better. I feel healthier & more attractive. People tell me I look better. But I must admit, it is so weird now that I can actually gain weight. Anyway..just thought I'd share. The point is, not all sz 0s are super-skinny because they are dieting. Lisa > My daughter is one of those "naturally thin" people, but she's not a > size 0 anymore. She teaches dance (tap, jazz, modern, ballet, lyrical, > supported adagio) part time and at 5'5" I don't know what she weighs, > but she's got a 24" waist and is a 34DD (the reason she's not a size 0 > anymore) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 21:56:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11133 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:56:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G3U5F10679; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:30:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G3U2p22406; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G3Snp22043 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:28:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2242.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.242]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07785 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:28:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3C44F2CE.FAB5F020@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] !3th Century Highland questions... References: <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114185937.04a0ba78@mail.bmee.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:26:07 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. I think what Sharon was trying to say, in so many words, is what the costume folks for "Braveheart" should have gotten, which is that the Scots were wearing pretty much what everyone else in Europe was wearing in the 13th Cent.. The Highlanders were probably a few years behind, not because of any culturally bigoted reasons, just because they were at the end of the earth, fashion-wise, although you can argue that the Greenlanders of the 14th cent. managed to mantain their fashion sense even to the end (thanks, Marc, for your contributions to this effort). All of the clothing items associated with Scotland (Bonnets, plaids and the like), are far later. The western Isles had their association and contact with Ireland (see Mairead Dunlevy's book "Dress in Ireland" for details). McClintock's book has all the pictures that I think are out there on the earlier period. Check online for some of the reenactor webrings in Britain, and I'm sure that the groups there will share what info they have. You might also want to check with the National Museum in Edinburgh. They have various artifacts (including a few shoes, IIRC) that could help. Good Luck, Mike T. Gorgeous Muiredach wrote: > Ok, here's a question that I suspect all you good folk will be able to > answer for me without blinking an eye. It seems such a basic question, but > I can't for the life of my find the right answer anywhere I look... > > I'm looking at doing garb that is somewhat accurate for a 13th century > highlander. (those of you who'll see me at !@th night, just please > disregard the great playd, I know, it's not "it"...) > > I can't help thinking about how cold it can get in Scotland in Winter and > I'm not too sure what would have been done for Winter garb that would > protect from cold. I have seen references to "moggans", some cloth wrapped > around the legs. I suspect they'd also do something about shoes/boots, but > not sure what. > > I'd love to get any and all information possible on this. I'd rather have > more info than less. Also, pushing my luck, I'll say that if anyone has > *pictures* of what would be accurate recreations, that would be > great. Obviously, not only surviving pictures are impossible, but period > pictures at all were, well... not quite possible... But surely *someone* > somewhere, has pictures of garb that would appear to be accurate. Reason > I'm asking for this is that I'm doing *much* better when I can actually see > something rather than have it described at length in texts... > > Thanks y'all. > > Gorgeous Muiredach > Rokkehealden Shire > Middle Kingdom > aka > Nicolas Steenhout > "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 22:26:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11771 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:26:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G405F13319; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:00:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G402p00801; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G3rVp28795 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:53:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2242.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.242]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05868 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:53:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3C44F89B.B618C186@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hemp (WAS: Web sites that sell fabrics suitablefor costuming) References: <2.2.32.20020115022521.0070876c@mail.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:50:51 -0500 Status: RO Hi. Ron, you are on the Constant? Great! Say hello to Terry Bond for me when you see him. I copied the breeches from the upper right figure on the cover page of Waghenaer's "The Mariner's Mirrour" (1588). You can see a copy at http://www.slac.stanford.edu/pubs/icfa/logo.html My wife is knitting me up a thrumcap at her leisure. BTW, Terry might be able to assist the other gentleman on the list with questions about medieval Scottish clothing. Please forward the info to him if you can. I have misplaced his e-mail address currently. Thanks, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 22:38:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12035 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:38:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G4BkF14388; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:11:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G4Bhp04048; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:11:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0F1x3t19893 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:59:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from ha2sca-mail1.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.155.62]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00220 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from witchesbrew (dsl196-219.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.196.219]) by ha2sca-mail1.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with SMTP id g0F1xTI07798 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:59:29 -0800 (PST) From: sharon zakhour To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: "Your message with ID" <01ea01c19d60$adc9f680$536428cf@jeanne> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] jeanne@parrotfantasy.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: sharon zakhour List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:11:46 -0800 (PST) Status: RO AMEN! I'm VERY busty (though I'm quite large, but I was never smaller than a D cup when I was thin). My daughter, who is 9, wants to be a ballet dancer. She has lots of talent, but of course is worried about her own body when it begins to develop. She's a bean pole now, like her father, but even HIS mother and sister are well endowed. I'm half Italian and that side of the family is large, though my mother was never bigger than an A cup except when she was pregnant. So, we'll just have to see. But to think she's a stripper.... HOW DEPRESSING is that? Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 22:38:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12042 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:38:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G4BvF14406; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:11:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G4Bsp04101; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:11:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0FHuWp23557 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:56:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.171.72ad2e4 (3926); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:56:18 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <171.72ad2e4.2975c742@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] HAPPY DANCE.... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:56:18 EST Status: RO The inspector came this morning. He took scrapings from various parts of the house and put them in test tubes, added some chemicals and came out with orange bits that dropped to the bottom of the tubes. This is apparantly a good thing. He said all we have to do is pressure wash the house with a fungicide, then sand and paint the wood rather than stain. Moderately expensive and vaguely time consuming but the house gets to stay and so do we! Does anyone out there have the vaguest idea how happy and relieved I am right now? I hope everyone has as good a day as mine has proved thus far. Thanks for all the e-mails and support. Lady G Anne Gramma Gryphon Gryphon me _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 22:47:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12220 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:47:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G4KaF14959; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:20:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G4KXp06426; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:20:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G4G6p05305 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:16:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.149.7e4e73a (4539) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:16:01 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <149.7e4e73a.29765881@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sizes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:16:01 EST Status: RO In a message dated 15/1/02 8:34:37 PM, nicolaa@columbus.rr.com writes: << I have a 34" inseam. I am actually only 5'9" tall--the joke I tell is that from the waist up, I'm 5'6", but 6' from the waist down. >> Ditto, only at 5'6", the one good thing I've found is that the Lee's and Lee Riders actually come in a Tall that IS indeed a TALL. Average I've gotten is a 35 inseam. I have one pair I have to cuff because it's a 36. I Hate high water pants, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 22:48:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12237 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:48:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G4KfF14971; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:20:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G4Kcp06459; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:20:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G4HLp05629 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:17:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2242.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.242]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27146 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:17:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3C44FE32.B358E306@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT:mold References: <200201140243.g0E2h9t06309@net.indra.com> <4.1.20020114203627.00bcf8c0@mail.frys.com> <031801c19d82$0041b4e0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:14:42 -0500 Status: RO Hi, all. The fungus Claviceps purpurea is responsible for ergot poisoning. The alkaloid derived from the fungus is related structurally to lysergic acid diethylamide. A similar compound is also found in some morning glory seeds which were used by the Aztecs for trance/divinatory activities. Glenda, when you see the Jamestown episode, note that the big bearded fellow who shoots the one fellow (whose body has all the lead in it) is also one of the musketeers that executes another later. That is Fred, one of the reenactors from Jamestown. Last St. Maries muster, we were teasing him, calling him Fred the Assassin. To tie this in alltogether, there was also another incident at Jamestown dealing with a toxic alkaloid. Appareently, the settlers, starving, were convinced that a certain plant growing nearby was spinach. They ate it, and some died. The plant was Datura Stramonica, also called Jimson, or Jamestown weed. This plant is in the Solanaceae family, which includes Mandrake, and from which atropine has been synthesized. For all of you asthmatics out there, the medicine Atrovent is a synthetic structural analogue of the same. Mike T. (aka Michael Graham, Barber-Surgeon) Glenda Robinson wrote: > Yep. That's right. There was a doco recently on Ergot poisoning on Aus TV. > They mentioned the LSD derivative there. The theory was that "Bewitchment" > in the Mediaeval times may have been Ergot poisoning. The symptoms are the > same, and it happened more in the Rye-growing areas. Next week, the same > series has a show on the Jamestown massacre, which I'm really looking > forward to - right up my alley. > > Glenda. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 3:39 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT:mold > > > >I learned > > >about ergot (Mutterkorn) as a kid. It is caused by the fungus Claviceps > > >purpurea. > > >It likes to grow in rye grains, especially when the weather is > particularly > > >wet. > > > > Doesn't LSD derive from ergot, or at least, isn't it related chemically?, > > asked the former Hippie? A former LSD-user, of my acquaintance, told me > > that was the case. > > > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > > ////-@@\\\ > > (((( 7 ))) > > ((( <> )))) > > ) (((((( > > /----\ /---\)) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 23:11:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12829 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:11:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G4ibF17001; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:44:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G4iXp13305; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:44:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G4Y6p10166 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:34:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2242.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.242]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29302 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:34:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3C45021F.3AC883C6@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] molded Humpen, back on topic References: <200201140243.g0E2h9t06309@net.indra.com> <4.1.20020114234615.00bcddf0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:31:27 -0500 Status: RO Hi, Katya, the Romans were using a form of mold (though not with slipcasting) to make their Samian Ware (modern archaeological terminology). Egyptians did the same with Faience. The Germans were using molds in the 16th Cent for some pieces, but in most cases (like the faces and other decorations on the ceramics) were usind wooden or ceramic molds for pressed clay items, then using slip to attach the decorations to the wheel-thrown bodies. Not until the advent of plaster molds, used to wick away the water, was true slipcasting done. Nonetheless, there is a pipeclay (white bodied) piece from the late 16th/early 17th cent. in the Phila. Art Museum that has mold seams (probably from the aforementioned wooden or ceramic molds). A similar jug/drinking vessel can be seen in the Clara Peeters still-life of 1597 in Munich. The name Humpen also refers to a fairly large volume (for the period) beaker with straight or slightly tapered sides, usually a beer rather than a wine or spirits glass. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 23:18:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13044 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:18:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G4q4F17671; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:52:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G4q0p15335; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G4gPp12732 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:42:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.169.7374644 (4539) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:42:17 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <169.7374644.29765ea9@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously OT: British Food To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:42:17 EST Status: RO Teddy, I believe the floor is yours- Grin, Lady G In a message dated 15/1/02 8:41:34 PM, joan_the_harpist1119@yahoo.com writes: << We seem to have several Brits on the list and I have a question. My latest Weight Watchers Food Guide has a new section on "Regional & Ethnic Cuisine" and there is a section for English food. Some of the names of things were, well..., different: Toad in the Hole, Bangers & Mash, etc. But the most sinister-sounding one was "Bubble and Squeak." I'm almost afraid to ask ... is that what you do an hour after eating it? Does anyone know what Bubble & Squeak is? >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 23:22:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13164 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:22:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G4u8F18077; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:56:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G4u5p16590; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:56:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G4oLp14951 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:50:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2cust119.tnt13.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.194.126.119] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Qi1n-0004pZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:50:23 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4506A3.4050600@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <2.2.32.20020115022521.0070876c@mail.verizon.net> <3C44F89B.B618C186@dandy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]Thrums, was Hemp Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:50:43 -0500 Status: RO What's a thrumcap? Is it by any odd chance made of thrums? One always wants to do something practical with them... Anne leigh tartaglio wrote: > >My wife is knitting me up a thrumcap at her leisure. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 23:31:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13399 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:31:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G54aF18882; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:04:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G54Xp19025; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:04:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G4uWp16744 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:56:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2cust119.tnt13.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.194.126.119] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Qi7m-0002fX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:56:34 -0800 Message-ID: <3C450817.3040106@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] HAPPY DANCE.... References: <171.72ad2e4.2975c742@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:56:55 -0500 Status: RO Oh, how wonderful! All this angst was so that power washing and all the rest of it looks good...;^) Anne LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: >The inspector came this morning. He took scrapings from various parts of the >house and put them in test tubes, added some chemicals and came out with >orange bits that dropped to the bottom of the tubes. This is apparantly a >good thing. He said all we have to do is pressure wash the house with a >fungicide, then sand and paint the wood rather than stain. Moderately >expensive and vaguely time consuming but the house gets to stay and so do we! >Does anyone out there have the vaguest idea how happy and relieved I am right >now? I hope everyone has as good a day as mine has proved thus far. >Thanks for all the e-mails and support. >Lady G >Anne >Gramma Gryphon >Gryphon >me > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 23:31:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13409 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:31:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G54mF18897; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:04:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G54ip19078; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:04:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop008pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.235]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G4vpp17257 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:57:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (pool-151-199-136-182.norf.east.verizon.net [151.199.136.182]) by pop008pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g0G4vpqL010451 Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:57:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020116045840.0071fb44@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hemp (WAS: Web sites that sell fabrics suitablefor costuming) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:58:40 -0500 Status: RO At 10:50 PM 1/15/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hi. Ron, you are on the Constant? Great! Say hello to Terry Bond for me when >you see him. I copied the breeches from the upper right figure on the cover >page of Waghenaer's "The Mariner's Mirrour" (1588). You can see a copy at >http://www.slac.stanford.edu/pubs/icfa/logo.html >My wife is knitting me up a thrumcap at her leisure. BTW, Terry might be able >to assist the other gentleman on the list with questions about medieval >Scottish clothing. Please forward the info to him if you can. I have misplaced >his e-mail address currently. Thanks, Mike T. > I do see him around though I do not have his email address. I can see what I can do for you. He is not with the ships but with the indian village. I am having a thrum cap made as well. Jamestown's source is Kristina Buckland who has become very expensive and very slow to deliver. Now that I think about it however, I have been waiting a long while any way....I should look into that. I have copies of the faceplates (both the English and the orginal Nederland) for The Mariner's Mirror. Is it the english version you mean? (I am suspecting so due to your use of the English title. I am always pleased to meet someone who has an interest in16th century nautical history and actually knows what they are talking about! (Your recognition of the the thrum cap proves to me you do). So often it is just the movie image of later day pirates with a touch of Hornblower! Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 23:31:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13413 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:31:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G54wF18932; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:04:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G54tp19157; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:04:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G510p18115 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:00:08 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E4A@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]Thrums, was Hemp MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:00:56 -0800 Status: RO They're very small. You put one on each thrum for warmth. --cin Cynthia not particularly helpful in Tokyo > What's a thrumcap? > > Is it by any odd chance made of thrums? One always wants to > do something practical with them... > > Anne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 23:45:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13748 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:45:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G5J4F19960; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:19:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G5J0p23017; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop011pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.238]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G5Bsp21034 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:11:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (pool-151-199-136-182.norf.east.verizon.net [151.199.136.182]) by pop011pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g0G5BtYS006700 Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:11:56 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020116051243.00715ec4@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT:mold Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:12:43 -0500 Status: RO At 11:14 PM 1/15/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, all. The fungus Claviceps purpurea is responsible for ergot poisoning. The >alkaloid derived from the fungus is related structurally to lysergic acid >diethylamide. A similar compound is also found in some morning glory seeds >which were used by the Aztecs for trance/divinatory activities. Glenda, when >you see the Jamestown episode, note that the big bearded fellow who shoots the >one fellow (whose body has all the lead in it) is also one of the musketeers >that executes another later. That is Fred, one of the reenactors from >Jamestown. Last St. Maries muster, we were teasing him, calling him Fred the >Assassin. To tie this in alltogether, there was also another incident at >Jamestown dealing with a toxic alkaloid. Appareently, the settlers, starving, >were convinced that a certain plant growing nearby was spinach. They ate it, >and some died. The plant was Datura Stramonica, also called Jimson, or >Jamestown weed. This plant is in the Solanaceae family, which includes >Mandrake, and from which atropine has been synthesized. For all of you >asthmatics out there, the medicine Atrovent is a synthetic structural analogue >of the same. Mike T. (aka Michael Graham, Barber-Surgeon) > >Glenda Robinson wrote: > I wasn't aware that Datura grew here, let alone that it had a nickname based on the area! Datura grew all over the area I grew up, the most people had no idea of what it was. Wild tobacco as well. That was in Los Angeles of all places. Datura was used by some indigeneous peoples in mexico in a similiar method to what you mention about morning glory seeds. It is however very dangerous. Castaneda gave a recipe for it's use, which I have been assured is incoreect and could kill a person. (my past is coming back to haunt me....) In a completly unrelated topic, but closer to topic, I would like to reccommend the nineteenth century patterns sold by James County Mercantile. They were originally called The Great American Pattern Emporioun or something like that and are now called Homespun patterns. They are meant for the American Civil War market so they are all about that period. What I like about them is that they are usually taken form extant garments (sometimes from tailors cutting books etc.). They will describe the materials and colors used on the original, and they generally follow period construction techniques (not all these companies do). I am presently making myself a sack suit which is what brings it to mine. (That in my annoying habit of always trying to include a list relevant note in any obviously non-topical post I make, no matter how thinly veiled. Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 23:45:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13755 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:45:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G5JFF19978; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:19:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G5JBp23050; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:19:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp004pub.verizon.net (smtp004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.183]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G5Glp22313 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:16:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (pool-151-199-136-182.norf.east.verizon.net [151.199.136.182]) by smtp004pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g0G5Gmf17715 Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:16:48 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020116051736.00702b70@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]Thrums, was Hemp Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:17:36 -0500 Status: RO At 09:00 PM 1/15/02 -0800, you wrote: > >They're very small. You put one on each thrum for warmth. >--cin >Cynthia not particularly helpful in Tokyo > >> What's a thrumcap? >> >> Is it by any odd chance made of thrums? One always wants to >> do something practical with them... >> >> Anne >> A thrummed or thrum cap is made of thrum. It is a goofy looking woolen cap used very commonly by sailors through out the 16th and 17th centuries. In woodcuts it often appears to be fur, and they have been misidentified in some secondary sources due to that. Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 23:53:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13916 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:53:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G5R4F20493; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G5R0p25085; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G5Jap23222 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:19:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2cust119.tnt13.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.194.126.119] helo=earthlink.net) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QiU6-0003g1-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:19:39 -0800 Message-ID: <3C450D7E.2080507@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]Thrums, was Hemp References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E4A@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:19:58 -0500 Status: RO That would be small! I should clarify. Thrums, as weavers use the word, at least, are the pieces of warp thread left when you cut a finished piece of cloth off the loom. You can have a lot of thread left over, but it is all in these pieces, and how much fringe can you really use? But it drives us crazy to throw it all out. I was wondering if this cap was something devised to use these short threads. Anne Cynthia Barnes wrote: >They're very small. You put one on each thrum for warmth. >--cin >Cynthia not particularly helpful in Tokyo > >>What's a thrumcap? >> >>Is it by any odd chance made of thrums? One always wants to >>do something practical with them... >> >>Anne >> > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 15 23:56:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13997 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:56:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G5TfF20665; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:29:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G5Tcp25848; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:29:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G5PZp24770 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:25:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:25:33 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E4D@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]Thrums, was Hemp MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:25:31 -0800 Status: RO What's thrum? I'm guessing it's hemp-related since that's the general gist of the thread. Got a picture? --cin Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 00:15:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14405 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:15:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G5n7F22142; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:49:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G5n2p01218; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G5i5p29523 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m210.in-tch.com [216.166.191.210]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0G5WnL01494 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:32:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C451428.8745A711@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] sizing and fitting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:48:24 -0700 Status: RO Uhm....Could it just be the style of the garment? --sue annora wrote: My fitting bugaboo is armholes. On almost every sleeveless > garment (and living in the tropics, there are many), the armhole gapes > about six inches below my actual armpit. I don't think my arms are any > skinnier than average. Do other people find this to be the case or is it > my body type? I have a very flat ribcage. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 00:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14696 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:29:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G62dF22963; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:02:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G62Zp04515; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:02:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G5rkp02386 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:53:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.137]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0G53LZ30276 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:03:21 +1100 Message-ID: <031001c19e51$f9ea3560$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20020116000054.57565.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously OT: British Food MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:52:22 +1100 Status: RO This must be an accurate recipe - The site says it's from the Two Fat Ladies, who, if you don't know of them, are a pair of the more old-fashioned style of British TV cooks. Brilliant stuff! BUBBLE AND SQUEAK (Two Fat Ladies) Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method -------- ------------ -------------------------------- 1 pound cold potatoes 2 ounces dripping or lard 1 onion -- finely chopped 8 ounces cooked cabbage or sprouts -- chopped Salt Black pepper -- freshly ground Finely chop the potatoes and crush slightly. In a frying pan melt half the fat and lightly fry the onion. Mix in the potato and greens and season well. Add more dripping or lard. Press the bubble into the hot fat and fry over a moderate heat until browned underneath. Turn the bubble over, add the last of the fat and fry until the other side is browned. I got this from http://www.recipesource.com/ethnic/europe/british/00/rec0039.html It's another one of these 'using up the leftovers' foods. There, of course, will be as many different recipes as there are families in Britain, as is the norm with these traditional dishes. As for the Bubbling and squeaking, I think it's the sound the food makes, but the H-Costumers that are resident in GB would know for sure. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 00:32:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14781 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:31:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G65UF23300; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:05:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G65Qp05172; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:05:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G5tgp02821 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:55:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.179]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020116054704.NOEK759.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:47:04 -0600 Message-ID: <3C451398.4090604@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] HAPPY DANCE.... References: <171.72ad2e4.2975c742@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:46:00 -0600 Status: RO I am so happy for you Lady. I could never imagine what it would be like to be faced with knowing you are going to loose everything like that. *hug* Katie LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > The inspector came this morning. He took scrapings from various parts of the > house and put them in test tubes, added some chemicals and came out with > orange bits that dropped to the bottom of the tubes. This is apparantly a > good thing. He said all we have to do is pressure wash the house with a > fungicide, then sand and paint the wood rather than stain. Moderately > expensive and vaguely time consuming but the house gets to stay and so do we! > Does anyone out there have the vaguest idea how happy and relieved I am right > now? I hope everyone has as good a day as mine has proved thus far. > Thanks for all the e-mails and support. > Lady G > Anne > Gramma Gryphon > Gryphon > me > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 00:37:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14889 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:37:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G6B4F23503; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:11:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G6B0p06465; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G637p04682 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:03:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.179]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020116060309.NWBO759.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:03:09 -0600 Message-ID: <3C45175E.5080309@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously OT: British Food References: <169.7374644.29765ea9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:02:06 -0600 Status: RO I think I know, but since Lady G gave Teddy the floor I won't make a fool of myself by possibily getting it wrong. *L* Katie LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > Teddy, I believe the floor is yours- > Grin, > Lady G > > In a message dated 15/1/02 8:41:34 PM, joan_the_harpist1119@yahoo.com writes: > > << We seem to have several Brits on the list and I have a > question. My latest Weight Watchers Food Guide has a > new section on "Regional & Ethnic Cuisine" and there > is a section for English food. Some of the names of > things were, well..., different: Toad in the Hole, > Bangers & Mash, etc. But the most sinister-sounding > one was "Bubble and Squeak." I'm almost afraid to ask > ... is that what you do an hour after eating it? Does > anyone know what Bubble & Squeak is? >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 00:51:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15134 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:51:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G6ObF24126; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:24:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G6OXp09695; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:24:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G6Fap07720 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:15:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.179]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020116061537.OYIA658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:15:37 -0600 Message-ID: <3C451A49.4020608@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously OT: British Food References: <20020116000054.57565.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> <031001c19e51$f9ea3560$eaf4fea9@glendaii> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:14:33 -0600 Status: RO Okay I know now. Bangers and Mash is a sausage and mashed potato dish, and Toad in the Hole is a pastry filled with meat and mashed potatoes....I think. *L* I watch the British Comedies on PBS every Saturday, and used to watch BBC America when I had a dish. Then when I lived in Germany I watch BBC more then I watched AFRTS (which I called A Farts affectionately. *L*) One of the Fat Ladies died awhile back...don't remember which one though. Katie Glenda Robinson wrote: > This must be an accurate recipe - The site says it's from the Two Fat > Ladies, who, if you don't know of them, are a pair of the more old-fashioned > style of British TV cooks. Brilliant stuff! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 01:10:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15506 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:10:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G6i4F25094; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:44:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G6i0p14222; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G6ewp13567 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:40:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.137]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0G5oYZ31079 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:50:34 +1100 Message-ID: <043901c19e58$922fc780$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: <20020116000054.57565.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> <031001c19e51$f9ea3560$eaf4fea9@glendaii> <3C451A49.4020608@tds.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously OT: British Food MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:39:37 +1100 Status: RO Katie wrote: > > One of the Fat Ladies died awhile back...don't remember which > one though. > That would be Jennifer. Saw a documentary on her life and she sure lived it! On topic bit: I'm making some waistcoats for my boys this week. It's amazing how the pattern around the armholes turn out the same shape as 17th century doublets! I suppose it's the same as how Owen's Yoda undertunic 'just happened' to be the same pattern as an Anglo-Saxon style Dark Age tunic :-) Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 01:32:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15948 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:32:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G765F26058; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:06:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G760p19530; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G6vop17485 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:57:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion ([213.78.39.19]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADB31688; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:57:50 GMT Message-ID: <00e801c19e5b$acecd7e0$13274ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114185937.04a0ba78@mail.bmee.net> <3C44F2CE.FAB5F020@dandy.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] !3th Century Highland questions... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:01:16 -0000 Status: RO >Scots were wearing pretty much what everyone else in Europe was wearing in the 13th Cent.. I note highland scots may have used local dyes as opposed to the more expensive imported ones, there is a history of local dyes in Scotland which is somwhat different from London at the same time Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 01:35:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15997 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:35:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G790F26222; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G78up20216; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:08:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G710p18271 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion ([213.78.39.19]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADB31790; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:01:01 GMT Message-ID: <011001c19e5c$1ec9b540$13274ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020115210644.00a04518@mail.bmee.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously OT: British Food MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:04:27 -0000 Status: RO >I believe it often is a dish of left overs involving cabbage, potatoes, and either bacon or beef. Onions too. Correct most often on Mondays using Sunday roast leftovers ! Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 02:38:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17253 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:38:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G8C6F29164; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:12:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G8C0p05291; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G899p04485 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:09:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-63.frys.com [66.121.20.63]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0G87Lr28114 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:07:22 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020116000150.00ae15f0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously OT: British Food In-Reply-To: <20020116000054.57565.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:03:35 -0800 Status: RO >But the most sinister-sounding >one was "Bubble and Squeak." I'm almost afraid to ask >... is that what you do an hour after eating it? Does >anyone know what Bubble & Squeak is? My mother (we live in California) has a recipe for Bubble and Squeak, involving feeding garden snails bread and lettuce for a week before you cook them. Probably a different dish entirely. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 02:38:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17264 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:38:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G8CTF29190; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:12:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G8CPp05381; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:12:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G89Ap04492 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:09:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-63.frys.com [66.121.20.63]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0G87Nr28118 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:07:23 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020116000427.00c4ad20@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] jeanne@parrotfantasy.com In-Reply-To: References: <"Your message with ID" <01ea01c19d60$adc9f680$536428cf@jeanne> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:05:17 -0800 Status: RO Hey - strippers can make good money. Not much costume... ;) >But to think she's a stripper.... HOW DEPRESSING is that? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 02:41:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17338 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:41:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G8FOF29517; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:15:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G8FJp06188; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:15:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G89Cp04506 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:09:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-63.frys.com [66.121.20.63]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0G87Or28121 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:07:25 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020116000814.00adf990@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20020116000814.00adf990@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]Thrums, was Hemp In-Reply-To: <3C4506A3.4050600@earthlink.net> References: <2.2.32.20020115022521.0070876c@mail.verizon.net> <3C44F89B.B618C186@dandy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:09:53 -0800 Status: RO >Is it by any odd chance made of thrums? One always wants to do something >practical with them... Thrums, as in, twisted leftover lumps and bits of thread or fibre? If so, put 'em in a box and send them to me. I also do fibre art, and I applique these onto other fabric for interesting texture. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 02:41:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17342 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:41:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G8FRF29542; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:15:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G8FNp06215; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:15:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G89Dp04515 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:09:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-63.frys.com [66.121.20.63]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0G87Qr28124 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:07:26 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020116001610.00c43470@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where the "Titanic" pictures are posted... In-Reply-To: <008d01c19de2$a46c1140$5e5efea9@jchancey> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:16:24 -0800 Status: RO Thank you. Jennie Chancey writes, in a message sent 11:35 AM 1/15/02 -0500: >For those who missed it the first time around, the pictures of the original >"jump" dress and "sinking" coat are at >http://www.sensibility.com/titanic/realphotos.htm -- and I just added two >corrections given to me by the original owners. One is that the bottom layer >of beaded circles is sewn to the black tulle overlay and not through the >silk. The other is that the buttons on the pink coat do not have soutache on >the buttons but some kind of silk floss sewn over button forms. > >:-) > >Jennie Chancey > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns >http://www.sensibility.com >winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 02:44:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17384 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:44:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G8I5F29716; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:18:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G8I1p06857; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20708.mail.yahoo.com (web20708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0G8Alp05029 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:10:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020116081050.41706.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web20708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:10:50 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously OT: British Food To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020116000054.57565.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:10:50 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Joan Bubble and squeak is a dish of potatoes and cabbage or brussel sprouts. The name comes from the noise that the vegetables make in the pan when they are cooking. Nothing more sinister than that. The same goes for sausages = bangers as old fashioned sausages have a tendency to explode in the pan. As to the Toad in the Hole, your guess is as good as mine. But there is no doubt it tastes great. Enjoy! Rachel --- Joan Garner wrote: > We seem to have several Brits on the list and I have > a > question. My latest Weight Watchers Food Guide has > a > new section on "Regional & Ethnic Cuisine" and there > is a section for English food. Some of the names of > things were, well..., different: Toad in the Hole, > Bangers & Mash, etc. But the most sinister-sounding > one was "Bubble and Squeak." I'm almost afraid to > ask > ... is that what you do an hour after eating it? > Does > anyone know what Bubble & Squeak is? > > Iohanna the Harper > [Joan Hall] > "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" > "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 02:55:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17641 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:55:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G8TPF00453; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:29:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G8TKp09414; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:29:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20703.mail.yahoo.com (web20703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.176]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0G8Jap07195 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:19:36 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020116081939.41349.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web20703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:19:39 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: sizing To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:19:39 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO My own gripe with Ladies trousers is that no-matter what size you buy when you sit down they are too tight at the front and hang loose at the back, to such an extent to make long tops an absolute necessity. Also for those of us in the smaller sizes no-one realises that we can have curves too, I'm a UK size 8, but my waist is definately not straight up from my hips as some clothing manufactuerers seem to think. So what do I do - wear skirts! Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 03:08:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA17970 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:08:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G8Z5F00793; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:35:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G8Z1p10640; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20709.mail.yahoo.com (web20709.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.182]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0G8UEp09632 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:30:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020116083017.47907.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web20709.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:30:17 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously OT: British Food To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C451A49.4020608@tds.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:30:17 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Katie Toad in the hole is actually sauages cooked in Yorkshire pudding batter (flour, eggs and milk). Seriously bad for you but tastes great! Rachel --- Katie wrote: > Okay I know now. Bangers and Mash is a sausage and > mashed > potato dish, and Toad in the Hole is a pastry filled > with meat and > mashed potatoes....I think. *L* I watch the British > Comedies > on PBS every Saturday, and used to watch BBC America > when I had > a dish. Then when I lived in Germany I watch BBC > more then I > watched AFRTS (which I called A Farts > affectionately. *L*) > > One of the Fat Ladies died awhile back...don't > remember which > one though. > > Katie > > Glenda Robinson wrote: > > > This must be an accurate recipe - The site says > it's from the Two Fat > > Ladies, who, if you don't know of them, are a pair > of the more old-fashioned > > style of British TV cooks. Brilliant stuff! > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 03:14:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA18137 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:14:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G8mbF01372; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:48:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G8mWp13367; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:48:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G8gWp12270 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:42:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:41:40 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E56@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] sillly corset tale Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:41:39 -0800 Status: RO > Also for those of us in the smaller sizes no-one > realises that we can have curves too, Now that reminds me of a tale. A certain bride of my acquaintance decided that she & all her bridesmaids would be wearing 1902 gowns. (Lovely dresses, lovely wedding, too.) During the process we made corsets, petticoats, skirts & chemises. Early on in the corset-making process, one valiant, non-sewing bridesmaid asked the bride what "this piece" was for. Bride carefully explained the concept of gussets and Edwardian corset shapes. Bride then said "We all need them, except for Cin who can leave the gussets out". Bride now claims that I, in a fit of pique replied "I have tits, too ya know!" --cin Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 03:35:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA18623 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:35:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G994F03039; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:09:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G990p17534; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G91Kp15825 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:01:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.235]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020116090122.QPL11568.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:01:22 +0100 Message-ID: <3C45416A.30000@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] seriously OT British Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:01:30 +0100 Status: RO As to the Toad in the Hole, your guess is as good as mine. But there is no doubt it tastes great. Enjoy! Rachel That is funny. Would you belive me if i said that there is a lace filling called that: "Toad in a hole" Very pretty two :-) I hate brittish food, they cant cook! Did you ever taste their Shepperds Pie? Yark!!!! I remember Nicole Kippar was overwhelmed by the danish food when she last was here. I dont blame her, living in the UK. Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 03:46:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19048 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:46:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G9K6F03559; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:20:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G9K0p19930; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G9Afp17987 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:10:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.235]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020116091043.SQO11568.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:10:43 +0100 Message-ID: <3C45439A.8030502@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Merveilleuse Muck Up Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:10:50 +0100 Status: RO Hi My regency dress only needs to be hemmed. I am doing that today. Yesterday they showed a program about Napoleon, and there they showed lots of prints with merveilleuses. Ladies exposed their breasts in the streets. The bodice was cut to under the breasts. I think it was something psykologic, there was a severe revolution going on, and all the people didnt know what to do! Well my Merveilleuse dress isnt like that. Even though i builded another bodice than the Arnold pattern, i made two center back panels and eylet holes in the back to be laced, it looks quite close to the original. But i would not make it in that material i used one more time ( bridal satin and organza ) It falls very beautifull but it is much two heavy for that style! A good advice is: Dont use bridal satin for a regency gown!!!! Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 04:08:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19745 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 04:08:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G9g5F04380; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:42:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G9g0p24674; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G9YEp22888 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:34:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA18203.; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:41:46 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:34:16 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] seriously OT British Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0G9YEp22888 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:33:55 +0000 Status: RO Bjarne wrote: >I hate brittish food, they cant cook! >Did you ever taste their Shepperds Pie? Yark!!!! >I remember Nicole Kippar was overwhelmed by the danish food when she >last was here. I dont blame her, living in the UK. Hey, hey! I have to rise to this challenge! All countries' dishes are good when they're well prepared. The problem in Britain is that we seem to be more tolerant of poor food in the cheaper type of restaurant than some other countries are. Yes, Toad in the Hole is sausages in batter. The meat and potato in pastry is a Cornish Pasty. Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 04:08:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19749 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 04:08:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G9gGF04395; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:42:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G9gBp24711; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:42:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0G9dQp24067 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:39:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p357-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.193.103]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id WAA13134 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:39:26 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host p357-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.193.103] claimed to be user Message-ID: <004a01c19e70$bef2e640$67c1adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E37@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] old pattern sizes (was: Still baffled) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:32:39 +1300 Status: RO > > Michaela asked "Does France have smaller inches than everyone > > else?" - > well, no, they use metric! I've no idea where they get the figure 38 from. > In the older patterns it seems to mean 1/2 the bust measurement, if measured in cm. But this is a modern jacket. And it would make the jacket barely 76cm round the top, which is about my waist measurement. Might be that they take an inch to mean 2.4cm rather than 2.5.. I just used my calculator to work that out;). I know that miles are different country to country. We use metric here too, but dress sizes have always been based on inches, so that women here by fabric by the metre but if you buy a pattern it's scaled to the inch thing... and bras are say 36A etc, with the cm in brackets. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 04:41:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19988 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 04:41:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0GAFAF05578; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:15:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GAF5p07925; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:15:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20701.mail.yahoo.com (web20701.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.174]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0GADVp00949 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:13:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020116101334.9995.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web20701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:13:34 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] seriously OT British To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C45416A.30000@post12.tele.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:13:34 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Bjarne I hope you are joking. British food is wonderful, and there is more to it than grease and fat! Saying that one dish from a whole country is like coneming Germany for having an unhealthy facination with Worst, or the French with frogs legs. Rachel British to the backbone! --- Leif Drews wrote: > As to the Toad in the Hole, your guess is as good as > mine. But there is no doubt it tastes great. > > Enjoy! > Rachel > > That is funny. Would you belive me if i said that > there is a lace > filling called that: "Toad in a hole" > Very pretty two :-) > I hate brittish food, they cant cook! > Did you ever taste their Shepperds Pie? Yark!!!! > I remember Nicole Kippar was overwhelmed by the > danish food when she > last was here. I dont blame her, living in the UK. > > Bjarne > > -- > > > Leif Drews > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > 1635 København V > > Bjarne Drews > Åboulevard 5,3.th > 1635 København V > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > Homepage: > http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 05:15:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA20131 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:15:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0GAm6F06831; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:48:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GAm0p26163; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GAblp22528 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:37:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.235]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020116103750.NZDQ16766.fepD.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:37:50 +0100 Message-ID: <3C455805.20306@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] seriously OT British References: <20020116101334.9995.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:37:57 +0100 Status: RO Hi. Well! yes it was a joke, but it is true that it is hard for a tourist in London to find places with good british food. I had to use foreign restaurants every evening to get a proper meal. When i go to another country i am always looking for original food. I am not discerning in my taste, when i just visited France this summer i ate snails with good apetite :-) Bjarne Rachel wrote: >Bjarne > >I hope you are joking. British food is wonderful, and >there is more to it than grease and fat! Saying that >one dish from a whole country is like coneming Germany >for having an unhealthy facination with Worst, or the >French with frogs legs. > >Rachel >British to the backbone! > > --- Leif Drews wrote: > As >to the Toad in the Hole, your guess is as good as > >>mine. But there is no doubt it tastes great. >> >>Enjoy! >>Rachel >> >>That is funny. Would you belive me if i said that >>there is a lace >>filling called that: "Toad in a hole" >>Very pretty two :-) >>I hate brittish food, they cant cook! >>Did you ever taste their Shepperds Pie? Yark!!!! >>I remember Nicole Kippar was overwhelmed by the >>danish food when she >>last was here. I dont blame her, living in the UK. >> >>Bjarne >> >>-- >> >> >>Leif Drews >>Åboulevard 5, 3 th >>1635 København V >> >>Bjarne Drews >>Åboulevard 5,3.th >>1635 København V >> >>tlf. 35 37 13 70 >> >>My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >>Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph >> >>Homepage: >>http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 06:53:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20499 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:53:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0GCR6F10380; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:27:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GCR0p15163; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20307.mail.yahoo.com (web20307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0GCHSp13477 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:17:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020116121732.77412.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.30.47] by web20307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 04:17:32 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: sizing To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020116081939.41349.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 04:17:32 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: >I'm a UK size 8, but my waist is definately not >straight up from my hips as some clothing >manufactuerers seem to think. >So what do I do - wear skirts! I have a similar problem, but at the other end of the size spectrum! My waist is too small for the rest of me (measurements: 50" - 35" - 50") so I spend my mundane life in elastic-waist full skirts. Pants that fit over my hips drape themselves about my waist in festive swags. Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 07:04:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20580 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:04:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0GCc6F10947; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:38:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GCc1p17293; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20305.mail.yahoo.com (web20305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0GCUnp15898 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:30:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020116123049.42477.qmail@web20305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.30.47] by web20305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 04:30:48 PST From: Joan Garner To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <031001c19e51$f9ea3560$eaf4fea9@glendaii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] 1.) Bubble & Squeak 2.) Toddler Tunics Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 04:30:48 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Thanks, Glenda, for the recipe. According to The Giant Food Bible, a cup of this stuff would only be about 1/10th of my food allotment for the day. I get to garb my grandson! Anthony, who is 22 months old and my pride and joy (he's brilliant, charming, funny & handsome, I tell you!!), gets to have a tunic made so he can come to a couple of events with me. I plan to make a basic T-tunic, but I'm not sure how long and how "full" to make it. I'm thinking of making it fairly straight and slit up the sides to wear over some plain "legging-style" pants. (He's still in diapers.) Any suggestions? Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 07:26:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20716 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:26:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0GD08F12084; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:00:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GD02p21807; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GCsgp20552 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:54:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.195.11e4867 (3948) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:54:36 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <195.11e4867.2976d20c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] HAPPY DANCE.... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:54:36 EST Status: RO In a message dated 15/1/02 11:05:11 PM, afmmurphy@earthlink.net writes: << Oh, how wonderful! Anne >> Thank you other Anne, >BG< Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 07:37:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20832 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:37:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0GDBIF12681; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:11:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GDB0p24263; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GD23p22268 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-175.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.175]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5332D7D54 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:01:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3C457C34.8EDB84E4@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Busk Question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:12:20 +0100 Status: RO Hi, Did they put a busk in 16th century corsets? Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 07:40:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20873 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:40:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0GDDuF12825; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:13:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GDDpp24893; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:13:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GD4Qp22778 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:04:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.15d.760a191 (3948) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:04:21 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.760a191.2976d454@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] HAPPY DANCE/Many Many thanks Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:04:20 EST Status: RO to each and everyone who send word of your concern, for all your prayers and happy thoughts and good vibes that were sent our way. Knowing there were so many wonderful people keeping "the vibe up" (as we used to say back when) made waiting for the news on the house easier. Again, My Thanks, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 07:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20877 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:40:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0GDE1F12843; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GDDtp24917; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:13:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GD6xp23302 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 367EE3A82B6 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:07:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <024f01c19e97$25bbcec0$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] seriously OT British MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:07:34 -0600 Status: RO And I happen to like Shpherd's Pie! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] seriously OT British > > Bjarne wrote: > >I hate brittish food, they cant cook! > >Did you ever taste their Shepperds Pie? Yark!!!! > >I remember Nicole Kippar was overwhelmed by the danish food when she > >last was here. I dont blame her, living in the UK. > > Hey, hey! I have to rise to this challenge! All countries' dishes are good when they're well prepared. The problem in Britain is that we seem to be more tolerant of poor food in the cheaper type of restaurant than some other countries are. > Yes, Toad in the Hole is sausages in batter. The meat and potato in pastry is a Cornish Pasty. > > > Leif Drews > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > 1635 København V > > Bjarne Drews > Åboulevard 5,3.th > 1635 København V > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 07:59:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20972 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:59:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0GDX6F13960; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:33:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GDX0p29639; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GDOFp27715 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:24:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA01488.; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:31:49 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:24:18 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] old pattern sizes (was: Still baffled) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0GDOFp27715 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:23:48 +0000 Status: RO Michaela wrote (re. French dress sizes) >But this is a modern jacket. And it would make the jacket barely 76cm >round >the top, which is about my waist measurement. Might be that they take an >inch to mean 2.4cm rather than 2.5.. I just used my calculator to work that >out;). I know that miles are different country to country. The French have used the metric system for 200 years, so it's unlikely their dress sizing has *anything* to do with inches. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 07:59:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20976 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:59:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0GDXZF14005; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:33:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GDXUp29751; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:33:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GDVLp29243 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:31:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from melaniew (213-78-40-61.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.40.61]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACT01198; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:31:12 GMT Message-ID: <02fa01c19e93$2f0c4940$df104ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] seriously OT British MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:38:36 -0000 Status: RO > Bjarne wrote: > >I hate brittish food, they cant cook! I object to this many Brits can cook, very well thank you ! You hatred of our food is a personal response and cannot be disagreed with, but not the ability of a whole nation to cook please ! Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 08:54:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21186 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:54:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0GES7F18132; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:28:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GES1p15019; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GEOJp14114 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:24:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22076 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:39:46 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: H-costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busk Question In-Reply-To: <3C457C34.8EDB84E4@kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:39:46 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > Did they put a busk in 16th century corsets? This isn't my period, and I'm sure it depends on when in the 16th century you're talking about, and where, but I do remember running across a reference in an English satirical poem criticizing women's fashion from the very end of the century. Speaking *strictly* from memory, it was almost certainly "Pleasant Quippes for Upstart Newfangle Gentlewomen," and the verse in question went something like "The bonnie busk, which holds down flat, the bed wherein the babe doth breed" and went on from there. If there is demand, I will dig out the reference and date. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 09:20:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21296 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:20:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0GEs8F20287; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:54:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GEs2p23369; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GEnTp21989 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:49:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-175.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.175]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7F37C08 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:49:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3C45956E.9BB2647C@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busk Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:59:58 +0100 Status: RO I was thinking of Spain 1560-1580 And I was wondering if it is comfortable.. Greetings, Deredere Robin Netherton wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > > > Did they put a busk in 16th century corsets? > > This isn't my period, and I'm sure it depends on when in the 16th century > you're talking about, and where, but I do remember running across a > reference in an English satirical poem criticizing women's fashion from > the very end of the century. Speaking *strictly* from memory, it was > almost certainly "Pleasant Quippes for Upstart Newfangle Gentlewomen," and > the verse in question went something like "The bonnie busk, which holds > down flat, the bed wherein the babe doth breed" and went on from there. > > If there is demand, I will dig out the reference and date. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 09:41:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21484 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:41:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0GFDCF22553; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:13:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GFD5p02557; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:13:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us [192.154.67.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0GF0Up25948 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:00:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [198.86.80.179] ([198.86.80.179]) by cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (Mail-Gear 2.0.0) with SMTP id M2002011610003409674 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:00:34 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busk Question From: Grace Morris To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C45956E.9BB2647C@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:00:32 -0500 Status: RO Providence Day School Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 1/16/02 9:59 AM, "Deredere & Owen Iskander" wrote: > I was thinking of Spain 1560-1580 > And I was wondering if it is comfortable.. > > Greetings, > Deredere Before I swore off wearing corsets( because of the heat, mostly) my corset had a busk. I had no trouble with the comfort level, but it didn't extend too far down in front. Grace/Jessamyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:37:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28480 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:37:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H29DF06227; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:09:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H291R17531; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GFpkp23713 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:51:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip37.vanc6.pacifier.com [66.43.2.37]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0GFp4X27208 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:51:04 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] sizing and fitting Message-ID: <3C453234.20068.D48A372@localhost> Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:56:36 -0800 Status: RO > My fitting bugaboo is armholes. On almost every sleeveless > garment (and living in the tropics, there are many), the armhole gapes > about six inches below my actual armpit. I don't think my arms are any > skinnier than average. Do other people find this to be the case or is it > my body type? I have a very flat ribcage. Believe it or not, that sounds like a bustline problem. Back before the fertility drugs gave me a bust, I had the same problem with armholes. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:42:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28506 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:42:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2GBF06884; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:16:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2G8R20017; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:16:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GG1Sp29038 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:01:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.91.16a3924a (30950) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:01:19 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <91.16a3924a.2976fdcf@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busk Question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:01:19 EST Status: RO In a message dated 16/1/02 8:55:03 AM, triade@kabelfoon.nl writes: << > On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > > Did they put a busk in 16th century corsets? >> The Dorothea Sabina von Neuberg moire pair of bodies (corset) has a 24"x2" casing for a busk and is dated 1598. That is currently the only extant corset outside of QEI's effigy corset. Having worn corsets with and without busks I can state that the busk changes the line of the gown so depending on the piece, I'd put either one in or add extra boning in the front. On a similar note-My husband mundanely works for a swordsmith, my hubbys boss is (finally) seriously thinking of adding a busk dagger to his ilne of weapons. This after my nagging him for 3 years. The questions I have are-would you as re-enactors/recreationists be interested in owning a busk dagger, what price range would the corsetiers on list be willing to pay, what would you look for in one (size range, materials for the sheathe, length of actual dagger, would a dagger be best or would a stilletto be preferrred etc). Please let me know either on or off list. In Service, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:44:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28519 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:44:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2IOF07136; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:18:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2ILR20749; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:18:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (dsl092-160-084.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.160.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GGDSR01094 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:13:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from gideonfamily.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC50811F for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:13:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C45A69D.3F612758@gideonfamily.org> From: Andrea Gideon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <20020116123049.42477.qmail@web20305.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] 2.) Toddler Tunics Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:13:17 -0500 Status: RO > > I get to garb my grandson! Anthony, who is 22 months > old and my pride and joy (he's brilliant, charming, > funny & handsome, I tell you!!), gets to have a tunic > made so he can come to a couple of events with me. I > plan to make a basic T-tunic, but I'm not sure how > long and how "full" to make it. I'm thinking of > making it fairly straight and slit up the sides to > wear over some plain "legging-style" pants. (He's > still in diapers.) Any suggestions? > > Iohanna the Harper At that age, I made my son A-line tunics that reached almost to the floor, with really full sleeves. In the begining, he wore them with no pants (in the summer) and as he grew, he could add the pants. With no pants, made diaper changes very easy. Giovanna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:44:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28523 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:44:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2IdF07194; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:18:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2IaR20898; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:18:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GGaiR15235 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:36:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9927BBD0090; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:25:54 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116104226.01a5aee0@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] seriously OT British In-Reply-To: <02fa01c19e93$2f0c4940$df104ed5@melaniew> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:45:43 -0600 Status: RO At 07:38 AM 1/16/2002, you wrote: > > Bjarne wrote: > > >I hate brittish food, they cant cook! > >I object to this many Brits can cook, very well thank you ! You hatred of >our food is a personal response and cannot be disagreed with, but not the >ability of a whole nation to cook please ! I think Bjarne's response is classic of what many visitors to the UK have. I am *convinced* you can have good food in the UK, although I haven't found the spots. I suspect the good food is often found in the families and private homes, and that the restaurants where you can find great *british* fare aren't all that current. I've done lots of pubs in my 4 times in Scotland/Wales/England, but of course, nowhere near enough to be able to judge the whole thing. I can just say that there were no memorable meals at any of those pubs... But phew, this *is* off topic... :-) Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:45:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28530 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:45:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2IZF07173; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:18:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2IVR20845; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:18:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GGVtR12605 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:31:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A86745360102; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:20:55 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116103952.01a5aee0@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously OT: British Food In-Reply-To: <20020116081050.41706.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020116000054.57565.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:40:57 -0600 Status: RO >As to the Toad in the Hole, your guess is as good as >mine. But there is no doubt it tastes great. Toad in the hole is actually good farmer's sausage cooked in yorkshire pudding, not just "pastry". If you're not familiar with it, it's worth trying. *real* good. :-) Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:46:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28536 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:46:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2KWF07450; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:20:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2KTR21551; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:20:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GHm7R00486 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:48:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from 3cust87.tnt8.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.193.117.87] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QuAN-0004L1-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:48:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3C45B6F6.4000505@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] jeanne@parrotfantasy.com References: <"Your message with ID" <01ea01c19d60$adc9f680$536428cf@jeanne> <4.1.20020116000427.00c4ad20@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:23:02 -0500 Status: RO Actually - I've helped costume strippers... they do have, shall we say, specific needs? I worked several years in a costume rental place for Halloween. This place also, the rest of the year, did uniforms for theme restaurants and the like, and a lot of custom work. One of their clients was a "gentleman's club" where they costumed the waitresses. High class strip joint. Anyhow, one year one of their dancers came in. She wanted a Halloween costume for her routine on the day, and had gotten our address from the waitresses. She very delicately explained her needs to me... and we found a bunch of things and took them in the dressing area where she tried them on, and then tried them off, so to speak. I arranged for the alterations she needed, told the machine operator I'd explain later when she argued that things were too short, too tight... Nice girl, actually. Had the sense to come in before the season got busy, so she could have my time and some privacy. Started with an almost lady-like look, though just that bit too short... We had a few others, too, less elegant, took less trouble over it, got glitzier, more vulgar looking costumes, more what you think of. Though one of them came in with her husband! Anne Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >Hey - strippers can make good money. Not much costume... ;) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:46:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28542 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:46:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2KbF07472; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:20:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2KYR21594; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:20:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GHsuR04437 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:54:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.49.16ea915a (4357) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:54:45 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <49.16ea915a.29771865@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sizing and fitting To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_49.16ea915a.29771865_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:54:45 EST Status: RO --part1_49.16ea915a.29771865_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/02 9:35:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, lisleong@k12.hi.us writes: > On almost every sleeveless > garment (and living in the tropics, there are many), the armhole gapes > about six inches below my actual armpit. I don't think my arms are any > skinnier than average. Do other people find this to be the case or is it > my body type? I have a very flat ribcage I do not have a flat anything but do have the same problem with the armholes. I know to make them smaller when I use a commercial pattern (not very often) and when I buy something sleeveless, I make sure it is possible to fix the armhole or buy it to wear as a jumper only. It is really stupid of them to make these things so open that everyone can check out your bra when you lift your arm. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_49.16ea915a.29771865_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/02 9:35:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, lisleong@k12.hi.us writes:


On almost every sleeveless
garment (and living in the tropics, there are many), the armhole gapes
about six inches below my actual armpit.  I don't think my arms are any
skinnier than average.  Do other people find this to be the case or is it
my body type?  I have a very flat ribcage
      I do not have a flat anything but do have the same problem with the armholes.  I know to make them smaller when I use a commercial pattern (not very often) and when I buy something sleeveless, I make sure it is possible to fix the armhole or buy it to wear as a jumper only.  It is really stupid of them to make these things so open that everyone can check out your bra when you lift your arm.

Lalah
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--part1_49.16ea915a.29771865_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:47:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28546 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:47:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2KgF07530; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:20:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2KcR21632; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:20:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f92.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.92]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GHtER04614 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:55:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:55:09 -0800 Received: from 164.58.10.125 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:55:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.58.10.125] From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2002 17:55:09.0569 (UTC) FILETIME=[F049CF10:01C19EB6] Subject: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:55:09 -0600 Status: RO >From: Leif Drews >Well! yes it was a joke, but it is true that it is hard for a tourist >in >London to find places with good british food. All things consider, when trying not to starve wandering about by myself in England (I didn't out of England so I can't speak for the rest of Britain) I found a number of small restaurants and pubs that served very good food. Certainly, as might be expected, I didn't like everything I tried -- and things made in different places by different people were frequently completely different (some for the better, some for the worse). So much so, that aside from the occasional forays into American food (London being replete with McDonalds and KFC), I didn't have time to try anything OTHER than English food. Now, it's true that the cooking isn't generally terribly -complex-, and I think the poor reputation may have come from having made a national cuisine out of "basic home cooking", but what the heck - I come from someplace where "biscuits and gravy' and 'grits' are considered normal food. Marc _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:49:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28554 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:49:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2N1F07922; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2MvR22586; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:22:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepB.post.tele.dk (fepB.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.145]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GKQxR01801 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:26:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.251]) by fepB.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020116202659.GCGX22989.fepB.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:26:59 +0100 Message-ID: <3C45E21A.4030609@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] seriously OT British Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:27:06 +0100 Status: RO Hi Yes i se it was a bad thing to say! I am sorry if i offended you! I must admit, it was carelessly of me to say that british in genneral dont know how to cook! Please forgive me! Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:49:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28556 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:49:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2MwF07905; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:22:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2MsR22554; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:22:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepB.post.tele.dk (fepB.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.145]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GKNXR29665 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:23:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.251]) by fepB.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020116202333.GBOK22989.fepB.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:23:33 +0100 Message-ID: <3C45E14C.7010806@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] giving up making costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:23:40 +0100 Status: RO Dear List. I have ben thinking a lot lately. Making costumes have ben a very passionate thing for me, but i think that i want to give it up. I have supplied friends, socalled friends with costumes and i have worked many many hours. It has ben fun, but now i dont know any more. When i count all the work and se what i have ben paid for doing it, it is a laughing stock buisines. Perhaps it is my own faults because i have not ben able to sell myself properly, and those people i have made costumes for didnt say: Hey that is way two cheap! You must have more! It has ben ages and ages since i made clothes for myself, the house sometimes have ben a mess all because i have not had the time! Really i quit! But i want to stay with you. It is rather fun to discuss costumes with you, i enjoy it very much. But it mostly wil be as a lurker. Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:49:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28561 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:49:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2MlF07859; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:22:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2MhR22439; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:22:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GKHIR25961 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:17:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from [128.32.6.85] (doeadpub280.Lib.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.6.85]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0GKHH605478 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:17:18 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <171.72ad2e4.2975c742@aol.com> References: <171.72ad2e4.2975c742@aol.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com, undisclosed-recipients:; From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] HAPPY DANCE.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:51:01 -0800 Status: RO At 12:56 PM -0500 1/15/02, LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: >The inspector came this morning. He took scrapings from various parts of the >house and put them in test tubes, added some chemicals and came out with >orange bits that dropped to the bottom of the tubes. This is apparantly a >good thing. He said all we have to do is pressure wash the house with a >fungicide, then sand and paint the wood rather than stain. Moderately >expensive and vaguely time consuming but the house gets to stay and so do we! >Does anyone out there have the vaguest idea how happy and relieved I am right >now? I hope everyone has as good a day as mine has proved thus far. >Thanks for all the e-mails and support. Having been through (limited) dry rot problems in the past, I imagine you're feeling about the same as when the doctor says, "It wasn't malignant after all, and we seem to have gotten all of it." Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:49:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28567 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:49:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2N7F07950; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2N3R22636; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GKY1R05826 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Qwkz-000DT6-0X for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:34:01 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie In-Reply-To: <3C44F2CE.FAB5F020@dandy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Subject: [h-cost] ends of the earth Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:25:39 +0000 Status: RO leigh tartaglio wrote >Hi, All. I think what Sharon was trying to say, in so many words, is what the >costume folks for "Braveheart" should have gotten, which is that the Scots were >wearing pretty much what everyone else in Europe was wearing in the 13th Cent.. >The Highlanders were probably a few years behind, not because of any culturally >bigoted reasons, just because they were at the end of the earth, fashion-wise, >although you can argue that the Greenlanders of the 14th cent. managed to >mantain their fashion sense even to the end (thanks, Marc, for your >contributions to this effort). Mike (and Marc?) This may have been just a throwaway remark, but can you explain? I'm looking for evidence to put to those who think they can wear Hjerolfsnes styles for 12th century, because, you know, Greenland was so far away, it was really behind the times (grrr). Is there evidence of similar styles in mainland Europe? Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:49:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28571 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:49:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2NAF07968; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2N7R22661; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GKY1R05828 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Qwky-000DT8-0X for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:34:01 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] sillly corset tale In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E56@tko-exch.phoenix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:31:07 +0000 Status: RO Cynthia Barnes wrote >> Also for those of us in the smaller sizes no-one >> realises that we can have curves too, > >Now that reminds me of a tale. A certain bride of my acquaintance decided >that she & all her bridesmaids would be wearing 1902 gowns. (Lovely dresses, >lovely wedding, too.) During the process we made corsets, petticoats, >skirts & chemises. Early on in the corset-making process, one valiant, >non-sewing bridesmaid asked the bride what "this piece" was for. Bride >carefully explained the concept of gussets and Edwardian corset shapes. >Bride then said "We all need them, except for Cin who can leave the gussets >out". Bride now claims that I, in a fit of pique replied "I have tits, too >ya know!" >--cin >Cynthia in Tokyo I know how you feel. I was getting measured for a bra once, and the assistant said I was an A cup. I said "Oh good, I've always been a AA til now". She looked back at her tape measure and said sneerily "Well, just." Gee, thanks for making me feel good! -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:49:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28575 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:49:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2NFF07997; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2NBR22697; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01e.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.235]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0GL1iR22260 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:01:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 16311 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2002 21:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO computer) ([64.208.177.147]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 16 Jan 2002 21:01:38 -0000 Message-ID: <004c01c19ed0$7e53eca0$93b1d040@computer> From: "Lyn Greaves- Thorny Rose" To: References: <02fa01c19e93$2f0c4940$df104ed5@melaniew> Subject: Re: [h-cost] seriously OT British MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:58:03 -0500 Status: RO The "hatred" British food may also be affected by our "American-ness". I still remember when I went to London on a school trip-- they tried to feed us "American" food. I would have much preferred "local" food, but we weren't considered cultured enough for it. What we GOT was hockey puck burgers with NOTHING on them, soggy fries, and, I believe, dill pickles. It WAS horrible-- but then, I'm sure the hotel staff was appalled that they had to cook such "things". If that was my sole exposure to British food, I would never have eaten anything resembling it again. . . However, their NAMES are another thing entirely. . . A friend (in the SCA) is now living part of the time in Britain and was rather stunned when he and his wife were asked at a pub- "Will you be having fagots?" (He replied- no, I think we'll be eating alone. . . *shaking head woefully*, you have to know the man. . .) Turns out it was the meal at the pub that night. One of the other nights, they declined the "pudding" after one of the locals told them it was wonderful, made with fresh pig's blood! (it turned out to be blood sausage). Bubble and squeak and Toad in the hole are some of the other odd one's I've heard. . . . Lyn Greaves ** A cubicle is just a padded cell without a door. ----- Original Message ----- From: Melanie Wilson To: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] seriously OT British > > Bjarne wrote: > > >I hate brittish food, they cant cook! > > I object to this many Brits can cook, very well thank you ! You hatred of > our food is a personal response and cannot be disagreed with, but not the > ability of a whole nation to cook please ! > > Mel > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:49:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28580 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:49:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2NPF08051; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2NLR22773; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GLBBR27375 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:11:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from host213-122-15-203.btinternet.com ([213.122.15.203] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16QxKk-00018L-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:10:58 +0000 Message-ID: <006f01c19ed2$53045c40$cb0f7ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busk Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:10:09 -0000 Status: RO Hi there, I can perhaps save a bit of time here; the passage Robin refers to is usually erroneously attributed to Stephen Gosson, a failed playwright turned clergyman and hence a notorious writer on the evils of plays and players. No-one knows the true author of the passage; Heloise Seneschal, a fellow member of the Renaissance Drama Research Group at the Shakespeare Institute, is the world authority on Gosson... best wishes Stevie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "H-costume" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busk Question > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > > > Did they put a busk in 16th century corsets? > > This isn't my period, and I'm sure it depends on when in the 16th century > you're talking about, and where, but I do remember running across a > reference in an English satirical poem criticizing women's fashion from > the very end of the century. Speaking *strictly* from memory, it was > almost certainly "Pleasant Quippes for Upstart Newfangle Gentlewomen," and > the verse in question went something like "The bonnie busk, which holds > down flat, the bed wherein the babe doth breed" and went on from there. > > If there is demand, I will dig out the reference and date. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:49:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28588 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:49:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2NVF08074; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2NRR22820; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GLK3R02422 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:20:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19229 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p15.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.143]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA15676 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:19:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201162119.QAA15676@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Still baffled, was Re: Titanic dresses In-Reply-To: References: <03c601c19d7d$c5b79460$5030c818@WorkGroup> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:15:12 -0500 Status: RO At 08:45 PM 01/14/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Same here. For instance: A size 0 jeans at Abercrombie & Fitch fits me like >a size 2 Gap jeans. Except, the size 2 Gap has a reasonable inseam of about >27 inches, where the A&F size 0 has the 32" inseam. (snip) That's why I buy men's Levis... you can buy them in the waist and inseam measurement you want, and they fit every time. I got frustrated with women's jeans long ago. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:50:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28598 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:50:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2NkF08148; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2NgR22948; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm5.jersey.juno.com (wm5.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.225]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GMQhR09984 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:26:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCi0p4Or5APL03Oijo2TV1EOaAOad60zpyw=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm5.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GRBDLVAZ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:26:44 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:[h-cost] 1.) Bubble & Squeak 2.) Toddler Tunics X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020116.172644.10519.52633@wm5.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:26:41 GMT Status: RO In most historic periods when breeches were worn, boys weren't put into them until after they had been potty trained. Since your grandson isn't toilet trained yet, I'd suggest that you just skip the breeches/trews/pants altogether and just put him in a longish tunic (short enough to walk in but as long as possible other than that) and call it good. Karen (who thinks that period solutions were often the best) ---------- Joan Garner writes: I get to garb my grandson! Anthony, who is 22 months old and my pride and joy (he's brilliant, charming, funny & handsome, I tell you!!), gets to have a tunic made so he can come to a couple of events with me. I plan to make a basic T-tunic, but I'm not sure how long and how "full" to make it. I'm thinking of making it fairly straight and slit up the sides to wear over some plain "legging-style" pants. (He's still in diapers.) Any suggestions? Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:50:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28602 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:50:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2NoF08173; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2NkR22986; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f115.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.115]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GN1RR29695 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:01:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:00:03 -0800 Received: from 64.123.15.6 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:00:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.123.15.6] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Strippers (was:Re: [h-cost] jeanne@parrotfantasy.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2002 23:00:03.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[88071400:01C19EE1] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:00:02 Status: RO Yes, they can. I knew someone who put herself through college that way. However, her comment to me was: "It's experience I am NOT putting on my resume!" She made her own costumes. I still think of this as I'm making something: "as a stripper, how would I get out of this easily and quickly?" It can be quite funny! Mary/Katerine >Hey - strippers can make good money. Not much costume... ;) > > >But to think she's a stripper.... HOW DEPRESSING is that? > >Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( >/----\ /---\)) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:50:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28606 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:50:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2NYF08091; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2NUR22845; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GLgtR14543 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([68.55.178.225]) by femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020116214253.YIDE23794.femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:42:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3C45F3DE.9F4C80CF@home.com> From: Liz / Cozit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200201161344.g0GDi2p02685@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: 2.) Toddler Tunics Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@home.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:42:54 -0500 Status: RO > > From: Joan Garner > > > I get to garb my grandson! Anthony, who is 22 months > old and my pride and joy (he's brilliant, charming, > funny & handsome, I tell you!!), gets to have a tunic > made so he can come to a couple of events with me. I > plan to make a basic T-tunic, but I'm not sure how > long and how "full" to make it. I'm thinking of > making it fairly straight and slit up the sides to > wear over some plain "legging-style" pants. (He's > still in diapers.) Any suggestions? Well, first and most important question is "is he still crawling?" Yes, I know that just about any almost two year old walks mostly, but some spend enough time on their hands and knees (mostly for fun, but...) that that's something to take into consideration... and make it short enough to work for that. If he's not one who likes to do that... What I did was take a size 4 pattern, put tucks on the shoulder (I don't remember if I had 2 or 3 tucks to begin with), make the sleeves rectangular so that hemming and letting down wouldn't be a problem, and then made the bottom as long as I dared (about 5 inches off the ground) and the hem as deep as seemed reasonable. And yes, it fit him for just over 2 years. If it's a bit long right now, most kids won't care...as long as it's short enough not to be stepped on by mistake (the 5 inches should take care of that, unless you'll be places with steps... in which case use a light enough fabric that the t-tunic can be tucked into the top of the pants (bloused out a lot :-) for the time being). If it ends up a bit short in a year or two, doesn't matter... if it's worn with pants. The size 4 type pattern will give room to move for a younger child (with the tucks to keep it manageable for the arms), and being shorter won't bug the larger child. Oh, and one of the "Greatest Story/Nativity" patterns one of the generic pattern companies puts out uses a pattern that differs from my "real" pattern only in that they pretty much put the gusset in the armpit of the pattern for ease. Not all of them work that way... if you want the number and company, e-mail me and I'll leaf through the mess in the dining room (DH keeps saying he wants the dining room back... not that we'd ever eat in there... so I have no real incentive to clean up the sewing stuff completely....). I'm thinking that the tunic is a bit under 2 feet wide, flat at the bottom... but wouldn't swear by it... probably closer to 1.5 feet. Unfortunately, it got put away with some other stuff for a while, and I haven't gotten to that size to go through to send my nephew stuff yet. -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:50:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28610 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:50:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2O2F08213; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2NxR23120; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:23:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from web9804.mail.yahoo.com (web9804.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.214]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0GNRqR13007 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:27:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020116232743.53303.qmail@web9804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.87.134.157] by web9804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:27:43 PST From: Kate To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <02fa01c19e93$2f0c4940$df104ed5@melaniew> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: British food Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:27:43 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > Bjarne wrote: >I hate brittish food, they cant cook! I dunno about that, Bjarne. The food that I had while visiting London a couple of years ago was very tasty. I had heard all of the stories about "nasty, bland, British food," but much to my surprise and delight, didn't find it to be any of those things. It *was* different--the ground meats (sausage and the one hamburger I had) had very different textures than I'm used to here in the US. The British sausage and burger were very finely ground--the sausages and burgers at home are very coarse in comparison. Other than that, I found the cuisine that I tried to be wonderfully prepared, beautifully presented and very yummy! :-) Of course, I love to try new foods, so that may have some bearing on my experience. I guess it's all a matter of what your expectations are. If you have none, then you are almost always surprised (usually pleasantly)! :-) kate __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 20:58:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28644 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:58:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2VqF08781; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:31:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2VnR25468; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:31:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0GNpGR25395 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:51:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16008 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p7.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.135]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA02411 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:51:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201162351.SAA02411@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Size 0 In-Reply-To: <3C43BD15.410CC4E@in-tch.com> References: <3C432432.14816.5419A54@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:46:32 -0500 Status: RO At 10:24 PM 01/14/2002 -0700, Sue wrote: >Funny....I have the exact opposite problem of the orginal poster's >sister....I am (at the moment) a rather plus, plus size and average >height (5'5"), but I have really short arms and legs (height is all in >my torso). (snip) Aint' figures funny? You'd never know it from your costume pictures. They all look _lovely_! -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 21:01:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28661 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:01:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2YFF09112; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:34:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2YBR26264; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:34:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H0ACR04455 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:10:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18999 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p7.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.135]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA04154 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:10:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201170010.TAA04154@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Bodices/Corsets In-Reply-To: <20020114185127.25115.qmail@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:05:32 -0500 Status: RO At 02:51 AM 01/15/2002 +0800, you wrote: >Hi Mara, > >Do you happen to remember where you found those references? I'm trying to see if I can trace it back even further than the 18th c. Ideally, it would be nice to see if they're documentable prior to the 16th century, but I'm not holding my breath on that one. Since most of the corset history books focus primarily on whale bone or reed stiffening, this is sort of difficult to document. Thanks for the info! > >Sarah Sarah, I thought I'd seen a reference in an article in the Costume Society (of England), "Some Aspects of the use of non-fashionable stays", by P. and R.A. Mactaggart, pub. 1974. I finally found my copy of the article though, and can't find the reference. What I have seen references to are 18th c. corded garments called 'jumps' or sometimes 'waistcoats' (in England and the American colonies) which are worn by women who are ill or pregnant, or for extra warmth in bed or over one's stays/under a jacket or gown. Some (very lower class) women wore them in place of stays; the references to those women imply that they didn't give much support (they're called slatterns, which implies either slut and/or slob). A similar garment was worn in France, called a _corset blanc_. As you can see from the following web site, this is a quilted waistcoat-type garment that usually appears in lots of what someone called "18th c. pin-up" pictures, not as a primary outer garment, with the exception of the woman in the first picture; in that location, the corset blanc apparently became part of their regional costume, with a very cut-away jacket worn over it. As far as other uses, I can't read French well enough to tell if this garment was used in place of stays in French Canada; looks like it, though. Translation, anyone? http://100associes.free.fr/CadreExpo.html Here's an article on the subject of waistcoats/jumps: http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com/waistct.htm A later documentable example of corded stays would be the corsets that were worn in the Empire/Regency period -- those were not infrequently corded, with a busk in front for additional stiffness/support. Regards, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 21:01:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28665 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:01:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2YIF09125; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:34:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2YFR26286; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:34:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H0fqR17281 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:41:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from att.net ([12.77.142.102]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020117004149.XMYM13117.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:41:49 +0000 Message-ID: <3C461ECE.9BC53FA5@att.net> From: Crissy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] jeanne@parrotfantasy.com References: <"Your message with ID" <01ea01c19d60$adc9f680$536428cf@jeanne> <4.1.20020116000427.00c4ad20@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:46:06 -0500 Status: RO Not much costume, but you sure can charge them a lot for that 1/4 yard of spandex..... And it's kinda fun to see how you can use the most sequins and fringe. ;-) Crissy ( who admits to having a varied and sundry costume making past.....) Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > Hey - strippers can make good money. Not much costume... ;) > > >But to think she's a stripper.... HOW DEPRESSING is that? > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 21:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28706 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:09:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2hQF10090; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:43:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2hMR29207; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:43:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2QiR23929 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:26:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:26:41 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E67@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busk Question MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:26:38 -0800 Status: RO busk len of 24" ?! From top of corset to more than 1/2 way down my thigh. Really? --cin > The Dorothea Sabina von Neuberg moire pair of bodies (corset) > has a 24"x2" casing for a busk and is dated 1598. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 21:14:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28727 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:14:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2m4F10595; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:48:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2m1R00811; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2cJR27597 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:38:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.14b.758c9d4 (2614) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:38:15 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <14b.758c9d4.29779316@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sillly corset tale To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:38:14 EST Status: RO In a message dated 16/1/02 8:24:15 PM, anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk writes: << I know how you feel. I was getting measured for a bra once, and the assistant said I was an A cup. I said "Oh good, I've always been a AA til now". She looked back at her tape measure and said sneerily "Well, just." Gee, thanks for making me feel good! -- Jean Waddie >> This tale may make you feel even better >bg<- (please keep in mind-I was 5'9" at the time and Barb was 4'10") One Valentines Day some friends of mine and I were going to go to Sea World. We spent the night at Barb's, all 9 of us. her puppy decided she liked the shirt I'd packed to wear that day and thanks to the guys deciding that I'd look GREAT in spaghetti, the shirt I'd worn the night before wasn't exactly wearable. I borrowed a t-shirt of Barb's. Not a major prob since she was a bit over weight and I 'd recently hit 115 due to illness. The shirt was too thin so I had to borrow a bra, not an issue under most circumstances since a tank top/camisole usually did the trick. I borrowed it from Barb, it was a 32 AAA, I had to stuff it with tissues because it bagged on me. I'd have killed for an A cup. All day they kept fake sneezing and asking me for a tissue. I finally got my fill of it and wrapped it around the ball I was supposed to toss to Shamoo. Grrr Best, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 21:18:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28748 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:18:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2qOF10943; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:52:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2qKR02238; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:52:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2gER28905 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:42:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p232.directcon.net [209.233.107.232]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA29603 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:41:07 -0800 Message-Id: <200201170241.SAA29603@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] jeanne@parrotfantasy.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:41:07 -0800 Status: RO >I worked several years in a costume rental place for Halloween. This >place also, the rest of the year, did uniforms for theme restaurants and >the like, and a lot of custom work. One of their clients was a >"gentleman's club" where they costumed the waitresses. High class strip >joint. > I had a similar experience working in a costume store. One of our most memorable projects was the obviously highly succesful...err..."manager" who came in with his stable of gourgeous women (I was going to say "ladies", but believe me, it would not be appropriate), and had us costume them as a sheik and his harem. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 21:25:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28787 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:25:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H2x5F11571; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:59:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2x1R04362; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H2o3R01485 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:50:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.17f.22f23c5 (2614) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:49:53 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <17f.22f23c5.297795d1@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busk Question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:49:53 EST Status: RO In a message dated 16/1/02 8:44:13 PM, Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com writes: << busk len of 24" ?! From top of corset to more than 1/2 way down my thigh. Really? --cin >> Sorry I misread it, it's 2 to the inch so it's 12 inches by 2 inches. I'm going to put an invisible smiley somewhere in your post. Really hope there was one there to start with. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 21:41:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28829 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:41:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H3FKF13341; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:15:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H3FFR09235; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0H37oR06831 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:07:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 25395 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2002 03:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.235.216) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2002 03:07:52 -0000 Message-ID: <3C46404F.8CA85CA@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busk Question References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E67@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:09:03 -0600 Status: RO Cynthia Barnes wrote: > > busk len of 24" ?! From top of corset to more than 1/2 way down my thigh. > Really? > --cin > > > The Dorothea Sabina von Neuberg moire pair of bodies (corset) > > has a 24"x2" casing for a busk and is dated 1598. > 12", not 24"--the scale for the corset is different from the rest of the patterns. Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 21:48:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28849 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:48:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H3M5F14093; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:22:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H3M1R11287; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0H3HSR09894 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:17:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 27939 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2002 03:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.235.216) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2002 03:17:30 -0000 Message-ID: <3C464291.8F00D8E7@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question References: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> <3C3EF4BC.2690EBC@faucet.net> <3C41D58B.7090902@bigpond.com> <3C40DE79.F99FD96F@faucet.net> <3C43BAC6.6080703@bigpond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:18:41 -0600 Status: RO Claire Clarke wrote: > > > In addition, there's the possible-v-back issue (see Holbein's > > sketch of the Unknown Lady from 1535, front and back), which would make > > an acute angle necessary and help tremendously in keeping the straps up, > > especially considering the weight of Tudor sleeves. > > Mine does have a v-back, which probably adds to the problem.... But that should _help_ the problem, because the straps go from the sides of your chest in the front to a v in the back, so there's automatically an acute angle with the neckline and there's no way they can fall off your shoulders. It's just a matter of proper fitting to get them to lay right. > > If you're anywhere near the Milwaukee area, I would be happy to assist > > in any way I can with the fitting. I have Garb Workdays twice a month > > in the costume shop where I work. > > Thank you kindly, but nowhere near Milwaukee. Not remotely. > > Claire (in Australia) Ooh, that is a little far! Well, hopefully there's someone closer to you who can help. One thing I've learned is that you just can't fit things on yourself. Not sixteenth century things, anyway. Good luck! Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 21:52:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28865 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:52:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H3QOF14443; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:26:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H3QKR12543; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:26:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe56.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H3LbR11188 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:21:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:21:34 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.215.175.196] From: "Gia Gavino" To: "Costume List" Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01C19EC2.FDEA9DA0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2002 03:21:34.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[110CB470:01C19F06] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:21:26 -0800 Status: RO ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C19EC2.FDEA9DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know what you mean. I love to sew, and making costumes is a passion wi= th me. I used to sew for anyone who even just *hinted* that I should mak= e them something. Some understood the effort and time and expense. Most= didn't. But now, I seldom sew for others, outside of my family (SCA) and even hav= e turned down sewing for pay, even though they don't quibble or argue abo= ut the fact I charge more than $25.00 per hour for sewing. Most even pay= me what I tell them and let me know they think they are getting a bargai= n. In fact, don't even remember the last time someone tried to make me re= duce my fees. I guess the problem is with me, in my case is that I'm so overwhelmed wit= h my life right now and trying to focus on other things than sewing for o= thers just isn't possible. I guess when my life is not so chaotic, I'll feel more like sewing for ot= hers again. Maybe. Hugs, dear. Sounds like you might need it right about now. Gia/Giacinta ----- Original Message ----- From: Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 6:36 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] giving up making costumes Dear List. I have ben thinking a lot lately. Making costumes have ben a very passionate thing for me, but i think that i want to give it up. I have supplied friends, socalled friends with costumes and i have worked many many hours. It has ben fun, but now i dont know any more. When i count all the work and se what i have ben paid for doing it, it is a laughing stock buisines. Perhaps it is my own faults because i have not ben able to sell myself properly, and those people i have made costumes for didnt say: Hey that is way two cheap! You must have more! It has ben ages and ages since i made clothes for myself, the house sometimes have ben a mess all because i have not had the time! Really i quit! But i want to stay with you. It is rather fun to discuss costumes with you, i enjoy it very much. But it mostly wil be as a lurker. Bjarne -- Leif Drews =C5boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 K=F8benhavn V Bjarne Drews =C5boulevard 5,3.th 1635 K=F8benhavn V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C19EC2.FDEA9DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know what yo= u mean.  I love to sew, and making costumes is a passion with me.&nb= sp; I used to sew for anyone who even just *hinted* that I should make th= em something.  Some understood the effort and time and expense. = ; Most didn't. 
 
But now, I seldom sew = for others, outside of my family (SCA) and even have turned down sewing&n= bsp;for pay, even though they don't quibble or argue about the fact I cha= rge more than $25.00 per hour for sewing.  Most even pay me what I t= ell them and let me know they think they are getting a bargain. In f= act, don't even remember the last time someone tried to make me reduce my= fees. 
 
I guess the problem is with me,= in my case is that I'm so overwhelmed with my life right now and tr= ying to focus on other things than sewing for others just isn't possible.=  
 
I guess when my life is not so chaot= ic, I'll feel more like sewing for others again.  Maybe.
=  
Hugs, dear.  Sounds like you might need it right a= bout now.
 
Gia/Giacinta 
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----- Original Message -----
From: Leif D= rews
Sent: Wednesday, Januar= y 16, 2002 6:36 PM
To: h-cos= tume@indra.com
Subject: [h-c= ost] giving up making costumes
 
Dear List.
I hav= e ben thinking a lot lately. Making costumes have ben a very
passionat= e thing for me, but i think that i want to give it up.
I have supplied= friends, socalled friends with costumes and i have
worked many many h= ours.  It has ben fun, but now i dont know any more.
When i count= all the work and se what i have ben paid for doing it, it
is a laughi= ng stock buisines. Perhaps it is my own faults because i have
not ben = able to sell myself properly, and those people i have made
costumes fo= r didnt say: Hey that is way two cheap! You must have more!
It has ben= ages and ages since i made clothes for myself, the house
sometimes ha= ve ben a mess all because i have not had the time! Really i
quit!
B= ut i want to stay with you. It is rather fun to discuss costumes with
= you, i enjoy it very much.
But it mostly wil be as a lurker.

Bj= arne


--


Leif Drews
=C5boulevard 5, 3 th
1635&= nbsp; K=F8benhavn V

Bjarne Drews
=C5boulevard 5,3.th
1635 K=F8= benhavn V

tlf. 35 37 13 70

My new domain name: http://www.m= y-drewscostumes.dk

Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph
Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html

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------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C19EC2.FDEA9DA0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 22:10:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28909 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:10:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H3i5F15807; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H3i1R17820; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H3dVR16436 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:39:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2249.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.249]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24350 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:39:35 -0500 Message-ID: <3C4646D0.B8B38C2E@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Body Double References: <200201122004.VAA27266@octopussy.math.TU-Berlin.DE> <3C43A7AE.19EC9F4F@dandy.net> <010201c19d92$31932f00$2cb40618@vbch1.va.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:36:49 -0500 Status: RO Hi. Thanks, all of you that sent me back replies. I have what I need to get going now. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 22:22:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28928 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:22:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H3u5F16827; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:56:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H3u1R21472; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20801.mail.yahoo.com (web20801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.190]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0H3j4R18136 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:45:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020117034506.23954.qmail@web20801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.34.73.189] by web20801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:45:06 PST From: Margaret Farrow To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200201170222.g0H2MER22251@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #627 - 4 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:45:06 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > > > Did they put a busk in 16th century corsets? Try this page for you answer: http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/corsetpage/history.html There are not many remaining corsets from the 16th century, two, if I remember corectlly, the one on this page and the one from Elizabeth's effigy. The first, a German corset, had a busk, and the second did not, but laced up the front. I have made three corsets, one without and two with, and have found them to be quite comfortable, but I have little or no bust. Please feel free to email me if you any further questions. Margaret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 22:26:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28967 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:26:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H409F17231; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:00:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H404R22762; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:00:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H3lqR18957 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:47:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:46:59 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E68@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] giving up making costumes MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:47:47 -0800 Status: RO Sounds like you're giving up the business side and keeping costumes as a hobby. Please, stay and chat with us. I love your encouragement. And by the way, you were absolutely right about the bodice on my merveilleuse. Too full. Too many gathers. I was trying to "improve on nature". Hopeless, really. Just pinned in, a flat bodice really does look better. --cin in Tokyo > It has ben ages and ages since i made clothes for myself, the house > sometimes have ben a mess all because i have not had the > time! Really i quit! But i want to stay with you. It is rather > fun to discuss costumes with > you, i enjoy it very much. But it mostly wil be as a lurker. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 22:28:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28985 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:28:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H42NF17445; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:02:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H42JR23723; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:02:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H3tlR21413 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:55:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:54:54 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E69@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busk Question MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:55:41 -0800 Status: RO Of course, it was meant as gasping in wonderment. It was not intended to be nasty... not fond of the smiley habit, tho'. --cin > Sorry I misread it, it's 2 to the inch so it's 12 inches by 2 > inches. I'm > going to put an invisible smiley somewhere in your post. > Really hope there was one there to start with. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 22:46:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29187 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:46:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H4K6F19070; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:20:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4K1R29170; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4DsR27458 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:13:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net14sp241.directcon.net [209.76.47.241]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA00613 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:12:47 -0800 Message-Id: <200201170412.UAA00613@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #627 - 4 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:12:47 -0800 Status: RO I have made three corsets, >one without and two with, and have found them to be >quite comfortable, but I have little or no bust. I have a bust, but I also have a pronounced abdomen, and my attempts to wear a corset with a busk resulted in extreme pain and a huge bruise on my stomach. I've concluded that it's not worth the slight improvement of the line that a busk gives a large figure. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 22:46:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29191 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:46:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H4KLF19088; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:20:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4KHR29288; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:20:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4EfR27685 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:14:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27137 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:30:09 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] ends of the earth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:30:09 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Jean Waddie wrote: > leigh tartaglio wrote > >although you can argue that the Greenlanders of the 14th cent. > >managed to mantain their fashion sense even to the end (thanks, Marc, > >for your contributions to this effort). > > This may have been just a throwaway remark, but can you explain? I'm > looking for evidence to put to those who think they can wear > Hjerolfsnes styles for 12th century, because, you know, Greenland was > so far away, it was really behind the times (grrr). Is there evidence > of similar styles in mainland Europe? At last year's Medieval Congress, Marc and I constituted two-thirds of a session on the application of the Greenland finds to costume research. The take-home message from my part -- and I think from Marc's as well, but I'll let him verify that -- was that it's not wise to use anything from Greenland as your *chief* evidence for any particular practice on the mainland. Certainly some of the things done in Greenland were done on the mainland, though not universally. Any chance of correspondence most likely increases if you are talking about (1) Scandinavia, (2) lower to middle class, and/or (3) a slightly earlier period than the finds themselves (which are mostly late 14th-c.). In other words, there is a significant possibility that some of the techniques and approaches revealed in the Greenland clothing correlate to some mainland clothing, but probably not to, say, the clothing of the late 14th-c. French court. What's more important, though, is that there are almost certainly some elements and techniques in the Greenland clothing that are *not* representative of the mainland. The Greenland colonies were very different from any mainland culture in many aspects that have significant effects on costume, including economics, available resources, technological level, trade connections, and degree of influence from other cultures. So there are probably quite a few elements of the clothing that reflect the unique circumstances of this community. (Marc can tell you about the likely effects on shoemaking when you have little wood and metal to spare.) So some elements probably correspond to the mainland, and others don't. But which ones? The only way to tell what elements *do* correlate is to find corroborative evidence from the mainland, in which case the Greenland finds can only serve as, in essence, backup documentation for the things we already have better evidence for. Without that corroboration, we can't extrapolate freely from Greenland to the mainland with any assurance of accuracy. For example: We know the Greenlanders used gores, and we know the mainlanders used gores. We also know that the Greenlanders sometimes used a large number of gores (based on their appearance in 3 out of 30-something body garments from the Greenland cache). But we have no equivalent evidence of this sort of gore use from the mainland, and what evidence we do have argues against it. Therefore we can't use the Greenland garments, by themselves, to justify a conclusion that mainlanders used a multiplicity of gores. (My personal feeling was that the oft-cited 12-gore* garments were not the height of fashion even in Greenland, but simply reflected thrifty use of the occasional narrow piece of fabric in an economy that could not afford waste. But that's another lecture for another day, and some of you have heard it already.) To answer Jean: I would by no means consider the Greenland garments any sort of evidence for 12th century. There were significant fashion changes between 12th and 13th century on the mainland, and then between 13th and 14th century. Even on very basic criteria, the Greenland styles bear little resemblance to 12th century, some resemblance to 13th century, and stronger resemblance to early 14th century mainland styles. --Robin *Yes, 12 gores, not 10. SCA'ers: The TI article miscounted. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 22:52:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29263 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:52:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H4QVF19684; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:26:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4QQR01301; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:26:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4FGR27834 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:15:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16R3xO-0000ok-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:15:18 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Where the "Titanic" pictures are posted... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020116001610.00c43470@mail.frys.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:17:55 -0500 Status: RO I just went and looked at the pictures. Is there any chance of someone making a pattern for the coat? Or will we have to wait for the booklet and try to make it from that? Will there be diagrams? -Megan who really likes the coat but who looks terrible in pale pink so buying a copy in pink might not be such a hot idea -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 3:16 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where the "Titanic" pictures are posted... Thank you. Jennie Chancey writes, in a message sent 11:35 AM 1/15/02 -0500: >For those who missed it the first time around, the pictures of the original >"jump" dress and "sinking" coat are at >http://www.sensibility.com/titanic/realphotos.htm -- and I just added two >corrections given to me by the original owners. One is that the bottom layer >of beaded circles is sewn to the black tulle overlay and not through the >silk. The other is that the buttons on the pink coat do not have soutache on >the buttons but some kind of silk floss sewn over button forms. > >:-) > >Jennie Chancey > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns >http://www.sensibility.com >winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 23:05:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29993 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:05:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H4dSF20985; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:39:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4dOR05120; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:39:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4QhR01419 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:26:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:26:41 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E6A@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Corded Bodices/Corsets MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0H4QhR01419 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:26:39 -0800 Status: RO Lovely page, thankyouverymuch! I dont have time to translate the whole thing... Nothing about Canada. France only. Sorta strange since the living history group specializes in the French-Canadian & Louisana colonies. Anyway, only paintings of the corset blanc that they could find were French. Corset Blanc is derived not from the color but from "blanc de baleine". No whalebone. Which isnt exactly the case, they say. Existing corset blancs have whale bone at the CF & CB. Specifically goes into a quilted design called Piqûre de Marseille. The section "Réalisation" is the "how to" part. Click the word "patron" for the pattern. You can probably figure most of that out from the pictures. They do suggest "baleines métalliques" in place of real whalebone. Click pics & they get bigger/better detail. (sources are l'Encyclopédie de Diderot et d'Alembert. I dont know who d'Alembert is/was. Or maybe they both wrote the "l'Encyclopédie"?) Has links to Penny's & Marquise's websites... gosh, you're famous! --cin > Translation, anyone? > http://100associes.free.fr/CadreExpo.html > > Here's an article on the subject of waistcoats/jumps: > http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com/waistct.htm > > A later documentable example of corded stays would be the > corsets that were > worn in the Empire/Regency period -- those were not > infrequently corded, > with a busk in front for additional stiffness/support. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 23:07:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30498 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:07:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H4fiF21198; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:41:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4fdR05745; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:41:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4NfR00444 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:23:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2249.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.249]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11530 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:23:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3C46512B.B36796AC@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] ends of the earth References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:20:59 -0500 Status: RO Hi. Marc, I think this is more your purview, but I suspect the reasoning behind trying to wear 14th Cent. style clothes and pass them off as 12th Cent. is faulty. It has been shown that the Greenland clothing is pretty much in keeping with relatively current styles of the 14th cent., so trying to make them out as 12th Cent., without researching 12th Cent. clothing itself would not get you anywhere. There are many resources out there, so raiding another period because the documentation is there seems a strange way to do historical research. Henk, you should probably chime in here too, as you can help to direct folks to good research. Mike T. (BTW, I can see being perhaps 20 years out of date in some cases, but 200, I really doubt) Jean Waddie wrote: > leigh tartaglio wrote > >Hi, All. I think what Sharon was trying to say, in so many words, is what the > >costume folks for "Braveheart" should have gotten, which is that the Scots were > >wearing pretty much what everyone else in Europe was wearing in the 13th Cent.. > >The Highlanders were probably a few years behind, not because of any culturally > >bigoted reasons, just because they were at the end of the earth, fashion-wise, > >although you can argue that the Greenlanders of the 14th cent. managed to > >mantain their fashion sense even to the end (thanks, Marc, for your > >contributions to this effort). > > Mike (and Marc?) > > This may have been just a throwaway remark, but can you explain? I'm > looking for evidence to put to those who think they can wear Hjerolfsnes > styles for 12th century, because, you know, Greenland was so far away, > it was really behind the times (grrr). Is there evidence of similar > styles in mainland Europe? > > Jean > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 23:08:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30511 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:08:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H4foF21219; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:41:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4fjR05802; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:41:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4WTR03080 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:32:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2249.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.249]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24748 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:32:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3C46533B.D2D1EFDC@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes References: <3C45E14C.7010806@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:29:47 -0500 Status: RO Hi. Bjarne, I can sympathise with you. I have nowhere near your talent nor prodigious output of fantastic clothing, yet I can see where you would become frustrated. You are far too talented to have to accept pittance for your work. I can only hope that you continue to create beautiful things because of your love of the art. Many great artists were not appreciated in their time. Your input and your enthusiasm have been an inspiration, at least to me. (Sometimes even an embarrassment, as I complain about my poor little work, and look at those things that you have created in far less time). One must always follow their muse. Perhaps it is only the cold winter talking, and a ray of sun will bring you some happiness. Whatever brings you happiness, I wish you only the best, Cheers, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 23:13:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31488 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:13:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H4lBF21626; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:47:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4l7R07390; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:47:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4cuR04965 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:38:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2249.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.249]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14401 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:39:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3C4654BD.CDE1D181@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hemp (WAS: Web sites that sell fabricssuitablefor costuming) References: <2.2.32.20020116045840.0071fb44@mail.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:36:14 -0500 Status: RO Hi. Kirstie Buckland is quite a good source for knit goods, and she has done such extensive research that we are indebted to her for her work (she and the late Bishop Rutt, of course). Thank you for your kind words. I am trying slowly to build up kit for a variety of periods. Perhaps you have met Simon Spalding, also? He has a wonderful background in the 16th cent., although he is more interested in doing early 19th cent. nowadays. I will try and find my e-mail addy for Terry (I have it somewhere) and ask him about the Scots stuff. Cheers, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 23:14:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31634 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:14:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H4l5F21612; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:47:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4l1R07353; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4Y2R03533 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16R4FZ-0003QJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:34:05 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] giving up making costumes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3C45E14C.7010806@post12.tele.dk> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:36:41 -0500 Status: RO Bjarne, many of us on this list do not sew for others much, if at all. I only sew for myself and sometimes husband and stepchildren, and not even much for them. The problem is time- I don't have enough of it (even though I am trying to learn yet another time-intensive hobby like bobbin lace) and even though I have friends who say I should make sewing a job, I don't see how I could make enough money from it to replace my paying job. So it must remain a hobby, at least for now. I suspect it would not be nearly as much fun if I *had* to do it instead of choosing to. Take some time off and sew for yourself, but please stay on the list. You don't *have* to sew to be here- I mostly lurk and learn, myself, (but sometimes wear, shall we say, unusual shirts with my jeans). Sounds like you need a hug so here is one for you *Hugs* -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 3:24 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] giving up making costumes Dear List. I have ben thinking a lot lately. Making costumes have ben a very passionate thing for me, but i think that i want to give it up. I have supplied friends, socalled friends with costumes and i have worked many many hours. It has ben fun, but now i dont know any more. When i count all the work and se what i have ben paid for doing it, it is a laughing stock buisines. Perhaps it is my own faults because i have not ben able to sell myself properly, and those people i have made costumes for didnt say: Hey that is way two cheap! You must have more! It has ben ages and ages since i made clothes for myself, the house sometimes have ben a mess all because i have not had the time! Really i quit! But i want to stay with you. It is rather fun to discuss costumes with you, i enjoy it very much. But it mostly wil be as a lurker. Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 23:34:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02787 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:34:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H58bF23269; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:08:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H58VR13043; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:08:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H4uER09840 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:56:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m199.in-tch.com [216.166.191.199]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0H4iWX22456 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:44:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C4659A5.D9D3D4DD@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Size 0 References: <3C432432.14816.5419A54@localhost> <200201162351.SAA02411@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:57:09 -0700 Status: RO You must be thinking of another Sue on the list...AFAIK, and I'm pretty vigilant, there _are_ no costume pictures of me. I've never been photogenic, and now I'm really sensitive about how I look, which is pretty bad. I'm seneschal for our SCA Barony, and I won't even give permission for a photo of me on our website. Maybe if I look okay someday I wouldn't mind..... --Sue (who posted the quoted comment) Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > > At 10:24 PM 01/14/2002 -0700, Sue wrote: > >Funny....I have the exact opposite problem of the orginal poster's > >sister....I am (at the moment) a rather plus, plus size and average > >height (5'5"), but I have really short arms and legs (height is all in > >my torso). (snip) > > Aint' figures funny? You'd never know it from your costume pictures. They > all look _lovely_! > > -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 23:41:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03752 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:41:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H5F7F23684; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:15:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H5F1R14854; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H5AnR13678 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:10:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2249.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.249]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16839 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:10:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3C465C37.EF450E7E@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]Thrums, was Hemp References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E4A@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:08:07 -0500 Status: RO Ouch! Good one, Cyn! Ann, I don't know what came first, the thrums or the cap, but, yes, you would take the small bits of yarn and hook them through the knitted body of the cap (a knitted one, kind of like a Navy watchcap, sometimes calle a Monmouth cap in England due to where they were commonly made). when fulled, they would bush out and provide insulation to the head. You can see one on the head of the English sailor in Vecellios 1589 "de gli Habiti antichi..." (Dover 1977 pg 84, print #275). Mike T. Cynthia Barnes wrote: > They're very small. You put one on each thrum for warmth. > --cin > Cynthia not particularly helpful in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 16 23:41:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03756 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:41:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H5FEF23698; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:15:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H5FAR14893; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:15:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H5CxR14282 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:12:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2ivfo7h.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.224.241]) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16R4rF-0005Yh-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:13:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C450D7E.2080507@earthlink.net> References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E4A@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <3C450D7E.2080507@earthlink.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Thrums Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:04:17 -0800 Status: RO At 12:19 AM -0500 1/16/02, A F Murphy wrote: >That would be small! > >I should clarify. Thrums, as weavers use the word, at least, are the >pieces of warp thread left when you cut a finished piece of cloth >off the loom. You can have a lot of thread left over, but it is all >in these pieces, and how much fringe can you really use? But it >drives us crazy to throw it all out. I was wondering if this cap was >something devised to use these short threads. Yes, although it's kind of a lot of work. There are several methods, used in different times and places, but basically, groups of thrums are stitched or knotted into the cap as it's being made (usually knitted). These stick out and form a sort of "shag", adding extra insulation. There are also thrummed mittens. Sometimes these things are worn with the shag inside (in which case they have to be made extra large to provide room), sometimes outside. Actual thrums can be used for this if they're wool or silk or otherwise something that will be warm and fluffy. Unspun or lightly spun wool roving is also sometimes used. Of course, it's less labor-intensive if you weave or stitch in longer lengths of yarn, then go back and cut them into pile later, but that doesn't use your thrums up.... -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 00:03:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04551 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:03:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H5b9F25255; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:37:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H5b5R20460; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:37:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H5LrR16481 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:21:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m199.in-tch.com [216.166.191.199]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0H5ACX27508 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:10:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C465FA3.9EE4177@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Bodices/Corsets References: <200201141818.g0EIIDt25590@net.indra.com> <3C4325A8.61C57A75@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:22:43 -0700 Status: RO Uhm....just what does the term "corded" refer to in this case? I'm not catching the reference, although I'm assuming that maybe they're corded instead of boned? Am I completely out of line? --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 00:08:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04747 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:08:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H5g6F25722; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:42:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H5g1R21818; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H5UTR18878 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:30:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0H5UhkG005340 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:30:44 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] giving up making costumes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C45E14C.7010806@post12.tele.dk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:31:26 -0800 Status: RO Bjarne, It sounds like a serious case of "burn out". Happens to a lot of us who just throw ourselves into making costumes, and enjoy seeing them. I got this way after doing all the fitting and patterning for a Renaissance Dance troop. My mother had a stroke and I had to go home to take care of my father. Best thing I have ever done because it gave me time with people I loved, something I will never be able to do again, unlike the dresses and doublets. When I came back no one had done anything with their costumes even though I had left careful sewing instructions and all pieces sorted into individual bags. I've been sewing for myself alone for several years now, and I'm ready to go back and work with others again. This time though they will be students not parasites and we will have fun TOGether! Back off for a while, stay on this list because I just love the information and wonderful pictures you give us. Remember: "A clean house is a sign of a misspent life" LoL My favorite motto Wanda Pease -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:24 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] giving up making costumes Dear List. I have ben thinking a lot lately. Making costumes have ben a very passionate thing for me, but i think that i want to give it up. I have supplied friends, socalled friends with costumes and i have worked many many hours. It has ben fun, but now i dont know any more. When i count all the work and se what i have ben paid for doing it, it is a laughing stock buisines. Perhaps it is my own faults because i have not ben able to sell myself properly, and those people i have made costumes for didnt say: Hey that is way two cheap! You must have more! It has ben ages and ages since i made clothes for myself, the house sometimes have ben a mess all because i have not had the time! Really i quit! But i want to stay with you. It is rather fun to discuss costumes with you, i enjoy it very much. But it mostly wil be as a lurker. Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 01:17:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18133 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:17:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H6p7F00477; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:51:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H6p0R09347; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H6Q3R03501 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:26:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQ2KJH00.J1O for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:26:05 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] molded Humpen, back on topic Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3C45021F.3AC883C6@dandy.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:22:02 -0800 Status: RO For some wonderful, if slightly pricey, reproduction historical glassware, you might want to look at: http://www.northerner.com/historical_glass.html I ordered from them last year, and they're great! Mind you, postage and packing to the US is a little steep from Sweden, but the packing was perfect and a rather delicate glass arrived without a scratch. And a beautiful piece of work, as well. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of leigh tartaglio > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:31 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] molded Humpen, back on topic > > > Hi, Katya, the Romans were using a form of mold (though not with slipcasting) > to make their Samian Ware (modern archaeological terminology). Egyptians did > the same with Faience. The Germans were using molds in the 16th Cent for some > pieces, but in most cases (like the faces and other decorations on the > ceramics) were usind wooden or ceramic molds for pressed clay items, > then using > slip to attach the decorations to the wheel-thrown bodies. Not until > the advent > of plaster molds, used to wick away the water, was true slipcasting done. > Nonetheless, there is a pipeclay (white bodied) piece from the late 16th/early > 17th cent. in the Phila. Art Museum that has mold seams (probably from the > aforementioned wooden or ceramic molds). A similar jug/drinking vessel can be > seen in the Clara Peeters still-life of 1597 in Munich. The name Humpen also > refers to a fairly large volume (for the period) beaker with straight or > slightly tapered sides, usually a beer rather than a wine or spirits glass. > Mike T. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 01:17:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18201 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:17:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H6pTF00492; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:51:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H6pPR09446; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:51:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H6TxR04730 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:29:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQ2KQ100.T1S for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:30:01 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] sizing and fitting Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3C451428.8745A711@in-tch.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:25:59 -0800 Status: RO A lot of things are cut presupposing a certain bust measurement. If you don't fill it up (or overfill, I suppose) well, there it is. Since I have a very modest bust, this happens to me all the time. Even wearing a bra doesn't really help. It's al about standardizing for that mythical "average" no one we know seems to be, I guess. :-) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Sue Clemenger > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:48 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] sizing and fitting > > > Uhm....Could it just be the style of the garment? > --sue > > annora wrote: > My fitting bugaboo is armholes. On almost every sleeveless > > garment (and living in the tropics, there are many), the armhole gapes > > about six inches below my actual armpit. I don't think my arms are any > > skinnier than average. Do other people find this to be the case or is it > > my body type? I have a very flat ribcage. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 01:17:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18238 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:17:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H6pcF00510; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:51:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H6pYR09486; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:51:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H6XsR05536 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:33:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQ2KWK00.J1M for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:33:56 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] old pattern sizes (was: Still baffled) Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <004a01c19e70$bef2e640$67c1adcb@user> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:29:54 -0800 Status: RO Miles aren't really different in different countries. Not any more. It just feels that way, especially on a bicycle. They're longer everywhere else but home :) Maggiros > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of michaela > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 1:33 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] old pattern sizes (was: Still baffled) > > > > > Michaela asked "Does France have smaller inches than everyone > > > else?" - > > well, no, they use metric! I've no idea where they get the figure 38 > from. > > In the older patterns it seems to mean 1/2 the bust measurement, if > measured in cm. > > But this is a modern jacket. And it would make the jacket barely 76cm round > the top, which is about my waist measurement. Might be that they take an > inch to mean 2.4cm rather than 2.5.. I just used my calculator to work that > out;). I know that miles are different country to country. > We use metric here too, but dress sizes have always been based on inches, so > that women here by fabric by the metre but if you buy a pattern it's scaled > to the inch thing... and bras are say 36A etc, with the cm in brackets. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 01:33:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20978 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:33:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H76tF01282; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:06:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H76oR12881; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:06:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H6qDR09627 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:52:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-21-49.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.21.49]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACT42128; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:52:14 GMT Message-ID: <007901c19f24$10856060$31154ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3C45E21A.4030609@post12.tele.dk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] seriously OT British MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:56:14 -0000 Status: RO >Yes i se it was a bad thing to say! I am sorry if i offended you! I must admit, it was carelessly of me to say that british in genneral dont know how to cook! Please forgive me! Happy to :) Some pub grub can be bad, and we have an alarming tendancy to not complain (it isn't British) so you can get highly expensive food which has come straight out of a packet (ie pre packed) I could take you to a few places that produce great food. But compared to say France, the consistancy of good food at reasonable prices isn't around in Britain IMHO. However British home cooking was, a thing to be proud of, and our tradition is more towards home cooking than eating out. There is an old farm housewhich used to do traditional Sunday Lunches which was a real step back in time (yes even the costume). Indian resturants are today one of the most popular eat outs & home cooked meals ! I don't know where you visited ? But we are shown to be losing our home cooked style and moving towards fast food, with serious health consequences. Next time you are in the UK if you are anywhere near my area let me know & I'll see if we can find you some food you like ? Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 01:33:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21024 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:33:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H77BF01297; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:07:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H776R12978; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:07:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H6rpR09983 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:53:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-21-49.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.21.49]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACT42135; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:53:53 GMT Message-ID: <007c01c19f24$4badb980$31154ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <02fa01c19e93$2f0c4940$df104ed5@melaniew> <004c01c19ed0$7e53eca0$93b1d040@computer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] seriously OT British MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:57:56 -0000 Status: RO >Will you be having fagots?" Basically meat balls in gravy >One of the other nights, they declined the "pudding" after one of the locals told them it was wonderful, made with fresh pig's blood! (it turned out to be blood sausage). Known as Black pudding Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 01:49:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21194 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:49:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H7N8F02472; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:23:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H7N3R16849; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f225.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.225]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H79AR13403 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:09:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:09:09 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.30 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:09:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.30] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2002 07:09:09.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBC212E0:01C19F25] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:09:08 -0800 Status: RO Bjarne, The costuming world would be a much sadder place without your incredible work. I started trying to sell my work because I was doing it anyhow and this way I support my fabric habit, but you are truly an artist!! I'm so glad you will stay with us and discuss our projects and hopefully still make some now and then Just For Fun. You are an inspiration and I thank you for all you've shared. Jennifer >From: Leif Drews >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] giving up making costumes >Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:23:40 +0100 > >Dear List. >I have ben thinking a lot lately. Making costumes have ben a very >passionate thing for me, but i think that i want to give it up. >I have supplied friends, socalled friends with costumes and i have >worked many many hours. It has ben fun, but now i dont know any more. >When i count all the work and se what i have ben paid for doing it, it >is a laughing stock buisines. Perhaps it is my own faults because i have >not ben able to sell myself properly, and those people i have made >costumes for didnt say: Hey that is way two cheap! You must have more! >It has ben ages and ages since i made clothes for myself, the house >sometimes have ben a mess all because i have not had the time! Really i >quit! >But i want to stay with you. It is rather fun to discuss costumes with >you, i enjoy it very much. >But it mostly wil be as a lurker. > >Bjarne > > >-- > > >Leif Drews >Åboulevard 5, 3 th >1635 København V > >Bjarne Drews >Åboulevard 5,3.th >1635 København V > >tlf. 35 37 13 70 > >My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > >Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 03:32:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21511 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:32:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H967F07612; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:06:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H961R08756; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20702.mail.yahoo.com (web20702.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.175]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0H8x8R07383 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:59:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020117085912.94511.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web20702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:59:12 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] seriously OT British To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020116104226.01a5aee0@mail.bmee.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:59:12 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- Gorgeous Muiredach wrote: > > I think Bjarne's response is classic of what many > visitors to the UK > have. I am *convinced* you can have good food in > the UK, although I > haven't found the spots. I suspect the good food is > often found in the > families and private homes, and that the restaurants > where you can find > great *british* fare aren't all that current. I think one of the main problems is that "British" food isn't fashionable enough and so very few restaurants do it at all. Gary Rhodes does do British food in his restaurants, but be prepared to take out a second mortgage before you book, this food comes at a price. Admitidly it is absolutely beautiful, but when the starters are frequently over £20 you get an idea of how much you can expect to pay per person (£75+). Its a shame really that British food has got such a bad reputation. Part of the problem is a traditional unwillingness to put ourselves forward. Hence bad service and poor quality food. Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 04:02:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21647 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 04:02:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H9ZpF08490; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:35:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H9ZkR14852; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:35:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H9C5R10028 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:12:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA03691.; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:19:33 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:12:02 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2.) Toddler Tunics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0H9C5R10028 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:11:27 +0000 Status: RO >At that age, I made my son A-line tunics that reached almost to the >floor, with really full sleeves. In the begining, he wore them with no >pants (in the summer) and as he grew, he could add the pants. With no >pants, made diaper changes very easy. >Giovanna Isn't that exactly what people used to do in reality? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 04:02:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21652 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 04:02:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H9aAF08510; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:36:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H9a3R14938; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:36:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from hekili.k12.hi.us (hekili.k12.hi.us [165.248.1.200]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H9IrR11445 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:18:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from makani by hekili.k12.hi.us (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0GQ200878SJDX4@hekili.k12.hi.us> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:18:50 -1000 (HST) From: annora Subject: Re: [h-cost] sizing and fitting In-reply-to: <3C453234.20068.D48A372@localhost> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:23:19 -1000 (HST) Status: RO > Believe it or not, that sounds like a bustline problem. Back before > the fertility drugs gave me a bust, I had the same problem with > armholes. Yep, I think this may be my problem. Instead of having some of the garment get pulled forward, it just sags down. My shoulders aren't very thick either, which probably contributes. annora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 04:05:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21668 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 04:05:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H9d9F08633; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:39:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H9d4R15671; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:39:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H9RPR13156 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:27:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-037.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.37]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5087CED for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:27:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3C469B74.BAF03412@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busk Question References: <91.16a3924a.2976fdcf@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:37:57 +0100 Status: RO Sounds cool! But wouldn't it be to thick? If you wear a silk bodice over it would the outer lines show trough? For me the total length would be 13"and the handel aboud 5". I think a leather sheate would be best. If you want to draw you dagger out when you wear the corset. If the sheat is made out of wood it may break. But I am not sure if I am the type to wear such a dagger. I am too nice ;-) Greetings, Deredere > On a similar note-My husband mundanely works for a swordsmith, my hubbys boss > is (finally) seriously thinking of adding a busk dagger to his ilne of > weapons. This after my nagging him for 3 years. The questions I have > are-would you as re-enactors/recreationists be interested in owning a busk > dagger, what price range would the corsetiers on list be willing to pay, what > would you look for in one (size range, materials for the sheathe, length of > actual dagger, would a dagger be best or would a stilletto be preferrred > etc). Please let me know either on or off list. > In Service, > Lady G > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 04:18:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21721 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 04:18:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H9q9F09302; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:52:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H9q4R18491; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:52:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0H9YqR14651 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:34:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p628-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.194.120]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id WAA06806 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:34:51 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.ihug.co.nz: Host p628-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.194.120] claimed to be user Message-ID: <00ce01c19f39$43e7c6e0$78c2adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] old pattern sizes (was: Still baffled) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:28:02 +1300 Status: RO > The French have used the metric system for 200 years, so it's unlikely their dress sizing has *anything* to do with inches. So? Dress sizes have *not* been around since then. The measurement was certainly *not* in cm which was my point. Sizes were standardised some time ago, and countries that used metric and those that used emperial wound up with the same standard unit in sizes. They were written in both cm and inches. I think Golden Hands has a nice chart showing sizes between US, UK, AUS, NZ and EUR. This still doesn't explain why the tag said 38FRA and 36EUR. Especially if you are trying to say one is in cm and the other in inches??? > Miles aren't really different in different countries. Not any more. It just > feels that way, especially on a bicycle. They're longer everywhere else but > home :) This was on a recent programme, I forget which but they were still different then. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 05:09:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21878 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:09:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0HAh7F11271; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:43:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HAh1R11948; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (dsl092-160-084.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.160.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HAZAR10493 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:35:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from gideonfamily.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29485811F for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:35:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C46A8DD.F45B17A2@gideonfamily.org> From: Andrea Gideon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2.) Toddler Tunics References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 05:35:09 -0500 Status: RO Kate M Bunting wrote: > >At that age, I made my son A-line tunics that reached almost to the > >floor, with really full sleeves. In the begining, he wore them with no > >pants (in the summer) and as he grew, he could add the pants. With no > >pants, made diaper changes very easy. > >Giovanna > > Isn't that exactly what people used to do in reality? > Yes they did, but several SCA friends I know with little boys refuse to dress them in "dresses" and make them wear little tunics and pants. My son, now almost 3, will be getting pants for his third birthday, as he is now working on potty training. Giovanna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 07:51:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23162 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:51:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0HDPGF19141; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:25:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HDP2R15356; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HD91R11540 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:09:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA18203.; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:16:36 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:09:05 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] old pattern sizes (was: Still baffled) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0HD91R11540 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:08:28 +0000 Status: RO All I was trying to say was that standard dress sizes came into use long after metrication in France, and probably in most of Europe, so I doubted whether their sizes were formulated with any reference to Imperial measures. Michaela wrote: >> The French have used the metric system for 200 years, so it's unlikely >>their dress sizing has *anything* to do with inches. >So? Dress sizes have *not* been around since then. The measurement >was certainly *not* in cm which was my point. >Sizes were standardised some time ago, and countries that used metric >and those that used emperial wound up with the same standard unit in >sizes. They were written in both cm and inches. I think Golden Hands has >a nice chart showing sizes between US, UK, AUS, NZ and EUR. This still >doesn't explain why the tag said 38FRA and 36EUR. Especially if you are >trying to say one is in cm and the other in inches??? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 08:04:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23339 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:04:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0HDcCF20025; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:38:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HDc6R18523; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:38:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HDIYR13821 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:18:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA18746.; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:26:09 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:18:38 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Corded Bodices/Corsets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0HDIYR13821 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:18:04 +0000 Status: RO Cynthia wrote: >(sources are l'Encyclopédie de Diderot et d'Alembert. I dont know who >d'Alembert is/was. Or maybe they both wrote the "l'Encyclopédie"?) Yes, they did. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 08:58:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23777 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:58:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0HEW8F24303; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:32:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HEW1R03392; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HES6R02131 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:28:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.4e.50d45ad (3861) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:27:54 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <4e.50d45ad.29783974@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4e.50d45ad.29783974_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:28:04 EST Status: RO --part1_4e.50d45ad.29783974_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh Bjarne, I am not nearly in your class, but I do know what you mean. I was a seamstress for years making regular clothes for other people and never had enough nerve to charge what the job was worth. To make it worse, people with plenty of money and expensive fabric and detailed wishes for their clothing would try to talk me into doing more for less pay. I was so happy to be able to retire! There are always going to be people who will take advantage of others if they can get away with it. And there will always be people who try to be nice and end up being taken advantage of. Burnout is not just for the people in high tech jobs. After you take some time off and make yourself some things you might feel like doing a costume or two for others again. If not, you will keep busy with your beautiful lace work. Don't just lurk on the list though. We need your expertise. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_4e.50d45ad.29783974_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh Bjarne,  I am not nearly in your class, but I do know what you mean.  I was a seamstress for years making regular clothes for other people and never had enough nerve to charge what the job was worth.  To make it worse, people with plenty of money and expensive fabric and detailed wishes for their clothing would try to talk me into doing more for less pay.  I was so happy to be able to retire!  There are always going to be people who will take advantage of others if they can get away with it.  And there will always be people who try to be nice and end up being taken advantage of.  Burnout is not just for the people in high tech jobs.  After you take some time off and make yourself some things you might feel like doing a costume or two for others again.  If not, you will keep busy with your beautiful lace work.  Don't just lurk on the list though.  We need your expertise.

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--part1_4e.50d45ad.29783974_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 09:27:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23875 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:27:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0HF13F27189; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:01:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HF0uR13888; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:00:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us [192.154.67.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0HEefR06266 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:40:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [198.86.80.179] ([198.86.80.179]) by cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (Mail-Gear 2.0.0) with SMTP id M2002011709404829144 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:40:48 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for obscure Spanish painting From: Grace Morris To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:40:45 -0500 Status: RO Providence Day School Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Whoever was looking for the obscure retable (of course I can't find the original post) might want to look here: http://witcombe.sbc.edu/ARTHLinks6.html There are some good links to Spanish museums, and there are some great retables in the Valencia site. Jessamyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 17 09:30:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23902 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:30:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0HF4NF27692; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:04:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HF46R15207; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:04:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HEmUR09306 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:48:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.139] (pm4-139.eos.net [205.133.149.139]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21431 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:44:31 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201170231.g0H2VhR25422@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: giving up costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:41:44 -0500 Status: RO Bjarne: I used to work for a painting magazine. I never knew how many wonderful -- really WONDERFUL -- painters there are who are not famous artists. Thousands and thousands of them. I thought that people were either awful painters or famous artists. I found out that: a) To become a famous artist, you need more than talent. You have to price your paintings higher than most people can afford, you have to have an agent who will find customers for you, and you have to have a lot of luck. b) Many painters really cannot imagine charging a lot of money for their paintings. They cannot make themselves charge more money than they could pay for someone else's paintings, and most of them are not rich. c) Many, many people are happy painting for fun, and not making money at it. Perhaps you should rest for a while and make some things just for yourself, or just for fun. Enjoy sewing! Then after you think about it for a bit, you can decide whether to charge the money that your work is really worth or to just keep doing it for fun. I can tell that you are discouraged, and I would be too! Most artistic people are not good with money, and most people who are good with money are not artistic. People who are good at money and art are rare and should be thankful for their gifts! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:33:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02699 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:33:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0IL6aF04640; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:06:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IL62R05645; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IL3CR04033 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:03:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09167 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p42.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.170]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA29462 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:03:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] 13th Century Highland questions... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020115205738.01a5f7f8@mail.bmee.net> References: <200201160002.TAA25906@saltmine.radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114185937.04a0ba78@mail.bmee.net> <3C43667F.2020509@tds.net> <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:09:29 -0500 Status: RO At 09:01 PM 01/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: >That I wasn't aware of... Alas, it is not possible for me to do so. Too >many reasons to explain ehre, but one of them is health >concerns... Perhaps I should look into a different area, like >become an inuit? :-) Yeah, we're not quite as hardy, being acclimated to indoor heating and such... :D >As I just said on another answer on this topic, I'm not so much looking at >first hand pictures. Rather, at recreated garb based on folks such as >McClintock, Dunbar et als. Not quite as accurate as possible, yet better >than nothing. No, sorry, I haven't made up any clothes for that period; it's rather earlier than the period I'm doing right now (1745 Scotland) and quite a bit later than the period I used to do (Iron Age Ireland). I've got lots of other costume projects on the "to-do" list right now, but they're all 18th century or later. Did you see the link on my page to the Rogart Shirt? I think Marc Carlson has a page up on that, too. It's an actual early medieval Irish garment. That might help. Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:35:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02727 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:35:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0IL9YF05151; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:09:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IL9LR07331; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:09:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IL3GR04065 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:03:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09190 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:03:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p42.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.170]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA29478 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:03:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hemp (WAS: Web sites that sell fabrics suitablefor costuming) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20020116045840.0071fb44@mail.verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:25:13 -0500 Status: RO At 11:58 PM 01/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: > I am having a thrum cap made as well. Jamestown's source is >Kristina Buckland who has become very expensive and very slow to deliver. >Now that I think about it however, I have been waiting a long while any >way....I should look into that. Lots of sailors knitted, you know... And I heard an article on NPR the other night about how very hip knitting has become in the 20-something set. So you could take it up too, and be positively trendy and authentic, all at the same time! -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:36:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02731 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:36:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0IL9tF05298; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:09:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IL9gR07566; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:09:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IL3MR04127 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:03:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09222 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p42.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.170]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA29494 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:03:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:46:01 -0500 Status: RO At 11:55 AM 01/16/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Now, it's true that the cooking isn't generally terribly -complex-, and I >think the poor reputation may have come from having made a national cuisine >out of "basic home cooking", but what the heck - I come from someplace where >"biscuits and gravy' and 'grits' are considered normal food. > >Marc If the world's impression of American cuisine came from greasy-spoon roadside restaurants, we'd be known for pretty dismal food, too. Except for barbecue joints, of course :D _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:36:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02735 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:36:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0IL9iF05236; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:09:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IL9VR07442; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:09:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IL3JR04099 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:03:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09203 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:03:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p42.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.170]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA29485 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:03:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] sillly corset tale In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E56@tko-exch.phoenix.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:29:03 -0500 Status: RO At 12:41 AM 01/16/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Now that reminds me of a tale. A certain bride of my acquaintance decided >that she & all her bridesmaids would be wearing 1902 gowns. (Lovely dresses, >lovely wedding, too.) During the process we made corsets, petticoats, >skirts & chemises. Early on in the corset-making process, one valiant, >non-sewing bridesmaid asked the bride what "this piece" was for. Bride >carefully explained the concept of gussets and Edwardian corset shapes. >Bride then said "We all need them, except for Cin who can leave the gussets >out". Bride now claims that I, in a fit of pique replied "I have tits, too >ya know!" LOL! What pattern did you use for the corsets? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:36:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02741 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:36:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILA2F05323; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:10:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IL9mR07615; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:09:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IL3QR04156 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:03:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09230 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p42.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.170]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA29497 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:03:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: giving up costumes In-Reply-To: References: <200201170231.g0H2VhR25422@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:54:12 -0500 Status: RO At 09:41 AM 01/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: >(snip) >I can tell that you are discouraged, and I would be too! Most artistic >people are not good with money, and most people who are good with money are >not artistic. People who are good at money and art are rare and should be >thankful for their gifts! > >Gail Finke Oh, that is SO true... I considered branching out with my costumes, but have decided that the _only_ thing I'll make for customers other than my hubby and a few very close friends is corsets or stays, because there's already a good market out there for them, and other people are making them and charging very fair prices for their work, so customers are used to paying what one's time is worth (or almost, anyway). On the items I'm making for my hubby and friends, my labor is more or less a gift, and we work on the barter system. It's so hard to have the nerve to charge what my labor is worth... (shrug) -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:36:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02744 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:36:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0IL9eF05205; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:09:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IL9RR07397; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:09:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IL3FR04054 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:03:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09180 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p42.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.170]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA29473 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:03:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Message-Id: Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: OT Re: [h-cost] jeanne@parrotfantasy.com In-Reply-To: References: <"Your message with ID" <01ea01c19d60$adc9f680$536428cf@jeanne> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:42:57 -0500 Status: RO At 06:11 PM 01/14/2002 -0800, you wrote: (snip) >But to think she's a stripper.... HOW DEPRESSING is that? > >Sharon I suppose it all depends. My hubby's neice did "exotic dance" (just dancing, not any illicit sex acts) for a while, to pay off medical bills from a car accident. When they were paid off, she quit, and is now a perfectly respectable married mother of a beautiful baby girl, with a managerial job that probably pays her a LOT less than her dancing job did. And I've heard of women working their way through college by doing this. Would I do it? No. But I can't throw stones at women who are trying to pull themselves out of desperate poverty that way. Life is tough, who am I to judge? Anyway, this is getting way off-topic... we probably don't want to get into costumes and strip acts, eh? The neice mentioned above said that her 'act' (she started out dressed very conservatively, like a stereotypical librarian or schoolmarm, and her glasses) was very popular. Something about the contrast between the very prim and proper initial appearance... But said the high heels were hell and gave her no end of back pain, so she was glad to quit after her bills were paid off. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:36:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02755 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:36:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0IL9oF05264; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:09:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IL9aR07489; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:09:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IL3LR04110 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:03:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09213 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p42.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.170]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA29488 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:03:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busk Question In-Reply-To: <91.16a3924a.2976fdcf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:38:47 -0500 Status: RO At 11:01 AM 01/16/2002 -0500, you wrote: (snip) >On a similar note-My husband mundanely works for a swordsmith, my hubbys boss >is (finally) seriously thinking of adding a busk dagger to his ilne of >weapons. This after my nagging him for 3 years. The questions I have >are-would you as re-enactors/recreationists be interested in owning a busk >dagger, what price range would the corsetiers on list be willing to pay, what >would you look for in one (size range, materials for the sheathe, length of >actual dagger, would a dagger be best or would a stilletto be preferrred >etc). Please let me know either on or off list. >In Service, >Lady G Isn't the "cleavage dagger" somewhat of a RennFaire invention? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:37:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02766 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:37:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILAmF05441; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:10:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILAYR08030; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:10:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HF7UR16479 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:07:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m232.in-tch.com [216.166.191.232]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0HEtoX02893 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:56:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C46E8F0.4610C72E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] ends of the earth References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:08:32 -0700 Status: RO Yeah, and got the sex wrong, right? --Sue Robin Netherton wrote: > > *Yes, 12 gores, not 10. SCA'ers: The TI article miscounted. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:37:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02772 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:37:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILBTF05640; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:11:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILBGR08460; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:11:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepZ.post.tele.dk (fepz.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HGgkR04378 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:42:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.20]) by fepZ.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020117164247.MUKR395.fepZ.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:42:47 +0100 Message-ID: <3C46FF0D.7080507@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] giving up costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:42:53 +0100 Status: RO Hello all! I am overwhelmed by your kind conserns about my situation. It is so kind of you all to write all those good thoaghts MANY THANKS :-) Well i wont give up doing it, it is just i wont do it cheap for others anymore! I know that there will be much less to do this way, but then i have thoaght that i would start to make historical fashion dolls. Give the costumes real miniature lace and embroidery and then try to sell it on ebay. Another thing i could do is making lace hankerchiefs and sell them on ebay. Tere i can put a minimum bit to it and be sure to get a reasonable price. Then i need to find some porcelain doll heads and arms i could use for this, but real grown up dolls, not child or baby heads. Anybody know of a good online source for this? Thankyou so much for you all for the kind words! Blushing :-) Bjarne Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:37:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02776 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:37:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILBLF05594; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:11:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILB6R08367; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:11:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HFx0R10965 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.16d.74dbb0a (661) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:58:59 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <16d.74dbb0a.29784ec3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16d.74dbb0a.29784ec3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:58:59 EST Status: RO --part1_16d.74dbb0a.29784ec3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/16/2002 11:42:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, mikes@dandy.net writes: > You are far too talented to have to accept pittance for > your work. Boy, can I sympathize! Especially when one sees the crap people will pay tons of money for. I've never understood why people think something [not just clothes], one of a kind, made by a single person should be less expensive than something churned out of a 3rd world factory. --part1_16d.74dbb0a.29784ec3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/16/2002 11:42:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, mikes@dandy.net writes:


You are far too talented to have to accept pittance for
your work.


Boy, can I sympathize! Especially when one sees the crap people will pay tons of money for. I've never understood why people think something [not just clothes], one of a kind, made by a single person should be less expensive than something churned out of a 3rd world factory. --part1_16d.74dbb0a.29784ec3_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:37:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02784 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:37:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILBgF05680; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:11:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILBTR08593; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:11:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HHFkR23555 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:15:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.d1.1294fe81 (4328) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:15:34 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d1.1294fe81.297860b6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10555 Subject: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:15:34 EST Status: RO --part1_d1.1294fe81.297860b6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/17/02 7:56:00 AM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > But we are shown to be losing our home > My husband and I was in Ireland and London this past March. We only got to go to London from a Saturday night until a Wednesday morning. We stayed at a B&B, not a good one either and way out from London on the tube. Next time we know more of where to stay. Anyway on to the food. We had great Irish food in Ireland and loved just about everything we ate. The breakfast puddn' was gross to me though. They won't tell us what it was made of. Anyone on here know what that would be? My husband told me maybe I shouldn't find out. The B&B in Ireland was great that we stayed at. They cooked a full Irish hot breakfast everyday and most of it was great like I said. We stayed right in Dublin and really enjoyed our stay there. Back to London. All of our breakfasts were ate at the B&B. Now at this one in London she only put out jam, milk, oj, bread, cold cereal and a toaster. We had to fix it ourselves. I have no idea what hot breakfast foods would be like. Most of our lunches were inbetween sightseeing and was whatever we could find. We had Hardee's and McDonald's each once. We tried to step off the street to a nicer restaurant in the T-square, I can't remember how to spell that, but they wouldn't wait on us. They just kept ignoring us and setting others that came in. We were dressed no differently then the others there so we finally left. We went to a deli one time and they had good food. Sunday we went to a Mennonite Church in the London area and got invited to there potluck and we stayed. That is the only place we had real homecooked English food. I don't remember anymore what all we had but I liked everything I ate. I know there was a couple of things that looked different that stuff we normally eat at home. We didn't get to see nearly all the stuff we wanted to in London and someday might go back if we do I will have to ask for recommendations for places to eat traditional food. Kelly m311@aol.com --part1_d1.1294fe81.297860b6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/17/02 7:56:00 AM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


But we are shown to be losing our home
cooked style and moving towards fast food,


My husband and I was in Ireland and London this past March.  We only got to go to London from a Saturday night until a Wednesday morning.  We stayed at a B&B, not a good one either and way out from London on the tube.  Next time we know more of where to stay.  
Anyway on to the food.  We had great Irish food in Ireland and loved just about everything we ate.  The breakfast puddn' was gross to me though.  They won't tell us what it was made of.  Anyone on here know what that would be?  My husband told me maybe I shouldn't find out.  The B&B in Ireland was great that we stayed at.  They cooked a full Irish hot breakfast everyday and most of it was great like I said. We stayed right in Dublin and really enjoyed our stay there.
Back to London.  All of our breakfasts were ate at the B&B.  Now at this one in London she only put out jam, milk, oj, bread, cold cereal and a toaster.  We had to fix it ourselves.  I have no idea what hot breakfast foods would be like.  Most of our lunches were inbetween sightseeing and was whatever we could find.  We had Hardee's and McDonald's each once.  We tried to step off the street to a nicer restaurant in the T-square, I can't remember how to spell that, but they wouldn't wait on us.  They just kept ignoring us and setting others that came in.  We were dressed no differently then the others there so we finally left.  
We went to a deli one time and they had good food.  Sunday we went to a Mennonite Church in the London area and got invited to there potluck and we stayed.  That is the only place we had real homecooked English food.  I don't remember anymore what all we had but I liked everything I ate.  I know there was a couple of things that looked different that stuff we normally eat at home.
We didn't get to see nearly all the stuff we wanted to in London and someday might go back if we do I will have to ask for recommendations for places to eat traditional food.
Kelly
m311@aol.com
--part1_d1.1294fe81.297860b6_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:40:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02829 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:40:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILEjF06230; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:14:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILEWR10315; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:14:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f201.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.201]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HILBR02975 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:21:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:21:12 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.43 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:21:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.43] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT:mold Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2002 18:21:12.0899 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE84C930:01C19F83] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:21:12 -0500 Status: RO heh, it is Datura stramonium, which is different, i think, from the species used out west. The morning glory used by the aztecs is Rivea corymbosa (I almost had some in our living room). The regular Ipomea morning glories also contain lsd-like alkaloids. parsla _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:41:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02833 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:41:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILErF06273; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:14:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILEeR10416; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:14:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HISRR07054 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:28:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16RHH6-0006VJ-0K for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:28:32 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:27:23 +0000 Status: RO Marc Carlson wrote >>From: Leif Drews >>Well! yes it was a joke, but it is true that it is hard for a tourist >in >>London to find places with good british food. > >All things consider, when trying not to starve wandering about by myself in >England (I didn't out of England so I can't speak for the rest of Britain) I >found a number of small restaurants and pubs that served very good food. >Certainly, as might be expected, I didn't like everything I tried -- and >things made in different places by different people were frequently >completely different (some for the better, some for the worse). So much so, >that aside from the occasional forays into American food (London being >replete with McDonalds and KFC), I didn't have time to try anything OTHER >than English food. > >Now, it's true that the cooking isn't generally terribly -complex-, and I >think the poor reputation may have come from having made a national cuisine >out of "basic home cooking", but what the heck - I come from someplace where >"biscuits and gravy' and 'grits' are considered normal food. > >Marc We were lured to the "real traditional Quebecois" restaurant a couple of years ago (in Quebec, of course). Salt pork and beans. Salt beef and beans. Beans and beans? Good, practical, filling frontier food, but not what I'd call cuisine. JEan -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:43:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02840 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:43:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILDiF06022; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:13:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILDVR09712; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:13:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from m10.jersey.juno.com (m10.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HHRuR01416 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:27:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"wTnoUYNWyQzIisJdeVd0nRj9pe/IiTVXfzcLP9pMowJ80Te3XUccKQ=="> Received: (from khopkins6@juno.com) by m10.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GRDEV85P; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:27:49 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20020117.095253.-665777.0.khopkins6@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-11,13-14,16-20,22-26 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Kathy M Hopkins Subject: [h-cost] Leaving Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:52:44 -0700 Status: RO Greetings, I just thought I would say Goodbye to my friends on h-costume before unsubscribing. I am following a new path in my life and at this time costume and fabric don't have anything to do with it. Notice I said at this time. We are now the proud owners of a six year old Spanish Mustang, named Napoleon. He is not broke to ride and was abandoned by the people who adopted him from the BLM. So we have our work cut out for us. But it is so rewarding! I just can't explain the feelings of joy that comes with a connection to a horse. It's amazing. Every time I am with him, no matter how much labor it is, I feel as if I have just had a vacation. All you equestrians out there know what I am talking about. So after another year or so I may be back for advice on costuming for the Cowboy Mounted Shooting garb I will need. Yes, galloping around a course, six guns blazing, all done up in period tack and clothing. I can't wait!!!!!! Bye for now, Kathy Hopkins _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:44:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02851 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:44:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILIcF06851; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:18:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILIOR12492; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:18:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HKVjR14739 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:31:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.36] (as3-4-50.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.36]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0HKVml03973 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:31:48 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: RE: [h-cost] giving up making costumes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:05:58 -0800 Status: RO At 9:31 PM -0800 1/16/02, Wanda Pease wrote: >Bjarne, > > It sounds like a serious case of "burn out". Happens to a >lot of us who >just throw ourselves into making costumes, and enjoy seeing them. I got >this way after doing all the fitting and patterning for a Renaissance Dance >troop. My mother had a stroke and I had to go home to take care of my >father. Best thing I have ever done because it gave me time with people I >loved, something I will never be able to do again, unlike the dresses and >doublets. When I came back no one had done anything with their costumes >even though I had left careful sewing instructions and all pieces sorted >into individual bags. Wanda, that sounds like an excellent illustration of a motto I quote occasionally in the SCA: "If I am the only person who can possibly get this job done, then there's a problem -- and it has nothing to do with whether I do the job or not." Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:45:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02858 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:45:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILIpF06886; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:18:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILIbR12635; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:18:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HKViR14737 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:31:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.36] (as3-4-50.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.36]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0HKVil03360 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:31:45 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] ends of the earth Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:01:17 -0800 Status: RO At 8:25 PM +0000 1/16/02, Jean Waddie wrote: >leigh tartaglio wrote >>Hi, All. I think what Sharon was trying to say, in so many words, is what the >>costume folks for "Braveheart" should have gotten, which is that >>the Scots were >>wearing pretty much what everyone else in Europe was wearing in the >>13th Cent.. >>The Highlanders were probably a few years behind, not because of >>any culturally >>bigoted reasons, just because they were at the end of the earth, >>fashion-wise, >>although you can argue that the Greenlanders of the 14th cent. managed to >>mantain their fashion sense even to the end (thanks, Marc, for your >>contributions to this effort). > >Mike (and Marc?) > >This may have been just a throwaway remark, but can you explain? I'm >looking for evidence to put to those who think they can wear Hjerolfsnes >styles for 12th century, because, you know, Greenland was so far away, >it was really behind the times (grrr). Is there evidence of similar >styles in mainland Europe? If you look at Margareta Nockert's book on the Bocksten man, she includes diagrams of tunic cuts from a wide variety of locations in northern Europe (including the Greenland material). While not all the items are independently dated, the provide a useful stylistic context. I believe, however, that the loose, front-buttoning coat from Greenland is one of the most "up to date" styles. I think it really helps to look at the broader range of examples of the "panel + gussets" style of tunic, to get a sense of how to use it for a variety of eras. There was a broad continuity of use of this design approach, but there were also changes and modifications of particular aspects of the design that may or may not correspond to development over time or local preferences. I would tend to say that, if you exclude the loose front-buttoning gown, and the extreme cases of the multiple-underarm-gore gowns (the ones that people tend to mean when they say "THE Greenland dress") then the range of styles found at the Greenland site are likely to be valid for several centuries earlier. On the other hand, you can also draw that conclusion by looking at actual earlier garments cut in that style, without needing the Greenland examples for anything but backup (see, for example, the Kragelund (1045-1155), Moselund (1050-1155), and Ronbjerg (ca. 1200) garments). Or, to put it more simply, _some_ of the styles found in 14th c. Greenland were of a conservative type of cut that can also be found in the 12th century, however this is not because Greenland was a cultural backwater (since more innovative styles were also found there) but rather because there was some general stylistic carryover between the 12th and 14th centuries in some types of garments (for some classes). Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:45:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02869 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:45:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILJ6F06956; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:19:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILIqR12781; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:18:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HLUdR17356 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:30:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.177.2442d9a (4231) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:30:39 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <177.2442d9a.29789c7e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:30:38 EST Status: RO I decided a long time ago that I would not sew for others. They really don't want to pay, or you think you can't charge, what you are worth. I sew for myself and my husband and occasional gifts that I want to do, but I give a blanket answer of "I'm sorry, I don't sew for others" to those who ask. I DO, though, offer to provide sources and guidance if they want to make their own costumes. They rarely take me up on it, though. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:46:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02880 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:46:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILKcF07156; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:20:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILKNR13609; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:20:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from app4.nasc.inter.net (clue-by-four.nasc.inter.net [203.176.60.254]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILGKR11287 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:16:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from secure.ca.inter.net ([154.11.89.130] helo=Debug) by app4.nasc.inter.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16RgN9-0004Lx-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:16:27 -0500 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Christine X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.32 Message-Id: Subject: [h-cost] Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:16:27 Canada/Eastern Status: RO Being on the digest version, this may have already been pointed out, but within the site that Mara sent regarding the corset blanc, there is an article on clogs, with many pictures. From http://100associes.free.fr/CadreArchives.html click on Les Sabots. It's the first listing under L'Expo temporaire. Les tissus goes into detail on the construction of cloth; quite a few pictures there too. Christine --------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:48:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02892 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:48:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILMPF07510; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:22:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILMCR14679; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:22:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp001pub.verizon.net (smtp001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.180]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HNHkR17560 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:17:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (pool-151-199-134-197.norf.east.verizon.net [151.199.134.197]) by smtp001pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g0HNHq918414 Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:17:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020117231839.006f7f08@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirstie and Simon Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:18:39 -0500 Status: RO At 11:36 PM 1/16/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hi. Kirstie Buckland is quite a good source for knit goods, and she has done such >extensive research that we are indebted to her for her work (she and the late >Bishop Rutt, of course). Thank you for your kind words. I am trying slowly to build >up kit for a variety of periods. Perhaps you have met Simon Spalding, also? He has >a wonderful background in the 16th cent., although he is more interested in doing >early 19th cent. nowadays. I will try and find my e-mail addy for Terry (I have it >somewhere) and ask him about the Scots stuff. Cheers, Mike T. > Kirstie stuff is all great. Most of the knit caps used at Jamestowne settlement were supplied by her, as well as a few scotch bonnets worn where I work. Apparently she is charging Americans a "pain in the but" charge due to some unfortunate thefts (according to one of her customers and acquaintances that I know not per her words directly). For any considering it her work is excellent, the wool is usually vegetable dyed and she does several different designs. The caps seem to average just under $100 and apparently there is a year backlog presently. Yes I do know Simon, have known him for decades know now I feel old). For anyone on the list who are familiar with Mr. Spalding, you may be interested to know that he is now married and that his wive gave births to twins (one of each) in December. By strange coincedence I was working for him the day they were delivered, and the day the came home (ssome time later as they were two months premature). Simon is still interested in 15th century and intends to sponser some London Trained Band events at his home, and is also considering beginning a 16th century Irish group with a curragh he may be acquiring. Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:48:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02896 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:48:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILMcF07564; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:22:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILMPR14809; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:22:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0HNc8h27640 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:38:08 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes Message-ID: <20020117163808.F26416@net.indra.com> References: <3C45E14C.7010806@post12.tele.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:38:08 -0700 Status: RO On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 11:36:41PM -0500, Megan M. wrote: > I suspect it would not be nearly as much > fun if I *had* to do it instead of choosing to. Amen. I used to be an SCA merchant, and I lost the fun of making stuff because I *had* to make them. Now I only sew for myself and my husband, with the infrequent side project for pay for a friend or to donate something to the SCA. When I got laid off last month, my mom suggested I go back to costuming for pay, but all that thought did was make me unhappy, so I won't be doing it. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:49:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02900 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:49:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILMiF07585; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:22:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILMUR14869; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:22:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta11.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.46]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0HNpER03893 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:51:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from kat.optonline.net (ool-18bbaa6a.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.170.106]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GQ300G1YWXF3X@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:51:18 -0500 (EST) From: Purple Kat Subject: Re: [h-cost] seriously OT British In-reply-to: <007c01c19f24$4badb980$31154ed5@pavilion> X-Sender: purplkat@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020117184724.00b7a710@mail.optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <02fa01c19e93$2f0c4940$df104ed5@melaniew> <004c01c19ed0$7e53eca0$93b1d040@computer> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:51:21 -0500 Status: RO This entire subject line has made me hungry!!! If this is what English eat regularly then -- England Here I Come!!!! Right now I'm stuck in Long Island where finding a good "stick to your ribs" meal is very hard. I usually get strange looks when I ask for both gravy & butter on my mashed potatoes, I also drown my meat in gravy, I use too much salt on my food, and drown the whole thing with a milk shake [chocolate of course]. I think this kind of meal is normal because I was raised in a Polish Household. Lots of starch, fat, salt, gravy and other good stuff.. YUM!!! Katheryne who is not looking forward to her dinner of rice & tinned vegitables At 1/17/2002 01:57 AM, you wrote: > >Will you be having >fagots?" > >Basically meat balls in gravy > > >One of the other nights, they declined the "pudding" after >one of the locals told them it was wonderful, made with fresh pig's blood! >(it turned out to be blood sausage). > >Known as Black pudding > >Mel > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:49:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02907 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:49:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILN0F07623; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILMlR15038; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:22:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0I0hgR25355 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:43:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:42:52 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E71@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Corded Bodices/Corsets MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0I0hgR25355 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:43:41 -0800 Status: RO Aint it grand to have a librarian on the list? Thanks! --cin > Cynthia wrote: > >(sources are l'Encyclopédie de Diderot et d'Alembert. I dont know who > >d'Alembert is/was. Or maybe they both wrote the "l'Encyclopédie"?) > > Yes, they did. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:49:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02911 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:49:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILN9F07654; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:23:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILMuR15138; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:22:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f172.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.172]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0I1CBR05485 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:12:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:12:14 -0800 Received: from 32.102.123.13 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:12:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.123.13] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Alter Years (Was: farthingale question) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2002 01:12:14.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[29B66860:01C19FBD] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:12:13 -0800 Status: RO I don't know about quicker now, but my step-Mom lives nearby and can just pick up anything I need and she gets it to me right away. If only I had family in the orient to do the same with fabrics. sigh... Jennifer >From: Angela Kovatch >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Alter Years (Was: farthingale question) >Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:37:59 -0800 (PST) > >I'm a little surprised to see a recommendation for >Alter Years for a "quick-fix" situation. I don't >order from them any more because the few times that I >did, it tooks months to get my stuff, and even then it >wasn't always right. Of course, the last time I tried >was at least a year or two ago. Are they better now? > >-Angela > > >--- Mary Denise Smith >wrote: > > Since you are in LA, call over to AlterYears in > > Pasadena. They will fix > > you up. Phone # is on their web site, > > http://www.alteryears.com > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > MD/Marged > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:49:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02916 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:49:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILNGF07720; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:23:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILN3R15216; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f9.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0I1LIR08639; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:21:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:21:21 -0800 Received: from 32.102.123.13 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:21:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.123.13] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: f-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2002 01:21:21.0233 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FDB4C10:01C19FBE] Subject: [h-cost] desperately seeking pattern Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:21:18 -0800 Status: RO I know it's not really a period pattern, but I'm hoping someone else has a copy of Simplicity 7935 in sz 6-10. I am donating a ton of time and effort to the local school district so their choir can have formals to wear for concerts. I had the 12-16 size in my shop because I always buy new bodice patterns to see how I like them. Now that we have all the fabrics trims and fastenings picked out I find the pattern has been discontinued. If anyone has the smaller copy they would be willing to sell me, or even lend to me I would be eternally grateful. This whole town only has 620 people and I swear they counted pets, so the budget is miniscule and I've managed to pull most of it together very inexpensively without sacrificing quality. Now if I can just get the right size pattern for the tiny girls I will be able to get all 21 outfits done by Feb. 20, for their next concert, even with the added sleeve design they want added. If you have this I can be reached at distantdesigns@hotmail.com or 503-985-3149. I'm up late so late calls are fine. Thanks in advance, Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:50:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02928 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:50:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILOVF07930; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:24:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILOHR16006; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:24:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from marvin.nildram.co.uk (marvin.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0I7o3R02437 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 00:50:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 22881 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2002 07:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO x5d9i6) (195.149.37.121) by marvin.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 18 Jan 2002 07:50:10 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c19ff4$ba6fa4c0$792595c3@x5d9i6> From: "Linda Walton" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Dorothy Dodderidge's Tomb Effigy Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:49:19 -0000 Status: RO Yesterday I bought an old tourist guide to Devonshire (U.K.), and found this description. "Dorothy Dodderidge, nee Bampfield, 1582-1614. Dorothy, the wife of John Dodderidge, Solicitor General and Judge in the reign of James I, died in childbirth. Little is known of her personally, but a visit to her tomb on the north side of the Lady Chapel in Exeter Cathedral is well worthwhile. The effigy shows her lying sideways, resting on her right elbow and looking rather uncomfortable, but it is her clothes that deserve close inspection. Dorothy wears an interesting head-dress, a ruff and a beautiful flower-patterned dress, which has a lace collar and cuffs." Now, this is clean outside any period I've ever been interested in before, but somehow these words and the tiny, poorly reproduced black-and-white photograph have captured my imagination. Does anyone know where I can find more information, and preferably some good photographs? Linda Walton. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:50:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02932 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:50:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILOdF07973; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:24:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILOQR16117; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:24:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IBKSR00788 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:20:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A4DA40C0030; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 05:19:54 -0600 Message-ID: <011401c1a011$d56f1680$0200a8c0@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] New Instructor, New Classes, and Repeating classes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 06:18:19 -0500 Status: RO We have a new instructor in the Costume Classroom ( http://www.costumeclassroom.com ). Her name is Elizabeth Martin Gerds. Some of the h-costume old-timers may remember Liz. She will be teaching two classes, one about how to make a Kinsale Cloak and the other, <<>> Beginning Sewing. (A lot of people have been asking for this class) She designed this pattern for the cloak. The Beginning Sewing class will be on the schedule within a week. Elizabeth is a very seasoned workshop instructor with AlterYears and Costume College. She was president of the Costumers Guild West for one year. Drea Leed has two open slots for her 16th Century Women's Class (March session).... first come, first serve. Below are the new and repeating classes that I have added to the schedule this week: Elizabeth Martin Gerds Class: ***Making a Kinsale Cloak (Feb. 25) Juanita Leisch Classes: ***Women's Clothing of the American Civil War Period (July 15) ***Children's Clothing of the American Civil War Period (June 3) Janice P. Ryan Classes: (JP Ryan) ***Making a Late 18th Century Wardrobe: Ladies Strapless Stays (May 6) ***Making a Late 18th Century Wardrobe: Pet-en-l'air or Robe à la Française (Sackback) Gown (June 3) Aileen Wedeking Classes: ***Creative Fashion Magic (March 11) ***Making a Mystical Fairy Costume (May 11) {dress, wings, wand, and headdress included} Dr. Ann B. Wass Class: ***Early 19th Century Fashion–The Total Look (March 4) Ben Levick Class: ***Early Anglo Saxons' Costume (April 8) Note: This was his first class in the series. Marna Jean Davis Class: ***Propriety, Plain and Fancy: Victorian and Edwardian Fashions from Bustle to Gibson Girl (Sept. 30) Cornelia Rutherford Class: ***Elizabethan Men's Costumes (May 6) Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:51:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02936 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:51:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILP4F08110; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:25:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILOpR16415; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:24:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from m10.jersey.juno.com (m10.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IEURR14107 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:30:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"wTnoUYNWyQzIisJdeVd0nedDkPN6gy39f8BDueRcbHn30/SLiCTElQ=="> Received: (from khopkins6@juno.com) by m10.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GRFN4XJN; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:29:46 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20020118.064100.-665777.13.khopkins6@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-11,13-14,16-20,22-26 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Kathy M Hopkins Subject: [h-cost] Leaving Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 06:40:52 -0700 Status: RO Greetings, I just thought I would say Goodbye to my friends on h-costume before unsubscribing. I am following a new path in my life and at this time costume and fabric don't have anything to do with it. Notice I said at this time. We are now the proud owners of a six year old Spanish Mustang, named Napoleon. He is not broke to ride and was abandoned by the people who adopted him from the BLM. So we have our work cut out for us. But it is so rewarding! I just can't explain the feelings of joy that comes with a connection to a horse. It's amazing. Every time I am with him, no matter how much labor it is, I feel as if I have just had a vacation. All you equestrians out there know what I am talking about. So after another year or so I may be back for advice on costuming for the Cowboy Mounted Shooting garb I will need. Yes, galloping around a course, six guns blazing, all done up in period tack and clothing. I can't wait!!!!!! Bye for now, Kathy Hopkins _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:51:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02940 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:51:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILPPF08205; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:25:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILPCR16687; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:25:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (2xtreme.net [209.63.222.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0IGUoR05878 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:30:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 26683 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2002 16:31:01 -0000 Received: from 66-81-78-15-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.78.15) by 2xtreme.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2002 16:31:01 -0000 Message-ID: <3C484AB7.4B85F521@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] jeanne@parrotfantasy.com References: <200201170241.SAA29603@artemis.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:17:59 -0800 Status: RO When I was in college I did the costumes for a number of male strippers that worked in one of the local clubs. Had to find some interesting ways of padding G-strings with out looking like they were padded. My favorite was the one who brought in a cops uniform for me to adjust to tear away. It was a real cop uniform, I didn't have the nerve to ask him where he got it. Stephen Margo@Margospatterns.com wrote: > > >I worked several years in a costume rental place for Halloween. This > >place also, the rest of the year, did uniforms for theme restaurants and > >the like, and a lot of custom work. One of their clients was a > >"gentleman's club" where they costumed the waitresses. High class strip > >joint. > > > > I had a similar experience working in a costume store. One of our most > memorable projects was the obviously highly succesful...err..."manager" who > came in with his stable of gourgeous women (I was going to say "ladies", but > believe me, it would not be appropriate), and had us costume them as a sheik > and his harem. > > Margo > > Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns > margospatterns.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:51:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02942 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:51:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILPKF08191; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:25:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILP7R16626; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:25:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (2xtreme.net [209.63.222.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0IGPSR02695 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:25:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 25052 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2002 16:25:37 -0000 Received: from 66-81-78-15-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.78.15) by 2xtreme.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2002 16:25:37 -0000 Message-ID: <3C484974.906F00E2@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes References: <3C45E14C.7010806@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:12:36 -0800 Status: RO Bjarne I know how you feel and to be flip, "Been there got the T-shirt!" The number of times I have worked myself to death for someone else and all the do is complain is too many to count. I love to sew and now I sew only for myself, my wife and my son. Any paid job I take they are informed right from the start that I am a pain in the ass, and not cheap. But they will be happy with what I make. I have gotten good at spotting trouble makers and they are cut off without a backwards glance. Take a break, teach your lace classes, get your own wardrobe up to snuff and in a year or so things will look different. But trust me this list will always be the richer for having you as part of it. Stephen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:52:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02953 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:52:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILPwF08377; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:25:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILPjR17119; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:25:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IK5RR05427 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:05:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2cust50.tnt10.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.194.255.50] helo=earthlink.net) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16RfGX-00002f-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:05:39 -0800 Message-ID: <3C486F3F.2040505@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes References: <3C45E14C.7010806@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:53:51 -0500 Status: RO Oh, Bjarne, such burn out! Rest a while. Then make something wonderful for yourself. If you want, something you really want to make for its own sake, as a gift, for someone you love. But only if you really want to. If you decide to make things for others again, charge professional prices. Say "This is not a hobby, I am not an amateur, it is not worth my time. I am creating works of art. You should be honored that I will make this for you." You are, by the way... Your work is amazing. And good artists deserve to be able to either support themselves comfortably with their art, or do it purely for love. Not the "You love to do it, so you don't have to be paid enough for it" middle ground so many of us work in. And don't you dare leave us! We would miss you terribly. You still have knowledge to share. BTW, did I ever thank you for the information about the dolls? I was having email problems, and am not sure what I answered and what I didn't. If I did not, thank you. I'm glad I can display them without the "They're pretty but I don't know if they are accurate" disclaimer. Anne Bjarne Drews wrote: > Dear List. > I have ben thinking a lot lately. Making costumes have ben a very > passionate thing for me, but i think that i want to give it up. > I have supplied friends, socalled friends with costumes and i have > worked many many hours. It has ben fun, but now i dont know any more. > When i count all the work and se what i have ben paid for doing it, it > is a laughing stock buisines. Perhaps it is my own faults because i > have not ben able to sell myself properly, and those people i have > made costumes for didnt say: Hey that is way two cheap! You must have > more! > It has ben ages and ages since i made clothes for myself, the house > sometimes have ben a mess all because i have not had the time! Really > i quit! > But i want to stay with you. It is rather fun to discuss costumes with > you, i enjoy it very much. > But it mostly wil be as a lurker. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:52:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02957 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:52:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILQPF08458; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:26:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILQCR17397; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:26:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepZ.post.tele.dk (fepz.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IKWYR18565 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:32:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.161]) by fepZ.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020118203244.CXMR395.fepZ.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:32:44 +0100 Message-ID: <3C488670.3060602@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] giving up costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:32:48 +0100 Status: RO Hi. I think the list is down at this moment, i have had no response since yesterday afternoon. I just want to tell you something about my post to the list a couple of days ago about my thoaghts about giving up. Most of you know that Nicole Kipar was one of my costumers, i made her the blue dress with silverlace. Well i didnt realise that the post could be misleading about Nicole Kipar. She was not one of those costumers i have had, that didnt pay me well. On the contrary, Nicole payed me very well. I was a fool not realising that you could have thoaght that she was included in my thoaghts about giving up because of bad paying costumers. Sorry about this! Sometimes i oaght to let my temper blow before i write emails! Bjarne Bjarne. -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:52:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02961 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:52:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILQbF08502; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:26:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILQOR17525; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:26:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IL0nR02903 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:00:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0IL1Ar72390 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:01:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200201182101.g0IL1Ar72390@jabberwock.wonderland.com> To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] costume technician resume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:01:10 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Ok, so I've finsihed my first semester at Can~ada College [in the fashion design program, which has been discussed here before] and I'm into my second, but I'm also needing to look for work. I've worked in tech for ten years, and I have no idea any more how to format a resume for an in-school entry level kind of job. I'm hoping to get a job as a costume tech [very much entry level] or at least in a small custom boutique doing retail, so I can see some aspect of the industry. Thankfully, there are lots of those in San Francsico... So... would anyone on the list be willing to share their resume with me, or make resommendations as to sites that have posted resumes as examples on them? I'm mostly just looking for good key phrases to use, since my buzzwords vocabulary is still mostly computer oriented ;) thanks Heather Meadows alice@wonderland.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:53:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02965 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:53:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILRHF08601; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:27:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILR4R17885; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILMUR14870 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:22:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.b9.1a2e954f (4246) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:22:34 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b9.1a2e954f.2979ec1a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:22:34 EST Status: RO --part1_b9.1a2e954f.2979ec1a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/18/02 4:12:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > I've never understood why people think something [not just clothes], one of > a kind, made by a single person should be less expensive than something > churned out of a 3rd world factory. And can we all say a big AMEN to that? Yes!!! Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_b9.1a2e954f.2979ec1a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/18/02 4:12:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes:


I've never understood why people think something [not just clothes], one of a kind, made by a single person should be less expensive than something churned out of a 3rd world factory.


      And can we all say a big AMEN to that?   Yes!!!

Lalah
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--part1_b9.1a2e954f.2979ec1a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 15:58:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02977 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:58:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILWEF09532; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:32:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILW0R20808; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILVWR20571 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:31:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from tolt489 by mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: [153.39.154.23]) id QQlyju07637 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:31:44 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Subject: [h-cost] Glass beads used as buttons? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:31:58 -0500 Status: RO Greetings! My sweetie has started making glass beads, and we were wondering about other uses for them, besides jewelry. Does anyone know if they were used as buttons on clothing before 1600 AD? I'm not picky about where. We're just curious. Thanks! --Jessica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 16:06:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03016 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:06:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILeDF10456; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:40:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILe0R24788; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (mail.vegetto-af.com [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILdHR24444 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:39:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from Nic.bmee.net [66.73.73.214] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A38C22FE0144; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:28:44 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020118152904.00ac1040@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] 13th Century Highland questions... In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020115205738.01a5f7f8@mail.bmee.net> <200201160002.TAA25906@saltmine.radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114185937.04a0ba78@mail.bmee.net> <3C43667F.2020509@tds.net> <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:31:20 -0600 Status: RO At 02:09 PM 01/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: >At 09:01 PM 01/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >That I wasn't aware of... Alas, it is not possible for me to do so. Too > >many reasons to explain ehre, but one of them is health > >concerns... Perhaps I should look into a different area, like > >become an inuit? :-) > >Yeah, we're not quite as hardy, being acclimated to indoor heating and >such... :D That and having no real feeling in my legs means that I won't know if I'm actually having frostbite or not. My body might even decide to go into shock just because the legs got just cold enough without me noticing... It can get *real* nasty... >Did you see the link on my page to the Rogart Shirt? Yeah, I saw that, it was most helpful. I need to revisit it though :-) Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Kingdom of the Middle aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 16:07:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03030 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:07:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILfUF10590; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:41:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILfGR25310; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:41:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILdnR24706 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:39:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id NAA28365 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:57:21 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201182157.NAA28365@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirstie and Simon Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:57:21 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Ron Carnegie [...] > Yes I do know Simon, have known him for decades know now I feel > old). For anyone on the list who are familiar with Mr. Spalding, you may be > interested to know that he is now married and that his wive gave births to > twins (one of each) in December. By strange coincedence I was working for > him the day they were delivered, and the day the came home (ssome time later > as they were two months premature). > > Simon is still interested in 15th century and intends to sponser > some London Trained Band events at his home, and is also considering > beginning a 16th century Irish group with a curragh he may be acquiring. I haven't seen Simon in about 3 years now. Good to know life is still treating him well. Simon Spaulding founded the irish ceili that I now run. The session has run continuously every Monday night for nearly 24 years. And we still do the dance that was composed in his honor (The Iron Hand Reel). Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 16:08:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03052 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:08:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILgIF10824; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:42:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILg4R25771; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:42:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILeYR25011 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:40:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05853 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:56:17 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] ends of the earth In-Reply-To: <3C46E8F0.4610C72E@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:56:17 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Robin Netherton wrote: > > > > *Yes, 12 gores, not 10. SCA'ers: The TI article miscounted. > Yeah, and got the sex wrong, right? ;-) Sue has heard me talk about this before. It was the Museum of London "Textiles and Clothing" book that misattributed sex. Of the two gowns exemplifying the so-called Greenland cut (which is not representative of the rest of the Greenland cache, as Heather also noted), one is most likely male, and the other most likely female, based on a variety of points of evidence. The TI article did not, IIRC, look at a specific one, but at the cut in general (e.g. number and shape of pieces). The Museum of London book, however, showed a diagram of the almost-certainly-male gown and labeled it as female, and also showed an artist's rendering of the dress that does not correspond accurately to either of the gowns as diagrammed by Norlund (the archaeologist who documented them). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 16:22:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03180 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:22:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ILuEF12489; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:56:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILu1R03058; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe60.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ILtlR02932 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:55:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:55:54 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [128.95.177.85] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British From: Cruiskeen To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2002 21:55:54.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6D830B0:01C1A06A] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:55:54 -0800 Status: RO > recommendations for places to > eat traditional food. My recommendation for "seriously traditional" British food in London is in the city itself, not too far from St. Paul's Cathedral, just off Fleet Street and a stone's throw from Dr. Johnson's (of the dictionary) house... it's called the Cheshire Cheese - it claims to have been continuously open at least since Elizabethan times. It serves mostly lunch to newspaper reporters but also serves dinner/supper... phone them for their hours if you are in London... it is definitely a traditional English restaurant specializing in Roast Beef with Yorkshire pudding... Address 5 Little Essex Street (off Strand) London WC2 Tel: 020 7836 2347 Hmmm - maybe I will go there soon for lunch _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 16:30:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03228 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:30:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0IM45F13584; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:04:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IM3qR06942; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:03:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop018.verizon.net (pop018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.212]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IM2sR06408 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:02:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from default ([151.199.134.197]) by pop018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.02 201-253-122-122-102-20011128) with SMTP id <20020118220306.CVPN11895.pop018.verizon.net@default> for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:03:06 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020118220352.006fc3bc@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hemp (WAS: Web sites that sell fabrics suitablefor costuming) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:03:52 -0500 Status: RO At 02:25 PM 1/18/02 -0500, you wrote: >At 11:58 PM 01/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: >> I am having a thrum cap made as well. Jamestown's source is >>Kristina Buckland who has become very expensive and very slow to deliver. >>Now that I think about it however, I have been waiting a long while any >>way....I should look into that. > >Lots of sailors knitted, you know... And I heard an article on NPR the >other night about how very hip knitting has become in the 20-something set. > So you could take it up too, and be positively trendy and authentic, all >at the same time! > >-- Mara I will feel more comfortable with that if it was normal knitting. Fir the life of me I couldn't understand how the thrums were attached or was it knit from them). I am also VERY busy. This is similiar to how I started costuming however ( it was driven originally by need). Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 16:30:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03234 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:30:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0IM4HF13630; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:04:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IM43R07053; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:04:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe127.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IM3PR06697 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:03:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:03:32 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.25.96.242] From: "Gia Gavino" To: "Costume List" Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1A028.E80A7520" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2002 22:03:32.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8362F50:01C1A06B] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:03:29 -0800 Status: RO ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1A028.E80A7520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry..yet another What he said.. Hugs and take time for yourself! Gia/Giacinta ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Bergdahl Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 1:30 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes Bjarne I know how you feel and to be flip, "Been there got the T-shirt!" The number of times I have worked myself to death for someone else and all the do is complain is too many to count. I love to sew and now I sew only for myself, my wife and my son. Any paid job I take they are informed right from the start that I am a pain in the ass, and not cheap. But they will be happy with what I make. I have gotten good at spotting trouble makers and they are cut off without a backwards glance. Take a break, teach your lace classes, get your own wardrobe up to snuff and in a year or so things will look different. But trust me this list will always be the richer for having you as part of it. 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 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1A028.E80A7520-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 16:32:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03254 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:32:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0IM6FF13933; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:06:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IM61R08198; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta017.verizon.net (mta017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IM5CR07730 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:05:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from default ([151.199.134.197]) by mta017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.02 201-253-122-122-102-20011128) with SMTP id <20020118220523.CVTE9090.mta017.verizon.net@default> for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:05:23 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020118220610.006d4794@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Leaving Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:06:10 -0500 Status: RO At 09:52 AM 1/17/02 -0700, you wrote: >So after another year or so I may be back for advice on costuming for >the Cowboy Mounted Shooting garb I will need. Yes, galloping around >a course, six guns blazing, all done up in period tack and clothing. I >can't >wait!!!!!! > >Bye for now, > >Kathy Hopkins I am envolved in Cowboy Action Shooting, and will be glad to help you, in a year or sooner.... Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 16:34:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03271 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:34:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0IM7FF14156; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:07:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IM71R08763; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta016.verizon.net (mta016pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.220]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IM6hR08607 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:06:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from default ([151.199.134.197]) by mta016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.02 201-253-122-122-102-20011128) with SMTP id <20020118220655.CUYX9126.mta016.verizon.net@default> for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:06:55 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020118220741.006d3c8c@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT:mold Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:07:41 -0500 Status: RO At 01:21 PM 1/17/02 -0500, you wrote: > >heh, it is Datura stramonium, which is different, i think, from the >species used out west. The morning glory used by the aztecs is Rivea >corymbosa (I almost had some in our living room). The regular Ipomea >morning glories also contain lsd-like alkaloids. > >parsla Might be why I didn't recognize it out here, our Datura had a very obvious flower. Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 16:37:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03292 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:37:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0IM9FF14454; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:09:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IM92R09852; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:09:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IM8AR09396 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:08:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.d6.10dc2703 (4322) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:08:10 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Busk Question/busc dagger Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:08:09 EST Status: RO In a message dated 18/1/02 3:10:39 PM, lindo@radix.net writes: << Isn't the "cleavage dagger" somewhat of a RennFaire invention? -- Mara >> Never said it was period period but this is what I have found out about them and a bit more info. I found a pic accredited as a 17th century busc dagger in the NY public library in a book called something like "Accessories of Dress" a number of years ago. The piece was made to go into the casing you'd normally slip a busc into. The sheathe stays in the casing and the dagger itself slides into it with a small amount sticking out of the casing. The piece looked like a katana? wagasashi? (which ever one looks like a slightly curved piece of wood). The top edge that sticks up out of the corset was carved into something that looked like a narrow fleur di lis. Looked like just enough to grab with a forefinger and thumb to draw. As the piece was listed as an extant piece rather than a reproduction, I'm going to presume that at least one existed in period. I seem to remember a reference to Catherine di Medici having one also. As to it being a ren faire thing, the main reason I keep after Dan to make them is the ones they sell as bodice daggers are basically stillettos that the sheathe slips betwixt and between and the cleavage is expected to hold it in place. I'd be afraid to get a cut in a sensitive spot. The one in the book at least would avoid that. Plus (a) the design appears to be a solid one ie workable (b) I've gotten requests for a shop to get them at several points in time (c) recreationists (as opposed to rennies) seem disappointed in the ones offered so this would get the correct design out there (d) you'd already have some of your feast gear at "hand" when needed >bg<. I've looked and looked for another reference to them and found a few asides but nothing solid. It may well have been a rarity or something so common it wasn't described. It may be something completly out of SCA period and more into Cavalier or it may be like the 16th century cast iron corset, and originally used for something completely different. Just wanted to know if anyone on list was interested and what their idea of what it should be would be. In Service, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 17:03:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03447 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:03:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0IMbFF17948; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:37:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IMb0R24266; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IMamR24168 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:36:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A36246F0030; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:36:18 -0600 Message-ID: <007401c1a070$737037c0$0200a8c0@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3C45E14C.7010806@post12.tele.dk> <20020117163808.F26416@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:34:51 -0500 Status: RO Eliz, I am sorry you got laid off. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 17:19:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03521 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:19:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0IMXIF17480; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:33:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IMX3R22410; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IMWOR22086 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:32:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A25955D00E6; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:31:53 -0600 Message-ID: <006701c1a06f$d58287c0$0200a8c0@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <16d.74dbb0a.29784ec3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01C1A045.EB753840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:31:10 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C1A045.EB753840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that part of the problem is that people saw their mothers sew and never charged their family members. So others think they can get our services cheap. I can tell you this Bjarne, from looking at the costumes you have sent us, you should be getting top dollar. Maybe an idea, post your diploma on the wall where your customers come in for a fitting. Beside that post one of the bills from the school you went to. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C1A045.EB753840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think that part of the problem is that people saw their mothers = sew and never charged their family members.  So others think they can get = our services cheap.
 
I can tell you this Bjarne, from looking at the costumes you have = sent us, you should be getting top dollar. 
 
Maybe an idea, post your diploma on the wall where your customers = come in for a fitting.  Beside that post one of the bills from the school = you went to. 
 
Penny Ladnier
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------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C1A045.EB753840-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 17:20:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03534 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:20:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0IMsGF20213; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:54:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IMs2R03368; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from urdvg136.cms.usa.net (urdvg136.cms.usa.net [204.68.25.136]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0IMroR03267 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:53:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 15726 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2002 22:55:55 -0000 Received: from cpdvg202.cms.usa.net (165.212.10.6) by outbound.postoffice.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2002 22:55:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 1087 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2002 22:53:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20020118225357.1086.qmail@cpdvg202.cms.usa.net> Received: from 206.163.135.19 [206.163.135.19] by cpdvg202.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer 34FM.0700.28.01B); Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:53:57 +0000 From: Shea Young To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [[h-cost] Clogs] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.28.01B) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0IMroR03267 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 18 Jan 2002 14:53:57 PST Status: RO Christine wrote: > From > http://100associes.free.fr/CadreArchives.html > click on Les Sabots. This reminds me of the story behind the word "sabotage". Factory workers threw their clogs into the gears, effectively shutting the place down! I don't have the reference for what country, incident or date it was - just one of those many facts gleened while researching something else... Shea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 17:22:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03546 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:22:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0IMukF20588; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:56:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IMuXR04722; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:56:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IMtRR04098 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:55:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0IMv2g20755 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18277 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:59:18 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <007401c1a070$737037c0$0200a8c0@chstfld1.va.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] BBS Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:59:17 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Penny, I know what the problem with posting to the BBS is. I need to talk with one of the tech guys running the box that your website is on, to get write permissions for the Internet Guest account (IUSR_MACHINE) to the BB directory. Do you know who I can contact? Thanks, Drea On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Eliz, > > I am sorry you got laid off. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 17:23:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03552 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:23:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0IMvFF20701; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:57:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IMv1R05047; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0IMufR04806 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:56:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([68.55.178.225]) by femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020118225652.PCAV27198.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:56:52 -0800 Message-ID: <3C48A837.631166B7@home.com> From: Liz / Cozit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200201182234.g0IMY3R22837@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Sources for English mid 16th cent. non-nobles? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@home.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:56:55 -0500 Status: RO Changing social classes that I usually look at, I'm starting to look for sources for what a tenant farmer's wife (any level... from those at the top who'd likely have a few servants, down to those who *might* only have the one dress at a time) might wear... in England, within 50 miles of London, during the mid 1500s. Thinking about it logically, I'd guess that a well off family might be dressed similarly to nobility... in style, but not in fabric and color choices. ... but what the "next" level down, where the wife might help in the fields or with animals occasionally, rather than "just" within the house and kitchen gardens.... who *might* have one girl to help out, I'm having trouble figuring out. Either way, I'm also guessing that the bumroll might cover both those levels, but no lower along the scale. And for those who would likely get their next outfit as the last one was on it's last many turned legs, I haven't a clue what style they would choose to cut the fabric. I either have glossed over, or haven't seen many paintings with "villagers" in them, at a size where you could have even an educated guess at what the dress actually looked like. Can anyone point me in a good starting direction? (or even a so so one?) Thanks! -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 17:42:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03651 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:42:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0INGHF23031; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:16:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ING0R15417; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0INFHR14985 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:15:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCl5gUZe+VK+2SQaLvSS5gDrQLRXZTTyq3g=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GRGL3642; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:13:38 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sources for English mid 16th cent. non-nobles? Message-ID: <20020118.171041.-898563.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 14-16 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:10:41 -0600 Status: RO One of the better sources (although not perfect) is a huge painting called either "The Wedding At Bermondsey" or "The Fete At Bermondsey". It shows a broad cross-section of English middle and lower classes gathered for a celebration of some sort- hence the difference in names. Now there are a couple of caveats involved with the painting. The most important is that while it is set in England (just across the Thames from the Tower of London which you can see in the background), it was painted by a Dutch/Flemish artist and is related to the Flemish genre paintings which also produced the Flemish working woman pictures. As such, we cannot be absolutely sure that the fashions portrayed are completely English. On the other hand, I feel that the fashions couldn't have been ragingly wrong or his English audience wouldn't have accepted the painting. If you can find a large enough reproduction (I'm still looking for a really good one) you will be able to see a wide variety of styles for both men and women as well as some good documentation for Elizabethan kitchens! Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 17:49:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03746 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:49:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0INNEF23882; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:23:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0INN1R19012; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0INMFR18638 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:22:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AE0440C0166; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:21:40 -0600 Message-ID: <00d501c1a076$c8986460$0200a8c0@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] BBS X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:20:55 -0500 Status: RO Drea made an oooppps!!!!! <<> That was supposed to be a personal message to me. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "aleed" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:59 PM Subject: [h-cost] BBS > > Penny, > > I know what the problem with posting to the BBS is. I need to talk with > one of the tech guys running the box that your website is on, to get write > permissions for the Internet Guest account (IUSR_MACHINE) to the BB > directory. Do you know who I can contact? > > Thanks, > > Drea > > > > On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > Eliz, > > > > I am sorry you got laid off. > > > > Penny Ladnier > > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > > http://www.costumegallery.com > > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 17:49:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03750 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:49:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0INNYF23918; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:23:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0INNLR19181; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:23:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0INMtR18962 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:22:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net16sp107.directcon.net [209.233.107.107]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA07336 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:21:54 -0800 Message-Id: <200201182321.PAA07336@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] giving up making costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:21:54 -0800 Status: RO Well, Bjarne, at least you can see you're not alone! I've struggled with the appreciation/pay problems in costuming for years. I finally came to the conclusion that it's just about impossible to get aid what it's worth to make detailed, one of a kind historical costumes. Theater work isn't much better, at least in the US: A theatrical costumer makes about half what a theatrical carpenter does. So I gave up the idea of making any sort of a living off of costuming. (Of course, that's when my Fairy GodInvestor showed up and poured enough money in my lap to make my pattern business possible, but I wouldn't recommend that anyone count on that happening.) However, there are some benefits beyond the financial in taking on the occasional project for hire. When you make a costume to someone else's taste, it can help you grow as an artist, by stretching you in directions you might not have gone on your own. Working with many different body types will teach you far more about fitting than you can ever learn on your own. And, of course, there's the advantage of having someone else pay for your materials...I could never have afforded to buy leather to work with, or use real silk, or enough crystals and pearls to pave a forepart, but my clients could, and I was able to improve my skills and learn new techniques while earning something. Dolls are a good way to go, but be warned that finding historically accurate fabrics and trims to scale will be even harder than finding them fullsized! On the other hand, you can take the entire project and put it in a shoebox when you're not working on it, a terrific advantage. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 18:07:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03817 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:07:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0INfFF25843; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:41:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0INf1R28554; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0INeeR28344 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:40:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.18d.1ff86d4 (2172) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:40:43 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <18d.1ff86d4.297a0c7a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] desperately seeking pattern To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18d.1ff86d4.297a0c7a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10032 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:40:42 EST Status: RO --part1_18d.1ff86d4.297a0c7a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I seem to remember that you can get some recently discontinued patterns from the company. Anyone else have details? Also check their website and call their toll-free number. Ann Wass --part1_18d.1ff86d4.297a0c7a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I seem to remember that you can get some recently discontinued patterns from the company.  Anyone else have details?  Also check their website and call their toll-free number.
Ann Wass --part1_18d.1ff86d4.297a0c7a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 18:16:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03882 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:16:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0INoFF26860; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0INo0R03183; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0INnTR02826 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:49:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.95.162161d9 (2172) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:49:32 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <95.162161d9.297a0e8c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_95.162161d9.297a0e8c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10032 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:49:32 EST Status: RO --part1_95.162161d9.297a0e8c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yet another issue about charging what we are worth--a friend for a while was trying to make a living at costuming and had more work than he could handle (probably a sure sign that you are not charging enough, by the way!) He asked if I would work for him. Well, first of all, it is the creative process I enjoy, not just the sewing--one reason why I only lasted one season in the theater. And second, I told him he couldn't afford me. I refuse to work off the books, and, by the time we in the States pay income tax and social security, we have to charge almost double what we would otherwise. Ann Wass --part1_95.162161d9.297a0e8c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yet another issue about charging what we are worth--a friend for a while was trying to make a living at costuming and had more work than he could handle (probably a sure sign that you are not charging enough, by the way!)  He asked if I would work for him.  Well, first of all, it is the creative process I enjoy, not just the sewing--one reason why I only lasted one season in the theater.  And second, I told him he couldn't afford me.  I refuse to work off the books, and, by the time we in the States pay income tax and social security, we have to charge almost double what we would otherwise. 
Ann Wass --part1_95.162161d9.297a0e8c_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 18:17:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03894 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:17:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0INpEF26948; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:51:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0INp0R03668; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta03bw.bigpond.com (mta03bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0INonR03576 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:50:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.87]) by mta03bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQ5RWN00.8MG for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:57:59 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-123.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.123]) by bwmam07.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0h 56/3498990); 19 Jan 2002 09:50:53 Message-ID: <3C49C1B7.2010400@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: AndyCO. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question References: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> <3C3EF4BC.2690EBC@faucet.net> <3C41D58B.7090902@bigpond.com> <3C40DE79.F99FD96F@faucet.net> <3C43BAC6.6080703@bigpond.com> <3C464291.8F00D8E7@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:57:59 -0800 Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Claire Clarke wrote: > >>> In addition, there's the possible-v-back issue (see Holbein's >>> sketch of the Unknown Lady from 1535, front and back), which would make >>> an acute angle necessary and help tremendously in keeping the straps up, >>> especially considering the weight of Tudor sleeves. >> >> Mine does have a v-back, which probably adds to the problem.... > > > But that should _help_ the problem, because the straps go from the sides > of your chest in the front to a v in the back, so there's automatically > an acute angle with the neckline and there's no way they can fall off > your shoulders. It's just a matter of proper fitting to get them to lay right. Ah, but mine don't go all the way over, there's a shoulder seam. Necessary for economy of fabric unfortunately. I'm sure it'll work out once I have a go, but it's a bit daunting, because I'm going to have to really hack into it (pull the strap up more and cut the armhole deeper) I suspect. > > >>> If you're anywhere near the Milwaukee area, I would be happy to assist >>> in any way I can with the fitting. I have Garb Workdays twice a month >>> in the costume shop where I work. >> >> Thank you kindly, but nowhere near Milwaukee. Not remotely. >> >> Claire (in Australia) > > > Ooh, that is a little far! Well, hopefully there's someone closer to > you who can help. One thing I've learned is that you just can't fit > things on yourself. Not sixteenth century things, anyway. Heh! Well the joke is, this is the first thing I'd made up on my dummy when I got it. Unfortunately it's one of the rigid ones so not ideal. Claire > > Good luck! > Melanie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 18:37:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03984 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:37:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J0BFF28885; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:11:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J0B1R12545; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J0AFR12224 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:10:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net16sp107.directcon.net [209.233.107.107]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA31841 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:09:16 -0800 Message-Id: <200201190009.QAA31841@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] desperately seeking pattern Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:09:16 -0800 Status: RO At 06:40 PM 01/18/2002 EST, you wrote: >I seem to remember that you can get some recently discontinued patterns from >the company. Anyone else have details? Also check their website and call >their toll-free number. This is one of the Renaissance wench-ish patterns, right? You might want to try Ebay. There's at least one seller who seems to have bought them up by the hundreds and lists them constantly. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 19:02:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04079 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:02:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J0aFF01540; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:36:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J0a0R23777; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J0ZjR23653 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:35:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AF4349400CA; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:35:15 -0600 Message-ID: <012701c1a081$09ef7d40$0200a8c0@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <95.162161d9.297a0e8c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0123_01C1A057.20500AC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:34:20 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0123_01C1A057.20500AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the big things I saw in college was that the costume design and fashion design majors were not taught some principles of business. I was in the fashion merchandising track and took design classes in both. So many people in the clothing industries go into business for themselves, and do not know how to analyze cost/retail. Then there is the marketing, keeping the books, legal issues, taxes, etc. It really burns me that most colleges programs do not think that maybe these design students want to go into business for themselves. A suggestion, if you want to go into business for yourself, go to the your community college or Small Business Administration and take some classes. The SBA has a wealth of information. I would like to share with you all someone I learned about last night. Maybe it will give you some ideas. I was talking on the phone last night with one of our students. She is in a small town, 50,000 people. She is about 100 miles from a large city. This small town loves the arts and has a wonderful theater. She works year round for her local theater as the costume designer. During the day, she goes from school to school in her district, teaching kids about costumes. She said that she is paid really well by the school district to do this. The program is called Artist in Residence. I think the schools receive grants for these programs. They contract artists in their community to come in and teach their skills to the students. (My school district has this program too!) Now she is not just going into the drama dept. She is teaching across all grade levels. Think about how many subject areas touches onto costume. This lady also works wardrobe when the touring Broadway plays come into her town. I asked her what was the best piece of advice to offer other costumers. She said, "Network!! That is how you get the jobs." BTW, this lady does not have a degree in costume design... its in music. You can make a living in this industry, just don't put all your cookies in one jar. Branch out! Write a list of all your skills. Think outside of the box... how can you use your skills in your community. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ------=_NextPart_000_0123_01C1A057.20500AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One of the big things I saw in college was that the costume design = and fashion design majors were not taught some principles of = business.  I was in the fashion merchandising track and took design classes in = both.  So many people in the clothing industries go into business for = themselves, and do not know how to analyze cost/retail.  Then there is the = marketing, keeping the books, legal issues, taxes, etc.  It really burns me = that most colleges programs do not think that maybe these = design students want to go into business for themselves.  
 
A suggestion, if you want to go into business for yourself, go to = the your community college or Small Business Administration and take some classes.  The SBA has a wealth of information.
 
I would like to share with you all someone I = learned about last night.  Maybe it will give you some ideas.  I was talking on = the phone last night with one of our students.  She is in a small town, = 50,000 people.  She is about 100 miles from a large city.  This small = town loves the arts and has a wonderful theater.  She = works year round for her local theater as the costume designer.  = During the day, she goes from school to school in her district, teaching kids about = costumes.  She said  that she is paid really well by the = school district to do this.  The program is called Artist in = Residence. I think the schools receive grants for these programs. =  They contract artists in their community to come in and teach their skills to the students. (My school district has this program too!)  Now she = is not just going into the drama dept.  She is teaching across all grade levels.  Think about how many subject areas touches onto costume.  This lady also works wardrobe when the touring = Broadway plays come into her town.  I asked her what was the best piece of = advice to offer other costumers.  She said, "Network!! That is how you get = the jobs."  BTW, this lady does not have a degree in costume design... = its in music.
 
You can make a living in this industry, just don't put all your = cookies in one jar.  Branch out!  Write a list of all your skills.  = Think outside of the box... how can you use your skills in your = community. 
   
 
------=_NextPart_000_0123_01C1A057.20500AC0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 19:09:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04104 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:09:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J0hFF02384; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:43:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J0h1R26476; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J0g8R26160 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:42:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from kat.optonline.net (ool-18bbaa6a.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.170.106]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GQ500LIYTYKDW@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:42:22 -0500 (EST) From: Purple Kat Subject: Re: [[h-cost] Clogs] In-reply-to: <20020118225357.1086.qmail@cpdvg202.cms.usa.net> X-Sender: purplkat@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020118194043.00aa5270@mail.optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:42:37 -0500 Status: RO At 1/18/2002 05:53 PM, you wrote: >Christine wrote: > > From > http://100associes.free.fr/CadreArchives.html > > click on Les Sabots. > >This reminds me of the story behind the word "sabotage". Factory workers threw >their clogs into the gears, effectively shutting the place down! >I don't have the reference for what country, incident or date it was - just >one of those many facts gleened while researching something else... > >Shea Yeah -- I heard that one too-- the workers threw their wooden shoes called "sabots" into the machinery -- hence the word "sabotage" IIRC it was used in one of the Star Trek movies [the one where kirk & bones are on a Klingon prison world] Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 19:11:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04115 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:11:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J0iEF02451; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:44:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J0i0R26756; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0J0hfR26652 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:43:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 2552 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2002 00:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.236.76) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2002 00:43:48 -0000 Message-ID: <3C48C187.A75C48A7@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sources for English mid 16th cent. non-nobles? References: <200201182234.g0IMY3R22837@net.indra.com> <3C48A837.631166B7@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:44:56 -0600 Status: RO It depends on when "mid-century" is to you. There's so little that it's hard to be picky, but you can see changes over time. These range from middle to lower class, and there's definitely a difference. Here are the few that I know of (in addition to the Wedding at Bermondsey, which is a great source already mentioned by the lovely Karen): c. 1540 http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Unknown%20Lady%20B.jpg 1563 http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/costumes/articles/xw_132.html You can't see much of their clothing, but they're definitely from the lower strata. c. 1570 http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/gallery/images/middle-wmn.gif The famous Lucas de Heere drawing. It should be noted that he was not English. The lady on the right looks suspiciously like many of the ladies in the Flemish genre paintings of this period except for her hat. Whether it's the same outfit or not I don't know. For more info on the Flemish style see http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/lowerclass/flemish-dress.html and for a great selections of paintings depicting the Flemish style see http://www.lepg.org/gallery.htm 1572 http://www.costumegallery.com/Tailors/mappeople/london.html This one is called "London" but I'm not sure of the nationality of the artist(s) and whether they would know what people in London were wearing. 1574 http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/costumes/articles/xw_136.html Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 20:01:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04309 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:01:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J1YbF06377; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:34:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J1YMR11016; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:34:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0J1XLR10773 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:33:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 14231 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2002 01:33:31 -0000 Received: from tempest.sonic.net (208.201.224.25) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2002 01:33:31 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d10.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.10]) by tempest.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g0J1XU230573; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:33:30 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C48CD35.A592E55@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com, vintage@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Choker necklaces for Goths and Moulin Rouge fans Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:34:45 -0800 Status: RO http://www.raveneve.com/chokers.html http://www.familyjools.com/Bachinski/suegallery.html http://www.sskboutique.com/set312.html http://www.eclecticala.com/occasions/occasions1.htm --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 20:05:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04332 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:05:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J1cEF06632; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:38:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J1c0R11875; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J1btR11837 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:37:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust79.tnt4.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.229.114.79] helo=hppav) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16RkSM-0004rS-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:38:07 -0500 Message-ID: <003a01c1a089$fa1490a0$4f72e541@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] giving up making costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:38:19 -0600 Status: RO Hi Bjarne, usually I lurk, but you letter needs an answer. Costume for yourself, but don't stop costuming because people who don't understand the art don't give you feedback you need. What I have seen of your work is wonderful, and what I've read of your posts sounds like this is something you have to do. Please yourself first, and learn to say no to some of the so-called friends. Just my two cents. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 20:10:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04359 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:10:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J1iEF07108; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:44:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J1i0R13434; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J1hNR13301 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:43:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m134.in-tch.com [216.166.191.134]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0J1W6f00400 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:32:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C48D03D.3AA27BDC@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:47:41 -0700 Status: RO *snort*....that's a good one.....think I'll stick it in my seneschal's folder..... --Sue (also in the SCA) Heather Rose Jones wrote: > > > Wanda, that sounds like an excellent illustration of a motto I quote > occasionally in the SCA: "If I am the only person who can possibly > get this job done, then there's a problem -- and it has nothing to do > with whether I do the job or not." > > Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 20:14:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04381 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:14:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J1mFF07402; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:48:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J1m0R14471; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J1lQR14296 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:47:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m134.in-tch.com [216.166.191.134]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0J1aIf02635 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:36:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C48D13C.786A9003@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busk Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:51:56 -0700 Status: RO I've actually avoided busks so far....I'm really large-sized, and a lot of it is tummy, so rigid busks strike as counter-intuitive with my current figure . --Sue Grace Morris wrote: > > Providence Day School > Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > On 1/16/02 9:59 AM, "Deredere & Owen Iskander" wrote: > > > I was thinking of Spain 1560-1580 > > And I was wondering if it is comfortable.. > > > > Greetings, > > Deredere > > Before I swore off wearing corsets( because of the heat, mostly) my corset > had a busk. I had no trouble with the comfort level, but it didn't extend > too far down in front. > > Grace/Jessamyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 18 20:23:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04420 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:23:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J1vFF07883; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:57:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J1v1R16783; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J1uLR16561 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:56:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07494 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:12:09 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] ends of the earth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:12:09 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > Or, to put it more simply, _some_ of the styles found in 14th c. > Greenland were of a conservative type of cut that can also be found in > the 12th century, however this is not because Greenland was a cultural > backwater (since more innovative styles were also found there) but > rather because there was some general stylistic carryover between the > 12th and 14th centuries in some types of garments (for some classes). As usual, Heather said it all more clearly and concretely than I could ever manage. If it wasn't clear when I wrote earlier, I do want to clarify now: When I told Jean that the Greenland gowns bore little resemblance to mainland 12th century styles, I was assuming she was meaning the oft-cited 12-gore types. As Heather notes, there are *other* Greenland gowns cut on a more generic gored pattern that might be more likely to resemble mainland clothing of the 12th century ... but that's primarily because this is a common approach, not because Greenland was doing out-of-date stuff that was directly representative of two centuries earlier. And there still are far better ways to identify the cutting trends for 12th-century mainland than by going to 14th century Greenland! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 01:18:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05407 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:18:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J6qJF26257; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:52:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J6q0R27741; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J6prR27708 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:51:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-76.frys.com [66.121.20.76]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0J6oBr11847 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:50:12 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020118225313.00bdcc40@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes In-Reply-To: <3C45E14C.7010806@post12.tele.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0J6prR27708 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:56:20 -0800 Status: RO Years ago I gave up making costumes for anybody else, with very few exceptions. I hate sewing for other people, and I never get enough money to like doing it. So I continue making stuff for myself, and those few friends of mine who catch me at a moment of weakness, but I got out of the commercial sewing business. Please keep making things for yourself if you like to have them. Don't give up on costuming till your own wardrobe is properly filled. And I'm glad you're sticking around here. Leif Drews writes, in a message sent 09:23 PM 1/16/02 +0100: >Dear List. >I have ben thinking a lot lately. Making costumes have ben a very >passionate thing for me, but i think that i want to give it up. >I have supplied friends, socalled friends with costumes and i have >worked many many hours. It has ben fun, but now i dont know any more. >When i count all the work and se what i have ben paid for doing it, it >is a laughing stock buisines. Perhaps it is my own faults because i have >not ben able to sell myself properly, and those people i have made >costumes for didnt say: Hey that is way two cheap! You must have more! >It has ben ages and ages since i made clothes for myself, the house >sometimes have ben a mess all because i have not had the time! Really i >quit! >But i want to stay with you. It is rather fun to discuss costumes with >you, i enjoy it very much. >But it mostly wil be as a lurker. > >Bjarne > > >-- > > >Leif Drews >Åboulevard 5, 3 th >1635 København V > >Bjarne Drews >Åboulevard 5,3.th >1635 København V > >tlf. 35 37 13 70 > >My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > >Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 03:29:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05759 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 03:29:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J93hF03633; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:03:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J8X1R17989; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J8WkR17929 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:32:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-136.frys.com [66.121.20.136]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0J8V5r13713 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:31:05 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020119001455.00ae3d00@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:16:19 -0800 Status: RO >If the world's impression of American cuisine came from greasy-spoon >roadside restaurants, we'd be known for pretty dismal food, too. Except >for barbecue joints, of course :D If the world's impression of American cuisine came from McDonald's and KFC, nobody would ever eat here, including us. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 03:29:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05763 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 03:29:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J93rF03785; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:03:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J8D1R14581; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J8C8R14411 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:12:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion ([213.78.39.24]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADC95896; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:12:20 GMT Message-ID: <010701c1a0c1$98c0f7c0$18274ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:15:53 -0000 Status: RO >We had great Irish food in Ireland and loved just about everything we ate. The breakfast puddn' was gross to me though. Irelands food is very good easier to find that English food these days (in each respective country) > They won't tell us what it was made of. Anyone on here know what that would be? I assume pigs blood >All of our breakfasts were ate at the B&B. Now at this one in London she only put out jam, milk, oj, bread, cold cereal and a toaster. Well that is a pretty poor English breakfast !! Being in London was the B&B person English at all ? Seems to me there are very few English people in London these days :) >We tried to step off the street to a nicer restaurant in the T-square, I can't remember how to spell that, but they wouldn't wait on us. They just kept ignoring us and setting others that came in. We were dressed no differently then the others there so we finally left. Odd !! I've been to quite a few nice resturants in London, but London ISN@T the whole of England & not very typical at all IMHO Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 03:29:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05767 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 03:29:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J949F03965; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:04:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J881R13642; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J870R13452 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion ([213.78.39.24]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADC95843; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:07:12 GMT Message-ID: <00f701c1a0c0$e0fe1f00$18274ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: , <:drewscph@post12.tele.dk> References: <3C46FF0D.7080507@post12.tele.dk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up costumes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:10:44 -0000 Status: RO >Then i need to find some porcelain doll heads and arms i could use for this, but real grown up dolls, not child or baby heads. Anybody know of a good online source for this? Please contact me direct Leif, I have a friend who is doing very fine dolls, reproductions of historial ones here in England Mel MelanieWilson@bigfoot.com) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 03:30:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05779 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 03:30:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J94PF04025; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:04:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J8XBR18048; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:33:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J8WqR17948 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:32:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-136.frys.com [66.121.20.136]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0J8V9r13722 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:31:09 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020119002551.00a90bb0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: pudding (was Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:29:06 -0800 Status: RO >specializing in Roast Beef with Yorkshire pudding... Will someone please tell me what English 'pudding' is? I know what my mother used to make, but we're American, so it can't be that. I especially want to know what 'figgy pudding' is, as in "We all love our figgy pudding" from the Christmas carol. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 03:30:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05783 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 03:30:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J950F04044; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J8p1R21374; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from morgoth.tuug.fi (IDENT:postfix@morgoth.tuug.fi [130.232.72.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J8ohR21322 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:50:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by morgoth.tuug.fi (Postfix, from userid 15211) id AC89E7F13; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:50:56 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by morgoth.tuug.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9254D3EB3 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:50:56 +0200 (EET) From: Ella Lynoure Rajamaki To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020118225313.00bdcc40@mail.frys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:50:56 +0200 (EET) Status: RO On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > Years ago I gave up making costumes for anybody else, with very few > exceptions. I hate sewing for other people, and I never get enough money > to like doing it. So I continue making stuff for myself, and those few > friends of mine who catch me at a moment of weakness, but I got out of the > commercial sewing business. Unit Pricing for Dressmaking gives good advice for this kind of situations: If you are seriously thinking of quiting, double your prices. It will either get you more money, more time for other activities and in 'worst' case it your clients will simply leave you (therefore, doing the quitting for you in a rather painless way). -- Lynoure Rajamaki lynoure@tuug.fi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 03:31:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05790 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 03:31:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J95wF04089; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:05:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J8XFR18073; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:33:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J8WsR17958 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:32:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-136.frys.com [66.121.20.136]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0J8VEr13727 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:31:14 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020119003036.00a93cc0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sources for English mid 16th cent. non-nobles? In-Reply-To: <20020118.171041.-898563.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:33:41 -0800 Status: RO > If you >can find a large enough reproduction (I'm still looking for a really good >one) you will be able to see a wide variety of styles for both men and >women as well as some good documentation for Elizabethan kitchens! There's a big one in a book about Queen Elizabeth I and her courtiers (wish I could remember the name). But it's a two-page spread in colour. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 03:47:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05825 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 03:47:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0J9LIF04617; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:21:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J9L1R26903; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J9K4R26703 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:20:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-16-47.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.16.47]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADC96722; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:20:16 GMT Message-ID: <002f01c1a0cb$15e32ee0$2f104ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "LIST H costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] LARGE Glove sizing help Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:24:23 -0000 Status: RO .Is there anyone out there who has or know anyone with size 10, 11 or 12 hands ? I need some measurments for customers gloves & cannot find any Please email me if you can help at all Thanks Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 07:02:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06408 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:02:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JCaKF10604; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 05:36:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JCa0R16157; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 05:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0JCZFR16060 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 05:35:15 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20356 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2002 12:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO l0f3x9) (212.159.21.62) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2002 12:35:21 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c1a0e5$8e218180$03000004@l0f3x9> From: "Sally Ann Chandler" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1A0E5.8CF361C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [h-cost] Academic Dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:33:51 -0000 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1A0E5.8CF361C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone, Does anyone in the UK know where I can get a second hand academic gown = and mortarboard - graduate gown please. 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Does anyone in the UK know where I can = get a second hand academic gown and mortarboard - graduate gown please.
 
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Sally Ann
 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1A0E5.8CF361C0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 07:34:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06533 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:34:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JD8IF11780; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:08:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JD81R21738; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JD7tR21721 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:07:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-22-120.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.22.120]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACU59889; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:08:09 GMT Message-ID: <003701c1a0ea$ea595900$78164ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <000a01c1a0e5$8e218180$03000004@l0f3x9> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Academic Dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:12:14 -0000 Status: RO >Does anyone in the UK know where I can get a second hand academic gown and mortarboard - graduate gown please. Try asking at a university, most people hire them & the hirers might be willing to sell Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 07:54:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06578 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:54:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JDSIF12463; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:28:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JDS1R25200; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepZ.post.tele.dk (fepz.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JDR5R25015 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:27:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.191]) by fepZ.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020119132720.HTMC395.fepZ.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:27:20 +0100 Message-ID: <3C49743A.8050406@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up costumes References: <3C46FF0D.7080507@post12.tele.dk> <00f701c1a0c0$e0fe1f00$18274ed5@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:27:22 +0100 Status: RO Dear Melanie This is wonderfull. Do you have some information to give me about them? Thanks for your help! Bjarne Melanie Wilson wrote: >>Then i need to find some porcelain doll heads and arms i could use for >> >this, but real grown up dolls, not child or baby heads. Anybody know of >a good online source for this? > >Please contact me direct Leif, I have a friend who is doing very fine dolls, >reproductions of historial ones here in England > >Mel MelanieWilson@bigfoot.com) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 08:02:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06624 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:02:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JDaIF12672; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:36:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JDa1R26537; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JDZKR26429 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:35:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-22-120.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.22.120]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACU60497; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:35:35 GMT Message-ID: <007f01c1a0ee$bec18a20$78164ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3C46FF0D.7080507@post12.tele.dk> <00f701c1a0c0$e0fe1f00$18274ed5@pavilion> <3C49743A.8050406@post12.tele.dk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up costumes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:39:39 -0000 Status: RO >This is wonderfull. Do you have some information to give me about them? Thanks for your help! I will get some photos & information to you and send it direct. I tried before but my mail didn't get through, can you email me you address ? Thanks Mel MelanieWilson@bigfoot.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 08:31:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06748 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:31:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JE5IF13768; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:05:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JE51R01998; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0JE41R01845 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 28184 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2002 14:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.236.180) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2002 14:04:17 -0000 Message-ID: <3C497D23.7F4A33EE@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sources for English mid 16th cent. non-nobles? References: <4.1.20020119003036.00a93cc0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:05:23 -0600 Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > > If you > >can find a large enough reproduction (I'm still looking for a really good > >one) you will be able to see a wide variety of styles for both men and > >women as well as some good documentation for Elizabethan kitchens! > > There's a big one in a book about Queen Elizabeth I and her courtiers (wish > I could remember the name). But it's a two-page spread in colour. There's a 1 1/2 page color version of part of it on p. 146-47 of _The Horizon Book of the Elizabethan World_ by the editors of Horizon Magazine; author Lacey Baldwin Smith. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 08:44:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06813 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:44:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JEIJF14488; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:18:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JEI1R04755; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JEHSR04649 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:17:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 4.e5.1268532d (25914); Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:17:31 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: To: carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu, carolingia_fencing@apocalypse.org, h-costume@net.indra.com, roberthuff@rcn.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Not dead, just sick. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:17:30 EST Status: RO Hi Everyone, This is the first I've logged on in 2 weeks, sorry. People are beginning to call, asking if I'm alright. Well, the truth is no. I've been propped up in bed with pneumonia since Twelfth Night, and since I'm asthmatic I'm on hospital standby. Doc gave me new meds yesterday, but it looks like it'll be another week before I begin to recover -- best case scenario. Anyway, you can expect to miss me at the Scribal Symposium, fencing, on these lists, etc for at least that long. I just wanted to let everyone know that my not returning e-mails the last 2 weeks should NOT be taken to mean that I didn't want to talk to you. The computer room was just too far away. I hope in the next few days to catch up on correspondence (288 e-mails according to AOL, and very little of it spam). I have business with some of you that has gotten messed up from all this -- garb sewing, the TV I was selling, etc. I greatly apologize and promise to get caught up as soon as possible. I'll try to contact people individually about that stuff over the next few days. It'll have to be by e-mail, though, since I have no voice. (Yeah, I can hear the "Lucky for Ted" jokes already...) Anyway, I miss you all! Gillian Tedcastle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 09:39:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07059 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:39:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JFDJF17300; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:13:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JFD1R15463; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.107]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JFCeR15382 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:12:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([68.55.178.225]) by femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020119151255.NJSC3699.femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:12:55 -0800 Message-ID: <3C498CF0.9B3B8EC9@home.com> From: Liz / Cozit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200201191337.g0JDb9R26727@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: Sources for English early to mid 16th cent. non-nobles? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@home.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:12:48 -0500 Status: RO I'm actually interested in all from Henry VIII's to Elizabeth's reign. More curious about the earlier part of the century, because I can't recall ever seeing pictures of anyone who didn't have a lot of money/land from that period... but I'm also quite interested in the Eliz. period common folk as well.... especially as I haven't the foggiest what period the faire's going to do this coming year (researching possible characters... and hoping not to be lower gentry again this year... even though I actually have fun with the hoops :-) Thanks for all the links so far! Of course, at least one of them provided another link that got me distracted for about an hour last night, but that's always fun, too... given that I had the time at the time :-) -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 12:47:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07991 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:47:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JILQF00949; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:21:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JIL1R28659; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JIKpR28624 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:20:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.193.18] (as-5-32.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.18]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0JIL7I13776 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:21:07 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200201160002.TAA25906@saltmine.radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114185937.04a0ba78@mail.bmee.net> <3C43667F.2020509@tds.net> <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] 13th Century Highland questions... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:46:00 -0800 Status: RO At 2:09 PM -0500 1/18/02, Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: >Did you see the link on my page to the Rogart Shirt? I think Marc Carlson >has a page up on that, too. It's an actual early medieval Irish garment. ^^^^^ Scottish (But I figure from context that was what you meant to say.) I don't believe it was from the highlands, though. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 12:48:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08001 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:48:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JIMtF01087; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:22:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JIMZR29022; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:22:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JIKsR28638 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:20:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.193.18] (as-5-32.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.18]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0JIL9I13805 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:21:10 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C48A837.631166B7@home.com> References: <200201182234.g0IMY3R22837@net.indra.com> <3C48A837.631166B7@home.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sources for English mid 16th cent. non-nobles? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:20:56 -0800 Status: RO At 5:56 PM -0500 1/18/02, Liz / Cozit wrote: >Changing social classes that I usually look at, I'm starting to look >for sources for what a tenant farmer's wife (any level... from those >at the top who'd likely have a few servants, down to those who >*might* only have the one dress at a time) might wear... in England, >within 50 miles of London, during the mid 1500s. > >Thinking about it logically, I'd guess that a well off family might >be dressed similarly to nobility... in style, but not in fabric and >color choices. ... but what the "next" level down, where the wife >might help in the fields or with animals occasionally, rather than >"just" within the house and kitchen gardens.... who *might* have one >girl to help out, I'm having trouble figuring out. Either way, I'm >also guessing that the bumroll might cover both those levels, but no >lower along the scale. And for those who would likely get their >next outfit as the last one was on it's last many turned legs, I >haven't a clue what style they would choose to cut the fabric. > >I either have glossed over, or haven't seen many paintings with >"villagers" in them, at a size where you could have even an educated >guess at what the dress actually looked like. > >Can anyone point me in a good starting direction? (or even a so so one?) One source you might find very useful would be wills -- the general range of goods listed would give you a notion of the economic status of the individual, and middle-class wills often list ordinary clothing fairly extensively. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 13:59:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08558 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:59:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JJXQF06659; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:33:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JJX4R18132; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:33:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0JJW4R17832 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:32:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 26971 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2002 19:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO l0f3x9) (212.159.20.150) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2002 19:32:11 -0000 Message-ID: <000d01c1a11f$c9146660$03000004@l0f3x9> From: "Sally Ann Chandler" To: References: <000a01c1a0e5$8e218180$03000004@l0f3x9> <003701c1a0ea$ea595900$78164ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Academic Dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:30:40 -0000 Status: RO There are two organisations, as far as I know, who hire and they are not forthcoming. I work in a University so this was my first try but to no avail, I'm afraid. SA ----- Original Message ----- From: Melanie Wilson To: Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Academic Dress > >Does anyone in the UK know where I can get a second hand academic gown and > mortarboard - graduate gown please. > > Try asking at a university, most people hire them & the hirers might be > willing to sell > > Mel > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 14:06:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08596 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:06:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JJeKF07241; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:40:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JJe1R19952; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JJdKR19798 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:39:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQ7ALY00.E3E for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:39:34 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busk Question Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:35:45 -0800 Status: RO -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Kevin + Mara Riley > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 11:39 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busk Question > > > At 11:01 AM 01/16/2002 -0500, you wrote: > (snip) > >On a similar note-My husband mundanely works for a swordsmith, my hubbys > boss > >is (finally) seriously thinking of adding a busk dagger to his ilne of > >weapons. This after my nagging him for 3 years. The questions I have > >are-would you as re-enactors/recreationists be interested in owning a busk > >dagger, what price range would the corsetiers on list be willing to pay, > what > >would you look for in one (size range, materials for the sheathe, length of > >actual dagger, would a dagger be best or would a stilletto be preferrred > >etc). Please let me know either on or off list. > >In Service, > >Lady G > > Isn't the "cleavage dagger" somewhat of a RennFaire invention? > > -- Mara Yes! It took a while but I think we finally eradicated it at our big faire (RPFS). I sort of hoped it had disappeared altogether. Oh well. MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 14:39:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08858 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:39:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JKDpF09455; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:13:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JKD3R28651; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JKCcR28537 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:12:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQ7C5J00.A4H for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:12:55 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Re: Sources for English early to mid 16th cent. non-nobles? Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3C498CF0.9B3B8EC9@home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:09:06 -0800 Status: RO For general Elizabethan details, don't forget my site! :-) http://ren.dm.net Good links too. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Liz / Cozit > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 7:13 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: Sources for English early to mid 16th cent. > non-nobles? > > > I'm actually interested in all from Henry VIII's to Elizabeth's > reign. More curious > about the earlier part of the century, because I can't recall ever > seeing pictures > of anyone who didn't have a lot of money/land from that period... but > I'm also quite > interested in the Eliz. period common folk as well.... especially as _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 14:55:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08926 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:55:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JKSNF10782; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:28:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JKS1R03197; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JKRKR02980 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:27:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-33qtn1m.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.220.54]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16S25P-0003kc-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:27:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000701c19ff4$ba6fa4c0$792595c3@x5d9i6> References: <000701c19ff4$ba6fa4c0$792595c3@x5d9i6> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dorothy Dodderidge's Tomb Effigy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:27:29 -0800 Status: RO Amazing, isn't she? There's a picture of both Dorothy's and her husband's tombs at: http://www.exeter-cathedral.org.uk/Tour/Tour16.html And a fairly good close-up of Dorothy at: http://www.exeter-cathedral.org.uk/Gallery/Others/T15.html You can buy a photo card of this picture through the Cathedral Shop at: http://www.exeter-cathedral.org.uk/Shop/Collectors.html There is also a booklet that is likely to have more information, available at http://www.exeter-cathedral.org.uk/Shop/Books.html: >Exeter Cathedral Tombs and Monuments Trail >A guide to the more notable of Exeter's many monuments, complete >with plan of the cathedral. Price: 60p ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At 7:49 AM +0000 1/18/02, Linda Walton wrote: >Yesterday I bought an old tourist guide to Devonshire (U.K.), and found this >description. > >"Dorothy Dodderidge, nee Bampfield, 1582-1614. >Dorothy, the wife of John Dodderidge, Solicitor General and Judge in the >reign of James I, died in childbirth. Little is known of her personally, >but a visit to her tomb on the north side of the Lady Chapel in Exeter >Cathedral is well worthwhile. The effigy shows her lying sideways, resting >on her right elbow and looking rather uncomfortable, but it is her clothes >that deserve close inspection. Dorothy wears an interesting head-dress, a >ruff and a beautiful flower-patterned dress, which has a lace collar and >cuffs." > >Now, this is clean outside any period I've ever been interested in before, >but somehow these words and the tiny, poorly reproduced black-and-white >photograph have captured my imagination. Does anyone know where I can find >more information, and preferably some good photographs? -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 15:37:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09162 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:37:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JLBRF14247; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:11:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JLB0R15315; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f189.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.189]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JLAYR15228 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:10:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:10:47 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.240 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:10:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.240] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] desperately seeking pattern Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2002 21:10:47.0177 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3AFE790:01C1A12D] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:10:46 -0800 Status: RO >This is one of the Renaissance wench-ish patterns, right? You might want >to >try Ebay. There's at least one seller who seems to have bought them up by >the hundreds and lists them constantly. > >Margo > > No, this is a Jessica McKlintock formal/eveningwear pattern. Its a bodice with a slightly rounded (not pointed)front and the shoulder straps are set far enough out that I don't have to alter them to attach the angelwing sleeves the girls want. I'm lacing instead of zipping so they can still breath and sing during those monthly "larger" times. I just thought it was the best design for flattering all of the different shapes of girls without singling out any one in particular. Softer lines and less of a front to flip up on the large ones. AAACCCKKK!! What am I? Crazy?? Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 15:58:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09266 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:58:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JLWNF15914; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:32:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JLW1R21317; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f9.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JLVAR21043 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:31:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:31:23 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.240 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:31:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.240] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up costumes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2002 21:31:23.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[A454FD60:01C1A130] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:31:22 -0800 Status: RO My mother-in-law made dolls for a while and she bought a mold to make her own parts. I don't remember exactly what she made them from, but she can be reached at marlenedg@earthlink.net . She made fabulous dolls and I'm sure would be happy to share her knowledge. Jennifer PS. Just tell her Jen sent you. ;) >From: Leif Drews >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] giving up costumes >Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:42:53 +0100 > >Hello all! >I am overwhelmed by your kind conserns about my situation. It is so kind >of you all to write all those good thoaghts MANY THANKS :-) >Well i wont give up doing it, it is just i wont do it cheap for others >anymore! I know that there will be much less to do this way, but then i >have thoaght that i would start to make historical fashion dolls. Give >the costumes real miniature lace and embroidery and then try to sell it >on ebay. >Another thing i could do is making lace hankerchiefs and sell them on >ebay. Tere i can put a minimum bit to it and be sure to get a reasonable >price. >Then i need to find some porcelain doll heads and arms i could use for >this, but real grown up dolls, not child or baby heads. Anybody know of >a good online source for this? >Thankyou so much for you all for the kind words! Blushing :-) > >Bjarne > >Leif Drews >Åboulevard 5, 3 th >1635 København V > >Bjarne Drews >Åboulevard 5,3.th >1635 København V > >tlf. 35 37 13 70 > >My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > >Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 16:22:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09409 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:22:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JLuMF17631; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:56:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JLu1R29373; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JLtWR29237 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:55:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020119215544.QBMF26243.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:55:44 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busk Question Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c4bea0a.1617349315@mail.attbi.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0JLtWR29237 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:53:58 GMT Status: RO On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:35:45 -0800, the following was written in this electric book by "Maggie Secara" : > > >Yes! It took a while but I think we finally eradicated it at our big faire >(RPFS). I sort of hoped it had disappeared altogether. Oh well. > Actually, I think that they really *did* exist, but not as dagger-shaped things, adn certainly not as a common item. ISTR (no idea which book, though, sadly, though I think it was in one of my ex's arms and armour books) seeing a photograph of a busk that *contained* a secret short (very short) dagger, in the same manner that swordcanes contain swords. IIRC it was supposed to date to the mid 17th century. Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 16:30:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09475 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:30:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JM4PF18186; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:04:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JM42R02438; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:04:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JM2xR02051 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.131.76f2432 (3996) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:03:07 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <131.76f2432.297b471a@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_131.76f2432.297b471a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Subject: [h-cost] Dolls - was giving up costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:03:06 EST Status: RO --part1_131.76f2432.297b471a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I get a lot of my bear parts from CR's crafts. 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--part1_131.76f2432.297b471a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 16:58:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09640 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:58:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JMWOF20430; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:32:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JMW2R11864; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JMVoR11805 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:31:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-40-62.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.40.62]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACU75964; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:32:05 GMT Message-ID: <007601c1a139$b2e144c0$3e284ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <000a01c1a0e5$8e218180$03000004@l0f3x9> <003701c1a0ea$ea595900$78164ed5@pavilion> <000d01c1a11f$c9146660$03000004@l0f3x9> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Academic Dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:36:11 -0000 Status: RO It that case I'm not sure, what is it for, ie long term or a one off ? Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 17:16:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09722 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:16:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JMoMF21913; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:50:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JMo1R18043; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JMnHR17781 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:49:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQ7JEM00.77F for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:49:34 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busk Question Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3c4bea0a.1617349315@mail.attbi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:45:37 -0800 Status: RO Mid-17th is a little late for an Elizabethan faire :) Plus, the people most likely to be found with the things at Faire seemed to be the noble ladies. All very bizarre, especially since the dagger tends to throw off the line of the bodice. I had one lady looping up her pearls on the exposed hilt. Charming. It was a trend. I even wore one myself for a while! (a long long time ago, believe me) But then you learn more and it begins to dawn that you're doing this because others are, but come to think of it, it doesn't seem to be documentable. Not for Elizabethan court ladies, certainly. And if you care about such things, the charm wears off pretty quick. I still have the knife. A very nice piece by Jody Samson, custom made for me. Oh well. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of chimericalgirl@attbi.com > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 1:54 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busk Question > > > On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:35:45 -0800, the following was written in this > electric book by "Maggie Secara" : > > > > > > >Yes! It took a while but I think we finally eradicated it at our big faire > >(RPFS). I sort of hoped it had disappeared altogether. Oh well. > > > > Actually, I think that they really *did* exist, but not as > dagger-shaped things, adn certainly not as a common item. ISTR (no > idea which book, though, sadly, though I think it was in one of my > ex's arms and armour books) seeing a photograph of a busk that > *contained* a secret short (very short) dagger, in the same manner > that swordcanes contain swords. IIRC it was supposed to date to the > mid 17th century. > > Maura > ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- > "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either > hand..." - the Flash Girls > }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 18:09:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10079 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:09:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0JNhPF26000; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:43:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JNh3R03028; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0JNg0R02791 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12889 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:57:56 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:57:56 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Well, I just had a weird experience. I was dyeing some wool, and I threw in a hunk of silk as well. This was a four-yard piece, strong suit weight, herringbone weave, in a pale yellow. I had test-dyed a swatch and knew it would take the dye. Before that I had burn-tested it, and there's no doubt it's the 100 percent silk it was labeled as being. (Linda, this is the same stuff I sold you.) During the course of the hot-water wash and dye bath, the silk *fulled*. There is no other word for it. It thickened, and the surface texture is now that of a heavy brushed cotton or a suedecloth -- it feels almost like a short-napped velvet. The herringbone weave, formerly very prominent, is now barely distinguishable, and only if you know what to look for. It is wonderfully heavy and drapes beautifully. The only problem: it shrank from almost four yards to 3 1/3. I didn't know silk could shrink, but all that fulled thickness had to come from somewhere! At four yards, I could have made a sleeveless 13th-century overtunic or a 12th-century close-fitting underdress. At 3 1/3 yards, I can do neither. (It's now about 42 inches wide.) I will find *something* to do with it eventually, though it may end up going to someone shorter than me. On the plus side, I have eight more yards I haven't touched. Even with shrinkage, that could turn into enough heavy silk for a 14th or 15th c. overgown. Oh, wow... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 18:33:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10332 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:33:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0K07MF27511; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:07:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0K071R08942; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0K06tR08904 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:06:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.132.7a97ad9 (4231) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:07:04 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <132.7a97ad9.297b6427@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busk Question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:07:03 EST Status: RO In a message dated 19/1/02 4:51:35 PM, maggiros@adelphia.net writes: << especially since the dagger tends to throw off the line of the bodice. >> Exactly my point. Busc daggers were worn in the busc casing of the corset, not slipped between the boobage. Worn properly they are part of the corset and add to the line of the bodice rather than poking out. Wearing them the way they are worn at faire makes wearing a concealed weapon [which is what they are supposed to be] a moot point anyway. They seem to be worn with the attitude of "Look at my dagger while you're admiring my 'clams on the beach'". Terribly silly at best. >>Mid-17th is a little late for an Elizabethan faire :)<< Most late period Recreationists go to 1650ish, which would make it period for them if not for rennies. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 20:03:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10939 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:03:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0K1bNF03205; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:37:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0K1b1R02602; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0K1a1R02367 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00265 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p19.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.147]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA24816 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:36:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirstie and Simon In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20020117231839.006f7f08@mail.verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:31:34 -0500 Status: RO At 06:18 PM 01/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: > Kirstie stuff is all great. Most of the knit caps used at Jamestowne >settlement were supplied by her, as well as a few scotch bonnets worn where >I work. Apparently she is charging Americans a "pain in the but" charge due >to some unfortunate thefts (according to one of her customers and >acquaintances that I know not per her words directly). For any considering >it her work is excellent, the wool is usually vegetable dyed and she does >several different designs. The caps seem to average just under $100 and >apparently there is a year backlog presently. Having made several Scots bonnets from fleece to finished product, I'd say that $100 is actually a bargain. I got bored with them after making the third one, and have sworn never to knit another :D That's another problem with getting into the business of making clothes for other people: production work. If you're making the same thing over and over, it gets boring very quickly. One-off projects are much more interesting -- and time-consuming, because you're figuring things out as you go along. Not my cup o' tea! -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 20:26:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11045 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:26:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0K20MF04764; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:00:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0K202R08532; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0K1xpR08471 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:59:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2243.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.243]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20026 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:00:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3C4A23F7.8859DDA5@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Glass beads used as buttons? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:57:12 -0500 Status: RO Hi. I am not thinking pre 1600 here, but there are extant ones that were excavated in Maryland, circa 1640s (actual glass buttons, that is, not beads used that way). I have a copy of one on my hat, similar to a painting of a Thirty Years War soldier that I have seen (it is black with a metal shank). No doubt they were using them earlier, but I'm curious about documentation myself. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 22:54:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11648 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:54:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0K4HMF14183; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:17:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0K4H0R13516; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0K4GNR13400 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:16:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2cust33.tnt7.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.194.109.33] helo=earthlink.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16S9PN-0006Os-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:16:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4A44C0.4010509@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:17:04 -0500 Status: RO Well, that's interesting... How did you dye it? Machine? And it still drapes well? What dye? Do you think there might have been a chemical reaction, together with heat and agitation? Sounds as if it was a dense weave to begin with, am I right? It sounds very attractive. Though surprising! Thanks for telling us about it. Anne Robin Netherton wrote: >Well, I just had a weird experience. > >I was dyeing some wool, and I threw in a hunk of silk as well. This was a >four-yard piece, strong suit weight, herringbone weave, in a pale yellow. >I had test-dyed a swatch and knew it would take the dye. Before that I had >burn-tested it, and there's no doubt it's the 100 percent silk it was >labeled as being. (Linda, this is the same stuff I sold you.) > >During the course of the hot-water wash and dye bath, the silk *fulled*. >There is no other word for it. It thickened, and the surface texture is >now that of a heavy brushed cotton or a suedecloth -- it feels almost like >a short-napped velvet. The herringbone weave, formerly very prominent, is >now barely distinguishable, and only if you know what to look for. It is >wonderfully heavy and drapes beautifully. > >The only problem: it shrank from almost four yards to 3 1/3. I didn't know >silk could shrink, but all that fulled thickness had to come from >somewhere! At four yards, I could have made a sleeveless 13th-century >overtunic or a 12th-century close-fitting underdress. At 3 1/3 yards, I >can do neither. (It's now about 42 inches wide.) > >I will find *something* to do with it eventually, though it may end up >going to someone shorter than me. > >On the plus side, I have eight more yards I haven't touched. Even with >shrinkage, that could turn into enough heavy silk for a 14th or 15th c. >overgown. Oh, wow... > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 19 23:19:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11751 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:19:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0K4rPF16523; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:53:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0K4r1R20240; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:53:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0K4qJR20129 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:52:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m176.in-tch.com [216.166.191.176]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0K4fFD04499 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:41:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C4A4E13.5B9451F0@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:56:51 -0700 Status: RO *sigh*....I think I've got a roaring good case of silk envy.....It sounds absolutely yummy..... --Sue (going back to combing through her fabric stashes to get rid of all of the Fabric Unsuitable and Inauthentic for Pre-17th Century Use [and blaming it all on Robin] ) Robin Netherton wrote: > On the plus side, I have eight more yards I haven't touched. Even with > shrinkage, that could turn into enough heavy silk for a 14th or 15th c. > overgown. Oh, wow... > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 00:33:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12151 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:33:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0K68MF21431; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:08:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0K680R04993; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0K67XR04921 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:07:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14553 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:23:31 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! In-Reply-To: <3C4A44C0.4010509@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:23:31 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, A F Murphy wrote: > How did you dye it? Machine? And it still drapes well? What dye? I will confess: I used Rit! In the washer! Agitating for an hour in hot water! In other words, I broke all the rules. But it worked. I always test-dye swatches first, as I've found not all Rit colors work on all fabrics. (To test: mix 1/2 tsp liquid dye with 1/2 cup boiling water in a glass Pyrex custard cup, and toss in a washed wet swatch and let soak.) This batch was mostly wool, and I tested six or seven colors first. Only the red ranges would "take" on this particular wool; the blues and greens did not. I used mostly Cardinal Red with a stray bottle of Scarlet; the wool started out taupe, and the result looks like a madder dye, a dark red with a brown undertone. I threw the silk in at the last minute (I'd already test-dyed it), because there was room in the washer. The silk came out a strong, deep red. Both the wool and the silk have some small irregularities in the dye, in the form of barely darker or lighter streaks, as happens when the stuff twists up in the washer (even though I kept untwisting and rearranging it), but the irregularities aren't really displeasing; they blend in with the overall texture. The wool fulled a little too, even though it was worsted, but I have found that worsted sometimes fuzzes/fulls a bit under harsh treatment, such as the long agitation in hot water involved in dyeing. I wouldn't use this for fancy high-nobility clothing, but it will make a very presentable basic medieval gown. > Do you think there might have been a chemical reaction, together with > heat and agitation? Sounds as if it was a dense weave to begin with, > am I right? Yes -- on the heavy side of suiting fabric, like a tweed but in silk, if you can imagine that. It still feels really silky, too, despite the weight. I think I've come up with something that's more like medieval silk than anything I've ever seen in a store. It makes me think of the heavy silks you sometimes see in museums as chair cushions or ecclesiastical robes. Or the scarlet silks you can see traces of riveted to armor! Oh, I misspoke -- I have even less of it than I thought. Only 2 3/4 yards. I think I know what I might do with it, but it's not a top priority project, so I'll wait a while. What it really wants to be is a man's short cotehardie or pourpoint -- strong, lots of integriety, but really luxurious. But I have no need to make men's clothing at this point, and no friends with such need, and I wouldn't waste it on a stranger. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 00:49:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12209 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:49:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0K6NVF22143; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:23:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0K6N0R07645; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from marvin.nildram.co.uk (marvin.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0K6MPR07545 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:22:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 15430 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 06:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO x5d9i6) (195.149.37.165) by marvin.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 20 Jan 2002 06:22:43 -0000 Message-ID: <002901c1a17a$d8502e60$a52595c3@x5d9i6> From: "Linda Walton" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Dorothy Dodderidge - Thank You Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 06:22:31 -0000 Status: RO Thank you for all the links to information on this lady. Now I'm even more fascinated - especially by her head-dress. How I long to be able to peer closely at her outfit, and to pop a mirror behind her head ! She must have been a stunner in life. Linda Walton. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 02:18:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12581 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 02:18:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0K7qQF26866; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:52:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0K7q1R25202; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0K7paR25038 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:51:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-18-11.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.18.11]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACU81195; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:51:53 GMT Message-ID: <004c01c1a187$e7cb45c0$0b124ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3C4A23F7.8859DDA5@dandy.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Glass beads used as buttons? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:56:01 -0000 Status: RO Why not make glass buttons the techniques are not so differant Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 06:45:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14131 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 06:45:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KCJQF11579; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 05:19:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KCJ0R25816; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 05:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KCIpR25784 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 05:18:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from cx181913a ([68.10.136.230]) by femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020120121912.EQBC3458.femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cx181913a> for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 04:19:12 -0800 Message-ID: <004d01c1a1ad$76e94de0$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> From: "Linda Rice" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:24:53 -0500 Status: RO Well, Robin, I'm sure glad that we found this out *before* I washed it!!! I love this fabric just as it is, and now I'm torn between making a Viking dress or experimenting to see if I can replicate your results. It sounds wonderful, and as you say, not at all something easily found at the store. I would love to know where we can get more of this! If I full it down, it won't be enough for a dress for me. I'm quite a bit taller and stouter than you, Robin. I bought some silk suiting from fabric.com earlier this year, a brown/cream herringbone. I did wash it, on cold, and put it in the gas dryer on hot. It did seem to shrink, the pattern was noticibly smaller, but it didn't get thick as you describe. The surface texture got very soft, and most people thought it was a wool or cotton blend. Almost no one believes that it is silk. (The viking style pants I made for my housemate have held up quite well, and have become his favorite.) I also noticed that the heavy wool that I got from you is extremely soft. Do you use a lot of fabric softeners, or perhaps you have a water softener at your house? My point being that maybe you have better water than I do here, which would account for a lot. We are on icky city water, which is heavy in chlorine. I don't drink it, but I have to wash with it. Linda Virginia Beach, Va. USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 7:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! I was dyeing some wool, and I threw in a hunk of silk as well. This was a four-yard piece, strong suit weight, herringbone weave, in a pale yellow. I had test-dyed a swatch and knew it would take the dye. Before that I had burn-tested it, and there's no doubt it's the 100 percent silk it was labeled as being. (Linda, this is the same stuff I sold you.) During the course of the hot-water wash and dye bath, the silk *fulled*. There is no other word for it. It thickened, and the surface texture is now that of a heavy brushed cotton or a suedecloth -- it feels almost like a short-napped velvet. The herringbone weave, formerly very prominent, is now barely distinguishable, and only if you know what to look for. It is wonderfully heavy and drapes beautifully. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 10:20:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19366 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:20:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KFqQF21892; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:52:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KFq1R04061; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KFpLR03958 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:51:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16445 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:07:23 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! In-Reply-To: <004d01c1a1ad$76e94de0$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:07:23 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Linda Rice wrote: > Well, Robin, I'm sure glad that we found this out *before* I washed > it!!! I'd guess that if you wash it in cold, with delicate handling, you won't have the effect I did. > I would love to know where we can get more of this! The outlet I got it from deals in leftovers from New York designers, particularly lots of wools and wool blends, linen blends, silks (mostly silk tie and blouse prints!), and mystery fabrics that are honestly labeled as such. (They're on the Web as Fashion Fabrics Outlet, but the Web side of the operation does not have the same merchandise as is in the open-to-the-public warehouse here in town.) I bought all of that particular silk except (1) what my friend got, (2) some dark taupe that didn't look really dyeable, but I might go back for anyway, and (3) a long piece that turned out to have flaws in the color (stripey sections) that probably would still be visible after dyeing. The manager checked the back room *and* the Web site stock; there is no more. > I bought some silk suiting from fabric.com earlier this year, a > brown/cream herringbone. I did wash it, on cold, and put it in the > gas dryer on hot. It did seem to shrink, the pattern was noticibly > smaller, but it didn't get thick as you describe. The surface texture > got very soft, and most people thought it was a wool or cotton blend. > Almost no one believes that it is silk. Does it still have that silky feeling when you touch it -- where the very fine fibers catch on the roughness of your skin? If not, I'd wonder myself whether it was really silk. > I also noticed that the heavy wool that I got from you is extremely > soft. Do you use a lot of fabric softeners, or perhaps you have a > water softener at your house? My point being that maybe you > have better water than I do here, which would account for a lot. I experimented with that one in the fulling, and at one point did use a fabric softener, but I do not normally, and the fabric was really soft to start with anyway. We do have good water, neither too soft nor too hard. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 11:35:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19696 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:35:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KH8TF27694; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:08:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KH81R20009; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0KH6xR19810 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 16086 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 17:07:19 -0000 Received: from tempest.sonic.net (208.201.224.25) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2002 17:07:19 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d243.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.243]) by tempest.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g0KH7I313474; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:07:18 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C4AF994.FE9093A4@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com, vintage@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Vintage clothing show web sites Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:08:36 -0800 Status: RO I put this list of links together for another list and thought more people might as well have it. Vintage clothing shows also usually take out ads in the local daily, plus regional antiques magazines/newspapers--the kind they leave out free at antique stores. Here are some links to show websites: The Maven Company, Inc. http://www.mavencompany.com/ NW Vintage Expo http://www.neens.com/page2.htm Stella Show Management Co http://www.antiqnet.com/Stella/ The Stratford Armory Vintage Clothing, Jewelry & Textiles Show & Sale http://vintagefashionandtextileshow.com/press.html Sturbridge Antique Textile & Vintage Clothing Extravaganza 2002 http://vintagefashionandtextileshow.com/press.html The Toronto Vintage Clothing and Textile 11thAnniversary Show & Sale http://www.shopyank.com/torontoantiques/vintage.html Victorian Elegance show http://www.victorianshow.com/VE_about.htm Vintage Fashion Expositions http://www.vintagesilhouettes.com/ve/ve.htm That's not all of them but it's what I could dig up quickly. Fran Grimble --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 11:35:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19700 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:35:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KHASF27858; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:10:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KHA1R20462; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:10:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KH8VR20135 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:08:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2cust55.tnt2.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.194.254.183] helo=earthlink.net) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16SLSe-0005Af-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:08:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4AF9BD.8070100@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:09:17 -0500 Status: RO This is really cool! People who never break the rules never make the discoveries... (Of course, they also don't risk messing something up. But some would think you had ruined this, because it shrank, and you know better!) I wonder if the agitation with the wool was also a factor? Rubbing against the other fabric? The hand sounds wonderful... I want to be there and touch it. Definitely make it into what it wants to be! Surely it has earned that right! *G* Can't force an independent minded bit of fabric into something else... Anne Robin Netherton wrote: > >I will confess: I used Rit! In the washer! Agitating for an hour in hot >water! In other words, I broke all the rules. But it worked. > > > > ... on the heavy side of suiting fabric, like a tweed but in silk, if >you can imagine that. > >It still feels really silky, too, despite the weight. I think I've come up >with something that's more like medieval silk than anything I've ever seen >in a store. It makes me think of the heavy silks you sometimes see in >museums as chair cushions or ecclesiastical robes. Or the scarlet silks >you can see traces of riveted to armor! > > What it really wants to be is a man's short >cotehardie or pourpoint -- strong, lots of integriety, but really >luxurious. But I have no need to make men's clothing at this point, and no >friends with such need, and I wouldn't waste it on a stranger. > >--Robin > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 11:52:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19826 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:52:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KHROF28911; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:27:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KHR0R24417; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KHQhR24353 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:26:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.156] (pm5-156.eos.net [205.133.149.156]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00583 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:23:01 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201182234.g0IMY2R22829@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] money for costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:20:13 -0500 Status: RO I am not defending people who are rude and who expect to get something for nothing. But let's not forget that not everyone has enough money to afford well-made custom costumes (or modern clothes, for that matter). I personally know several excellent historic clothes makers whose work I love but cannot afford -- not because I don't think it's worth it, but because I simply do not have money to pay for their work. Even my future savings is spoken for at the moment. I know that everyone knows this already, and that no one meant to say that people who won't pay for quality work are all awful. But I thought I'd put in a little reminder, because the tone of the posts is getting a little strident. We all love Bjarne, whether we've met him or not, and we think he deserves a king's ransom for his work. And many of us, it seems, have been burned by rude customers. But the fact that many people won't pay $100 for a knitted thrum hat (to use a recent example) does not mean that they're all cheap. That's a lot of money, and if you want one of those hats but don't have a spare $100, then you either save, try to make one yourself (if you can knit), fake it, or go without. None of those solutions is bad. Many of us on this list sew, not because we love sewing, but because we want costumes and can't afford to have other people make them for us. Just keeping the peace -- Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 12:12:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19931 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:12:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KHgSF29859; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:42:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KHg1R27666; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KHffR27609 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:41:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.103] (pm4-103.eos.net [205.133.149.103]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01983 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:37:59 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201200418.g0K4I6R13755@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: figgy pudding, British food Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:35:08 -0500 Status: RO My next-door neighbor used to make a Christmas pudding from a family recipe that came from England (where -- I believe -- pudding is a word that means "dessert" and not the custardy-thing we use it for). It was a very dense and wet kind of cake full of fruit and soaked in rum, with an extremely strong flavor. It was small, about 6 or 7 inches in circumference, molded to a shape (I think it was made in a mini Bundt pan), and you ate it by slices about 1/4 of an inch thick. I don't know if that's a "figgy pudding" but it was definitely a "pudding." I think it was the kind that can be set on fire for effect, but they gave us hunks and didn't do any pyrotechnics. I have been to England 3 times and I had very good food there each time, even in London. The London B&Bs I went to generally had cold breakfasts (hey, there's always Weetabix!), but outside of London we always had "full English breakfast" which mystified me by usually including tomatoes. We do not eat tomatoes in the US at breakfast, at least in the East and MidWest. (One of my trips was a summer school trip, where we stayed at Trinity College, Oxford, and ate at their Hall -- we had tomatoes every meal.) We had wonderful sandwiches from street vendors in London, lots of good Indian food, good meals at pubs and restaurants, great fish and chips, and great sandwiches and pasties from bakeries. If you are going to England, try all sorts of places. Ask for recommendations from your hotel, B&B, or the tourist bureau. If you are on a budget, stay at B&Bs and have lunch at bakeries. That will give you two cheap meals, anyway. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 12:33:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20081 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:33:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KI8PF01697; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:08:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KI81R03556; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KI7uR03531 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:07:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2cust55.tnt2.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.194.254.183] helo=earthlink.net) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16SMOA-0003OF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:08:18 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4B07A9.9000901@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:08:41 -0500 Status: RO But that's not what we are talking about, here. No, none of those solutions is bad. I don't have money for these things myself. (And if anyone can tell me how to make a Thrum cap, I'd be delighted! Or point me towards source material, so I can research it. But I'll do the actual work myself, if I decide I want one.) What you don't do is ask someone else to make it for you, at a price that comes down to about $1.00 an hour... or less. Or reach an agreement, then start adding things on. Or assume that the person should work for free, because she does this for fun. I've had all of these happen... not just in historic costume, either. And part of the problem is that most people truly have no idea how time consuming costuming is. They think they are asking for an afternoon's work, when it will take about a week. And, although they know they can't do it, they don't really think of sewing as skilled, because their grandmothers used to do it... (All kinds of Women's Work issues here! *G*) So, you surely don't earn what they do per hour, because you don't have their background and training. And surely this will take about three hours, not 15-20. And here we see our problem... Anne Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > That's a lot of money, and if you want one of those hats but don't >have a spare $100, then you either save, try to make one yourself (if you >can knit), fake it, or go without. None of those solutions is bad. > > >Just keeping the peace -- > > >Gail Finke > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 12:36:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20097 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:36:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KIBNF02003; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:11:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KIB0R04157; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KIAPR04027 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:10:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.17.21dc69fa (17527) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:10:38 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <17.21dc69fa.297c621d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: figgy pudding, British food To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17.21dc69fa.297c621d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:10:37 EST Status: RO --part1_17.21dc69fa.297c621d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds a lot like the plum pudding my family always has for Christmas. But ours isn't cooked in a mold. It is packed into cheese cloth and suspended in a steamer and steamed for hours. It ends up being pretty much of a round shape and is wonderful with a hard sauce made with confectioners sugar, butter and rum. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_17.21dc69fa.297c621d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Sounds a lot like the plum pudding my family always has for Christmas.  But ours isn't cooked in a mold.  It is packed into cheese cloth and suspended in a steamer and steamed for hours.  It ends up being pretty much of a round shape and is wonderful with a hard sauce made with confectioners sugar, butter and rum.  

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--part1_17.21dc69fa.297c621d_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 12:36:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20100 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:36:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KIAOF01909; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:10:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KIA0R03946; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KI9FR03829 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:09:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0KI9jr84675 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:09:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200201201809.g0KI9jr84675@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! In-Reply-To: <3C4A44C0.4010509@earthlink.net> "from A F Murphy at Jan 19, 2002 11:17:04 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:09:45 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I think perhaps the silk just got confused and thought it was wool, rather like a little kitten raised among puppies. :) .heather. > Well, that's interesting... > > How did you dye it? Machine? And it still drapes well? What dye? Do you > think there might have been a chemical reaction, together with heat and > agitation? Sounds as if it was a dense weave to begin with, am I right? > > It sounds very attractive. Though surprising! Thanks for telling us > about it. > > Anne > > Robin Netherton wrote: > > >Well, I just had a weird experience. > > > >I was dyeing some wool, and I threw in a hunk of silk as well. This was a > >four-yard piece, strong suit weight, herringbone weave, in a pale yellow. > >I had test-dyed a swatch and knew it would take the dye. Before that I had > >burn-tested it, and there's no doubt it's the 100 percent silk it was > >labeled as being. (Linda, this is the same stuff I sold you.) > > > >During the course of the hot-water wash and dye bath, the silk *fulled*. > >There is no other word for it. It thickened, and the surface texture is > >now that of a heavy brushed cotton or a suedecloth -- it feels almost like > >a short-napped velvet. The herringbone weave, formerly very prominent, is > >now barely distinguishable, and only if you know what to look for. It is > >wonderfully heavy and drapes beautifully. > > > >The only problem: it shrank from almost four yards to 3 1/3. I didn't know > >silk could shrink, but all that fulled thickness had to come from > >somewhere! At four yards, I could have made a sleeveless 13th-century > >overtunic or a 12th-century close-fitting underdress. At 3 1/3 yards, I > >can do neither. (It's now about 42 inches wide.) > > > >I will find *something* to do with it eventually, though it may end up > >going to someone shorter than me. > > > >On the plus side, I have eight more yards I haven't touched. Even with > >shrinkage, that could turn into enough heavy silk for a 14th or 15th c. > >overgown. Oh, wow... > > > >--Robin > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 12:40:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20138 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:40:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KIDPF02199; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:13:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KID1R04598; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KICFR04476 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:12:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.8a.12bbca92 (17527) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:12:26 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <8a.12bbca92.297c6289@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8a.12bbca92.297c6289_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:12:25 EST Status: RO --part1_8a.12bbca92.297c6289_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are absolutely right that a lot of us can not afford to spend a lot of money for costumes. But there are a lot of people who can afford to, but simply will not give up their money for something decent when they can get junk for less from a catalog. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_8a.12bbca92.297c6289_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      You are absolutely right that a lot of us can not afford to spend a lot of money for costumes.  But there are a lot of people who can afford to, but simply will not give up their money for something decent when they can get junk for less from a catalog.

Lalah
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--part1_8a.12bbca92.297c6289_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 12:40:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20152 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:40:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KIFQF02364; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:15:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KIF1R05061; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KIE8R04858 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:14:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([68.34.232.133]) by femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020120181430.GQXK23794.femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:14:30 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4B0934.8060006@home.com> From: Linda Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Large cup bras online? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:15:16 -0600 Status: RO Hello all, I have a friend that wanted to know if I can find a source for her daughter-in-law. She is pregnant and has a bra size of 36H, and is having no luck in finding bras in that size. Any ideas of any online companies that might go that high in cup size? I really do not want to sew bras for her if I can get around it. Thank you kindly Ooh had our first snow of the season yesterday... its beautiful. Linda T www.seams-to-be.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 12:42:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20162 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:42:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KIHOF02456; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:17:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KIH0R05425; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KIGdR05366 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:16:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.115.b2cda59 (17527) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:16:51 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <115.b2cda59.297c6392@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_115.b2cda59.297c6392_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:16:50 EST Status: RO --part1_115.b2cda59.297c6392_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/02 1:11:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, alice@wonderland.com writes: > rather like a little kitten raised among puppies. > Most kittens raised with puppies would soon teach them that they should behave like kittens. One kitten can easily train a half dozen pups (or one adult human). Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_115.b2cda59.297c6392_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/02 1:11:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, alice@wonderland.com writes:


rather like a little kitten raised among puppies.

      Most kittens raised with puppies would soon teach them that they should behave like kittens.  One kitten can easily train a half dozen pups (or one adult human).

Lalah
Never Give up, Never Surrender,
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--part1_115.b2cda59.297c6392_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 12:46:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20199 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:46:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KIKgF02672; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:20:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KIK4R06079; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:20:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20308.mail.yahoo.com (web20308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.89]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0KIJ3R05841 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:19:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020120181923.77684.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.30.46] by web20308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:19:23 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C4B07A9.9000901@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:19:23 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- A F Murphy wrote: Or assume > that the person should > work for free, because she does this for fun. This is indeed an issue that cuts across the arts in general. I wish I had a dollar for everytime I've heard some variation -- usually from a terribly earnest little old lady at church -- of "But, Dear...Your lovely voice is a gift from God. You shouldn't charge for sharing it." These same people would never dream of trying that same line on the plumber or the dry cleaner. And I sometimes do perform gratis for people who genuinely appreciate what I do but just can't afford it. That's very different from people with plenty of money who simply de-value my time & talent. Also, I try to limit free gigs, both musically and sewing-wise because I have lots of friends out there "in the trenches" struggling to make a living at their art. I feel I'm threatening their right to a livelihood if I do too much free stuff. just my 2 cents worth on an issue that I get touchy about!! :-) Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a sevant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 12:48:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20243 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:48:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KINQF02833; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:23:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KIN0R06690; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KIMhR06617 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:22:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0KINFe84859 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:23:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200201201823.g0KINFe84859@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Large cup bras online? In-Reply-To: <3C4B0934.8060006@home.com> "from Linda Thompson at Jan 20, 2002 12:15:16 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:23:15 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Why yes! Tell her to try inchant.com, they make custom sized bras, and have many in stock. Also I'd recommend herroom.com - they have a great comparison system for shopping online. Aviana bras, which you can locate with a google search, go up to a G cup, but it's a larger G cup, and are very comfy. For pregnancy I'd also recommend decentexposures.com - they make soft stretchy bras that are comfortable for gaining lots of weight, and you can go ahead and order them as nursing bras too. I'm around her size, and I use decent exposures for sleep bras - they are wonderfully comfortable and last forever. The favorite one I have now is ten years old and the only sign of wear it shows is that the black is somewhat faded - the stretch-iness has miraculously held up. I have dozens more bookmarked, but those are the ones I have personal experience with and recommend. :) .heather.meadows. > Hello all, > I have a friend that wanted to know if I can find a source for her > daughter-in-law. She is pregnant and has a bra size of 36H, and is > having no luck in finding bras in that size. Any ideas of any online > companies that might go that high in cup size? I really do not want to > sew bras for her if I can get around it. > Thank you kindly > > Ooh had our first snow of the season yesterday... its beautiful. > > Linda T > www.seams-to-be.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 12:49:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20249 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:49:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KIOOF02900; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:24:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KIO1R07033; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KINoR06873 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:23:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0KIONC84874 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:24:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200201201824.g0KIONC84874@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! In-Reply-To: <115.b2cda59.297c6392@aol.com> "from LalahTT@aol.com at Jan 20, 2002 01:16:50 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:24:23 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Well, one of ours is apparently pretty convinced he's a rottweiler - he just flops down on the floor next to the rotties and tries to steal their bones. It's pretty cute. .heather. > In a message dated 1/20/02 1:11:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, > alice@wonderland.com writes: > > > > rather like a little kitten raised among puppies. > > > Most kittens raised with puppies would soon teach them that they > should behave like kittens. One kitten can easily train a half dozen pups > (or one adult human). > > Lalah > Never Give up, Never Surrender, > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at > http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 12:52:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20272 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:52:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KIRPF03103; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:27:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KIR1R07663; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KIQiR07615 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:26:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.cd.11d877fc (4214) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:27:00 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd.11d877fc.297c65f4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:27:00 EST Status: RO --part1_cd.11d877fc.297c65f4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/2002 1:11:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, afmmurphy@earthlink.net writes: > And part of the problem is that most people truly have no idea how time > consuming costuming is. This is completely understandable considering they just run to the store and pull clothes off a rack...why not costumes?....and if they did any theatre in High School, they saw how it was thrown together. It's JUST a costume. But what is one supposed to think of the owner of the rental place across from the film studio here who wanted me to make for her mid-19th century gowns, with hoop, for $100....which she then rents for $150? --part1_cd.11d877fc.297c65f4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/2002 1:11:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, afmmurphy@earthlink.net writes:


And part of the problem is that most people truly have no idea how time
consuming costuming is.


This is completely understandable considering they just run to the store and pull clothes off a rack...why not costumes?....and if they did any theatre in High School, they saw how it was thrown together. It's JUST a costume.

But what is one supposed to think of the owner of the rental place across from the film studio here who wanted me to make for her mid-19th century gowns, with hoop, for $100....which she then rents for $150? --part1_cd.11d877fc.297c65f4_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 13:12:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20501 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:12:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KIlQF04678; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:47:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KIl1R12429; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KIksR12391 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:46:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from DarlaKDavis@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.c5.1cb2248e (3974) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:47:07 -0500 (EST) From: DarlaKDavis@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c5.1cb2248e.297c6aab_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10556 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:47:07 EST Status: RO --part1_c5.1cb2248e.297c6aab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/02 10:11:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, afmmurphy@earthlink.net writes: > And part of the problem is that most people truly have no idea how time > consuming costuming is. They think they are asking for an afternoon's > Even "friends" have this mentality. I'm contemplating telling one certain friend, the next time she asks me to sew for free, "ok, the woodwork on the front of my house needs painting. If I am doing something for you, you should be doing something for me." This gal is constantly thinking of new garb she wants, for herself and her husband, and expects me to sew for free. Another thing I HATE is people asking me to alter garb. Please save me from those who receive worn-out, second-hand garb and want me to make it fit, or fix it! Katrin --part1_c5.1cb2248e.297c6aab_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/02 10:11:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, afmmurphy@earthlink.net writes:


And part of the problem is that most people truly have no idea how time
consuming costuming is. They think they are asking for an afternoon's
work, when it will take about a week
Even "friends" have this mentality.  I'm contemplating telling one certain friend, the next time she asks me to sew for free, "ok, the woodwork on the front of my house needs painting.  If I am doing something for you, you should be doing something for me."  This gal is constantly thinking of new garb she wants, for herself and her husband, and expects me to sew for free.

Another thing I HATE is people asking me to alter garb.  Please save me from those who receive worn-out, second-hand garb and want me to make it fit, or fix it!

Katrin --part1_c5.1cb2248e.297c6aab_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 13:22:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20560 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:22:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KIuRF05347; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:56:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KIu1R14471; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KItoR14298 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:55:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p35.directcon.net [209.79.209.84]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA32048 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:54:54 -0800 Message-Id: <200201201854.KAA32048@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: [h-cost] Unpaned trunkhose Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:54:54 -0800 Status: RO Can anyone point me to an an example of Elizabethan period trunkhose, middle to upper class, which do NOT have a paned overlay? I don't mean Venetian breeches, which are full around the waist and tapered to knee length, but the full, puffy "shorts" which can be anywhere from crotch to just above the knee length. I've seen some paintings which might show plain gathered trunkhose, but they're too indistinct for me to be sure. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 13:27:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20583 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:27:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KJ2RF05770; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:02:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJ22R15818; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJ1kR15749 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:01:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p35.directcon.net [209.79.209.84]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA19008 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:00:51 -0800 Message-Id: <200201201900.LAA19008@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:00:51 -0800 Status: RO >Another thing I HATE is people asking me to alter garb. Please save me from >those who receive worn-out, second-hand garb and want me to make it fit, or >fix it! > Oh, God, mending! It seems like every man who hears I sew wants to bring me his jeans to patch. I don't have time to sew what I want to sew, why on earth would I spend it doing grunt work? (She says, looking pointedly at the jacket with broken zipper her husband has draped over the chair next to the computer. Take it to the dry cleaners that does repairs!) Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 13:29:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20592 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:29:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KJ3PF05892; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:03:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJ31R16030; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJ2mR15987 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:02:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.8a.12b99434 (4541) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:02:56 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <8a.12b99434.297c6e60@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Unpaned trunkhose To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:02:56 EST Status: RO Janet Arnold POF pp 88-92 there are 3 pair there and more on pp 74-78 with patterns and line drawings. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 13:29:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20606 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:29:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KJ4PF05957; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:04:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJ41R16255; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (dsl092-160-084.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.160.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJ3cR16200 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:03:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from gideonfamily.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05CE7F78 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:03:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4B149A.237C589A@gideonfamily.org> From: Andrea Gideon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Large cup bras online? References: <3C4B0934.8060006@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:03:54 -0500 Status: RO Have you tried the nursing wear catalogs? Most of them go pretty high. I am in my second trimester and wear a 40F and have gotten them from motherwear.com You can also try elizabethlee.com. They mainly carry patterns for nursing clothing, but also have bras. Andrea > Hello all, > I have a friend that wanted to know if I can find a source for her > daughter-in-law. She is pregnant and has a bra size of 36H, and is > having no luck in finding bras in that size. Any ideas of any online > companies that might go that high in cup size? I really do not want to > sew bras for her if I can get around it. > Thank you kindly > > Ooh had our first snow of the season yesterday... its beautiful. > > Linda T > www.seams-to-be.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 13:34:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20653 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:34:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KJ9OF06422; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:09:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJ90R17437; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJ8rR17412 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:08:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p35.directcon.net [209.79.209.84]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA05325 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:07:59 -0800 Message-Id: <200201201907.LAA05325@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Unpaned trunkhose Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:07:59 -0800 Status: RO I should have been more specific, I'm looking for mid-Elizabethan, around 1680's. The ones in Arnold are early 1600's. Margo At 02:02 PM 01/20/2002 EST, you wrote: >Janet Arnold POF pp 88-92 there are 3 pair there and more on pp 74-78 with >patterns and line drawings. >Lady G >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 13:35:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20667 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:35:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KJAPF06485; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:10:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJA0R17643; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJ9RR17531 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:09:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p35.directcon.net [209.79.209.84]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA06912 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:08:32 -0800 Message-Id: <200201201908.LAA06912@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Unpaned trunkhose OOPS Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:08:32 -0800 Status: RO That's 1580's, not 1680's. of course. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 13:38:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20726 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:38:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KJDQF06719; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:13:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJD1R18429; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJChR18345 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:12:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.167.770918e (17377) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:12:59 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <167.770918e.297c70ba@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Large cup bras online? an aside To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:12:58 EST Status: RO Sometimes e-mail postings arrive in interesting combinations. I got the "Large cup bras" posting from here and a spam subjected as "Golden Globes, who has them-who's getting them" at the same time. The juxtaposition was just tooo pat. Lady G on who's person nothing can be referred to as "golden" or "globular" SIGH! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 13:46:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20762 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:46:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KJLTF07481; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:21:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJL4R20512; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:21:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJKZR20370 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:20:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.199.15d221a (17377) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:20:43 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <199.15d221a.297c728b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Unpaned trunkhose To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:20:43 EST Status: RO Strictly Elizabethan England or would anywhere be okay? I think I've got a reference to them in the Low countries from that timeframe, but I'll have to dig thru a bit. Let me know. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 13:47:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20773 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:47:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KJMPF07597; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:22:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJM0R20847; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJLcR20761 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:21:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16SNXT-000C9Y-0K for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:21:59 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Academic Dress In-Reply-To: <000a01c1a0e5$8e218180$03000004@l0f3x9> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:17:29 +0000 Status: RO Sally Ann Chandler wrote >Hello everyone, > >Does anyone in the UK know where I can get a second hand academic gown and >mortarboard - graduate gown please. > >Many thanks, > >Sally Ann >medcc@medcc.free-online.co.uk If it's for costume, try your nearest G&S society - they might have them from Princess Ida -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 14:16:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20944 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:16:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KJpPF09743; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:51:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJp1R28084; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f100.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJoqR28054 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:50:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:51:09 -0800 Received: from 208.141.171.197 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:51:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.141.171.197] From: "Elizabeth Clark" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2002 19:51:09.0346 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE4A8020:01C1A1EB] Subject: [h-cost] Money For Sewing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:51:09 -0700 Status: RO I'd love to share a few VERY hard-won tips on the quandry of sewing for others: 1: You are not a bad, evil, or selfish person if you just say, politely, No. 2: You do not owe anyone a reason why not. If they press for a reason, the best response is, "I'm not able to at this time." 3: It is perfectly okay to tell people what you do NOT do: "You want me to adjust that 70's suit into a medieval monks robes? Oh, you'll want to find a specialist. I don't do alterations." 4: You are not a bad person if you just say NO. 5: Those who butter you up with the "gifts of God" schtick are wanting things for free. Those who truly need your services will voluteer barter, payments, and other recompense. 6: It is perfectly okay to stipulate the terms of a project exhange (ie: you paint my woodwork, and I'll work you project in over the next X months.) It's always easy for other people to develop new projects for us. It's our own responsibility to say Yea or Nay. Nay is a good word. ;-) Regards, Elizabeth http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 14:20:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20985 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:20:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KJtRF10033; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:55:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJt1R28931; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJssR28896 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:54:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.78.20d55a24 (4414) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:55:07 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: <78.20d55a24.297c7a9b@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_78.20d55a24.297c7a9b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10555 Subject: [h-cost] Victoria & Albert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:55:07 EST Status: RO --part1_78.20d55a24.297c7a9b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I watched part of this movie Saturday the 19th. During the dance scene I noticed the dance cards on the ladies wrists. Would the Queen really have used one? I was wondering about that. Thanks, Kelly m311@aol.com --part1_78.20d55a24.297c7a9b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I watched part of this movie Saturday the 19th.  During the dance scene I noticed the dance cards on the ladies wrists.  Would the Queen really have used one?  I was wondering about that.
Thanks,
Kelly
m311@aol.com --part1_78.20d55a24.297c7a9b_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 14:21:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20995 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:21:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KJuPF10089; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:56:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJu1R29193; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KJtnR29114 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:55:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.110.beb3874 (4596) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:56:02 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <110.beb3874.297c7ad1@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Money For Sewing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_110.beb3874.297c7ad1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:56:01 EST Status: RO --part1_110.beb3874.297c7ad1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That was very well said. I love the first rule. That is the hardest one for me. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_110.beb3874.297c7ad1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      That was very well said.  I love the first rule.  That is the hardest one for me.

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--part1_110.beb3874.297c7ad1_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 15:01:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21238 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:01:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KKaSF14576; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:36:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KKa1R08850; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KKZlR08784 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:35:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g0KKa78502347 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:36:07 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] kid skin for gloves Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:36:07 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Does anyone know of a source for real kid (young goat, not child) for glovemaking? And can anyone tell me how much I'd need, maximum, for a pair of gloves for unknown hands? The kid is being purchased, assuming I can find a source, as a prize for an SCA glovemaking competition. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 15:17:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21515 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:17:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KKoQF15753; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:50:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KKo1R12104; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KKnPR11941 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:49:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020120204942.GHZH10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:49:42 +0000 Message-ID: <03fb01c1a1f3$f380e480$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin for gloves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:49:18 -0600 Status: RO There are several sources, most are in Canada as those from India and the middle east in general have a shipping ban on this right now. I understand that the Leather Factory has finally listened to my repeated pleas for them to carry it and are now carrying it. :) A personal source for Etrofino leather (the finest kid you will ever find) that is in Dallas that has a connection with the Canadian leather place is our Local Equestrian guru. You can email her directly as I think she currently has three skins for sale. llechatton@hotmail.com, her name is Lisa LeChatton. She can get more but you all will have to discuss that with her personally. :) Sincerely, Franchesca Havas McKinney, Texas º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emma Elizabeth Lehman" <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] kid skin for gloves > > Does anyone know of a source for real kid (young goat, not child) for > glovemaking? And can anyone tell me how much I'd need, maximum, for a > pair of gloves for unknown hands? > > The kid is being purchased, assuming I can find a source, as a prize for > an SCA glovemaking competition. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 15:59:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21750 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:59:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0KLXdF19036; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:33:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KLX0R23230; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KLWXR23060 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:32:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([213.107.35.171]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020120213255.BFU8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:32:55 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: figgy pudding Message-ID: <3C4B378A.30939.1828134@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <200201200418.g0K4I6R13755@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:32:58 -0000 Status: RO Just been lurking for a few days, and spotted a subject I actually know a little bit about. Figgy Pudding. The "original": in Forme of Cury. http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/foc/FoC086small.html Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and there it is. Bears very little resemblance to the more modern Christmas pudding, but may well be what's referred to in the carol. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 18:49:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22527 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:49:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L0ORF02082; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:24:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L0O0R02759; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L0NhR02690 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:23:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQ9I2000.FA1 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:15:36 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: figgy pudding Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3C4B378A.30939.1828134@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:11:45 -0800 Status: RO Cindy Renfrow has redacted the recipe for figgy pudding--among many others-- in "Take A Thousand Eggs or More". If you're interested in period cookery, this is an absolutel must! (See http://www.thousandeggs.com/ to get it from the author directly.) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Jane Williams > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 1:33 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: figgy pudding > > > Just been lurking for a few days, and spotted a subject I actually > know a little > bit about. > > Figgy Pudding. The "original": in Forme of Cury. > > http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/foc/FoC086small.html > > Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and there it is. Bears very little > resemblance to the more modern Christmas pudding, but may well be what's > referred to in the carol. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 19:02:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22614 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:02:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L0aQF02907; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:36:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L0a1R05533; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (mail.vegetto-af.com [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L0ZHR05358 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:35:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AFD735B300F0; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:24:55 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020120183925.045a6b60@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach In-Reply-To: References: <200201160002.TAA25906@saltmine.radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114185937.04a0ba78@mail.bmee.net> <3C43667F.2020509@tds.net> <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Disapointment :-( Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:45:07 -0600 Status: RO Well, No one of y'all that attended 12th night in Chicago yesterday took the time to say hi... Somewhat disappointing... I don't bite... Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 19:17:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22666 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:17:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L0pQF04227; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:51:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L0p1R08771; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L0oVR08610 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:50:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from htackett ([208.170.84.25]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with SMTP id <20020121005054.HIYT658.chruser@htackett> for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:50:54 -0600 Message-ID: <009501c1a215$8cc024a0$1954aad0@tds.net> From: "Harold and Dinah Tackett" To: References: <3C4B0934.8060006@home.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Large cup bras online? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:49:56 -0500 Status: RO Try Lady Grace Bras, http://www.ladygrace.com/ . They have a couple of Nursing Bras in that size range. Dinah Tackett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Thompson" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 1:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] Large cup bras online? > Hello all, > I have a friend that wanted to know if I can find a source for her > daughter-in-law. She is pregnant and has a bra size of 36H, and is > having no luck in finding bras in that size. Any ideas of any online > companies that might go that high in cup size? I really do not want to > sew bras for her if I can get around it. > Thank you kindly > > Ooh had our first snow of the season yesterday... its beautiful. > > Linda T > www.seams-to-be.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 19:17:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22670 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:17:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L0psF04337; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:51:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L0pQR08888; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:51:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L0ogR08666 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:50:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.106.bd333fb (4552) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:50:54 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <106.bd333fb.297cbfee@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: figgy pudding, British food To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_106.bd333fb.297cbfee_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10032 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:50:54 EST Status: RO --part1_106.bd333fb.297cbfee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/02 1:11:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, LalahTT@aol.com writes: > Sounds a lot like the plum pudding my family always has for Christmas. But > ours isn't cooked in a mold. It is packed into cheese cloth and suspended > in a steamer and steamed for hours. It ends up being pretty much of a > round shape and is wonderful with a hard sauce made with confectioners > sugar, butter and rum. > Steamed puddings can be cooked in a mold or wrapped in fabric. Special pudding molds have lids, or you can improvise one with a can and foil for a lid. Ann Wass --part1_106.bd333fb.297cbfee_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/02 1:11:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, LalahTT@aol.com writes:


Sounds a lot like the plum pudding my family always has for Christmas.  But ours isn't cooked in a mold.  It is packed into cheese cloth and suspended in a steamer and steamed for hours.  It ends up being pretty much of a round shape and is wonderful with a hard sauce made with confectioners sugar, butter and rum.  


Steamed puddings can be cooked in a mold or wrapped in fabric.  Special pudding molds have lids, or you can improvise one with a can and foil for a lid.
Ann Wass --part1_106.bd333fb.297cbfee_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 19:25:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22711 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:25:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L0xRF04935; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:59:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L0x1R10577; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L0w0R10350 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:58:18 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E84@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] sillly corset tale MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:58:16 -0800 Status: RO They were my 11th thru 15th corsets. We designed the patterns right on the wearers. IMHO, the only way to do it. After you've done a few others, first! OK, we looked at a few real ones in museums & in vintage clothing dealer collections and a field trip to some vintage clothing dealers show in SF (where the bride lived). Maybe even looked at Norah Waugh's book. --cin > LOL! What pattern did you use for the corsets? > > -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 19:45:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22793 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:45:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L1KRF06678; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:20:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L1K1R15039; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L1JLR14903 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:19:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:18:44 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E85@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:19:34 -0800 Status: RO Wow, lot of variables. Do you know what kind of silk it was? The biggest differences will be whether it was from wild or cultivated worms, whether it was processed, and what kind of finishing. Any ideas? You'll need to have a guess or 2 at any chemicals added to the wool, too. Lots fo variables. Sounds like it might be hard to repeat the experiment without vast amounts of detail. How fun! --cin Cynthia in Tokyo having a chem lab flashback > Yes -- on the heavy side of suiting fabric, like a tweed but > in silk, if you can imagine that. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 19:54:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22838 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:54:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L1TSF07418; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:29:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L1T1R17057; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L1SDR16827 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:28:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19143 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:44:19 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E85@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:44:19 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Cynthia Barnes wrote: > Wow, lot of variables. Do you know what kind of silk it was? The biggest > differences will be whether it was from wild or cultivated worms, whether it > was processed, and what kind of finishing. Any ideas? You'll need to have > a guess or 2 at any chemicals added to the wool, too. Lots fo variables. > Sounds like it might be hard to repeat the experiment without vast amounts > of detail. No clue on the silk -- "designer remainder" is all the outlet is told, and they're lucky when they get a fiber content. It has a slight raw feel to it, but not many slubs. Beyond that, anyone's guess. The wool was men's suiting worsted, high-quality stuff, that had some finishing chemical on it that I hoped I'd eliminated by washing on hot before the dyeing process. I'll be dyeing the other silk eventually, without wool in the washer, and probably a different color. Even if it doesn't "full," I'll be happy with it, because it's good fabric and takes dye well. But I'd love to know how to replicate that fulling effect! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 20:03:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22888 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:03:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L1ZQF08031; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:35:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L1Z1R18864; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L1YwR18841 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:34:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:34:21 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E86@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] barter for costumes MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A21B.E0C8D780" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:35:16 -0800 Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A21B.E0C8D780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Do it. I do this all the time. "A hour for an hour" is my motto. I will not accept money as the IRS would suddenly decide that my tax deductible costumes & related tools are no longer deductible. (section 501c of the tax code. Generally says that volunteers at musuems, and other non-profits may deduct any uncompensated uniforms, classes, tools, travel, etc.) The IRS has not figured out how to tax barter. Thus I have traded a houppeland that you just saw for a year of cat-sitting, a pourpoint for some graphics source code, a Victorian evening gown for days & days of yardwork, an ensemble for a catered dinner party and many other deals. --cin in Tokyo I'm contemplating telling one certain friend, the next time she asks me to sew for free, "ok, the woodwork on the front of my house needs painting. If I am doing something for you, you should be doing something for me." This gal is constantly thinking of new garb she wants, for herself and her husband, and expects me to sew for free. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A21B.E0C8D780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
 
Do it.  I  do this all the time.  "A hour for an hour" is my motto.  I will not accept money as the IRS would suddenly decide that my tax deductible costumes & related tools are no longer deductible. (section 501c of the tax code.  Generally says that volunteers at musuems, and other non-profits may deduct any uncompensated uniforms, classes, tools, travel, etc.)  The IRS has not figured out how to tax barter.  Thus I have traded a houppeland that you just saw for a year of cat-sitting, a pourpoint for some graphics source code, a Victorian evening gown for days & days of yardwork, an ensemble for a catered dinner party and many other deals.

--cin in Tokyo

I'm contemplating telling one certain friend, the next time she asks me to sew for free, "ok, the woodwork on the front of my house needs painting.  If I am doing something for you, you should be doing something for me."  This gal is constantly thinking of new garb she wants, for herself and her husband, and expects me to sew for free.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A21B.E0C8D780-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 20:12:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22920 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:12:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L1lSF09044; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:47:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L1l1R25488; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L1kGR25008 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:46:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCgBiGo3hMfs77NeJ5I3NqPCWzCq+l16gag=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GRM2KFNF; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:45:22 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disapointment :-( Message-ID: <20020120.194818.-459941.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-8,10-31 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:48:17 -0600 Status: RO I beg to differ. I introduced myself to you while in the Feast Hall early in the afternoon and then spoke to you in the Pub during dinner. I was the one who offered to pay for you to dance on the table. You simply failed to notice that I was me! Karen On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:45:07 -0600 Gorgeous Muiredach writes: > Well, > > No one of y'all that attended 12th night in Chicago yesterday took > the time > to say hi... Somewhat disappointing... I don't bite... > > > > > > Gorgeous Muiredach > Rokkehealden Shire > Middle Kingdom > aka > Nicolas Steenhout > "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 20:13:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22925 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:13:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L1mSF09148; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:48:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L1m2R26081; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L1lUR25771 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:47:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03464 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p17.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.145]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA15145 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:47:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201210147.UAA15145@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! In-Reply-To: References: <3C4A44C0.4010509@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:43:05 -0500 Status: RO Ah... well, I was going to say that if you were doing later-period stuff, it's enough to make a lovely woman's jacket. Who knows... obviously the fabric isn't ripe yet and needs to age a bit more before it reveals its true purpose ;D -- Mara >Oh, I misspoke -- I have even less of it than I thought. Only 2 3/4 yards. >I think I know what I might do with it, but it's not a top priority >project, so I'll wait a while. What it really wants to be is a man's short >cotehardie or pourpoint -- strong, lots of integriety, but really >luxurious. But I have no need to make men's clothing at this point, and no >friends with such need, and I wouldn't waste it on a stranger. > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 20:17:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22943 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:17:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L1qQF09598; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:52:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L1q0R27317; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L1p2R27124 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id SAA15591 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:08:47 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201210208.SAA15591@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] decorative hair combs? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:08:47 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I'm ideally looking for horn, cellulose or bone combs. I know where to find metal and plastic ones. Failing that, does anyone have a source for _undecorated_ french twist combs (the big ones). I could always decorate my own, but I'd rather put the effort in on something that will last longer than an acrylic or lucite comb that will snap if it comes into contact with anything that contains alcohol (like hairspray). My hair is _almost_ long enough to start putting up again all the time. Probably by morris season, I'll need to put it up, to keep my hair out of my mouth and embrochure. [grin] It's just about long enough to start reminding me why I kept it short the last couple years, but I miss my braids and fancy hairtoys. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 20:27:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22971 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:27:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L20VF10193; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:00:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L202R29251; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L1xvR29215 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:59:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A3B47CBC00F8; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:49:40 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020120200228.04515a30@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disapointment :-( In-Reply-To: <20020120.194818.-459941.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:06:59 -0600 Status: RO At 07:48 PM 1/20/2002, you wrote: >I beg to differ. I introduced myself to you while in the Feast Hall early >in the afternoon and then spoke to you in the Pub during dinner. I was >the one who offered to pay for you to dance on the table. You simply >failed to notice that I was me! Oh! A thousand apologies... I sit corrected... I should have mentionned I'm the kind of guy that needs to have it spelled out... :-/ I didn't catch you say you were on the list, and you weren't wearing a BIG RED H... And I did nearly climb on that table to dance... Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 20:29:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22987 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:29:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L24QF10591; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:04:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L241R00259; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L23lR00180 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:03:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05364 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p17.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.145]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA16288 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:04:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201210204.VAA16288@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes In-Reply-To: References: <200201182234.g0IMY2R22829@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:59:23 -0500 Status: RO At 12:20 PM 01/20/2002 -0500, you wrote: >(snip) Many of >us on this list sew, not because we love sewing, but because we want >costumes and can't afford to have other people make them for us. > >Just keeping the peace -- > >Gail Finke Speaking for myself, I'm one of those dreadful people who goes to events, looks at the clothes the vendors are selling, then goes home and makes them myself because I can't bear to pay the prices being asked... but then, I can't bear to charge what my labor is worth either because I can't imagine paying those prices myself. So I guess I get the raw end of the deal both ways :D Which is why I sew for friends only, and on a barter basis. For example, the price of a jacket I recently made for a friend was a copy of Waugh's _Cut of Men's Clothes_, a handwoven blanket, and a pair of period shoes. Why is it that I can quantify my labor's worth in goods, but not money? I dunno. Seems more fair to me, somehow, yet I know that if I added up the price of all of those things and asked for the money instead, I'd get it. Maybe I just don't like charging my friends money, yet working a trade in objects is more acceptable. Anyway, Gail, I don't think anyone is trying to start a fight. Costumers have a right to complain about customers who _can_ afford to pay them well but don't, because they don't understand the value of the labor involved. And the rest of us who are too poor and/or cheap to pay those prices -- have learned to sew or barter to get what we want. As you said. Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 20:58:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23104 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:58:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L2XSF13008; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:33:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L2X1R07030; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.23]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L2WxR07020 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:32:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from kat.optonline.net (ool-18bbaa6a.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.170.106]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GQ9002NXOF6NM@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:33:08 -0500 (EST) From: Purple Kat Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! In-reply-to: <3C4A4E13.5B9451F0@in-tch.com> X-Sender: purplkat@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020120213153.00a921f0@mail.optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:33:40 -0500 Status: RO At 1/19/2002 11:56 PM, you wrote: >*sigh*....I think I've got a roaring good case of silk envy.....It >sounds absolutely yummy..... >--Sue (going back to combing through her fabric stashes to get rid of >all of the Fabric Unsuitable and Inauthentic for Pre-17th Century Use >[and blaming it all on Robin] ) Well, if you *really* can't find a use -- send it to me... In my mundane world I'm a scrap quilter. I have made quilts out of everything from leather, fiberglass, acetate, rayon and even double knit sweater material. Don't ask -- somehow I got suckered into one of those "Bet you can't" situations. Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 21:12:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23196 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:12:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L2kQF13899; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:46:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L2k0R10415; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L2jZR10332 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:45:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (morr0687.gti.net [208.216.122.87]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 3F983145AD8 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:41:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4B7FE9.56DFFAD7@gti.net> From: Deb Rand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victoria & Albert References: <78.20d55a24.297c7a9b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:41:45 -0500 Status: RO That dance was before she was Queen, wasn't it?
Lisa
I watched part of this movie Saturday the 19th.  During the dance scene I noticed the dance cards on the ladies wrists.  Would the Queen really have used one?  I was wondering about that.
_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 21:18:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23228 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:18:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L2pTF14295; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:51:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L2p1R11698; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L2oUR11612 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:50:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10685 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p9.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.137]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA19279 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:50:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0L2oUR11612 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:46:06 -0500 Status: RO At 01:47 PM 01/20/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > Even "friends" have this mentality.  I'm contemplating telling one certain > friend, the next time she asks me to sew for free, "ok, the woodwork on the > front of my house needs painting.  If I am doing something for you, you > should be doing something for me."  This gal is constantly thinking of new > garb she wants, for herself and her husband, and expects me to sew for free. Sounds like a good plan!  Except that she ought also to be doing your dishes, weeding the garden, doing laundry, cooking dinner... all the stuff that needs doing around your house all the while you're plying your needle for her.  Fair exchange of labor, right? > > Another thing I HATE is people asking me to alter garb.  Please save me from > those who receive worn-out, second-hand garb and want me to make it fit, or > fix it! > > Katrin Oh, yes, that's a nightmare.  A friend wanted me to see if a coat that someone made for him, years back, could be saved. It's early 18th c., but the damned thing doesn't have any buckram or interfacing in the front, so it hangs badly.  I told him we could cut it down to make a jacket... but unstitching the thing and inserting the proper materials would be a nightmare and not worth the time or money.  I'm just sad that he paid good money, to a professional seamstress (an 18th c. sutler, I don't know which one) to have it made, and she didn't do a proper job. Speaking of mending, I've been home sick since Wednesday with the flu. Am mostly better now, but spent the past four days in bed, reading and doing mending, because I was too cranky and restless to sleep. I intended to spend the long weekend getting to some of my own long-delayed costume projects, but, nope, haven't had the energy. At least I've knocked some of the little stuff off the list, like darning a sock and hemming a skirt etc., so they won't be there nagging at me! Forgive the crow over small accomplishments. I've just been so sick and irritable that I need to feel good about something. And I highly recommed Laurel Ulrich Thatcher's new book, "The Age of Homespun" -- she's the woman who wrote "The Midwife's Tale". Very readable, enjoyable and informative. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 21:35:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23314 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:35:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L3ARF15645; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:10:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L3A0R15799; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L39lR15747 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:09:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from kat.optonline.net (ool-18bbaa6a.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.170.106]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GQ900DCQQ50CJ@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:10:14 -0500 (EST) From: Purple Kat Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes In-reply-to: X-Sender: purplkat@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020120220451.00da3590@mail.optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:10:28 -0500 Status: RO > > Another thing I HATE is people asking me to alter garb. Please save me > from those who receive worn-out, second-hand garb and want me to make it > fit, or fix it! > > > > Katrin Katrin, I still remember the "barter" I did for a seamstress friend of mine. I cut out many of the simple items she was making [chemises, pants, shirts] and put the pieces into labeled bags for her. Then she helped me step by step to make my first dress. I did the work and she did the brain work. [now sew the sleeve into the arm hole, -- done -- now do the hem, etc] I also did a little serging, and other simple stuff for her to pay for the help & encouragement she gave me. This way both of us felt like we got something out of the exchange and no one was out any money/ time/ effort. Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 22:21:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23558 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:21:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L3tZF18788; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:55:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L3t2R25459; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:55:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L3sQR25342 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:54:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m52.in-tch.com [216.166.191.52]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0L3hQD06958 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:43:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C4B9208.4C1FC21A@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020120213153.00a921f0@mail.optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:59:04 -0700 Status: RO Oh, I can find a use for it, alright (sorry about not contributing to your interesting-sounding quilts, though ...they sound almost like collages). I've just made the decision (sort of a process rather than one single moment, and it's been "coming" for about a year now) to be more authentic in what I wear--kinda the next level up, I guess. I have a lot of fabric in my stash that's periodoid, rather than period, if you know what I mean. Nice stuff, all of it, but it's cotton twills, corduroys, etc. I want to concentrate on making clothing for my SCA stuff that's made of linens and wools, and silk when appropriate. And use appropriate trimmings and embroidery, instead of going for medievaloid. I make pretty good stuff as it is, but being on-line the last couple of years, and discovering things like Ben's classes in Anglo-Saxon clothing, and Drea's website, and Marc Carlson's marvelous stuff, and taking that workshop from Robin last summer, has given me a greater appreciation of just how nice it would be, to be authentic from top-to-toe. I'm even sewing things by hand ...quite an accomplishment for me, as I really *hate* plain-sewing by hand (although I love embroidery, so go figure ). The fabrics and trims I cull out will, most likely, be used to make nice, washable tunics and gowns for our "gold key" (clothing for newcomers and visitors, for the non-SCA folks out there). And of course I'm keeping my pink wool and linen, so that someday I can make that pink and orange outfit Teddy challenged me to do last year (still looking for orange wool of a weight good for a houpelande or surcoat, as the pink will be a fully lined Gothic Fitted Gown (tm). --Sue Purple Kat wrote: > > At 1/19/2002 11:56 PM, you wrote: > >*sigh*....I think I've got a roaring good case of silk envy.....It > >sounds absolutely yummy..... > >--Sue (going back to combing through her fabric stashes to get rid of > >all of the Fabric Unsuitable and Inauthentic for Pre-17th Century Use > >[and blaming it all on Robin] ) > > Well, if you *really* can't find a use -- send it to me... > > In my mundane world I'm a scrap quilter. I have made quilts out of > everything from leather, fiberglass, acetate, rayon and even double knit > sweater material. > > Don't ask -- somehow I got suckered into one of those "Bet you can't" > situations. > > Katheryne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 22:22:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23568 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:22:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L3vSF18966; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:57:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L3v1R25958; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L3uWR25875 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:56:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from DarlaKDavis@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.191.1614162 (4411) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:56:47 -0500 (EST) From: DarlaKDavis@aol.com Message-ID: <191.1614162.297ceb7f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 35 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:56:47 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/20/2002 7:11:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, purplkat@optonline.net writes: << This way both of us felt like we got something out of the exchange and no one was out any money/ time/ effort. Katheryne >> I have helped friends in a similar manner. However, this one particular person is not willing to learn to sew. She apparently sees it as no sacrifice or gift of my time and effort, if I come home from work and spend the evening sewing for her. I think she has other isssues... Katrin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 22:23:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23574 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:23:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L3wUF19099; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:58:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L3w2R26198; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:58:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L3vAR26005 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:57:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m52.in-tch.com [216.166.191.52]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0L3kBD07686 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:46:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C4B92AD.75406EB3@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disapointment :-( References: <200201160002.TAA25906@saltmine.radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114185937.04a0ba78@mail.bmee.net> <3C43667F.2020509@tds.net> <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020120183925.045a6b60@mail.bmee.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:01:49 -0700 Status: RO Well, heck....I sure woulda said "hi" if I'd been there....I'm just a looong way from Chicago at the moment . --Maire/Sue, who thinks she should check with a *certain lady* about the biting thing ;-) Gorgeous Muiredach wrote: > > Well, > > No one of y'all that attended 12th night in Chicago yesterday took the time > to say hi... Somewhat disappointing... I don't bite... > > > > Gorgeous Muiredach _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 22:56:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23681 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:56:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L4VRF21704; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:31:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L4V1R03982; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L4UmR03935 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:30:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.2d.171bbae8 (3972) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:31:04 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: <2d.171bbae8.297cf388@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2d.171bbae8.297cf388_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10555 Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #643 - 15 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:31:04 EST Status: RO --part1_2d.171bbae8.297cf388_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/02 10:00:41 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > That dance was before she was Queen, wasn't it? > No I believe it was after. It was when Albert was there to see her again after all those years. They kept saying she was queen. I only saw bits and pieces but I think I have this right. Sometime I will have to watch the whole thing. Kelly m311@aol.com --part1_2d.171bbae8.297cf388_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/02 10:00:41 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


That dance was before she was Queen, wasn't it?


No I believe it was after.  It was when Albert was there to see her again after all those years.  They kept saying she was queen.  I only saw bits and pieces but I think I have this right.
Sometime I will have to watch the whole thing.
Kelly
m311@aol.com --part1_2d.171bbae8.297cf388_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 20 23:20:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23779 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:20:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L4tTF23615; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:55:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L4t0R09053; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L4sRR08929 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:54:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC9B606900FA; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:44:11 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020120230106.01a60a58@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disapointment :-( In-Reply-To: <3C4B92AD.75406EB3@in-tch.com> References: <200201160002.TAA25906@saltmine.radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114185937.04a0ba78@mail.bmee.net> <3C43667F.2020509@tds.net> <010001c199b3$b5e405a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020120183925.045a6b60@mail.bmee.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:02:02 -0600 Status: RO At 10:01 PM 1/20/2002, you wrote: >Well, heck....I sure woulda said "hi" if I'd been there....I'm just a >looong way from Chicago at the moment . Well Maire dearest, I did say for *those who were there*... >--Maire/Sue, who thinks she should check with a *certain lady* about the >biting thing ;-) Don't listen to what she has to say about my biting... It's all lies :-) Besides... She asked for it... Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 00:56:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24181 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:55:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L6UTF29953; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:30:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L6U1R28553; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L6TKR28433 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:29:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p201.directcon.net [209.233.107.201]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA32539 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:28:27 -0800 Message-Id: <200201210628.WAA32539@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:28:27 -0800 Status: RO I suspect the "fulling" might be due to the herringbone weave rather than the fiber. I had some herringbone rayon suiting, and when I washed it I got a thick, spongy fabric with no visible herringbone. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 01:02:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24209 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:02:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L6bRF00433; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:37:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L6b0R29858; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L6a8R29687 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:36:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20505 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:52:16 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! In-Reply-To: <200201210628.WAA32539@artemis.directcon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:52:16 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 Margo@Margospatterns.com wrote: > I suspect the "fulling" might be due to the herringbone weave rather than > the fiber. I had some herringbone rayon suiting, and when I washed it I got > a thick, spongy fabric with no visible herringbone. Yes, that's what happened here ... but I can't figure out what herringbone would have to do with it. Herringbone is essentially twill, isn't it, save that the direction of the diagonals changes at intervals? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 04:07:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25014 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:07:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0L9gVF08504; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:42:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L9g0R02153; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0L9fpR02106 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:41:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA28497.; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:49:49 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:42:14 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dorothy Dodderidge's Tomb Effigy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0L9fpR02106 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:41:38 +0000 Status: RO This style of effigy (leaning on one elbow) seems to have been a fashion at the time. There's one illustrated in the Cunnington 17th century book (possibly the Exeter one? - book not to hand). When I saw a similar effigy in Ludlow parish church (Shropshire), I thought "oh, it's the one in the book" but it isn't, she's on the other elbow! I think there's also one in St. Albans Abbey. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 04:30:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25117 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:30:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LA5SF09185; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 03:05:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LA51R05938; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 03:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LA4XR05867 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 03:04:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA00200.; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:12:32 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:04:57 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0LA4XR05867 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:04:32 +0000 Status: RO Kelly wrote: >Back to London. All of our breakfasts were ate at the B&B. Now at this one >in London she only put out jam, milk, oj, bread, cold cereal and a toaster. >We had to fix it ourselves. I have no idea what hot breakfast foods would be >like. Most B&Bs serve either a standard "fry-up" (bacon and egg plus sausage, baked beans and/or tomato, mushrooms...) or a choice of some of the above or boiled or scrambled eggs, or sometimes even kippers (smoked fish). Personally I never eat a cooked breakfast at home, so what you got would suit me as long as the price reflected the lack of hot food! By "the T-square" do you mean Trafalgar Square? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 04:46:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25213 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:46:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LALVF09618; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 03:21:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LAL1R15092; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 03:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LAKsR14768 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 03:20:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E30233A8D14 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:20:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <013701c1a26d$a4a07a40$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020120213153.00a921f0@mail.optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:20:33 -0600 Status: RO Well, I'm a quilter too, and i'm asking! Seriously would love to see pics. I'm in the middle of making 20 premature-baby-size quilts for charity right now as payment for an online auction I won through one of my lists! Dianne . I have made quilts out of > everything from leather, fiberglass, acetate, rayon and even double knit > sweater material. > > Don't ask -- somehow I got suckered into one of those "Bet you can't" > situations. > > Katheryne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 05:02:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25263 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:02:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LAbSF10084; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 03:37:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LAb0R24414; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 03:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LAaqR24390 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 03:36:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA02665.; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:44:51 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:37:16 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: figgy pudding, British food Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0LAaqR24390 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:37:00 +0000 Status: RO "Pudding" originally meant something, usually savoury, cooked in a skin like a giant sausage (as "black pudding" still does). Later the definition stretched to mean something boiled in a cloth, or other cooked thickened mixtures (Yorkshire pudding is made of pancake-type batter). Nowadays sweet puddings are usually steamed or baked, and, as Gail says, "pudding" is often used loosely for the sweet course. Christmas pudding was originally boiled ina cloth, later boiled or steamed in a basin, but not a fancy mould, if that's what a Bundt pan is. They can be any size, but a little goes a long way, especially after Christmas dinner! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> gailscott@eos.net 01/20/02 05:35pm >>> My next-door neighbor used to make a Christmas pudding from a family recipe that came from England (where -- I believe -- pudding is a word that means "dessert" and not the custardy-thing we use it for). It was a very dense and wet kind of cake full of fruit and soaked in rum, with an extremely strong flavor. It was small, about 6 or 7 inches in circumference, molded to a shape (I think it was made in a mini Bundt pan), and you ate it by slices about 1/4 of an inch thick. I don't know if that's a "figgy pudding" but it was definitely a "pudding." I think it was the kind that can be set on fire for effect, but they gave us hunks and didn't do any pyrotechnics. I have been to England 3 times and I had very good food there each time, even in London. The London B&Bs I went to generally had cold breakfasts (hey, there's always Weetabix!), but outside of London we always had "full English breakfast" which mystified me by usually including tomatoes. We do not eat tomatoes in the US at breakfast, at least in the East and MidWest. (One of my trips was a summer school trip, where we stayed at Trinity College, Oxford, and ate at their Hall -- we had tomatoes every meal.) We had wonderful sandwiches from street vendors in London, lots of good Indian food, good meals at pubs and restaurants, great fish and chips, and great sandwiches and pasties from bakeries. If you are going to England, try all sorts of places. Ask for recommendations from your hotel, B&B, or the tourist bureau. If you are on a budget, stay at B&Bs and have lunch at bakeries. That will give you two cheap meals, anyway. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 05:26:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25344 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:26:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LB1TF10789; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:01:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LB11R28103; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LB0uR28078 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:00:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D4AF3A8DD2 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:01:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <023f01c1a273$6c8e7a20$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: <200201182234.g0IMY2R22829@net.indra.com> <200201210204.VAA16288@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:01:56 -0600 Status: RO Seems more fair to me, somehow, yet I know that if I > added up the price of all of those things and asked for the money instead, > I'd get it. Maybe I just don't like charging my friends money, yet working > a trade in objects is more acceptable. Mara, I feel like a trade is more acceptable to me because it IS easier to quantify. Not everyone makes the same amount of money, but everyone is given the same number of hours in a day. As for me, a trade would be more acceptable because cash would invariably wind up being spent on something other than what I had planned! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 09:22:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26463 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:22:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LEucF23221; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:56:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LEu1R14169; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LEtXR14010 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:55:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from picard.dnaco.net (picard.dnaco.net [207.238.206.4]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0LEvFg26665 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by picard.dnaco.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA04003 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:59:32 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: picard.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Leaving In-Reply-To: <20020118.064100.-665777.13.khopkins6@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:59:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Kathy, A mustang? That's quite a responsibility! How did you decide to become horsey folk? Best of luck with your horse and new direction. How are you and Sagan doing, by the way? Thanks, Drea > I just thought I would say Goodbye to my friends on h-costume > before unsubscribing. > > I am following a new path in my life and at this time costume > and fabric don't have anything to do with it. Notice I said at this > time. > > We are now the proud owners of a six year old Spanish Mustang, named > Napoleon. He is not broke to ride and was abandoned by the people > who adopted him from the BLM. So we have our work cut out for > us. But it is so rewarding! I just can't explain the feelings of joy > that > comes with a connection to a horse. It's amazing. Every time I am with > him, no matter how much labor it is, I feel as if I have just had a > vacation. > All you equestrians out there know what I am talking about. > > So after another year or so I may be back for advice on costuming for > the Cowboy Mounted Shooting garb I will need. Yes, galloping around > a course, six guns blazing, all done up in period tack and clothing. I > can't > wait!!!!!! > > Bye for now, > > Kathy Hopkins > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 09:25:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26475 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:25:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LF07F23568; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:00:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LExAR15205; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:59:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LEvsR14761 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:57:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from picard.dnaco.net (picard.dnaco.net [207.238.206.4]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0LExgg26851 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:59:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by picard.dnaco.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA04295 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:01:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: picard.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Leaving In-Reply-To: <20020118.064100.-665777.13.khopkins6@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:01:58 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Oops--that was private. Obviously. :) Suffering from severe monday-itis, Drea On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Kathy M Hopkins wrote: > Greetings, > > I just thought I would say Goodbye to my friends on h-costume > before unsubscribing. > > I am following a new path in my life and at this time costume > and fabric don't have anything to do with it. Notice I said at this > time. > > We are now the proud owners of a six year old Spanish Mustang, named > Napoleon. He is not broke to ride and was abandoned by the people > who adopted him from the BLM. So we have our work cut out for > us. But it is so rewarding! I just can't explain the feelings of joy > that > comes with a connection to a horse. It's amazing. Every time I am with > him, no matter how much labor it is, I feel as if I have just had a > vacation. > All you equestrians out there know what I am talking about. > > So after another year or so I may be back for advice on costuming for > the Cowboy Mounted Shooting garb I will need. Yes, galloping around > a course, six guns blazing, all done up in period tack and clothing. I > can't > wait!!!!!! > > Bye for now, > > Kathy Hopkins > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 09:34:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26525 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:34:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LF9YF24553; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:09:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LF92R19441; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:09:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LF8cR19293 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:08:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m234.in-tch.com [216.166.191.234]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0LEvTb04125 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:57:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C4C3007.F672764E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:13:11 -0700 Status: RO Baked beans? For breakfast? How completely _weird_ --Sue, refraining from saying "eeeuuuuuw"...... (although the tomatoes and mushrooms sound nummy ;-) Kate M Bunting wrote: > > Kelly wrote: > >Back to London. All of our breakfasts were ate at the B&B. Now at this one > >in London she only put out jam, milk, oj, bread, cold cereal and a toaster. > >We had to fix it ourselves. I have no idea what hot breakfast foods would be > >like. > > Most B&Bs serve either a standard "fry-up" (bacon and egg plus sausage, baked beans and/or tomato, mushrooms...) or a choice of some of the above or boiled or scrambled eggs, or sometimes even kippers (smoked fish). Personally I never eat a cooked breakfast at home, so what you got would suit me as long as the price reflected the lack of hot food! > By "the T-square" do you mean Trafalgar Square? > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 10:27:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30809 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:27:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LG1cF29922; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:01:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LG14R13121; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:01:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LG0GR12767 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:00:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.12b.af93fa0 (3984) for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:00:29 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <12b.af93fa0.297d951c@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]OT British (Southern take on food) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:00:28 EST Status: RO In a message dated 21/1/02 9:10:39 AM, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: << Baked beans? For breakfast? How completely _weird_ --Sue, refraining from saying "eeeuuuuuw"...... (although the tomatoes and mushrooms sound nummy ;- >> I'll say it "euuuuw" {grin} BUT I'd rather have baked beans for breakfast than grits and some of the other things we Southerners put on our plates and like. Figgy pudding, bubble and squeek, bangers and mash etc all sound marvy compared to a dinner of turnip greens, pot likker, souse (now there's an euwwww for ya), brains and eggs, liver and lights, hogs head, hand slung chitterlings (now there's a mental picture), fried pork rinds and a myriad of other things that regularly turn up on the average Southerners menu. My mother's favorite food is fried chicken feet [shudder, don't go there, just DON'T, it's safer). Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 11:45:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31305 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:45:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LHKFF10344; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:20:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LHK2T29812; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (2xtreme.net [209.63.222.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0LHJrT29732 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:19:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 17498 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 17:19:53 -0000 Received: from 66-81-59-218-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.59.218) by 2xtreme.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 17:19:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3C4BA4C1.E62D4249@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:18:57 -0800 Status: RO > Another thing I HATE is people asking me to alter garb. Please save me from those who receive worn-out, second-hand > garb and want me to make it fit, or fix it! > > Katrin I have a very firm rule when it comes to alterations, I only do alterations for people I am sleeping with. Spent far too much time doing alterations on stock costume to do is just for the fun of it! Stephen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 12:14:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31461 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:14:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LHn2F14269; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LHn1T13449; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LHmLT13142 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:48:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p108.directcon.net [209.79.209.157]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA20370 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:47:03 -0800 Message-Id: <200201211747.JAA20370@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:47:03 -0800 Status: RO Stephen wrote: >I have a very firm rule when it comes to alterations, I only do >alterations for people I am sleeping with. > Knowing that you're happily married, Stephen, I can't help but wonder if stating this policy has resulted in any awkward offers...... Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 12:22:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31756 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:22:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LHv2F15176; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LHv1T17149; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LHulT16998 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:56:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust204.tnt13.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.193.2.204] helo=earthlink.net) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16SigY-0002qT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:56:47 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4C5675.8030207@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:57:09 -0500 Status: RO Basically, yes, Instead of warping 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4... you warp 1,2,3,4,3,2,1,2,3,4 or some variation of that. That's actually a point twill, herringbone sometimes has another shift in there. (I haven't woven for a while, so I'm a little vague, here.) But it does affect structure - you can end up with longer floats. I'd never thought about it, but I suppose they could full more closely. I've never woven it in wool, always cotton, which shrank down to be nice and thick and durable, but washing made the pattern more, not less, obvious. Anne Robin Netherton wrote: >On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 Margo@Margospatterns.com wrote: > >>I suspect the "fulling" might be due to the herringbone weave rather than >>the fiber. I had some herringbone rayon suiting, and when I washed it I got >>a thick, spongy fabric with no visible herringbone. >> > >Yes, that's what happened here ... but I can't figure out what herringbone >would have to do with it. Herringbone is essentially twill, isn't it, save >that the direction of the diagonals changes at intervals? > >--Robin > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 12:41:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32287 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:41:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LIG2F17990; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LIG1T25951; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LIFDT25599 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:15:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16SiyO-0000V0-0B for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:15:13 +0000 Message-ID: <0+e5wDAupFT8Iw9m@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: figgy pudding In-Reply-To: <3C4B378A.30939.1828134@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:14:06 +0000 Status: RO Jane Williams wrote >Just been lurking for a few days, and spotted a subject I actually know a little >bit about. > >Figgy Pudding. The "original": in Forme of Cury. > >http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/foc/FoC086small.html > >Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and there it is. Bears very little >resemblance to the more modern Christmas pudding, but may well be what's >referred to in the carol. > It actually tastes amazingly like modern Christmas pudding - rich and fruity and alcoholic. It's very heavy - eat with almost equal volumes of whipped cream. -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 12:51:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01371 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:51:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LIP3F19389; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:25:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LIP1T00347; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LINxT29734 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Sj6r-0002mA-0B for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:23:58 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British In-Reply-To: <3C4C3007.F672764E@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:22:55 +0000 Status: RO If you travel up through Britain, you will find the standard cooked breakfast changes as you go. Bacon, sausage and some sort of egg are basic. Beans, mushrooms, tomato, black pudding, fried bread, hash browns come and go. Once you get to Scotland you will be offered haggis, potato scone and Lorne sausage (square slices of sausagemeat) too. Jean Sue Clemenger wrote >Baked beans? For breakfast? How completely _weird_ >--Sue, refraining from saying "eeeuuuuuw"...... (although the tomatoes >and mushrooms sound nummy ;-) > >Kate M Bunting wrote: >> >> Kelly wrote: >> >Back to London. All of our breakfasts were ate at the B&B. Now at this one >> >in London she only put out jam, milk, oj, bread, cold cereal and a toaster. >> >We had to fix it ourselves. I have no idea what hot breakfast foods would be >> >like. >> >> Most B&Bs serve either a standard "fry-up" (bacon and egg plus sausage, baked >beans and/or tomato, mushrooms...) or a choice of some of the above or boiled or >scrambled eggs, or sometimes even kippers (smoked fish). Personally I never eat >a cooked breakfast at home, so what you got would suit me as long as the price >reflected the lack of hot food! >> By "the T-square" do you mean Trafalgar Square? >> >> Kate Bunting >> Library, University of Derby >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 12:56:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02296 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:56:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LIV2F20467; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:31:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LIV0T03138; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LIUMT02865 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:30:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 7.29.21507383 (18254) for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:30:09 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <29.21507383.297db831@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] dye (was fulled silk) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:30:09 EST Status: RO DYE TIPS: Just to offer some experience here, I've used RIT dyes for years. Nothin' wrong with that. Done right, you can get lovely even color on most types of fabric -- even those that supposedly don't dye well. Reading the fine print in the directions is a must. For light colors, you need 1 box per every 3 yards of fabric. For medium to dark colors, or brights, use 2 boxes per 3 yds. I wash my fabric in the washer on hot first, with "All Free & Clear." (I like to serge the 2 cut edges first, cuz ya lose less yardage to ravelling.) Then, I fill my stainless steel kitchen sink with scalding tapwater. (If your tap doesn't get hot enough, you could add a pot of boiled water from the stove.) I add the RIT, a cup of salt, and however much detergent it says in the directions -- a tablespoon, I think. Mix until dissolved. Add the fabric and stir wearing latex gloves and/or a steel serving utensil. You'll want to lift it out by the fabric edge and re-insert a few times, to ensure even dying that you can't get from a washing machine (cuz it twists up). 40 minutes works for most fabrics. Keep agitating the whole time. When done, let water drain out and fill again with warm water to rinse excess dye. Agitate, then drain sink. Repeat process at least 3 times in progressively cooler water. Keep rinsing until cold water comes out clear. Testing with a swatch is, of course a good idea, but not always practical with this method. You have to add the fabric while the water is hot, after all. But if you were dyeing something else, and wanted to add your swatch to see what another fabric would look like in the same dye, you could do that. Brocades done this way can sometimes comes out 2-tone, as the non-shiny pattern may not take the dye at all, or to a lesser degree. This can be stunning, so long as you didn't hate the original color. Hope this helps! Gillian, who cannot go outside for at least another week due to pneumonia and is freaking out cuz it means missing the sale at the fabric store! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 13:15:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03826 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:15:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LIo2F23266; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LIo0T11517; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pageartists.com (pageartists.com [207.159.140.64]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LInVT11287 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:49:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by pageartists.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15248; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:49:31 -0800 (PST) From: Brenna Sharp Message-Id: <200201211849.KAA15248@pageartists.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.11 X-Originating-IP: 209.102.125.185 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Re: [YeMerrieGreenwoodList] Knitting Patterns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: brenna@robewarriors.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:49:31 -0800 (PST) Status: RO If anyone can help this person, please do so by replying directly to her as she is (obviously) not on this list. She gave permission for me to forward her request here. Thank you. Brenna > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 07:16:43 -0000 > From: "jadetenshi" > Subject: period knitting patterns > > To the knitters of the group or anyone who would know about this... > > Does anyone know of any period knitting patterns I find, or what key > words to look under, or what kind of knitted garment/item is > acceptable at the time. Anykind of advice for a beginner knitter for > a renaissaunce faire member should know, need to know, or wants to > know. > > -Lori Irwin > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 13:21:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03860 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:21:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LIu5F24075; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:56:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LIu3T14453; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:56:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LItVT14208 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:55:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 7.e.18d3e44b (18254) for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:55:24 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: money for costumes + BUSINESS CARDS! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:55:23 EST Status: RO Making money at sewing: After having too many friends swamp me with projects for too little cash, I laid down the law. I said, "I make $10 an hour sewing for strangers. So every hour I do your [friends'] stuff for $1 an hr I lose $9, because I could have used that time to take on another custom order. So, you can pay $10 an hr like the rest of them, or pay $7 plus barter we can agree on." After 2 years of logging my hrs on projects -- just kept a journal listing daily start and stop times -- I can usually give an accurate estimate on the time needed for a project. So, when I get a client inquiry, I tell them they must pay me $10/hr, for an estimated X # of hrs, plus materials cost of "blank". They can accept or decline at that point. The hardest part is resisting the temptation to offer to cut down the price when they waver. But I've come to learn there are enough people willing to pay my price that I no longer have a part-time job on the side. If one person says no, another will say yes. But it does help to have a professional-looking business card. Let me highly recommend: vistaprint.com You get 250 color business cards for "free" plus $5 shipping. You design them from an easy online template, and I personally used the "address" lines to write in what kinds of things I make. And no, I don't work for them. Just a very happy customer, who gets compliments on her cards all the time. If they only knew it costs 5 bucks! Anyway, that's I how make my living. --Gillian the seamstress _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 13:25:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03883 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:25:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LJ03F24758; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LJ02T16295; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LIxBT15870 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:59:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQAY2K00.R6O for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:59:08 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] money for costumes Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <023f01c1a273$6c8e7a20$0d604e40@suscom.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:55:18 -0800 Status: RO I'm probably being contrary to the good-feelings of this thread, but I hate working for barter. I find it much harder to compare my time/effort/materials against someone elses. Five hours of sewing isn't the same kind of work as 5 hours of yard work, to my mind. So, how much IS? But the real trouble is, time or not, I sew (or have sewn) for others mainly because I needed the money. I can't pay a bill with embroidery, or whatever trade is offered is something I just don't need and wouldn't spend money to have someone do, no matter how nice it would be to have. And finally, several times I've made arrangements for a trade, the other side of the trade never materialized, and that is hard on a friendship, too. What's difficult about this is charging by the hour, since people want to know how much they're going to have to budget. So I finally just sat down and worked out a per-piece rate for various items of Elizabethan wear, and that's what I go by. Or went by. In any case, my prices apparently were too high (although really not quite as high as they probably should have been) since eventually people stopped asking me. Also, after a few years of production sewing every Spring/Summer, I just got tired. So I sew very seldom for anyone but myself and my husband, and discourage anyone from asking. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Greg and Dianne Stucki > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:02 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes > > > > Seems more fair to me, somehow, yet I know that if I > > added up the price of all of those things and asked for the money instead, > > I'd get it. Maybe I just don't like charging my friends money, yet > working > > a trade in objects is more acceptable. > > Mara, I feel like a trade is more acceptable to me because it IS easier to > quantify. Not everyone makes the same amount of money, but everyone is given > the same number of hours in a day. As for me, a trade would be more > acceptable because cash would invariably wind up being spent on something > other than what I had planned! > > Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 13:29:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03906 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:29:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LJ46F25284; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:04:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LJ42T18031; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LJ3oT17946 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:03:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23499 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:19:36 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] dye (was fulled silk) In-Reply-To: <29.21507383.297db831@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:19:36 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 Azelana@aol.com wrote: > DYE TIPS: I don't have a suitable sink for dyeing, so I use the washer -- and I bought a washer with a metal drum instead of a plastic one just for this reason. (You can still dye with a plastic tub, but it turns colors, which is unnerving when you put your regular wash in later.) > For light colors, you need 1 box per every 3 yards of fabric. For > medium to dark colors, or brights, use 2 boxes per 3 yds. I have had my fill of dissolving the powder dyes, and I use only the liquid bottles now. For many years I have made a practice of buying up the potentially suitable colors at drugstores and such that are going out of business -- there's often a nice selection of Rit bottles marked down to .99/bottle or some such. > Testing with a swatch is, of course a good idea, but not always practical > with this method. Having bottles on hand makes test-dyeing swatches very easy. For each of my basic dyeing colors (gold, red, blue, green, etc.) I set aside one bottle as the one to use for swatch-dyeing, and I mark it clearly so I know it's not a full bottle. To test, I put 1/2 cup boiling water into a glass (Pyrex) custard cup, stir in 1/2 tsp. of dye, then drop in the washed wet swatch and let sit for an hour. Then I rinse with cold water. As always, protect your surface with newspapers and wear rubber gloves. I stir with a disposable plastic spoon. I usually line up five or six cups at a time and may test several different fabrics. I may not get exactly the same shade, but this is enough to show me how the dye will take on a given fabric, particularly on blends and two-tone brocades. I can also experiment with mixes of colors this way, to get in the neighborhood of the shade I want. > I wash my fabric in the washer on hot first, with "All Free & Clear." Hey, that's what I used this week! Usually I use Tide Free or Cheer Free, though. > You'll want to lift it out by the fabric edge and re-insert a few > times, to ensure even dying that you can't get from a washing machine > (cuz it twists up). I do this when washer dyeing too, every 10-15 minutes, when I reset the cycle knob to continue the agitation. This was a real pain this time, because I had 11 one-yard pieces of wool plus the four-yard piece of silk! The whole process took a couple of hours, as I wanted to be sure of a deep color, but the water was still very warm by the time I decided to rinse. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 14:04:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04376 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:04:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LJd7F00597; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:39:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LJd1T03779; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LJc1T03245 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.148.82d58b8 (16784) for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:37:53 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: <148.82d58b8.297dc798@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_148.82d58b8.297dc798_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10555 Subject: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:35:52 EST Status: RO --part1_148.82d58b8.297dc798_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/21/02 12:18:37 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > By "the T-square" do you mean Trafalgar Square? > Yes, I couldn't remember how to spell it. Kelly --part1_148.82d58b8.297dc798_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/21/02 12:18:37 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


By "the T-square" do you mean Trafalgar Square?

Yes, I couldn't remember how to spell it.
Kelly
--part1_148.82d58b8.297dc798_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 14:11:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05439 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:11:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LJk2F01507; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LJk0T07076; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LJjpT07028 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:45:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10605 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p19.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.147]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA12394 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:45:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201211945.OAA12394@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: RE: [h-cost] sillly corset tale In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E84@tko-exch.phoenix.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:40:54 -0500 Status: RO At 04:58 PM 01/20/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >They were my 11th thru 15th corsets. We designed the patterns right on the >wearers. IMHO, the only way to do it. After you've done a few others, first! >OK, we looked at a few real ones in museums & in vintage clothing dealer >collections and a field trip to some vintage clothing dealers show in SF >(where the bride lived). Maybe even looked at Norah Waugh's book. >--cin Ah, thanks, I was wondering. I've made up a couple of Victorian corsets from the Laughing Moon pattern, but hadn't seen any Edwardian (ca. 1900-1910) corset patterns for sale. I've drafted 18th c. stays directly on the customer, but haven't tried doing that for later period corsets. Is it difficult? Do you start with a sloper, or...? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 14:27:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05898 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:27:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LK22F03830; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LK21T14470; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20409.mail.yahoo.com (web20409.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.128]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0LK1TT14235 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:01:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020121200126.79014.qmail@web20409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.60.146.47] by web20409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:01:26 PST From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200201211945.OAA12394@saltmine.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Edwardian corsets (was: sillly corset tale) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:01:26 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > I've made up a couple > of Victorian corsets > from the Laughing Moon pattern, but hadn't seen any > Edwardian (ca. > 1900-1910) corset patterns for sale. > -- Mara > Huh. I have (but have not yet made up, so don't ask) the Past Patterns #106 "Edwardian Corset." The liner notes, which I just skimmed through again, make a few references to an "original" that they apparently based the pattern on, but don't seem to specifically date that original. The woman in the cover picture (a period-looking line drawing) has that lovely Grecian bend. I bought this pattern intending it to be the foundation for a c. 1905 gown (not made yet, either). I got it from Amazon D.G., but I expect you could get it elsewhere as well. -Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 14:33:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05939 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:33:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LK83F04780; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LK81T17714; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.wireweb.net ([64.243.192.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LK6vT17228 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:06:59 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200201211401.AA1251672404@mail.wireweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Alexandria Doyle" X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] money for costumes X-Mailer: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:01:15 -0600 Status: RO I recently did my first barter for sewing. A sister of a friend needs a simple tunic made for her fiance and sleeves made for her wedding dress. She had tried hiring a regular seamstress, but that person couldn't work without a pattern and didn't understand "period" clothing/styles and "lost" fabric and basically refused to carry out parts of the design requested. I don't know how much she was charging. I had a hard time trying to come up with a fee, because I love to sew and help out, but you know, I had grass ankle deep that had to get mowed before the holidays, and I could either sew their stuff or mow my grass... He was out of work and was able to get the grass mowed on a day when I was at my full time job and even tuned up the mower. It all worked in the end because her car ended up needing a transmission and there was no longer funds for the seamstress. For me, I would have had to pay someone else forty dollars to get my lawn mowed. It worked. Alexandria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 14:37:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05978 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:37:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LK03F03489; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LK01T13505; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f203.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.203]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LJx9T13082 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:59:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:59:01 -0800 Received: from 216.26.2.63 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:59:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.26.2.63] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2002 19:59:01.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[11F85700:01C1A2B6] Subject: [h-cost] money/trade for costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:59:01 -0800 Status: RO I do both things and it has seemed to work for me. I have beautiful hardwood bolt racks in my shop that I traded for costumes for the builder's two children. With the little cash I do earn I generally just buy more fabric, so it's good to have a safe place to stack it all where I can see what I have. I guess we all "sell" our art for different reasons just like we make it for different ones. My mental illness progressed to a point that I haven't been able to hold down a regular job in four years, but on good days I can sew up a storm. I just schedule some down time into my estimate and then if I finish early the customer is that much happier. I'm blessed with a husband who works a real job and takes care of our bills, but my sewing gives me a sense of worth and contributing something to my world. I don't know if I could support myself on what I make, but those of you who do are such an inspiration. Just know that cash or trade, what you all do is make the world a more beautiful place. Jennifer >From: "Maggie Secara" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: RE: [h-cost] money for costumes >Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:55:18 -0800 > >I'm probably being contrary to the good-feelings of this thread, but I hate >working for barter. I find it much harder to compare my >time/effort/materials >against someone elses. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 14:40:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06003 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:40:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LKF6F05742; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:15:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LKF2T21144; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (dsl092-160-084.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.160.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LKEaT20817 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:14:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from gideonfamily.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84BB7F78 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:14:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4C76A7.F50C6163@gideonfamily.org> From: Andrea Gideon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:14:31 -0500 Status: RO > I > can't pay a bill with embroidery, or whatever trade is offered is something I > just don't need and wouldn't spend money to have someone do, no matter how nice > it would be to have > > MaggiRos > It really depends on what the other person has to barter with. I am a stay-at-home mom, but I used to be a hairdresser. I now do a little hair for barter. Some of the things I've gotten in return are as valuble as money. I've had someone repair my toilets and my garbage disposal. If he hadn't done it, I would have had to pay a plumber $50-60 an hour to do. I've had customers do brake jobs and other car repairs that would have cost hundreds of dollars. Yeah, there's no cash being exchanged, but in all those cases, it saved me enough money so that I could pay bills. Andrea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 14:46:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06068 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:46:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LKJRF06284; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:19:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LKJPT23146; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:19:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LKHxT22407 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:17:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22624 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p19.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.147]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA15809 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:17:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201212017.PAA15809@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020120213153.00a921f0@mail.optonline.net> References: <3C4A4E13.5B9451F0@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:13:08 -0500 Status: RO At 09:33 PM 01/20/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Well, if you *really* can't find a use -- send it to me... > >In my mundane world I'm a scrap quilter. I have made quilts out of >everything from leather, fiberglass, acetate, rayon and even double knit >sweater material. > >Don't ask -- somehow I got suckered into one of those "Bet you can't" >situations. > >Katheryne Hey, want some scraps? I've got a large bag of scraps of corduroy, wool, linen and other misc. stuff that I was vaguely considering making into something like a hat, but am now thinking of throwing out because I'll never get around to it... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 14:46:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06081 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:46:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LKK9F06386; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:20:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LKK6T23504; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:20:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20404.mail.yahoo.com (web20404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0LKJJT23102 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:19:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020121201916.22844.qmail@web20404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.60.146.47] by web20404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:19:16 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C4C5675.8030207@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:19:16 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I suspect this effect is related to satin - you know, lots of long floats obscuring the ground weave, and so it's difficult to discern the individual threads/weaving pattern, but just seeing a nice smooth surface. When your (herringbone) fabric shrinks up, the "ground" would tend to disappear underneath your longer floats. Further, according to my reference, "a marked predominance of either warp of weft tends to lessen the prominence of twill diagonals," and it sounds like your fabric shrank more length-wise (warp) than width-wise (weft). If the longer floats were in the weft threads, then that would accentuate the "satin" effect and de-accentuate the twill design. On felt, this source says "wool fibers have a scaly surface structure which gives them, more than other fibers, a tendency to cling firmly to each other when subjected to the manipulations of the felting process." Since silk has an unusually smooth surface structure, I would be surprised that the fibers would be able to grab onto and adhere to each other, which is what happens during fulling. -Angela (more on this source to follow in a post titled "book review) --- A F Murphy wrote: > Basically, yes, Instead of warping > 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4... you warp > 1,2,3,4,3,2,1,2,3,4 or some variation of that. > That's actually a point > twill, herringbone sometimes has another shift in > there. (I haven't > woven for a while, so I'm a little vague, here.) But > it does affect > structure - you can end up with longer floats. I'd > never thought about > it, but I suppose they could full more closely. I've > never woven it in > wool, always cotton, which shrank down to be nice > and thick and durable, > but washing made the pattern more, not less, > obvious. > > Anne > > Robin Netherton wrote: > > >On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 Margo@Margospatterns.com wrote: > > > >>I suspect the "fulling" might be due to the > herringbone weave rather than > >>the fiber. I had some herringbone rayon suiting, > and when I washed it I got > >>a thick, spongy fabric with no visible > herringbone. > >> > > > >Yes, that's what happened here ... but I can't > figure out what herringbone > >would have to do with it. Herringbone is > essentially twill, isn't it, save > >that the direction of the diagonals changes at > intervals? > > > >--Robin > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 14:57:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06173 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:57:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LKW3F07859; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:32:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LKW1T29171; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20407.mail.yahoo.com (web20407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.126]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0LKVkT29036 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:31:46 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020121203140.80230.qmail@web20407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.60.146.47] by web20407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:31:40 PST From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C4C5675.8030207@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] book review: Emery ?? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:31:40 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I had been meaning to ask the list about a book I picked up at a used book store several months ago, but forgot about it until I recently ran to it as reference for the "fulled silk" question. The book is "The Primary Structures of Fabrics - An Illustrated Classification" by Irene Emery, originally published by the Textile Museum, Washington, D.C., in 1966, this edition c1994. ISBN 0-8230-4394-0. The three parts of the book are Components of Fabric Structures, Classification of the Structures of Fabrics, and Structures Accessory to Fabrics. There are hundreds of very clear photographs throughout the book, showing all kinds of knots, knits, weaves, and variations, done up in string so that you can see what's going on. I started to read it, and was very impressed by the clarity and level of precision involved. I got nearly half-way through before I got bogged down by the fact that I was basically reading an encyclopedia (not excactly the most exciting writing style), and set it aside - but I intend to go back and read the rest of it someday. My question is: has anyone ever heard of this woman, and/or this book? She gives some very specific definitions for things, e.g. "fabric" versus "textile", "braid" versus "plait" etc.. Does anyone follow these definitions, or do the words remain as squishy as they were when she set about to nail them down? 1966 is a long time ago in terms of emerging terminology in the academic and textile worlds. How closely should I read this book? Thanks to all. -Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 15:09:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06258 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:09:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LKi4F09608; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:44:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LKi1T04447; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LKhsT04385 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:43:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQB2X500.B9B for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:43:53 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] money for costumes Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3C4C76A7.F50C6163@gideonfamily.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:39:53 -0800 Status: RO Ah now that's different! :) I just don't seem to know anyone with those skills who also needs new costumes! That sort of thing really would work out nicely. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Andrea Gideon > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:15 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes > > > > I > > can't pay a bill with embroidery, or whatever trade is offered is > something I > > just don't need and wouldn't spend money to have someone do, no > matter how nice > > it would be to have > > > > MaggiRos > > > > It really depends on what the other person has to barter with. I am > a stay-at-home > mom, but I used to be a hairdresser. I now do a little hair for > barter. Some of > the things I've gotten in return are as valuble as money. I've had > someone repair > my toilets and my garbage disposal. If he hadn't done it, I would > have had to pay > a plumber $50-60 an hour to do. I've had customers do brake jobs and > other car > repairs that would have cost hundreds of dollars. Yeah, there's no cash being > exchanged, but in all those cases, it saved me enough money so that I > could pay > bills. > Andrea > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 16:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06673 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:00:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LLZ4F16628; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:35:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LLZ2T03255; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LLYCT02827 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:34:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0LLYNcl027932 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:34:24 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:35:35 -0800 Status: RO Jennifer wrote: I do both things and it has seemed to work for me. I have beautiful hardwood bolt racks in my shop that I traded for costumes for the builder's two children. With the little cash I do earn I generally just buy more fabric, so it's good to have a safe place to stack it all where I can see what I have. ---------------------------- Jennifer, What do your bolt racks look like? I am about to get my sewing room back-the one I had specially made with lots of florescent light in "natural" bulbs, and 8 electrical outlets, all on their own big circuit! I have boxes, chests, and baskets of fabric and I can't use the floor to ceiling 2x6 with 3/4" doweling in between to hang fabric from in this room, so I'd be fascinated to see how others solve the problem of having their fabric visible, easily accessible and up out of the way. Regina Romsey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 17:00:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07082 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:00:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LMY4F25885; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:34:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LMY1T02612; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LMXNT02205 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:33:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from kat.optonline.net (ool-18bbaa6a.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.170.106]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GQB00IDG7ZQA5@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:33:27 -0500 (EST) From: Purple Kat Subject: RE: [h-cost] money for costumes In-reply-to: X-Sender: purplkat@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020121173025.00d966d0@mail.optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <3C4C76A7.F50C6163@gideonfamily.org> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:33:40 -0500 Status: RO At 1/21/2002 03:39 PM, you wrote: >Ah now that's different! :) I just don't seem to know anyone with those >skills >who also needs new costumes! That sort of thing really would work out nicely. > > >MaggiRos Katheryne waves her hand franticly!!!! ME!! ME!!! ME!!!! I *love* to fix cars, and repair things around the house. Unfortunately, I can re-wire a phone, do plumbing or replace a car head gasket -- BUT -- have me try to lengthen and alter a dress pattern???? So if you are near the NYC area I think we can trade specialties. I'll pay for the fabric as long as you pay for the parts for repairs. Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 17:06:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07139 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:06:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LMf3F26892; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LMf0T05836; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LMenT05758 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:40:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from chris (dialup-a1-341.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [202.45.97.87]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g0LMel898017 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:40:48 +1100 (EST) From: "Christopher Ballis" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] sillly corset tale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <200201211945.OAA12394@saltmine.radix.net> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:43:00 +1100 Status: RO Hmm I once saw a re-enactment of the fate of the Russain royal family in which the costumer had put the daughters into corsets upside-down (with the stocking clips jutting towards thier collars), -C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 17:13:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07161 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:13:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LMl2F27734; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LMl0T08652; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LMkbT08453 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:46:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020121224633.OHKS10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:46:33 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c4c95f1.87655862@mail.attbi.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0LMkbT08453 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:44:53 GMT Status: RO On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:35:35 -0800, the following was written in this electric book by "Wanda Pease" : > What do your bolt racks look like? I am about to get my sewing room >back-the one I had specially made with lots of florescent light in "natural" >bulbs, and 8 electrical outlets, all on their own big circuit! I have >boxes, chests, and baskets of fabric and I can't use the floor to ceiling >2x6 with 3/4" doweling in between to hang fabric from in this room, so I'd >be fascinated to see how others solve the problem of having their fabric >visible, easily accessible and up out of the way. I'm not jennifer, but what I use in my (not very big, or custom designed, but well lit and comfy) studio are cube shelves. These: (beware the wrap) http://www.officemax.com/max/solutions/product/prodBlock.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&expansionOID=-536891936&prodBlockOID=49297 They are listed at $30, but are often on sale for $20. I have two walls lined to within 3' of the ceiling with them, the big one packed solid with flat folds of fabric, sorted by type. The nice thing about these is that I can change them if I need or want to rearrange my sewing studio, since they are modular. You can get more storage out of two sets combined than out of two sets seperately. I also have a couple of 'drawers' for scraps and projects, that are your garden-variety cheapo filecrates. They fit perfectly. Wonderful things. I love'em. My plastic bins (ex-fabric storage) are now used for storing things in my garage, and for toting things to and from events. Maura Bass ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 17:25:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07252 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:25:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LN04F29508; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:00:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LN02T14368; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LMxiT14235 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:59:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020121225940.OSOT10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:59:40 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] book review: Emery ?? Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c4d9b14.88971414@mail.attbi.com> References: <20020121203140.80230.qmail@web20407.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020121203140.80230.qmail@web20407.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0LMxiT14235 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:58:00 GMT Status: RO On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:31:40 -0800 (PST), the following was written in this electric book by Angela Kovatch : >I had been meaning to ask the list about a book I >picked up at a used book store several months ago, but >forgot about it until I recently ran to it as >reference for the "fulled silk" question. > >The book is "The Primary Structures of Fabrics - An >Illustrated Classification" by Irene Emery, originally >published by the Textile Museum, Washington, D.C., in >1966, this edition c1994. ISBN 0-8230-4394-0. It's a wonderful book. I showed it to my Textile Sciences teacher and she congratulated me on owning and using a copy of this pioneering work, and encouraged me to bring it to class to share as often as possible (which was no mean feat, given the size of the book and the two-mile walk to the college from my house!). If you are unsure of definitions (some may have changed, but many have not), get a copy of Pizzuto's Fabric Science for cross-reference purposes. Mine is 6th edition (circa 1995), and it's a textbook, so finding a used copy shouldn't be difficult. I find it very useful for many things, partly because I also spin, weave, knit, crochet, etc. It's in my weaving library, but I often get it out to show people what 'twill' and 'satin' structures are (among other things). Maura Bass ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 17:58:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07509 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:58:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LNX5F03537; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:33:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LNX0T28848; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01g.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.237]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0LNWdT28678 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:32:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 7718 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 23:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO computer) ([209.130.201.127]) (envelope-sender ) by relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 21 Jan 2002 23:32:34 -0000 Message-ID: <012001c1a2d3$6632f7e0$7fc982d1@computer> From: "Lyn Greaves- Thorny Rose" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:28:57 -0500 Status: RO I use the Closet Maid plastic coated metal rack shelving. (Carried by both Lowe's and Home Depot in the closet section) It comes with both the bars on the walls (where you place the shelf supports) or free supports. GO WITH THE BARS. . . that said, I tried the free supports and had 4 shelves collapse- seems they are only rated for about 100lbs per linear foot (according to the maker), but only about 1 foot high of fabric collapsed them. HOWEVER, once I switched to the other, I haven't had a problem. Using them, I have over 100 feet of shelf space in my 15 foot square room (along with my 4ft by 8ft cutting table. . ) and only shrank my room 20" on each wall (20" wide shelves) Lyn Greaves Thorny Rose ** A cubicle is just a padded cell without a door. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Pease" To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage > Jennifer wrote: > > I do both things and it has seemed to work for me. I have beautiful > hardwood bolt racks in my shop that I traded for costumes for the builder's > two children. With the little cash I do earn I generally just buy more > fabric, so it's good to have a safe place to stack it all where I can see > what I have. > > ---------------------------- > > Jennifer, > > What do your bolt racks look like? I am about to get my sewing room > back-the one I had specially made with lots of florescent light in "natural" > bulbs, and 8 electrical outlets, all on their own big circuit! I have > boxes, chests, and baskets of fabric and I can't use the floor to ceiling > 2x6 with 3/4" doweling in between to hang fabric from in this room, so I'd > be fascinated to see how others solve the problem of having their fabric > visible, easily accessible and up out of the way. > > Regina Romsey > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 17:59:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07539 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:59:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LNYAF03712; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:34:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LNY8T29418; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:34:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LNXVT29096 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:33:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12131 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p9.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.137]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA05394 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:33:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201212333.SAA05394@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edwardian corsets (was: sillly corset tale) In-Reply-To: <20020121200126.79014.qmail@web20409.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200201211945.OAA12394@saltmine.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:28:42 -0500 Status: RO At 12:01 PM 01/21/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Huh. I have (but have not yet made up, so don't ask) >the Past Patterns #106 "Edwardian Corset." The liner >notes, which I just skimmed through again, make a few >references to an "original" that they apparently based >the pattern on, but don't seem to specifically date >that original. The woman in the cover picture (a >period-looking line drawing) has that lovely Grecian >bend. I bought this pattern intending it to be the >foundation for a c. 1905 gown (not made yet, either). >I got it from Amazon D.G., but I expect you could get >it elsewhere as well. > >-Angela Well, I've seen that one on the web, but for some reason assumed it was a bit earlier in date... ca. 1890, maybe? Well, let me know if it works for your 1905 gown, please? Thanks, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 18:00:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07556 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:00:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LNY4F03688; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:34:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LNY1T29323; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.141]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0LNXIT28994 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:33:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 7944 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 23:33:18 -0000 Received: from pm3frd1-68-107.intrepid.net (HELO sue) (206.102.68.107) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 23:33:18 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c1a2d3$d4ea2b40$0866fea9@stargate.net> From: "Sue Shatto" To: References: <3c4c95f1.87655862@mail.attbi.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:32:02 -0500 Status: RO I bought 3 or 4 fabric bolt racks from Minnesota Fabrics when they went out of business. They are white humps that slip inside the bolt. They are in a curved configuration. I'd be glad to sell them to anyone who needs them for $10 a piece and mailing cost. Cordially, Sue Shatto 401 Fairview Ave. Frederick, MD 21701 http://wwwVictorianMillinery.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage > On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:35:35 -0800, the following was written in this > electric book by "Wanda Pease" : > > > What do your bolt racks look like? I am about to get my sewing room > >back-the one I had specially made with lots of florescent light in "natural" > >bulbs, and 8 electrical outlets, all on their own big circuit! I have > >boxes, chests, and baskets of fabric and I can't use the floor to ceiling > >2x6 with 3/4" doweling in between to hang fabric from in this room, so I'd > >be fascinated to see how others solve the problem of having their fabric > >visible, easily accessible and up out of the way. > I'm not jennifer, but what I use in my (not very big, or custom > designed, but well lit and comfy) studio are cube shelves. These: > (beware the wrap) > > http://www.officemax.com/max/solutions/product/prodBlock.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie= yes&expansionOID=-536891936&prodBlockOID=49297 > > They are listed at $30, but are often on sale for $20. > > I have two walls lined to within 3' of the ceiling with them, the big > one packed solid with flat folds of fabric, sorted by type. The nice > thing about these is that I can change them if I need or want to > rearrange my sewing studio, since they are modular. You can get more > storage out of two sets combined than out of two sets seperately. I > also have a couple of 'drawers' for scraps and projects, that are your > garden-variety cheapo filecrates. They fit perfectly. Wonderful > things. I love'em. > > My plastic bins (ex-fabric storage) are now used for storing things in > my garage, and for toting things to and from events. > > Maura Bass > ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- > "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either > hand..." - the Flash Girls > }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 18:11:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07774 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:11:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LNk4F05229; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:46:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LNk1T05229; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LNjkT05102 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:45:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16So8G-000I24-0B for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:45:44 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Subject: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:44:18 +0000 Status: RO Hi list. I'm thinking about early set-in sleeves, prompted by a friend. I can see from Marc's extant garment pages that they were using s-shaped sleeve heads in the 14th century. Now, with modern curved sleeve heads, you have to gather the top to ease it into the armhole. Is there any evidence whether this was always done? Is it possible to make a set-in sleeve fit without gathering? Or is there some way you don't need it on a s-shaped sleeve but you do on a "sine-curve" one? I'm quite surprised by these sleeves, because I would have thought you needed pattern drafting on paper to get a sleeve and armhole to match. What do those of you who are experienced in draping patterns think? JEan -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 18:12:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07780 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:12:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0LNj4F05086; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LNj1T04722; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LNiXT04493 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:44:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14365 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p9.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.137]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA06510 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:44:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201212344.SAA06510@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: RE: [h-cost] sillly corset tale In-Reply-To: References: <200201211945.OAA12394@saltmine.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:39:43 -0500 Status: RO At 09:43 AM 01/22/2002 +1100, you wrote: >Hmm I once saw a re-enactment of the fate of the Russain royal family in >which the costumer had put the daughters into corsets upside-down (with the >stocking clips jutting towards thier collars), > >-C. (snort) That's too funny! What did he think the clips were for??? Speaking of stocking clips or garter clips, I've seen a couple of illustrations of early 19th c. costume where the women have their corsets on, over petticoats and knickers etc., with the garters clipped to their stockings. The garters, of course, are attached to their corsets, which are worn over the petticoat/combination/other underclothes, but they attach to the stockings, which are, of course, _under_ everything else, so the garters wind up bunching the petticoat up between the top of the stocking and the bottom of the corset. Looks inconvenient as heck, and has me wondering why such a cumbersome method was devised. I have a good idea that it's because the older style of garter -- a band of material tied around the leg at the top of the stocking -- was pretty inconvenient in its own way, as I find that no matter how I tie my garters for 18th c. reenacting, they won't stay put, so I wind up rolling the tops of my stockings so they make their own garters. So attaching suspenders to the bottom of a corset might actually be an advance... but it still looks awkward to me. Did women in this period sometimes use other methods to hold up their stockings? Just curious. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 18:57:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08200 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:57:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M0W3F10425; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:32:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M0W0T23124; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20408.mail.yahoo.com (web20408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.127]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0M0V0T22757 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:31:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020122003101.26944.qmail@web20408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.60.146.47] by web20408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:31:01 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:31:01 -0800 (PST) Status: RO The gathering is not really gathering. :) If you trace a line on the sleeve piece along the stitching line, and measure it, and do the same on the body piece, you should see that they are the same length. However, because there are curves involved, the length of the edge of the fabric on the two pieces is different. When you line up the two pieces of fabric to sew them together, it is easiest to put the edges together and line them up that way - but because the edges are different lengths, they end up not fitting together properly. So you run the slight gathering stitch to encourage the fabric to lay the way you want, to counteract the effect of the curve: when you are done stitching, the seam should lay smooth, with no "gathering." Because this technique is used to counteract curves, it is useful for any seam where one piece is curved, or a different shape from the other, not exclusively for our common sleevecap shape. I have never tried not doing this, but I would expect that what would happen would be that the sleeve piece would stretch on the bias, and pull funny at the seam. So I would expect that people draping a fit would figure this out, even if through a slightly different empirical process. -Angela --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Hi list. > > I'm thinking about early set-in sleeves, prompted by > a friend. I can > see from Marc's extant garment pages that they were > using s-shaped > sleeve heads in the 14th century. Now, with modern > curved sleeve heads, > you have to gather the top to ease it into the > armhole. Is there any > evidence whether this was always done? Is it > possible to make a set-in > sleeve fit without gathering? Or is there some way > you don't need it on > a s-shaped sleeve but you do on a "sine-curve" one? > > I'm quite surprised by these sleeves, because I > would have thought you > needed pattern drafting on paper to get a sleeve and > armhole to match. > What do those of you who are experienced in draping > patterns think? > > JEan > -- > Jean Waddie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 19:15:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08340 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:15:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M0o3F12125; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:50:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M0o0T29083; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0M0nx829072 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:49:59 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes Message-ID: <20020121174959.B5972@net.indra.com> References: <200201211401.AA1251672404@mail.wireweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200201211401.AA1251672404@mail.wireweb.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:49:59 -0700 Status: RO My best case of this was a few summers ago: I needed to have my medieval crossbow repaired. The person who was best able to do it didn't have the time because he had to do some caligraphy. I'm not a caligrapher, but another friend is - but she didn't have time to do it because she needed to make some garb for Pennsic. Aha! I used to be a garb merchant! I made her garb from fabric she provided, she did the caligraphy for our other friend, and he fixed my crossbow. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 19:27:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08381 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:27:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M123F13606; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M120T03120; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M11ZT03032 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:01:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:00:34 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E9F@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] sillly corset tale MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:01:17 -0800 Status: RO 12 or so strips of stiff fabric (canvas, mail bag). Keep pinching & pinning until you have a soft fitting body shape that kinda looks like the pictures. Copy draft to paper. Repeat. Add bones & casings when you're ready. You know casings & closures & finishings already. 'Bout the same. Nuthin' really different from 18th or 19th c, except the busk shape. PS. What about Past Patterns? I vaguely think they have an Edwardian? --cin Cynthia in Tokyo > I've drafted 18th c. stays directly > on the customer, but haven't tried doing that for later > period corsets. Is > it difficult? Do you start with a sloper, or...? > > -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 19:29:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08394 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:29:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M144F13792; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:04:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M141T03874; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe48.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0J85BR13008 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:05:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:05:20 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.23.72.152] From: "Victoria A. Arrington" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0196_01C1A07D.07CCC120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2002 08:05:20.0779 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A2A3DB0:01C1A0C0] Subject: [h-cost] Re:giving up making costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:05:40 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0196_01C1A07D.07CCC120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bjarne, I am so sad to hear this! I do hope you will at least continue to sew = for yourself and those close to you. Your work is downright incredible; = so much that you inspired me in the fine art of fine costuming. I agree = that you should get top dollar for your work. Just from viewing photos = of it I can tell it would be worth each and every cent. You truly are a great artisan. I do honestly hope one day = you will return to your work. -Victoria ------=_NextPart_000_0196_01C1A07D.07CCC120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bjarne,
 
   I am so sad to hear this! I do hope you will at least continue to sew for = yourself and those close to you. Your work is downright incredible; so = much that you inspired me in the fine art of fine costuming. I agree that you should = get top dollar for your work. Just from viewing photos of it I can tell it would = be worth each and every cent.
          &nbs= p;    You truly are a great artisan. I do honestly hope one day you will = return to your work.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0196_01C1A07D.07CCC120-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 19:29:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08398 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:29:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M14AF13812; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:04:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M147T03954; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:04:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp1.ij.net [207.100.203.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0L2T3R06096 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:29:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 21770 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 02:30:29 -0000 Received: from p17-138.tnt3.ij.net (HELO oemcomputer) (209.4.17.138) by smtp1-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 02:30:29 -0000 Message-ID: <00b001c1a222$f43227c0$8a1104d1@oemcomputer> From: "Sherry King" To: , References: <3C4AF994.FE9093A4@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C1A1F9.0A7A4B40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Re: [vint] Vintage clothing show web sites Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:25:53 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C1A1F9.0A7A4B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know what happened to the vintage show that was supposed to = take place early this year in Miami? 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In-Reply-To: <009501c1a215$8cc024a0$1954aad0@tds.net> References: <3C4B0934.8060006@home.com> <009501c1a215$8cc024a0$1954aad0@tds.net> Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:31:20 -0500 Status: RO In lists.sca.h-costume, you wrote: > Try Lady Grace Bras, http://www.ladygrace.com/ . They have a couple of > Nursing Bras in that size range. I'm a big fan of http://www.bodywise.com.au/ K. -- Lady Katherine Rowberd (mka Kirrily "Skud" Robert) katherine@infotrope.net http://infotrope.net/sca/ Caldrithig, Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere "The rose is red, the leaves are grene, God save Elizabeth our Queene" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 19:53:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08477 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:53:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M1SEF16556; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:28:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M1SBT11854; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:28:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M1RiT11699 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:27:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2ivfouf.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.227.207]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Spiz-0007cQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:27:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dorothy Dodderidge's Tomb Effigy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:14:49 -0800 Status: RO I should add that I think the billowy, sort of hood-like thing Ms. Dodderidge is wearing on her head is probably supposed to represent a very fine, almost transparent silk veil propped out on wires. You see these kind of dimly in the background of many of the portraits of Queen Elizabeth and sometimes other noble ladies. It looks much odder carved in stone than in the portraits. At 9:41 AM +0000 1/21/02, Kate M Bunting wrote: >This style of effigy (leaning on one elbow) seems to have been a >fashion at the time. There's one illustrated in the Cunnington 17th >century book (possibly the Exeter one? - book not to hand). When I >saw a similar effigy in Ludlow parish church (Shropshire), I thought >"oh, it's the one in the book" but it isn't, she's on the other >elbow! I think there's also one in St. Albans Abbey. -- ____________________________________________________________ O "Christian Ashley, gentlewoman to Lady Stafford" | Chris Laning + Guild of St. George, Northern California ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 19:53:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08482 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:53:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M1SIF16574; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:28:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M1SFT11889; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:28:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M1RkT11708 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:27:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2ivfouf.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.227.207]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Spj1-0007cQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:27:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] RE: Fulled silk?!?! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:38:16 -0800 Status: RO Robin, since you don't know the fiber content, do you think you could have gotten a silk/wool blend rather than pure silk? They aren't common of course (except these days you see silk blended with ANYTHING) but I've worked with some silk-wool blend yarns that were very silky in feel, yet were only about 50% silk. (I was making a pair of very silly heavy socks with ribs that spiral to the right on one sock, to the left on the other -- you can wear them either spiraling toward each other or away :) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 19:53:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08488 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:53:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M1SLF16590; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:28:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M1SIT11933; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:28:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M1RmT11724 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:27:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2ivfouf.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.227.207]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Spj3-0007cQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:27:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:58:29 -0800 Status: RO I finally tracked down one of my favorite authors' quotes on British food. "Yorkshire pudding is really only popover batter treated differently. What is better with roast beef? No one needs to turn up his nose at English cooking until he has tasted English roast beef with Yorkshire pudding -- and then he certainly won't. All right -- suppose they do have four vegetables, three of which are cabbage. A lot worse things can happen to you than some well-cooked cabbage (gooseberry tart with custard made of imitation eggs, for instance, or, nearer home, doughnuts that have soaked fat, or pale, tough piecrust)." (Louise Andrews Kent, _Mrs. Appleyard's Kitchen_, 1942) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 19:54:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08491 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:54:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M1S4F16523; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:28:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M1S1T11775; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M1RgT11687 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:27:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2ivfouf.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.227.207]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Spiw-0007cQ-00; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:27:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200201211849.KAA15248@pageartists.com> References: <200201211849.KAA15248@pageartists.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Fwd: Re: [YeMerrieGreenwoodList] Knitting Patterns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:11:48 -0800 Status: RO Lori, you wrote: > > Does anyone know of any period knitting patterns I can find, or what key > > words to look under, or what kind of knitted garment/item is > > acceptable at the time. Anykind of advice for a beginner knitter for > > a renaissaunce faire member should know, need to know, or wants to >> know. > > > > -Lori Irwin Knitting seems to have come to Europe from the Mediterranean area sometime in the 1300s or early 1400s. At first it seems to have been used mostly for "accessory" items such as hats and gloves. For a Renaissance Faire set in the 16th century (1500s, in the reign of Henry VIII or Elizabeth I), I'd suggest the following would be appropriate: (1) Simple knitted bowl-shaped caps (sometimes called "watch caps"), probably mostly seen on lower-class working men, sailors, etc. These could be anywhere from 3 or 4 stitches to the inch in coarse wool yarn, down to 10 to 15 stitches to the inch in very fine wool yarn. The coarser ones would probably be felted (knitted extra large and then washed in hot water and soap to shrink them). (2) Finely knitted wool or silk coin purses: simple rectangular bags, maybe 3x5 inches, with drawstring tops and possibly tassels at the bottom. Solid colors, stripes, and maybe simple color patterns would probably be appropriate. There are a number of such purses in silk described in the inventories of Henry VIII, and there's a surviving one in wool from about 1685. They invariably seem to be used to hold coins. (3) Knitted wool or silk stockings, anywhere from coarse wool for working women and men (about 6 or 7 stitches to the inch) to very fine ones patterned with knit and purl stitches in silk for noble men or women. These seem often to have been about knee high, but some of the men's fitted "hose" worn by noblemen were also knitted of silk or very fine wool, and these reached all the way to the top of the leg. (4) Knitted wool "flat caps" -- the kind that look like a beret. (You sometimes see these too on people playing Scottish highlanders, and the knitted ones are authentic, while the often seen crocheted ones are not. We don't see anything like crochet till around 1800 at the earliest.) (5) Knitted mittens or gloves, if the weather is cold. (6) People _might_ also have been wearing short-sleeved knitted wool undershirts in cold weather, but these wouldn't show, and the only one I know of that we actually have surviving is from about 1685, almost 100 years after the period we're talking about. (And most Renaissance Faires I know about are in the summer, anyway :) Remember that knitting at this period was mostly a commerical activity, done for money: either by poor people making items out of coarse wool for sale, or expensive specialist craftsmen knitting very fine and elaborate items in silk for the aristocracy. It didn't really become a leisure-time recreation for middle- or upper-class ladies until well after 1600 (and perhaps not really till the 1800s). In the last few years of the 16th century (i.e. the 1590s) you begin to see elaborately patterned, button-front silk "sweaters" or jackets worn by a few of the nobility, probably only at home or in informal situations. These become fairly common in the first half of the 17th century, and quite a few have survived and are in various museums. They seem to have been commercially made, quite possibly on knitting frames rather than on needles. Other than these, we don't seem to see large "body" garments during this period, just accessories. Knitted shawls don't become common until the Victorian era, and the sweater or knitted shirt as an everyday garment doesn't seem to be common until sometime in the 20th century, after the First World War. * * * * * * * * For a beginner, I'd recommend making a simple wool pouch or two. You can simply knit a rectangular panel about 3" by 10", fold it in half, sew up the sides and run a drawstring in and out at the top. I'd suggest you use the smallest needles and the finest wool you're comfortable with. NONE of the silk items are beginners' projects. The silk used is very fine and slippery, and it can be very frustrating to deal with until you have quite a bit of experience with wool. The bowl-shaped cap and simple plain stockings are probably the next easiest, but they do require you to teach yourself (or have someone teach you) to knit around on four needles. This is really much easier than it sounds. I always recommend Elizabeth Zimmerman's _Knitting Without Tears_ to beginners, as she has lots of good ideas about knitting, very clear drawings and explanations, and she's also quite funny. I know Amazon.com carries it and I expect other booksellers would too. I don't know of many instructions out there written specifically for beginners, but feel free to e-mail me privately and I can write you some. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 20:13:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08569 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:13:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M1m3F18426; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:48:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M1m0T17382; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M1lRT17179 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:47:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25749 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:03:15 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Fulled silk?!?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:03:15 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Chris Laning wrote: > Robin, since you don't know the fiber content, do you think you could > have gotten a silk/wool blend rather than pure silk? They aren't > common of course (except these days you see silk blended with > ANYTHING) but I've worked with some silk-wool blend yarns that were > very silky in feel, yet were only about 50% silk. Well, the fiber content is the one thing I feel secure about. The owner of this place is very careful not to label anything unless he gets the content from his source -- when they don't give him a content, he doesn't guess, and just puts "blend" even if it might be pure wool or whatever. (And sometimes he does get a wool/silk blend, but I haven't convinced myself that's documentably medieval, so I haven't bought any.) Naturally, I don't trust his source anyway, and burn-tested it myself. I got the very mild whiff of burning animal tissue that you get with silk, but not the strong smell you get with wool. I checked the ash and burn behavior too; I forget the details, but I was satisfied that it was indeed silk as labeled. There may have been, say, a bit of rayon that I didn't identify, but I'm pretty sure there was no wool. And the silk hand is unmistakeable. (I could probably put it under a microscope to check more.) It's the *type* of silk I don't know. It does have a bit of "raw" feel, but not the awful slubbiness normally associated with "raw silk." --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 20:15:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08578 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:15:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M1o4F18562; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:50:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M1o1T17926; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop018.verizon.net (pop018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.212]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M1noT17866 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:49:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from default ([151.199.135.139]) by pop018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.02 201-253-122-122-102-20011128) with SMTP id <20020122014951.SPRY11895.pop018.verizon.net@default> for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:49:51 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020122014845.006dc928@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:48:45 -0500 Status: RO At 08:13 AM 1/21/02 -0700, you wrote: >Baked beans? For breakfast? How completely _weird_ >--Sue, refraining from saying "eeeuuuuuw"...... (although the tomatoes >and mushrooms sound nummy ;-) > Odd, why would the time of day affect the taste of food? Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 20:39:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08647 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:39:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M2E4F20917; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:14:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M2E1T24933; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0M2DtT24904 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:13:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 21238 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2002 02:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.238.146) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2002 02:13:56 -0000 Message-ID: <3C4CCB22.D8F22C5D@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:14:58 -0600 Status: RO Jean Waddie wrote: > > Is it possible to make a set-in > sleeve fit without gathering? Or is there some way you don't need it on > a s-shaped sleeve but you do on a "sine-curve" one? As Angela says, it's not precisely gathering, but I must disagree when she says that the seam lines on sleeve and armscye are the same length. The sleeve is usually just slightly longer, and the extra length, known as "ease," is all in the top half. This is why sleeves usually have notches about halfway up the armscye front and back--to make sure that the ease all goes at the top. The reason for this is that the armscye seam on a basic fitted garment usually hits just before the shoulder starts to curve down into the arm, leaving the rounded end of the shoulder to be covered by the top of the sleeve. The ease in the top of the sleeve allows the sleeve to swell slightly to gracefully follow this curve, rather than being flat over the opening like a manhole cover. > I'm quite surprised by these sleeves, because I would have thought you > needed pattern drafting on paper to get a sleeve and armhole to match. > What do those of you who are experienced in draping patterns think? You can draw it straight onto the fabric, but you have to estimate well and then measure to make sure the sleeve cap is the right length. A good non-period cheat is to measure the armscye, add your 1/2-3/4" of ease, then use the tape measure on its edge to form a curve that is the right shape and length. Draw along the tape measure. Measure the resulting curve, adjust the curve as necessary, then cut outside the line (adding your seam allowance). Or, make your adjustments by adding a triangular gusset to the seam, which will be on the back of your arm (a perfect place for a little extra give). You can see the type of gusset I mean here (thank you Marc): http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/%7Emarc-carlson/cloth/herjol42.html Melanie Schuessler [cutter/draper, Skylight Opera Theatre] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 20:49:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08707 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:49:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M2O4F21899; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:24:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M2O1T28344; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M2NKT28105 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:23:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQBI0J00.8QX for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:09:55 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] money for costumes Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020121173025.00d966d0@mail.optonline.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:05:33 -0800 Status: RO Sorry, Kat, I don't think this is going to work out, since I'm in Los Angeles. Good try, though! :) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Purple Kat > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:34 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] money for costumes > > > At 1/21/2002 03:39 PM, you wrote: > >Ah now that's different! :) I just don't seem to know anyone with those > >skills > >who also needs new costumes! That sort of thing really would work > out nicely. > > > > > >MaggiRos > > Katheryne waves her hand franticly!!!! > > ME!! ME!!! ME!!!! > > I *love* to fix cars, and repair things around the house. Unfortunately, I > can re-wire a phone, do plumbing or replace a car head gasket -- BUT -- > have me try to lengthen and alter a dress pattern???? > > So if you are near the NYC area I think we can trade specialties. I'll pay > for the fabric as long as you pay for the parts for repairs. > > Katheryne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 21:23:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08919 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:23:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M2w5F25623; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:58:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M2w1T09377; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.26]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M2v1T09126 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([68.55.178.225]) by femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020122025703.PKUU21740.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:57:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4CD4F9.685BD581@home.com> From: Liz / Cozit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200201220129.g0M1T2T12221@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: knitting at ren. faires Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@home.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:56:57 -0500 Status: RO >From what I found, if you're doing a Faire set in England, before about 1550, the only knitting you *might* find is the fulled caps... unless you're protraying a Landsknect follower (they had knit garments earlier). Toward the end of that period you *might* find undertunics for very young children/infants. Of course, all of the items that Chris passed on are find for Elizabethian England. (BTW, apparently Henry VIII *never* wore anything but cut and fitted cloth hose/stockings... and as far as the lists folks have studied, never owned any knit hose) *But* also you will find that pretty much all knitters were at the very bottom of the pecking order... knitting being something that was taught at some "improved" poor houses (forget the proper name for them right now) to give the women there a way to try to provide for themselves... as was bobbin lace which also arrived in England as a craft around that time. Oh... and towards the end of Elizabeth's reign, as the colonies began, knitting was taught to children at Dame Schools (and their equivalent... there are at least three names for the same thing... woman (usually) teaching basics to children so they can read their prayers, at the same time they teach them to sew or knit... I *think* I've come across simple backstrap weaving... for garters, etc. as well... but don't know what my source was for that one). *g* I was trying to come up with another character for faire that would get me out of nobles (even if it will mean my knees will start to dislike me by the end of faire)... and since it's been a Henry VIII faire for years, kept finding my ideas trashed (the one requirement is that I am able to do some sort of "finger twiddle" on and off during faire... well, than and it has to fit in with the Hengrave Hall household or w/in the wool business (other than spinster there's not much there for the first half of the century). -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 21:49:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09019 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:49:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M3O4F27824; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:24:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M3O0T16481; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M3NnT16396 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:23:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26329 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:39:38 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:39:38 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Jean Waddie wrote: > I'm thinking about early set-in sleeves, prompted by a friend. I can > see from Marc's extant garment pages that they were using s-shaped > sleeve heads in the 14th century. Now, with modern curved sleeve > heads, you have to gather the top to ease it into the armhole. Is > there any evidence whether this was always done? Is it possible to > make a set-in sleeve fit without gathering? Or is there some way you > don't need it on a s-shaped sleeve but you do on a "sine-curve" one? > > I'm quite surprised by these sleeves, because I would have thought you > needed pattern drafting on paper to get a sleeve and armhole to match. > What do those of you who are experienced in draping patterns think? Speaking personally: I do not do pattern drafting -- I mark and cut directly on the fabric, and I do most of my measurements by wrapping fabric on the body. My set-in sleeves, when completed, fit exactly in their armholes, and I do not use ease. They are not "manhole covers" as Melanie describes in another post, but you do not need ease to provide for the swell of the shoulder and upper arm; you just need to find the right angles and curves, and you need to place your armhole seam at the right spot on the body, and the grainline of the sleeve piece on just the right line of the arm. I see no indication of the use of ease or any puffiness of the sleeve head from the introduction of the set-in sleeve (about 1330) to well into the 15th century. That's for fitted dresses, not things like houppelande sleeves, which are sometimes clearly shown as being pleated into the shoulder and hang loose or wide from there. I do see some suggestion of ease by the 16th century, so certainly Melanie's method makes more sense for the period she's working in. By then, though, many new tailoring methods had been introduced, and the entire approach to garment construction was different than it had been a century or two earlier. (I haven't looked closely enough at Arnold's books to determine what the status of sleeve ease was on the garments she examined, as this doesn't represent was was done in my own period of interest.) My method for setting the sleeve into the armhole mostly involves matching up the seam lines and ignoring the seam allowances, and then clipping curves and trimming close. The setting-in process is easiest done by hand, and sometimes I adjust the armhole or sleeve seam(s) to compensate if I misjudged the curve of the sleeve piece. The curves are dynamic enough that a tightening or expansion of even 1/8 inch can make a dramatic difference in the product, so there's lots of (literally!) wiggle room for adjusting to fit. Remember that the fabrics used were very flexible, too, particularly on curves. Paper patterns and numerical measurements do not account for the flexibility provided by curved edges, springy fabrics, and hand-basting. The sleeve cap itself is very shallow and wide compared to modern, and the highest part falls at the upper back of the shoulder, about two or three inches behind the shoulder line, while the deepest part of the opposite curve falls at the lower front of the armpit, about two or three inches forward of the body's side seam. The armhole is also very small, and cut very close to the underarm; if you cut it even a bit too low, you lose range of motion. You mention the garments on Marc's page. If you mean the Greenland sleeves, note also that many of them had at least one inserted triangular gusset. In analyzing several of the Greenland gowns, I found that, for those cases at least, the sleeve pieces were the same width as the gore pieces, which was half the width of the body pieces, suggesting a logical cutting layout that generated rectangles and triangles that were then shaped into body, gore, and sleeve components. When the width of the sleeve-rectangle was not as wide as the sleeve needed to be, the gusset made up the difference. The use of the gusset would also make fitting a breeze. I would guess that the sleeve-piece was set in without ease, leaving a gap where it came short, and the gusset was cut to fit the gap. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 21:50:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09029 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:50:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M3P3F27906; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:25:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M3P0T16796; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M3OjT16730 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:24:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id TAA25438 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:42:10 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201220342.TAA25438@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] sillly corset tale Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:42:10 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > > > >They were my 11th thru 15th corsets. We designed the patterns right on the > >wearers. IMHO, the only way to do it. After you've done a few others, first! > >OK, we looked at a few real ones in museums & in vintage clothing dealer > >collections and a field trip to some vintage clothing dealers show in SF > >(where the bride lived). Maybe even looked at Norah Waugh's book. > >--cin > > Ah, thanks, I was wondering. I've made up a couple of Victorian corsets > from the Laughing Moon pattern, but hadn't seen any Edwardian (ca. > 1900-1910) corset patterns for sale. I've drafted 18th c. stays directly > on the customer, but haven't tried doing that for later period corsets. Is > it difficult? Do you start with a sloper, or...? Hmm, I must be missing posts again, or getting them in mixed-up order. Past Patterns makes an Edwardian Corset pattern that works fine. It was, in fact, the first corset I ever made, though I'd done ren faire bodices before that. If your client isn't hourglass-shaped to start with, you may need to do some tinkering with the side pieces. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 22:59:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09362 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:59:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M4X9F04431; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:33:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M4X1T06463; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe39.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.32.119]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M4WlT06341 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:32:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:32:45 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.24.227.37] From: "Gia Gavino" To: "Costume List" Subject: Re: [h-cost] money for costumes/barter MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1A2BA.C36B9930" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2002 04:32:45.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[D68858D0:01C1A2FD] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:32:36 -0800 Status: RO ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1A2BA.C36B9930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmm, where to snip? Well, the one time I've bartered, and it was for day= care, she did all the arranging dancing & swimming classes and the transp= orting to and from during the summer for my youngest. She did the babysitting last summer, so you see she was the one working o= n faith. And given I am going through a nasty divorce with major life in= terruptions, that was pretty hefty faith, on her part. The barter was my sewing 12th night garb out of fabric the gal chose from= my stash. And it worked! Can't believe it did! I got her dress done j= ust in time for the 12th night that happened on 1/10. The gown was cart= ridge pleated, besides. I felt it was a fair trade, and so did she. It can work, but as you say = if it didn't it could have put a real strain on the friendship. Gia/Giacinta ----- Original Message ----- From: Maggie Secara Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:05 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] money for costumes I'm probably being contrary to the good-feelings of this thread, but I ha= te working for barter. I find it much harder to compare my time/effort/mate= rials against someone elses. Five hours of sewing isn't the same kind of work a= s 5 hours of yard work, to my mind. So, how much IS? But the real trouble i= s, time or not, I sew (or have sewn) for others mainly because I needed the money= . I can't pay a bill with embroidery, or whatever trade is offered is somethi= ng I just don't need and wouldn't spend money to have someone do, no matter ho= w nice it would be to have. And finally, several times I've made arrangements f= or a trade, the other side of the trade never materialized, and that is hard o= n a friendship, too. ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1A2BA.C36B9930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
<= DIV>Hmm, where to snip?  Well, the one time I've bartered, and it wa= s for daycare, she did all the arranging dancing & swimming classes a= nd the transporting to and from during the summer for my younge= st. 
She did the babysitting last summer, so you see she was the= one working on faith.  And given I am going through a nasty divorce= with major life interruptions, that was pretty hefty faith, on her part.=
 
The barter was my sewing 12th night garb ou= t of fabric the gal chose from my stash.  And it worked!  Can't= believe it did!  I got her dress done just in time for the 12th nig= ht that happened on 1/10.   The gown was cartridge pleated, bes= ides.
 
I felt it was a fair trade, and so did=  she.  It can work, but as you say if it didn't it could have p= ut a real strain on the friendship.
 
 Gi= a/Giacinta
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----- Original Message -----
From: Maggie Secara
Sent: Monday= , January 21, 2002 11:05 AM
To:<= /B> h-costume@indra.com
Subject:= RE: [h-cost] money for costumes
 
I'm probably = being contrary to the good-feelings of this thread, but I hate
working= for barter.  I find it much harder to compare my time/effort/materi= als
against someone elses. Five hours of sewing isn't the same kind of= work as 5
hours of yard work, to my mind.  So, how much IS? = ; But the real trouble is, time
or not, I sew (or have sewn) for other= s mainly because I needed the money.  I
can't pay a bill with emb= roidery, or whatever trade is offered is something I
just don't need a= nd wouldn't spend money to have someone do, no matter how nice
it woul= d be to have.  And finally, several times I've made arrangements for= a
trade, the other side of the trade never materialized, and that is = hard on a
friendship, too.
------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1A2BA.C36B9930-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 23:27:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09453 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:27:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M524F06546; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:02:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M521T14128; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0M51gT14050 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:01:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 29715 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2002 05:01:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.235.63) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2002 05:01:44 -0000 Message-ID: <3C4CF276.4C12F9F6@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:02:46 -0600 Status: RO A few more thoughts in response to Robin's wonderful descriptions: First, I neglected to mention that the shallower the curve on a sleeve cap, the less ease is needed. Second, if you're using wool, the elasticity of the fabric itself may provide all the spring you need to get a smooth line over the shoulder. So with a shallower earlier-period curve in wool, I could see how you could do without ease as Robin says. One might encounter difficulties, however, in plain cotton or other fabrics with no give, depending on how steep the curve of the sleeve cap is. A fitted sleeve on a fitted bodice in cotton with no ease over the sleeve cap tends to pull in unattractive ways when you put it on a body. Just my experience. > I see no indication of the use of ease or any puffiness of the sleeve head > from the introduction of the set-in sleeve (about 1330) to well into the > 15th century. Observation: one can have a bit of ease with no puffiness at all. Question: do we have exact enough information to be able to tell whether or not there was ease in the 14th or 15th centuries? I'm talking about 1/2" to 3/4", which is not at all visible in looking at a garment. The only way to tell would be to carefully measure an extant garment that had been taken apart. Since wool is so forgiving, even looking at a set-in sleeve on an extant piece might be deceiving, as the ease can just disappear into the sponginess of the wool. I'd love to have more information on this. Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 23:28:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09459 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:28:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M534F06697; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:03:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M531T14446; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M52rT14389 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:02:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2058.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.58]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20528 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:02:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3C4CF1C7.4C1F790F@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Re: [YeMerrieGreenwoodList] Knitting Patterns References: <200201211849.KAA15248@pageartists.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:59:51 -0500 Status: RO Hi. I can probably help with some knitted items. It depends on what period we are talking about (Henrican or Elizabethan English) and how the person defines "beginner". The items in question are historical redactions of existing archaeological finds, and may not be applicable for RenFaire usage. Mike T. Brenna Sharp wrote: > If anyone can help this person, please do so by > replying directly to her as she is (obviously) not on > this list. She gave permission for me to forward her > request here. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 21 23:37:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09484 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:37:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M5B5F07474; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:11:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M5B1T16694; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M5AFT16464 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:10:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.127] (as3-4-141.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.127]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0M5AEw20703 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:10:14 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:25:06 -0800 Status: RO At 11:44 PM +0000 1/21/02, Jean Waddie wrote: >Hi list. > >I'm thinking about early set-in sleeves, prompted by a friend. I can >see from Marc's extant garment pages that they were using s-shaped >sleeve heads in the 14th century. Now, with modern curved sleeve heads, >you have to gather the top to ease it into the armhole. Is there any >evidence whether this was always done? Is it possible to make a set-in >sleeve fit without gathering? Or is there some way you don't need it on >a s-shaped sleeve but you do on a "sine-curve" one? My experience, in working up reproductions of garments of this type, is that you don't have any ease or gathering and they fit perfectly anyway. The shallower S-curve at the top of the sleeve means that the "undistorted" position for the sleeve (i.e. the one it would assume under zero gravity) is with the sleeves much more elevated towards the horizontal than for a modern cap sleeve. The more extreme shape of modern sleeves is designed so that the "undistorted" position is roughly with your arms down at your sides. Picture, if you will, a cylinder (i.e., your sleeve) intersecting a vertical plane (an approximation for the garment). If you set the cylinder horizontal (arms straight out to your sides), it will intersect the plane perpendicular to the sleeve axis, producing a perfectly circular cross-section, this is the equivalent of a completely unshaped sleeve and armscye. The top of your sleeve is a straight line and is the smallest possible sewing line for attachment to the garment. Now drop your arms/cylinder to a 45 degree angle. The cylinder intersects your body-plane at an angle, with an elliptical cross section. If you flatten out your cylinder, the top edge will form a sine-wave, and the length of the stitch "path" will be significantly longer than the preceding example. All with the exact same "arm" size. The further you drop your arms/cylinder towards the vertical, the more elongated your elliptical cross-section will be, and the longer your stitch-path will become ... except that now the top end of your hypothetical sleeve intersects the plane of your garment somewhere over your head. So instead you take the upper part of the sleeve-cross-section-ellipse and crumple it down onto your actual shoulder, i.e., gather or ease the top of the sleeve. I.e., the gathering is primarily a function of the angle at which the sleeve is designed to sit "naturally", and has nothing to do with fit in an absolute sense. Heather (see -- geometry _was_ useful!) -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 00:17:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09559 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:17:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M5o5F10503; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:50:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M5o1T27480; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M5nST27377 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:49:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27035 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:05:19 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head In-Reply-To: <3C4CF276.4C12F9F6@faucet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:05:19 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Melanie and I agree on essentially all counts. Some elaborations follow: > First, I neglected to mention that the shallower the curve on a sleeve > cap, the less ease is needed. Second, if you're using wool, the > elasticity of the fabric itself may provide all the spring you need to > get a smooth line over the shoulder. So with a shallower > earlier-period curve in wool, I could see how you could do without > ease as Robin says. Yes. That shallow cap is vital; the corresponding increase in width allows for the fit over the upper arm that would otherwise be achieved with ease. (Heather's description of the math behind this is wonderful.) Wool is of course perfect. Linen is also very flexible, and I have done the same with silk (with increased difficulty, but you need the *right* silk). > One might encounter difficulties, however, in plain cotton or other > fabrics with no give, depending on how steep the curve of the sleeve > cap is. A fitted sleeve on a fitted bodice in cotton with no ease over > the sleeve cap tends to pull in unattractive ways when you put it on a > body. Just my experience. Mine too. It took me years to realize that the fitting problems I struggled with most only occurred when I was using cotton. Eventually I gave up using cotton and even cotton blends, and those fitting problems magically disappeared. One more likely reason why medieval people did not generally use cotton for clothes, even when they were happily using it for bed hangings and cushions and embroidery grounds. > > I see no indication of the use of ease or any puffiness of the sleeve head > > from the introduction of the set-in sleeve (about 1330) to well into the > > 15th century. > > Observation: one can have a bit of ease with no puffiness at all. > Question: do we have exact enough information to be able to tell > whether or not there was ease in the 14th or 15th centuries? I'm > talking about 1/2" to 3/4", which is not at all visible in looking at a > garment. The only way to tell would be to carefully measure an extant > garment that had been taken apart. Since wool is so forgiving, even > looking at a set-in sleeve on an extant piece might be deceiving, as the > ease can just disappear into the sponginess of the wool. I was thinking specifically of the puffiness as my visual clue. Heather is the expert on extant garments, and I trust her assessment on that. But Melanie is right that some inconsistency in measurement between armhole and sleeve edge would probably be indistinguishable, particularly after the armhole molds to the wearer. My guess, though, just on the basis of my own experience in fitting without patterns, is that any such discrepancy would occur as a natural process of handling the fabric and pushing/pulling it into place, and was less likely to have been a result of a conscious decision to "cut the sleeve cap larger and gather it in to distribute the excess," which suggests a pre-planned approach. In general, I have a strong suspicion that medieval clothing construction was highly idiosyncratic; that different seamstresses developed their own variants on techniques within a general framework of standard practice; and that there were few rules of what was "correct" or "good" practice. Today, we learn in sewing classes that there are certain ways to measure, stitch, clip, turn, press, alter, etc., and we learn certain conventions for everything from which side the buttons go on to how large the seam allowances should be. I can't imagine that there would have -- could have -- been such formality in medieval practice. Certain techniques were clearly prized (e.g. small even stitches) and certain approaches were clearly more workable from a practical aspect (e.g. buttonholes should be placed perpendicular to the fabric edge). But in any case where there is more than one workable approach (e.g. seam finishes), you can reasonably expect more than one approach to have been used. So, maybe some seamstresses found it useful to work a little extra fabric invisibly into their sleeve caps. And others probably did not. Because a fit-it-on-the-body approach makes it easy to do the latter without much trouble, I would seriously doubt that intentional ease was anything near a standard practice. And of course that's just my own guess! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 00:53:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09618 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:53:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M6S5F12916; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:28:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M6S0T06821; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M6RnT06780 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:27:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27176 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:43:40 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:43:40 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > My experience, in working up reproductions of garments of this type, > is that you don't have any ease or gathering and they fit perfectly > anyway. The shallower S-curve at the top of the sleeve means that the > "undistorted" position for the sleeve (i.e. the one it would assume > under zero gravity) is with the sleeves much more elevated towards the > horizontal than for a modern cap sleeve. This idea of the elevated "undistorted" position conforms to my own sense, both from practical experience and from looking at images of extant garments. Heather, you've seen a lot more than I have of the latter, so I have a related question for you. Can you tell us whether the "undistorted" position tends to place those elevated arms forward to some degree, rather than straight out to the sides? What I've found in practice is that if I'm going to fit fabric closely to some area of the body, I need to move that body part to the mid-position of its typical range of motion. For instance, if I want to do a long fitted sleeve, I bend the arm halfway between fully flexed and completely straight. If I fit to that position, there is room in the elbow for the arm to both flex completely and straighten completely. (If I fit the fabric to a straight arm, there is not enough room to bend it fully; if I fit to a fully bent arm, then straightening is difficult.) Elevating the arm near to the horizontal, as you describe, follows the same logic for the shoulder, and I've found in practice that fitting to that default position works well in allowing for range of arm motion both up and down. So I would expect also for the default position to place the arms extended forward to some degree, not straight out to the sides. The range of motion on that plane goes from hugging yourself (at one extreme) to throwing your arms back (at the other extreme). But a person's arms don't really bend very far back; the extreme is only barely behind holding your arms straight out to the sides. I find that if I fit someone with their arms straight out to the sides, I don't get enough fabric across the back of the shoulder to allow for full movement to the front. I have better luck with a default position of the arms elevated not quite to horizontal, and forward somewhat but not quite straight ahead. That means the height of the sleeve cap shifts back a bit from the top of the shoulder, placing the most fabric where the back of the shoulder will expand when you hug yourself. The deepest dip of the curve is at the opposite point of the circle, at the lower front armpit, forward of the side seam, which happens to be the point on the circle that needs the least degree of stretch during natural arm movement. I would surmise this placement of the high and low points of the sleeve curve is what is going on with the Greenland gowns, but Norlund's writeup leaves out the crucial issue of how the sleeve is placed within the armhole, i.e. the degree of rotation. The most he gave us was the clue that the gussets were in back, but there's still a lot of room for variation on that. > The further you drop your arms/cylinder towards the vertical, the > more elongated your elliptical cross-section will be, and the longer > your stitch-path will become ... except that now the top end of your > hypothetical sleeve intersects the plane of your garment somewhere > over your head. So instead you take the upper part of the > sleeve-cross-section-ellipse and crumple it down onto your actual > shoulder, i.e., gather or ease the top of the sleeve. For an interesting alternative approach based on the default position of the vertical arm, in which the arm-cylinder is parallel to the body plane, check out the cut of Romulan clothes in Star Trek (Next Gen and DS9). I was always impressed at how the costume designer came up with a logical shoulder construction that was quite distinct from standard European cut, and IIRC, it appears in all the Romulan clothing, as though it were the standard technique in that culture. This cut helps define the overall "boxy" feel of Romulan style. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 01:25:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09704 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:25:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M706F14341; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:00:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M701T14029; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M6xET13757 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:59:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-118.frys.com [66.121.20.118]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0M6vIr28179 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:57:18 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020121224641.00d458a0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin for gloves In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:49:12 -0800 Status: RO >Tandy's leather used to cary this stuff in their stores. Look in their >catalog. (I'd actually look for that 'skiver' stuff, used for >linings.) I'd get 2 square feet or slightly more, and that would be >enough for my big hands. Get 3 just to be sure, and allow for things like >cuffs. >Does anyone know of a source for real kid (young goat, not child) for >glovemaking? And can anyone tell me how much I'd need, maximum, for a >pair of gloves for unknown hands? > >The kid is being purchased, assuming I can find a source, as a prize for >an SCA glovemaking competition. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 01:58:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09820 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:58:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M7X6F16567; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:33:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M7X1T20947; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M7WgT20859 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:32:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([213.107.35.171]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020122073245.IWEB8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@master>; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:32:45 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: "jadetenshi" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Re: [YeMerrieGreenwoodList] Knitting Patterns CC: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <3C4D159C.27411.2D9886@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200201211849.KAA15248@pageartists.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:32:44 -0000 Status: RO On 21 Jan 2002 at 10:49, Brenna Sharp wrote: > > From: "jadetenshi" > > Subject: period knitting patterns > > > > To the knitters of the group or anyone who would know > about this... > > > > Does anyone know of any period knitting patterns I > find, or what key > > words to look under, or what kind of knitted > garment/item is > > acceptable at the time. > -Lori Irwin HI Lori, I'm not sure what period you're working with, but I'd recommend a book called "A History of Hand Knitting" by Richard Rutt. Published by Batsford, ISBN 0-7134-5118-1 It includes what he says is the oldest extant knitting pattern, from 1655, for a pair of hose. And the rest of the book is very, very good! There's lots of knitting earlier than that, much of it beautiful, and a great overview of the whole subject. Just no patterns. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 02:03:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA09855 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:03:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M7c4F16864; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:38:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M7c0T22036; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M7b0T21822 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([213.107.35.171]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020122073703.IZHU8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@master>; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:37:03 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: "jadetenshi" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Re: [YeMerrieGreenwoodList] Knitting Patterns CC: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <3C4D159C.27411.2D9886@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200201211849.KAA15248@pageartists.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:32:44 -0000 Status: RO On 21 Jan 2002 at 10:49, Brenna Sharp wrote: > > From: "jadetenshi" > > Subject: period knitting patterns > > > > To the knitters of the group or anyone who would know > about this... > > > > Does anyone know of any period knitting patterns I > find, or what key > > words to look under, or what kind of knitted > garment/item is > > acceptable at the time. > -Lori Irwin HI Lori, I'm not sure what period you're working with, but I'd recommend a book called "A History of Hand Knitting" by Richard Rutt. Published by Batsford, ISBN 0-7134-5118-1 It includes what he says is the oldest extant knitting pattern, from 1655, for a pair of hose. And the rest of the book is very, very good! There's lots of knitting earlier than that, much of it beautiful, and a great overview of the whole subject. Just no patterns. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 03:54:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10266 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:54:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0M9T6F22183; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:29:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M9T0T15548; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f170.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.170]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0M9SpT15513 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:28:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:28:49 -0800 Received: from 216.26.62.88 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:28:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.26.62.88] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2002 09:28:49.0762 (UTC) FILETIME=[32FDA420:01C1A327] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:28:49 -0800 Status: RO >Jennifer, > > What do your bolt racks look like? I am about to get my sewing room >back-the one I had specially made with lots of florescent light in >"natural" >bulbs, and 8 electrical outlets, all on their own big circuit! I have >boxes, chests, and baskets of fabric and I can't use the floor to ceiling >2x6 with 3/4" doweling in between to hang fabric from in this room, so I'd >be fascinated to see how others solve the problem of having their fabric >visible, easily accessible and up out of the way. > >Regina Romsey > > Andrew (a man with the knack for making things with wood, like my rope bed for events) just measured the back wall of my two-car-tandem garage and built me 15" wide shelves the length of the wall and 36" apart. It gives me two full length (12') shelves for 60" fabric bolts and one on top for 45" bolts. He also mounted it to the studs in my wall so I never have to worry about tipping. Shop is kind of glorified for where I work, but I've sealed off my side from my husband's with plastic sheeting and added a heater. I have my two working machines on old desks and my mother's dining table to cut on. But I used to use a corner of my bedroom, so I'm thrilled to death to have room to work and not have to cut things out on my knees in the livingroom anymore!!! grins Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 05:11:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10520 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 05:11:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MAk6F24489; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:46:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MAk0T13170; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20710.mail.yahoo.com (web20710.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.183]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0MAjcT13118 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:45:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020122104542.13621.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web20710.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:45:42 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dorothy Dodderidge's Tomb Effigy To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:45:42 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Kate Living spitting distance from St Albans Abbey, I can check up on this but it doesn't ring a bell at the moment. If anyone want a picture of it I can easilt go and take on. Just let me know. Rachel --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > This style of effigy (leaning on one elbow) seems to > have been a fashion at the time. There's one > illustrated in the Cunnington 17th century book > (possibly the Exeter one? - book not to hand). When > I saw a similar effigy in Ludlow parish church > (Shropshire), I thought "oh, it's the one in the > book" but it isn't, she's on the other elbow! I > think there's also one in St. Albans Abbey. > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 06:22:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA10741 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 06:22:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MBv6F26979; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:57:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MBv0T26515; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MBuIT26250 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:56:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id DAA27741 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:58:16 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201221158.DAA27741@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:58:16 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > From: Robin Netherton [...] > What I've found in practice is that if I'm going to fit fabric closely to > some area of the body, I need to move that body part to the mid-position > of its typical range of motion. For instance, if I want to do a long > fitted sleeve, I bend the arm halfway between fully flexed and completely > straight. If I fit to that position, there is room in the elbow for the > arm to both flex completely and straighten completely. (If I fit the > fabric to a straight arm, there is not enough room to bend it fully; if I > fit to a fully bent arm, then straightening is difficult.) Okay, now you've got me curious. Are all these sleeves cut in one piece? Medieval is _not_ my period, so I'm thinking now. I know that at least from the Roccoco period down to victorian times, it was sometimes the custom to cut the sleeve in two pieces, with a seam at the top of the arm, and one on the bottom. The whole sleeve had a slightly curved shaped, instead of being cylindrical. The top seam of the sleeve was often rotated a little forward or back to give the sleeve the right amount of ease. How early did this technique start? I still feel that a two piece sleeve, curved or not, sometimes fits much better than a one piece one. But I really, really hate modern set-in sleeves, where there is often entirely too much ease at the sleeve cap. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 09:32:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21725 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:32:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MF79F08728; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:07:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MF70T16077; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MF6rT16025 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:06:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDDJRTGWAO00H9NM@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:09:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDDJRT4MKG00HO5I@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:09:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:03:59 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:03:16 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.76) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:03:10 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: sizes In-reply-to: <200201160235.g0G2ZCp04110@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1C208EB4991@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:03:10 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > My 12 year old daughter hasn't grown taller yet but has started to > fill out in the waist. She is just a bit chubby. I can't find > jeans hardly for her. The girls are to small and the misses/adults > have hips which she doesn't yet. Then buy her boys/mens ones instead..... they'll have the wider sizes without the hips. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 09:37:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21757 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:37:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MFB7F09363; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:11:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MFB1T18058; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MFApT17958 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:10:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDDJWR0IB400H9NM@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:13:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDDJWQRRQU00I8IZ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:12:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:07:58 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:07:43 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.76) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:07:33 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] ANOTHER farthingale question In-reply-to: <200201160235.g0G2ZCp04110@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1C21BE25D14@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:07:33 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >What I need to do however, is sort out some sort of quick and easy > >pattern for a farthingale that will fit a seven to ten year old. > > > > The easiest way to do this is to make a gored skirt. For a small > girl, you can probably get away with a two-gore, front and back, > cutting it from 45" fabric, but you can make more gores is you like. > If you want to be more accurate you can make straight front and back > pieces and give them triagular side gores a la the Alcega pattern. > Make sure you have at least 6-12" or so ease at the waist, so you can > gather it to a waist band, or use a drawstring, and adjust it as she > gets bigger and still have some gathering for the proper line. You'll > want to add about 4" extra length for the spring out from waist to > hem, in addition to those grow tucks. Thanks, Margo. I haven't got the tucks or boning in yet but I cut out a roughly Alcega- patterned version and plan to run with that (it has to be finished A.S.A.P as I leave for the event on Thursday morning and i haven't finish *my* outfit yet (and it's MY Coronation!!!) Teddy (about to to try cramming 3 days of sewing into a day.....!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 09:41:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21791 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:41:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MFG9F10038; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:16:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MFG1T20058; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MFFXT19892 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:15:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDDK1PZPN400I8Z9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:17:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDDK1G6Q3200I8IZ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:16:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:10:59 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:10:22 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.76) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:10:18 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs...OT. In-reply-to: <200201160235.g0G2ZCp04110@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1C22734508E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:10:18 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hi Henk, > ROTFL Teddy!!! You made my day! I love Victoria Wood, especially the > 'Dinner Ladies' and old 'Acorn Antiques' re-runs. They have me in > stitches. Glad to find a colleague in this, as overhere my wife finds > them mildly funny (and hard to understand...) and I have heard of > no-one else in Nederland who likes her. Am I abnormal? Or what? > > Incidentally: I like the Alan Bennett monologues as well as I do old > Stanley Holloway rants and Spike Milligan and the Goons. Oh well... I > must be peculiar. I don't think so. In addition to the Victoria Wood tapes, I have Goon Shows and Joyce Grenfell recordings kept by the casette player in my sewing room. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 09:45:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22454 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:45:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MFK6F10523; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:20:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MFK0T21652; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MFJlT21570 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:19:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA12949.; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:27:08 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:19:32 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] sillly corset tale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0MFJlT21570 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:19:26 +0000 Status: RO Reminds me of the time I was in a group who portrayed 18th cent. redcoats, using borrowed film costumes. On one occasion some non-reenactors had been lent uniforms and drafted in to act as casualties. As I passed one lying on the ground I swear he had his breeches on back to front! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> lindo@radix.net 01/21/02 11:39pm >>> At 09:43 AM 01/22/2002 +1100, you wrote: >Hmm I once saw a re-enactment of the fate of the Russain royal family in >which the costumer had put the daughters into corsets upside-down (with the >stocking clips jutting towards thier collars), > >-C. >(snort) That's too funny! What did he think the clips were for??? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 09:48:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23133 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:48:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MFN7F10872; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:23:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MFN1T22870; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MFMbT22718 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:22:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16563 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:22:42 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Foot shape study Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:22:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On another list, someone just referred to a study that found that people of Celtic and Anglo-Saxon descent have different foot shapes. Can anyone recall that study, and perhaps either tell me the results, or point me to a copy online? Thanks, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 09:54:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24281 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:54:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MFT6F11566; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:29:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MFT0T25659; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MFSjT25557 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:28:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDDKI3CHK000GML5@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:30:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDDKGOGXDA00HZY5@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:29:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:24:10 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:23:09 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.76) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:23:03 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] ANOTHER farthingale question In-reply-to: <200201160300.g0G304p13632@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1C25DB564BF@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:23:03 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Why not make it as is for her current height, with the ability to add > another hoop and its associated fabric on the bottom each time as she > grows? So when she is 16, her original farthingale will be the top > half of her latest one? Would that work, geometrically? That'd involve maths, wouldn't it? I steer well clear of anything involving maths! Teddy (an extra year at school to scrape-through with a pass on his maths exam....) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 10:07:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24375 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:07:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MFf7F12989; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:41:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MFf1T01703; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MFeQT01358 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:40:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDDKXBU1OG00H84V@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:42:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDDKXB8B0200I6DL@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:41:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:36:40 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:36:15 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.76) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:36:09 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seriously OT: British Food In-reply-to: <200201160511.g0G5B5p20751@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1C295A35DF8@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:36:09 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Teddy, I believe the floor is yours- > Grin, > Lady G Then I'll give it a quick mop over and keep well out of the way of those who know what they're doing in the food department. Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, Nearly-King of the Far-Isles, part-time Knave, Creature of air and darkness, and Hairdresser of Death apparently!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 10:28:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24503 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:28:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MG37F16080; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:03:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MG31T12337; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MG2tT12273 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:02:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDDLQ3XJO000GRE7@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:04:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDDLPXZ9ZM00H4MH@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:04:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:59:49 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:59:43 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.76) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:59:35 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: [h-cost] seriously OT British In-reply-to: <200201161344.g0GDi7p02701@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1C2F9CC7B15@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:59:35 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I hope you are joking. British food is wonderful, and > there is more to it than grease and fat! But the stuff with the grease and fat tastes far better than the stuff without... > Saying that one dish from a whole country is like coneming Germany > for having an unhealthy facination with Worst, or the French with > frogs legs. French bread - dreadful stuff - either it taaste's like cake or it's all crust and no inner. Neither are any good for spreading Marmite on.... Teddy (so finicky about food that someone's written a book about it) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 10:52:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24657 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:52:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MGR7F19436; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:27:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MGR1T25451; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f148.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MGQWT25227 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:26:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:26:32 -0800 Received: from 208.141.171.173 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:26:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.141.171.173] From: "Elizabeth Clark" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2002 16:26:32.0435 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D820C30:01C1A361] Subject: [h-cost] Sleeves Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:26:32 -0700 Status: RO The very nature of draping add the right amount of wearing ease to a garment, which must be calculated and estimated when flat-drafting. Personally, setting a high-cap sleeve, I don't use any sort of easing stitches; on wools, there can be nearly 3" of extra length in the sleeve cap before "puckers" will happen; linens and cottons do better with a bit less extra. I use careful pinning to distribute the "fullness" (which isn't really "full) exactly where it's needed, then after the sleeve is draped and removed, the seam line is steamed and "shrunk" a bit to fit smoothly. Then it's just a simple matter of stitching the seam. It's interesting to me that early sleeves were rotated forward in the armscye that way; it's still the practice in the 1860's, and it makes it very easy to get a nice range of motion. I hadn't realized that method had been used so much before. (Ah, the things we learn, lurking!) Regards, Elizabeth http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 11:11:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24755 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:11:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MGk7F22223; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:46:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MGk0T06117; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f196.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.196]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MGj7T05626 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:45:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:45:07 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.27 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:45:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.27] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2002 16:45:07.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[26252470:01C1A364] Subject: [h-cost] Plaid for romans? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:45:07 -0500 Status: RO A friend has suddenly decided that she wants to do Roman -- properly. Not just a "ohmygodIneedgarbquick!" outfit. I've pointed her to websites, books, etc, and she's off to a good start. But.... one question that I can't answer and so am posting here. ----- Okay, I have absolutely no documentation for this, nor can I find any, not that I am trying to be a period freak. I just want to make sure I am in the realm of possibility before I buy fabric. Do you know if the Roman's have patterned fabric aside from stripes (checks, perhaps)? ----- Does anyone know -- did Romans use anything besides stripes and solids? Parsla _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 11:38:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27349 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:38:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MHC8F26892; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:12:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MHC0T22019; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MHB1T21417 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:11:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDDO49ACCG00H8J3@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:12:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDDO3RJ02C00G1MD@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:12:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:07:23 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:07:00 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.76) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:06:52 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Toddler Tunics In-reply-to: <200201171355.g0HDtGR23028@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1C418DF366C@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:06:52 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Yes they did, but several SCA friends I know with little boys refuse > to dress them in "dresses" and make them wear little tunics and pants. > My son, now almost 3, will be getting pants for his third birthday, > as he is now working on potty training. A friend's son (who must be about 14 now) came to events in skirts until he was around four or five and "old enough" to have trunk-hose and doublets.... His outgrwn stuff was used by his little sister (including his first skirted doublet which had anels of contrasting fabric added like guards around the bottom to make them full-length skirts on her...) I've not really seen him since they moved away when he was seven, but I don't think it's done him any harm to be properly dressed for events as a toddler. He's coming to my coronation at the weekend, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what sort of a teenagers he and his sister have become. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 12:51:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27696 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:51:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MIQKF08186; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:26:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MIQ0T07376; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from c0mailgw01.prontomail.com ([209.185.149.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MIPKT07033 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:25:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from c2web16 (209.185.149.10) by c0mailgw01.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.5.042) id 3C4C86470003C00C for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:18:25 -0800 X-Version: Informail 6.2.2073.0 From: "Kimberly Tribe" Message-Id: X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Reed Boning Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:28:10 -0500 Status: RO I've just found a great source for reed boning. www.granndgarb.com has several sorts of reed (sizes/shapes) and I ordered the 1/4" flat oval reed (780 ft for $7.80US) -- and it's arrived today. The entire bundle weighs less than the steel needed to properly bone a single Elizabethan corset... *lol* It's only a little less stiff than the spring steel I'm accustomed to using (1/4" spring steel bones)... It's not nearly as brittle as I would have expected it to be, either. It's less than 1/8" thick -- about 1.5/16ths (awful fraction, I know), and bends well in either direction without damage. Just thought I'd share! =) Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 13:40:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30381 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:40:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MJF8F15020; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:15:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MJF1T05532; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from frankenstein.nwlink.com (pop.nwlink.com [209.20.130.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MJErT05378 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:14:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from asuscoh (ip157.usw19.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.235.157]) by frankenstein.nwlink.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0MJEwR22715 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:14:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from costumer@dendarii.org) Message-ID: <0c3101c1a376$12d1eae0$9debcacf@nwlink.com> From: "Susan" To: References: <20020121200126.79014.qmail@web20409.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edwardian corsets (was: sillly corset tale) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:50:13 -0800 Status: RO Hi, I have the past patterns one, but didn't use it when I went to make my edwardian corset. If you look at the instructions & cover, they have the boning running the wrong way. the one I used is from Victoria Lousie, Mercer, the P1999001 - 1901-1907 Edwardian Corset. And it worked well. Susan > > --- Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > > I've made up a couple > > of Victorian corsets > > from the Laughing Moon pattern, but hadn't seen any > > Edwardian (ca. > > 1900-1910) corset patterns for sale. > > -- Mara > > > > > Huh. I have (but have not yet made up, so don't ask) > the Past Patterns #106 "Edwardian Corset." The liner > notes, which I just skimmed through again, make a few > references to an "original" that they apparently based > the pattern on, but don't seem to specifically date > that original. The woman in the cover picture (a > period-looking line drawing) has that lovely Grecian > bend. I bought this pattern intending it to be the > foundation for a c. 1905 gown (not made yet, either). > I got it from Amazon D.G., but I expect you could get > it elsewhere as well. > > -Angela > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 14:53:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03142 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:53:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MKRAF26539; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:27:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MKR2T16192; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:27:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.wireweb.net ([64.243.192.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MKQST15868 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:26:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200201221420.AA2080702688@mail.wireweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Alexandria Doyle" X-Sender: To: X-Mailer: Subject: [h-cost] knitting again Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:20:52 -0600 Status: RO I have a questions regarding the knitting madonna's and other representations of knitting prior to 1600, when knitting in the round, how many needles were they using? Seems Americans use four needles (earliest ref is a 1943 knitting book), Europeans use five and I wonder when this split happened. Alexandria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 15:15:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03297 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:15:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MKn8F00368; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:49:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MKn1T29101; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MKmCT28689 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:48:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([213.107.35.171]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020122204817.FGSV8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:48:17 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] knitting again Message-ID: <3C4DD015.15143.13433A9@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200201221420.AA2080702688@mail.wireweb.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:48:21 -0000 Status: RO On 22 Jan 2002 at 14:20, Alexandria Doyle wrote: > I have a questions regarding the knitting madonna's and other > representations of knitting prior to 1600, when knitting in the round, > how many needles were they using? > > Seems Americans use four needles (earliest ref is a 1943 knitting > book), Europeans use five and I wonder when this split happened. RIchard Rutt's book says: "The pictures show that knitting was done in the round on four needles (though some of them could be interpreted as showing five-needle knitting)" Well, actually he says a great deal more than that, but the overall theme seems to be that the knitting madonnas of the fourteenth century were portrayed as usually using four, but sometimes five needles: one is mentioned as possibly using three (which sounds very awkward to me). He also mentions a picture from 1492 where five needles are being used. And there are far too many where the number of needles is very uncertain :( _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 16:12:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03516 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:12:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MLlAF09358; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:47:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MLl1T03233; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MLkKT02888 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:46:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.10e.b26b0b6 (30974) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:46:17 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <10e.b26b0b6.297f37a8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edwardian corsets (was: sillly corset tale) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10e.b26b0b6.297f37a8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:46:16 EST Status: RO --part1_10e.b26b0b6.297f37a8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/2002 2:16:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, costumer@dendarii.org writes: > I have the past patterns one, but didn't use it when I went to make my > edwardian corset. A wise decision. I hate that pattern. It is not the pattern depicted on the envelope. I bought it [expecting the cover illustration] and never used it. I ended up taking a pattern from a real corset of the period a friend had that DID look like the illustration. It was complicated. I have another Edwardian corset pattern that is easy as pie. It too is taken from an actual corset I found in the bottom of a trunk at a yard sale. It is in 4 pieces [each side] and lightly boned. Obviously not intended for evening wear but rather day wear or even sports wear. Gives one the shape, however. I put a bone between each existing bone to give it more.....er....bones. I'll send anyone a copy of it ....if I can find the thing. I remember lending the pattern to someone back during the "Titanic" craze but don't remember getting it back. I still have the corset though...somewhere in the bottom of a box. I just don't do that much Edwardian. Seriously....let me find it and I'll make copies....until it gets to be too much trouble that is. --part1_10e.b26b0b6.297f37a8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/2002 2:16:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, costumer@dendarii.org writes:


I have the past patterns one, but didn't use it when I went to make my
edwardian corset.  


A wise decision. I hate that pattern. It is not the pattern depicted on the envelope. I bought it [expecting the cover illustration] and never used it. I ended up taking a pattern from a real corset of the period a friend had that DID look like the illustration. It was complicated.

I have another Edwardian corset pattern that is easy as pie. It too is taken from an actual corset I found in the bottom of a trunk at a yard sale. It is in 4 pieces [each side] and lightly boned. Obviously not intended for evening wear but rather day wear or even sports wear. Gives one the shape, however. I put a bone between each existing bone to give it more.....er....bones.

I'll send anyone a copy of it ....if I can find the thing. I remember lending the pattern to someone back during the "Titanic" craze but don't remember getting it back. I still have the corset though...somewhere in the bottom of a box. I just don't do that much Edwardian.

Seriously....let me find it and I'll make copies....until it gets to be too much trouble that is. --part1_10e.b26b0b6.297f37a8_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 17:13:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04035 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:13:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MMm9F24372; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:48:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MMm1T13374; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MMljT13220 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:47:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-105.frys.com [66.121.20.105]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0MMjqr13788 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:45:52 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020122141412.00d4da30@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edwardian corsets (was: sillly corset tale) In-Reply-To: <0c3101c1a376$12d1eae0$9debcacf@nwlink.com> References: <20020121200126.79014.qmail@web20409.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:14:57 -0800 Status: RO Susan writes, in a message sent 10:50 AM 1/22/02 -0800: >Hi, >I have the past patterns one, but didn't use it when I went to make my >edwardian corset. If you look at the instructions & cover, they have the >boning running the wrong way. the one I used is from Victoria Lousie, >Mercer, the P1999001 - 1901-1907 Edwardian Corset. And it worked well. I made one from Norah Waugh's 'Corsets and Crinolines', and it needed almost no fitting on me. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 17:44:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04182 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:44:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MNJ9F01074; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:19:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MNJ1T03021; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MNIKT02572; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:18:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A2A740003D6; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:15:51 -0600 Message-ID: <001a01c1a39a$add9aea0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:14:55 -0500 Status: RO Here is the article that the Associated Press interviewed me for. I am quoted twice in the article, so look near the middle and near the end. The article should show up in your newspaper within the next two weeks in the fashion section. It went out on the AP wire on Jan. 21 to news sources around the world. Everyone please call your newspaper and ask them to run the article. If they do please save me a the entire page of the newspaper. I am making a large scrapbook of all the newspapers that run the article. Thanks, Penny Here is the article: SPECIAL EDITION Fashion: Patriotic and Pretty AP Photos NY700, NY701 By FRANCINE PARNES= For AP Special Edition= Patriotic red, white and blue clothing may be popular stateside in the new war era, but American women during World War II took their style cues from glamorous Hollywood. Besides yearning to look pretty, many felt that beauty was their duty. Ilene Beckerman, author of "Love, Loss and What I Wore" (Algonquin, 1995), a memoir of her wardrobe through the decades, remembers the era. "Young women tried to look glamorous during the war years, even though there were so few men around. Maybe it was because women were supposed to keep the home fires burning. Maybe it was because they didn't want to forget romance. The smallest thing could lift your spirits, like high heels." Born in 1935, Beckerman was too young for pumps but coveted them nonetheless. "I always wanted to have a pink fluffy bed jacket like Claudette Colbert would wear in the movies," says Beckerman, from Hampton, N.J. "And fancy house slippers with high heels and pompoms in the front, preferably in pink also." Girls grew up fast. "Even my 15-year-old sister _ her real name was Blossom but everybody called her Tootsie _ tried to be glamorous," says Beckerman, who was raised in Manhattan. "She had gold high-heeled platforms with ankle straps like Ann Sheridan would wear in the movies. My sister woulddo her hair in pompadours and put on her gold shoes and try to get into a USO Canteen on 65th Street to give coffee and doughnuts to soldiers and sailors," Beckerman says. "She never made it because you had to be 18." "It was not as if glamour went out the window during World War II," says Harold Koda, curator of the Costume Institute at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in Manhattan. "Women felt it was a social responsibility to continue to make an effort in how they dressed, as inspiration for the men overseas. It was very much like after the Sept. 11 attacks when the mayor of New York City and the governor of New York stated that one of the more heroic acts for the general population was to carry on with a stiff upper lip, as if things were going on as usual when in fact we were in crisis. In the '40s, it was patriotic and a kind of psychological resistance, saying life goes on." It was not surprising that Hollywood glamour pervaded the fashion forefront, says Penny E. Dunlap Ladnier, owner of http://www.costumegallery.com, an instructional fashion Web site. "When Paris was bombed in 1940, the fashion design houses shut down. Without the fashion designers to tell women what to wear, women turned to movie stars to influence their fashions," says Ladnier of Chesterfield, Va. "A line of sewing patterns called Hollywood Patterns was sold throughout the 1940s. Women wanted to start wearing exactly what the stars wore." Still, this was the era of substitute materials, when fabric rationing led to shorter and narrower skirts. "Before World War II, nylons cost a little over $1," says Beckerman. "During the war, they cost $20 on the black market. Instead of real stockings, my mother, my older sister and most of the women in the city who cared about how they looked used leg makeup, a liquid that came in a small bottle. They spent lots of time putting it on, being careful not to get any on the bedspread. Their hands got all yucky and they had to stay still until their legs dried. Then they'd take a brown eyebrow pencil and make a seam up the back, trying to get it as straight as possible. My mother could only afford Woolworth's leg makeup. The color was so orange it didn't fool anyone." Rain did not help matters. With rationing, hats became smaller; sometimes even whimsical."They became more like ornaments than full hats," says Koda. "It was as if the garnish of the hat became the hat itself." Rationing also affected wool, important for the military, says Koda. "The need to conserve fabric provoked design innovations and constructions. Designers began to explore interesting seaming and piecing, rather than relying on heavy fabric," says Koda. "Applique and patch pockets were precluded because there was a general rule of thumb, you did not put fabric on fabric because that was wasteful. And when zippers and buttons were rationed, (designer) Claire McCardell used old brass shoe hooks as closures. They became a design feature." For many, fashion came through garments that had multiple uses. Pamela Smith, Ridgewood, N.J.-based author of "The Official Price Guide to Vintage Fashion and Fabrics" (House of Collectibles, $17 paperback), cites one innovative dress by McCardell. "Designed in 1942 as an all-purpose house dress, it was immensely popular, in topstitched denim with large pockets, wrap front, and attached oven mitt," she says. Despite all the restrictions, wedding gowns were readily available in stores, often in rayon crepe-backed satin, the most popular bridal fabric, says Nancy Eaton in Nokomis, Fla., next to Venice. "Even materials like cotton eyelet were used toward the mid-1940s," says Eaton, author of "Your Vintage Wedding" (HarperCollins, $26.95 hardcover). "But because so many wartime weddings were hastily produced affairs arranged on short notice _ for example, right before the groom was shipped overseas, or while he was on furlough _ quite a few brides opted for informal weddings, wearing dressy suits or dresses instead of formal gowns," she says. "If I had to pick one quintessential image of a World War II-era wedding, it would show a bride in a suit and a groom in uniform." With factory work came trousers for women. "Working women started wearing coveralls and pants to work for safety reasons," says Ladnier. "Many women were working with heavy machinery, and climbing in and out of spaces, making dresses impractical. Women decided that they liked wearing pants and started wearing them outside of work situations." Again Hollywood led the way. "Marlene Dietrich was often pictured wearing slacks in movie books like Photoplay and Modern Screen but they only showed her from the front," says Beckerman. "My mother always gave women who wore pants in the street the once-over. She'd say, 'Don't those women know what they look like from the back?' Very few women looked like Marlene from any angle." Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 18:05:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04270 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:05:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MNe9F04354; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:40:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MNe1T14525; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MNdcT14348 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:39:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.80.1661de63 (25307) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:39:31 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: <80.1661de63.297f5233@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_80.1661de63.297f5233_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10555 Subject: [h-cost] Re: sizes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:39:31 EST Status: RO --part1_80.1661de63.297f5233_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/02 1:03:04 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > I am just going to make her some. For awhile I did by the both the same brands, my son and daughter, so that he could where them after she out grew them. The styles are different in the boys stuff now. There are some she might wear but some our way out there styles. It is just easier to make them. Kelly m311@aol.com --part1_80.1661de63.297f5233_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/02 1:03:04 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


Then buy her boys/mens ones instead


I am just going to make her some.  For awhile I did by the both the same brands, my son and daughter, so that he could where them after she out grew them.  The styles are different in the boys stuff now.  There are some she might wear but some our way out there styles.  It is just easier to make them.
Kelly
m311@aol.com --part1_80.1661de63.297f5233_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 18:19:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04298 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:19:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MNq9F05601; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:52:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MNq1T20335; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MNpuT20297 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:51:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16TAhP-000GKP-0Y; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:52:01 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: graemenott@hotmail.com From: Jean Waddie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Subject: [h-cost] Viking tunic pattern from Haithabu Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:29:26 +0000 Status: RO Dear list, I am forwarding this query from a friend. I hope some of you find it interesting and can maybe shed some light on these very odd-looking finds. (For those not so immersed in this period, Haithabu may be more familiar as Hederby) Many thanks, JEan I and a friend in Australia have beenresearching some of the textile (wool) finds from Haithabu with the view to making a tunic based on them. These finds were published by Inga Hägg (I. Hägg, Die Textilfunde aus dem Hafen von Haithabu. Berichte über dieAusgrabungen in Haithabu, Bericht 20. Neumünster: Karl Wachholz Verlag, 1984.) with not too much info on how and why the fragments were integrated into a costume. There is a tunic on a dummy at the Wikinger Museum Haithabu that is based on the finds. The finds are from several different pieces of fabric and so may not of been in the same tunic, in fact probably not. These finds have some very interesting features (eg slits in the gores to reach your pouch, curved sholder/arm cutouts) but one of the most curious is Hägg saying that there is a horizontal seam around the waist. Other examples of this in this time period are exceedingly rare (the Viborg tunic has a false seam around the front and back). Unfortunately Hägg doesn't elaborate on why she believes there to be this seam although it is important to note that both sholder pieces (one front and one back origionally joined with a sholder seam) have the warp horizontal. This in itself is rather odd. So my questions are; - Has anyone got any references to other tunics (up to ~13th cent) that have horizontal waist seams? - If there is no waist seam then there must be single pieces hanging from the sholder to the hem front and back (the gores had their warps approx. vertical as is usual). Has anyone any ideas on whether this is likely and what problems may be encounted in doing this? As far was we see there is only a couple of alternatives 1. Hägg wrongly identified the warp threads in the fragments (I wouldn't think this is very likely). 2. The front and back hung in one piece from sholder to hem with the warp horizontal (if so, a peice of fabric about 90cm wide would be needed). Why on earth would someone make it like that? 3. That due to limitations in the amount of fabric available (or some other reason), the upper and lower portions of the tunic were different with the two being joined by a waist seam. Your views and thoughts on these questions and alternatives would be greatly appreciated. You can contact me directly at graemenott@hotmail.com Cheers, Graeme -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 19:10:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04487 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:10:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N0jCF11640; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:45:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N0j1T12873; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13908.mail.yahoo.com (web13908.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0N0iJT12590 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:44:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020123004425.67283.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.0.223.241] by web13908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:44:25 PST From: Megan McConnell Subject: Re: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001a01c1a39a$add9aea0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:44:25 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Great article, Penny! And nice to see your quotes there as well. Megan --- Penny Ladnier wrote: > Here is the article that the Associated Press > interviewed me for. I am > quoted twice in the article, so look near the middle > and near the end. ===== Megan McConnell ICQ: 57164109 "When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, "She's so charming." I want them to say, "Be careful, I think she's armed." -G. 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Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 19:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04647 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:59:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N1Y9F16612; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:34:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N1Y0T00781; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N1XhT00687 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:33:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0N1Y1HZ002262 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:34:02 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] giving up costumes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3C46FF0D.7080507@post12.tele.dk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:35:09 -0800 Status: RO Hello all! I am overwhelmed by your kind conserns about my situation. It is so kind of you all to write all those good thoaghts MANY THANKS :-) Well i wont give up doing it, it is just i wont do it cheap for others anymore! I know that there will be much less to do this way, but then i have thoaght that i would start to make historical fashion dolls. Give the costumes real miniature lace and embroidery and then try to sell it on ebay. Another thing i could do is making lace hankerchiefs and sell them on ebay. Tere i can put a minimum bit to it and be sure to get a reasonable price. Barjne, I think you will find a market. I remember that my going away gift to myself when I left Germany was 1 yard of antique handmade gold lace. It's about 6" wide and I found a whole packet of it in Wuertzburg along with narrower (cheaper too) versions. I paid $100 for it and was very happy. I'm not even a lace addict! Regina Romsey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 20:51:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04819 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:51:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N2QAF22559; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:26:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N2Q1T17494; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N2PoT17427 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:25:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.197.17cb410 (25309) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:25:50 -0500 (EST) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <197.17cb410.297f792e@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Subject: [h-cost] Roman plaid Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:25:50 EST Status: RO <> The Etruscans, who predated the Romans, and from whom the Romans borrowed many clothing ideas were fond of plaid, as were the "Barbarian" tribes of the time. It is very conceivable that the Romans borrowed the idea, like most of their other ones from those they conquered. However, to my knowledge there is no research available which shows a Roman figure in plaid. Cheryl Odom _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 21:32:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04927 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:32:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N37AF26989; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:07:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N371T29737; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N36hT29662 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:06:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.162]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020123030646.RQVQ759.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:06:46 -0600 Message-ID: <3C4E2875.8010807@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: figgy pudding, British food References: <106.bd333fb.297cbfee@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:05:25 -0600 Status: RO Now that you all have started talking about this, I remember my mother making "plumb pudding". Every Christmas she would put the basic "cake makings" in a huge bowl, then add candied fruit, and molasses. I especially remember her yelling at me for dipping my finger in the batter. She would put it in coffee cans (not the huge ones) and cover them with aluminum foil then put them in a huge retangular steamer. I think she could get like 6 or 8 in that thing. The only thing I could never figure out is why it was called "Plumb" pudding, when there where no plumbs in it. *L* AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/20/02 1:11:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, > LalahTT@aol.com writes: > > >> Sounds a lot like the plum pudding my family always has for >> Christmas. But ours isn't cooked in a mold. It is packed into >> cheese cloth and suspended in a steamer and steamed for hours. It >> ends up being pretty much of a round shape and is wonderful with a >> hard sauce made with confectioners sugar, butter and rum. > > > > Steamed puddings can be cooked in a mold or wrapped in fabric. > Special pudding molds have lids, or you can improvise one with a can > and foil for a lid. > Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 22:05:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05041 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:05:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N3dAF29797; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:39:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N3d1T08698; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N3cdT08595 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:38:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:38:40 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EBF@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] YSL's last couture collection Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:38:39 -0800 Status: RO The master retires this summer. http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/01/22/yves.farewell/index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 22:10:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05093 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:10:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N3jAF00444; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:45:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N3j2T10322; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0N3iwT10290 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:44:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 24389 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2002 03:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.237.55) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2002 03:45:05 -0000 Message-ID: <3C4E31FD.86B075C9@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head References: <200201221158.DAA27741@gw.retro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:46:05 -0600 Status: RO Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > > it was sometimes the custom to cut the sleeve in two pieces, with a > seam at the top of the arm, and one on the bottom. The whole sleeve > had a slightly curved shaped, instead of being cylindrical. The top > seam of the sleeve was often rotated a little forward or back to give > the sleeve the right amount of ease. How early did this technique > start? At least as early as the sixteenth century. You can see several doublet sleeves along these lines in Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion 1560-1620. Most of them are dated 1600-1615, but if they were doing it in 1600, they were probably doing it in 1599 as well. There's also the kirtle dated 1570-80 that has a two-piece sleeve. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 23:17:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05280 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:17:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N4qAF06375; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:52:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N4q0T29923; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N4pDT29688 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:51:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.185]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0N41PZ19330 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:01:25 +1100 Message-ID: <032201c1a3c9$6e166540$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: <197.17cb410.297f792e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman plaid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:50:04 +1100 Status: RO I haven't seen any either Cheryl. I have, however, seen textile pieces that have woven checks of different spun directions, but the same colour done as a striped/checked pattern, so it would give a change in light-reflectiveness(?). Parsla, These types of stripes are the only ones I've seen that are throughout the fabric. The others are decorative stripes vertically on the front, or horizontally near the hem, rather than coloured stripes through the garment. There are sometimes gold thread woven as a dociration through the whole fabric, but these would only be small amounts of thread every now and then, rather than 1:1 stripes. The books I use for Roman textiles are Vol III of the Vindolanda Research reports (north of England) and the NESAT reports (there's an article in NESAT6 - Textiles in European Archaeology of French finds - only 1 checked piece in Gallic-France found!). I haven't got any resources from Rome itself, but these people would be the more likely to have more checked-style cloth. Maybe the fashion-conscious thought that the checks were 'sooo rustic'. Also, the tabby weave wasn't the only weave used by the Romans. They used patterned tabby, basket-weave pattern, all sorts of twills - straight, diamond, chevron,herringbone in varying combinations - 2/2; 3/3; 2/1 etc etc. A good website is http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/clothing.html for men's clothing and http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/clothing2.html for women's. One good thing about Roman clothing - it's dead easy to make. BTW: For women's clothing if it's to be worn in the heat - use natural cloth only - any polyester type content will make the wearer feel like they're in a sauna! Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 1:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] Roman plaid > < not that I am trying to be a period freak. I just want to make sure I am > in the realm of possibility before I buy fabric. Do you know if the > Roman's have patterned fabric aside from stripes (checks, perhaps)?>> > > The Etruscans, who predated the Romans, and from whom the Romans borrowed > many clothing ideas were fond of plaid, as were the "Barbarian" tribes of the > time. It is very conceivable that the Romans borrowed the idea, like most of > their other ones from those they conquered. However, to my knowledge there > is no research available which shows a Roman figure in plaid. Cheryl Odom > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 22 23:52:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05386 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:52:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N5RAF09139; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:27:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N5R0T10340; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N5Q2T10019 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:26:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9531860138; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:25:39 -0600 Message-ID: <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:24:08 -0500 Status: RO LOL!!! Go take this color test... and learn more about yourself. http://www.colorgenics.com/intro.html The first color in the test pick as your favorite color to wear. I took the whole test in order of preference of the colors that I like to wear. Will Teddy's fan club pick orange first????? <<>> Hmmmm.... seems I am laid back according to the test. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 00:07:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05440 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:07:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N5g9F10295; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:42:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N5g0T14345; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N5f9T14123 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:41:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQDMGS00.N2A for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:41:16 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:37:24 -0800 Status: RO The orange didn't come out very nice on my monitor. I tried it twice, once starting with the green, once with the blue. Interesting, but hitting about the same level of accuracy as a sun sign horoscope analysis. Still, I always love a new personality test :) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Penny Ladnier > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 9:24 PM > To: h-costume > Subject: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test > > > LOL!!! Go take this color test... and learn more about yourself. > http://www.colorgenics.com/intro.html The first color in the test pick as > your favorite color to wear. I took the whole test in order of preference > of the colors that I like to wear. Will Teddy's fan club pick orange > first????? <<>> > > Hmmmm.... seems I am laid back according to the test. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 00:12:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05471 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:12:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N5l9F10625; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:47:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N5l0T15794; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.89]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N5ktT15768 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:46:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from cx181913a ([68.10.136.230]) by femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020123054703.XJCK5017.femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cx181913a> for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:47:03 -0800 Message-ID: <002a01c1a3d2$863eb240$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> From: "Linda Rice" To: References: <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:55:12 -0500 Status: RO Wow, that's cool! The music is kinda scary tho. I kept waiting for Regis to ask me if that was 'my final answer'. Linda Virginia Beach, Va. USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Penny Ladnier LOL!!! Go take this color test... and learn more about yourself. http://www.colorgenics.com/intro.html The first color in the test pick as your favorite color to wear. I took the whole test in order of preference of the colors that I like to wear. Hmmmm.... seems I am laid back according to the test. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 00:32:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05538 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:32:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N67AF12111; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:07:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N670T20725; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N669T20520 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:06:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A2BB85B00CA; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:05:47 -0600 Message-ID: <014401c1a3d3$c4e2a820$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] New Home Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:04:07 -0500 Status: RO The Historic Costume Bulletin Board that has been hosted by Drea's site for years has moved. It now has a new home on The Costume Gallery. Drea has done a wonderful job for many years maintaining and hosting it from her site. My hat is off to this lady. She has done a wonderful job! We now have like a joint ownership... Drea is the site administrator (handles the technical end), and I am the person who keeps up with the posts to make sure flames wars are put out and keep an eye out for offensive language. A bar of soap is next to my keyboard. If you want to visit the HCBB, we have tried to keep it simple. All you have to do is go to the Gallery, www.costumegallery.com , and click on the link on the top bar. Again, I thank you, Drea for your many years of service to the costuming community. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 00:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05553 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:38:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N6DoF12507; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:13:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N6DfT22277; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:13:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N69LT21298 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:09:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A37B86300CA; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:08:59 -0600 Message-ID: <015201c1a3d4$3694cc00$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <002a01c1a3d2$863eb240$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:07:17 -0500 Status: RO So Maggie and Linda.... what did it say about you??? Time to tell all!!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 00:47:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05570 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:47:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N6MUF12971; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:22:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N6MLT24312; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:22:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N6DuT22351 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:13:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m180.in-tch.com [216.166.191.180]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0N62Nr26460 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:02:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C4E559D.5CF8A22F@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test References: <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:18:05 -0700 Status: RO Oh, how completely weird....they actually "got" me pretty good....except for the end, when they said I'd be really good Management Material (I'm about as far from that sort of thing as a person can get, without working completely by myself). --Sue (definitely a Teddy Fan, but I picked green first) Penny Ladnier wrote: > > LOL!!! Go take this color test... and learn more about yourself. > http://www.colorgenics.com/intro.html The first color in the test pick as > your favorite color to wear. I took the whole test in order of preference > of the colors that I like to wear. Will Teddy's fan club pick orange > first????? <<>> > > Hmmmm.... seems I am laid back according to the test. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 01:16:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05628 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:16:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N6pBF14522; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:51:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N6p1T01417; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N6b5T27785 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:37:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQDP2100.D2M for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:37:13 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <015201c1a3d4$3694cc00$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:33:15 -0800 Status: RO LOL, the results are a little bandwidth-greedy, and it doesn't use simple names or numbers or titles or categories. I wish I could tell you I'm a Winter, or a UCSB, or a Lawful Good (with conditions) but they haven't given us those kind of options. My choices start with green-blue-red (or blue-green-red) and end with tawney (orange) then grey. The middle is more or less random. Figure me out at your will :) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Penny Ladnier > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:07 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test > > > So Maggie and Linda.... what did it say about you??? Time to tell all!!!! > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 02:24:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08227 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:24:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N7xqF18041; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:59:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N7xgT15935; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:59:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N7fjT12312 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:41:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQDS1T00.53H for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:41:53 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: knitting at ren. faires Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3C4CD4F9.685BD581@home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:37:51 -0800 Status: RO > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Liz / Cozit > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 6:57 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: knitting at ren. faires > > > From what I found, if you're doing a Faire set in England, before > about 1550, the > only knitting you *might* find is the fulled caps... unless you're > protraying a > Landsknect follower (they had knit garments earlier). Toward the end of that > period you *might* find undertunics for very young children/infants. > > > *g* I was trying to come up with another character for faire that > would get me out > of nobles (even if it will mean my knees will start to dislike me by > the end of > faire)... and since it's been a Henry VIII faire for years, kept > finding my ideas > trashed (the one requirement is that I am able to do some sort of > "finger twiddle" > on and off during faire... well, than and it has to fit in with the > Hengrave Hall > household or w/in the wool business (other than spinster there's not > much there for > the first half of the century). How about ordinary sewing? One of my favorite tricks is to make up a man's shirt, by machine, then rip out all the seams. Now the stitch lines are all there but more or less invisible to the passer by. Use steel head pins and you can sit and sew it back together by hand and look much more practical-ly occupied than by doing decorative work. The needle holes may disappear, but it's remarkably easy to pin and stitch where you have stitched before. :) You can also get the fellows to bring you their mending. It's amazing how many elbows get blown during Battle Pageant or fight circle, especially if their girlfriends used cotton instead of linen. Or sew on their buttons like Wendy, or ... And then (ah ha) they have to pay you! This is especially good for campfollowers, but even noble ladies stitched shirts for their gentlemen! MaggiRos who is sometimes Clara Munter, the Soldaten's Freunde > > -Elisabeth > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 02:40:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08284 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:40:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N8FnF18569; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:15:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N8FeT19458; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:15:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N7rWT14674 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:53:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQDSLG00.P2P for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:53:40 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Plaid for romans? Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:49:36 -0800 Status: RO Try asking at Nova Roma www.novaroma.org I recommend a formal courtesy, when asking as an outsider. As a group, they do know a good deal about their chosen era. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Parsla Liepa > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 8:45 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Plaid for romans? > > > > A friend has suddenly decided that she wants to do Roman -- properly. Not > just a "ohmygodIneedgarbquick!" outfit. I've pointed her to websites, > books, etc, and she's off to a good start. But.... one question that I > can't answer and so am posting here. > > ----- > Okay, I have absolutely no documentation for this, nor can I find any, > not that I am trying to be a period freak. I just want to make sure I am > in the realm of possibility before I buy fabric. Do you know if the > Roman's have patterned fabric aside from stripes (checks, perhaps)? > ----- > > Does anyone know -- did Romans use anything besides stripes and solids? > Parsla > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 03:15:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08405 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:15:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N8oCF19968; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:50:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N8o1T26430; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N8AOT18262 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:10:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQDTDK00.M3R for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:10:32 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Toddler Tunics Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1C418DF366C@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:06:28 -0800 Status: RO Not too long ago, friends of mine at Faire kept their small children of any sex (2-18 months) in a shift or leine (Irish shirt). I'm sure no one thought the boys were girls because of it, and whoever did were only customers (at Faire) or passersby anyway. Nobody is saying they have to wait till the boys are 6-7 before putting them in breeches. Just till they're out of diapers (nappies). The chief's daughter was about 3 when she put her hands deep into the leine sleeves, drew them up, and said "Look! Clan puppets!" (oh never mind ) If you don't call it a dress, it isn't a dress. It's just a shirt they can crawl, toddle and fall down in. Get over it. Life will be that much simpler. Think how much simpler it would be if you put the tiny ones in swaddling bands! And how popular! Maggie ~thinking of Cuchulain, who nursed till he could pull the tree, planted at his birth, out of the ground by the roots. (Ma, c'n Conner stay for lunch!) > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Teddy > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 9:07 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Toddler Tunics > > > > > Yes they did, but several SCA friends I know with little boys refuse > > to dress them in "dresses" and make them wear little tunics and pants. > > My son, now almost 3, will be getting pants for his third birthday, > > as he is now working on potty training. > > A friend's son (who must be about 14 now) came to events in skirts > until he was around four or five and "old enough" to have trunk-hose > and doublets.... His outgrwn stuff was used by his little sister > (including his first skirted doublet which had anels of contrasting > fabric added like guards around the bottom to make them full-length > skirts on her...) > > I've not really seen him since they moved away when he was > seven, but I don't think it's done him any harm to be properly > dressed for events as a toddler. He's coming to my coronation at > the weekend, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what sort of a > teenagers he and his sister have become. > > Teddy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 03:30:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08442 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:30:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0N95eF21079; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:05:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N95UT29652; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:05:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0N8b8T23807 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:37:08 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 6594 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2002 08:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sbs1.scenic-route.co.uk) (212.56.116.202) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2002 08:37:08 -0000 Received: from sbs1.scenic-route.co.uk (SBS1 [192.168.50.200]) by sbs1.scenic-route.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CTWVNZT2; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:45:58 -0000 Received: by sbs1.scenic-route.co.uk (Microsoft Exchange Connector for POP3 Mailboxes 4.50.2113) with SMTP (Global POP3 Download) id MSG01232002-084525-956.MMD@scenic-route.co.uk; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:45:25 -0000 Delivered-To: sc_force-scenicroute-amelia@scenic-route.co.uk Received: (qmail 9622 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2002 23:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2002 23:18:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 26132 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2002 23:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2002 23:18:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-329183-956-1011741486-amelia=scenic-route.co.uk@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.189] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2002 23:18:06 -0000 X-Sender: penny@costumegallery.com X-Apparently-To: Costume_Closet@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 22 Jan 2002 23:18:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 60782 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2002 23:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2002 23:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO costumegallery.com) (65.192.241.51) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2002 23:18:04 -0000 Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A2A740003D6; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:15:51 -0600 Message-ID: <001a01c1a39a$add9aea0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Penny Ladnier" X-Yahoo-Profile: fashin_cop MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Costume_Closet@yahoogroups.com; contact Costume_Closet-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Costume_Closet@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] [Costume_Closet] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Costume_Closet@yahoogroups.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:14:55 -0500 Status: RO Here is the article that the Associated Press interviewed me for. I am quoted twice in the article, so look near the middle and near the end. The article should show up in your newspaper within the next two weeks in the fashion section. It went out on the AP wire on Jan. 21 to news sources around the world. Everyone please call your newspaper and ask them to run the article. If they do please save me a the entire page of the newspaper. I am making a large scrapbook of all the newspapers that run the article. Thanks, Penny Here is the article: SPECIAL EDITION Fashion: Patriotic and Pretty AP Photos NY700, NY701 By FRANCINE PARNES= For AP Special Edition= Patriotic red, white and blue clothing may be popular stateside in the new war era, but American women during World War II took their style cues from glamorous Hollywood. Besides yearning to look pretty, many felt that beauty was their duty. Ilene Beckerman, author of "Love, Loss and What I Wore" (Algonquin, 1995), a memoir of her wardrobe through the decades, remembers the era. "Young women tried to look glamorous during the war years, even though there were so few men around. Maybe it was because women were supposed to keep the home fires burning. Maybe it was because they didn't want to forget romance. The smallest thing could lift your spirits, like high heels." Born in 1935, Beckerman was too young for pumps but coveted them nonetheless. "I always wanted to have a pink fluffy bed jacket like Claudette Colbert would wear in the movies," says Beckerman, from Hampton, N.J. "And fancy house slippers with high heels and pompoms in the front, preferably in pink also." Girls grew up fast. "Even my 15-year-old sister _ her real name was Blossom but everybody called her Tootsie _ tried to be glamorous," says Beckerman, who was raised in Manhattan. "She had gold high-heeled platforms with ankle straps like Ann Sheridan would wear in the movies. My sister woulddo her hair in pompadours and put on her gold shoes and try to get into a USO Canteen on 65th Street to give coffee and doughnuts to soldiers and sailors," Beckerman says. "She never made it because you had to be 18." "It was not as if glamour went out the window during World War II," says Harold Koda, curator of the Costume Institute at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in Manhattan. "Women felt it was a social responsibility to continue to make an effort in how they dressed, as inspiration for the men overseas. It was very much like after the Sept. 11 attacks when the mayor of New York City and the governor of New York stated that one of the more heroic acts for the general population was to carry on with a stiff upper lip, as if things were going on as usual when in fact we were in crisis. In the '40s, it was patriotic and a kind of psychological resistance, saying life goes on." It was not surprising that Hollywood glamour pervaded the fashion forefront, says Penny E. Dunlap Ladnier, owner of http://www.costumegallery.com, an instructional fashion Web site. "When Paris was bombed in 1940, the fashion design houses shut down. Without the fashion designers to tell women what to wear, women turned to movie stars to influence their fashions," says Ladnier of Chesterfield, Va. "A line of sewing patterns called Hollywood Patterns was sold throughout the 1940s. Women wanted to start wearing exactly what the stars wore." Still, this was the era of substitute materials, when fabric rationing led to shorter and narrower skirts. "Before World War II, nylons cost a little over $1," says Beckerman. "During the war, they cost $20 on the black market. Instead of real stockings, my mother, my older sister and most of the women in the city who cared about how they looked used leg makeup, a liquid that came in a small bottle. They spent lots of time putting it on, being careful not to get any on the bedspread. Their hands got all yucky and they had to stay still until their legs dried. Then they'd take a brown eyebrow pencil and make a seam up the back, trying to get it as straight as possible. My mother could only afford Woolworth's leg makeup. The color was so orange it didn't fool anyone." Rain did not help matters. With rationing, hats became smaller; sometimes even whimsical."They became more like ornaments than full hats," says Koda. "It was as if the garnish of the hat became the hat itself." Rationing also affected wool, important for the military, says Koda. "The need to conserve fabric provoked design innovations and constructions. Designers began to explore interesting seaming and piecing, rather than relying on heavy fabric," says Koda. "Applique and patch pockets were precluded because there was a general rule of thumb, you did not put fabric on fabric because that was wasteful. And when zippers and buttons were rationed, (designer) Claire McCardell used old brass shoe hooks as closures. They became a design feature." For many, fashion came through garments that had multiple uses. Pamela Smith, Ridgewood, N.J.-based author of "The Official Price Guide to Vintage Fashion and Fabrics" (House of Collectibles, $17 paperback), cites one innovative dress by McCardell. "Designed in 1942 as an all-purpose house dress, it was immensely popular, in topstitched denim with large pockets, wrap front, and attached oven mitt," she says. Despite all the restrictions, wedding gowns were readily available in stores, often in rayon crepe-backed satin, the most popular bridal fabric, says Nancy Eaton in Nokomis, Fla., next to Venice. "Even materials like cotton eyelet were used toward the mid-1940s," says Eaton, author of "Your Vintage Wedding" (HarperCollins, $26.95 hardcover). "But because so many wartime weddings were hastily produced affairs arranged on short notice _ for example, right before the groom was shipped overseas, or while he was on furlough _ quite a few brides opted for informal weddings, wearing dressy suits or dresses instead of formal gowns," she says. "If I had to pick one quintessential image of a World War II-era wedding, it would show a bride in a suit and a groom in uniform." With factory work came trousers for women. "Working women started wearing coveralls and pants to work for safety reasons," says Ladnier. "Many women were working with heavy machinery, and climbing in and out of spaces, making dresses impractical. Women decided that they liked wearing pants and started wearing them outside of work situations." Again Hollywood led the way. "Marlene Dietrich was often pictured wearing slacks in movie books like Photoplay and Modern Screen but they only showed her from the front," says Beckerman. "My mother always gave women who wore pants in the street the once-over. She'd say, 'Don't those women know what they look like from the back?' Very few women looked like Marlene from any angle." Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 07:03:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09308 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:03:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NCchF29225; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:38:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NCcVT28163; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:38:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N8qRT26853 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:52:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQDVBN00.101 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:52:35 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:48:25 -0800 Status: RO I've been meaning to ask y'all about sleeve calculation for years, and I usually just forget. I haven't read all of this thread yet, and it's approaching 1:00am here (on a work night, oh dear!) so I'm just sving all the pieces. My basic question is: how do I pattern a sleeve to match the armsceye I just draped to perfection? I have a feeling the answer is in this thread, but it's too late to pursue just now. I'm just delighted it's come up at last. And so to bed... MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Robin Netherton > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:44 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 07:28:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09652 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:28:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ND3oF01216; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:03:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ND3eT04280; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:03:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N8OKT21078 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:24:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQDU0S00.U02 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:24:28 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001a01c1a39a$add9aea0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:20:23 -0800 Status: RO Maggie Secara > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Penny Ladnier > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 3:15 PM > To: h-costume > Subject: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! > > > Here is the article that the Associated Press interviewed me for. I am > quoted twice in the article, so look near the middle and near the end. The > article should show up in your newspaper within the next two weeks in the > fashion section. It went out on the AP wire on Jan. 21 to news sources > around the world. Everyone please call your newspaper and ask them to run > the article. If they do please save me a the entire page of the newspaper. > I am making a large scrapbook of all the newspapers that run the article. > Thanks, Penny > > Girls grew up fast. "Even my 15-year-old sister _ her real name was > Blossom but everybody called her Tootsie _ My grandmother's name is Hortense, but her brothers all called her Tootsie. :) She, through my mother, assures me that "The Sweetheart of Sigma Chi" was written for her. MaggiRos ~My Pi Phi girl!/I love you best of all fraternities... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 07:30:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11894 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:30:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ND5wF01342; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:05:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ND5kT04755; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:05:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N8iUT25193 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:44:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQDUYE00.10B for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:44:38 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] YSL's last couture collection Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EBF@tko-exch.phoenix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:40:29 -0800 Status: RO How charming, the comments from La Croix (La KWA, darling. La KWA, says Eddie. Don't you know anything? (*Absolutely Fabulous*)) and Lagerfeld. On another hand, I'm a little amused to see Monseigneur complaining that it's now all about money where it once was about art. It's often hard for us common folk to eliminate the money from the aesthetic equation. MaggiRos ~Mrs 'Arris Goes to Paris > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Cynthia Barnes > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 7:39 PM > To: H-Costume (E-mail) > Subject: [h-cost] YSL's last couture collection > > > The master retires this summer. > http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/01/22/yves.farewell/index.html > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 07:33:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13256 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:33:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ND83F01565; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ND7pT05296; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:07:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N8whT28145 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:58:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AB2E8BD00CA; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:58:22 -0600 Message-ID: <026401c1a3eb$aa97c640$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EBF@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] YSL's last couture collection X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:55:10 -0500 Status: RO It is so sad that YSL is retiring, but why do fashion designers always have to play cut throat in the press. It doesn't make them look better. When I was in college, I took classes with both the costume design and the fashion design students. The costume design students loved to share ideas and help one another. The fashion design students were so scared someone would steal their brilliant idea of a creation. Everything was a secret. So petty. And the gossip was unreal! I think that really stunted their creative growth. I have also heard the arts & crafts industry is this scared/secretive group too. Anyone have experience with the A&C industry? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 07:35:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17060 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:35:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NDAOF01728; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:10:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NDABT05876; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:10:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N9d4T07035 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:39:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA11818.; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:46:47 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:39:11 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] knitting again Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0N9d4T07035 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:38:38 +0000 Status: RO We use four in Britain too. I know knitting techniques are slightly different in continental Europe. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> dragonlair@wireweb.net 01/22/02 08:20pm >>> I have a questions regarding the knitting madonna's and other representations of knitting prior to 1600, when knitting in the round, how many needles were they using? Seems Americans use four needles (earliest ref is a 1943 knitting book), Europeans use five and I wonder when this split happened. Alexandria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 07:35:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17069 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:35:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NDAxF01772; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:10:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NDAlT06049; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:10:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NAV3T01465 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:31:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p228-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.212.228]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id XAA12855 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:31:04 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.ihug.co.nz: Host p228-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.212.228] claimed to be user Message-ID: <005f01c1a3f8$18ceafa0$e4d4adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:23:59 +1300 Status: RO > LOL!!! Go take this color test... and learn more about yourself. > http://www.colorgenics.com/intro.html The first color in the test pick as > your favorite color to wear. I took the whole test in order of preference > of the colors that I like to wear. Will Teddy's fan club pick orange > first????? <<>> It was spot on. Exactly where I am at the moment. So much so, I'm using it in my journal, and going to fill out their little survey. Mind you it is based on phychological principles isn't it? michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 07:36:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17073 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:36:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NDB3F01786; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:11:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NDArT06084; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:10:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumedesign.net (ns2.plugit.com [63.66.1.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NAnYT05815 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:49:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from c1132969a [24.178.47.30] by costumedesign.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A83663550148; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:02:14 -0600 Message-ID: <013e01c1a3fb$940a3420$1e2fb218@roalok1.mi.home.com> From: "Kelly Rinne" To: References: <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Kelly Rinne" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:49:05 -0500 Status: RO that or fuschia. : ) -kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: Penny Ladnier To: h-costume Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:24 AM Subject: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test > LOL!!! Go take this color test... and learn more about yourself. > http://www.colorgenics.com/intro.html The first color in the test pick as > your favorite color to wear. I took the whole test in order of preference > of the colors that I like to wear. Will Teddy's fan club pick orange > first????? <<>> > > Hmmmm.... seems I am laid back according to the test. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 07:36:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17078 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:36:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NDB8F01815; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:11:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NDAvT06118; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:10:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta06ps.bigpond.com (mta06ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.138]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NBRnT13273 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 04:27:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.78]) by mta06ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQE2UA00.IVD for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:34:58 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-142.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.142]) by PSMAM04.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0h 92/328239); 23 Jan 2002 21:27:50 Message-ID: <3C4FAB1E.DFE3F65D@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:35:10 -0800 Status: RO Maggie Secara wrote: > LOL, the results are a little bandwidth-greedy, and it doesn't use simple names > or numbers or titles or categories. I wish I could tell you I'm a Winter, or a > UCSB, or a Lawful Good (with conditions) but they haven't given us those kind of > options. > > My choices start with green-blue-red (or blue-green-red) and end with tawney > (orange) then grey. The middle is more or less random. Figure me out at your > will :) > Interesting how a slight change in order changes some parts. I think it had bits right, but I didn't like the tone of the results. It reads like a bad romance novel. Then again I may just be grumpy because I just lost all my bookmarks and the contents of my inbox (including some unreplied-to emails) Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 07:37:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19372 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:37:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NDCCF01875; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:12:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NDC2T06412; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ND5cT04721 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:05:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A50E6C90382; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:05:18 -0600 Message-ID: <034c01c1a40d$1da57f80$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Window Shopping Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:54:37 -0500 Status: RO I found this really interesting website... it shows windows displays at designer shops. Check it out... http://www.fashionwindows.com/windows2/default.asp OOOOooo I wanted to grown up and design window displays. Okay, I will keep this historic... This website has the history of the mannequin... this is where you start http://www.fashionwindows.com/mannequin_history/default.asp It is several pages long. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 08:04:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20983 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:04:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NDdBF03769; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:39:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NDd0T13027; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NDc5T12768 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:38:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id ACA894200CA; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:37:44 -0600 Message-ID: <03d301c1a411$7ceeab20$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Its done! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:25:54 -0500 Status: RO I finally finished updating my 1940s fashion history webpage. I usually do this is August. But I found some new websites... so that a peak. http://www.costumegallery.com/1940.htm If anyone knows of a site with a good article about 1940s fashions, please give me a yell. BTW, when you have some time go to the Opera Gloves Gallery links. But plan on spending a long time. This site is massive. It is one of my favorite websites. Good night all, ZZZZZZZZ Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 08:06:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20993 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:06:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NDfBF03874; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:41:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NDf0T13513; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NDekT13430 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:40:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AD496CE039A; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:40:25 -0600 Message-ID: <03dc01c1a411$dba4e260$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:28:34 -0500 Status: RO MaggiRos... are you kin to this lady???????? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maggie Secara" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 3:20 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! > > > > Maggie Secara > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > > Behalf Of Penny Ladnier > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 3:15 PM > > To: h-costume > > Subject: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! > > > > > > Here is the article that the Associated Press interviewed me for. I am > > quoted twice in the article, so look near the middle and near the end. The > > article should show up in your newspaper within the next two weeks in the > > fashion section. It went out on the AP wire on Jan. 21 to news sources > > around the world. Everyone please call your newspaper and ask them to run > > the article. If they do please save me a the entire page of the newspaper. > > I am making a large scrapbook of all the newspapers that run the article. > > Thanks, Penny > > > > > Girls grew up fast. "Even my 15-year-old sister _ her real name was > > Blossom but everybody called her Tootsie _ > > My grandmother's name is Hortense, but her brothers all called her Tootsie. :) > She, through my mother, assures me that "The Sweetheart of Sigma Chi" was > written for her. > > > MaggiRos > ~My Pi Phi girl!/I love you best of all fraternities... > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 09:43:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23791 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:43:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NFIEF12234; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:18:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NFI1T13640; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NFHcT13499 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:17:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust176.tnt10.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.193.64.176] helo=earthlink.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16TP9n-000799-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:17:48 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4E2BCB.2050007@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! References: <001a01c1a39a$add9aea0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:19:39 -0500 Status: RO Cool! I'll look for it, and ask about it. Parenthetically, I know another reason, in one case at least, for pants. A woman I knew had worked in a factory during the war. She told me that her work itself didn't really require pants, and she and a few others continued wearing skirts (which, after all, they already owned), until they realized that the foreman was casually walking past the platform where they stood, and glancing up their skirts. That weekend, they all bought slacks! Not a skirt to be seen on the floor after that. But I don't think they would have told any outsider. Anne Penny Ladnier wrote: > >With factory work came trousers for women. "Working women started >wearing coveralls and pants to work for safety reasons," says Ladnier. "Many >women >were working with heavy machinery, and climbing in and out of spaces, making >dresses impractical. Women decided that they liked >wearing pants and started wearing them outside of work situations." > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 11:06:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24664 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:06:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NGfFF23379; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:41:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NGf2T23497; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NGe6T22935 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:40:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.12a.b0bb734 (4256) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:40:05 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.b0bb734.29804164@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12a.b0bb734.29804164_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:40:04 EST Status: RO --part1_12a.b0bb734.29804164_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I must be totally off the wall. I took the test and waited for the results. The music played and finally the busy little strip at the bottom of the page said "done". But the page remained blank. I even tried to reload and got the same results. I always knew I was a bit weird, but most of these tests try to fit me into their little descriptions somewhere. Oh well. . . Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_12a.b0bb734.29804164_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      I must be totally off the wall.  I took the test and waited for the results.  The music played and finally the busy little strip at the bottom of the page said "done".  But the page remained blank.  I even tried to reload and got the same results.  I always knew I was a bit weird, but most of these tests try to fit me into their little descriptions somewhere.  Oh well. . .

Lalah
Never Give up, Never Surrender,
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Looking for a great gift?  Check out Beary Classy Bears at
http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html

--part1_12a.b0bb734.29804164_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 11:20:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24818 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:20:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NGtDF25287; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:55:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NGt1T01635; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NGsaT01431 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:54:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AAB69630360; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:54:14 -0600 Message-ID: <046b01c1a42c$801d3a80$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <12a.b0bb734.29804164@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0467_01C1A402.964B6D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:39:16 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0467_01C1A402.964B6D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Poor Lalah.......... did you make every block white????? Are you an angel? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: LalahTT@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test I must be totally off the wall. I took the test and waited for the results. The music played and finally the busy little strip at the bottom of the page said "done".. But the page remained blank. I even tried to reload and got the same results. I always knew I was a bit weird, but most of these tests try to fit me into their little descriptions somewhere. Oh well. . . Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html ------=_NextPart_000_0467_01C1A402.964B6D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Poor Lalah..........  did you make every block = white?????  Are you an angel?
 
Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume = Classroom
http://www.costumegallery.com =
http://www.costumeclassroom.com<= /A>
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, = 2002 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy = Fan Club Test

     I must be totally off the wall. =  I took the test and waited for the results.  The music played and = finally the busy little strip at the bottom of the page said "done".. =  But the page remained blank.  I even tried to reload and got the same = results.  I always knew I was a bit weird, but most of these tests try to = fit me into their little descriptions somewhere.  Oh well. . . =

Lalah
Never Give up, Never Surrender,
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - = - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Looking for a great gift?  Check = out Beary Classy Bears at
http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html

------=_NextPart_000_0467_01C1A402.964B6D60-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 11:24:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24835 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:24:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NGxCF25855; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:59:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NGx1T03998; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NGwBT03569 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:58:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.11c.b2313ba (4256) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:58:07 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.b2313ba.2980459f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11c.b2313ba.2980459f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:58:07 EST Status: RO --part1_11c.b2313ba.2980459f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/02 11:56:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes: > Poor Lalah.......... did you make every block white????? Are you an angel? I made every block white and I am about as far from being an angel as one can get. I will try it again later and maybe the computer will feel more cooperative. In the meantime, I just feel unique. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_11c.b2313ba.2980459f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/02 11:56:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes:


Poor Lalah..........  did you make every block white?????  Are you an angel?
      I made every block white and I am about as far from being an angel as one can get.  I will try it again later and maybe the computer will feel more cooperative.  In the meantime, I just feel unique.

Lalah
Never Give up, Never Surrender,
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Looking for a great gift?  Check out Beary Classy Bears at
http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html

--part1_11c.b2313ba.2980459f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 12:14:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25371 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:14:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NHmEF03583; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:48:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NHm1T04917; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NHlrT04725 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:47:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.5.1) with ESMTP id g0NHlvO08402 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:47:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123090047.00a79d58@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test In-Reply-To: <12a.b0bb734.29804164@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_6207187==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:49:40 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_6207187==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This test is based on a pretty well known psychological diagnostics tool called the Luscher Color Test. The original test uses cards and you have the subject select them in order from most favorite to least favorite. The colors are not true; i.e. the red isn't primary red but a tomato red. Carl Luscher's choose the off colors specifically, for a variety of reasons. Sometimes a color has more importance in the schema if it was selected for the 5th position then in the first position and some placements are co- dependant. Just as an example: if you choose purple in the 2 position and yellow in the last position. Now the colors as they displayed on my screen are not the same as the original test and I wonder if this on-line test was modified to support that. I'm guessing yes since the data you get back is much more condensed then the original. I'd suggest looking up his work if you are interested. Curiously enough thought the results were pretty general (I give them a lot of slack as to predictability) and the colors were off, I found my diagnosis came pretty close to home. I just wish it focused on more then one or two outcomes. Now if you liked this but want more, I suggest finding the Myers-Briggs Personality Sorter. I know you can find the condensed version online now under the Keirsey (sp?) Personality Sorter but it's really worth your time to find the complete 72 (or was it 76) question version. At 11:40 AM 1/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: > I must be totally off the wall. I took the test and waited for the > results. The music played and finally the busy little strip at the > bottom of the page said "done". But the page remained blank. I even > tried to reload and got the same results. I always knew I was a bit > weird, but most of these tests try to fit me into their little > descriptions somewhere. Oh well. . . > >Lalah >Never Give up, Never Surrender, >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at >http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html Gwyn Carnegie University of California, Davis --=====================_6207187==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
This test is based on a pretty well known psychological diagnostics tool called the Luscher Color Test. 

The original test uses cards and you have the subject select them in order from most favorite to least favorite.  The colors are not true; i.e. the red isn't primary red but a tomato red.  Carl Luscher's choose the off colors specifically, for a variety of reasons.  Sometimes a color has more importance in the schema  if it was selected for the 5th  position then in the first position and some placements are co- dependant. Just as an example: if you choose purple in the 2 position and yellow in the last position.

Now the colors as they displayed on my screen are not the same as the original test and I wonder if this on-line test was modified to support that.  I'm guessing yes since the data you get back is much more condensed then the original. I'd suggest looking up his work if you are interested. 

Curiously enough thought the results were pretty general (I give them a lot of slack as to predictability) and the colors were off,  I found my diagnosis came pretty close to home. I just wish it focused on more then one or two outcomes.

Now if you liked this but want more, I suggest finding the Myers-Briggs Personality Sorter.  I know you can find the condensed version online now under the Keirsey  (sp?) Personality Sorter but it's really worth your time to find the complete 72 (or was it 76) question version.

At 11:40 AM 1/23/2002 -0500, you wrote:
     I must be totally off the wall.  I took the test and waited for the results.  The music played and finally the busy little strip at the bottom of the page said "done".  But the page remained blank.  I even tried to reload and got the same results.  I always knew I was a bit weird, but most of these tests try to fit me into their little descriptions somewhere.  Oh well. . .

Lalah
Never Give up, Never Surrender,
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Looking for a great gift?  Check out Beary Classy Bears at
http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California, Davis
--=====================_6207187==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 12:20:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25406 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:20:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NHtEF04387; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:55:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NHt1T09497; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from urdvg136.cms.usa.net (urdvg136.cms.usa.net [204.68.25.136]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0NHs7T08860 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:54:08 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 11399 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2002 17:56:11 -0000 Received: from cpdvg201.cms.usa.net (165.212.10.5) by outbound.postoffice.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2002 17:56:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 23959 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2002 17:54:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20020123175419.23958.qmail@cpdvg201.cms.usa.net> Received: from 206.163.135.19 [206.163.135.19] by cpdvg201.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer 34FM.0700.28.01B); Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:54:19 +0000 From: Shea Young To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.28.01B) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0NHs7T08860 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 23 Jan 2002 09:54:19 PST Status: RO Don't worry Lalah - the site didn't behave for me either.... Shea LalahTT@aol.com wrote: > I took the test and waited for the results. The music played and finally the busy little strip at the bottom of the page said "done". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 12:23:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25432 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:23:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NHwDF04825; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:58:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NHw0T11424; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NHvQT11082 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:57:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.191.17fcc7c (4256) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:57:17 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <191.17fcc7c.29805387@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_191.17fcc7c.29805387_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:57:27 EST Status: RO --part1_191.17fcc7c.29805387_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought the color test looked familiar. Somewhere in my library I have the book with the color cards. Used it back in my counseling days. Strange thing to forget, but these senior moments come way too often now days. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_191.17fcc7c.29805387_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      I thought the color test looked familiar.  Somewhere in my library I have the book with the color cards.  Used it back in my counseling days.  Strange thing to forget, but these senior moments come way too often now days.

Lalah
Never Give up, Never Surrender,
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Looking for a great gift?  Check out Beary Classy Bears at
http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html

--part1_191.17fcc7c.29805387_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 12:45:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25614 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:45:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NIGDF07315; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:16:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NIG1T22049; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NIFeT21932 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:15:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.5.1) with ESMTP id g0NIFoO22743 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:15:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123095435.024493a8@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] YSL's last couture collection In-Reply-To: <026401c1a3eb$aa97c640$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EBF@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_7880593==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:12:52 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_7880593==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:55 AM 1/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: >It is so sad that YSL is retiring, but why do fashion designers always have >to play cut throat in the press. It doesn't make them look better. Funny, maybe it was just my school (CalArts) but in the advanced curriculum, I found it to be very competitive within the costume/theatre design folks. And during my years at FIDM, i found most of my fellow design students to be very open. The curious thing was I also found that everyone separated into racially segregated cliques. While student teaching, I did notice a bit more proprietary behavior occurring with the International students (mostly Asians) but I just assumed it was a cultural thing. >When I was in college, I took classes with both the costume design and the >fashion design students. The costume design students loved to share ideas >and help one another. The fashion design students were so scared someone >would steal their brilliant idea of a creation. Everything was a secret. >So petty. And the gossip was unreal! I think that really stunted their >creative growth. I have also heard the arts & crafts industry is this >scared/secretive group too. Anyone have experience with the A&C industry? I'm assuming you don't mean the Arts and Crafts movement of the late 19th and early 20th century. That particular movement was all about being accessible to the common man, both through intellectually and materially. I mean, these folks were the hippies of the turn of century. I find E. Hubbard to be a fascinating person >; ) >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Gwyn Carnegie University of California, Davis --=====================_7880593==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 03:55 AM 1/23/2002 -0500, you wrote:

It is so sad that YSL is retiring, but why do fashion designers always have
to play cut throat in the press.  It doesn't make them look better.

Funny, maybe it was just my school (CalArts) but in the advanced curriculum,  I found it to be very competitive within the costume/theatre design folks.  And during my years at FIDM, i found most of my fellow design students to be very open. The curious thing was I also found that everyone separated into racially segregated cliques.  While student teaching, I did notice a bit more proprietary behavior occurring with the International students (mostly Asians) but I just assumed it was a cultural thing.

When I was in college, I took classes with both the costume design and the
fashion design students.  The costume design students loved to share ideas
and help one another.  The fashion design students were so scared someone
would steal their brilliant idea of a creation.  Everything was a secret.
So petty.  And the gossip was unreal!  I think that really stunted their
creative growth.  I have also heard the arts & crafts industry is this
scared/secretive group too.  Anyone have experience with the A&C industry?

I'm assuming you don't mean the Arts and Crafts movement of the late 19th and early 20th century.  That particular movement was all about being accessible to the common man, both through intellectually and materially. I mean, these folks were the hippies of the turn of century. I find E. Hubbard to be a fascinating person >; )

Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom
http://www.costumegallery.com
http://www.costumeclassroom.com
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--=====================_7880593==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 13:14:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25785 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:14:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NImbF12093; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:48:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NIm1T11308; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NIlXT10970 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:47:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-192.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.192]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9431A7C63 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:47:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3C4F07BD.F1F891C2@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123090047.00a79d58@blue.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:58:06 +0100 Status: RO Hi, I just tried the test and I was supised that the outcome was verry true for me. I really reconized myself in the text. Exept the last vour centences. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 14:19:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26110 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:19:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NJsGF23859; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:54:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NJs1T20103; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from post.its.mcw.edu (post.its.mcw.edu [141.106.32.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NJrnT19990 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:53:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from post (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by post.its.mcw.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g0NJnYV17799 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:49:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001501c1a447$a45ee400$873c6a8d@its.mcw.edu.aghlab> From: "mls" To: References: <11c.b2313ba.2980459f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1A415.59921960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:53:34 -0600 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1A415.59921960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I experienced the same problem - until I changed my cookie acceptance = level. *Then* I was able to see the result. Marie In a message dated 1/23/02 11:56:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, = penny@costumegallery.com writes: Poor Lalah.......... did you make every block white????? Are you = an angel? I made every block white and I am about as far from being an = angel as one can get. I will try it again later and maybe the computer = will feel more cooperative. In the meantime, I just feel unique. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1A415.59921960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I experienced the same problem - until I changed my = cookie acceptance level.  *Then* I was able to see the = result.
 
Marie
 
In a = message dated 1/23/02 11:56:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com = writes:


Poor Lalah..........  did you make every block = white?????  Are you an angel?


      I made every block white and I am about as far from being an angel as = one can get.  I will try it again later and maybe the computer will feel = more cooperative.  In the meantime, I just feel unique.

Lalah
Never Give up, Never Surrender,
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1A415.59921960-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 14:24:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26124 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:24:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NJxEF24648; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:59:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NJx1T23000; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NJw1T22424 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:58:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from picard.dnaco.net (picard.dnaco.net [207.238.206.4]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0NJxVg02334 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by picard.dnaco.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA07121 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:01:52 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: picard.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage In-Reply-To: <012001c1a2d3$6632f7e0$7fc982d1@computer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:01:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > I use the Closet Maid plastic coated metal rack shelving. (Carried by both > Lowe's and Home Depot in the closet section) > > It comes with both the bars on the walls (where you place the shelf > supports) or free supports. I've found the IKEA shelves, with the extension to make them 8 feet tall, are a fabric collector's dream come true. They come in a number of different woods, are pretty cheap, sturdy, and come with attachable cupboard doors. They can fit 60" wide fabric bolts, and you can place the shelves to hold 45" wide fabric bolts or 60" if you like. I lined a whole wall of my sewing room with them, and at 8 feet tall they look built in. Drea (self-confessed IKEA Junkie) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 14:26:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26140 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:26:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NK1DF25042; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:01:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NK10T24125; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NK0qT24027 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:00:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16TTZs-000C9p-0Y for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:01:01 +0000 Message-ID: <8eetSxL3MxT8Iweu@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head References: <3C4CF276.4C12F9F6@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:47:03 +0000 Status: RO Wow! I am fascinated by the deep technical intricacies this question has brought up, and all the factors that interact in what is, of course, the most difficult part of a garment to fit. I will have to take it all away and integrate all this information. Many thanks! Jean PS - My husband, and friends who make mailshirts, got the chance once to get a close look at a real mailshirt in the National Museum of Scotland. They all really wanted to know how people did the underarm in period, because it's so hard to do tidily. And the answer was - they had to fudge and cobble it together too! -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 14:26:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26144 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:26:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NK1QF25104; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:01:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NK1ET24275; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:01:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NK0rT24036 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:00:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16TTZu-000C9n-0Y for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:01:03 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting at ren. faires References: <3C4CD4F9.685BD581@home.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:53:01 +0000 Status: RO Maggie Secara wrote > >How about ordinary sewing? One of my favorite tricks is to make up a man's >shirt, by machine, then rip out all the seams. Now the stitch lines are all >there but more or less invisible to the passer by. Use steel head pins and you >can sit and sew it back together by hand and look much more practical-ly >occupied than by doing decorative work. The needle holes may disappear, but >it's remarkably easy to pin and stitch where you have stitched before. :) > >You can also get the fellows to bring you their mending. It's amazing how many >elbows get blown during Battle Pageant or fight circle, especially if their >girlfriends used cotton instead of linen. Or sew on their buttons like Wendy, >or ... And then (ah ha) they have to pay you! > >This is especially good for campfollowers, but even noble ladies >stitched shirts >for their gentlemen! > >MaggiRos >who is sometimes Clara Munter, the Soldaten's Freunde > Don't know if it's appropriate for the date, but I do endless lucet cord, which is easy to do even when people talk to you. Hubby uses it to hold up his mail leggings, and at least one piece breaks in every battle. Just-in-time mending techniques! Jean > > >> >> -Elisabeth >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 14:26:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26148 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:26:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NK1WF25130; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:01:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NK1JT24391; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:01:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NK0tT24064 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:00:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16TTZw-000CAW-0Y for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:01:05 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:31:46 +0000 Status: RO Heather Rose Jones wrote >At 11:44 PM +0000 1/21/02, Jean Waddie wrote: >>Hi list. >> >>I'm thinking about early set-in sleeves, prompted by a friend. I can >>see from Marc's extant garment pages that they were using s-shaped >>sleeve heads in the 14th century. Now, with modern curved sleeve heads, >>you have to gather the top to ease it into the armhole. Is there any >>evidence whether this was always done? Is it possible to make a set-in >>sleeve fit without gathering? Or is there some way you don't need it on >>a s-shaped sleeve but you do on a "sine-curve" one? > >My experience, in working up reproductions of garments of this type, is >that you don't have any ease or gathering and they fit perfectly >anyway. The shallower S-curve at the top of the sleeve means that the >"undistorted" position for the sleeve (i.e. the one it would assume >under zero gravity) is with the sleeves much more elevated towards the >horizontal than for a modern cap sleeve. The more extreme shape of >modern sleeves is designed so that the "undistorted" position is >roughly with your arms down at your sides. > That makes sense. So they were, in a way, working away from the t-tunic style, where the undistorted position is totally horizontal. And that's maybe a reason for developing the set-in sleeve, to reduce the bulk under the arm you get from a horizontal sleeve. Aha, I begin to understand. JEan >Picture, if you will, a cylinder (i.e., your sleeve) intersecting a >vertical plane (an approximation for the garment). If you set the >cylinder horizontal (arms straight out to your sides), it will >intersect the plane perpendicular to the sleeve axis, producing a >perfectly circular cross-section, this is the equivalent of a >completely unshaped sleeve and armscye. The top of your sleeve is a >straight line and is the smallest possible sewing line for attachment >to the garment. > >Now drop your arms/cylinder to a 45 degree angle. The cylinder >intersects your body-plane at an angle, with an elliptical cross >section. If you flatten out your cylinder, the top edge will form a >sine-wave, and the length of the stitch "path" will be significantly >longer than the preceding example. All with the exact same "arm" size. > >The further you drop your arms/cylinder towards the vertical, the more >elongated your elliptical cross-section will be, and the longer your >stitch-path will become ... except that now the top end of your >hypothetical sleeve intersects the plane of your garment somewhere over >your head. So instead you take the upper part of the >sleeve-cross-section-ellipse and crumple it down onto your actual >shoulder, i.e., gather or ease the top of the sleeve. > >I.e., the gathering is primarily a function of the angle at which the >sleeve is designed to sit "naturally", and has nothing to do with fit >in an absolute sense. > >Heather >(see -- geometry _was_ useful!) -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 14:27:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26154 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:27:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NK1MF25077; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:01:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NK19T24226; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:01:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NK0rT24035 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:00:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16TTZu-000C9p-0Y for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:01:03 +0000 Message-ID: <3$k$6POdYxT8Iwcc@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:59:25 +0000 Status: RO I have a super technique in a book my mother (the needlework teacher) gave me - Betty Foster, "Creating Fashion" - Macdonald & Co, 1983, ISBN 0356 097072 Although it's obviously biased towards the 70s and early 80s (batwings and blousons) it really gives you the techniques to create any shape from a basic block. If you don't get anything else by the weekend, I'll try to copy the sleeve calculation into Word or something I can send you. Jean Maggie Secara wrote >I've been meaning to ask y'all about sleeve calculation for years, and >I usually >just forget. I haven't read all of this thread yet, and it's >approaching 1:00am >here (on a work night, oh dear!) so I'm just sving all the pieces. > >My basic question is: how do I pattern a sleeve to match the armsceye I just >draped to perfection? I have a feeling the answer is in this thread, but it's >too late to pursue just now. I'm just delighted it's come up at last. > >And so to bed... > > >MaggiRos > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On >> Behalf Of Robin Netherton >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:44 PM >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 16:31:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26661 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:31:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NM6FF16341; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:06:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NM61T08750; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NM5iT08550 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:05:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-78.frys.com [66.121.20.78]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0NM3tr24409 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:03:55 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020123133943.00c514a0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] knitting again In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:56:38 -0800 Status: RO Kate M Bunting writes, in a message sent 09:38 AM 1/23/02 +0000: >We use four in Britain too. I know knitting techniques are slightly >different in continental Europe. I learned to use five to differentiate myself from the English, I playing a German at Ren. Faire. They used four, and 'threw' their stitches as an English knitter does. I learned the Continental method, where the yarn goes over the left index finger to be picked up, and did that too, same reason. After meeting me, they claimed to have learned the Continental method from me, and did it that way, it being their actual preference. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 16:54:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26808 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:54:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NMTYF20772; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:29:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NMTLT22308; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:29:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NMQMT20693 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:26:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.70]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020123222633.WXVU658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:26:33 -0600 Message-ID: <3C4F3849.11ACCD5A@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test References: <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <005f01c1a3f8$18ceafa0$e4d4adcb@user> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:25:13 -0600 Status: RO It wouldn't work for me. I picked my colors then a box popped up saying "document contained no data, contact administrator". Does that mean the order of colors I chose means I am in a void? *L* Katie michaela wrote: > > > LOL!!! Go take this color test... and learn more about yourself. > > http://www.colorgenics.com/intro.html The first color in the test pick as > > your favorite color to wear. I took the whole test in order of preference > > of the colors that I like to wear. Will Teddy's fan club pick orange > > first????? <<>> > > It was spot on. Exactly where I am at the moment. So much so, I'm using it > in my journal, and going to fill out their little survey. Mind you it is > based on phychological principles isn't it? > > michaela > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 17:09:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26873 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:09:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NMiFF22876; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:44:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NMi1T01391; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NMh3T00859 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.70]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020123224314.XJOV658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:43:14 -0600 Message-ID: <3C4F3C33.6F82979B@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jeans dilemma answered References: <64.18d28c63.2974fb60@aol.com> <012001c19de1$e9744c40$3e882d41@ccc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:41:55 -0600 Status: RO Donnie (my husband) and I worked for Vanity Fair for about a year. He was the "stock guy", he piled the work around us sewers. They "trained" us for about a week or 2 on "factory defect stuff". You know the stuff you can buy at the Factory Oulet Stores. Then put us on the line. "Training" consisted of mostly timing tests. *L* Katie Heather wrote: > > part of it happens when they have someone new doing it. When I worked in a > tropical wear factory, they often let people who were "trying out" cut/sew > the real thing, rather than having them try on something that wasn't going > out. I don't know, but maybe Less and other big companies do this as well, > and maybe Levi and Wrangler have their newbies and interviews try out on > cheap stuff. > Moira > (still finding it funny that the tropical wear shop was in Massachusetts);-) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 17:12:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26903 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:12:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NMlDF23257; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:47:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NMl0T02833; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NMkIT02512 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:46:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.70]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020123224629.XLZZ658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:46:29 -0600 Message-ID: <3C4F3CF6.E4396D2D@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drea's "superwide controversy" page References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115081716.00a7a360@blue.ucdavis.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:45:10 -0600 Status: RO Well trying to get names and devices passed is sometimes like a wrestling match for some. *Laughs then runs and hides incase there is any Laurels here* Katie Gwyn Carnegie wrote: > > Silly me. I got to the bottom of the page and saw "Notes on The > Wrestling Laurels" automatically thought it was spoof paper on Laurels > in the SCA. > > At 10:25 AM 1/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > it's at: > > http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/superwides.htm > > > > Enjoy! > > > > Drea > > > Gwyn Carnegie > University of California, Davis _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 17:23:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26954 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:23:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NMwEF24727; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:58:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NMw1T08517; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NMv7T08066 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:57:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16851 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p6.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.134]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA26283 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:57:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201232257.RAA26283@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reed Boning In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:52:33 -0500 Status: RO At 01:28 PM 01/22/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I've just found a great source for reed boning. www.granndgarb.com >has several sorts of reed (sizes/shapes) and I ordered the 1/4" flat >oval reed (780 ft for $7.80US) -- and it's arrived today. (snip) I use half-oval reed to bone corsets, and find that it works pretty well; I put two pieces of reed, flat sides together, per channel, so that the pieces reinforce each other. Good luck, and happy sewing! Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 17:33:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26986 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:33:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NN7EF25998; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:07:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NN71T13340; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NN6ET12977 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:06:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18834; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p6.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.134]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA27634; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:06:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201232306.SAA27634@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: AlbertCat@aol.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edwardian corsets (was: sillly corset tale) Cc: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <10e.b26b0b6.297f37a8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:01:10 -0500 Status: RO Oh, let me beg you to make me a copy!  Please!

Can I offer, by way of exchange, a tracing and photo of an old corset-ish thing that was in my mom's cedar chest?  It was apparently worn by one of the women in her family, and I can't quite call it a corset, as I don't think it offers enough support to truly be a corset, and is made of velvet.  I can't quite date it, as I've never seen anything like it in costume books...  I made a 'copy' of this thing when I was 14 and wore it for a "Renaissance" SCA outfit (I know better now).

Regards,
Mara

At 04:46 PM 01/22/2002 -0500, you wrote:
I have another Edwardian corset pattern that is easy as pie. It too is taken from an actual corset I found in the bottom of a trunk at a yard sale. It is in 4 pieces [each side] and lightly boned. Obviously not intended for evening wear but rather day wear or even sports wear. Gives one the shape, however. I put a bone between each existing bone to give it more.....er....bones.

I'll send anyone a copy of it ....if I can find the thing. I remember lending the pattern to someone back during the "Titanic" craze but don't remember getting it back. I still have the corset though...somewhere in the bottom of a box. I just don't do that much Edwardian.

Seriously....let me find it and I'll make copies....until it gets to be too much trouble that is.


_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 17:45:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27021 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:45:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NNKFF27851; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:20:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NNK1T20223; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NNJET19830 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:19:14 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0NNKo102410 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:20:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200201232320.g0NNKo102410@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage In-Reply-To: "from aleed at Jan 23, 2002 03:01:52 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:20:50 -0800 (PST) Status: RO drea, you should really take pictures of your IKEA storage for inspiration for other fabric collectors! .heather. > > > I use the Closet Maid plastic coated metal rack shelving. (Carried by both > > Lowe's and Home Depot in the closet section) > > > > It comes with both the bars on the walls (where you place the shelf > > supports) or free supports. > > I've found the IKEA shelves, with the extension to make them 8 feet tall, > are a fabric collector's dream come true. They come in a number of > different woods, are pretty cheap, sturdy, and come with attachable > cupboard doors. They can fit 60" wide fabric bolts, and you can place the > shelves to hold 45" wide fabric bolts or 60" if you like. I lined a whole > wall of my sewing room with them, and at 8 feet tall they look built in. > > Drea (self-confessed IKEA Junkie) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 17:54:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27042 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:54:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NNTEF29027; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:29:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NNT1T24985; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NNSaT24726 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:28:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-96.gti.net [208.216.115.96]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 23F0D145BC7 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:28:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4F4748.8D58FA0B@gti.net> From: Deb Rand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test References: <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <005f01c1a3f8$18ceafa0$e4d4adcb@user> <3C4F3849.11ACCD5A@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:29:13 -0500 Status: RO HEY this is pretty accurate- my life really DOES suck at present.! Did everyone else get a negative result or is it *ahem* just me? A snippet of my result: "You are feeling really miserable at this time... and you'd like to form a relationship with someone with whom you could really communicate. At the same time ... whoever it may be... that special "someone" must not conflict with your own belief system or ideals... All the problems that you have been experiencing of late seem to have become a part of your life and there is little that can be done to change the situation. Your emotions run high. , etc, etc. Uh, thanks. Deb R _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 17:59:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27068 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:59:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NNVEF29325; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:31:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NNV1T26033; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01g.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.237]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0NNUkT25901 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:30:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20303 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2002 23:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.193.116]) (envelope-sender ) by relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Jan 2002 23:30:53 -0000 Message-ID: <030e01c1a466$21870200$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:31:49 -0500 Status: RO > LOL!!! Go take this color test... and learn more about yourself. > http://www.colorgenics.com/intro.html Heavens - it wasn't that far off. School this year is a killer timewise - I am teaching SEVEN DIFFERENT things. I don't get to play in the SCA very much at all - between school during the week, and having to go home to take care of Mom at least two weekends a month, it is hitting home a lot. Rowena You are feeling exhausted ... worn out ... drained. You feel that far too much is being asked of you but you still want to overcome these difficulties and establish yourself despite the effect such an effort seems to have on you. You are a proud person, assertive most of the time but at this particular moment you are acting as if you have become resigned to the situation. What you need... is some tender loving care- a gentle pat on the head..(or maybe a "kick-up-the backside") and then you'll be raring to go... Recently you have been experiencing considerable mental anguish and turmoil. You are bored and discontent. Nothing seems to be going right for you. Even your relationships aren't working out and you don't quite know which way to turn. Your confidence has been shattered... There are so many things that you would like to do with your life, so many dreams to be fulfilled, and you know that your hopes and dreams are not just figments of your imagination... they are real, and you are looking for reassurance from someone. Basically your fears are such that you may be prevented in attaining your hopes and dreams. Even now you would like to broaden your fields of endeavour...but in order to develop your "inner- self" you need peace and solace. You are distressed by the fear that you may be prevented from attaining your goals.. What you really need at this particular moment in time is quiet reassurance from someone close to you to restore your confidence. Whatever you strive to do, something always seems to be holding you back. There is no subterfuge in you. You are a clear thinker and all you demand from life, in a relationship, is a partner whom you can trust and with whom you can, together, develop a foundation of trust based on understanding. You are your own person... and you demand freedom of thought ...to follow your own convictions. You have no interest in "two-timing" and all you seek is sincerity and "straight-dealing". You are trying to build up your own position and you resist all external influences. You insist that you are your own person and you will not tolerate any outside interference. Decisive and proud, you are true managerial material... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 18:19:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27176 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:19:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NNsFF02658; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:54:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NNs1T08685; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0NNrJT08329 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:53:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-96.gti.net [208.216.115.96]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 26F05145C8C for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:49:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4F4C36.4FBCBF39@gti.net> From: Deb Rand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test References: <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <030e01c1a466$21870200$01fea8c0@vaio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:50:14 -0500 Status: RO Okay so these all have an alarming, overly-melancholy tone. And that music re-enforces the forboding vibe. The phrases it uses- "confidence shattered" "hopes and dreams-prevented" "considerable mental anguish and turmoil" Like something you'd expect in a suicide note, right?... Deb _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 18:29:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27210 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:29:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O04EF03850; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:04:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O041T13628; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O03KT13284 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:03:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.11d.af0a577 (4505) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:03:27 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <11d.af0a577.2980a94e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:03:26 EST Status: RO Gee, mine was so sacchriney sweet I almost didn't make it thru. From what the result said I'm a wonderfully, fantastically, nice person who just needs a little bit more warm fuzzies in her life to make everything complete. (a) I've got 2 kids under 10 who can't walk across a room wihtout a sidetrip to hug "the momma" and a hubby who's pretty much the same way and (b) if I'm as sweet and kind and wonderful and etc as they said I don't want to know me. Ugh! I took it twice and came up with similar responses on each. The thing is-I didn't listen to the music. I've got headphones in the plug on my computer so I can't hear what it says. My son plays Reading Blaster and it's sibling programs and seems to enjoy it best at almost full volume so I put the phones in and leave them. Let's try waiting a couple of days and taking it again-if you listened-don't. If you didn't listen-do and see what happens. Lady G (the nice and wonderous >snort<) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 19:20:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27481 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:20:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O0tEF11455; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:55:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O0t1T07225; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O0srT07144 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:54:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:54:01 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EC3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test/1919 fashion colors MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:54:54 -0800 Status: RO I got that exact paragraph... cant say it's true for me. Quite sorry life doth suck for you. We are seriously excited and happy about moving back to our friends. Worst thing lately is a harddrive that siezed. Big deal. I think MaggieRos(? hope I've attributed this correctly) said it all when she likened it to a horoscope. Utter garbage. Might as well believe the Dogbert reference letter writer. (a treasure!) Speaking of moving & of colors ... we will be moving into a 1919 house. (Calif high-style Craftsman; not the bungalow style.) Can anyone pitch in with color ideas? I'm having a terrible time finding sites with color pictures of original stuff. 'Bout ready to give up and just use the fashion colors of the day. Problem there is that '19 is one of those transition times... not really 20's style, it's not Nouveau, it's not bold Deco, not war years & not classic teens look. Help? --cin In Tokyo, but not for very much longer > HEY this is pretty accurate- my life really DOES suck at present.! > Did everyone else get a negative result or is it *ahem* just me? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 19:22:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27489 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:22:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O0sEF11260; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:54:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O0s0T06750; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O0r0T06219 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.70]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020124005312.BGAR658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:53:12 -0600 Message-ID: <3C4F5AA9.C6423883@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test References: <11d.af0a577.2980a94e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:51:53 -0600 Status: RO Awww but you are the most sweetest, warmest, most huggible person in the whole wide world!! *makes kisses faces, then runs and hides* LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > Gee, mine was so sacchriney sweet I almost didn't make it thru. From what the > result said I'm a wonderfully, fantastically, nice person who just needs a > little bit more warm fuzzies in her life to make everything complete. (a) > I've got 2 kids under 10 who can't walk across a room wihtout a sidetrip to > hug "the momma" and a hubby who's pretty much the same way and (b) if I'm as > sweet and kind and wonderful and etc as they said I don't want to know me. > Ugh! I took it twice and came up with similar responses on each. The thing > is-I didn't listen to the music. I've got headphones in the plug on my > computer so I can't hear what it says. My son plays Reading Blaster and it's > sibling programs and seems to enjoy it best at almost full volume so I put > the phones in and leave them. Let's try waiting a couple of days and taking > it again-if you listened-don't. If you didn't listen-do and see what happens. > Lady G (the nice and wonderous >snort<) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 19:52:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27574 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:52:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O1REF14730; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:27:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O1R0T19414; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.misc.com (dsl-6414918377.internetconnect.net [64.149.183.77] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O1QJT19162 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:26:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA32228 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:34:21 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4F6429.EC4CFD77@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EC3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re:Craftsman House/1919 fashion colors (was: A Teddy Fan Club Test) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:32:27 -0800 Status: RO To Cynthia- I have a book called "In the Arts and Crafts Style", by Barbara Mayer, all about the houses and accoutrements of the era. The interiors show either white/off-white walls (which may be a more contemporary treatment) to show off the extensive woodwork or really high wainscoating with wallpaper in William Morris-type prints. The colors in the wallpapers are the kind you see in those faded medieval tapestries - sagey green, off-brown, red in between brown and pink, faded gold, and light periwinkle. I'm so envious of your new-old house and I hope you have a fabulous time decorating it. Hope the book gives some useful clues, Theresa Eacker Cynthia Barnes wrote:(Rigorous Pruning) > Speaking of moving & of colors ... we will be moving into a 1919 house. > (Calif high-style Craftsman; not the bungalow style.) Can anyone pitch in > with color ideas? I'm having a terrible time finding sites with color > pictures of original stuff. 'Bout ready to give up and just use the fashion > colors of the day. e _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 19:53:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27578 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:53:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O1SEF14845; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:28:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O1S1T19705; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O1RmT19636 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:27:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.dc.12055d1f (3983) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:27:46 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:27:46 EST Status: RO In a message dated 23/1/02 6:55:06 PM, nejma@tds.net writes: << Awww but you are the most sweetest, warmest, most huggible person in the whole wide world!! *makes kisses faces, then runs and hides* >> Darling, wonderful love, how I've missed your arms around me on those deep dark nights on the oasis. The scent of the wind and camel dung wafting across the desert sands... Speaking of camel dung, that's what the results are. All it really proves is I like purples and abhor orange! Does that mean purple people are nicer than orange people? Somehow I doubt it. Did the oranges get "worse scores" than the purple people did? SPILL! Actually-euwww. Where on earth did I get THAT reputation. I'd run and hide too. I think I will. Red is NOT my colour, purple is much better. Hiding out for now, Later, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 20:08:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27646 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:08:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O1hEF16158; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:43:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O1h0T24803; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O1gIT24565 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:42:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from cx181913a ([68.10.136.230]) by femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020124014230.VYG23469.femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cx181913a> for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:42:30 -0800 Message-ID: <005301c1a478$ddf5f880$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> From: "Linda Rice" To: References: <11d.af0a577.2980a94e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:45:56 -0500 Status: RO Mine was pretty much a 'true' report, I am going through a rough patch, and I am stubborn, no doubt. But, like a horoscope or fortune cookie, you can read into it what you want to, or toss it. Like I said, I'm really stubborn. ;o> I still hate that music! Linda Virginia Beach, Va. USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 20:17:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27672 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:17:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O1qDF16793; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:52:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O1q0T27464; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O1p1T27218 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-96.gti.net [208.216.115.96]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id BF16E145B37 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:51:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4F68AC.BFB90451@gti.net> From: Deb Rand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Craftsman House/1919 fashion colors (was: A Teddy Fan Club Test) References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EC3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <3C4F6429.EC4CFD77@misc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:51:40 -0500 Status: RO Wow lucky, lucky you! There is a house museum near me in NJ called 'Craftsman Farms'. It was the designer Gustav Stickley's house. Everything in there is all aged hardwood, mostly from exotic fruit trees. That look would be pretty pricey to dupe, I'm guessing, but anyway, they have an online gift shop with books about everything Craftsman... Deb R. Here is the Museum web site: http://www.parsippany.net/craftsmanfarms.html Here is the Shop website: http://stickleymuseumshop.safeshopper.com/ Have fun decorating! > we will be moving into a 1919 house. > (Calif high-style Craftsman; not the bungalow style.) Can anyone pitch in > with color ideas? I'm having a terrible time finding sites with color > pictures of original stuff. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 20:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27689 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:22:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O1vFF17253; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:57:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O1v1T29061; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O1usT29028 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:56:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.206.137.248] (account axejudge@accessus.net HELO accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 39932089 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:57:01 -0600 Message-ID: <3C4F6AE0.7050803@accessus.net> From: Karen Heim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070107050204070703020003" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: axejudge@accessus.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:01:04 -0600 Status: RO --------------070107050204070703020003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure IKEA is great, if you live near a store (since the online catalog admits that there is more to see in the store than they show you), OR if you can get them to send you a D**N catalog! I've tried several times to get a catalog sent to me (since the nearest store is in Chicagoland), but NOOO, they aren't interested in my money. Karen (grumbling to no one in particular) aleed wrote: > >I've found the IKEA shelves, with the extension to make them 8 feet tall, >are a fabric collector's dream come true. They come in a number of >different woods, are pretty cheap, sturdy, and come with attachable >cupboard doors. They can fit 60" wide fabric bolts, and you can place the >shelves to hold 45" wide fabric bolts or 60" if you like. I lined a whole >wall of my sewing room with them, and at 8 feet tall they look built in. > >Drea (self-confessed IKEA Junkie) > --------------070107050204070703020003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure IKEA is great, if you live near a store (since the online catalog admits that there is more to see in the store than they show you), OR if you can get them to send you a D**N catalog!  I've tried several times to get a catalog sent to me (since the nearest store is in Chicagoland), but NOOO, they aren't interested in my money.

Karen (grumbling to no one in particular)

aleed wrote:

I've found the IKEA shelves, with the extension to make them 8 feet tall,
are a fabric collector's dream come true.  They come in a number of
different woods, are pretty cheap, sturdy, and come with attachable
cupboard doors. They can fit 60" wide fabric bolts, and you can place the
shelves to hold 45" wide fabric bolts or 60" if you like. I lined a whole
wall of my sewing room with them, and  at 8 feet tall they look built in.

Drea (self-confessed IKEA Junkie)


--------------070107050204070703020003-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 20:25:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27705 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:25:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O20FF17538; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:00:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O201T00342; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O1x0T29819 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-96.gti.net [208.216.115.96]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id DE1F1145B37 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:59:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4F6A8B.EF4768F1@gti.net> From: Deb Rand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:59:39 -0500 Status: RO Well no matter *what* order I seem to put the blocks in I get a message of doom and despair. What does it all mean?! I guess I really am miserable. And I thought I was pretty content today. Oh well there's always tomorrow... Deb R. > .. Speaking of camel dung, that's what the results are. All > it really proves is I like purples and abhor orange! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 20:29:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27728 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:29:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O24EF17966; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:04:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O241T01637; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O23uT01590 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:03:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from LLWatts@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.15c.7479840 (25305) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:03:55 -0500 (EST) From: LLWatts@aol.com Message-ID: <15c.7479840.2980c58b@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15c.7479840.2980c58b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Looking for speculations ... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:03:55 EST Status: RO --part1_15c.7479840.2980c58b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got a puzzle for the group. One of my aunts has a friend who went panning for gold in Montana and ... >>> I also found this relic nearby. Can you give me any ideas about what it may be? It is solid silver mounted on a thin plate of brass. I am guessing it is some kind of decoration from a ladies hair piece. What is your guess? http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/bonaro123/vwp?.dir=/Gold&.src=ph& .dnm=decoration1.jpg&.view=t& .done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/bonaro123/lst%3f%26.dir=/Gold%26.src=ph%26. view=t >>> (Apologies for the long URL. Yes, he posted the picture on Yahoo, so you'll need a Yahoo account to view it.) The gentleman who found this also sent my aunt some additional information that might help date this piece: >>> "When I first found the decoration it had two tabs on it. I do not believe it had a row of them but instead believe that there were probably four, one near each corner. I think they were used to stitch the thing down with thread. When dredging in a river you can approximate the time period you are digging in by the sort of trash you are finding. Fir instance if you find beer cans with pull tops they that layer of gravel is from the 60's +/-. The layer where I found the decoration was strewn heavily with hand forged square nails. In fact, the black discoloration on the silver is because of direct contact with some iron nails. The gravel in this area was hard packed and undisturbed since it was deposited. In doing some historical research on the area I found that the mining district failed and the mill was burned in place around 1920. The giant water wheel they used for power was also burned and all of the debris fell directly into the stream...where I later dredged it up 80 years later." >>> Anyone have a guess on just what he found? Leah --part1_15c.7479840.2980c58b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got a puzzle for the group.  One of my aunts has a friend who went panning for gold in Montana and ...

>>>
I also found this relic nearby. Can you give me any ideas about what it may be? It is solid silver mounted on a thin plate of brass. I am guessing it is some kind of decoration from a ladies hair piece. What is your guess?
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/bonaro123/vwp?.dir=/Gold&.src=ph&.dnm=decoration1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/bonaro123/lst%3f%26.dir=/Gold%26.src=ph%26.view=t
>>>

(Apologies for the long URL.  Yes, he posted the picture on Yahoo, so you'll need a Yahoo account to view it.)

The gentleman who found this also sent my aunt some additional information that might help date this piece:

>>>
"When I first found the decoration it had two tabs on it. I do not
believe it had a row of them but instead believe that there were probably
four, one near each corner. I think they were used to stitch the thing
down with thread. When dredging in a river you can approximate the time
period you are digging in by the sort of trash you are finding. Fir
instance if you find beer cans with pull tops they that layer of gravel
is from the 60's +/-.  The layer where I found the decoration was strewn
heavily with hand forged square nails. In fact, the black discoloration
on the silver is because of direct contact with some iron nails. The
gravel in this area was hard packed and undisturbed since it was
deposited. In doing some historical research on the area I found that the
mining district failed and the mill was burned in place around 1920. The
giant water wheel they used for power was also burned and all of the
debris fell directly into the stream...where I later dredged it up 80
years later."
>>>

Anyone have a guess on just what he found?

Leah --part1_15c.7479840.2980c58b_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 20:34:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27764 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:34:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O29EF18414; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:09:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O290T03289; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O28oT03218 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:08:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.f3.152a1525 (3983) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:08:52 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Looking for speculations ... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:08:52 EST Status: RO I'd say part of a shoe buckle, Just opinion, nothing real. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 20:45:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27791 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:45:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O2JEF19460; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:19:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O2J1T06569; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O2IaT06373 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:18:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:17:44 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EC9@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fwd: Looking for speculations ... sliver & brass pla que MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:18:43 -0800 Status: RO My WAG is a plaque applied to a fairly rigid, flat-surfaced object, such as a ladies handbag or a heavily decorated, velvet covered photo album. As it is, other apparel applications like belt or dress ornament would bend the thin metal. OTOH, perhaps it was back in either application with something stiffer like pasteboard, fabric, buckram. gutta percha and/or batting which disappeared in the riverwater. (I think your correspondant said he was panning?) Seems rather art nouveau in style. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 20:47:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27803 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:47:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O2LEF19644; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:21:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O2L0T07154; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O2KaT07038 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:20:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.70]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020124022047.DMWE658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:20:47 -0600 Message-ID: <3C4F6F30.C57FA2AD@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Looking for speculations ... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:19:28 -0600 Status: RO I don't know it looks kind fancy for a shoe ornament for someone who worked at a mill, and I would think if it was in the mill when it burned it would have melted. Katie LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > I'd say part of a shoe buckle, Just opinion, nothing real. > Lady G > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 20:51:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27836 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:51:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O2PEF20019; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:25:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O2P1T08478; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O2OeT08404 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:24:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.d8.126ef306 (3983) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:24:43 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Looking for speculations ... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:24:42 EST Status: RO My reasoning was the dozen or so of them I have in my collection, one is very similar to this (most are marcasite), mine has a pasteboard backing with a couple of clips set into the backing. I've got a couple without any backing left on them and they look quite similar. But again, just my opinion, nothing real. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 21:07:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27922 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:07:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O2gEF21544; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:42:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O2g0T13457; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O2f8T13193 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:41:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m49.in-tch.com [216.166.191.49]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0O2Tsv20519 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:29:54 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C4F7553.37AF243@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] ANOTHER farthingale question References: <200201151845.KAA04741@artemis.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:45:39 -0700 Status: RO I agree with Margo completely....my first farthingale was made like this. I used half-inch tubing (the kind you get in hardware stores for water coolers and such) for the hoops--inexpensive, easy to mangle into a suitcase, etc. --Sue Margo@margospatterns.com wrote: > > >What I need to do however, is sort out some sort of quick and easy > >pattern for a farthingale that will fit a seven to ten year old. > > > > The easiest way to do this is to make a gored skirt. For a small girl, you > can probably get away with a two-gore, front and back, cutting it from 45" > fabric, but you can make more gores is you like. If you want to be more > accurate you can make straight front and back pieces and give them triagular > side gores a la the Alcega pattern. Make sure you have at least 6-12" or so > ease at the waist, so you can gather it to a waist band, or use a > drawstring, and adjust it as she gets bigger and still have some gathering > for the proper line. You'll want to add about 4" extra length for the > spring out from waist to hem, in addition to those grow tucks. > > Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 21:14:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27951 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:14:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O2mEF22169; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:48:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O2m0T15282; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O2leT15173 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:47:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m49.in-tch.com [216.166.191.49]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0O2aRv22926 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:36:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C4F76DC.3986E6D2@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:52:12 -0700 Status: RO Gawd, what would that about those of us who have a sort of generic-mongrel-Heinz57-british-isles type of ethnic background....? Sue, WASP-ish far enough back to wear yellow and black stripes...;-P Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > > On another list, someone just referred to a study that found that people > of Celtic and Anglo-Saxon descent have different foot shapes. > > Can anyone recall that study, and perhaps either tell me the results, or > point me to a copy online? > > Thanks, > Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 21:15:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27962 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:15:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O2oEF22367; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:50:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O2o1T15979; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O2nVT15808 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:49:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020124024938.QWKX10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:49:38 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c4f75c1.179179356@mail.attbi.com> References: <3C4F6A8B.EF4768F1@gti.net> In-Reply-To: <3C4F6A8B.EF4768F1@gti.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0O2nVT15808 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:49:45 GMT Status: RO On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:59:39 -0500, the following was written in this electric book by Deb Rand : > Well no matter *what* order I seem to put the blocks in I get a >message of doom and despair. What does it all mean?! >I guess I really am miserable. And I thought I was pretty content today. >Oh well there's always tomorrow... >Deb R. Mine said I was alone, lonely, and I'd be unlikely to find anyone to spend my life with. Odd, since i'm married and have numerous friends. I suppose it has silly arbitrary meanings for the colours, and it's probably somehow related to the fact that I loathe yellow. Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 21:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27992 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:29:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O34FF23791; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:04:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O340T20123; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O33FT19911 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:03:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020124030323.VNSX3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:03:23 +0000 Message-ID: <079801c1a483$983f2270$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: "h-costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Fw: [Ansteorra] Seeking a sari shop Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:00:01 -0600 Status: RO Can anyone help him? :) Sincerely, Franchesca Havas McKinney, Texas º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sluggy!" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 8:51 PM Subject: [Ansteorra] Seeking a sari shop > Greetings, all! > > I am in Houston on business for the week and I might have much of Friday > free. I am hoping to find a particular sari shop that is near the > hospital district. Does anyone know the name of it? > > Sluggy! > > _______________________________________________ > Ansteorra mailing list > Ansteorra@ansteorra.org > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 21:47:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28053 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:47:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O3MFF25484; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:22:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O3M0T26250; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O3LKT26003 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:21:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQFAH500.0JG for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:17:29 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3$k$6POdYxT8Iwcc@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:13:34 -0800 Status: RO > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Jean Waddie > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:59 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head > > > I have a super technique in a book my mother (the needlework teacher) > gave me - Betty Foster, "Creating Fashion" - Macdonald & Co, 1983, ISBN > 0356 097072 Although it's obviously biased towards the 70s and early > 80s (batwings and blousons) it really gives you the techniques to create > any shape from a basic block. > > If you don't get anything else by the weekend, I'll try to copy the > sleeve calculation into Word or something I can send you. > Wow, ok! Cool! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 21:48:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28060 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:48:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O3MQF25506; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:22:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O3MCT26322; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:22:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O3LWT26085 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:21:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16TaSO-00046A-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:21:44 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3C4E559D.5CF8A22F@in-tch.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:24:16 -0500 Status: RO That is weird- they were pretty close for me too, except for the ending where they were way off base- said "in the recent past all your hopes and aspirations have been denied you...." I beg to differ!I think I've done pretty well lately, myself. Even though I picked blue first, I'm still a Teddy fan at heart! -Megan McHugh -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 1:18 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test Oh, how completely weird....they actually "got" me pretty good....except for the end, when they said I'd be really good Management Material (I'm about as far from that sort of thing as a person can get, without working completely by myself). --Sue (definitely a Teddy Fan, but I picked green first) Penny Ladnier wrote: > > LOL!!! Go take this color test... and learn more about yourself. > http://www.colorgenics.com/intro.html The first color in the test pick as > your favorite color to wear. I took the whole test in order of preference > of the colors that I like to wear. Will Teddy's fan club pick orange > first????? <<>> > > Hmmmm.... seems I am laid back according to the test. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 22:07:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28162 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:07:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O3gEF27507; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:42:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O3g1T02609; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O3fmT02530 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:41:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2211.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.211]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25076 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:42:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3C4F81CA.143EA4E7@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] knitting again References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:38:50 -0500 Status: RO Hi. Rutt shows the earliest representations of knitting ( The Buxtehude Abbey altarpiece, dated ca. 1390, the Madonna of Humility from the 1340s-50s, The Modena Madonna ca 1360s, and the Lorenzetti Holy Family of ca. 1345) are seen with the Virgin using 4 needles. I haven't been able to find a reference for the beginning of use of European sets of needles. > > I have a questions regarding the knitting madonna's and other representations of knitting prior to 1600, when knitting in the round, how many needles were they using? > > Seems Americans use four needles (earliest ref is a 1943 knitting book), Europeans use five and I wonder when this split happened. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 22:13:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28184 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:13:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O3mFF28048; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:48:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O3m1T04303; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O3luT04248 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:47:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.18a.2445448 (3957) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:47:56 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <18a.2445448.2980ddec@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:47:56 EST Status: RO In a message dated 23/1/02 9:23:02 PM, mmchugh@starpower.net writes: << Will Teddy's fan club pick orange first????? <<> Penny, Better run and hide from Teddy's non-orange fans first. Grinnest. At least he and I have found the common ground of green. >giggle< Orange was my LAST pick, purple, red, black, yellow my first few. I did it again and listened to the music this time and came up with the same result. My Tetris game used to have the same "song" playing in the background but heavier bass notes but very similar. Strange music but I like it. Never said I was normal. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 22:15:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28191 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:15:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O3nHF28307; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:49:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O3n4T04774; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:49:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O3mYT04590 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:48:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.24] (as3-4-38.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.24]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0O3miv24968; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:48:45 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Viking tunic pattern from Haithabu Cc: graemenott@hotmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0O3mYT04590 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:06:55 -0800 Status: RO At 11:29 PM +0000 1/22/02, Jean Waddie wrote: >Dear list, > >I am forwarding this query from a friend. I hope some of you find >it interesting and can maybe shed some light on these very >odd-looking finds. >So my questions are; > >- Has anyone got any references to other tunics (up to ~13th cent) that have >horizontal waist seams? In terms of piecing separate pieces of cloth together, not that I can recall. But a large number of tunics of the sub-Roman period (this primarily involves Coptic garments, but see also the French find at Martres-de-Veyre) have a relatively deep "tuck" sewn into an otherwise continuous, straight tunic at waist level. I've seen a number of speculations on why this was done, whether to shorten the garment, or to prevent or repair extra wear under a belt -- but I don't know if there is a definitive answer. >As far was we see there is only a couple of alternatives >1. Hägg wrongly identified the warp threads in the fragments (I wouldn't think >this is very likely). >2. The front and back hung in one piece from sholder to hem with the warp >horizontal (if so, a peice of fabric about 90cm wide would be needed). Why on >earth would someone make it like that? The simple answer may be, "because the design of the looms they were using made that a more efficient way to weave the cloth". For example, Coptic tunics were woven in exactly this way, with the front and back of the garment in a single continuous panel perpendicular to the warp direction. I believe a number of single-piece rectangular cloaks from northern Germany and Scandinavia in the Migration Era were also woven in fairly wide widths. If you're weaving on an upright loom, some of the loom dynamics make it easier and more efficient to weave the same square footage in a wide, short piece than a narrow, long one. One of the main driving forces for narrower loom widths was the need to be able to throw the shuttle between outstretch arms, but on the upright loom styles you weren't throwing the shuttle, so this wasn't a determining factor in width. (Thread-paths in some of the cloths described in Hald's "Ancient Danish Textiles" strongly suggest that two or three weavers were working side by side, passing the shuttles back and forth between them to complete the width.) Upright looms continued in use well after the rise in popularity of horizontal looms with thrown shuttles. It could be possible that someone was using an "extra-wide" fabric from a loom of this type, even in an era when a narrower cloth from a horizontal loom would be more typical. Not a certain answer, by any means, but one possibility. >3. That due to limitations in the amount of fabric available (or some other >reason), the upper and lower portions of the tunic were different with the two >being joined by a waist seam. Possible -- or that an older garment had been patched at the waist (due to belt wear?) and that in the fragment remaining only the upper part of the patch remains, disguising the fact that it was a patch rather than a part of the original garment design? One of the things that drives me mildly batty about Hagg's material is that she gives the appearance of drawing extremely definite and elaborately detailed conclusions about the nature of the original garments from textile fragments that appear to me to be relatively small and highly ambiguous. I confess that I haven't yet worked my way through all her text -- I read German enough to work through it, but not very fluently -- and it may be that all my questions would be answered if I did. But I see people using her interpretations (especially of the shaped Viking over-dress) with the sort of certainty that I tend to reserve for entire garments, and not for fragmentary scraps with a single remaining seam! >Your views and thoughts on these questions and alternatives would be greatly >appreciated. You can contact me directly at graemenott@hotmail.com Copied to this address as well as the list. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 22:15:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28196 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:15:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O3nFF28287; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:49:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O3n0T04743; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O3mUT04556 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:48:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.24] (as3-4-38.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.24]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0O3mev24946 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:48:41 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:42:53 -0800 Status: RO At 1:43 AM -0600 1/22/02, Robin Netherton wrote: >On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > >> My experience, in working up reproductions of garments of this type, >> is that you don't have any ease or gathering and they fit perfectly >> anyway. The shallower S-curve at the top of the sleeve means that the >> "undistorted" position for the sleeve (i.e. the one it would assume >> under zero gravity) is with the sleeves much more elevated towards the >> horizontal than for a modern cap sleeve. > >This idea of the elevated "undistorted" position conforms to my own sense, >both from practical experience and from looking at images of extant >garments. Heather, you've seen a lot more than I have of the latter, so I >have a related question for you. Can you tell us whether the "undistorted" >position tends to place those elevated arms forward to some degree, rather >than straight out to the sides? That seems to relate more to relative widths and shaping of the body panels. I haven't really experimented much with it, but I should think that if you've got a relatively unshaped body panel, equally wide at front and back (e.g., the Bocksten tunic), then the "undistorted" position would be with your arms positioned towards the back of the normal range. But if you start increasing the width of the back panel relative to the front, either by extending the side gussets up into the armscye (as in -- I think -- the Moselund tunic, this is from memory because I don't have the relevant description in the database) or by cutting into the front panel (as in the multiply-gored Herjolfsnes garments), or both, then you're going to get more of a "natural" set towards the front. But I think this is only going to be noticeable if the garment is relatively tight-fitting, and individual variation in body type will also affect it (e.g., a large bust will affect the natural fall of the sleeves given the same panel-width proportions). Purely as an impressionistic thing, since the shift towards "forward-set" sleeves correlates with the shift towards "downward-set" sleeves, I would tend to suspect that the same motivations are involved -- i.e., moving from a design that prioritizes simplicity of design to one that prioritizes conforming more to the body's "resting" position. Heather (who still can't get used to the notion that people consider me an "expert" on the topic -- hey, I've just looked at a lot of books!) -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 22:34:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28271 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:34:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O49FF00652; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:09:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O490T11016; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O48fT10806 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:08:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQFAEJ00.PHP for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:15:55 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <03dc01c1a411$dba4e260$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:11:14 -0800 Status: RO To my grandmother? Why yes, I am! :) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Penny Ladnier > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 5:29 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! > > > MaggiRos... are you kin to this lady???????? > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maggie Secara" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 3:20 AM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > Maggie Secara > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > > > Behalf Of Penny Ladnier > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 3:15 PM > > > To: h-costume > > > Subject: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! > > > > > > > > > Here is the article that the Associated Press interviewed me for. I am > > > quoted twice in the article, so look near the middle and near the end. > The > > > article should show up in your newspaper within the next two weeks in > the > > > fashion section. It went out on the AP wire on Jan. 21 to news sources > > > around the world. Everyone please call your newspaper and ask them to > run > > > the article. If they do please save me a the entire page of the > newspaper. > > > I am making a large scrapbook of all the newspapers that run the > article. > > > Thanks, Penny > > > > > > > > Girls grew up fast. "Even my 15-year-old sister _ her real name was > > > Blossom but everybody called her Tootsie _ > > > > My grandmother's name is Hortense, but her brothers all called her > Tootsie. :) > > She, through my mother, assures me that "The Sweetheart of Sigma Chi" was > > written for her. > > > > > > MaggiRos > > ~My Pi Phi girl!/I love you best of all fraternities... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 22:38:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28283 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:38:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O4DFF00927; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:13:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O4D1T12315; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O4C3T12036 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:12:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2211.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.211]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00957 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:12:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3C4F88E2.622EC847@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Looking for speculations ... References: <15c.7479840.2980c58b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:09:06 -0500 Status: RO Hi. It looks like a brass belt buckle frame onto which the decorative item was attached. The tabs would have been folded back 90% and a pin with the hooks for the belt would have been attached, roller-buckle style. It most closely resembles the style of German WWII military buckles, if I am correct. The other side could have been attached to the belt, or a hook might have been soldered on. Just a guess, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 22:49:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28324 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:49:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O4OEF01802; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:24:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O4O0T15466; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O4NtT15431 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:23:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.189.2442dd8 (3957) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:24:01 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <189.2442dd8.2980e661@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:24:01 EST Status: RO I've just had a horrible pun. I'm going to call my rag bag "The Crisper", after all where DOES one keep the cabbage? Ducking and running, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 22:56:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28346 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:56:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O4VFF02500; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:31:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O4V1T17553; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O4UTT17434 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:30:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:30:37 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ECB@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:30:36 -0800 Status: RO boo! hiss! --cin > I've just had a horrible pun. I'm going to call my rag bag > "The Crisper", after all where DOES one keep the cabbage? > Ducking and running, > Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 23:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28396 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:02:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O4bEF02969; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:37:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O4b0T19317; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O4aAT19109 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:36:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.46.215741e1 (3957) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:36:10 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <46.215741e1.2980e939@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:36:09 EST Status: RO In a message dated 23/1/02 10:31:46 PM, Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com writes: << boo! hiss! --cin >> {Bow, curtsey, acknowledging applause (and groans).} Sorry, I'm afflicted with them sometimes. The meds only help so far, I'm a mongrel garbster/herald mix. Grins, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 23:03:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28400 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:03:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O4cEF03074; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:38:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O4c0T19612; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O4bRT19451 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:37:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07603 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:53:37 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:53:37 -0600 (CST) Status: RO I asked: > >Can you tell us whether the "undistorted" > >position tends to place those elevated arms forward to some degree, rather > >than straight out to the sides? Heather replied: > That seems to relate more to relative widths and shaping of the body > panels. I haven't really experimented much with it, but I should > think that if you've got a relatively unshaped body panel, equally > wide at front and back (e.g., the Bocksten tunic), then the > "undistorted" position would be with your arms positioned towards the > back of the normal range. But if you start increasing the width of > the back panel relative to the front, either by extending the side > gussets up into the armscye (as in -- I think -- the Moselund tunic, > this is from memory because I don't have the relevant description in > the database) or by cutting into the front panel (as in the > multiply-gored Herjolfsnes garments), or both, then you're going to > get more of a "natural" set towards the front. OK, I wasn't clear. Let me try again. I'm not referring to the size of the body panels, which governs the location of the armholes. I'm referring to the shape and rotation of the sleeve within the armhole. This relates only to set-in sleeves, where there's a part of the sleeve that's longer (at the sleeve cap) and a part that's shorter (at the dip of the curve). We've already discussed how the default position had the arms raised out from the body to some degree, not hanging straight down. If your sleeve cap is at the top of the shoulder, the neutral position of these sleeves/arms would have them raised out to the sides. That is, if you are standing on a clock face, facing toward the 12, your arms are rising up pointing at the 9 and the 3. But if your sleeve cap is rotated a bit toward the back of the shoulder, the neutral position moves more in the direction of reaching forward -- say, pointing toward the 10 and 2 on the clock face, or 11 and 1 for more of an extreme. The degree of forwardness and the degree of elevation would depend on the combined factors of the height of the sleeve cap and the rotation within the armhole. This rotation factor is independent of the amount of fabric at the back or front of the body section. Put another way: The T-tunic shape doesn't allow for the forward motion, and would automatically stick the arms out to the sides. The set-in sleeve lets you move the default to the more natural somewhat-foward position of the human arm. Did people take advantage of this as they developed the set-in sleeve? I would think so, particularly if one reason for the development of that cut was to remove the excess of fabric under the arm, because that excess is greater at the front (where the dip should be placed). But perhaps there was an intermediate stage where the t-tunic shape was followed, and the rotation of the sleeve occurred later. I can think of a reason this might have happened, but it is too hard to explain without a blackboard, chalk, and eraser. Did I do better this time? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 23:05:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28413 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:05:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O4eKF03212; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:40:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O4e6T20229; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:40:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O4dST20052 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:39:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id UAA11287 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:57:06 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201240457.UAA11287@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:57:06 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Deb Rand > > Okay so these all have an alarming, overly-melancholy tone. And that music > re-enforces the forboding vibe. > > The phrases it uses- "confidence shattered" "hopes and dreams-prevented" > "considerable mental anguish and turmoil" > Like something you'd expect in a suicide note, right?... Or someone trying to sell you on _their_ form of life-management. It actually reminds me of the Scientology "personality test" and is probably about as accurate. In fact, doing this in person with cards would be extremely similar to doing a cold reading as a tarot reader. You watch their reactions to what you say, and tailor your prefab pieces to their responses. Color me skeptical. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 23:05:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28417 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:05:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O4eFF03198; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:40:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O4e1T20190; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O4d7T19962 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:39:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.241.42.43] (HELO [192.168.1.102]) by dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with ESMTP id 95543 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:44:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <026401c1a3eb$aa97c640$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EBF@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <026401c1a3eb$aa97c640$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] YSL's last couture collection Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:22:25 -0500 Status: RO Penny asked: >When I was in college, I took classes with both the costume design and the >fashion design students. The costume design students loved to share ideas >and help one another. The fashion design students were so scared someone >would steal their brilliant idea of a creation. Everything was a secret. >So petty. And the gossip was unreal! I think that really stunted their >creative growth. I have also heard the arts & crafts industry is this >scared/secretive group too. Anyone have experience with the A&C industry? I have some- I take classes and have done a couple of shows (small metals, mostly). It varies a lot. Some people are very open and generous, and others quite secretive. The amusing bits come when a secretive type decides to teach a class- you can almost see the smoke coming out of their ears as they plot out how little they can get away with sharing, or try to avoid thorough answers to questions that cross the bounds of what they;re willing to share! Not a good situation for those who paid for the class, of course. So in metals, at least, it varies across the spectrum. -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 23:13:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28438 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:13:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O4mEF03752; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:48:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O4m0T22574; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O4lST22452 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:47:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.5b.21bf97d9 (3957) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:47:35 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.21bf97d9.2980ebe7@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:47:35 EST Status: RO In a message dated 23/1/02 10:40:53 PM, lee@retro.com writes: << Color me skeptical. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert >> Ditto. Lady G (who's not anything like the test said in reality and never was no matter WHAT Katie said, wait a minute...I thought it was Katydid not Katiesaid , oh well I live in the country, things change faster in the real world, but I'd better have a talk with the bugs later, >BG<) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 23:26:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28483 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:26:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O51GF04418; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:01:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O511T26063; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O50sT26015 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:00:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.79]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQFF9U00.310 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:01:06 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <189.2442dd8.2980e661@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:56:55 -0800 Status: RO ROFL I love it! MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of LadyGryphon@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 8:24 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... > > > I've just had a horrible pun. I'm going to call my rag bag "The Crisper", > after all where DOES one keep the cabbage? > Ducking and running, > Lady G > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 23:27:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28490 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:27:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O52FF04505; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:02:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O520T26342; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O51jT26280 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:01:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (morr0664.gti.net [208.216.122.64]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id A818C145A42 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:01:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4F9561.615B991A@gti.net> From: Deb Rand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test References: <3C4F6A8B.EF4768F1@gti.net> <3c4f75c1.179179356@mail.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:02:25 -0500 Status: RO As we can see here, the psychological testing thing is often wrong. But exactly how does the process of random color selection translate into something like "you are miserable" or "alone, lonely, and unlikely to find anyone to spend your life with?" Why is the wording of the psych profiles so gloomy & pessimistic? Obviously the Doc believes yellow-phoebic people are naturally misanthropic-predisposed to miserable, unfulfilled lives as a result. Is it something to do with warm vs cool colors? Deb R. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 23:33:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28513 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:33:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O58FF04845; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:08:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O580T27989; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O57MT27779 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:07:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.70]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020124050734.HJXU658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:07:34 -0600 Message-ID: <3C4F9648.CDBFA3E9@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test References: <5b.21bf97d9.2980ebe7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:06:16 -0600 Status: RO I did not, and you have no photographic proof!! Because I have a friend at Wal-Marts photolab that lied and said the machine ate the prints and negitives! HA! *L* LadyG wrote: >snip< > I thought it was Katydid not Katiesaid > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 23:41:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28542 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:41:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O5GkF05379; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:16:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O5GVT00310; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:16:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O5ETT29674 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:14:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.166.7a08c25 (3957) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:14:20 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <166.7a08c25.2980f22c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:14:20 EST Status: RO In a message dated 23/1/02 11:09:39 PM, nejma@tds.net writes: << I did not, and you have no photographic proof!! Because I have a friend at Wal-Marts photolab that lied and said the machine ate the prints and negitives! HA! >> Aha but I DO have photographic proof AND signed affadivits (the camel talked). AND I've got a friend at Kodak... Snortle, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 23:51:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28561 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:51:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O5QeF05954; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:26:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O5QQT02933; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:26:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O5N7T02094 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:23:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.70]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020124052319.HTHA658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:23:19 -0600 Message-ID: <3C4F99F9.CB645D23@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test References: <166.7a08c25.2980f22c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:22:01 -0600 Status: RO Damn the luck! *L* LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 23/1/02 11:09:39 PM, nejma@tds.net writes: > > Aha but I DO have photographic proof AND signed affadivits (the camel > talked). AND I've got a friend at Kodak... > Snortle, > Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 23 23:52:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28566 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:52:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O5QZF05936; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:26:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O5QKT02894; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:26:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O5OTT02422 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:24:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA7EAE700E6; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:24:14 -0600 Message-ID: <005401c1a497$3c8d6180$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:23:18 -0500 Status: RO OFF-LIST MaggiRos, I was asking was the lady in the article your grandmother? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maggie Secara" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:11 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! > To my grandmother? Why yes, I am! :) > > > MaggiRos > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > > Behalf Of Penny Ladnier > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 5:29 AM > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! > > > > > > MaggiRos... are you kin to this lady???????? > > > > Penny Ladnier > > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > > http://www.costumegallery.com > > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maggie Secara" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 3:20 AM > > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maggie Secara > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Penny Ladnier > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 3:15 PM > > > > To: h-costume > > > > Subject: [h-cost] Here is the Associated Press Article!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the article that the Associated Press interviewed me for. I am > > > > quoted twice in the article, so look near the middle and near the end. > > The > > > > article should show up in your newspaper within the next two weeks in > > the > > > > fashion section. It went out on the AP wire on Jan. 21 to news sources > > > > around the world. Everyone please call your newspaper and ask them to > > run > > > > the article. If they do please save me a the entire page of the > > newspaper. > > > > I am making a large scrapbook of all the newspapers that run the > > article. > > > > Thanks, Penny > > > > > > > > > > > Girls grew up fast. "Even my 15-year-old sister _ her real name was > > > > Blossom but everybody called her Tootsie _ > > > > > > My grandmother's name is Hortense, but her brothers all called her > > Tootsie. :) > > > She, through my mother, assures me that "The Sweetheart of Sigma Chi" was > > > written for her. > > > > > > > > > MaggiRos > > > ~My Pi Phi girl!/I love you best of all fraternities... > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 00:01:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28619 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:01:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O5aZF06531; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:36:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O5aKT05538; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:36:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O5XUT04835 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:33:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.83.15cc4707 (3957) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:33:28 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <83.15cc4707.2980f6a7@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:33:27 EST Status: RO In a message dated 23/1/02 11:02:44 PM, martyr@gti.net writes: << Is it something to do with warm vs cool colors? >> Never did follow the "winter, spring, summer, fall" colour thing. Thought it was a bit silly when it came out. I have a prejudice against the yellow/orange family after having spent 4.5 years in Orlando Fla (Orange Blossom Trail, Orange County, The Orange Tree etc). Over load in a big way. But it's never been my favorite family. Always been a purple fiend even when it wasn't popular and the only way I could get purple was to make it myself. In 1973 Sears carried a shades of purple bedspread and I was sooooo glad to get it. Oh well just part of being... Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 01:26:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28840 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:26:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O71GF10429; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:01:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O710T25514; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O700T25249 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:00:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.24] (as3-4-92.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.78]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0O70Av26035 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:00:11 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:19:35 -0800 Status: RO At 11:53 PM -0600 1/23/02, Robin Netherton wrote: >I asked: >> >Can you tell us whether the "undistorted" >> >position tends to place those elevated arms forward to some degree, rather >> >than straight out to the sides? > >Heather replied: >OK, I wasn't clear. Let me try again. I'm not referring to the size of the >body panels, which governs the location of the armholes. I'm referring to >the shape and rotation of the sleeve within the armhole. This relates only >to set-in sleeves, where there's a part of the sleeve that's longer (at >the sleeve cap) and a part that's shorter (at the dip of the curve). We've >already discussed how the default position had the arms raised out from >the body to some degree, not hanging straight down. If your sleeve cap is >at the top of the shoulder, the neutral position of these sleeves/arms >would have them raised out to the sides. That is, if you are standing on a >clock face, facing toward the 12, your arms are rising up pointing at the >9 and the 3. But if your sleeve cap is rotated a bit toward the back of >the shoulder, the neutral position moves more in the direction of reaching >forward -- say, pointing toward the 10 and 2 on the clock face, or 11 and >1 for more of an extreme. The degree of forwardness and the degree of >elevation would depend on the combined factors of the height of the sleeve >cap and the rotation within the armhole. Ah ok, I know what you're talking about. In fact, one of the things that puzzled me about some of the medieval shaped sleeves (but now I'm forgetting which one -- I think it may have been the Moselund, but I'll have to check diagrams) was that if you lined up the sleeve the way it seemed to want to line up (based on a couple of different factors), you had a inward curve cut on the sleeve (what on a modern sleeve would be the underarm position) rotated to the front and matching the inward curve of the front panel ... which seemed to place the "undistorted" position with the arms at the _forward_ end of the range of motion. Let me go back and look at my diagrams and mock-ups so I'm sure which garment I'm talking about and I'll describe it better. >This rotation factor is independent of the amount of fabric at the back or >front of the body section. > >Put another way: The T-tunic shape doesn't allow for the forward motion, >and would automatically stick the arms out to the sides. The set-in sleeve >lets you move the default to the more natural somewhat-foward position of >the human arm. Did people take advantage of this as they developed the >set-in sleeve? I would think so, particularly if one reason for the >development of that cut was to remove the excess of fabric under the arm, >because that excess is greater at the front (where the dip should be >placed). But perhaps there was an intermediate stage where the t-tunic >shape was followed, and the rotation of the sleeve occurred later. I can >think of a reason this might have happened, but it is too hard to explain >without a blackboard, chalk, and eraser. Problem is, not all the published descriptions of garments give a clear indication of how the sleeves were oriented in the armscye. In a couple of examples, there's some indication due to actual angles in the sleeve edge that seem to match up with irregularities in the armscye (e.g. flat-topped underarm gusset meeting straight vertical back panel). And when there's a serious tapering from elbow to wrist, it's really awkward if you line it up anywhere except along the outer edge of the elbow. But otherwise, it depends on whether the person writing up the report mentions it specifically (or clearly indicates it in diagrams). Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 01:29:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28848 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:29:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O74FF10548; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:04:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O741T26115; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O73eT26040 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:03:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (morr0664.gti.net [208.216.122.64]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 63562145B59 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:03:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4FB1F7.6B360D27@gti.net> From: Deb Rand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test References: <83.15cc4707.2980f6a7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:04:23 -0500 Status: RO I think much of it is is based on the chakras.Yellow is the color of your solar plexus chakra and is for happines, growth optimism, etc. people who are depressed would be afriad or disinclined towards yellow in particular. Yellow is good for curiosity, learning, getting your juices going both learning and stomach. Deb > Never did follow the "winter, spring, summer, fall" colour thing. Thought it > was a bit silly when it came out. I have a prejudice against the > yellow/orange family after having spent 4.5 years in Orlando Fla (Orange > Blossom Trail, Orange County, The Orange Tree etc). Over load in a big way._ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 01:55:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28926 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:55:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O7UFF11447; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:30:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O7U0T02361; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:30:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O7TnT02315 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:29:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A7E0B5B00E6; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:29:36 -0600 Message-ID: <009801c1a4a8$b8f7e7c0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <83.15cc4707.2980f6a7@aol.com> <3C4FB1F7.6B360D27@gti.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:28:29 -0500 Status: RO hmm...... yellow was the last color I picked and my report came back with nothing negative. I picked red, then purple, black, orange... The first part of mine seemed like it didn't belong to the rest of the report. First paragraph said I was laid back. Which really isn't me. The other paragraphs, was right on the target. High energy and goal driven. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb Rand" To: Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test > I think much of it is is based on the chakras.Yellow is the color of your solar > plexus chakra and is for happines, growth optimism, etc. people who are > depressed would be afriad or disinclined towards yellow in particular. > Yellow is good for curiosity, learning, getting your juices going both > learning and stomach. > Deb > > > > Never did follow the "winter, spring, summer, fall" colour thing. Thought it > > was a bit silly when it came out. I have a prejudice against the > > yellow/orange family after having spent 4.5 years in Orlando Fla (Orange > > Blossom Trail, Orange County, The Orange Tree etc). Over load in a big way._ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 03:16:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA31139 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:16:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O8pIF14144; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:51:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O8p1T20008; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O8oWT19890 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:50:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-63.frys.com [66.121.20.63]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0O8mhr17509 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:48:44 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020124003920.00dac6a0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test/1919 fashion colors In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EC3@tko-exch.phoenix.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:44:37 -0800 Status: RO >Speaking of moving & of colors ... we will be moving into a 1919 house. >(Calif high-style Craftsman; not the bungalow style.) Can anyone pitch in >with color ideas? I'm having a terrible time finding sites with color >pictures of original stuff. 'Bout ready to give up and just use the fashion >colors of the day. Problem there is that '19 is one of those transition >times... not really 20's style, it's not Nouveau, it's not bold Deco, not >war years & not classic teens look. Help? I have, here and unpacked, several books about houses/interiors/furnishings of this period, including a portfolio of repro wallpaper. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 03:26:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA31169 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:26:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0O91GF14773; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:01:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O911T22055; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0O902T21866 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:59:11 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ECF@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:Craftsman House/1919 fashion colors MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:00:11 -0800 Status: RO Looks delicious! (Amazon has 20 sample pages & pics up.) Thank you, Theresa. You're exactly right with the extensive woodwork & wainscotting. (everywhere!) Bare wood showing everywhere in that book ... ours must have been painted 6 bazillion times. DebR spake>That look would be pretty pricey to dupe, I'm guessing, We'll be adding a lot of "sweat equity". Kayta offered books> yay! responded off list. If anyone wants to lend us a medieval tapestry for the wall... maybe next year? --cin Cynthia in Tokyo > I have a book called "In the Arts and Crafts Style", by Barbara Mayer, > all about the houses and accoutrements of the era. The interiors show > either white/off-white walls (which may be a more contemporary > treatment) to show off the extensive woodwork or really high > wainscoating with wallpaper in William Morris-type prints. > The colors in > the wallpapers are the kind you see in those faded medieval > tapestries - > sagey green, off-brown, red in between brown and pink, faded gold, and > light periwinkle. I'm so envious of your new-old house and I hope you > have a fabulous time decorating it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 06:35:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA31786 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:35:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OCAaF20402; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 05:10:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OCA0T13597; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 05:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OC9LT13496 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 05:09:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C13173A86EE for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:10:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005d01c1a4d8$73ab9380$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: <189.2442dd8.2980e661@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:10:09 -0600 Status: RO A bad pun is its own re-word. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:24 PM Subject: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... > I've just had a horrible pun. I'm going to call my rag bag "The Crisper", > after all where DOES one keep the cabbage? > Ducking and running, > Lady G > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 07:27:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA32021 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:27:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OD2GF22040; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:02:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OD20T24126; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OD1QT24027 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:01:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-81.frys.com [66.121.20.81]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0OCxcr20784 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 04:59:38 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020124022503.00d947e0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:Craftsman House/1919 fashion colors In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ECF@tko-exch.phoenix.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:02:47 -0800 Status: RO Cyn - can't find sites? I tried to keep this to textile sites, but the antique stores will have what period textiles they can get, and the bookstores will have books with pictures of period furnishing textiles in them. (from the Fall/Winter 'Style 1900' magazine) Prarie Textiles (www.annwallace.com) - repro textile stuff The Craftsman Home, Berkeley (www.craftsmanhome.com) - antiques, etc. The Gamble House, Pasadena (www.gamblehouse.org) - this is the big craftsman house featured in 'Back to the Future' Willow Glen Books, and Willow Glen Kitchens, San Jose (www.willowglen.com) Bradbury and Bradbury, Benicia (www.bradbury.com) - repro wallpaper The Persian Carpet (www.artsandcraftscarpets.com) Jax Arts and Crafts Rugs (jaxrugs.com) Charles Rupert (www.charles-rupert.com) - wallpaper and fabrics The Arts and Crafts Press, Berkeley? (www.artsandcraftspress.com) Thistle Handworks (www.thistlehandworks.com) - repro textile stuff (and there's a lace curtain place and a dress fabric place which must be in the other magazine) 'Style 1900' and 'American Craftsman' magazines are available at Barnes and Noble bookstores. Cynthia Barnes writes, in a message sent 01:00 AM 1/24/02 -0800: >Looks delicious! (Amazon has 20 sample pages & pics up.) Thank you, >Theresa. You're exactly right with the extensive woodwork & wainscotting. >(everywhere!) Bare wood showing everywhere in that book ... ours must have >been painted 6 bazillion times. > >DebR spake>That look would be pretty pricey to dupe, I'm guessing, >We'll be adding a lot of "sweat equity". > >Kayta offered books> yay! responded off list. > >If anyone wants to lend us a medieval tapestry for the wall... maybe next >year? >--cin >Cynthia in Tokyo > > > I have a book called "In the Arts and Crafts Style", by Barbara Mayer, > > all about the houses and accoutrements of the era. The interiors show > > either white/off-white walls (which may be a more contemporary > > treatment) to show off the extensive woodwork or really high > > wainscoating with wallpaper in William Morris-type prints. > > The colors in > > the wallpapers are the kind you see in those faded medieval > > tapestries - > > sagey green, off-brown, red in between brown and pink, faded gold, and > > light periwinkle. I'm so envious of your new-old house and I hope you > > have a fabulous time decorating it. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 08:09:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01282 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:09:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ODiIF23846; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:44:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ODi1T03904; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ODhjT03819 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:43:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA17351.; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:51:22 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:43:44 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knitting at ren. faires Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0ODhjT03819 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:43:33 +0000 Status: RO Jean Waddie wrote: >Don't know if it's appropriate for the date, but I do endless lucet >cord, which is easy to do even when people talk to you. Hubby uses it >to hold up his mail leggings, and at least one piece breaks in every >battle. Just-in-time mending techniques! I find that lucet-ing (?) in a 17th century LH camp attracts almost as much interest from the public as playing music does, even when I'm not the only person doing it. PS Sent www.dabbler.com/ndlwrk/stocking.html direct to the original enquirer, as requested. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 09:14:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04152 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:14:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OEnMF28116; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:49:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OEn1T22743; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepA.post.tele.dk (fepA.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OEmIT22564 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:48:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.202]) by fepA.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020124144833.IMVS27566.fepA.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:48:33 +0100 Message-ID: <3C501EB9.7000708@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Merveilleuse Muck Up Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:48:25 +0100 Status: RO Hi. I promised you some photos of my version of the Merveilleuse Dress from 1803. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/regency.htm Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 09:42:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04260 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:42:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OFHJF00675; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:17:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OFH1T03727; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OFGCT03369 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:16:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m163.in-tch.com [216.166.191.163]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0OF52v12733 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:05:02 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C50264F.203224DF@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <83.15cc4707.2980f6a7@aol.com> <3C4FB1F7.6B360D27@gti.net> <009801c1a4a8$b8f7e7c0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT: A Teddy Fan Club Test Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:20:47 -0700 Status: RO Yeah, same sort of discrepancy with me (although I'm starting to forget the specifics), although reversed. The first part was eerily spot-on, and the last bit (where they were describing as management material) not only really didn't have anything to do with the rest of it, but was _really_ not me. I'm good at a lot of things, but managing other people is *not* one of them. --Sue Penny Ladnier wrote: > > hmm...... yellow was the last color I picked and my report came back with > nothing negative. I picked red, then purple, black, orange... > > The first part of mine seemed like it didn't belong to the rest of the > report. First paragraph said I was laid back. Which really isn't me. The > other paragraphs, was right on the target. High energy and goal driven. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 09:54:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04337 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:54:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OFTHF01860; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:29:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OFT0T08931; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OFSWT08712 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:28:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m163.in-tch.com [216.166.191.163]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0OFHMv18446 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:17:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C502934.2FCB7A55@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... References: <189.2442dd8.2980e661@aol.com> <005d01c1a4d8$73ab9380$0d604e40@suscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:33:08 -0700 Status: RO ***GROAN**** Bad costumer, _no_ biscuit..... --Sue (who fears that one day, she'll make one too many puns, and someone will make her a herald ) Greg and Dianne Stucki wrote: > > A bad pun is its own re-word. > > Dianne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:24 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... > > > I've just had a horrible pun. I'm going to call my rag bag "The Crisper", > > after all where DOES one keep the cabbage? > > Ducking and running, > > Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 10:02:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04386 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:02:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OFbHF02674; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:37:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OFb0T12388; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.wireweb.net ([64.243.192.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OFaFT12094 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:36:16 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200201240930.AA2274033832@mail.wireweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Alexandria Doyle" X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test X-Mailer: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:30:47 -0600 Status: RO >In a message dated 23/1/02 11:02:44 PM, martyr@gti.net writes: > ><< Is it something to do with warm vs cool colors? >> > >Never did follow the "winter, spring, summer, fall" colour thing. What I thought was interesting about the "winter, spring, summer, fall" colour schemes was that I was already pretty much wearing those colours. I had a few items that were in other colours that I never wore, they just were never "right" when I pulled them out. Now, there are certain colours that I'm told I can wear, but I refuse to. Alexandria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 10:31:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04486 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:31:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OG6IF06037; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:06:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OG61T27447; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OG5uT27396 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:05:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.11e.aa288e2 (3925) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:06:05 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <11e.aa288e2.29818aec@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:06:04 EST Status: RO In a message dated 24/1/02 9:29:46 AM, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: << --Sue (who fears that one day, she'll make one too many puns, and someone will make her a herald ) >> Sue, you make that sound like a PUNishment. Besides, if someone makes you a Herald that would be a good thing, think of all the work you could make him/her do and you could get more sewing done in your new spare time. Grins, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 10:38:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04532 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:38:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OGDHF06927; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:13:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OGD0T01370; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OGCCT00935 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:12:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.91.170e185e (3925) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:12:01 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <91.170e185e.29818c50@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:12:00 EST Status: RO In a message dated 24/1/02 9:37:52 AM, dragonlair@wireweb.net writes: << Now, there are certain colours that I'm told I can wear, but I refuse to. Alexandria >> People tell me I look good in teal or yellow or any shade of orange (I will make a consession to orange with rust but it has to be a brownish rust), personally those are 3 colours I wouldn't even be buried in. I also won't wear blue and gold together. School uniforms will do that to you. I steadfastly refuse to wear my skirts at knee level. Short is fine, ankle length is fine, just not knee length. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 10:41:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04549 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:41:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OGGLF07358; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:16:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OGG2T03019; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OGF8T02512 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:15:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.3f.56913f0 (3925) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:15:09 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <3f.56913f0.29818d0d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:15:09 EST Status: RO In a message dated 24/1/02 6:12:36 AM, goofy1@suscom.net writes: << A bad pun is its own re-word. Dianne >> If you teach a punster to sew you'll be able to keep each other in stitches, on several levels. Running, ducking and hiding, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 10:58:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04615 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:58:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OGXHF09245; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:33:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OGX1T12167; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OGWcT11947 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:32:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from picard.dnaco.net (picard.dnaco.net [207.238.206.4]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0OGXtd11497 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by picard.dnaco.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA05978 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:36:19 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: picard.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage In-Reply-To: <3C4F6AE0.7050803@accessus.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:36:19 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Karen Heim wrote: > I'm sure IKEA is great, if you live near a store (since the online > catalog admits that there is more to see in the store than they show > you), OR if you can get them to send you a D**N catalog! I've tried > several times to get a catalog sent to me (since the nearest store is in > Chicagoland), but NOOO, they aren't interested in my money. We drive 5 hours to the nearest IKEA. In Pittsburg. :) I've heard bad things about their mailorder service, but the store is fantastic! Drea > > Karen (grumbling to no one in particular) > > aleed wrote: > > > > >I've found the IKEA shelves, with the extension to make them 8 feet tall, > >are a fabric collector's dream come true. They come in a number of > >different woods, are pretty cheap, sturdy, and come with attachable > >cupboard doors. They can fit 60" wide fabric bolts, and you can place the > >shelves to hold 45" wide fabric bolts or 60" if you like. I lined a whole > >wall of my sewing room with them, and at 8 feet tall they look built in. > > > >Drea (self-confessed IKEA Junkie) > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 11:14:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04672 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:14:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OGnIF11204; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:49:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OGn0T21143; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OGmeT20908 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:48:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.7a.212da205 (16633) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:48:40 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.212da205.298194e8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7a.212da205.298194e8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:48:40 EST Status: RO --part1_7a.212da205.298194e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/24/02 11:17:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, LadyGryphon@aol.com writes: > > If you teach a punster to sew you'll be able to keep each other in > stitches, > on several levels. > Running, ducking and hiding, > And well you should ! Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_7a.212da205.298194e8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/24/02 11:17:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, LadyGryphon@aol.com writes:



If you teach a punster to sew you'll be able to keep each other in stitches,
on several levels.
Running, ducking and hiding,
Lady G


            And well you should !
Lalah
Never Give up, Never Surrender,
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--part1_7a.212da205.298194e8_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 11:17:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04684 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:17:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OGqHF11656; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:52:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OGq0T22907; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OGpjT22796 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:51:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 6.61.19c9ae8f (3925) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:51:48 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <61.19c9ae8f.298195a4@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:51:48 EST Status: RO In a message dated 24/1/02 10:49:55 AM, LalahTT@aol.com writes: >Running, ducking and hiding, Lady G< >>And well you should ! Lalah<< Hey at least I'm multi-talented enough to do 3 things at once. See? Run, duck, hide. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 11:40:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04751 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:40:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OHEHF14535; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:14:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OHE0T05720; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20404.mail.yahoo.com (web20404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0OHDLT05367 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:13:21 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020124171335.69034.qmail@web20404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:13:35 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123090047.00a79d58@blue.ucdavis.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:13:35 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Gwyn Carnegie wrote: > > This test is based on a pretty well known > psychological diagnostics tool > called the Luscher Color Test. > > The colors > are not true; i.e. the > red isn't primary red but a tomato red. Carl > Luscher's choose the off > colors specifically, for a variety of reasons. Hmm, the specific shade of the color is important, but every computer moniter displays shades slightly differently. I would expect this would lower whatever validity this test had in the first place. For example, most oranges I don't like a whole lot, but this one showed up on my screen like a rust-brown, barely deserving of the name "orange", and I did kinda like it. -Angela P.S. The site didn't work for me either. I pick one color, it says it's generating my personal profile, and then it gives me a screen saying it hopes that was informative and would I like to try again. I'll have to try it on a different computer. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 11:43:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04760 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:43:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OHIHF15266; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:18:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OHI1T08289; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OHHKT07894 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:17:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.17f.295ef1a (16633) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:17:29 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <17f.295ef1a.29819ba9@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17f.295ef1a.29819ba9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:17:29 EST Status: RO --part1_17f.295ef1a.29819ba9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you run, duck and hide all at the same time, or one at a time in that order? Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? 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Lalah
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--part1_17f.295ef1a.29819ba9_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 11:45:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04769 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:45:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OHKIF15550; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:20:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OHK0T09426; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OHJ0T08833 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.5]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020124171915.XORJ658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:19:15 -0600 Message-ID: <3C5041C2.E4774C8A@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse Muck Up References: <3C501EB9.7000708@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:17:54 -0600 Status: RO Wow! That is beautiful Bjarne! *le sigh* I wish I could wear dresses with trains. Katie Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi. > I promised you some photos of my version of the Merveilleuse Dress from > 1803. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/regency.htm > > Bjarne > > -- > > Leif Drews > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > 1635 København V > > Bjarne Drews > Åboulevard 5,3.th > 1635 København V > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 11:46:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04774 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:46:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OHLIF15663; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:21:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OHL1T09999; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20306.mail.yahoo.com (web20306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0OHKtT09940 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:20:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020124172110.79862.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.109.123] by web20306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:21:10 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020124171335.69034.qmail@web20404.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:21:10 -0800 (PST) Status: RO It's a good thing I know that I'm content with life and happily married, because the test basically told me that I'm miserable, fearful and alone! Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 11:49:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04785 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:49:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OHNIF15931; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:23:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OHN1T11112; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OHMvT11075 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:22:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.5.1) with ESMTP id g0OHNCO29195 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:23:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124083757.00a7a020@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EC3@tko-exch.phoenix.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_4965062==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] 1919 fashion colors (was RE: A Teddy Fan Club Test/1919 fashion colors) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:21:10 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_4965062==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Congratulations on the house! Now this is something I do know. There is a paint company that does a color line specifically for restoration house. The color ways are broken down into eras. Shermin William has one called the Preservation Palette that contains actual color developed by the American Life Foundation from period sources. I'm pretty sure Standard Brands has one titled "The American Heritage Collection". Here is one website with photos of restoration exterior paint http://www.arts-crafts.com/market/robs/early20.html (I love the 1917 American Foursquare). When you really begin to go into restoration mode, ask your local historical society for references.They should be able to hook you up with paint contractors with a better feel for the esthetic of the period. If you decide to go for broke and wallpaper, I can't praise Bradbury & Bradbury enough http://www.bradbury.com/. It just doesn't get any better. When I began restoring my house, I collected a ton of links which are, of course, all stored on my home computer. They include everything from reproduction rugs and restoration hardware to garden supplies and even some reproduction furniture and lighting. I can send them to you in an html file (I think) and to anyone else who wants them. As to the style of the house, there are a couple of things you can do to identify it. My first guess would be that it's a kit house. I can give you some pointers as to how to tell if it was. Just drop me a note off the list and I'll try to give you a hand. Also, here is a very brief introduction to architecture types of the period: http://www.ragtime.org/arch/index.html. That should hopefully help you identify what is a distinguishing characteristic and what isn't. And then of course once you finish working on the house, you have to begin collecting all the clothing from the period too >; ) At 04:54 PM 1/23/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Speaking of moving & of colors ... we will be moving into a 1919 house. >(Calif high-style Craftsman; not the bungalow style.) Can anyone pitch in >with color ideas? I'm having a terrible time finding sites with color >pictures of original stuff. 'Bout ready to give up and just use the fashion >colors of the day. Problem there is that '19 is one of those transition >times... not really 20's style, it's not Nouveau, it's not bold Deco, not >war years & not classic teens look. Help? >--cin >In Tokyo, but not for very much longer Gwyn Carnegie; who now owns too many 1900 to 1925 hats - everyone has to have a weakness >; ) University of California, Davis --=====================_4965062==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Congratulations on the house! 

Now this is something I do know.  There is a paint company that does a color line specifically for restoration house. The color ways are broken down into eras.    Shermin William has one called the Preservation Palette that contains actual color developed by the American Life Foundation from period sources.  I'm pretty sure
 Standard Brands has one titled "The American Heritage Collection".   Here is one website with photos of restoration exterior paint http://www.arts-crafts.com/market/robs/early20.html (I love the 1917 American Foursquare).   When you really begin to go into restoration mode, ask your local historical society for references.They should be able to hook you up with paint contractors with a better feel for the esthetic of the period. 

If you decide to go for broke and wallpaper, I can't praise Bradbury & Bradbury enough http://www.bradbury.com/.  It just doesn't get any better.

When I began restoring my house, I collected a ton of links which are, of course, all stored on my home computer. They include everything from reproduction rugs and restoration hardware to garden supplies and even some reproduction furniture and lighting.  I can send them to you in an html file (I think) and to anyone else who wants them.

As to the style of the house, there are a couple of things you can do to identify it.  My first guess would be that it's a kit house.  I can give you some pointers as to how to tell if it was.  Just drop me a note off the list and I'll try to give you a hand.  Also, here is a very brief introduction to architecture types of the period:  http://www.ragtime.org/arch/index.html.  That should hopefully help you identify what is a distinguishing characteristic and what isn't.

And then of course once you finish working on the house, you have to begin collecting all the clothing from the period too >; )

At 04:54 PM 1/23/2002 -0800, you wrote:

Speaking of moving & of colors ... we will be moving into a 1919 house.
(Calif high-style Craftsman; not the bungalow style.)  Can anyone pitch in
with color ideas?  I'm having a terrible time finding sites with color
pictures of original stuff.  'Bout ready to give up and just use the fashion
colors of the day.  Problem there is that '19 is one of those transition
times... not really 20's style, it's not Nouveau, it's not bold Deco, not
war years & not classic teens look.  Help?
--cin
In Tokyo, but not for very much longer

Gwyn Carnegie;  who now owns too many 1900 to 1925 hats - everyone has to have a weakness >; )
University of California, Davis

--=====================_4965062==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 11:54:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04811 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:54:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OHTIF16733; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:29:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OHT0T14541; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OHSHT14105 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:28:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.199.18d45da (30950) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:28:22 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <199.18d45da.29819e36@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:28:22 EST Status: RO In a message dated 24/1/02 11:19:27 AM, LalahTT@aol.com writes: << Do you run, duck and hide all at the same time, or one at a time in that order? Lalah >> Actually I can do all three at the same time and am generally changing colours while I'm doing it. Big Grins, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 12:09:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04868 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:09:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OHiHF18552; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:44:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OHi0T23370; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OHhUT22923 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:43:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.5.1) with ESMTP id g0OHhjO09881 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:43:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124093507.023f6e80@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse Muck Up In-Reply-To: <3C501EB9.7000708@post12.tele.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_6198500==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:46:29 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_6198500==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Absolutely Fabulous Bjarne! I'm in awe of the embroidery. Did anyone catch the fontage in the background? I love those things. At 03:48 PM 1/24/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hi. >I promised you some photos of my version of the Merveilleuse Dress from 1803. >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/regency.htm > >Bjarne Gwyn Carnegie University of California, Davis --=====================_6198500==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Absolutely Fabulous Bjarne!  I'm in awe of the embroidery. 

Did anyone catch the fontage in the background?  I love those things.

At 03:48 PM 1/24/2002 +0100, you wrote:

Hi.
I promised you some photos of my version of the Merveilleuse Dress from 1803.
http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/regency.htm

Bjarne

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California, Davis
--=====================_6198500==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 12:19:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05525 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:19:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OHsIF19795; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:54:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OHs0T01378; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0OHr5T00901 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:53:06 -0700 (MST) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Thu Jan 24 11:53:17 2002 -0600 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:53:16 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0OHr5T00901 Subject: [h-cost] knitting at ren. faires Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:53:13 -0600 Status: RO I find that lucet-ing (?) in a 17th century LH camp attracts almost as much interest from the public as playing music does, even when I'm not the only person doing it. PS Sent www.dabbler.com/ndlwrk/stocking.html direct to the original enquirer, as requested. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. I got my whole camp doing this at a war last summer. The cords came in *very* handy for repairs after a blow knocked a lot of tents down. A piece was also used as a last-minute lacing for someone who was late to court :). I have found it handy to keep one lucet going with a lt-weight cotton and use the resulting cord for shirt ties. Much better than ribbons, they never come undone! I was doing this at Renfaire one time and a patron said it was the same method her family had used during the depression to make shoelaces but they used scraps of string and a big two-pronged kitchen fork :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 12:29:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05557 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:29:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OI3IF21097; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:03:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OI31T08090; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OI2ST07640 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:02:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0OI49P06962 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:04:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200201241804.g0OI49P06962@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage In-Reply-To: "from aleed at Jan 24, 2002 11:36:19 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:04:09 -0800 (PST) Status: RO my housemate and I used to rent a truck and drive to southern california about once every 18 months to hit the IKEAs there - about a 7 hour drive. Now there's one int he Bay Area, I go every few months, cause I'm a junkie too. I had a party when the bay area IKEA opened. :) .heather. > > > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Karen Heim wrote: > > > I'm sure IKEA is great, if you live near a store (since the online > > catalog admits that there is more to see in the store than they show > > you), OR if you can get them to send you a D**N catalog! I've tried > > several times to get a catalog sent to me (since the nearest store is in > > Chicagoland), but NOOO, they aren't interested in my money. > > We drive 5 hours to the nearest IKEA. In Pittsburg. :) I've heard bad > things about their mailorder service, but the store is fantastic! > > Drea > > > > > Karen (grumbling to no one in particular) > > > > aleed wrote: > > > > > > > >I've found the IKEA shelves, with the extension to make them 8 feet tall, > > >are a fabric collector's dream come true. They come in a number of > > >different woods, are pretty cheap, sturdy, and come with attachable > > >cupboard doors. They can fit 60" wide fabric bolts, and you can place the > > >shelves to hold 45" wide fabric bolts or 60" if you like. I lined a whole > > >wall of my sewing room with them, and at 8 feet tall they look built in. > > > > > >Drea (self-confessed IKEA Junkie) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 16:01:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06538 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:01:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OLaLF18143; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:36:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OLZqT09177; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:35:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from urdvg135.cms.usa.net (urdvg135.cms.usa.net [204.68.25.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0OLWjT07383 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:32:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 21602 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 21:33:12 -0000 Received: from cpdvg202.cms.usa.net (165.212.10.6) by outbound.postoffice.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 21:33:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 23619 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2002 21:25:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20020124212523.23618.qmail@cpdvg202.cms.usa.net> Received: from 206.163.135.19 [206.163.135.19] by cpdvg202.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer 34FM.0700.28.01B); Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:25:23 +0000 From: Shea Young To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.28.01B) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0OLWjT07383 Subject: [h-cost] Craftsmans 1919 fashion colors Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 24 Jan 2002 13:25:23 PST Status: RO Cin, The Greene Brothers built many such homes in California AND they were fascinated by Japanese design, colors, etc. What a coincidence, eh? Not really, it was still all the rage... Here is their home page: http://thunder.sonic.net/~mityam/index.html It might be a good place to start. Most original linens, furnishings, etc. that I come across are earth and jewel tones - typical craftsman. Shea Cynthia Barnes wrote: > Speaking of moving & of colors ... we will be moving into a 1919 house. > (Calif high-style Craftsman; not the bungalow style.) Can anyone pitch > in with color ideas? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 16:35:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06702 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:35:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OMAAF22245; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:10:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OM9pT28394; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:09:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OM7rT27340 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:07:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Ts2S-000AQe-0B for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:08:09 +0000 Message-ID: <2rx$vmBXjGU8Iw10@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] knitting at ren. faires References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:04:39 +0000 Status: RO Catherine Kinsey wrote >I find that lucet-ing (?) in a 17th century LH camp attracts almost as >much interest from the public as playing music does, even when I'm not >the only person doing it. > >PS Sent www.dabbler.com/ndlwrk/stocking.html direct to the original >enquirer, as requested. > >Kate Bunting >Library, University of Derby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > >I got my whole camp doing this at a war last summer. The cords came in >*very* handy for repairs after a blow knocked a lot of tents down. A >piece was also used as a last-minute lacing for someone who was late to >court :). I have found it handy to keep one lucet going with a >lt-weight cotton and use the resulting cord for shirt ties. Much >better than ribbons, they never come undone! > >I was doing this at Renfaire one time and a patron said it was the same >method her family had used during the depression to make shoelaces but >they used scraps of string and a big two-pronged kitchen fork :). > >Catherine People always ask "what are you making, what's it for", and my response is "string". I explain that it's much stronger than just a spun thread, and you can use it for anything you need to tie. "String, string, string string, everybody needs string..." Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 16:48:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06795 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:48:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OMNAF23964; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:23:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OMMqT05966; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:22:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OMIxT03649 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:18:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from tolt489 by mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: [153.39.154.23]) id QQlzgb21034 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:19:15 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] lucet at ren. faires Priority: normal In-reply-to: <2rx$vmBXjGU8Iw10@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:19:28 -0500 Status: RO On 24 Jan 02, at 20:04, Jean Waddie wrote: e > > People always ask "what are you making, what's it for", and my > response is "string". I explain that it's much stronger than just a > spun thread, and you can use it for anything you need to tie. > > "String, string, string string, everybody needs string..." > > Jean I always say I'm making big string out of little string... ;-) --Jessica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 17:05:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06892 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:05:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OMdRF25765; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:39:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OMd7T14737; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:39:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OMc6T14201 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:38:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16386 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p7.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.135]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA13531 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:38:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201242238.RAA13531@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:33:28 -0500 Status: RO At 08:27 PM 01/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Speaking of camel dung, that's what the results are. All >it really proves is I like purples and abhor orange! Does that mean purple >people are nicer than orange people? Somehow I doubt it. Did the oranges get >"worse scores" than the purple people did? SPILL! I think I got the results I did because I picked red first, then green... Someone decided that these are disharmonious, anti-social colors, and therefore the results are skewed. Not fair, if you ask me. I bet the people who got 'nice' results picked blue first. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 17:08:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06906 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:08:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OMhJF26155; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:43:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OMh0T16913; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OMgHT16447 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:42:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17137 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:42:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p7.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.135]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA13921 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:42:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201242242.RAA13921@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study In-Reply-To: <3C4F76DC.3986E6D2@in-tch.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:37:37 -0500 Status: RO At 07:52 PM 01/23/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Gawd, what would that about those of us who have a sort of >generic-mongrel-Heinz57-british-isles type of ethnic background....? >Sue, WASP-ish far enough back to wear yellow and black stripes...;-P Beats the heck out of me, since I fall in that category, too :D I think the study was done in England, in areas where the population base isn't so mixed as it is in the States. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 17:15:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06968 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:15:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OMoJF27011; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:50:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OMo0T20721; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OMnYT20481 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:49:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18312 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p7.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.135]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA14731 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:49:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201242249.RAA14731@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test In-Reply-To: <009801c1a4a8$b8f7e7c0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <83.15cc4707.2980f6a7@aol.com> <3C4FB1F7.6B360D27@gti.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:44:56 -0500 Status: RO I picked, red, then green, then grey, then brown, or something like that. Got results that said I was going through a lot of turmoil (snort). This reminds me of the experiment where a prof. gave everyone in his class a horoscope that, he told them, had been done just for them, based on their birthdate, and told them to rate it on a 1 to 10 scale for accuracy. They all rated it pretty highly. Then he had them pass it to the person behind them in the row of seats. They were all the same horoscope. We read what we want to into these things. -- Mara At 02:28 AM 01/24/2002 -0500, you wrote: >hmm...... yellow was the last color I picked and my report came back with >nothing negative. I picked red, then purple, black, orange... > >The first part of mine seemed like it didn't belong to the rest of the >report. First paragraph said I was laid back. Which really isn't me. The >other paragraphs, was right on the target. High energy and goal driven. > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 17:20:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07003 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:20:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OMtLF27586; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:55:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OMt0T23397; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:55:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OMsdT23205 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:54:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19254 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p7.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.135]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA15327 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:54:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201242254.RAA15327@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse Muck Up In-Reply-To: <3C501EB9.7000708@post12.tele.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:49:24 -0500 Status: RO At 03:48 PM 01/24/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hi. >I promised you some photos of my version of the Merveilleuse Dress from >1803. > >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/regency.htm > >Bjarne It's beautiful, Bjarne! Thanks for sharing, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 17:23:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07019 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:23:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OMwJF27941; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:58:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OMw1T24954; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20305.mail.yahoo.com (web20305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0OMviT24795 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:57:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020124225800.66260.qmail@web20305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.109.123] by web20305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:58:00 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200201242238.RAA13531@saltmine.radix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:58:00 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > I think I got the results I did because I picked red > first, then green...Someone decided that these are >disharmonious, anti-social colors, and therefore the >results are skewed. > -- Mara I picked green first, then red, then black and the program decided that I am a lonely unhappy misanthrope! I'll cop to "crabby", but I really have to draw the line at "misanthropic." ;-) Seriously, I'm glad I'm in good mental health, because if I was "on the edge" and then got that report about how miserable I supposedly am, it could really do some damage. Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 17:25:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07050 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:25:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ON0JF28178; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:00:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ON01T25960; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OMxNT25623 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:59:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020124225935.VDOY3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:59:35 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c5391ae.251864672@mail.attbi.com> References: <200201242238.RAA13531@saltmine.radix.net> In-Reply-To: <200201242238.RAA13531@saltmine.radix.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0OMxNT25623 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:59:45 GMT Status: RO On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:33:28 -0500, the following was written in this electric book by Kevin + Mara Riley : >At 08:27 PM 01/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>Speaking of camel dung, that's what the results are. All >>it really proves is I like purples and abhor orange! Does that mean purple >>people are nicer than orange people? Somehow I doubt it. Did the oranges get >>"worse scores" than the purple people did? SPILL! > >I think I got the results I did because I picked red first, then green... >Someone decided that these are disharmonious, anti-social colors, and >therefore the results are skewed. Not fair, if you ask me. I bet the >people who got 'nice' results picked blue first. Nope. Blue is my favorite colour. I'm one of those that is supposed to be lonely, alone, and hopeloess fo finding anyone to be with, which is false. :P Maura Bass ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 18:36:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07389 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:36:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P0BLF05973; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:11:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P0B1T29800; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P0AoT29682 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:10:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.109.c5240ad (3956) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:10:47 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <109.c5240ad.2981fc87@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:10:47 EST Status: RO In a message dated 24/1/02 4:41:34 PM, lindo@radix.net writes: <> I picked purple, blue, black, red, grey, green, yellow, and the nasty orange. All the colours that were listed as "depressing" colours when I was growing up first and the "upbeat cheerful" colours last and got rave reviews. I may not have the grey, green and yellow in the right order but I did have them in the middle. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 19:00:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07482 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:00:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P0YJF08214; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:34:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P0Y0T09376; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P0XaT09092 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:33:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:33:48 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ED0@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:33:47 -0800 Status: RO Any more like this and I'll need serger-y. --cin in tokyo > If you teach a punster to sew you'll be able to keep each > other in stitches, on several levels. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 19:30:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07575 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:30:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P15LF10827; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:05:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P151T21718; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P14NT21464 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:04:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.f3.15358a88 (17381) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:04:27 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:04:27 EST Status: RO In a message dated 24/1/02 6:35:42 PM, Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com writes: << Any more like this and I'll need serger-y. --cin in tokyo >> Sorry Cin, didn't mean to keep needling you and sew will do my best to clip this thread. I know it's hard to pin down a punster. Sometimes it seams like once the pattern gets started there's just no end to it. Grins, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 20:05:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07703 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:05:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P1eKF13329; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:40:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P1e0T08149; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P1dCT07807 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:39:13 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0P1esk08924 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:40:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200201250140.g0P1esk08924@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... In-Reply-To: "from LadyGryphon@aol.com at Jan 24, 2002 08:04:27 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:40:54 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Don't you mean, it' seams like there's no finish? > In a message dated 24/1/02 6:35:42 PM, Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com writes: > << Any more like this and I'll need serger-y. > > --cin in tokyo >> > > Sorry Cin, didn't mean to keep needling you and sew will do my best to clip > this thread. I know it's hard to pin down a punster. Sometimes it seams like > once the pattern gets started there's just no end to it. > Grins, > Lady G > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 20:17:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07724 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:17:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P1qKF14386; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:52:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P1q1T12922; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P1pZT12768 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:51:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.cf.11c10203 (3949) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:51:43 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:51:43 EST Status: RO In a message dated 24/1/02 7:42:16 PM, alice@wonderland.com writes: << Don't you mean, it' seams like there's no finish? >> We've got to stop punning, we'll bias people against us, then where will we be? Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 20:20:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07743 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:20:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P1tLF14615; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:55:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P1t2T13934; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P1stT13871 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:54:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from DarlaKDavis@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.16e.7ae027d (1332) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:55:00 -0500 (EST) From: DarlaKDavis@aol.com Message-ID: <16e.7ae027d.298214f3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16e.7ae027d.298214f3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10556 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:54:59 EST Status: RO --part1_16e.7ae027d.298214f3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/24/02 5:53:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, LadyGryphon@aol.com writes: > We've got to stop punning, we'll bias people against us, then where will we > be? > Lady G > or bee? Katrin (who also cottons to a good pun) --part1_16e.7ae027d.298214f3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/24/02 5:53:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, LadyGryphon@aol.com writes:


We've got to stop punning, we'll bias people against us, then where will we
be?
Lady G


or bee?

Katrin (who also cottons to a good pun) --part1_16e.7ae027d.298214f3_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 20:27:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07754 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:27:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P22KF15052; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:02:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P221T16326; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P218T16080 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:01:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13584 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:17:26 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] knitting again In-Reply-To: <200201221420.AA2080702688@mail.wireweb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:17:26 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Alexandria Doyle wrote: > I have a questions regarding the knitting madonna's and other > representations of knitting prior to 1600, when knitting in the round, > how many needles were they using? I don't know anything about knitting, but this does give me a great opening to plug one of the DISTAFF sessions at the International Medieval Congress at Kalamazoo this May. We're having a session just on medieval knitting & other non-woven textiles. Anne Reaves, who is accomplished at medieval knitting techniques, will be talking on "The Iconography of Knitting Madonnas." The other speakers are Chris Laning on "Motifs and Technology in Knitted Silk Purses of the 14th Century," and Anne Marie Decker on "The Forgotten Technique of Nalbinding." All three women are known to some members of this list. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 20:35:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07785 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:35:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P2AMF15593; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:10:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P2A1T18841; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P296T18514 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:09:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16Tvnu-0006Ld-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:09:22 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:12:13 -0500 Status: RO Drea, you say you are only 5 hours from Pittsburgh. What town? I am from Pittsburgh, although I do not live there at present. -Megan McHugh -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of aleed Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:36 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Karen Heim wrote: > I'm sure IKEA is great, if you live near a store (since the online > catalog admits that there is more to see in the store than they show > you), OR if you can get them to send you a D**N catalog! I've tried > several times to get a catalog sent to me (since the nearest store is in > Chicagoland), but NOOO, they aren't interested in my money. We drive 5 hours to the nearest IKEA. In Pittsburg. :) I've heard bad things about their mailorder service, but the store is fantastic! Drea > > Karen (grumbling to no one in particular) > > aleed wrote: > > > > >I've found the IKEA shelves, with the extension to make them 8 feet tall, > >are a fabric collector's dream come true. They come in a number of > >different woods, are pretty cheap, sturdy, and come with attachable > >cupboard doors. They can fit 60" wide fabric bolts, and you can place the > >shelves to hold 45" wide fabric bolts or 60" if you like. I lined a whole > >wall of my sewing room with them, and at 8 feet tall they look built in. > > > >Drea (self-confessed IKEA Junkie) > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 20:48:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07838 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:48:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P2NKF16581; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:23:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P2N1T22767; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P2MQT22595 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:22:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:22:39 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ED3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:22:38 -0800 Status: RO Sizing up my rivals for a good dressing down... Ahem: Ladies, this bombast is not in good seaming; allowances can be made for polite, well reasoned material. We, I feel, muslin mitt, off the cuff, blanket statements. Wool we to press on in such a fashion, our happy group shawl come apart at the seams. I shell, to the baste of my ability, maintain a measured response. And voile-la, there, you have it, --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 21:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07877 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:06:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P2bKF17436; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:37:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P2b1T26975; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P2aZT26852 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:36:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:36:48 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ED4@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1919 fashion colors/ Craftsman MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A549.21AC4C20" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:36:45 -0800 Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A549.21AC4C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Marie, Gwyn, Kayta, Shea, I'm overwhelmed with the amount of fabulous info. Thanks all very much. Somewhere between the mentions of Japanoiserie and wallpaper, I remembered a couple of guys I'd met at a Providence RI Dance week. Here's an interesting little textile that I happened to find on their site. http://www.burrows.com/carplace.html Repro, of course, but charming. Of course I'd love all your links, Marie. Once the moving boxes arrive, that's the end of the sewing machine, the fabric, the books & costume projects for a while. I'll have plenty of time to surf! >And then of course once you finish working on the house, you have to >begin collecting all the clothing from the period too >Gwyn Carnegie; who now owns too many 1900 to 1925 hats - everyone >has to have a weakness >; Oh, cruel temptress cease & desist! Actually, I do have this odd little dress from a great aunt that's quite possibly late teens.. Approx mid-calf to ankle length. Waist seam, close to true waist position. Black airy-fairy lace/net with very little design; narrow silk satin tubes (not piping, cuz it's not only in the seams or as edge bindings.) It's too fragile to wear, but what would have gone under it? I'm sorry, I dont have a photo or even a very good mental picture of it. It's been a while. (Off-topic Craftsman era architectural detail taken off list, in the interest of politeness.) --cin Cynthia in Tokyo ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A549.21AC4C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Marie, Gwyn, Kayta, Shea,
I'm overwhelmed with the amount of fabulous info. Thanks all very much.
Somewhere between the mentions of Japanoiserie and wallpaper, I remembered a couple of guys I'd met at a Providence RI Dance week. Here's an interesting little textile that I happened to find on their site.  http://www.burrows.com/carplace.html Repro, of course, but charming.
 
Of course I'd love all your links, Marie.  Once the moving boxes arrive, that's the end of the sewing machine, the fabric, the books & costume projects for a while. I'll have plenty of time to surf!
 
>And then of course once you finish working on the house, you have to
>begin collecting all the clothing from the period too
>Gwyn Carnegie;  who now owns too many 1900 to 1925 hats - everyone
>has to have a weakness >;
 
Oh, cruel temptress cease & desist!   Actually, I do have this odd little dress from a great aunt that's quite possibly late teens.. Approx mid-calf to ankle length. Waist seam, close to true waist position.  Black airy-fairy lace/net with very little design; narrow silk satin tubes (not piping, cuz it's not only in the seams or as edge bindings.) It's too fragile to wear, but what would have gone under it?  I'm sorry, I dont have a photo or even a very good mental picture of it.  It's been a while.
 
(Off-topic Craftsman era architectural detail taken off list, in the interest of politeness.)
--cin
Cynthia in Tokyo
 
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A549.21AC4C20-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 21:12:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07894 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:12:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P2lKF18133; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:47:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P2l0T29991; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop0.greatbasin.net (pop0.greatbasin.net [207.228.35.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P2kMT29752 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:46:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from c946283a (24-205-200-4.rno-dyn.charterpipeline.com [24.205.200.4]) by pop0.greatbasin.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id g0P2kdcN001946 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:46:39 -0800 Message-ID: <003701c1a54a$a15bde80$6401a8c0@home.com> From: "Daniel Fenwick" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ED3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:47:24 -0800 Status: RO Here is a pic with my finished Cote and my ladies finished Gown from 12th Night. Her gown is made basically from Mistress Cori's instructions ( http://sca-garb.freeservers.com/articles/corikirtle.html ), although could be a bit tighter. http://www.keradwc.com/20020105_west12/_2002_006_12.html The plaque belts are from Raymond's Quiet Press, the linen chause are from Historic Enterprises as are the shoes that you can't see in this pic. Dan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 24 23:33:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08432 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:33:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P58NF26657; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:08:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P581T08561; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P570T08195 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m195.in-tch.com [216.166.191.195]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0P4trX03372 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:55:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C50E90A.B18FEF07@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... References: <200201250140.g0P1esk08924@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:11:38 -0700 Status: RO All of you are just *warped*..... --Maire, not about to zip her lip where puns are concerned, it seams like...... Heather Meadows wrote: > > Don't you mean, it' seams like there's no finish? > > > In a message dated 24/1/02 6:35:42 PM, Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com writes: > > << Any more like this and I'll need serger-y. > > > > --cin in tokyo >> > > > > Sorry Cin, didn't mean to keep needling you and sew will do my best to clip > > this thread. I know it's hard to pin down a punster. Sometimes it seams like > > once the pattern gets started there's just no end to it. > > Grins, > > Lady G > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 00:25:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08556 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:25:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P60LF28850; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:00:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P601T25052; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P5xTT24867 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:59:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.ea.21917c54 (3959) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:59:41 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:59:41 EST Status: RO In a message dated 24/1/02 11:10:02 PM, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: << All of you are just *warped*..... --Maire, not about to zip her lip where puns are concerned, it seams like...... >> Warped and not about to be weft out! Some of the tension could be cut out if we could just shuttle the topic to the correct thread. Then we could bind the edges seamlessly and we'd be in the pink tho perhaps a bit guimpy after our fray. But we do do it for the pun of it so it's okay. Love, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 01:05:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08628 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:05:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P6eLF00640; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:40:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P6e1T07773; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P6drT07741 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:39:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:39:06 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EDD@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ragbag thoughts... MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:40:05 -0800 Status: RO Cease with no doily, laced we be told to get stuffed, get upbraided or even dis-iron-ered! These puns! They starch getting on my nerves mannekin it taffeta to concentrate. Distaff has dis-organdy-ized my workday. I plaid enough and bow out, weaving my unravelled opponents. I hope they will not cut each other to ribbons! --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 01:13:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08645 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:12:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P6mKF00898; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:48:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P6m0T09596; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P6lrT09575 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:47:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.101]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQHEWB00.S2V for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:48:11 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1919 fashion colors (was RE: A Teddy Fan Club Test/1919 fashion colors) Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124083757.00a7a020@blue.ucdavis.edu> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:44:14 -0800 Status: RO After some very good notes on color, Gwyn signed herself >>>Gwyn Carnegie; who now owns too many 1900 to 1925 hats - everyone has to have a weakness >; ) >>> To which I reply, that like shoes, there is no such thing as too many hats, and 1900-1925 --especially the 20s--got all my favorites. Don't have any, just appreciate from afar! MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 03:47:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11144 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 03:47:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P9MNF06840; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:22:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P9M1T14444; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P9LUT14353 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:21:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-152.frys.com [66.121.20.152]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0PAT7v06738 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:29:09 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020125010353.00d683a0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124083757.00a7a020@blue.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] too many shoes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:11:37 -0800 Status: RO I actually do have too many shoes. I'm having to pay storage on them, along with all my other stuff, and I don't know what to do with them. I will be keeping some historical ones, and most of, if not all of, my ethnic ones. But what do I do with all the extra historical ones? Must I hassle with selling them? Do any museums really want them? Now what? >After some very good notes on color, Gwyn signed herself > >>>Gwyn Carnegie; who now owns too many 1900 to 1925 hats - everyone has to >have a weakness >; ) > >>> > >To which I reply, that like shoes, there is no such thing as too many >hats, and >1900-1925 --especially the 20s--got all my favorites. Don't have any, just >appreciate from afar! Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 09:01:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12254 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:01:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PEaUF18165; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:36:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PEa1T03781; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PEZ0T03443 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from picard.dnaco.net (picard.dnaco.net [207.238.206.4]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0PEabd15554 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by picard.dnaco.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA09203 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:39:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: picard.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:39:00 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Springfield, OH. 5 hours due west. Drea On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Megan M. wrote: > Drea, you say you are only 5 hours from Pittsburgh. What town? I am from > Pittsburgh, although I do not live there at present. > -Megan McHugh > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of aleed > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:36 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage > > > > > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Karen Heim wrote: > > > I'm sure IKEA is great, if you live near a store (since the online > > catalog admits that there is more to see in the store than they show > > you), OR if you can get them to send you a D**N catalog! I've tried > > several times to get a catalog sent to me (since the nearest store is in > > Chicagoland), but NOOO, they aren't interested in my money. > > We drive 5 hours to the nearest IKEA. In Pittsburg. :) I've heard bad > things about their mailorder service, but the store is fantastic! > > Drea > > > > > Karen (grumbling to no one in particular) > > > > aleed wrote: > > > > > > > >I've found the IKEA shelves, with the extension to make them 8 feet tall, > > >are a fabric collector's dream come true. They come in a number of > > >different woods, are pretty cheap, sturdy, and come with attachable > > >cupboard doors. They can fit 60" wide fabric bolts, and you can place the > > >shelves to hold 45" wide fabric bolts or 60" if you like. I lined a whole > > >wall of my sewing room with them, and at 8 feet tall they look built in. > > > > > >Drea (self-confessed IKEA Junkie) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 09:54:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12628 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:54:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PFTQF22357; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:29:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PFT0T23865; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0PFS4T23541 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:28:05 -0700 (MST) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Fri Jan 25 09:28:24 2002 -0600 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:28:24 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0PFS4T23541 Subject: [h-cost] Knitting at ren.faires Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:28:13 -0600 Status: RO "String, string, string string, everybody needs string..." Jean -- Jean Waddie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. ROTFL! I keep one lucet going at all times using a cotton tatting thread to make neck and wrist ties for shirts. They work *so* much better than anything else I have found, they will stay tied together even through a long day at faire. I had fun one year getting the spinners to give me short lengths of different yarns to try out. Alpaca was so soft to work with! Funny this should come up right now. I was at the local EGA meeting last night and someone had a lucet they didn't know how to use so I gave them a quick lesson. I am now supposed to bring mine next month for more lessons :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 10:14:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12777 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:13:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PFnNF24322; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:49:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PFn1T03019; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PFmMT02744 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:48:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p203.directcon.net [209.233.107.203]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA23522 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:47:16 -0800 Message-Id: <200201251547.HAA23522@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] too many shoes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:47:16 -0800 Status: RO At 01:11 AM 01/25/2002 -0800, you wrote: >I actually do have too many shoes. I'm having to pay storage on them, >along with all my other stuff, and I don't know what to do with them. I >will be keeping some historical ones, and most of, if not all of, my ethnic >ones. But what do I do with all the extra historical ones? Must I hassle >with selling them? Do any museums really want them? Now what? Last I heard, Tara of The Costumer's Maifesto site was soliciting donations of shoes to her university theater department. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 11:43:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13585 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:43:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PHIOF04158; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:18:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PHI0T19490; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fnal.gov (heffalump.fnal.gov [131.225.9.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PHHjT19367 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:17:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena.fnal.gov ([131.225.122.154]) by smtp.fnal.gov (PMDF V6.0-24 #37519) with ESMTP id <0GQI00G9A81VYL@smtp.fnal.gov> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:17:56 -0600 (CST) From: Deb Baddorf Subject: Re: [h-cost] too many shoes In-reply-to: <200201251547.HAA23522@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: baddorf@mail.inil.com To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020125111715.02699d60@mail.inil.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:18:04 -0600 Status: RO At 07:47 AM 1/25/2002 -0800, Margo@margospatterns.com wrote: >At 01:11 AM 01/25/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >I actually do have too many shoes. I'm having to pay storage on them, > >along with all my other stuff, and I don't know what to do with them. I > >will be keeping some historical ones, and most of, if not all of, my ethnic > >ones. But what do I do with all the extra historical ones? Must I hassle > >with selling them? Do any museums really want them? Now what? > >Last I heard, Tara of The Costumer's Maifesto site was soliciting donations >of shoes to her university theater department. > >Margo And there is always this list of US ..... most of us have to be fond of shoes too. If you put up photos of them, I bet you'd find takers (free or for $) for many of them! Deb Baddorf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 11:45:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13615 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:45:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PHLNF04552; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:21:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PHL0T21198; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PHKcT21004 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:20:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from picard.dnaco.net (picard.dnaco.net [207.238.206.4]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0PHMEd12180 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by picard.dnaco.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA17152 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:24:38 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: picard.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Preserving books? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:24:38 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I'm buying some unfinished bookcases, and plan to finish them myself. They're going to be holding some really pricy and really old books--some over 200 years old. Does anyone know what finishes I should use or avoid? Is linseed oil OK, or should I use polyurethane? Will having glass doors on the front help preserve them, or should they get some air flow? Rather off topic, I know, but there are fabric conservationists on this list and I was hoping they might have some pointers. :) Thanks, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 11:47:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13630 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:47:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PHMNF04664; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:22:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PHM0T21789; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PHLkT21679 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:21:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.5.1) with ESMTP id g0PHM7O26491 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:22:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125082827.00a7a498@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Craftsmans 1919 fashion colors In-Reply-To: <20020124212523.23618.qmail@cpdvg202.cms.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_5081031==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:19:30 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_5081031==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:25 PM 1/24/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Cin, > >The Greene Brothers built many such homes in California AND they were >fascinated by Japanese design, colors, etc. What a coincidence, eh? Not >really, it was still all the rage... Here is their home page: >http://thunder.sonic.net/~mityam/index.html >It might be a good place to start. Most original linens, furnishings, etc. >that I come across are earth and jewel tones - typical craftsman. There are actually different styles (Pacific school, Prairie school, etc.). The Greene and Greenes are incredible. I have a Greene and Greene about 3 blocks from me. The bungalow movement begins as far back as 1870 during one the Orientalism fads, if my memory hasn't completely left me. The style borrows freely from Japanese residential homes in how it uses interior spaces, The Greene and Greene's just take the concept one step further with their japanese inspired woodwork. You should see the buildings that are considered the forerunners of the style. Imagine a large tea house with Victorian gingerbread ornamentation. They are just strange at best. The style of architecture, as well as the fashions of the time, were all based on the concept that the common American could and should be able to build his own home, as well as make their own clothes, and carve out a safe place for his family with his own two hands. Craftsman Kit houses made owning homes affordable to almost anyone and home owners were good Americans >; ). It was a time of patriotic movements, civic idealism, and a "return" to democracy. It was also not unlike the "return" to republican rule and the simplified clothing through classical dress during the 1790's to 1810. Does the turning of a century begin this change? Do the personal ideals begin the trends or do the events shape the ideals and trends? I've never gotten a satisfactory answer. Personally, I find it all fascinating >; ) Gwyn Carnegie University of California, Davis who is wondering why she didn't study architecture instead of design all those years ago --=====================_5081031==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 01:25 PM 1/24/2002 -0800, you wrote:
Cin,

The Greene Brothers built many such homes in California AND they were
fascinated by Japanese design, colors, etc. What a coincidence, eh? Not
really, it was still all the rage... Here is their home page:
http://thunder.sonic.net/~mityam/index.html
It might be a good place to start. Most original linens, furnishings, etc.
that I come across are earth and jewel tones - typical craftsman.

 There are actually different styles (Pacific school, Prairie school, etc.). The Greene and Greenes are incredible. I have a Greene and Greene about 3 blocks from me. The bungalow movement begins as far back as 1870 during one the Orientalism fads, if my memory hasn't completely left me. The style borrows freely from Japanese residential homes in how it uses interior spaces, The Greene and Greene's just take the concept one step further with their japanese inspired  woodwork. You should see the buildings that are considered the forerunners of the style.  Imagine a large tea house with Victorian gingerbread ornamentation. They are just strange at best.

The style of architecture, as well as the fashions of the time, were all based on the concept that the common American could and should be able to build his own home, as well as  make their own clothes, and carve out a safe place for his family with his own two hands. Craftsman Kit houses made owning homes affordable to almost anyone and home owners were good Americans >; ).  It was a time of patriotic movements, civic idealism, and a "return" to democracy. It was also not unlike the "return" to republican rule and the simplified clothing through classical dress during the 1790's to 1810. Does the turning of a century begin this change?  Do the personal ideals begin the trends or do the events shape the ideals and trends?  I've never gotten a satisfactory answer.

Personally, I find it all fascinating >; ) 

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California, Davis
who is wondering why she didn't study architecture instead of design all those years ago
 --=====================_5081031==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 11:50:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13666 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:50:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PHQNF05169; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:26:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PHQ1T24037; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PHPpT23943 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:25:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.82.168af401 (4530) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:26:03 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <82.168af401.2982ef2a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] too many shoes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:26:02 EST Status: RO In a message dated 25/1/02 11:19:28 AM, baddorf@inil.com writes: << And there is always this list of US ..... most of us have to be fond of shoes too. If you put up photos of them, I bet you'd find takers (free or for $) for many of them! Deb Baddorf >> Oh YES Please. Imelda Marcos ain't got nothin' on me. Lady G Who just bought a pair of 1972 stacks in silk oriental brocade, Love 'em! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 12:18:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13866 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:18:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PHrOF08115; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:53:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PHr1T09577; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PHqrT09510 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:52:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a2m26.in-tch.com [216.166.190.204]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0PHfIT06972 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:41:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C519C70.AD2BF24D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Preserving books? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:57:04 -0700 Status: RO Hi, Drea. I don't, myself, know...but one of the member of the Barony is a conservator in a museum, and this sounds right up her alley. I'll ask her for you. --Maire aleed wrote: > > I'm buying some unfinished bookcases, and plan to finish them myself. > They're going to be holding some really pricy and really old books--some > over 200 years old. Does anyone know what finishes I should use or avoid? > Is linseed oil OK, or should I use polyurethane? Will having glass doors > on the front help preserve them, or should they get some air flow? > > Rather off topic, I know, but there are fabric conservationists on this > list and I was hoping they might have some pointers. :) > > Thanks, > > Drea > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 12:43:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14094 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:43:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PIIOF10963; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:18:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PII1T23108; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PIHkT22830 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:17:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16UAvG-0003wb-0B for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:18:03 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie References: <200201221420.AA2080702688@mail.wireweb.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Subject: [h-cost] sewing madonnas? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:16:08 +0000 Status: RO Talking of knitting madonnas, are there any sewing madonnas? I want to know how people held thread in period. I'm just sort of unconvinced by the wooden spools people sell at reenactors' markets - they don't look right to me, but I don't think I've ever seen a picture of someone sewing, certainly not with any tools beside them. Any clues? Jean Robin Netherton wrote > >On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Alexandria Doyle wrote: > >> I have a questions regarding the knitting madonna's and other >> representations of knitting prior to 1600, when knitting in the round, >> how many needles were they using? > >I don't know anything about knitting, but this does give me a great >opening to plug one of the DISTAFF sessions at the International Medieval >Congress at Kalamazoo this May. We're having a session just on medieval >knitting & other non-woven textiles. Anne Reaves, who is accomplished at >medieval knitting techniques, will be talking on "The Iconography of >Knitting Madonnas." The other speakers are Chris Laning on "Motifs and >Technology in Knitted Silk Purses of the 14th Century," and Anne Marie >Decker on "The Forgotten Technique of Nalbinding." All three women are >known to some members of this list. > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 13:06:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14281 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:06:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PIfOF13461; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:41:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PIf1T05846; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PIeJT05468 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:40:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.148] (as3-4-162.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.148]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0PIebM26760 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:40:37 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gathered sleeve head Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:55:10 -0800 Status: RO At 10:19 PM -0800 1/23/02, Heather Rose Jones wrote: >Ah ok, I know what you're talking about. In fact, one >of the things that puzzled me about some of the medieval shaped >sleeves (but now I'm forgetting which one -- I think it may have >been the Moselund, but I'll have to check diagrams) was that if you >lined up the sleeve the way it seemed to want to line up (based on a >couple of different factors), you had a inward curve cut on the >sleeve (what on a modern sleeve would be the underarm position) >rotated to the front and matching the inward curve of the front >panel ... which seemed to place the "undistorted" position with the >arms at the _forward_ end of the range of motion. Let me go back >and look at my diagrams and mock-ups so I'm sure which garment I'm >talking about and I'll describe it better. Yeah, it was the Moselund tunic -- you can see a rough version of the thing at Marc Carlson's clothing site. His doesn't show some of the relevant details of the part of the side gussets that form the lower back edge of the armscye, but it's a start. There's a sharp angle at one point on the sleeve edge, and after you put the various body pieces together, there's only one place where the armscye also has a similar sharp angle. If you line those up when you set in the sleeve, the lengthwise sleeve seam goes down the outside edge of the arm as expected, but the "cut-in" on the sleeve corresponds to the "cut-in" on the front body panel, causing the sleeves to have a natural "stance" that is significantly rotated towards the front. As I recall, it's enough that if the tunic is fit relatively tightly, you can actually rip out that part of the armscye seam if you throw your arms suddenly backwards. This actually suggests that I may have interpreted something wrongly -- either being wrong in matching up the "angles' on the two parts, or being wrong in making the garment relatively close-fitting. (I'd tend to guess the latter before the former. I made it up at exactly the scale of the original which fit me, but tightly, causing the problems. Hence, my suspicions.) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 13:09:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14298 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:09:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PIiMF13767; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:44:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PIi0T07512; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PIhET07135 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:43:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020125184331.SNKP10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:43:31 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing madonnas? Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c53a2d0.321786804@mail.attbi.com> References: <200201221420.AA2080702688@mail.wireweb.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0PIhET07135 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:43:44 GMT Status: RO On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:16:08 +0000, the following was written in this electric book by Jean Waddie : > >Talking of knitting madonnas, are there any sewing madonnas? I want to >know how people held thread in period. I'm just sort of unconvinced by >the wooden spools people sell at reenactors' markets - they don't look >right to me, but I don't think I've ever seen a picture of someone >sewing, certainly not with any tools beside them. Any clues? Since I'm not sure what period you are asking about, I'm going to be very general. Wooden spools are period - for 19th century and later: http://www.paisley.org/paisley1/history/clarkfamily.html Apparently they were invented in the early 19th century, for the mechanized textile factories, but were not widely used by home sewers until the advent of affordable sewing machines in the mid 19th century. For pre-machine sewing, and 'traditional' sewing sets, threadwinders were used instead of spools. Threadwinders are star-shaped hardwood, horn, ivory, or metal tools on which thread from a skein is wrapped to keep it in order in the sewing box. For my sewing box, I have used small wooden craft cutouts in the shape of snowflakes, but i hope to be able to replace thse with horn ones (Less likely to snag delicate threads, for one - the wood cutouts I have are not hardwood). Prior to the use of purpose-made threadwinders, thread was wound on whatever was to hand - there are archaological examples of silks being wound onto small sticks to keep it orderly in _Textiles and Clothing_. This was a pretty universal idea, since there are also examples found all over the world, in all eras. However, I am not sure how far back threadwinders go. I use them because they are efficient, and *more* period than spools. For my 12th century timeframe, it may well turn out that sticks are a more correct solution than threadwinders. Maura Bass ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 13:09:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14302 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:09:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PIiRF13785; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:44:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PIi4T07544; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:44:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.mcn.org (mail.mcn.org [204.189.12.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PIhXT07294 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:43:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mcn.org (ha-2e-men-p2-m11.mcn.org [63.193.13.95]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.mcn.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g0PIhphr022354 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:43:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C513775.55ABAD14@mcn.org> From: Fred Struthers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Preserving books? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:46:23 +0000 Status: RO I would use polyurethane to finish the cases, becuase once it is dry there is no possibility that it will migrate into the books, as linseed oil might... and the slick surface you would have with the polyurethane will be easy to dust. I personally would not use a glass front because I live in a damp climate and this would inhibit air circulation which isn't at all good. You will have to dust more frequently, but dust doesn't hurt books - it's just a nuisance. Ideally the shelves should be in the driest place of your house, away from the wall a bit, and the whole shelf at least a few inches off the floor. I always like to hear that people care for their books!!! Fred Struthers aleed wrote: > I'm buying some unfinished bookcases, and plan to finish them myself. > They're going to be holding some really pricy and really old books--some > over 200 years old. Does anyone know what finishes I should use or avoid? > Is linseed oil OK, or should I use polyurethane? Will having glass doors > on the front help preserve them, or should they get some air flow? > > Rather off topic, I know, but there are fabric conservationists on this > list and I was hoping they might have some pointers. :) > > Thanks, > > Drea > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- http://www.rlshep.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 13:19:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14364 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:19:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PIrNF14789; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:53:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PIr0T12900; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PIqkT12800 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:52:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16UBTI-00051X-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:53:08 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:56:04 -0500 Status: RO Ah well, 5 hours the wrong way. I do wind up in Dayton and Cincinnatti every once in awhile, but am now on the east coast. I was just wondering if we were neighbors and I didn't know it. -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of aleed Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 9:39 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage Springfield, OH. 5 hours due west. Drea On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Megan M. wrote: > Drea, you say you are only 5 hours from Pittsburgh. What town? I am from > Pittsburgh, although I do not live there at present. > -Megan McHugh > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of aleed > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:36 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage > > > > > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Karen Heim wrote: > > > I'm sure IKEA is great, if you live near a store (since the online > > catalog admits that there is more to see in the store than they show > > you), OR if you can get them to send you a D**N catalog! I've tried > > several times to get a catalog sent to me (since the nearest store is in > > Chicagoland), but NOOO, they aren't interested in my money. > > We drive 5 hours to the nearest IKEA. In Pittsburg. :) I've heard bad > things about their mailorder service, but the store is fantastic! > > Drea > > > > > Karen (grumbling to no one in particular) > > > > aleed wrote: > > > > > > > >I've found the IKEA shelves, with the extension to make them 8 feet tall, > > >are a fabric collector's dream come true. They come in a number of > > >different woods, are pretty cheap, sturdy, and come with attachable > > >cupboard doors. They can fit 60" wide fabric bolts, and you can place the > > >shelves to hold 45" wide fabric bolts or 60" if you like. I lined a whole > > >wall of my sewing room with them, and at 8 feet tall they look built in. > > > > > >Drea (self-confessed IKEA Junkie) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 14:29:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14960 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:29:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PK4PF22091; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:04:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PK41T21005; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20806.mail.yahoo.com (web20806.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.195]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0PK38T20634 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:03:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020125200330.18131.qmail@web20806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.34.73.189] by web20806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:03:30 PST From: Margaret Farrow Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:03:30 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Megan, where are you? I live on the east coast, too. Margaret --- "Megan M." wrote: > Ah well, 5 hours the wrong way. I do wind up in > Dayton and Cincinnatti > every once in awhile, but am now on the east coast. > I was just wondering if > we were neighbors and I didn't know it. > -Megan > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of aleed > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 9:39 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage > > > > Springfield, OH. 5 hours due west. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 14:31:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14997 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:31:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PK4xF22160; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:04:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PK4aT21247; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:04:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PK3FT20688 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:03:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16UCZR-0007Gw-0V for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:03:33 +0000 Message-ID: <+m5tsUB2nbU8Iwkg@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie References: <3$k$6POdYxT8Iwcc@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3$k$6POdYxT8Iwcc@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Subject: [h-cost] Sleeve calculation technique (long) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:03:02 +0000 Status: RO Jean Waddie wrote >I have a super technique in a book my mother (the needlework teacher) >gave me - Betty Foster, "Creating Fashion" - Macdonald & Co, 1983, ISBN >0356 097072 Although it's obviously biased towards the 70s and early >80s (batwings and blousons) it really gives you the techniques to >create any shape from a basic block. > >If you don't get anything else by the weekend, I'll try to copy the >sleeve calculation into Word or something I can send you. > >Jean OK, here it is.... This is based on the method set out in Betty Foster's "Creating Fashion", to draft a sleeve pattern that fits your armhole. Obviously there are other pattern drafting manuals out there, but this one is to hand and I have found it works. You will, of course, want to refer to all the information which Robin, Melanie et al have given, which has certainly given me an insight into how sleeves work that I didn't have before. But if, like me, you're more confident starting from paper than just draping, this gives you a start to adapt from. I've decided not to try and reproduce the diagram, but I hope you can follow these instructions in words. If you draw it out with the measurements marked on the first time, you can work from your own diagram in future. You will need a friend to help with the measurements. This is, of course, for a modern sleeve, with the default arm position down at your side. 1. Measure round the widest part of your upper arm, and add 4cm (sorry, this is in cm). This is measurement a. 2. Measure the length of your sleeve, from the stitching line at the top of the shoulder, round a bent elbow, to the wrist. This is length b. 3. Draw a rectangle, a by b. I will call the shoulder-to-wrist lines vertical and the others horizontal. 4. Divide a by 4, and draw in vertical lines at the quarter, half and three-quarter lines. 5. Measure the distance from the top of the shoulder to your elbow. Take this distance diagonally from the centre of the top line until you hit the side of your rectangle. Draw a horizontal line across from this point. 6. Measure round the stitching line of your armhole and divide by 3. This is measurement c. Draw a horizontal line at c down from the top. This will be the armhole line. You now have a grid of four boxes across and three up and down - yes? Now to draw in the curvy bit. 7. Measure 4cm down from the top on the left quarter line - this is the back. Measure 5 cm down from the right quarter line - this is the front. Join the dots from the left end of the armhole line, to the point you just marked on the left quarter line, to the centre top, and similarly down the other side. 8. Find roughly the centre of the first of the four lines you just drew, and mark a point 1cm below it, at right angles to the line. Do the same 1cm above the next line, 1.5cm above the third and 2cm below the last. These points help you get the curve right, since the front armhole is always cut on a deeper curve than the back. Draw the curve of the top of the sleeve through the 9 points you have now. This basic block gives you a plain, straight sleeve. To make a tapered sleeve, mark your wrist measurement on the bottom line. Measure the widest point of your forearm, and the distance of this point from your wrist, and mark a dotted line on the grid. Draw from the ends of the armhole line down to the wrist, making sure you stay outside the forearm line so the sleeves don't bind there. I usually have quite a sharp angle at that point, but it doesn't look wrong when it's made up. Once you have this basic block, you can cut along any of the grid lines to change the shape, while keeping the measurements you need. For example, for a puffed top to the sleeve, you cut down the vertical lines from shoulder to elbow, fan them out at the shoulder and then gather the extra fabric into the armhole. For a short flared sleeve, cut it off at the appropriate length and fan the pieces out at the bottom. For a fitted, bent-elbow sleeve, cut across the elbow line and spread it at one side. To do an s-curve sleeve head, of course, you just cut down one of the quarter lines and move that piece to the other side. You can do this at any point, to place the seam exactly where you want it. Or seams. I was thinking how you would adapt this to get the shallower curve of period sleeve-heads. The height of the sleeve-head is determined by the size of the armhole, so this will have some effect, with the tighter armhole. However, if you are going for a raised default arm position (DAM? Shall we invent a TLA?), you will need to shorten measurement c further, to flatten it even more. To move the arm position forward, as described by Robin, that's about how you position the finished sleeve in the armhole - where the highest point on the sleeve cap goes in relation to the top of the shoulder. Obviously you then need to adjust, add gussets, whatever. I hope you found this helpful. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 14:50:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15185 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:50:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PKPNF24310; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:25:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PKP0T01881; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PKOLT01626 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:24:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16UCts-0009WJ-0B for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:24:40 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing madonnas? References: <200201221420.AA2080702688@mail.wireweb.net> <3c53a2d0.321786804@mail.attbi.com> In-Reply-To: <3c53a2d0.321786804@mail.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:10:32 +0000 Status: RO Sorry for being unspecific - bad Jeannie! 12th century is what I'm doing. I must have missed that in Textiles and Clothing - odd bits of stick or rolled up scraps of cloth was exactly what I was thinking. Thanks :-) Jean chimericalgirl@attbi.com wrote >On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:16:08 +0000, the following was written in this >electric book by Jean Waddie : > >> >>Talking of knitting madonnas, are there any sewing madonnas? I want to >>know how people held thread in period. I'm just sort of unconvinced by >>the wooden spools people sell at reenactors' markets - they don't look >>right to me, but I don't think I've ever seen a picture of someone >>sewing, certainly not with any tools beside them. Any clues? > >Since I'm not sure what period you are asking about, I'm going to be >very general. > >Wooden spools are period - for 19th century and later: >http://www.paisley.org/paisley1/history/clarkfamily.html > >Apparently they were invented in the early 19th century, for the >mechanized textile factories, but were not widely used by home sewers >until the advent of affordable sewing machines in the mid 19th >century. For pre-machine sewing, and 'traditional' sewing sets, >threadwinders were used instead of spools. > >Threadwinders are star-shaped hardwood, horn, ivory, or metal tools on >which thread from a skein is wrapped to keep it in order in the sewing >box. For my sewing box, I have used small wooden craft cutouts in the >shape of snowflakes, but i hope to be able to replace thse with horn >ones (Less likely to snag delicate threads, for one - the wood cutouts >I have are not hardwood). > >Prior to the use of purpose-made threadwinders, thread was wound on >whatever was to hand - there are archaological examples of silks being >wound onto small sticks to keep it orderly in _Textiles and >Clothing_. This was a pretty universal idea, since there are also >examples found all over the world, in all eras. > > >However, I am not sure how far back threadwinders go. I use them >because they are efficient, and *more* period than spools. For my 12th >century timeframe, it may well turn out that sticks are a more correct >solution than threadwinders. > >Maura Bass >---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- >"We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either >hand..." - the Flash Girls > }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 18:01:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16367 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:01:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PNaaF13953; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:36:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PNa1T10607; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PNZBT10259 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:35:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.8.2037f4b6 (4322) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:35:19 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <8.2037f4b6.298345b7@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing madonnas? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8.2037f4b6.298345b7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:35:19 EST Status: RO --part1_8.2037f4b6.298345b7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/25/2002 1:19:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk writes: > I'm just sort of unconvinced by > the wooden spools people sell at reenactors' markets - they don't look > right to me, but I don't think I've ever seen a picture of someone > sewing, certainly not with any tools beside them. Any clues? > > I asked Coats & Clark about this and, as far as I can tell from their literature, spools don't come along until the mid 19th century. (But, as is often the case with this sort of thing, their literature does not say definitively, "J.P. Coats sold spools at such and such a date.") Since I interpret early 19th century, I now use thread winders. I feel pretty confident that these were around by early 19th c., but not sure how far back they go. Thread was evidently sold in skeins, or twists, and you would wind it as needed. But again, not sure how far back this goes. Ann Wass --part1_8.2037f4b6.298345b7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/25/2002 1:19:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk writes:


I'm just sort of unconvinced by
the wooden spools people sell at reenactors' markets - they don't look
right to me, but I don't think I've ever seen a picture of someone
sewing, certainly not with any tools beside them.  Any clues?



I asked Coats & Clark about this and, as far as I can tell from their literature, spools don't come along until the mid 19th century.  (But, as is often the case with this sort of thing, their literature does not say definitively, "J.P. Coats sold spools at such and such a date.")  Since I interpret early 19th century, I now use thread winders.  I feel pretty confident that these were around by early 19th c., but not sure how far back they go.  Thread was evidently sold in skeins, or twists, and you would wind it as needed.  But again, not sure how far back this goes.
Ann Wass --part1_8.2037f4b6.298345b7_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 19:27:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16754 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:27:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0Q12QF20189; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:02:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0Q121T13097; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0Q11mT13031 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:01:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.133] (pm4-133.eos.net [205.133.149.133]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25027 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:58:05 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201221205.g0MC51T28215@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: medieval sewing techniques Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:55:13 -0500 Status: RO In the sleeve cap discussion (I am about a dozen digests behind -- boy, has everyone been posting lately!) people have been talking about whether there was one "right" way to sew in the middle ages, or whether people pretty much developed their own techniques. The story I have to tell is a modern one, so it might not do to extrapolate backward. But in the "it could have been done" tradition, I thought I'd share a story that appeared in our local paper, The Cincinnati Enquirer, earlier this week. The story is about an African immegrant who is developing his own sewing business. He speaks very little English and works at a box packing factory (I think). But he was trained as a tailor, informally, by an uncle, who taught him to sew when he was a child. He somehow hooked up with the owner of an African goods store, who had a lot of pieces of mud cloth and wanted them made into coats. He showed the young man what he wanted, the young man took them home -- and came back with several fully lined jackets that he sewed without patterns (and, incidentally, without sizes). Now he makes the unisex coats out of heavy mud cloth, making up the patterns and making them in whatever sizes he wants. The owner can't keep them in stock. The owner then showed him some hats that he was having trouble getting in from Africa, and now the tailor makes hats too, in all different designs that he made up. The writer visited the man's apartment and watched him work. He plans the garments and draws sketches, then sews without any patterns at all -- he just picks up scissors and cuts. He eases the fabric together by hand. His only tools (besides two industrial sewing machines) are sharp scissors and chalk, but he says he rarely uses the chalk. No rulers or tape measures. The man said that he doesn't like mud cloth, which is difficult to sew, but prefers softer, light weight African fabrics. Also, although the garments he is selling seem to be rather geometrically shaped, he said that he can sew fitted garments such as dress trousers (he said he can sew anything he sees), and that he can and does fit people. But he never uses patterns for anything. Maybe this is a unique talent, sort of like a photographic memory, or maybe this is how people sew all over the world. But patterns are a recent invention, and sewing is age-old. I thought it was fascinating and that you all might be interested! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 20:13:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17096 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:13:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0Q1mPF22616; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:48:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0Q1m0T26446; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01e.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.235]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0Q1laT26341 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:47:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 24630 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 01:47:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO computer) ([64.208.177.235]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Jan 2002 01:47:52 -0000 Message-ID: <003401c1a60a$f4cf61c0$ebb1d040@computer> From: "Lyn Greaves- Thorny Rose" To: References: <8.2037f4b6.298345b7@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing madonnas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C1A5E1.0B6249E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:44:11 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C1A5E1.0B6249E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable According to Ewen at Long Ship Trader's (the only person I have actually = asked about this)- wooden thread winders were available in SCA period = (nothing more specific was asked) and they were most likely a small = piece of wood that you wound your thread around. (I had asked because I had found a source for mother of pearl winders) Lyn Greaves ** A cubicle is just a padded cell without a door. ----- Original Message ----- From: AnnBWass@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing madonnas? In a message dated 1/25/2002 1:19:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, = anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk writes: I'm just sort of unconvinced by the wooden spools people sell at reenactors' markets - they don't = look right to me, but I don't think I've ever seen a picture of someone sewing, certainly not with any tools beside them. Any clues? I asked Coats & Clark about this and, as far as I can tell from their = literature, spools don't come along until the mid 19th century. (But, = as is often the case with this sort of thing, their literature does not = say definitively, "J.P. Coats sold spools at such and such a date.") = Since I interpret early 19th century, I now use thread winders. I feel = pretty confident that these were around by early 19th c., but not sure = how far back they go. Thread was evidently sold in skeins, or twists, = and you would wind it as needed. But again, not sure how far back this = goes. Ann Wass ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C1A5E1.0B6249E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
According to Ewen at Long Ship Trader's (the only = person I have actually asked about this)- wooden thread winders were available in = SCA period (nothing more specific was asked) and they were most likely a = small piece of wood that you wound your thread around.
 
(I had asked because I had found a source for mother = of pearl winders)

Lyn Greaves
 
** A cubicle is just a padded cell without a door.
 
 
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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 = 6:35 PM
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In a = message dated 1/25/2002 1:19:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk= writes:


I'm just sort of unconvinced by
the wooden spools = people sell at reenactors' markets - they don't look
right to me, but I = don't think I've ever seen a picture of someone
sewing, certainly not = with any tools beside them.  Any clues?



I = asked Coats & Clark about this and, as far as I can tell from their = literature, spools don't come along until the mid 19th century.  (But, as is often = the case with this sort of thing, their literature does not say definitively, = "J.P. Coats sold spools at such and such a date.")  Since I interpret = early 19th century, I now use thread winders.  I feel pretty confident = that these were around by early 19th c., but not sure how far back they = go.  Thread was evidently sold in skeins, or twists, and you would wind it = as needed.  But again, not sure how far back this goes.
Ann = Wass
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C1A5E1.0B6249E0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 25 21:37:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17610 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:37:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0Q3DQF26171; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:13:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0Q3D0T17828; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0Q3CGT17689 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:12:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2216.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.216]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12833 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:12:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3C521DE1.9F89C2C4@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing madonnas? References: <200201221420.AA2080702688@mail.wireweb.net> <3c53a2d0.321786804@mail.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:09:21 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. I can't speak for the 12th Cent., but I know that the MoL book notes that some bones were found in textile context with a polished groove that indicated possible thread winding. I would suspect that these were hollowed out (or perhaps bird bones, already hollow) and plugged at one end, beeswax inserted in the other end and pins and needles stored inside. I use a hollow deer bone done up that way in my medieval kit for my thread and pins/needles. I know a very similar device in turned wood was found on the wreck of the Mary Rose (early-mid 16th Cent.). I would suggest looking for evidence in Norse finds (Jorvik, Hedeby, Dublin, etc. since that is closer to your period) I seem to remember some textile related items at York, but I couldn't find them in the Viking Dig book by Hall. I bought all of the postcards when I was there last (the shoes, the combs, etc.), but I can't find them now. Check online with some of the early groups out there (reenactment types) that have good contacts with archaeological sites. They usually have up-to-date info. Mike T. Jean Waddie wrote: > Sorry for being unspecific - bad Jeannie! 12th century is what I'm > doing. I must have missed that in Textiles and Clothing - odd bits of > stick or rolled up scraps of cloth was exactly what I was thinking. > Thanks :-) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 00:40:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18390 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:40:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0Q6GRF03399; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:16:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0Q6G0T00609; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0Q6FfT00545 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:15:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.192.247] (as-5-5.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.192.247]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0Q6G4u06834 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:16:04 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200201221420.AA2080702688@mail.wireweb.net> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing madonnas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:42:38 -0800 Status: RO At 6:16 PM +0000 1/25/02, Jean Waddie wrote: >Talking of knitting madonnas, are there any sewing madonnas? I want >to know how people held thread in period. I'm just sort of >unconvinced by the wooden spools people sell at reenactors' markets >- they don't look right to me, but I don't think I've ever seen a >picture of someone sewing, certainly not with any tools beside them. >Any clues? Yup. A wonderful source of images of the Virgin doing various types of handwork (and thus, images of various types of handwork) is "Die Handarbeiten der Maria" by Robert L. Wyss in "Artes Minores: Dank an Werner Abegg" edited by Michael Stettler et al. (Verlag Stampfli & Cie Ag., Bern, 1973). When I was putting together a research project on containers used for medieval hand-work, this was one of my major sources of images. As far as how threads were handled, one of the knitting Madonnas is working with multiple threads from a "spool rack", where the spools are relatively modern in shape although of the long narrow variety. You also see thread wrapped around rectangular cards. The most common thing seems to be small hanks of thread in a figure-8 pattern (i.e., possibly just a round loop that has twisted naturally when releasted from tension, or possibly wound in a figure 8 around two fingers -- hard to tell from the scale). This is all from memory at the moment, since I archived that project off my laptop and can't reference it at the moment. (And, yes, at some point I'll see about getting it up on the web. Don't nag.) One thing I didn't find in medieval depictions was the polygonal-with-knobs-or-notches "thread winders" that you can find at various vendors. (I use them myself.) This may be due to gaps in my data, or it may be because they are a later development. I wish that someone would do a serious research book on the history of sewing and needlework equipment -- one aimed at the historian and re-enactor rather than the ones that are aimed at collectors, and so limit themselves to recent centuries. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 00:45:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18405 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:45:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0Q6LQF03551; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:21:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0Q6L1T01604; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0Q6KYT01522 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:20:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 23252 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 06:20:57 -0000 Received: from tempest.sonic.net (208.201.224.25) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 06:20:57 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d102.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.102]) by tempest.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g0Q6Kua28136 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:20:56 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C524B1B.8B7A879C@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Book on really ancient shoes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:22:19 -0800 Status: RO Catalogue des chaussures de l'Antiquite Egyptienne Musee de Louvre: Departement des Antiquites Egyptiennes ISBN 2-7118-3900-1 263 pages Classifications and patterns of dozens of pairs of shoes. Seems to be mostly Dynastic period. In French, but consists largely of b/w and color photos, drawings, and patterns. I bought it with some other books from Fred Struthers' latest catalog of books on costume and textiles. He always has a good selection of hard-to-find foreign museum catalogs. His email is fsbks@mcn.org. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 00:59:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18455 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:59:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0Q6ZQF03944; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:35:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0Q6Z0T04777; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hekili.k12.hi.us (hekili.k12.hi.us [165.248.1.200]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0Q6YQT04667 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:34:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from makani by hekili.k12.hi.us (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0GQJ00J4E8XWAK@hekili.k12.hi.us> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:34:44 -1000 (HST) From: Lisa Leong Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing madonnas? In-reply-to: To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:39:15 -1000 (HST) Status: RO > I wish that > someone would do a serious research book on the history of sewing and > needlework equipment -- one aimed at the historian and re-enactor > rather than the ones that are aimed at collectors, and so limit > themselves to recent centuries. Speaking of which, have any of you looked through The Story of Antique Needlework Tools by Bridget McConnel? The description says it includes tools from ancient Egypt through the 20th century. I imagine a great deal of it is from the 19th and 20th centuries and am wondering how much of it is from earlier. lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 01:16:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18509 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 01:16:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0Q6qQF04460; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:52:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0Q6q1T08241; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0Q6p4T07940 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:51:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.5.184]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQJ9PS00.M2Q for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 01:51:28 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] sewing madonnas? Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8.2037f4b6.298345b7@aol.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:47:15 -0800 Status: RO I'm just happy when costuemd people do something besides drag out their white plastic spools as they came from the store. Anything is better than that! :) Maggiros -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:35 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing madonnas? In a message dated 1/25/2002 1:19:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk writes: I'm just sort of unconvinced by the wooden spools people sell at reenactors' markets - they don't look right to me, but I don't think I've ever seen a picture of someone sewing, certainly not with any tools beside them. Any clues? I asked Coats & Clark about this and, as far as I can tell from their literature, spools don't come along until the mid 19th century. (But, as is often the case with this sort of thing, their literature does not say definitively, "J.P. Coats sold spools at such and such a date.") Since I interpret early 19th century, I now use thread winders. I feel pretty confident that these were around by early 19th c., but not sure how far back they go. Thread was evidently sold in skeins, or twists, and you would wind it as needed. But again, not sure how far back this goes. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 07:30:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21895 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:30:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QD5VF14242; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:05:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QD50T28985; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QD4qT28956 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:04:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-108.frys.com [66.121.20.108]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0QD57g00637 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 05:05:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020126041753.00be7420@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: References: <8.2037f4b6.298345b7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] period sewing baskets - contents? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 05:03:54 -0800 Status: RO >I'm just happy when costuemd people do something besides drag out their white >plastic spools as they came from the store. Anything is better than that! :) My Ren. box (upper lower class German Kampfrau) has hand-wound skeins of embroidery thread, several colours of sewing thread wound around a smooth stick, scissors that look like small sheep shears, a darning egg, and pins and needles and hooks and eyes in those turned wood tubes with turned wood tops. I also have a little box of buttons, a couple of bodkins, and some spare leather lacing. What else should go in there? I don't have a box for English Regency, because I don't do that period very often. If I do Regency, I usually only bring needle, thread, and the work itself, and I hide the non-period scissors. I put all my Victorian and Edwardian (middle middle class housewife) stuff in one basket right now, and use it for both periods. (Eventually I will make two baskets, one for 1850-ish and one for 1880-1900.) Right now the basket has my wood embroidery thread winders, my bone needle case, my antique paper of pins (Edwardian or later), more bodkins, my little scissors which were made in Prussia (2 pairs), a brown glass bottle of hooks and eyes, and buttons (bone and mother of pearl), with a cork stopper, another darning egg, and a velvet emery strawberry. I also have several skeins of embroidery thread (1920's or earlier) with old-looking labels, and some scraps of ribbon. The Victorian one will get a thread spool caddy like I saw in a Godey's, and maybe a pin cushion out of another Godey's. I still need a good repro-Victorian tape measure. For Edwardian I add a Nouveau-ish card of hooks and eyes, some thread spools which have the label printed right on the wood, and an Edwardian darning gadget with a clip to hold the work steady. What else should go in there? What distinguishing things will make the contents of one basket look Victorian and that of the other look late Victorian/Edwardian? (All the women's magazines of each period can tell me what the outsides look like.) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 07:31:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21902 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:31:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QD71F14289; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QD6XT29247; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:06:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QD4uT28970 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:04:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.110.c3c50aa (4232) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:05:12 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <110.c3c50aa.29840388@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: medieval sewing techniques To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_110.c3c50aa.29840388_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:05:12 EST Status: RO --part1_110.c3c50aa.29840388_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/25/2002 8:03:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: > . But patterns are a recent > invention, and sewing is age-old. > I think fitting is a talent some people have, and some don't. Before the invention of paper patterns, at least in the early 19th century, women often used an old garment (or bodice lining) as a pattern to cut the bodice. The skirt, of course, was largely rectangles and/or triangles. Some women had a dressmaker cut just the bodice, especially if they wanted a different style, and then sewed it together themselves, if they could not afford to have the dressmaker make the whole garment. Ann Wass --part1_110.c3c50aa.29840388_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/25/2002 8:03:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes:


. But patterns are a recent
invention, and sewing is age-old.


I think fitting is a talent some people have, and some don't.  Before the invention of paper patterns, at least in the early 19th century, women often used an old garment (or bodice lining) as a pattern to cut the bodice.  The skirt, of course, was largely rectangles and/or triangles.  Some women had a dressmaker cut just the bodice, especially if they wanted a different style, and then sewed it together themselves, if they could not afford to have the dressmaker make the whole garment.

Ann Wass
 --part1_110.c3c50aa.29840388_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 07:45:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21950 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:45:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QDLRF14756; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:21:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QDL0T02204; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QDKuT02191 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:20:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust188.tnt5.nyc9.da.uu.net ([67.192.228.188] helo=earthlink.net) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16USll-000297-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 05:21:22 -0800 Message-ID: <3C52184A.7030206@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knitting at ren.faires References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:45:30 -0500 Status: RO OK, this seals it, I'm getting a lucet... Yes, I do always need string! Catherine Kinsey wrote: >"String, string, string string, everybody needs string..." > >Jean > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 08:47:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22126 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:47:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QENSF16602; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:23:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QEN1T14203; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20304.mail.yahoo.com (web20304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0QEM8T14012 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:22:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020126142234.73710.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.98.46] by web20304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:22:34 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list , SCA Garb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] a 12th Century lady's giant canvas totebag Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:22:34 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I'm guessing this would simply be a basket, right? As you have all heard ad nauseum, I'm doing a splendiferous new outfit for myself. I was just curled up on my sofa over my 2nd cup of coffee working on a gorgeous almonier [oh I give up...never _could_ spell French] belt-pouchy gizmo when it occured to me that as lovely as it is, it sure won't hold a harp tuning key and spare strings! Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 09:12:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22203 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:12:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QEmSF17464; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:48:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QEm1T19209; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0N1IoT25051 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:18:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id n.10f.afc6f8e (4233); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:18:37 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <10f.afc6f8e.297f696d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Uniquely You Questions... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:18:37 EST Status: RO What kind of being was this thing created for????? It looks like a human body with a pair of airplane nose cones grafted on to it. Think bullet bra. BIG bullet bra. The measurements are correct (bust is a bit small in inches tho the sight of the bust on this thing scares me) so I won't have to take the cover up much but my husband (who's a, 'scuse me, tit man) said "don't point those things at me". How do I get it to human proportions? Feeling underdeveloped, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 09:48:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22301 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:48:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QFOTF18657; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:24:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QFO0T26624; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from nycsmtp1out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp1out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.226]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QFNST26471 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:23:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from marthakelly (66-65-60-109.nyc.rr.com [66.65.60.109]) by nycsmtp1out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/Road Runner SMTP Server 1.0) with SMTP id g0QFNTfZ004782 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:23:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Uniquely You Questions... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <10f.afc6f8e.297f696d@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:16:50 -0400 Status: RO Dear Lady G Yes indeed, an untamed Uniquely You is possibly one of the scariest things that can come in a box. That being said, I'm a great believer in Uniquely You dress forms because you can corset them and get a similar effect to corseting a human body - something you can't do with a Wolf Form. (Right now I have one in my studio wearing an 1860's corset because I'm draping a bodice on it.) But first you have to make the Uniquely You your own body measurements. This is not easy, but worth the effort. The gist of the exercise is that the fabric cover compresses all that foam rubber, making a very firm dress form when all is done. A good place to start is to actually put the fabric cover on yourself and have someone fit it VERY TIGHTLY. Then zip it on the foam body and measure the result. Warning: this is only the beginning of the process. The pressure of the foam innards distorts your fitting and you have to keep adjusting until you get it right. That means taking the cover off, sewing in a nip and a tuck and then returning the cover to the form. And it's not easy to get the cover on the rubber, either. I find the putting the thing between my knees and squeezing is the best method. (Be sure not to do this in front of an uncurtained window.) As a finishing touch, I make a muslin cap for the neck and for the shoulder extensions and I also cover the bottom with muslin. I have found that the foam rubber deteriorates when exposed to the air. (Not rapidly - I have a Uniquely You that's 20 years old and another that's brand new.) I am a bit concerned that you say the bust is small. The foam base you start with should be lots larger than your measurements. Perhaps you bought a size too small? I know that's hard to believe when you look at it.... If you should need advice or encouragement along the way, feel free to e-mail me. I have used these forms for years and just made up several new ones recently. Martha K _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 10:10:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22505 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:10:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QFkTF19595; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:46:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QFk1T01421; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0QFjtT01403 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:45:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 22942 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 15:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.237.63) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 15:46:21 -0000 Message-ID: <3C52CF82.2845B428@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Uniquely You Questions... References: <10f.afc6f8e.297f696d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:47:15 -0600 Status: RO LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > What kind of being was this thing created for????? It looks like a human body > with a pair of airplane nose cones grafted on to it. Think bullet bra. BIG > bullet bra. The measurements are correct (bust is a bit small in inches tho > the sight of the bust on this thing scares me) so I won't have to take the > cover up much but my husband (who's a, 'scuse me, tit man) said "don't point > those things at me". How do I get it to human proportions? When we got one for the costume shop where I work, I had the same reaction. I basically sewed a curve across the end of each point, which rounded them off a bit. What I can't figure out is why the thing has such a frightening bust but no derriere. Perhaps it's modelled after the fifties line? Bullet bra and a really severe girdle? Good luck Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 10:41:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22621 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:41:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QGHTF20864; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:17:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QGH1T07792; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web10001.mail.yahoo.com (web10001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0QGGAT07553 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:16:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020126161636.21810.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.44.91.11] by web10001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:16:36 PST From: Kay Shelton To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] VA - DC area event Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:16:36 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Sounds Interesting - Found on the Fairfax Library homepage. "Threads of Time: Toast & Strawberries, a woman-owned boutique in Washington, D.C., presents a fashion show and "Threads of Time: African American Designers, 1854-1954" on February 9 at 1:00 p.m. at the Lorton Library." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 11:04:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22713 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:04:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QGeTF21836; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:40:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QGe0T12845; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QGdFT12634 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:39:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.173.2b3bc8e (3960) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:39:33 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <173.2b3bc8e.298435c5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Uniquely You Questions... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:39:33 EST Status: RO In a message dated 26/1/02 9:25:26 AM, marthakelly@nyc.rr.com writes: << I am a bit concerned that you say the bust is small. >> The dress form I have was listed as "small" and it looks HUGE. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 12:09:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22917 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:09:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QHgnF24809; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:42:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QHg1T27370; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QHf8T27130 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:41:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16UWpQ-000I8F-0B; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:41:25 +0000 Message-ID: <8TX9BjPOItU8Iwmq@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: costume list , SCA Garb From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] a 12th Century lady's giant canvas totebag References: <20020126142234.73710.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020126142234.73710.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:58:06 +0000 Status: RO Joan Garner wrote >I'm guessing this would simply be a basket, right? As >you have all heard ad nauseum, I'm doing a >splendiferous new outfit for myself. I was just >curled up on my sofa over my 2nd cup of coffee working >on a gorgeous almonier [oh I give up...never _could_ >spell French] belt-pouchy gizmo when it occured to me >that as lovely as it is, it sure won't hold a harp >tuning key and spare strings! > >Iohanna the Harper >[Joan Hall] >"If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" >"Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > How giant are you thinking of? Surely your harp key and strings aren't that big? Or is it a question of those, plus all the other stuff that has to go in it? What do you put your harp in? We generally go with shoulder bags - the ones with just a flap over the top, no actual fastening, or maybe a toggle and loop. You can make it as big as you like - we have an enormous one our airbed fits in (uninflated!), because it's so unwieldy to carry down from our flat to the car. -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 12:09:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22921 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:09:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QHisF24936; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:44:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QHiPT27967; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:44:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QHfST27234 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:41:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16UWpQ-000I8F-0B; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:41:25 +0000 Message-ID: <8TX9BjPOItU8Iwmq@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: costume list , SCA Garb From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] a 12th Century lady's giant canvas totebag References: <20020126142234.73710.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020126142234.73710.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:58:06 +0000 Status: RO Joan Garner wrote >I'm guessing this would simply be a basket, right? As >you have all heard ad nauseum, I'm doing a >splendiferous new outfit for myself. I was just >curled up on my sofa over my 2nd cup of coffee working >on a gorgeous almonier [oh I give up...never _could_ >spell French] belt-pouchy gizmo when it occured to me >that as lovely as it is, it sure won't hold a harp >tuning key and spare strings! > >Iohanna the Harper >[Joan Hall] >"If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" >"Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > How giant are you thinking of? Surely your harp key and strings aren't that big? Or is it a question of those, plus all the other stuff that has to go in it? What do you put your harp in? We generally go with shoulder bags - the ones with just a flap over the top, no actual fastening, or maybe a toggle and loop. You can make it as big as you like - we have an enormous one our airbed fits in (uninflated!), because it's so unwieldy to carry down from our flat to the car. -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 12:13:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22949 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:13:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QHnTF25206; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:49:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QHn1T29030; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QHmDT28809 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:48:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OtcGW4BlnzcIEcGct2VPVyI="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GR4MNE3E; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:48:25 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Message-ID: <20020126.094740.-45615.10.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-39 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Subject: [h-cost] Message for Joan garner Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:44:50 +0000 Status: RO My apologies to the list. I tried to write Joan Garner privately and the message bounced. Thank you for your indulgence. Arlys On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:50:28 +0000 Cynthia J Ley writes: > Hi Joan. > > I haven't forgotten--I still need to send you my blackwork handout. > > The last two weeks have been utter chaos, and I haven't had time. I > hope to get it out to you this week. > > Sorry about that. :( > Arlys > > On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:22:34 -0800 (PST) Joan Garner > writes: > > I'm guessing this would simply be a basket, right? As > > you have all heard ad nauseum, I'm doing a > > splendiferous new outfit for myself. I was just > > curled up on my sofa over my 2nd cup of coffee working > > on a gorgeous almonier [oh I give up...never _could_ > > spell French] belt-pouchy gizmo when it occured to me > > that as lovely as it is, it sure won't hold a harp > > tuning key and spare strings! > > > > Iohanna the Harper > > [Joan Hall] > > "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" > > "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 12:13:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22953 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:13:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QHncF25221; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:49:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QHnAT29091; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:49:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.227]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QHmUT28876 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:48:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from marthakelly (66-65-60-109.nyc.rr.com [66.65.60.109]) by nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/Road Runner SMTP Server 1.0) with SMTP id g0QHm1EE000163 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:48:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Uniquely You Questions... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <173.2b3bc8e.298435c5@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:41:16 -0400 Status: RO The dress form I have was listed as "small" and it looks HUGE. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Lady G According to the manufacturer, a "small" form with a size 6 cover will take you up to a 40" bust. I'm sure you read all that when you bought the thing. It's just hard to believe it could ever be squished down to human proportions. There's something I forgot to mention. I learned this the hard way. Because of all the pressure from within, there is a great strain on the seams. The fabric, which looks like polyester poplin, will literally pull apart. So, after you get it the proper size, I strongly recommend that you reinforce the seams. Flat fell them or back the seams with a strip of muslin or tape. Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 12:46:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23096 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:46:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QILWF26753; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:21:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QIL1T06480; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QIK6T06108 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:20:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.36.90] (helo=[216.119.36.90]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16UXRI-0005TC-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:20:32 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Uniquely You Questions... From: Sarah Lorriane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:18:06 -0800 Status: RO One thing that I did on my Uniquely You form was split it appart and "core" both halves of the form from the inside (it's just two pieces glued together). This allowed it to actually compress in a corset, which is a nice thing for a dress form to do when the only thing you use it for is costuming. If you do this, you have to be conscious of not digging too deep, or else you will puncture through the form (the foam is very dense, so it's easy to get carried away). I didn't core the breasts as much as the waist on my dummy, out of concern that it would cause the breasts to "deflate" a bit. Shouldn't have worried in retrospect, however. On a side note, I don't care for my Uniquely You all that much. Now that I can corset it, it has made life somewhat easier, but the thing just is not shaped like a human. The shoulders are too broad and rounded for my size and the neck is far too wide to fit an accurite colar. And, as was said before, it has no hips or tummy or anything else a normal woman has. These days I use it mainly for getting the basic idea of a mock up before fitting it to my own body, or just to hem skirts. If I knew this back when I orded the thing, I would have sunk my $180 into constructing my own form. Just my $0.02. :) Sarah Lorraine on 1/26/02 8:41 AM, Martha Kelly at marthakelly@nyc.rr.com wrote: > The dress form I have was listed as "small" and it looks HUGE. Sorry if I > wasn't clear. > Lady G > > According to the manufacturer, a "small" form with a size 6 cover will take > you up to a 40" bust. > I'm sure you read all that when you bought the thing. It's just hard to > believe it could ever be squished down to human proportions. > > There's something I forgot to mention. I learned this the hard way. > Because of all the pressure from within, there is a great strain on the > seams. The fabric, which looks like polyester poplin, will literally pull > apart. So, after you get it the proper size, I strongly recommend that you > reinforce the seams. Flat fell them or back the seams with a strip of muslin > or tape. > > Martha > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 14:02:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23426 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:02:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QJcVF00880; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:38:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QJc1T27748; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (dsl092-160-084.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.160.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QJbbT27664 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:37:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from gideonfamily.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C905F7F78 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:37:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C530597.AA54A00F@gideonfamily.org> From: Andrea Gideon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Uniquely You Questions... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:37:59 -0500 Status: RO > . And, as was said > before, it has no hips or tummy or anything else a normal woman has. These > days I use it mainly for getting the basic idea of a mock up before fitting > it to my own body, or just to hem skirts. > > Sarah Lorraine This was a major issue for me, too, as I got mine right after having a baby. I ended up letting out seams from the waist down on my cover. When I put the cover on the foam, it bagged quite a bit. I just stuffed the hip and butt area with fiberfill. Not only did she look exactly like me, but as my post-partum figure returned to normal, I was able to take some of the stuffing out. Andrea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 14:47:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23658 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:47:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QKNTF02881; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:23:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QKN0T09671; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QKMjT09614 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:22:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.231]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020126202311.SIUW11568.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:23:11 +0100 Message-ID: <3C531024.7080506@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ED3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <003701c1a54a$a15bde80$6401a8c0@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:23:00 +0100 Status: RO Hi Daniel. Thanks a lot for those photos. I browsed and enjoyed all the wonderfull photos. It was like a fairytale, Bravo! Bjarne Daniel Fenwick wrote: >Here is a pic with my finished Cote and my ladies finished Gown from 12th >Night. Her gown is made basically from Mistress Cori's instructions ( >http://sca-garb.freeservers.com/articles/corikirtle.html ), although could >be a bit tighter. > >http://www.keradwc.com/20020105_west12/_2002_006_12.html > >The plaque belts are from Raymond's Quiet Press, the linen chause are from >Historic Enterprises as are the shoes that you can't see in this pic. > >Dan Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 15:10:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23765 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:10:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QKkTF04088; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:46:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QKk0T16413; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QKj5T16200 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:45:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16UZhb-0005g2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:45:31 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020125200330.18131.qmail@web20806.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:48:35 -0500 Status: RO I'm in a Maryland suburb of DC, Gaithersburg, to be precise. Where are you? -Megan McHugh -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Margaret Farrow Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:04 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage Megan, where are you? I live on the east coast, too. Margaret --- "Megan M." wrote: > Ah well, 5 hours the wrong way. I do wind up in > Dayton and Cincinnatti > every once in awhile, but am now on the east coast. > I was just wondering if > we were neighbors and I didn't know it. > -Megan > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of aleed > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 9:39 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage > > > > Springfield, OH. 5 hours due west. h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 16:14:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24042 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:14:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QLnVF07214; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:49:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QLn0T01782; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from c0mailgw10.prontomail.com ([209.185.149.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QLmvT01766 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:48:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from c2web29 (209.185.149.10) id 3C50BEBE000A5450 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:42:26 -0800 X-Version: Informail 6.2.2073.0 From: "Kimberly Tribe" Message-Id: X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Another inventive hoopskirt boning idea Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:52:08 -0500 Status: RO I was in the hardware store this afternoon looking for something god to use for hoop boning (since I don't want to pay more than $2 a yard for hoop steel here)... they didn't have any kind of tubing that was rigid enough to hold the right form or to not have a memory for tight curves, and no strapping of any sort, so I started to leave -- then my husband stopped me in front of the clothes line wire! It was perfect! (Not the soft stuff mind you, but the super heavy duty kind with a break strength of 1700Lbs -- the 1100lb and lower stuff was a bit too pliable to hold up piles of brocade and velvet). It's the steel wire inside a slick plastic tubing (if you're unfamilliar with "clothes line cable"). It's narrower than any of the plumbing tubing (which will help give a smoother looking hoop than the larger pvc tubing would), and stiff enough to spring back into a straight line (so it won't collapse easily). And it only cost $16.00CND for a 60 yard roll of it. Not too bad! I also thought of something else while I was in there -- using the heavy duty weed whacker line for corset boning (it's like 3-4 mm round reed, but MUCH more durable). It't quite stiff enough for Elizabethan corsets, and a rather large roll of the stuff is under $5.00. Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 16:50:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24138 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:50:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QMQUF08929; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:26:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QMQ0T10862; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20810.mail.yahoo.com (web20810.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0QMPnT10826 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:25:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020126222617.39847.qmail@web20810.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.34.73.189] by web20810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:26:17 PST From: Margaret Farrow Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:26:17 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Salisbury, Maryland...20 minutes from the beach...about two hours from you. Margaret --- "Megan M." wrote: > I'm in a Maryland suburb of DC, Gaithersburg, to be > precise. Where are you? > -Megan McHugh _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 16:58:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24155 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:58:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QMYUF09322; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:34:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QMY1T12868; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QMXYT12694 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:33:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-117.frys.com [66.121.20.117]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0QMXrg13304 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:33:53 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020126142818.00d6a5a0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] corset bone stops Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:32:17 -0800 Status: RO This is an answer to a question someone on another list asked me, about the embroidered 'bone stoppers' on my Victorian corset. She said she didn't mind me re-posting it: > > >>I was also meaning to ask you... How was it that > > you'd stitched the > > >>boning on your corset in so that it doesn't pop > > out? I was admiring it > > >>one morning and forgot to ask, and I saw > > >>something similar looking in a victorian corset ad > > I found, so it > > >>reminded me to ask. :) > > > > > >Mine uses a 6-stitch tack, worked like the > > herringbone stitch in > > >embroidery. The needle comes out at 1, goes in at > > 2, out at 3, in at 4, > > >out at 5, in at 6, out at 7, in at 8, out at 9, in > > at 'a', out at 'b', and > > >in at 'c', then gets fastened off on the back. The > > stitches look diagonal > > >on the front, and horizontal on the back. > > > > > >I originally did these on mine because I'm an > > authenticity snob, and I > > >have seen them in many corset ads/photos, but it > > turned out to be a good > > >idea. The points at the ends keep the bone from > > moving up or down in its > > >channel, and the points at the sides keep the bone > > from slipping sideways > > >off the points at the ends. The trick seems to be > > to stitch snug but not > > >too tight, or the bone is forced thru the cloth > > anyway (one of mine did > > >this, and I had to fix it). > > > > > > | | > > > ->| |<-bone->| |<-bone > > > | | | | channel > > > | | | | here > > > | | > > > 3\| |/2 > > > \ / > > > 7\|\ /|/6 > > > \ \ / / > > > b\|\ \ / /|/a > > > \ \ \/ / / > > > | |\ \/\/ /| | > > > | | \/\/\/ | | > > > | | /\/\/\ | | > > > | |/_/\/\_\| | > > > 1 5 9c 8 4 > > > > > > > > >BTW, do you mind if I re-post your question and my > > answer to another list? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 16:58:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24159 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:58:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QMYZF09338; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:34:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QMY6T12930; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:34:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QMXZT12708 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:33:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-117.frys.com [66.121.20.117]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0QMXsg13307 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:33:55 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020126142631.00d6ebe0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another inventive hoopskirt boning idea In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:26:55 -0800 Status: RO > >I also thought of something else while I was in there -- using the >heavy duty weed whacker line for corset boning (it's like 3-4 mm >round reed, but MUCH more durable). It't quite stiff enough for >Elizabethan corsets, and a rather large roll of the stuff is under >$5.00. This has successfully been used for corded petticoats. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 18:05:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24344 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:05:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0QNedF12771; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:40:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QNe0T29930; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QNdET29757 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:39:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.a8.5842e6a (18707) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:39:33 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Uniquely You Questions... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:39:32 EST Status: RO Martha, Thanks for the suggestion, I'd wondered about the strength of the seams so will do that either tonight or tomorrow. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 21:08:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25023 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:08:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R2hYF20625; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:43:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R2h1T10315; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R2gTT10146 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:42:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01966 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p19.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.147]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA22047 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:42:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201270242.VAA22047@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124083757.00a7a020@blue.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] 1900-1925 hats Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:38:08 -0500 Status: RO >After some very good notes on color, Gwyn signed herself >>>>Gwyn Carnegie; who now owns too many 1900 to 1925 hats - everyone has to >have a weakness >; ) Gwyn, could you post pics of your collection, please? I'd love to see them, as I'm on a bit of a hat kick myself lately... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 21:12:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25036 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:12:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R2mVF20950; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:48:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R2m1T11451; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R2l3T11229 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:47:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02446 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:47:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p19.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.147]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA27618 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:47:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201270247.VAA27618@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Preserving books? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:42:42 -0500 Status: RO At 12:24 PM 01/25/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >I'm buying some unfinished bookcases, and plan to finish them myself. >They're going to be holding some really pricy and really old books--some >over 200 years old. Does anyone know what finishes I should use or avoid? >Is linseed oil OK, or should I use polyurethane? Will having glass doors >on the front help preserve them, or should they get some air flow? My husband (woodworker) says use polyurethane or a very good varnish, and let it cure for 3-4 days before putting anything on them. Speaking of which, I've been meaning to inventory and take pictures of my costume books. I don't have any antique books (yet), but I've discovered that a bunch of costume books that I bought while they were still in print have dramatically increased in value, so if I had a house fire and didn't have a list of what I'd lost, I'd have a hard time replacing them... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 21:14:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25040 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:14:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R2oUF21016; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:50:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R2o0T11891; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R2nnT11843 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:49:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02795 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p19.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.147]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA01097 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:50:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201270250.VAA01097@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] too many shoes In-Reply-To: <82.168af401.2982ef2a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:45:29 -0500 Status: RO At 12:26 PM 01/25/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Oh YES Please. Imelda Marcos ain't got nothin' on me. >Lady G >Who just bought a pair of 1972 stacks in silk oriental brocade, Love 'em! I'm afraid I'm headed down that road, myself. I just bid on yet another pair of ankle boots, on Ebay... My current weakness is shoes or boots with Louis heels -- the ones with a little 'waist' on 'em, ya know? When those were in style -- late 1980s -- I wasn't doing 18th c. reenacting. I wish now that I'd bought a whole bunch of them, particularly a pair that my friend Mary Kate bought: green damask with a lovely 'fan' tongue. Sigh... I haven't seen any of these on Ebay. What key words should I be using? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 21:17:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25047 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:17:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R2rUF21178; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:53:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R2r0T12568; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R2qXT12493 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:52:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.a9.21ecb435 (4406) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:52:51 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] too many shoes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:52:51 EST Status: RO In a message dated 26/1/02 8:51:09 PM, lindo@radix.net writes: << What key words should I be using? -- Mara >> I've been looking for about 2 years and Keep coming up with"Just the Right Shoe", I'm really staarting to hate mini shoes! If you ever find out the magic words to use and don't share...grrrrr! Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 21:28:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25085 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:28:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R34UF21821; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:04:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R340T15135; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R33OT14967 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:03:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04073 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p19.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.147]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA17231 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:03:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201270303.WAA17231@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Uniquely You Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:59:04 -0500 Status: RO At 10:18 AM 01/26/2002 -0800, you wrote: >On a side note, I don't care for my Uniquely You all that much. Now that I >can corset it, it has made life somewhat easier, but the thing just is not >shaped like a human. The shoulders are too broad and rounded for my size >and the neck is far too wide to fit an accurite colar. And, as was said >before, it has no hips or tummy or anything else a normal woman has. These >days I use it mainly for getting the basic idea of a mock up before fitting >it to my own body, or just to hem skirts. If I knew this back when I orded >the thing, I would have sunk my $180 into constructing my own form. > >Just my $0.02. :) > >Sarah Lorraine I got mine as a Christmas present from my hubby a few years ago, and I pointed him to a sale, so he got it for 50% off, so I don't feel bad about mine :D It certainly has helped me drape stuff that I could never have done otherwise. Yes, I do have to 'fine-tune' it after I get the basic pattern draped; I always have to take things in at the small of the back (just as I do on commercial patterns), and I ought to mark my shoulder line on the cover in permanent marker. I think it's worth having -- especially if you can get it on sale, or get a used one, and don't have a good friend or relative living close by to help you drape and fit clothing. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 21:30:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25107 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:30:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R36UF21897; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:06:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R360T15548; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R35hT15466 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:05:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-162-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.162]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0R36B958048 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:06:11 -0500 Message-ID: <021d01c1a6e0$4af2dd40$33882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <005f01c1a3f8$18ceafa0$e4d4adcb@user> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:11:19 -0500 Status: RO Well, this was one of the few "tests" that got me fairly accurately, including where I am now emotionally. the only thing is, I picked my first color more because it reminds me of my kingdom than anything else.;-) Moira > It was spot on. Exactly where I am at the moment. So much so, I'm using it > in my journal, and going to fill out their little survey. Mind you it is > based on phychological principles isn't it? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 21:35:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25117 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:35:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R3BUF22103; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:11:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R3B0T16542; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R3AqT16506 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:10:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04891 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p19.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.147]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA26363 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:11:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201270311.WAA26363@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] too many shoes In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:06:31 -0500 Status: RO At 09:52 PM 01/26/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I've been looking for about 2 years and Keep coming up with"Just the Right >Shoe", I'm really staarting to hate mini shoes! If you ever find out the >magic words to use and don't share...grrrrr! >Lady G LOL -- of course I'll share (the keyword)! I just won't tell you which items I'm bidding on... :D -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 21:39:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25128 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:39:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R3FVF22254; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:15:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R3F1T17426; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R3EWT17302 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:14:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.39.2181a475 (4406) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:14:53 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <39.2181a475.2984caac@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] too many shoes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:14:52 EST Status: RO In a message dated 26/1/02 9:12:10 PM, lindo@radix.net writes: << LOL -- of course I'll share (the keyword)! I just won't tell you which items I'm bidding on... :D -- Mara >> DEAL! Lady G who's still drooling over her stacks. They are lovely. My favorite pair was a truly hideous pair of 1940's black suede ones I found at a yard sale when I was 8. I wore them til they fell off my feet and couldn't be repaired again. I knew they were ugly then and I know they were ugly now, why am I still looking for a pair? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 21:50:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25177 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:50:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R3QVF22683; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:26:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R3Q1T19908; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R3PbT19784 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:25:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-162-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.162]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0R3Q59222180 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:26:05 -0500 Message-ID: <02c001c1a6e3$128249c0$33882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <18a.2445448.2980ddec@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:31:12 -0500 Status: RO Did you play the version with the Nintendo characters that showed up as you beat various levels? (I beat it just over 11yrs ago) Moira who remembers the even older version from the arcades of the 80s. I did it again and listened to > the music this time and came up with the same result. My Tetris game used to > have the same "song" playing in the background but heavier bass notes but > very similar. Strange music but I like it. Never said I was normal. > Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 21:55:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25209 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:55:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R3VUF22963; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:31:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R3V0T20981; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R3UWT20882 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:30:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.53.119d212b (4406) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:30:53 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <53.119d212b.2984ce6c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Teddy Fan Club Test To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:30:52 EST Status: RO In a message dated 26/1/02 9:27:08 PM, moirabeaneoin@prodigy.net writes: << Did you play the version with the Nintendo characters that showed up as you beat various levels? (I beat it just over 11yrs ago) Moira who remembers the even older version from the arcades of the 80s. >> Don't have a clue. Just whichever Mac version they let me have for free when I typed in Tetris on Yahoo. Sue me I'm cheap. It's been a while since I've played (about a year) but the last game was set up to start with 11 layers of blocks in place. Don't even know exactly what THAT means. Just like things tidy and it seems to be the ultimate tidy game. :-} Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 22:21:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25317 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:21:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R3vVF24033; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:57:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R3v0T26696; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R3ukT26640 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:56:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16UgRO-0003AO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:57:14 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020126222617.39847.qmail@web20810.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:00:20 -0500 Status: RO Then for the purposes of this list, we are neighbors. Perhaps we can meet sometime, when we are not both incredibly busy. -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Margaret Farrow Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 5:26 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage Salisbury, Maryland...20 minutes from the beach...about two hours from you. Margaret --- "Megan M." wrote: > I'm in a Maryland suburb of DC, Gaithersburg, to be > precise. Where are you? > -Megan McHugh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 22:42:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25369 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:42:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R4IUF25024; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:18:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R4I0T01366; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta019.verizon.net (mta019pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.226]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R4H5T01189 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:17:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from default ([151.199.135.160]) by mta019.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.02 201-253-122-122-102-20011128) with SMTP id <20020127041733.XSYD17427.mta019.verizon.net@default> for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:17:33 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020127041141.006a2be0@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] period sewing baskets - contents? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:11:41 -0500 Status: RO At 05:03 AM 1/26/02 -0800, you wrote: >I don't have a box for English Regency, because I don't do that period very >often. If I do Regency, I usually only bring needle, thread, and the work >itself, and I hide the non-period scissors. > > Scissors for regency are surprisingly easy to come by, as many modern scissors are very close. While I am no expert on the period in question, I have seen several earlier (18th century) scissors and actually used one pair of originals. I also own two "repros". There are also a large number shown in Diderot's Encyclpedia. All of these (except for one pair of Tailors Shears) look much like modern all steel scissors. The only difference being that they are hand forged (which the trained eye can detect) and some of the older scissors have fancy details. Many do not however and look just like modern scissors. I say this because if this is true in 1770, than I suspect it is true a couple of decades later. I have seen one pair of scissors that did not match the above description, and I think they were regency (though they may have been earlier). I went to Charlottesville specifically to see these (no really I did). We were discussing period scissors over on the revlist and a question came up regarding the chinese scissors so frequently used by reenactors. I think these are the ones you are describing as looking like sheep shears, but maybe not, there are some repro nippers out there now that look exactly like little sheep shears (I keep meaning to buy a pair). The chinese ones are usually black and have short blades and huge finger rings. Many of us mentioned not having seen these in period sources, and having seen several originals that looked just like modern scissors (see above...). By period I do specifically mean the American Revolution, I have seen very similar scissors in older (16th century) sources. Anyway, I was told there was a pair of original 18th century scissors, of the chinese style at the Jefferson museum (not Monticello) at Charlottsville. So I drove up there (actually I intended to tour the house as well, do not try that during Easter week) I did find the scissors belonging to a Jefferson daughter. They were part of a pocket sewing kit, very like what are commonly referred to by reenactors as "housewives". I believe the sign attributed this to the federal period (there was a date I just forget what it was, but I believe it was rather late). The scissors did look exactly like the chinese scissors but were very small, I mean smaller than most embroidery scissors today. The big loops made great sense then, because it was the only way to operate them (using a thumb and one finger). Frankly, I do not think those original scissors are a suitable example for using chinese scissors of a far greater size (though I do have a pair I frequently use for nippers in modern life. Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 26 23:43:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25533 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:43:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R5JWF27477; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:19:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R5J0T13311; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f137.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R5IvT13282 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:18:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:19:21 -0800 Received: from 32.102.123.169 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:19:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.123.169] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2002 05:19:21.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D321D40:01C1A6F2] Subject: [h-cost] Uniquely You Questions/Twin-Fit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:19:20 -0800 Status: RO I got a Twin-Fit last year and I really like it. It's the harder body style, but with several dials to adjust parts up and down. This one goes down to my smallest daughter and up to my full size. I do think it will still need some tummy padding to get the total image (yuck) but I can change it within about four dress sizes just by the different dials. I also got it on sale for $99 instead of $169. The fabric cover is sort of flimsy, but I plan to make a tight stretchy sort of cover to protect the original one from pins etc. Just my thoughts on forms >At 10:18 AM 01/26/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >On a side note, I don't care for my Uniquely You all that much. Now that >I > >can corset it, it has made life somewhat easier, but the thing just is >not > >shaped like a human. The shoulders are too broad and rounded for my size > >and the neck is far too wide to fit an accurite colar. And, as was said > >before, it has no hips or tummy or anything else a normal woman has. >These > >days I use it mainly for getting the basic idea of a mock up before >fitting > >it to my own body, or just to hem skirts. If I knew this back when I >orded > >the thing, I would have sunk my $180 into constructing my own form. > > > >Just my $0.02. :) > > > >Sarah Lorraine > >I got mine as a Christmas present from my hubby a few years ago, and I >pointed him to a sale, so he got it for 50% off, so I don't feel bad about >mine :D It certainly has helped me drape stuff that I could never have >done otherwise. Yes, I do have to 'fine-tune' it after I get the basic >pattern draped; I always have to take things in at the small of the back >(just as I do on commercial patterns), and I ought to mark my shoulder line >on the cover in permanent marker. I think it's worth having -- especially >if you can get it on sale, or get a used one, and don't have a good friend >or relative living close by to help you drape and fit clothing. > >-- Mara > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 00:31:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25619 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:31:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R67WF29346; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:07:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R670T22585; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R66pT22549 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:06:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2159.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.159]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12731 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:07:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3C539843.F8388A6@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] period sewing baskets - contents? References: <2.2.32.20020127041141.006a2be0@mail.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:03:47 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. There was a pair of excavated scissors at Philipsburg Manor on the Hudson, tenatively dated to the 1660s (the original date of the settled site, although the site currently recreates 18th Cent. life), that looked remarkably like the Chinese scissors seen today. I took one pair once (modern Chinese scissors, that is), and heated and bent the arms to resemble a pair from a 1640s Dutch painting I have seen, I believe, in DC. I can't find the picture right now, though. I have also made a pair for my wife from a cheap pair of scissors with nicely rounded rings (I did a little file work, and they looked remarkably like some I have seen in a few museums.) There is a large paperback book I have called Scissors (Magna Books 1990 ISBN 1-85422-182-5) that has color photos of scissors, shears and other similar devices (candletrimmers, etc.) from Neolithic times (flints) up to a pair given to Benito Mussolini. The book also has illustrations of paintings and sculptures showing scissors and shears, including a disturbing bas-relief of a woman using shears to trim her pubic hair (?!), dated 1185 from Milan. The Museum of London book on Medieval finds titled Knives and Scabbards has some excavated examples of shears and scissors (pgs 106-114), the MoL book called Medieval Households has a section on thimbles, needles and thread reels (pgs 265-270, that's where I saw the bone being used as a thread reel), and the Dress Accessories one has a whole section on pins. The thread winders from the Mary Rose can be seen on pg. 97 of Alexander McKee's book " How we found the Mary Rose" 1982 ISBN 0-312-39630-9. I have found period medical/surgical texts to contain many illos of scissors which appear very similar to scissors used to cut cloth. Also, I have a book on London Tradesman's cards of the 18th cent. (Dover 1968) which has cutlers cards displaying scissors similar to those dating back to the 16th Cent. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 02:37:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25854 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:37:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R8DXF03660; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:13:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R8D0T16144; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R8CdT16087 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:12:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.6.207]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQL84F00.69Z for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:12:15 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] period sewing baskets - contents? Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020126041753.00be7420@mail.frys.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:08:18 -0800 Status: RO Without catching up to the rest of today's mail: Corticelli silk thread comes on wooden spools with the label printed right on the wood. I haven't bought any lately, but I used to get it (sewing silk and buttonhole) at International Silks & Woolens and 3rd Street Fabrics in Los Angeles. In general, anything that doesn't draw attention to itself by being plastic or otherwise synthetic should serve. MaggiRos What else should go in there? What > distinguishing things will make the contents of one basket look Victorian > and that of the other look late Victorian/Edwardian? (All the women's > magazines of each period can tell me what the outsides look like.) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 03:05:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25953 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:05:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R8fVF04285; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:41:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R8f0T20788; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R8eST20655 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:40:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.6.207]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQL9G900.G5V for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:40:57 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Uniquely You Questions... Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200201270303.WAA17231@saltmine.radix.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:37:00 -0800 Status: RO Mara said: > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Yes, I do have to 'fine-tune' it after I get the basic > pattern draped; I always have to take things in at the small of the back > (just as I do on commercial patterns), and I ought to mark my shoulder line > on the cover in permanent marker. I think it's worth having -- especially > if you can get it on sale, or get a used one, and don't have a good friend > or relative living close by to help you drape and fit clothing. > And there it is. It comes as a (perhaps bizarre) kind of figure ready to be compressed into your actual shape. They should probably mention that in the sales material. :) It is a form, as a form letter is a form, and must be customized before it looks anything like you. (When mine came, we called it "Tits McCoy".) Just as you cannot fit anything on yourself, you cannot fit this by youself. You need a friend, preferably one more skilled than you are yourself, to fiddle with the cover, but any costumer friend will do. My Uniquely You (which suited me very well until I stopped doing Faire and started getting fat) has two horizontal folds at the bust about 3/4 inch apart, another at the waist. (This takes into account IIRC both the shortish waist and the annoyingly out of proportion small bosom) There is also a tuck between neck and actual point. I'm just short all over. :-) Make it fit you. Take it off. Put it on the foam and zip it up. This may take some work. Voila, it looks a lot like you. Set the height so the shoulder matches your shoulder height and so the waist matches your waist to floor. If it doesn't, do it all again until it does. Now you can pin your own hems without having to trust anyone to believe that when you say "on the carpet" you mean "on the carpet". (On the carpet = on the grass) In any case, when you open the shipping box, DON'T PANIC. Gasp, Laugh, then pick up the phone. Incidentally, the best bodice pattern I ever had was draped on me by my then boyfriend who had never done such a thing before. But he has a good eye, and had been draped on numerous occasions before, and had paid attention. Your tailor doesn't *have* to be more experienced than you as long as you have a full length mirror and a clue. ;) Of course, all this changes if you're trying to use a single form for multiple parties. In that case, you're on your own. Just my tuppence ha'penny, MaggiRos MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 04:14:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26254 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:14:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R9oYF06646; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:50:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R9o1T02968; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R9nXT02899 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:49:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-118.frys.com [66.121.20.118]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0R9nsg00675 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:49:55 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020127013211.00d13100@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] period sewing baskets - contents? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20020127041141.006a2be0@mail.verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:44:15 -0800 Status: RO >I think these are the ones you are describing as looking like >sheep shears, but maybe not, there are some repro nippers out there now that >look exactly like little sheep shears (I keep meaning to buy a pair). The >chinese ones are usually black and have short blades and huge finger rings. >Many of us mentioned not having seen these in period sources, and having >seen several originals that looked just like modern scissors (see above...). >By period I do specifically mean the American Revolution, I have seen very >similar scissors in older (16th century) sources. Jost Amman, one of my main sources (he published illustrations c.1560) shows the sheep-shear kind of scissors, so I use the little Japanese ones for my Ren German character. I also have a 2" pair Clover, the modern notions company, made, but they're stainless and look it, so they're in my modern sewing kit. I don't use this shape for anything later than 1600. For Regency/Federal period I would only use the modern hinge-in-the-middle shape of scissors, having seen a few antiques/repros of that period, in places like e-bay. I just don't bother getting a pair because I do that period so infrequently, and then only to dance. (California knew very little of George IV or George Washington, so there's not much call for recreating it here except to dance). Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 04:15:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26261 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:15:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R9ovF06663; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:50:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R9oQT03037; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:50:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R9naT02911 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:49:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-118.frys.com [66.121.20.118]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0R9nxg00679 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:49:59 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020127014629.00d13690@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] period sewing baskets - contents? In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020126041753.00be7420@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:47:59 -0800 Status: RO Thanks for the leads, but I guess I was hoping for specifics. What one or two things really set the period in a historical sewing basket? I know what un-sets it ;) >Without catching up to the rest of today's mail: Corticelli silk thread comes >on wooden spools with the label printed right on the wood. I haven't >bought any >lately, but I used to get it (sewing silk and buttonhole) at International >Silks >& Woolens and 3rd Street Fabrics in Los Angeles. > >In general, anything that doesn't draw attention to itself by being plastic or >otherwise synthetic should serve. > >MaggiRos > > >What else should go in there? What > > distinguishing things will make the contents of one basket look Victorian > > and that of the other look late Victorian/Edwardian? (All the women's > > magazines of each period can tell me what the outsides look like.) > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 05:50:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26836 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:50:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0RBQXF09082; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:26:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RBQ1T01173; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20306.mail.yahoo.com (web20306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0RBPmT01133 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:25:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020127112618.98700.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.98.124] by web20306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:26:18 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] a 12th Century lady's giant canvas totebag To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <8TX9BjPOItU8Iwmq@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:26:18 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > How giant are you thinking of? Surely your harp key > and strings aren't > that big? Everything I'm talking about would easily fit into a gallon zip-lock bag. I didn't know if a simple shoulder bag was "allowed" or if it was hopelessly non-period unless you're a farmer and it's one of those seed-sowing bags! What do you put your harp in? > This is a pathetic instance of turning a simple sewing project into a nightmare of complexity! ;-) When I bought Rosamunde (my cherrywood lap harp) she was so expensive that I couldn't afford a case and have been carrying her around naked (her, not me, sillies!) for the past seven years. Two years ago I decided to sew a fabric case for her -- just a big harp-shaped drawstring bag. But then I got so carried away with Victorian crazy-quilt patchwork, embroidery and other embellishments that (a) I don't seem to have the time & energy to finish it and (b) I would now need a case to protect the delicate hyper-embellished treasure that the case has become! Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 06:17:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26888 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 06:17:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0RBrWF09545; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:53:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RBr0T04831; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RBqAT04718 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:52:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.53.118.135.nwrk.grid.net ([63.53.118.135] helo=compaq.mindspring.com) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16UnrU-0001M1-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 06:52:41 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020127065034.009ee010@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jaukland@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joellyn Auklandus In-Reply-To: <200201270242.VAA22047@saltmine.radix.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124083757.00a7a020@blue.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]Distinct Apologies Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 06:52:35 -0500 Status: RO >My distict apologies, ladies and gentlemen, for having to do this -- but I >have written to the list moderator AND tried to unsubscribe several times >and, as they say, the "list ain't having any." This is a fabulous place for knowledge and interesting information, but my SCA years are long gone, and I can't read 30+ emails every day in the hopes of occasionally finding a nugget of info on World War I fashions... List moderator, please note and unsubscribe me. Thank you. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Joellyn Auklandus ************************************************** My true religion is kindness. - the 14th Dalai Lama ************************************************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 07:06:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27109 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:06:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0RCgXF10957; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:42:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RCg0T12258; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RCfDT12134 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:41:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Uocx-0001aO-0U for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:41:44 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] a 12th Century lady's giant canvas totebag References: <8TX9BjPOItU8Iwmq@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> <20020127112618.98700.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020127112618.98700.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:39:31 +0000 Status: RO Joan Garner wrote > >--- Jean Waddie wrote: >> How giant are you thinking of? Surely your harp key >> and strings aren't >> that big? > >Everything I'm talking about would easily fit into a >gallon zip-lock bag. I didn't know if a simple >shoulder bag was "allowed" or if it was hopelessly >non-period unless you're a farmer and it's one of >those seed-sowing bags! > I have been led to believe that shoulder bags are more correct than pouches for 12th century, certainly for women because they wore fancy girdles rather than practical belts you could hang things off. My "essentials" bag for Conquest is a small (6in square?) shoulder bag which I wear diagonally all the time - it takes the car keys, the contact lens case, the suncream and my lucet. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 07:29:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27189 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:29:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0RD5XF11621; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 06:05:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RD50T15872; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 06:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20304.mail.yahoo.com (web20304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0RD4vT15860 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 06:04:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020127130528.72363.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.98.124] by web20304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:05:28 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] a 12th Century lady's giant canvas totebag To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:05:28 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: >I have been led to believe that shoulder bags are >more correct than pouches for 12th century, >certainly for women because they wore fancy girdles >rather than practical belts you could hang things >off. Aha!! Problem/mystery solved, thank you! The lovely little pouchy-thing I made could only hold a credit card, driver's license & a single key because it had to be light enough to hang off the afore-mentioned fancy girdle. I think I'll keep it, it's so pretty and there was something I read about fancy embroidered little alms-bags, but now I can happily construct a bag for harp key, strings and even a small portable embroidery project. Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 10:43:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31802 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:43:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0RGIeF17975; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:18:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RGI1T19623; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RGHHT19425 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:17:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from 66-44-18-5.s2037.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.18.5] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16Us03-0003uc-00; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:17:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3C5429D6.9E3F7A59@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com, graemenott@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Viking tunic pattern from Haithabu References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0RGHHT19425 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:24:54 -0500 Status: RO Hi Jean- I've been trying to check out one of my photos, but it's too dark to see much at the waist. > I and a friend in Australia have beenresearching some of the textile > (wool) finds from Haithabu with the view to making a tunic based on > them. These finds were published by Inga Hägg (I. Hägg, Die Textilfunde > aus dem Hafen von Haithabu. Berichte über dieAusgrabungen in Haithabu, > Bericht 20. Neumünster: Karl Wachholz Verlag, 1984.) with not too much > info on how and why the fragments were integrated into a costume. There > is a tunic on a dummy at the Wikinger Museum Haithabu that is based on > the finds. The finds are from several different pieces of fabric and so > may not of been in the same tunic, in fact probably not. Hmm, did your friend see the dummy at the museum, or is Hagg saying that it's there? I was just htere last July, and was there prieviously in '96, and I saw no dummies of any costuming things. However, there *is* a dummy at the Ribe museum that seems to be wearing a Hedeby costume (that's the photo I was trying to examine, unsuccessfully; it's in a dim area). The pants on the dummy are red on the front and orange on the back as has been described for some pants find at Hedeby. It's wearing a belt, so we couldn't really tell much about a seam at the waist. > These finds have some very interesting features (eg slits in the gores to reach > your pouch, curved sholder/arm cutouts) but one of the most curious is Hägg > saying that there is a horizontal seam around the waist. Other examples of this > in this time period are exceedingly rare (the Viborg tunic has a false seam > around the front and back). Unfortunately Hägg doesn't elaborate on why she > believes there to be this seam although it is important to note that both sholder > pieces (one front and one back origionally joined with a sholder seam) have the > warp horizontal. This in itself is rather odd. I don't know about the pocket slits in the gores, but there is a scrap of fabric on display (and in the exhibition book) that shows an area of a rounded neck and a rounded armsceye. One of the really annoying finds about Hedeby is that it was a trading town for quite a long while, and not everything found there is viking age. It's just not necessarily possible to figure out which is and which isn't. > So my questions are; > - Has anyone got any references to other tunics (up to ~13th cent) that have > horizontal waist seams? > > - If there is no waist seam then there must be single pieces hanging from the > sholder to the hem front and back (the gores had their warps approx. vertical as > is usual). Has anyone any ideas on whether this is likely and what problems > may be encounted in doing this? Well, I have made apron-dressed that I had to cut cross-grain like this. It was the only way to get the garmet out of the amount of fabric that I had. Since the linen was a tabby-weave, it didn't seem to make any difference. It hangs just fine. But then, my pieces were straight rectangles, no angles involved to mess with the bias. If you are working with scraps, trying to piece something together and that is the only way to make the panel big enough.... why not? > 3. That due to limitations in the amount of fabric available (or some other > reason), the upper and lower portions of the tunic were different with the two > being joined by a waist seam. Again, if you are piecing from left over fabric, you might have enough to go around the body, but need to piece at the waist to make a lower skirt for the tunic. Besides, the seam would be hidden with the belt. I have a copy of the book, but my German is so old that about all I can do is read the captions and occasional bits of text. Gee I wish someone would translate it!! -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 11:01:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31994 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:01:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0RGbYF18773; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:37:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RGb1T23493; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from copacabana.rio.com (root@copacabana.rio.com [66.178.128.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R2UkT07700 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:30:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.137.120.100] (ppp100.t0.rio.com [208.137.120.100]) by copacabana.rio.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0R2VDU11273 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:31:14 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Preserving books? From: Gary Walker To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:28:16 -0800 Status: RO on 1/25/02 9:24 AM, aleed at aleed@dnaco.net wrote: > > I'm buying some unfinished bookcases, and plan to finish them myself. > They're going to be holding some really pricy and really old books--some > over 200 years old. Does anyone know what finishes I should use or avoid? > Is linseed oil OK, or should I use polyurethane? Will having glass doors > on the front help preserve them, or should they get some air flow? > > Rather off topic, I know, but there are fabric conservationists on this > list and I was hoping they might have some pointers. :) > > Thanks, > > Drea Drea, http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/ has zillions of preservation related links, and a finder for professional conservators. I hunted for a simple FAQ with an answer for this question, but there was too much stuff. ... My husband the woodworker is now available. He agrees about polyurethane's virtures, as Fred suggested. However he disagrees about the glass. Modern wood-pulp paper attracts dust mites as it ages. A snugly-fitted glass door will keep moisture down inside (and we live in the Pacific NorthWET) and dust mite debris out of the rest of the house. A well-fit door will create an interior micro-climate that stays steady when the outside (house interior) micro-climate fluctuates in temperature and humidity. If moisture inside a closed bookcase is an extreme concern there are a number of ways to capture what moisture is inside; for example, a Dri-Z-Air "water sucker", or crystalline dessicant packets. Hope this helps, Chimene & Gerek _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 11:31:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32183 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:31:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0RH7YF20147; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:07:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RH71T29994; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20804.mail.yahoo.com (web20804.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.193]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0RH6NT29837 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:06:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020127170655.82631.qmail@web20804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.34.73.189] by web20804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:06:55 PST From: Margaret Farrow Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:06:55 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I agree. That would be wonderful. Margaret --- "Megan M." wrote: > Then for the purposes of this list, we are > neighbors. Perhaps we can meet > sometime, when we are not both incredibly busy. > -Megan > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Margaret Farrow > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 5:26 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bolt Racks-fabric storage > > > Salisbury, Maryland...20 minutes from the > beach...about two hours from you. > Margaret > > --- "Megan M." wrote: > > I'm in a Maryland suburb of DC, Gaithersburg, to > be > > precise. Where are you? > > -Megan McHugh > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 12:37:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32366 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:37:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0RIDeF23251; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:13:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RID3T14439; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RICPT14245 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:12:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.49] (as3-4-63.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.49]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0RICuu05259 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:12:56 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003401c1a60a$f4cf61c0$ebb1d040@computer> References: <8.2037f4b6.298345b7@aol.com> <003401c1a60a$f4cf61c0$ebb1d040@computer> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] sewing madonnas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:14:02 -0800 Status: RO At 8:44 PM -0500 1/25/02, Lyn Greaves- Thorny Rose wrote: >According to Ewen at Long Ship Trader's (the only person I have >actually asked about this)- wooden thread winders were available in >SCA period (nothing more specific was asked) and they were most >likely a small piece of wood that you wound your thread around. Mind you, when someone at an SCA event is trying to sell me something and assures me that it's period but can't give me any specifics, I may not always take the claim at face value! Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 14:21:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00541 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:21:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0RJvaF28407; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:57:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RJv1T08115; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RJuqT08067 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:56:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.49] (as3-4-63.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.49]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0RJvOu00844 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:57:24 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020127014629.00d13690@mail.frys.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20020126041753.00be7420@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020127014629.00d13690@mail.frys.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: RE: [h-cost] period sewing baskets - contents? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:07:38 -0800 Status: RO At 1:47 AM -0800 1/27/02, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >Thanks for the leads, but I guess I was hoping for specifics. What >one or two things really set the period in a historical sewing >basket? I know what un-sets it ;) When I researched this, I was only looking at pre-1600 (roughly) material, so it's hard to draw any really significant conclusions (and the early end of my scope was, realistically, only around the 13th century, with a few earlier outliers for archaeological material). Within that period (roughly13-16th century) there was actually a surprising continuity of use in the _containers_. Baskets of similar shapes and designs get used for similar purpoes throughout. Small to medium-sized bentwood boxes get used (or at least associated with) images of sewing throughout. The one style of container that seems to be innovative towards the 16th century is a "sewing box" or "sewing pillow" -- a rigid container either shaped like one of those little portable writing desks, or simply like a broad shallow box, with a padded and cloth-covered top on which the work was done. In terms of sewing _equipment_ (as opposed to containers) about the only items consistently visible in the artwork I studied that could be compared are scissors. And, again, there was a significant continuity from the earliest to the latest images -- everyone was using relatively modern-looking hinged scissors with small round loops. (I've got some earlier archaeological examples of this style too, but I can't contextualize them as well as the artistic images.) For people doing _handwork_ (as opposed, for example, to finishing or cutting cloth yardage, where I sometimes found the one-piece spring-shears) this is the only style of scissor I saw in my data. Like a lot of people, I'm attracted to the small one-piece spring-shears because they look "non-modern", but for medieval handwork I've come to the conclusion that this is one of those misguided substitutions of the inaccurate but "exotic" for the accurate but "familiar". Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 14:24:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00626 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:24:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0RK0ZF28560; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:00:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RK01T08743; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RJx6T08571 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:59:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0RJxo0m021912 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:59:51 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Preserving books? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:01:03 -0800 Status: RO Just a note. When I visited Marlborough House (Churchill family, home of the Dukes of Marlborough) and went through the library I noticed that there was no glass on the doors to the book cases, it was all a decorative grillwork. I asked the guide about that, and he said that it allowed the old books to "breathe", and did not allow moisture to collect inside the case. Some of the works in this library are period, others are copies of Winston Churchill's books from last century. Certainly England can be just as moist and the Pacific Northwet! Regina, home in Portland, OR (snow!? Where did someone get this big idea?) ----------------------------------------- http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/ has zillions of preservation related links, and a finder for professional conservators. I hunted for a simple FAQ with an answer for this question, but there was too much stuff. ... My husband the woodworker is now available. He agrees about polyurethane's virtures, as Fred suggested. However he disagrees about the glass. Modern wood-pulp paper attracts dust mites as it ages. A snugly-fitted glass door will keep moisture down inside (and we live in the Pacific NorthWET) and dust mite debris out of the rest of the house. A well-fit door will create an interior micro-climate that stays steady when the outside (house interior) micro-climate fluctuates in temperature and humidity. If moisture inside a closed bookcase is an extreme concern there are a number of ways to capture what moisture is inside; for example, a Dri-Z-Air "water sucker", or crystalline dessicant packets. Hope this helps, Chimene & Gerek _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 15:30:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00862 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:30:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0RL6aF02095; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:06:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RL60T23644; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RL5fT23554 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:05:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from 66-44-3-17.s779.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.3.17] helo=erols.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16UwVB-0004Qn-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:06:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3C549684.FE46D2BB@erols.com> From: "David S. Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <3C33DBCE.B9A72FE2@faucet.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020103181810.00a994b0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Another Medieval Woman Calendar Mystery Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: matchlck@erols.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:08:36 -0800 Status: RO Greetings, A Lady friend has spent the past several months, since late October, looking for a copy of the Medieval Woman Calendar. Does any know if it still available and where. Your humble and obedient servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 15:39:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00891 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:39:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0RLFaF02542; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:15:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RLF2T25696; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RLE9T25516 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:14:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from DarlaKDavis@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.150.7e55cf7 (4242) for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:14:34 -0500 (EST) From: DarlaKDavis@aol.com Message-ID: <150.7e55cf7.2985c7ba@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another Medieval Woman Calendar Mystery To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_150.7e55cf7.2985c7ba_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:14:34 EST Status: RO --part1_150.7e55cf7.2985c7ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/2002 1:07:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, matchlck@erols.com writes: > Medieval Woman Calendar. Does any know if it > still available and where. > --part1_150.7e55cf7.2985c7ba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/2002 1:07:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, matchlck@erols.com writes:


Medieval Woman Calendar.  Does any know if it
still available and where.


 --part1_150.7e55cf7.2985c7ba_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 15:39:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00895 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:39:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0RLFkF02558; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:15:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RLFBT25736; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:15:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RLEdT25625 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:14:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from DarlaKDavis@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.fe.12d02558 (4242) for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:15:04 -0500 (EST) From: DarlaKDavis@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another Medieval Woman Calendar Mystery To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fe.12d02558.2985c7d7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:15:03 EST Status: RO --part1_fe.12d02558.2985c7d7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/2002 1:07:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, matchlck@erols.com writes: > Medieval Woman Calendar. Does any know if it > still available and where. > Just checked Amazon.com and the calendar is still available. Katrin --part1_fe.12d02558.2985c7d7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/2002 1:07:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, matchlck@erols.com writes:


Medieval Woman Calendar.  Does any know if it
still available and where.


Just checked Amazon.com and the calendar is still available.

Katrin
 --part1_fe.12d02558.2985c7d7_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 16:38:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01156 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:38:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0RMEZF05661; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:14:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RME0T09407; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RMDpT09369 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:13:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m192.in-tch.com [216.166.191.192]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0RM2uT19687 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:02:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C547CC4.EF640833@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another Medieval Woman Calendar Mystery References: <3C33DBCE.B9A72FE2@faucet.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020103181810.00a994b0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <3C549684.FE46D2BB@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:18:44 -0700 Status: RO Hi. I actually have an extra......would be willing to sell it. --Sue "David S. Mallinak" wrote: > > Greetings, > > A Lady friend has spent the past several months, since late October, > looking for a copy of the Medieval Woman Calendar. Does any know if it > still available and where. > > Your humble and obedient servant, > David S Mallinak > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 17:17:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01329 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:17:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0RMrhF07440; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:53:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RMr1T18541; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:53:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0RMqOT18374 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:52:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.141]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020127225255.KPKS759.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:52:55 -0600 Message-ID: <3C548477.59D67F68@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] period sewing baskets - contents? References: <8.2037f4b6.298345b7@aol.com> <4.3.1.2.20020126041753.00be7420@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:51:35 -0600 Status: RO There was a show on PBS called "The 1900 House". For those of you that missed it, it was about a family of 5 that voulenteered to be "transplanted" to "life at the turn of the century". The wife had a set of books published back then about "What ever good wife should know about running a household". I couldn't find the name of the books, but there is a whole page of resources.. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/1900house/resources/index.html maybe you could find something there about what made up the sewing basket. *g* Katie Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >snip< > What else should go in there? What distinguishing things will make > the contents of one basket look Victorian and that of the other look > late Victorian/Edwardian? (All the women's magazines of each period > can tell me what the outsides look like.) > > Kayta _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 18:26:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01662 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:26:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S01tF10776; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:01:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S01DT12226; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:01:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0S00lT12057 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:00:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10320 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jan 2002 00:01:13 -0000 Received: from dialin-212-144-144-090.arcor-ip.net (HELO lestat) (212.144.144.90) by mail.gmx.net (mp007-rz3) with SMTP; 28 Jan 2002 00:01:13 -0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20020128003859.0160aab0@post.strato.de> X-Sender: costume@gmx.li@pop.gmx.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 To: lumieres@yahoogroups.com, 18thcwoman@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Amalie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] translators sought for 18th/19th cosmetics and 17th-19th hairdos Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:55:42 +0100 Status: RO dear list (s), sorry for the cross-posting, but i really need some help here to generate some benefit for all of us. i have created a number of webpages where i've used german sources, pages that i think would be of interest to us all. i'm feeling out of my depth with many of the special terms used, so i'm hoping that some of you out there can help me translating the stuff into english. other pages need translating from french to english. i really hope that some of you take up the challenge. what i ned help with is - 17th to 19th century hairdos and how they're made up (german, hairdresser's language) - 18th and early 19th century cosmetics (german, chemist's language) - garsault's "l'art de la lingere" and "l'art du tailleur" (french, tailor's language) if you volunteer to help, you will of course receive credits... and some other recompense, but i don't exactly know what that might be yet. state your wishes, and we'll see what can be done. salut, alexa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 19:28:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01926 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:28:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S14bF13754; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:04:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S141T29536; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S13ZT29431 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:03:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02968 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p15.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.143]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA05189 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:04:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201280104.UAA05189@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] too many shoes In-Reply-To: <39.2181a475.2984caac@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:59:09 -0500 Status: RO At 10:14 PM 01/26/2002 -0500, you wrote: >DEAL! >Lady G who's still drooling over her stacks. They are lovely. My favorite >pair was a truly hideous pair of 1940's black suede ones I found at a yard >sale when I was 8. I wore them til they fell off my feet and couldn't be >repaired again. I knew they were ugly then and I know they were ugly now, why >am I still looking for a pair? Same reason I had a pair of yard sale boots I wore to shreds when I was a teenager... :D - Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 19:49:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02072 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:49:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S1PbF14857; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:25:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S1P1T05239; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S1OkT05157 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:24:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OsRJsoZLpERkr/iLu75vajU="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GR7Z6578; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:24:59 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another Medieval Woman Calendar Mystery Message-ID: <20020127.172429.-45615.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-20 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:58:03 +0000 Status: RO I found mine at Barnes & Noble. Arlys On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:08:36 -0800 "David S. Mallinak" writes: > Greetings, > > A Lady friend has spent the past several months, since late October, > looking for a copy of the Medieval Woman Calendar. Does any know if > it > still available and where. > > > Your humble and obedient servant, > David S Mallinak > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 19:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02086 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:51:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S1PvF14892; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:25:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S1PMT05367; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:25:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S1OvT05210 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:24:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OsRJsoZLpERktr3xc6vBFbU="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GR7Z659G; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:24:59 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] period sewing baskets - contents? Message-ID: <20020127.172429.-45615.4.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5,7-62 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:13:29 +0000 Status: RO See if you can find a copy of Thomasina Beck's THE EMBROIDERER'S STORY. There's some wonderful information and period pictures in it. She starts with the Elizabethans. Arlys On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:07:38 -0800 Heather Rose Jones writes: > At 1:47 AM -0800 1/27/02, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >Thanks for the leads, but I guess I was hoping for specifics. What > > >one or two things really set the period in a historical sewing > >basket? I know what un-sets it ;) > > When I researched this, I was only looking at pre-1600 (roughly) > material, so it's hard to draw any really significant conclusions > (and the early end of my scope was, realistically, only around the > 13th century, with a few earlier outliers for archaeological > material). > > Within that period (roughly13-16th century) there was actually a > surprising continuity of use in the _containers_. Baskets of > similar > shapes and designs get used for similar purpoes throughout. Small > to > medium-sized bentwood boxes get used (or at least associated with) > images of sewing throughout. The one style of container that seems > to be innovative towards the 16th century is a "sewing box" or > "sewing pillow" -- a rigid container either shaped like one of those > > little portable writing desks, or simply like a broad shallow box, > with a padded and cloth-covered top on which the work was done. > > In terms of sewing _equipment_ (as opposed to containers) about the > only items consistently visible in the artwork I studied that could > be compared are scissors. And, again, there was a significant > continuity from the earliest to the latest images -- everyone was > using relatively modern-looking hinged scissors with small round > loops. (I've got some earlier archaeological examples of this style > > too, but I can't contextualize them as well as the artistic images.) > > For people doing _handwork_ (as opposed, for example, to finishing > or > cutting cloth yardage, where I sometimes found the one-piece > spring-shears) this is the only style of scissor I saw in my data. > > Like a lot of people, I'm attracted to the small one-piece > spring-shears because they look "non-modern", but for medieval > handwork I've come to the conclusion that this is one of those > misguided substitutions of the inaccurate but "exotic" for the > accurate but "familiar". > > Heather > -- > ***** > Heather Rose Jones > hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu > ***** > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 19:58:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02123 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:58:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S1XcF15374; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:33:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S1X2T07539; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S1W0T07276 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:32:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06311 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p15.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.143]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA07580 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:32:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201280132.UAA07580@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset bone stops In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020126142818.00d6a5a0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:27:36 -0500 Status: RO At 02:32 PM 01/26/2002 -0800, you wrote: >This is an answer to a question someone on another list asked me, about the >embroidered 'bone stoppers' on my Victorian corset. She said she didn't >mind me re-posting it: Very interesting, thank you! -_ Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 20:25:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02266 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:25:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S21aF16834; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:01:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S210T13932; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S20tT13896 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:00:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:01:24 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EE8@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Preserving books? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:01:23 -0800 Status: RO I make little book sleeves and cases for mine out of buffered paper. My favorite source is Light Impressions. Search on line for archival supply. It's worth a good read for the information. The Smithsonian's photo archivist did an all day lecture for the docents & curators of SJHM (San Jose Hysterical Museum) some years back. This was his recommendation. He said, particularly for photos, if possible, to avoid contact or enclosure with wood as wood is acidic & outgases. Most paper made after 1850 is acidic and self-destructs. Search the h-cost archives under preserving photos &/or books &/or garments. Many good suggestions presented in the past. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo tragically pining for all her treasured vintage photos, fashions plates, etiquette books, housekeeping & other books wrapped in buffered paper in a climate controlled storage locker. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 20:37:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02304 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:37:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S2DcF17476; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:13:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S2D1T16818; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:13:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S2CST16610 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:12:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:12:57 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EE9@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:12:54 -0800 Status: RO >Here is a pic with my finished Cote and my ladies finished >Gown from 12th Night. Her gown is ... >http://www.keradwc.com/20020105_west12/_2002_006_12.html Dan F, Bravi! T'was much fun looking at all the pictures. I confess I wandered thru most of them. Thanks, BTW, I have your pourpoint analysis translated. Send a fax # off list & I'll get it to you. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 20:46:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02351 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:46:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S2MbF17970; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:22:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S2M0T18933; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S2LAT18743 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:21:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:20:33 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EEB@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] FW: Tapestries Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:21:34 -0800 Status: RO Lookie what Shea found... had to share! --cin in Tokyo -----Original Message----- From: Shea Young [mailto:younganne@usa.net] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:01 AM To: Cynthia_Barnes@Phoenix.com Subject: Tapestries Hi there, You mentioned tapestries in passing and bingo! - look what my husband found. They are beautiful! > > http://www.tapestrieswp.abcguide.com/galleries/medieval.html Shea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 22:00:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02615 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:00:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S3ZfF21980; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:35:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S3Z2T07164; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S3YCT06944 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:34:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:33:36 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EED@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Craftsmans 1919 fashion colors & Japanoiserie MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A7AC.B7C74D30" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:34:40 -0800 Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A7AC.B7C74D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >...back as 1870 during one the Orientalism fads, if my memory hasn't completely left me. These fads seem to recur every 20 years for the last 200 or more. >It was also not unlike the "return" to republican rule and the simplified clothing through >classical dress during the 1790's to 1810. Does the turning of a century begin this change? Wars, & depression certainly seem to solidify such thoughts. I'm thinking in particular of the 1890s depression & the Craftsman movement. >Imagine a large tea house with Victorian gingerbread ornamentation. They are just strange at best. Japan has happily borrowed Victoriana and incorporated it locally. There are Japanese tea shops (cafes, not the cha no yu houses) hotel lobbies, streetscapes & even an entire 19th c planned housing development with Victorian-oid encrustations. Real 19th c buildings are extremely rare in Tokyo with the constant "urban renewal", the skyrocketing land values (even after the real estate crash in the 1980-90s). These structures were even rare after the rather thorough firebombing of Tokyo during WWII. There is rumored to be a ~200 yr old izakaya near Asakusa. Supposedly been in that family for 8-9 generations. Personally, I find it all fascinating >; ) Yup! Swooping back to costume... There are Japanese made 19th c fashion plates (in yukio-e style) of ladies variously in hoops, bustles, and wasp-waists. I confess that I didnt buy the 3-plate set of the imperial family in mega-bustles. Too pricey since the colors had bled. Saw another of a restaurant scene with a gaijin in a tricornered hat & breeches in the middle background. Over US$400! I did buy a 2-plate set of a street scene including a uniformed Japanese General riding in a rickshaw and a boy with hakama (large flowing Japanese "trousers"), geta & tabi (wooden sandals, split-toe socks), circa 1880 Western suit coat and a derby! How could I resist such a treasure! Cho-segoi ! --cin Cynthia in Tokyo, sulking cuz the antiques fleamarket was rained out last weekend ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A7AC.B7C74D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
>...back as 1870 during one the Orientalism fads, if my memory hasn't completely left me.
 
These fads seem to recur every 20 years for the last 200 or more.
 
>It was also not unlike the "return" to republican rule and the simplified clothing through
>classical dress during the 1790's to 1810. Does the turning of a century begin this change?
 
Wars, & depression certainly seem to solidify such thoughts.  I'm thinking in particular of the 1890s depression & the Craftsman movement.
 
>Imagine a large tea house with Victorian gingerbread ornamentation. They are just strange at best.
Japan has happily borrowed Victoriana and incorporated it locally.  There are Japanese tea shops (cafes, not the cha no yu houses) hotel lobbies, streetscapes & even an entire 19th c planned housing development with Victorian-oid encrustations.  Real 19th c buildings are extremely rare in Tokyo with the constant "urban renewal", the skyrocketing land values (even after the real estate crash in the 1980-90s). These structures were even rare after the rather thorough firebombing of Tokyo during WWII.  There is rumored to be a ~200 yr old izakaya near Asakusa. Supposedly been in that family for 8-9 generations.
 
Personally, I find it all fascinating >; ) 
 
Yup!
 
Swooping back to costume... There are Japanese made 19th c fashion plates (in yukio-e style) of ladies variously in hoops, bustles, and wasp-waists.  I confess that I didnt buy the 3-plate set of the imperial family in mega-bustles. Too pricey since the colors had bled.  Saw another of a restaurant scene with a gaijin in a tricornered hat & breeches in the middle background.  Over US$400!   I did buy a 2-plate set of a street scene including a uniformed Japanese General riding in a rickshaw and a boy with hakama (large flowing Japanese "trousers"), geta & tabi (wooden sandals, split-toe socks), circa 1880 Western suit coat and a derby!  How could I resist such a treasure!  Cho-segoi !

--cin
Cynthia in Tokyo, sulking cuz the antiques fleamarket was rained out last weekend

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A7AC.B7C74D30-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 22:42:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02747 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:42:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S4IcF24251; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:18:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S4I1T16238; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S4HHT16036 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:17:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2169.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.169]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27200 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:17:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3C54D019.2198E4E0@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] period sewing baskets - contents? References: <4.3.1.2.20020126041753.00be7420@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020127014629.00d13690@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:14:17 -0500 Status: RO > Like a lot of people, I'm attracted to the small one-piece > spring-shears because they look "non-modern", but for medieval > handwork I've come to the conclusion that this is one of those > misguided substitutions of the inaccurate but "exotic" for the > accurate but "familiar". > > Heather Hi. The one thing that I noticed in the MoL book about the medieval shears vs. the modern Chinese snips is that the bow (the U-shaped spring section of the shears) of the medieval version has a rounded section at the apex, bent more like a C= than a U, even on the smallest ones, which are larger than the modern Chinese snips. The MoL book does not give indications of specific usage (haircutting vs clothcutting vs sheepshearing, etc.), but I have seen period illos with both scissors and shears being used for many purposes. It seems that scissors were used in instances where greater cutting force was needed (such as leathercutting, for example, in instances when the moonshaped knife was not in use), and shears where the surface area of the cut was needed to be largest (woolshearing, etc.). These are generalizations, though. It may also be cultural, based on period (the shears seem to be earlier), regional, or a mixture of some of the above, or none at all. I don't know of a study on the subject, but I am interested in your findings on containers. I have seen illos of the bentwood materials (modern versions can be gotten from Scandinavian sources) and some woven pieces. I have noticed in my research on surgical things that the boxes used to pack bandages look remarkably like those used for sewing. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 27 23:21:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02914 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:21:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S4vbF26420; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:57:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S4v1T24814; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S4unT24770 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:56:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2169.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.169]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06312 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:57:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3C54D95B.EEF9F038@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Craftsmans 1919 fashion colors & Japanoiserie References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EED@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:53:48 -0500 Status: RO Hi. Oh, well. The best I have is the (probably) ubiquitous photo portrait of the Emperor on his white horse. He is wearing Westernized military uniform, nothing like wearing hakama with a suitcoat. Being 1880, he (your plate of the boy) was not carrying a katana, but perhaps he has a bamboo walking stick? Great image! Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 00:04:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03044 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:04:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S5YdF27994; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:34:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S5Y1T02832; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop0.greatbasin.net (pop0.greatbasin.net [207.228.35.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S5XET02668 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:33:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from c946283a ([24.205.200.4]) by pop0.greatbasin.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id g0S5XmcN002196 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:33:49 -0800 Message-ID: <005a01c1a7bd$7baa4b20$6401a8c0@home.com> From: "Daniel Fenwick" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ED3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <003701c1a54a$a15bde80$6401a8c0@home.com> <3C531024.7080506@post12.tele.dk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:02:15 -0800 Status: RO > Hi Daniel. > Thanks a lot for those photos. I browsed and enjoyed all the wonderfull > photos. It was like a fairytale, Bravo! > > Bjarne You're most welcome. Howeer, I didn't takethe photo's, just posed for a few. :) The gentleman that took them is starting a business, so he has been shooting a lot of portraits and so on like that. He's doing good work. :) Dan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 00:59:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03214 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:59:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S6ZdF00759; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:35:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S6Z1T15369; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S6YVT15159 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:34:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-145.frys.com [66.121.20.145]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0S6Z0g05562 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:35:00 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020127222256.00d72b70@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] Craftsmans 1919 fashion colors & Japanoiserie In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EED@tko-exch.phoenix.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:25:30 -0800 Status: RO Cynthia Barnes writes, in a message sent 07:34 PM 1/27/02 -0800: >Swooping back to costume... There are Japanese made 19th c fashion plates >(in yukio-e style) of ladies variously in hoops, bustles, and >wasp-waists. I confess that I didnt buy the 3-plate set of the imperial >family in mega-bustles. Too pricey since the colors had bled. Saw another >of a restaurant scene with a gaijin in a tricornered hat & breeches in the >middle background. Over US$400! I did buy a 2-plate set of a street >scene including a uniformed Japanese General riding in a rickshaw and a >boy with hakama (large flowing Japanese "trousers"), geta & tabi (wooden >sandals, split-toe socks), circa 1880 Western suit coat and a derby! How >could I resist such a treasure! Cho-segoi ! I guess you'll have to see my copy of 'The World of the Meiji Print', which contains Japanese wood block prints both of Japanese women in Western dresses, and Western women (the ones in hoops are the funniest). Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 01:00:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03226 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:00:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S6ZtF00779; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:35:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S6ZJT15435; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:35:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S6YXT15174 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:34:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-145.frys.com [66.121.20.145]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0S6Z2g05565 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:35:03 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020127221813.00dbfc40@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] period sewing baskets - contents? In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020127014629.00d13690@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020126041753.00be7420@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020127014629.00d13690@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:29:35 -0800 Status: RO >Like a lot of people, I'm attracted to the small one-piece spring-shears >because they look "non-modern", but for medieval handwork I've come to the >conclusion that this is one of those misguided substitutions of the >inaccurate but "exotic" for the accurate but "familiar". Jost Amman, in his book of woodcuts c.1560, shows these one-piece scissors. Since most of my pre-1600 sewing is done as a Landsknecht/Kampfrau, it seems to fit. My upper-class German SCA persona would probably have stork-scissors for needlework use. > I don't know of a study on >the subject, but I am interested in your findings on containers. I have >seen illos of the bentwood materials (modern versions can be gotten from >Scandinavian sources) and some woven pieces. I have noticed in my >research on surgical things that the boxes used to pack bandages look >remarkably like those used for sewing. I use a wood box which used to contain Madelines - oval with thin wood sides and a wood top - similar to the round ones I see in Jost Amman, for my Kampfrau. My upper class German persona doesn't really have a sewing box yet, but it would be fancier than a plain unpainted wood box. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 02:43:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05592 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:43:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S8JbF04389; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:19:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S8J0T06482; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20703.mail.yahoo.com (web20703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.176]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0S8IsT06463 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:18:54 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020128081929.70812.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web20703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:19:29 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] period sewing baskets - contents? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C548477.59D67F68@tds.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:19:29 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Dear Katie The 1900 House was originally filmed for Channel 4 in the UK. They released a book to go with the series and it will probably have the information about those "Housewifes" books. I'm not sure if amazon in america has it but here are the details from the UK. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0752272284/o/qid=1012205846/sr=8-2/ref=sr_aps_b_2_2/202-4284777-3403830 Regards Rachel --- Katie wrote: > There was a show on PBS called "The 1900 House". For those of you > that missed it, it was about a family of 5 that voulenteered to > be "transplanted" to "life at the turn of the century". The > wife had a set of books published back then about "What ever > good wife should know about running a household". > > I couldn't find the name of the books, but there is a whole > page of resources.. > > http://www.pbs.org/wnet/1900house/resources/index.html > > maybe you could find something there about what made up the > sewing basket. > > *g* > Katie > > Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >snip< > > What else should go in there? What distinguishing things will make > > the contents of one basket look Victorian and that of the other look > > late Victorian/Edwardian? (All the women's magazines of each period > > can tell me what the outsides look like.) > > > > Kayta > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 02:53:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05625 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:53:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S8TbF04666; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:29:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S8T0T08171; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f112.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S8SnT08147 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:28:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:29:20 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.40 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:29:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.40] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2002 08:29:20.0155 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1D156B0:01C1A7D5] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:29:19 -0800 Status: RO Where is he located? I can't take a decent picture of my costumes to save my life. If we're close I'd love to send him business. Jennifer >From: "Daniel Fenwick" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown >Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:02:15 -0800 > > > > Hi Daniel. > > Thanks a lot for those photos. I browsed and enjoyed all the wonderfull > > photos. It was like a fairytale, Bravo! > > > > Bjarne > >You're most welcome. Howeer, I didn't takethe photo's, just posed for a >few. :) The gentleman that took them is starting a business, so he has >been shooting a lot of portraits and so on like that. He's doing good >work. >:) > >Dan > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 03:24:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05766 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 03:24:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0S90cF05721; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:00:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S901T13483; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0S8xRT13380 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:59:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:59:27 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EF0@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] Japanoiserie Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:59:49 -0800 Status: RO > Hi. Oh, well. The best I have is the (probably) ubiquitous photo > portrait of the Emperor on his white horse. He is wearing Westernized > military uniform, nothing like wearing hakama with a suitcoat. Havent seen it. (Maybe it's not that ubiquitous? ) Which Emperor & what date? > Being > 1880, he (your plate of the boy) was not carrying a katana, > but perhaps he has a bamboo walking stick? Great image! Mike T. I think it was books or boxes. When I get a Round Tuit someday I'll scan in some of my handcolored prints & plates from all over the world. >I guess you'll have to see my copy of 'The World of the >Meiji Print', which contains Japanese wood block prints both > of Japanese women in Western dresses, and Western women >(the ones in hoops are the funniest). OK, I accept! Trying desperately to liberate some more Meiji prints for myself. I just love the changes in fashion (clothing and all the other arts, too) when cultures bump into each other. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 05:39:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06347 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 05:39:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SBFdF09157; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:15:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SBF1T21261; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl (pandora.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.179]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SBDxT21078 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:13:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-234-50.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.234.50]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 1690937A80 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:14:42 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <012801c1a7ed$18d3b560$32eaf1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ED3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <003701c1a54a$a15bde80$6401a8c0@home.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011F_01C1A7F5.73A7FDE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:15:19 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011F_01C1A7F5.73A7FDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Dan, You wrote: Here is a pic with my finished Cote and my ladies finished Gown from = 12th Night. Her gown is made basically from Mistress Cori's instructions ( http://sca-garb.freeservers.com/articles/corikirtle.html ), although = could be a bit tighter. http://www.keradwc.com/20020105_west12/_2002_006_12.html The plaque belts are from Raymond's Quiet Press, the linen chause are = from Historic Enterprises as are the shoes that you can't see in this pic. Looks good, wonderful photograph. BUT....where are the = headcoverings??? Everybody in the 14th c wore something on their head, = especially the ladies. Men had at least a coif or hood if it was colder = and endless ways of draping the latter about the head. I've often seen = this in Americans; they don't want to wear hats or veils because they = don't in their own 'mundane' life as well (except for baseball caps). = Why is that? By the way: the cloth is patterned. Is this a medieval woven pattern = or what? Just curious. Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_011F_01C1A7F5.73A7FDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Dan,
 
You wrote:
Here is a pic with my finished Cote and my ladies finished Gown = from 12th
Night. Her gown is made basically from Mistress Cori's = instructions (
http://= sca-garb.freeservers.com/articles/corikirtle.html ), although could
be a bit tighter.

http://= www.keradwc.com/20020105_west12/_2002_006_12.html

The plaque belts are from Raymond's Quiet Press, the linen chause are from
Historic Enterprises as are the shoes that you can't see in = this pic.

Looks good, wonderful photograph. BUT....where are the headcoverings??? Everybody in the 14th c wore something on their head, = especially the ladies. Men had at least a coif or hood if it was = colder and endless ways of draping the latter about the head. I've often seen = this in Americans; they don't want to wear hats or veils because they don't in = their own 'mundane' life as well (except for baseball caps). Why is = that?
 
By the way: the cloth is patterned. Is this a medieval woven = pattern or what? Just curious.
 
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very = own domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_011F_01C1A7F5.73A7FDE0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 07:26:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08601 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:26:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SD2dF12201; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 06:02:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SD21T10758; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 06:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (dsl092-160-084.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.160.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SD1ZT10661 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 06:01:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from gideonfamily.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F927F78 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:02:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C554BCE.26E5BEDC@gideonfamily.org> From: Andrea Gideon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ED3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <003701c1a54a$a15bde80$6401a8c0@home.com> <012801c1a7ed$18d3b560$32eaf1c3@henk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B92B985B575A05F2218B8703" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:02:06 -0500 Status: RO --------------B92B985B575A05F2218B8703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------B92B985B575A05F2218B8703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
  By the way: the cloth is patterned. Is this a medieval woven pattern or what? Just curious.  Henk  Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl


Two questions:  Was patterned cloth not used in the 14th cent?  AND, I went to your website, but couldn't find the link to the English page.  What I saw looked great, but I wish I could understand it.  How do I get to the English?

Andrea --------------B92B985B575A05F2218B8703-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 11:16:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08207 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:16:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SGphF09958; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:51:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SGp1T19563; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from equinox.unr.edu (equinox.unr.edu [134.197.1.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SGomT19326 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:50:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from dfenwicklaptop (dan-test-station.ed.unr.edu [134.197.92.215]) by equinox.unr.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g0SGsPN24212 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:54:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004501c1a81c$0d5c7bc0$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> From: "Daniel Fenwick" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:51:37 -0800 Status: RO > Where is he located? I can't take a decent picture of my costumes to save > my life. If we're close I'd love to send him business. > > Jennifer He lives in Southern California. He came to the West Kingdom 12th Night to do the photos. If you conrtact me off-list I'll try to get you an email address if you'd like. Dan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 11:46:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12790 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:46:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SHL1F13573; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SHKLT06617; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:20:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from equinox.unr.edu (equinox.unr.edu [134.197.1.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SHHET04867 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:17:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from dfenwicklaptop (dan-test-station.ed.unr.edu [134.197.92.215]) by equinox.unr.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g0SHKq006618 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:20:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <009f01c1a81f$bf435cc0$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> From: "Daniel Fenwick" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ED3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <003701c1a54a$a15bde80$6401a8c0@home.com> <012801c1a7ed$18d3b560$32eaf1c3@henk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:18:04 -0800 Status: RO < Looks good, wonderful photograph. BUT....where are the headcoverings??? Everybody in the 14th c wore something on their head, especially the ladies. Men had at least a coif or hood if it was colder and endless ways of draping the latter about the head. I've often seen this in Americans; they don't want to wear hats or veils because they don't in their own 'mundane' life as well (except for baseball caps). Why is that? > The hoods and so on are still in parts on my living room floor. They will eventually be finished. Americans in general don't tend to wear hats, so they tend to forget that detail when doing historical costumes, particularly since most of the books that are readily available here gloss over the subject. < By the way: the cloth is patterned. Is this a medieval woven pattern or what? Just curious. > The pattern is what was easily available on very short notice that gave something of the right feel. Getting fabric with a truly medieval pattern is almost impossible here, but you can get close with some of the upholstery fabrics that are available, if you're careful. I started her dress after the 1st of December (drafting the pattern.) I moved in the middle of the month. So there wasn't much time to hunt for fabric. However, patterned fabrics of many kinds seem to have been used during the 14th century, at least in England and France. The deBlois pourpoint is one good example, but there are several others. There are a few good pictures and/or diagrams in the Museum of London, Textiles and Clothing book (which has been republished by Boydell and Brewer.) Dan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 11:48:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12843 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:48:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SHOhF13984; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:24:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SHO4T08806; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:24:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f67.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.67]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SHJ2T05896 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:19:35 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.29 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:19:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.29] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2002 17:19:35.0280 (UTC) FILETIME=[F51C2700:01C1A81F] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:19:34 -0500 Status: RO I asked about this on another list that I'm that is full of people who make shoes and tend to be interested in trivia such as this.... No body remembers any details other than there was a television program a while back (months? years? unknown)that said that at the time it was a breakthrough discovery, because it was a -physical- method for archeologists to differentiate if a grave was Saxon vs Celtic during certain time periods where the two overlapped geographically. The original foot difference discovery was made by a podiatrist turned amateur archeologist. I believe, but am not positive, that the difference had to do with length to width ratio of the foot. Parsla > >Gawd, what would that about those of us who have a sort of > >generic-mongrel-Heinz57-british-isles type of ethnic background....? > >Sue, WASP-ish far enough back to wear yellow and black stripes...;-P > >Beats the heck out of me, since I fall in that category, too :D I think >the study was done in England, in areas where the population base isn't so >mixed as it is in the States. > >-- Mara > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 12:29:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13312 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:29:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SI5eF19307; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:05:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SI51T03491; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SI44T02920 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:04:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from picard.dnaco.net (picard.dnaco.net [207.238.206.4]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0SI5Nd02795 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by picard.dnaco.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA13837 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:07:48 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: picard.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0SI44T02920 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:07:47 -0500 (EST) Status: RO >From what I recall, the anglo-saxons had toes that went straight across while the celts had a long big toe and the rest of the toes tapered more sharply from there. Drea On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Parsla Liepa wrote: > > I asked about this on another list that I'm that is full of people who make > shoes and tend to be interested in trivia such as this.... > > No body remembers any details other than there was a television program a > while back (months? years? unknown)that said that at the time it was a > breakthrough discovery, because it was a -physical- method for archeologists > to differentiate if a grave was Saxon vs Celtic during certain time periods > where the two overlapped geographically. The original foot difference > discovery was made by a podiatrist turned amateur archeologist. I believe, > but am not positive, that the > difference had to do with length to width ratio of the foot. > > > Parsla > > > >Gawd, what would that about those of us who have a sort of > > >generic-mongrel-Heinz57-british-isles type of ethnic background....? > > >Sue, WASP-ish far enough back to wear yellow and black stripes...;-P > > > >Beats the heck out of me, since I fall in that category, too :D I think > >the study was done in England, in areas where the population base isn't so > >mixed as it is in the States. > > > >-- Mara > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 12:44:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13521 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:44:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SIIeF20761; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:18:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SII1T10995; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SIHRT10639 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:17:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.70]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020128181802.KMIF658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:18:02 -0600 Message-ID: <3C559589.5060105@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] period sewing baskets - contents? References: <20020128081929.70812.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:16:41 -0600 Status: RO Rachel wrote: >>snip<< > I'm not sure if amazon in america has it but here are the > details from the UK. > I just checked and yes it is availible on the american amazon. I just wish I could remember the name of the books themselves. But it aired in 2000, I remember bits and pieces of the show itself. There is simular show airing April 29, 2002, called "The Frontier House" set in 1883 Montana. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/frontierhouse/ Katie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 12:54:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13722 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:54:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SIRdF21848; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:27:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SIR0T16683; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl (pandora.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.179]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SIPeT15839 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:25:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-202-197.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.202.197]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id A1FFD37CCE for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:26:21 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <015201c1a829$67f94740$32eaf1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ED3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <003701c1a54a$a15bde80$6401a8c0@home.com> <012801c1a7ed$18d3b560$32eaf1c3@henk> <3C554BCE.26E5BEDC@gideonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014F_01C1A80C.048FEE60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:56:51 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01C1A80C.048FEE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Andrea, You wrote: Two questions: Was patterned cloth not used in the 14th cent? Yes, but patterns of a certain style only (mostly in silks and = silk-velvets of brocades, and these were very costly) or else = embroidered with a repeating motive (so not woven). The last were also = very costly and both were only worn by very rich merchants or as = courtgear for the more well-to-do aristocracy. As far as I could make = out the small pattern used in the cottes in the photograph; this does = not look much like the usually bigger patterns of both examples I = mention above. AND, I went to your website, but couldn't find the link to the = English page. What I saw looked great, but I wish I could = understand it. How do I get to the English? At the top of the Dutch homepage / indexpage is an English sentence = which says: To read and view our pages in English, click HERE So that's basically what you have to do. I just tried it again and it = works alright for me. Hope this helps, Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01C1A80C.048FEE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Andrea,
 
You wrote:
    Two questions:  Was patterned cloth not = used in the 14th cent? 
 
Yes, but patterns of a certain style only (mostly in silks and silk-velvets of brocades, and these were very costly) or else = embroidered with a repeating motive (so not woven). The last were also very costly and = both were only worn by very rich merchants or as courtgear for the more = well-to-do aristocracy. As far as I could make out the small pattern used in the = cottes in the photograph; this does not look much like the usually bigger = patterns of both examples I mention above.
 
    AND, I went to your website, but couldn't find = the link to the English page.  What I saw looked great, but I wish I = could             =     understand it.  How do I get to the English?
 
At the top of the Dutch homepage / indexpage is an English = sentence which says: To read and view our pages = in English, click HERE
So that's basically what you have to do. I just tried it again = and it works alright for me.
 
Hope this helps,
 
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very = own domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_014F_01C1A80C.048FEE60-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 13:06:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14032 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:06:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SIgfF24069; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:42:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SIg1T25481; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SIfVT25186 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:41:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15719 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:42:08 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown In-Reply-To: <009f01c1a81f$bf435cc0$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:42:06 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > Looks good, wonderful photograph. BUT....where are the headcoverings??? > Everybody in the 14th c wore something on their head, especially the ladies. > Men had at least a coif or hood if it was colder and endless ways of draping > the latter about the head. I've often seen this in Americans; they don't > want to wear hats or veils because they don't in their own 'mundane' life as > well (except for baseball caps). Why is that? I noticed that, too, Henk. I looked through the whole picture gallery, and, for the most part, they look like -- modern people wearing Halloween costumes. Modern hairstyles, modern makeup, modern underpinnings... it's like watching a '50s Hollywood costume drama and noticing the dated hairstyles :) Maybe people get entrenched in a way of looking at themselves, and resist wearing headgear and leaving off / changing their makeup because it's so much part of them that they don't "see" the difference between their look and what you actually see in period artwork. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 13:27:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14227 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:27:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SJ3eF26532; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:03:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SJ31T07134; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SJ2VT06822 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:02:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.70]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020128190308.LQUA658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:03:08 -0600 Message-ID: <3C55A01B.7080106@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:01:47 -0600 Status: RO Okay so who had toes like this... Second toe longer then big toe.. (take her sock off and puts her foot on the floor, then notices the large gap between her big toe and second toe. "Chimp" pops in her head....puts her sock back on and shuts up) aleed wrote: >>From what I recall, the anglo-saxons had toes that went straight across > while the celts had a long big toe and the rest of the toes tapered more > sharply from there. > > Drea > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 13:30:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14259 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:30:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SJ6gF26958; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:06:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SJ61T08949; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (dsl092-160-084.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.160.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SJ5AT08468 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:05:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from gideonfamily.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5CD7F78 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:05:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C55A107.D8849CB8@gideonfamily.org> From: Andrea Gideon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ED3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <003701c1a54a$a15bde80$6401a8c0@home.com> <012801c1a7ed$18d3b560$32eaf1c3@henk> <3C554BCE.26E5BEDC@gideonfamily.org> <015201c1a829$67f94740$32eaf1c3@henk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:05:43 -0500 Status: RO _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 13:49:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14471 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:49:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SJPeF28877; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:25:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SJP0T19377; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SJOrT19316 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:24:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020128192525.HIPK10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:25:25 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c56a446.39680958@mail.attbi.com> References: <3C55A01B.7080106@tds.net> In-Reply-To: <3C55A01B.7080106@tds.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0SJOrT19316 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:25:27 GMT Status: RO On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:01:47 -0600, the following was written in this electric book by Katie : >Okay so who had toes like this... >Second toe longer then big toe.. Toefingers! I have them too. Very useful when picking up pencils nad other things off the floor. >(take her sock off and puts her foot on the floor, then >notices the large gap between her big toe and second toe. >"Chimp" pops in her head....puts her sock back on and >shuts up) In my family, we call these 'piano-player's feet', and most of us hve them. Hmm. I'm (traceably) German, French, Irish (apparently 'Viking irish' according to etymolygy of names), Welsh, English, Iriquois and some other things on my father's side that we haven't tracked down yet. Perhaps its a mutt thing? Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 14:13:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14698 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:13:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SJneF01698; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:49:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SJn1T03002; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SJmiT02851 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:48:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.70]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020128194919.MZWR658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:49:19 -0600 Message-ID: <3C55AAEE.6020502@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study References: <3C55A01B.7080106@tds.net> <3c56a446.39680958@mail.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:47:58 -0600 Status: RO chimericalgirl@attbi.com wrote: > > Toefingers! I have them too. Very useful when picking up pencils nad > other things off the floor. > Don't forget pinching!! *L* > > > In my family, we call these 'piano-player's feet', and most of us hve > them. > > Hmm. I'm (traceably) German, French, Irish (apparently 'Viking irish' > according to etymolygy of names), Welsh, English, Iriquois and some > other things on my father's side that we haven't tracked down yet. > Well I was adopted, and my parents have been little to no help in at least giving me a medical history for my biological parents. From my mother I get "Why do you want to know? You never loved us anyway." *deep sigh* Such a drama queen. My dad, all he will tell me is that my biological mother was having an affair with a married man, and he never met her. My sister says she remembers a social worker coming to the house before I showed up. I found a case number for my adoption years back, but it is no good to me cause Texas says I can't even look at my own records. Soooo here I sit, ancestrally depreived. *L* > Perhaps its a mutt thing? > > Maura > ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- > "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either > hand..." - the Flash Girls > }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 14:16:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14726 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:16:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SJqgF01993; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:52:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SJq0T04685; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20403.mail.yahoo.com (web20403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0SJpmT04605 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:51:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020128195207.90416.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:52:07 PST From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C559589.5060105@tds.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] What's she got on her head? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:52:07 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I am making good enough progress on my take on the Shinrone Gown (late 16th century Irish) that I think I might be able to wear it within the next couple of weeks. So now I am considering what to do with my hair. I would like to copy the style of a woman pictured on this page: http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/oneills/clothing.html In the picture directly under the heading "Women" the one on the right (in the blue dress) has braids wrapping across the top of her head, with some sort of circlet on top. What is that, exactly? Is it metal? Leather? Braided trim? Something else entirely? What are the little white dots made of? (For those of you who have Dunlevy's book "Dress in Ireland" there's a nice full-page color print of this picture in there.) Incidentally, when I was looking for a nice on-line copy of this picture, I ran across this page: http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~wew/celt-clothing/ which has the same picture, in a grainy, black-and-white version, but it does not identify the picture. What is this? Is this the original, that someone has cleaned up and colored in to result in the first one, or is this a poor-quality copy of the original color picture? Or is one a redrawing of the other? So many questions.... Thanks as usual in advance for all your helpful insights. -Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 14:28:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14818 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:27:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SK3nF03356; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:03:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SK35T10821; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:03:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20402.mail.yahoo.com (web20402.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.121]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0SK2QT10428 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:02:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020128200254.29227.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:02:54 PST From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3c56a446.39680958@mail.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] OT: Foot shape/toes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:02:54 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I recall from my Genetics class in high school that in terms of toe length, the allele ("version" of a gene) for second toe longer than big toe is dominant. (So if your mom gives you the allele for big toe longest, and your dad gives you the allele for second toe longest, you will grow up with second toe longest.) So, as backgrounds mix, more and more people will assumedly be born with, what do you call them, toefingers. -Angela --- chimericalgirl@attbi.com wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:01:47 -0600, the following > was written in this > electric book by Katie : > > >Okay so who had toes like this... > >Second toe longer then big toe.. > > Toefingers! I have them too. Very useful when > picking up pencils nad > other things off the floor. > > > Perhaps its a mutt thing? > > Maura __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 14:31:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14847 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:31:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SK71F03747; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SK6LT12662; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:06:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from BYHU.star2.net (smtp.star2.net [65.89.75.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SK4ET11482 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:04:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from bently (unverified [64.24.187.112]) by BYHU.star2.net (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.200) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:55:01 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c1a838$98d64a20$70bb1840@bently> From: "David Dotson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:15:55 -0800 Status: RO > >From what I recall, the anglo-saxons had toes that went straight across > while the celts had a long big toe and the rest of the toes tapered more > sharply from there. My first four toes (including the big one) are all straight across, and then my little one is where it would be if they all were tapered...and I have no Anglo-Saxon *or* Celtic blood in me! I come from a long line of Eastern European Jews! How would this mess up the study? Pam Dotson Everett, WA USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 14:53:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15037 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:53:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SKSjF06076; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:28:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SKS6T24731; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:28:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SKRRT24420 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:27:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.70]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020128202802.JNHH759.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:28:02 -0600 Message-ID: <3C55B402.6040603@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's she got on her head? References: <20020128195207.90416.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:26:42 -0600 Status: RO On the page for head gear, it said that the young ladies wore ribbon wrapped around their heads... "They maydes weare on the forepart of their head about foure yards of coloured ribbon smoothly layd, and theyre owne hayre playted behind." I would guess the dots are "artistic license", when the artist painted something was needed to "dress it up". *g* Heck I don't know, why do I take up bandwith on stuff like this? *L* Katie Angela Kovatch wrote: > I am making good enough progress on my take on the > Shinrone Gown (late 16th century Irish) that I think I > might be able to wear it within the next couple of > weeks. So now I am considering what to do with my > hair. I would like to copy the style of a woman > pictured on this page: > > http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/oneills/clothing.html > > In the picture directly under the heading "Women" the > one on the right (in the blue dress) has braids > wrapping across the top of her head, with some sort of > circlet on top. What is that, exactly? Is it metal? > Leather? Braided trim? Something else entirely? > What are the little white dots made of? > > (For those of you who have Dunlevy's book "Dress in > Ireland" there's a nice full-page color print of this > picture in there.) > > Incidentally, when I was looking for a nice on-line > copy of this picture, I ran across this page: > > http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~wew/celt-clothing/ > > which has the same picture, in a grainy, > black-and-white version, but it does not identify the > picture. What is this? Is this the original, that > someone has cleaned up and colored in to result in the > first one, or is this a poor-quality copy of the > original color picture? Or is one a redrawing of the > other? > > So many questions.... Thanks as usual in advance for > all your helpful insights. > > -Angela > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 15:14:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15218 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:14:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SKoeF08543; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:50:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SKo0T07402; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SKnKT07045 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:49:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09718 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:49:58 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study In-Reply-To: <3C55A01B.7080106@tds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:49:57 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Um, well, my third toe is longer than either the big toe or the second one... tell me that isn't a bit odd! -- Mara On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Katie wrote: > Okay so who had toes like this... > Second toe longer then big toe.. > (take her sock off and puts her foot on the floor, then > notices the large gap between her big toe and second toe. > "Chimp" pops in her head....puts her sock back on and > shuts up) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 15:25:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15288 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:25:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SL0fF09649; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:00:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SL01T12958; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SKx8T12374 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:59:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16VIsT-000I7n-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:59:45 +0000 Message-ID: <4Hf8ExBooaV8Iwf9@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:44:40 +0000 Status: RO Cor! So ballet dancers have to be primarily anglo-saxon, because you need toes roughly the same length to do pointe work successfully. But ... my mother is Scottish, and my father is from Yorkshire, and my feet are definitely Celtic style, but they're inherited from my father...? Probably not a very useful method for divining the race of your ancestors, then :-) Jean aleed wrote > >From what I recall, the anglo-saxons had toes that went straight across >while the celts had a long big toe and the rest of the toes tapered more >sharply from there. > >Drea > > On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Parsla Liepa wrote: > >> >> I asked about this on another list that I'm that is full of people who make >> shoes and tend to be interested in trivia such as this.... >> >> No body remembers any details other than there was a television program a >> while back (months? years? unknown)that said that at the time it was a >> breakthrough discovery, because it was a -physical- method for archeologists >> to differentiate if a grave was Saxon vs Celtic during certain time periods >> where the two overlapped geographically. The original foot difference >> discovery was made by a podiatrist turned amateur archeologist. I believe, >> but am not positive, that the >> difference had to do with length to width ratio of the foot. >> >> >> Parsla >> >> > >Gawd, what would that about those of us who have a sort of >> > >generic-mongrel-Heinz57-british-isles type of ethnic background....? >> > >Sue, WASP-ish far enough back to wear yellow and black stripes...;-P >> > >> >Beats the heck out of me, since I fall in that category, too :D I think >> >the study was done in England, in areas where the population base isn't so >> >mixed as it is in the States. >> > >> >-- Mara >> > >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >> http://www.hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 15:45:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15438 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:45:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SLHfF11576; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:17:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SLH1T22468; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SLGlT22326 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:16:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from [128.32.6.85] (doeadpub280.Lib.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.6.85]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0SLHPx01289 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:17:25 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020128200254.29227.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020128200254.29227.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Foot shape/toes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:59:19 -0800 Status: RO At 12:02 PM -0800 1/28/02, Angela Kovatch wrote: >I recall from my Genetics class in high school that in >terms of toe length, the allele ("version" of a gene) >for second toe longer than big toe is dominant. (So if >your mom gives you the allele for big toe longest, and >your dad gives you the allele for second toe longest, >you will grow up with second toe longest.) So, as >backgrounds mix, more and more people will assumedly >be born with, what do you call them, toefingers. I have the second toe longer than the big toe on one foot, and shorter on the other -- a triumph of nurture over nature, since it's the result of one of them being broken a time or two (but now I can't remember which was broken and whether it made the toe longer or shorter!). Otherwise I'm one of those "cut straight across" types, and boy was I happy when the shoe industry decided that it was ok for women with my type of feet to wear girls' shoes. -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 15:49:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15517 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:49:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SLOxF12405; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:24:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SLOJT26762; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:24:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from ws2-2.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-72.outblaze.com [205.158.62.72]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0SLLfT25191 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:21:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 67380 invoked by uid 1001); 28 Jan 2002 21:22:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20020128212214.67379.qmail@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [156.41.168.26] by ws2-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for lithiate@earthlink.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:22:14 +0800 From: " Sarah Goodman" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown X-Originating-Ip: 156.41.168.26 X-Originating-Server: ws2-2.us4.outblaze.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:22:14 +0800 Status: RO Okay, in all fairness, we're talking about the people in my kingdom here (the picture page was for the SCA West Kingdom's 12th Night, which, unfortunately, I missed, but rest assured, had I gone, I would have worn appropriate headgear *laugh*). BUT... I do have to agree 100% as this is one of my biggest peeves. Headcovering is so rare to find at events, but what irks me more than even that, are women who insist upon wearing their 16th c. French Hoods like modern alice bands, with their bangs hanging out front. Grrrr. It just looks... tacky. Another one is wearing crowns over hairsprayed hairdos... ::sigh:: Sarah Lorraine who purposefully grew her bangs out and won't cut her hair because it's not "period". I know, I'm a geek. ;) -----Original Message----- From: Kevin & Mara Riley Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:42:06 -0500 (EST) To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown > > Looks good, wonderful photograph. BUT....where are the headcoverings??? > > Everybody in the 14th c wore something on their head, especially the ladies. > > Men had at least a coif or hood if it was colder and endless ways of draping > > the latter about the head. I've often seen this in Americans; they don't > > want to wear hats or veils because they don't in their own 'mundane' life as > > well (except for baseball caps). Why is that? > > I noticed that, too, Henk. I looked through the whole picture gallery, > and, for the most part, they look like -- modern people wearing Halloween > costumes. Modern hairstyles, modern makeup, modern underpinnings... it's > like watching a '50s Hollywood costume drama and noticing the dated > hairstyles :) > > Maybe people get entrenched in a way of looking at themselves, and resist > wearing headgear and leaving off / changing their makeup because it's so > much part of them that they don't "see" the difference between their look > and what you actually see in period artwork. > > -- Mara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 16:24:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16109 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:24:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SM0fF17783; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:00:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SM00T18388; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SLxnT18295 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:59:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.70]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020128220026.RAGD658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:00:26 -0600 Message-ID: <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown References: <20020128212214.67379.qmail@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:59:06 -0600 Status: RO I am confused wasn't head coverings mostly for married women, and unmairred women were able to wear their hair down no covering on their heads? I might be wrong but I think that is what I have read. Mundanely I am a married woman, but my persona is unmarried. Seeing as Society is not a rolplaying game my persona will forever more be single, so I should be able to wear my hair down and my head uncovered. Correct? Sarah Goodman wrote: > Okay, in all fairness, we're talking about the people in my kingdom here (the picture page was for the SCA West Kingdom's 12th Night, which, unfortunately, I missed, but rest assured, had I gone, I would have worn appropriate headgear *laugh*). BUT... I do have to agree 100% as this is one of my biggest peeves. Headcovering is so rare to find at events, but what irks me more than even that, are women who insist upon wearing their 16th c. French Hoods like modern alice bands, with their bangs hanging out front. Grrrr. It just looks... tacky. Another one is wearing crowns over hairsprayed hairdos... ::sigh:: > > Sarah Lorraine > who purposefully grew her bangs out and won't cut her hair because it's not "period". I know, I'm a geek. ;) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 17:21:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16759 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:21:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SMvmF25391; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:57:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SMv6T23524; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:57:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from equinox.unr.edu (equinox.unr.edu [134.197.1.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SMumT23320 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:56:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from dfenwicklaptop (dan-test-station.ed.unr.edu [134.197.92.215]) by equinox.unr.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g0SN0U717385 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:00:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <024301c1a84f$2e76b9a0$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> From: "Daniel Fenwick" To: References: <20020128212214.67379.qmail@earthlink.net> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:57:37 -0800 Status: RO > I am confused wasn't head coverings mostly for married women, > and unmairred women were able to wear their hair down no covering > on their heads? I might be wrong but I think that is what > I have read. Mundanely I am a married woman, but my persona is > unmarried. Seeing as Society is not a rolplaying game my persona > will forever more be single, so I should be able to wear my hair > down and my head uncovered. Correct? That depends on the time and place. In this case, there are many examples showing men and women wearing some kind of head covering. there are also many examples showing bare heads. Take a look through Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince. You should be able to find examples of both just in the 40 years or so the book covers. Dan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 17:40:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16829 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:40:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SNEeF27759; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:14:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SNE1T04101; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f185.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.185]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SNDOT03753 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:13:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:13:57 -0800 Received: from 66.72.178.91 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:13:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.72.178.91] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2002 23:13:57.0948 (UTC) FILETIME=[76A5CFC0:01C1A851] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:13:57 -0500 Status: RO > >My first four toes (including the big one) are all straight across, and >then >my little one is where it would be if they all were tapered...and I have no >Anglo-Saxon *or* Celtic blood in me! I come from a long line of Eastern >European Jews! > >How would this mess up the study? > > I'm the same way -- middle toes all the same length, and all roughly the same length as the big toe. Pinky toe is tiny, with a nail barely big enough to bother putting polish on. And I'm a thoroughbred Latvian, as best as we can tell. (Great grandfather may have been Lithuanian, but we're not sure. Don't know any surnames that far back) Parsla _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 17:42:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16852 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:42:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SNIfF28353; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:18:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SNI0T06355; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SNH1T05757 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B8A63A805B for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:18:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <019f01c1a85a$6f8fc2a0$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: <3C55A01B.7080106@tds.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:18:11 -0600 Status: RO Me and my whole family. Care for a banana? Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study > Okay so who had toes like this... > Second toe longer then big toe.. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 18:02:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16937 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:02:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0SNceF01242; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:38:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SNc0T17339; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0SNb3T16837 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:37:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 82559 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jan 2002 23:37:29 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-62.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.62) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2002 23:37:29 -0000 Message-ID: <003501c1a84b$1f0f6240$638afea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: <3C4AF994.FE9093A4@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Anyone on the list do Janet Arnold-style grid patterns? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:28:31 -0500 Status: RO If this is something you do, please contact me off-list. I need a professional for a job this year -- someone who can study some original garments and "translate" them into gridded patterns for a book. Thanks! Jennie Chancey - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 18:24:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17126 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:24:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0T00hF03795; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:00:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T002T28610; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (2xtreme.net [209.63.222.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0SNxdT28412 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:59:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20175 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2002 00:00:16 -0000 Received: from 66-81-65-47-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.65.47) by 2xtreme.net with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 00:00:16 -0000 Message-ID: <3C568E7F.FE50F166@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <3C4AF994.FE9093A4@lavoltapress.com> <003501c1a84b$1f0f6240$638afea9@jchancey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Anyone on the list do Janet Arnold-style grid patterns? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 03:58:55 -0800 Status: RO Hello I saw your note on H-costume. I have a back ground in both Drafting, and a degree in costume design and pattern drafting. I have on a number of occasions created patterns using original garments and the made a gridded pattern. Also seeing I am staying home with my son, I have the time to spend on the work. Please feel free to call me at 916-492-2731. Yours Stephen Bergdahl Jennie Chancey wrote: > > If this is something you do, please contact me off-list. I need a > professional for a job this year -- someone who can study some original > garments and "translate" them into gridded patterns for a book. > > Thanks! > Jennie Chancey > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns > http://www.sensibility.com > winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 19:52:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17842 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:52:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0T1IAF11525; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:18:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T1H1T29248; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T1GrT29201 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:16:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip67.vanc7.pacifier.com [66.43.2.67]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0T1F3X02138 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:16:00 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown Message-ID: <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:21:13 -0800 Status: RO > I am confused wasn't head coverings mostly for married women, > and unmairred women were able to wear their hair down no covering > on their heads? I might be wrong but I think that is what > I have read. Mundanely I am a married woman, but my persona is > unmarried. Seeing as Society is not a rolplaying game my persona > will forever more be single, so I should be able to wear my hair > down and my head uncovered. Correct? In most periods where hair was covered for marrieds and uncovered for unmarrieds, a time would come (based on chronologic age, not mental age or wishful thinking) when the unmarrieds would still start covering the head. If you were of an age (which varies considerably between times and places in medieval and early modern Europe) to be married but weren't, you would *still* wear a head covering. (It survived through many time periods to the point where in Victorian times they talk about "putting on caps".) It was even something carried on into the 20th Century in the form of wearing hats or some sort of head covering in church (especially in the Catholic church.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 20:28:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18063 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:28:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0T1ruF14623; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:54:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T1r0T11855; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T1q0T11359 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05546 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:08:49 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown In-Reply-To: <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:08:49 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Katie wrote: > I am confused wasn't head coverings mostly for married women, > and unmairred women were able to wear their hair down no covering > on their heads? I might be wrong but I think that is what > I have read. That's an overgeneralization, unfortunately common in bad reference books. It's fair to say that in much of the Middle Ages, and in many parts of Europe, if hair could be shown acceptably at all, it would most likely be on (1) virginal girls, (2) queens, and (3) brides (an extension of both (1) and (2)). Hair shown in other than the accepted contexts might denote wantonness, mental illness, or extreme distress (e.g. my house is on fire and I am running into the street with my hair unbound). However, there was no hard and fast rule that applies throughout the medieval period and in all of Europe. Practice varied by place and time, and the variations are many. For instance, there were some places/times in which married women could have hair showing (but still were expected to have some ornamentation on the head, or some way of restraining the hair). There were some places/times in which unmarried women were still expected to bind or cover the hair, but perhaps in a different manner than married women. Hairstyle is probably the element of dress that is most variable by region and year. You'll see many such variations just in the time consistent with the fitted dress of the sort that prompted this thread. If you want to document the hair display of your persona, you'd be best off studying the art and other materials from your persona's specific place and time, and making sure your hair choice matches your clothing choice. Bear in mind also that "unmarried women" is an awfully broad phrase, and not really applicable in a medieval context the same way it is today, when women's roles, lifespan, and expectations of marriage/childbearing are very different. In many medieval time/place contexts, age was as much a factor as marital status; women were expected to cover the hair after a certain age whether they were married or not. Many women who remained unmarried entered religious orders -- and there's a reason we say "took the veil" to describe that action. Women who chose to remain single (eventually called spinsters in English, because so many unmarried women were able to support themselves by fiber production) might assume hair coverings to signify their independent economic status (as opposed to a virgin still living under her father's support, waiting to be married off). In such a context, it would be inappropriate to wear unbound/uncovered hair with a costume style of a place/time in which such rules applied, even if your persona is unmarried. It would be equivalent to a woman of 40 today wearing a Britney Spears outfit. Even if she has the figure for it, you would instantly recognize it as inappropriate or tacky. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 21:03:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18487 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:03:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0T2SuF17156; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:29:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T2S0T24750; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T2RDT24530 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:27:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0T2N1A09128 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:23:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007701c1a86d$4c330c00$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: <20020128212214.67379.qmail@earthlink.net> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:33:05 -0500 Status: RO Greetings-- > I am confused wasn't head coverings mostly for married women, > and unmairred women were able to wear their hair down no covering > on their heads? I might be wrong but I think that is what > I have read. Mundanely I am a married woman, but my persona is > unmarried. Seeing as Society is not a rolplaying game my persona > will forever more be single, so I should be able to wear my hair > down and my head uncovered. Correct? Yes and no. Headgear wasn't just something to distinguish the married from the unmarried, it was part of the whole fashionable ensemble, and for the lower classes, also served a functional purpose of keeping the head cool, absorbing sweat, keeping the hair out of the eyes, etc. Headgear makes the outfit, and I am a firm believer that hats are fun. (There are periods where less headgear is common, but the hair is usually dressed in those periods). Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 21:20:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18610 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:20:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0T2jvF18099; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:46:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T2j1T29884; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T2iLT29698 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:44:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-23-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.23]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0T2j0071132 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:45:00 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c1a86f$aed4c360$17882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:50:15 -0500 Status: RO Hmmm, 4 children....homeschooling.....sewing for 6.....local Herald.....scout and cub scout mom....yup! I qualify for a bare head under mental illness! ;-} Moira 2)). Hair shown in other than the accepted contexts might denote > wantonness, mental illness, or extreme distress (e.g. my house is on fire > and I am running into the street with my hair unbound). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 22:17:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19041 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:17:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0T3h4F21846; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:43:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T3g1T16499; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web11704.mail.yahoo.com (web11704.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.70]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0T3fQT16254 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:41:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020129034206.77169.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.26.47.41] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:42:06 PST From: carol Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone on the list do Janet Arnold-style grid patterns? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C568E7F.FE50F166@2xtreme.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:42:06 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Hello Stephen Any advice on how to modify those JA patterns for a larger size ? thanks Carol ===== ....you cease to mourn the morning when you celebrate the night ..... "The night summons like an unquenched love, beckoning with the promise of dark desires." "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in to it" ... Oscar Wilde __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 22:49:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19234 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:49:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0T4ExF24108; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:15:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T4E1T25186; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T4DET24986 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:13:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust109.tnt5.nyc9.da.uu.net ([67.192.228.109] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16VPea-00006C-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:13:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3C55BD85.30403@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study References: <3C55A01B.7080106@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:07:17 -0500 Status: RO Well, my mom did... *G* (Um, that would be Celt or Scandinavian...) Prehensile toe, too! Which can be quite handy. I have 4 toes all the same length, then this poor little smidge of a little toe. Buying shoes is fun... Katie wrote: > Okay so who had toes like this... > Second toe longer then big toe.. > (take her sock off and puts her foot on the floor, then > notices the large gap between her big toe and second toe. > "Chimp" pops in her head....puts her sock back on and > shuts up) > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 28 23:49:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19642 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:49:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0T5EwF27516; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:15:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T5E1T11307; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T5DTT11165 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:13:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip73.vanc7.pacifier.com [66.43.2.73]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0T5DCe09281 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:13:12 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown Message-ID: <3C55C075.15175.5D043BF@localhost> Priority: normal References: <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:19:49 -0800 Status: RO > In such a context, it would be inappropriate to wear unbound/uncovered > hair with a costume style of a place/time in which such rules applied, > even if your persona is unmarried. It would be equivalent to a woman of 40 > today wearing a Britney Spears outfit. Even if she has the figure for it, > you would instantly recognize it as inappropriate or tacky. What! You mean I can't wear those outfits?! Are you saying I'd look like "mutton dressed up as lamb"? ;) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 01:56:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20427 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:56:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0T7ViF03510; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:31:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T7V0T14997; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T7UBT14833 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:30:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-80-116.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.80.116]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADB02222; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:30:47 GMT Message-ID: <00e701c1a897$7b4f30c0$74504ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <20020129034206.77169.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone on the list do Janet Arnold-style grid patterns? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:35:09 -0000 Status: RO Try getting CPM drafting software you can trace them in & adjust to any size Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 02:09:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22508 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:09:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0T7jjF03922; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:45:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T7j2T18330; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from marvin.nildram.co.uk (marvin.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0T7ieT18253 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:44:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 26563 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2002 07:45:20 -0000 Received: from 195-149-37-121.dial.nildram.co.uk (HELO x5d9i6) (195.149.37.121) by marvin.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 07:45:20 -0000 Message-ID: <002501c1a898$e0f17360$792595c3@x5d9i6> From: "Linda Walton" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Foot shape/toes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:45:09 -0000 Status: RO The programme which mentioned this study was an episode of "Time Team", shown in the U.K. at least a couple of years ago I think. It shows the work of professional archaeologists. The lady concerned, (I wish I could remember her name), had been a chiropodist, I think, and had pointed out a major difference between Norman and Anglo-Saxon feet. This concerned the structure under the instep, where it was made narrower and higher or broader and flatter by a tendon, (or something), which seemed to pass diagonally across the tarsal bones. The two different sorts could be detected in the bones found in burials, as well as in illustrations of the time. The Normans have longer, pointed feet and seem to stand 'higher', the English are more 'down to earth'. Celtic feet were not mentioned at all. I have a distant memory of reading a report from an archaeological magazine, but regret I can't be of any further help in finding it. Linda Walton. High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 02:23:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22612 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:23:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0T7xiF04343; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:59:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T7x1T21585; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20709.mail.yahoo.com (web20709.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.182]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0T7w7T21329 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:58:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020129075847.42733.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web20709.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:58:47 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3c56a446.39680958@mail.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:58:47 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO --- chimericalgirl@attbi.com wrote: > >Perhaps its a mutt thing? > Not necessarily, this foot arrangement runs in my family and we are Irish, English and Scottish, although not much of the English once you back 100 years or so. However my partner who's genetic origins are Orkadian Viking does not. Make of that what you will. Rachel UK. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 02:25:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22647 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:25:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0T81gF04419; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:01:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T810T22063; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0T809T21880 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:00:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-114.frys.com [66.121.20.114]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0T80lg11917 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:00:47 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020128235449.00d7d100@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] period sewing baskets - contents? In-Reply-To: <3C559589.5060105@tds.net> References: <20020128081929.70812.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:55:48 -0800 Status: RO Thanx for the tip. In 1883, in Montana, my grandmother was 3 years old, and my grandfather was still a cowboy. I'll HAVE to catch this one. >There is simular show airing April 29, 2002, called "The >Frontier House" set in 1883 Montana. > >http://www.pbs.org/wnet/frontierhouse/ > >Katie > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 06:54:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA25111 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 06:54:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TCUnF12559; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:30:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TCU1T05889; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f193.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.193]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TCToT05843 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:29:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:30:26 -0800 Received: from 63.12.14.5 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:30:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.12.14.5] From: "Rebecca Anderson" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 12:30:26.0372 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAC4A040:01C1A8C0] Subject: [h-cost] Head-coverings Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:00:26 +1030 Status: RO



I agree

"Headcovering is so rare to find at events, but what irks me more than even that,
are women who insist upon wearing their 16th c. French Hoods like modern alice
bands, with their bangs hanging out front.  Grrrr.  It just looks... tacky.
Another one is wearing crowns over hairsprayed hairdos... ::sigh::"

But what i would realy like to know is how to construct a proper french hood i haven't been able to find any information on this topic, anywhere.

 

P.S. where did this US  term "bangs" come from? I believe what you are refering to is kown as a fringe here in Australia.

"Sarah Lorraine who purposefully grew her bangs out and won't cut her hair because it's not
"period".  I know, I'm a geek. ;)"

Rebecca Anderson

aka

Lady Adele Anders


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_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 07:03:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA25179 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:03:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TCdhF12961; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:39:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TCd0T07785; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (dsl092-160-084.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.160.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TCcYT07701 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:38:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from gideonfamily.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812837F78 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:39:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C5697EE.C4734AE7@gideonfamily.org> From: Andrea Gideon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:39:10 -0500 Status: RO > > > P.S. where did this US term "bangs" come from? I believe what you are > refering to is kown as a fringe here in Australia. > > Rebecca Anderson > > aka > > Lady Adele Anders > As a mundane hairdresser in the US, I can't tell you where the term bangs came from, but all our training books and in any industry shows, magazine, seminars, ect, professionals use the term "fringe". Andrea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 07:16:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26189 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:16:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TCqiF13466; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:52:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TCq1T10641; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20306.mail.yahoo.com (web20306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0TCplT10570 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:51:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020129125228.65926.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.95.150] by web20306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:52:28 PST From: Joan Garner To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C5697EE.C4734AE7@gideonfamily.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:52:28 -0800 (PST) Status: RO After a disastrous (& final) attempt to trim my bangs myself, the next day a colleague from Ireland kept telling me "Your fringes are all wonky." It took me most of the morning to realize she was pointing out that my bangs were crooked! and no, I have _no_ idea why we call them bangs. Penny, are you there???? Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" --- Andrea Gideon wrote: > > > > > > P.S. where did this US term "bangs" come from? I > believe what you are > > refering to is kown as a fringe here in Australia. > > > > Rebecca Anderson > > > > aka > > > > Lady Adele Anders > > > As a mundane hairdresser in the US, I can't tell you > where the term > bangs came from, but all our training books and in > any industry shows, > magazine, seminars, ect, professionals use the term > "fringe". > > Andrea > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 08:00:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25158 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:00:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TDakF15247; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 06:36:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TDa1T20386; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 06:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from munich.ixos.de (HOST.31.95.ixos.de [149.235.31.95]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TDZqT20355 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 06:35:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from muc01908 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by munich.ixos.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22256 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:19:44 GMT Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20020129143541.00a435b0@pop.gmx.de> X-Sender: costume@gmx.li@pop.gmx.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Amalie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings In-Reply-To: <3C5697EE.C4734AE7@gideonfamily.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_105661171==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:36:30 +0100 Status: RO --=====================_105661171==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 13:39 29.01.2002 , you wrote: > > > > > > P.S. where did this US term "bangs" come from? I believe what you are > > refering to is kown as a fringe here in Australia. merriam-webster online is a valuable tool. :) http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary Main Entry: bang Function: noun Etymology: probably short for bangtail (short tail) Date: 1878 : a fringe of banged hair -- usually used in plural ciao, alexa Yours, etc, Elisabeth Amalie Gr=E4fin von Haimhausen also known outside the 18th century as His Excellency, etc, the Minister of Silly Walks (Mrs) http://www.marquise.de costume@gmx.li --=====================_105661171==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 13:39 29.01.2002 , you wrote:
>
>
> P.S. where did this US  term "bangs" come from? I believe what you are
> refering to is kown as a fringe here in Australia.

merriam-webster online is a valuable tool. :)
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

Main Entry:     bang
Function:       noun
Etymology:      probably short for bangtail (short tail)
Date:   1878
: a fringe of banged hair -- usually used in plural

ciao,
alexa


Yours, etc, Elisabeth Amalie Gr=E4fin von Haimhausen
also known outside the 18th century  as
His Excellency, etc, the Minister of Silly Walks (Mrs)
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Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> joan_the_harpist1119@yahoo.com 01/29/02 12:52pm >>> After a disastrous (& final) attempt to trim my bangs myself, the next day a colleague from Ireland kept telling me "Your fringes are all wonky." It took me most of the morning to realize she was pointing out that my bangs were crooked! and no, I have _no_ idea why we call them bangs. Penny, are you there???? Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" --- Andrea Gideon wrote: > > > > > > P.S. where did this US term "bangs" come from? I > believe what you are > > refering to is kown as a fringe here in Australia. > > > > Rebecca Anderson > > > > aka > > > > Lady Adele Anders > > > As a mundane hairdresser in the US, I can't tell you > where the term > bangs came from, but all our training books and in > any industry shows, > magazine, seminars, ect, professionals use the term > "fringe". > > Andrea > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! 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To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <44.1a212139.29880a5f@aol.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:23:27 EST Status: RO > Hello Stephen > Any advice on how to modify those JA patterns for a > larger size ? > thanks > Carol If you put them on overheads and then blow them up to the right width, it works pretty well. (Tape paper to wall, trace projection at right width). I had some finagling to do with the height, but otherwise, the pattern was fine. --Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 08:58:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25625 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:58:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TEXhF18398; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:33:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TEX0T07660; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TEW1T07037 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10177 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown In-Reply-To: <3C55C075.15175.5D043BF@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:32:42 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > even if your persona is unmarried. It would be equivalent to a woman of 40 > > today wearing a Britney Spears outfit. Even if she has the figure for it, > > you would instantly recognize it as inappropriate or tacky. There's a woman in the HOG (Harley Owner's Group) chapter my hubby and I used to belong to. She was a biker chick back in the late '60s -- and hasn't changed her look since, I swear. Tight pants, cropped tops, spike heels, and skin that's tanned so much that it looks like a leather saddle. Well, Amy's a character, and nobody's gonna tell her that she looks, well, like a 60-year-old trying to be 15 again. Hell, she can still kick-start her panhead... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 09:47:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26467 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:47:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TFNiF22413; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:23:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TFN0T27208; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TFMpT27136 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:22:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m66.in-tch.com [216.166.191.66]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0TFC2T29039 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:12:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C56BF35.E224E884@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:26:45 -0700 Status: RO Try some of the links on this site.... --Sue http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/general.html Rebecca Anderson wrote: > > But what i would realy like to know is how to construct a proper > french hood i haven't been able to find any information on this topic, > anywhere. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 09:58:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26535 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:58:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TFYjF23487; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:34:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TFY1T02546; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from BYHU.star2.net (star2.net [65.89.75.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TFX5T02059 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:33:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from bently (unverified [64.24.214.178]) by BYHU.star2.net (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.200) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:23:56 -0500 Message-ID: <00d901c1a8da$a03be020$b2d61840@bently> From: "David Dotson" To: References: <3C55A01B.7080106@tds.net> <3C55BD85.30403@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:35:46 -0800 Status: RO > I have 4 toes all the same length, then this poor little smidge of a > little toe. Buying shoes is fun... > Buying shoes is the bane of my existence! Have you found any types that actually fit feet like ours? Pam Dotson Everett, WA USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 10:51:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27039 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:51:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TGQjF29121; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:26:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TGQ1T28700; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20302.mail.yahoo.com (web20302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.83]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0TGPoT28575 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:25:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020129162618.87821.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:26:18 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:26:18 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Rebecca Anderson wrote: but what irks me more than even that,
are women who insist upon wearing their 16th c. French Hoods like modern alice
bands, with their bangs hanging out front.  Grrrr.  It just looks... tacky.
Another one is wearing crowns over hairsprayed hairdos... ::sigh May I add another "early fashion don't" -- an otherwise impeccably period look ruined (in my opinion) with High-Goth-Club-Rat jewelry. Iohanna the Harper (who is much kind after her decidedly non-period coffee) [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 11:20:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27329 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:20:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TGunF02881; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:56:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TGu2T15656; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TGthT15459 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:55:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip207.vanc10.pacifier.com [66.43.2.207]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0TGtde14196 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:55:39 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study Message-ID: <3C56650B.11630.8534507@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <00d901c1a8da$a03be020$b2d61840@bently> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:02:03 -0800 Status: RO > > I have 4 toes all the same length, then this poor little smidge of a > > little toe. Buying shoes is fun... > > > Buying shoes is the bane of my existence! Have you found any types that > actually fit feet like ours? Tudor era shoes? Every once in a while I come across a pair of shoes (in the stores, not hand made) which are square and wide across the front. They look for all the world like early Tudor shoes. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 11:41:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27441 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:41:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0THGjF05492; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:16:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0THG1T27662; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us [192.154.67.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0SEYOT04831 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:34:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [198.86.80.179] ([198.86.80.179]) by cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (Mail-Gear 2.0.0) with SMTP id M2002012809350004647 ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:35:01 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 From: Grace Morris To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c1a801$b4383260$0101a8c0@pavilion> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Hosen problems Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:34:59 -0500 Status: RO For the Laurelling of Thomas Longshanks, Mistress Aelfwyn (his lady) and I recreated one of the plaid parti-colored tunics/cotehardies from Cataluna. I did the tunic, and I'll try to get a picture in the files soon. Aelfwyn made the hose, the shirt, and now, the hood. And Master Finnr did the shoes, belt and pouch. Now the refining has started, and she has some questions as to the placement of the ties on the underbreeches, and some problems with stress points. I'm passing this on to you, in the hopes that those of you who are experienced with hosen can help. Jessamyn ............................................................................ ..... If someone has resources I don't have, about hose or underbreeches, I'd sure appreciate knowing about/getting them, so by all means ask the lists please. So far, I know that the Bocksten hose are made just like Tom's, except that I put a separate sole on. I also know that later (1430, from the Catherine of Cleves Hours) the hose could be cut with the point at the side of the hip, rather than the front. However, St. Vincent's breeches (contemporary Catalan) have openings at the waistband in the front, and I'm therefore assuming that (a) St. Vincent wore hose when he wasn't busy being martyred and (b) they were cut like the Bocksten and Bremen hose, with a point at the top center front, and were tied to the waistband at the front of the underbreeches. I made a trial pair of underbreeches yesterday (while trying to watch the Eagles-Rams game) and have at least come up with something to test for stress points. Cynara ------ End of Forwarded Message _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 11:41:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27445 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:41:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0THHBF05576; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:17:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0THGRT27941; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:16:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from mel-rto4.wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-4.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.23]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SGhwT15397 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:43:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.193) by mel-rto4.wanadoo.fr; 28 Jan 2002 17:44:31 +0100 Received: from wanadoo.fr (193.248.9.227) by mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr; 28 Jan 2002 17:44:16 +0100 Message-ID: <3C557F29.3F2DE1D3@wanadoo.fr> From: Patris MEALLIER X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lumieres@yahoogroups.com CC: 18thcwoman@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com References: <4.2.0.58.20020128003859.0160aab0@post.strato.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: [lumieres] translators sought for 18th/19th cosmetics and 17th-19thhairdos Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: argad@wanadoo.fr List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:41:14 +0100 Status: RO Well if I can give some help with french translations I'll be happy to ... although I do'nt know much about tailoring except my own experiences... Patrice http://pro.wanadoo.fr/huchehault Amalie a *crit : > dear list (s), > > sorry for the cross-posting, but i really need some help here to generate > some benefit for all of us. > > i have created a number of webpages where i've used german sources, pages > that i think would be of interest to us all. i'm feeling out of my depth > with many of the special terms used, so i'm hoping that some of you out > there can help me translating the stuff into english. other pages need > translating from french to english. i really hope that some of you take up > the challenge. > > what i ned help with is > - 17th to 19th century hairdos and how they're made up (german, > hairdresser's language) > - 18th and early 19th century cosmetics (german, chemist's language) > - garsault's "l'art de la lingere" and "l'art du tailleur" (french, > tailor's language) > > if you volunteer to help, you will of course receive credits... and some > other recompense, but i don't exactly know what that might be yet. state > your wishes, and we'll see what can be done. > > salut, > alexa > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 11:42:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27451 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:42:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0THHiF05663; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:17:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0THH0T28221; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp3.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp3.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0THGQT27937 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:16:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 21016 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2002 16:53:40 -0000 Received: from 206-105-173-82.inetone.net (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.82) by smtp3.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 16:53:40 -0000 Message-ID: <3C56D45D.7134EC42@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings References: <20020129162618.87821.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:57:01 -0500 Status: RO Iohanna the Harper wrote: > May I add another "early fashion don't" -- an > otherwise impeccably period look ruined (in my > opinion) with High-Goth-Club-Rat jewelry. Could you describe this? I am so out of the loop on things. Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 11:44:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27467 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:44:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0THJjF05935; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:19:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0THJ1T29487; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0THIhI29322 for h-costume@net.indra.com; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:18:43 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-ID: <20020129101843.D26059@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Spanish Loose Gown pattern favor Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:18:43 -0700 Status: RO I have a copy of the Mantua-Maker's Spanish Loose Gown pattern on its way to me, but I was hoping to get a head start with the assistance of someone who already has a copy of it: - what are the measurements given for sizes 18-20-22? - what are the yardage requirements for each of thse sizes? - what are the recommended fabrics for the garment? If I can find this out, I can wallow through my fabric stash and see what I have that's useable, or go out and get something suitable, before the pattern arrives. Thanks! ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 11:50:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31486 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:50:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0THPkF06822; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:25:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0THP1T03567; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20307.mail.yahoo.com (web20307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0THOJT03069 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:24:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020129172459.54116.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:24:59 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list , long hair mail list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Off-topic for both lists! Funny moment at the office Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:24:59 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I work in the admissions office of a college. This morning we received a long rambling email from a woman in Kansas. She had a very "American-sounding" name, so English is almost certainly her native language. [No ESL excuses for her!] She concluded her email with: "I want you to know that I am prepared to rigorously pursue my Bachelorette of Arts degree." We're just having a marvelous time with this. My colleague Siobhan has suggested a contest to develop the curriculum for the Bachelorette of Arts. Since I really work with graduate admission, I get to work on the "follow-up" degree: Mistress of Arts. Even the janitor got in the act: he contributed the idea that the diploma for Bachelorette of Arts must be printed on pink paper. ok...I'll go quietly now... Iohanna the Harper (to some of you) Joan Hall (to some of you) "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 12:06:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31582 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:06:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0THYkF07870; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:34:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0THY1T08966; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20309.mail.yahoo.com (web20309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0THXmT08850 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:33:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020129173425.78538.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:34:25 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C56D45D.7134EC42@inetone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:34:25 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Dhannti wrote: High-Goth-Club-Rat jewelry. > > Could you describe this? I am so out of the loop on > things. go to www.blackrose.co.uk/ and browse the jewelry section. Fun stuff. I myself have (to the horror of my husband & children)a heavy brushed-steel-chainmail-and-black-leather handpiece. However, I wear it with jeans and a sweater, not my 12th C. garb!! Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 12:24:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31662 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:24:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0THxlF10973; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:59:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0THx1T23619; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0THwvT23575 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:58:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.116]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020129175939.UVIS658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:59:39 -0600 Message-ID: <3C56E2BC.5080408@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Headcoverings...was 14th Century Cote and Gown Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:58:20 -0600 Status: RO Okay so basicly since I am an old woman ;) I should have my head covered anyway. *L* Okay I can live with that, it gives me an excuse to go to the fabric store. *L* "Honey, going to the fabric store need veil material." Vaaarrrooommm!!! Katie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 12:55:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31814 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:55:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TIUsF15557; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:30:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TIU3T13853; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:30:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl (pandora.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.179]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TISwT13204 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:28:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-202-77.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.202.77]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id B6B6C38337 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:29:43 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000001c1a8f3$077df8a0$4dcaf1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ED3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <003701c1a54a$a15bde80$6401a8c0@home.com> <012801c1a7ed$18d3b560$32eaf1c3@henk> <009f01c1a81f$bf435cc0$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A0_01C1A83B.F838E6A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:40:06 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A0_01C1A83B.F838E6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Dan, You wrote: The hoods and so on are still in parts on my living room floor. = They will eventually be finished. Ah, that explains it... Americans in general don't tend to wear hats, so they tend to = forget that detail when doing historical costumes, particularly since most of = the books that are readily available here gloss over the subject. Is that so? What books are these? The pattern is what was easily available on very short notice that = gave something of the right feel. Getting fabric with a truly medieval = pattern is almost impossible here, but you can get close with some of the = upholstery fabrics that are available, if you're careful. I started her = dress after the 1st of December (drafting the pattern.) I moved in the middle = of the month. So there wasn't much time to hunt for fabric. However, = patterned fabrics of many kinds seem to have been used during the 14th = century, at least in England and France. The deBlois pourpoint is one good = example, but there are several others. There are a few good pictures and/or = diagrams in the Museum of London, Textiles and Clothing book (which has been = republished by Boydell and Brewer.) The Blois pourpoint is a patterned silk-damask coat (with a linen = lining), as are most other saved clothing (f.i. queen Margaret's cotte). = In the MOL books the only patterns in woollen cloth are stripes, checks = and mingled colours and woven-in heraldry in wall hangings, which are = different kettle of fish. I think the upholstery cloths are the culprit here: most don't have = medieval patterns and IMO they feel wrong (although this wasn't visible = in the picture). If you don't mind me saying so: I would go for = unpatterned woollen cloth every time. I realize it's hard to come by in = the States, but I'm sure many members of this list could point you to = sources, where you can get these cloths relatively cheap and in many = wonderful colours. Just a tip. Regards, Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_01A0_01C1A83B.F838E6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Dan,
 
You wrote:
    The hoods and so on are still in parts on my = living room floor.  They will
    eventually be finished.
 
Ah, that explains it...

    Americans in general don't tend to wear = hats, so they tend to forget that
    detail when doing = historical costumes, particularly since most of the books
    = that are readily available here gloss over the subject.
 
Is that so? What books are these?

    The = pattern is what was easily available on very short notice that gave
    something of the right feel.  Getting = fabric with a truly medieval pattern
    is almost = impossible here, but you can get close with some of the = upholstery
    fabrics that are available, if you're careful.  I started her = dress after
    the 1st of December (drafting the = pattern.)  I moved in the middle of the
    month.  So = there wasn't much time to hunt for fabric.  However, patterned
    fabrics of many kinds seem to have = been used during the 14th century, at
    least in England and = France.  The deBlois pourpoint is one good example, but
    there are several others.  There are a = few good pictures and/or diagrams in
    the Museum of = London, Textiles and Clothing book (which has been = republished
    by Boydell and Brewer.)

The Blois pourpoint is a patterned = silk-damask coat (with a linen lining), as are most other saved clothing (f.i. = queen Margaret's cotte). In the MOL books the only patterns in woollen cloth = are stripes, checks and mingled colours and woven-in heraldry in wall = hangings, which are different kettle of fish.
 
I think the upholstery cloths are the culprit here: most don't = have medieval patterns and IMO they feel wrong (although this wasn't = visible in the picture). If you don't mind me saying so: I would go for unpatterned = woollen cloth every time. I realize it's hard to come by in the States, but = I'm sure many members of this list could point you to sources, where you can = get these cloths relatively cheap and in many wonderful colours. Just a = tip.
 
Regards,
 
 
Henk
 
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_01A0_01C1A83B.F838E6A0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 13:24:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32036 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:24:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TIwpF18903; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:58:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TIw1T00889; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from equinox.unr.edu (equinox.unr.edu [134.197.1.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TIvjT00750 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:57:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from dfenwicklaptop (dan-test-station.ed.unr.edu [134.197.92.215]) by equinox.unr.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g0TJ1i700087 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:01:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00f601c1a8f6$f744ffc0$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> From: "Daniel Fenwick" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ED3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <003701c1a54a$a15bde80$6401a8c0@home.com> <012801c1a7ed$18d3b560$32eaf1c3@henk> <009f01c1a81f$bf435cc0$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> <000001c1a8f3$077df8a0$4dcaf1c3@henk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:58:40 -0800 Status: RO < Hi Dan, You wrote: The hoods and so on are still in parts on my living room floor. They will eventually be finished. Ah, that explains it... > They'll eventually get done, but my lady has asked that I not finish them without her help since she wants to learn how to assemble them. < Americans in general don't tend to wear hats, so they tend to forget that detail when doing historical costumes, particularly since most of the books that are readily available here gloss over the subject. Is that so? What books are these? > The very few commonly available. I work at a University and have a btter collection of costuming books (for the 13-15th centuries) than the library on campus. < The Blois pourpoint is a patterned silk-damask coat (with a linen lining), as are most other saved clothing (f.i. queen Margaret's cotte). In the MOL books the only patterns in woollen cloth are stripes, checks and mingled colours and woven-in heraldry in wall hangings, which are different kettle of fish. > I have photos of the pourpoint. If I could get fabric to match I'd be a happy person. :) < I think the upholstery cloths are the culprit here: most don't have medieval patterns and IMO they feel wrong (although this wasn't visible in the picture). If you don't mind me saying so: I would go for unpatterned woollen cloth every time. I realize it's hard to come by in the States, but I'm sure many members of this list could point you to sources, where you can get these cloths relatively cheap and in many wonderful colours. Just a tip. > If I could wear wool, that might be an option, but I can't so it's not. :( Dan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 13:29:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32073 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:29:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TJ3xF19808; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:03:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TJ3DT04515; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:03:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.sunflower.com (smtp.sunflower.com [24.124.0.128]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TJ0HT02464 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:00:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from cliff.sunflower.com (cliff.sunflower.com [24.124.0.140]) by smtp.sunflower.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0TJ10v21411 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:01:00 -0600 Message-Id: <200201291901.g0TJ10v21411@smtp.sunflower.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Franklin Web E-mail Subject: re: [h-cost] Off-topic for both lists! Funny moment at the office X-Origin-Ip: 129.237.252.12 From: mdevries@sunflower.com To: h-costume@net.indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020129172459.54116.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com>; from joan_the_harpist1119@yahoo.com on Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:24:59 -0800 (PST) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mdevries@sunflower.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:00:59 -0000 Status: RO As a native of Kansas, I just have to mention that this is not "normal" for us... But it is very disappointing to know that people have such a problem with language. :( Margretta de Vries > Joan Garner wrote: > > I work in the admissions office of a college. This > morning we received a long rambling email from a woman > in Kansas. She had a very "American-sounding" name, > so English is almost certainly her native language. > [No ESL excuses for her!] She concluded her email > with: "I want you to know that I am prepared to > rigorously pursue my Bachelorette of Arts degree." > > We're just having a marvelous time with this. My > colleague Siobhan has suggested a contest to develop > the curriculum for the Bachelorette of Arts. Since I > really work with graduate admission, I get to work on > the "follow-up" degree: Mistress of Arts. Even the > janitor got in the act: he contributed the idea that > the diploma for Bachelorette of Arts must be printed > on pink paper. > > ok...I'll go quietly now... > > Iohanna the Harper (to some of you) > Joan Hall (to some of you) > "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" > "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 13:36:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32166 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:36:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TJBkF20724; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:11:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TJB1T08984; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TJAlT08820 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:10:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.9c.1a1b957c (2613) for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:11:20 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.1a1b957c.29884dd7@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-topic for both lists! Funny moment at the office To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:11:19 EST Status: RO Been there done that. Spent 2 years working in the credit department at Manufacturers Hanover Trust in Jericho NY. An excuse for non-payment siad something like-"I order a Pink Gorilla to come over to juggle and sing and dance, it never showed up." The general consensus was that in order to get a Pink Gorilla to sing and dance at your party-you must ask rather than order them to do so. Apparantly they don't respond to being bossed around very well. Giggle. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 14:15:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32437 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:15:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TJokF25166; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:50:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TJo0T01999; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TJngT01824 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:49:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-1320.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.11.50]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0TJoOo176616 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:50:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3C56FCF6.EEEB688A@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings] References: <20020129125228.65926.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:50:14 -0600 Status: RO Joan Garner wrote: > and no, I have _no_ idea why we call them bangs. > Penny, are you there???? The OED was no further help. Same 1878 date, although it seems calling it "bang*s*" is fairly recent. --Charlene -- When a lion escapes from a circus in Africa, how do they know when they've caught the right one? --George Carlin ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 14:16:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32449 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:16:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TJpkF25278; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:51:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TJp1T02608; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TJoBT02115 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:50:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-1320.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.11.50]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0TJoqo90874 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:50:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3C56FD13.F10D0DBF@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:50:43 -0600 Status: RO Kate M Bunting wrote: > This isn't specifically Irish - "wonky" is a British Isles colloquialism for "faulty" or "lopsided", and, as others have pointed out, "fringe" (in the singular) is the normal term here and in Australia. "Wonky" is also used in the US. --Charlene -- When a lion escapes from a circus in Africa, how do they know when they've caught the right one? --George Carlin ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 14:25:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32551 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:24:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TJwkF26116; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:58:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TJw1T06573; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl (pandora.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.179]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TJuMT05631 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:56:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-197-39.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.197.39]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 741E738499 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:57:07 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00d001c1a8ff$3dd23e00$4dcaf1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <20020128212214.67379.qmail@earthlink.net> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> <024301c1a84f$2e76b9a0$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C1A907.7AC23E20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:56:53 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C1A907.7AC23E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Dan, You wrote: That depends on the time and place. In this case, there are many = examples showing men and women wearing some kind of head covering. there = are also many examples showing bare heads. Take a look through Fashion in = the Age of the Black Prince. You should be able to find examples of both = just in the 40 years or so the book covers. Of course you're right there, BUT the sources she shows are almost = only portraying aristocracy, courtiers and rich merchants, and it had = become fashionable to 'do' bare heads, the weather permitting, in these = circles. The Romance of Alexandre (ca 1338) even shows the latest = fashion for young aristocratic women: NO VEILS and DECOLLETEE'S! And did = they come in for a battering by the clergy!!! Everybody with even a = smidgeon of decorum thoufgt this at least scandalous en at worst the = sounding the trumps at the end of the world. So, basically, everybody who was not 'fashionable' (and remember it = was only useful to be fashionable at court, for which you had to be rich = and influential, and when you were young enough to get away with wearing = tight clothes), wore headcoverings. Even young girls of a marriagable = age, in some noble circles already from 12 years onwards. Besides = headcoverings being cool, sweat-absorbers and keeping hair out of the = eyes, they are very useful to keep out draughts (all medieval houses and = castles were draughty) and it keeps your hair form getting greasy or = dirty too fast by the infuence of fires, smoke and soot (practical = experience), and that goes for the 'well-offs' as well. Men had the same = problem, together with the soiling effects of some kinds of work, like = smithing, tanning, fulling, dyeing, brick- and pottery making, etc. Only = outside in summer and with the sun shining it was OK to be bareheaded, = but workers in the field at haying or harvest time wore coifs or = strawhats against sunstroke. What strikes me the most, however, after having seen the whole line-up = of the West-Kingdom's 12th Night revels, is that all you people look so = 'terribly' American. I honestly don't know if it's the faces, the = hair or what, but I could not ever confuse you guys with anybody else = but US citizens. Ant ideas why this is, List? In casu 'bangs' or 'frills': wear a headband to turn the bangs back = (seriously! don't be afraid it will stay back there, it'll take only an = hour or less afterwards for the hair to find the usual shape again) and = you'll have the proper bare forehead the medieval people loved so much = in women. It just is so very un-medieval to have bangs coming out from = under female headwear. Men, however, can comb their hair forwards and/or = over the ears for most periods. Desist the operatic beard (1950's and = later Hollywood hairdressers type) and the too clean cut moustache and = goatee, be either clean shaven or have a real, short cut, beard with all = the hair growing where it belongs (depending on the face). Stubble is = all right too. For second half 14th c: drooping but not too thick = moustaches are OK for knights and nobility, and for older people of the = same status forked beards are fashionable in the same period. Just some free advice for getting even more 'period' from you friendly = medieval consultant... Henk (I know it's SCA policy, but these white knight's belts together with = a proper swordbelt are just too much. Have the swordbelt white, if you = must, or leave off the white one because it's definetely not a medieval = custom that you could know a knight by the colour of his belt, and don't = wear ermine if you're not royalty, and all female crowns before ca 1350 = were worn over veils, and a lot of the time afterwards as well, except = on the crowning occasion when the (always long) hair was worn loose) Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C1A907.7AC23E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Dan,
 
You wrote:
    That depends on the time and place.  In = this case, there are many examples
    showing men and = women wearing some kind of head covering.  there are = also
    many examples showing bare heads.  Take a look through Fashion in = the Age of
    the Black Prince.  You should be able to = find examples of both just in the
    40 years or so the = book covers.

Of course you're right there, BUT the sources she shows = are almost only portraying aristocracy, courtiers and rich merchants, and = it had become fashionable to 'do' bare heads, the weather permitting, in = these circles. The Romance of Alexandre (ca 1338) even shows the latest = fashion for young aristocratic women: NO VEILS and DECOLLETEE'S! And did they come = in for a battering by the clergy!!! Everybody with even a smidgeon of decorum = thoufgt this at least scandalous en at worst the sounding the trumps at = the end of the world.
 
So, basically, everybody who was not 'fashionable' (and remember = it was only useful to be fashionable at court, for which you had to be rich = and influential, and when you were young enough to get away with wearing = tight clothes), wore headcoverings. Even young girls of a marriagable age, = in some noble circles already from 12 years onwards. Besides headcoverings = being cool, sweat-absorbers and keeping hair out of the eyes, they are very useful = to keep out draughts (all medieval houses and castles were = draughty) and it keeps your hair form getting greasy or dirty too fast by the = infuence of fires, smoke and soot (practical experience), and that goes for the 'well-offs' as well. Men had the same problem, together with the = soiling effects of some kinds of work, like smithing, tanning, fulling, = dyeing, brick- and pottery making, etc. Only outside in summer and with the sun = shining it was OK to be bareheaded, but workers in the field at haying or harvest = time wore coifs or strawhats against sunstroke.
 
What strikes me the most, however, after having seen the whole = line-up of the West-Kingdom's 12th Night revels, is that all you people look so 'terribly' <g> American. I honestly don't know if it's the = faces, the hair or what, but I could not ever confuse you guys with anybody else = but US citizens. Ant ideas why this is, List?
 
In casu 'bangs' or 'frills': wear a headband to turn the bangs = back (seriously! don't be afraid it will stay back there, it'll take = only an hour or less afterwards for the hair to find the usual shape = again) and you'll have the proper bare forehead the medieval people loved so much = in women. It just is so very un-medieval to have bangs coming out from = under female headwear. Men, however, can comb their hair forwards and/or = over the ears for most periods. Desist the operatic beard (1950's and later = Hollywood hairdressers type) and the too clean cut moustache and goatee, be = either clean shaven or have a real, short cut, beard with all the hair growing = where it belongs (depending on the face). Stubble is all right too. For second = half 14th c: drooping but not too thick moustaches are OK for knights and = nobility, and for older people of the same status forked beards are fashionable = in the same period.
 
Just some free advice for getting even more 'period' from you = friendly medieval consultant...
 
 
Henk
 
 
(I know it's SCA policy, but these white knight's belts together = with a proper swordbelt are just too much. Have the swordbelt white, if you = must, or leave off the white one because it's definetely not a medieval custom = that you could know a knight by the colour of his belt, and don't wear ermine = if you're not royalty, and all female crowns before ca 1350 were worn over = veils, and a lot of the time afterwards as well, except on the crowning occasion = when the (always long) hair was worn loose)
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very = own domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C1A907.7AC23E20-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 14:40:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32691 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:40:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TKFrF28064; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:15:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TKF2T16292; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TKEkT16183 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:14:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id MAA01497 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:32:59 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201292032.MAA01497@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:32:59 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > May I add another "early fashion don't" -- an > otherwise impeccably period look ruined (in my > opinion) with High-Goth-Club-Rat jewelry. > >Could you describe this? I am so out of the loop on things. Probably Alchemy Gothic and similar manufacturer's cheezy jewelry. See: http://www.pendragongothic.com/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Pendants_322.html Ahaha. The "Celtic Ankh" is a new one. And the Infernal Compass-Rose. Think of drippy occult jewelry, except this stuff isn't even made of silver. The original "look" ends up being similar to the original descriptions of Magrat Garlick in _Weird Sisters_. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 14:43:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32731 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:43:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TKJ1F28411; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TKI8T18092; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:18:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TKHUT17740 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:17:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16Vehh-000HeM-0K for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:18:06 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown References: <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:16:46 +0000 Status: RO kat@grendal.rain.com wrote > >> I am confused wasn't head coverings mostly for married women, >> and unmairred women were able to wear their hair down no covering >> on their heads? I might be wrong but I think that is what >> I have read. Mundanely I am a married woman, but my persona is >> unmarried. Seeing as Society is not a rolplaying game my persona >> will forever more be single, so I should be able to wear my hair >> down and my head uncovered. Correct? > >In most periods where hair was covered for marrieds and uncovered >for unmarrieds, a time would come (based on chronologic age, not >mental age or wishful thinking) when the unmarrieds would still >start covering the head. If you were of an age (which varies >considerably between times and places in medieval and early >modern Europe) to be married but weren't, you would *still* wear a >head covering. (It survived through many time periods to the point >where in Victorian times they talk about "putting on caps".) It was >even something carried on into the 20th Century in the form of >wearing hats or some sort of head covering in church (especially in >the Catholic church.) > Or indeed just to putting the hair up - remember Chalet School girls growing their hair when they got to a certain age, so they could put it up the next year? Not sure if it was 16 or 18. Jean > >Kat > >Kat(June Russell) >kat@grendal.rain.com >Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 14:58:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00315 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:58:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TKYjF00366; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:34:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TKY1T27145; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (dsl092-160-084.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.160.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TKXhT27010 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:33:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from gideonfamily.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FBA7F78 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:34:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C57074B.A041BA49@gideonfamily.org> From: Andrea Gideon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown References: <20020128212214.67379.qmail@earthlink.net> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> <024301c1a84f$2e76b9a0$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> <00d001c1a8ff$3dd23e00$4dcaf1c3@henk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:34:20 -0500 Status: RO _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 14:59:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00319 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:59:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TKZjF00476; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:35:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TKZ0T27809; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f192.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TKXxT27125 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:34:36 -0800 Received: from 65.65.99.184 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:34:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.65.99.184] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 20:34:36.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DCA8000:01C1A904] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:34:35 Status: RO Ah! But finding the "right" shoe is wonderful!! I have triangular feet - wide at the ball and toes, narrow heel and then my arch is shorter and higher than most of the arch supports put in shoes. (sigh) I have a couple of pairs that have gone to the "shoe hospital" several times for fix-ups because they fit so well. I won't buy shoes without trying them on. No mail order for me. My dad had a pair of dress shoes that he took such care of that they lasted for 15 years. (I got my feet and hands from him) Mary/Katerine (who's parents were both in the shoe industry, and so grew up as a shoe hound...) > > I have 4 toes all the same length, then this poor little smidge of a > > little toe. Buying shoes is fun... > > >Buying shoes is the bane of my existence! Have you found any types that >actually fit feet like ours? > >Pam Dotson >Everett, WA USA > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 15:02:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00341 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:02:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TKalF00622; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:36:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TKa1T28382; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from equinox.unr.edu (equinox.unr.edu [134.197.1.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TKZCT27952 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:35:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from dfenwicklaptop (dan-test-station.ed.unr.edu [134.197.92.215]) by equinox.unr.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g0TKdC715801 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:39:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <014c01c1a904$93d11100$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> From: "Daniel Fenwick" To: References: <20020128212214.67379.qmail@earthlink.net> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> <024301c1a84f$2e76b9a0$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> <00d001c1a8ff$3dd23e00$4dcaf1c3@henk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:36:06 -0800 Status: RO < You wrote: That depends on the time and place. In this case, there are many examples showing men and women wearing some kind of head covering. there are also many examples showing bare heads. Take a look through Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince. You should be able to find examples of both just in the 40 years or so the book covers. Of course you're right there, BUT the sources she shows are almost only portraying aristocracy, courtiers and rich merchants, and it had become fashionable to 'do' bare heads, the weather permitting, in these circles. The Romance of Alexandre (ca 1338) even shows the latest fashion for young aristocratic women: NO VEILS and DECOLLETEE'S! And did they come in for a battering by the clergy!!! Everybody with even a smidgeon of decorum thoufgt this at least scandalous en at worst the sounding the trumps at the end of the world. > True. Your answer just broadens the possibilities. :) For the time period in question, if you are doing someone of the aristocracy, then a bare head could well be perfectly acceptable and as accurate, if not more so, than a head covering. :) For a different time, that could well be very different. I always wear a hat with my late 16th century doublet, for example. (Even though I absolutely hate the hat. :) ) < What strikes me the most, however, after having seen the whole line-up of the West-Kingdom's 12th Night revels, is that all you people look so 'terribly' American. I honestly don't know if it's the faces, the hair or what, but I could not ever confuse you guys with anybody else but US citizens. Ant ideas why this is, List? > Maybe because we are all Americans? :) Other than that I can't tell you, unless it's in the details that are hard to pick up out of books or that don't seem as important in our culture but are in yours. < In casu 'bangs' or 'frills': wear a headband to turn the bangs back (seriously! don't be afraid it will stay back there, it'll take only an hour or less afterwards for the hair to find the usual shape again) and you'll have the proper bare forehead the medieval people loved so much in women. It just is so very un-medieval to have bangs coming out from under female headwear. > And really, it looks goofy, too. But then I've never been a fan of bangs. :) < Men, however, can comb their hair forwards and/or over the ears for most periods. Desist the operatic beard (1950's and later Hollywood hairdressers type) and the too clean cut moustache and goatee, be either clean shaven or have a real, short cut, beard with all the hair growing where it belongs (depending on the face). > Now, on me, that would be a LOT of beard. LOL < Stubble is all right too. For second half 14th c: drooping but not too thick moustaches are OK for knights and nobility, and for older people of the same status forked beards are fashionable in the same period. > I have considered the drooping mustache, but my lady hates them... Sometimes it's better to keep one's lady happy. :) < Just some free advice for getting even more 'period' from you friendly medieval consultant... > And your advice is always appreciated. < (I know it's SCA policy, but these white knight's belts together with a proper swordbelt are just too much. Have the swordbelt white, if you must, > I have suggested this to more than one knight. Unfortunately, very few seem to want to actually make the sword belt themselves, so white is rather hard to come by. < or leave off the white one because it's definetely not a medieval custom that you could know a knight by the colour of his belt, > This, too, is true. but the tradition is so well entrenched I don't see it changing any time soon. In fact, lots of people keep trying to reserve yet more colors of belt (and I won't get into a rant about that, here.) < and don't wear ermine if you're not royalty, > The only person I know of who wears it is a Duke. He seldom wears the coronet, but regularly wears the ermine mantle. < and all female crowns before ca 1350 were worn over veils, and a lot of the time afterwards as well, except on the crowning occasion when the (always long) hair was worn loose) > Interesting. That's a detail I hadn't picked up on. < Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl > You've got some really interesting stuff there. I need to find time to actually go and look at all of it. :) Dan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 15:07:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00376 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:07:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TKhkF01454; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:43:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TKh1T02500; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f55.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.55]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TKgbT02223 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:42:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:43:14 -0800 Received: from 65.65.99.184 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:43:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.65.99.184] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Bangs (was: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings]) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 20:43:14.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[92F95930:01C1A905] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:43:14 Status: RO IIRC, Laura Ingalls Wilder referred to them as "bangs" in her books...that would be about the right time frame... Mary/Katerine >Joan Garner wrote: > > > and no, I have _no_ idea why we call them bangs. > > Penny, are you there???? > >The OED was no further help. Same 1878 date, although it seems calling >it "bang*s*" is fairly recent. > >--Charlene > >-- >When a lion escapes from a circus in Africa, how do they know when >they've caught the right one? --George Carlin >===== >Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - >mailto:findbook@flash.net >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 15:15:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00432 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:15:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TKpjF02370; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:51:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TKp0T07078; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TKocT06850 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:50:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-62.frys.com [66.121.20.62]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0TKpKg26554 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:51:20 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020129123605.00d79c10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: period coffee? (was Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings In-Reply-To: <20020129162618.87821.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:49:48 -0800 Status: RO > >Iohanna the Harper >(who is much kind after her decidedly non-period >coffee) At Ren. Faire here in N. California, any dark-coloured soft drink, in an opaque mug, is referred to as "dark ale" and any light-coloured one is referred to as "light ale" (even if it's orange). Coffee and tea are similarly re-named. (I'm glad I have a tankard with a lid, which hides the ice cubes.) So how long ago was coffee drunk in Europe? I seem to recall an Italian coffee roaster from the 1400's, and coffee beans being made into broth after one of the sieges of Vienna. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 15:27:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00481 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:27:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TL1kF03709; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:01:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TL11T13110; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TKxtT12490 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:59:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id NAA02907 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:18:07 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201292118.NAA02907@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:18:07 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > From: "Daniel Fenwick" [...] > (I know it's SCA policy, but these white knight's belts together with a > proper swordbelt are just too much. Have the swordbelt white, if you must, [...] > or leave off the white one because it's definetely not a medieval custom > that you could know a knight by the colour of his belt, > > This, too, is true. but the tradition is so well entrenched I don't see it > changing any time soon. In fact, lots of people keep trying to reserve yet > more colors of belt (and I won't get into a rant about that, here.) Snort. I remember my first SCA event, I got told that I shouldn't wear a red belt. I remember making a snarky comment that I hoped they didn't have anyone with a swedish persona, then. No Lucindas in that crowd. ;} Truthfully, if we're talking true red instead of cordovan red, that's a harder and more expensive color to get than white on leathers. Off-white and white leather could be bleached with ammonia (stale urine). True red leather involves bleaching the leather at least some, then using one of the various scarlet dyes. Expensive. [...] > and all female crowns before ca 1350 were worn over veils, and a lot of the > time afterwards as well, except on the crowning occasion when the (always > long) hair was worn loose) > > Interesting. That's a detail I hadn't picked up on. Yes the Queen of Spades crown that I did for a fantasy costume was modeled on norman coronets and crowns. Not only was it more practical to wear a coif under it (no hair sticking out in weird directions, no nasty groove in my forehead), but it looked more like the paintings I'd been working from as source material. If I'd been doing a crown as a historical piece instead of a fantasy piece, I would've used a veil as the underpinning most likely. By the way, I priced out what I'd have to charge someone else for a headpiece like that, and decided I just would decline any requests. The beads and lead crystal stones alone came out to over US$ 100, and the piece was several weeks of work. It reminded me why most of my jewelry is done for myself or as gifts for special people. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 15:42:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00563 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:42:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TLHkF05608; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:17:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TLH0T22264; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TLFwT21753 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:15:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020129211637.XUYA10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:16:37 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: period coffee? (was Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c570ffb.132790602@mail.attbi.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20020129123605.00d79c10@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020129123605.00d79c10@mail.frys.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0TLFwT21753 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:16:42 GMT Status: RO On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:49:48 -0800, the following was written in this electric book by Carolyn Kayta Barrows : > >At Ren. Faire here in N. California, any dark-coloured soft drink, in an >opaque mug, is referred to as "dark ale" and any light-coloured one is >referred to as "light ale" (even if it's orange). Coffee and tea are >similarly re-named. (I'm glad I have a tankard with a lid, which hides the >ice cubes.) We used to call it (eight or so years ago, in St Brigid's - Scots) 'uiske-dhu' or 'black water'. I'm sure it was incorrect Gaelic, but it covered up what we were actually drinking first thing in the morning. We did someting similar with our electrolyte drink, but in that case we only 'Gaelicized' the colloquial name (batsweat - yes, just as disgusting as it sounds, but it kept us alive). Unfortunately I don't recall the name we used in public. Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 15:43:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00572 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:43:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TLJjF05912; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:19:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TLJ0T23376; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TLIQT23045 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:18:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from picard.dnaco.net (picard.dnaco.net [207.238.206.4]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0TLKLd11400 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by picard.dnaco.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA03706 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:22:52 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: picard.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Preserving books? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:22:51 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thanks everyone for all your help! I feel much better about bookshelf-making now. Yours, Drea On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, Gary Walker wrote: > on 1/25/02 9:24 AM, aleed at aleed@dnaco.net wrote: > > > > > I'm buying some unfinished bookcases, and plan to finish them myself. > > They're going to be holding some really pricy and really old books--some > > over 200 years old. Does anyone know what finishes I should use or avoid? > > Is linseed oil OK, or should I use polyurethane? Will having glass doors > > on the front help preserve them, or should they get some air flow? > > > > Rather off topic, I know, but there are fabric conservationists on this > > list and I was hoping they might have some pointers. :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Drea > > Drea, > > http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/ has zillions of preservation related links, > and a finder for professional conservators. I hunted for a simple FAQ with > an answer for this question, but there was too much stuff. > > ... My husband the woodworker is now available. He agrees about > polyurethane's virtures, as Fred suggested. > > However he disagrees about the glass. > > Modern wood-pulp paper attracts dust mites as it ages. A snugly-fitted > glass door will keep moisture down inside (and we live in the Pacific > NorthWET) and dust mite debris out of the rest of the house. A well-fit > door will create an interior micro-climate that stays steady when the > outside (house interior) micro-climate fluctuates in temperature and > humidity. If moisture inside a closed bookcase is an extreme concern there > are a number of ways to capture what moisture is inside; for example, a > Dri-Z-Air "water sucker", or crystalline dessicant packets. > > Hope this helps, > Chimene & Gerek > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 15:49:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00598 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:49:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TLPjF06676; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:25:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TLP0T27080; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TLOIT26647 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:24:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-79.frys.com [66.121.20.79]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0TLP1g27497 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:25:01 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020129125122.00d5c2e0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: what to do with long hair (was Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:24:14 -0800 Status: RO >I agree > >"Headcovering is so rare to find at events, but what irks me more than >even that, >are women who insist upon wearing their 16th c. French Hoods like modern alice >bands, with their bangs hanging out front. Grrrr. It just looks... tacky. >Another one is wearing crowns over hairsprayed hairdos... ::sigh::" I personally like my hair short, similar to the asymmetric thing in my ASCII sig portrait. But I realized I had to grow it long if I wanted to do historical with it. Wearing a wig over short hair, for historical, is not an option for me, because wigs make me sweat in a most unladylike manner. So I'm trying to design a hairdo which looks modern, for day to day, with t-shirt and jeans, and is long enough to do period for Edwardian, where all I am wearing on my head is hairpins and combs, indoors, and can't cover up short hair. Wearing long hair fastened behind in a bunch with a hair thing, mundanely, makes me look like an old Hippie (which I am, but I don't want to emphasize that fact). Maybe a low ponytail, like my (old Hippie/biker) Sweetie wears, but with a nice hair thing because he's a guy and I'm not? Any advice here would be welcome. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 15:49:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00602 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:49:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TLOkF06492; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:24:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TLO0T26442; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta013.verizon.net (mta013pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.214]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TLNBT25938 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:23:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from default ([151.199.135.219]) by mta013.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020129212353.DIFM11410.mta013.verizon.net@default> for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:23:53 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020129212411.006e5120@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: [h-cost] Re: period coffee? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:24:11 -0500 Status: RO At 12:49 PM 1/29/02 -0800, you wrote: > >> >>Iohanna the Harper >>(who is much kind after her decidedly non-period >>coffee) > >At Ren. Faire here in N. California, any dark-coloured soft drink, in an >opaque mug, is referred to as "dark ale" and any light-coloured one is >referred to as "light ale" (even if it's orange). Coffee and tea are >similarly re-named. (I'm glad I have a tankard with a lid, which hides the >ice cubes.) > >So how long ago was coffee drunk in Europe? I seem to recall an Italian >coffee roaster from the 1400's, and coffee beans being made into broth >after one of the sieges of Vienna. > >Kayta > Depends on where. Coffee originating in Ethiopia as a plant has been cultivated in Yemen from about the sixth century. There is some evidence of Black African cultivation earlier, but apparently they used it as a solid food. COFFEE A GUIDE TO BUYING, BREWING, and ENJOYING by Kenneth Davids 1981, 101 Productions San Francisco it's popularity raced throughout the world in the 16th century. Originally the beverage was controlled by the arabs, but eventually some seeds snuck out, and the plant was growing throughout India. Later the French and the Dutch would be responsible for transporting trees around the world, though the main cities were still Mocha and Java. This source give little documentation and avoids dates, but suggests that it remained a pricey commodity untill 1715. The ART of DINING by Sara Paston-Williams 1995 National Trust Enterprises.Ltd. London is a far more schlarly work and it states that there are references to coffee in travelogues to the East, but the first refernce she found to the beverage in England is through a coffee house opened by a Jewish man in 1650. She gives the introduction to chocalate in England to about the same date, and tea predating by a small amount to 1635. To all accounts however, the heyday of these hot beverages in Britain and much of Europe is the 17th and 18th Centuries. I would not be surprised however is Spain made use of them earlier, due to her older connection to North America (Chocalate) and her moorish connections (coffee). I am greatly interested in the three hot beverages, which I suppose is left over from my days in the business. Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 15:55:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00668 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:55:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TLVkF07334; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:31:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TLV1T00984; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20405.mail.yahoo.com (web20405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.124]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0TLUHT00547 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:30:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020129213100.45799.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:31:00 PST From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3c570ffb.132790602@mail.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: period coffee? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:31:00 -0800 (PST) Status: RO But coffee *is* period ...if you're in the Middle East. (As is cotton) -Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 15:58:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00677 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:58:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TLYjF07681; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:34:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TLY0T02911; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TLXET02413 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:33:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Vft0-0000X0-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:33:51 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown References: <20020128212214.67379.qmail@earthlink.net> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> <024301c1a84f$2e76b9a0$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> <00d001c1a8ff$3dd23e00$4dcaf1c3@henk> In-Reply-To: <00d001c1a8ff$3dd23e00$4dcaf1c3@henk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:47:53 +0000 Status: RO Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote >   > What strikes me the most, however, after having seen the whole line-up > of the West-Kingdom's 12th Night revels, is that all you people look so > 'terribly' American. I honestly don't know if it's the faces, the hair or > what, but I could not ever confuse you guys with anybody else but US > citizens. Ant ideas why this is, List? >   Straight teeth and noses? (Just a guess, I haven't managed to access the page, but I know exactly what you mean) Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 16:03:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00718 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:03:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TLdlF08279; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:39:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TLd1T06187; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TLcbT05932 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:38:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-92.frys.com [66.121.20.92]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0TLdKg27928 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:39:20 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020129132609.00d603b0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown In-Reply-To: <200201292118.NAA02907@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:38:06 -0800 Status: RO > > > This, too, is true. but the tradition is so well entrenched I don't see it > > changing any time soon. In fact, lots of people keep trying to reserve yet > > more colors of belt (and I won't get into a rant about that, here.) > >Snort. I remember my first SCA event, I got told that I shouldn't >wear a red belt. I second the derisive snort. I have a German SCA persona, of an economic status where she could afford to wear the large-link gold chains which knights have taken for themselves. So I wear these in multiples, because knights only wear one. Similarly, SCA horsey-types can wear spurs as long as they are not roweled spurs. Heraldry for my persona doesn't follow their rules either, as I am German and of a much later period of heraldry than they use. So I registered something, and I use the German variation of one of the elements. The representation I use is so similar to the thing I registered that nobody else could register it, and the differing element looks very much like its English equivalent. Nobody has squawked yet. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 16:04:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00729 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:04:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TLdtF08294; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:39:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TLdAT06265; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:39:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f133.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TLcaT05912 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:38:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:39:15 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.58 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:39:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.58] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Plaid for romans? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2002 21:39:15.0167 (UTC) FILETIME=[65DBFEF0:01C1A90D] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:39:14 -0500 Status: RO In the process of sorting through my inbox, I realized that I never said Thank You to all who helped me with my question about plaid fabric being used for Roman costume. My friend who came to me with the original question (which I then forwarded here) told me that I have 'the coolest contacts!' Nah... I just know where to ask my questions... Thank you. Parsla Vocatus atque non vocatus, Deus aderit. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 17:23:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01186 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:23:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TMvqF17872; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:57:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TMv2T00207; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TMudT29838 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:56:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A62345BF00D6; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:45:55 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020129170343.01a61d20@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-topic for both lists! Funny moment at the office In-Reply-To: <20020129172459.54116.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:06:57 -0600 Status: RO >She had a very "American-sounding" name, >so English is almost certainly her native language. >[No ESL excuses for her!] Playing Devil's Advocate here... How about English *is* her second language? She might be Deaf and have her primary language be ASL. How about she has some cognitive disability that makes her use weird expressions/syntax, while being extremely intelligent? These are two disability awareness item that a lot of folks don't think of. Not disability related. My name is Nicolas Steenhout. That's pretty much English sounding. English is my fourth language. Of course, she just *may* be uneducated and a bit of an idiot, but let's not jump to conclusions. Ok, off my soap box. Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 18:16:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01517 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:16:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0TNqlF23825; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:52:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TNq1T29631; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0TNpKT29353 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:51:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11246 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:08:26 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Bangs (was: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings]) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:08:26 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Mary Temple wrote: > IIRC, Laura Ingalls Wilder referred to them as "bangs" in her books...that > would be about the right time frame... Been a while since I read the book, but didn't her father refer to it as a "lunatic fringe"? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 18:33:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01558 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:33:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U09lF25781; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:09:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U090T08534; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0U08iY08423 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:08:44 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown Message-ID: <20020129170843.K26059@net.indra.com> References: <200201292118.NAA02907@gw.retro.com> <4.3.1.2.20020129132609.00d603b0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020129132609.00d603b0@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:08:43 -0700 Status: RO I would like to remind everyone that, as stated in the list guidelines, "general discussion regarding the groups or organizations that sponsor costumed events is discouraged". Please take the discussion of SCA regalia off the list. Thanks. ...eliz, list admin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 18:34:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01562 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:34:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U0AkF25909; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:10:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U0A0T09038; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp2.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp2.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.142]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0U09wT09018 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:09:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 166 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 00:08:53 -0000 Received: from 208-27-190-90.inetone.net (HELO inetone.net) (208.27.190.90) by smtp2.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 00:08:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3C573A56.B836520F@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings References: <200201292032.MAA01497@gw.retro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:12:06 -0500 Status: RO Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > > Probably Alchemy Gothic and similar manufacturer's cheezy jewelry. > See: > http://www.pendragongothic.com/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Pendants_322.html > > Ahaha. The "Celtic Ankh" is a new one. And the Infernal Compass-Rose. > Think of drippy occult jewelry, except this stuff isn't even made of > silver. The original "look" ends up being similar to the original > descriptions of Magrat Garlick in _Weird Sisters_. > *smiles* I see now. It's most of what someone sells on ebay as Renaissance. Where would someone look for more period -1600 century or there abouts- jewelry? Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 20:15:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01928 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:15:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U1q4F04157; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:52:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U1p1T16970; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0U1osT16912 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:50:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 24964 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 01:46:17 -0000 Received: from tnt1-082162.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.82.162) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 01:46:17 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020129195537.00a08cf0@sound.net> X-Sender: sherylnd@sound.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: period coffee? (was Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings In-Reply-To: <3c570ffb.132790602@mail.attbi.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20020129123605.00d79c10@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020129123605.00d79c10@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:57:04 -0600 Status: RO At 09:16 PM 1/29/02 +0000, you wrote: >We did someting similar with our electrolyte drink, but in that case >we only 'Gaelicized' the colloquial name (batsweat - yes, just as >disgusting as it sounds, but it kept us alive). Unfortunately I don't >recall the name we used in public. > >Maura We call our Gatorade "dragon squeezings". Don't ask me why - no idea. Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 20:49:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02076 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:49:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U2PmF06237; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:25:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U2P1T27893; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U2OuT27858 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:24:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22215 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p46.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.174]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA13453 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:25:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201300225.VAA13453@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:26:15 -0500 Status: RO I just finished a new 18th c. wool jacket, using J.P. Ryan's new ladies' jackets pattern: http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/MVC-005F.JPG http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/MVC-010F.JPG The pics aren't the best, due to lighting (inside, at night), and I'm not wearing the rest of my kit, so it's not the full effect. You can't see it, but I just spent the evening artificially distressing it, so the jacket looks a bit more like something a campfollower might wear. There's something perverse about making a wonderful new garment, then getting it grimy (with mineral oil and soot, etc.). Hard to do, but once I got started, strangely fun. Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 20:51:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02096 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:51:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U2QlF06305; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:26:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U2Q1T28182; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U2PQT28026 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:25:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.69]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020130022532.ILNF13676.chruser@tds.net> for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:25:32 -0600 Message-ID: <3C57594E.6030505@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study References: <3C55A01B.7080106@tds.net> <019f01c1a85a$6f8fc2a0$0d604e40@suscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:24:14 -0600 Status: RO Thanks but bananas give me heartburn something terrible... guess I my toes can't be "chimp" toes huh? *L* Greg and Dianne Stucki wrote: > Me and my whole family. Care for a banana? > > Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 20:53:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02103 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:53:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U2TkF06501; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:29:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U2T0T29098; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U2STT28954 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:28:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m56.in-tch.com [216.166.191.56]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0U2HiT01665 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:17:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C575A67.D4630B04@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Bangs (was: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings]) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:28:55 -0700 Status: RO I think you're right...and didn't she curl them with some sort of curling iron, heated up using a lamp of some sort? --Sue Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Mary Temple wrote: > > > IIRC, Laura Ingalls Wilder referred to them as "bangs" in her books...that > > would be about the right time frame... > > Been a while since I read the book, but didn't her father refer to it as a > "lunatic fringe"? > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 21:00:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02137 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:00:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U2alF07027; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:36:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U2a1T01426; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U2ZQT01224 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:35:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.69]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020130023610.JKBG27436.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:36:10 -0600 Message-ID: <3C575BCC.9010008@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: period coffee? (was Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings References: <4.3.1.2.20020129123605.00d79c10@mail.frys.com> <3c570ffb.132790602@mail.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:34:52 -0600 Status: RO I call it "Merlin's morning social brew" cause it magicly make me a social person after drinking it in the morning. *L* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 21:09:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02158 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:09:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U2jlF07641; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:45:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U2j1T04045; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U2iPT03857 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:44:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.69]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020130024459.JDAL13676.chruser@tds.net> for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:44:59 -0600 Message-ID: <3C575DDD.9000000@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket References: <200201300225.VAA13453@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:43:41 -0600 Status: RO Well done! Katie Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > I just finished a new 18th c. wool jacket, using J.P. Ryan's new ladies' > jackets pattern: > > http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/MVC-005F.JPG > http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/MVC-010F.JPG > > The pics aren't the best, due to lighting (inside, at night), and I'm not > wearing the rest of my kit, so it's not the full effect. You can't see it, > but I just spent the evening artificially distressing it, so the jacket > looks a bit more like something a campfollower might wear. There's > something perverse about making a wonderful new garment, then getting it > grimy (with mineral oil and soot, etc.). Hard to do, but once I got > started, strangely fun. > > Cheers, > Mara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 21:14:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02179 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:14:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U2okF07926; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:50:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U2o1T05713; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U2nQT05520 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:49:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (unknown [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DE213A9C4F for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:47:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01a901c1a940$d6679c00$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020129123605.00d79c10@mail.frys.com> <3c570ffb.132790602@mail.attbi.com> <3C575BCC.9010008@tds.net> Subject: Re: period coffee? (was Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:47:02 -0600 Status: RO I don't care what you call it, as long as you don't call it gone! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:34 PM Subject: Re: period coffee? (was Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings > I call it "Merlin's morning social brew" cause it magicly make > me a social person after drinking it in the morning. *L* > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 21:48:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02321 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:48:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U3OlF09794; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:24:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U3O1T15914; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U3NdT15795 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:23:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p3.directcon.net [209.79.209.52]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA28834 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:22:48 -0800 Message-Id: <200201300322.TAA28834@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: Bangs (was: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings]) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:22:48 -0800 Status: RO At 07:28 PM 01/29/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I think you're right...and didn't she curl them with some sort of >curling iron, heated up using a lamp of some sort? No, she used her slate pencil, heated up on the wood stove. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 21:58:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02364 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:58:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U3YmF10414; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:34:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U3Y1T19237; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U3XfT19129 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:33:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.193.14] (as-5-28.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.14]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0U3YPI11998 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:34:26 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:54:01 -0800 Status: RO At 11:00 PM +1030 1/29/02, Rebecca Anderson wrote: >P.S. where did this US term "bangs" come from? I believe what you >are refering to is kown as a fringe here in Australia. I can't say anything definitive without looking it up, but I do know that "hair cut short straight across" shows up in descriptions of horses, whether for manes or tails -- the phrase "bang-tailed nag" comes to mind. It may be originally a horsey term that crept across, but that still begs the question of its origin. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 21:59:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02369 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:59:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U3Z0F10442; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U3YET19292; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:34:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U3XrT19190 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:33:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.193.14] (as-5-28.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.14]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0U3YbI13054 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:34:37 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:20:28 -0800 Status: RO At 9:08 PM -0600 1/28/02, Robin Netherton wrote: >Bear in mind also that "unmarried women" is an awfully broad phrase, and >not really applicable in a medieval context the same way it is today, when >women's roles, lifespan, and expectations of marriage/childbearing are >very different. In many medieval time/place contexts, age was as much a >factor as marital status; women were expected to cover the hair after a >certain age whether they were married or not. Many women who remained >unmarried entered religious orders -- and there's a reason we say "took >the veil" to describe that action. Women who chose to remain single >(eventually called spinsters in English, because so many unmarried women >were able to support themselves by fiber production) might assume hair >coverings to signify their independent economic status (as opposed to a >virgin still living under her father's support, waiting to be married >off). Using this as a jump-off point -- for those who are interested in the topic of the social and legal position of adult, unmarried women in pre-modern times, I highly recommend a recent collection of essays "Singlewomen in the European Past 1250-1800" edited by Judith Bennett and Amy Froide (University of Pennsylvania Press, 1999). Very scholarly and rigorous and yet (in my opinion) also very readable by the non-specialist. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 22:02:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02396 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:02:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U3clF10681; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:38:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U3c1T20468; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U3buT20437 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:37:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-004nynyorp275.dialsprint.net ([168.191.122.205] helo=earthlink.net) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Vla4-0002QX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:38:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3C5736C3.4090000@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study References: <3C55A01B.7080106@tds.net> <3C55BD85.30403@earthlink.net> <00d901c1a8da$a03be020$b2d61840@bently> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:56:51 -0500 Status: RO They're supposed to fit? *G* My fourth toe is permanently bent. I can't straighten it any more. Well, add long toes, long feet, narrow heel, high arch... Luckily, they are also very strong feet. I work on my feet, so this is an issue, and for many jobs I need to wear dress shoes. My ideal shoe is a sandal, otherwise I mostly get really cheap ones. The more "good support" a shoe has, the worse it is for me, because it is supporting my foot in places my foot does not want to be. I'm going nuts because Payless no longer seems to carry my sneakers... and they, oddly, seem to use a last that works for me. Otherwise, I wear sandals from May through September, to try to let my poor toes straighten out. I had Birkenstocks once, which were very comfortable, but looked like boats, because I had to get them about three sizes "too large" to get enough room for my toes, and place the arch properly. I forgot to make a note of the size, and haven't gotten new ones, because I will have to spend another 2 hours in the store with a patient salesperson who believes me... and is willing to run back and forth and let me try them all on... Yes, I am strongly considering learning to make shoes. Marc, are you following this? LOL! I have a new friend who is a leatherworker, and doesn't yet know that he may find himself teaching me to work leather... Anne Pam Dotson wrote: >>I have 4 toes all the same length, then this poor little smidge of a >>little toe. Buying shoes is fun... >> >Buying shoes is the bane of my existence! Have you found any types that >actually fit feet like ours? > >Pam Dotson >Everett, WA USA > >_ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 22:03:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02403 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:03:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U3dlF10741; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:39:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U3d1T20797; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U3c1T20469 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-004nynyorp275.dialsprint.net ([168.191.122.205] helo=earthlink.net) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Vla7-0002WJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:38:44 -0800 Message-ID: <3C573A55.5040001@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown References: <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:12:05 -0500 Status: RO I don't know what Chalet School is... but there's a reference in a play called Dear Brutus, by James Barry. One character is a girl who is about 15, talking to her father about the next year, when it would be time to put her hair up and be a woman. She says she'll be "girl/woman, day about, for a year. You won't know which I am until you see if my hair is up, and even then you won't know, because if it up I'll take it down, and if it's down, I'll put it up." (Paraphrasing, here, haven't read it in a long time.) Clearly, even though the cut off age wasn't as absolute as it had been earlier, a grown woman wore her hair up! I read this when I was her age, and thought it a good description of the way I felt. BTW, Helen Hayes played her when she was the right age... Anne Jean Waddie wrote: >> > Or indeed just to putting the hair up - remember Chalet School girls > growing their hair when they got to a certain age, so they could put > it up the next year? Not sure if it was 16 or 18. > > Jean > >> >> Kat >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 22:39:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02514 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:39:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U4FmF12994; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:15:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U4F1T02027; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U4EAT01774 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:14:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.d0.217574c4 (16484) for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:14:47 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d0.217574c4.2988cd37_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:14:47 EST Status: RO --part1_d0.217574c4.2988cd37_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/29/2002 9:26:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, lindo@radix.net writes: > . There's > something perverse about making a wonderful new garment, then getting it > grimy (with mineral oil and soot, etc.). Hard to do, but once I got > started, strangely fun. > I love distressing [theatre word] or teching [movie word] costumes. It's like make up for clothes. It should have logic and tell a story. Y'know....Oh, she wipes her hands on hips a lot. Look, her cuffs have been snagged and run through the muck several times. She sits on the ground in that skirt a lot. She's been scrubbing the floor on her knees, look at the water stains. She's been outdoors a long time, the shoulders and back are faded...... It is fun. It's like creating a back story. --part1_d0.217574c4.2988cd37_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/29/2002 9:26:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, lindo@radix.net writes:


.  There's
something perverse about making a wonderful new garment, then getting it
grimy (with mineral oil and soot, etc.).  Hard to do, but once I got
started, strangely fun.


I love distressing [theatre word] or teching [movie word] costumes. It's like make up for clothes. It should have logic and tell a story. Y'know....Oh, she wipes her hands on hips a lot. Look, her cuffs have been snagged and run through the muck several times. She sits on the ground in that skirt a lot. She's been scrubbing the floor on her knees, look at the water stains. She's been outdoors a long time, the shoulders and back are faded......

It is fun. It's like creating a back story. --part1_d0.217574c4.2988cd37_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 22:51:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02555 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:51:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U4RhF13616; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:27:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U4QsT05221; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:26:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U4P4T04768 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:25:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2040.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.40]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20843 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:25:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3C5774F3.F9894C62@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] period sewing baskets - contents? References: <4.3.1.2.20020127014629.00d13690@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020126041753.00be7420@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020127014629.00d13690@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020127221813.00dbfc40@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:22:11 -0500 Status: RO Hi, Katya. If you mean by stork-scissors the scissors shaped like a bird, I'm pretty sure they are late 18th Cent., if not later. I like the wooden boxes from Amman (Brushmaker and Apothecary). They can be gotten sometimes in IKEAs and sometimes in shops that sell Scandinavian things. Some modern craftsmen do them, but they use a slightly different technique to make them. I think the one shown in Amman in the background of the Tailor is a turned box, similar to ones from the Vasa wreck (Swedish 17th cent.) I'll try and find some of those scissor pics I have. Mike T. Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >Like a lot of people, I'm attracted to the small one-piece spring-shears > >because they look "non-modern", but for medieval handwork I've come to the > >conclusion that this is one of those misguided substitutions of the > >inaccurate but "exotic" for the accurate but "familiar". > > Jost Amman, in his book of woodcuts c.1560, shows these one-piece > scissors. Since most of my pre-1600 sewing is done as a > Landsknecht/Kampfrau, it seems to fit. My upper-class German SCA persona > would probably have stork-scissors for needlework use. > > > I don't know of a study on > >the subject, but I am interested in your findings on containers. I have > >seen illos of the bentwood materials (modern versions can be gotten from > >Scandinavian sources) and some woven pieces. I have noticed in my > >research on surgical things that the boxes used to pack bandages look > >remarkably like those used for sewing. > > I use a wood box which used to contain Madelines - oval with thin wood > sides and a wood top - similar to the round ones I see in Jost Amman, for > my Kampfrau. My upper class German persona doesn't really have a sewing > box yet, but it would be fancier than a plain unpainted wood box. > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 22:58:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02570 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:58:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U4YkF14061; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:34:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U4Y0T07470; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U4XKT07285 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:33:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2040.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.40]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13350 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:34:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3C5776E3.EBB7911A@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Japanoiserie References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8EF0@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:30:27 -0500 Status: RO > Havent seen it. (Maybe it's not that ubiquitous? ) Which Emperor & > what date? The last of Illustrious Memory, circa 1936ish. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 23:04:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02600 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:04:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U4elF14354; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:40:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U4e0T09194; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U4dUT09022 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:39:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2040.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.40]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31896 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:40:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3C577856.3DC5B81D@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's she got on her head? References: <20020128195207.90416.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:36:38 -0500 Status: RO Hi, Angela. You should send a note to Kass (the creator of the reconstructinghistory site) and ask her opinion. I don't remember if she is on this list, but she will definitely give you some idea based on her research... Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 23:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02639 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:10:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U4kmF14670; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:46:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U4k1T10732; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U4jsT10692 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:45:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-004nynyorp275.dialsprint.net ([168.191.122.205] helo=earthlink.net) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Vmdr-0003aY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:46:39 -0800 Message-ID: <3C577ACB.4060402@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:47:07 -0500 Status: RO Make up for clothes. What a wonderful description! Character make up... I think it is fun, too. Anne AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > I love distressing [theatre word] or teching [movie word] costumes. > It's like make up for clothes. It should have logic and tell a story. > Y'know....Oh, she wipes her hands on hips a lot. Look, her cuffs have > been snagged and run through the muck several times. She sits on the > ground in that skirt a lot. She's been scrubbing the floor on her > knees, look at the water stains. She's been outdoors a long time, the > shoulders and back are faded...... > > It is fun. It's like creating a back story. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 29 23:24:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02683 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:24:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U50oF15549; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:00:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U501T14569; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U4xBT14334 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:59:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2040.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.40]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31408 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:59:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3C577CF2.E9B89E68@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: period coffee? References: <20020129213100.45799.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:56:19 -0500 Status: RO Hi. Since this is the h-costume list and not the SCA or RenFaire authenticity list, I suppose you could do whatever you wanted without worrying about it being "period". It is "period", but which "Period" you are referring to is based on your grasp of how historical you find yourself needing to be. If you are talking from an SCA perspective, you can always quote the oft-heard mantra about "creativity" being in the title. If you are doing RenFaire, no one will care anyway, and if you are a reenactor or a Living History person, you will drink it before the site opens or the public sees it unless you can adequately document it for your period, your social class and your region. I can't think of any costume related thing to add to this, aside from the thought that this discussion mirrors the attitudes prevalent in each of the abovementioned groups as relates to their clothing, also. Mike T. Angela Kovatch wrote: > But coffee *is* period ...if you're in the Middle > East. (As is cotton) > > -Angela > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 00:19:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02839 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:19:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U5tmF18428; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:55:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U5t0T00377; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:55:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U5spT00338 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:54:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m22.in-tch.com [216.166.191.22]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0U5i6T14232 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:44:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C578BDE.C0B99644@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Bangs (was: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was:Head-coverings]) References: <200201300322.TAA28834@artemis.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:59:58 -0700 Status: RO Oh, duh I must be remembering something else, then..... --Sue Margo@margospatterns.com wrote: > > At 07:28 PM 01/29/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >I think you're right...and didn't she curl them with some sort of > >curling iron, heated up using a lamp of some sort? > > No, she used her slate pencil, heated up on the wood stove. > > Margo > > Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns > margospatterns.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 00:22:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02862 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:22:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U5wlF18591; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:58:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U5w0T01166; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U5vAT00918 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:57:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m22.in-tch.com [216.166.191.22]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0U5kQT14781 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:46:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C578C6A.AE556FA8@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket References: <200201300225.VAA13453@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:02:18 -0700 Status: RO Hey, nice job, but there's something wonderfully quirky about seeing it worn over a pair of blue jeans --Sue, who has JP's stays pattern, and who is taking another class from her later this spring.... Mara Riley wrote: > > I just finished a new 18th c. wool jacket, using J.P. Ryan's new ladies' > jackets pattern: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 01:11:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03027 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:11:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U6lmF21012; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:47:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U6l1T12833; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U6kGT12678 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:46:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-104.frys.com [66.121.20.104]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0U6l2g12181 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:47:03 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020129223001.00d756b0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] period sewing baskets - contents? In-Reply-To: <3C5774F3.F9894C62@dandy.net> References: <4.3.1.2.20020127014629.00d13690@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020126041753.00be7420@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020127014629.00d13690@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020127221813.00dbfc40@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:33:14 -0800 Status: RO >If you mean by stork-scissors the scissors shaped like a bird, I'm >pretty sure they are late 18th Cent., if not later. I seem to recall they're earlier. I don't own any, but if my rich Ren. character had her own box, something just as fancy would be in there. >I like the wooden boxes >from Amman (Brushmaker and Apothecary). They can be gotten sometimes in IKEAs >and sometimes in shops that sell Scandinavian things. The craft places carry these, in several sizes and shapes (round and oval). I'm using a box from cost Plus, which used to contain Madelines (cookies). >Some modern craftsmen do >them, but they use a slightly different technique to make them. Some look more like what the American colonists used, and I stay away from those for Ren. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 01:11:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03031 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:11:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U6m7F21035; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:48:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U6lKT13041; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:47:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U6kHT12688 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:46:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-104.frys.com [66.121.20.104]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0U6l4g12187 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:47:04 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020129223416.00d70e30@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: period coffee? In-Reply-To: <3C577CF2.E9B89E68@dandy.net> References: <20020129213100.45799.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:46:26 -0800 Status: RO >Hi. Since this is the h-costume list and not the SCA or RenFaire >authenticity list, I suppose you could do whatever you wanted without >worrying about it being "period". It is "period", but which "Period" you >are referring to is based on your grasp of how historical you find >yourself needing to be. If you are talking from an SCA perspective, you >can always quote the oft-heard mantra about "creativity" being in the >title. If you are doing RenFaire, no one will care anyway, and if you >are a reenactor or a Living History person, you will drink it before the >site opens or the public sees it unless you can adequately document it >for your period, your social class and your region. I can't think of any >costume related thing to add to this, aside from the thought that this >discussion mirrors the attitudes prevalent in each of the abovementioned >groups as relates to their clothing, also. I'm very much of the 'hide it' school of thought for Ren., as I don't drink alcohol and most of 'them' didn't drink water. I get thirsty on a hot day, and I put what I drink into a covered tankard so at least it looks ok from the outside. Even if I have to buy it in a paper cup, it goes into my tankard (most Ren. Faire beverage stands will obligingly fill any cup/mug/tankard you bring them). And 'light ale/dark ale' is as hokey as I am willing to call it. But if I am doing Georgian thru Edwardian, I get to drink tea, usually out of one of my period-looking china cups (thank providence for thrift stores). Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 03:39:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04634 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:39:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U9FFF25948; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U9E3T16630; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:14:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U9D3T16370 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:13:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA18065.; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:21:29 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:13:47 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: Bangs (was: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was:Head-coverings]) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0U9D3T16370 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:13:43 +0000 Status: RO Possibly "Little Women", where IIRC Jo causes Meg's curls to singe and break off by overheating the curling tongs? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> mooncat@in-tch.com 01/30/02 05:59am >>> Oh, duh I must be remembering something else, then..... --Sue Margo@margospatterns.com wrote: > > At 07:28 PM 01/29/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >I think you're right...and didn't she curl them with some sort of > >curling iron, heated up using a lamp of some sort? > > No, she used her slate pencil, heated up on the wood stove. > > Margo > > Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns > margospatterns.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 04:17:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04809 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:17:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0U9rwF27028; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:53:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U9r3T24985; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:53:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0U9lwT24041 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:47:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA20209.; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:56:20 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:48:40 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: what to do with long hair (was Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0U9lwT24041 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:48:03 +0000 Status: RO Kayta wrote: >I personally like my hair short, similar to the asymmetric thing in my >ASCII sig portrait. But I realized I had to grow it long if I wanted to do >historical with it. Wearing a wig over short hair, for historical, is not >an option for me, because wigs make me sweat in a most unladylike >manner. >So I'm trying to design a hairdo which looks modern, for day to day, with >t-shirt and jeans, and is long enough to do period for Edwardian, where all >I am wearing on my head is hairpins and combs, indoors, and can't cover >up short hair. Wearing long hair fastened behind in a bunch with a hair >thing, mundanely, makes me look like an old Hippie (which I am, but I don't >want to emphasize that fact). Maybe a low ponytail, like my (old >Hippie/biker) Sweetie wears, but with a nice hair thing because he's a guy >and I'm not? >Any advice here would be welcome. I can't offer any useful advice because my hair is so thick (and grows so low around my face and neck) that wearing it long mundanely isn't really an option. I grew it three times as a girl, once with a fringe (bangs) and twice without. I had enough to do it like the young Queen Victoria, with plaits (braids) looped round my ears and a bun at the back, but the only grown-up style suitable for everyday I could manage was a 1930s-style bun in the back of my neck (where it grows thickest). I envy those women whose hair falls neatly into a long tail which can be coiled into a bun with a minimum of fastening. For 17th century reenactment I cover the lot with a coif or, with upper-class clothing, pin it back from my face and hide the spiky ends under a veil. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 06:00:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05314 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:00:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UBaUF00398; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:36:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UBZfT01302; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:35:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UBYPT01022 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:34:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-219-63.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.219.63]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id C96113832E for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:35:10 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00cd01c1a982$4c865840$0100007f@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <20020128212214.67379.qmail@earthlink.net> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> <024301c1a84f$2e76b9a0$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> <00d001c1a8ff$3dd23e00$4dcaf1c3@henk> <3C57074B.A041BA49@gideonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C1A97D.41046DE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:59:56 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C1A97D.41046DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Andrea Gideon, Your last 2 messages didn't come through to the list, at least not where = I can read them. What's gone wrong? Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C1A97D.41046DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Andrea Gideon,
 
Your last 2 messages didn't come through to the list, at least not = where I can read them. What's gone wrong?
 
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very own = domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C1A97D.41046DE0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 06:00:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05318 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:00:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UBZpF00361; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:35:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UBZ1T01162; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UBYRT01032 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:34:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-219-63.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.219.63]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EC0238338 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:35:13 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00cf01c1a982$4e3abf00$0100007f@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020129170343.01a61d20@mail.bmee.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-topic for both lists! Funny moment at the office Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C1A980.46F2A660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:21:35 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C1A980.46F2A660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Gorgeous (g), You wrote: Not disability related. My name is Nicolas Steenhout. That's = pretty much English sounding. English is my fourth language. Sounds and looks Dutch to me: the Dutch word Steenhout means Stonewood = in English. Nicolas is almost Dutch (Nicolaas) and always shortened to = either Nico or Klaas. But if you are of Dutch descent you probably know = that already. Well, now the list knows... Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C1A980.46F2A660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Gorgeous (g),
 
You wrote:
    Not disability related.  My name is = Nicolas Steenhout.  That's pretty much
    English sounding.  English is my fourth language.
Sounds and looks Dutch to me: the Dutch word Steenhout means = Stonewood in English. Nicolas is almost Dutch (Nicolaas) and always = shortened to either Nico or Klaas. But if you are of Dutch descent you probably = know that already. Well, now the list knows...
 
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very = own domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C1A980.46F2A660-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 06:01:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05321 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:01:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UBaLF00378; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:36:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UBZUT01264; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:35:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UBYPT01024 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:34:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-219-63.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.219.63]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F87F38300 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:35:12 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00ce01c1a982$4d3ef9e0$0100007f@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <20020128212214.67379.qmail@earthlink.net> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> <024301c1a84f$2e76b9a0$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> <00d001c1a8ff$3dd23e00$4dcaf1c3@henk> <014c01c1a904$93d11100$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1A97E.72B19A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:08:29 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1A97E.72B19A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Dan, It looks like we're very much on the same wavelength in all this, which = is great. Glad feelings in the SCA (well, the West Kingdom...) are = changing. You've got some really interesting stuff there. I need to find time = to actually go and look at all of it. :) Hope you'll pick up some stuff you can use. Please ask if you want to = know more. Regards, Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1A97E.72B19A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Dan,
 
It looks like we're very much on the same wavelength in all this, = which is great. Glad feelings in the SCA (well, the West Kingdom...) are = changing.
You've got some really interesting stuff there.  I need to = find time to
actually go and look at all of it.  :)
Hope you'll pick up some stuff you can use. Please ask if you = want to know more.
 
Regards,
 
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very = own domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1A97E.72B19A60-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 06:01:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05329 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:01:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UBaoF00427; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:36:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UBa0T01363; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UBZ6T01182 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:35:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-219-63.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.219.63]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id B557438459 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:35:52 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00d801c1a982$658a7560$0100007f@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020129132609.00d603b0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C1A98A.8C481600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:35:06 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C1A98A.8C481600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Carolyn, You wrote: Heraldry for my persona doesn't follow their rules either, as I am = German and of a much later period of heraldry than they use. So I registered = something, and I use the German variation of one of the elements. The = representation I use is so similar to the thing I registered that = nobody else could register it, and the differing element looks very much like = its English equivalent. Nobody has squawked yet. I'm curious now. What's your coat of arms like? Any chance of a = picture of it somewhere? Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C1A98A.8C481600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Carolyn,
 
You wrote:
    Heraldry for my persona doesn't follow their = rules either, as I am German
and of a much later period of heraldry than = they use.  So I registered
something, and I use the German = variation of one of the elements.  The
representation I use is so similar = to the thing I registered that nobody
else could register it, and the = differing element looks very much like its
English equivalent.  Nobody = has squawked yet.

I'm curious now. What's your coat of arms like? Any chance of a = picture of it somewhere?
 
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very = own domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C1A98A.8C481600-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 06:47:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05495 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:47:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UCNrF01839; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 05:23:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UCN1T10811; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 05:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20302.mail.yahoo.com (web20302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.83]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0UCMMT10704 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 05:22:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020130122310.930.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.111.163] by web20302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:23:10 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: what to do with long hair (was Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020129125122.00d5c2e0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:23:10 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >Wearing long hair fastened behind in a bunch with a >hair thing, mundanely, makes me look like an old >Hippie (which I am, but I don't want to emphasize >that fact). >From one old hippie to another - what I do with my couple-of-inches-below-my-shoulders hair for the office is the crochet-bun-cover-and-a-hair-stick thing. I'm all thumbs with hair and I can put my hair up (neatly) in less than 3 minutes. I've been crocheting the bun covers out of size 10 crochet thread and have about 10 colors now, and I've become the Hair Stick Queen. Now I've brought my daughter to the bun-cover-and-hairstick side of the Force. She likes it because it's neat, quick and professional looking for teaching. Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 07:23:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05608 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:23:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UCxRF03002; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 05:59:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UCw2T18529; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 05:58:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UCvcT18425 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 05:57:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09433 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p5.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.133]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA16118 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:58:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201301258.HAA16118@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair In-Reply-To: References: <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:58:52 -0500 Status: RO At 08:16 PM 01/29/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Or indeed just to putting the hair up - remember Chalet School girls >growing their hair when they got to a certain age, so they could put it >up the next year? Not sure if it was 16 or 18. > >Jean That one's still around... My mom gets quite bent out of shape if I wear my hair down, because, according to her, "a lady above a certain age" (about 16, I think) should either cut her hair short (shorter than shoulder length) or wear it up. I've got hair to the middle of my back, and wear it any number of ways -- usually braided or clipped back in a barette, but sometimes in a chignon. She was born in 1944, and had her debut when she was 16, in Birmingham AL, so... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 07:36:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05660 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:36:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UDCtF03618; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:12:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UDC3T21979; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:12:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UDB6T21676 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:11:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-144.frys.com [66.121.20.144]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0UDBsg17369 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 05:11:55 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020130050852.00d64e50@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair In-Reply-To: <200201301258.HAA16118@saltmine.radix.net> References: <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 05:11:15 -0800 Status: RO >That one's still around... My mom gets quite bent out of shape if I wear my >hair down, because, according to her, "a lady above a certain age" (about >16, I think) should either cut her hair short (shorter than shoulder >length) or wear it up. I've got hair to the middle of my back, and wear it >any number of ways -- usually braided or clipped back in a barette, but >sometimes in a chignon. She was born in 1944, and had her debut when she >was 16, in Birmingham AL, so... I was born in 1949, and I remember that even in California. I think it's Medieval, except the part about cutting it short. These days it seems to be more OK for women to wear their hair down, and I see some pretty long grey hair walking around on women older than I am. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 07:50:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05717 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:50:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UDQxF04249; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:26:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UDP5T25203; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:25:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UDNeT24818 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:24:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDOMIZO13400KEW0@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:26:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDOMHT2Z4600JEQG@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:25:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:20:26 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:07:40 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.84) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:07:39 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disapointment :-( In-reply-to: <200201210100.g0L10JR10850@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <28021005729@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:07:39 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Somewhat behind on e-mails so just saw this one.... > No one of y'all that attended 12th night in Chicago yesterday took the > time to say hi... Somewhat disappointing... I don't bite... "What," he asked with a wicked gleam in his eye, "not even if they ask really nicely?"..... Teddy (Sorry you were disappointed, but I just couldn't resist a line like that!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 08:39:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05935 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:39:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UEFCF07185; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:15:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UEC7T08115; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:12:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UEB6T07831 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:11:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id GAA09074 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:23:48 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201301423.GAA09074@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: what to do with long hair (was Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:23:48 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Joan Garner > --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >Wearing long hair fastened behind in a bunch with a > >hair thing, mundanely, makes me look like an old > >Hippie (which I am, but I don't want to emphasize > >that fact). > > From one old hippie to another - what I do with my > couple-of-inches-below-my-shoulders hair for the > office is the crochet-bun-cover-and-a-hair-stick > thing. I'm all thumbs with hair and I can put my hair > up (neatly) in less than 3 minutes. I've been > crocheting the bun covers out of size 10 crochet > thread and have about 10 colors now, and I've become > the Hair Stick Queen. Now I've brought my daughter to > the bun-cover-and-hairstick side of the Force. She > likes it because it's neat, quick and professional > looking for teaching. Let me once again tout Anne Akers Johnson's book, _Hair. A Book of Braiding and Styles_. For everyday wear, I'd suggest out of this book the French Twist, the Flip (ponyflip), Quiff (works with shorter hair, I can now use this one), Roll (I used to wear a varient that caught up all your hair), Rolled Braid, Rolled Bun, Reverse Roll (varient of a rope twist), Top Twist (related to the Quiff), any number of varients of a braided bun. All of these can look quite professional with practice (and smoothing serum, in my case). For that matter, a simple french braid can look good after you've practiced at it for a while. I'm waiting for my hair to grow out enough that I can put it all in a single braid/queue. The Quiff or Top Twist are good for that growing-in phase. [wondering how long before people start calling me "Rapunzel" again] Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 09:03:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06030 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:03:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UEdiF09002; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:39:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UEaOT15093; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:37:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UEZ9T14684 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:35:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from tolt489 by mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: [153.39.154.23]) id QQmaba26029 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:34:05 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3C578C6A.AE556FA8@in-tch.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:34:38 -0500 Status: RO On 29 Jan 02, at 23:02, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Hey, nice job, but there's something wonderfully quirky about seeing > it worn over a pair of blue jeans --Sue, who has JP's stays > pattern, and who is taking another class from her later this > spring.... I was thinking myself that it looked rather nifty as a mundane-wear jacket... remembering the thread a little while ago about wearing elements of costume as everyday wear. Maybe I'll have to make one for myself, to wear to work! (Like I need to add to the miles- long project list...) --Jessica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 09:28:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10089 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:28:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UF5BF11657; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:05:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UF29T21873; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20401.mail.yahoo.com (web20401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0UEpUT19041 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:51:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020130145202.99043.qmail@web20401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:52:02 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: period coffee? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C577CF2.E9B89E68@dandy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:52:02 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- leigh tartaglio wrote: > Hi. Since this is the h-costume list and not the SCA > or RenFaire > authenticity list, Perfectly right. The funny thing is, I wrote the post thinking "hey, not everyone is on this list to do Elizabethan or (European) medieval" and wanted to subtly remind everyone that there is more to the wide world of historic costuming (hence the reference to cotton, an option for sewing material) and reenacting. But after I sent it, I realized that I had let my own reference set of SCA "period" unconsciously sneak in to my writing. A thousand apologies for sloppy use of terminology. -Angela > Mike T. > > Angela Kovatch wrote: > > > But coffee *is* period ...if you're in the Middle > > East. (As is cotton) > > > > -Angela > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 10:15:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10283 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:15:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UFnpF17497; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:50:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UFm0e04885; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UFlIe04363 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:47:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDORICABDS00KVOX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:49:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDORIATXTO00KANC@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:49:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:43:48 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:43:11 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.84) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:43:08 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: [h-cost] First few pictures of Teddy's Coronation In-reply-to: <200201210359.g0L3xKR26583@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <282B89B28A1@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:43:08 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hello all I figure someone's bound to ask so here's the first few pictures that have been made web-ready..... http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/farisles/lst and pick the "coronation" folder. I didn't finish gthe new oufit, despite many late nights in a row, so wore my simplest, unadorned linen 15th century under the robe of state. White braes and shirt, oatmeal paltock/underdoublet thingy and lace-on straight sleeves with dark oliveish green seperate-leg hose. I'll finish the off white damask and velvet set for when i preside over May Revel Court - if i'm lucky.. The Ceremony went well, as did the feasts, fireworks and other celebrations, Court dragged on far too long as the world and his wife wanted to bring matters before the new King and/or shower him with gifts and there were a lot of visitors and ambasadors from other lands (including Karen Bergquist, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg and mel Wilson from h-costume). Unfortunately the fighters and archers got a raw-deal as the bad weather prevented the tourneys from taking place. But I got so many lovely, well thought-out Coronation gifts that I was in tears afterwards. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 10:18:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10310 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:18:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UFstF18401; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:54:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UFs1e10769; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UFoXe07469 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:50:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDORMK9B7K00J9MC@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:52:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDORM6RPGM00KANC@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:52:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:46:56 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:46:01 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.84) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:45:53 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fulled silk?!?! In-reply-to: <200201211817.g0LIHST26623@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <282C4A81C26@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:45:53 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I suspect the "fulling" might be due to the herringbone weave > rather than the fiber. I had some herringbone rayon suiting, and > when I washed it I got a thick, spongy fabric with no visible > herringbone. And I had the same thing happen with herringbone linen, of all things. The resultant fabric made a *lovely* tunic for a friend and it was so soft and springy I'm sorry I didn't use it for fitted hose instead Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 10:27:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10428 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:27:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UG4DF19576; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:04:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UG31e17358; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UG2Qe16916 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:02:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDOR81WVXC00JDJE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:40:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDOR7ZIIWG00KGFX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:40:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:35:29 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:35:06 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.84) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:35:02 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sue's fabric stash (WAS:Fulled silk?!?!) In-reply-to: <200201210359.g0L3xKR26583@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <28296167C34@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:35:02 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > And of course I'm keeping my pink wool and linen, so that someday I > can make that pink and orange outfit Teddy challenged me to do last > year (still looking for orange wool of a weight good for a > houpelande or surcoat, as the pink will be a fully lined Gothic > Fitted Gown (tm). The Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny strikes again! Yay! Teddy (back from Coronation - King now - on a *high* but brain-dead from lack of sleep and a couple of weeks behind with e-mails - especially h-cost digests!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 10:29:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10449 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:29:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UG5pF19769; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:05:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UG4Pe18358; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:04:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from marvin.nildram.co.uk (marvin.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0UG2fe17122 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:02:41 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200201301602.g0UG2fe17122@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 16984 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 16:02:40 -0000 Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by marvin.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 16:02:40 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] First few pictures of Teddy's Coronation From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [unknown] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:02:36 +0000 Status: RO Teddy wrote : > Hello all > > I figure someone's bound to ask so here's the first few pictures that > have been made web-ready..... > > http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/farisles/lst > > and pick the "coronation" folder. Make that the "Coronation - Phil" folder. The one labelled "Coronation - Jane", even when filled, will be much less garb-relevant. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 11:13:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10890 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:13:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UGo5F25097; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:50:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UGo0e16214; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UGnne16108 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:49:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip189.vanc10.pacifier.com [66.43.2.189]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0UGn2X11376 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:49:02 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] First few pictures of Teddy's Coronation Message-ID: <3C57B4D3.18802.D731EC4@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200201301602.g0UG2fe17122@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:54:43 -0800 Status: RO > Make that the "Coronation - Phil" folder. The one labelled >"Coronation - Jane", even when filled, will be much less garb- >relevant. Oh, but the pig is so cute. ;) Teddy looks soooo regal! Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 11:18:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10909 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:18:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UGs3F25542; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:54:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UGs1e18448; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20402.mail.yahoo.com (web20402.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.121]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0UGque17871 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:52:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020130165255.96571.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:52:55 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's she got on her head? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C55B402.6040603@tds.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:52:55 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Katie wrote: > On the page for head gear, it said I guess I should read the web page I asked you all to look at. I looked at every site I could find about Irish clothing months ago when I started the project, but I guess I wasn't paying attention to head decorations at that point. Then when I went back looking for a good copy of the picture, everything looked so familiar that I didn't bother to re-read it. The good news is that in the last few months my hair has grown just enough so that I think I can just barely pull off the braids over the top of the head look. -Angela that the young > ladies > wore ribbon wrapped around their heads... > > "They maydes weare on the forepart of their head > about > foure yards of coloured ribbon smoothly layd, and > theyre > owne hayre playted behind." > > I would guess the dots are "artistic license", when > the artist painted something was needed to "dress it > up". > *g* > > Heck I don't know, why do I take up bandwith on > stuff like > this? *L* > > Katie > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 13:22:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12333 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:22:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UIx4F11433; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:59:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UIx1e14786; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UIwFe14344 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:58:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.139] (pm4-139.eos.net [205.133.149.139]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24577 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:54:01 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201292037.g0TKb2T28948@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: veils and crowns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:51:47 -0500 Status: RO Thank you, Henk!!!!!! Crown OVER veil, crown OVER veil, crown OVER veil . . . why is that so hard a concept? In the SCA I am a baroness, so I wear a coronet. In the early years, when I was very casual about such things, I used to wear my coronet without a veil. Since centering on 14th and 15th century costumes, I always wear a veil. And it is MUCH more comfortable, for one thing. Also, it just looks a lot better. Crowns show up much better against veils, for one thing. Because I'm in the SCA I have costumes from other eras too, and sometimes the right head covering is dirty or lost or a crumpled ball of linen I forgot to iron. In that case, I wear the wrong head covering. It bothers me, but most people don't know the difference, and I'd rather have something on my head than nothing! You are right about the white belt, too. If our club is going to give a white belt for knights, there's nothing wrong with that. But then it ought to be a sword belt, or other appropriate belt for the costume. Not just a plain white belt stuck on top of whatever you already own. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 13:36:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12408 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:36:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UJBbF12946; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:11:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UJBAe22714; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:11:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UJAKe22159 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:10:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-221-251.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.221.251]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 4072B36B1C for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:10:15 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000501c1a9c1$ded27000$fbddf1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8ED3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <003701c1a54a$a15bde80$6401a8c0@home.com> <012801c1a7ed$18d3b560$32eaf1c3@henk> <009f01c1a81f$bf435cc0$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> <000001c1a8f3$077df8a0$4dcaf1c3@henk> <00f601c1a8f6$f744ffc0$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0189_01C1A9C4.41341120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:28:11 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0189_01C1A9C4.41341120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Dan, You wrote: They'll eventually get done, but my lady has asked that I not = finish them without her help since she wants to learn how to assemble them. And a useful excercise this is. Do you finish your medieval 'garb' by = hand? I have photos of the pourpoint. If I could get fabric to match = I'd be a happy person. :) I bet you'll be looking for a long time... ;-( If I could wear wool, that might be an option, but I can't so it's = not. :( Not any wool? F.i. 80 or 70 % wool and dralon etc the rest? Or lined = wool? Bummer! Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_0189_01C1A9C4.41341120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Dan,
 
You wrote:
    They'll eventually get done, but my lady has = asked that I not finish them
    without her help since = she wants to learn how to assemble them.

And a useful excercise this is. = Do you finish your medieval 'garb' by hand?
 

    I have photos of the pourpoint.  If I = could get fabric to match I'd be a
    happy person.  = :)
I bet you'll be looking for a long time... ;-(
 
    If I could wear wool, that might be an option, but I can't so it's not.  :(

Not any wool? F.i. 80 or 70 % wool and dralon etc the rest? Or lined wool? Bummer!
 
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_0189_01C1A9C4.41341120-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 14:58:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13175 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:58:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UKZ8F23305; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:35:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UKZ3e14204; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:35:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx01.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UKYde13947 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:34:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.189.99.56] (HELO [192.168.1.102]) by dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with ESMTP id 3049554 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:42:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: veils and crowns Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:34:38 -0500 Status: RO This reminds me of a link someone posted a while back, about how to wear veils and circlets to avoid what the author called "muffin-head." I lost the link, and would appreciate it if someone would post it or send it to me again. We may be selling our jewelry at a Ren Faire this fall so it's become more relevant to me than it was when it was posted. Thanks much! -Amanda Fisher _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 16:09:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13907 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:09:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ULj4F01822; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ULj1e25300; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ULiIe24883 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:44:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020130214414.HXMX26243.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:44:14 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: veils and crowns Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c5a6900.221115337@mail.attbi.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0ULiIe24883 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:44:23 GMT Status: RO On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:34:38 -0500, the following was written in this electric book by sustre@pixelations.com: >This reminds me of a link someone posted a while back, about how to >wear veils and circlets to avoid what the author called >"muffin-head." I lost the link, and would appreciate it if someone >would post it or send it to me again. We may be selling our jewelry >at a Ren Faire this fall so it's become more relevant to me than it >was when it was posted. http://www.virtue.to/articles/veils.html Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 16:41:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14491 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:41:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UMH9F05534; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:17:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UMH1e14160; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UMGce13927 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:16:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16W31w-000Jw8-0K for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:16:37 +0000 Message-ID: <57L8LsA2+GW8IwEh@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: what to do with long hair (was Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings References: <4.3.1.2.20020129125122.00d5c2e0@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020129125122.00d5c2e0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:12:06 +0000 Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote > >>I agree >> >>"Headcovering is so rare to find at events, but what irks me more than >>even that, >>are women who insist upon wearing their 16th c. French Hoods like modern alice >>bands, with their bangs hanging out front. Grrrr. It just looks... tacky. >>Another one is wearing crowns over hairsprayed hairdos... ::sigh::" > >I personally like my hair short, similar to the asymmetric thing in my >ASCII sig portrait. But I realized I had to grow it long if I wanted >to do historical with it. Wearing a wig over short hair, for >historical, is not an option for me, because wigs make me sweat in a >most unladylike manner. > >So I'm trying to design a hairdo which looks modern, for day to day, >with t-shirt and jeans, and is long enough to do period for Edwardian, >where all I am wearing on my head is hairpins and combs, indoors, and >can't cover up short hair. Wearing long hair fastened behind in a >bunch with a hair thing, mundanely, makes me look like an old Hippie >(which I am, but I don't want to emphasize that fact). Maybe a low >ponytail, like my (old Hippie/biker) Sweetie wears, but with a nice >hair thing because he's a guy and I'm not? > >Any advice here would be welcome. > >Kayta Have you tried a hairpiece? I was helping a fellow performer with hers in a show a few years ago, and I can't now remember exactly how it fixed, but I know the first step was to get her hair into a ponytail, which was about an inch long - she had a very short bob. If you can get the short side of your hair into a pony with the long side, a hairpiece would just fill it out and then you can style it up and around. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 16:46:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14593 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:46:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UMN4F06200; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:23:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UMN1e17673; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (2xtreme.net [209.63.222.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0UMMle17488 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:22:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 27719 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 22:22:43 -0000 Received: from 66-81-68-95-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.68.95) by 2xtreme.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 22:22:43 -0000 Message-ID: <3C552619.7D527FF5@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone on the list do Janet Arnold-style grid patterns? References: <20020129034206.77169.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:21:13 -0800 Status: RO Well personally what I do is just drape a new pattern using the JA's as a guide. It's a long simpler and less fussy than adjusting a period pattern to fit a modern body. I did have one friend that was so small that I had to take in any period pattern I used on her. But that doesn't happen very often. Stephen carol wrote: > > Hello Stephen > Any advice on how to modify those JA patterns for a > larger size ? > thanks > Carol > > ===== > ....you cease to mourn the morning when you celebrate the night ..... > > "The night summons like an unquenched love, beckoning with the promise of dark desires." > > "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in to it" ... Oscar Wilde > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 17:21:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15020 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:21:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0UMv4F09704; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:57:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UMv0e06555; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UMuhe06390 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:56:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-117.frys.com [66.121.20.117]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0UMulg30615 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:56:48 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020130143509.00bfba70@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: what to do with long hair (was Re: [h-cost] Head-coverings In-Reply-To: <57L8LsA2+GW8IwEh@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> References: <4.3.1.2.20020129125122.00d5c2e0@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020129125122.00d5c2e0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:55:41 -0800 Status: RO >Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote >I personally like my hair short, similar to the asymmetric thing in my >ASCII sig portrait. But I realized I had to grow it long if I wanted to >do historical with it. Wearing a wig over short hair, for historical, is >not an option for me, because wigs make me sweat in a most unladylike manner. >> >>So I'm trying to design a hairdo which looks modern, for day to day, >Have you tried a hairpiece? I was helping a fellow performer with hers in >a show a few years ago, and I can't now remember exactly how it fixed, but >I know the first step was to get her hair into a ponytail, which was about >an inch long - she had a very short bob. If you can get the short side of >your hair into a pony with the long side, a hairpiece would just fill it >out and then you can style it up and around. Hadn't thought about hairpieces. My salt-and-pepper hair colour could be re-created if I combined two hairpieces, one grey and one brown. The trouble is it has to be long at both sides for 1850's, and be long in back for 1890-1910. The wonderful asymmetrical cut just wouldn't do this. My hair is long in back right now, and in a low ponytail which hangs about a foot down my back. The sides are just long enough to tuck behind my ears, still growing out from my last haircut (which did away with the asymmetry, but left me with it short in front). Maybe I could use the hairpiece idea to add a modern touch to a simple long haircut. There are plenty of different shapes of hairpieces available these days, even at those giant drug stores. Maybe I could accomplish the asymmetry with one of them, suitably colour matched or non-real blue. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 18:30:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15804 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:30:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0V067F16822; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:06:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V061e17477; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V059e16978 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:05:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA308EC01C4; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:05:04 -0600 Message-ID: <001e01c1a9ea$c5873b20$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <28021005729@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disapointment :-( X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:03:53 -0500 Status: RO Well Teddy....... did you take the Teddy Fan Club Color Test? We had so much fun with it on the list? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 18:39:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15901 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:39:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0V0G4F17862; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:16:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V0G0e22948; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V0FKe22685 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:15:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC916E100FC; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:15:13 -0600 Message-ID: <002301c1a9ec$2f510760$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <282B89B28A1@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] First few pictures of Teddy's Coronation X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:13:59 -0500 Status: RO So Teddy, who is who in the photos? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 20:15:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17074 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:15:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0V1p5F25082; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:51:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V1p1e29767; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V1ohe29678 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:50:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.134] (as3-4-148.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.134]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0V1oiQ02537 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:50:44 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020130050852.00d64e50@mail.frys.com> References: <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> <4.3.1.2.20020130050852.00d64e50@mail.frys.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:51:59 -0800 Status: RO At 5:11 AM -0800 1/30/02, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >>That one's still around... My mom gets quite bent out of shape if I wear my >>hair down, because, according to her, "a lady above a certain age" (about >>16, I think) should either cut her hair short (shorter than shoulder >>length) or wear it up. I've got hair to the middle of my back, and wear it >>any number of ways -- usually braided or clipped back in a barette, but >>sometimes in a chignon. She was born in 1944, and had her debut when she >>was 16, in Birmingham AL, so... > >I was born in 1949, and I remember that even in California. I think >it's Medieval, except the part about cutting it short. These days >it seems to be more OK for women to wear their hair down, and I see >some pretty long grey hair walking around on women older than I am. > Even the "cutting it short" part is medieval if you consider it the equivalent of joining a religious order (which sometimes involved cutting the hair short, although you couldn't see it under the headgear). Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 20:33:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17419 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:33:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0V285F25988; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:08:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V281e04835; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V27ne04764 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:07:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27270 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p5.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.133]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA09110 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:07:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201310207.VAA09110@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:08:30 -0500 Status: RO At 11:14 PM 01/29/2002 -0500, you wrote:
I love distressing [theatre word] or teching [movie word] costumes. It's like make up for clothes. It should have logic and tell a story. Y'know....Oh, she wipes her hands on hips a lot. Look, her cuffs have been snagged and run through the muck several times. She sits on the ground in that skirt a lot. She's been scrubbing the floor on her knees, look at the water stains. She's been outdoors a long time, the shoulders and back are faded......

It is fun. It's like creating a back story.

Yep... that's what I was trying to keep in mind for this jacket; wear on the elbows and cuffs, and where you'd wipe your hands on the front/sides.  A bit of wear on the shoulders where one might have a haversack strap... <g>  I tried not to overdo it with the patches (three, not very obtrusive -- one on the elbow in dark red wool, another on the cuff in brown linen, a third in an almost but not quite matching green wool on the front bottom hem).  I don't want the patches and grime to be immediately obvious so much as subtle and "there".  Too immediately visible wouldn't look natural.

Now I need to decide what, if anything, to do to my petticoats.  The top one is charcoal grey, so it hides stains pretty well...

-- Mara
_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 20:34:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17441 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:34:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0V2A5F26118; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:10:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V2A1e05437; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V29Ie05251 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:09:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27426 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p5.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.133]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA09177 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:09:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201310209.VAA09177@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket In-Reply-To: <3C578C6A.AE556FA8@in-tch.com> References: <200201300225.VAA13453@saltmine.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:09:58 -0500 Status: RO At 11:02 PM 01/29/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Hey, nice job, but there's something wonderfully quirky about seeing it >worn over a pair of blue jeans >--Sue, who has JP's stays pattern, and who is taking another class from >her later this spring.... Thanks! I sometimes wear my red 17th c. jacket over blue jeans, so... :D -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 22:12:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18572 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:12:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0V3n7F02429; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:49:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V3n0e05044; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V3mke04981 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:48:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16W8DP-0000jr-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:48:47 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200201300225.VAA13453@saltmine.radix.net> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:51:49 -0500 Status: RO Where can I purchase this pattern? I like the jacket, and I can't find the links to 5 Rivers or a couple of the other places that might have it. -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kevin + Mara Riley Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:26 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket I just finished a new 18th c. wool jacket, using J.P. Ryan's new ladies' jackets pattern: http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/MVC-005F.JPG http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/MVC-010F.JPG The pics aren't the best, due to lighting (inside, at night), and I'm not wearing the rest of my kit, so it's not the full effect. You can't see it, but I just spent the evening artificially distressing it, so the jacket looks a bit more like something a campfollower might wear. There's something perverse about making a wonderful new garment, then getting it grimy (with mineral oil and soot, etc.). Hard to do, but once I got started, strangely fun. Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 23:08:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19144 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:08:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0V4i5F06153; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V4i0e22345; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V4hpe22317 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:43:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-64-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.64]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0V4hro16506 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:43:54 -0500 Message-ID: <008501c1aa12$a3726140$40882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <3C56E2BC.5080408@tds.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headcoverings...was 14th Century Cote and Gown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:49:15 -0500 Status: RO and...well... now that I'm making a veil, I thought I just needed a new gown to go with it....;-) Moira > Okay so basicly since I am an old woman ;) I should > have my head covered anyway. *L* Okay I can live with > that, it gives me an excuse to go to the fabric store. > *L* > > "Honey, going to the fabric store need veil material." > Vaaarrrooommm!!! > > Katie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 23:11:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19165 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:11:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0V4m5F06402; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:48:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V4m0e23606; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V4l6e23329 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:47:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-64-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.64]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0V4l8o60632 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:47:08 -0500 Message-ID: <009601c1aa13$17824b40$40882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <3C56FD13.F10D0DBF@flash.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:52:30 -0500 Status: RO OOC, where in the US is it used? I've only heard it said by people from the UK as far as I can remember. Moira > > This isn't specifically Irish - "wonky" is a British Isles colloquialism for "faulty" or "lopsided", and, as others have pointed out, "fringe" (in the singular) is the normal term here and in Australia. > > "Wonky" is also used in the US. > > --Charlene > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 30 23:38:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19388 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:38:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0V5F6F07904; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:15:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V5F1e00969; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V5E6e00683 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:14:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m158.in-tch.com [216.166.191.158]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0V52cT13293 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:02:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C58D3A8.A0B266CD@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:18:32 -0700 Status: RO Here's JP's website: http://www.jpryan.com/ Lots of way-cool stuff. Also, she teaches classes through Penny's website (which is how I came into contact with her). If you're interested, click on this: http://www.costumeclassroom.com/ and then go to the instructors, and then to JP Ryan....she's got a couple of classes coming up later this year. One is on the ladies' caraco jacket, and the other is on the pet-en-l'air (aka Robe a la Francaise). Completely yummy looking. --Sue "Megan M." wrote: > > Where can I purchase this pattern? I like the jacket, and I can't find the > links to 5 Rivers or a couple of the other places that might have it. > -Megan > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 02:15:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17230 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:15:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0V7q6F14909; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:52:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V7q0e09046; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V7pJe08867 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:51:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A7746002EE; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:51:16 -0600 Message-ID: <01da01c1aa2b$bbfcb120$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3C58D3A8.A0B266CD@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:48:54 -0500 Status: RO Thanks Sue for the plug. Janice has just added the pet-en-l'air (aka Robe a la Francaise) class starting June 4. I have also added some photos of the costumes to the class description webpage. Janice provides a concise history of the garment on this webpage. It is very interesting reading. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket > Here's JP's website: > http://www.jpryan.com/ > Lots of way-cool stuff. > Also, she teaches classes through Penny's website (which is how I came > into contact with her). If you're interested, click on this: > http://www.costumeclassroom.com/ > and then go to the instructors, and then to JP Ryan....she's got a > couple of classes coming up later this year. One is on the ladies' > caraco jacket, and the other is on the pet-en-l'air (aka Robe a la > Francaise). Completely yummy looking. > --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 05:09:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA19167 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 05:09:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VAj8F20087; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 03:45:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VAj1e25466; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 03:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VAipe25418 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 03:44:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A02198F00A8; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:44:49 -0600 Message-ID: <024401c1aa43$d1656b20$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 05:41:18 -0500 Status: RO Oh, Mara, I love the back of the jacket!!! I found your original message. I was thinking last night that I would love a men's justaucorp coat to wear for everyday. I just love that style. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 06:09:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19728 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:09:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VBk7F21591; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:46:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VBk1e06148; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20302.mail.yahoo.com (web20302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.83]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0VBjpe06125 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:45:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020131114556.71503.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.111.163] by web20302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 03:45:56 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headcoverings...was 14th Century Cote and Gown To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <008501c1aa12$a3726140$40882d41@ccc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 03:45:56 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Heather wrote: > and...well... now that I'm making a veil, I thought > I just needed a new gown to go with it....;-) > Moira Of course you do! Absolutely! You need it and you deserve it! Ok, now it's your turn to tell me that I clearly _need_ a (mundane)cobalt blue silk blouse to wear with my new hair sticks: carved fake ivory with cobalt blue glass beads. By the way, I too am getting a new veil. I bought a lovely piece of China silk...new veil for me, new veil for Lady Elizabeth (the doll with more garb than me) and enough left over for a couple of squares. I am constructing an all-white-and-ivory silk-and-lace-patchwork skirt for a baby's christening gown. No particular baby in mind -- I just love making baby clothes and then I search for someone to sell them to or donate them to charity. (My 3 kids are done reproducing!) I'm sure other Mad Seamstresses understand. ;-) However,(back to veils) my "Achilles' heel" as a seamstress is the rolled hem. Can anyone direct me to a site which shows clear directions? (It's a lot like cooking. I think I'm really good, but then there will be some ridiculously simple thing I can't do: I can make a Beef Wellington to bring tears to the angels, but I make the worst fried chicken in the Western World...makes me feel like a total failure as an American!) Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. But if this is tea, why then please bring me some coffee." --Abraham Lincoln __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 06:21:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19828 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:21:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VBw7F21878; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:58:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VBw0e08069; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VBvXe07994 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:57:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p4-nas5.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.209.4]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id AAA02084 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:57:35 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.ihug.co.nz: Host p4-nas5.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.209.4] claimed to be user Message-ID: <000f01c1aa4e$898a5580$04d1adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <3C55A01B.7080106@tds.net> <3C55BD85.30403@earthlink.net> <00d901c1a8da$a03be020$b2d61840@bently> <3C5736C3.4090000@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Foot shape study MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:57:56 +1300 Status: RO > >>I have 4 toes all the same length, then this poor little smidge of a > >>little toe. Buying shoes is fun... > >> > >Buying shoes is the bane of my existence! Have you found any types that > >actually fit feet like ours? me too! I have .. hmm. not really little, not really short.. just not not long enough feet;) Size 7 1/2 multiples and I;m 5'7".. and they only widen at the base of the toes, very high instep, highish arches and a big toe that is nearly 1cm longer than the longest little toe and then the next toe is set back, then the next from that.. until you get to the teeeny little toe that pokes out of sandles it's set so far back. Good shape for dancing though;) michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 06:40:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19992 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:40:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VCH7F22449; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 05:17:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VCH0e11406; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 05:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VCGpe11366 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 05:16:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p4-nas5.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.209.4]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id BAA03201 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:16:54 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.ihug.co.nz: Host p4-nas5.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.209.4] claimed to be user Message-ID: <004801c1aa51$3cc682c0$04d1adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Sort of OT:PHantom Costume RIng updated Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:17:21 +1300 Status: RO Hello all. Phantom of the Opera is set in the 1880s, and the ALW musical uses historical costumes, but in a modern way.. hence the slight OT. I just uploaded a completely new overhauled Phantom Costume Resourses page, incorporating The Masque, the costume web ring I run. http://frazzledfrau.tripod.com/phantom/index.htm All links just recently checked by me, but a few probably slipped through the net on the Miscellaneous page, and I need to tidy a bit here and there. The links are primarily to pages of recreations of the costumes, but I do have a list of links to actually costumes worn in the show. Two exhibitions so far and the odd "costume in the background" pics. I know I do not have all the sites out there, so if I have missed you, please email me at with the site and what it is about. I will continue to search myself, but the job will be so much easier if you let me know. I'm thinking of extending it to incorporate Moulin Rouge costumes.. being equally theatrical and parallel to Phantom (Paris, Belle Epoque, singers, love triangle type situation...) it wouldn't be to the full extent, and not a poor cousin to the Phantom aspect, but a sister ring. Anyone interested? Also of course really good sites on 1880s fashion would be a big help. I'm working on that section, but will upload it later.. what is there now is what most people using the web ring are wanting:) michaela http://recital.tripod.com/costume/phantom.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 08:20:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21037 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:20:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VDv8F26145; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:57:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VDv0e04599; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VDuIe04414 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:56:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m4.in-tch.com [216.166.191.4]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0VDiqT13124 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:44:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C594E0E.8BDC0C19@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket References: <024401c1aa43$d1656b20$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:00:46 -0700 Status: RO I agree. It'd work beautifully as a kind of funky blazer/jacket thing...you could wear over all sorts of modern clothing. --Sue Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Oh, Mara, I love the back of the jacket!!! I found your original message. > > I was thinking last night that I would love a men's justaucorp coat to wear > for everyday. I just love that style. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 08:23:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21096 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:23:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VE07F26351; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:00:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VE01e05538; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VDxOe05256 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:59:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m4.in-tch.com [216.166.191.4]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0VDlvT13831 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:47:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C594EC8.EF1C2807@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings] References: <3C56FD13.F10D0DBF@flash.net> <009601c1aa13$17824b40$40882d41@ccc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:03:52 -0700 Status: RO I'm almost as far from the UK as one can get, and still be in the U.S. (Missoula, in NW Montana, a couple hours south of the Canadian border), and I've heard it used here, although not commonly. --sue Heather wrote: > > OOC, where in the US is it used? I've only heard it said by people from the > UK as far as I can remember. > Moira > > > > This isn't specifically Irish - "wonky" is a British Isles colloquialism > for "faulty" or "lopsided", and, as others have pointed out, "fringe" (in > the singular) is the normal term here and in Australia. > > > > "Wonky" is also used in the US. > > > > --Charlene > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 09:27:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21866 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:27:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VF4CF00575; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:04:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VF41e25135; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web11502.mail.yahoo.com (web11502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0VF30e24789 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:03:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020131150304.48286.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.54.226.52] by web11502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:03:04 PST From: Megan Irvine To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] new eBay listing--1940s vintage-look suit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:03:04 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > After a brief hiatus from eBay, I just listed a new item today. If > interested please check it out/tell your friends. I am a new eBayer > and trying to build up my rating. I still have quite a way to go. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1698768692 > > Thanks. > > mirv ===== Megan Irvine http://www.geocities.com/mirv_sewing/ http://www.darkthreads.com/ Adventure can be real happiness.--Fortune Cookie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 10:05:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22278 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:05:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VFg7F04087; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:42:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VFg1e11671; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VFfEe11251 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:41:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDQ5LGJYV400K23N@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:43:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDQ5LC8CT800IV6E@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:43:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:37:52 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:37:04 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.161) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:36:58 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British In-reply-to: <200201220434.g0M4Y5T06786@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <29A9F27256D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:36:58 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > At 08:13 AM 1/21/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Baked beans? For breakfast? How completely _weird_ > >--Sue, refraining from saying "eeeuuuuuw"...... (although the > >tomatoes and mushrooms sound nummy ;-) > > > Odd, why would the time of day affect the taste of food? I dunno... I'm in the likes baked beans for breakfast, but only on buttered toast, not on the plate with the fry-up where they make the chips(that's fries to the Americans ofn the list) soggy and inedible, but whilst I like Branflakes(A breakfast cerial) at most times of day they taste much better in the middle of the night. Food can be appealing when combined or not combined with different things - jelly (or jello, I think Americans call it, what you call "jelly", we call "jam" in England) and ice-cream, for instnace. I'm fond of both, but find I can't eat them if they've both been put together in the same bowl - it's just *revolting* served like that. So I can happily accept that food tastes different to particular people at different times of day. Some people think my fondness for re- heated left-over beef-curry sandwitches for breakfast is peculiar, but would happily help me eat them at lunch or supper time, others would happily join me eating them at breakfast, others refuse to have anything to do with them at any time even if they ordinarily *like* curry. Teddy (lifelong "awkward bugger" when it comes to food. If it doesn't have 4 legs and run around a farmyard, field or piece of woodland, it's not likely to be considered edible by me) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 10:21:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22450 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:21:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VFwGF05537; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:58:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VFw0e19211; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VFvHe18845 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:57:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.62.1a24d9a0 (3927) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:57:16 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <62.1a24d9a0.298ac35b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:57:15 EST Status: RO In a message dated 31/1/02 9:43:12 AM, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes: << "jelly", we call "jam" in England >> Speaking of which, (a) we have jam, jelly and preserves not to mention conserves compotes and (b) what's the American equivelant of a "jam tart"? I've heard of them but keep getting this mental image that is totally unappetizing. Thanks, Lady G Who ate peanut butter and jelly/jam sandwiches on 3 plates until she hit school age. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 10:29:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22535 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:29:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VG48F06184; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:04:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VG41e22237; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VG3He21872 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:03:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDQ6DWZMO000JI44@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:05:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDQ6DWDNIY00IV6E@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:05:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:00:06 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:59:10 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.161) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:59:04 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] First few pictures of Teddy's Coronation In-reply-to: <200201310753.g0V7r9e09317@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <29AFD6D396B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:59:04 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > So Teddy, who is who in the photos? I'm the one in the long red cloak witht he "ermine" shoulder-cape and the crown on my head.... Tom is the bishop (wearing the mitre) putting the crown there. Gillian is the lady in the blue tunic with yellow undertunic, her daughter Kethry is the little girl in the black and silver gown (which I see she had unfastened up the front of the bodice and not refastened for the photos (poor girl thought it was all over when the ceremony finished and wanted to get changed into a lighter dress, then found out about the photo session...) I didn't finish the farthingale to go under it so she wore it without. Liss ais the girl in the green Elizabethan with red forepart and undersleeves that her husband Phil (green velvet doublet hodling baby Alex) made her last year just as she became pregnant so this is her first wearing of the finished outfit.... As she lost weight rather than gaining it while pregnant and hasn't gained it back since, it's now too big for her (as you can see by the looseness of the bodice) Phil had time to take in the corset but not the bodice. Erm.... I'm also the one with the stupid grin, in the glasses wearing the long green houpellande with the dagged sleeves and displaying a badly ripped shirtsleeve. Karen Bergquist and Danielle Nunn Weinberg are the girls draped either side of Raedwulf, danielle in the kirtle she made between arriving at my house and us setting out for the event, Karen in one of the several variations on her Elizabethan that she managed to pack (including farthingale and accessories) in an increadibly small vacuume-shrunk bag to bring over from Chicago. Any others you wnat to know about give details and I'll answer if I can.... Teddy (briefly skipping ahead to more recent messages rather than wait the few weeks it might take to catch up on the backlog) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 10:37:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22604 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:37:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VGEAF07110; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:14:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VGE0e27030; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VGDae26823 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:13:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDQ6QN1NWW00LO06@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:15:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDQ6QIHES200KZZF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:15:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:10:16 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:09:44 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.161) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:09:40 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] First few pictures of Teddy's Coronation In-reply-to: <200201301902.g0UJ2Xe17255@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <29B2A90675C@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:09:40 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Make that the "Coronation - Phil" folder. The one labelled "Coronation > - Jane", even when filled, will be much less garb-relevant. Hey Jane! When did you subscribe to h-costume? BTW, folks, Jane's in some of the pictures too - look in the crowd around me on the throne. Jane, our Alderman, is the one in the dgged-edged blue, pink and grey houpellande with light yellow undergown showing in the neckline and sleeves.... she's wearing a truncated henin and wired veil... and she had an active and tiring weekend despite not being well. The Coronation feast on Saturday night was sumptuous and superb. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 11:02:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22905 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:02:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VGcFF09835; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:38:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VGc1e10304; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VGbse10233 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:37:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDQ7KQUQA800KCO6@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:40:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDQ7KF2EBU00KOBE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:40:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:34:37 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:34:20 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.161) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:34:14 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Toddler Tunics In-reply-to: <200201221901.g0MJ1iT27864@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <29B93845C1A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:34:14 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > A friend's son (who must be about 14 now) came to events in skirts > until he was around four or five and "old enough" to have trunk-hose > and doublets.... His outgrwn stuff was used by his little sister > (including his first skirted doublet which had anels of contrasting > fabric added like guards around the bottom to make them full-length > skirts on her...) > > I've not really seen him since they moved away when he was > seven, but I don't think it's done him any harm to be properly > dressed for events as a toddler. He's coming to my coronation at the > weekend, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what sort of a > teenagers he and his sister have become. Well, you cn see them both in the photos I previously posted the URL for. - The ones of me with all the children sitting in front have these two at the left hand side of the picture wearing (and this was the big surprizfor me) their parents' old garb, now that they've grown enough to fit in it! It was so great to see them aagain and they said they would nag their mother into coming to more events again. Yaaaay! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 11:23:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23255 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:23:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VH0AF12350; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:00:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VH01e22580; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VGxUe22230 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:59:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.135.898abfc (16931) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:59:21 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <135.898abfc.298ad1e8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_135.898abfc.298ad1e8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:59:20 EST Status: RO --part1_135.898abfc.298ad1e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/02 10:59:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, LadyGryphon@aol.com writes: > Lady G > Who ate peanut butter and jelly/jam sandwiches on 3 plates until she hit > school age. > And who now eats a totally disgusting thing called nutter butters made with marshmallow whip and peanut butter. Makes my teeth hurt to think about it. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_135.898abfc.298ad1e8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/02 10:59:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, LadyGryphon@aol.com writes:


Lady G
Who ate peanut butter and jelly/jam sandwiches on 3 plates until she hit
school age.

      And who now eats a totally disgusting thing called nutter butters made with marshmallow whip and peanut butter.  Makes my teeth hurt to think about it.

Lalah
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--part1_135.898abfc.298ad1e8_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 11:29:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23340 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:29:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VH69F13052; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:06:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VH61e26029; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VH5Re25632 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:05:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.66.1b4054df (4587) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:05:21 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <66.1b4054df.298ad350@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:05:20 EST Status: RO In a message dated 31/1/02 11:00:55 AM, LalahTT@aol.com writes: << And who now eats a totally disgusting thing called nutter butters made with marshmallow whip and peanut butter >> That's FlufferNutter's and They are Yummiest! AND I don't even use a plate for them because they don't last long enough to use one! Grinningly, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 11:37:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23580 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:37:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VHEAF13806; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:14:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VHE2e00494; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VHD7e29809 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:13:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-0763.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.15.1]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0VHDCb14948 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:13:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3C597B1C.5DBF6F49@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings] References: <3C56FD13.F10D0DBF@flash.net> <009601c1aa13$17824b40$40882d41@ccc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:13:00 -0600 Status: RO Heather wrote: > OOC, where in the US is it used? I've only heard it said by people from the > UK as far as I can remember. > Moira I was raised in South Carolina and have lived in Maine and Texas. Not sure where I picked it up. My friends in Texas know the term. --Charlene -- A house without books is like a room without windows. -- Horace Mann ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 11:37:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23592 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:37:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VHEMF13838; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:14:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VHEFe00607; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:14:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VHDke00291 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:13:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.7d.2188d487 (16931) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:13:37 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.2188d487.298ad540@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7d.2188d487.298ad540_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:13:36 EST Status: RO --part1_7d.2188d487.298ad540_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/02 12:06:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, LadyGryphon@aol.com writes: > That's FlufferNutter's Whatever -- they still sound like they would glue my mouth shut (not a bad idea at that). Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_7d.2188d487.298ad540_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/02 12:06:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, LadyGryphon@aol.com writes:


That's FlufferNutter's


      Whatever -- they still sound like they would glue my mouth shut (not a bad idea at that).

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--part1_7d.2188d487.298ad540_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 11:40:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23647 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:40:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VHHDF14180; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:17:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VHH1e02191; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VHGIe01767 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:16:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-0763.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.15.1]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0VHGMf100016 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:16:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3C597BD9.20D403A@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British References: <62.1a24d9a0.298ac35b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:16:09 -0600 Status: RO LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > conserves compotes and (b) what's the American equivelant of a "jam tart"? > I've heard of them but keep getting this mental image that is totally > unappetizing. Out of curiosity, I did a quick search at Google. The first hit was a Greek recipe site. :) http://www.greekcuisine.com/new/detail.html?RecipeID=126 --Charlene -- A house without books is like a room without windows. -- Horace Mann ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 11:40:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23673 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:40:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VHHQF14203; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:17:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VHHIe02343; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:17:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VHGae01942 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:16:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.95.16cbe3d3 (4587) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:16:33 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <95.16cbe3d3.298ad5f1@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:16:33 EST Status: RO In a message dated 31/1/02 11:15:39 AM, LalahTT@aol.com writes: << they still sound like they would glue my mouth shut >> Just so long as they don't glue your fingers together >snicker< Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 11:50:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27777 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:50:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VHR7F15218; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:27:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VHR0e07913; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VHQFe07471 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:26:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p46.directcon.net [209.79.209.95]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA03820 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:24:41 -0800 Message-Id: <200201311724.JAA03820@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:24:41 -0800 Status: RO At 11:13 AM 01/31/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Heather wrote: > >> OOC, where in the US is it used? I've only heard it said by people from the >> UK as far as I can remember. >> I use it, but I may have picked it up from British movies, books, or possibly from our British list members. Anyway, it's a great and useful word. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 11:55:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27811 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:55:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VHWAF15801; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:32:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VHW2e10876; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VHW0e10838 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p46.directcon.net [209.79.209.95]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA03661 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:30:27 -0800 Message-Id: <200201311730.JAA03661@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:30:27 -0800 Status: RO At 11:16 AM 01/31/2002 -0600, you wrote: >LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > >> conserves compotes and (b) what's the American equivelant of a "jam tart"? I've made tarts using a sweetened pie crust shell, with strawberry jam filling. they're yummy. You know those Perrridge Farm fruit filled cookies? Like that! Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 11:59:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27863 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:59:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VHa7F16319; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:36:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VHa0e13195; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VHZce12977 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:35:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.18f.2a73373 (4587) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:35:36 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <18f.2a73373.298ada65@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:35:33 EST Status: RO In a message dated 31/1/02 11:33:11 AM, Margo@margospatterns.com writes: << You know those Perrridge Farm fruit filled cookies? Like that! >> Oh now I see. I just had this mental image of a grape jelly pie and the resultant goo. EWWWW! Melted jelly soaked crust glued to the pie pan. So they're more like tarts than pie. I can deal with that. Thanks, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 12:37:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28206 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:37:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VID9F20960; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:13:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VID1e04946; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VICbe04691 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:12:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.10c.c29b289 (24899) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:12:35 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <10c.c29b289.298ae30e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10c.c29b289.298ae30e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:12:30 EST Status: RO --part1_10c.c29b289.298ae30e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/2002 8:57:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: > I agree. It'd work beautifully as a kind of funky blazer/jacket > thing...you could wear over all sorts of modern clothing. > Ahhhhh....I remember about a million years ago [well, 1979] a beautiful girl in the drama department of my college, Julie, used to borrow things from us costume majors to wear out on the town. She was particularly fond [as was I] of a mid 1890s bodice with jeans. The fancy fabrics, ornaments and leg-o-mutton sleeves looks great with the "casual" jeans. Sorta anticipating Versaci [did I spell his name right?] evening wear. --part1_10c.c29b289.298ae30e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/2002 8:57:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes:


I agree.  It'd work beautifully as a kind of funky blazer/jacket
thing...you could wear over all sorts of modern clothing.


Ahhhhh....I remember about a million years ago [well, 1979] a beautiful girl in the drama department of my college, Julie, used to borrow things from us costume majors to wear out on the town. She was particularly fond [as was I] of a mid 1890s bodice with jeans. The fancy fabrics, ornaments and leg-o-mutton sleeves looks great with the "casual" jeans. Sorta anticipating Versaci [did I spell his name right?] evening wear. --part1_10c.c29b289.298ae30e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 12:40:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28244 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:40:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VIGAF21258; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:16:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VIG1e06717; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VIFWe06403 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:15:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDQAZUR3CW00HLF5@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:17:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDQAZNNA1Q00IKVP@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:17:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:12:10 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:11:58 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.161) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:11:54 +0000 From: Teddy In-reply-to: <200201240705.g0O755T26384@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <29D341B0DC9@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] 65000aDrug therapyvnurses' instruction Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:11:54 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I think much of it is is based on the chakras.Yellow is the color > of your solar plexus chakra and is for happines, growth optimism, > etc. people who are depressed would be afriad or disinclined > towards yellow in particular. Yellow is good for curiosity, > learning, getting your juices going both learning and stomach. Sorry Deb, but I think that' a load of dingo's kidneys. I've always worn yellow, even back int he bad old days when I was depressed to the point of attempting suicide. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 12:53:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28394 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:53:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VIUBF22837; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:30:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VIU2e15022; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VITHe14484 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:29:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.189.2ad4048 (24899) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:29:14 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <189.2ad4048.298ae6f5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_189.2ad4048.298ae6f5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:29:09 EST Status: RO --part1_189.2ad4048.298ae6f5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/2002 1:15:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > Of course, she looked better in it than I did. Badda-bing! --part1_189.2ad4048.298ae6f5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/2002 1:15:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes:


She was particularly fond [as was I] of a mid 1890s bodice with jeans.


Of course, she looked better in it than I did.


Badda-bing! --part1_189.2ad4048.298ae6f5_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 13:16:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28730 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:16:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VIrAF25564; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:53:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VIr1e28417; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VIq3e27882 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:52:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDQCA6TH7400JI44@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:54:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDQCA6CT8Y00JKFJ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:54:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:48:53 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:48:08 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.161) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:48:08 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] colour test thingy... In-reply-to: <200201310753.g0V7r9e09317@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <29DCE6F3994@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:48:07 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Well Teddy....... did you take the Teddy Fan Club Color Test? We > had so much fun with it on the list? So I'm just getting to see.... I took it and it was completely wrong about me (and the choise of shades was awful) Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, King of the Far-Isles, part-time Knave, Creature of air and darkness, and Hairdresser of Death apparently!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 13:17:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28744 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:17:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VIs8F25674; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:54:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VIs0e28985; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VIrse28917 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:53:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-1394.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.11.124]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0VIs0o227532 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:54:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3C5992AF.EF67C45C@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] bra-fitters Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:53:35 -0600 Status: RO I was searching for an article at NPR's website and came across this: http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/newyorkworks/newyorkworks.html It's a series on vanishing jobs in New York. They interviewed a lady whose family has been in the undergarmet business since the late 19th century. --Charlene -- A house without books is like a room without windows. -- Horace Mann ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 13:23:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28809 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:23:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VJ0EF26434; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:00:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VJ06e02635; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:00:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f12.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VIxIe02085 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:59:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:59:18 -0800 Received: from 65.67.61.119 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:59:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.67.61.119] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2002 18:59:18.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[62C9AC30:01C1AA89] Subject: [h-cost] question re: fabric conflict Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:59:18 Status: RO A friend was telling me that something about wool damages cotton? She was saying that she has a wool garment where certain sections of the lining are linen, and others are cotton. The linen looks brand new, while the cotton is almost completely destroyed. While asking some "local experts", she was told that something in the wool damages the cotton fibers. Has anyone else had experience with this? Thanks in advance, Mary/Katerine _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 13:35:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28925 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:35:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VJB9F27745; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:11:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VJB1e08858; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VJAHe08476 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:10:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.184.2ef336a (4324) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:10:13 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <184.2ef336a.298af093@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bra-fitters To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:10:11 EST Status: RO In a message dated 31/1/02 12:54:48 PM, charlene@flash.net writes: << They interviewed a lady whose family has been in the undergarmet business since the late 19th century. >> Lucille's out on LI is still there and she does outstanding work. She made or adjusted a dozen bras for me over the 5 years I was out there. Her daughter Dorothy is her partner and Dot's daughter Sara is learning the trade from Mom and Grandma. Corsetiers beat bra shops hands down. It's had to believe (especially in NY) that real bra fitters/makers are dying out. I sent so many friends (both male and female) out there I used to get a discount on all the work they did. On a side note-does anyone know where you can get Felina bras (Gabrielle prefered) for under $38 each? They are the closest to the custom jobs I've been able to find and they actually LAST. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 13:56:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29174 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:56:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VJX9F00143; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:33:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VJX1e20705; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VJWJe20345 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:32:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-49-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.49]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0VJWPc117822 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:32:25 -0500 Message-ID: <007801c1aa8e$c3f250c0$31882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <66.1b4054df.298ad350@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:37:48 -0500 Status: RO MMMM, even better than peanut butter and banana sandwich! Moira who grew up hating pb&j, but loves plain peanut butter sandwiches. > << And who now eats a totally disgusting thing called nutter butters made > with marshmallow whip and peanut butter >> > > That's FlufferNutter's and They are Yummiest! AND I don't even use a plate > for them because they don't last long enough to use one! > Grinningly, > Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 14:00:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29209 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:00:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VJZXF00342; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:35:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VJZPe21744; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:35:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VJWOe20384 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:32:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020131193225.XQV3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:32:25 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] question re: fabric conflict Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c6296a4.298335283@mail.attbi.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0VJWOe20384 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:32:38 GMT Status: RO On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:59:18, the following was written in this electric book by "Mary Temple" : >A friend was telling me that something about wool damages cotton? She was >saying that she has a wool garment where certain sections of the lining are >linen, and others are cotton. The linen looks brand new, while the cotton is >almost completely destroyed. While asking some "local experts", she was told >that something in the wool damages the cotton fibers. This sounds like a pile of ... misinformation. Really, it's a yes and no thing. Cotton's fibers are short, so it handles wear differently than linen. It will wear out faster, for one thing. The only thing I can think of that would be specifically injurious to cotton about wool is that wool is (very) slightly acidic, and is resistant to acidic environments. The human body is an acidic environment. Cotton clothes usually last as long as they do precisely because we wash them and remove the acidic sweat (and any sharp-edged dust particles) before it has a chance to do serious damage. My guess, without being able to look at the garment to see where the damage is, is that the cotton simply dissolved after long exposure to sweat vapor from being worn. The linen may simply be in the wrong place to have had enough contact to cause visible damage - I'm guessing that the cotton was used to line the sleeves and upper back. Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 14:43:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29813 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:43:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VKKAF05680; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:20:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VKK0e17002; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VKJUe16754 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:19:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([213.107.35.219]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020131201935.CSRE7206.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:19:35 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] First few pictures of Teddy's Coronation Message-ID: <3C59A6DC.5156.4251B1@localhost> Priority: normal References: <200201301902.g0UJ2Xe17255@net.indra.com> In-reply-to: <29B2A90675C@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:19:40 -0000 Status: RO On 31 Jan 2002 at 16:09, Teddy wrote: > Hey Jane! > When did you subscribe to h-costume? About a week ago, I think. Various people, including you and Marion, kept recommending it. I'm mainly lurking and learning and being impressed. > BTW, folks, Jane's in some of the pictures too - look in the crowd > around me on the throne. On the extreme RH edge of a few, I think. I've got a web page about how I tried to make it, mainly so Teddy could look and advise, I'll have to bring it up to date with the finished article. > The Coronation feast on Saturday night was sumptuous and superb. Even the few bits of it cooked by me :) No, I did about half the cooking and all the planning. If you want to know things about medieval food, I'll try to help. That's the area where I sometimes know what I'm on about. On costuming matters, I'll carry on lurking. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 14:44:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29817 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:44:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VKKVF05740; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:20:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VKKMe17198; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:20:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VKJUe16755 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:19:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0VKL2g36764 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:21:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200201312021.g0VKL2g36764@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings] In-Reply-To: <3C597B1C.5DBF6F49@flash.net> "from Charlene Charette at Jan 31, 2002 11:13:00 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:21:02 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I know it from North Carolina and 'wonky' is certainly in heavy use in California. .heather.meadows. > Heather wrote: > > > OOC, where in the US is it used? I've only heard it said by people from the > > UK as far as I can remember. > > Moira > > I was raised in South Carolina and have lived in Maine and Texas. Not > sure where I picked it up. My friends in Texas know the term. > > --Charlene > > -- > A house without books is like a room without windows. -- Horace Mann > ===== > Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - > mailto:findbook@flash.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 15:06:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30204 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:06:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VKh9F08232; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:43:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VKh1e29765; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20410.mail.yahoo.com (web20410.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.129]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0VKgRe29414 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:42:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020131204232.48717.qmail@web20410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:42:32 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings] To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200201312021.g0VKL2g36764@jabberwock.wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:42:32 -0800 (PST) Status: RO And I've heard and used it in the Midwest. -Angela --- Heather Meadows wrote: > I know it from North Carolina and 'wonky' is > certainly in heavy use in California. > > .heather.meadows. > > > > Heather wrote: > > > > > OOC, where in the US is it used? I've only > heard it said by people from the > > > UK as far as I can remember. > > > Moira > > > > I was raised in South Carolina and have lived in > Maine and Texas. Not > > sure where I picked it up. My friends in Texas > know the term. > > > > --Charlene > > > > -- > > A house without books is like a room without > windows. -- Horace Mann > > ===== > > Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, > foreign, used, new) - > > mailto:findbook@flash.net > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 15:07:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30214 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:07:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VKg9F08023; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:42:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VKg1e29109; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20306.mail.yahoo.com (web20306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0VKfge28925 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:41:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020131204148.50723.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.111.163] by web20306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:41:48 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings] To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200201312021.g0VKL2g36764@jabberwock.wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:41:48 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Heather Meadows wrote: > I know it from North Carolina and 'wonky' is > certainly in heavy use in California. It is????? Joan Hall (born & raised in California) "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. But if this is tea, why then please bring me some coffee." --Abraham Lincoln, to a waitress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 15:10:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30275 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:10:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VKlNF08729; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:47:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VKl9e02348; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:47:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VKkRe01942 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:46:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020131204628.FYHP10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:46:28 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings] Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c67acef.304042029@mail.attbi.com> References: <20020131204148.50723.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020131204148.50723.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0VKkRe01942 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:46:41 GMT Status: RO On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:41:48 -0800 (PST), the following was written in this electric book by Joan Garner : > >--- Heather Meadows wrote: >> I know it from North Carolina and 'wonky' is >> certainly in heavy use in California. > >It is????? Yes, in the SF bay area, for certain. Mostly among 20- and 30-somethings raised on PBS, though. Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 15:21:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30425 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:21:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VKuAF09755; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:56:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VKu1e07002; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VKtce06775 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:55:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-103.frys.com [66.121.20.103]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0VKtog03350 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:55:50 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020131124520.00d29cb0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British In-Reply-To: <29A9F27256D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200201220434.g0M4Y5T06786@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:55:26 -0800 Status: RO >So I >can happily accept that food tastes different to particular people at >different times of day. Some people think my fondness for re- >heated left-over beef-curry sandwitches for breakfast is peculiar, >but would happily help me eat them at lunch or supper time, others >would happily join me eating them at breakfast, others refuse to >have anything to do with them at any time even if they ordinarily >*like* curry. Leftover cold pizza is the BEST breakfast. I had cravings for it when I was pregnant, but nobody noticed because I always used to have cravings for it and still do. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 15:40:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30667 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:40:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VLH9F12453; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:17:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VLH0e18853; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VLGQe18538 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:16:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.17c.2f3c521 (4322) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:16:22 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <17c.2f3c521.298b0e23@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:16:19 EST Status: RO In a message dated 31/1/02 1:36:30 PM, moirabeaneoin@prodigy.net writes: << peanut butter and banana sandwich >> The ones that always (excuse the phrasing) seems to gross people out the most are peanut butter and cheese or peanut butter and onion (thin slices of Bermuda or a flat huge purple onion). Either one of which is yummy. Obligitory costume content so people don't kick us onto the cooking list, just put 9 yards of lovely trim around the hem of a slate moire Tudor and now my hubby's bothering me for a tunic with the trim on it. I'm only waiting to see how far up the nice list he can get before this weekend. hmmmmm is that extortion or blackmail? Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 15:42:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30692 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:42:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VLI9F12614; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:18:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VLI1e19459; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VLHfe19250 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:17:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.75]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020131211747.SQUP27436.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:17:47 -0600 Message-ID: <3C59B42C.9090308@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British References: <66.1b4054df.298ad350@aol.com> <007801c1aa8e$c3f250c0$31882d41@ccc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:16:28 -0600 Status: RO I wish I could handle bananas...my dad on the other hand is quiet fond of Peanut Butter/banana/mayonase sandwiches. *Cring/gag* Katie Heather wrote: > MMMM, even better than peanut butter and banana sandwich! > Moira > who grew up hating pb&j, but loves plain peanut butter sandwiches. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 15:46:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30741 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:46:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0VLN9F13246; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:23:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VLN1e22425; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VLMce22161 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:22:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.75]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020131212244.SUEG27436.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:22:44 -0600 Message-ID: <3C59B556.9010108@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British References: <200201220434.g0M4Y5T06786@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020131124520.00d29cb0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:21:26 -0600 Status: RO *snickers* My cravings where: Hot Dogs from "The Great American Hot Dog Company" (I lived in Huntington Beach CA at the time), and fudge bars (ice cream) with a side of pickled jalapenos. Slight variation of "pickles and ice cream", but it countes! *ROFL* Katie Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > > Leftover cold pizza is the BEST breakfast. I had cravings for it when I > was pregnant, but nobody noticed because I always used to have cravings > for it and still do. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 18:53:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00809 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:53:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g110ToF05639; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:29:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g110RZe23044; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:27:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VNvVe10922 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:59:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16WQer-0004rf-01 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:30:21 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20020131204148.50723.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:33:29 -0500 Status: RO My husband is from Toronto and uses the phrase often. I am from Pittsburgh, PA and never heard it until I met my husband. -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Joan Garner Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:42 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings] --- Heather Meadows wrote: > I know it from North Carolina and 'wonky' is > certainly in heavy use in California. It is????? Joan Hall (born & raised in California) "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. But if this is tea, why then please bring me some coffee." --Abraham Lincoln, to a waitress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 20:47:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01620 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:47:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g112OBF13934; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:24:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g112O1A07718; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g112NUA07537 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:23:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01747 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p18.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.146]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA22378 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:23:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown In-Reply-To: <00d001c1a8ff$3dd23e00$4dcaf1c3@henk> References: <20020128212214.67379.qmail@earthlink.net> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> <024301c1a84f$2e76b9a0$31c5fea9@ed.unr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:31:54 -0500 Status: RO
Henk wrote:
What strikes me the most, however, after having seen the whole line-up of the West-Kingdom's 12th Night revels, is that all you people look so 'terribly' <g> American. I honestly don't know if it's the faces, the hair or what, but I could not ever confuse you guys with anybody else but US citizens. Ant ideas why this is, List?
I think it's the hairstyles, and the makeup on the women.  I can usually tell if I'm looking at American or British (or other European) TV, even with the sound off, just from the hairstyles and makeup, though the clothing is often a clue, too.

-- Mara


_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 20:51:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01655 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:51:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g112ScF14309; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:28:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g112SbA09330; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:28:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g112NWA07555 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:23:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01753 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p18.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.146]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA22385 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:23:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley In-Reply-To: <200201292032.MAA01497@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:35:43 -0500 Status: RO (snort) Exactly! There was a humor thing going around a while ago about how you can tell someone is a pagan; one of the clues is the tons of bad silver jewelry. Guess the same thing applies to Goths. "Let's be different from everyone else, and all look alike." Do Goths ever outgrow that look? What happens to ex-Goths? I know what happens to ex-Punks, since I have a few friends who were punks as teens, but... -- Mara At 12:32 PM 01/29/2002 -0800, you wrote: >The original "look" ends up being similar to the original >descriptions of Magrat Garlick in _Weird Sisters_. > >Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 20:56:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01701 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:56:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g112X3F14694; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:33:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g112X2A10644; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g112NbA07599 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:23:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01767 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p18.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.146]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA22399 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:23:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202010223.VAA22399@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket In-Reply-To: <024401c1aa43$d1656b20$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:24:03 -0500 Status: RO Thanks! Yes, I love the style of the back, too. I'm gonna have to make another one in linen for summer wear... and am making up a man's justaucorps for my hubby. I've thought about making one for myself, too... Would need to re-draft it, of course. I have some dark blue melton that I'm going to make up as a lady's riding habit jacket, one of these years. -- Mara At 05:41 AM 01/31/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Oh, Mara, I love the back of the jacket!!! I found your original message. > >I was thinking last night that I would love a men's justaucorp coat to wear >for everyday. I just love that style. > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 21:01:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01752 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:01:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g112c3F15022; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:38:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g112c2A12105; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:38:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g112THA09533 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:29:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25359 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:45:47 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Edge finishing, 11th-12th c.? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:45:47 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Can anyone point me to any solid evidence of stitches/methods used to finish edges of wool garments in late 11th or 12th century Norman (French/English) clothing? I'd be interested in any archaeological data that comes close to this place and time. I feel pretty secure on the range of methods for 14th century, but that's primarily from the Museum of London book and other sources that don't reach back to 11th/12th, IIRC. So, I don't know if (for example) turning once and binding with a strip of silk would be appropriate; I suspect not, primarily because silk was less commonly available then compared with later. Also, the earlier garments were likely not lined, whereas lining was much more likely to be the norm for body garments in the 14th c., and that affects edge finishes too. The St. Louis shirt is closer in time, but it's linen (and God knows I could never replicate the bound seams I saw on the garment ... incredibly fine work). The wool is well-fulled and does not tend to fray. My inclination is to fold the edge over once and do a running stitch and/or a widely spaced buttonhole stitch (hmm, is that called blanket stitch? I forget). For seams throughout the body, I am just opening and doing a running stitch parallel to the seam line to hold the seam allowances down on either side. But I'm stumped for neck and cuff edges. I'm sure there's something out there giving us hints on edge finishes for this period, but I don't know where to put my hands on it right off. Many thanks to anyone with a clue. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 21:25:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01968 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:25:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11322F16709; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11321A20185; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1131PA19984 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:01:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25541 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:17:57 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:17:57 -0600 (CST) Status: RO > Henk wrote: > > What strikes me the most, however, > after having seen the whole line-up > of the West-Kingdom's 12th Night > revels, is that all you people look > so 'terribly' American. I > honestly don't know if it's the > faces, the hair or what, but I could > not ever confuse you guys with > anybody else but US citizens. Ant > ideas why this is, List? Mara replied: > I think it's the hairstyles, and the makeup on > the women. I can usually tell if I'm looking at > American or British (or other European) TV, even > with the sound off, just from the hairstyles and > makeup, though the clothing is often a clue, too. In addition to the above, I think much has to do with ethnic type, which affects facial shape, body shape, coloring, and much more. America is a hodgepodge of ethnic types; you get some people who have the distinct look of some particular heritage, but the range of heritages is vast, and on top of that there's a lot of mixing. By comparison, European populations are more homogeneous. I am not saying there is no variation and no mixing, but there is a typical visual "look" for many nationalities that is missing among Americans. So, when a European looks at a group of Americans, the heterogeneity of the group can be enough to make the group look non-European -- but because there isn't a specific characteristic in common, the difference is hard to put a finger on. Another factor -- and I'm guessing here, not having looked over the site myself -- may be weight or body size. In traveling (and shopping!) in Europe, I have often been struck by the overall smaller body size of Europeans and the relative rareness of overweight. Americans seem to have a larger proportion of larger people, and the difference is evident in degree as well as number. For no clear reason (and I do not wish to speculate), I have found this particularly apparent in the SCA (and in certain similar groups, such as American sf fandom). I've had to take this into account as I teach costuming, since most medieval constructions were designed around the assumption of a generally slimmer body size and smaller bone structure. For instance, if you want to use period fabric widths, you'll run into trouble if your body is too wide for that fabric width to accommodate in the traditional number of panels. And some fitting methods that work just fine with a medievally average-sized woman don't work on large women. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 21:39:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02044 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:39:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g113G2F17723; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g113G1A24837; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g113FTA24684 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:15:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A849BCD02B2; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:15:21 -0600 Message-ID: <007e01c1aace$850ea940$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200202010223.VAA22399@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:14:07 -0500 Status: RO Hey, Mara... lets start a new fashion craze with the justaucorp coat! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 23:02:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02758 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:02:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g114d3F22281; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:39:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g114d0A18374; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f128.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.128]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g114cYA18249 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:38:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:38:30 -0800 Received: from 192.207.156.55 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 04:38:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [192.207.156.55] From: "Massaria dC" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 04:38:30.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C400120:01C1AADA] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 04:38:29 +0000 Status: RO >Guess the same thing applies to Goths. "Let's be different from >everyone >else, and all look alike." Goths are well aware of this part of there subculture, at least the ones who don't take it too seriously. >Do Goths ever outgrow that look? What happens >to ex-Goths? I am an "ex-goth", though I still have blue hair even now, I don't dress as a goth any more. All my friends are pretty much now ex-goths as well, in that they don't really dress as goths anymore. However, even though all the make-up is gone, and the jewellery that you describe, most of us still have a wardrobe of black, burgundy and purple. One of my ex-boyfriends still goes to clubs but he got himself a t-shirt which has SOG on the front standing for "Sad Old Goth" as this pretty much how he views still being a goth in your 30's Having said this I know people in their late 40's who still dress as goths, but most people tend to stop in my experience. Massaria Or were you talking about people who dress in furs and horns trying to recreate the original Goths of late antiquity? - I know a few of them too, who also "grew-up" and stopped dressing that way ;-} _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 23:31:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03047 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:31:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11582F23839; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11580A26027; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1157fA25938 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:07:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-39-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.39]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g1157fN99692 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:07:41 -0500 Message-ID: <005301c1aadf$21d7bc20$27882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <200201312021.g0VKL2g36764@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:13:05 -0500 Status: RO Okay, I stand corrected now. ;-) Moira ----- > I know it from North Carolina and 'wonky' is certainly in heavy use in California. > > .heather.meadows. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 23:36:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03115 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:36:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g115D3F24082; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g115D1A27283; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g115C9A27058 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:12:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-39-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.39]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g115C9N174990 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:12:09 -0500 Message-ID: <006b01c1aadf$c1aaa6e0$27882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <200201220434.g0M4Y5T06786@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020131124520.00d29cb0@mail.frys.com> <3C59B556.9010108@tds.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:17:33 -0500 Status: RO always better than a twinkie-weiner sandwich. ;-} Moira who knew someone who only ate peanut butter and mustard sandwiches.;-p > *snickers* My cravings where: Hot Dogs from "The Great American > Hot Dog Company" (I lived in Huntington Beach CA at the time), > and fudge bars (ice cream) with a side of pickled jalapenos. > Slight variation of "pickles and ice cream", but it countes! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 00:31:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03716 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:31:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11683F26976; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11680A12399; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1167oA12349 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:07:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-69.frys.com [66.121.20.69]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1167ug17097 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:07:56 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020131174625.00d7e100@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British In-Reply-To: <3C59B556.9010108@tds.net> References: <200201220434.g0M4Y5T06786@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020131124520.00d29cb0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:56:39 -0800 Status: RO Oops - forgot the costume content: When I was a couple of days before my older daughter's due date, I went dancing. I wore one of those 1801-ish high waisted things, engineered so that I didn't look pregnant, only very large. I managed to get the skirt to hang straight down the front over the kid inside, without bulging. I think we went out for pizza just beforehand, so I was able to have cold pizza for breakfast the next day. An odd thing happens to some women just about a week before the baby arrives - they get a house-cleaning fit. I think it has something to do with a nesting impulse. Anyway, about a week before the aforementioned kid was actually born I had the earth-shattering thought that the kid didn't have anything to wear for Ren. Faire (clean house? Me??). So I spent the next few days feverishly sewing Ren-baby clothes (cap, shoes, shirt, and Ren. over-gown with leading strings). The kid was 4 days late from her official due date. >*snickers* My cravings where: Hot Dogs from "The Great American >Hot Dog Company" (I lived in Huntington Beach CA at the time), >and fudge bars (ice cream) with a side of pickled jalapenos. >Slight variation of "pickles and ice cream", but it countes! > >*ROFL* >Katie > >Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> >>Leftover cold pizza is the BEST breakfast. I had cravings for it when I >>was pregnant, but nobody noticed because I always used to have cravings >>for it and still do. > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 00:49:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03826 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:49:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g116Q4F27597; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:26:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g116Q1A16811; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g116MAA15705 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:22:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-33qtnmr.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.222.219] helo=[209.86.9.174]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WX5C-0006Bo-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 01:22:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:42:52 -0800 Status: RO At 8:35 AM -0500 1/30/02, Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: >Do Goths ever outgrow that look? What happens >to ex-Goths? I know what happens to ex-Punks, since I have a few friends >who were punks as teens, but... I overheard someone talking not too long ago about a Goth couple who had just had their first baby and had asked [whoever was talking] about making them some baby clothes. In black. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 01:12:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04050 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:12:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g116nJF28557; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:49:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g116nGA22758; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:49:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g116gQA21323 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:42:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-141.frys.com [66.121.20.141]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g116gWg17960 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:42:33 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020131223701.00c48e40@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:37:57 -0800 Status: RO >Or were you talking about people who dress in furs and horns trying to >recreate the original Goths of late antiquity? - I know a few of them too, >who also "grew-up" and stopped dressing that way ;-} Oh, you mean the bunny-fur Barbarians, of the 'two frightened squirrels' school of costuming? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 01:29:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04130 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:29:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1176SF29212; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:06:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1176PA26364; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:06:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g116xlA24874 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:59:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-155.frys.com [66.121.20.155]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g116xtg18349 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:59:55 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020131225410.00dcd2e0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: wearing black (was Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:58:34 -0800 Status: RO >>Do Goths ever outgrow that look? What happens >>to ex-Goths? I know what happens to ex-Punks, since I have a few friends >>who were punks as teens, but... > >I overheard someone talking not too long ago about a Goth couple who had >just had their first baby and had asked [whoever was talking] about making >them some baby clothes. In black. I am not a Goth, nor are my kids, but one of them has always liked black as her favourite colour - since she was only a few years old. Black - it's not just for Mourning anymore. OCC: What colour is for mourning these days, since Goths and Punks use black for everyday-wear? When did black become OK to wear during the day? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
----- Original Message ---= --
From: Stephen Bergdahl
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 1:30 PM
To: h-costume@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] giving up making costumes
&n= bsp;
Bjarne

I know how you feel and to be flip, "Been there g= ot the T-shirt!"  The
number of times I have worked myself to dea= th for someone else and all
the do is complain is too many to count.&n= bsp; I love to sew and now I sew
only for myself, my wife and my son.&= nbsp; Any paid job I take they are
informed right from the start that = I am a pain in the ass, and not
cheap.  But they will be happy wi= th what I make.  I have gotten good at
spotting trouble makers an= d they are cut off without a backwards
glance.  Take a break, tea= ch your lace classes, get your own wardrobe up
to snuff and in a year = or so things will look different.  But trust me
this list will al= ways be the richer for having you as part of it.

Stephen
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, = 2002 3:57 PM
Subject: [h-cost] masked ball costume

Greetings,
 
For anybody in the Portland area, there is going = to be a masked ball at the Art Museum.  Since I have never been so brave = as to go there, what recommendations does anybody have for myself and my spouse = to wear?  I probably would need to make these costumes myself (Value = Village curtains here I come). 
 
Are these supposed to be masks that are affixed = with elastic things or those carry-on-a-stick variety? 
 
ANY HELP? 
 
Thanks,
 
Sidne/
In the SCA, Estrelda =